From sfraves-return-70236-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:08:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84498 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 02:41:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84484 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 02:41:51 -0000 Message-ID: <018201c11bc5$1fb77ab0$4403de9e@chrisw> From: "daWeasel" To: , References: <20010803002913.A72693ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:36:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Free 2 Night / 2 Day Campout this weekend near Mono Lake Dont drink the water you will get MONO! Weasel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deepak Jagannath" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: [sfraves] Free 2 Night / 2 Day Campout this weekend near Mono Lake > My friend is going to spin there.. i'll be attending also. There are 5 paid djs.. and they will let other djs have free spin time. > > August 3rd(fri. full moon too!), 4th(sat.), and 5th(sun.), two days and two nights of straight up MUSIC, PEOPLE and FUN as the underground world brings to you a FREE 48 HOUR RAVE, at a NEW, NEVER USED outdoor location in tha SIERRA'S (You dont get night sky's, stars, and fresh air like this in the city), in Mono county near Mono Lake (BIG ASS LAKE.) With all kinds of visual stimulation created by Mother Earth and by her Human Beings (us).So dont forget your camping gear. With vendors, music, people, and FREE spin time for all you D.J.'s out there, it promises to be a wonderfull time. TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW. WE HAVE *UNLIMITED* SPACE. Info:760-937-1491 > > dee > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70234-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:08:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38102 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 01:27:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38091 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 01:27:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.158] From: "innocentchild" To: "innocentchild" , References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:25:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 01:26:36.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[569D53B0:01C11BBB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] mopsy.flopsy.turns.two.two! doh! make that TWO.THREE! i need food. brain no function but what else is new in the werld of sfr?? =P ----- Original Message ----- From: "innocentchild" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: [sfraves] mopsy.flopsy.turns.two.two! Big birthday hugz and plurz from bAmMbAmM to the other august bday member of AEC! LiL-bUn-E-FoOFoO happy pwurday! In all seriousness or lack there of, have a great birthday Jason =) pwur bAmMbAmM innocentchild ryan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70167-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:09:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86853 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 17:45:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86840 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:45:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:44:49 EDT From: DJryanbazeley@aol.com To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP - New Saturday 18+ Club This Saturday, August 4th, is opening night for SFs newest 18+ club - Amsterdam. Amsterdam will feature funky, tribal and progressive house delivered by DJs Blackstone (Faith, Tarantic Records) and Ryan Bazeley (Blue, Future Fridays). The crowd will be mixed ... gay/bi and str8 people who like good music =) Amsterdam will take place in the sub-level of Maritime Hall (at 1st and Harrison) and goes 9pm-2am. $10 before 10 (with flyer) and $15 after. Here's a link to more info: http://www.globalparty.com/globalparty/present/amsterdam.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70102-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:10:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16371 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 22:47:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16354 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 22:47:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: Augie Dogg cc: , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Augie Dogg wrote: -&e->the cancellation of creamfields really sucks. i was really looking forward -&e->to this event in las vegas! ah, the crackdown on dance culture continues.... -&e-> -&e->augie Whoa!? How is a money making enterprise backing out of something because it won't be as profitable as they had hoped 'crackdown on dance culture'. The problem starts and ends with the fact that something like Creamfield's or Area1 is not a rave, and while it's somewhat representative of dance culture because it features 'dance music artists', it is not the end all be all of what it is we do. I honestly think we're gonna keep getting fisted in the ass as long as we can't tell the difference between the real deal and the corporate knockoffs. We spend far too much time crying around here for fallen soldiers who aren't on our side... people who I've refer to ravers as "kids", "headcount", "patrons", "draw", etc. The scene is only going to improve as large events with the sole intentions of cashing in on something that's not there continue to fail. The music is important, but just like seeing the Other Ones at Shoreline is hardly the same as a Be-In or 60s Acid Test, the true rave is a community effort rendered not from investors and a stunning lineup but rather the unique energy that is present when grassroots enthusiasm takes hold at a community scale. Rave started as a 'fuck you' to the stupidity and emotional sterility of arena rock and the absence of a true community experience in our culture, yet we're getting all sad that it's failed to become it? Um... You want a safe and predictable place to swing your glosticks, go see Oakie at Shoreline... but that's not what I'm in it for. The scene is not about the cost of admission, or VIP passes, or superstars and sponsors. It is about this being something we can all do, a place to share everything we are, something we can all experience without having to buy into anything but a couple beliefs and maybe lugging a few speakers across a field and pitching in for a generator and some water. The underground is the energy and love of a house party on a larger scale. A feast of friends, tuned to music, celebrating through the swinging of arms and shaking of asses and quiet trusting conversations between sweaty people about hope, reality and the future. Those still happen, but we've got way to many jackasses in the mix trying to make a dime off it and trying to put a price on PLUR or whatever the fuck it is we're supposed to be missing that they will provide us if we just pay the X amount of greenbacks for the ticket. Consumerism is the belief that the consumer lacks something that the company can provide in exchange for money. Rave is the belief that we aren't lacking anything as individuals, that we've got energy and love to give and being together takes us to a greater whole - a collective consciousness that has existed through human time (mysteries, shamanism, religion, community dance, etc) in every thriving culture throughout history. These are mutually exclusive, and cannot be merged without significant compromise. How many times do we have to be promised the best vibe, get duped into paying for DJs that we'll never see, pay $2 for water that costs < 0.25 just because you're a captive audience in an underventilated space, or presales for events that might not happen before we realize it's not about what's promised but about what's delivered? andyw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70247-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:12:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93117 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 12:12:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93107 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 12:12:15 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:12:15 -0700 (PDT) From: julie ranoa To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: HuLaGirLJuLiE@hawaiicity.com X-Originating-Ip: [24.221.161.16] Message-Id: <20010803121215.35455274E@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ~~SuNdAnCe~~ hey guys! i told Mike I would promote up on the internet, so here it is...Sundance! =) =) looks like a FUN party, so go!! here's the info.... ** Tektite productions presents... SUnDanCe ** Sunbeam, Tracer, Dyloot, Tom Slik, Denise, and more... the info. line is : 415-522-9543 happenning Friday, August 10th ... The sundance has been a celebration of high summer since ancient times .coinciding with the meteor showers this festival honors summer and the bastet.the cat goddess Bastet is the ruler of the underworld and the patron of music, food , and dance.come join us as we rediscover an ancient tradition we call The Sundance ..... so come out, get down, and celebrate!! 0 _____________________________________________________________ Get your FREE 20mb Hawaii website, Free Hawaii email address, Hawaii weather & news, free contest, discount Hawaiian Jewelry, gifts, car rentals, hotels and airline tickets...http://www.hawaiicity.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70127-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:12:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33495 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 02:59:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33485 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 02:59:50 -0000 From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Message-ID: <115.29010a5.289a1c01@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:59:13 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Question # 1: Should promoters advertize more to an older crowd? Probably a lot of people didn't read my post about older people at raves because it was too hella long for them to take the time to read (as usual!). But I though I brought up some important issues and questions, and I want to stir up a discussion about these issues and get people's opinions on some questions I asked. So here is question # 1. Please don't flame. Disagree, but be respectful of other people's opinion even if you don't agree with it. Should promoters direct the advertising of their parties more to an older crowd and less to young kids, IM talking mainly about high schoolers and underaged kids? I'll ask question # 2 tomorrow. Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70216-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:13:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14201 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:52:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14191 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:52:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: snowhuoue@mindspring.com, netserf@kapu.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:51:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 22:51:40.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1A9BED0:01C11BA5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com >I figure we have two choices. We can complain about commercialization while waiting patiently for that loud flushing noise or we can resolve to keep the ug alive somewhere under the commercialized veneer. i'd submit that one doesn't have to exclude the other...in fact, IMO they're opposite ends of the same stick. to support the UG entails--at least to some extent--choosing it over the mainstream, doesn't it? >If we should learn something from the past it's that we can't stop the >commercialization. see, that's where i disagree...to say "we can't stop it" is awfully close to saying "surrender to it." and there are--still--underground scenes and bands (Fugazi being one shining example) who have, as the saying goes, "kept it real." however, to do that requires willfully refusing and avoiding all the little goodies that the Big Music Business uses to convince respected artists (and their audiences) that, say, using their song in that bank ad isn't *really* "selling out." >Maybe vix is saying we have learned that and we aren't going to let history >repeat itself. perhaps. my disagreement there, as already noted, is that despite all the words, what i'm actually seeing appears to contradict this...and that history may well be repeating itself (as it tends to do without conscious effort to change direction). --hb --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70188-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:13:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21503 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:58:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21492 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:58:55 -0000 From: Megatron45@aol.com Message-ID: <89.a2d9bf5.289b0af7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:58:47 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_89.a2d9bf5.289b0af7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr...groundscore @ great america friday --part1_89.a2d9bf5.289b0af7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit roll call... whose all goin? i'll be there along with my homegurl christle and my cousin. its gonna be a great day for all the junglists tomarrow. cant wait to check out the stealth. thaMEGATRON --part1_89.a2d9bf5.289b0af7_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70075-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:15:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94460 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 17:34:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94436 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 17:34:14 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:35:00 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves CC: sacraves , fresnoraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3079506900_443493" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Future Schedule! (bsp) --B_3079506900_443493 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Come out and support! Here's what we have going on at Future for the next few weeks....... ----------------- Friday, August 3rd G I A N N I M O R G A N ----------------- Friday, August 10th T H O M A S T R O U B L E U P H O N I C ----------------- Friday, August 17th An Evening Presented by.... I L O V E R A V I N G featuring.... A L A I N O C T A V O D J T R O N I C N E U R O P S Y N T I S T B E N H A U S A R T H U R W O O ----------------- Friday, August 24th =AD Special Event - $15 all night N V P 6 Y E A R A N N I V E R S A R Y featuring.... G I A N N I S A H I D A L A I N O C T A V O ----------------- Friday, August 31st O F F I C I A L M E G G A =AD B U Z Z Pre-Party Celebration... Stay Tuned for Line-up... Coming Soon........ D O R A N (Crush Recordings, Los Angeles) P H I L S M A R T (Reachin=B9 Records, Australia) B R I A N S T I L L W A T E R (Undercurrent UK, Stellar Recordings) S T E V E P O R T E R (Fade, Hooj Choons, Lost Language Recordings) D : F U S E (Virgin, Perfecto, Niche, Funked Up Recordings) J A M E S N I C H E (Owner of Niche Recordings UK) oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I N T H E F U L L - B A R L O U N G E . . . . ::::::::: T H E I N D U S T R Y L O U N G E :::::::::: featuring... J O E L A N Z O N + special guest.... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D F U T U R E 375 First Street & Harrison in SF 18 & Over with valid ID Full-Bar Lounge for 21 and up! 9 pm - 2 am $10 before 10 pm (excluding special events) $15 after 10 pm For more info, please call 415.281.0866 or http://www.globalparty.com --B_3079506900_443493-- From sfraves-return-70240-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15884 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 04:02:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15873 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 04:02:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.6.201] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 04:01:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 04:01:41.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[00C4D920:01C11BD1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] My Daughter, Daft Punk and Anime? I've seen the Anime video, very cool video. And after a trip to victoriasecret.com, I've now seen the Victoria Secret commercial. But has anyone seen...the singing Daft Punk fish? It's just like the Boogie Bass but it wears a leather jacket, retro shades, and when you hit the button, guess what? It sings the chorus from One More Time! It's true, it's damn true. And it's available at a store called 'Things That Make You Go Hmmmm' in Portland, Oregon...at least that's the only place I've seen it. RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "No matter what stage a person is at in life, one thing must remain constant in order to achieve and retain happiness: HAVING FUN!" >From: "DFD.07 o0][0][0o" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] My Daughter, Daft Punk and Anime? >Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:07:15 +0000 > >I just got done seeing a Victoria's secret commercial w/Daft's "One More >Time" and immediately thought, "damn those guys must be making some >scrill!". > >No hating here. The commercial was entertaining :) > > >>From: Jamie Murray > >>O.k. So my five year old daughter is checking out >>cartoon network today and i hear daft punk begin to >>play "One More Time" I look over to her and there it >>is, Daft Punk with an anime video for One more time. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70128-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:17:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37336 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 03:04:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37326 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 03:04:48 -0000 Message-ID: <027901c12791$e7c0d4c0$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "The_List" Cc: , , Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:00:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0276_01C12757.3A87C960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TECHNIC 1200 mk's ferr sale ------=_NextPart_000_0276_01C12757.3A87C960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want diffirent tables, and I'm tired of the same thing for more = than a wee bit so, I don't want my tables no more. . .=20 Pretty much perfect condition, a scuff, on the corrner of one, and = one cover has 1 scratch. . . no labels peeling, or any of that, I always = took great care of em, never used the covers. They're the euro version = with the voltage switch under the platter. I still have most of the = original packing materials, I might have the books, and I have one of = the boxes. I have either stanton 500 carts, or Brand new Ortofon DJ E carts = (used like 5x, still have new extra needles). $865.0 + shipping with the stanton carts $1,050.0 + shipping with ortofons hell I can even throw in a 2" disco ball =20 and they come with those red felt matts I think shipping when I bought them was like $80 for both, depends on = 2nd day etc. . .=20 Let me know if you're interested, email Aryck@GrooveFactoryPro.com tanksssss : ) aryck ------=_NextPart_000_0276_01C12757.3A87C960-- From sfraves-return-70147-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:18:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43527 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 06:16:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43516 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 06:16:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.100.200] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:16:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 06:16:20.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[A583C320:01C11B1A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Supernova 001 available @Skills in Berkeley and SSU in Sac! BSP Hey to all the Hardcore/Happy Hardcore/Freeform DJs/Listeners/Fans out there! Just wanted to let ya know our label.. Supernova Recordings.. based in San Francisco, CA.. have released our first record! Titled "Check This Out" It was produced by Cloudskipper and Sketchy.. with a remix on the flip by myself-DJ Tronic! We realize some of you have been looking for this release.. and I have been informed that Skills in Berkeley is now carrying Supernova 001 and Subsonic Underground in Sacramento also has copies! To any who decide to pick this up.. we appreciate the support of US produced Hardcore/Happy Hardcore! Enjoy the release and look for many more to come at ya soon! For any more information on Supernova Recordings.. check out http://www.supernovarecordings.com Thanks again! Andy Tronic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70146-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:18:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37518 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 06:05:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37503 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 06:05:12 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:06:00 -0800 From: MODA To: Kenneth Bice , sfraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? note: No offence to Mystical Mayhem intended....8) MODA On 8/1/01 10:06 PM, "MODA" wrote: > ...or the person who put the Mystical Mayhem sticker on the inside of the > toilet seat at Happy Dognuts. I was extremely careful not to aim at > it.......;) MODA >=20 > On 8/1/01 3:34 PM, "Kenneth Bice" wrote: >=20 >> okay so check it, >>=20 >> im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" >> last night and on one of the light poles in the >> parking lot i see to small posters taped there... >> one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you >> this was a light pole towards the back of the >> parking lot and they were almost covered up by >> trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off >> for a bit and then left... but i was wondering >> who was the brilliant person who put them there? >> anyone have any clues? >>=20 >> laterz, >>=20 >> kenneth >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D T R A N C E F U S I O N M U S I C 1809 Gouldin Road =80 Oakland =80 CA =80 94611 PH. (415) 215-1612 FAX (510) 339-3887 http://www.trancefusion.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70196-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:18:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17898 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 21:31:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17887 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 21:31:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: netserf@kapu.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:31:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 21:31:27.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C832E90:01C11B9A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com >Bob, I so disagree with you, especially about the nature of change and the >likelihood of change always playing out in the direction of negative. again, you're responding to an argument i neither made nor implied. it's not that *any* change is bad, or that "change always play(s) out in the direction of negative"...it's that *this particular* change/trend-line of increasing commerciality has a long, ugly track record of negatively effecting subcultures which is clear, obvious, and invariably negative. of course, if you have examples or illustrations of any way in which commercialization *aided* Beat, hippie, pre-disco clubbing, or any of the other subcultures noted earlier--other than by enriching artists, promoters, and other content providers at the expense of the punters--i'm sure they would be interesting...if only for their rarity. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70217-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:19:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20580 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:57:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20570 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:57:48 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: souperfly@hotmail.com, baronvonvarady@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:57:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 22:57:21.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CCF3540:01C11BA6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? ><blocks away>> > >Hey, that happened to my car too and I was parked about three blocks away >from Blake's. Not only did I have three phatty fliers on my windshield, but >I had graciously accepted those same fliers from the promoters at >Blake's... what really startled me was when, after talking a fellow listizen out of a ride home from Mission Rock the other week, we got to his car and it was *festooned* with cards and flyers...literally ten or fifteen under the windshield wipers, and a similar number jammed into the space between the front drivers'-side window and the edge of the door. Duplicates, and also the same flyers that were widely available inside. at what point does "promotion" end and "littering" begin? and why would someone assume that if one card for their party didn't convince someone, six will? --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70151-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:20:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4253 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 08:47:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4243 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 08:47:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.226.220] From: "<--------- =-o --------->" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:46:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 08:46:56.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFA0AC00:01C11B2F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HEMPLIFIED any information on hemplified at all? Anyone going? If so, email me! I need to know a thing or two and possibly a ride... thanx! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70125-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:20:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28198 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 02:55:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28178 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 02:55:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.206] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:55:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 02:55:07.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[895D4110:01C11AFE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? >what djs would you like to come around to sf and would >be worth the money to hear? not locals, but national >and international? Speedy J. in my dreams... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70076-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:22:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4469 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 17:40:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4453 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 17:40:40 -0000 Message-ID: <074101c11ab1$137a4bc0$1700a8c0@c2gator> From: "thieb" To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:40:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] full moon this weekend ? this saturday is the full moon... if someone knows where is the party... i will be more than pleased to go there !!! thanks ~ced hit me up privately..... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70189-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:22:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28511 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 20:07:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28501 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 20:07:23 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010802130808.00b56360@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:08:25 -0700 To: sf From: Raver In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? adam X *cough* sarilion At 10:00 AM 8/2/2001 -0700, Piers Sutton wrote: >Josh Wink :) > >TurtleTracks > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k-boy allstar [mailto:junglejunkie1@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:00 AM > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; sacraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? > > > > > > > > J-smooth (GFS Philadelphia) Jump up > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70126-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:22:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30059 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 02:57:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30049 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 02:57:43 -0000 To: "Kenneth Bice" , "COTS" Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:56:57 -0700 From: "Scott Michael Ananos" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: darthnerd@lycos.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 64.171.12.139 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Jon the Dentist 411 SO did Jon the Dentist ONLY go on last night in Mountain View? Is there anything going on at the limelight tonight? Scottie is confused. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70145-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:23:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33401 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 05:58:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33391 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 05:58:02 -0000 Message-ID: <003201c11b17$f413ca60$59b3b018@CC229840a> From: "Funkybaby Productions" To: "sfraves" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:57:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C11ADD.4783F750" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] --=Club Orbit=-- ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C11ADD.4783F750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Everybody We now have a monthly in the city opening on August 11th Opening night will feature: In Tha Front Spun (Siesta Records) Dragn'fly (Epiphany, www.djdragnfly.com) Belfast Bill (Funkybaby, Orbit SF) dj daddy (Funkybaby, Orbit SF) In Tha Back Ariel Cybana (Dubcoast Music) Kelly Williams (Funkybaby, Orbit SF) Paul Q (Good Vibe Tribe) Raydeo (aeon.com) This club will be at the DNA Lounge on 375 eleventh street at Harrison = in San Francisco For more info call 415-512-5773 or 916-506-4600 or www.dnalounge.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C11ADD.4783F750-- From sfraves-return-70218-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:24:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26156 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 23:02:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26145 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 23:02:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802230240.84623.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tera Ball To: Kenneth Bice , COTS Cc: Chris V , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-25276122-996793360=:83553" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 --0-25276122-996793360=:83553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually YOU are an ass! You come on here trying talk shit about other people's promoting, and then get told. Everyone told you how completely wrong you were. Don't talk shit. And don't take out your problems on other people. Sorry if COTS, Coolworld, and F8 are not good enough for you. But a lot of other people like them. So shut your mouth. And on another note, the place they put up those flyers was perfect! Think about it! Right next to Shoreline. That was the exact type of people they want to promote to. Kenneth Bice wrote: your really an ass... check it though, i wouldnt set foot into cyberfest or f-8. and i will never attend another cots party because of something really really jacked one of the crew members did to me. but the bottom line is this, jsut because you promote the shit out of your party doesnt mean jack, you can put flyers on peoples cars most end up on the ground or in the trash, and just because you post flyers on light poles doesnt mean shit either. yea the word gets around but thats just the way it is... i could throw a party and have donauld glaude there, i wouldnt have to make flyers or tape them to light poles or anything of the sort, but because he would be there you know the party would sell out, its not the crazy promoting people do its the quality, reputation and talent of a party that dictates its attendence. iight im out. laterz, kenneth On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, COTS wrote: > hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer on a > taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about the > party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom > line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails keep > adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming up....keep > up the good work people.... > > i > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." > > I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two > blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby on > board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the > block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we > didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying this > was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. > Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their overzealous > "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on the > streets. > > -=Chris=- > > >From: "COTS" > >To: "Kenneth Bice" > >CC: > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters (yea > >F8 > >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's > >purpose... > > > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the > >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i > >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our meeting > >point. > > > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned parenthood, > >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... > > > > > >hahaha > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > >To: SF Raves List > >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > >okay so check it, > > > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > >last night and on one of the light poles in the > >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > >this was a light pole towards the back of the > >parking lot and they were almost covered up by > >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > >who was the brilliant person who put them there? > >anyone have any clues? > > > >laterz, > > > >kenneth > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-25276122-996793360=:83553-- From sfraves-return-70101-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:24:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90229 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 22:22:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90219 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 22:22:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: grint418@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:21:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 22:21:51.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CAE27E0:01C11AD8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com OK, let me try this one more time...there is a vast difference between "cities pulling permits" (of which there is no evidence that i know of in the Area 51, Mekka, Creamfields, *or* Cyberfest cases) or the negative effects of "media scrutinization" and the simple inability to sell sufficient tickets to make the event worthwhile for those who wish to profit from it. the last time BT--used as an example due to his headliner status on the Mekka tour--played in San Francisco, he played one night at the Warfield (capacity 2000 and change). when the DJs and/or artists who have been featured in the Mekka and Creamfields ads play here, they play, typically, at 1019, Maritime, or the Justice League (all under 1000 capacity except Maritime, which is close). even if you assume that there is NO overlap in audience between ANY of the artists featured, if you put the entire potential audience for them together, it doesn't come out to enough to fill a ballpark. they apparently did OK with the Coachella fests, but those were working in an environment with little real competition...there weren't three or four Major Corporate Massive Tours/Events also happening (Mekka, the Creamfields events, Area:One at least this year). It seems plainly obvious that the "rave" audience that now exists is simply not large enough to support enormo-dome events or major multi-city tour packages unless there is at least one act on the bill who large numbers of people want to see, or unless it's a multi-day destination "festival" like Coachella or the Detroit festival (and Detroit was free!). And regardless of the high quality of the performers, apparently BT's or Talib Kweli's audience just isn't big enough...i guess the Creamfields folks didn't have the same confidence you have in their inevitable success, but then, they're the ones with the advance-sales info. and really, the only "unfortunate" aspect i see of all this--other than the inevitable disappointment of people who were looking forward to those events--is that some of those artists, whose audience-drawing power isn't enough to even make the SF clubs or to tour nationally, just won't get heard around here for awhile. big events tend to *draw* and *create* "media scrutinization" by their very bigness and obviousness, and then, guess what? the heat is on. better, i think, to leave the stadiums to the sports teams, tractor pulls, and Limp Bizkits of the world. --hb >call it commercial failure, cities pulling permits, media scrutinization, >whatever - i'm sure that it would have been a huge success, being nearly >two months away. > >area 51, nation in LA, mekka, creamfields, its certainly unfortunate. > >-augie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70190-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:24:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31941 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 20:09:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31930 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 20:09:52 -0000 Message-ID: <00a301c11b8f$355d8840$1529d6cf@BUNNYLUSTGTS> From: "Laurence Maar \(Work\)" To: "sf" , "Raver" References: <4.3.1.0.20010802130808.00b56360@qix.netcorps.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:10:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? Thee-O. =P ----- Laurence Maar Developer, Alliance United ----- What was wrong with it? Too hot? Too sticky? Too stringy? Stick in your throat? Gotta know how to work it, baby! ;) **karen** ----- All I wanna know is where this hickey lookin thing on my thigh and the bruises on my knees came from. - Sadie ----- Enregistre ce document sur ton disque dur? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raver" To: "sf" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: RE: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? > adam X > > *cough* > > sarilion > > At 10:00 AM 8/2/2001 -0700, Piers Sutton wrote: > >Josh Wink :) > > > >TurtleTracks > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: k-boy allstar [mailto:junglejunkie1@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:00 AM > > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; sacraves@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? > > > > > > > > > > > > J-smooth (GFS Philadelphia) Jump up > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70241-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:25:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19588 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 04:10:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19518 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 04:10:07 -0000 Message-ID: <004a01c11bd2$b8839dc0$ad6ea840@hppav> From: "FoundationDnB" To: , "Sfraves@Hyperreal.Org" , Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:12:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C11B97.D31D29C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] info way before it's necessary =] ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C11B97.D31D29C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable our early notification crew relay's to you small event info way before = it's necessary....=20 coming in 44 more days friday.sept.14th.2001 (day before collosal music festival) Foundation + 916junglist present an - alcoholic - downtown - sacramento - drum n bass - ho - down serving: beer n wine for all you drunkards! $2.50 - domestic beers ( butt-wiper , etc. ) $3.00 - imports ( coronas , heini's , etc. ) $3.50 - 16oz. drafts ( guiness , sierra , newcastle , etc. ) <--- = yummy! don't ask about what kind of wines, you don't wanna know ....=20 unless you wanna dive behind the counter and dust off the bottle of '84 = Carlos Rossi Rhine! =3D]-~ *yucky* =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D your drunken selectah's -- B I L L Y L A N E .black-locust.916junlist F R O S T .black-locust.foundation N M A N w/ M C S O U L J A .argonrecords.colors W I N T E R .wardrums.static [ how many beers can you buy your favorite dj before he pukes? 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THE CANDY STAGE - All the newbies go through this stage, characterized by fuzzy pants, beads, and pacifiers 2. THE P.L.U.R. STAGE 3. THE "PHUCK TRANCE I'M INTO HOUSE STAGE" - 4. THE ANTI-CANDY STAGE 5. THE I'M A JUNGLIST NOW STAGE 6. THE E STAGE 7. THE ACID STAGE 8. THE E AND ACID STAGE 9. THE "I ONLY GO TO SMALLER PARTIES, PHUCK MASSIVES" STAGE 10. THE K STAGE 11. THE NOS STAGE 12. THE "I'M NOW A PROMOTER" STAGE - characterized by handing out flyers at parties and putting flyers on car windshields. Woo hoo such glory! 13. THE "I'M A DJ" STAGE and "I SPIN BLAH BLAH BLAH" STAGE. Add the "DJ" name in front of your online name and you're God! 14. THE "I GET INTO PARTIES FOR FREE STAGE" 15. THE "IM A SOBER RAVER NOW" STAGE 16. THE "I'M AN OLKSKOOL RAVER STAGE" 17. THE "IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DRUGS ITS ABOUT THE MUSIC STAGE" 18. THE "ALL NEWBIES SUCK" STAGE 19. THE "IT'S MY BIRTHDAY" STAGE 20. THE "CAN YOU OR ANY OF YOUR FRIENDS BUMP ME UP?!" STAGE 21. THE "I'VE FUCKIN' BEEN TO FUCKIN' JAIL EIGHT FUCKIN' TIMES AND NOW I'M A NARC" STAGE 22. THE "IF YOU'RE NOT WEARING MECCA, NAUTICA, RALPH LAUREN OR DKNY, THEN I'M NOT LOOKING AT YOU, LET ALONE TALKING TO YOU" STAGE 23. THE "I AM NOT A DJ HO" STAGE 24. THE "I AM *NOT* A RAVER, I JUST GO TO PARTIES" STAGE 25. THE I'M TOO COOL FOR RAVES BUT COULD YOU PICK ME UP SOME K? STAGE 26. THE REAL RAVES DON'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE AND THIS IS ALL A COMMERCIAL TRAP THAT YOU IDIOTS ARE FALLING FOR STAGE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phaedrus" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: [sfraves] The opinion stated herein does not necessarily reflect the views of this station. > So we live in a police state. What's new? > > A while ago, somebody sent out an E-mail outlining the "stages in the life > of a raver." Somebody should remember, the one that said you go through the > "candy" period, then the "I'm not a raver, I just go to parties" period. > That was pretty funny. Know where I can find that? > > Anyway, I've been skimming over the digest lately, and taking a quick look > at subjects - mostly party reviews, BSP's, rollcalls, etc. I haven't been > to a party in the bay area since Life last December. So what have parties > been like lately, out of curiosity? Big? over 500 heads? Security so > tight you could bounce a quarter off it? Enough badges to start a new > precinct? I hear chill rooms are so illegal now you get cops in on the > party to keep people from sitting down. That's a laugh - enforced dancing! > Let's not even joke about water bottles and glowsticks being drug > paraphernalia... > > Part of what I liked so much about the rave scene when I started was the > fact that I was surrounded by people who think - people that aren't out to > buy an SUV, a house, get married and have 2.5 kids somewhere in the suburbs. > People who understand that we possess ourselves, and nobody can tell us what > to do with the bodies and minds we have. > > I seem to remember our magnanimous experts - sociologists, economists, > etc. - saying that society will mirror trends of the economy. When the > money goes away, times get rough, people get pissed off, things get bad. It > looks that way for the rave scene. I've heard a lot of people tell me > "well, that was just a period in my life" when they talk about raving. > > I think those people missed the point. > > Everybody thinks they've got my future figured out for me. "You'll get > married one day," they tell me. "You'll want to buy a house, it's a great > investment." "You know, you'll want kids someday." Please don't ever tell > me those things. It just pisses me off. I have a hard time seeing those > things being in my life without me voting republican and worried about my > stock portfolio. Part of what's pissing me off about this whole "being told > how to live" thing is that I'm constantly being told that I need to quit > partying and "focus on my priorities." I suspect that's what a lot of you > all are pissed off about too. And I think one of the biggest components of > that is that we're being told how to live our lives. I'm sure that pisses > you all off as much as it pisses me off. > > The point then, is that if you really have raved at some point in your life, > you'll never quit. You may never go to another party again, but the spirit > of raving will always be with you. It's the spirit that says you have your > own mind, and your own body, and you'll do what you damn well please with > it. Your life is yours to keep, and you'll live it how you see fit. And if > an SUV, 2.5 kids, a house in the suburbs, and a stock portfolio don't fit > into it, EVER, that's YOUR business and YOURS alone. > > I'm sure there's a lot of people that know Heartlove. I know there's been > posts about old people at raves. Personally, I think that's cool as hell, > and I'd love to be the old guy that everybody sees at parties. But as I > said, even if you never attend another party again, there's something you've > got to take with you from raving into whatever path you move to - otherwise > you've just been a tourist at raves, and never once a raver. > > Peace, y'all. > > - Graham > > Flames directed to me as usual. I miss y'all and as soon as I get a damn > job I'll see ya. > > "I cannot live an unexamined life." > - Socrates, last words. > > * * * * * * * * * * > * P H A E D R U S * > * *FreedomRingSF* * > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70164-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:25:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53978 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 17:13:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53968 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:13:49 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010802095747.00b9dc20@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:14:50 -0700 To: sf From: Raver In-Reply-To: <001101c11ae9$d6b6f060$8d14fea9@binary.finary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The opinion stated herein does not necessarily reflect the views of this station. At 05:26 PM 8/1/2001 -0700, Phaedrus wrote: >Everybody thinks they've got my future figured out for me. "You'll get >married one day," they tell me. "You'll want to buy a house, it's a great >investment." "You know, you'll want kids someday." Please don't ever tell >me those things. It just pisses me off. I have a hard time seeing those >things being in my life without me voting republican and worried about my >stock portfolio. Part of what's pissing me off about this whole "being told >how to live" thing is that I'm constantly being told that I need to quit >partying and "focus on my priorities." I suspect that's what a lot of you >all are pissed off about too. And I think one of the biggest components of >that is that we're being told how to live our lives. I'm sure that pisses >you all off as much as it pisses me off. Perhaps. more likely you are sorrounded by people that are older than you, have more experience, and have made more mistakes than you. If they care about you, they want you to be happy, not just now, but 30-40 years from now too. I can't tell you how to live your life, what path is right for you. I can tell you that finding yourself and what your meant to do is truely great. At the same time, if you reject all the values of our corporate society, your retirement will be painful at best, if you ever get to retire. I have a stock portfolio. I vote however I damn well please. I hope to buy a house in the nest 5 years. It IS a great investment, you can easily double your money in a few years.. $ 500,000 -> $1,000,000 is a pretty big deal! Chances are if you tied your lines now, you'd regret it at some point later in your life. Just because you're a raver doesn't make you smarter than your elders, or anyone that isn't a raver. You define you own person, just as I define my own person - there's no reason why you can't vote liberal, own a house, have a daughter, have stocks, and still party. >The point then, is that if you really have raved at some point in your life, >you'll never quit. You may never go to another party again, but the spirit >of raving will always be with you. It's the spirit that says you have your >own mind, and your own body, and you'll do what you damn well please with >it. Your life is yours to keep, and you'll live it how you see fit. And if >an SUV, 2.5 kids, a house in the suburbs, and a stock portfolio don't fit >into it, EVER, that's YOUR business and YOURS alone. > >I'm sure there's a lot of people that know Heartlove. I know there's been >posts about old people at raves. Personally, I think that's cool as hell, >and I'd love to be the old guy that everybody sees at parties. But as I >said, even if you never attend another party again, there's something you've >got to take with you from raving into whatever path you move to - otherwise >you've just been a tourist at raves, and never once a raver. Love to be the old 'guy' ? How about love to see all of our elders joining us in our dance? There shouldn't be TOKEN 'old' people at raves, there should be a mix, black, white, brown, green, grandmas, grandpas, fathers, mothers, dogs, and sheep. I always wanted to have sheep at a rave.. So, you don't think that you're telling me how to live my life, if not what my life is, when you say "there's something you've got to take with you from raving into whatever path you move to - otherwise you've just been a tourist at raves, and never once a raver" sarilion --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70249-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:25:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34093 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 16:25:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34080 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 16:25:53 -0000 From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:25:48 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Question # 2: Should all parties be 18 and over? What do you think of the idea of abolishing "all ages" parties with parties being strictly 18 and over, and promoters having more day parties where those under 18 can attend? Would 18+ parties clean up a lot of problems that are giving our scene a bad rap in the out side world, or would it not make any difference one way or the other? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70191-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:26:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34370 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 20:11:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34347 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 20:11:02 -0000 Message-ID: <004e01c11b90$6c918040$fbd0fea9@foothill.net> From: "`black-locust'" To: "Mail List (us-junglist)" , "Mail List (dnb arena)" , "( Circa ) Rayleen" , "( Circa ) Veronica" , "( Circa ) Bob" , "( Circa ) Craig" , "( Circa ) Morry" , "Brian @ Pure" , "Ian (compression)" , "Paul Gordon" , "Presha" , "Third Word Mag." , "Winter (Wardrums)" , "Vlad (Feel Good)" , "Yarrow (mystical mayhem)" , , , , , , , , , , , , , "Tofu De la Moore" , , , , , , , , , , , , "Rachel Freidig" , , "Pete (Reason)" , , , , , , , , , , , , "Megann Rither" , , , , , , , , , , , "Julie Cardin" , , , , "Jeff Swisley" , , , , , "Imagine Music" , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , "`black-locust'" , , Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:18:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C11B55.AE21B7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] a few things coming up.. (northern california) ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C11B55.AE21B7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable August 18th - dj tao @ eklektic, san francisco August 18th - pl-x @ hektic, san francisco September 2nd - EVASIVE MANUVERS, a black-locust operation (the sunday before labor day, sneak attack..) September 7th and 8th - black-locust hosts BASS CAMP=20 (ninja style up at wilderbeats) September 15th - black-locust @ Colossal Music Festival COVERSION drums + bass aug.07 - Nman (argon records) and Havoc (compression-sf) aug.14 - Sage (phunckateck\phylum) and Tofu de La Moore (black-locust)=20 aug.21 - Slim (black-locust) w\ Infokill & Danny Beck (wardrums) aug.28 - Riser (KOF, baltimore) w\ Mo and Plan B (pinnacle ink) << www.black-locust.com \ coversion >> always! 916.484.DRUM thanks to our sponsor's @ c1rca footwear and apparel \\ mattie : contact `black-locust' - drums n' bass \ contact@black-locust.com \ www.black-locust.com AIM: blocustmattie ICQ: 84768358 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C11B55.AE21B7E0-- From sfraves-return-70219-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:26:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28193 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 23:04:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28182 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 23:04:25 -0000 Message-ID: <02f401c11ba7$78886e60$6900000a@tendocom.org> Reply-To: "matt newell" From: "matt newell" To: References: <001c01c11ba1$bc991c40$280110ac@nick> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:04:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 23:04:23.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[7882A200:01C11BA7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] taking care of where you are (f8 kids take note) : ryan said: : Last year it was at Camp and Sons but no longer because the place got : trashed and F8 is banned from using it. wanted to denote the importance of this statement to the larger group - its a sad commentary on the people in attendance of f8 campout last year in general. but the reality of the matter is that kids with no ability to look after themselves and the venue in which they are at have no right in being there at all. but, then again -- no one has to worry about them screwing it up again, as they won't ever be there again. mmmmm. i worked the door of a recent campout up there at had a chance to talk to the people that work there -- all of which remembered the event, none of which had anything nice to say about the attendees or overall feeling walking away from that particular weekend. understand, these are some of the most grounded and easy going people (as anyone in contact with them will attribute) -- and them having these impressions and opinions should be (imho) taken seriously by the larger partying community. why do i even bother commenting on this right now? because i'm curious and have the opportunity to be at the f8 campout this year. also, as a heads up to anyone that may see this to take care of your shit. take care of the venue, and don't abuse it. as with the camp and sons banning, f8 has a hole to dig themselves and their followers out of. burning through venues and bridges will only end up in having a lot more trouble finding places to take on such (obviously) irresponsible people. being outside and away from your parents/your own home/etc isn't a free ticket ride to be an idiot. camp and sons holds a certain magic for quite a few of us on the list (and many others outside of it). keeping the ug scene alive and well will only continue to happen if everyone takes their fair share of the responsibility (which is, again, just taking care of your own self and vicinity). massifs and corporate america have nothing to do with this -- its up to each individual to protect the magical spaces we still have available to us. overnout, .. matt .. www.sweetillusions.org .. matt@sweetillusions.org .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70192-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:26:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35014 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 20:11:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34995 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 20:11:15 -0000 From: "COTS" To: "Chris V" Cc: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:11:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 20:10:51.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A7F5060:01C11B8F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer on a taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about the party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails keep adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming up....keep up the good work people.... i -----Original Message----- From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby on board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying this was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their overzealous "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on the streets. -=Chris=- >From: "COTS" >To: "Kenneth Bice" >CC: >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters (yea >F8 >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's >purpose... > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our meeting >point. > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned parenthood, >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... > > >hahaha > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM >To: SF Raves List >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > >okay so check it, > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" >last night and on one of the light poles in the >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you >this was a light pole towards the back of the >parking lot and they were almost covered up by >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering >who was the brilliant person who put them there? >anyone have any clues? > >laterz, > >kenneth > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70124-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:26:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25136 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 02:49:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25126 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 02:49:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.246.89] From: "Augie Dogg" To: andy@saturn5.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:48:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 02:48:51.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9460170:01C11AFD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com ok, point proven - all i meant(as email tends to filter)is that it would have been nice to see all that talent assembled together, in the city of sin, las vegas. i could care less if the rave fails or succeeds to become part of the "stupidity and emotional sterility of arena rock", because corporate electronica is old news and if i want community and pure energy then i'll go to a smaller, intimate party and hang out with people like you who eat, shit, and breathe techno. augie ----Original Message Follows---- From: AndyW To: Augie Dogg CC: , Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:47:15 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Augie Dogg wrote: -&e->the cancellation of creamfields really sucks. i was really looking forward -&e->to this event in las vegas! ah, the crackdown on dance culture continues.... -&e-> -&e->augie Whoa!? How is a money making enterprise backing out of something because it won't be as profitable as they had hoped 'crackdown on dance culture'. The problem starts and ends with the fact that something like Creamfield's or Area1 is not a rave, and while it's somewhat representative of dance culture because it features 'dance music artists', it is not the end all be all of what it is we do. I honestly think we're gonna keep getting fisted in the ass as long as we can't tell the difference between the real deal and the corporate knockoffs. We spend far too much time crying around here for fallen soldiers who aren't on our side... people who I've refer to ravers as "kids", "headcount", "patrons", "draw", etc. The scene is only going to improve as large events with the sole intentions of cashing in on something that's not there continue to fail. The music is important, but just like seeing the Other Ones at Shoreline is hardly the same as a Be-In or 60s Acid Test, the true rave is a community effort rendered not from investors and a stunning lineup but rather the unique energy that is present when grassroots enthusiasm takes hold at a community scale. Rave started as a 'fuck you' to the stupidity and emotional sterility of arena rock and the absence of a true community experience in our culture, yet we're getting all sad that it's failed to become it? Um... You want a safe and predictable place to swing your glosticks, go see Oakie at Shoreline... but that's not what I'm in it for. The scene is not about the cost of admission, or VIP passes, or superstars and sponsors. It is about this being something we can all do, a place to share everything we are, something we can all experience without having to buy into anything but a couple beliefs and maybe lugging a few speakers across a field and pitching in for a generator and some water. The underground is the energy and love of a house party on a larger scale. A feast of friends, tuned to music, celebrating through the swinging of arms and shaking of asses and quiet trusting conversations between sweaty people about hope, reality and the future. Those still happen, but we've got way to many jackasses in the mix trying to make a dime off it and trying to put a price on PLUR or whatever the fuck it is we're supposed to be missing that they will provide us if we just pay the X amount of greenbacks for the ticket. Consumerism is the belief that the consumer lacks something that the company can provide in exchange for money. Rave is the belief that we aren't lacking anything as individuals, that we've got energy and love to give and being together takes us to a greater whole - a collective consciousness that has existed through human time (mysteries, shamanism, religion, community dance, etc) in every thriving culture throughout history. These are mutually exclusive, and cannot be merged without significant compromise. How many times do we have to be promised the best vibe, get duped into paying for DJs that we'll never see, pay $2 for water that costs < 0.25 just because you're a captive audience in an underventilated space, or presales for events that might not happen before we realize it's not about what's promised but about what's delivered? andyw _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70248-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:27:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68634 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 13:40:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68597 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 13:40:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 06:38:00 -0700 From: EKLEKTIC / HEKTIC X-Sender: dMarie@mail.groundscore.net (Unverified) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9vLZuN9TzbGCyGKRT2Sgyg)" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RED ONE / SIREN / SERAPHIM & TOUGH BREAKS --Boundary_(ID_9vLZuN9TzbGCyGKRT2Sgyg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This Saturday, August 4, Groundscore brings you yet another ruffatuff session of :: E K L E K T I C :: with Ram raider RED ONE One of the dons of the infamous and lauded Ram Records crew, Red One if here again to give us a peek into the future with a stealth mix of unreleased tunes from his own and neighboring camps. and Eklektic crusader SIREN Now a resident of NYC as well as this club, Siren's back on the Westside for a quick tour, playing up and down the coast and all over the city. Watch out! plus Sister SF's SERAPHIM Not quite up-and-coming, Seraphim is up and here-- and ready to stear the night into the brockwild waters we so enjoy. Opening set by MIKEY J. Vocalism by AUDIO ANGEL. Record Release party for Jumpin Jack Frost's "Fine Tuning Vol. 1" Giveaways courtesy Studio K7! And Thank You Cat Club! Beware the freshly-installed, brand-new soundsystem!! and not-to-be-missed :: H E K T I C :: with breaksmistress Ms.E! Recently featured in the ink of the SF Weekly's article on our city's burgeoning nu-breaks scene and a Wall Street Journal piece about radio DJs and the internet, this Hektic resident has been a busy E. Come witness a local favorite flair her sassy style. plus LORIN From the Bassnectar crew, you can tell where he finds his sweetness. With new bassbins in the front as well, let's all get pollenated. Opening set by JROCK. Didgeridoin' by FROGGER. 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Thanks Qzen! --Boundary_(ID_9vLZuN9TzbGCyGKRT2Sgyg)-- From sfraves-return-70229-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:29:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3021 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 00:29:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3010 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 00:29:15 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:29:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Deepak Jagannath To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: dee@gotspeed.com X-Originating-Ip: [63.198.114.63] Message-Id: <20010803002913.A72693ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Free 2 Night / 2 Day Campout this weekend near Mono Lake My friend is going to spin there.. i'll be attending also. There are 5 paid djs.. and they will let other djs have free spin time. August 3rd(fri. full moon too!), 4th(sat.), and 5th(sun.), two days and two nights of straight up MUSIC, PEOPLE and FUN as the underground world brings to you a FREE 48 HOUR RAVE, at a NEW, NEVER USED outdoor location in tha SIERRA'S (You dont get night sky's, stars, and fresh air like this in the city), in Mono county near Mono Lake (BIG ASS LAKE.) With all kinds of visual stimulation created by Mother Earth and by her Human Beings (us).So dont forget your camping gear. With vendors, music, people, and FREE spin time for all you D.J.'s out there, it promises to be a wonderfull time. TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW. WE HAVE *UNLIMITED* SPACE. Info:760-937-1491 dee _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70123-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:29:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16580 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 02:40:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16567 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 02:40:33 -0000 From: "COTS" To: "Kenneth Bice" Cc: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 02:39:42.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[62161660:01C11AFC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters (yea F8 too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's purpose... and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our meeting point. i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned parenthood, etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... hahaha -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM To: SF Raves List Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? okay so check it, im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" last night and on one of the light poles in the parking lot i see to small posters taped there... one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you this was a light pole towards the back of the parking lot and they were almost covered up by trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off for a bit and then left... but i was wondering who was the brilliant person who put them there? anyone have any clues? laterz, kenneth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70099-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:30:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72024 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 22:02:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72013 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 22:02:12 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: Jamie Murray , R Bronstein , sf raves Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.41] Message-Id: <20010801220207.8F5D82747@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP Jaime dancing onthe dance floor??? That's a 1st!! jk Happy Hardcore? Hell Yeah I'll be there & hopefully drag a few HHC heads along!! Sounds hella fun! --- Jamie Murray > wrote: >18 and up with id >I am so going to be there this night. Cannot miss my >boy Tronic ;D and his uk hard house, or will you be >doing hhc. doesn't matter as long as your there >tearing up as always. >Hope to see you out there that night Rach. >Say hi I'll be the one on the dance floor. >teehee >Jamie >--- R Bronstein wrote: >> can anyone tell me if its 21+ or not. Thanks >> >> Rach =} >> >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "DJ Tronic" >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N >> Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP >> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 >> >> Aight.. just tossin this one out so everyone knows >> about it early.. make >> your plans to get to Club Matrix West-Friday, August >> 10th!! Here's the >> lineup: >> >> $10 admission BEFORE 10:30 >> $15 admission after 10:30 >> >> Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and Bass-Hardcore >> >> *Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 >> Turntables!!** >> >> :: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* >> Cloudskipper (Supernova >> Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) >> >> **One of the Most Respected and Best Drum and Bass >> DJs in the Bay Area** >> >> :: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) >> >> .supporting cast. >> >> : Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova >> Recordings-Sacramento) >> : Mikey J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) >> : Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) >> : Scotty (Spin Knowledge) >> >> Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno >> >> **One of the Most Talented US Hard House Producers >> Today** >> >> :: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los >> Angeles) >> >> .supporting cast. >> >> : Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) >> : Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) >> : Lewis (Spin Knowledge) >> >> Just lettin everyone know about this one.. should be >> off the hook! Make the >> plans to get there early!! ;) >> >> Andy >> Tronic >> >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70122-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6240 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 02:29:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6228 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 02:29:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.94.209.1] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: dyloot33@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:28:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 02:28:39.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7109960:01C11AFA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: BUBBLEGUM SCI-FI this Thursday @... I'll be there with my dancin' shoes on my feet, a smile on my face, and caffeine in my veins! RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "You never lose when you love. You always lose when you hold back." >From: "Jason Dyloot" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >CC: frequency-8@squinky.org >Subject: [sfraves] BSP: BUBBLEGUM SCI-FI this Thursday @... >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:38:26 -0700 > >Hello again everyone... >This Thursday is the return of club Bubblegum Sci-Fi. >Hope to see you there. > >9pm-2am >21+, full bar >280 7th St. @ Folsom in SF. >$15 cover >Two levels of dance plus an outdoor chill garden to enjoy. >415.437.4460 -smile :) > >Trance & NRG: MYSTRE > TOM SLIK > DYLOOT > ALIAS > DISKO SHAWN > >Jungle & 2-Step: BICOLAS > B-DUB > BEVERLY > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70193-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:31:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40348 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 20:16:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40338 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 20:16:50 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:16:49 -0700 From: vix To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com All quotes deleted since I used to be a digest subscriber and remember what it was like to see the same bloody few paragraphs 36 times =) Bob, I so disagree with you, especially about the nature of change and the likelihood of change always playing out in the direction of negative. And about being stuffed into civic auditoriums at $40 a pop--who is this "we" that's already there, kimo sabe? and how was force involved? But enough. You say those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it, and you are right. But best to remember accurately and without nostalgia for a hippie pre-commerce era that, alas, has never existed in real life except in the margins, i.e. the underground--which will continue to thrive and survive as it has always survived--separately. I will leave it there because bombastic internet debates are a dime a dozen. You are welcome to the last word if you want it but if you don't mind, can we just disagree without all the strong language? Because we pretty much want the same things and may well evolve toward agreeing with each other someday. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70171-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:32:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10233 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 18:45:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10207 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 18:45:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802184457.23846.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "grant stevens" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 02:44:56 +0800 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: alien records this week all- big ups to everyone in NYC. wanted to share some real audio clips of the promos and brand new stuff i put up with all tha ravers. lots of UK trance in this week - Junior London, Bedrock, Hooj - my fav is a trance burner on underworld: Frank Brook - Tribeca. some of the best underground hip hop i've heard in a while and these dope-azz dancehall CDs that are bootlegs of white label stuff and dub plates ... simply rocks. new drum and bass is being recorded now and will be live at 5:30 AM friday morning. i spend all day in a room full of new music, so here's hoping someone gets to enjoy it besides me. again, thanks to everyone who has provided feedback for the site; as a way to thank you, all orders over $100 get free ground shipping. also, anyone who gets that del know, keeps that deal. thanks- grant stevens http://www.alienrecords.net -- _______________________________________________ FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70243-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:32:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85589 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 05:25:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85579 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 05:25:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.199.181] From: ". CHOCO ." To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org, orphan@topica.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: nemo@2by2.net, webdog420@aol.com, dr.grinch@mad.scientist.com, livethetruestlie@aol.com, redmiataboy@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 22:25:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 05:25:10.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9E448F0:01C11BDC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: F8: My Daughter, Daft Punk and Anime? hah.....dopeness. i just got done watching that one commercail for victoria's secret, like around 7 or 8ish....i was watching tv (friends...hehe) ya, they played that song "one more time". hehe, dang, jamie, ur daughter is too dope. "is this mars???"...haha,i remember the time you told me that story. "pimp ability" u said. k, ill ttyl. peazzy! .choco. >From: Jamie Murray >Reply-To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org >To: Orphan List , sf raves , > F 8 >CC: Nate , joe weber , "Soul A." >, Alex , > ryan david dennis >Subject: F8: My Daughter, Daft Punk and Anime? >Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:20:55 -0700 (PDT) > >O.k. So my five year old daughter is checking out >cartoon network today and i hear daft punk begin to >play "One More Time" I look over to her and there it >is, Daft Punk with an anime video for One more time. >I look down to her and she simply says in her >matter-of-fact-didn't-you-know voice "Mom, this is my >favorite song". To those of you who don't know, my >daughter is very partial to electronic music. HHC, >Most of the mainstream house stuff you hear on the >radios oh and Aaron Carter, do not argue with her >about who did the original "I Want Candy" song, she is >very adament about it. (it was bow wow wow) >O.k. i know some of you are like "So when are you >going to let them start raving?" When They can show >me they are responsible!! There. >And Adam Weaver I will know if they sneak out and go. >you forget, been there, done that. Remember High >school, Raley's 4 in the morning, wasted. o.k. enough >said. You know what i am talking about to Reid so >stop laughing. >So any ways check it out. >http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/toonami/alliance/ >Have a great day i know i am. >*.* >Jamie Star > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >--- >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >majordomo@squinky.org >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70163-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51733 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 17:11:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51723 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:11:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "SF RAVES" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:20:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0198_01C11B3C.BCAFA560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 17:10:49.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[137D3C70:01C11B76] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] downtempo, triphop, experimental and ambiant DJ's ------=_NextPart_000_0198_01C11B3C.BCAFA560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey puttin to gether a little get together and i was wonderin if any of = you out there in SFR land spin DOWNTEMPO, TRIPHOP, ACID JAZZ, AMBIANT, = OR EXPARIMENTAL. If you do please drop me a note.=20 Thanks all & Dancin for SMILES =3D) Cliff PS if you might wana come to this small gathering on the 10th send a = blank email to lagistrate@hotmail.com for more info but do NOT hit the = reply or reply all buttons ------=_NextPart_000_0198_01C11B3C.BCAFA560-- From sfraves-return-70237-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:34:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93213 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 03:07:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93203 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 03:07:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.104.151] From: "DFD.07 o0][0][0o" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:07:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 03:07:15.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[65EC0E70:01C11BC9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] My Daughter, Daft Punk and Anime? I just got done seeing a Victoria's secret commercial w/Daft's "One More Time" and immediately thought, "damn those guys must be making some scrill!". No hating here. The commercial was entertaining :) >From: Jamie Murray >O.k. So my five year old daughter is checking out >cartoon network today and i hear daft punk begin to >play "One More Time" I look over to her and there it >is, Daft Punk with an anime video for One more time. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70121-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:34:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2556 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 02:20:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2540 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 02:20:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802022030.26682.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:20:29 -0700 (PDT) From: I lb To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] psb...Come Unity...*This Friday Aug 3rd* Friday August 3rd - 2001 ~Come Unity~ *Bringing the family back together for an evening of pure house music and abstract beats.. *Phil Smart (AUS) *Jeno *Simon *Jon Williams *Kieth O` Rielly *Exo (Live Freestyle Beats) *Jim Huckin *Cosmik Jason *Johnny Brett *Opium Jones *Adnan @ Mission Rock Resort 817 China Basin Way - San Francisco 10pm-4:30am 21+ W/ Valid ID 415.626.5355 Come Unity Info $10 Before 11:00pm / $15 After __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70100-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:36:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78205 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 22:08:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78186 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 22:08:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1215418573==_ma============" X-Sender: bfidget@pop.sfrn.dnai.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:06:21 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org (the SFR Daily Gazette) From: boomboom@boomerangfidget.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] boomerangfidget.com August edition --============_-1215418573==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" this month at http://www.boomerangfidget.com... Our Breathtaking Catalog - RAVER DRUG PARAPHERNALIA. Review - DJ Drag'nfly by Tim Hockin SampleThief! - I've got about 20 new audio files for you musicians & sample geeks to download. This month's theme is particularly good for producers of jungle, hip-hop & house. (The files are in AIFF format for high quality, and are no larger than 3 MB!) The Gentlemen's Parlor - a new column! Playaz only. Poetry, Tales from the Underground, and more! Y'all pay us a visit, hear? -boomerang --============_-1215418573==_ma============-- From sfraves-return-70198-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:37:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35566 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 21:51:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35555 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 21:51:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802215109.62762.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Presser To: E S M O , Phaedrus , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <012d01c11b9b$7e30e920$1e02fea9@djesmo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The opinion stated herein does not necessarily reflect the views of this station. HA, HA, HA!!! Seen this a bunch of times but it's STILL f'n funny... HA, HA! --- E S M O wrote: > 1. THE CANDY STAGE - All the newbies go through this > stage, characterized by > fuzzy pants, beads, and pacifiers > > 2. THE P.L.U.R. STAGE > > 3. THE "PHUCK TRANCE I'M INTO HOUSE STAGE" - > > 4. THE ANTI-CANDY STAGE > > 5. THE I'M A JUNGLIST NOW STAGE > > 6. THE E STAGE > > 7. THE ACID STAGE > > 8. THE E AND ACID STAGE > > 9. THE "I ONLY GO TO SMALLER PARTIES, PHUCK > MASSIVES" STAGE > > 10. THE K STAGE > > 11. THE NOS STAGE > > 12. THE "I'M NOW A PROMOTER" STAGE - characterized > by handing out flyers at > parties and putting flyers on car windshields. Woo > hoo such glory! > > 13. THE "I'M A DJ" STAGE and "I SPIN BLAH BLAH BLAH" > STAGE. Add the "DJ" > name in front of your online name and you're God! > > 14. THE "I GET INTO PARTIES FOR FREE STAGE" > > 15. THE "IM A SOBER RAVER NOW" STAGE > > 16. THE "I'M AN OLKSKOOL RAVER STAGE" > > 17. THE "IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DRUGS ITS ABOUT THE > MUSIC STAGE" > > 18. THE "ALL NEWBIES SUCK" STAGE > > 19. THE "IT'S MY BIRTHDAY" STAGE > > 20. THE "CAN YOU OR ANY OF YOUR FRIENDS BUMP ME > UP?!" STAGE > > 21. THE "I'VE FUCKIN' BEEN TO FUCKIN' JAIL EIGHT > FUCKIN' TIMES AND NOW I'M A > NARC" STAGE > > 22. THE "IF YOU'RE NOT WEARING MECCA, NAUTICA, RALPH > LAUREN OR DKNY, THEN > I'M NOT LOOKING AT YOU, LET ALONE TALKING TO YOU" > STAGE > > 23. THE "I AM NOT A DJ HO" STAGE > > 24. THE "I AM *NOT* A RAVER, I JUST GO TO PARTIES" > STAGE > > 25. THE I'M TOO COOL FOR RAVES BUT COULD YOU PICK ME > UP SOME K? STAGE > > 26. THE REAL RAVES DON'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE AND THIS > IS ALL A COMMERCIAL > TRAP THAT YOU IDIOTS ARE FALLING FOR STAGE > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phaedrus" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:26 PM > Subject: [sfraves] The opinion stated herein does > not necessarily reflect > the views of this station. > > > > So we live in a police state. What's new? > > > > A while ago, somebody sent out an E-mail outlining > the "stages in the life > > of a raver." Somebody should remember, the one > that said you go through > the > > "candy" period, then the "I'm not a raver, I just > go to parties" period. > > That was pretty funny. Know where I can find > that? > > > > Anyway, I've been skimming over the digest lately, > and taking a quick look > > at subjects - mostly party reviews, BSP's, > rollcalls, etc. I haven't been > > to a party in the bay area since Life last > December. So what have parties > > been like lately, out of curiosity? Big? over > 500 heads? Security so > > tight you could bounce a quarter off it? Enough > badges to start a new > > precinct? I hear chill rooms are so illegal now > you get cops in on the > > party to keep people from sitting down. That's a > laugh - enforced > dancing! > > Let's not even joke about water bottles and > glowsticks being drug > > paraphernalia... > > > > Part of what I liked so much about the rave scene > when I started was the > > fact that I was surrounded by people who think - > people that aren't out to > > buy an SUV, a house, get married and have 2.5 kids > somewhere in the > suburbs. > > People who understand that we possess ourselves, > and nobody can tell us > what > > to do with the bodies and minds we have. > > > > I seem to remember our magnanimous experts - > sociologists, economists, > > etc. - saying that society will mirror trends of > the economy. When the > > money goes away, times get rough, people get > pissed off, things get bad. > It > > looks that way for the rave scene. I've heard a > lot of people tell me > > "well, that was just a period in my life" when > they talk about raving. > > > > I think those people missed the point. > > > > Everybody thinks they've got my future figured out > for me. "You'll get > > married one day," they tell me. "You'll want to > buy a house, it's a great > > investment." "You know, you'll want kids > someday." Please don't ever > tell > > me those things. It just pisses me off. I have a > hard time seeing those > > things being in my life without me voting > republican and worried about my > > stock portfolio. Part of what's pissing me off > about this whole "being > told > > how to live" thing is that I'm constantly being > told that I need to quit > > partying and "focus on my priorities." I suspect > that's what a lot of you > > all are pissed off about too. And I think one of > the biggest components > of > > that is that we're being told how to live our > lives. I'm sure that pisses > > you all off as much as it pisses me off. > > > > The point then, is that if you really have raved > at some point in your > life, > > you'll never quit. You may never go to another > party again, but the > spirit > > of raving will always be with you. It's the > spirit that says you have > your > > own mind, and your own body, and you'll do what > you damn well please with > > it. Your life is yours to keep, and you'll live > it how you see fit. And > if > > an SUV, 2.5 kids, a house in the suburbs, and a > stock portfolio don't fit > > into it, EVER, that's YOUR business and YOURS > alone. > > > > I'm sure there's a lot of people that know > Heartlove. I know there's been > > posts about old people at raves. Personally, I > think that's cool as hell, > > and I'd love to be the old guy that everybody sees > at parties. But as I > > said, even if you never attend another party > again, there's something > you've > > got to take with you from raving into whatever > path you move to - > otherwise > > you've just been a tourist at raves, and never > once a raver. > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70238-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:38:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95205 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 03:11:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95193 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 03:11:36 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.203] From: "veronica la rosa" To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:11:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 03:11:08.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1066870:01C11BC9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] mopsy.flopsy.turns.two.two! Awwww. Happy Birthday, Jason!! It seems like so long ago that I met you in that dirty, old Govt. building at one of Dj Ice's infamous parties! I am glad I met you though. You saved my night! And plus, we've had a lot of cool times since then :) -Veronica- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70220-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:38:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40578 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 23:16:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40567 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 23:16:38 -0000 Message-ID: <005701c11ba9$2857cbf0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "Tera Ball" , "Kenneth Bice" , "COTS" Cc: "Chris V" , References: <20010802230240.84623.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:16:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 You got a bad attitude and I think you need to stop talking shit. Ken gave his opinion and you jumped down his throat..I think you need to take your problems and like you said "But a lot of other people like them. So shut your mouth." Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tera Ball" To: "Kenneth Bice" ; "COTS" Cc: "Chris V" ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:02 PM Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 > > Actually YOU are an ass! You come on here trying talk shit about other people's promoting, and then get told. Everyone told you how completely wrong you were. Don't talk shit. And don't take out your problems on other people. Sorry if COTS, Coolworld, and F8 are not good enough for you. But a lot of other people like them. So shut your mouth. > And on another note, the place they put up those flyers was perfect! Think about it! > Right next to Shoreline. That was the exact type of people they want to promote to. > Kenneth Bice wrote: your really an ass... > > check it though, i wouldnt set foot into cyberfest or f-8. > and i will never attend another cots party because of > something really really jacked one of the crew members > did to me. but the bottom line is this, jsut because you > promote the shit out of your party doesnt mean jack, > you can put flyers on peoples cars most end up on the > ground or in the trash, and just because you post flyers > on light poles doesnt mean shit either. yea the word gets > around but thats just the way it is... i could throw a > party and have donauld glaude there, i wouldnt have to > make flyers or tape them to light poles or anything of > the sort, but because he would be there you know the > party would sell out, its not the crazy promoting people > do its the quality, reputation and talent of a party that > dictates its attendence. > > iight im out. > > laterz, > > kenneth > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, COTS wrote: > > > hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer on a > > taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about the > > party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom > > line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails keep > > adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming up....keep > > up the good work people.... > > > > i > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." > > > > I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two > > blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby on > > board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the > > block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we > > didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying this > > was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. > > Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their overzealous > > "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on the > > streets. > > > > -=Chris=- > > > > >From: "COTS" > > >To: "Kenneth Bice" > > >CC: > > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > > > > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters (yea > > >F8 > > >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's > > >purpose... > > > > > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the > > >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i > > >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our meeting > > >point. > > > > > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned parenthood, > > >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > > > > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... > > > > > > > > >hahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > > >To: SF Raves List > > >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > > > >okay so check it, > > > > > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > > >last night and on one of the light poles in the > > >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > > >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > > >this was a light pole towards the back of the > > >parking lot and they were almost covered up by > > >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > > >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > > >who was the brilliant person who put them there? > > >anyone have any clues? > > > > > >laterz, > > > > > >kenneth > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70221-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:38:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41193 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 23:16:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41159 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 23:16:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802231643.64135.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: sf raves Cc: Orphan List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Fwd: [sfraves] New Anti-E Bill.... o.k. so i sent the "Anti E Law" post to a few other list. and this response found it's way back to me and i thought i was rather cute in a sense. From: "Christina Kittie" To: dank@deadpig.org, jamiestar13@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:41:50 -0400 Subject: Re:Fwd: [sfraves] New Anti-E Bill.... Im not really worried about it. Of course it upsets me [me + dank got into arguements about this before hehe], but theres ALWAYS going to be raves. Always. Theres underground parties going on now that not even me or you know about, am I rite? So why are you all going to worry about it. And even when that corny law gets passed, we could just start making elite parties for those we know [kinda, you know the way it started]. They can try and try again to take away this thing that we love, but its never going to happen. Not if we dont let them, and we wont. So all you guys worried about this, just relax.0=] Mwaz, Love Christina Kittie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70199-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:38:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37198 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 21:51:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37188 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 21:51:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: COTS cc: Chris V , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 your really an ass... check it though, i wouldnt set foot into cyberfest or f-8. and i will never attend another cots party because of something really really jacked one of the crew members did to me. but the bottom line is this, jsut because you promote the shit out of your party doesnt mean jack, you can put flyers on peoples cars most end up on the ground or in the trash, and just because you post flyers on light poles doesnt mean shit either. yea the word gets around but thats just the way it is... i could throw a party and have donauld glaude there, i wouldnt have to make flyers or tape them to light poles or anything of the sort, but because he would be there you know the party would sell out, its not the crazy promoting people do its the quality, reputation and talent of a party that dictates its attendence. iight im out. laterz, kenneth On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, COTS wrote: > hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer on a > taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about the > party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom > line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails keep > adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming up....keep > up the good work people.... > > i > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." > > I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two > blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby on > board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the > block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we > didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying this > was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. > Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their overzealous > "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on the > streets. > > -=Chris=- > > >From: "COTS" > >To: "Kenneth Bice" > >CC: > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters (yea > >F8 > >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's > >purpose... > > > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the > >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i > >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our meeting > >point. > > > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned parenthood, > >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... > > > > > >hahaha > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > >To: SF Raves List > >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > >okay so check it, > > > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > >last night and on one of the light poles in the > >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > >this was a light pole towards the back of the > >parking lot and they were almost covered up by > >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > >who was the brilliant person who put them there? > >anyone have any clues? > > > >laterz, > > > >kenneth > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70246-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:39:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85963 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 11:57:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85953 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 11:57:22 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: julie ranoa To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: HuLaGirLJuLiE@hawaiicity.com X-Originating-Ip: [24.221.161.16] Message-Id: <20010803115721.8E60536F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] * off to Reggae on the River** =) hey everyone! have a safe and beautiful weekend! i'm planning on having one myself at Reggae on the River! ... ONE LOVE! hopefully i will meet some Sfravers who are going =) should be lots of fun! peace, love, aloha,and reggae>>>>>love, Hula girl ** Julie ** *if you're going email me and i 'll give you my cell number so we can hook up =) _____________________________________________________________ Get your FREE 20mb Hawaii website, Free Hawaii email address, Hawaii weather & news, free contest, discount Hawaiian Jewelry, gifts, car rentals, hotels and airline tickets...http://www.hawaiicity.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70162-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:39:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46991 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 17:07:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46567 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:06:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802170612.56581.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristie Ruiz To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New Anti-E Bill.... We've got a new battle on our hands. This bill has a blanket effect on our entire scene, even if you don't take Ecstasy. If this passes, the bill will "Give priority in Public Health Service grants to communities that pass ordinances "restricting rave clubs" and which increased law enforcement directed toward Ecstasy offenses." This means that the government will basically pay cities to shut down raves and clubs.... scary You can quickly (it takes about 1 minute) & easily send an already-generated letter to the government by clicking on this link: http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/ecstasywar/ ************************** >          Drug Reform Coordination Network (DRCNet) >                     Rapid Response Team >     ---- http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/ecstasywar/ ---- > > Please help stop S. 1208, a terrible new federal bill by Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) that would throw more fuel on the government's anti-Ecstasy hysteria.  S. 1208 would funnel $16 million taxpayer dollars into anti-Ecstasy law enforcement, fund the creation of an Ecstasy drug test and pressure municipalities into passing ordinances that restrict "rave clubs" and increasing their own anti-Ecstasy enforcement. Please visit http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/ecstasywar/ to register your disapproval of this legislation with Congress.  Even if Ecstasy, also known as MDMA, were the dire threat that some claim it to be, this bill would still be the wrong way to go and would do great harm to our nation's youth.  Yet the government's reaction to Ecstasy use is wildly disproportionate to the actual evidence.  For example, the Drug Abuse Warning Network found only 27 known cases of Ecstasy-related fatalities during the five-year period spanning 1994-1998. While these 27 deaths are tragedies, the number is dwarfed by the millions who died from tobacco during that time, the hundreds of thousands from alcohol, even the tens of thousands from aspirin!  Even in face of rising use of the drug, the numbers are still miniscule.  Perhaps worst of all, this law will have the effect of stifling the provision of much-needed "harm reduction" information and resources to the very communities of young people we say we want to protect -- the kind of help that could have saved those 27 young people. Again, visit http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/ecstasywar/ to contact Congress in opposition to this bill.  Our web site will send an e-mail or fax to your two Senators, your US Representative and the President; you may use our prewritten version, or better yet, modify it or write your own.  When you're done, we hope you'll also call your Senators, using the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 224- 3121, and forward this alert to your friends or use the tell-a-friend form provided by our site. A little more information about this bill:  According to The Alchemind Society, S. 1208 would: * Allocate $15 million "to assist anti-Ecstasy law enforcement initiatives in high intensity drug trafficking areas," and another $1 million for a federal "Task Force on Ecstasy/MDMA and Emerging Club Drugs"; * Allocate $7 million to a "national youth anti-drug media campaign" that "addresses the reduction and prevention of abuse of MDMA... among young people"; * Direct an unspecified amount of money to commission the development of an MDMA drug test; * Allocate $1.5 million for the National Institute on Drug Abuse to conduct research on MDMA and publish a public report no later than January 1, 2003; and > * Give priority in Public Health Service grants to communities that pass ordinances "restricting rave clubs" and which increased law enforcement directed toward Ecstasy offenses. Again, please take two minutes and point your web browser to http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/ecstasywar/ to take a stand against hysteria and injustice.  When you're done, call the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 224-3121 to make phone calls to your two Senators to make even more impact, or visit http://www.senate.gov to look up their direct phone numbers or addresses to send letters. Visit http://www.alchemind.org/DLL/sb1208_index.htm for information and continuing updates on this bill. Visit http://www.dancesafe.org for harm reduction information and resources on MDMA and other "club drugs." 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70120-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:39:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97135 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 02:12:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97124 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 02:12:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:12:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010802020354.47995.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] wAz uP from CALIFORNIARAVES.COM On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jessica Temptz wrote: > Hey whats up sfraves, this is Jessica from > californiaraves.com We are a growing community of > ravers (mostly from south cal) and we need more > northCali peepz to join! Help us grow! > (wAz uPs LadyT- is the name I use on the board) > see u there! tell your friends > > WWW.CALIFORNIARAVES.COM WOW-The featured DJ is are very own northern cali Thomas Trouble. HOW Wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's cool that it links STRAIGHT to his website so I can read cool quotes like "Do you fuck as well as you dance". Keep up the good work. Jahsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70098-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:39:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68449 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 21:58:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68417 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 21:58:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.244.2.97] From: "Augie Dogg" To: djhbomb999@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:57:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 21:57:41.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCA70E00:01C11AD4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com call it commercial failure, cities pulling permits, media scrutinization, whatever - i'm sure that it would have been a huge success, being nearly two months away. area 51, nation in LA, mekka, creamfields, its certainly unfortunate. -augie ----Original Message Follows---- From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: grint418@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:45:15 -0700 >the cancellation of creamfields really sucks. i was really looking forward >to this event in las vegas! ah, the crackdown on dance culture >continues.... > "crackdown"? more like "commercial failure." you know, every single unfortunate thing that happens to the rave scene isn't the government's fault. events in all genres of entertainment get cancelled when the promoter can't sell enough tickets to make a profit. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70222-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:39:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44055 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 23:17:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44037 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 23:17:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802231737.99627.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Byers To: DJ Howlin' Bob Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? I HATE THAT SHIT!!!!! If you're gonna promote a party...you should hand them out individually. That way you can mingle with people and give them a connection of some sort....I guess when it's a big party...you can't do that? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70200-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:39:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40162 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 21:53:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40152 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 21:53:12 -0000 Message-ID: <014401c11b9d$30a74ad0$1bd2f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , , References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:50:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com I understand what you are saying Howlin' Bob... but what should we do about it? I figure we have two choices. We can complain about commercialization while waiting patiently for that loud flushing noise or we can resolve to keep the ug alive somewhere under the commercialized veneer. If we should learn something from the past it's that we can't stop the commercialization. Maybe vix is saying we have learned that and we aren't going to let history repeat itself. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70095-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:39:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48329 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 21:45:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48282 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 21:45:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: grint418@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:45:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 21:45:15.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FED9140:01C11AD3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com >the cancellation of creamfields really sucks. i was really looking forward >to this event in las vegas! ah, the crackdown on dance culture >continues.... > "crackdown"? more like "commercial failure." you know, every single unfortunate thing that happens to the rave scene isn't the government's fault. events in all genres of entertainment get cancelled when the promoter can't sell enough tickets to make a profit. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70096-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:40:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49931 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 21:46:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49836 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 21:46:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "SF RAVES" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:55:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01C11A99.F3BDB860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 21:45:33.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A96E830:01C11AD3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] To all of you bored people check this out NRR ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C11A99.F3BDB860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK so heres the deal my housemates are fuckin nutz but I love em to = death so heres the current household project if you feel like it let me = know what yah think just remember there is no advertising on this sight = it generates no money and is totally just for fun. http://www.boonestache.com/ I think yoda is my favorite Dancin for SMILES =3D-) Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C11A99.F3BDB860-- From sfraves-return-70168-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:41:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99778 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 17:58:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99767 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:58:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.94.209.1] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:58:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 17:58:00.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB701AB0:01C11B7C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Roll Call: Bubblegum Sci-fi Hi List, So who's all goin to the return of Bubblegum Sci-Fi tonight? Mystere, Dyloot, Tom Slik, Alias and more! Should be a jolly good time for all! For those that don't know, I believe it is 21+ w/ID or fake ID. Say hi..I'll be wearing blue jeans and a gray tanktop...and will be in one place and one place only: the dance floor. See ya'll there! L8 RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "You never lose when you love. You always lose when you hold back." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70169-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:41:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99791 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 17:58:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99768 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:58:29 -0000 Message-Id: <200108021758.KAA17764@scv1.apple.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:58:42 -0700 From: sugam jain Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Cc: ravah luv , To: Kenneth Bice X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Detroit Ghetto-tech this Saturday! Anyone got more info yet? sugam On Wednesday, August 1, 2001, at 11:42 AM, Kenneth Bice wrote: > !!!!GHETTO TECH!!!! > > BIG WOO HOO! > > to bad im gonna be gone or i would be there for sure... > this is dope shit people dont miss it. > > laterz, > > kenneth > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, ravah luv wrote: > >> hi all - >> this isn't my event, it is thrown by Mr. Brown Presents so hopefully >> more >> complete info will be posted this week, >> >> BUT, for everyone out there that love Detroit ghetto-tech sounds, Dj >> Godfather is spinning this Saturday at Kelly's Mission Rock! Its four >> rooms >> of sound and goes till 4 am, 21+ of course, with some electro, hip-hop, >> dancehall, a beatsauce room, and of course Dj Godfather. >> >> Detroit ghetto-tech is sort of like chicago ghetto house sped up, >> mixed with >> fast-ass electro beats, even a bit of jungle, dropped fast and furious >> with >> tons of mixing a beatjuggling and scratching - really different and >> hardly >> ever heard out here in SF. >> >> B >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70223-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:41:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46957 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 23:20:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46942 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 23:20:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802232014.47509.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Presser To: Jamie Murray , sf raves Cc: Orphan List In-Reply-To: <20010802231643.64135.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Fwd: [sfraves] New Anti-E Bill.... WOW, so, uhhhhhhhh, who's making her purr every night??? --- Jamie Murray wrote: > o.k. so i sent the "Anti E Law" post to a few other > list. and this response found it's way back to me > and > i thought i was rather cute in a sense. > > From: "Christina Kittie" > To: dank@deadpig.org, jamiestar13@hotmail.com > Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:41:50 -0400 > Subject: Re:Fwd: [sfraves] New Anti-E Bill.... > > > Im not really worried about it. Of course it upsets > me > [me + dank got into arguements about this before > hehe], but theres ALWAYS going to be raves. Always. > Theres underground parties going on now that not > even > me or you know about, am I rite? So why are you all > going to worry about it. And even when that corny > law > gets passed, we could just start making elite > parties > for those we know [kinda, you know the way it > started]. They can try and try again to take away > this > thing that we love, but its never going to happen. > Not > if we dont let them, and we wont. So all you guys > worried about this, just relax.0=] > > Mwaz, Love > > Christina Kittie > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70239-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:42:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97399 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 03:15:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97388 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 03:15:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.93.100.103] From: "Chris V" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 20:15:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 03:15:06.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EE8E320:01C11BCA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 Yeah, and the bottom line is all that counts. Of course, what was I thinking? >From: "COTS" >To: "Chris V" >CC: >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 >Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:11:34 -0700 > > hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer on a >taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about the >party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom >line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails keep >adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming up....keep >up the good work people.... > >i > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > >"So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." > >I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two >blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby on >board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the >block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we >didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying this >was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. >Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their overzealous >"promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on the >streets. > >-=Chris=- > > >From: "COTS" > >To: "Kenneth Bice" > >CC: > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters >(yea > >F8 > >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's > >purpose... > > > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the > >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i > >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our >meeting > >point. > > > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned >parenthood, > >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... > > > > > >hahaha > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > >To: SF Raves List > >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > >okay so check it, > > > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > >last night and on one of the light poles in the > >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > >this was a light pole towards the back of the > >parking lot and they were almost covered up by > >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > >who was the brilliant person who put them there? > >anyone have any clues? > > > >laterz, > > > >kenneth > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70118-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:42:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89738 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 02:04:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89727 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 02:04:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802020354.47995.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jessica Temptz To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] wAz uP from CALIFORNIARAVES.COM Hey whats up sfraves, this is Jessica from californiaraves.com We are a growing community of ravers (mostly from south cal) and we need more northCali peepz to join! Help us grow! (wAz uPs LadyT- is the name I use on the board) see u there! tell your friends WWW.CALIFORNIARAVES.COM LadyT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70097-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:42:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57931 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 21:48:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57898 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 21:48:47 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:48:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 21:48:16.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABD35520:01C11AD3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Billboard.com on Mekka and LV Creamfields http://www.billboard.com/billboard/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=983119 of particular note, re: the previous nme.com quote/story: "As for Creamfields Las Vegas, the event has been called off due to logistical and other issues. Organizers also unsuccessfully attempted to move the show -- due to feature Fatboy Slim, Orbital, Basement Jaxx, and the Crystal Method -- to Los Angeles or San Francisco." i'd believe Billboard on this one...they have a pretty authoritative reputation, whereas NME--typical of UK press generally and UK music press in particular--sometimes gets important details wrong. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70224-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:42:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49247 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 23:21:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49234 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 23:21:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802232117.55794.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: The Summer To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The Sleeveless Summer Tag-Team Session- TONITE Sleeveless Summer Tag-Team Session!!! tonite- thursday august 2nd... JUJU VS EVA (Phunckateck/Sleeveless) FEMMES FATALES VS TED SHRED (sleeveless/upperplayground) GABE REAL VS JASON GREER (true intent/future breaks fm) SERAPHIM VS FREYA (sister sf) HAVOC VS AYE-N (compression/splank) with AUDIO ANGEL on tha mic (Eklektic/Groundscore) opening set by CODY BREAKER this all goes down tonite at the ROSEWOOD on broadway @ stockton 9-2am 21+ $5 giveaways from Etnies and Upper Playground HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO: eva/seraphim/the summer/ted shred/tessa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70250-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:43:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49066 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 16:43:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49010 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 16:43:41 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:55:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: COME-UNITY TONIGHT!!! Friday August 3, 2001 COME-UNITY......under the stars Simon - Jeno - Phil Smart - Jon Williams Cosmik Jason - Keith O'rielly - Exo Jim Hickin - Johnny Brett - Opium Jones - Adnan MISSION ROCK 817 China Basin - 10pm-4am - 21up w/id 10 before 11:00/$15 after MALACHY ON HOUSE "When used with positive intention, Group energy has the potential to help restore the plan of Love on Earth...When you open your heart, and trust the whole group you dance with; when you feel love with everyone, and they return it, a higher vibration can be reached. This happens when a crowd is deep into the vibe of House...In the true sense of rhythmic movement, the effect is to align the physical, mental and emotional bodies with the Oneness of All that Is...Don't put out negative energy and feelings. Leave the old ways behind. Throw yourself into the winds of transformation and sow the seeds for a new world -- one where the human family is together again. When people respect each and care for each other as a community-organism...Spread the Peace!" Come join us for another evening of unity through house music and dance. Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70251-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:44:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52154 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 16:44:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52144 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 16:44:27 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.1.3] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 09:43:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 16:43:59.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E9C1150:01C11C3B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TONIGHT! AUG 3-Matrix WEST! $10 before 10:30! 9pm-4am!! Hope to see some of you out there tonight! Great vibe with great music and talent!! ;) ::Begin BSP:: Club Matrix West! Located at 1803 Webster St.-Downtown Oakland Information #: 510.596.8909 9pm-4am FULLY Permitted! $10 admission before 10:30 $15 admission after 10:30 18+ with ID please! AUGUST 3rd LINEUP: Room One: The VORTEX-Trance/NRG Thee-O (Biohazard, Los Angeles) :: This man has proved time and time again exactly why he is so popular not only here on the west coast, but the world! The love of the music he displays is almost uncharacteristic with the style he plays, giving the crowd exactly what they need exactly when they need it. With his flawless mixing and jaw-dropping scratching, Thee-O's visit to Northern Cal and Club Matrix is not one to be missed! Michael Liu (Illumination Records/Secret Society) :: One of the Bay Area's best Psy-Trance and Breaks talents.. this man is currently rockin floors all over the west coast! His unique blend of styles will make ya move until the last record stops! Do not miss out on one of the best talents the Bay Area has to offer!! Leon Cook (Nueroscience Creations) :: A South Bay favorite, Leon will be coming to Club Matrix to drop his blend of Dark and Hard NRG. His darker side of NRG will have you wondering why all other NRG doesn't sound like this! A set not to miss! Charlie (Ravepictures.net) :: One of the Progressive/Cybertrance specialists here in the bay, Charlies pure love of the music he plays is reason enough to appreciate what he's all about. Trance heads be ready to dance! DJ Reese (LiquidVinylDJs.com/Spin Knowledge) :: One of the Club Matrix West resident DJs, Reese is establishing himself as one of the best up and coming UK Hard House/NRG DJs in the Bay! Come out to see why people are taking notice of this prodigy! [Room Two: The PALACE-House/Tech-House Justin Hale (Secret Society) :: In my honest opinion one of the best House DJ's I have ever seen! This man can take ya on a funky journey, a deep journey, or a disco journey, or all at the same time! A perfect blend of House from the talent rich South Bay! House fiends: DO NOT MISS HIS SET!! Alain Octavo (FeelGood/Native Vision) :: One of the people behind Anthem on Thursday nights, Alain's love for the music he plays in uncontested! With his name always ending up on favorite DJ lists, he will have you up on your feet from beginning to end, with no rest during! DJ Dennis (Selekta.com/Sagitariun, Sacramento) :: One of the true old school House DJs! This man has almost been around forever.. with his love for music and his talent growing all the time! You will be blown away by his knowledge and love for the music he knows best-House! We at Matrix West highly encourage you not to miss a rare set in the bay from this highly reguarded DJ! Lewis (Spin Knowledge/Knowledge Recordings) :: One of the Club Matrix West Residents, Lewis' love for House music stetches almost 15 years back! Droppin those Funky House beats, be prepared to move as he takes ya from point A to point B on the House music map! DJ Tronic (LiquidVinylDJs.com/Resistance Recordings) :: A last minute addition and change to the lineup, Tronic will be coming in to play Funky/Disco House for the night! Not a permanent change by any means, just a break from the hard bangin beats to provide some spice in his style! Hard filtered disco house is what to expect here.. have your dancing shoes ready! Club Matrix West is brought to you every Friday Night! Do Not miss out on this new Club! Different themes every Friday.. different DJs.. same great vibe! Hope to see you out there! Upcoming Talent: HAPPY HARDCORE/DRUM N BASS/HARD HOUSE: August 10th: Spree (Sonicfury.net, Minneapolis) 2x4 Cloudskipper (LiquidVinylDjs.com/Supernova Recordings), Megatron(MechaSOUL), DJ Tony (Menace Records/Underground Sound Los Angeles) if you'd like to submit a demo to play at Club Matrix West.. feel free to drop me an email at djtronic@liquidvinyldjs.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70194-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:45:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55942 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 20:30:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55929 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 20:30:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [146.74.93.147] From: "Aklaim ." To: frequency-8@squinky.org, Sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:29:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 20:29:46.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEDFA090:01C11B91] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **One Day to BIPPY @ NRGize!!** ONE MORE DAY CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!?!?! Tomorrow marks the return of the long lost KID BIPPY!!!! IF anybody remembers this cat, and I know some of you do, then you remember that this guy can scratch like no other. How many people do you know that can fit 48 tracks on a single CD and have it sound flawless?!?!? Your lucky if you know one!! All peoples over the age of 18 are invited to join us and welcome back a bay area favorite. Tix are at the usual shops. A very high class, techy decor, free water W/lemon if you want;) .....and music kicking your ass all night long. Djs are: KID BIPPY (lotek/powerpill) MORGAN (lotek/hardNRG.com KEMICAL KIDD (lotek/e.t.a.) KEVIN KIND(journees/coolworld) AKLAIM (thump n'loud) ENEMY (skills) SNRGY (tlm/cots) ---------------------------------------------------------- Visit: Aklaim.djcentral.com .....who are you to resist? ---------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70195-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:45:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57206 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 20:30:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57190 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 20:30:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802203035.55307.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: kimba Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net To: Megatron45@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <89.a2d9bf5.289b0af7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr...groundscore @ great america friday i'll be there! woo hooo a day offa work too kimba --- Megatron45@aol.com wrote: > roll call... > whose all goin? i'll be there along with my homegurl > christle and my cousin. > its gonna be a great day for all the junglists > tomarrow. cant wait to check > out the stealth. > > thaMEGATRON > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70201-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:45:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46368 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 21:59:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46358 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 21:59:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh cc: COTS , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 I've had the pleasure of helping throw parties with 1,200+ tickets--we were able to sell out before the event and didn't print ONE single flier. Love and family go alot farther than wastless promotion. It was all family Dj's as well-NO headliners. A scene based on love and family and not on $$ is a better scene... jahsh On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Kenneth Bice wrote: > your really an ass... > > check it though, i wouldnt set foot into cyberfest or f-8. > and i will never attend another cots party because of > something really really jacked one of the crew members > did to me. but the bottom line is this, jsut because you > promote the shit out of your party doesnt mean jack, > you can put flyers on peoples cars most end up on the > ground or in the trash, and just because you post flyers > on light poles doesnt mean shit either. yea the word gets > around but thats just the way it is... i could throw a > party and have donauld glaude there, i wouldnt have to > make flyers or tape them to light poles or anything of > the sort, but because he would be there you know the > party would sell out, its not the crazy promoting people > do its the quality, reputation and talent of a party that > dictates its attendence. > > iight im out. > > laterz, > > kenneth > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, COTS wrote: > > > hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer on a > > taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about the > > party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom > > line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails keep > > adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming up....keep > > up the good work people.... > > > > i > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." > > > > I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two > > blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby on > > board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the > > block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we > > didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying this > > was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. > > Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their overzealous > > "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on the > > streets. > > > > -=Chris=- > > > > >From: "COTS" > > >To: "Kenneth Bice" > > >CC: > > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > > > > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters (yea > > >F8 > > >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's > > >purpose... > > > > > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the > > >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i > > >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our meeting > > >point. > > > > > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned parenthood, > > >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > > > > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... > > > > > > > > >hahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > > >To: SF Raves List > > >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > > > >okay so check it, > > > > > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > > >last night and on one of the light poles in the > > >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > > >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > > >this was a light pole towards the back of the > > >parking lot and they were almost covered up by > > >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > > >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > > >who was the brilliant person who put them there? > > >anyone have any clues? > > > > > >laterz, > > > > > >kenneth > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70119-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:45:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92969 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 02:07:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92959 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 02:07:06 -0000 From: Kbrice67@cs.com Message-ID: <49.ec8c368.289a0fbe@cs.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:06:54 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 113 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Information about "Slow Motion" in L.A.? Does anyone have any information about the event in L.A. on September 15th called "Slow Motion". The lineup is supposed to be Sasha, Digweed, DJ Tiesto, BT, Carl Cox, and more to be announced. At a new venue with a 20,000 capacity. Just wondering if this event is actually happening and if so when tickets will be available Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70172-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:46:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23281 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 18:50:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23257 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 18:50:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.20.165.70] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:49:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 18:49:47.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6ECF840:01C11B83] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Matrix WEST: THIS FRIDAY AUG 3-THEE-O! $10 before 10:30! 9pm-4am!! Alrighty.. here we go again! Hope to see some of you out there.. great vibe in a great place.. all night long! ::Begin BSP:: Club Matrix West! Located at 1803 Webster St.-Downtown Oakland Information #: 510.596.8909 9pm-4am FULLY Permitted! $10 admission before 10:30 $15 admission after 10:30 18+ with ID please! AUGUST 3rd LINEUP: Room One: The VORTEX-Trance/NRG Thee-O (Biohazard, Los Angeles) :: This man has proved time and time again exactly why he is so popular not only here on the west coast, but the world! The love of the music he displays is almost uncharacteristic with the style he plays, giving the crowd exactly what they need exactly when they need it. With his flawless mixing and jaw-dropping scratching, Thee-O's visit to Northern Cal and Club Matrix is not one to be missed! Michael Liu (Illumination Records/Secret Society) :: One of the Bay Area's best Psy-Trance and Breaks talents.. this man is currently rockin floors all over the west coast! His unique blend of styles will make ya move until the last record stops! Do not miss out on one of the best talents the Bay Area has to offer!! Leon Cook (Nueroscience Creations) :: A South Bay favorite, Leon will be coming to Club Matrix to drop his blend of Dark and Hard NRG. His darker side of NRG will have you wondering why all other NRG doesn't sound like this! A set not to miss! Charlie (Ravepictures.net) :: One of the Progressive/Cybertrance specialists here in the bay, Charlies pure love of the music he plays is reason enough to appreciate what he's all about. Trance heads be ready to dance! DJ Reese (LiquidVinylDJs.com/Spin Knowledge) :: One of the Club Matrix West resident DJs, Reese is establishing himself as one of the best up and coming UK Hard House/NRG DJs in the Bay! Come out to see why people are taking notice of this prodigy! [Room Two: The PALACE-House/Tech-House Justin Hale (Secret Society) :: In my honest opinion one of the best House DJ's I have ever seen! This man can take ya on a funky journey, a deep journey, or a disco journey, or all at the same time! A perfect blend of House from the talent rich South Bay! House fiends: DO NOT MISS HIS SET!! Alain Octavo (FeelGood/Native Vision) :: One of the people behind Anthem on Thursday nights, Alain's love for the music he plays in uncontested! With his name always ending up on favorite DJ lists, he will have you up on your feet from beginning to end, with no rest during! DJ Dennis (Selekta.com/Sagitariun, Sacramento) :: One of the true old school House DJs! This man has almost been around forever.. with his love for music and his talent growing all the time! You will be blown away by his knowledge and love for the music he knows best-House! We at Matrix West highly encourage you not to miss a rare set in the bay from this highly reguarded DJ! Lewis (Spin Knowledge/Knowledge Recordings) :: One of the Club Matrix West Residents, Lewis' love for House music stetches almost 15 years back! Droppin those Funky House beats, be prepared to move as he takes ya from point A to point B on the House music map! DJ Tronic (LiquidVinylDJs.com/Resistance Recordings) :: A last minute addition and change to the lineup, Tronic will be coming in to play Funky/Disco House for the night! Not a permanent change by any means, just a break from the hard bangin beats to provide some spice in his style! Hard filtered disco house is what to expect here.. have your dancing shoes ready! Club Matrix West is brought to you every Friday Night! Do Not miss out on this new Club! Different themes every Friday.. different DJs.. same great vibe! Hope to see you out there! Upcoming Talent: HAPPY HARDCORE/DRUM N BASS/HARD HOUSE: August 10th: Spree (Sonicfury.net, Minneapolis) 2x4 Cloudskipper (LiquidVinylDjs.com/Supernova Recordings), Megatron(MechaSOUL), DJ Tony (Menace Records/Underground Sound Los Angeles) if you'd like to submit a demo to play at Club Matrix West.. feel free to drop me an email at djtronic@liquidvinyldjs.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70156-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:46:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63481 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 15:46:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63470 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 15:46:25 -0000 Message-ID: From: Piers Sutton To: Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:44:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11B69.FB347680" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Question # 1: Should promoters advertize more to an older crowd? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11B69.FB347680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hmmm, maybe. I don't mind hanging out with younger people, I just wish there were some older people in the mix (meaning more than 2 or 3 at a 1,000 person event heh). Oh well, TurtleTracks > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Byers [mailto:djstevian@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:37 AM > To: BodhiInSF@aol.com > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 1: Should promoters > advertize more to > an older crowd? > > > They should promote to older crowds. Leave the > massives to promote to the younger crowds. I'm sure > that people who are 21-23 don't mind hanging out with > 18-20 year olds....but people who are 24+ don't really > like to. It's just an age gap thing. I do agree that > there are not alot of clubs that cater to the 21& > younger. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11B69.FB347680-- From sfraves-return-70202-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:46:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48479 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:00:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48469 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:00:06 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.228] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:59:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C11B63.AA440020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 21:59:40.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DCF4F10:01C11B9E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] who.wants.waffle house?? ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C11B63.AA440020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Second time being in Atlanta and there's nothing quite like Waffle House = at 4am! You've got the biggest bunch of tweaked out people working, dirt = cheap food, and good food at that! I want Waffle House out here. Waffle = House is GOOD. I stole a menu from the place and I should scan it so = that all that dunno what I'm talking about can see. Scattered, = smothered, covered, chunked, topped, diced and peppered! 3 people eating = a bigger portion than Denny's for $15 at 4am. Can't find that southern = cooking around here at that price and time! So I say again who wants some waffle house?? ryan ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C11B63.AA440020-- From sfraves-return-70094-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:46:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38996 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 21:39:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38986 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 21:39:36 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.244.2.97] From: "Augie Dogg" To: djhbomb999@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:38:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 21:39:05.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[639C8160:01C11AD2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com the cancellation of creamfields really sucks. i was really looking forward to this event in las vegas! ah, the crackdown on dance culture continues.... augie ----Original Message Follows---- From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:58:34 -0700 http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,38384,00.html "CREAMFIELDS' LAS VEGAS event has been cancelled, NME.COM has learned. The Liverpool superclub's Californian debut was scheduled to take place on September 29. But sources involved in the promotion of the show have revealed that it will not take place as scheduled and there are currently no plans to reschedule it. A proposal to host a smaller event in San Francisco is said to be in discussion." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70166-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:47:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78081 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 17:35:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78064 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:35:11 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org From: Shaman Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org CC: frequency-8@squinky.org, Sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:36:41 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-201-80-14.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.14]; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:35:06 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: F8: **BSP: NRGize August 3rd** Hmm, anyone have the infoline # for this? Bnf, Shaman At Tuesday, 31 July 2001, "Aklaim ." wrote: >>From: "Aklaim ." >>To: frequency-8@squinky.org, djd-list@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: [sfraves] **BSP: NRGize August 3rd** >>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:38:40 -0700 >> >>Coming up this Friday we have a very special event planned for eveyone. >>Its >>been a year since the last Thump N'Loud party and we think its about time >>we >>bring back some of the old UG style. >> >>Dj's for the nite are: >> >>Kid Bipppy (Lotek) >>---old school hardkore hero ---back for some Nu-Nrg Action >> >>Morgan (Lotek/HardNRG.Com >>---American HardNRG pioneer >> >>Kemical Kidd (Lotek/E.T.A.) >>---1/2 of Lotek records/Local Favorite >> >>Aklaim (Thump N'Loud) >>---Not going to toot my own horn...;) >> >>Kevin Kind (Coolworld) >>---Celebrating a record release...some giveaways for some aspiring djs >> >>SNRGY (Cots) >>---A long time bay area faithfull >> >>*********** DENISE aka DJ D WILL NOT BE PERFORMING *************** >> >>Visuals by Viberation, High tech future decor, Free water, Join us for a >>small intamite gathering that will last all nite. Hope to see you all >>there. >>---------------------------------------------------------- >>Visit: Aklaim.djcentral.com .....who are you to resist? >>---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl. asp >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl. asp > >--- >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. org >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70144-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:47:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23077 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 05:23:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23067 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 05:23:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.100.200] From: "DJ Cloudskipper" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:22:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 05:22:36.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[23F03D40:01C11B13] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP Hi Rach, It's actually 18+, not 21+. You do have to be 21+ to drink, though. Hope to see ya there. :) Chris >From: "R Bronstein" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. >BSP >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:01:45 -0700 > >can anyone tell me if its 21+ or not. Thanks > >Rach =} > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "DJ Tronic" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 > >Aight.. just tossin this one out so everyone knows about it early.. make >your plans to get to Club Matrix West-Friday, August 10th!! Here's the >lineup: > >$10 admission BEFORE 10:30 >$15 admission after 10:30 > >Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and Bass-Hardcore > >*Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 Turntables!!** > >:: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* Cloudskipper (Supernova >Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) > >**One of the Most Respected and Best Drum and Bass DJs in the Bay Area** > >:: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) > >.supporting cast. > >: Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova Recordings-Sacramento) >: Mikey J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) >: Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) >: Scotty (Spin Knowledge) > >Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno > >**One of the Most Talented US Hard House Producers Today** > >:: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los Angeles) > >.supporting cast. > >: Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) >: Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) >: Lewis (Spin Knowledge) > >Just lettin everyone know about this one.. should be off the hook! Make the >plans to get there early!! ;) > >Andy >Tronic > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70203-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:47:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50469 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:01:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50459 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:01:10 -0000 Message-ID: <014c01c11b9e$4ec7bc60$1bd2f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "Kenneth Bice" , "COTS" Cc: "Chris V" , References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:58:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 Kenneth Bice wrote: > your really an ass... Thanks for all the love and respect you bring to this community, Kenneth. Your opinion makes a difference. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70174-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:47:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45810 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:01:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45800 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:01:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rhythmdrag.com/adject@rhythmdrag.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:09:51 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: amy m Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: n:CODE @ DNA Lounge - trance The loverly folks at the dna lounge are absolutely tripping over themselves to invite you to n:CODE, this friday, August 3, 2001 at the DNA Lounge. This friday we have a little bit of tech-trance & psychedelic trance to match your full moon momentum. Here's the details... the DNA Lounge righteously presents: n:CODE with specials guests: Jeremiah (Spectral Psy) http://www.spectralpsy.com Rasa (Red Tribe/Love Projectors) plus resident: Ritter Gluck (Infinite Kaos/DNA) http://www.dnalounge.com 375 11th St, San Francisco 415-626-1409 10pm - after hours $10 before 11 / $15 after 21+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70244-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:48:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25797 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 06:47:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25786 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 06:47:17 -0000 From: To: "SF Raves" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:47:08 -0700 Organization: Coolworld Message-ID: <005701c11be8$1d7ae340$0200005a@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C11BAD.711C0B40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Cyberfest Venue information ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C11BAD.711C0B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Im getting a lot of questions still about the Cyberfest venue. Its official. Cyberfest will be held at Cow Palace & grounds. Its still all ages 2pm - 4am ---------- Joey Trance PO Box 20241 El Sobrante, CA 94820 tel: 510 589 3285 fax: 510 752 2331 ---------- ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C11BAD.711C0B40-- From sfraves-return-70175-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:49:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48939 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:02:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48929 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:02:46 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:02:45 -0700 From: vix To: Augie Dogg , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com I know Howlin Bob and wishfm will disagree, and guys I respect your point of view--but commercial events like these will help us far more than hurt. Reality: U.S. ravers, like most, aren't political, aren't organized, spend way too much energy infighting, and for sure aren't rich. It would be nice if these things changed, but in the meantime it will be professional organizations like Creamfields that pay the legal teams, bring in the ACLU, resist the shut-it-all down efforts of the DEA, and establish for good and all the legal right to rave. These things will take money and clout party kids don't have. How else do you expect to counter moves like the government's promise of federal funds to states that close down rave venues? Meanwhile, since law enforcement essentially can't tell an Area:One from a Popsikle or a Cyberfest from Serenity, a variety of "visible" events will benefit from the deep pockets and profit motive of a few. And with each increase in "visible" events the UG will have a much improved chance to get out of the media microscope and regain the invisibility (to the mainstream) it needs to survive and remain UG. I'm sorry when a commercial massive doesn't go off; for whatever reason it was cancelled it's an opportunity missed for the scene as a whole. Remember: you don't have to go to a massive to benefit from this scenario. You don't have to like the people who do go to them, or the people who throw them. It doesn't matter. I swear in some ways the Bay Area is awfully conservative. Who cares what other people do for fun? Let it go. Please consider the logic here. If there is one thing I've learned as an, ahem, older raver it is this: You can never, ever, EVER go back in time and make things the way they used to be. You will always be happier and better off to ride the changes, embrace the new--and whenever possible try to see a few steps ahead down the road. vix > call it commercial failure, cities pulling permits, media scrutinization, > whatever - i'm sure that it would have been a huge success, being nearly two > months away. > > area 51, nation in LA, mekka, creamfields, its certainly unfortunate. > > -augie > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > To: grint418@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from > nme.com > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:45:15 -0700 > >> the cancellation of creamfields really sucks. i was really looking forward >> to this event in las vegas! ah, the crackdown on dance culture >> continues.... >> > > "crackdown"? more like "commercial failure." you know, every single > unfortunate thing that happens to the rave scene isn't the government's > fault. events in all genres of entertainment get cancelled when the > promoter can't sell enough tickets to make a profit. > > --hb > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70225-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:49:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54334 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 23:28:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54324 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 23:28:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: Tera Ball cc: COTS , Chris V , SF Raves List In-Reply-To: <20010802230240.84623.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 ummm, okay first off when did i talk shit about others promotion...? i just made some statements, thats all. and just for your information everyone hasnt told me im completely wrong, only you have... i never said that cots, coolworld or f-8 wasnt good enough for me so stop assuming things your really making an ass out of yourself. also, i wasnt taking my problems out, im sorry if you thought i was, i guess it was just a case of mis-interpretation... i will not shut my mouth, why dont you shut your yap. and i can understand about the location but the light pole that he chose was damn near covered by trees, i would have thought if someone was gonna do that they would have chosen a better light pole... iight im out. laterz, kenneth ps. maybe we should tape you to a light pole on shoreline somewhere, you have a pretty big mouth... im sure you could do wonders for someones promotion. On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Tera Ball wrote: > > Actually YOU are an ass! You come on here trying talk shit about other people's promoting, and then get told. Everyone told you how completely wrong you were. Don't talk shit. And don't take out your problems on other people. Sorry if COTS, Coolworld, and F8 are not good enough for you. But a lot of other people like them. So shut your mouth. > And on another note, the place they put up those flyers was perfect! Think about it! > Right next to Shoreline. That was the exact type of people they want to promote to. > Kenneth Bice wrote: your really an ass... > > check it though, i wouldnt set foot into cyberfest or f-8. > and i will never attend another cots party because of > something really really jacked one of the crew members > did to me. but the bottom line is this, jsut because you > promote the shit out of your party doesnt mean jack, > you can put flyers on peoples cars most end up on the > ground or in the trash, and just because you post flyers > on light poles doesnt mean shit either. yea the word gets > around but thats just the way it is... i could throw a > party and have donauld glaude there, i wouldnt have to > make flyers or tape them to light poles or anything of > the sort, but because he would be there you know the > party would sell out, its not the crazy promoting people > do its the quality, reputation and talent of a party that > dictates its attendence. > > iight im out. > > laterz, > > kenneth > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, COTS wrote: > > > hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer on a > > taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about the > > party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom > > line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails keep > > adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming up....keep > > up the good work people.... > > > > i > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." > > > > I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two > > blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby on > > board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the > > block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we > > didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying this > > was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. > > Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their overzealous > > "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on the > > streets. > > > > -=Chris=- > > > > >From: "COTS" > > >To: "Kenneth Bice" > > >CC: > > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > > > > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters (yea > > >F8 > > >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's > > >purpose... > > > > > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the > > >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i > > >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our meeting > > >point. > > > > > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned parenthood, > > >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > > > > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... > > > > > > > > >hahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > > >To: SF Raves List > > >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > > > >okay so check it, > > > > > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > > >last night and on one of the light poles in the > > >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > > >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > > >this was a light pole towards the back of the > > >parking lot and they were almost covered up by > > >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > > >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > > >who was the brilliant person who put them there? > > >anyone have any clues? > > > > > >laterz, > > > > > >kenneth > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70173-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:50:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35061 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 18:54:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34905 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 18:53:56 -0000 From: "Rising Sun Management" To: "Nw-Raves@Hyperreal. Org" Cc: , , "Mtn-Raves" , , "Nyc-Raves" , "Pb-Cle-Raves" , "sacraves" , "Sfraves" , , "Scr" , "Txraves" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:03:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Rising Sun Management roster and tours- frankie bones, heather heart, adam x tour still booking! Rising Sun Management: Roster- SUMMER –2001 727 BELLEVUE AV EAST #202 SEATTLE WA 98102 – 206-322-9955PH fax 646-304-4088 westair@speakeasy.org TOURS : NOW BOOKING FOR OCTOBER – DECEMBER- SONIC GROOVE TOUR: FEATURING FRANKIE BONES- NYC HEATHER HEART- NYC ADAM X- NYC Rotating dates: NIEL LANDSTRUMM- GERMANY/NYC DIETRICH SCHOENEMANN-NYC READE TRUTH- NYC Email bids for the tour to westair@speakeasy.org NOW BOOKING FOR SEPTEMBER- DECEMBER- “GROOVE THE MOVIE” featuring dj forest green- sf- sister and dj bing ching aka dj snazz ARTISTS: Neil Landstrumm- Tresor- LIVE PA, DJ - NYC/GERMANY Landstrumm 's body of work spans from 1994-2000. He has recorded for some of the most influential labels in techno, including Tresor, Peacefrog, Scandinavia, Sativae, Mosquito and Sonic Groove building up an extensive discography. His own imprint, Scandinavia, now enjoys worldwide recognition for being one of the few labels still innovating in the field of techno and digital design. After attending Edinburgh University, Scotland both friendships and working relationships were formed in 1994 between a group of artists that provided the infrastructure of what was to unfold. The up front and heavy Sativa club provided the focus of creative attention between Neil, Tobias Schmidt, Shandy and David Tarrida providing them with the opportunity to develop their unique Live performance and DJing skills. During this forming period the distinctive "Landstrumm Peacefrog sound" was created which debuted on four E.Ps and one L.P in 1995. Strong connections and E.P. releases were also made on Cristian Vogels' Mosquito label in Brighton and Adam X's SonicGroove label in NYC during this period. Adam x- sonic groove- nyc By continuing to defy Any system of classification and through the proper utilization of undeniable ability; Brooklyn based DJ Adam X has remained one step ahead throughout the past decade. Somehow reversing his path from grafittic delinquency into supreme technocracy, his DJ and recording artist career has brought him all over the globe and made his a familiar name. Along with his older brother Frankie Bones and Heather Heart, the capable Adam X is co-owner of Sonic Groove. His desire to find and expose records and talent plus his impeccable knowledge of the music industry and the records involved within makes him the obvious choice as the stores main record buyer. Responsible for the creation and direction of the infamous Sonic Groove record label; his A&R technique has helped develop many familiar names amongst New York artists and has also introduced brilliant European musicians such as the Distorted Waves of Ohm, Neil Landstrumm and Justin Berkovi to the United States market. Adam X explores the dark side of techno in his own productions. His work compounds abrasive rhythms, futuristic sounds and a raw urban style. His discography includes landmark releases on labels such as Direct Drive, Drop Bass Network, Peacefrog, Sativae, Scandinavia, Wax Trax and many others. www.sonicgroove.com Stewart Walker- Persona Records, Force Inc, M-nus- Boston- LIVE PA Stewart Walker is one of the most interesting new techno acts in recent years to have emerged from the US. Long considered more of a “ambient” or experimental artist, stewarts live sets are both interesting to listen to as well as very danceable. He strongly Feels that when playing a dance event, that its his job to move the dancefloor, which he does rather well. Between 1997 and 1999 he began releasing his first 12îs on US labels such as Matrix (Detroit) Belief Systems (San Francisco) and Tektite (Austin). These successful releases brought Stewartís music to the attention of Cristian Vogel leading to a release on the prestigious Mosquito label in late 1998. In the Winter of early 1999 Stewart traveled to Germany for his first European tour. In additon to performing, he traveled to Berlin and met with the kind people of Tresor records who were so impressed with his demo, they signed a 12î the same weekend that they first heard it. This connection with Tresor led to more European tours throughout 1999 and 2000. During the Summer of 1999, while Stewart was living in Washington, DC he sat down in his studio apartment with the primary goal of writing his first album. The resultant work called ìStabilesî was released by Force Inc. Music Works of Germany and considered a major critical success. It was based on pushing techno music away from the clubs and into a more home-listening environment. He based the individual tracks on the cast-iron sculptures of Alexander Calder, and thus took the title of the album from Calderís series of the same name. Stabiles prompted a US tour in the winter of 2000 with Kit Clayton across the Northeast and Midwestern United States. In the Summer of 2000 Stewart decided to take a break from living in the US in order to check out what it was like to live the immersive techno lifestyle in Berlin. It was during the Love Parade of this summer that he connected with Cocoon Music Events who have now become his European and Asian-territory booking agent. Finally, 2001 marks the year that Stewart is creating his first label: Persona records. The purpose of the label is to provide a single point of promotion for Stewart’s music so that it is easier for fans to keep track of each individual release. The other benefit of restricting the music to a single source is so the style of his music can be followed more clearly and the continuity of the Stewart Walker sound makes itself more readily apparent. 6/2001 http://www.personarecords.net Dj XS – Sister- SF This native Welsh woman doesn't let the grass grow under her feet: Six years organizing events and three years of drum and bass and breaks DJing in her adopted hometown of San Francisco and the pace has been blistering. Founder of the infamous Sister SF collective, she’s been instrumental in promoting women DJs, as well as touring the world in pursuit if funk. Gigs in Italy, Germany and London have also given her the opportunity to spread the San Francisco sound worldwide, with appearances at this year's Burning Man Black Rock generating a duststorm of bass and breakbeats. Last year she toured the North West coast, and found herself back in Europe mashing it up from London to Prague, Barcelona to Venice. Disco D- Gti Recordings – Detroit At the young Age of 19, Disco D had already established himself as one of the leading players in the fledgling new genre – Ghettotech. Described by Details Magazine as a phenom, Blowing away DJs twice his age, D has already received critical acclaim worldwide as both as dj and producer. His records have been spun by a diverse range of DJs, from dj Funk to Laurent Garnier. Combining elements of turntablism, and sheer booty bass, Disco D is rocking dancefloors everywhere. www.gtirecordings.com Craig Belford- Redanka ,Tarantella, Rip Records – Birmingham, England : One of the creators of the new deep progressive sound which has been the rage for all of the top progressive djs as of late, 26 year old Craig Belford a DJ of seven years is the latest member of the Rip Records clan. A co producer with Rednaka and Tarantella on many of their tracks, Including a few that were featured on Sasha and john Digweed’s cd’s. He also recently worked on a remix for Danny Tenegila when he visited their studio, cable recordings. He started at a small club north of london on Saturday and Friday nights, and soon both of these nights were booming and with a demand for more entertainment they held regular boat parties on the River Severn first on Sunday afternoons then moving to Saturday nights. Never one to stand still Craig parted company with the owners and was soon getting work stateside playing at nights from NYC to the Las Vegas. On returning to the UK he sold his car and set up a modest studio at his home in Staffordshire. He is currently collaborating with Andy Moor of Baroque fame, with future solo projects being released under the Rip Records imprint. At present work is under way on a purpose built studio within the Cable Chamber complex to allow Craig to re-locate his equipment. More info : www.riprecords.com Scott Ritchmond: Satillite Records, NYC One of the originators of the NYC rave scene, Scott is the primary buyer for the top record store in the country. What does that mean? He has ALL the best records, and can play just about any genre. An East Coast favorite, he has rocked parties all over the globe with his signature sound. His 15 years of deck experience has brought him residencies at the top clubs in NYC, such as tunnel, twilo, limelight, and many more. Justin Johnson- KING SIZE : NYC- Breakbeats , House Justin Johnson ( King-Size USA, Barely Legal, Cable, Satellite NYC ) Known as "The Pride of King-Size", DJ/ Producer Justin Johnson has been rocking the dancefloors of North America for over 15 years. Justin originally began DJ'ing back in '86 on his high school radio station. San Francisco lost its heart when "Big Double J" packed his bags for NYC over 6 years ago. He began working at Satellite Records in New York City over 4 years ago and since then has become a buyer and the stock manager. Justin's mix of funky breakbeats and funky house has made him a favorite at countless raves, clubs, and special events. His mixtape series has been applauded for his flawless mixing skills and eclectic record selection. Justin's production skills only add to his talent arsenal. He has received great reviews and sales on tracks like '97's "Laser Blast", '98's "Cranberry Breaks", '99's "Supernatural"(w John Selway) on Don't Panic Records, and of course the overwhelming success of his own label Barely Legal Records featuring raw breakbeat tracks like "All the Ho's" & "Hot Butta" by King-Size founder Scotty Marz. He is considered the "King of Breaks" in the north east. Never satisfied, he has started a house label called Cable Recordings with fellow buyer at Satellite and best friend DJ 3PO. As he prepares to release Barely Legal's third offering and Cable's first offering, Justin continues to amaze the crowds with his live skills and please listeners alike with his new and original efforts. Roman- FTT : Seattle- techno / tech house Roman has been rocking dancefloors all over the nation for the last 6 years. Joining the Elite ranks of the dj collective, Funky Tekno Tribe, Roman has been spreading his sound of deep, bass heavy, FUNKY techno all across North America. With skills as sharp as a razorblade, Roman can be seen slicing and dicing up heady tracks all over the continent. He also will be releasing his first tracks here within the year- For more info, check out www.djroman.com Tamara- GT : Seattle -Jungle “Our lady of drum and bass”- Considered by many to be the best female drum and bass dj in the northwest, or even by some, the best drum and bass dj in the northwest! Tamara is a also classically trained musician, and vocalist. Tamara started her career in the northwest underground scene, playing small parties, but soon was recognized as a great talent to be reckoned with. In 1999 she toured with Ani Defranco as her opening dj, and since then, has never looked back. Fresh off a european tour, and soon to head out to Australia, Tamara is storming dancefloors with her innovative style, tight mixing, and energy. For more info- check out her sets on www.groovetech.com Forest Green: Sister SF, Organized Chaos, :SF: Techno The year 2001 has been a busy one for Forest. Since the success of the indie movie “Groove”, she has been traveling almost non stop, to all points throughout North America, and is soon to set off on a European Tour. Currently one of the most busy and popular DJs from The Bay area, Forest finds little time to rest. Her sound could be described as hard, driving, techno, with a trancey edge at times, moving into solid booty shaking electro. She has been known also to play a wicked 3 deck set. She is a resident of the prestigious all female DJ collective, sisterSF, as well as a member of the underground crew Cloudfactory. She also has started a new project with member Chris Burfine called Organized Chaos, which combines djing and live video presentation, synced to the music. The movie Groove has a bit to do with Forests popularity, but once people see her spin, it’s all about her skills. For more info check out: http://www.technoheaven.com/dj/forestgreen http://www.angelfire.com/rant/burf/ocenter.html http://www.sistersf.com Joe Rice : F & F, Cloudfactory, XLR8R, : San Francisco : House When Joe isn’t busy writing for industry mag XLR8R, he is out everywhere playing underground Parties and clubs in the bay area scene, and all over the west coast. One of the legends of the San Francisco Underground, Joe has been known to play a wicked abstract set in many of the chill rooms throughout the Bay Area, or make your booty shake on the main floor with his intelligent house, and techno. His underground credibility has brought him gigs all over the world, from Tokyo to London. See why Joe is one of The best the Bay Area has to offer. For more info check out : http://www.justiceleague.com/agents/joe.html DJ Tracy : Groovetech, Silver Pearl Records : SF : House Tracy has been bringing her Funky San Francisco House sound all over the world for the last 10 years. Getting her start on the decks in 93’ Tracy has been a part of Bay Area dance culture Since its early roots. Tracy has held residencies with legends such as the wicked crew, and many other established house djs. Look for her most recent Release on Silver Pearl, www.djtracy.com Dj Seraphim : SisterSF : SF : Jungle Seraphim was nominated as the best drum and bass DJ in the bay area in 2000, and the amount of gigs she gets shows why. After studying jazz in college, she picked up spinning records and has developed a wickedly unique style of spinning, which has garnished her praise throughout the Bay Area. Traveling almost every weekend now, she spends her free time making tracks in her home Studio. She plans on starting her own label soon- For more info check out www.sistersf.com or www.djseraphim.com. DJ Grover: Balance Promotion Group : Seattle : Trance A member of the prestigious Balance promotion group, which includes legendary trance DJs such as Taylor and Christopher Lawrence, Grover has been bringing his smooth progressive sound all over the nation for over 8 years. Getting his start in Las Vegas, Grover moved to Seattle in 1997 and helped found the infamous underground trance crew, FUTURE TRANCE FOUNDATION, which helped spawn the flourishing Trance scene in Seattle. Currently he is starting a new label, which will feature releases of many popular us Trance artists and local Seattle artists. His djing has been described as flawless, because of his intelligent use of keymixing and flow. He is one of the few DJs out there that can make a junglist dance to tranceJ Mike Stevens : groovetech, UN : Seattle : Funky House A Northwest Legend. Mike has been rocking dancefloors all over the US now for 15 years. His sound? House music. Considered by almost everyone to be the most talented dj out of Portland, where he got his start, in 1987 at a teen club, Mike has played with just about everyone who is anyone in house music. He has traveled the globe, playing everywhere from Canada, (vancouver is his favorite city ) to Tokyo, Mike is known to drop tracks that make people run to the dancefloor and not stop dancing until his set is over. His infectious sounds has brought him residencies from Seattle- to Los Angeles, and now is producing his own party once a month @ ISPY in Seattle. If you like Thick, Chunky,House, this is the guy for you. Check out his sets on groovetech.com, you will like what you hear if you like house music. Chris Burfine: Organized Chaos, F & F, Cloudfactory : SF :electro One of the freshest new djs to come out of sf in a while, Chris is one of those djs that plays Just booty shakin techno, not too hard, but definitely rump shakin’ and fun. As ½ of Organized Chaos, He Has been traveling all over the country with Forest Green as of late, spreading that techno sound that people are really turning on to this year. Check out www.burfine.com for more info. Slobodan: Compound, Planet Rhythm : Sweden : tribal techno We are proud to represent this amazing techno terrorist from sweden. With over 20 releases under his belt, Slobodan has been shredding dancefloors with his three turntable trickery all over the US this Spring. He and his brothers in Headroom, are to be the next big thing in Techno for sure, as almost every techno dj has at least one of his cuts in their box. Phil Chan : Southern Outpost: Sydney, AUS / Seattle : techno Phil is one of those rare gems that pops up out of nowhere and blows you away with his skills. He can play literally almost any techno style, from ghettotech, to electro, to banging Jeff mills style drummy techno, to Detroit. He is one of those DJs that makes other DJs stop what they are doing and stare- he simply rocks. Holding a residency at the Aristocrats Nightclub, he has been known to literally play with peoples minds with his reckless mixing and fresh track selection. Also, he has released some of the best electro records to come out in the past year on his label out of Sydney, Southern Outpost. He is seriously- the next best thing in techno. Kundabuffer: Inertia Labs, NBH, UN: Seattle : techno Jess, Aka Kundabuffer, is one of the DJs that deifies categorization: He plays almost everything except house and jungle. He got his start with the underground crew INERTIA LABS who currently represent the best parties that the Seattle Underground has to offer. He plays everything from really mental trance, (real trance, no fluff) To ambient, to Psychedelic Trance, to Techno and Tech House. His mixing is solid; and track selection is always superb. He is one of those DJs in Seattle who are on a meteoric rise right now, and soon will be up there with the top trance acts in the country. BuBu: UN, NRR, Electric Shamen, NBH : Seattle : techno Bubu has had many incarnations over the past 10 years: He started as a promoter in the early 90’s by producing what was the 3rd rave in Seattle History, with a crew called the prophets of psyche. He then moved on to throwing events as Headstrong Productions, then Cat in the Hat, and Everfresh. Always trying something new, he has produced over 100 raves and parties in 5 states and 2 countries. After getting bored of throwing massives in 96, he turned to more underground events in 1996 and Djing. He Started as a ambient DJ, then moved onto trip hop and house. Getting bored again, he moved onto breaks and then onto trance. All during this time he started infamous crews such as NEW DAWN COLLECTIVE, FTF, and NRR, who currently produce the SUNDAZED parties, which are free parties in the parks of Seattle, 12 times during the Summer. Besides producing quality parties, he is quite the talented DJ, and now plays his true love, TECHNO. His style ranges from dubby techno, to hard banging tech house, to smooth electro. He has played all over the country, in places such as NYC, SF, Dallas, LA, Portland, Vancouver, and holds 2 residencies in Seattle. For Online mixes: check www.oseao.com for his archives. Michael Knight: Satellite Records: NYC : techno, house Michael has been involved with techno culture since it’s inception in the early 1990’s. His Floor filling Techno Sound has been the rage all over the US and abroad this year, bringing Him to places like London, Spain, and even Panama on a Monday night! His popularity has Brought him up to be one of the top artists on the djlist.com, and his wicked skills are why. Check him out! Zacharia- 360 bpm: Seattle- Jungle Widely credited with the creation of the drum and bass movement in Seattle. The only US based dj to play @ the top drum and bass party as last years WMC. Pure Science behind the decks. Zach Means all that and more, as the top northwest drum and bass dj, and pretty much, in many peoples eye’s the best drum and bass dj on the west coast. More info: www.360bpm.com Beau Monde- Live PA: Seattle – tech trance Beau Monde is one of those live pa’s that you know one day will be doing a headlining tour with Someone like Moby, and have hit records being played on every radio station.- Beau Monde consists of Michael Greenwood, who combines an incredible Visual show with state of the art intelligent lighting, and blisteringly hard and funky trance. Ranging from psychedelic to beautiful morning sounds, and incredible stage presence, Beau Monde WILL be the next big thing in trance. Get him now, while he is still a reasonable price, trust us, he is WORTH every PENNY! Animated Fusion : live fire performance art : Seattle Animated fusion, now Seattle’s most popular fire performance freakshow, is comprised of former members of MAGMAVOX, which was widely considered the top fire performance troupe second to Cirque de Soliel. Magmavox performed all over the country and North America, for many high profile events, like the Coachella festival in California, which was organized by Perry Farrel. Animated fusion combines circus style tricks, with amazing acrobatics and high risk fire performance. They are availble for everything from small intmate club events, to massive events. They can involve as little as 2 members, to as many as 14 depending on the budget and needs for the performance. This high risk entertainment will set your event apart from many others, as crowds love them, for their insane performances and sheer presense. They also dress in elaborate costumes which have been known to dazzle crowds. Make your event Different- Book animated Fusion. Check out www.animatedfusion.com Jerry Abstract: Detroit/Seattle - techno / Electro / idm One of the resident DJ’s for the IMFAMOUS plus 8 parties in Detroit, Jerry blends solid classic Detroit minimalism and Electro with modern Techno solidly on three decks. Moving to Seattle in the summer of 1999, Jerry has established himself here also as one of the top techno djs in the Northwest. He also recently started a residency @ groovetech- check out his online sets there! Born into, educated in, influenced under and humbled survivor of Detroit, Michigan. Amoungst splunking through the many abondoned striations of the city I grew up on listening to punk and indy rock, electronic pop, industrial rhythms, Electrifying Mojo and The Wizard, early hip hop, anything abnormally oriented and those strange intuitions (voices) that are helping me get to where I need to be. I started curling up inside speakers and attending underground events in 1991 while having social, personal and universal revelations about the peacefully chaotic importance of every-one-thing. I began to practice the art of DJing in the month of November many years ago, and I've always collected records and made the effort to remember every sound I hear. After many exhausting lessons I moved onward, in late 1999, to Seattle where I continue to seek out the abstract essence that inspires us all ..... music. [inertia labs] : Seattle : ambient, psytrance, noise : performance art, immersive enviorments Who is inertia labs? Inertia labs is the brainchild of DJ Muschi, who created this crazed production group back in the fall of 1997. In 4 short years, Inertia Labs has become probably the most infamous underground production collective in the northwest. Their parties, are highly sought out by northwest groovers. Often are only word of mouth, and many times are outdoors and renegade, these events have taken the northwest dance scene by the cuff and given it a good shake or 2. When there is a inertia labs event, expect utter chaos. From the crazed antics of kundabuffie, the drag queen tarot reader, to fire performance, to immersive ambient environments, Inertia Labs creativity has shocked and rocked many people. Musically, they can do anything from full on psychedelic trance madness to dreamy chill sounds- give them a palette, and they create beautiful art that is to be revered by all. Now they are taking their madness on the road, book them for an event and expect to get mindfucked. They do most of the chill rooms at parties in the northwest because of the fact that they create such crazy environments for people to be in, and have such insane antics that everyone remembers. Musically, they are diverse, and innovative, the bliss brothers a part of the troupe )sets have been known to make kids cry and lift their spirits at the same time. Check them out! www.mutated.org SWANK : nrr, UN, Rising Sun : Seattle : HOUSE Swank began his dj career under the tutalage of dj &E in the spring of 1998. His influences are from the disco sounds of chicago, and the funky sounds of San Francisco, giving him a really nice blended house sound. He right now, is the most popular up and coming house dj in the northwest, playing all over the west coast, and playing literally 3 times a week sometimes even more. Check out nwtekno.org for all the threads praising his talent: he literally understands what makes people dance, and smile. His plans for now? Global domination, to make every groover he plays for shake that azz.... Dandelion collective : Seattle : Visual Art The dandelion collective are a group of visual artists who have dedicated themselves to Using their talent with video manipulation to create moods and really liven events. They are widely acknowledged as the top visual artists within the confines of the northwest- check them out! www.dandelion.org Bing Ching : GROOVE THE MOVIE : Los Angeles, CA After the release of the movie groove, Bing has been playing all over the US and Canada. His style? Really Deep Progressive house and some funky trance. And no, He doesnt trainwreck Like he did in the movieJ Dj NAHA : system 6, - Seattle : hardcore, breaks, techno In 1996 NAHA began collecting vinyl and took up djing as a hobby. Over the next few years she would experiment with different styles from deep techno to Chicago hard house, yet stayed true to her original love for breakbeats by throwing them into her techno sets. In December of 1998 NAHA started her weekly internet broadcast show on www.Groovetech.com, which allowed her to further her expansion of mixable genres and refine her skills, often playing everything from hip-hop and downtempo to hard techno and breaks. The show still airs every Tuesday from 2-4 pm pacific time. In 98 NAHA also added hardcore to her repertoire, and set out to create a new scene in Seattle. In 2000 NAHA decided to bring hardcore to Seattle full-force. Where there had been no hardcore scene a few years before, she quickly began winning people over with her fresh style of hard beats overlaid with hard jungle and hip-hop, proving that hardcore could be both funky and danceable. It was a combination that worked, and has made NAHA one of the most popular dj's in the northwest. She released Some Like It Hard, a 90 min mix that finally broke her out of Seattle and started her down the coast, headlining parties in Portland, Eugene, Medford, and San Francisco NAHA was named "Best Seattle Club DJ of 2000" by the editors of CitySearch.com She just recently released her first track on sub pop records, “called wreck everything”She is a resident DJ at Breakthru, a breakbeat night at the Back Door Lounge in Seattle. With her arsenaof hardcore, techno, and breaks, she knows how to rock the dance floor, switch it up, and keep it fresh. Her current mix CD Bring It To the Table showcases her signature style of hardcore laced with hard jungle rhythms and gritty hip-hop elements. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70204-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:51:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55297 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:04:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55287 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:04:21 -0000 From: C99Maximum@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:03:55 EDT To: lmaar@au-ins.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, raver@sarilion.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bf.11cb16dc.289b284b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? --part1_bf.11cb16dc.289b284b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit andrew weatherall, artful dodger, m.j cole, and delerium that would be sweet :) hugz caroline In a message dated 8/2/2001 1:10:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lmaar@au-ins.com writes: > > Thee-O. > > =P > > ----- > Laurence Maar > Developer, Alliance United > ----- > What was wrong with it? Too hot? Too sticky? Too stringy? > Stick in your throat? Gotta know how to work it, baby! ;) > **karen** > ----- > All I wanna know is where this hickey lookin thing on my thigh and the > bruises on my knees came from. > - Sadie > ----- > Enregistre ce document sur ton disque dur? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raver" > To: "sf" > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:08 PM > Subject: RE: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? > > > > adam X > > > > *cough* > > > > sarilion > > > > At 10:00 AM 8/2/2001 -0700, Piers Sutton wrote: > > >Josh Wink :) > > > > > >TurtleTracks > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: k-boy allstar [mailto:junglejunkie1@hotmail.com] > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:00 AM > > > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; sacraves@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J-smooth (GFS Philadelphia) Jump up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --part1_bf.11cb16dc.289b284b_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70117-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:51:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80165 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 01:47:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80153 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 01:47:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Testing... Thank you for your time, just testing the effectiveness of a recent procmailrc voodoo ritual. <3, andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70252-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:51:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60505 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 16:51:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60493 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 16:51:42 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:50:30 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 2: Should all parties be 18 and over? i think as long as there are costly and arguous permitting processes for throwing parties, that you're going to continue to see undergrounds that have all ages parties, because they're already doing something illegal, and some of the groups cater to the 15 year old high school kid...which is ok by me if they are doing it in a safe location. of course, the government disagrees and now tries to prosecute those who display signs of drug use, though one really *can* take ecstacy and not be using a pacifier... i think it would be unfair to pass a kind of judgement on kids under 18 and say there should be no parties for them, only that i think there ought to be more safer venues and the permitting process shouldn't be so strict (like i was looking into throwing a party in oakland, and they wanted like $5000 to pay for extra police officers) ... getting a crew together to spin some records in a warehouse shouldn't cost as much as a hollywood production to put on. the war on fun is best combatted, i believe, by doing the types of things that the sflnc, dancesafe, the nyclnc, the aclu, and the em:def are doing now, and that is combatting unreasonable restrictions on and protecting the interests of the dance community at large. > What do you think of the idea of abolishing "all ages" parties with >parties being strictly 18 and over, and promoters having more day parties >where those under 18 can attend? Would 18+ parties clean up a lot of problems >that are giving our scene a bad rap in the out side world, or would it not >make any difference one way or the other? > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70226-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:52:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56967 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 23:30:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56957 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 23:30:31 -0000 Message-ID: <01c401c11baa$ca109840$1bd2f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , , References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:28:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com DJ Howlin' Bob wrote: > to support the UG entails--at least to > some extent--choosing it over the mainstream, doesn't it? Yes. I've said as much in many posts. I've probably just used more words to get the same simple thought across. > I wrote: > > >If we should learn something from the past it's that we can't stop the > >commercialization. > > see, that's where i disagree...to say "we can't stop it" is awfully close to > saying "surrender to it." and there are--still--underground scenes and > bands (Fugazi being one shining example) who have, as the saying goes, "kept > it real." Saying we can't stop it is not the same as saying, "surrender to it." My point is that commercialization is going to take place but that the UG can survive despite that fact. Afterall, Fugazi didn't stop the commercialization of the punk scene; they just continued to exist below the surface. I think part of vix's argument is that commercial massive events will attract the attention of government and the media away from the small UG parties. Sure, they attract more attention to the whole scene, but if most of that attention is directed at massives that are advertised on the radio, who cares?. My point is to remain vocal about which is the real scene and committed to keeping the UG alive and thriving. > history may well be repeating itself (as it tends to do without conscious > effort to change direction). I think this thread, as well as many others, is evidence that there is at least some conscious effort to change things. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70149-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:52:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89564 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 08:11:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89542 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 08:11:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:13:44 -0700 From: Evan In-reply-to: To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, scr@socal-raves.org, nw-raves@hyperreal.org, Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Compound Records SF now open at new address Compound Records is now open for business at our new address: 597 Haight St @ Steiner San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Hours: M-F 11-8, Sat/Sun 12-8 We are in the Lower Haight which is extremely accessible by public trans. We've beefed up our CD selection and soon plan to have a large merchandise selection available. Also, we're currently having a $1 mixtape sale on tons of titles as well as a $3 sale on white label records from the past 6 months. Our phone # is the same (415-864-8309) and so is our web site address: http://www.compoundrecords.com. Location info below. Thanks for your support! http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address+Below&add r=597+Haight+St&csz=94117&country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70245-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:52:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35694 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 09:40:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35628 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 09:40:32 -0000 From: "donbrannon" To: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 02:51:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] This is one long post My M.O. seems to be to lurk in deep thought then to post a particularly long and heavy duty email about all the stuff I have been thinking about. I'm not sure why I do this versus posting frequent concise emails, maybe it is just who I am on this list. I feel pleased with a small portion of the scene I have become involved with, the undergrounds I have been attending have come through on all of the aspects of a party that really make a difference to me now. On the other hand I read this list and see what is going on in the commercial scene and I see a great deal of angst being expressed along with a desire for change. I feel all of this angst expressed on the list and within our scene is a collection of symptoms pointing toward a greater systematic illness. We let ourselves become sick by not engaging in preventative medicine against our own American society. We let the block party die, it's no longer fashionable to gather your neighbors in an effort to bond entire families for the purpose of a strong friendship based community. The town hall or town square is gone. The general store where an entire community shops is gone. We let our social "centers" dissolve and become replaced with decentralized centers for self-gratification. The "me" generation is in full effect now and has become part of the American dream through complacency. We don't know our neighbors because deep in our minds we feel they can't do anything for us compared with the Starbuck's, CostCo, Walmart, and Home Depot right around the corner. Many of us no longer enjoy people for who they are compared with valuing them for what they can do for us. The bay area has had ten plus years of raving, which to me seems the amount of time it has taken to develop a local rave scene to an adolescent stage of its life. In the very beginning it was something for a small group of eccentric and creative people unsatisfied with the social structures placed upon them, many of whom were seeking a bond with people unavailable in everyday life. Each year more people enter our bay area scene without a sense of where it all started and without a well developed personal philosophy toward the activity. A scene that was made up of whole families of philosophers, dreamers, and lovers became a scene made up mostly of consumers. We let ourselves become sick and are finally starting to vomit this consumerism right in the face of those who twisted a loving paradigm for their own benefit. Despite this purge I feel we are still fighting the symptoms of it all rather than curing the illness. Here are some actions that I feel could address the illness... 1. Encourage philosophy and thought. Why do you rave? It is an excellent question that doesn't get asked enough between people. It is a totally open ended question that can lead someone toward a sense of deeper meaning and value. I encourage everyone to have a good answer for this question. 2. Encourage the whole inward and outward experience. Raving doesn't have to be just about the music. It can be about physical expression through dance and reaching out with your personality. It can be about making friendships and forming families where none existed. It can be about personal spiritual growth and shared spiritual growth. It can be about explored creativity. It can be about all the senses and the joy they bring you. Make of it what you will. 3. Support those who provide social "centers" and social experiences over those who push a product. Isn't it great meeting someone at the local record store? A record store can be a social "center" and those store owners that have the available space should use it as such because it strengthens the community that supports their business which in turn provides much of the music; it's a loving circle good for everyone. Coffeeshops, cafes, and other places can be gathering places and I am sure many would welcome a synergistic relationship with what our scene has to offer. I take a look at a city like Amsterdam where they are short on available space and are population dense and I see music of all kinds everywhere, including businesses that do not even have dancefloors. They are saturated with underground DJs. We haven't even come close to bringing the music to everyone in the community based way that strengthens the scene. Many promoters still seem to be pushing the music as a marketable product to businesses and individuals rather than a community building service that provides value beyond the dollar. I feel it would be healthy if more weekend daytime houred businesses had some local underground DJs working the groove. This and some regular good day parties would go along way toward reaching greater acceptance. 4. Become a source for good information. The outside world fears our culture because it is something they do not fully understand. The more of us that can speak to any element of the scene in question the better. I find when I am positive and tell reasonable people who question me the absolute whole truth about it all they walk away with some respect for why we celebrate the way we do. Of course what this means is that to be a good source of information you have to seek a great deal of it from the people around you as well as many other great online and offline sources. 5. Encourage exploration and wise choices. There are many different sides to our dance culture that can all be explored. Along the way there are many wise choices that can be made that support a feeling of togetherness and enjoyment. As well, there are wise choices that can be made that reduce the sense of consumerism that our scene seems to struggle with. Now if you have gotten this far, kudos because you are probably saying this is all common sense. It certainly is but when thought of in a sense of changing society so we gain acceptance, having more and more well principled small families of ravers doesn't sound like a bad idea over trying to come together in the thousands. "Commonplace" is a powerful concept when thinking about our society and how we can change it. Massives and the "frontal assault" are not working, let's flank our own American society in ways they least expect it. Let's beat the illness. My best wishes for love and responsibility, donb ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70161-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:53:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42656 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 17:02:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42644 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:02:55 -0000 Message-ID: From: Piers Sutton To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:00:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11B74.B40B99E0" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11B74.B40B99E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Josh Wink :) TurtleTracks > -----Original Message----- > From: k-boy allstar [mailto:junglejunkie1@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:00 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; sacraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? > > > > J-smooth (GFS Philadelphia) Jump up > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11B74.B40B99E0-- From sfraves-return-70150-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:53:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91770 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 08:13:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91760 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 08:13:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <71.1089d7e5.289a3877@aol.com> References: <71.1089d7e5.289a3877@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 01:10:19 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? Personally, I have a thing for DJ Shady P. Very good electric breaks. At 1:00 AM -0400 8/2/01, Klatuu02@aol.com wrote: >Tsuyoshi Suzuki or Josh Wink... >we need more acid and breaks djs around the bay area.. > >peace >-moksha --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70205-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:54:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58770 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:07:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58758 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:07:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: "A. Nonymous" cc: COTS , Chris V , In-Reply-To: <014c01c11b9e$4ec7bc60$1bd2f7a5@sauoq> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 sarcasm deserves sarcasm... and i got nothin but love fo ya! On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, A. Nonymous wrote: > Kenneth Bice wrote: > > > your really an ass... > > Thanks for all the love and respect you bring to this community, Kenneth. > Your opinion makes a difference. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70092-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:55:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14142 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 21:21:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14131 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 21:21:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: mattinberkeley@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: will@emdef.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:20:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 21:20:54.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[D921FBC0:01C11ACF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re:The Ford Focus Rave Tent I agree with you on all your points, but as long as the face of raves today is a prebuscient candy-toting, pacifier-sucking, glossy eyed noodlehead, there is no hope that we'll ever be taken seriously as a political force. It's obvious there are mature, articulate and intelligent people still left in the scene, your post proves that. However, just how many more will it take to actually make a difference -I am not sure. Your post also begs the question, how many people going to raves right now even care about the political implications of organizing rave culture? Many partygoers don't really give a rats ass about that stuff. They are short-sighted, and are only affected by what the immediate proceedings i.e. where is cyberfest going to be? Can I bring my backpack? . To expect the scene to think long term is bordering on fantasy. I just hope I'm terribly wrong here. You've made some solid points, except as you alluded to earlier, I think perhaps even I have fallen victim to the jaded-raver syndrome. Paulie Paul Liquidcafe.com "It is one of life's mysteries how an ounce of understanding, cleanses an ocean of mistrust and hate" (The Outer Limits) >From: "Matt __" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >CC: will@emdef.org >Subject: [sfraves] The Ford Focus Rave Tent >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:03:14 +0000 > >I thought my return from Area:One was a good occasion to reflect on >commercialism in the rave scene and its role in the future of electronic >music and dance culture. The event was a stunning example of one strategy >for mainstream acceptance of the scene and resistance to the "club drugs" >crackdown. The unsaid strategy is something along the lines of "If we get >Intel to sponsor the glowsticks, maybe they'll no longer be considered drug >paraphernalia (by federal prosecutors)." > >This is not meant to be a critique of Moby's event. I had a great time and >I thought that the mixing of culture (evidenced by the variety of radio >stations and music styles represented) made it a good gathering. I only >wish to use it as a starting point for a discussion of strategies for >moving >forward. > >Rave culture began its assent onto the national agenda last year as the >focus of investigative stories on every major television newsmagazine. As >I >predicted, the Michigan drug survey last winter showed a large increase in >the use of ecstasy and this set the stage for a crackdown and gave the drug >warriors a new rallying cry. The New Orleans and Florida "crack house law" >applications show that no repression strategy will be left out. > >The history of the English rave movement is evidence of the lengths to >which >authorities will go to crush youth dance culture. After years of chasing >rave promoters with countryside police forces, the U.K. Parliament >eventually banned any event involving more than ten people dancing to >repetitive beats. The ending of that saga, however, is instructive here. >Rave culture was not killed in England but instead co-opted by club and >radio promoters to become the dominant popular culture. > >The English experience shows that compromises between authorities and dance >music promoters often attempt to force rave scenes entirely into clubs or a >few large concert venues. Ravers should be weary of political choices that >effectively end the diversity of our scene. We should not have to >sacrifice >the serenity of a desert party, the thrill of a warehouse event, or the >freedom of a campout in order to keep a few heavily regulated venues open. >Ravers also cannot afford to pretend, however, that crackdowns on >rave-style >club nights will not eventually become an all-out war on the entire scene. > >I asked someone at the EAM Entertainment/EM:DEF booth whether >commercialization of the scene was the solution and he said "Well, we are >having corporate sponsors for our fundraising party... we're just taking >money from the corporations and using it to fight The Man." I would submit >that this is a misunderstanding of the workings of "The Man." Ravers will >need organized thought and action to shape the inevitable compromise >between >capital and the state. > >The rave movement, however, continues to be seen as generally apolitical. >It could be that the Simon Reynolds critique of the scene is just evidence >of the libertarian, generally pro-capitalist, nature of its politics but >the >rave scene does not need to be a leftist cause in order to develop a >political perspective. Rave culture provides an alternative model of >community building that holds the potential for an expansive political >agenda. As incarnations of Hakim Bey's "temporary autonomous zones," raves >can be seen as sites of resistance in a world of co-modification. The rave >scene's general endorsement of technological advancement and globalization >could either prove to weaken its status as a counter-cultural movement or >provide a window to an inclusive society that embraces the future. As >Douglas Rushkoff says, "the experience of a rave offers a glimpse of true >group consciousness" through recombination of cultural artifacts and >"synchronous life-cycle decisions" by "self-selecting communities." > >As a survival technique and as an alternative to the stagnant politics of >wider American culture, the rave movement must embrace its potential by >becoming self-consciously political. Either as an explicit social movement >or as an adjunct to the entertainment focus, the rave movement must respond >to challenges with an eye towards maintaining the potential of the scene in >the face of both law enforcement and corporate challenges. > >This is not meant to be a "back in the day" diatribe from a jaded raver. I >think there are some advantages to the way the scene has developed over >time >and I think "its not like it used to be" stories are more often generated >by >the decreasing effectiveness of each additional pill than by an actual >preference for the people who used to be a part of the scene over the >current crowd. I merely believe that we need to think more about the >choices we make while withstanding the onslaught that lay ahead. > >If the rave community chose to take up politics, it could quickly become an >important component of the drug policy reform movement and a force in >efforts to rebuild urban communities and local music scenes. A political >rave movement would also be more resilient in fending off elite challenges >and might be able to survive the compromise between commerce and government >with some of its originality intact. > >I welcome your comments in public or private. > >Matt Grossmann >icq: 4984980 >aolim: godisunity >matthewg@uclink.berkeley.edu > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70165-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:55:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75656 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 17:33:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75645 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:33:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.25.20.114] From: "jason" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:33:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 17:33:21.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[39947D30:01C11B79] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] scheattle schtuff hey out there- going up to seattle for the weekend to visit a friend- wondered if anyone on the list who had spent time in seattle knew of good places to go while there? under-the-radar events preferable. thanks in advance for your thoughtful, thorough, and intelligent contributions to my good time this weekend. have a nice day :) j AIM: ekis4d _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70177-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:56:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58652 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:09:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58639 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:09:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.163.70.161] From: "genome _" To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:09:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1607 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C11B4B.EDCAC2B0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 19:09:03.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[9815AED0:01C11B86] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RED ONE/SIREN/SERAPHIM/MS.E/LORIN-EKLEKTIC~HEKTIC SF ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C11B4B.EDCAC2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CHEGGIT, Genome here on behalf of dMarie and Groundscore. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C11B4B.EDCAC2B0-- From sfraves-return-70142-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:56:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11776 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 05:08:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11752 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 05:08:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:08:28 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List , Reno Raves , F-8 List , "Fresnoraves@Hyperreal.Org" Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B68E04C.8895043C@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ for FREEEEEEE!!!! So check this out. There are already A LOT of Pre-Parties and After-Parties planned for Megga-Buzz, and these events & clubs offer all per sale tickets holders discounted admission. The list of pre-parties is so huge, and growing, that we don't even have enough room on the main flyer to list all of them. Therefore we will be announcing the pre-parties daily on the Buzz-Line. We already have about 28 pre-parties and 6 after-parties set up and more are being added daily... so if you are a promoter of a club or party and want to host a Megga-Buzz Pre/After Party let me know, we will add you to the growing list. Here's how the savings pile up ==> A presale ticket to Megga-Buzz is ONLY $25 bucks. Pre-Party / After-Party discounts for ticket holder are anywhere from $2, $3.. $5 ... $10, 2 for 1, or free admission... over the next 4 weeks!!! If you go out regularly, your savings can easily surpass the cost of a Megga-Buzz Presale ticket.. in no time at all. It's an amazing bargain... and could MORE than pay for itself!!! So once you get your ticket, make sure to call the Buzz-Line any night of the week that you are going out to get a list of Discounted Pre-parties @ 650-569-3300. For details on Megga-Buzz Visit ==> http://www.globlaprty.com Tickets go on sale this Friday... the sooner you get yours, the faster you will start partying it off and be going to Megga-Buzz for FREEEEE!!! See you all at the Bill Graham Civic Center in SF on Sat, Sept. 1st!!! Spread the Vibe to Keep it Alive, Vlad --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70093-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:57:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16652 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 21:23:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16637 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 21:23:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010801212319.94307.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: R Bronstein , sf raves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP 18 and up with id I am so going to be there this night. Cannot miss my boy Tronic ;D and his uk hard house, or will you be doing hhc. doesn't matter as long as your there tearing up as always. Hope to see you out there that night Rach. Say hi I'll be the one on the dance floor. teehee Jamie --- R Bronstein wrote: > can anyone tell me if its 21+ or not. Thanks > > Rach =} > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "DJ Tronic" > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N > Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 > > Aight.. just tossin this one out so everyone knows > about it early.. make > your plans to get to Club Matrix West-Friday, August > 10th!! Here's the > lineup: > > $10 admission BEFORE 10:30 > $15 admission after 10:30 > > Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and Bass-Hardcore > > *Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 > Turntables!!** > > :: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* > Cloudskipper (Supernova > Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) > > **One of the Most Respected and Best Drum and Bass > DJs in the Bay Area** > > :: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) > > .supporting cast. > > : Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova > Recordings-Sacramento) > : Mikey J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) > : Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) > : Scotty (Spin Knowledge) > > Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno > > **One of the Most Talented US Hard House Producers > Today** > > :: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los > Angeles) > > .supporting cast. > > : Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) > : Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) > : Lewis (Spin Knowledge) > > Just lettin everyone know about this one.. should be > off the hook! Make the > plans to get there early!! ;) > > Andy > Tronic > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70143-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:57:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20807 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 05:21:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20787 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 05:21:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:21:11 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B68E347.32C6566D@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ANTHEM - Thursday 18+ SF bsp A~N~T~H~E~M Thursday Aug 2nd!!! Ghostribe’s Ballistic-Hard-House-Breaks Night. Ghostribe Crew: DJ Ghost, DJ Frank Nitty & DJ Hex Special Mad Wax Guests: DJ Madame Mercury & DJ Spinner B-Boy Challenge: with prizes for best breakers. Maritime Sub-Level 375 1st St. @ Harrison St. San Francisco 18+ with valid ID 9pm – 2am. $5 Before 10pm / $10 After. VIP 21+ FUBAR Hosted By The luscious ladies of Feel Good :)~~ Anthem Club Line: 650-568-1338 Buzz-Line: 650-569-3300 http://www.globalparty.com Keep it Real Good With Feel Good --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70155-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:57:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53095 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 15:37:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53082 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 15:37:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802153721.96583.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:37:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Byers To: BodhiInSF@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <115.29010a5.289a1c01@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 1: Should promoters advertize more to an older crowd? They should promote to older crowds. Leave the massives to promote to the younger crowds. I'm sure that people who are 21-23 don't mind hanging out with 18-20 year olds....but people who are 24+ don't really like to. It's just an age gap thing. I do agree that there are not alot of clubs that cater to the 21& younger. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70158-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:57:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3622 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 16:27:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3612 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 16:27:18 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:27:58 -0600 From: wishfm To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010802113147.6B7F42747@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3079592879_36846_MIME_Part" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Mekka Tour& Creamfields cancelled... --MS_Mac_OE_3079592879_36846_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I urge you to look a little closer... these cancellations represent more than just a bad attempt to "unite the true forces of the dance music industry".=20 There was actually blatant attempt to invade the American rave scene this summer because, and this is no big surprise... It's finally worth enough money!=20 But, what the imported promoters didn't realize is this small fact: The amount of resistance we offered is directly related to the amount of blood, sweat and tears Americans put into our movement. FACT #2: These same tour promoters signed exclusive summer deals with a wealth of our U.S. Massive residents (BT, Chris Lawrence, Dan) ...married them with all of their major label financiers and business interests - Oakie, Fatboy, etc... and then finally, attempted to sell the package back to the American promoters for a HUGE ransom. Crafty. Huh? Do you really think Pasqual of Insomniac (LA) or Sasson at Coolworld (SF) gives a fuck about throwing Mekka when they both can draw 30,000 without an= y help from these supposed "forces of the dance music industry"? I wouldn't have believed such an elaborate scheme was in motion myself, had the plan not been unknowingly revealed to me, in detail, by a key member of the imperialists in question. Oh, and how appropriate. It seems he spille= d his guts, six months ago, while under the influence of a shady little truth serum I know called... cocaine. So, don't be too bummed about missing Dave Ralph. In fact.... hold your head up. Stick your chest out. Now, we are connected wishfm From: Osby Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:31:47 -0700 (PDT) To: The_List Subject: [sfraves] Mekka Tour I dunno if this was posted already & I'm totally Lame, but I was on CDNow window shopping for vinyl & ran across this http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=3D183559195/pagename=3D/RP/ALLSTAR/art= i cle.html/fid=3D280751 =3D=3D Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O=A7BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --MS_Mac_OE_3079592879_36846_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-70089-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:59:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82646 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 20:59:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82626 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 20:59:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:58:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 20:58:34.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA354B70:01C11ACC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,38384,00.html "CREAMFIELDS' LAS VEGAS event has been cancelled, NME.COM has learned. The Liverpool superclub's Californian debut was scheduled to take place on September 29. But sources involved in the promotion of the show have revealed that it will not take place as scheduled and there are currently no plans to reschedule it. A proposal to host a smaller event in San Francisco is said to be in discussion." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70242-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 16:59:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43400 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 04:44:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43389 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 04:44:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.6.201] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 04:44:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 04:44:16.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3A48000:01C11BD6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Friday Night Alternatives I don't know what's happening...I don't post a darn thing for a few months and then all of a sudden, here I am, on a posting frenzy. Anyway, if anyone is looking for a change of scenery Friday night, there's a bar/club in Monterey called the London Bridge Pub that's hosting a couple of local alternative rock bands and a Bangles cover band! I'll be walking like an egyptian Friday night, baby! The bar itself is the West Coast's only waterfront bar. I'm not sure of the address yet but I'm sure you can find it on Yahoo! Yellow Pages or something. BTW, it is 21+. RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "No matter what stage a person is at in life, one thing must remain constant in order to achieve and retain happiness:HAVING FUN!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70176-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:00:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50789 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:04:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50730 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:04:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802190420.56546.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ~*SUBMERGE*~ Friday(AUG.10.2001)(2 ROOMS/12 Performers) *BSP* Friday, August 10th, 2001 XTORT Presents...*SUBMERGE* It’s time to get deep, it’s time to Submerge into the greatest sounds ever. Featuring TWO rooms of non-stop energy, featuring: DYLOOT (SKILLS, SF) SIMON APEX (Subsonic Underground) MORGAN (LOTEK Records, SF) DRAGN’FLY (Teknique, Epiphany) AMBER (Epiphany, SF) KOMA (FUSED, SF ) RIGATONY (Sagitariun Productions) DJ PAT (Teknique, Fresno) DUSTY BROWN (XTORT) (LIVE Performance) SASCHA23 (XTORT) DJ WARREN (XTORT) SAPPHIRE (XTORT) + More TBA.... ALL AGES 16+ WELCOME... FREE posters/cds/stickers to the first 150 people courtesy of ASTRALWERKS, NETTWERK, and ADV Films along with METROPOLIS Records. AMAZING visuals from EYELUSIONS/VISION CRAFT SOUND: TEKNIQUE. SECURITY: JAMES Security+Sgt. Harris…. LIVE Air-Brush Performance by WWW.SONTI.COM Doors open: 8pm-4am TICKETS: $12 before 11pm, $14 after… XTORT:http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net XTORT'S DATABASE: 916.565.6677 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70140-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:00:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6353 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 05:00:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6339 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 05:00:57 -0000 From: Klatuu02@aol.com Message-ID: <71.1089d7e5.289a3877@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 01:00:39 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_71.1089d7e5.289a3877_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? --part1_71.1089d7e5.289a3877_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tsuyoshi Suzuki or Josh Wink... we need more acid and breaks djs around the bay area.. peace -moksha --part1_71.1089d7e5.289a3877_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70160-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:01:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40061 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 17:01:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40043 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 17:01:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:00:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 17:00:29.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2827720:01C11B74] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? J-smooth (GFS Philadelphia) Jump up _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70230-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:02:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21006 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 01:02:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20996 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 01:02:01 -0000 Message-ID: <00a301c12849$ea15b7a0$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "The_List" , "Jonathan Stern" Cc: , , References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801204418.00b00810@mail3.flashhost.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:57:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: [scr] TECHNIC 1200 mk's ferr sale > Wow, most people that sell these advertise them for $499 a piece but you > can talk them down to the price you are offering.....so, this is not much > of a deal > yep. . . actually, the markup on technic's is so little because of competition, most audio dealers just carry them because people like them, not because they're money makers. If they sold one for 500, they'd probably make like 60-70 bucks off it. But with like mixers. . . a $1000 mixer (retail), could make a dealer $500, if they were greedy like that, msrp is almost 100% markup usually. I don't think it's really a deal or not, technics' really don't really depreciate much at all. . . like the only diffirence between a new on and a slightly used one are like the packaging, and maybe some dust or a couple scratches. Other than that, they'll proll last through the next owners needs, and then some. I was offering headshells and carts too, ooh and a lil disco ball. . . the stantons suck, but they work, and they do their job. Unless someone wanted the ortofons, either way, it's not just the table only either. Most tables I see people with are just way wacked, like scratches, missing parts, labels coming off, the pitch isn't exactly the same as indicated. . . mine are great. . . I totally take great care of my gear. . . matter of opnion though. . . if somene wants to buy em, than bad ass, if not, I'll just end up with 2 extra tables I'll never use. . . they'll still be worth the same a while from now as they are now. . . so no worries, but this is how I bought my first tables (for more $ also), so it's kinda like tradition to pass on the staff to someone else. . . : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70090-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:02:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88538 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 21:02:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88523 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 21:02:09 -0000 Message-ID: <002e01c11acd$189af1b0$59b3b018@CC229840a> From: "Funkybaby Productions" To: "sfraves" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:01:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C11A92.6C26BCF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Full Moon Party ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C11A92.6C26BCF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All Saturday August 4th 2001 Funkybaby Productions brings you the last Full Moon Party of the summer! This will be a special night of friends, family, music, and smiles = underneath the full moon featuring Daddy (Funkybaby, Orbit SF) Trishild (Funkybaby, Modesto) Aradia (Funkybaby, Chico) Belfast Bill (Funkybaby, Orbit SF) Kelly Williams (Funkybaby, Orbit SF) This is a totally free underground party and if you would like to attend = please e-mail us at: funkybabyproductions@home.com Thanx So Much Funkybaby Productions ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C11A92.6C26BCF0-- From sfraves-return-70091-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:02:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88919 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 21:02:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88861 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 21:02:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.204.133.5] From: "R Bronstein" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:01:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 21:01:46.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C9896E0:01C11ACD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP can anyone tell me if its 21+ or not. Thanks Rach =} ----Original Message Follows---- From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 Aight.. just tossin this one out so everyone knows about it early.. make your plans to get to Club Matrix West-Friday, August 10th!! Here's the lineup: $10 admission BEFORE 10:30 $15 admission after 10:30 Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and Bass-Hardcore *Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 Turntables!!** :: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* Cloudskipper (Supernova Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) **One of the Most Respected and Best Drum and Bass DJs in the Bay Area** :: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) .supporting cast. : Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova Recordings-Sacramento) : Mikey J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) : Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) : Scotty (Spin Knowledge) Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno **One of the Most Talented US Hard House Producers Today** :: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los Angeles) .supporting cast. : Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) : Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) : Lewis (Spin Knowledge) Just lettin everyone know about this one.. should be off the hook! Make the plans to get there early!! ;) Andy Tronic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70235-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:02:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71663 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 02:20:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71651 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 02:20:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803022055.6308.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: Orphan List , sf raves , F 8 Cc: Nate , joe weber , "Soul A." , Alex , ryan david dennis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] My Daughter, Daft Punk and Anime? O.k. So my five year old daughter is checking out cartoon network today and i hear daft punk begin to play "One More Time" I look over to her and there it is, Daft Punk with an anime video for One more time. I look down to her and she simply says in her matter-of-fact-didn't-you-know voice "Mom, this is my favorite song". To those of you who don't know, my daughter is very partial to electronic music. HHC, Most of the mainstream house stuff you hear on the radios oh and Aaron Carter, do not argue with her about who did the original "I Want Candy" song, she is very adament about it. (it was bow wow wow) O.k. i know some of you are like "So when are you going to let them start raving?" When They can show me they are responsible!! There. And Adam Weaver I will know if they sneak out and go. you forget, been there, done that. Remember High school, Raley's 4 in the morning, wasted. o.k. enough said. You know what i am talking about to Reid so stop laughing. So any ways check it out. http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/toonami/alliance/ Have a great day i know i am. *.* Jamie Star __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70253-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:03:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71352 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 17:03:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71341 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 17:03:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803170337.23546.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaden To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 550 Barneveld tonight / tomorrow? Anyone know whats going on @550 tonight / tomorrow? The website and voice lines haven't been updated. Thanks! Jaden __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70116-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:03:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70109 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 01:22:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70099 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 01:22:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802012225.25187.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: "Macadio G." , andy@saturn5.com, kgb@dreamscape.org Cc: rachel_bronstein@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP Okay, Okay my bad!!! thank you all for the IM's and emails correcting me and I know Tronic is going to bust my ass for making such a big faux pas on the type of music he his spinning now a days. will never happen again promise. So good to have you guys around though. nothing but love for ya Jamie Star --- "Macadio G." wrote: > TWITA.. > > > Macadio > > > >From: AndyW > >To: Kenneth Bice > >CC: Jamie Murray , R > Bronstein > >, sf raves > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum > N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. > >BSP > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >If what Tronic plays is US hardhouse, what should > we call VERY different > >sounding music that used to be considered domestic > hardhouse like harder > >stuff on the UC or Greedy labels? > > > >andyw > > > >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Kenneth Bice wrote: > > > >-&e->us hard house > >-&e-> > >-&e->On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jamie Murray wrote: > >-&e-> > >-&e->> 18 and up with id > >-&e->> I am so going to be there this night. > Cannot miss my > >-&e->> boy Tronic ;D and his uk hard house, or will > you be > >-&e->> doing hhc. doesn't matter as long as your > there > >-&e->> tearing up as always. > >-&e->> Hope to see you out there that night Rach. > >-&e->> Say hi I'll be the one on the dance floor. > >-&e->> teehee > >-&e->> Jamie > >-&e->> --- R Bronstein > wrote: > >-&e->> > can anyone tell me if its 21+ or not. > Thanks > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > Rach =} > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > ----Original Message Follows---- > >-&e->> > From: "DJ Tronic" > > >-&e->> > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >-&e->> > Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy > Hardcore/Drum N > >-&e->> > Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP > >-&e->> > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > Aight.. just tossin this one out so > everyone knows > >-&e->> > about it early.. make > >-&e->> > your plans to get to Club Matrix > West-Friday, August > >-&e->> > 10th!! Here's the > >-&e->> > lineup: > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > $10 admission BEFORE 10:30 > >-&e->> > $15 admission after 10:30 > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and > Bass-Hardcore > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > *Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 > >-&e->> > Turntables!!** > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > :: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* > >-&e->> > Cloudskipper (Supernova > >-&e->> > Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > **One of the Most Respected and Best Drum > and Bass > >-&e->> > DJs in the Bay Area** > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > :: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > .supporting cast. > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > : Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, > Supernova > >-&e->> > Recordings-Sacramento) > >-&e->> > : Mikey J (Selekta.com, > MechaSOUL-Sacramento) > >-&e->> > : Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) > >-&e->> > : Scotty (Spin Knowledge) > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > **One of the Most Talented US Hard House > Producers > >-&e->> > Today** > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > :: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground > Sound-Los > >-&e->> > Angeles) > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > .supporting cast. > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > : Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) > >-&e->> > : Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) > >-&e->> > : Lewis (Spin Knowledge) > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > Just lettin everyone know about this one.. > should be > >-&e->> > off the hook! Make the > >-&e->> > plans to get there early!! ;) > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > Andy > >-&e->> > Tronic > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > _________________________________________________________________ > >-&e->> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >-&e->> > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-&e->> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >-&e->> > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >-&e->> > For additional commands, e-mail: > >-&e->> > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > _________________________________________________________________ > >-&e->> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >-&e->> > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-&e->> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >-&e->> > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >-&e->> > For additional commands, e-mail: > >-&e->> > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >-&e->> > > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > __________________________________________________ > >-&e->> Do You Yahoo!? > >-&e->> Make international calls for as low as > $.04/minute with Yahoo! > >Messenger > >-&e->> http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-&e->> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >-&e->> For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e-> > >-&e-> > >-&e->--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-&e->To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >-&e->For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >-&e-> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70141-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:06:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10017 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 05:06:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10005 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 05:06:05 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:06:53 -0800 From: MODA To: Kenneth Bice , sfraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? ...or the person who put the Mystical Mayhem sticker on the inside of the toilet seat at Happy Dognuts. 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Not only did I have three phatty fliers on my windshield, but I had graciously accepted those same fliers from the promoters at Blake's (it's so hard to say, "No I don't want to go" cause then they sit there and try and convince you). So now I have six huge fliers to parties that I'm never going to go to. waaaaaaaaste. And nothing in or on my car would suggest that I'm a raver. -Veronica- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70088-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:07:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74109 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 20:53:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74099 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 20:53:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:53:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 20:53:27.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=[037CDDD0:01C11ACC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] the Year of the Failed Massive Area 51...Mekka cancelled...Cyberfest moved from 3Com to the Cow Palace...and now, per this story on Mekka's cancellation on SonicNet, Las Vegas Creamfields cancelled as well (scroll down to the last paragraph): http://www.sonicnet.com/news/story.jhtml?id=1445917 "Mekka's announcement comes on the heels of another electronic music gathering's demise — the Las Vegas version of the U.K. Creamfields Festival, which was slated for September 29 and was to feature the Crystal Method and Fatboy Slim, among others (see "Fatboy Slim, Crystal Method To Play First U.S. Creamfields Fests"). A New York Creamfields concert on September 1 still stands." One wonders--and in my case at least, wonders with great hope--if the much-vaunted "breakthrough year for electronica" has come and gone with the continuing economic "cooling." The trend line seems clear: stadium-sized dance events in particular, and massives in general, just aren't making ends meet...and as these recent events seem to show, the musicians and DJs just aren't a rock-and-roll-level attraction to the mass market (with isolated exceptions, Moby being the proverbial exception that proves the rule). here's hoping that by next year, the Music Moguls are on to something else as the Next Big Thing, and the Good Ol' Small Thing can continue in relative peace. --hb note: nothing in this message is to be interpreted as lacking sympathy for the folks who were looking forward to these now-mooted events. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70087-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:09:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60703 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 20:42:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60690 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 20:42:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.20.165.188] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 20:41:59.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[6982CBA0:01C11ACA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP Aight.. just tossin this one out so everyone knows about it early.. make your plans to get to Club Matrix West-Friday, August 10th!! Here's the lineup: $10 admission BEFORE 10:30 $15 admission after 10:30 Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and Bass-Hardcore *Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 Turntables!!** :: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* Cloudskipper (Supernova Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) **One of the Most Respected and Best Drum and Bass DJs in the Bay Area** :: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) .supporting cast. : Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova Recordings-Sacramento) : Mikey J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) : Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) : Scotty (Spin Knowledge) Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno **One of the Most Talented US Hard House Producers Today** :: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los Angeles) .supporting cast. : Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) : Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) : Lewis (Spin Knowledge) Just lettin everyone know about this one.. should be off the hook! Make the plans to get there early!! ;) Andy Tronic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70178-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:09:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78702 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:23:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78691 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:23:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.94.209.1] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:22:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 19:22:49.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[844BB1E0:01C11B88] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] House/Trance from cablemusic.com Wanna listen to some cool trance or house while slaving away at work or kickin back at home? Then go to www.windowsmedia.com, click on Radio on the menu at the left, then scroll down and click Dance on the menu on the left, then scroll down the listing on the right of that menu and click on Cablemusic.com House or Trance. RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "You never lose when you love. You always lose when you hold back." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70208-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:10:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74967 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:23:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74951 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:23:47 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c11ba1$bc991c40$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "Kenneth Bice" , "COTS" Cc: "Chris V" , References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:23:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 You know what..You don't even need to promote to sell a party out. People don't care who is throwing a party or who is spinning at the party. Most people that I meet at my parties don't know any of the dj's I booked they just saw the flyer at solid grooves. I've actually met some people that say they just go in and see what's on the white board and but a ticket for the party with the "coolest name". I think a lot of promoters over do it now days but I guess you gota do what ever you think will help your party sell out. Personally I like to walk up to people and strike up a conversation and find out what type of music they like and talk to them about the dj's I have on my flyer. This is usually a good way to get lesser know dj's a crowd interested in what they are going to play. Now as far as talent goes, yes it does sell out a massive. As far as the UG is concerned every party sells out because there aren't enough parties for everyone to go to. So just pick a good night and get the word around and that's all you need. And as far as cyberfest you would have to shoot me to get me to go, and F8 I think we will be in attendance because last years party was one of the best campouts I have been to and I also got together with the love of my life. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Bice" To: "COTS" Cc: "Chris V" ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 > your really an ass... > > check it though, i wouldnt set foot into cyberfest or f-8. > and i will never attend another cots party because of > something really really jacked one of the crew members > did to me. but the bottom line is this, jsut because you > promote the shit out of your party doesnt mean jack, > you can put flyers on peoples cars most end up on the > ground or in the trash, and just because you post flyers > on light poles doesnt mean shit either. yea the word gets > around but thats just the way it is... i could throw a > party and have donauld glaude there, i wouldnt have to > make flyers or tape them to light poles or anything of > the sort, but because he would be there you know the > party would sell out, its not the crazy promoting people > do its the quality, reputation and talent of a party that > dictates its attendence. > > iight im out. > > laterz, > > kenneth > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, COTS wrote: > > > hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer on a > > taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about the > > party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom > > line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails keep > > adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming up....keep > > up the good work people.... > > > > i > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." > > > > I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two > > blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby on > > board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the > > block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we > > didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying this > > was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. > > Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their overzealous > > "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on the > > streets. > > > > -=Chris=- > > > > >From: "COTS" > > >To: "Kenneth Bice" > > >CC: > > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > > > > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters (yea > > >F8 > > >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's > > >purpose... > > > > > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the > > >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i > > >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our meeting > > >point. > > > > > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned parenthood, > > >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > > > > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... > > > > > > > > >hahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > > >To: SF Raves List > > >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > > > >okay so check it, > > > > > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > > >last night and on one of the light poles in the > > >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > > >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > > >this was a light pole towards the back of the > > >parking lot and they were almost covered up by > > >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > > >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > > >who was the brilliant person who put them there? > > >anyone have any clues? > > > > > >laterz, > > > > > >kenneth > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70231-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:11:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25091 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 01:11:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25068 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 01:11:11 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c11bb9$e66d5870$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , , Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:16:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C11B7F.39BDA150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Raving, Drugs, and Womens Issues ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C11B7F.39BDA150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI for women. Whether or not you participate in Recreational Drug Use, this might be = helpful for you. =20 http://www.dancesafe.org/safetyissues.html Sincerly Bryan Oley bryan@dancesafe.org ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C11B7F.39BDA150-- From sfraves-return-70154-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:13:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44128 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 15:32:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44118 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 15:32:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: DJ Tronic cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Supernova 001 available @Skills in Berkeley and SSU in Sac! BSP i have a copy of this and its a good record, go buy three copies cause one isnt enough... props to andy, chris & mr. sketchy! laterz, kenneth On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, DJ Tronic wrote: > Hey to all the Hardcore/Happy Hardcore/Freeform DJs/Listeners/Fans out > there! Just wanted to let ya know our label.. Supernova Recordings.. based > in San Francisco, CA.. have released our first record! Titled > > "Check This Out" > > It was produced by Cloudskipper and Sketchy.. with a remix on the flip by > myself-DJ Tronic! > > We realize some of you have been looking for this release.. and I have been > informed that Skills in Berkeley is now carrying Supernova 001 and Subsonic > Underground in Sacramento also has copies! > > To any who decide to pick this up.. we appreciate the support of US produced > Hardcore/Happy Hardcore! Enjoy the release and look for many more to come at > ya soon! For any more information on Supernova Recordings.. check out > > http://www.supernovarecordings.com > > Thanks again! > > Andy > Tronic > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70206-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:13:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68152 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:17:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68141 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:17:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802221754.16258.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:17:54 -0700 (PDT) From: MaJikMiSsTreSs To: "A. Nonymous" , Kenneth Bice , COTS Cc: Chris V , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <014c01c11b9e$4ec7bc60$1bd2f7a5@sauoq> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 Kenneth Bice wrote:> your really an ass... "A. Nonymous" WROTE:>Thanks for all the love and respect you bring to this community, Kenneth. Your opinion makes a difference. HEHEHEHE...im sorry but i was thinking the same thing...=) i swear, postive thinking isnt that difficult people! majik __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70179-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:14:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86155 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:28:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86143 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:28:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.93.104.33] From: "Chris V" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:27:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 19:27:46.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[35878D30:01C11B89] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby on board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying this was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their overzealous "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on the streets. -=Chris=- >From: "COTS" >To: "Kenneth Bice" >CC: >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters (yea >F8 >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's >purpose... > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our meeting >point. > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned parenthood, >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... > > >hahaha > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM >To: SF Raves List >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > >okay so check it, > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" >last night and on one of the light poles in the >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you >this was a light pole towards the back of the >parking lot and they were almost covered up by >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering >who was the brilliant person who put them there? >anyone have any clues? > >laterz, > >kenneth > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70227-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:15:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74891 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 23:53:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74880 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 23:53:37 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010802165404.02e9b830@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 16:54:36 -0700 To: sf From: Raver Cc: innocentchild@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] who.wants.waffle house?? Tell me where I can get GRITS on my waffles in the bay area! muahahah sarilion At 06:44 PM 8/2/2001 -0400, gregvp@sprynet.com wrote: >Oh my god! Ryan, I want to see that Waffle House menu. There are many >things that I miss about Houston, TX with Waffle House being one of them, >along with Tex-Mex and BBQ. Yeah, I like authentic mex, too, but they >don't put rice in burritos in Texas. > >Sounds like a fun time in Atlanta. Will be good to see you again, though. >Which way did you have those hash browns? We liked them scattered, >smothered, covered topped. Oh yeah, the patty melt is good there. > >If anyone on the list can tell me where to get Chili Con Queso in the Bay >Area I would appreciate it (besides Velveeta and Ro-tel dip). I know, >that's way NRR, but everytime I go to get Mexican it's not on the menu. >And if you find a good Chicken-fried steak tell the world! Seems like the >food in Northern Cali is so healthy (not much fried). > >Greg >(you can always dance off the deep-fry calories!) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: innocentchild [mailto:innocentchild@hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:59 PM >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] who.wants.waffle house?? > > >Second time being in Atlanta and there's nothing quite like Waffle House >at 4am! You've got the biggest bunch of tweaked out people working, dirt >cheap food, and good food at that! I want Waffle House out here. Waffle >House is GOOD. I stole a menu from the place and I should scan it so that >all that dunno what I'm talking about can see. Scattered, smothered, >covered, chunked, topped, diced and peppered! 3 people eating a bigger >portion than Denny's for $15 at 4am. Can't find that southern cooking >around here at that price and time! > >So I say again who wants some waffle house?? > >ryan > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70232-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:16:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29235 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 01:16:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29223 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 01:16:09 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c11bb9$df6d8180$1d3583d1@litter> From: "Jeff Younker" To: , Cc: References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:16:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] who.wants.waffle house?? > Oh my god! Ryan, I want to see that Waffle House menu. There > are many things that I miss about Houston, TX with Waffle House > being one of them, along with Tex-Mex and BBQ. Yeah, I like > authentic mex, too, but they don't put rice in burritos in Texas. I wouldn't call California Mexican "authentic Mexican" any more than I'd call East Texas BBQ "authentic american." Tex-Mex and California-Mex are both minor variations on then general theme of Northern Border Mexican, and bear only a mild resemblence to other regional Mexican cuisines. (My mouth is watering at the memory of pork encrusted chipolte peppers and slow roasted in a bannana leaf with strips poblano pepper. Mmmmmmm. ) > If anyone on the list can tell me where to get Chili > Con Queso in the Bay Area I would appreciate it > (besides Velveeta and Ro-tel dip). I know, that's > way NRR, but everytime I go to get Mexican it's > not on the menu. Make it yourself? > And if you find a good Chicken-fried steak tell the world! Seems > like the food in Northern Cali is so healthy (not much fried). I was amazed the first time that I ordered a Jaegar Schnitzle only to come to the realization that Chicken Fried Steak came from Germany. So go to the Schnitzelhaus at 294 9th St in San Francisco (between Folsom and Clementina). Order a "Jaegar Schnitzle" and be amazed. > From the original post: >> So I say again who wants some waffle house?? Waffle House made my stomach turn when I lived in Houston. I much preferred House of Guys..er..Pies or IHOP when I needed a late night breakfast fix. (And Charlie's was good when you only cared about seeing a drag show, or to watch the bondage crowd wander by.) I have to say that (with the possible exception of Kat's Never Kloses) Sparky's and Bagdad cafe are _far_ better than anything in available in Houston at 4 A.M. -jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70210-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:17:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87535 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:30:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87517 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:30:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:29:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: Ecko cc: COTS , Chris V , In-Reply-To: <001c01c11ba1$bc991c40$280110ac@nick> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 hey nick, shove it... no one wants to hear anything from you. laterz, kenneth ps. im joking, but i wanted to be the first person to tear into you... hah On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Ecko wrote: > You know what..You don't even need to promote to sell a party out. People > don't care who is throwing a party or who is spinning at the party. Most > people that I meet at my parties don't know any of the dj's I booked they > just saw the flyer at solid grooves. I've actually met some people that say > they just go in and see what's on the white board and but a ticket for the > party with the "coolest name". I think a lot of promoters over do it now > days but I guess you gota do what ever you think will help your party sell > out. Personally I like to walk up to people and strike up a conversation and > find out what type of music they like and talk to them about the dj's I have > on my flyer. This is usually a good way to get lesser know dj's a crowd > interested in what they are going to play. Now as far as talent goes, yes it > does sell out a massive. As far as the UG is concerned every party sells out > because there aren't enough parties for everyone to go to. So just pick a > good night and get the word around and that's all you need. And as far as > cyberfest you would have to shoot me to get me to go, and F8 I think we will > be in attendance because last years party was one of the best campouts I > have been to and I also got together with the love of my life. > > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Bice" > To: "COTS" > Cc: "Chris V" ; > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:50 PM > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 > > > > your really an ass... > > > > check it though, i wouldnt set foot into cyberfest or f-8. > > and i will never attend another cots party because of > > something really really jacked one of the crew members > > did to me. but the bottom line is this, jsut because you > > promote the shit out of your party doesnt mean jack, > > you can put flyers on peoples cars most end up on the > > ground or in the trash, and just because you post flyers > > on light poles doesnt mean shit either. yea the word gets > > around but thats just the way it is... i could throw a > > party and have donauld glaude there, i wouldnt have to > > make flyers or tape them to light poles or anything of > > the sort, but because he would be there you know the > > party would sell out, its not the crazy promoting people > > do its the quality, reputation and talent of a party that > > dictates its attendence. > > > > iight im out. > > > > laterz, > > > > kenneth > > > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, COTS wrote: > > > > > hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer on > a > > > taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about the > > > party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom > > > line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails keep > > > adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming > up....keep > > > up the good work people.... > > > > > > i > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM > > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > > > > "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." > > > > > > I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two > > > blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby > on > > > board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the > > > block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we > > > didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying > this > > > was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. > > > Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their > overzealous > > > "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on > the > > > streets. > > > > > > -=Chris=- > > > > > > >From: "COTS" > > > >To: "Kenneth Bice" > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > > > > > > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters > (yea > > > >F8 > > > >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served > it's > > > >purpose... > > > > > > > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before > the > > > >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, > i > > > >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our > meeting > > > >point. > > > > > > > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned > parenthood, > > > >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > > > > > > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email > me... > > > > > > > > > > > >hahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > > > >To: SF Raves List > > > >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > > > > > > >okay so check it, > > > > > > > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > > > >last night and on one of the light poles in the > > > >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > > > >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > > > >this was a light pole towards the back of the > > > >parking lot and they were almost covered up by > > > >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > > > >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > > > >who was the brilliant person who put them there? > > > >anyone have any clues? > > > > > > > >laterz, > > > > > > > >kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70254-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:17:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85020 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 17:17:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85010 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 17:17:26 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010803101713.00a02350@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:18:41 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Sarilion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 2: Should all parties be 18 and over? I think only 18+ parties would be easier to get permits for, but the scene is getting a bad rap due to irresponsible people, many of whom don't grow up just because they are X aged. sarilion At 09:25 AM 8/3/01, BodhiInSF@aol.com wrote: > What do you think of the idea of abolishing "all ages" parties with >parties being strictly 18 and over, and promoters having more day parties >where those under 18 can attend? Would 18+ parties clean up a lot of problems >that are giving our scene a bad rap in the out side world, or would it not >make any difference one way or the other? > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70085-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:18:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20167 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 20:11:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20137 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 20:11:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:10:05 -0700 From: IntenSmile In-reply-to: <3b.182c49a4.2899b779@aol.com> To: XViVrAnTpNoY76x@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Cyberfest mix up?? Yes it is true. This is from the website: VENUE CHANGE CYBERFEST 2001 San Francisco has been relocated to the massive San Francisco/Daly City Cow Palace & Grounds. This new venue will be an Indoor AND Outdoor event, and will allow us to offer attendees of ALL ages to celebrate over 100 of the world's greatest DJ's, live acts, and MC's. It will also give us an opportunity to keep our promise to the 21+ crowd and serve alcohol at the event via our alcohol gardens. Coolworld is dedicated to providing ALL of you with the best possible show in the best possible environment. Coolworld cares about all of you dance and music faithful's and there will be free drinking water at the festival. Purchase your tickets NOW, if you haven't already as Cyberfest will reach capacity....Arrive early; festival gates open at 2pm sharp with top acts performing early! We're looking forward to seeing all of you at this year's Cyberfest! You can also contact the Cow Palace directly at their box office for directions and additional info. -----Original Message----- From: XViVrAnTpNoY76x@aol.com [mailto:XViVrAnTpNoY76x@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:50 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Cyberfest mix up?? i sent my friend to get us some cyberfest tix and he tells me that it's at the cow palace now instead of 3com...is this true...can anyone clear this up?? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70086-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:19:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21702 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 20:12:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21691 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 20:12:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c11ac5$83fd9c80$4403de9e@chrisw> From: "daWeasel" To: , References: <3b.182c49a4.2899b779@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:06:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Cyberfest mix up?? I have nothing to do with Coolworld, but they have changed Venues to the Cow Palace.. Check out their website www.coolworld.com It is on their site. Weasel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: [sfraves] Cyberfest mix up?? > i sent my friend to get us some cyberfest tix and he tells me that it's at > the cow palace now instead of 3com...is this true...can anyone clear this up?? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70180-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:19:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92291 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:33:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92275 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:33:05 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR FW: Oppose New Drug War Anti-Ecstasy Bill Drug Reform Coordination Network (DRCNet) Rapid Response Team ---- http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/ecstasywar/ ---- Please help stop S. 1208, a terrible new federal bill by Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) that would throw more fuel on the government's anti-Ecstasy hysteria. S. 1208 would funnel $16 million taxpayer dollars into anti-Ecstasy law enforcement, fund the creation of an Ecstasy drug test and pressure municipalities into passing ordinances that restrict "rave clubs" and increasing their own anti-Ecstasy enforcement. Please visit http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/ecstasywar/ to register your disapproval of this legislation with Congress. Even if Ecstasy, also known as MDMA, were the dire threat that some claim it to be, this bill would still be the wrong way to go and would do great harm to our nation's youth. Yet the government's reaction to Ecstasy use is wildly disproportionate to the actual evidence. For example, the Drug Abuse Warning Network found only 27 known cases of Ecstasy-related fatalities during the five-year period spanning 1994-1998. While these 27 deaths are tragedies, the number is dwarfed by the millions who died from tobacco during that time, the hundreds of thousands from alcohol, even the tens of thousands from aspirin! Even in face of rising use of the drug, the numbers are still miniscule. Perhaps worst of all, this law will have the effect of stifling the provision of much-needed "harm reduction" information and resources to the very communities of young people we say we want to protect -- the kind of help that could have saved those 27 young people. Again, visit http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/ecstasywar/ to contact Congress in opposition to this bill. Our web site will send an e-mail or fax to your two Senators, your US Representative and the President; you may use our prewritten version, or better yet, modify it or write your own. When you're done, we hope you'll also call your Senators, using the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 224- 3121, and forward this alert to your friends or use the tell-a-friend form provided by our site. A little more information about this bill: According to The Alchemind Society, S. 1208 would: * Allocate $15 million "to assist anti-Ecstasy law enforcement initiatives in high intensity drug trafficking areas," and another $1 million for a federal "Task Force on Ecstasy/MDMA and Emerging Club Drugs"; * Allocate $7 million to a "national youth anti-drug media campaign" that "addresses the reduction and prevention of abuse of MDMA... among young people"; * Direct an unspecified amount of money to commission the development of an MDMA drug test; * Allocate $1.5 million for the National Institute on Drug Abuse to conduct research on MDMA and publish a public report no later than January 1, 2003; and * Give priority in Public Health Service grants to communities that pass ordinances "restricting rave clubs" and which increased law enforcement directed toward Ecstasy offenses. Again, please take two minutes and point your web browser to http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/ecstasywar/ to take a stand against hysteria and injustice. When you're done, call the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 224-3121 to make phone calls to your two Senators to make even more impact, or visit http://www.senate.gov to look up their direct phone numbers or addresses to send letters. Visit http://www.alchemind.org/DLL/sb1208_index.htm for information and continuing updates on this bill. Visit http://www.dancesafe.org for harm reduction information and resources on MDMA and other "club drugs." Visit http://thomas.loc.gov for legislative updates on this and other legislation. ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70255-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:20:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89878 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 17:20:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89829 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 17:20:05 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:14:28 EDT To: HuLaGirLJuLiE@hawaiicity.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ~~SuNdAnCe~~ I think TINRIB just got added too. Yarrow --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70211-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:20:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91140 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:33:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91118 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:33:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.228] From: "innocentchild" To: "Ecko" , "Kenneth Bice" , "COTS" Cc: "Chris V" , References: <001c01c11ba1$bc991c40$280110ac@nick> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:32:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 22:33:30.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[27F150B0:01C11BA3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 F8 I think we will > be in attendance because last years party was one of the best campouts I > have been to and I also got together with the love of my life. > > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com Last year it was at Camp and Sons but no longer because the place got trashed and F8 is banned from using it. That place is magical and I went there for 2 other parties last summer which I will never forget. Going there this weekend actually which is about the only thing I'm looking forward to at the moment. F8 this year is a maybe because I'm told it has a good line up and it's close by too. We'll see since I'm not big on the F8 scene. r --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70181-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:21:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94037 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:34:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94027 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:34:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802193421.12840.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] what's really go'in on? nrr if someone hands you a flyer for an event, do you automatically think there is some sort of conspiracy going on? do you think the same thing if someone offers to pay for your coffee? do you support bans on drugs because you care about the health of others or because you only believe what you are told? do you support the legalization of drugs because you care about the health of others or because you need to support your current habit? do you believe that the black market variety of salesmenship is the best way to go for any marketable product, even if it means that the lives of other human beings may be risked for your temporary profit fix? do you actually think deeply about anything, or do you just decide it must be another food craving? do you look both ways before you cross the street, and do you ever look at someone while in the midst of anger and realize that those are only your personal feelings, and that the person passing you isn't the one who has been pissing you off? :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70209-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:21:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78004 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:26:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77937 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:26:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802222606.32172.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Miss Jae Reply-To: jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com To: Boston Raves , DC Phreestylers , DCRaves , EastCoastRaves , Fresno Raves , MO Raves , Mountain Raves , MW Raves , NE Raves , Northwest Raves , NYC Raves , OldSchool , PB-CLE , Sacramento Raves , SFRaves , SoCal Raves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Juice Recordings Newsletter > === N E W S === > DJ Chris Gallagher's "Rippin Up Wax" is scheduled to > appear on Baby > Anne's new CD "Dark Side of the Boom". 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70233-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:22:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34480 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 01:22:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34470 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 01:22:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.158] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:21:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019B_01C11B7F.F17D93E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 01:22:30.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3B858B0:01C11BBA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] mopsy.flopsy.turns.two.two! ------=_NextPart_000_019B_01C11B7F.F17D93E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Big birthday hugz and plurz from bAmMbAmM to the other august bday = member of AEC! LiL-bUn-E-FoOFoO happy pwurday! In all seriousness or = lack there of, have a great birthday Jason =3D) pwur bAmMbAmM innocentchild ryan ------=_NextPart_000_019B_01C11B7F.F17D93E0-- From sfraves-return-70115-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:23:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51919 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 00:51:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51904 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 00:51:03 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:49:35 -0700 From: Maytag To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Local SF house mailing lists/boards? Hey Everyone, Do any of you local househeads know of any email lists or boards dedicated to house music? Im trying to locate some active lists or sites. TIA, mtg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70212-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:23:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93527 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:36:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93516 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:36:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DFD.07 o0][0][0o" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 22:36:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 22:36:31.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[93BF46D0:01C11BA3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? John Kelly >Personally, I have a thing for DJ Shady P. Very good electric breaks. > >At 1:00 AM -0400 8/2/01, Klatuu02@aol.com wrote: >>Tsuyoshi Suzuki or Josh Wink... >>we need more acid and breaks djs around the bay area.. >> >>peace >>-moksha > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70139-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:23:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95547 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 04:35:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95537 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 04:35:30 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:47:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: COME-UNITY FRIDAY, August 3 Hope you will be joining me on the dance floor this Friday with the rest of the Come-Unity family:) Friday August 3, 2001 COME-UNITY......under the stars Simon - Jeno - Phil Smart - Jon Williams Cosmik Jason - Keith O'rielly - Exo Jim Hickin - Johnny Brett - Opium Jones - Adnan MISSION ROCK 817 China Basin - 10pm-4am - 21up w/id 10 before 11:00/$15 after MALACHY ON HOUSE "When used with positive intention, Group energy has the potential to help restore the plan of Love on Earth...When you open your heart, and trust the whole group you dance with; when you feel love with everyone, and they return it, a higher vibration can be reached. This happens when a crowd is deep into the vibe of House...In the true sense of rhythmic movement, the effect is to align the physical, mental and emotional bodies with the Oneness of All that Is...Don't put out negative energy and feelings. Leave the old ways behind. Throw yourself into the winds of transformation and sow the seeds for a new world -- one where the human family is together again. When people respect each and care for each other as a community-organism...Spread the Peace!" Come join us for another evening of unity through house music and dance. Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70114-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:23:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42928 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 00:38:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42913 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 00:38:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.133.53.239] From: "Jason Dyloot" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:38:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 00:38:26.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[714E05E0:01C11AEB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: BUBBLEGUM SCI-FI this Thursday @... Hello again everyone... This Thursday is the return of club Bubblegum Sci-Fi. Hope to see you there. 9pm-2am 21+, full bar 280 7th St. @ Folsom in SF. $15 cover Two levels of dance plus an outdoor chill garden to enjoy. 415.437.4460 -smile :) Trance & NRG: MYSTRE TOM SLIK DYLOOT ALIAS DISKO SHAWN Jungle & 2-Step: BICOLAS B-DUB BEVERLY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70182-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:23:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98764 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:37:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98753 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:37:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802193715.7227.qmail@web5105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Seraphim - Sister SF To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RED ONE/SIREN/SERAPHIM/MS.E/LORIN-EKLEKTIC~HEKTIC SF Oh my gawd! This is going to be so much fun, a night not to be missed!!!!! I can't wait, I know for a fact all of us are going to be pulling out all the stops for this one ;) See you all there!!!! Seraphim --- // genome // wrote: > CHEGGIT, Genome here on behalf of dMarie and Groundscore. > > This week at Eklektic: > > --> R E D O N E [ram records, uk] >>> > The man running tings at Ram Records in the UK is here to > once again run tings on the Sucka Free dancefloor at > Eklektic! This guy does not fuck around as he proved to > us last time he rinsed it at Eklektic! You dont wanna > miss this! > =[http://www.ramrecords.co.uk]= > > --> S I R E N [groundscore, nyc] >>> > SHE'S BAAAAAACK! Back "home" in SF and at Eklektic from > NYC where we like her! Dont miss out on Sirens > triumphant return! > =[http://www.groundscore.net/siren]= > > --> S E R A P H I M [sister sf] >>> > Fresh off the heals from the Vans Warped tour, Seraphim > will make you shake your skatin ASS. > =[http://www.djseraphim.com]= > > This week at Hektic: > > --> M S . E [groundscore/future breaks fm/true intent] > >>> > Also fresh off the heals from the Vans Warped tour, lets > welcome her home! > =[http://www.groundscore.net/mse]= > > --> L O R I N [bassnecter] > > > ===================== > > Please check out the the newly redesigned (by yours > truly) Eklektic.net for more info! > > See you on the dancefloor! > > Genome [groundscore] > http://www.groundscore.net/genome > > ===================== > dMarie signature bidnizz: > > EKLEKTIC // HEKTIC // San Francisco Futurism Worldwide > Saturdays / Cat Club / 1190 Folsom @ 8th / 10pm-3am // > 415.332.5800x797 > DataBass: dMarie@groundscore.net > > > The club has installed new bass in both rooms. > > > ========= > > THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS > http://www.citizen7.com > http://www.dcshoes.com > http://www.knowledgemag.co.uk > > ========= > > EKLEKTIC = Drum & Bass Club > Resident DJs: Sage / Star Eyes / UFO! / Siren / Opening > D&B sets by Mikey J > > > HEKTIC = Nu-Step Breaks Club > Felix the Dog / Clockwork / Ms.E / Lee Coombs / Opening > Breaks sets by JRock > > > Vocalist: Audio Angel / Didgeridoin': Frogger > > ========== > > The GROUNDSCORE databass is secure. Your address is not > available to anyone. > To unsubscribe, send mail to dMarie@groundscore.net. > Subject: REMOVE > > > SEE YOU ON THE DANCEFLOOR! > keep your ear to the Ground > > > RESPECT > (get it and give it) > > > dMarie > http://www.groundscore.net/dMarie/ > Fuck - someone please write my damn bio! > > > E K L E K T I C // H E K T I C > http://www.eklektic.net/ > New design! Thanks subVersive Designs! > > > G R O U N D S C O R E > http://www.groundscore.net/ > This site is new and changing everyday. Thanks Qzen!Get > more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > ===== D J S E R A P H I M http://www.djseraphim.com http://www.sistersf.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70228-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:26:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85808 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 00:04:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85790 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 00:04:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803000449.12795.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: das To: killasubz@topica.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] sunmade....8.5.01.....BSP hey everybody, this sunday, august 5th, illumination and urbanassault are having a little daytime event. this will be the 2nd annual sunmade party. this will take place in the southbay at a nice outdoor venue. we'll be having bar-b-q, volleyball and horseshoes, along with djs playing everything from house to jungle. the djs are: serg rockwell jesse gonzales siphon justin hale bld michael liu das andy w we'll be going from 10am till sunset and hope some of you will come out and join us. more information can be found at www.urbanassault.org, www.killasubz.com or by calling 408.817.5670. ===== aim: dasthedj icq: 101064644 killasubz/urbanassault/lucid productions http://www.urbanassault.org http://www.killasubz.com http://djdas.djcentral.com http://www.junglist.com/profiles/das/ southbay ghetto bass : forward thinking culture __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70153-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:27:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37698 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 15:26:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37687 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 15:26:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:25:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: MODA cc: sfraves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? hoo wah! On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, MODA wrote: > ...or the person who put the Mystical Mayhem sticker on the inside of the > toilet seat at Happy Dognuts. I was extremely careful not to aim at > it.......;) MODA > > On 8/1/01 3:34 PM, "Kenneth Bice" wrote: > > > okay so check it, > > > > im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > > last night and on one of the light poles in the > > parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > > one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > > this was a light pole towards the back of the > > parking lot and they were almost covered up by > > trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > > for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > > who was the brilliant person who put them there? > > anyone have any clues? > > > > laterz, > > > > kenneth > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > T R A N C E F U S I O N M U S I C > 1809 Gouldin Road =80 Oakland =80 CA =80 94611 > PH. (415) 215-1612 FAX (510) 339-3887 > http://www.trancefusion.com > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70213-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:27:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99466 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:40:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99451 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:40:38 -0000 Message-ID: <006a01c11ba5$1f826e80$088bf7d1@brak> From: "Emily Edwards" To: "SFR" References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:47:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 Hey Kenneth...Shut yo mouth, if we want your opinion, we'll give it to you =) Break yo self! ~*Emily*~ www.core-nrg.net Freedom defined is freedom denied... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Bice" To: "Ecko" Cc: "COTS" ; "Chris V" ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 > hey nick, > > shove it... no one wants to hear anything from you. > > laterz, > > kenneth > > ps. im joking, but i wanted to be the first person to tear into you... hah > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Ecko wrote: > > > You know what..You don't even need to promote to sell a party out. People > > don't care who is throwing a party or who is spinning at the party. Most > > people that I meet at my parties don't know any of the dj's I booked they > > just saw the flyer at solid grooves. I've actually met some people that say > > they just go in and see what's on the white board and but a ticket for the > > party with the "coolest name". I think a lot of promoters over do it now > > days but I guess you gota do what ever you think will help your party sell > > out. Personally I like to walk up to people and strike up a conversation and > > find out what type of music they like and talk to them about the dj's I have > > on my flyer. This is usually a good way to get lesser know dj's a crowd > > interested in what they are going to play. Now as far as talent goes, yes it > > does sell out a massive. As far as the UG is concerned every party sells out > > because there aren't enough parties for everyone to go to. So just pick a > > good night and get the word around and that's all you need. And as far as > > cyberfest you would have to shoot me to get me to go, and F8 I think we will > > be in attendance because last years party was one of the best campouts I > > have been to and I also got together with the love of my life. > > > > Nick > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > To: "COTS" > > Cc: "Chris V" ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:50 PM > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 > > > > > > > your really an ass... > > > > > > check it though, i wouldnt set foot into cyberfest or f-8. > > > and i will never attend another cots party because of > > > something really really jacked one of the crew members > > > did to me. but the bottom line is this, jsut because you > > > promote the shit out of your party doesnt mean jack, > > > you can put flyers on peoples cars most end up on the > > > ground or in the trash, and just because you post flyers > > > on light poles doesnt mean shit either. yea the word gets > > > around but thats just the way it is... i could throw a > > > party and have donauld glaude there, i wouldnt have to > > > make flyers or tape them to light poles or anything of > > > the sort, but because he would be there you know the > > > party would sell out, its not the crazy promoting people > > > do its the quality, reputation and talent of a party that > > > dictates its attendence. > > > > > > iight im out. > > > > > > laterz, > > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, COTS wrote: > > > > > > > hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer on > > a > > > > taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about the > > > > party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom > > > > line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails keep > > > > adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming > > up....keep > > > > up the good work people.... > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM > > > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > > > > > > > "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email me." > > > > > > > > I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked two > > > > blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer "baby > > on > > > > board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down the > > > > block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that we > > > > didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying > > this > > > > was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" tactics. > > > > Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their > > overzealous > > > > "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage on > > the > > > > streets. > > > > > > > > -=Chris=- > > > > > > > > >From: "COTS" > > > > >To: "Kenneth Bice" > > > > >CC: > > > > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters > > (yea > > > > >F8 > > > > >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served > > it's > > > > >purpose... > > > > > > > > > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before > > the > > > > >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, > > i > > > > >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our > > meeting > > > > >point. > > > > > > > > > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned > > parenthood, > > > > >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > > > > > > > > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email > > me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >hahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > > > > >To: SF Raves List > > > > >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >okay so check it, > > > > > > > > > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > > > > >last night and on one of the light poles in the > > > > >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > > > > >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > > > > >this was a light pole towards the back of the > > > > >parking lot and they were almost covered up by > > > > >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > > > > >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > > > > >who was the brilliant person who put them there? > > > > >anyone have any clues? > > > > > > > > > >laterz, > > > > > > > > > >kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70183-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:27:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1091 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:40:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1081 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:40:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802194055.23835.qmail@web5104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Seraphim - Sister SF To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RED ONE/SIREN/SERAPHIM/MS.E/LORIN-EKLEKTIC~HEKTIC SF Oh my gosh! This is going to be so much fun, a night not to be missed!!!!! I can't wait, I know for a fact all of us are going to be pulling out all the stops for this one ;) See you all there!!!! Seraphim --- // genome // wrote: > CHEGGIT, Genome here on behalf of dMarie and Groundscore. > > This week at Eklektic: > > --> R E D O N E [ram records, uk] >>> > The man running tings at Ram Records in the UK is here to > once again run tings on the Sucka Free dancefloor at > Eklektic! This guy does not fuck around as he proved to > us last time he rinsed it at Eklektic! You dont wanna > miss this! > =[http://www.ramrecords.co.uk]= > > --> S I R E N [groundscore, nyc] >>> > SHE'S BAAAAAACK! Back "home" in SF and at Eklektic from > NYC where we like her! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70148-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:28:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73665 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 07:26:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73627 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 07:26:34 -0000 From: PhysixBAM@aol.com Message-ID: <16.1034f063.289a5a9d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 03:26:21 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Chocolate:The Freaky AfroNaut joins www.mixedculture.net Our very own Chocolate: The Freaky AfroNaut has joined www.mixedculture.net as their official house correspondent. He plans on reviewing records, posting news on the global house community, and interviewing various house DJs, such as David Hollands, Olav Basoski, Huggy (uk) and many many more. If you're a house label with upcoming news that you would like posted, give him a hollar at DjChocolateTFA@aol.com. If you have records, CDs, and/or other promos that you'd like to have reviewed send them to: House of Babylon / Physix Records c/o Chocolate 4084 Pendleton Way #282 Indpls IN 46226 Until then, check out www.mixedculture.net! Soon-to-be one of the net's best-kept-secrets on Electronic Music Culture! -Brandon B. Harris PHYSiX Booking & Artist Management --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70137-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:29:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81212 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 04:16:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81201 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 04:16:59 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c11b09$8dd9c780$1bd2f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: , References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:13:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] FAMILY AND FRIENDS Apollo wrote: > The Buddha says that praise and blame, gain and loss, pleasure and sorrow > come and go like the wind. To be happy, rest like a great tree in the midst > of them all. Well, I'm afraid I'm not very good at the "great tree" thingy. > There is one thing I know, however, and that is that you fine people deserve > only the best, from me and everyone else connected with the family. I > apologize for having forgotten that in my own little moment of anger and > frustration. I can only speak for myself, but I'm sure others on this list have had the same thoughts. Your apology, though unnecessary, is certainly accepted and I'm elated to know you will be continuing to share with us your immensely knowledgeable, amazingly clear, and always loving perspective. Thank you for being you Apollo, and thank you for not giving up on the rest of us. You exemplify Unity. Skies of Peace, Oceans of Love, and Mountains of Respect, A. Nonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70214-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:31:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4405 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:44:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4395 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:44:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: Emily Edwards cc: SFR In-Reply-To: <006a01c11ba5$1f826e80$088bf7d1@brak> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 iight foolio, im broke On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Emily Edwards wrote: > Hey Kenneth...Shut yo mouth, if we want your opinion, we'll give it to you > =) Break yo self! > > ~*Emily*~ > www.core-nrg.net > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Bice" > To: "Ecko" > Cc: "COTS" ; "Chris V" > ; > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 > > > > hey nick, > > > > shove it... no one wants to hear anything from you. > > > > laterz, > > > > kenneth > > > > ps. im joking, but i wanted to be the first person to tear into you... hah > > > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Ecko wrote: > > > > > You know what..You don't even need to promote to sell a party out. > People > > > don't care who is throwing a party or who is spinning at the party. Most > > > people that I meet at my parties don't know any of the dj's I booked > they > > > just saw the flyer at solid grooves. I've actually met some people that > say > > > they just go in and see what's on the white board and but a ticket for > the > > > party with the "coolest name". I think a lot of promoters over do it now > > > days but I guess you gota do what ever you think will help your party > sell > > > out. Personally I like to walk up to people and strike up a conversation > and > > > find out what type of music they like and talk to them about the dj's I > have > > > on my flyer. This is usually a good way to get lesser know dj's a crowd > > > interested in what they are going to play. Now as far as talent goes, > yes it > > > does sell out a massive. As far as the UG is concerned every party sells > out > > > because there aren't enough parties for everyone to go to. So just pick > a > > > good night and get the word around and that's all you need. And as far > as > > > cyberfest you would have to shoot me to get me to go, and F8 I think we > will > > > be in attendance because last years party was one of the best campouts I > > > have been to and I also got together with the love of my life. > > > > > > Nick > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > To: "COTS" > > > Cc: "Chris V" ; > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:50 PM > > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... cyberfest & F8 > > > > > > > > > > your really an ass... > > > > > > > > check it though, i wouldnt set foot into cyberfest or f-8. > > > > and i will never attend another cots party because of > > > > something really really jacked one of the crew members > > > > did to me. but the bottom line is this, jsut because you > > > > promote the shit out of your party doesnt mean jack, > > > > you can put flyers on peoples cars most end up on the > > > > ground or in the trash, and just because you post flyers > > > > on light poles doesnt mean shit either. yea the word gets > > > > around but thats just the way it is... i could throw a > > > > party and have donauld glaude there, i wouldnt have to > > > > make flyers or tape them to light poles or anything of > > > > the sort, but because he would be there you know the > > > > party would sell out, its not the crazy promoting people > > > > do its the quality, reputation and talent of a party that > > > > dictates its attendence. > > > > > > > > iight im out. > > > > > > > > laterz, > > > > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, COTS wrote: > > > > > > > > > hey perhaps your right, but my point is...some person see's a flyer > on > > > a > > > > > taco bell parking lot poll and then brings on a big discussion about > the > > > > > party and promotions....all your doing is helping out the bottom > > > > > line...spreading the word....like amway....so now all these emails > keep > > > > > adding up and reminding everybody that these parties are coming > > > up....keep > > > > > up the good work people.... > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Chris V [mailto:baronvonvarady@hotmail.com] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:28 PM > > > > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "So if you need someone to litter anywhere and everywhere, email > me." > > > > > > > > > > I got my car flyered last week at Ascension... oh, and I was parked > two > > > > > blocks away... oh, and I drive a big 'ol family van (do you flyer > "baby > > > on > > > > > board" station wagons, too?). Of course, every other car up and down > the > > > > > block was flyered as well, but I guess we should be _grateful_ that > we > > > > > didn't get posters duct-taped across our windsheilds. I'm not saying > > > this > > > > > was you in particular, but it was the same kind of "promotion" > tactics. > > > > > Perhaps DPW needs to fine some production companies for their > > > overzealous > > > > > "promotion" for what it really is... excessive, gratuitous garbage > on > > > the > > > > > streets. > > > > > > > > > > -=Chris=- > > > > > > > > > > >From: "COTS" > > > > > >To: "Kenneth Bice" > > > > > >CC: > > > > > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:40:43 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those > posters > > > (yea > > > > > >F8 > > > > > >too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it > served > > > it's > > > > > >purpose... > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell > before > > > the > > > > > >show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to > mention, > > > i > > > > > >didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our > > > meeting > > > > > >point. > > > > > > > > > > > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned > > > parenthood, > > > > > >etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > > > > > > > > > > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email > > > me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >hahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > > > > > >To: SF Raves List > > > > > >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >okay so check it, > > > > > > > > > > > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > > > > > >last night and on one of the light poles in the > > > > > >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > > > > > >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > > > > > >this was a light pole towards the back of the > > > > > >parking lot and they were almost covered up by > > > > > >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > > > > > >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > > > > > >who was the brilliant person who put them there? > > > > > >anyone have any clues? > > > > > > > > > > > >laterz, > > > > > > > > > > > >kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70215-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:31:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5149 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 22:44:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5119 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 22:44:30 -0000 From: gregvp@sprynet.com Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:44:26 -0400 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: innocentchild@hotmail.com Sender: gregvp@sprynet.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.35.147.89 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] who.wants.waffle house?? Oh my god! Ryan, I want to see that Waffle House menu. There are many things that I miss about Houston, TX with Waffle House being one of them, along with Tex-Mex and BBQ. Yeah, I like authentic mex, too, but they don't put rice in burritos in Texas. Sounds like a fun time in Atlanta. Will be good to see you again, though. Which way did you have those hash browns? We liked them scattered, smothered, covered topped. Oh yeah, the patty melt is good there. If anyone on the list can tell me where to get Chili Con Queso in the Bay Area I would appreciate it (besides Velveeta and Ro-tel dip). I know, that's way NRR, but everytime I go to get Mexican it's not on the menu. And if you find a good Chicken-fried steak tell the world! Seems like the food in Northern Cali is so healthy (not much fried). Greg (you can always dance off the deep-fry calories!) -----Original Message----- From: innocentchild [mailto:innocentchild@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:59 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] who.wants.waffle house?? Second time being in Atlanta and there's nothing quite like Waffle House at 4am! You've got the biggest bunch of tweaked out people working, dirt cheap food, and good food at that! I want Waffle House out here. Waffle House is GOOD. I stole a menu from the place and I should scan it so that all that dunno what I'm talking about can see. Scattered, smothered, covered, chunked, topped, diced and peppered! 3 people eating a bigger portion than Denny's for $15 at 4am. Can't find that southern cooking around here at that price and time! So I say again who wants some waffle house?? ryan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70138-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:32:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85249 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 04:19:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85239 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 04:19:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c1279c$5a215580$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: ".aryck." , "The_List" Cc: , , References: <027901c12791$e7c0d4c0$1ee5fea9@simmee> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:13:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: [scr] TECHNIC 1200 mk 2's ferr sale hehe Mk 2's . . . : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70083-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:34:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76586 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 19:46:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76567 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 19:46:54 -0000 From: ClockworkEventz@aol.com Message-ID: <40.f0a9d9e.2899b68a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:46:18 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_40.f0a9d9e.2899b68a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] About the Mekka tour... --part1_40.f0a9d9e.2899b68a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alot of raver rumors have been floating around about the Mekka tour being cancelled. I'm sorry to announce that the entire tour has been cancelled. Everything was lined up, and ready to rock, and the Mekka people felt it was neccesary to pull out before heading into a financial disaster. Now that the Mekka show has been cancelled there are other alternatives for labor day weekend. One would be Feel Good's Megga Buzz event at the Bill Graham Civic auditorium, Insomniac's Nocturnal Wonderland down in socal, and of course the Burning Man. Clockwork does apologize for getting peoples hopes up for this event. However we are currently working on the next Atlantis party, which will happen sometime before the end of the year. I will definately keep all of you posted. Be on the look out for some Clockwork monthly one offs with special guest DJ's. And for those of you who are 21+ check us out at the Backbeat in Santa Clara on Friday August, 17, as we open a series of monthlies at the Backbeat. Once again Clockwork apologizes for any inconvience, and we hope you can find a different alternative for Labor Day weekend. Thanks for your time and concern. Cheers! jasenC Clockworkeventz --part1_40.f0a9d9e.2899b68a_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70184-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:35:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8656 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:48:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8646 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:48:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3B69AF34.FAA6A616@home.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:51:18 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: COTS , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? All I know is it pisses me off to see cyberfest posters at Taco Bell or randon places (planned parenthood!?!). If an event needs that much random promoting and basically littering then holy shit. Do you think you are actually going to get new people by putting posters up at Taco Bell? Sure people will notice it, but this is someone who already knew about the events. When I see posters up at places like this I rip them down and recycle them. I hope no-one else enlists you for their promotions based on this e-mail. Bah. Lydia COTS wrote: > Well that happend to be me, i'm the idiot who hung up those posters (yea F8 > too, wuz up with the extra props?)....and i actually think it served it's > purpose... > > and if you ever go to a shoreline show and stop at taco bell before the > show you will see countless people going to the bell...not to mention, i > didnt just pick this taco location to start promoting, this was our meeting > point. > > i promote every where i go, taco bells, gas stations, planned parenthood, > etc. it's a large music festival(s), what do you expect? > > *So a quick plug for myself....if you need event promotions email me... > > hahaha > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:34 PM > To: SF Raves List > Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? > > okay so check it, > > im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" > last night and on one of the light poles in the > parking lot i see to small posters taped there... > one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you > this was a light pole towards the back of the > parking lot and they were almost covered up by > trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off > for a bit and then left... but i was wondering > who was the brilliant person who put them there? > anyone have any clues? > > laterz, > > kenneth > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70152-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:35:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83606 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 11:31:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83595 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 11:31:47 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.28] Message-Id: <20010802113147.6B7F42747@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Mekka Tour I dunno if this was posted already & I'm totally Lame, but I was on CDNow window shopping for vinyl & ran across this http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=183559195/pagename=/RP/ALLSTAR/article.html/fid=280751 == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70135-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:37:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76396 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 04:12:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76386 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 04:12:23 -0000 Message-ID: <051d01c11b08$fdd3f7a0$ca95d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: "sfxtc" , Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:28:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ONE SUMMER NIGHT!! FREE!! [BSP] did anyone else go to this party -----Original Message----- From: sfxtc To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: [sfraves] ONE SUMMER NIGHT!! FREE!! [BSP] >SATURDAY, JULY 28th... > >UNDERGROUND SOUNDS PRESENTS... > >***ONE SUMMER NIGHT*** > >This will be a free all ages event with an old school, >underground vibe. All responsible people with good >vibes are welcome to come dance with us till 4am in an >indoor, two room, private venue, located in the North >Bay just 20 min. north of SF!!! > >With DJ's on two PHAT ASS sound systems... > >CURTIS > >WILLOW > >DIVERSION > >BEN KENOBI > >DJ SHHHHH > >ALAIN OCTAVIO [NATIVE VISION, SF] > >DJ UNDERCOVER > >CARLO > > >For invitations and directions call 415.256.4125 > >If anyone would like to help with anything like >lights, or visuals(especially blacklights!!!) it would >be much appreciated =)!! Call 707.973.2025, or >707.732.6736. > >~peace~ > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70134-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:37:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67134 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 04:00:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67123 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 04:00:09 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:10:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C11ACE.65FC4020" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Dancin ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C11ACE.65FC4020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dance – 8/1/01 Dancing to the soul of the world Breathing hope into society Natural liquid movements Sparks an eye from afar An eye like the sun Glowing its warm glow Wanting to set But don’t blink, don’t set For an amazing sight will be lost This sun must shine forever For our souls to live on; Dancing… ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C11ACE.65FC4020-- From sfraves-return-70136-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:37:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76734 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 04:12:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76636 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 04:12:26 -0000 Message-ID: <051e01c11b08$ff1159a0$ca95d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: , Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:43:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] cyberfest ??? did anyone else hear about the venue change for cyberfest its at the cowpalace now -----Original Message----- From: XViVrAnTpNoY76x@aol.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, July 29, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: [sfraves] cyberfest ??? >hey does anyone know about the party bus to cyberfest?? >i wanna go but don't feel like drivin...so any info on the party bus would >help > >peace >j. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70185-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:37:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10373 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:50:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10363 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:50:47 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: netserf@kapu.net, grint418@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:50:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 19:50:22.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D82F740:01C11B8C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com >Please consider the logic here. as you wish... >...it will be professional organizations like Creamfields that pay the >legal teams, bring in the ACLU, resist the shut-it-all down efforts of the >DEA, and establish for good and all the legal right to rave. well, as of yet there's no evidence i've seen or heard of that Cream--or any other massive promoter--is doing any of the things you mention for any purpose other than to promulgate their own--and *owned*--for-profit events. Nor any evidence or commitment on their part to do so in the future. what's, e.g., Creamfields done to help SFLNC? or Twilo? anything at all? >How else do you expect to counter moves like the government's promise of >federal funds to states that close down rave venues? by GETTING OFF THEIR RADAR SCREEN. which radio ads for massives up and down the West Coast, front-page articles (with attendant blather about "ravers on E") in local newspapers, etc. certainly doesn't *help.* >Meanwhile, since law enforcement essentially can't tell an Area:One from a >Popsikle or a Cyberfest from Serenity, a variety of "visible" events will >benefit from the deep pockets and profit motive of a few. to maintain that "law enforcement" can't tell the difference between Area:One--which was a concert event, on a concert schedule (music silent by 11:00), in a SFX-controlled concert venue with city-dictated security, sound, traffic, and other requirements--from Popsikle or Serenity is simply absurd. >And with each increase in "visible" events the UG will have a much improved >chance to get out of the media microscope and regain the invisibility (to >the mainstream) it needs to survive and remain UG. once again, this is utterly absurd on a logical level: to the contrary, each increase in visible events creates more media interest, more interest on the part of more "scene tourists," and more fodder for the Incident and Arrest Report Logs, which then inevitably results in MORE pressure on the underground...just as it did in the days of psychedelia and/or punk. eventually, the combination of high-volume corporate competition and the tender attention of the social-control apparatus drives the underground into a position where it's impossible for it to survive, and as such, compete with the corporate moguls. check the history of the San Francisco rock scene, and note how Bill Graham's cartelization forced Chet Helms and all the other independent rock promoters out of SF. the basic equation: more publicity = more attention = more problems. as it was--for the Beats, the hippies, the 70s clubbers, the punkers, the Goths, and the rap community--is now, and ever shall be. the more the moneyed interests and the control structure know about an underground culture, and the deeper the love and need for the object of that culture on the part of its members, the more they'll strive to shut down everything they can't buy off. >You can never, ever, EVER go back in time and make things the way they used >to be. that's not the situation, nor is it my argument. i have no interest in making things "the way they used to be"...my interest is in trying to keep this scene from driving off a cliff on the assumption that the piles of money at the bottom will cushion its fall. >You will always be happier and better off to ride the changes, embrace the >new--and whenever possible try to see a few steps ahead down the road. however, if it's clear and obvious--and established by precedent of US underground cultures dating as far back as the 1940s--that the "road" in question leads to a destination that it would be destructive to visit, one will "always be happier and better off" to say "no, thanks...i've seen the ending of this one before. next comes the part where they cram us into ugly civic facilities and charge us $40 a head to hear the music we love...oh, wait, we're already there." those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70186-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11240 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:50:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11208 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:50:54 -0000 Message-ID: <00d601c11b8c$1b2203f0$1bd2f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "vix" , "Augie Dogg" , References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:48:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation fromnme.com I've been rather outspoken against massives too, but vix makes some excellent points. I continue to think that we should underscore the difference between the commercial scene and the UG scene though. On one hand, massives can be a great buffer and can attract attention away from the UG, but on the other, they attract attention to raving in general and, unfortunately, define it in the minds of the public. I simply like to remind people that massives are not what the scene is truly about. I don't have anything against anyone who goes to one even though I don't go to them myself, and I don't have anything against the people that throw them either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "vix" To: "Augie Dogg" ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation fromnme.com > I know Howlin Bob and wishfm will disagree, and guys I respect your point of > view--but commercial events like these will help us far more than hurt. > > Reality: U.S. ravers, like most, aren't political, aren't organized, spend > way too much energy infighting, and for sure aren't rich. It would be nice > if these things changed, but in the meantime it will be professional > organizations like Creamfields that pay the legal teams, bring in the ACLU, > resist the shut-it-all down efforts of the DEA, and establish for good and > all the legal right to rave. These things will take money and clout party > kids don't have. How else do you expect to counter moves like the > government's promise of federal funds to states that close down rave venues? > > Meanwhile, since law enforcement essentially can't tell an Area:One from a > Popsikle or a Cyberfest from Serenity, a variety of "visible" events will > benefit from the deep pockets and profit motive of a few. And with each > increase in "visible" events the UG will have a much improved chance to get > out of the media microscope and regain the invisibility (to the mainstream) > it needs to survive and remain UG. > > I'm sorry when a commercial massive doesn't go off; for whatever reason it > was cancelled it's an opportunity missed for the scene as a whole. > > Remember: you don't have to go to a massive to benefit from this scenario. > You don't have to like the people who do go to them, or the people who throw > them. It doesn't matter. I swear in some ways the Bay Area is awfully > conservative. Who cares what other people do for fun? Let it go. > > Please consider the logic here. If there is one thing I've learned as an, > ahem, older raver it is this: You can never, ever, EVER go back in time and > make things the way they used to be. You will always be happier and better > off to ride the changes, embrace the new--and whenever possible try to see a > few steps ahead down the road. > > vix > > > > > call it commercial failure, cities pulling permits, media scrutinization, > > whatever - i'm sure that it would have been a huge success, being nearly two > > months away. > > > > area 51, nation in LA, mekka, creamfields, its certainly unfortunate. > > > > -augie > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > > To: grint418@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from > > nme.com > > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:45:15 -0700 > > > >> the cancellation of creamfields really sucks. i was really looking forward > >> to this event in las vegas! ah, the crackdown on dance culture > >> continues.... > >> > > > > "crackdown"? more like "commercial failure." you know, every single > > unfortunate thing that happens to the rave scene isn't the government's > > fault. events in all genres of entertainment get cancelled when the > > promoter can't sell enough tickets to make a profit. > > > > --hb > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70187-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:37:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11572 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 19:50:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11548 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 19:50:58 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] LESS IS PERHAPS MORE I know many of you are disappointed with the failure of many of the large commercial events -- not "raves" -- lately. Those who are in it for the money will inevitably fail; those in it for the love and music have nothing to fear. Look around you. One doesn't need "headliners" to experience a good party or "rave." We have more than enough talent in the Bay Area to provide good music. On this list there are quite a number of emerging DJs who are crafting new styles and directions, for example. Perhaps we should spend more time cultivating what we have, rather than bemoaning the failures of big promoters who have lost touch with the spirit and magic of our community. A little note for today. Got to get back to work. Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70084-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:37:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82280 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 19:50:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82269 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 19:50:27 -0000 From: XViVrAnTpNoY76x@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.182c49a4.2899b779@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:50:17 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3b.182c49a4.2899b779_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Cyberfest mix up?? --part1_3b.182c49a4.2899b779_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i sent my friend to get us some cyberfest tix and he tells me that it's at the cow palace now instead of 3com...is this true...can anyone clear this up?? --part1_3b.182c49a4.2899b779_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70113-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:38:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36232 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 00:28:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36206 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 00:28:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802002810.64672.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:28:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Miss Jae Reply-To: jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com To: Fresno Raves , Sacramento Raves , SFRaves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? hey all - what djs would you like to come around to sf and would be worth the money to hear? not locals, but national and international? House? Breaks? Trance/Tech House? D&B? thanks! jaemi ===== _____________________________ Jaemi Swope Promotions/PR Juice Recordings jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com www.gotjuice.com Cell: 510-206-5236 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70159-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:39:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29742 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 16:49:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29729 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 16:49:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.175.107.250] From: "weenie patchu" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:48:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 16:48:40.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB618AE0:01C11B72] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] What's going on for the Full Moon? I want to go dance under the moon this weekend. I was wondering if anyone knew if anything was going on. Thanks much. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70170-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:39:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31058 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 18:27:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31009 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 18:27:43 -0000 From: "2am Artist Management" To: Cc: "Sfraves@Hyperreal. Org" , "SE-RAVES@hyperreal. org" , "Sacraves@Hyperreal. Org" , "Pb-Cle-Raves@Hyperreal. Org" , "Nyc-Raves@Hyperreal. Org" , "Fresnoraves@Hyperreal. Org" , "Dcraves@Hyperreal. Org" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:21:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C11B5E.68C4FAA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Josh "The Funky 1" Availability ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C11B5E.68C4FAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Availability dates for: Josh "The funky 1" IHR/Defected/UC Music/Kid Dynamite, Chicago August - 24th September - 1st, 7th, 8th, 14th, 22nd, 28th In support of Josh's latest CD "Digital Funk 2" with DJ Jes One we are accepting these available dates for his CD release tour. Any inquiries please be sure and contact the 2am office promptly. 2am Artist Management 132 Mineral Spring Ave. Pawtucket, RI. 02860 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Web: www.2amartists.com Fon: 401.727.8878 Fax: 401.727.8822 ~ Digital Rythmatics @ 2am~ ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C11B5E.68C4FAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C11B5E.68C4FAA0-- From sfraves-return-70256-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:41:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6616 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 17:41:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6603 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 17:41:26 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.244.2.94] From: "Augie Dogg" To: netserf@kapu.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:40:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 17:40:58.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[74702E20:01C11C43] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com okay, not beat the deadhorse here on this issue but vix, you have some great points and i completely agree with you. just think the brits do it well, why cant we? well while some of us think we know that answer just keep in mind that the music is commercialized over in the UK and the rest of europe and what we are going through in the US as a scene, they dealt with 10 years ago.... augie ----Original Message Follows---- From: vix To: Augie Dogg , Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:02:45 -0700 I know Howlin Bob and wishfm will disagree, and guys I respect your point of view--but commercial events like these will help us far more than hurt. Reality: U.S. ravers, like most, aren't political, aren't organized, spend way too much energy infighting, and for sure aren't rich. It would be nice if these things changed, but in the meantime it will be professional organizations like Creamfields that pay the legal teams, bring in the ACLU, resist the shut-it-all down efforts of the DEA, and establish for good and all the legal right to rave. These things will take money and clout party kids don't have. How else do you expect to counter moves like the government's promise of federal funds to states that close down rave venues? Meanwhile, since law enforcement essentially can't tell an Area:One from a Popsikle or a Cyberfest from Serenity, a variety of "visible" events will benefit from the deep pockets and profit motive of a few. And with each increase in "visible" events the UG will have a much improved chance to get out of the media microscope and regain the invisibility (to the mainstream) it needs to survive and remain UG. I'm sorry when a commercial massive doesn't go off; for whatever reason it was cancelled it's an opportunity missed for the scene as a whole. Remember: you don't have to go to a massive to benefit from this scenario. You don't have to like the people who do go to them, or the people who throw them. It doesn't matter. I swear in some ways the Bay Area is awfully conservative. Who cares what other people do for fun? Let it go. Please consider the logic here. If there is one thing I've learned as an, ahem, older raver it is this: You can never, ever, EVER go back in time and make things the way they used to be. You will always be happier and better off to ride the changes, embrace the new--and whenever possible try to see a few steps ahead down the road. vix > call it commercial failure, cities pulling permits, media scrutinization, > whatever - i'm sure that it would have been a huge success, being nearly two > months away. > > area 51, nation in LA, mekka, creamfields, its certainly unfortunate. > > -augie > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > To: grint418@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from > nme.com > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:45:15 -0700 > >> the cancellation of creamfields really sucks. i was really looking forward >> to this event in las vegas! ah, the crackdown on dance culture >> continues.... >> > > "crackdown"? more like "commercial failure." you know, every single > unfortunate thing that happens to the rave scene isn't the government's > fault. events in all genres of entertainment get cancelled when the > promoter can't sell enough tickets to make a profit. > > --hb > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70112-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:44:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29808 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 00:20:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29796 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 00:20:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Phaedrus" To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c11ae9$d6b6f060$8d14fea9@binary.finary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The opinion stated herein does not necessarily reflect the views of this station. So we live in a police state. What's new? A while ago, somebody sent out an E-mail outlining the "stages in the life of a raver." Somebody should remember, the one that said you go through the "candy" period, then the "I'm not a raver, I just go to parties" period. That was pretty funny. Know where I can find that? Anyway, I've been skimming over the digest lately, and taking a quick look at subjects - mostly party reviews, BSP's, rollcalls, etc. I haven't been to a party in the bay area since Life last December. So what have parties been like lately, out of curiosity? Big? over 500 heads? Security so tight you could bounce a quarter off it? Enough badges to start a new precinct? I hear chill rooms are so illegal now you get cops in on the party to keep people from sitting down. That's a laugh - enforced dancing! Let's not even joke about water bottles and glowsticks being drug paraphernalia... Part of what I liked so much about the rave scene when I started was the fact that I was surrounded by people who think - people that aren't out to buy an SUV, a house, get married and have 2.5 kids somewhere in the suburbs. People who understand that we possess ourselves, and nobody can tell us what to do with the bodies and minds we have. I seem to remember our magnanimous experts - sociologists, economists, etc. - saying that society will mirror trends of the economy. When the money goes away, times get rough, people get pissed off, things get bad. It looks that way for the rave scene. I've heard a lot of people tell me "well, that was just a period in my life" when they talk about raving. I think those people missed the point. Everybody thinks they've got my future figured out for me. "You'll get married one day," they tell me. "You'll want to buy a house, it's a great investment." "You know, you'll want kids someday." Please don't ever tell me those things. It just pisses me off. I have a hard time seeing those things being in my life without me voting republican and worried about my stock portfolio. Part of what's pissing me off about this whole "being told how to live" thing is that I'm constantly being told that I need to quit partying and "focus on my priorities." I suspect that's what a lot of you all are pissed off about too. And I think one of the biggest components of that is that we're being told how to live our lives. I'm sure that pisses you all off as much as it pisses me off. The point then, is that if you really have raved at some point in your life, you'll never quit. You may never go to another party again, but the spirit of raving will always be with you. It's the spirit that says you have your own mind, and your own body, and you'll do what you damn well please with it. Your life is yours to keep, and you'll live it how you see fit. And if an SUV, 2.5 kids, a house in the suburbs, and a stock portfolio don't fit into it, EVER, that's YOUR business and YOURS alone. I'm sure there's a lot of people that know Heartlove. I know there's been posts about old people at raves. Personally, I think that's cool as hell, and I'd love to be the old guy that everybody sees at parties. But as I said, even if you never attend another party again, there's something you've got to take with you from raving into whatever path you move to - otherwise you've just been a tourist at raves, and never once a raver. Peace, y'all. - Graham Flames directed to me as usual. I miss y'all and as soon as I get a damn job I'll see ya. "I cannot live an unexamined life." - Socrates, last words. * * * * * * * * * * * P H A E D R U S * * *FreedomRingSF* * _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70157-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:45:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81564 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 16:05:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81554 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 16:05:07 -0000 From: "s n r g y" To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:02:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HEMPLIFIED Well, there's supposedly a Hemplified showcase at cyberfest. Instead of a full party. We were too busy this summer to pull the show. Although, fear not hemplified will be coming back in full force@!@! whirled peas, s http://www.childrenofthesun.org/ > any information on hemplified at all? Anyone going? If so, email me! I need > to know a thing or two and possibly a ride... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70257-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:45:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12785 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 17:45:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12774 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 17:45:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803174538.17384.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Byers To: Sarilion Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010803101713.00a02350@qix.netcorps.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 2: Should all parties be 18 and over? NO!!!! The all ages thing is scary...espically to promoters. I'm sorry, but 15-17 probably shouldn't be out till the wee hours.... There should be clubs that are 18-20 and 21&up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70111-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:46:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21447 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 00:10:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21383 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 00:10:16 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.20.56.38] From: "Macadio G." To: andy@saturn5.com, kgb@dreamscape.org Cc: starkand_e@yahoo.com, rachel_bronstein@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:09:43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 00:09:43.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E9FF9B0:01C11AE7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP TWITA.. Macadio >From: AndyW >To: Kenneth Bice >CC: Jamie Murray , R Bronstein >, sf raves >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. >BSP >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) > > >If what Tronic plays is US hardhouse, what should we call VERY different >sounding music that used to be considered domestic hardhouse like harder >stuff on the UC or Greedy labels? > >andyw > >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Kenneth Bice wrote: > >-&e->us hard house >-&e-> >-&e->On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jamie Murray wrote: >-&e-> >-&e->> 18 and up with id >-&e->> I am so going to be there this night. Cannot miss my >-&e->> boy Tronic ;D and his uk hard house, or will you be >-&e->> doing hhc. doesn't matter as long as your there >-&e->> tearing up as always. >-&e->> Hope to see you out there that night Rach. >-&e->> Say hi I'll be the one on the dance floor. >-&e->> teehee >-&e->> Jamie >-&e->> --- R Bronstein wrote: >-&e->> > can anyone tell me if its 21+ or not. Thanks >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Rach =} >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > ----Original Message Follows---- >-&e->> > From: "DJ Tronic" >-&e->> > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >-&e->> > Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N >-&e->> > Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP >-&e->> > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Aight.. just tossin this one out so everyone knows >-&e->> > about it early.. make >-&e->> > your plans to get to Club Matrix West-Friday, August >-&e->> > 10th!! Here's the >-&e->> > lineup: >-&e->> > >-&e->> > $10 admission BEFORE 10:30 >-&e->> > $15 admission after 10:30 >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and Bass-Hardcore >-&e->> > >-&e->> > *Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 >-&e->> > Turntables!!** >-&e->> > >-&e->> > :: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* >-&e->> > Cloudskipper (Supernova >-&e->> > Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > **One of the Most Respected and Best Drum and Bass >-&e->> > DJs in the Bay Area** >-&e->> > >-&e->> > :: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > .supporting cast. >-&e->> > >-&e->> > : Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova >-&e->> > Recordings-Sacramento) >-&e->> > : Mikey J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) >-&e->> > : Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) >-&e->> > : Scotty (Spin Knowledge) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno >-&e->> > >-&e->> > **One of the Most Talented US Hard House Producers >-&e->> > Today** >-&e->> > >-&e->> > :: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los >-&e->> > Angeles) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > .supporting cast. >-&e->> > >-&e->> > : Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) >-&e->> > : Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) >-&e->> > : Lewis (Spin Knowledge) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Just lettin everyone know about this one.. should be >-&e->> > off the hook! Make the >-&e->> > plans to get there early!! ;) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Andy >-&e->> > Tronic >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> _________________________________________________________________ >-&e->> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >-&e->> > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-&e->> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >-&e->> > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >-&e->> > For additional commands, e-mail: >-&e->> > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> _________________________________________________________________ >-&e->> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >-&e->> > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-&e->> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >-&e->> > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >-&e->> > For additional commands, e-mail: >-&e->> > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >-&e->> > >-&e->> >-&e->> >-&e->> __________________________________________________ >-&e->> Do You Yahoo!? >-&e->> Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! >Messenger >-&e->> http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >-&e->> >-&e->> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-&e->> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >-&e->> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >-&e->> >-&e->> >-&e-> >-&e-> >-&e->--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-&e->To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >-&e->For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >-&e-> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70081-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:47:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16282 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 19:05:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16272 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 19:05:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.214.121.63] From: "Solmatic Records" To: djhuey@crackdealer.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:04:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 19:04:51.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7396040:01C11ABC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Joey Mazzola @Contruction Free mix tapes for the construction crowd ! See you there -Joey >From: "dj huey" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Joey Mazzola @Contruction >Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:19:42 -0700 > >Hello peeps.......this wed night we are proud to have our monthly resident >Joey Mazzola grace the decks with a special 2 hour set. Come on down and >get your boogie on :) and as usual free to everyone on sfr........so e-mail >me with an rsvp >Construction >330 ritch >18+ > >------------------------------------------------------------ >[- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70082-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:47:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17195 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 19:05:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17162 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 19:05:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010801190526.39841.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: "Macadio G." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blah on you...nrr people care, mac. *muah*!!!!!! see? i am not into cheap shots by the way, and i think that anyone who needs to be told that isn't my type really. i *EARN* my spankings. :) --- "Macadio G." wrote: > mmm kay, > > Not like ANYONE really cares... > > > >From: Geri Dahl > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] blah on you...nrr > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > >whatever, whatever...gotta go, someone needs this > >computer, and i don't. :) > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70258-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:47:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14544 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 17:47:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14521 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 17:47:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803174722.79498.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Byers To: apollo@speakeasy.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: COME-UNITY TONIGHT!!! I thought Phil Smart is playing tonight.....? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70133-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:47:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61705 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 03:46:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61693 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 03:46:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010802034607.9039.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:46:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Presser To: BodhiInSF@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <115.29010a5.289a1c01@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 1: Should promoters advertize more to an older crowd? That actually depends on the promoter and what kind of crowd he/she wants to attract. There are already a lot of promoters out there, whether intentionally or inadvertently, who already promote to a predominantly older crowd - 21+ easily. Stephen Aquarius, Rubber, and even Funky Tekno Tribe, to name a few, all attract a well over 21+ crowd to their parties. I've been to parties thrown by each, which have had a pretty good cross-section of partiers - ranging from lingerie flamboyant, club glam, straight clubbers, and to ghetto and stylie ravers, but they all had a large 21+ crowd. The popular media, by the way, has long coined ALL of the aforementioned types of parties as "raves". Personally, I don't really care "who" a promoter promotes to, and what kind of party it is, but if I leave the place with a smile on my face, it was a GOOD party. If I had my way, I would just promote to anyone who would help make the party "one that has you leaving w/a smile on your face". Cause ultimately, once you've handed your 30-60+ bones over, gotten through the hassle of getting to wherever the party is, waited in line, and "whatever", AFTER ALL THAT, ALL you REALLY want is to leave the party w/a smile on your face. Anything less is just plain WRONG. Besides, people who are partying with the right frame of mind belong w/the same no matter how old they are (unless, of course, alcohol is being served - and I like my alcohol). People of different age groups have a lot of things to share with each other. Older partiers are reminded of why they got into partying in the first place. Younger partiers learn that partying doesn't stop at 23. In fact, it's at parties where I'll find the greatest diversity in ages. There's no way in hell I'd get that at work. In college? Some, but no where near the range. And high school? When was the last time seniors wanted to hang out w/freshmen??? It basically all boils down to what kind of party a promoter wants to throw and who he wants at his party, because they are the ones, afterall, who are marketing it. Rick --- BodhiInSF@aol.com wrote: > Probably a lot of people didn't read my post > about older people at raves > because it was too hella long for them to take the > time to read (as usual!). > But I though I brought up some important issues and > questions, and I want to > stir up a discussion about these issues and get > people's opinions on some > questions I asked. > So here is question # 1. Please don't flame. > Disagree, but be respectful > of other people's opinion even if you don't agree > with it. Should promoters > direct the advertising of their parties more to an > older crowd and less to > young kids, IM talking mainly about high schoolers > and underaged kids? > I'll ask question # 2 tomorrow. Peace, love and > hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70107-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:49:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92466 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 23:47:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92455 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 23:47:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: Kenneth Bice cc: Jamie Murray , R Bronstein , sf raves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP If what Tronic plays is US hardhouse, what should we call VERY different sounding music that used to be considered domestic hardhouse like harder stuff on the UC or Greedy labels? andyw On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Kenneth Bice wrote: -&e->us hard house -&e-> -&e->On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jamie Murray wrote: -&e-> -&e->> 18 and up with id -&e->> I am so going to be there this night. Cannot miss my -&e->> boy Tronic ;D and his uk hard house, or will you be -&e->> doing hhc. doesn't matter as long as your there -&e->> tearing up as always. -&e->> Hope to see you out there that night Rach. -&e->> Say hi I'll be the one on the dance floor. -&e->> teehee -&e->> Jamie -&e->> --- R Bronstein wrote: -&e->> > can anyone tell me if its 21+ or not. Thanks -&e->> > -&e->> > Rach =} -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> > ----Original Message Follows---- -&e->> > From: "DJ Tronic" -&e->> > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org -&e->> > Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N -&e->> > Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP -&e->> > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 -&e->> > -&e->> > Aight.. just tossin this one out so everyone knows -&e->> > about it early.. make -&e->> > your plans to get to Club Matrix West-Friday, August -&e->> > 10th!! Here's the -&e->> > lineup: -&e->> > -&e->> > $10 admission BEFORE 10:30 -&e->> > $15 admission after 10:30 -&e->> > -&e->> > Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and Bass-Hardcore -&e->> > -&e->> > *Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 -&e->> > Turntables!!** -&e->> > -&e->> > :: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* -&e->> > Cloudskipper (Supernova -&e->> > Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) -&e->> > -&e->> > **One of the Most Respected and Best Drum and Bass -&e->> > DJs in the Bay Area** -&e->> > -&e->> > :: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) -&e->> > -&e->> > .supporting cast. -&e->> > -&e->> > : Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova -&e->> > Recordings-Sacramento) -&e->> > : Mikey J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) -&e->> > : Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) -&e->> > : Scotty (Spin Knowledge) -&e->> > -&e->> > Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno -&e->> > -&e->> > **One of the Most Talented US Hard House Producers -&e->> > Today** -&e->> > -&e->> > :: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los -&e->> > Angeles) -&e->> > -&e->> > .supporting cast. -&e->> > -&e->> > : Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) -&e->> > : Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) -&e->> > : Lewis (Spin Knowledge) -&e->> > -&e->> > Just lettin everyone know about this one.. should be -&e->> > off the hook! Make the -&e->> > plans to get there early!! ;) -&e->> > -&e->> > Andy -&e->> > Tronic -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> _________________________________________________________________ -&e->> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at -&e->> > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> --------------------------------------------------------------------- -&e->> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: -&e->> > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org -&e->> > For additional commands, e-mail: -&e->> > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> _________________________________________________________________ -&e->> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at -&e->> > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> > -&e->> --------------------------------------------------------------------- -&e->> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: -&e->> > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org -&e->> > For additional commands, e-mail: -&e->> > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -&e->> > -&e->> -&e->> -&e->> __________________________________________________ -&e->> Do You Yahoo!? -&e->> Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger -&e->> http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -&e->> -&e->> --------------------------------------------------------------------- -&e->> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org -&e->> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -&e->> -&e->> -&e-> -&e-> -&e->--------------------------------------------------------------------- -&e->To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org -&e->For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -&e-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70108-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:51:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94593 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 23:49:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94583 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 23:49:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20010801234939.64237.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tera Ball To: Kenneth Bice , SF Raves List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1072037424-996709779=:62208" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? --0-1072037424-996709779=:62208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well you saw it, so it wasn't completely worthless! Kenneth Bice wrote: okay so check it, im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" last night and on one of the light poles in the parking lot i see to small posters taped there... one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you this was a light pole towards the back of the parking lot and they were almost covered up by trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off for a bit and then left... but i was wondering who was the brilliant person who put them there? anyone have any clues? laterz, kenneth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1072037424-996709779=:62208-- From sfraves-return-70109-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:55:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98430 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 23:53:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98403 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 23:53:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DFD.07 o0][0][0o" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:53:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 23:53:00.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[18680DF0:01C11AE5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? Well, you saw them....Now these two parties are sticking in your head so much that you had to share it w/hundreds of other people, making you an accomplice to their promotion scheme so it worked out pretty good for those promoters ;] J- >okay so check it, > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" >last night and on one of the light poles in the >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you >this was a light pole towards the back of the >parking lot and they were almost covered up by >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering >who was the brilliant person who put them there? >anyone have any clues? > >laterz, > >kenneth > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70110-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:57:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 706 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 23:55:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 688 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 23:54:59 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency8@squinky.org From: Shaman Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:52:44 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-201-80-14.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.14]; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:54:53 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR; Room For Rent - Santa Rosa (northbay) Hey All, My roommate just moved out, so I have a room for rent in a 2 BR apartment. It's $400 /mo + $600 dep. + 1/2 utilities... There's no noise regulations, as it is on a main street with no neighbors (that don't like loud music, anyways) It's right across from the Junior College, There's a parking lot, and it's right next to a deli and yogurt shop. Must be able to tolerate at least 1 hour of loud electronic music per day... For more info, page or voice mail me at: (707)325-2606 Baked, Not Fried, Shaman --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70106-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:58:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85665 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 23:43:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85652 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 23:43:13 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.161.200.28] From: "- shannon -" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:42:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 23:42:42.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7FA1F50:01C11AE3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? Yah it may have been i dumb idea to put the posters there, but you saw them right? And you go to parties right? Soo maybe it was not all of a bad idea. *See You On The Dance Floor* >From: Kenneth Bice >To: SF Raves List >Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:34:04 -0700 (PDT) > >okay so check it, > >im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" >last night and on one of the light poles in the >parking lot i see to small posters taped there... >one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you >this was a light pole towards the back of the >parking lot and they were almost covered up by >trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off >for a bit and then left... but i was wondering >who was the brilliant person who put them there? >anyone have any clues? > >laterz, > >kenneth > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70259-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 17:58:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27808 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 17:58:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27796 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 17:58:58 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:59:07 -0600 From: wishfm To: vix , Augie Dogg , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3079684748_171771_MIME_Part" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com --MS_Mac_OE_3079684748_171771_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Vix said: "Reality: U.S. ravers, like most, aren't political, aren't organized, spend way too much energy infighting, and for sure aren't rich." Don't get me started... The ACLU is an American run organization (keyword being, AMERICAN Civil Liberites Union) Why do I need Pete Tong to utilize their services? REALITY:We already use the ACLU's lawyers (check the New Orleans case, also mounting other legal defenses for ravers, nationwide) We have Dance Safe and the Late Night Dance Coaliton who regularly and quite eloquently defend our honor in situations that often stretch beyond their actual daily commitments to the community.. There will be more organizing to come, but only as it's absolutley needed. And, when it's gets to be too much there always the possiblilty of a March on D.C. (dare I say... "Million Fan March"?). But for now, it's one day at a time. And, unless you are actually stupid enough to sell drugs while promoting, I'd say the odds in the U.S. are eventually in your favor. We inherently feel our good will usually prevails. That's how this country works... in cycles. We've dug our political roots, and we're only beginning to actually utilize this power - but then look at our needs. They're quite different than the British movement. We weren't attempting to put 100,000 plus travellers, OFF THEIR TITS ON LSD, on the side of the I-35 in far North Dallas as your beloved U.K. revellers were on the M5 in the English countryside, in 1989. This place is big enough where the age old hippie advice still rings true - the old guard would say... "spread out, use the huge expanse of this beautiful.to your advantage. There's no need to go head on with the authorities because we can always sneak off and enjoy a Full Moon without protesting at City Hall". Fighting for your rights all damn day doesn't leave much time for dancing. Until now, the time spent on the dancefloor has been more valuable than 'fighting the good fight'. But then, maybe that's what some of your ACLU toting, lawyer type promoters from abroad were cut out for. I personally think that if you dig into the bowels of our scene, you'd be surprised to find out who's who. You just wouldn't know by looking, remember... a book and it's cover, and all. Rich? How's a million dollars a night at The L.A. Sports Arena. How about Chicago house legends with watch collections worth more than your parents house? How about American Djs with houses worth more than a night at the Sports Arena? Just take one drive into the Mojave for the next SoCal Full Moon... 'arguably a very rootsy affair with some of Californias true pioneering underground activists. Most of these people are not looking for recognition, they simply are part of a movement. One part of many. Once you're there in the Mojave, count up the infinite long trail of Jaguars, Range Rovers and Mercedes you see on the often sandy, usually very long road which acts as a parking lot and a map to the party. To be fair, you willl also se a nice balance of less than expensive cars, that would indicate this scene is well rounded. But, this wealth is real. The power you speak of is there, just subtle... and in many ways - more peaceful. Only recently, with the commercial morphasis of this craft do we recognize the need and ensuing scarcity of permits, venues and support from the local city governments. On the scale of Creamfields, you almost have to sell out to the authorities - and maybe the promoters didn't understand the cost of doing business here. Maybe the power struggle is neccessary. I can only hope it mandates a new underground. There is only one thing I can say for sure that will happen in our rave scene, and it is the fact that all 18 year old ravers will be 25 years old in 7 years. A large portion of them WILL NOT have money and power or the desire to make a change. And, the rest of them will. wishfm From: vix Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:02:45 -0700 To: Augie Dogg , Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com I know Howlin Bob and wishfm will disagree, and guys I respect your point of view--but commercial events like these will help us far more than hurt. Reality: U.S. ravers, like most, aren't political, aren't organized, spend way too much energy infighting, and for sure aren't rich. It would be nice if these things changed, but in the meantime it will be professional organizations like Creamfields that pay the legal teams, bring in the ACLU, resist the shut-it-all down efforts of the DEA, and establish for good and all the legal right to rave. These things will take money and clout party kids don't have. How else do you expect to counter moves like the government's promise of federal funds to states that close down rave venues? Meanwhile, since law enforcement essentially can't tell an Area:One from a Popsikle or a Cyberfest from Serenity, a variety of "visible" events will benefit from the deep pockets and profit motive of a few. And with each increase in "visible" events the UG will have a much improved chance to get out of the media microscope and regain the invisibility (to the mainstream) it needs to survive and remain UG. I'm sorry when a commercial massive doesn't go off; for whatever reason it was cancelled it's an opportunity missed for the scene as a whole. Remember: you don't have to go to a massive to benefit from this scenario. You don't have to like the people who do go to them, or the people who throw them. It doesn't matter. I swear in some ways the Bay Area is awfully conservative. Who cares what other people do for fun? Let it go. Please consider the logic here. If there is one thing I've learned as an, ahem, older raver it is this: You can never, ever, EVER go back in time and make things the way they used to be. You will always be happier and better off to ride the changes, embrace the new--and whenever possible try to see a few steps ahead down the road. vix > call it commercial failure, cities pulling permits, media scrutinization, > whatever - i'm sure that it would have been a huge success, being nearly two > months away. > > area 51, nation in LA, mekka, creamfields, its certainly unfortunate. > > -augie > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > To: grint418@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from > nme.com > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:45:15 -0700 > >> the cancellation of creamfields really sucks. i was really looking forward >> to this event in las vegas! ah, the crackdown on dance culture >> continues.... >> > > "crackdown"? more like "commercial failure." you know, every single > unfortunate thing that happens to the rave scene isn't the government's > fault. events in all genres of entertainment get cancelled when the > promoter can't sell enough tickets to make a profit. > > --hb > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --MS_Mac_OE_3079684748_171771_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-70260-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:02:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30136 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 18:02:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30125 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 18:02:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803180206.93761.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] safety issues for women...nrr sometimes, your "escort home" is going to be more interested in your body and your potential for sexual interaction than your personal safety...he might deny this...just the same, go with your gut instincts. you don't have to go anywhere you don't want to go. it is better sometimes to abandon your ride, your companian on the street, your "friend" in lew of your safety. be completely aware of your surroundings at all times and at all costs. if someone is truly a friend to you, then he most definately will not be a jerk about it. also, sometimes, if someone is planning on or has raped you, he will try to blame you for his actions or his feelings....he might say something like "you are scaring me", "you scared me" or "you seduced me"...a criminal is as a criminal does.. don't expect any honesty or integrety from someone who means you nothing but harm. if someone has the intention to get near you in a way that is inappropriate, most likely, he will try to get you alone. don't be alone with him. don't worry about hurting his feelings. a true friend wouldn't mind and would totally understand "no".. a true friend would not make you go anywhere you don't want to go, and a true friend would appreciate and take an active interest in your personal boundaries. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70104-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:03:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73213 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 23:34:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73203 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 23:34:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: SF Raves List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? okay so check it, im at taco bell in mountain view"the one by 101" last night and on one of the light poles in the parking lot i see to small posters taped there... one for cyberfest, one for f-8. now mind you this was a light pole towards the back of the parking lot and they were almost covered up by trees, well i sat there and laughed my ass off for a bit and then left... but i was wondering who was the brilliant person who put them there? anyone have any clues? laterz, kenneth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70130-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:03:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50805 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 03:25:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50794 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 03:25:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.193.115.50] From: "DJ Tronic" To: andy@saturn5.com, kgb@dreamscape.org Cc: starkand_e@yahoo.com, rachel_bronstein@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:24:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 03:24:34.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[A68A4A90:01C11B02] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP >If what Tronic plays is US hardhouse, what should we call VERY different >sounding music that used to be considered domestic hardhouse like harder >stuff on the UC or Greedy labels? > >andyw > That's old school US Hard House.. the new stuff I'm playing evolved from that style those labels put out.. just a lot harder now and aimed to the underground. ;) Andy Tronic >From: AndyW >To: Kenneth Bice >CC: Jamie Murray , R Bronstein >, sf raves >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. >BSP >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) > > >If what Tronic plays is US hardhouse, what should we call VERY different >sounding music that used to be considered domestic hardhouse like harder >stuff on the UC or Greedy labels? > >andyw > >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Kenneth Bice wrote: > >-&e->us hard house >-&e-> >-&e->On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jamie Murray wrote: >-&e-> >-&e->> 18 and up with id >-&e->> I am so going to be there this night. Cannot miss my >-&e->> boy Tronic ;D and his uk hard house, or will you be >-&e->> doing hhc. doesn't matter as long as your there >-&e->> tearing up as always. >-&e->> Hope to see you out there that night Rach. >-&e->> Say hi I'll be the one on the dance floor. >-&e->> teehee >-&e->> Jamie >-&e->> --- R Bronstein wrote: >-&e->> > can anyone tell me if its 21+ or not. Thanks >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Rach =} >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > ----Original Message Follows---- >-&e->> > From: "DJ Tronic" >-&e->> > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >-&e->> > Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N >-&e->> > Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP >-&e->> > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Aight.. just tossin this one out so everyone knows >-&e->> > about it early.. make >-&e->> > your plans to get to Club Matrix West-Friday, August >-&e->> > 10th!! Here's the >-&e->> > lineup: >-&e->> > >-&e->> > $10 admission BEFORE 10:30 >-&e->> > $15 admission after 10:30 >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and Bass-Hardcore >-&e->> > >-&e->> > *Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 >-&e->> > Turntables!!** >-&e->> > >-&e->> > :: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* >-&e->> > Cloudskipper (Supernova >-&e->> > Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > **One of the Most Respected and Best Drum and Bass >-&e->> > DJs in the Bay Area** >-&e->> > >-&e->> > :: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > .supporting cast. >-&e->> > >-&e->> > : Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova >-&e->> > Recordings-Sacramento) >-&e->> > : Mikey J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) >-&e->> > : Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) >-&e->> > : Scotty (Spin Knowledge) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno >-&e->> > >-&e->> > **One of the Most Talented US Hard House Producers >-&e->> > Today** >-&e->> > >-&e->> > :: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los >-&e->> > Angeles) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > .supporting cast. >-&e->> > >-&e->> > : Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) >-&e->> > : Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) >-&e->> > : Lewis (Spin Knowledge) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Just lettin everyone know about this one.. should be >-&e->> > off the hook! Make the >-&e->> > plans to get there early!! ;) >-&e->> > >-&e->> > Andy >-&e->> > Tronic >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> _________________________________________________________________ >-&e->> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >-&e->> > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-&e->> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >-&e->> > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >-&e->> > For additional commands, e-mail: >-&e->> > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> _________________________________________________________________ >-&e->> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >-&e->> > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> > >-&e->> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-&e->> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >-&e->> > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >-&e->> > For additional commands, e-mail: >-&e->> > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >-&e->> > >-&e->> >-&e->> >-&e->> __________________________________________________ >-&e->> Do You Yahoo!? >-&e->> Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! >Messenger >-&e->> http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >-&e->> >-&e->> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-&e->> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >-&e->> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >-&e->> >-&e->> >-&e-> >-&e-> >-&e->--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-&e->To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >-&e->For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >-&e-> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70261-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:04:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32381 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 18:04:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32370 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 18:04:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803180407.12796.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010803180206.93761.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] safety issues for women...nrr or just walk softly and carry a big stick (or glow-stick, whichever the situation calls for) --- Geri Dahl wrote: > sometimes, your "escort home" is going to be more > interested in your body and your potential for > sexual > interaction > than your personal safety...he might deny > this...just > the same, go with your gut instincts. you don't have > to go > anywhere you don't want to go. it is better > sometimes > to abandon your ride, your companian on the street, > your "friend" in lew of your safety. be completely > aware > of your surroundings at all times and at all costs. > if > someone is truly a friend to you, then he most > definately > will not be a jerk about it. also, sometimes, if > someone is planning on or has raped you, he will try > to blame > you for his actions or his feelings....he might say > something like "you are scaring me", "you scared me" > or "you seduced me"...a criminal is as a criminal > does.. > don't expect any honesty or integrety from someone > who > means you nothing but harm. if someone has the > intention to get near you in a way that is > inappropriate, > most likely, he will try to get you alone. don't be > alone with him. don't worry about hurting his > feelings. a > true friend wouldn't mind and would totally > understand > "no".. a true friend would not make you go anywhere > you don't > want to go, and a true friend would appreciate and > take an active interest in your personal boundaries. > :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70131-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:04:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52496 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 03:26:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52486 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 03:25:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.246.89] From: "Augie Dogg" To: aklaim_@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:25:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 03:25:27.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[C62088B0:01C11B02] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] **KID BIPPY @ NRGize THIS FRIDAY!!!!** holy shit, kid bippy(aka dj.com)is back! wish i could be in attendance, but make sure everyone gets to check him rock the fuck outta that party! i'm going to listen to his oldschoolhardcore tape right now.... ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Aklaim ." To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] **KID BIPPY @ NRGize THIS FRIDAY!!!!** Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:13:23 -0700 This is it, this friday marks the return of the M.I.A. KID BIPPY!!!! IF anybody remembers this cat, and I know some of you do, then you remember that this guy can scratch like no other. All peoples over the age of 18 are invited to join us and welcome back a bay area favorite. Tix are at the usual shops. A very high class, techy decor, free water W/lemon if you want;) .....and music kicking your ass all night long. Djs are: KID BIPPY (lotek/powerpill) MORGAN (lotek/hardNRG.com KEMICAL KIDD (lotek/e.t.a.) KEVIN KIND(journees/coolworld) AKLAIM (thump n'loud) ENEMY (skills) SNRGY (tlm/cots) ---------------------------------------------------------- Visit: Aklaim.djcentral.com .....who are you to resist? ---------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70129-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:05:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44534 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 03:13:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44524 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 03:13:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [146.74.93.144] From: "Aklaim ." To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:13:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 03:13:23.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[170DC460:01C11B01] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **KID BIPPY @ NRGize THIS FRIDAY!!!!** This is it, this friday marks the return of the M.I.A. KID BIPPY!!!! IF anybody remembers this cat, and I know some of you do, then you remember that this guy can scratch like no other. All peoples over the age of 18 are invited to join us and welcome back a bay area favorite. Tix are at the usual shops. A very high class, techy decor, free water W/lemon if you want;) .....and music kicking your ass all night long. Djs are: KID BIPPY (lotek/powerpill) MORGAN (lotek/hardNRG.com KEMICAL KIDD (lotek/e.t.a.) KEVIN KIND(journees/coolworld) AKLAIM (thump n'loud) ENEMY (skills) SNRGY (tlm/cots) ---------------------------------------------------------- Visit: Aklaim.djcentral.com .....who are you to resist? ---------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70132-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:06:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54038 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Aug 2001 03:27:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54027 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 03:27:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.206] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: grint418@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:26:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 03:26:50.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7A7D320:01C11B02] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com sincerely, that was not intended as hostile in any way; didactic, yes, but not hostile. i was just trying to make, as clearly as possible, the point that the greatest stumbling block of the big commercial massives/tours isn't necessarily The Man, but that commercial interests are apparently grossly overestimating the interest of people outside of the serious, commited rave community. my very subjective impression is that the bigger end of the Music Industry thought that EDM was going to be the New Grunge, or perhaps the New Hip-Hop...and so far that just doesn't seem to be happening. instead, EDM seems to be following the commercial arc of less successful, shorter-term Next Big Things like the Ska Revival or the Cherry Poppin' Daddies-style Nouveau Swing bands. thank goodness. --hb >alright dude, i think your point is proven. no need to get hostile on the >subject - i'm just as frustrated and disapointed as you... > >augie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70105-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:06:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78521 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 23:38:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78511 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 23:38:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: Jamie Murray cc: R Bronstein , sf raves In-Reply-To: <20010801212319.94307.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP us hard house On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jamie Murray wrote: > 18 and up with id > I am so going to be there this night. Cannot miss my > boy Tronic ;D and his uk hard house, or will you be > doing hhc. doesn't matter as long as your there > tearing up as always. > Hope to see you out there that night Rach. > Say hi I'll be the one on the dance floor. > teehee > Jamie > --- R Bronstein wrote: > > can anyone tell me if its 21+ or not. Thanks > > > > Rach =} > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "DJ Tronic" > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N > > Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP > > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 > > > > Aight.. just tossin this one out so everyone knows > > about it early.. make > > your plans to get to Club Matrix West-Friday, August > > 10th!! Here's the > > lineup: > > > > $10 admission BEFORE 10:30 > > $15 admission after 10:30 > > > > Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and Bass-Hardcore > > > > *Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 > > Turntables!!** > > > > :: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* > > Cloudskipper (Supernova > > Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) > > > > **One of the Most Respected and Best Drum and Bass > > DJs in the Bay Area** > > > > :: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) > > > > .supporting cast. > > > > : Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova > > Recordings-Sacramento) > > : Mikey J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) > > : Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) > > : Scotty (Spin Knowledge) > > > > Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno > > > > **One of the Most Talented US Hard House Producers > > Today** > > > > :: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los > > Angeles) > > > > .supporting cast. > > > > : Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) > > : Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) > > : Lewis (Spin Knowledge) > > > > Just lettin everyone know about this one.. should be > > off the hook! Make the > > plans to get there early!! ;) > > > > Andy > > Tronic > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70262-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:09:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38432 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 18:09:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38391 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 18:09:18 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:09:09 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE $15 TIX IN STORE TODAY....bsp Saturday August 18, 2001 ELECTRIC NERVE, MYSTICAL MAYHEM, SO MUCH GLOW, CRave present A FULLY PERMITTED NON-MASSIVE GOING ALL NIGHT WITH GOOD VIBES AND NO DRAMA. TICKETS AVAILABLE THIS WEEKEND FOR $15>> RANT 'N RAVE Featuring: Prophecy Collective (Mythic/ Essence Records, Florida, On stage/ LIVE PA)_ You might not know who this live trance band from Florida is but they have played at the Winter Music Confrence , all over the South East and play a live set that includes strings and non-eletronic percussion. From Deepsky to Trancefusion to NOSTRUM to NU IDOL Mystical Mayhem / Electric Nerve have been proud to be a part of linups that have included live trance PA's. We are excited to bring more tight ass shit! Look for a more extended bio posted this week. Gianni (Spundae/ djgianni.com, SR)- just booked to represent Spundae over in Ibizia this guy keeps pushing the progressive sound. Thomas Trouble (SF, Blutonium Records)- Hard and fast just like you like it. DJ D (dj-d.com, SF)-SHOWING THAT GIRLS CAN DO ANYTHING BOYS CAN DO BETTER. NAME ONE OTHER BAY AREA TRANCE/ NRG DJ THAT HAS SHOT TO THE TOP OF A VERY TALENTED FIELD SO QUICKLY...ok, but still she's the shit Simon Apex (Subsonic, Sac.)-The HHC force in Northen Cali. JOEY MAZZOLA (AM Crew/RadioActive/Soulmatic, SF)_Known more for his scratching and turntable skills folks take note as Mr. Mazzola takes it to the next level this year not only by showing people more of his mixing prowess but also with upcoming studio releases that he'd kill me if I said anymore about. If you missed his set right before Richard Humpty Vision @ SERENITY than this will be the chance to see Joey rock it with the same great quality sound ( JK SOUND) in a more family style setting. ;-) St. John (HouseNation/ 94.9, SF)_ Not playing what you hear on the radio. Not even close. Jessie Gonzales (Krate Records, Salinas)_House from an area not much represented hailing from the (831)! DJ AJAXX (UltraSoundz, San Bruno)_ I didn't even know until I went into the back of UltraSoundz in San Bruno and listened to the breakbeat track this quite guys was cooking up on the computer. All I can say is the Bay is full of talented people he is one of them. Downtempo Chillout Zone- ...when is the last time you went to a party with a chill area Boomerang-of old HOMEBASE days when a chill room was a must Triad-also an old school mainstay of the most mellow and soothing proportions Zach Darling- 1/2 of Greenfield's dynamic flyer factory this guys plays from House to Breaks to soulfull jazzy downtempo. Oh yeah.... And this he'll be testing his sweet sounds on our ears before going to spin @ BURNING MAN this year!!! Ambient Mafia- adding more while encouraging interaction with the crowd in a way that not many downtempo DJ crew's do EVENT: RANT 'N RAVE DATE: 8-18-01 SOUND: JK SOUND LIGHTING/ LASERS: STIM-U-LIGHTS TIMES: 8 PM- 5 AM or later LOCATION: 100% FULLY PERMITTED clean Bay Area venue TBA on voicemail _ DUE TO THE UNSTABLE NATURE OF THE SCENE LATELY WE WILL BE RELEASING THE LOCATION EARLIER THAN PLANNED SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW HOW SOLID OUR LOCAION IS!!!!!! IT IS FULLY PERMITTED. THIS EVENT WILL ONLY BE ATTENDED BY THE PEOPLE WHO GET OFF THEIR ASS AND GET A TICKET SOON. 24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION: 1-800-899-3737 ADMISSION: ONLY $15 presale_ OH YEAH!!!!! THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO GO... BUY A TICKET , email me your name, HELP CLEAN UP AND WE'LL give YOU YOUR MONEY BACK and GIVE YOU GUESTLIST to PAJAMA JAMBORIE 2 coming in SEPTEMBER!!!!!!! Crystal Clear Audio Experience provided by JK Sound Awesome Intelligent Lighting and Laser show by Stimulights FULLY PERMITTED AND 100% SECURE, 45 minutes from SF AND BUST FREE Friendly and pleasant security Real restrooms Open aired area for smoking Vending village INTELLIGENT LIGHTING, AND AN ORGANIC NUTRITIOUS VIBE!!! RANT 'N RAVE will sell out presale so buy a presale for yourself and a friend to save time and $ and assure your attendance!! Don't wait to grab a ticket from the authorized outlets below on 8-03-01 Welcome to all fun loving and responsible people!!!! (ALL AGES) ON LINE TICKETS: WWW.GROOVETICKETS.COM San Francisco F-8 Records, 1816 Haight St., (415)-221-4142 Housewares, 1322 Haight St., (415)-252-1440 South Bay Ultra Soundz, 482 San Mateo, San Bruno, (650)-871-4170 Remix, 508 E. 3rd Ave., San Mateo, (650)-344-8060 Solid Grooves, 2271 The Alameda, San Jose, (408)-248-6399 Rock Zone, 1280 1st St. # B, Gilroy, (408)-848-5055 Krate, 1274 N. 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If you like to help promote, contribute art or get involved/ Industry (707) 288-4854 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70103-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:17:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49590 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Aug 2001 23:19:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49573 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 23:19:13 -0000 Message-ID: <03eb01c11ae0$5ca44330$6900000a@tendocom.org> Reply-To: "matt newell" From: "matt newell" To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:19:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 23:19:07.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CA1AB20:01C11AE0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] review :: areaone and the sights therein all - the shoreline is still one of my favorite venues to begin with, can't beat sitting on the grass in the sun with friends and some music. that said, this is what i caught while there: showed up right around 3:45, set the blankets and shit down and went to checkout timo maas -- lots of fun to listen to -- and at that time, still enough room to dance. caught most of rinocerose's set -- bangin' funky tracks that made the afternoon move along nicely. great people to see live if/when you get the chance. old oakie cd's > new oakie cd's > oakie live (imho : his old shit is better than his new shit, and him live stinks of poohpooh) i'm not the first to get on the anti-oakenfold train -- as we had him and hernan cattaneo out at burningman on our system last year. had a blast, and were for everything we saw -- pretty dope kids to talk to and deal with. but, i'm over him live - the setting for his music for me has always been on mass transit, in a car and at houseparties .. never really dancing to it -- and seeing him live at areaone was very similar. combined with the fact that the tent was jam packed full of lookers ... just wasn't quite what i was hoping for in an experience. i've never been a big follower of new order, but they sounded good -- i'll let someone else do the rest of that review. (crowd check muhfucka?) outkast was of course was the seemingly big draw for a lot (most maybe?) of the kids out there. good to hear them live -- been looking forward to it myself for a while. the stage setup and lighting (event-wide) was impressive and fun .. the roots and orb were cool - but i was busy running around and other shit during most of their sets. moby is a fun performer - people get down on the sellout side of him, but his enthusiasm comes through to every person in the crowd. wish i could say that for some dj's around town ... all the ususal songs were played -- nothing experiemental or new. the live performance was rocking and a great eyecandy event though. the glowstix on rope handed out by intel for signing a card made for a pretty cool crowd visual ... hunderds of smallish stix swinging around -- was very cool. the new lighter maybe? the sea of people on the grass was great -- made people watching for hours really easy. as someone noted, lots of different people all mixing about and smiles everywhere for what i could see ... and no, not a single drooling etard in sight (this is where i have to go now to get away from them?). as far as trying to find parallels between "the scene" and areaone, i don't know why some of you are trying so hard. it was a concert .. not a rave. they had some dj's ... thats about it for the rave factor. when some of you come home from the depeche mode concert this weekend, are you going to start in about how the brit/emo scene was damaged by playing to so many people at one time? prolly not. imho, people should learn to enjoy what's in front of them first, versus comparing a 30k person event to a ug party in a warehouse. it happened well, i was glad to be there, had a great time -- and even more glad it didn't turn into a f'in fiasco. :) .. matt .. www.sweetillusions.org .. matt@sweetillusions.org .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70263-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:31:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10117 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 18:31:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8490 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 18:29:17 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:29:04 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: wishfm , vix , sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010803182906.JCCD13460.femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from nme.com i'd like to interject a perspective here. reading these posts, there was something that was bothering me, and i think i've put my finger on what it is. it's a sense that there is some big "them" out there, and a feeling of resignation about the state of affairs in our country. i just returned from new york city, where the club shutdowns and mayoral pressure are horrendous, and the dance community has just formed the new york city late night coalition (you can get on their mailing list and http://www.nyclnc.org) -- i represented the sflnc to share what we have learned in our two years of work turning the tides in san francisco. and one of the most important message i could deliver is that it is possible for us to make a real difference in how laws that affect us are made and enforced. the sflnc has a large general membership, but the actual day-to-day work is done by a small group of dedicated volunteers. few of us had prior political experience, whether we're very "organized" is arguable, we generate enough energy to do our infighting and still have enough left for the outside world, and our success has little to do with money (though we do have a few generous benefactors -- the rave scene is tied with the internet economy and we have financial resources). the real change in this country will be visible when ravers and all members of the dance and late-night communities really understand that they CAN make a difference, that they CAN participate in the legislative process of OUR cities, OUR states, OUR country. this attitude that the government is not "us" is what stops us. get over it. do something to make a difference. i personally believe that underground parties will always exist -- because they're underground. but they are already fewer and fewer and more and more often busted. because we haven't done anything to stop it!! when the authorities go after nightclubs, calling them "buckets of blood" as the nyc deputy mayor did, when the police round up patrons of an entertainment event and search them without warrants or cause, when responsible promoters are arrested and charged with running crackhouses... we must step forward and demand that our culture be respected. we are the target of the misguided and ridiculous war on drugs. OUR GOVERMENT is willing to sacrifice our entire subculture in some preposterous notion that that will stop citizens from choosing to use substances. if each of us spoke up, clearly and proudly, that we will not allow that, THEN change will happen. and wishfm said: >Fighting for your rights all damn day doesn't leave much time for dancing. i believe i'm qualified to affirm that statement. like many in the sflnc, i volunteer many hours every week for the cause... OUR CAUSE... because if we don't fight for our rights, then we won't be able to dance at all.. and that is simply not acceptable to me. so i hope to see many of you get active with the sflnc (check our site at http://www.sflnc.com or dancingisnotacrime.com to see what you can do) -- come out to our rally in september (date tba) and let's show the world what we're all about. and i'll see some of you tonight at comeunity, or at the fnf campout this weekend. come say hello please (though please understand that i need to dance, so if i'm on the dancefloor, catch me later, ok?) love, leslie >Vix said: > >"Reality: U.S. ravers, like most, aren't political, aren't organized, spend >way too much energy infighting, and for sure aren't rich." > >Don't get me started... > >The ACLU is an American run organization (keyword being, AMERICAN Civil >Liberites Union) Why do I need Pete Tong to utilize their services? > >REALITY:We already use the ACLU's lawyers (check the New Orleans case, also >mounting other legal defenses for ravers, nationwide) > >We have Dance Safe and the Late Night Dance Coaliton who regularly and quite >eloquently defend our honor in situations that often stretch beyond their >actual daily commitments to the community.. > >There will be more organizing to come, but only as it's absolutley needed. > >And, when it's gets to be too much there always the possiblilty of a March >on D.C. (dare I say... "Million Fan March"?). But for now, it's one day at >a time. And, unless you are actually stupid enough to sell drugs while >promoting, I'd say the odds in the U.S. are eventually in your favor. We >inherently feel our good will usually prevails. That's how this country >works... in cycles. > >We've dug our political roots, and we're only beginning to actually utilize >this power - but then look at our needs. They're quite different than the >British movement. We weren't attempting to put 100,000 plus travellers, OFF >THEIR TITS ON LSD, on the side of the I-35 in far North Dallas as your >beloved U.K. revellers were on the M5 in the English countryside, in 1989. > >This place is big enough where the age old hippie advice still rings true - >the old guard would say... "spread out, use the huge expanse of this >beautiful.to your advantage. There's no need to go head on with the >authorities because we can always sneak off and enjoy a Full Moon without >protesting at City Hall". > >Fighting for your rights all damn day doesn't leave much time for dancing. > >Until now, the time spent on the dancefloor has been more valuable than >'fighting the good fight'. But then, maybe that's what some of your ACLU >toting, lawyer type promoters from abroad were cut out for. I personally >think that if you dig into the bowels of our scene, you'd be surprised to >find out who's who. You just wouldn't know by looking, remember... a book >and it's cover, and all. > >Rich? How's a million dollars a night at The L.A. Sports Arena. How about >Chicago house legends with watch collections worth more than your parents >house? How about American Djs with houses worth more than a night at the >Sports Arena? Just take one drive into the Mojave for the next SoCal Full >Moon... 'arguably a very rootsy affair with some of Californias true >pioneering underground activists. Most of these people are not looking for >recognition, they simply are part of a movement. One part of many. > >Once you're there in the Mojave, count up the infinite long trail of >Jaguars, Range Rovers and Mercedes you see on the often sandy, usually very >long road which acts as a parking lot and a map to the party. To be fair, >you willl also se a nice balance of less than expensive cars, that would >indicate this scene is well rounded. But, this wealth is real. The power >you speak of is there, just subtle... and in many ways - more peaceful. > >Only recently, with the commercial morphasis of this craft do we recognize >the need and ensuing scarcity of permits, venues and support from the local >city governments. On the scale of Creamfields, you almost have to sell out >to the authorities - and maybe the promoters didn't understand the cost of >doing business here. Maybe the power struggle is neccessary. I can only >hope it mandates a new underground. > >There is only one thing I can say for sure that will happen in our rave >scene, and it is the fact that all 18 year old ravers will be 25 years old >in 7 years. A large portion of them WILL NOT have money and power or the >desire to make a change. > >And, the rest of them will. > > > >wishfm > > >From: vix >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:02:45 -0700 >To: Augie Dogg , >Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from >nme.com > > >I know Howlin Bob and wishfm will disagree, and guys I respect your point of >view--but commercial events like these will help us far more than hurt. > >Reality: U.S. ravers, like most, aren't political, aren't organized, spend >way too much energy infighting, and for sure aren't rich. > > >It would be nice >if these things changed, but in the meantime it will be professional >organizations like Creamfields that pay the legal teams, bring in the ACLU, >resist the shut-it-all down efforts of the DEA, and establish for good and >all the legal right to rave. These things will take money and clout party >kids don't have. How else do you expect to counter moves like the >government's promise of federal funds to states that close down rave venues? > >Meanwhile, since law enforcement essentially can't tell an Area:One from a >Popsikle or a Cyberfest from Serenity, a variety of "visible" events will >benefit from the deep pockets and profit motive of a few. And with each >increase in "visible" events the UG will have a much improved chance to get >out of the media microscope and regain the invisibility (to the mainstream) >it needs to survive and remain UG. > >I'm sorry when a commercial massive doesn't go off; for whatever reason it >was cancelled it's an opportunity missed for the scene as a whole. > >Remember: you don't have to go to a massive to benefit from this scenario. >You don't have to like the people who do go to them, or the people who throw >them. It doesn't matter. I swear in some ways the Bay Area is awfully >conservative. Who cares what other people do for fun? Let it go. > >Please consider the logic here. If there is one thing I've learned as an, >ahem, older raver it is this: You can never, ever, EVER go back in time and >make things the way they used to be. You will always be happier and better >off to ride the changes, embrace the new--and whenever possible try to see a >few steps ahead down the road. > >vix > > > >> call it commercial failure, cities pulling permits, media scrutinization, >> whatever - i'm sure that it would have been a huge success, being nearly two >> months away. >> >> area 51, nation in LA, mekka, creamfields, its certainly unfortunate. >> >> -augie >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" >> To: grint418@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] confirmation of LV Creamfields cancellation from >> nme.com >> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:45:15 -0700 >> >>> the cancellation of creamfields really sucks. i was really looking forward >>> to this event in las vegas! ah, the crackdown on dance culture >>> continues.... >>> >> >> "crackdown"? more like "commercial failure." you know, every single >> unfortunate thing that happens to the rave scene isn't the government's >> fault. events in all genres of entertainment get cancelled when the >> promoter can't sell enough tickets to make a profit. >> >> --hb >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70264-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:31:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10402 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 18:31:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9941 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 18:31:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803183114.77672.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:31:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Presser To: BodhiInSF@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 2: Should all parties be 18 and over? This is something peculiar to the U.S. when compared to most of the Western world (that I know of). In most of Europe (and I include Eastern as well as Western), 15 and 16 year olds frequent clubs as often as 18+ and 21+. No one asks for an ID at the door, and for the most part, no one even notices that there are people in a club under the age of 18, let alone 21. My ex, who's French, started raving when she was 15 and was clubbing at that time, too. She and her friends would stay out into the wee hours and sometimes would have to walk home when the trains stopped and they didn't have money for a cab. When I was in Paris last year, I met this girl in a club, who I thought was AT LEAST 18, but maybe older because of the way she carried herself. When I found out she was 16, I was stunned cause her personality and attitude was DEFINITELY not of someone who was 16. It didn't shock me too badly because I was used to meeting a lot of people under 18 in clubs in Europe, especially in places like France, Germany, Spain, and Switzerland. In Eastern Europe, take it as a natural given. For me, the American attitudes toward age isn't an overtly positive one and it's perpetuated by every generation. Even in Canada, it is not illegal for people to marry at 17. Take a look at the stand that the government is taking in their war on E - it's to save the youth of America. Is it me, or don't they get that people will f**k themselves up on something else if that's what they want to do, because we all know that another drug will come around sometime soon to take E's place? If you remember how f'd up your attitude was when you were 17, you know, think you know every thing but don't really know s**t, imagine how different things would have been if you had ONE friend who was, say 25, that you could relate to. Someone who you would listen to and open up mental doors for you. Personally, I don't want promoters to discriminate by age, at least in the case of 18+ venues. If they're going to discriminate at all, discriminate by attitude. However, it's a promoter's party and they can throw whatever kind of party they want to throw, and to whom. Yes, there are differences of perspective based on someone's age, but that occurs amongst people who are in the same age group as well, and there are differences based on ethnicity, country of origin, religion, social class... yadda, yadda, yadda... Rick --- BodhiInSF@aol.com wrote: > What do you think of the idea of abolishing "all > ages" parties with > parties being strictly 18 and over, and promoters > having more day parties > where those under 18 can attend? Would 18+ parties > clean up a lot of problems > that are giving our scene a bad rap in the out side > world, or would it not > make any difference one way or the other? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70265-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 18:35:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13157 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 18:35:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13137 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 18:35:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803183510.24998.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Byers To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] www.sjdeep.com want to know what's up in San Jo? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70266-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 19:01:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48239 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 19:01:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48222 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 19:01:35 -0000 From: Eternal777@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:01:30 EDT To: junglistsunite@listbot.com, sacraves@hyperreal.org, liquidsky@listbot.com, DigitalRavers@egroups.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bc.1848063f.289c4f0a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ground Zero Tonight 8-3-001 --part1_bc.1848063f.289c4f0a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jc Clothing, Funk Lab & Household Present: GROUND ZERO Friday August 3rd - ONLY 10.00 dollars at the door - All ages - 10 pm to 6 a= m 3 rooms throwing down PHAT House, Jungle, Trance, NRG w/ DJ's: TiCAL, Tempo, Rudy G, J-funk, Torque, Innovate, Illicit, Geo, Scotte,=20 Scepter, ETERNAL, Drsk, Felipe Avelar=A0 W/ many, many more DJ's to be announced... Info Lines: (408) 271-5977 & (415) 522-7445 Call the info lines on the night of the party for full directions Peace & Keep it REAL! see u all there=A0... http://www.jcclothing.net/e= vents.htm =A0 --part1_bc.1848063f.289c4f0a_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70267-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 19:24:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73979 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 19:24:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73969 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 19:24:27 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.108.147] From: "innocentchild" To: "Geri Dahl" , References: <20010803180206.93761.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:23:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 19:24:00.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[D94F5BF0:01C11C51] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] safety issues for women...nrr Slap on a copy of Sublime 40oz to Freedom and listen to Date Rape. If that doesn't explain things than huddle up into a ball and start rocking while whimpering loudly - *make the bad man go away mommy!* over and over. If you're super twacked in the head decide to jump out of the car because your *friend* is going to rape you while going 45mph up Van Ness. You'll be safe from him that way. Of course you might not live when the shitty driver next to you turns you into a human speed bump... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geri Dahl" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: [sfraves] safety issues for women...nrr > sometimes, your "escort home" is going to be more > interested in your body and your potential for sexual > interaction > than your personal safety...he might deny this...just > the same, go with your gut instincts. you don't have > to go > anywhere you don't want to go. it is better sometimes > to abandon your ride, your companian on the street, > your "friend" in lew of your safety. be completely > aware > of your surroundings at all times and at all costs. if > someone is truly a friend to you, then he most > definately > will not be a jerk about it. also, sometimes, if > someone is planning on or has raped you, he will try > to blame > you for his actions or his feelings....he might say > something like "you are scaring me", "you scared me" > or "you seduced me"...a criminal is as a criminal > does.. > don't expect any honesty or integrety from someone who > means you nothing but harm. if someone has the > intention to get near you in a way that is > inappropriate, > most likely, he will try to get you alone. don't be > alone with him. don't worry about hurting his > feelings. a > true friend wouldn't mind and would totally understand > "no".. a true friend would not make you go anywhere > you don't > want to go, and a true friend would appreciate and > take an active interest in your personal boundaries. > :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70268-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 19:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75504 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 19:25:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75494 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 19:25:06 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: "Steve Byers" Cc: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:37:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010803174722.79498.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] BSP: COME-UNITY TONIGHT!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Byers [mailto:djstevian@yahoo.com] > > I thought Phil Smart is playing tonight.....? Yes indeed he is, with: Simon - Jeno - Phil Smart - Jon Williams Cosmik Jason - Keith O'Rielly - Exo Jim Huckin - Johnny Brett - Opium Jones - Adnan MISSION ROCK 817 China Basin - 10pm-4am - 21up w/id 10 before 11:00/$15 after > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70269-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 19:40:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94767 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 19:40:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94755 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 19:40:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803194058.44554.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:40:58 -0700 (PDT) From: trancsonic To: Jaden , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010803170337.23546.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] 550 Barneveld tonight / tomorrow? I know tonight is Recycle. Simon and Armann the Brainchild are headlining. Not sure about Saturday. Peace- Chris --- Jaden wrote: > Anyone know whats going on @550 tonight / tomorrow? > The website and voice lines haven't been updated. > > Thanks! > Jaden > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70270-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 19:52:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11231 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 19:52:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11213 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 19:52:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 12:47:54 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List , Reno Raves , F-8 List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B6AFFEA.AE4A2662@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ : NOT ALL AGES - Please read. Due to forces out of our control, Megga-Buzz will NOT be "All Ages" Event. Megga-Buzz is an 18+ event for Mature and Responsible adults ONLY... and is GUARANTEED to take Place at the Bill Graham Civic Center Auditorium In San Francisco on Saturday September 1st from 6pm till 2am. Minors in the company of an adult sibling, parent or legal guardian are welcome. ID proof will be required, and your guardian/parent/sibling MUST also have a ticket. $25 Tickets Go On sale This Weekend, so make sure to plan ahead, because you will need to provide proof of age for admission. Tickets are being delivered to pre-sale outlets today and tomorrow. There will also be tickets at Future Fridays Tonight for only $25... with NO Service Charge!!! Lineup and information is posted on our website. http://www.globalparty.com Thanks for understanding, and keep it alive. Vlad --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70271-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 20:04:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20148 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 20:04:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20123 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 20:04:20 -0000 From: ClockworkEventz@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.e3b57c7.289c5da0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:03:44 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8f.e3b57c7.289c5da0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] CLOCKWORKZ~Friday Aug 17~Backbeat~bsp --part1_8f.e3b57c7.289c5da0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clockwork invites you to a special monthly series... CLOCKWORKZ`~Let the wheelz begin :date: Friday August 17th, 2001 :space: www.thebackbeat.com , 777 Lawrence Expy, Santa Clara, CA :doors: 9pm til 2am 21+ :dj's: Ron Reeser, Jasen Chavez, Anthony Charles, Serg Rockwell, Jordan Joves :special: Shasta Cox's future funky fashion show w/ exotic models, enviromental stimulation by Clockwork :contact: 408-747-7742 or ClockworkEventz@aol.com :repeat: Friday Sept. 14 with special guest dj's * If you would like to be on the guest list for this special event, be one of the first 10 people to reply by email with your first and last name. --part1_8f.e3b57c7.289c5da0_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70272-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 20:12:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31870 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 20:12:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31860 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 20:12:05 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [139.95.251.1] From: "E A R T H _" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 20:11:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 20:11:39.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[81206C10:01C11C58] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] BSP: COME-UNITY TONIGHT!!! anybody what time jon williams is playing ? >From: "Apollo" >Reply-To: >To: "Steve Byers" >CC: >Subject: RE: [sfraves] BSP: COME-UNITY TONIGHT!!! >Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:37:09 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD3445A100AB4004389AD185531612640; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 12:25:21 -0700 >Received: (qmail 75504 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 19:25:06 -0000 >Received: (qmail 75494 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 19:25:06 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-70268-earth909 Fri, 03 Aug 2001 12:25:22 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) >Importance: Normal >In-Reply-To: <20010803174722.79498.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com> >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Byers [mailto:djstevian@yahoo.com] > > > > I thought Phil Smart is playing tonight.....? > > >Yes indeed he is, with: > > Simon - Jeno - Phil Smart - Jon Williams > > Cosmik Jason - Keith O'Rielly - Exo > > Jim Huckin - Johnny Brett - Opium Jones - Adnan > > > MISSION ROCK > > 817 China Basin - 10pm-4am - 21up w/id > > 10 before 11:00/$15 after > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70273-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 20:32:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46649 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 20:32:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46639 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 20:32:01 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:30:35 -0700 From: Maytag To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Lemon Lyman (Ohio), Tyler Stadius (Vancouver) at Sno-Drift this weekend (b.s.p.) *****BRING A COPY OF THIS EMAIL FOR REDUCED ADMISSION ALL NIGHT!!!***** In the HOUSE tonight, August 3rd: DJ Lemon Lyman (Love Thang, OH) Sean Ferguson (Tsavo Events, SF) We are proud to welcome back the pounding house sounds of Ohio's Lemon Lyman Holding it down in the front room will be Seven and Sol with hip hop and funky beats Upcoming: 8/10 DJ Courtney (Contrast Music, Boston) 8/17 Rasoul (Naked Music, SF) 8/24 Gene Farris (Champion Sound, Chi) Tight is every Friday @ Sno-Drift, 1830 Third St (@16th) in San Francisco, 9pm-4am, 21+, $15, reduced before 11:30. 415.431.4766 =========================================================== Go Deeper at Sub Zero, August 4th, with: DJ Tyler Stadius (Nordic Trax, Vancouver) Sean Ferguson (Tsavo Events, SF) One of the deepest house DJs around, Vancouver's Tyler Stadius rocked Sno-Drift this past April. Make sure not to miss this chance to hear his underground rhythms up close and personal. Resident DJ Sean Ferguson opens and DJ Seven keeps it real funky in the lounge. Upcoming: 8/11 Mark Farina, and San Diego's Daeman 8/18 Kevin Yost 8/25 Mauricio Sub Zero is every Saturday @ Sno-Drift, 1830 Third St (@16th) in San Francisco, 9pm-4am, 21+, $15, reduced before 11:30. 415.431.4766 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70274-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 20:34:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48928 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 20:34:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48910 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 20:34:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803203420.31404.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:34:20 -0700 (PDT) From: FUckFace Johnson To: ClockworkEventz@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <8f.e3b57c7.289c5da0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] CLOCKWORKZ~Friday Aug 17~Backbeat~bsp the backbeat is retarded. --- ClockworkEventz@aol.com wrote: > Clockwork invites you to a special monthly series... > > CLOCKWORKZ`~Let the wheelz begin > > :date: Friday August 17th, 2001 > > :space: www.thebackbeat.com , 777 Lawrence Expy, > Santa Clara, CA > > :doors: 9pm til 2am 21+ > > :dj's: Ron Reeser, Jasen Chavez, Anthony Charles, > Serg Rockwell, Jordan > Joves > :special: Shasta Cox's future funky fashion show w/ > exotic models, > enviromental > stimulation by Clockwork > > :contact: 408-747-7742 or > ClockworkEventz@aol.com > > :repeat: Friday Sept. 14 with special guest dj's > > > * If you would like to be on the guest list for this > special event, be one of > the first 10 people to reply by email with your > first and last name. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70275-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 20:35:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52076 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 20:35:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52059 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 20:35:37 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Annamarie Traver" To: "FUckFace Johnson" , , , Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:33:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010803203420.31404.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] CLOCKWORKZ~Friday Aug 17~Backbeat~bsp i agree- the backbeat is lame -----Original Message----- From: FUckFace Johnson [mailto:smellmyeggs@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:34 PM To: ClockworkEventz@aol.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org; sacraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] CLOCKWORKZ~Friday Aug 17~Backbeat~bsp the backbeat is retarded. --- ClockworkEventz@aol.com wrote: > Clockwork invites you to a special monthly series... > > CLOCKWORKZ`~Let the wheelz begin > > :date: Friday August 17th, 2001 > > :space: www.thebackbeat.com , 777 Lawrence Expy, > Santa Clara, CA > > :doors: 9pm til 2am 21+ > > :dj's: Ron Reeser, Jasen Chavez, Anthony Charles, > Serg Rockwell, Jordan > Joves > :special: Shasta Cox's future funky fashion show w/ > exotic models, > enviromental > stimulation by Clockwork > > :contact: 408-747-7742 or > ClockworkEventz@aol.com > > :repeat: Friday Sept. 14 with special guest dj's > > > * If you would like to be on the guest list for this > special event, be one of > the first 10 people to reply by email with your > first and last name. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70276-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 21:20:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94059 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 21:20:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94049 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 21:20:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803211936.9961.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "grant stevens" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 05:19:36 +0800 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] D&B track IDs please all- need some help from the D&B peeps. we received several UK promos in our order, and, as always, they have no ID except maybe the label(!?!). they are up in real audio clips and it would be awesome if someone could give them a listen and give me a clue as to the artist and/or title. just go to http://www.alienrecords.net/ do search for drum & bass>>this week the promos are of course "white" labels and if you have any luck , hit me at grant@virtualmediahost.com thanks!! grant stevens http://alienrecords.net -- _______________________________________________ FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70277-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 21:27:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3971 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 21:27:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3961 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 21:27:50 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c11c63$2c15c9d0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:27:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C11C28.7EC71390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] hey do you know anyone looking for depche mode tix? ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C11C28.7EC71390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey my friend has three tickets for sale...anyone interested? 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The team will have this feature ready by = product launch. = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C11C28.F44F93D0-- From sfraves-return-70279-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 21:33:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12698 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 21:33:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12688 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 21:32:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803213258.28307.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: djd list , Orphan List , sf raves , F 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] From the PLUR Avenger Set in a scene that started back in 1992, New York exploded with its first rave This is the setting where Frankie Bones gave his legendary speech... A concept we all know as PLUR The values of peace, love, unity and respect... This was to be a big part of the rave scene Years later, the scene has changed... People dont believe in PLUR anymore Why? Is it so impossible to achieve? Its such a simple idea People make it more complex than it is They say PLUR is dead It all adds up The people that say its dead, make it die If no one said PLUR was dead, It wouldn't be and those values would still burn strong in every single raver everywhere But thats not the case anymore So many jaded and disturbed ravers... How can it possibly exist when people go around yelling "Fuck PLUR!" It can Inside the people who believe in it Those people can make it live on as I do Now people believing in PLUR are associated with being druggies and e-tards I, for one am not an e-tard and neither are a lot of other PLUR believers I go for one reason... The music Nowadays, people are entering the scene not knowing anything about it They come for the drugs, giving our scene a bad reputation With the negative comes false identities... Why be afraid to display who you really are? Are you a kandy kid? Wear your kandy with pride! Are you a junglist? Bounce all over the floor and have the time of your life! Are you hardcore? Jump in that hardcore pit and OWN IT! Are you a glowstick ninja? Get in that circle and prove it! Are you a raver? Rave til dawn! Dont let anyone pull you down! Be yourself! Why be scared to display who you are? Some people get all decked out Some people have very odd dancing styles So what! If youre one of those people, LET IT ALL OUT! Without PLUR, a scene gradually dies The idea that PLUR is dead is false When you get on the floor and dance like theres no tomorrow... When you're by your friends and never want to leave them... When you smile... When you hug someone... Thats all part of PLUR PLUR isnt dead Its as dead as you make it The more you think its dead, The more likely it will be dead I cant find one person who is completely negative Not one person who doesnt smile So PLUR has to exist and it does Maybe not in some people... but the people who are real to the scene realize it There might not be PLUR in the outside world but there is on the inside of a venue when we all get together to dance as one Why fight at a rave? Going around spewing negative comments wont get you anything Itll make people hate you Why would you want to be hated? And for the jaded ravers... Why do you rave if it doesnt excite you anymore? That doesnt make sense... Fighting at a rave... What an oxymoron... A place that supposed to promote good vibes and harmony... Taken on by disconcern and shadiness... How sad Who did you come to see tonight? Dont you want to dance your ass of too that DJ? Why not do that instead of fight Thats what I do... Doesnt dancing bring you happiness? So do it! Get in the dance circle and tear it up! Own it! Dont let it own you! Just like the scene... Stop being so shady and see what its there for The reason we rave is for just one night to lock ourselves out of the outside world Dont let the issues of the outside world affect us on the inside We are one One massive of ravers from all over the world Lets show the world who we are Lets show the world what we do Lets find that one venue on a weekend that will let the party go on They cant shut us down! Until the music stops, we will rave on forever In our hearts lives the music... The music of a heartbeat In our minds lives that brilliant techno beat... That beat that wont leave us alone The beat that goes through our heads at work... at school... and everywhere we go... The music can never stop Thats all we need... The music will keep us together... if you allow it to... e PLURibus unum __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70280-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 21:50:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35677 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 21:50:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35667 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 21:50:34 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c11c66$a3f26be0$c9d8aec7@rambo> From: "dASHA" To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:29:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? THE SURGEON!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: DFD.07 o0][0][0o To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] What DJs Would You Like to Hear in SF? > John Kelly > > >Personally, I have a thing for DJ Shady P. Very good electric breaks. > > > >At 1:00 AM -0400 8/2/01, Klatuu02@aol.com wrote: > >>Tsuyoshi Suzuki or Josh Wink... > >>we need more acid and breaks djs around the bay area.. > >> > >>peace > >>-moksha > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70281-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 21:52:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39781 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 21:52:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39768 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 21:52:16 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org From: Shaman Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org CC: djd list , Orphan List , sf raves , F 8 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:53:26 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-201-80-7.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.7]; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:52:09 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: F8: From the PLUR Avenger Baked, Not Fried, Shaman At Friday, 3 August 2001, Jamie Murray wrote: >Set in a scene that started back in 1992, >New York exploded with its first rave >This is the setting where Frankie Bones gave his >legendary speech... >A concept we all know as PLUR >The values of peace, love, unity and respect... > >This was to be a big part of the rave scene >Years later, the scene has changed... >People dont believe in PLUR anymore >Why? >Is it so impossible to achieve? >Its such a simple idea >People make it more complex than it is > >They say PLUR is dead >It all adds up >The people that say its dead, make it die >If no one said PLUR was dead, It wouldn't be >and those values would still burn strong in every >single raver everywhere > >But thats not the case anymore >So many jaded and disturbed ravers... >How can it possibly exist when people go around >yelling "Fuck PLUR!" >It can >Inside the people who believe in it >Those people can make it live on >as I do > >Now people believing in PLUR are associated with being >druggies and e-tards >I, for one am not an e-tard >and neither are a lot of other PLUR believers >I go for one reason... >The music > >Nowadays, people are entering the scene not knowing >anything about it >They come for the drugs, >giving our scene a bad reputation > >With the negative comes false identities... >Why be afraid to display who you really are? >Are you a kandy kid? >Wear your kandy with pride! >Are you a junglist? >Bounce all over the floor and have the time of your >life! >Are you hardcore? >Jump in that hardcore pit and OWN IT! >Are you a glowstick ninja? >Get in that circle and prove it! >Are you a raver? >Rave til dawn! >Dont let anyone pull you down! >Be yourself! > >Why be scared to display who you are? >Some people get all decked out >Some people have very odd dancing styles >So what! >If youre one of those people, >LET IT ALL OUT! > >Without PLUR, a scene gradually dies >The idea that PLUR is dead is false >When you get on the floor and dance like theres no >tomorrow... >When you're by your friends and never want to leave >them... >When you smile... >When you hug someone... >Thats all part of PLUR > >PLUR isnt dead >Its as dead as you make it >The more you think its dead, >The more likely it will be dead > >I cant find one person who is completely negative >Not one person who doesnt smile >So PLUR has to exist >and it does >Maybe not in some people... >but the people who are real to the scene realize it > >There might not be PLUR in the outside world >but there is on the inside of a venue when we all get >together to dance as one > >Why fight at a rave? >Going around spewing negative comments wont get you >anything >Itll make people hate you >Why would you want to be hated? > >And for the jaded ravers... >Why do you rave if it doesnt excite you anymore? >That doesnt make sense... > >Fighting at a rave... >What an oxymoron... >A place that supposed to promote good vibes and >harmony... >Taken on by disconcern and shadiness... >How sad > >Who did you come to see tonight? >Dont you want to dance your ass of too that DJ? >Why not do that instead of fight >Thats what I do... > >Doesnt dancing bring you happiness? >So do it! >Get in the dance circle and tear it up! >Own it! >Dont let it own you! > >Just like the scene... >Stop being so shady and see what its there for >The reason we rave is for just one night to lock >ourselves out of the outside >world >Dont let the issues of the outside world affect us on >the inside >We are one >One massive of ravers from all over the world > >Lets show the world who we are >Lets show the world what we do >Lets find that one venue on a weekend that will let >the party go on >They cant shut us down! >Until the music stops, we will rave on forever > >In our hearts lives the music... >The music of a heartbeat >In our minds lives that brilliant techno beat... >That beat that wont leave us alone >The beat that goes through our heads at work... >at school... >and everywhere we go... >The music can never stop > >Thats all we need... >The music will keep us together... >if you allow it to... > >e PLURibus unum > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >--- >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. org >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70282-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 21:54:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43179 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 21:54:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43169 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 21:54:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Terrac Skiens To: Jamie Murray cc: djd list , Orphan List , sf raves , F 8 In-Reply-To: <20010803213258.28307.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] From the PLUR Avenger Like any slogan the feeling behind PLUR was lost shortly after it's inception. Gone with time. The Ideals of PLUR however do mean something, and are still alive, even if we don't shout an over used mantra from the roof tops and parking lots. My life is more complicated than a catch phrase, deeper than a slogan. I respect my friends and people I do not know. I value justice and I try to set things right in this extremely messed up world when possible. But I am not a "just do it" or "No Fear" kinda guy. I am me, an ever changing, evolving at the speed of life person. PLUR means something, I keep that in mind. Not just when at a party, not just when it's convenient. Always. To respect the human on the bus next to you, to love them and be compassionate about them. Thats PLUR. When I hear people chanting PLUR it's never in the right context. Either they are a bunch of wide-eyed nieve kids who are saying it because it's soemthign to say and everyone else is saying it, or it's a bunch of jaded, sarcastic scenesters that like to put other people down because they need to feel powerful. Give the slogan a rest and just live your lives in the best way possible. Think about what your actions will do to someone else. Think about how you can do something for someone else, even though you may not have to. This life is as long as it is. Do something more with it. -terrac On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Jamie Murray wrote: > Set in a scene that started back in 1992, > New York exploded with its first rave > This is the setting where Frankie Bones gave his > legendary speech... > A concept we all know as PLUR > The values of peace, love, unity and respect... > > This was to be a big part of the rave scene > Years later, the scene has changed... > People dont believe in PLUR anymore > Why? > Is it so impossible to achieve? > Its such a simple idea > People make it more complex than it is > > They say PLUR is dead > It all adds up > The people that say its dead, make it die > If no one said PLUR was dead, It wouldn't be > and those values would still burn strong in every > single raver everywhere > > But thats not the case anymore > So many jaded and disturbed ravers... > How can it possibly exist when people go around > yelling "Fuck PLUR!" > It can > Inside the people who believe in it > Those people can make it live on > as I do > > Now people believing in PLUR are associated with being > druggies and e-tards > I, for one am not an e-tard > and neither are a lot of other PLUR believers > I go for one reason... > The music > > Nowadays, people are entering the scene not knowing > anything about it > They come for the drugs, > giving our scene a bad reputation > > With the negative comes false identities... > Why be afraid to display who you really are? > Are you a kandy kid? > Wear your kandy with pride! > Are you a junglist? > Bounce all over the floor and have the time of your > life! > Are you hardcore? > Jump in that hardcore pit and OWN IT! > Are you a glowstick ninja? > Get in that circle and prove it! > Are you a raver? > Rave til dawn! > Dont let anyone pull you down! > Be yourself! > > Why be scared to display who you are? > Some people get all decked out > Some people have very odd dancing styles > So what! > If youre one of those people, > LET IT ALL OUT! > > Without PLUR, a scene gradually dies > The idea that PLUR is dead is false > When you get on the floor and dance like theres no > tomorrow... > When you're by your friends and never want to leave > them... > When you smile... > When you hug someone... > Thats all part of PLUR > > PLUR isnt dead > Its as dead as you make it > The more you think its dead, > The more likely it will be dead > > I cant find one person who is completely negative > Not one person who doesnt smile > So PLUR has to exist > and it does > Maybe not in some people... > but the people who are real to the scene realize it > > There might not be PLUR in the outside world > but there is on the inside of a venue when we all get > together to dance as one > > Why fight at a rave? > Going around spewing negative comments wont get you > anything > Itll make people hate you > Why would you want to be hated? > > And for the jaded ravers... > Why do you rave if it doesnt excite you anymore? > That doesnt make sense... > > Fighting at a rave... > What an oxymoron... > A place that supposed to promote good vibes and > harmony... > Taken on by disconcern and shadiness... > How sad > > Who did you come to see tonight? > Dont you want to dance your ass of too that DJ? > Why not do that instead of fight > Thats what I do... > > Doesnt dancing bring you happiness? > So do it! > Get in the dance circle and tear it up! > Own it! > Dont let it own you! > > Just like the scene... > Stop being so shady and see what its there for > The reason we rave is for just one night to lock > ourselves out of the outside > world > Dont let the issues of the outside world affect us on > the inside > We are one > One massive of ravers from all over the world > > Lets show the world who we are > Lets show the world what we do > Lets find that one venue on a weekend that will let > the party go on > They cant shut us down! > Until the music stops, we will rave on forever > > In our hearts lives the music... > The music of a heartbeat > In our minds lives that brilliant techno beat... > That beat that wont leave us alone > The beat that goes through our heads at work... > at school... > and everywhere we go... > The music can never stop > > Thats all we need... > The music will keep us together... > if you allow it to... > > e PLURibus unum > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70283-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 22:13:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60089 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 22:13:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60079 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 22:13:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803221326.33407.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: Solomon Eisenberg , djd-list@dj-d.com, orphan@topica.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: From the PLUR Avenger I want to add one more thing. The first time i experienced PLUR was in 93. I took a friend (Duane)to a house party. Don't know if any of you remember this. But this guy use to have a house in Castro Valley that every one thought was going to slide down the side of the cliff, teehee, and he would throw parties there all the time. Well i think the house is still there. Anyways. He ran into a guy that he use to go to highschool with (Ian). Ian came up to him and said "I thought you where an asshole in high school. But you know what? Your pretty cool". That was PLUR. and i am damn proud that i was a part of that. --- Solomon Eisenberg wrote: > I think I'm gonna cry... > > Yup...I'm crying... > > right on! Now I can have a good time this weekend. > See you guys at the FnF > reuinion. > > -=sOl=- > > > >From: Jamie Murray > >To: djd list , Orphan List > , sf > >raves , F 8 > > >Subject: From the PLUR Avenger > >Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Set in a scene that started back in 1992, > >New York exploded with its first rave > >This is the setting where Frankie Bones gave his > >legendary speech... > >A concept we all know as PLUR > >The values of peace, love, unity and respect... > > > >This was to be a big part of the rave scene > >Years later, the scene has changed... > >People dont believe in PLUR anymore > >Why? > >Is it so impossible to achieve? > >Its such a simple idea > >People make it more complex than it is > > > >They say PLUR is dead > >It all adds up > >The people that say its dead, make it die > >If no one said PLUR was dead, It wouldn't be > >and those values would still burn strong in every > >single raver everywhere > > > >But thats not the case anymore > >So many jaded and disturbed ravers... > >How can it possibly exist when people go around > >yelling "Fuck PLUR!" > >It can > >Inside the people who believe in it > >Those people can make it live on > >as I do > > > >Now people believing in PLUR are associated with > being > >druggies and e-tards > >I, for one am not an e-tard > >and neither are a lot of other PLUR believers > >I go for one reason... > >The music > > > >Nowadays, people are entering the scene not knowing > >anything about it > >They come for the drugs, > >giving our scene a bad reputation > > > >With the negative comes false identities... > >Why be afraid to display who you really are? > >Are you a kandy kid? > >Wear your kandy with pride! > >Are you a junglist? > >Bounce all over the floor and have the time of your > >life! > >Are you hardcore? > >Jump in that hardcore pit and OWN IT! > >Are you a glowstick ninja? > >Get in that circle and prove it! > >Are you a raver? > >Rave til dawn! > >Dont let anyone pull you down! > >Be yourself! > > > >Why be scared to display who you are? > >Some people get all decked out > >Some people have very odd dancing styles > >So what! > >If youre one of those people, > >LET IT ALL OUT! > > > >Without PLUR, a scene gradually dies > >The idea that PLUR is dead is false > >When you get on the floor and dance like theres no > >tomorrow... > >When you're by your friends and never want to leave > >them... > >When you smile... > >When you hug someone... > >Thats all part of PLUR > > > >PLUR isnt dead > >Its as dead as you make it > >The more you think its dead, > >The more likely it will be dead > > > >I cant find one person who is completely negative > >Not one person who doesnt smile > >So PLUR has to exist > >and it does > >Maybe not in some people... > >but the people who are real to the scene realize it > > > >There might not be PLUR in the outside world > >but there is on the inside of a venue when we all > get > >together to dance as one > > > >Why fight at a rave? > >Going around spewing negative comments wont get you > >anything > >Itll make people hate you > >Why would you want to be hated? > > > >And for the jaded ravers... > >Why do you rave if it doesnt excite you anymore? > >That doesnt make sense... > > > >Fighting at a rave... > >What an oxymoron... > >A place that supposed to promote good vibes and > >harmony... > >Taken on by disconcern and shadiness... > >How sad > > > >Who did you come to see tonight? > >Dont you want to dance your ass of too that DJ? > >Why not do that instead of fight > >Thats what I do... > > > >Doesnt dancing bring you happiness? > >So do it! > >Get in the dance circle and tear it up! > >Own it! > >Dont let it own you! > > > >Just like the scene... > >Stop being so shady and see what its there for > >The reason we rave is for just one night to lock > >ourselves out of the outside > >world > >Dont let the issues of the outside world affect us > on > >the inside > >We are one > >One massive of ravers from all over the world > > > >Lets show the world who we are > >Lets show the world what we do > >Lets find that one venue on a weekend that will let > >the party go on > >They cant shut us down! > >Until the music stops, we will rave on forever > > > >In our hearts lives the music... > >The music of a heartbeat > >In our minds lives that brilliant techno beat... > >That beat that wont leave us alone > >The beat that goes through our heads at work... > >at school... > >and everywhere we go... > >The music can never stop > > > >Thats all we need... > >The music will keep us together... > >if you allow it to... > > > >e PLURibus unum > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70284-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 22:14:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62792 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 22:14:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62781 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 22:14:57 -0000 From: Tim Hockin Message-Id: <200108032201.f73M1Go08254@www.hockin.org> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:01:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Roll call for NRGize? I'll be there - anyone else? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70285-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 22:20:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71795 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 22:20:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71785 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 22:20:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803222023.42227.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:20:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sarah B." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4!!?!! Hey List! Who will be at HT4 this weekend? I can't wait! Permitted party all the way till dawn, all my local fave DJ's, my fave friends, and i get to see my lovely GINA, DJ Girlie spin.....woo hoo! Hope to see all of you there with bells on! I can't wait to dance....my body is going through withdrawls because I havent been out dancing since Legend two weeks ago! Big Hugs, Sarah B. :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70286-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 22:30:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80037 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 22:30:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79997 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 22:30:42 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:30:11 -0700 From: "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: Istyly@onebox.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 206.169.111.251 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4 Update Hello Everyone. Hotel Trance is coming along fine. Directions will be posted tomorrow at noon. Party will start at 10pm and end at 6am. Tickets are sold out at F-8. You can still get tickets at Skills, Solid Grooves, Twilight Zone, Harmonics and Sticky Vinyl. Call (415) 820-3202 or (510) 496-6078 for directions. THIS PARTY IS NOT IN PLEASANTON or LIVERMORE that was a rumor. see you there. --- Thanks! Please party and play safe. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70287-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 22:34:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85823 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 22:34:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85813 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 22:34:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.15.3.155] From: "ravah luv" To: sugam@mac.com, kgb@dreamscape.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:34:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 22:34:21.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[70BFD3B0:01C11C6C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Detroit Ghetto-tech this Saturday! this is straight from the flyer: Mr. Brown and The Future PRimitive Sound bring you: The Bridge sat, aug 4, Mission Rock, SF 4 sound systems till 4 am 1. Godfather (Detroit, Twilight 76) Dj Quest w/ Doc Fu Vinroc w/ Apollo Paul Nice w/ Coop D'Ville 2. Exact Science electro bass'n'breaks John Howard Bre-ad live Electro by Cybrid 3 J-Boogie Raw B Wisdom 4. (Dancehall) Beatsauce outdoors Jahyzer Rasta Q-Tip Romanowski at Mission Rock 817 China Basin (Mariposa by 3rd St.) 9pm - 4am $10 till 11pm, guestlist closes at midnight um-hum, Dj Godfather, ghetto in the house!! >From: sugam jain >To: Kenneth Bice >CC: ravah luv , >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Detroit Ghetto-tech this Saturday! >Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:58:42 -0700 > >Anyone got more info yet? > >sugam > >On Wednesday, August 1, 2001, at 11:42 AM, Kenneth Bice wrote: > >>!!!!GHETTO TECH!!!! >> >>BIG WOO HOO! >> >>to bad im gonna be gone or i would be there for sure... >>this is dope shit people dont miss it. >> >>laterz, >> >>kenneth >> >>On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, ravah luv wrote: >> >>>hi all - >>>this isn't my event, it is thrown by Mr. Brown Presents so hopefully >>>more >>>complete info will be posted this week, >>> >>>BUT, for everyone out there that love Detroit ghetto-tech sounds, Dj >>>Godfather is spinning this Saturday at Kelly's Mission Rock! Its four >>>rooms >>>of sound and goes till 4 am, 21+ of course, with some electro, hip-hop, >>>dancehall, a beatsauce room, and of course Dj Godfather. >>> >>>Detroit ghetto-tech is sort of like chicago ghetto house sped up, >>>mixed with >>>fast-ass electro beats, even a bit of jungle, dropped fast and furious >>>with >>>tons of mixing a beatjuggling and scratching - really different and >>>hardly >>>ever heard out here in SF. >>> >>>B >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70288-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 22:37:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89434 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 22:37:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89366 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 22:37:15 -0000 From: "The TieDyed Side of the Force" To: , Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:35:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Question # 2: Should all parties be 18 and over? First 18+, then 21+, then what? Divide and conquer. Kids need to dance. So do their parents (some just don't know it yet). Ride the Music AndyTiedye > -----Original Message----- > From: BodhiInSF@aol.com [mailto:BodhiInSF@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 9:26 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] Question # 2: Should all parties be 18 and over? > > > What do you think of the idea of abolishing "all ages" parties with > parties being strictly 18 and over, and promoters having more day parties > where those under 18 can attend? Would 18+ parties clean up a lot > of problems > that are giving our scene a bad rap in the out side world, or > would it not > make any difference one way or the other? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70289-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 22:51:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 991 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 22:51:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 972 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 22:51:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:56:10 -0700 From: Robert Warren To: Tim Hockin , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <00b101c11c6f$7d3a39c0$6501a8c0@notebook> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200108032201.f73M1Go08254@www.hockin.org> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll call for NRGize? Me and my gf Brenda will be there. She just got turned on to Morgan's mixes in the past few weeks. I had to go and buy another ticket the other day just so I could take her. She'll be wearing purple track pants and a pink tank top. Robi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hockin" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: [sfraves] Roll call for NRGize? > I'll be there - anyone else? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70290-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 23:25:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21783 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 23:25:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21764 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 23:25:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010803232526.87850.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:25:26 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: So what is everybody up to tonight? I do agree $20 is excessive for a club, but then again I think they got a pretty expensive lineup. But then again it could have still been cheaper, but I don't know their expenses. I think the venue is a venue, it's really the show that's going to make the difference. I don't know the promoters or anything, but I'll be there tonight to see for myself. Our last show that was moved there last minute has good response and went well, but then again we had our own security which the club doesn't often allow. Whatever you all do have fun, be safe, and have a great weekend:) Sascha Xtort: http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net Xtort Database: 916.565.6677 Xtort Contact: xtortproductions@yahoo.com --- Kreg wrote: > WORD!!! someone please explain why they are charging > $20 for thomas > trainwreck..... AT THE ALPHA ZONE! > > _kreg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ Pat" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:40 PM > Subject: RE: So what is everybody up to tonight? > > > > --- "Noble, Joe" wrote: > > > Wtf, $20? Are these some sick ass dj's or what? > > > > > MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! > > > > > > > > ===== > > ------------------------Raving Iz Not A > Crime---------------------- > > http://www.DJ-Pat.com > > For Bookings/Info/Phone Sex: (559)787-2306 or > (916)492-9714 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70291-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 23:32:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29838 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 23:32:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29827 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 23:32:26 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.141.198] From: "M Le" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:31:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 23:31:58.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D491490:01C11C74] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 3 tix 4 sale: Friends & Family Campout this weekend 8\4 - 8\5 !!! -->Hiya Peeps, Today is your lucky day, I have three extra tickets for sale for this weekend's legendary Friends and Family campout in the mountains. Each ticket is $25 (at cost) and priority will be given to anyone who wants all three at the same time. FYI the party is a good three hour's drive from SF and it _is_ held outdoors, so plan accordingly. Music starts at noon this Saturday (8\4) and will end sometime in the afternoon on Sunday (8\5). Directions and details etc, are included with the tix. Please call me at (415) 637-3084 to arrange payment/pick-up, DO NOT EMAIL ME. I won't have net access all day, so the only way to reach me is by telephone! Happy Grooves, M&m _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70292-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 23:33:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32711 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 23:33:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32701 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 23:33:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.142.153.34] From: "Megan Long" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 23:33:13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 23:33:13.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9EB03A0:01C11C74] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] info on Elektronik City Hey, has anyone heard of this party on Sept. 1 (Labor Day Weekend)? Are we talking Slinky, the UK super-club, here? I wonder if they put this together just now, after Mekka flopped, because BT's on the lineup. Looks tempting... Smile (it's Friday!), **Meg** Slinky presents ELEKTRONIK CITY Four sectors of music. Sector One: Tall Paul (UK), dj Dimitry (Holland), DJ Dan (USA), Bad Boy Bill (AM ONLY), Charles feel good (AM ONLY), Donald Glaude (Seattle) Sector Two: BT(UK, LPA), Westbam (Germany), Kimbal Collins (FL), Sandra Collins (NY) Sector Three: Dj Hype (UK), Goldie (UK), Diesel Boy (UK), Bad Company (UK), A-trak (ISP), Danny the Wild Child (Chicago), Phantom 45 (Chicago) Sector Four: Vinylgroover (UK), Omar Santana (NYC), Superfast OZZY (UK). Thundering 50k watts of Turbo Sound, four indoor stages of mindblowing lighting and laser shows. This is an 18 and up event a valid form of age verification is required (no ecceptions). The show will take place in a central valley location. NOTE: DJ line ups are subject to confirmation and availability. Stay tune for flyers to confirm info lines, location and complete line up. Camping facilities are Available. Please plan accordingly. $50 dollar tickets will be available at the usual ticket outlets in SF Bay Area, San Diego AND LA. date: September 1 (Saturday) location: underground central valley location, TBA tickets: $50 presale tickets at the usual locations _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70293-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 23:41:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37559 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 23:41:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37548 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 23:41:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:41:47 -0600 From: TheNetworkGirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <008001c11c6d$7aac26c0$6501a8c0@esl.snfc21.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_j/hQk6exd56WMmH1MtLPKw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Butthugger Fundraiser, Really? --Boundary_(ID_j/hQk6exd56WMmH1MtLPKw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I was cleaning out some stuff today and emptied the goody bag from Coachella fest- cool stickers etc. and I noticed a flyer for the BUTTHUGGER fundraiser-- "A fundraiser of epic proportions that encourages the people of Los Angeles and those in the Music, Entertainment, Fashion Industries to donate loose fitting designer clothes to needy kids. Fundraising by people who give a Fuck." Real or not? Going to Fly or Not? TheNetworkGirl http://www.thenetworkgirl.com "Artists Welcome" --Boundary_(ID_j/hQk6exd56WMmH1MtLPKw)-- From sfraves-return-70294-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 03 23:41:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38628 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Aug 2001 23:41:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38520 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 23:41:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:42:56 -0600 From: TheNetworkGirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <008c01c11c6d$a3eb3bc0$6501a8c0@esl.snfc21.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_FBy4aLFOYkPMQMiBbkHKjg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fw: Butthugger Fundraiser, (oops URL) --Boundary_(ID_FBy4aLFOYkPMQMiBbkHKjg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT OOPS here is the URL to http://www.butthugger.com TheNetworkGirl http://www.thenetworkgirl.com "Artists Welcome" ----- Original Message ----- From: TheNetworkGirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: NRR: Butthugger Fundraiser, Really? I was cleaning out some stuff today and emptied the goody bag from Coachella fest- cool stickers etc. and I noticed a flyer for the BUTTHUGGER fundraiser-- "A fundraiser of epic proportions that encourages the people of Los Angeles and those in the Music, Entertainment, Fashion Industries to donate loose fitting designer clothes to needy kids. Fundraising by people who give a Fuck." Real or not? Going to Fly or Not? TheNetworkGirl http://www.thenetworkgirl.com "Artists Welcome" --Boundary_(ID_FBy4aLFOYkPMQMiBbkHKjg)-- From sfraves-return-70295-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 00:24:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63844 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 00:24:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63833 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 00:24:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.161.200.28] From: "- shannon -" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:23:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2001 00:23:32.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1A21870:01C11C7B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll call for NRGize? i'll be there aswell. *See You On The Dance Floor* >From: Robert Warren >To: Tim Hockin , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll call for NRGize? >Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:56:10 -0700 > >Me and my gf Brenda will be there. She just got turned on to Morgan's >mixes >in the past few weeks. I had to go and buy another ticket the other day >just so I could take her. She'll be wearing purple track pants and a pink >tank top. > >Robi > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Hockin" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:01 PM >Subject: [sfraves] Roll call for NRGize? > > > > I'll be there - anyone else? > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70296-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 00:44:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78930 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 00:44:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78917 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 00:44:03 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:56:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HOUSE MUSIC 101: Issue 24 - The Eighties, Part 4 "Dance music, as I define it, is rhythm-machine music. The machines augment bodily thought. They allow the drummer to become a superhuman percussionist. They allow you to play lots of different tones and lots of different rhythms that you wouldn't be able to play normally. It's about opening out a new kind of physical interface. And in fact, machines de-physicalize music. In other words, if you can just push a button for percussion, then you don't need to practice lots of hours on the drums. So in that sense, you have to think more about the music you're playing, or you have to think more about the organization of rhythm and the organization of sound." -Kodwo Eshun, "House: The Reinvention of House" in "A History of Electronic Music" (Caipirinha Publications, Inc., New York, 2000), p. 72. "I remember one time at the record pool, this guy walked in and was talking about a beat book (an index of songs organized by bpm). This was when the whole beats-per-minute idea came in. And we laughed at him. 'What are you talking about? This is totally unnecessary!' But it became very popular." -David Mancuso XXIV. THE EIGHTIES, PART 4. The eighties began with the election of Ronald Reagan as president and the application of "Reaganomics" or supply side theory -- cut taxes, reduce government spending, and trickle down money from the top to the lower classes. The actuality was "deficit spending," wherein the national debt was increased from about $700 billion to $2.1 trillion. The government spent more than it took in, and much of the deficit spending was focused on increasing the military budget to twice the 1981 level so that America could regain prestige lost in the Vietnam defeat by again taking an aggressive stance against Communism. The Cold War heated up once more. In the sixties and seventies many of the values and traditions of the past, for better or worse, were swept aside and replaced with a kind of moral relativism. One thing the baby boomers failed to do for the most part, in my opinion, was to construct a viable new social and moral order. Business, a revamped form of secular Puritanism, stepped in the vacuum and established itself as the primary cultural and moral force in America. "Greed" was no longer a deadly sin but a cardinal virtue. The term "yuppie" was coined and was originally applied to many sixties baby boomers who cut their hair and replaced tie-dye with power tie to embrace the new religion of productivity and consumption of the eighties. It is hard to imagine now that there was a time when most educated people read the arts sections of the newspaper first and tossed the business section. When education meant the liberal arts, and not a narrow preparation, even at the graduate level, for a technical or business trade. The business of business came to permeate everything in American life. High schools and colleges restructured to accommodate the needs of business. Arts organizations, traditional religion, non-profits, publishing, music, film, virtually every element of the culture, turned to business structure for redemption. It used to be very bad form to ask someone what they did for a living. Rather, one wanted to discover who the other person was intellectually and emotionally. In the new order, one was what one did for a living. One was valued for one's ability to contribute to the economy, and nothing else. That value was publicly reflected in the level of consumables one was able to display. People did talk a lot about "values" in the eighties. "Family values" in particular. The religious right and other traditionalists continually bemoaned the decline of families and family values in America. This they blamed on homosexuality and other sexual "immorality" and associated evils like dancing, drugs and pleasure-seeking. Greed was never mentioned as a cause for the dissolution of the family and community structures. The most obvious reason for family decline, to my mind, was the emergence of the business "career" as the ultimate raison d'etre of life. All the rest was secondary, including child-rearing and community involvement. The "Eighties" -- and its continuation into the nineties -- really marked the triumph of capitalism worldwide. The eighties gave rise to an almost unquestioned belief that democracy and the capitalist system were one and the same and the best hope for the future of humankind. The left became the center; the right moved further right. We outspent the Soviets on military toys, and Communism collapsed. Socialism, the bright experiment that began at the turn of the century, was discredited. Corporations began to play a crucial role in global politics and cultural change. At some point a few years ago I began to ask myself and those around me a horrific question: "Are all our deepest needs and desires the result of some successful business marketing plan?" The greedy eighties ended mired in a recession. Interestingly, the cold-blooded entrepreneurial nineties seems to be producing the same result these days. A. FEAR OF LIFE AND THE EMERGENCE OF COCOONING My former boss, the CEO of a large corporation, used to tell me that there are only two things that motivate people: fear and greed. There was certainly enough greed going around in the eighties. An irrational fear of social contact was also evolving. The spread of AIDS certainly did much to motivate people to reevaluate a number of important social interactions. Dancing was one of them. But this in itself doesn't explain the increasing fear of public interactions and events outside the workplace that runs rampant through modern American culture . The impact of the commercialization of news product certainly played a role in all this. Tabloid headlines sell. Solid statistics don't. Danger was everywhere, it seemed. The war on Drugs heated up, with the "Just Say No" and related media campaigns. Crack dealers presumably were on all school corners waiting to entice one's children into using drugs at any age. Even worse, molesters were everywhere abusing and stealing children -- even teachers became suspect. Guess this becomes an even greater fear when the career might mean days go by before you even notice your kids are missing. Public places were portrayed as unsafe habitats of angry, violent folks who would take your money at all costs because enough money wasn't trickling down to them to support their evil lifestyles. In NYC there were rumors floating about all the time about people who had their fingers cut off so that thieves could quickly steal expensive rings. Folks started going out without jewelry. Modern technology came to the rescue. The eighties marked the beginning of the personal entertainment revolution. With the advent of technologies like the VCR, gaming systems, cable television and, ultimately, the home computer, it was no longer necessary to go out of the home and interact with others to be entertained. Atari, Intellivision, Sega Master System (1986), Nintendo, the Apple Macintosh (1984), CATV, the Beta VCR by Sony (as early as 1970) (I still have two); and the Sony Walkman (1984) so that if you wished you didn't even have to interact with folks on the way to and from work. The kids could entertain themselves at home whilst the parents pursued 24/7 careers. And they could now watch MTV, that magnificent marketing innovation that cloaked itself in youthful revolution and cool and came to shape the buying habits of a whole generation. It became hip to proudly wear a manufacturer's label on all one's subcultural gear. Product placement in music videos, viral marketing -- all innovations of the eighties. Now one reads in the latest subcultural magazines about the most "subversive" cultural figures -- and at the bottom of the page one can find the labels for the underground fashions they sport and where to buy them. Revolution, indeed. B. THE CULTURE OF ALIENATION AND EDM It is no wonder, given the cold, inhumane consumer environment of eighties' mainstream culture, that many, especially young people, would begin to feel alienated from life as people once experienced it. Life that included physical contact with others, community and tribal gatherings, magic, adventure, and the smell of healthy human sweat on a dance floor. For many, life that is only defined by work, consuming goods, entertaining oneself, and spending a couple of "quality hours" with the normally parentless kids over the weekend doesn't create much of a fire in the gut. Halfway through the horrid eighties I thought myself that EDM and dancing were over in any meaningful way. I felt I would never again experience the tribal joy and transcendence I used to experience at the Paradise Garage and other underground parties. Living as I knew it, I feared, was dead. And I was wrong. I was wrong because I underestimated the general human need for the tribal experience, for the sweat, for the non-material joy of music and dancing. The oppressive materialism of the eighties and nineties gave birth to a plethora of new, authentic musical subcultures that facilitated the growth of house and EDM, and we will begin our discussion of those in the next issue. NEXT: THE RISE OF MUSICAL SUBCULTURES. Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70297-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 00:48:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82535 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 00:48:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82525 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 00:48:46 -0000 Message-ID: <002801c11c7f$8cb6d060$7c9c0041@plstn1.sfba.home.com> From: "Dan" To: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:51:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C11C44.E03E07C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR - leather spikes ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C11C44.E03E07C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable long ago my girlfriend had a spiked leather bracelet, with 1/2" = green-chrome spikes. sadly it was lost it and i've looked everywhere = trying to replace it. does anybody know where i could order green = chrome spikes from? or any spikes? i'm desperate for a lead. thanks in advance -me ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C11C44.E03E07C0-- From sfraves-return-70298-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 00:51:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84471 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 00:51:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84460 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 00:51:03 -0000 From: Tim Hockin Message-Id: <200108040036.f740aAd16592@www.hockin.org> To: kandeedreamz@hotmail.com (- shannon -) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: from "- shannon -" at Aug 03, 2001 05:23:32 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRGize info? when/where?? > i'll be there aswell. Does anyone have any info about where/when it is? I called the infoline on the tix, and get just a blank voicemail box? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70299-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 01:52:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43461 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 01:52:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43449 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 01:52:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010804015207.50997.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: djd list , Orphan List , sf raves , F 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BTW Re: PLUR To let you guys know I didn't actually write that. I took it from somewhere else and tweaked it a little. The actually person who wrote it is the PLUR Avenger. Hence the title of the thread "From the PLUR Avenger" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70300-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 02:13:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55329 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 02:13:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55319 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 02:13:11 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:25:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11C52.032C1080" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: EARTHDANCE STAGE AT FUSION FESTIVAL AUG 18TH TO 21 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11C52.032C1080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ******************************************************* EARTHDANCE STAGE AT FUSION FESTIVAL AUG 18TH TO 21 ******************************************************* Dear Friends, Just to remind you once again that the Fusion Festival will take place over the weekend of August 18th to 21 on a beautiful piece of land near San Francisco. The festival will bring together the very best in global electronic dance music featuring many special guest artists from across the world. The festival will also feature a special Earthdance night on Friday 18th where we will launch Earthdance Urban, our new initiative for 2001. Featured artists will include, direct from the UK, the funky break beat legends - Blim, Meat Katie, Tipper and more. Other acts will include Medicine Drum(live) and Return to the Source Founder, Mark Allen from the UK. The night will end with a special sunrise ritual led by the Native American drum and dance troupe Eagle Spirit ... A percentage of proceeds form this festival will be donated to the Earthdance Foundation. Don't miss this amazing festival... For more info please check: http://www.fusionfestival.com ::UPCOMING NEWS EARTHDANCE 2001 will be happening on October 13th with over 100 cities taking part for world peace... We have now confirmed a 157 acre magical location in Santa Rosa for a 3 day festival of music, art and healing...more info coming soon..mark your diaries now..!! http://www.earthdance.org See you at the Fusion Festival... Much Love Earthdance.... ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11C52.032C1080-- From sfraves-return-70301-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 02:30:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65787 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 02:30:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65762 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 02:30:04 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 19:30:57 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves CC: sacraves , fresnoraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3079711857_45854" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Tonight! Gianni & Morgan @ Future (bsp) --B_3079711857_45854 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Come out and support! Here's what we have going on at Future tonight and fo= r the next few weeks....... ----------------- Friday, August 3rd G I A N N I M O R G A N ----------------- Friday, August 10th T H O M A S T R O U B L E U P H O N I C ----------------- Friday, August 17th An Evening Presented by.... I L O V E R A V I N G featuring.... A L A I N O C T A V O D J T R O N I C N E U R O P S Y N T I S T B E N H A U S A R T H U R W O O ----------------- Friday, August 24th =AD Special Event - $15 all night N V P 6 Y E A R A N N I V E R S A R Y featuring.... G I A N N I S A H I D A L A I N O C T A V O ----------------- Friday, August 31st O F F I C I A L M E G G A =AD B U Z Z Pre-Party Celebration... Stay Tuned for Line-up... Coming Soon........ 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J O E L A N Z O N + special guest.... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D F U T U R E 375 First Street & Harrison in SF 18 & Over with valid ID Full-Bar Lounge for 21 and up! 9 pm - 2 am $10 before 10 pm (excluding special events) $15 after 10 pm For more info, please call 415.281.0866 or http://www.globalparty.com --B_3079711857_45854-- From sfraves-return-70302-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 02:56:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81489 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 02:56:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81479 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 02:56:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20010804025626.23476.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: CJ To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] *BSP* New Andrei Morant EP on Resource! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70303-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 03:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90573 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 03:12:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90505 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 03:12:43 -0000 Message-ID: <017601c12925$56e10200$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "Dan" , References: <002801c11c7f$8cb6d060$7c9c0041@plstn1.sfba.home.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:08:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - leather spikes well if you could get plain metal ones, then you could take them to a metal shop or plating shop and get them anodized in all sorts of colors, or chromed. . . telegraph in berzerkely has all the street vendors who sell spiked collars and whatnot, and so do like anapurna's n zebra n places like that. . . if you find a really sick BDSM co. that sells lots of leather and spikes. . .definately let me know. . . : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70304-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 03:15:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93483 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 03:15:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93468 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 03:15:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:11:30 -0700 From: Erik W Gilling To: veronica la rosa Cc: baronvonvarady@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010803201130.A11917@konkers.net> Reply-To: Erik W Gilling References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from souperfly@hotmail.com on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:20:08PM +0000 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] worthless promoting... wanna find out who?? On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:20:08PM +0000, veronica la rosa wrote: > try and convince you). So now I have six huge fliers to parties that I'm > never going to go to. waaaaaaaaste. I just use them to wallpaper my office at work. -Erik --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70305-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 03:26:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96960 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 03:26:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96943 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 03:26:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:21:34 -0700 From: Erik W Gilling To: ".aryck." Cc: Dan , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010803202134.B11917@konkers.net> Reply-To: Erik W Gilling References: <002801c11c7f$8cb6d060$7c9c0041@plstn1.sfba.home.com> <017601c12925$56e10200$1ee5fea9@simmee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <017601c12925$56e10200$1ee5fea9@simmee>; from aK@GrooveFactoryPro.com on Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 08:08:08PM -0700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - leather spikes On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 08:08:08PM -0700, .aryck. wrote: > if you find a really sick BDSM co. that sells lots of leather and > spikes. . .definately let me know. . . Mr. S's Leather and Fetters on 7th near Folsom in SF seemed pretty badass. -Erik --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70306-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 03:53:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7674 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 03:53:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7658 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 03:53:25 -0000 Message-ID: <01a901c1292b$055e8e60$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "innocentchild" , "Geri Dahl" , References: <20010803180206.93761.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:48:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] safety issues for women...nrr If I had a close friend who was raped, and it wasn't too long ago for me to do something about it. . . I would fuckin torture that lil fucker (or fuckers), literally rip them to pieces (penises first). . . tear parts of them off, and eventually just get around to removing things like their hearts, etc (hopefully they'll still be alive enough to feel it). . . I always wanted to eat someones heart. . . kind of punishment/reward. . . : ) kinda sick yeah, but. . .I think it'd be lots of fun. . . For gilries though, too many are too trusting. . . . Some are like "I'll be ok", and some think they're so smart and strong that they'll be perfectly safe by themselves alone trqvelling far away or in especially dark parts of town. . . Seriously. . . I'm a decent sized guy. . . People dont' ever really fuck with me. There are lots of big strong crazy people out there. . . and do you think some 105lb cute girly would have any chance in stopping a 200lb maniac ? (someone else, not me, I'm nice) Sooooooooooo many guys are way 2 faced. . . totally. . . my best friends have usually been girlies, so of course I'm totally on their side. . . but the way some guys talk when they're with other guys. . .and then the girl they were JUST talking about walks in, and they're all nice n sweet, n cute. . . then like every chance the guy gets (even if he totaly denies any interest in you) he's trying to touch you, or see you, or trying to do something to relieve their sexual tension from you (that you didn't know about because you believe him). . . mmmm. . . I really don't like guys. . . I like gay men and girlies, more girlies than gay men, becauser men will always have their instincts, and women will always have theirs, no matter what they say or do. . . everything leads up to something (so they hope).. . . Any girls ever have liike really close guy friends, who eventualy just tried to get in your pants, even though everyone was so adament about "just being friends" ? Shit, I've been like that one time or another, but it was mutual pretty much. I've had close friends that were girls who I did play with, and some I loved absolutely to death, but never really made much of an advancement, because I cared about them so much I didn't want to ever hurt anything. . . most people attack me first though. . . yeah. .. umm. . .and. . . Not all guys ultimately have sexual intentions. . .but the ones who don't, usually don't because they don't "want to", and they have to make some effort to not want that. I would say that with the average girlie, friends and relationships come naturally, and sex is more of something thay have to put effort into. . . for lots of males, like mass procreation is more of a natural instinct, and the feeling of settling down and being only with one person is more of an effort. . . (do you know what I mena) gotta watch yourself. . . even lots of girlies are doggs too though. . . but I like saying "NO". . . when you say no to a guy, it could like hurt them emotionally, or piss them off, and that's not usually the best idea (I guess so that's why so many girls have sex, when they would rather have not). soooo. . . Ok, I don't know where I was going here. . .ummm. . . Just be aware of situations liek that. . . like if a friend invited you to come "have a couple of drinks" or asked you if you wanted to go like chill in a hottub or something like that. . . some people are so naive. . . really though. . .they think they're not. . .but they obviously don't know everything. . . naive isn't bad, it's just not knowing really. . . the next time you aren't as naive as the last. . . This worlds a fun place to play with sometimes. . . I dont ever take advantage of people (qute the contrary actually), but I don't really ever have any problem getting whoever to believe whatever I say, unless I purposely make it obvious. . . : ) yepp aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70307-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 04:38:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31560 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 04:38:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31543 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 04:38:01 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:38:18 -0700 From: Dan Carr To: sfraves , f8 , bay area happycore , sac raves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP ** FREE PARTY TONITE *** looking for something to do? well we've got a party for you! we've got a totally free super vibe party, totally thrown together at the last minute for the ultra underground feel! we've got some funky fresh djs for you to rock out to! get ready for: Happy Kid Marty Tamim Kid Cosmo Dr Smile Kipp DJ 2QT call 925.695.2021 ext 8845 for directions! this party is going to be totally free, all you need to bring is a high vibe! can't wait to see you guys! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70308-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 06:23:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62367 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 06:23:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62357 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 06:23:31 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 23:23:13 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c11c9b$f0bf1dd0$8d3385d1@koala> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Rip a CD, Blow Your Speakers Hello, what will big brother think of next? Another chapter in the digital rights management cat and mouse game: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/20809.html CD anti-piracy system can nuke hi-fi kit By Tony Smith Sony's Music Entertainment division has been testing an anti-piracy technology that at best renders illegally copied CDs unlistenable and at worse blows listeners' speakers. The anti-piracy system, called Cactus Data Shield, was developed by Israeli technology company Midbar Tech. Research conducted by New Scientist magazine and reported in this week's issue shows how Cactus works. Like Macrovision's SafeAudio, Cactus adds noise to the music data stored on the CD. Unlike SafeAudio, Cactus flags the noise as control information. On playback, this is ignored, but on duplication - even with consumer CD-to-CD systems, which are not disabled by SafeAudio - the noise disrupts the copier's error correction system. The result: a CD-R full of noise, not music. Worse, the generated waveform is of kind to which hi-fi and loudspeaker circuitry is particularly sensitive. Play the noise-filled disc back at too high a volume and - bang - your speakers are toast. Frighteningly, the ability to damage equipment can be effectively switched on or off by the CD mastering company by changing the characteristics of the noise and thus the soundwave generated by players' error correction systems. Sony's Cactus tests, carried out, claims New Scientist, in Slovakia and the Czech Republic were not set to nuke hi-fi equipment, but they easily could have been it seems. It will make an interesting test case when a punter sues Sony for blowing up their loudspeakers after playing an allegedly pirate CD, particularly if the music industry and consumer electronics companies haven't issued warnings that pirate CDs can seriously damage your equipment. Midbar's technique, like Macrovision's SafeAudio, also plays fast and loose with listeners' rights to make copies of discs for their own personal use. Both companies claim the inserted noise does not affect the listening experience. Related Story Anti-rip CD system bypassed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70309-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 10:01:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40522 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 10:01:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40508 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 10:01:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.226.120] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, starkand_e@yahoo.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:00:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2001 10:00:55.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A53C4F0:01C11CCC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] From the PLUR Avenger Wow! That was incredible...I'd rate it as one of the most powerful things I've ever read. Thank you for posting that...I will now enjoy Hotel Trance 4 even more because of it. RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "No matter what stage a person is at in life, one thing must remain constant in order to achieve and retain happiness:HAVING FUN!" >From: Jamie Murray >To: djd list , Orphan List , sf >raves , F 8 >Subject: [sfraves] From the PLUR Avenger >Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT) > >Set in a scene that started back in 1992, >New York exploded with its first rave >This is the setting where Frankie Bones gave his >legendary speech... >A concept we all know as PLUR >The values of peace, love, unity and respect... > >This was to be a big part of the rave scene >Years later, the scene has changed... >People dont believe in PLUR anymore >Why? >Is it so impossible to achieve? >Its such a simple idea >People make it more complex than it is > >They say PLUR is dead >It all adds up >The people that say its dead, make it die >If no one said PLUR was dead, It wouldn't be >and those values would still burn strong in every >single raver everywhere > >But thats not the case anymore >So many jaded and disturbed ravers... >How can it possibly exist when people go around >yelling "Fuck PLUR!" >It can >Inside the people who believe in it >Those people can make it live on >as I do > >Now people believing in PLUR are associated with being >druggies and e-tards >I, for one am not an e-tard >and neither are a lot of other PLUR believers >I go for one reason... >The music > >Nowadays, people are entering the scene not knowing >anything about it >They come for the drugs, >giving our scene a bad reputation > >With the negative comes false identities... >Why be afraid to display who you really are? >Are you a kandy kid? >Wear your kandy with pride! >Are you a junglist? >Bounce all over the floor and have the time of your >life! >Are you hardcore? >Jump in that hardcore pit and OWN IT! >Are you a glowstick ninja? >Get in that circle and prove it! >Are you a raver? >Rave til dawn! >Dont let anyone pull you down! >Be yourself! > >Why be scared to display who you are? >Some people get all decked out >Some people have very odd dancing styles >So what! >If youre one of those people, >LET IT ALL OUT! > >Without PLUR, a scene gradually dies >The idea that PLUR is dead is false >When you get on the floor and dance like theres no >tomorrow... >When you're by your friends and never want to leave >them... >When you smile... >When you hug someone... >Thats all part of PLUR > >PLUR isnt dead >Its as dead as you make it >The more you think its dead, >The more likely it will be dead > >I cant find one person who is completely negative >Not one person who doesnt smile >So PLUR has to exist >and it does >Maybe not in some people... >but the people who are real to the scene realize it > >There might not be PLUR in the outside world >but there is on the inside of a venue when we all get >together to dance as one > >Why fight at a rave? >Going around spewing negative comments wont get you >anything >Itll make people hate you >Why would you want to be hated? > >And for the jaded ravers... >Why do you rave if it doesnt excite you anymore? >That doesnt make sense... > >Fighting at a rave... >What an oxymoron... >A place that supposed to promote good vibes and >harmony... >Taken on by disconcern and shadiness... >How sad > >Who did you come to see tonight? >Dont you want to dance your ass of too that DJ? >Why not do that instead of fight >Thats what I do... > >Doesnt dancing bring you happiness? >So do it! >Get in the dance circle and tear it up! >Own it! >Dont let it own you! > >Just like the scene... >Stop being so shady and see what its there for >The reason we rave is for just one night to lock >ourselves out of the outside >world >Dont let the issues of the outside world affect us on >the inside >We are one >One massive of ravers from all over the world > >Lets show the world who we are >Lets show the world what we do >Lets find that one venue on a weekend that will let >the party go on >They cant shut us down! >Until the music stops, we will rave on forever > >In our hearts lives the music... >The music of a heartbeat >In our minds lives that brilliant techno beat... >That beat that wont leave us alone >The beat that goes through our heads at work... >at school... >and everywhere we go... >The music can never stop > >Thats all we need... >The music will keep us together... >if you allow it to... > >e PLURibus unum > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70310-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 17:53:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68787 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 17:53:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68777 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 17:53:37 -0000 From: DeezzerRec@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:53:06 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_db.1859303e.289d9082_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New Record From REFLECTOR! bsp --part1_db.1859303e.289d9082_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit okay by now i've busted mah ass getting these "In Your Eyes" white label promos to the following stores: F8 Skills Harmonics Solid Grooves Rhythm Records Spundae Please help the record get recognition it's a great song i listened to it again this morning - it's so refreshing. i'm thinkin maybe it's a bit tooo expressive...some say it's a lost madonna - william orbit produced track. give it a try i think you might enjoy it. I am Reflector Deezzer Records www.deezzer.com --part1_db.1859303e.289d9082_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70311-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 18:31:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84544 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 18:31:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84534 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 18:31:24 -0000 Message-ID: <3B6C3F22.53471CEF@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:29:54 -0700 From: nima X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] interested in depeche mode tix for tonite anyone have DM tickets for tonite that they would be willing to part with? preferably lower level... nima --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70312-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 19:50:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18988 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 19:50:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18964 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 19:50:42 -0000 From: "Ranger" To: , Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:50:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Perry Farrell: A DJ Changed His Life Another show at my only boycott! Damn you Release! DJ PERETZ (aka PERRY FERREL) @ RELEASE 8/4 1015 Folsom -----Original Message----- From: Apollo [mailto:apollo@speakeasy.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:32 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Perry Farrell: A DJ Changed His Life A DJ CHANGED HIS LIFE By MARY HUHN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- July 29, 2001 -- Five years ago, Perry Farrell - the man who helped create an alt-rock nation with his Jane's Addiction and Lollapalooza festival - went underground. He immersed himself in the Los Angeles DJ scene, and it changed the way he thought about music. "I was so overwhelmed by what the sounds were that they were putting out," he recalls. "It wasn't traditional sounds made with traditional instruments. It was mind-blowing, the subsonics and the filtering that was being done - especially to drums. So I wanted to know how they got the sounds. Because I was a musician - I couldn't help it." Farrell submitted himself to electronica shock therapy, giving himself a course in all the ins and outs of electronic music production and building his record collection. His new album, "Song Yet to Be Sung" (in stores Tuesday) - his first solo effort and first album with new material in five years - reflects Farrell's newfound love, mixing electronica with his trademark world and alt-rock flavors. Even though he used a computer to compose the songs, he didn't forsake his rock roots - he also used traditional instruments like guitars and drums. "That's why this record, although it's electronic, is nice and warm and earthy," he says. "It's grounded, because a lot of the drums are natural drums. There's high-hat symbols, real guitars and then there's keyboards, too ... and bass. But there's also subsonic bass. They work good together." The album includes appearances by guitarist Dave Navarro and drummer Stephen Per-kins, both from Jane's Addiction, and bassist Martyn Le Noble from Porno for Pyros, Farrell's post-Jane's Addiction band. Perry put his stamp on the alt-rock world with Jane's Addiction. The group recorded two breakthrough albums, "Nothing's Shocking" and "Ritual De Lo Habitual." In 1991, Farrell founded Lollapalooza, a traveling rock festival known for its unusual mix of headliners - a typical event might include rap, rock and metal acts. Lollapalooza was the inspiration for today's Ozzfests, H.O.R.D.E. and Warped tours. That same year, Jane's Addiction broke up. But Farrell played on, forming Porno for Pyros, whose sound was similar to that of Jane's Addiction. (The band split up in 1997.) That split marked a turning point for Farrell. He began to explore deejaying and electronica. Since spending time in the L.A. DJ scene, Farrell has become a spinner himself - earlier this year he deejayed for a Purim celebration at Manhattan's Makor. And he starts each morning at the turntables at his Venice Beach, Calif., home, spinning records for his own enjoyment. Today, he was cueing up Sade. Once Farrell starts chatting about deejaying, there's no stopping him. "In a set, you'd find this kind of deep house, and then you mix that with tech house and musical breaks and try to slide in some lush drum and bass. Down tempo is a beautiful thing," he explains, enthusiastically using DJ jargon. "It goes all over the board. I will put on a song from, say, a score from a Fellini movie and listen to it and appreciate it as much as Matthew Herbert, a great young electronic composer." Phew. Given the chance, Farrell would talk about dejaying all day. After 20 minutes of hearing him gush about the process, one could either get totally turned off or inspired, and go and buy a couple of turntables. Farrell has also rediscovered his spiritual side. The 42-year-old star, born Simon Bernstein in New York, returned to Judaism five years ago. Farrell also had a son with then-girlfriend Christine Nagle (the boy is now 3), and took up meditation and yoga. He's even reunited for a tour this year, which will hit Manhattan in October. (Farrell plans to deejay before the gigs.) Backstage, Farrell's demands are few: a juicer and a fine bottle of wine - something over $100. "Because you can't lose with a bottle of wine that's over $100," explains Farrell. "Those are the only things I'd be sad if I didn't get. But I wouldn't complain." He seems content, living the hippie/DJ life in Southern California. While he may be obsessed with music, he does mix up the day a bit with runs along the Pacific Ocean, reading and playing with his son. He also surfs when the waves are good. "It hasn't been good" lately, he says. But Farrell doesn't complain. Instead, he turns back to Sade and drops the needle on the record. "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70313-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 21:28:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60037 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 21:28:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60027 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 21:28:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010804212815.10172.qmail@web5305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Roy...E...Z" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] up&coming Psy-trance dj sending the word out Hey all I just put a New Psy-trance Promo tape need publicity. Any promoters interested in a demo tape please email me back at djmariano@yahoo.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL ADDRESS, AS IT IS NOT MINE. Please If you are person interested in a tape please email me & send me $3 (shipping) for the tape. Thanks, Mariano __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70314-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 21:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70091 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 21:45:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70080 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 21:45:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010804214517.81461.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] s.f. ballet free tomorrow! :) nrr don't forget...the s.f. ballet will be performing excerpts from several different ballets tomorrow at 2pm at stern grove in san francisco....admission is free, but it will be very crowded, so get there early...i hear it's been foggy as all heck too, so bring a jacket. have fun! :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70315-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 23:16:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11369 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 23:16:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11358 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 23:16:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.164.135.38] From: "scooter ." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 16:15:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2001 23:15:10.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F09E8D0:01C11D3B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4 Roll Call Hey peeps!! How is everybody doin? Just wonderin who all is goin tonight. My friend bailed on me and I got an extra ticket if anybody is interested in goin. Tic is $20. Also if anybody needs a ride or wants to carpool, I would rather not ride to the party by myself. Look for the red willy wonka dealer, and if ya want say whats up and chill with me for a while (will be lonely being there by myself *sniffle*. Hope to meet lots of people tonight *smile*. Later all see ya tonight. Much Love scooter aka jason _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70316-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 23:21:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17683 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 23:21:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17673 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 23:21:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.201.91.48] From: "under the radar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 16:20:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2001 23:20:19.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[07027790:01C11D3C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] sf>taylor_deupree>8/9 :::UNDER THE RADAR PRESENTS::: Thursday, Aug. 9th 26 Mix - 3024 mission street san francisco, ca 94117 $5, 21+ LIVE PERFORMANCES ::Taylor Deupree:: Founder of the 12k label, Taylor's mission has been to push the boundaries of minimal sound art. He has released numerous projects on Caipirinha Music, Instinct, and Mille Plateax, to name a few. His past projects include the techno and ambient sounds of Prototype 909, SETI, Human Mesh Dance, and Futique. This will be Taylor's first bay area performance in 4 years. ::Chris Willits:: Christopher Willits focuses on music that emerges from software instrumentation that he designs and improvises with.  His interests lie in the aesthetic and social significance of dynamic, self organizing systems within the context and processes of art making. Christopher's work has been shown nationally and internationally, most recently in; Hard|Soft|Wet: Artificial Life event in Sydney, Australia, Unbroken View/Translation a 5.1 immersive environment traveling in the East coast this fall, and in numerous live performances throughout the Midwest and the San Francisco Bay area -where he currently lives.  Christopher has self released works through the collaborative space of www.visuallistening.com and is currently working on a full-length effort with Fallt (Ireland).  He is also a graduate student of electronic music at Mills College. DJ PERFORMANCES ::Evan Rose:: ::Zygote:: More information at : http://www.12k.com | http://www.visuallistening.com | http://www.undertheradar.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70317-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 23:41:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26569 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 23:41:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26551 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 23:41:26 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Buzz" To: "scooter ." , Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:39:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4 Roll Call I'm rolling to this party too...look for the white guy with curly hair again! I'll be wearing a shirt that says "God is My DJ" and taking pictures for www.ravepictures.net Say hey! - Buzz -----Original Message----- From: scooter . [mailto:scooter_jt@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 4:15 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4 Roll Call Hey peeps!! How is everybody doin? Just wonderin who all is goin tonight. My friend bailed on me and I got an extra ticket if anybody is interested in goin. Tic is $20. Also if anybody needs a ride or wants to carpool, I would rather not ride to the party by myself. Look for the red willy wonka dealer, and if ya want say whats up and chill with me for a while (will be lonely being there by myself *sniffle*. Hope to meet lots of people tonight *smile*. Later all see ya tonight. Much Love scooter aka jason _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70318-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 04 23:57:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35394 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Aug 2001 23:57:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35384 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 23:57:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010804235657.55981.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:56:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: "scooter ." , sf raves Cc: Dj Marr , ravin_riz@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4 Roll Call O.k. Jason I will be there for a little bit, going to another party tonight too. I will be the girl in white. all white. so look for me. the name is Jamie. My sun tattoo on my back should give me away. Yes J Marr im goin it the outfit i wore to Serenity so i should be easy to find. BTW is your spot still the same would hate to miss it. And I am expecting to see the Hokey Pokey done some time tonight while i am there. k. Riz. take care all Jamie Star --- "scooter ." wrote: > Hey peeps!! How is everybody doin? Just wonderin > who all is goin tonight. > My friend bailed on me and I got an extra ticket if > anybody is interested in > goin. Tic is $20. Also if anybody needs a ride or > wants to carpool, I > would rather not ride to the party by myself. Look > for the red willy wonka > dealer, and if ya want say whats up and chill with > me for a while (will be > lonely being there by myself *sniffle*. Hope to meet > lots of people tonight > *smile*. Later all see ya tonight. > > Much Love > scooter aka jason > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70319-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 00:19:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42563 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 00:19:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42553 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 00:19:02 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:30:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] COME-UNITY: RELENTLESS BEATS Thanks to all of you who joined the Come-Unity family last night for another evening of tribal dancing, sweat, good vibes and relentless beats. The house music upstairs was really ass-moving stuff, and it just got better and better as the evening progressed. Phil Smart's set was absolutely breathtaking. I mean, one had to be in top physical condition to keep up with those wildly wonderful driving rhythms. Downstairs it was the same. Eclectic and funky beats. Jungle, world beats, instrumentals, and more energizing music as the evening drew to an end. There was, for me, no inducement to chill here. Even on the outside deck, taking a smoke break, I couldn't stop dancing. Dancing. One really doesn't know someone completely until one dances with them. This list creates lots of wonderful, virtual relationships but you never really get to feel someone's soul until you see them on the floor. Take Don Brannon. Don is to me one of the most intelligent, articulate and valuable members on sfraves. I've learned much communicating with him. But I often think: do these people I know intellectually really dance? I saw Don dancing at the Wicked FMR, but that was in the sand -- a somewhat challenging and limiting medium -- and I didn't really get to see his moves. Last night I finally got to dance with Don, and I can tell you he is one hell of a passionate, energetic, amazing dancer. Props to you, Don. I really respect someone with your love of the beats. Dancing is in your heart and soul. Then Leslie Ayres out there on the floor moving to the house beats. Here is a woman who not only fights for our right to dance, but dances hella' fine. Then there was the Asian guy I danced with for some time last night. I don't know if he is on the list (if you are, say hi), but he had a Shaolin/Technics hat like mine and dancing with him made my own experience so much better. I mean, we were all in synch on that corner of the floor for quite a few blissful moments. Some of you I heard were coming, but we didn't connect. The CU dancefloors are pretty packed these days, for good reason, so it's not easy to find everyone. But I hope you all had the same extraordinary Come-Unity experience I did last night. I'm going to be spinning some Afro-tribal house at a little full moon party tonight. Lookin' forward to it. Hope everyone finds a happy dance floor for tonight's full moon. Much love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70320-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 00:30:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48376 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 00:30:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48350 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 00:30:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.11.139.206] From: "M Le" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 17:29:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2001 00:29:48.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB9493B0:01C11D45] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 3 fnf tix SOLD! -->Like the subject says, the tickets are SOLD... thanks for the inquiries kids. Gotta dance now. ciao, M&m _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70321-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 02:11:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77406 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 02:11:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77396 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 02:11:39 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010804191249.0090bc00@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: calavan@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 19:12:49 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: melissa calavan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] cyberfest tickets anyone want 2 discounted tickets to cyberfest? please reply to me directly, I'm not on this mailing list. -melissa --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70322-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 02:16:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79920 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 02:16:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79910 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 02:16:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010805021609.66528.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:16:09 -0700 (PDT) From: EvilEyE To: "scooter ." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4 Roll Call sup guys, i will be there too!!! i cant wait, i havent been to a party in a while cause of some shit....but its good to be back. Ill be wearing black pants and a black ESDJ shirt...if u see me, dont be a stranger, come say whats up!! P~L~U~R -Evileye- --- "scooter ." wrote: > Hey peeps!! How is everybody doin? Just wonderin > who all is goin tonight. > My friend bailed on me and I got an extra ticket if > anybody is interested in > goin. Tic is $20. Also if anybody needs a ride or > wants to carpool, I > would rather not ride to the party by myself. Look > for the red willy wonka > dealer, and if ya want say whats up and chill with > me for a while (will be > lonely being there by myself *sniffle*. Hope to meet > lots of people tonight > *smile*. Later all see ya tonight. > > Much Love > scooter aka jason > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70323-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 02:41:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89793 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 02:41:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89783 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 02:41:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.6.101] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 02:40:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2001 02:40:05.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF615C20:01C11D57] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4 Roll Call I'll be there wearing black pants with a whit/grey stripe down each side and my trademarked RAVIN RIZ t-shirt with my 'R' superman-type logo on it. RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "No matter what stage a person is at in life, one thing must remain constant in order to achieve and retain happiness:HAVING FUN!" >From: EvilEyE >To: "scooter ." , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4 Roll Call >Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:16:09 -0700 (PDT) > >sup guys, i will be there too!!! i cant wait, i havent >been to a party in a while cause of some shit....but >its good to be back. Ill be wearing black pants and a >black ESDJ shirt...if u see me, dont be a stranger, >come say whats up!! >P~L~U~R >-Evileye- > >--- "scooter ." wrote: > > Hey peeps!! How is everybody doin? Just wonderin > > who all is goin tonight. > > My friend bailed on me and I got an extra ticket if > > anybody is interested in > > goin. Tic is $20. Also if anybody needs a ride or > > wants to carpool, I > > would rather not ride to the party by myself. Look > > for the red willy wonka > > dealer, and if ya want say whats up and chill with > > me for a while (will be > > lonely being there by myself *sniffle*. Hope to meet > > lots of people tonight > > *smile*. Later all see ya tonight. > > > > Much Love > > scooter aka jason > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70324-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 04:10:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13321 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 04:10:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13310 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 04:10:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.164.135.38] From: "scooter ." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 21:09:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2001 04:09:24.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[69A5C050:01C11D64] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Last CHance Hotel Trance 4 Last chance people I got a long drive ahead. Anybody need a ride?? Promise I dont bite. hehehe if not will see everybody there (I hope) hehehe. Much Love scooter aka jason _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70325-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 04:18:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16292 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 04:18:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16280 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 04:18:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 21:22:07 -0700 From: Jacob - SFDance To: Sfdnb , Sfraves , SF Techno group Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] aranji17 Pics from Aranji are up! http://www.sfdance.org/images/aranji17.jpg -Jacob www.sfdance.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70326-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 07:04:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49262 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 07:04:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49122 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 07:04:43 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c11d7d$ac6b1160$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , , , Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:04:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C11D42.2F2E6020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ATTENTION - St. Louis Update ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C11D42.2F2E6020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have just been informed something major has gone down in the St Louis = Area as we speak. (Saturday August 4, 2001 11:44 pm PST) More info will follow as soon as I recieve it. For more specific info as I recieve it (in order not to constantly spam = the list with small updates) please email me at bryan@dancesafe.org Bryan Oley DanceSafe National ~Education is The Key~ ~Promoting Health and Safety in the Rave and Nightclub Community.~ bryan@dancesafe.org (916) 224-6170 Cell If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a = wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to = inform their discretion by education" - Thomas Jefferson=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C11D42.2F2E6020-- From sfraves-return-70327-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 07:22:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53889 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 07:22:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53879 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 07:22:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20010805072137.58025.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:21:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Come Unity, LA and sleepless nights (Review) What a week! Was in L.A. doing the whole Magic Mountain gig Thursday, and drove back at midnight. Had to drop off a friend in Santa Cruz, and didn't get back to ol' Fremont until 6am Friday. After a few hours sleep, had things to do, and before I knew it, it was Come Unity time! Got a bit of a late start, and arrived about 12. Music was kickin' in all areas, but as usual I was drawn to the House music upstairs! I never know who is spinning when, but whoever it was, he was tearing it up with phat phat beats! Too bad I was too blazed in the beginning to move - a rarity for me to be sure. After a little exploration and a lot of coming down, I was able to start groovin'. When I got too warm in the upstairs room, I ventured to the outside, and was treated to the sounds of a live PA. I'm sure everyone else knows who it was. They did an amazing set, and after that there was no turning back. Press on with House until 4 and 30! Met Don Brannon - hello! Ran into Apollo as expected. :) As usual, what would a party be without Doug Fraser? As an interesting side note, I brought a friend who usually goes to clubs such as NV, and who likes hip hop more than house. He had an amazing time, and thanked me endlessly for taking him. Come Unity seems to have won another convert. Dreg's Come Unity #2: Total success. Now if I can only get back to sleeping at a decent hour... my body seems to think that sleep time isn't until at least 5 am now... damn. Take care all, -Dreg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70328-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 07:42:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61880 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 07:42:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61869 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 07:42:25 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <045301c11d81$9b0d2080$0500000a@cryptowhore.org> From: "Scott Solmonson" To: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:38:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Look my house band is on KZSU Yah- so the fools that keep my houseguests up late are actually on the radio in a few minutes- So studiocam is here: http://studio.stanford.edu/ Listen to em here: http://kzsulive.stanford.edu/index.html -- "faux dork" AIM: IMFDUP SMS: four-oh-eight7186290@mobile.att.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70329-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 08:00:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65591 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 08:00:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65581 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 08:00:15 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010805010334.00869890@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: fraser_douglas@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 01:03:34 -0700 To: Dregaron Starlighter ,sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Doug Fraser In-Reply-To: <20010805072137.58025.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Come Unity, LA and sleepless nights (Review) At 12:21 AM 08/05/2001 -0700, Dregaron Starlighter wrote: >Met Don Brannon - hello! Ran into Apollo as expected. >:) As usual, what would a party be without Doug >Fraser? well, that should do wonders for my rep... :) Party animal me missed that noon day party Dreg told me about (I slept till 1ish, woke up, took a shower, crashed for "a bit" - strong, strong dreams... and then it was magically 5 o'clock So much for today's plans... I go out on my deck and @#$@#$ - this chair I had out there had blown/fell over and squashed some Salvia plants. I was rather unhappy about that and kept apologizing to the plants... (anyone want some cuttings?) As I have no food, I go to the store and get a reuben sandwich for dinner - it was the worst reuben I'd ever had. onions just don't work on a reuben So for some strange reason, I decided to see what "they" do on saturday nights - been listening to techno way too much and hanging out w/ ravers/the rave scene too much, so I decide to go down to Polly Esther's - haven't heard any top 80s in sooooooo loooonnnggg so i shlep into the city, brave all the bridge traffic, wait, wait, and more waiting, drive, drive, and more drive trying to find a parking space ($10 for a garage - I don't think so), find one, start to get out of the car and.... realize I don't have my driver's license b/c I left in the pants BACK HOME that I was wearing on Fri night it's alreay near midnight, so fuck it.... now I'm home and this kava brew I mixed up (lots of chocolate and lots of sugar) still tastes like dirt - think chocolate flavored dirt with lots of roughage (should have filtered it) it's been a really frustrating day Doug _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70330-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 11:23:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19795 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 11:23:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19785 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 11:23:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.218.73.98] From: "His Highness" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 11:22:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2001 11:22:34.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECA0D260:01C11DA0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Sundance Picnic today!!!! Update: Billy Lane and Dj Pat's appearance has be postponed due to scheduling conflicts. However the very talented Dj Frost (Black-locust) founder of the excellent weekly Foundation will take tehe helm along with Dj Cantos (Schedule 1) See ya there http://www.liquidcafe.com/events.html -- Emperor "It is one of life's mysteries how an ounce of understanding, cleanses an ocean of mistrust and hate" (The Outer Limits) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70331-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 14:40:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64623 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 14:40:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64605 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 14:40:25 -0000 Message-ID: <006f01c11dbc$dca14c20$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: "Bryan Oley" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 07:42:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C11D82.224FE5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] FYI: St Louis Update 6:30 am PST ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C11D82.224FE5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable **NOTE** For some of you recieving this it is an update on earlier = emails. For some this is a general FYI. If you have any questions, = please feel free to respond to me at bryan@dancesafe.org or you may = contact AJ directly at ajcook@dancesafe.org =20 Also, this information is based on talks I have had with AJ, and an eye = witness at the event itself. As such, this is raw info, and furthur = clarification will be given as circumstances permit. Thanks, Bryan ____________________ First a bit of background. For those who havent paid attention to this subject lately, On Saturday, July 14th, a rave party was raided in Potosi, Missouri. = This event was to benefit St. Louis DanceSafe and Big Brothers and Big = Sisters of America. At approximately 8:45pm, at least 20 or 30 police cars, two fire trucks, = two ambulances, a paddy wagon, a prison bus, five K-9 units, and a = helicopter converged on the party. Over one hundred and fifty individuals were = rounded up, and detained against their will for about two and a half hours. = Their vehicles, tents and person (pockets, shoes, hair) were searched without consent. They were informed that if they refused searches they would be arrested. Minors were questioned without a legal guardian present. Two puppies were maced when curiosity brought them too close to the K-9 = Units. This event occurred the night after another rave at the same venue. The affidavits from the undercover officers present the first night cited massive drug activity, including cocaine, methamphetamine, and syringes. There were "kids using every kind of drug you can imagine," said = Washington County Sheriff Gary Yount. The warrant also mentioned "rumors" that the = $2 bottled water contained ecstasy. This blatantly embellished data, along = with a falsified claim that the property owner had registered a complaint = against the event, was the basis for a fraudulent warrant to raid the event and confiscate the supposed drugs and drug paraphernalia. The results of this massive illegal search were three misdemeanor drug charges, and a warrant served for a traffic offense. The sheriff = commented, "we didn't find too much," and "I swear there were drugs there the night before". The ACLU took an active interest in this debacle, as have police abuse watchdog groups. At this time, statements, photos and video are being collected from attendees. The local rave community, which numbers in the thousands, has mobilized over this event. ****** Since Then: A injunction request was sought by the State of Missouri to ban "Rave Festivals" north of the City of Bonne Terre, MO. The arguement has been made by local venue owners and promoters that a = festival, under Missouri law is stated as 5,000 people or more, and the injunction was worded as to specifly target local small scale events. Also, the injunction was listed in such broad terms that the police had the power = and rights to shut down or accost any persons trying to attend such events, without warrants.(see below) The specific amount of people nor any = details were ever given on the injunction as to what constituted a "Rave Festival". For = all intensive purposes, ANY event labled as a "Rave Festival" could be shut down. (This included clubs, etc) Case in point: =20 Soon before this injunction was enacted, on the weekend of May 12th, in which a permitted, sheduled event was to be held; the police closed = the offramp from a major freeway leading to an event and rerouted all people heading to it to a "Safety Checkpoint." At this checkpoint cars = identified as heading to this particular event were detained. The cars and = occupants were then searched, without a warrant or specified Probable Cause other = than the fact they were attending this "Rave Festival". They then were given wrong directions on how to get back to the venue from the location of = the "Safety Checkpoint", causing the event to fail because of lack of attendance. This is what would be allowed legaly should this Permanent Injunction = stay on the books. An appeal was made against the ruling. Since then the case was taken up into the St. Francois County Circuit = Court to be presided over by a Judge Platt. The case was then reffered to the Supreme Court = of Missouri. Senior Judge William Rader who was chosen to preside over the = case,=20 was brought out of retirement to oversee proceedings. The case was = presented to the court,=20 and the ruling was made to keep the injunction intact. After the trial, = it was discovered that the=20 judge had not taken his "Oath of Office". By law, any judge, within 30 = days after accepting a case in which they will preside over, must take the oaths of office. If they = do not complete this, then they=20 are unlawfully presiding over a case. An appeal to the Judgement on the case was made. In the latter part of this past week the sherrifs department was = approached by said promoter and asked if they would allow a small fund raising = event to occur, numbering no more than 500 people. The Sherrifs Department = agreed, on audio tape, saying that they could not and would not enter the = property or otherwise=20 interfere with the event because it was being held on private property. = The appropriate=20 steps were taken to assure the party was permitted by the authorities. *************** Current News: Saturday, August 4th, at Approximately 10:00 - 10:30 pm. (MST) Police showed up at the home of a local venue owner, with no warrant, and entered the property. The party in question was being held adjacent to the owners home on land they own (which is run as a campground). This party had been proposed to the local sherrifs = department the day before, and agreed on. The police stated that if they would not turn off the music, then the = venue owners would be arrested and put into prison without bail. At approximately 3:40 am (MST), the police raided the event. They have arrested the venue owners (operators of the campground, who live in the home, etc.). Charges have been made of violating a court ordered injunction by throwing a "Rave Festival", and creating a public nuisance. Bail has been set at $13,300.=20 When asked if the police had search warrants, one answered "We dont need = any search warrants" The rave-goers stayed inside the home of the owners (who have been arrested) at their request, to make sure the police didn't = ransack it.=20 The police (State police and local county police) were threatening to = arrest the ravers if they didn't leave the house. They refused to leave, however, in = solidarity with the owner. Currently AJ Cook, Director of the St. Louis chapter of DanceSafe and = also the new 4th Rights violation defense organization "Rave Defense", is at the location and will provide updates as he can. This is all happening in Bonne Terre, Missouri, outside St. Louis, as we speak 6:30 am our time (PST). As I said before, information will be provided as I get it. If you = would like to keep updated. You can reach AJ at ajcook@dancesafe.org =20 Or mail me at bryan@dancesafe.org Thank You for taking the time to read this. And keep everyone in your prayers, religious/spiritual/or otherwise. Bryan Oley DanceSafe National ~Education is The Key~ ~Promoting Health and Safety in the Rave and Nightclub Community.~ bryan@dancesafe.org (916) 224-6170 Cell If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to = inform their discretion by education" - Thomas Jefferson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Oley" To: ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:04 AM Subject: [sfraves] ATTENTION - St. Louis Update I have just been informed something major has gone down in the St Louis = Area as we speak. (Saturday August 4, 2001 11:44 pm PST) More info will follow as soon as I recieve it. For more specific info as I recieve it (in order not to constantly spam = the list with small updates) please email me at bryan@dancesafe.org Bryan Oley DanceSafe National ~Education is The Key~ ~Promoting Health and Safety in the Rave and Nightclub Community.~ bryan@dancesafe.org (916) 224-6170 Cell If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to = inform their discretion by education" - Thomas Jefferson -B "If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with = a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to = inform their discretion by education" - Thomas Jefferson=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C11D82.224FE5A0-- From sfraves-return-70332-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 19:13:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43792 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 19:13:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43781 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 19:13:14 -0000 From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.e50de39.289ef4b4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:12:52 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? What do you think is missing in our scene? If your an old skooler, what do you miss from "back in the day" that isn't happening now? And whether your from the old skool or new skool vibe, what would you do today to make raving more positive? Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70333-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 19:44:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55071 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 19:44:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55061 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 19:44:09 -0000 From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Message-ID: <18.1060b13f.289efbf3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:43:47 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Any D&B going on tonight? Im being too lazy to search, but is there any D&B going on tonight in the city? IM in need of some good kick ass music because I haven't heard any all week. If so, drop me a mail and there's a good chance I'll go.Thanks! Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70334-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 20:57:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80205 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 20:57:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80195 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 20:57:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:56:36 -0700 Message-Id: <200108052056.NAA13938@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.27.182.42] From: "Stephanie Bitters" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP. COMPRESSION is outta here! 8/5 >.COMPRESSION. > >It's final call for An Sabin. > >DJs helping us say buh bye... > >DA PRESHA - Compound Records - SF > >THA HAVOC - Compression/S.W.A.T.T. > >DJ MAL > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>We at COMPRESSION are pleased to announce our move and anniversary --> >>>August 12th Compression Celebrates it's ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY by moving to >>>THE CELLAR (685 Sutter @ Taylor) {POOL TABLE, BETTER SOUND SYSTEM, BIGGER, >>>LOUDER, CLEANER, PRETTIER,........... SAME PRICES!!!! >> >>>We give you: SHY FX w/ MC SKIBADEE (with HAVOC, IVRY and tha INTALEKT MC's) >> >>>Side room by: Forward-thought, featuring; Dom Some, Enzyme and John-Paul playing breaks & Two Step! >> >>>Free catering by BUTTERFLY restaurant. >> >>> ONLY $5 (10pm - 2am) >> >>We would like to thank all the DJs, MCs, and everyone who has helped us out over the past year. COMPOUND FOOLS, AUDIO ANGEL, PHUNCKATECK/REFLEX, FEMME FATALES, SISTER SF, FREEBEATS, BIMA (PIC SUPPORT), just to name a few. > >>Stephanie > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com >Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com > > >______________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, write to JunglistsUnite-unsubscribe@listbot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70335-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 21:30:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1423 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 21:30:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1413 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 21:30:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20010805213020.2639.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: djd list , sf raves , F 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] N E 1 have imagine pics. I am looking for Imagine Pictures. Specifically ones with the PLUR kids in them. I have been to the main sites, Ravepictures.net, bayarearavers, ravepics.com, and nothing. If any of you can help me out here and e-mail pics or links to sites i would be eternally grateful. Thanks. Jamie Star __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70336-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 22:00:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17248 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 22:00:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17236 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 22:00:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:00:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Charlie To: BodhiInSF@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <8f.e50de39.289ef4b4@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? What's missing in our scene? Thats a big question..in a sense. . there are a lot of things missing. The scene changes along with time. New people come into the scene, they are not educated on how things are. Don B (who's around here somewhere) mentioned the exact same thing. We didn't educate the newbies coming in and they dunno how things are run. The vibe has changed.. the way we act have changed all together. There aren't many old skoolers left. We kinda shot ourselves in the foot because of that. But in order to answer you question... A lot of old friends are no longer there... The vibe has completely changed from the way it used to be... People care more about the drugs now...(but thats always expected)... The free feeling that used to be there...(and isn't anymore).. etc etc.. Bodhi.. I know you know already whats not there anymore... I haven't been around as long as a handful of you still out there.. but if you have been.. you've seen how much the scene has changed. You've seen the ups and downs...I can't say we're at our highest peak..but then again.. this so called mainstream.. lets pray that it doesn't kill us too badly. i'm just waiting for it to pass.. (whenever that will be). Just as long as there is a handful of people there to keep the spirit alive... we'll be fine and prevail. Even if it takes a good many years. - charlie charlie@safemail.com http://www.ravepictures.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70337-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 22:21:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26595 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 22:21:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26582 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 22:21:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8f.e50de39.289ef4b4@aol.com> References: <8f.e50de39.289ef4b4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:16:18 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? nothing. i think the scene has equalized itself from the shunning of house music, which was what created the scene in SF, vs. trance, which started off as mindless ugly music, but has evolved. now all we have to do is get city state and federal governments all on the same page. > What do you think is missing in our scene? If your an old skooler, what do >you miss from "back in the day" that isn't happening now? And whether your >from the old skool or new skool vibe, what would you do today to make raving >more positive? > Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70338-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 22:46:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37294 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 22:46:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37284 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 22:46:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010805224637.73650.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:46:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: BodhiInSF@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <8f.e50de39.289ef4b4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? --- BodhiInSF@aol.com wrote: > What do you think is missing in our scene? REAL bootie. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70339-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 22:49:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38947 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 22:49:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38937 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 22:49:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010805224924.97900.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Myrna Yson To: BodhiInSF@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <18.1060b13f.289efbf3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any D&B going on tonight? ---Does anyone know of anythning going on tonight in the Sacramento area??? I want to party!! BodhiInSF@aol.com wrote: > Im being too lazy to search, but is there any D&B > going on tonight in the > city? IM in need of some good kick ass music because > I haven't heard any all > week. If so, drop me a mail and there's a good > chance I'll go.Thanks! > Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70340-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 22:58:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44425 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 22:58:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44415 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 22:58:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010805225753.67153.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:57:52 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Teks To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say refund?!* Absolutely horrible! one of the worst parties ever! I bought some stupid white sole shoes and looks like they didnt even check! all kinds of people up in there without white sole shoes. Sound system was weak, everyone was playing NRG, which I dont mind some good nrg, it just seemed like everyone was playin it. Of course this was just for the 2hrs I was there before it got busted, I'm sure someone was going to play some trance. It was hotter than a sauna in both rooms and hallways. They actually played rap upstairs!, "me so horny" and other rap songs...(hotel rap 1?!) wtf!? The party of course got busted early inbetween 12:30 and 1:30, or something(I cant remember when exactly). I talked to the cops and they said it was busted strictly for the lack of room to move around in the small hallways, in order to get to any fights, OD's, emergency's etc. Of course this is what the cops said, it's hard to believe anyone these days the real reason something closes down. Though that is a very legit reason, those hallways were absolutely cluttered with people and the ISTYLY Prod. should of known this would happen even with limited capacity. The after party on 680/24 was pretty cool, that got busted after 3, becuase that underground house party number spread like wildfire after hotel trance was a bust! Istyly Produtctions, I want my money back! Teks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70341-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 23:02:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46419 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 23:02:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46409 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 23:02:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010805230216.84111.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:02:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Myrna Yson To: DJ Teks , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010805225753.67153.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say refund?!* Yes, I do agree with you!! Although I was pretty stoked that you guys all came to visit my hometown of TRACY!! hehe, it was pretty exciting, cuz me and my girls just walked down the street! But Istyly Productions...I was disappointed!!! --- DJ Teks wrote: > Absolutely horrible! > one of the worst parties ever! > > I bought some stupid white sole shoes and looks like > they didnt even check! all kinds of people up in > there without white sole shoes. > > Sound system was weak, everyone was playing NRG, > which > I dont mind some good nrg, it just seemed like > everyone was playin it. Of course this was just for > the 2hrs I was there before it got busted, I'm sure > someone was going to play some trance. > > It was hotter than a sauna in both rooms and > hallways. > They actually played rap upstairs!, "me so horny" > and > other rap songs...(hotel rap 1?!) wtf!? > The party of course got busted early inbetween 12:30 > and 1:30, or something(I cant remember when > exactly). > > I talked to the cops and they said it was busted > strictly for the lack of room to move around in the > small hallways, in order to get to any fights, OD's, > emergency's etc. Of course this is what the cops > said, it's hard to believe anyone these days the > real > reason something closes down. Though that is a very > legit reason, those hallways were absolutely > cluttered > with people and the ISTYLY Prod. should of known > this > would happen even with limited capacity. > > The after party on 680/24 was pretty cool, that got > busted after 3, becuase that underground house party > number spread like wildfire after hotel trance was a > bust! > > > Istyly Produtctions, I want my money back! > > > Teks > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70342-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 23:38:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63366 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 23:38:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63356 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 23:38:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.226.192] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:37:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2001 23:37:32.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[991A0C30:01C11E07] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Disturbing Scene Hey yo, Hope everyone had a great weekend doing whatever it is that you did. For those that attended Hotel Trance 4....well, shutdowns happen. It's part of the scene. The shutdown really didn't get to me...once someone calls the police and files a complaint for whatever reason, the fate of the party no longer lies within the hands of the promoter but within the hands of the authorities. Best thing to do is just be cooperative. I know Istyly is gonna get a lot of heat for what happened, but they did their best and you gotta respect them for putting out the effort. I've seen first hand how much work it takes to plan and throw a party...it ain't an easy task. What did get to me was a site that I've been seeing more and more of within the past year. And that's seeing 10, 12, 13 year-olds on one substance or another. Last night really got to me when a small boy who, upon asking, told me he was 11 years old and was rollin with two of his other friends, both ages 12. Upon following the boy over to a corner of the basketball court where his two other friends were seated, one of them was seriously dehydrated and could've passed out had I not gotten him some water. At that age, while the body is still developing, any type of substance abuse could lead to some serious long-term disorders such as brain damage, spinal/nerve damage, etc.. to a much more severe extent since it's at such a young age. I agree with Charlie's email that most of the newbies come into the scene not knowing what it really is about and are not educated about it. Luckily, I had a group of friends that did educate me about the scene as I got into it. So after I got the guys water, I just kinda chilled with them for a while and, like a father lecturing his sons, explained to them exactly what it was that they had taken that night, how it works, the risks involved, the potential short- and long-term side effects, etc... At the end of the talk, they all looked like deer caught in headlights. I had scared them, which is exactly what I wanted to do but at the same time tried to convey to them the concept of PLUR and coming for the music, the people, and the friendships that can be made. Was it effective? It must've been because one of the boys reached into his pocket, took out a pill he was saving for later in the evening, lay it on the ground, and stomped on it. So, from here one, and I hope some of you will do the same, if I see a sight like that, instead of feeling queasy and walking away from it, I'm gonna let the youngens know exactly what they're getting into...cause someone has to. RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "No matter what stage a person is at in life, one thing must remain constant in order to achieve and retain happiness:HAVING FUN!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70343-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 23:39:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64867 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 23:39:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64857 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 23:39:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.202.89.4] From: "DFD.07 o0][0][0o" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:38:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2001 23:38:50.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7AC0B70:01C11E07] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? "Back in the day, people used to go to a rave because it was a "rave", for example, one used to wanna go to Cyberfest because it was "Cyberfest", now the first question asked about a party is "who's gonna be there, who's gonna spin?" For the most part, this shows how much the spirit of the party has fizzled out with raves." This realization came from a friend who's not really involved in the EDM scene but even he recognized the change that has taken place here which is on borderline of depressing. As a whole, we must seek out those vibes again, and hope that they return in full effect, which I think a lot of us are in fact trying to find when we go out to our functions. I know I am, with a 5% success rate but just that much holds my bond to EDM, makes me keep on searching for that unforgettable, unexplainable experience. There's power here folks! Organization, a sense of unification between all of us, is what is missing. (all of us = promoters dj's venue owners newschoolers oldschoolers EVERYONE!) DFD- >What's missing in our scene? > >Thats a big question..in a sense. . there are a lot of things missing. >The scene changes along with time. New people come into the scene, they >are not educated on how things are. Don B (who's around here somewhere) >mentioned the exact same thing. We didn't educate the newbies coming in >and they dunno how things are run. The vibe has changed.. the way we act >have changed all together. There aren't many old skoolers left. We kinda >shot ourselves in the foot because of that. > >But in order to answer you question... >A lot of old friends are no longer there... >The vibe has completely changed from the way it used to be... >People care more about the drugs now...(but thats always expected)... >The free feeling that used to be there...(and isn't anymore).. >etc etc.. > >Bodhi.. I know you know already whats not there anymore... >I haven't been around as long as a handful of you still out there.. but if >you have been.. you've seen how much the scene has changed. You've seen >the ups and downs...I can't say we're at our highest peak..but then >again.. this so called mainstream.. lets pray that it doesn't kill us too >badly. i'm just waiting for it to pass.. (whenever that will be). > >Just as long as there is a handful of people there to keep the spirit >alive... we'll be fine and prevail. Even if it takes a good many years. > >- charlie >charlie@safemail.com >http://www.ravepictures.net > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70344-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 05 23:55:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72203 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Aug 2001 23:55:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72190 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 23:55:48 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.32.154] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 16:55:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2001 23:55:03.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B632E00:01C11E0A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Friday AUG 10! Happy Hardcore/DrumNBass/Hard House-$10!! :BSP For all the lovers of the Harder and Happier Music in Northern California!! Do not miss this one!! ::Begin BSP:: Club Matrix West! Located at 1803 Webster St.-Downtown Oakland Information #: 510.596.8909 9pm-4am FULLY Permitted! http://www.clubmatrixwest.com $10 admission before 10:30 $15 admission after 10:30 18+ with ID please! AUGUST 10th LINEUP: Room One: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/US Hard House **Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 Turntables!** DJ SPREE (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) :2x4: DJ CLOUDSKIPPER (Supernova Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) _If you're a Happy Hardcore/Hardcore fan.. you know these names. You know they are in large part responsible for the huge rise in popularity of Happy Hardcore in the US! Having played widely across North America, these 2 DJs have established themselves as possibly the most popular Happy Hardcore DJs in the US! Do NOT miss this RARE and possibly last chance to see them perform together on 4 turntables! **Sneak Preview-Nu Skool Heroes CD Release Tour on 4 Turntables!** DJ TONY (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los Angeles) :2x4: DJ TRONIC (Resistance Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) _Two of the brightest stars in US Hard House come together this night for a sneak preview of their CD Release Tour of "Nu Skool Heroes"-being released on Menace Records in Mid-August! Pure hard pounding beats and energetic crowd rocking is what to expect here-all on 4 Turntables!! A set not to miss! **One of the Bay Area's Most Respected and Talented Drum and Bass DJs** MEGATRON (MechaSOUL-SF) _Widely known as one of the Bay Area's best, Megatron comes to Club Matrix on this night to show why he is one of the Best Drum and Bass DJs in Northern California! Don't miss the knowledge this man will drop! [supporting cast] VALERIE SPARKS (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova Recordings-Sacramento) _If you haven't had a chance to watch this upcoming Happy Hardcore talent show what she can do, make it a point to check out what she can do! With her energetic style and passion to make the crowd move, she is becoming one of the most popular Happy Hardcore DJs in the nation! MIKEY J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) _One of the major forces behind the Drum and Bass movement in Sacramento, Mikey will have ya dancing from the first beat to the last! His love for the music he plays is unmatched by many of the DJs in his genre! Do not miss this Drum and Bass specialist! SCOTTY (Spin Knowledge-SF) _An up and comer in the Bay Area.. this Drum and Bass DJ will show you why he does what he does-the love of music! Room Two: House/Tech-House/Techno NEUROPSYNTIST (Neuroscience Creations) _Droppin that Hard Acid Techno, Neuropsyntist drops off all alter egoes for a set of something not heard too often locally! Drop all expectations at the door and prepare to be blown away with a very talented DJ and a fresh style! JAYVI VELASCO (Groove Industry) _Those House beats to keep ya movin is what to expect from this very talented DJ. Expect to move non-stop while this man is on the decks! STEVIE B (Peak Productions, Spin Knowledge) _One of the Club Matrix West House Residents, he will have ya up and going until the last record drops! LEWIS (Spin Knowledge, Knowledge Recordings) _Needing no introduction, Lewis is just a man who loves his music. Prepare to dance for the duration of this well experience DJ's set! For directions and complete info: http://www.clubmatrixwest.com *Club Matrix West is brought to you every Friday Night! Do Not miss out on this new Club! Different themes every Friday.. different DJs.. same great vibe! Hope to see you out there! If you'd like to submit a demo to play at Club Matrix West.. feel free to drop me an email at djtronic@liquidvinyldjs.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70345-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 00:04:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76635 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 00:04:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76625 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 00:04:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806000427.90713.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: kimba Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net To: BodhiInSF@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <18.1060b13f.289efbf3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Any D&B going on tonight? Dunno if you caught that .. but someone just posted a bsp right after ur post... Compression is tonite at An Sibin -- Sutter and Larkin DA PRESHA - Compound Records - SF THA HAVOC - Compression/S.W.A.T.T. DJ MAL kimba --- BodhiInSF@aol.com wrote: > Im being too lazy to search, but is there any D&B > going on tonight in the > city? IM in need of some good kick ass music because > I haven't heard any all > week. If so, drop me a mail and there's a good > chance I'll go.Thanks! > Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70346-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 00:20:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82336 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 00:20:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82320 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 00:20:06 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.3.206.231] From: "Clifford Brown" To: Cc: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:18:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C11DD2.9A553E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 00:19:21.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[70737EF0:01C11E0D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (PLEASE READ) A verry discouraging weekend and boonestache is postponed untell we can find a venue that will be RESPECTED ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C11DD2.9A553E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well my weekend started friday with a really intimate little party = at my house we played records got drunk it was all good then every one = fell asleep. Saturday I was supposed to go to hotell trance 4 with riz = (who was really nice and for no reason at all bought me a ticket) So we = hoped in my ride around after listening to the list of rules and got = there around 10:45. We expected such a huge security presence because of = all the rules and were really suprised to see that there was really none = at all. I was really disapointed that both Telene and DJ D for some = reason wernt on the line ups posted inside the venue.=20 The place was packed and hot by midnight and you could tell people = were having a good time but the heat was getting to them. bith rooms = were really dark and remincent of a high school dance (funny because = alot of people i went to high school with were there). Around 1:00 I = went out to my car to get some cigaretts and saw 2 police officers = talking to a woman who appeared to be one of the clubs nabors from = across the street. She told the officer that her drivway was blocked and = that her block was lined with cars and demanded to know what was going = on. The officers told her apparently the club had leased itself out for = a rave party. The woman asked whats a rave. The officer said "thats a = rave" and pointed at the mob of kids acting loud and foolishly by the = door to the club you could hear yells of "E 15 a pece" repetedly. The = woman looked tarified almost like she was scared her kids were going to = be doing this. after that I continued to my car but on my return the = woman was still talking to the cops begging them to shut it down. They = said "well we dont have the authority to shut it down but we have called = the fire department and the firmarshal should be checking out the = capacity of the place right now, because it looks way to crowded in = there." =20 After that I wated outside for about an hour trying to find Riz who = i rode with because the party was over. as people poored out the door = into the tenis courts and walkways the cries for cheep E got evan = louder. It was amazing to me its like no ones affraid anymore. I found = Riz and we talked for a second or two about The bad luck Istily's been = having latly. Then decided we would ask a few friends who had long ways = to travell if they wanted to come chill and sleep and listen to some = music. I talked to 6 people 4 of which said they were just gunna brave = the drive and if they needed to pull over. the other 2 said they were = with about 5 people and asked if they could come too. I said that wasnt = a problem but they needed to be quiet untell they got down to the = basement and under no sircumstances invite any one else. I thought thees = were pretty simple instructions seeing that it was 2 in the morning and = was totally not pre aranged.=20 Shortly after Riz and i got back the first two cars arrived. I KNEW = NO ONE IN THESE CARS! They asked if they could use the bathroom and i = said ok but my roomates are sleeping so you have to be quiet. They said = ok then 2 girls went into the bathroom together once in there they = proceded to make a nice little rucuss. After that about 5 more cars full = of people showed up and just kinda lingered in my back yard refusing to = go downstairs. This woke up my roomates as Kevin (one of my roomates) = was coming downstairs to ask me to ask every one to be quiet or leave he = spoted somone urinating in my yard he asked the guy what he was doing = and the guy aparently told Kevin to fuck off. I was outraged when i herd = this and my roomates who have only been exposed to one raver (me) said = Thees are the kind of people your having over on friday but your having = moor of them? and I just had to shake my head. I was totally imbaresed. = I have grown to love this scene but there is no way i can feel = comfertable letting it come home with me anymore. I have hosted house = parties in the past with frieds (none of wich were ravers and most of = wich who were hip hop fans) and everything went off great, everyone got = along, nothing got broken and I think the worst thing thats ever happend = is somone threw up on the carpet and when he came to he proceded to = break out the celtzer water and clean up. I was hoping i could share my = home with my party friends but aparently the thing I see missing most in = the scene is respect. why do i say that. In all the parties ive gon to = Ive never first hand scene an act of violence (guess im lucky) so i = consider our scene fairly pecfull. Love is abundant in our scene, love = for the music, love for fellow party goers... Unity is probibly second = on things were missing, but i do see sever groups who have banded = together to try to protect our right to dance. Then theres respect and = in no way have i scene this aspect of our slogan PLUR represented. I = dont see people respecting themselvs, I dont see people respecting = venues, I dont see people respecting crues and most of all I often see = people disrespecting each other at parties. I agree with charlie that = the vibe has changed I think its somewhat scewed itself to more fit what = america has become. I hope I am wrong but our scene seems verry greed = driven right now. People go to parties to have a good time or to get = messed up. If the party doesnt go as planned, they feel cheeted. The way = i have allways looked at it is from the small party stand point. Unless = I'm lied to or blatently riped off if the party doesnt go write there = cant be any hard feeling's cause i know if the crew knew what was going = to go wrong would go wrong they would have done somthing about it.=20 If I sound jaded im not. I just dont understand how I could go from = having the experience of my life with the peeps from assension last = weekend to being imbaressed to be associated with the scene this = weekend. To all of you who helped out with boonestache thanks and I'll = most likley be asking for your help again somtime in the future but for = now THE PARTY WILL GO ON, JUST NOT HERE Clifford Brown III ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C11DD2.9A553E60-- From sfraves-return-70347-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 01:39:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13266 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 01:39:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13255 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 01:39:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.226.192] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 01:38:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 01:38:22.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A4E1330:01C11E18] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP Hmmm...line-up looks nice...18+ for an older more mature crowd...and Matrix West, a club I have yet to check out...I think I'll go. Alright, my Friday night is now set! RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "No matter what stage a person is at in life, one thing must remain constant in order to achieve and retain happiness:HAVING FUN!" > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "DJ Tronic" > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [sfraves] AUG 10: Happy Hardcore/Drum N > > Bass/Hard House-$10!!. BSP > > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:41:59 -0700 > > > > Aight.. just tossin this one out so everyone knows > > about it early.. make > > your plans to get to Club Matrix West-Friday, August > > 10th!! Here's the > > lineup: > > > > $10 admission BEFORE 10:30 > > $15 admission after 10:30 > > > > Room One: Happy Hardcore-Drum and Bass-Hardcore > > > > *Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 > > Turntables!!** > > > > :: Spree (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) *2x4* > > Cloudskipper (Supernova > > Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) > > > > **One of the Most Respected and Best Drum and Bass > > DJs in the Bay Area** > > > > :: Megatron (MechaSOUL-SF) > > > > .supporting cast. > > > > : Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova > > Recordings-Sacramento) > > : Mikey J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) > > : Sketchy (Supernova Recordings-SF) > > : Scotty (Spin Knowledge) > > > > Room Two: House-Hard House-Techno > > > > **One of the Most Talented US Hard House Producers > > Today** > > > > :: DJ Tony (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los > > Angeles) > > > > .supporting cast. > > > > : Neuropsyntist (Nueroscience Creations) > > : Jayvi Velasco (Peak Productions) > > : Lewis (Spin Knowledge) > > > > Just lettin everyone know about this one.. should be > > off the hook! Make the > > plans to get there early!! ;) > > > > Andy > > Tronic > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70348-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 01:50:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18319 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 01:50:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18285 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 01:50:49 -0000 From: "djSyMPLiSTiK" To: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:50:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c11e1a$2c5dc3d0$a4a3fa18@mozart> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2526.0000 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Reminder! Zero Hours! Tonight 10p-midnight PST http://www.vulpinearts.com/music/zerohours/ End off your weekend with two hours of entrancing beats! For connection information, click the link above. Starts tonight 10pm PST! djSyMPLiSTiK hard house / hi-nrg / psytrance --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70349-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 02:22:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30782 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 02:22:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30767 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 02:22:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 22:20:45 EDT From: Spundae99@aol.com To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <6f.18f119e2.289f58fd@aol.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] srr: cyberfest tix i just found out that my friend has 5 extra CYBERFEST presale tickets for sale. please help my friend out by buying them! if anyone's interested, please send an email (privately) to spundae99@aol.com or kimlyn08@hotmail.com. thank you! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70350-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 03:30:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59011 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 03:30:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59001 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 03:30:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:29:47 -0700 Message-Id: <200108060329.UAA26551@mail1.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [198.81.16.58] From: "dj huey" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Simon @Construction this WEd. Hello people, well this wed night we are really excited to have one of san fran house legends: Simon from come unity and future dreams with a special two hour set. Come on down and get your boogy on at Construction located at 330 ritch between 3rd and 4th off townsend. 18+ to get down 21+ to get tipsy........hone in. ------------------------------------------------------------ [- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70351-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 03:32:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60690 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 03:32:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60680 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 03:32:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:31:40 -0700 Message-Id: <200108060331.UAA26643@mail1.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [198.81.16.58] From: "dj huey" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] One last thing oh yea, it's free to everyone on sfr........so e-mail me back with an rsvp ------------------------------------------------------------ [- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70352-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 03:39:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63418 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 03:39:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63401 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 03:39:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:39:11 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B6E115F.CE4219A6@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! I have had a lot of people e-mail me asking why there is no jungle room at Megga-Buzz... so before you all get ahead of yourselves... here's the deal: Because MEKKA had such a strong DnB/Hip-Hop Line-up, we figured they would pull all the jungle heads... so after long deliberation, we decided NOT to have a Jungle Room. This was a hard choice, because there has always been jungle at Megga-Buzz, and we have always been strong supporters of the music. However, now that that kharma has caught up to those losers, and they got canceled... we regretfully apologize to all those who will be deprived of their Jungle fix at Megga-Buzz, because it's to late to change our lineup. So sorry... don't blame us for not supporting... blame Mekka and blame the opportunist sell out promoters that there is no Jungle at Megga-Buzz. Thanks for understanding... Keep it alive, Vlad --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70353-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 04:28:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80252 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 04:28:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80241 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 04:28:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806042744.21511.qmail@web4401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:27:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Karma-Catt To: The List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1792155678-997072064=:19544" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Saturday... --0-1792155678-997072064=:19544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yea, so initially we wanted to go to hotel trance, but I was looking for something a little more low key... and all that... so yep, we headed over to chill therapy session II .. and it was definitely the right decision :o) A nice little chill party, is what I've been needing for a while... hell, I was even gonna go in my pjs... but.. decided against it at the last minute (not that any one would've cared, I'm sure.) Any hoot, met some cool people there, a few more sfr heads! Hi everyone!!! ... and the space was purrrrrfect... loved the white fur rug! Oh, and thanks Jeff for the fruit.. mmmm :o) Real mellow and relaxed.. a place to just get to know people... which is what we all did! I had a really great time, made some new friends, hung out with some old ones... (nice to spend some FRIENDLY time with the Oz-man;o)Very cool, thanks guys, for putting that together :o) Lotsa Lovin, Catt *meow* --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1792155678-997072064=:19544-- From sfraves-return-70354-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 05:01:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89190 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 05:01:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89180 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 05:01:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.185.12.23] From: "yo yo ma" To: comments@globalparty.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 01:00:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 05:00:57.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7952EA0:01C11E34] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! so exactly why is the Mecca crew losers? and how is this GOOD karma to be dising another top notch promoter that wanted to bring good music to this area? esp one that noted on their flyer that they were going to try and politely keep e-puddles from happening on the dancefloor. lets see, as far as I'm concerned it has something to do with Vlad feeling bad because someone else put together a better lineup then he did. Last time I checked its not bad karma to bring me better music than what is being offered currently. Is it bad karma to have org issues? I mean, I don't know ANY promoter that hasn't had every event they've ever wanted to throw go off perfectly. Does that mean they ALL have bad karma? Please enlighten me Vlad as to why 1. these people have bad Karma and 2. what makes them losers? 3. how does pointing the finger at others misfortune and yelling "loser" help "keep the vibe alive?" like your tag line says? I'm TRYING to understand Vlad. Please clarify this stuff for me. Thanks. >From: Feel Good >Reply-To: comments@globalparty.com >To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List > >Subject: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! >Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:39:11 -0700 > >I have had a lot of people e-mail me asking why there is no jungle room >at Megga-Buzz... so before you all get ahead of yourselves... here's the >deal: > >Because MEKKA had such a strong DnB/Hip-Hop Line-up, we figured they >would pull all the jungle heads... so after long deliberation, we >decided NOT to have a Jungle Room. This was a hard choice, because >there has always been jungle at Megga-Buzz, and we have always been >strong supporters of the music. > >However, now that that kharma has caught up to those losers, and they >got canceled... we regretfully apologize to all those who will be >deprived of their Jungle fix at Megga-Buzz, because it's to late to >change our lineup. So sorry... don't blame us for not supporting... >blame Mekka and blame the opportunist sell out promoters that there is >no Jungle at Megga-Buzz. > >Thanks for understanding... Keep it alive, Vlad > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70355-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 05:44:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2066 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 05:44:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2056 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 05:44:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806054344.36016.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:43:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: djd list , Orphan List , sf raves , F 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] My Full Moon Night Well, Hum where to begin. We didn't know what we wanted to do first. Aesha and Jason and I all had tickets to go to HT4, But i was invited to go to a Full Moon party on the same night, plus I had asked a few of my friends to meet me down there at the FM party as well. We though first o.k. go to the FM party and stay for a bit and well you never know it might get busted and then just head out to HT4 since it is scheduled to go until 6 am. So we go to the beach party first. To some people getting to the spot might have been a chore but i actually had a ball doing it. It was almost a blast from the past, from the times we use to go to the Secret Sidewalk in Niles Canyon in high school. To give you a guys a hint it was a "park your car here and walk through this hole in the fence then run across this freeway and go through another hole in a fence and..." We did lose a few people in the process. Not by getting hit from crossing any freeways, but from just wandering off ahead of the group. I must have walked back and forth this mile long path rounding them up at least 3-4 times. I had told my friends to go on ahead of me to HT4 that i was going to stay and checkout what happens from here. Cause at this time it was already 1:30 and they where still in the process of getting sound up. getting the right cables for the speakers and everything else that goes along with such outdoor events. The crowd was great. Very intimate i would have to say maybe 50 people at maximum. Everyone mingled and chatted and danced. Watched the waves, climbed trees, ventured around. I met new faces. Jessica it was good chatting with you and Adam and Les. Met Adams brother (happy Birthday) Andrew, Joe my new drinking buddy, Zach, Chase, Chris. Oh and weird to see Ernie there, i usually only see him as he's zooming by my house on his moeped. The dj's where great. Oracle was up first. I can't wait to see him at Club Six on the 30 of this month. That is going to be one hell of a night. I am hoping to see some you guys there too. I know you'll all have a great time, and an evening you won't forget. But because it was so dark i didn't believe Reid that that was Oracle until he walked me up there to prove it. Then Les Elemental was on next, and after that some guy doing some trance thing, and I think that was Spook on after him. we wrapped things up after that and headed home. Night went off great i think. Orphan you did it, you made it happen and thank you. I am kind of glad that i didn't go to HT4. Oh, super big giant Thank you to DJ Tronic And Reese for that phone call. I am looking forward to your next gathering. So good to be home, showered and rested. And to all of you. Yes!!! The first thing i did when Reid dropped me off was get in my car and go to McDonalds. AH Foood is goood. Every ones little Star Jamie Star __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70356-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 06:23:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16405 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 06:23:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16395 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 06:23:21 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: "RAVIN RIZ" , sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.16] Message-Id: <20010806062301.19EBC3ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Disturbing Scene That's totally Awesome of U!! I'm really proud you did that! It's totally sad to see that happen to kids like that, but I' glad you were around to skool them! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70357-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 07:18:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29870 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 07:18:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29860 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 07:18:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: "RAVIN RIZ" Cc: References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:29:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 07:18:12.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3C77150:01C11E47] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Disturbing Scene That's fucking awesome! not that the kids were rolling, but that they actually listened and were obviously affected by what you said... I am glad to hear that their are still people in the scene that actually care... personally i felt rather sick from the lack of caring i saw that night... but it could have been the heat mixed in with the sardine like atmosphere... I had a lot more fun in the parking lot, well untill i noticed the fire on the other side of the eigth foot wall... someone had lit some paper towels (probably from the bathroom or something) on fire near the pool... my friends and i who had parked somewhat near the pool noticed the burning papers that were rising above the wall, plus the extra light that was getting brighter, we quickly jumped onto the wall, and noticed that it was paper that was on top of some rocks and would soon go out.... we watch for a minute as it slowly died... then all was fine... scary! anyways, it's late, i'm going to sleep! Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.bayarearavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: ; Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: [sfraves] Disturbing Scene > Hey yo, > Hope everyone had a great weekend doing whatever it is that you did. For > those that attended Hotel Trance 4....well, shutdowns happen. It's part of > the scene. The shutdown really didn't get to me...once someone calls the > police and files a complaint for whatever reason, the fate of the party no > longer lies within the hands of the promoter but within the hands of the > authorities. Best thing to do is just be cooperative. I know Istyly is gonna > get a lot of heat for what happened, but they did their best and you gotta > respect them for putting out the effort. I've seen first hand how much work > it takes to plan and throw a party...it ain't an easy task. > What did get to me was a site that I've been seeing more and more of > within the past year. And that's seeing 10, 12, 13 year-olds on one > substance or another. Last night really got to me when a small boy who, upon > asking, told me he was 11 years old and was rollin with two of his other > friends, both ages 12. Upon following the boy over to a corner of the > basketball court where his two other friends were seated, one of them was > seriously dehydrated and could've passed out had I not gotten him some > water. At that age, while the body is still developing, any type of > substance abuse could lead to some serious long-term disorders such as brain > damage, spinal/nerve damage, etc.. to a much more severe extent since it's > at such a young age. > I agree with Charlie's email that most of the newbies come into the scene > not knowing what it really is about and are not educated about it. Luckily, > I had a group of friends that did educate me about the scene as I got into > it. So after I got the guys water, I just kinda chilled with them for a > while and, like a father lecturing his sons, explained to them exactly what > it was that they had taken that night, how it works, the risks involved, the > potential short- and long-term side effects, etc... At the end of the talk, > they all looked like deer caught in headlights. I had scared them, which is > exactly what I wanted to do but at the same time tried to convey to them the > concept of PLUR and coming for the music, the people, and the friendships > that can be made. Was it effective? It must've been because one of the boys > reached into his pocket, took out a pill he was saving for later in the > evening, lay it on the ground, and stomped on it. > So, from here one, and I hope some of you will do the same, if I see a > sight like that, instead of feeling queasy and walking away from it, I'm > gonna let the youngens know exactly what they're getting into...cause > someone has to. > > > RAVIN RIZ > AIM: Rzy T > "No matter what stage a person is at in life, one thing must remain constant > in order to achieve and retain happiness:HAVING FUN!" > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70358-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 08:18:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44202 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 08:18:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44192 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 08:18:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806081812.54453.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 01:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Erwin To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: innocentchild@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] safety issues for women...nrr Speaking of which.. My wife went to the Depeche Mode concert this weekend and some guy slipped roofies in her drink, and even told her this.. She thought he was joking till she started getting all sick and puking.. I dunno, things like this just turn my stomach. I wish I could have been there for her but her friend got her a ticket for her birthday and she's currently deciding whether or not she wants to leave me, so I'm currently not allowed anywhere near her.. God it's depressing, never been dumped in my life till now, and it wouldn't be so bad if I could just understand her reasoning for doing this to me, she says she's "doing it for my own good", because I'm too "dependant" on affection.. Doesn't make much sense to me, but I love her, so I'm trying to work it out.. Went to some parties this weekend to cheer myself up and I don't think it's working so far, cause I just end up missing her more.. But enuff of me feeling sorry for myself, I'm just warning people, you don't hafto be @ 1015 for someone to slip something in your drink, be careful out there and if you don't like going home with strange people then don't get too drunk even if you have a designated driver, or you could end up waking up the next morning not knowing what kind of person you just went home with.. But other than that, enjoy yourself! You only live twice right? Excellent song btw innocentchild :) Freedom Ring SF sound off! Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:23:21 -0700 To: "Geri Dahl" , From: "innocentchild" Subject: Re: [sfraves] safety issues for women...nrr Message-ID: Slap on a copy of Sublime 40oz to Freedom and listen to Date Rape. If that doesn't explain things than huddle up into a ball and start rocking while whimpering loudly - *make the bad man go away mommy!* over and over. If you're super twacked in the head decide to jump out of the car because your *friend* is going to rape you while going 45mph up Van Ness. You'll be safe from him that way. Of course you might not live when the shitty driver next to you turns you into a human speed bump... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geri Dahl" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: [sfraves] safety issues for women...nrr > sometimes, your "escort home" is going to be more > interested in your body and your potential for sexual > interaction > than your personal safety...he might deny this...just > the same, go with your gut instincts. you don't have > to go > anywhere you don't want to go. it is better sometimes > to abandon your ride, your companian on the street, > your "friend" in lew of your safety. be completely > aware > of your surroundings at all times and at all costs. if > someone is truly a friend to you, then he most > definately > will not be a jerk about it. also, sometimes, if > someone is planning on or has raped you, he will try > to blame > you for his actions or his feelings....he might say > something like "you are scaring me", "you scared me" > or "you seduced me"...a criminal is as a criminal > does.. > don't expect any honesty or integrety from someone who > means you nothing but harm. if someone has the > intention to get near you in a way that is > inappropriate, > most likely, he will try to get you alone. don't be > alone with him. don't worry about hurting his > feelings. a > true friend wouldn't mind and would totally understand > "no".. a true friend would not make you go anywhere > you don't > want to go, and a true friend would appreciate and > take an active interest in your personal boundaries. > :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70359-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 08:22:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45659 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 08:22:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45649 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 08:22:47 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 01:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.16] Message-Id: <20010806082226.F261036F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Late Posts & Saturday I totally need to start w/ Wed night! Wow, such a Groovy night! I mean, it was my 1st time @ Construction & Wow, I was like the 1st person there! It was CooL! Well, I sorta got hungry & went to the donut shop near by & ate a few donuts! But people did start to show up!! Hello 2Day!! I'm startin' to kick it more now w/ my Lil' HOmie Esmo! Sick! Saw Shannon, Sam, Logan, Jonah, Damien, & hmmm, can't remember who else! The main reason I did go was, ok, Joey was spinning & ofcourse I gota see him spin! It was funny 'cause I was like outside chiullin' then I see this dude walkin' up the alley way holdin' a record case & I knew that had to be him! BUt it was Groovy 'cause we totally got to like talk about everything, caught up on everything, & it was totally Awesome! I mean, I know we somewhat chatted on the Friday B4 when Dave &I did that cameo @ Fiesta, but yeah! Oh yeah, he spun a pretty sick set that night too! Kinda wierd 'cause I didn't hear a whole lota Vocal house or house covers like I normally hear in a JM set! But it was BAD ASS none the less! Thursday, went to Psychotica! Wow, Fuckin' Awesome man! I swear, Jungle for 2 hours a la Dos & Red Eye J! Fuckin' Sick man! There was a moment when Erika, Shannon, & I were dancin' on the floor before we went on a treasure hunt! Then Prism One did closing set w/ some Hard NRG! Kicked it w/ Siarra & Jaime too! I mean, damn, anytime I get to hang out w/ The Ratkoonrat crew, I gotta hang out w/ them!! It's kinda sad that we I ain't all tight w/ them like back in the day, but We still Love each other! =) Friday I colored Protocol7's hair in South City! Unfortunately, it didn't turn out the way we hoped it would & he's jus' gonna do it black now! Oh =( OK, SAT night was a Groovy night! I mean, Chill Therapy 2 was kinda phat! Totally Dope Ass Time kickin' it w/ totally Awesome people!! It was CooL 'cause met these 3 Cats (Josh, Josh, & Penny) & I swear man, they are so Awesome! It was so fun hangin' out w/ them!! Ofcourse kicked it w/ Catt Woman! LoL Fun!! But I swear man, there was this total Deep Hearted Talk I had w/ Jared & it was a Totally Awesome bonding moment for me w/ him!! I mean, I Love Jared & I only hope the best for Homeboy! Also saw House Cat Anthony, Jeff, Jeremy (Thanks again man) who I think were all pretty much the SFRs there that night! But yeah, Super Dope time! Had a totally Groovy time meeting so many new people! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70360-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 08:37:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50754 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 08:37:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50735 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 08:37:09 -0000 Message-ID: <41200181684037300@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: samanafshar@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.05.11 (Windows) From: "Saman Afshar" To: "SacR" , "SFR" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 1:40:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Test ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Test Thanks! --- Saman Afshar --- samanafshar@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From sfraves-return-70361-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 08:41:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54147 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 08:41:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54126 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 08:41:36 -0000 From: "donbrannon" To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 01:51:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Riz/HT4/What is missing/Clifford... and trance lovers. Immediate credit where credit is due: Good job with those kids Riz. Here on the list we have debated about all ages parties versus 18+ parties. Perhaps a better question is, "Where is the practical and sensible limit drawn on the notion of 'all ages'." Reading through Riz's review sent me to my medicine cabinet for an antacid. Jay of Istyly, if you are on this list I have one question for you: Did your parents raise you to believe that endangering people of all ages is ok? Commonsense is what is missing from your scene. I will not even say "the scene" because in the scene I frequent commonsense is all around and quite evident in the thought put into party productions. There are no cases of extremely young children in attendance because they are not promoted to. Now let's all pause and take a look at the Istyly series of flyers. Based on the flyer and the overcrowding at Hotel Trance 2 and 3, ask yourselves why you supported this party and even allowed for a fourth Hotel Trance within your scene. Serious introspection is what is missing from your scene. Everyone is running around "trying not to think too much." Until the whole "newschool" group of people attached to this part of the scene starts developing values around the activity, it is going to get worse before it gets better. You simply cannot be respectful until you develop personal values. You also need to develop the wisdom to realise where the value of "doing things your own way" collides with doing things well. Time and time again I have tried talking to people within this "newschool" group of ravers to be met with the real resistance of: We are doing things our own way. Repeatedly on this list it has been mentioned that the state of the scene is the way it is because the oldschoolers abandoned some sort of educational responsibility toward the newbies. I am here to debunk that myth and say that there are plenty of oldschool ravers out there willing to guide people but that VERY FEW ARE WILLING TO LISTEN AND ACCEPT WHAT IS SAID. It is like blaming everything on the parents when the kids are just out and out punks of their own making. So, I am sorry to say Clifford that these are the people that showed up at your home uninvited. These are the children who were so wrapped up in their own self-absorbed hedonistic pleasure that they couldn't respect your housemates or your home. Maybe this was your first serious wake up call to what the true problems within your scene really are. They certainly are not problems in the side of the scene I enjoy. As far as your upcoming party is concerned you do not need a "venue that can be respected," you need a "group of kids that can respect their own family and side of the scene." It's sad that the entire genres of progressive and popular trance have imploded on themselves here in the bay area but at this point I have to say you reap what you sow. In the case of progressive and popular trance here in the bay area the scene was put into the stewardship of a scattered group of teen-angst ridden, ego driven children dj/promoters who with their fast paced social lives and "no cares" attitude, brought it all crashing down around them... ...and have the GAUL to cry out in desparation and whine to the list about what happened to their scene. It isn't too late. Time marches on and this whole group of kids are getting older. Many of them will burn out and leave the scene, a few will be stubborn and grow into "big kids" who attempt throwing a massive and lose their shirts in the process, and yet even fewer might just listen, explore, and find the underground and some deeper meaning in it all. The key for you folks that love trance is to expect more from your parties and support ONLY those people that provide it. I'm certainly not going to stop in my attempt to reach a few people just because the majority aren't listening. Names were not mentioned, but you know who you are. This post is of a different nature than my usual fluffy, politically correct, "feel good" philosophical posts for the mere fact that I choose to come at you from all angles. Maybe a few will listen. With hope, donb ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70362-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 09:02:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59595 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 09:02:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59578 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 09:02:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4120018169542690@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: samanafshar@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.05.11 (Windows) From: "Saman Afshar" To: "SacR" , "SFR" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 2:5:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] What did you guys think of Eternia? ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII What do you guys think of eternia, their parties and the one on friday? I haven't heard any reviews and just wondered what you guys think of them and their parties? I personally had a great time there and dyloot's set was pretty different from what he usually plays and I really enjoyed it. The venue was far and alright but it had a real good vibe to it and security sucked ass but what can you do. Thanks for the info it is greatly appreciated. --- Saman Afshar --- samanafshar@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From sfraves-return-70363-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 14:29:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86218 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 14:29:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86198 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 14:29:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 07:29:19 -0700 From: dr_XeNo To: The Davis Family , SacRaves , SFRaves Cc: Jonathan Ojeda Reply-to: drXeNo@drxeno.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ayr7OV+JyO1pyaJjvmg6ZA)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA f. Jonathan Ojeda 08.06.01 --Boundary_(ID_ayr7OV+JyO1pyaJjvmg6ZA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey Kidz... Tonite we're pleased to bring you one of the latest artists to emerge and continue the great Spundae progressive house tradition, Jonathan Ojeda. He'll be dropping the latest in smooth and deep choons. We'll be talking a lot about the label he helps to run and represents, Spundae Recordings, as well as giving away cds and tickets...Stay chooned... ;-) *Let the Music Get You High* TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA 90.3FM KDVS, Davis CA Monday Nights 10pm - Midnite RealAudio Streaming RealAudio Streaming Archive of Last Show Download RealAudio Last Show Request Lines: 530.752.2777 530.752.2778 Tonite - Monday, August 6, 2001: Featuring: Jonathan Ojeda/Spunda Recordings (SF) TiX Giveaways: Nikita/Spundae Other Giveaways: Jonathan Ojeda CDs Ward Kadel <<>> drXeNo@drxeno.net www.drxeno.net Producer, TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA Monday nights, 10pm -Midnite on KDVS 90.3FM Davis, CA www.drxeno.net/tek/ IM: drXeNo6; ICQ: 18463830; IRC/EFNET: dr_XeNo; Yahoo! Msgr: dr_XeNo6 --Boundary_(ID_ayr7OV+JyO1pyaJjvmg6ZA)-- From sfraves-return-70364-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 15:15:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9829 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 15:15:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9762 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 15:15:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: comments@globalparty.com cc: SFRaves , Sac Raves List In-Reply-To: <3B6E115F.CE4219A6@globalparty.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! You know what Vlad, You call the Mekka promoters losers, when they actually PROMOTED your party to the list when they were announcing the loss of their line-up. It was completely out of the control of the promoters, as this was a TOUR and the people who were making the tour happened CANCELLED. It is not as if Clockwork intentionally dropped the Mekka tour because they felt like it, they have no control over that. I sent an e-mail to them giving them PROPS for saying "there are still good parties like Megga Buzz going on that weekend" because they were doing what TRUE promoters in this scene would do - and helped out a fellow promoter(and otherwise competitor) because their event got dunked. That doesn't happen, hardly ever, especially not in the massive scene. They had balls to host the Mekka tour because they knew good music is good music, and it would have been one HELL of a line-up - they were SMART, not sell-outs. I am sure they dropped alot of money to host the Mekka tour out here, as there is alot of good talent! And don't get me started on the whole "calling the kettle black" aspect of that issue. That comment was in poor taste Vlad and seeing that nothing surprises me anymore about you, I guess I should have expected it from you. But I thought you would appreciate their BSP for your party. For shame, dissing a crew after they gave your party a free promotion without you even asking for it. And you wonder why people can't stand you. Lara p.s. Clockwork parties are not among my choice of parties to go to, but I still believe they handled this situation very well, and like good sports! ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Feel Good wrote: > I have had a lot of people e-mail me asking why there is no jungle room > at Megga-Buzz... so before you all get ahead of yourselves... here's the > deal: > > Because MEKKA had such a strong DnB/Hip-Hop Line-up, we figured they > would pull all the jungle heads... so after long deliberation, we > decided NOT to have a Jungle Room. This was a hard choice, because > there has always been jungle at Megga-Buzz, and we have always been > strong supporters of the music. > > However, now that that kharma has caught up to those losers, and they > got canceled... we regretfully apologize to all those who will be > deprived of their Jungle fix at Megga-Buzz, because it's to late to > change our lineup. So sorry... don't blame us for not supporting... > blame Mekka and blame the opportunist sell out promoters that there is > no Jungle at Megga-Buzz. > > Thanks for understanding... Keep it alive, Vlad > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70365-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 16:07:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43852 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 16:07:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43842 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 16:07:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 09:06:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 16:06:54.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFCE0080:01C11E91] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] whats lol mean? sorry if I sound like an idiot but I dont know. What does lol mean? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70366-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 16:29:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59844 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 16:29:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59834 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 16:29:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806162916.64236.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:29:16 -0700 (PDT) From: FUckFace Johnson To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats lol mean? --- k-boy allstar wrote: > sorry if I sound like an idiot but I dont know. > > > What does lol mean? > > if people needed to apologize for sounding like idiots, then a lot of you other dumb folks are forgetting your manners. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70367-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 16:46:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69155 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 16:46:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69143 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 16:46:18 -0000 Message-ID: <035601c11e97$4720a020$1529d6cf@BUNNYLUSTGTS> From: "Laurence Maar \(Work\)" To: "FUckFace Johnson" , References: <20010806162916.64236.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:46:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats lol mean? > > sorry if I sound like an idiot but I dont know. > > > > What does lol mean? > > if people needed to apologize for sounding like > idiots, then a lot of you other dumb folks are > forgetting your manners. lol ----- Laurence Maar Developer, Alliance United ----- Claudia Pfister, a spokeswoman for a Berlin animal rights group, said that she feared the event would lead to copycat art, such as, get ready for this: "people throwing their pet dogs out of windows." Now this crazy bitch is just trying to get offended. She thinks that people will see a pile of beef fall from a helicopter, and she's worried they're going to drop their dog out of a window? For that to happen people not only have to watch Austrian performance art, but they'd have to think their window was a helicopter, and then forget that dogs are not cows. You might as well worry that they're going to shave their balls and learn to fly. - Seanbaby --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70368-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 16:47:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70467 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 16:47:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70456 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 16:47:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 09:51:57 -0700 From: Robert Warren To: k-boy allstar , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <150501c11e98$1b2bc480$6501a8c0@notebook> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats lol mean? It means Laughing Out Loud, here are some more: atm - At the Moment b/c - Because bbiaf - Be Back in a Few bf or b/f - Boyfriend brb - be right back brbbrb - be right back bath room break c&g - Chuckle & Grin cico - Coffee in, Coffee Out cla - Cap Lock Alert cwyl - Chat With You Later d/l - Download dgt - Don't Go There focl - Fell Off Chair Laughing fwiw - For What It's Worth fyi - For Your Information gf or g/f - Girlfriend gmc - Getting More Coffee gmta - Great Minds Think Alike gtg - Got To Go (Bye) h&k - Hug & Kiss itmohe - If The Monitor Only Had Eyes iyd - In Your Dreams j/k - Just Kidding m/f - Male or Female? np (n/p) - Not a Problem (or no problem) oic - Oh, I see omg - Oh My God pls - Please rpg - Role Playing Games sup or zup - What's Up? thx (thnx) - Thanks cul8r, Robi ----- Original Message ----- From: "k-boy allstar" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: [sfraves] whats lol mean? > sorry if I sound like an idiot but I dont know. > > > What does lol mean? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70369-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 16:56:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78586 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 16:56:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78573 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 16:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806165634.9393.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:56:34 -0700 (PDT) From: CJ To: DJ Teks , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010805225753.67153.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? > > Sound system was weak, everyone was playing NRG, > which > I dont mind some good nrg, it just seemed like > everyone was playin it. Of course this was just for > the 2hrs I was there before it got busted, I'm sure > someone was going to play some trance. NRG is the next bandwagon that all the poser ass Dj's are jumping on. Why? I am not really sure...I do know this....GET YOUR OWN DAMN STYLE....and no, NRG is not a new style, it is rehashed from early 'rave' techno...now it just sucks REALLY bad! Innovative my ass....It is about as innovative as cybertrance = sorry and played out! What's next for all you Dj's who have to play what everbody else is playing?? Sorry souls... vvveeeeerrrr-vveeerrrr, cj __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70370-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 16:57:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81259 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 16:57:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81249 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 16:57:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 09:56:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 16:56:53.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB0B9240:01C11E98] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] wow (lol) Holy shit that I wasnt expecting such a response but thx alot. I had been wondering what it was for some time now. The K stands for KRAZY! lol peace- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70371-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 17:05:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88200 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 17:05:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88189 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 17:05:01 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c11e99$e80759f0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "CJ" , "DJ Teks" , References: <20010806165634.9393.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:04:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? Not every dj jumped on the bandwagon..And there is a lot of good NRG out there. The thing is most of the dj's out there only play the anthems. There is some really good dark hard hitting NRG and HardHouse just gota know what to look for. But basically any old school trace dj that is now playing NRG is a pozer or any other old school dj the switched up to get some love is a pozer. You gota go see Morgan, Kemical Kidd, Uphonic and all the other old school NRG dj's. NRG is nothing like techno, so your way off when you make that statement. A lot of old school sounds are being used but in new songs so there is no way you can compare the two. You cant tell me cuz you hear a snare in NRG they they are stealing from house now and NRG is just like something else. I agree it sucks ass that every dj is trying to be an NRG dj now, but the good ones know how to take it from HardHouse to NRG to Acid Trace to Techno. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "CJ" To: "DJ Teks" ; Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? > > > > > Sound system was weak, everyone was playing NRG, > > which > > I dont mind some good nrg, it just seemed like > > everyone was playin it. Of course this was just for > > the 2hrs I was there before it got busted, I'm sure > > someone was going to play some trance. > > NRG is the next bandwagon that all the poser ass Dj's > are jumping on. Why? I am not really sure...I do > know this....GET YOUR OWN DAMN STYLE....and no, NRG is > not a new style, it is rehashed from early 'rave' > techno...now it just sucks REALLY bad! Innovative my > ass....It is about as innovative as cybertrance = > sorry and played out! What's next for all you Dj's > who have to play what everbody else is playing?? > Sorry souls... > > vvveeeeerrrr-vveeerrrr, > > cj > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70372-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 17:10:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94554 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 17:10:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94543 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 17:10:17 -0000 From: ChefMarsOnTV@aol.com Message-ID: <80.e2daab7.28a0294f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:09:35 EDT To: smellmyeggs@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_80.e2daab7.28a0294f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats lol mean? --part1_80.e2daab7.28a0294f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laughing Out Loud>????? --part1_80.e2daab7.28a0294f_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70373-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 17:13:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96800 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 17:13:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96790 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 17:13:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:13:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 17:13:31.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DFEB340:01C11E9B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] wow (lol) To tell you the truth the K does stand for something else. That name was given to me in my drugged out candy days if thats any clue to what it could mean. peace- >From: Tom Lee >To: "'k-boy allstar'" >Subject: RE: [sfraves] wow (lol) >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:58:29 -0400 > >:-) > >Your Welcome..... > >As for the name.... Damn, I thought it stood for something else. > >Nice meeting, ya. > >Peace. > >-----Original Message----- >From: k-boy allstar [mailto:junglejunkie1@hotmail.com] >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:57 AM >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] wow (lol) > > >Holy shit that I wasnt expecting such a response but thx alot. I had been >wondering what it was for some time now. > > >The K stands for KRAZY! lol > >peace- > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70374-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 17:22:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6018 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 17:22:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6008 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 17:22:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:21:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 17:21:53.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[49336140:01C11E9C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Fwd: RE: [sfraves] wow (lol) >Please disregard last post. I was tryin to reply to someone else and >pushed a wrong button. That wasn't meant to be on the list. > >Sorry- > > >>From: "k-boy allstar" >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: RE: [sfraves] wow (lol) >>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:13:31 -0700 >> >>To tell you the truth the K does stand for something else. That name was >>given to me in my drugged out candy days if thats any clue to what it >>could >>mean. >> >>peace- >> >> >>>From: Tom Lee >>>To: "'k-boy allstar'" >>>Subject: RE: [sfraves] wow (lol) >>>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:58:29 -0400 >>> >>>:-) >>> >>>Your Welcome..... >>> >>>As for the name.... Damn, I thought it stood for something else. >>> >>>Nice meeting, ya. >>> >>>Peace. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: k-boy allstar [mailto:junglejunkie1@hotmail.com] >>>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:57 AM >>>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>Subject: [sfraves] wow (lol) >>> >>> >>>Holy shit that I wasnt expecting such a response but thx alot. I had >>>been >>>wondering what it was for some time now. >>> >>> >>>The K stands for KRAZY! lol >>> >>>peace- >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70375-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 17:27:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9080 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 17:27:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9069 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 17:27:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806172725.61804.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: FUckFace Johnson To: k-boy allstar , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [sfraves] wow (lol) do you know what you just did? you just pulled down your pants in the middle of the public market. how can anybody disregard that? put your pants back on, k junkie. --- k-boy allstar wrote: > > > > >Please disregard last post. I was tryin to reply > to someone else and > >pushed a wrong button. That wasn't meant to be on > the list. > > > >Sorry- > > > > > >>From: "k-boy allstar" > >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >>Subject: RE: [sfraves] wow (lol) > >>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:13:31 -0700 > >> > >>To tell you the truth the K does stand for > something else. That name was > >>given to me in my drugged out candy days if thats > any clue to what it > >>could > >>mean. > >> > >>peace- > >> > >> > >>>From: Tom Lee > >>>To: "'k-boy allstar'" > >>>Subject: RE: [sfraves] wow (lol) > >>>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:58:29 -0400 > >>> > >>>:-) > >>> > >>>Your Welcome..... > >>> > >>>As for the name.... Damn, I thought it stood for > something else. > >>> > >>>Nice meeting, ya. > >>> > >>>Peace. > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: k-boy allstar > [mailto:junglejunkie1@hotmail.com] > >>>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:57 AM > >>>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >>>Subject: [sfraves] wow (lol) > >>> > >>> > >>>Holy shit that I wasnt expecting such a response > but thx alot. I had > >>>been > >>>wondering what it was for some time now. > >>> > >>> > >>>The K stands for KRAZY! lol > >>> > >>>peace- > >>> > >>>_________________________________________________________________ > >>>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >>>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >>> > >>> > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70376-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 17:43:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27761 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 17:43:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27750 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 17:43:36 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <008201c136f9$c52e7f80$271be9d1@kelly> From: "kryptyk" To: "Sfraves@Hyperreal.Org" , Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:31:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C136BF.1285DA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HALFLIFE - monday night drum and bass -- SLAM-O-MATIC*9000 ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C136BF.1285DA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // H A L F L I F E //=20 // // monday night drum and bass // // an sibin=20 // 1176 sutter [x polk] - sf // // residents: kryptyk, seraphim, zigmund void tonight SLAM-O-MATIC 9000 mash up thanks to everyone who came out last week. and many thanks and hugs to = siren for kicking off her bay area visit with a sick, two hour set. = this week, we circle the wagons for the slamomatic 9000 masher, with = visits from many local vibemasters, as well as the halflife residents. = come hang out with the local headz and soak up some of the dark beats = and great vibe. // coming next week: GENOME, SERAPHIM, ZIGMUND VOID mondays just don't have to suck anymore!! // H A L F L I F E // // // 9:30-2:00am // $3 after 10 // 21+ pleeeze // // an sibin // 1176 sutter [x polk] sf //=20 // www.geocities.com/halflifesf (schedule, demos, bios, etc.) // ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C136BF.1285DA20-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-70377-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 18:16:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68677 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 18:16:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68666 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 18:16:48 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [153.18.147.13] From: "nicole willgrube" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:16:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 18:16:16.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[E23E70D0:01C11EA3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Eternia, Sunmade, Organic Eternia at Maritime Hall last year was my first party, so maybe I'm a little biased. I had an awesome time. I didn't get to go to their party this last weekend, but that would've been hella cool cuz it would have been my year mark, and I'm also kind of laying off partying because I need to focus on other things. Not that I've gotten it out of my system or something crazy like that. :) I did make it out to Sunmade with my boy, and it was fun. We got there late because I had to work, but we spent a couple hours dancing our asses off. I didn't really talk to many people, but everyone was friendly and the music was good. of course. ahh yes, day parties are the best. I like making a spectacle of myself on a cement dance floor, and feeling the sun and breeze while I catch my breath. So anyway. I'm going to be at Organic on the 11th. If you see people dancing at a party like that, join them!!! Don't stand around with everyone else lookin at asses and posin like you think your pretty! (not that you aren't, and not that the people on this list are the ones doing it) Either dance or stand really close to the speakers/dj and look like thats the reason you're there. Alls I'm sayin is, poop on all the people that don't know what music is for. Show people you know whats up, stick it in their face. Have some pride, be an example. hehehe. sorry guys, just had to let that out. My last words before I leave the list. tah tah for now, tee tee for then. I'll see you guys around. ~nicole > > >What do you guys think of eternia, their parties and the one on >friday? I haven't heard any reviews and just wondered what you guys think >of >them and their parties? I personally had a great time there and dyloot's >set was >pretty different from what he usually plays and I really enjoyed it. The >venue >was far and alright but it had a real good vibe to it and security sucked >ass >but what can you do. Thanks for the info it is greatly appreciated. > > > >--- Saman Afshar > >--- samanafshar@earthlink.net > >--- EarthLink: It's your Internet. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70378-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 18:31:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82813 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 18:31:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82802 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 18:31:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806183119.49588.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] more about the stern grove festival..nrr hear is the web address: www.sterngrove.org the festival goes on until the third sunday in august, if i am not mistaken...if you haven't been able to go to any of these events, because you are in another state or country or if you have just been busy or if you think i am some wierdo posting some sort of lies, don't worry, because this festival happens every year in san francisco....also, if you think i am a wierdo, i am so sorry that you have been spending so much time around bimbos that you would automatically think that i am a bimbo too. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70379-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 18:37:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88694 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 18:37:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88683 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 18:37:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "Geri Dahl" , References: <20010806183119.49588.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:46:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 18:36:44.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE077A10:01C11EA6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] more about the stern grove festival..nrr LoL ummm ok whatever dude I have absolutly no idea how being a wierdo = being a bimbo... but hay its her worls I guess were all just living in it. Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geri Dahl" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:31 AM Subject: [sfraves] more about the stern grove festival..nrr > hear is the web address: www.sterngrove.org > > the festival goes on until the third sunday in august, > if i am not mistaken...if you haven't been able to go > to > any of these events, because you are in another state > or country or if you have just been busy or if you > think i am some > wierdo posting some sort of lies, don't worry, because > this festival happens every year in san > francisco....also, if you think i am a wierdo, i am so > sorry > that you have been spending so much time around bimbos > that you would automatically think that i am a bimbo > too. :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70380-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 18:39:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92280 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 18:39:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92269 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 18:39:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806183923.41908.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] movies nrr you can totally tell who you'd never want to go to a good movie with just by posting to sfraves. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70381-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 18:42:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95174 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 18:42:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95161 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 18:42:21 -0000 Message-ID: From: Piers Sutton To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:40:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11EA7.37CD2ED0" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] movies nrr ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11EA7.37CD2ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You should already have friends you would want to go to a movie with. I like toast. > -----Original Message----- > From: Geri Dahl [mailto:eeelips@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:39 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] movies nrr > > > you can totally tell who you'd never want to go to a > good movie with just by posting to sfraves. :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11EA7.37CD2ED0-- From sfraves-return-70382-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 18:43:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96728 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 18:43:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96713 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 18:43:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806184319.42259.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: Deepfog , SFRavEs Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? i forgot something...we need MORE PHAT bReAkS!!!!!! :) --- Deepfog wrote: > nothing. i think the scene has equalized itself > from the shunning of > house music, which was what created the scene in SF, > vs. trance, > which started off as mindless ugly music, but has > evolved. now all > we have to do is get city state and federal > governments all on the > same page. > > > > > What do you think is missing in our scene? If > your an old skooler, what do > >you miss from "back in the day" that isn't > happening now? And whether your > >from the old skool or new skool vibe, what would > you do today to make raving > >more positive? > > Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70383-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 18:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3571 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 18:49:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3548 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 18:48:59 -0000 From: "Ranger" To: "Geri Dahl" , Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20010806183119.49588.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] more about the stern grove festival..nrr I went yesterday to the Stern Grove Festival to see the San Francisco Ballet perform Act II of Swan Lake, Act III of Sleeping Beauty, and Symphony in three movements by Stravinsky. It was utterly breathtaking to see such primier talent performing Swan Lake which must be one of the worlds great treasures. We arrived 2 hours early which wasn't early enough.. seeting was very tight and many people were not able to find room and thus were asked to leave.. so sad.. but happy for me :) This was the only summer appearance for SFB in SF and so I had to go.. nothing like free parking, free ballet, and public debouchery with the vino and cheese! Well, I hope you will all try to make use of this great free event happening every week through July and August.. but sorry.. no more ballet! Ranger -----Original Message----- From: Geri Dahl [mailto:eeelips@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:31 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] more about the stern grove festival..nrr hear is the web address: www.sterngrove.org the festival goes on until the third sunday in august, if i am not mistaken...if you haven't been able to go to any of these events, because you are in another state or country or if you have just been busy or if you think i am some wierdo posting some sort of lies, don't worry, because this festival happens every year in san francisco....also, if you think i am a wierdo, i am so sorry that you have been spending so much time around bimbos that you would automatically think that i am a bimbo too. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-38129458-997123906=:51062 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: eeelips@yahoo.com via web12101.mail.yahoo.com; 06 Aug 2001 11:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12108.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.172.28) by mta403.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Aug 2001 11:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: 6 Aug 2001 18:51:02 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com To: eeelips@yahoo.com Subject: failure delivery Content-Length: 987 Message from yahoo.com. Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). : Sorry, I couldn't find any host named hyperrreal.org. (#5.1.2) --- Original message follows. Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010806185102.49864.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.212.118.4] by web12108.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:51:02 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl Subject: Re: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-38129458-997123906=:51062 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-38129458-997123906=:51062-- From sfraves-return-70385-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 18:56:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10335 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 18:56:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10325 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 18:56:29 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:56:20 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! Saturday August 18, 2001 ELECTRIC NERVE, MYSTICAL MAYHEM, SO MUCH GLOW, CRave present A FULLY PERMITTED NON-MASSIVE GOING ALL NIGHT WITH GOOD VIBES AND NO DRAMA. TICKETS AVAILABLE THIS WEEKEND FOR $15>> RANT 'N RAVE Featuring: Prophecy Collective (Mythic/ Essence Records, Florida, On stage/ LIVE PA)_ You might not know who this live trance band from Florida is but they have played at the Winter Music Confrence , all over the South East and play a live set that includes strings and non-eletronic percussion. From Deepsky to Trancefusion to NOSTRUM to NU IDOL Mystical Mayhem / Electric Nerve have been proud to be a part of linups that have included live trance PA's. We are excited to bring more tight ass shit! Look for a more extended bio posted this week. Gianni (Spundae/ djgianni.com, SR)- just booked to represent Spundae over in Ibizia this guy keeps pushing the progressive sound. Thomas Trouble (SF, Blutonium Records)- Hard and fast just like you like it. DJ D (dj-d.com, SF)-SHOWING THAT GIRLS CAN DO ANYTHING BOYS CAN DO BETTER. NAME ONE OTHER BAY AREA TRANCE/ NRG DJ THAT HAS SHOT TO THE TOP OF A VERY TALENTED FIELD SO QUICKLY...ok, but still she's the shit Simon Apex (Subsonic, Sac.)-The HHC force in Northen Cali. JOEY MAZZOLA (AM Crew/RadioActive/Soulmatic, SF)_Known more for his scratching and turntable skills folks take note as Mr. Mazzola takes it to the next level this year not only by showing people more of his mixing prowess but also with upcoming studio releases that he'd kill me if I said anymore about. If you missed his set right before Richard Humpty Vision @ SERENITY than this will be the chance to see Joey rock it with the same great quality sound ( JK SOUND) in a more family style setting. ;-) St. John (HouseNation/ 94.9, SF)_ Not playing what you hear on the radio. Not even close. Jessie Gonzales (Krate Records, Salinas)_House from an area not much represented hailing from the (831)! 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If you like to help promote, contribute art or get involved/ Industry (707) 288-4854 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70386-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 19:14:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32207 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 19:14:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32173 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 19:14:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:19:16 -0700 From: Robert Warren To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <155f01c11eac$af8dd280$6501a8c0@notebook> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fw: [CogLib] Ecstasy 4-year Mandatory Minimum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alchemind Society" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: [CogLib] Ecstasy 4-year Mandatory Minimum > *************************************** > Illinois Governor Signs Harsh New Ecstasy Law > *************************************** > > Today, Illinois Governor George H. 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The = weekend started off with me waking up at 7am (VERY RARE) and heading up = to Petaluma to pick up Lydia. Met up with Becca and Ira and headed = North. A little over an hour later we were in the *heart of mendocino = county* for the usual liquor and ice run at Safeway. Quote of the = morning at Safeway *I've sold so many of these things and some guy = wanted to know if he could buy a case!* which was in reference to = RedBull. Guess the small towns don't see RedBull flying off the shelves = usually. After loading up the coolers we headed up to the campground but = I being half asleep still kept missing the damn road to turn onto. = Finally get to the point where the pavement gives way to dirt trail and = that's where things get fun. I've always had this desire to go ralleying = at some point in my life and the offering of a wide dirt road at 50mph = for a bit is too tempting. Anyone play GT3 A-Spec here and know when you = get stuck behind someone in the rallye race you can't see through the = dirt being kicked up? Well that's what it was like following the 3 cars = in front of me. Get to the main gate only to find out that all the lower = lots are full and that we're going to have to park up by the orchard. = That did NOT make me happy. The orchard is way the hell up the hill from = the main area. The people that run the place had their utility carts = there and drove are stuff down from the parking lot to where the orchard = area was. No good spaces available mixed with being hungry =3D baaaad = mood. Fortunately Becca ran into Mike Migurski who was able to secure = the same space as last year. Ira and I stacked the coolers and hiked = them down to the new spot which was like carrying bassbins down a rocky = trail. Big thank you to the camp n sons staffer who drove Lydia and I = back up to the rest of our gear and let us load it in the cart! Setup = the tent, drank some beer, ate some food, got into our bathing suits and = headed for the pond. When it's 90 something outside that pond is such a = wonderful place to be. Great to see so many older *kids* playing around = like it was summertime at the lake at age 10! Having the second = soundsystem off to the side of the pond set the perfect mood with Ethan = playing a house set. The rest of the afternoon was made up of drinking = and being social. Alida, Tina, Veronica got there finally and filled out = the campsite. Went wandering through the garden and pet some bumble bees = and tried to catch lizards. Some of the hanging gourds look like a = girl's bestfriend =3D) Setup visuals once Terry got there and by the = time that was done it was music time. I've never seen the likes of such = a production in the middle of the woods. Shane's old roomy brought out = all of his lasers ( i think that he has 7), radiant atmospheres brought = out 4 technobeams and a slew of huge floods, we had 2 screens in the = main area and one in the garden when combined together was like = wondertwin power! I swear it looked like the mother ship had landed with = all the lights bursting through the dust being kicked up. The JK sound = was awesome and the music being played over it was as well. Great live = set from Hsyteris Loop. There was a lot of electro and just darker = brooding music in general that just flowed all night and into the = morning. Every time I peeked out my tent to see what was going on I just = smiled a shit eating grin. My energy level was at an all time low. Early = morning wakeups are bad! Tried to get some sleep but that didn't work = out too well. Had a great morning breakfast of yogurt and momosas. = That's the other thing - how many events have girls wandering around = with pitchers of momosa?? So what was all that about old people having = sex and fire? Hmmm... We all waited for one of the hot tubs to get = drained and refilled due to the lack of being able to see the bottom. = Not into the whole bathing in pee thing. Oh and this is for Alida = http://www.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de/~sillke/PUZZLES/snaps who = subjected a tub full of tired and cracked out people to 5th grade games = =3DP After the spa it was time to go. Too hot and couldn't sleep so = might as well pack it up and head for FOSTER'S FREEZE!! Yummy milkshakes = and that cheeseburger was soooo needed! Another year of great of = memories and a big thanks to all of those that made it happen. I needed = that =3D) ryan.bailey sninesix.design www.viberation.com/ryan ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C11E78.1E95B100-- From sfraves-return-70388-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 20:11:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9667 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 20:11:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9656 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 20:11:02 -0000 Message-ID: <014901c11eb3$db252b30$1d085c42@conspiracy> From: "DJ Kir Kryyn \(Beau D. Simensen\)" To: , , Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:10:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0146_01C11E79.1AAEBD60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Halogen Radio Today! ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C11E79.1AAEBD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We're going to be broadcasting most of this afternoon. We'll be firing = the streaming server up around 2:00 or so... so loook for us then! o http://radio.halogen.org/ DJ Kir Kryyn Beau D. Simensen http://www.dj-kirkryyn.com/ AIM: Kir Kryyn ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C11E79.1AAEBD60-- From sfraves-return-70389-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 20:19:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18847 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 20:19:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18837 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 20:19:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.82.101.130] From: "Audra Olazabal" To: lagistrate@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: PsychoTori@aol.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:19:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 20:19:05.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A4AE980:01C11EB5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (PLEASE READ) A verry discouraging weekend Cliff, sorry to hear you had such a bad experience. Part of the pluses and minuses of the scene becoming more mainstream are the ways in which people typecast based on their early experiences vis a vis mass media. Ask your roomates if they know of ANY scene that doesn't have assholes in it? But along with the assholes there're also the good people...the hard part is seeing people's perceptions of something you love being based on people who's behavior doesn't speak to the reasons you love it. It's a hard lesson to learn...but there is some real value in being discerning about who you associate with. Anyway babe, just wanted to say that i empathize...and it was cool meeting you last week too. Sorry. *audra* <> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70390-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 20:20:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20202 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 20:20:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20192 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 20:20:13 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.94.209.1] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 20:19:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 20:19:43.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[212744A0:01C11EB5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR:Hiring Oracle Professionals Hello list, This is NRR. It is a job posting for Oracle Applications professionals at SGI, formerly Silicon Graphics, Inc. I am currently seeking 2 qualified candidates that have experience deploying, installing, maintaining, and debugging Oracle Applications. If you have experience with RDBMS Oracle 8i or 9i, that would be very helpful. Proficiency with SQL is a must. These are 2-month contract positions through Act 1 technical services,a personnel agency, so you would be paid on an hourly basis. Salary is DOE, but starts at a minimum of 25 dollars/hour. Despite being a large corporation, there is a small family atmosphere here. Perks include free popcorn, 25 cent sodas, snack vending, full-service commissary with a professional staff of chefs, on-site gym, fitness classes, on-site massage therapy, childcare center, beer bashes every Friday, theme days like today which is 80s day...80s music blasting everywhere and I'm dressed as Bon Jovi from his big hair days, the list goes on and on... At SGI, we work very hard but play just as hard. That is our way of life. If you are interested, please email me your resume along with salary requirements to my work email, NOT this email. My work email is: rizwant@sgi.com . Cover letter preferred but not required. More info about SGI can be found at www.sgi.com . Look forward to reviewing some of your resumes. Have a good one. And as always, PLUR! RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "No matter what stage a person is at in life, one thing must remain constant in order to achieve and retain happiness:HAVING FUN!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70391-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 20:27:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28647 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 20:27:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28637 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 20:27:43 -0000 From: "djSyMPLiSTiK" To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:27:40 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c11eb6$3dae5180$a4a3fa18@mozart> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2526.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010806165634.9393.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? How about you chill and let people play what they wanna play? If you want to hear something different, buy yourself a pair of tables and you get out there and show people what you got. Until then, shaddup :) djSyMPLiSTiK hi-nrg / hard house / psytrance > -----Original Message----- > From: CJ [mailto:resourcemusic_usa@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:57 AM > To: DJ Teks; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? > > NRG is the next bandwagon that all the poser ass Dj's > are jumping on. Why? I am not really sure...I do > know this....GET YOUR OWN DAMN STYLE....and no, NRG is > not a new style, it is rehashed from early 'rave' > techno...now it just sucks REALLY bad! Innovative my > ass....It is about as innovative as cybertrance = > sorry and played out! What's next for all you Dj's > who have to play what everbody else is playing?? > Sorry souls... > > vvveeeeerrrr-vveeerrrr, > > cj > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70392-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 20:37:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36632 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 20:37:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36613 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 20:37:10 -0000 Message-ID: <007701c11eb6$cf4373f0$4403de9e@chrisw> From: "daWeasel" To: "Lara" , Cc: "SFRaves" , "Sac Raves List" References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:31:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! This was my argument to Vlad before, but he is such a cold hearted person. I just wonder how much longer the scene has to deal with his coldheartedness. Its hella funny I have never heard any Main people at Clockworkz talk shit about Feelgood or Vlad, yet Mr. Jackass Vlad keeps talking shit, blaming them for not having this and that at his event. Get a life man. You are a fucking looser. Weasel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lara" To: Cc: "SFRaves" ; "Sac Raves List" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! > You know what Vlad, > You call the Mekka promoters losers, when they actually PROMOTED your > party to the list when they were announcing the loss of their line-up. It > was completely out of the control of the promoters, as this was a TOUR and > the people who were making the tour happened CANCELLED. It is not as if > Clockwork intentionally dropped the Mekka tour because they felt like it, > they have no control over that. > I sent an e-mail to them giving them PROPS for saying "there are > still good parties like Megga Buzz going on that weekend" because they > were doing what TRUE promoters in this scene would do - and helped out a > fellow promoter(and otherwise competitor) because their event got > dunked. That doesn't happen, hardly ever, > especially not in the massive scene. They had balls to host the Mekka tour > because they knew good music is good music, and it would have been one > HELL of a line-up - they were SMART, not sell-outs. I am sure they > dropped alot of money to host the Mekka tour out here, as there is alot > of good talent! And don't get me started on the whole "calling the kettle > black" aspect of that issue. > > That comment was in poor taste Vlad and seeing that nothing surprises me > anymore about you, I guess I should have expected it from you. But I > thought you would appreciate their BSP for your party. > > For shame, dissing a crew after they gave your party a free promotion > without you even asking for it. And you wonder why people can't stand you. > > Lara > p.s. Clockwork parties are not among my choice of parties to go to, but I > still believe they handled this situation very well, and like good sports! > > ---- > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > two." > -- Erich Fromm > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > -- Oscar Wilde > > On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Feel Good wrote: > > > I have had a lot of people e-mail me asking why there is no jungle room > > at Megga-Buzz... so before you all get ahead of yourselves... here's the > > deal: > > > > Because MEKKA had such a strong DnB/Hip-Hop Line-up, we figured they > > would pull all the jungle heads... so after long deliberation, we > > decided NOT to have a Jungle Room. This was a hard choice, because > > there has always been jungle at Megga-Buzz, and we have always been > > strong supporters of the music. > > > > However, now that that kharma has caught up to those losers, and they > > got canceled... we regretfully apologize to all those who will be > > deprived of their Jungle fix at Megga-Buzz, because it's to late to > > change our lineup. So sorry... don't blame us for not supporting... > > blame Mekka and blame the opportunist sell out promoters that there is > > no Jungle at Megga-Buzz. > > > > Thanks for understanding... Keep it alive, Vlad > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70393-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 20:43:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40231 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 20:43:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40219 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 20:43:41 -0000 From: "s n r g y" To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:40:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! Why would any want to go to a party that has anything to do with Mystical MayhAm-- yarrow is a scrimitt- who's laughing all the to the bank with your money. Anyone who's working with him today, will eventually hate him because it's only matter of money before he fucks you over this is a public service announcement he's the lowest of the low... On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 Yarrow220@aol.com wrote: > > Saturday August 18, 2001 > > > ELECTRIC NERVE, MYSTICAL MAYHEM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70394-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:04:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59095 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:04:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59084 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:04:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 21:03:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 21:03:54.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D064A20:01C11EBB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Sundance Picnic Thanks + Review I don't follow astrological interpretations too closely but I would have to agree with one thing, I love to entertain and that is what they say Leo's like to do. So it's really no surprise that I wear the promoter's hat with enthusiasm and vigor. Oftentimes you'll see me with a beer in one hand, and a stack of flyers in the other. With all these events that I am involved in, there is always that one thing that I hope as a promoter I can facilitate, and that is for all to come away from a liquidcafe.com event feeling like they had just experienced something really special; feeling like somehow their cheeks were brushed by the gentle wings of angels. The intangibles - that feel-good sensation, that uplifting sense that you can't put into words; the vibe; the experience - these are the things that are important to me. I think it's pretty safe to say Liquidcafe's Sundance Picnic part2 was all of that and more this past weekend. Some 200 people stopped for the festivities throughout the day. In this terribly fragmented underground scene, there is a growing desire to get back to the things that add meaning to our 10 year old movement - namely community, togetherness, and personal interaction. There is a longing to redefine or marquee if you will, each human face lost in a sea of 30,000 peep techno massives, and so-called electronic music festivals. What I experienced at sundance was encouraging. We were husbands, wives, boyfriends, girlfriends, fathers, mothers, kids, friends, dancers, dj's, artists, chefs, connisseurs of all kinds, junglists, househeads, tranceheads, old school, new school, but most of all, we were one. We were family! It was nice to see moms and dads with their kids running around and having a good time and I captured it all on camera. A thousand thanks to all of you, I was not kidding when I said you that come out to liquidcafe events are some of the most beautiful people in the scene - warm, friendly, respectful, caring, funloving. I appreciate you all very much. Thanks to everyone for leaving the park in pristine condition. You all chipped in and thoroughly cleaned up your picnic areas, that goes along way in changing society's impression of who we are. Thank you so much. Special thanks to all the Dj's that donated their time and talents, and my gratitude to the liquidcafe sound and support team, inspite some minor glitches, I have to say the sound system was just fabulous. Thanks to Doug, Becca, Tj, and others for helping out with set up and pull down. Some comments on the performances: I thought for the most part the dj's were putting it out proper. The house dj's shone magnficiently. Dj Rigatony played the set of his life. His opening song took me back a few years (Nuyorican Soul's mongoloid dub) but it electrified the crowd, and got everyone pumped up. Markus, the closing dj, was to follow and he did not disappoint. it was sheer madness when in the middle of a deep perculating house groove, he gently eased in the classic Donna Summer hit "I Feel Love", by this time I completely lost it, and totally got caught up in the euphoria. Ganymede and Mek played some nice trance, to the delight of many. Jungle has to be the big disappointment of the day. Jungle simply did not represent at all yesterday. Starfire's performance for whatever reason was uncharacteristically subpar, Kron Don was a no-show literally, and I thought Frost's set, though all very good tracks, was just too dark and too hard for a park picnic. Dj Cantos takes the title for "up and coming Dj to watch". This dude defies catergorization. He is Trance, but no wait a minute, he is House. he keeps getting better and better everytime I see him. Whatever you want to call his style you gotta call it good and it makes you want to dance! It's deep, groovy and progressive. We have one final Sundance Park picnic slated for September (date not yet determined). Liquidcafe is planning on pulling out all the stops for the last one. So be on the lookout for a slamming lineup with the major genres well represented. I am downloading the pictures of the weekend's picnic. As soon as I get them up on the website I'll let you know. Once again, a thousand thanks to everyone that came out, you made the party an enormous success. Paul Gordon liquidcafe.com "It is one of life's mysteries how an ounce of understanding, cleanses an ocean of mistrust and hate" (The Outer Limits) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70395-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:07:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61653 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:07:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61642 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:07:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806210712.95938.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: FUckFace Johnson To: Robert Warren , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <155f01c11eac$af8dd280$6501a8c0@notebook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Fw: [CogLib] Ecstasy 4-year Mandatory Minimum > Today, Illinois Governor George H. Ryan signed > into law one of the nation's harshest laws > concerning possession of the popular drug Ecstasy > (MDMA). Under the new law, a person convicted of > possessing just 15 doses of Ecstasy in Illinois will > receive a mandatory minimum sentence of 4 years in > prison, up to a maximum of 15 years. 4 years for 15 pills? So what do you do when you're about to get caught and you have 20 on you? Swallow six and have the time of your life at the police department. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70396-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:10:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64171 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:10:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64161 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:10:22 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:09:04 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: leslie@sflnc.com, Fidget of Boomerang Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Envelope-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats lol mean? That's a damn good question, kid. It means "Listen only (to) Leslie" 80~ >sorry if I sound like an idiot but I dont know. > > >What does lol mean? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70397-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:28:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77138 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:28:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77128 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:28:52 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:28:42 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010806212844.FWI24881.femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats lol mean? correct answer. extra points, deep. ;^) leslie > >That's a damn good question, kid. > >It means "Listen only (to) Leslie" > >80~ > > >>sorry if I sound like an idiot but I dont know. >> >> >>What does lol mean? >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70398-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:30:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78690 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:30:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78680 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:30:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Charlie To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The Hotel Trance 4 Incident (Part 1) -Here's what happened- Ok.. I just got off the phone with Jay from Istyly... here is a description from him of what happened and what will be going on concerning refunds.... The Tracy PD were scheduled to do a walk through of the venue every hour on the hour. These walk throughs were to ensure that there were no situations arising and everything was running smooth. 10:00p - The walk through was fine 11:00p - The walk through was fine 12:00a - The walk through was fine 1:00a - The walk through was not ok... The cops pulled Jay aside after the 1am walk through and told him (in not so many words) that they had witnessed something that they found disturbing. They said that the event was fine. There were no fights and everything was peachy except that they saw something (which they wouldn't way it was) that was extremely disturbing. Jay and I speculated that it was either... a) The cops saw someone extremely fucked up in the corner.. b) The cops saw a drug transaction. c) People kicking that green ball around plastering some guy in the corner. The cops said that they were in a bind and that they had to call the fire marshall out to inspect everything. Jay asked them if the fire marshall had anything to do with what they saw and they said no. But they had to do the community a service since it's their job to do so. They were just using the fire marshall as a way of doing what the police didn't want to do.. (shut down the party). The fire marshall came and had a talk with Jay afterwards as well. He said..the capacity is fine.. except.. that people were not going into the rooms. They were crowding into the hallways. And there were also unsafe situations going on and they had to do the community a service. Because everyone was in the hallways and not the rooms, it was considered an unsafe situation. So in a nutshell.. the party was shut down. Now.. Istyly said that to compensate.. They will be doing 2 things... 1) They are already planning an event in which Hotel Trance 4 ticket holders will be compensated for.. 2) They will offer refunds BUT you have to check with the voicemail. Since this is day one of the situation, that is all the information I can offer and the story that happened. If you have any questions..hold on to them. Jay will be around to address them. :o) - Charlie charlie@safemail.com http://www.ravepictures.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70399-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:31:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80724 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:31:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80712 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:31:10 -0000 From: "s n r g y" To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! Why would any want to go to a party that has anything to do with Mystical MayhAm-- yarrow is a scrimitt- who's laughing all the to the bank with your money. Anyone who's working with him today, will eventually hate him because it's only matter of money before he f-u*c*k-s you over this is a public service announcement he's the lowest of the low... On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 Yarrow220@aol.com wrote: > > Saturday August 18, 2001 > > > ELECTRIC NERVE, MYSTICAL MAYHEM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70400-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:32:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82533 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:32:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82520 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:32:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:33:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Charlie To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The Pre-Hotel Trance 4 Incident (Part 2) Hello Everyone. I really don't know how to start this letter so I guess I better start with my story from the beginning. My happy ass was called by the Pleasanton's finest Friday at 10:30ish am. They had called because they heard that I was involved with an "illegal rave" that was suppost to go on in Pleasanton. They informed me that there were no permits filed with the Pleasanton Police department and there better not be an "illegal rave" occuring in their town. Since I was suppost to play at Hotel Trance 4, I had no idea where the location was because Jay hadn't called me yet to inform me where it was at. I told the officer that I didn't know if Istyly's party was to take part in Pleasanton but Jay had told me that they filed permits so it couldn't be in Pleasanton then. The Cop proceeded to threaten me that if I was caught participating in an illegal rave in Pleasanton, there would be serious consequences. At this point I was like.."riiiiiight". Out of no where he just proclaims.. "I know you're tied with Istyly Productions". and I literally said "duhhhh.. i'm spinning for him this weekend sir". I couldn't quite figure out why he thinks that this party was based around me. I finished up the conversation with him and about 2 minutes after I got a call from Nick. Apparently this is what happened on his side...Nick was working until 2 officers showed up at my old work. They were looking for me and since I don't work there anymore.. they came up empty handed. They proceeded to torture nick into giving them my cell phone number and hence that is where they got my number from. I called Jay from Istyly and told him what had happened. He gavce the Pleasanton PD a call and called me back. He told the officers what was going on and how I really had nothing to do with the party and he was the one they should be talking to. Their conversation ws short until later on that evening. Jay talked to them some more and told them to contact the tracy PD and refer to the permits they filed. Everything had checked out.. Permits were filed and everything was set. The PD wasn't really talkative but we did get out of him this.. Some person had called in refering my name specifically saying that I was throwing Hotel Trance 4 for strict profit, and that profit was going to be used to sell drugs, since I was a huge druglord of some sort. Oh and I was going to be selling lots of drugs at Hotel Trance 4. I personally don't know why this person targetted me. But this person also knew where I worked (or used to). I don't know if someone has some weird grudge against me.. but if someone does.. i'd like to know about it. The cops knew nothing about the info line or anything, since the only information they got was that I was a drug dealer, I am istyly (which i'm not), and that I sell drugs. You all are now informed about the almost destruction of this party due to some kid who had some weird grudge against me. I can't say i'm happy about it, but i'd like to know what kinda grudge this person has. Anyways, if you have any questions, you know how to get a hold of me. I think i've done enough blabbing for now. On another note.. the pictures from the Hotel Trance 4 party will be posted when I get the rest from my other photographer. Expect them sometime soon. Thank you for your time, and I hope you're all having a good day. - Charlie charlie@safemail.com http://www.ravepictures.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70401-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:37:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87292 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:37:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87257 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:37:54 -0000 From: "Ranger" To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:37:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! Applaud.. Applaud.. (clap) (clap) (clap) Who says fun can't be dangeraous too.. oh wait.. nobody says that! lol.. Ranger -----Original Message----- From: s n r g y [mailto:snrgy@childrenofthesun.org] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:40 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! Why would any want to go to a party that has anything to do with Mystical MayhAm-- yarrow is a scrimitt- who's laughing all the to the bank with your money. Anyone who's working with him today, will eventually hate him because it's only matter of money before he fucks you over this is a public service announcement he's the lowest of the low... On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 Yarrow220@aol.com wrote: > > Saturday August 18, 2001 > > > ELECTRIC NERVE, MYSTICAL MAYHEM --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70402-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:41:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91117 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:41:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91106 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:41:11 -0000 Message-ID: <004101c11ec0$7b8878a0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "s n r g y" , References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:40:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! What's a scrimitt? Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "s n r g y" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! > Why would any want to go to a party that has anything to do with Mystical > MayhAm-- yarrow is a scrimitt- who's laughing all the to the bank with your > money. Anyone who's working with him today, will eventually hate him because > it's only matter of money before he f-u*c*k-s you over > > > this is a public service announcement > > > he's the lowest of the low... > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 Yarrow220@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Saturday August 18, 2001 > > > > > > ELECTRIC NERVE, MYSTICAL MAYHEM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70403-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:41:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92342 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:41:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92329 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:41:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:41:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Charlie To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The Hotel Trance 4 Incident (Part 1) -Here's what happened- Ok.. I just got off the phone with Jay from Istyly... here is a description from him of what happened and what will be going on concerning refunds.... The Tracy PD were scheduled to do a walk through of the venue every hour on the hour. These walk throughs were to ensure that there were no situations arising and everything was running smooth. 10:00p - The walk through was fine 11:00p - The walk through was fine 12:00a - The walk through was fine 1:00a - The walk through was not ok... The cops pulled Jay aside after the 1am walk through and told him (in not so many words) that they had witnessed something that they found disturbing. They said that the event was fine. There were no fights and everything was peachy except that they saw something (which they wouldn't way it was) that was extremely disturbing. Jay and I speculated that it was either... a) The cops saw someone extremely fudged up in the corner.. b) The cops saw a drug transaction. c) People kicking that green ball around plastering some guy in the corner. The cops said that they were in a bind and that they had to call the fire marshall out to inspect everything. Jay asked them if the fire marshall had anything to do with what they saw and they said no. But they had to do the community a service since it's their job to do so. They were just using the fire marshall as a way of doing what the police didn't want to do.. (shut down the party). The fire marshall came and had a talk with Jay afterwards as well. He said..the capacity is fine.. except.. that people were not going into the rooms. They were crowding into the hallways. And there were also unsafe situations going on and they had to do the community a service. Because everyone was in the hallways and not the rooms, it was considered an unsafe situation. So in a nutshell.. the party was shut down. Now.. Istyly said that to compensate.. They will be doing 2 things... 1) They are already planning an event in which Hotel Trance 4 ticket holders will be compensated for.. 2) They will offer refunds BUT you have to check with the voicemail. Since this is day one of the situation, that is all the information I can offer and the story that happened. If you have any questions..hold on to them. Jay will be around to address them. :o) - Charlie charlie@safemail.com http://www.ravepictures.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70404-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:43:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94496 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:43:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94477 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:43:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806214302.87302.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:43:02 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ~*SUBMERGE*~ Friday(AUG.10.2001)(2 ROOMS/12 Performers) *BSP* Friday, August 10th, 2001 XTORT Presents...*SUBMERGE* It’s time to get deep, it’s time to Submerge into the greatest sounds ever. 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70405-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 21:44:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97522 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 21:44:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97510 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 21:44:44 -0000 Message-ID: <007701c11ec2$3972d440$fbd0fea9@foothill.net> From: "`black-locust'" To: "Mail List (us-junglist)" , "Mail List (dnb arena)" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:53:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C11E87.89035600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] COVERSION drums + bass \ sacramento \ (aug07) ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C11E87.89035600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable many thanks to dj resistance and siren, all the way over from new york city last week! this week is FREE BEFORE 10:00pm 21^=20 and $4.00 after \ $6.00 all night for the 18-20's inside COVERSION: 08.07.2001 a black-locust operation in alliance with circa footwear the founder and resident at club compression, san francisco & the man behind global based argon recordings, respectfully.. HAVOC and then NMAN will do ya'! next week is the phunckateck\locust psychosis, with sage and tofu de la moore.. free before 10:00pm. =20 COVERSION \ drums + bass every tuesday inside the rage 1890 arden way, sacramento 10pm - 2am \ 18^ \ f. bar 21+ dollar drink specials all night! www.c1rcapresents.com www.circafootwear.com ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C11E87.89035600-- From sfraves-return-70406-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 22:03:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12031 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 22:03:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12019 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 22:03:44 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:03:33 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010806220335.QPOM21723.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] what threatens our scene - leslie's rant reading charlie's account of being tracked down by police regarding a party, and then his learning that the cause of the attention was a call to the police targeting him as a criminal -- i cringe. reading the party review of trance hotel that describes kids of 11 and 12 there, and on substances -- i cringe. reading the recent flaming of one promoter by another on this list and seeing the immature level of a few other conversations re promoter responsibility -- i cringe. reading a real account of the raid on a peaceful camping party in missouri (see http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2001-07-25/radarstation.html) about police searching and terrorizing a peaceful group of campers with their kids -- i cringe. people, we must wake up here. our entire subculture is under scrutiny by our government. it will take a unified presence, a strong and powerful message that real rave culture is NOT about children taking drugs. because it isn't. this isn't some pr strategy or marketing message -- THIS IS THE TRUTH. for each of the youngsters who think "wow, i'm going to be cool this weekend and go to this party and get fucked up with my friends" there are ten responsible adults for whom this music, and this lifestyle where we gather together to talk, dance, care for each other, is a part of our life that we cannot allow to be taken away. promoters who cut corners and hope it isn't noticed later, you are responsible for the negative attention to our scene. OUR scene. promoters who think that the game is to "one-up" your "competition" by badmouthing them or sabotaging their events, you are responsible for the loss of something truly beautiful. you are criminal in your actions, even though you think you're just defending your crew, you are in fact poisoning us from within. partygoers who think that a rave is somewhere where you are safe to risk your life, and the lives of others, by doing things irresponsibly, you are responsible for risking the loss of global movement for positive change. what are you thinking? the rave scene is a refuge from the problems of the outside world, not a place to create a whole new set of problems generated by your poor judgment. and now we have an "informant" trying to get a party busted before it starts -- are you all not aware that we have police who are being trained that everything about a rave is really about adolescents wanting to take drugs? -- and from the recent account, we have promoters who are allowing youngsters into a venue knowing that the police will be walking through every hour, and not creating a way to monitor and educate these kids, nor apparently having enough crew to have a hall monitor to keep the halls cleared (yes, kids, overcrowding is exactly why most parties are shut down). that is immature and a clear lack of knowledge at how to manage an event -- which you already KNOW will be inspected every hour! get it. our scene has no room for error any more. whatever happens wrong will be used against you and that means US. and now we are seeing promoters who are responding to the pressure by becoming more protective of your "turf" and worrying about your financial survival first -- at the expense of partygoers -- putting the population of our subculture at risk. it's like watching the ants scurry when the log is lifted -- suddenly without the protection of darkness, chaos reigns. i spent my weekend in paradise with a large family of people who have been doing this together for many years. we absolutely know that music is what draws us together, and real relationships and respect for each other is what keeps us together. there's nothing magic about it, and there's everything magic about it -- it just means always remembering that it's never about money first, it's never about "winning" or putting someone else down. it's about creating a new way of being in the world. it's about dancing together, being yourself, and looking after your family. i invite each and every person who's reading this to look at yourself and see what you may have done to contribute to our problems -- and what you can do to help unify our culture. sfr drama will come and go -- we'll always have the few loose screws who love that we tolerate their meaningless gibberish on the list, or those folks who actually think that we want them to insult someone else's musical styles and then we'll think they must be very very smart or knowledgeable (um, hint: no, we don't) -- but this list is not the whole scene -- although we can use it to make positive change. the real scene is in trouble, they are watching us -- and now is the time to let the impact of that hit you. if we do not work together, if we do not get past our factions and separations, then it will be impossible to have a damned party with your friends where you get to dance all night. i'm not going to let that happen -- are you?? leslie ---------- >From: Charlie >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] The Pre-Hotel Trance 4 Incident (Part 2) >Date: Mon, Aug 6, 2001, 2:33 PM > >Hello Everyone. > >I really don't know how to start this letter so I guess I better start >with my story from the beginning. My happy ass was called by the >Pleasanton's finest Friday at 10:30ish am. They had called because they >heard that I was involved with an "illegal rave" that was suppost to go on >in Pleasanton. They informed me that there were no permits filed with the >Pleasanton Police department and there better not be an "illegal rave" >occuring in their town. Since I was suppost to play at Hotel Trance 4, I >had no idea where the location was because Jay hadn't called me yet to >inform me where it was at. I told the officer that I didn't know if >Istyly's party was to take part in Pleasanton but Jay had told me that >they filed permits so it couldn't be in Pleasanton then. The Cop >proceeded to threaten me that if I was caught participating in an illegal >rave in Pleasanton, there would be serious consequences. At this point I >was like.."riiiiiight". Out of no where he just proclaims.. "I know >you're tied with Istyly Productions". and I literally said "duhhhh.. i'm >spinning for him this weekend sir". I couldn't quite figure out why he >thinks that this party was based around me. I finished up the >conversation with him and about 2 minutes after I got a call from Nick. >Apparently this is what happened on his side...Nick was working until 2 >officers showed up at my old work. They were looking for me and since I >don't work there anymore.. they came up empty handed. They proceeded to >torture nick into giving them my cell phone number and hence that is where >they got my number from. > >I called Jay from Istyly and told him what had happened. He gavce the >Pleasanton PD a call and called me back. He told the officers what was >going on and how I really had nothing to do with the party and he was the >one they should be talking to. Their conversation ws short until later on >that evening. Jay talked to them some more and told them to contact the >tracy PD and refer to the permits they filed. Everything had checked >out.. Permits were filed and everything was set. The PD wasn't really >talkative but we did get out of him this.. >Some person had called in refering my name specifically saying that I was >throwing Hotel Trance 4 for strict profit, and that profit was going to be >used to sell drugs, since I was a huge druglord of some sort. Oh and I >was going to be selling lots of drugs at Hotel Trance 4. > >I personally don't know why this person targetted me. But this person >also knew where I worked (or used to). I don't know if someone has some >weird grudge against me.. but if someone does.. i'd like to know about it. >The cops knew nothing about the info line or anything, since the only >information they got was that I was a drug dealer, I am istyly (which i'm >not), and that I sell drugs. > >You all are now informed about the almost destruction of this party due to >some kid who had some weird grudge against me. I can't say i'm happy >about it, but i'd like to know what kinda grudge this person has. >Anyways, if you have any questions, you know how to get a hold of me. I >think i've done enough blabbing for now. > >On another note.. the pictures from the Hotel Trance 4 party will be >posted when I get the rest from my other photographer. Expect them >sometime soon. Thank you for your time, and I hope you're all having a >good day. > > >- Charlie >charlie@safemail.com >http://www.ravepictures.net > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70407-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 22:17:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22706 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 22:17:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22696 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 22:17:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806221754.66159.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:17:54 -0700 (PDT) From: CJ To: djSyMPLiSTiK , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <002301c11eb6$3dae5180$a4a3fa18@mozart> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? > If you want to hear something different, buy > yourself a pair of tables > and you get out there and show people what you got. Hmmmmm...sounds like I need to go get a pair of decks and show peeps what I got... > > Until then, shaddup :) Where have you been for the past 10 years??? > djSyMPLiSTiK > hi-nrg / hard house / psytrance hi-nrg....like Stevie B, Johnny O and Spanish Fly?? nice one, chris jackson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70408-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 22:34:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31592 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 22:34:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31582 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 22:34:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.250.160.189] From: "Crazy Fox" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: djmariano@yahoo.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:34:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 22:34:28.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3EF5C80:01C11EC7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd: Mariano demos free to next 16 respondents I am making this post on Mariano's behalf. Please mail your address to MARIANO (Not me!) at djmariano@yahoo.com -- the first sixteen people to do so from this list will get a free demo tape. Forwarded message follows. >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:25:47 -0700 (PDT) >From: Mariano jones >To: >Subject: Re: Psytrance demo > >could you do me a favor to can you make a post on sf >raves for me saying that the first 16 people to email >will get a free demo with no coast what so ever make >sure to incude that they leave their address thank so >much it's been over a week and they haven't subscribe >me yet, so email me with an address ok THNX. Mari > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70409-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 22:38:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33745 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 22:38:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33734 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 22:38:11 -0000 From: "s n r g y" To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:35:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! Scrimmit is a special nickname I've been using for months it was invented souly for the greasy, manipulative, money hungry- yarrow.. i could throw him pretty far, but I still wouldn't trust him scrimmit has such a ring to it and it fits so well.. my feelings would be hurt if someone called me a scrimmit (and it fit) so, look at yarrow- think scrimmit and it'll all come together for you. It's one of those working definitions that's right oldskool right here p, dawgs On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Ecko wrote: > What's a scrimitt? > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "s n r g y" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! > > > > Why would any want to go to a party that has anything to do with Mystical > > MayhAm-- yarrow is a scrimitt- who's laughing all the to the bank with > your > > money. Anyone who's working with him today, will eventually hate him > because > > it's only matter of money before he f-u*c*k-s you over > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70410-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 06 22:38:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34080 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Aug 2001 22:38:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34049 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 22:38:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806223812.1076.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:38:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: comments@globalparty.com, SFRaves , Sac Raves List In-Reply-To: <3B6E115F.CE4219A6@globalparty.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1132270248-997137492=:98093" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! --0-1132270248-997137492=:98093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>This was a hard choice, because there has always been jungle at Megga-Buzz, and we have always been strong supporters of the >>music. "Strong" supporters of jungle music almost always nix jungle from the lineup because they are afraid they won't get the draw($). That's a good one man. >>So sorry... don't blame us for not supporting...blame Mekka and blame the opportunist sell out promoters that there is >>no Jungle at Megga-Buzz. There is nothing for you to support. Jungle will live without you....but will you live without jungle? I think that question just runs through my mind a lot, probably has nothing to do with this thread. (stop blaming) Jess J Feel Good wrote: I have had a lot of people e-mail me asking why there is no jungle room at Megga-Buzz... so before you all get ahead of yourselves... here's the deal: Because MEKKA had such a strong DnB/Hip-Hop Line-up, we figured they would pull all the jungle heads... so after long deliberation, we decided NOT to have a Jungle Room. However, now that that kharma has caught up to those losers, and they got canceled... we regretfully apologize to all those who will be deprived of their Jungle fix at Megga-Buzz, because it's to late to change our lineup. So sorry... don't blame us for not supporting... blame Mekka and blame the opportunist sell out promoters that there is no Jungle at Megga-Buzz. Thanks for understanding... Keep it alive, Vlad --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1132270248-997137492=:98093-- From sfraves-return-70411-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 01:52:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4724 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 01:51:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4568 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 01:51:46 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:17:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? I've thought about this question for awhile, and here are some elements I think existed back when the rave subculture began ten years ago that might be valuable areas to consider as we have this continuing discussion concerning what's wrong with the community today and where we want to take it in future. 1. SPIRITUALITY The early rave subculture was heavily invested, at least in my experience, in a kind of non-denominational spirituality that did much to insure the quality of the vibe at parties and was responsible for much of the talk about "transformative life experiences" people used to have at raves. I'm not talking here about some codified religion or, even, the necessity for participants to believe in a deity. There were many atheists in the early scene. I felt there was some common belief, however, in the necessity for some inner work -- meditation, self-actualization, opening of the soul -- that should occur within the group of dancers and DJs to create that special vibe which used to take us all to "heaven." Specifically. Many parties used to have time set aside for a group meditation exercise, to bring folks together, as well as a sort of invocation that would express what the party hoped to achieve. This was also a good time to impart to newbies some of the values of the party and the scene, and it certainly helped much to achieve the tribal unity that characterized most of these events. Some families and parties still do this. The Radiance family stops the party around twelve for meditation and invocation. Imagine's party a year ago began with what they called an "old school" exercise: group bonding through meditation. The Ambient Groove Temple devotes a large portion of each party to spiritual exercises and "instruction." And most of the old school parties supported these activities with much spiritual symbology and imagery, mostly Buddhist. There was an altar with flowers, a Buddha, incense, candles, and gifts people would bring to the altar. The intention of the party was, therefore, made clear to everyone. This was not a drug fest; it was not just about the music. This was a "rave," a very special magical, spiritual event that through the great fun of dance and music took participants to another level, a very valuable level, of existence. The spirituality was pretty much eliminated when the commercial scene began. And to my mind, that's when many of our problems began. Raves were "secularized" and the advertising message to newbies was, and is, DJs, music and little else. It disturbs me when people in our community condemn the "kids" for irresponsible behaviors and destructive drug use. I think everyone who seeks out "raving" is looking for some meaningful change in life. The commercial scene gives them nothing but music, and the rest of the shit happens because there is no other content but music. The music is certainly a core element of our community, but without the "vibe" it's can be pretty empty and disappointing. So, one takes another pill. 2. CIVILITY I think there has been a deterioration of civility in general in society. Many things are responsible for this: migration of competitive business amorality into everyday behavior; lack of personal values; the glorification of aggression and violence. Whatever. At the early parties a certain code of respectful, loving behavior was promoted. I came to raves from the club environment where it was often the standard to push oneself through a dance floor and aggressively maintain one's dance spot with elbows, bag or purse on the floor. Then there is the terrible disco-gang-chain where you and your friends link hands and rush through the crowd of dancers, brushing all resistance aside, and claim some territory on the floor. Just like life outside. Right. Now civility and spirituality are connected, and I got the message early on that a good party had more smiles and hugs than attitude and shoves. When you want to go into a crowded dance area, for example, the good thing to do is to put a smile on your face, look right at and into people (make a lot of friends that way and it makes them feel good) and gently touch them as if they are a friend, letting them know you are moving through. Takes some time, but this has a great effect on the vibe. If the floor is overly crowded and vigorous arm work causes others unhappiness, then you find some way to move with the rest so that everyone can dance. All this is done with encouraging smiles and respect for the other dancers. When you're in a room full of dancers with the same respectful, loving values it is heaven on earth, believe me folks. 3. DIVERSITY OF AGE The subculture these days is split into two groups, I think. The newer, commercial scene which is mostly under 25 and the older rave culture, which most of the younger people don't know about, where there is much more diversity in age and, really, lots of other things including music. The two groups rarely come together. The early subculture was truly a family or community because there were older and well as younger people at parties thus making it possible for transmission of values, role modeling, and other interactions between young and old that help insure continuity in a subculture and certain standards of behavior like responsible substance use. Again, the commercial scene to my mind is pretty much responsible for the homogeneity of the mainstream "rave" culture -- young to very young kids with no sense of what preceded them and no one to talk to about it -- in demographic and lack of diverse musical content. If we wish to thrive in the midst of all this oppression, internal division, and poor behavior then we have to build a genuine family again with all ages well-represented. 4. SOME SHARED BELIEF SYSTEM AS A COMMUNITY I used to think, and perhaps it was just me, that we were cultural revolutionaries, building a new world where music and dance would change souls for the better and that these souls would make the mainstream culture a better place for all to lead more fulfilling, self-aware, non-commodified lives. Commerce did much, again, to take away the revolutionary aspect and focus attention on the music alone. The DJ is no longer a shaman but a product that is hyped and sold. Dancers share no common values or beliefs. PLUR has become for many a t-shirt slogan. So we have what we have. A consumable product like any other product. Boring. Predictable. Rife with poor behavior, amoral business ethics, and many jaded, unhappy people. To move from this rather unhappy situation into some better place we have to begin thinking seriously about what we do believe. If this is just entertainment, well have it. HBO, MTV and raves. For me, and for others, this community was, and can be, much more. A powerful force for change. Love, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70412-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 02:15:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1709 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 02:15:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1694 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 02:15:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c11ee5$104647f0$4403de9e@chrisw> From: "daWeasel" To: , , "SFRaves" References: <20010806223812.1076.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:02:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! I hate it when people have to post blame on others for their stupidity. I love watching Vlad get beat up on this issue on both SFraves and SACRaves... He just has no respect for the community, and especially for others. He only cares about himself. PLUR, Weasel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess ica" To: ; "SFRaves" ; "Sac Raves List" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! > > >>This was a hard choice, because there has always been jungle at Megga-Buzz, and we have always been strong supporters of the >>music. > > "Strong" supporters of jungle music almost always nix jungle from the lineup because they are afraid they won't get the draw($). > > That's a good one man. > > >>So sorry... don't blame us for not supporting...blame Mekka and blame the opportunist sell out promoters that there is > >>no Jungle at Megga-Buzz. > > There is nothing for you to support. Jungle will live without you....but will you live without jungle? > > I think that question just runs through my mind a lot, probably has nothing to do with this thread. > > (stop blaming) > > Jess > > > > > > J > > Feel Good wrote: I have had a lot of people e-mail me asking why there is no jungle room > at Megga-Buzz... so before you all get ahead of yourselves... here's the > deal: > > Because MEKKA had such a strong DnB/Hip-Hop Line-up, we figured they > would pull all the jungle heads... so after long deliberation, we > decided NOT to have a Jungle Room. > However, now that that kharma has caught up to those losers, and they > got canceled... we regretfully apologize to all those who will be > deprived of their Jungle fix at Megga-Buzz, because it's to late to > change our lineup. So sorry... don't blame us for not supporting... > blame Mekka and blame the opportunist sell out promoters that there is > no Jungle at Megga-Buzz. > > Thanks for understanding... Keep it alive, Vlad > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70413-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 02:16:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2549 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 02:16:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2539 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 02:16:49 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Cc: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:42:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <8f.e50de39.289ef4b4@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? I've thought about this question for awhile, and here are some elements I think existed back when the rave subculture began ten years ago that might be valuable areas to consider as we have this continuing discussion concerning what's wrong with the community today and where we want to take it in future. 1. SPIRITUALITY The early rave subculture was heavily invested, at least in my experience, in a kind of non-denominational spirituality that did much to insure the quality of the vibe at parties and was responsible for much of the talk about "transformative life experiences" people used to have at raves. I'm not talking here about some codified religion or, even, the necessity for participants to believe in a deity. There were many atheists in the early scene. I felt there was some common belief, however, in the necessity for some inner work -- meditation, self-actualization, opening of the soul -- that should occur within the group of dancers and DJs to create that special vibe which used to take us all to "heaven." Specifically. Many parties used to have time set aside for a group meditation exercise, to bring folks together, as well as a sort of invocation that would express what the party hoped to achieve. This was also a good time to impart to newbies some of the values of the party and the scene, and it certainly helped much to achieve the tribal unity that characterized most of these events. Some families and parties still do this. The Radiance family stops the party around twelve for meditation and invocation. Imagine's party a year ago began with what they called an "old school" exercise: group bonding through meditation. The Ambient Groove Temple devotes a large portion of each party to spiritual exercises and "instruction." And most of the old school parties supported these activities with much spiritual symbology and imagery, mostly Buddhist. There was an altar with flowers, a Buddha, incense, candles, and gifts people would bring to the altar. The intention of the party was, therefore, made clear to everyone. This was not a drug fest; it was not just about the music. This was a "rave," a very special magical, spiritual event that through the great fun of dance and music took participants to another level, a very valuable level, of existence. The spirituality was pretty much eliminated when the commercial scene began. And to my mind, that's when many of our problems began. Raves were "secularized" and the advertising message to newbies was, and is, DJs, music and little else. It disturbs me when people in our community condemn the "kids" for irresponsible behaviors and destructive drug use. I think everyone who seeks out "raving" is looking for some meaningful change in life. The commercial scene gives them nothing but music, and the rest of the shit happens because there is no other content but music. The music is certainly a core element of our community, but without the "vibe" it's can be pretty empty and disappointing. So, one takes another pill. 2. CIVILITY I think there has been a deterioration of civility in general in society. Many things are responsible for this: migration of competitive business amorality into everyday behavior; lack of personal values; the glorification of aggression and violence. Whatever. At the early parties a certain code of respectful, loving behavior was promoted. I came to raves from the club environment where it was often the standard to push oneself through a dance floor and aggressively maintain one's dance spot with elbows, bag or purse on the floor. Then there is the terrible disco-gang-chain where you and your friends link hands and rush through the crowd of dancers, brushing all resistance aside, and claim some territory on the floor. Just like life outside. Right. Now civility and spirituality are connected, and I got the message early on that a good party had more smiles and hugs than attitude and shoves. When you want to go into a crowded dance area, for example, the good thing to do is to put a smile on your face, look right at and into people (make a lot of friends that way and it makes them feel good) and gently touch them as if they are a friend, letting them know you are moving through. Takes some time, but this has a great effect on the vibe. If the floor is overly crowded and vigorous arm work causes others unhappiness, then you find some way to move with the rest so that everyone can dance. All this is done with encouraging smiles and respect for the other dancers. When you're in a room full of dancers with the same respectful, loving values it is heaven on earth, believe me folks. 3. DIVERSITY OF AGE The subculture these days is split into two groups, I think. The newer, commercial scene which is mostly under 25 and the older rave culture, which most of the younger people don't know about, where there is much more diversity in age and, really, lots of other things including music. The two groups rarely come together. The early subculture was truly a family or community because there were older and well as younger people at parties thus making it possible for transmission of values, role modeling, and other interactions between young and old that help insure continuity in a subculture and certain standards of behavior like responsible substance use. Again, the commercial scene to my mind is pretty much responsible for the homogeneity of the mainstream "rave" culture -- young to very young kids with no sense of what preceded them and no one to talk to about it -- in demographic and lack of diverse musical content. If we wish to thrive in the midst of all this oppression, internal division, and poor behavior then we have to build a genuine family again with all ages well-represented. 4. SOME SHARED BELIEF SYSTEM AS A COMMUNITY I used to think, and perhaps it was just me, that we were cultural revolutionaries, building a new world where music and dance would change souls for the better and that these souls would make the mainstream culture a better place for all to lead more fulfilling, self-aware, non-commodified lives. Commerce did much, again, to take away the revolutionary aspect and focus attention on the music alone. The DJ is no longer a shaman but a product that is hyped and sold. Dancers share no common values or beliefs. PLUR has become for many a t-shirt slogan. So we have what we have. A consumable product like any other product. Boring. Predictable. Rife with poor behavior, amoral business ethics, and many jaded, unhappy people. To move from this rather unhappy situation into some better place we have to begin thinking seriously about what we do believe. If this is just entertainment, well have it. HBO, MTV and raves. For me, and for others, this community was, and can be, much more. A powerful force for change. Love, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70414-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 02:44:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17114 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 02:44:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17104 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 02:44:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: John Adams X-Sender: jna@cornea To: Apollo cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Apollo wrote: > 1. SPIRITUALITY > > The early rave subculture was heavily invested, at least in my experience, > in a kind of non-denominational spirituality that did much to insure the > quality of the vibe at parties and was responsible for much of the talk > about "transformative life experiences" people used to have at raves. I think most of that is mindless e-babble. Yes, meeting lots of people and forming close friendships is great, but all of the babbling about 'transformative life experience' is just insane. What it comes down to is that you're at a party with your friends, you're having a great time, and you're meeting new people. Transforming your life? Dobutful. > Specifically. Many parties used to have time set aside for a group > meditation exercise, to bring folks together, as well as a sort of > invocation that would express what the party hoped to achieve. This was > also a good time to impart to newbies some of the values of the party and > the scene, and it certainly helped much to achieve the tribal unity that > characterized most of these events. Some families and parties still do > this. The Radiance family stops the party around twelve for meditation and > invocation. Imagine's party a year ago began with what they called an "old > school" exercise: group bonding through meditation. The Ambient Groove > Temple devotes a large portion of each party to spiritual exercises and > "instruction." I'd find this incredibly disruptive to my experience if the evening was broken up this by neo-hippie BS. Keep your religion at home -- aside from PLUR, most people just to dance. > 2. CIVILITY > > I think there has been a deterioration of civility in general in society. > Many things are responsible for this: migration of competitive business > amorality into everyday behavior; lack of personal values; the > glorification of aggression and violence. Whatever. Here I agree with you. The civility has completely GONE from the SF scene. I remember going to parties in NY and other cities, in the early 90's, and people actually respected each other. One of the reasons why I haven't bothered much with the SF rave/techno/trance scene lately is because every single time I go out, it's a damn meat market. Electronic music has become extremely popuplar, and the 'rave' movement is no longer a secular event -- it's a mainstream thing to do, and it fosters this meat-market attitude. > The subculture these days is split into two groups, I think. The newer, > commercial scene which is mostly under 25 and the older rave culture, which > most of the younger people don't know about, where there is much more > diversity in age and, really, lots of other things including music. The two > groups rarely come together. I'd actually say that people at SF parties are much older. The bay area is where club kids frmo the rest of the coutnry go to die. (I'm from Boston -- that's a younger scene; lots of college kids) > Again, the commercial scene to my mind is pretty much responsible for the > homogeneity of the mainstream "rave" culture -- young to very young kids > with no sense of what preceded them and no one to talk to about it -- in > demographic and lack of diverse musical content. Just don't go to commercial events. -john -- J. Adams http://www.retina.net/~jna ... and god divided the light from the darkness, and god called the light day and the darkness he called night... and god created man, and man created machine; and machine, machine created music, and the machine saw everything it had made, and it said, "Behold." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70415-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 02:51:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26642 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 02:51:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26632 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 02:51:43 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:17:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (FWD) Tunnel and Limelight up for auction Popular NYC nightclubs to be auctioned By Associated Press NEW YORK, August 6 - Two Manhattan nightclubs that have long been trouble spots with police and New York City officials will be auctioned, according to a published report. The clubs, the Tunnel and Limelight, will be auctioned off to the highest bidder in U.S. Bankruptcy Court on Aug. 13. Peter Gatien, who owns the troubled nightclubs, has said he is ready to end his years-long battle with City Hall. City officials have complained that the Tunnel is a magnet for drugs and violence. In April, a 16-year-old patron was stabbed to death in a parking lot near the Tunnel. Two years ago, an 18-year-old died of a drug overdose there. The Chelsea nightspot has become a central target in Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's aggressive nightclub enforcement effort. Before bankruptcy Judge Robert Gerber ordered the auction sale, Gatien said in June that he was ready to sell the Tunnel privately and move on -- needing to pay off taxes he owes the state. Gatien's debt includes more than $5.7 million in state taxes and $2 million in back rent. Gatien doesn't own the buildings, but the court will sell the club's names, leases, equipment and liquor licenses. http://www.msnbc.com/local/wnbc/nbcb1w982qc.asp?cp1=1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70416-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 02:58:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35548 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 02:58:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35510 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 02:58:15 -0000 Message-ID: <412001816234241810@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: samanafshar@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.05.11 (Windows) From: "Saman Afshar" To: "SacR" , "SFR" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:42:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Come one come all! This is going to be an intimate party in your backyard. The first 100 people that buy both tickets gets a free cd or mix tape of your choice. August 17 (Friday) - Man in the Moon: Double Bumper Special by T J Factory Thomas Trouble, Paul Grogan - LA (Rampant records/Slinkey), DJ Ghost, Frank Nitty, Joey Mazzola, Denise A.K.A DJ D, Simon Apex, Ton:e, Alias, DJ Grant, Disko Shawn, O'siris, Hydro, Swingin dick(The golfer), Malcom E. As always, we will be maintaining our trademark tight knit family feel and keeping it small (500 people). Very local, til 5am, 18+. Presales are $20 or $35 + free CD or tape "2 party deal" for Man in the Moon and Tickle (Aug 25). Call 415.267.4815 August 25 (Friday) – Tickle 2001 by T J Factory Thomas Trouble, Frenchie Le Freak (France), DJ Boolie (Ireland), Joey Mazzola, Ton:e, DJ Ghost, Frank Nitty, Gianni, Morgan, Enemy, Boogie, DJ Grant, DJ Girlie, Jess, DJ TBA. 9pm - 5am / 18+ Presales are $20 or $35 + free CD or tape "2 party deal" for Tickle 2001 and Man in the Moon (Aug 17). Call 415.267.4815 --- Saman Afshar --- samanafshar@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From sfraves-return-70417-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 03:01:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39026 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 03:01:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38983 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 03:01:28 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: "leslie ayres" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.15] Message-Id: <20010806233211.B444536F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats lol mean? Hello 2Day!! I Loke that Answer Deep!! LOl I mean, LMAO!! OK, Hello 2Day! --- "leslie ayres" > wrote: >correct answer. extra points, deep. > >;^) > >leslie > > >> > >>That's a damn good question, kid. >> >>It means "Listen only (to) Leslie" >> >>80~ >> >> >>>sorry if I sound like an idiot but I dont know. >>> >>> >>>What does lol mean? >>> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70418-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 03:13:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52451 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 03:13:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52438 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 03:13:18 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010806233211.B444536F9@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20010806233211.B444536F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:11:34 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats lol mean? osby, if more people were like you, places like Peet's Coffee would=20 go out of business. ;] >Hello 2Day!! I Loke that Answer Deep!! LOl I mean, LMAO!! OK, Hello 2Da= y! > >--- "leslie ayres" >=20 > wrote: >=20 >correct answer. extra points, deep. >=20 > >=20 >;^) >=20 > >=20 >leslie >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >> >=20 > >=20 >>That's a damn good question, kid. >=20 >> >=20 >>It means "Listen only (to) Leslie" >=20 >> >=20 >>80~ >=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >>>sorry if I sound like an idiot but I dont know. >=20 >>> >=20 >>> >=20 >>>What does lol mean? >=20 >>> >=20 > >=20 >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >=20 >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >=3D=3D >Later {8O) >Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O=A7BY > >_____________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70419-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 03:31:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69584 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 03:31:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69574 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 03:31:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806233146.73345.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:31:46 -0700 (PDT) From: J E S T - O N E To: SFRaves Mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-590186809-997140706=:72779" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? --0-590186809-997140706=:72779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NRG is for the bounce-bounce kids. I used to play that shit about 4 years ago when it was still somewhat in the dark, and when all the "old school NRG djs" were still unknown and playing hard trance. But i liked the deep dark hard tunes almost like hard trance core. Now its just a bunch of bouncey-bounce basslines and synths. Its really nothing new, just played out. And i've never been one for bounce-bounce tunes. Actually, i think it sucks too. Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:04:30 -0700 To: "CJ" , "DJ Teks" , From: "Ecko" Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? Message-ID: <000f01c11e99$e80759f0$280110ac@nick> Not every dj jumped on the bandwagon..And there is a lot of good NRG out there. The thing is most of the dj's out there only play the anthems. There is some really good dark hard hitting NRG and HardHouse just gota know what to look for. But basically any old school trace dj that is now playing NRG is a pozer or any other old school dj the switched up to get some love is a pozer. You gota go see Morgan, Kemical Kidd, Uphonic and all the other old school NRG dj's. NRG is nothing like techno, so your way off when you make that statement. A lot of old school sounds are being used but in new songs so there is no way you can compare the two. You cant tell me cuz you hear a snare in NRG they they are stealing from house now and NRG is just like something else. I agree it sucks ass that every dj is trying to be an NRG dj now, but the good ones know how to take it from HardHouse to NRG to Acid Trace to Techno. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-590186809-997140706=:72779-- From sfraves-return-70420-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 03:32:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70919 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 03:32:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70909 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 03:32:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.6.195] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: charlief@cyberspace.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 03:32:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 03:32:04.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[874A2720:01C11EF1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Pre-Hotel Trance 4 Incident (Part 2) Charlie the druglord? Charlie the criminal? ARE YOU @#%*ING KIDDIN ME? RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "No matter what stage a person is at in life, one thing must remain constant in order to achieve and retain happiness:HAVING FUN!" >From: Charlie >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] The Pre-Hotel Trance 4 Incident (Part 2) >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:33:09 -0400 (EDT) > >Hello Everyone. > >I really don't know how to start this letter so I guess I better start >with my story from the beginning. My happy ass was called by the >Pleasanton's finest Friday at 10:30ish am. They had called because they >heard that I was involved with an "illegal rave" that was suppost to go on >in Pleasanton. They informed me that there were no permits filed with the >Pleasanton Police department and there better not be an "illegal rave" >occuring in their town. Since I was suppost to play at Hotel Trance 4, I >had no idea where the location was because Jay hadn't called me yet to >inform me where it was at. I told the officer that I didn't know if >Istyly's party was to take part in Pleasanton but Jay had told me that >they filed permits so it couldn't be in Pleasanton then. The Cop >proceeded to threaten me that if I was caught participating in an illegal >rave in Pleasanton, there would be serious consequences. At this point I >was like.."riiiiiight". Out of no where he just proclaims.. "I know >you're tied with Istyly Productions". and I literally said "duhhhh.. i'm >spinning for him this weekend sir". I couldn't quite figure out why he >thinks that this party was based around me. I finished up the >conversation with him and about 2 minutes after I got a call from Nick. >Apparently this is what happened on his side...Nick was working until 2 >officers showed up at my old work. They were looking for me and since I >don't work there anymore.. they came up empty handed. They proceeded to >torture nick into giving them my cell phone number and hence that is where >they got my number from. > >I called Jay from Istyly and told him what had happened. He gavce the >Pleasanton PD a call and called me back. He told the officers what was >going on and how I really had nothing to do with the party and he was the >one they should be talking to. Their conversation ws short until later on >that evening. Jay talked to them some more and told them to contact the >tracy PD and refer to the permits they filed. Everything had checked >out.. Permits were filed and everything was set. The PD wasn't really >talkative but we did get out of him this.. >Some person had called in refering my name specifically saying that I was >throwing Hotel Trance 4 for strict profit, and that profit was going to be >used to sell drugs, since I was a huge druglord of some sort. Oh and I >was going to be selling lots of drugs at Hotel Trance 4. > >I personally don't know why this person targetted me. But this person >also knew where I worked (or used to). I don't know if someone has some >weird grudge against me.. but if someone does.. i'd like to know about it. >The cops knew nothing about the info line or anything, since the only >information they got was that I was a drug dealer, I am istyly (which i'm >not), and that I sell drugs. > >You all are now informed about the almost destruction of this party due to >some kid who had some weird grudge against me. I can't say i'm happy >about it, but i'd like to know what kinda grudge this person has. >Anyways, if you have any questions, you know how to get a hold of me. I >think i've done enough blabbing for now. > >On another note.. the pictures from the Hotel Trance 4 party will be >posted when I get the rest from my other photographer. Expect them >sometime soon. Thank you for your time, and I hope you're all having a >good day. > > >- Charlie >charlie@safemail.com >http://www.ravepictures.net > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70421-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 03:51:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88063 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 03:51:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88053 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 03:51:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:51:27 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? I think what's missing is a sense of DIY (do it yourself, for those of you with any questions, there's an awesome little DIY section on www.hyperreal.org with lots of comments about what to look out for with throwing your first party, firsthand accounts of people's first attempts... including parties that were the bomb, and others that um... bombed). The ability of people to throw their own party is a great policing force in the rave scene. When parties get so bad that people could do better themselves, they should! But I don't see many new crews doing it with that mindset, I see a lot of folks trying to make a buck. There seem to be few families that throw exactly the party they want for themselves as a group and not for the benefit of just one or two people. If everybody who really cared about the scene helped make a couple great parties a year possible, the scene would still have problems, but nothing like what we have now. The reason this helps preserve the good side of parties is because while many of us support parties with more money than ever, there is no guarantee that the money is going to Djs or space or lights or in any way improving the actual event or your experience. If you look at the budgets for large commercial events, less of your ticket price goes towards the actual party you'll experience as permit fees, flyer costs and the amount of rooms you'll never make it to go up... but if you pulled up your sleeves and were willing to work helping out somehow, you better believe that goes towards the improvement of the party. When you work on it yourself, you know that your contribution is not going to end up in someone's pocket. You don't get problems like vandalism, violence and blatant disrespect quite as often when everybody is either helping throw the party or were invited by someone who is. You don't get these massive egos and asshole behavior when everybody is working towards the same goal with equal vigor. Right now, we're so locked into the whole promoter/attendee model that many of us just have forgotten about collective partythrowing altogether, or never even realized it's possible. Seriously, if you love parties and you have a space, or a truck, or some speakers, or a healthy back, or know how to hang lights, or have a garage where you can paint some banners, or you have a generator left over from your y2k paranoia, or have a gift with making altars or whatever, MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE to some people that need you! When a group of people join in a commitment to the best they can do, the ->I<- goes away, and it becomes ->WE<-. When ->WE<- throw the party, we don't try to fuck ourselves over, we don't try to make a buck off ourselves, we don't cut corners hoping we won't notice, we don't lie to ourselves about what's happening. There aren't enough cloudthis and friendsandthat and viberwhatevers to go around, but that doesn't mean they should start throwing massives just so you can pay your money and experience it (I'm honestly sick of people referring to such groups as elitist, when the situation is quite the opposite... every one of those groups started out as some people deciding they'd rather do it themselves even though it meant a bit more effort and no full color flyers, massive sound systems, or world famous djs). It means >YOU< should pitch in to make the perfect night possible for you and some friends and see where it takes you. That's how it started in almost every case, either with some friends playing records for each other on a cold Monterey beach, a day party promoted through dinky xeroxed flyers and a post to sfr, a guy going out to the beach and torching a bunch of wood in the form of a person, or inviting some sfrlisters to an evening at a dark little cube with little more than a sound system and some well intended people who got excited about the idea and offerred to help. "work is love made visible" - kahlil gibran This freak who used to be on SFR talked to a group of other fellow freaks last saturday, and said something to the effect of "turn it the fuck on this weekend". He went on to describe what he meant... it meant cranking up the level of commitment one more turn, giving a little bit more of yourself, trying a little bit harder and feeding the energy that we all came to be a part of. Be it the way you decide to dress for the evening, how much you dance, caning the crowd with a wicked original set, setting up a massage table, sticking around your sound system all night to make sure it sounds great the whole time, hanging a light from an inconvenient location, bringing creative ideas to a crew meeting, deciding to pick that orange tree in the backyard before the party and giving some out in the morning, working a desolate parking shift at 2am when everybody's favorite dj is on, or deciding to stay up a little past your bedtime to help clean up after a party you really liked... Give a little of yourself and there will be a lot more for everybody to get back. The best parties run on a sort of selfish selflessness, where everybody does what they do in order to make it amazing for everyone. I really think what makes raves amazing is the collective sharing of personal intensity. The purest manifestation of that is the Do It Yourself party ethic. If it's risky, weird, unpopular at first, inconvenient, or it hasn't been done before, don't get discouraged... you're probably onto something. andyw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70422-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 04:09:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 146 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 04:09:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 135 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 04:09:03 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010806170235.00bae9c8@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:10:08 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <20010806220335.QPOM21723.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.1 9.143.8]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] you have no rights! was -> what threatens our scene - leslie's rant BTW: fnf was astoundingly cool. I'd never been to that venue before, but regardless of venue.. simply amazing. My head is still processing all the input I took in over the past couple days, perhaps later in the week I can post a review. In the mean time, hello to all the beautiful women and men I met this weekend. Please forgive me if I don't remember your name next time I see you! and now, my rant: Sure we can lobby, we can write new laws, and change existing laws... but nevertheless, we are living in a police state. We can't sue cops, we can't get them fired. If a cop decided to search my house without a warrant, there is NOTHING I could do to stop him. That is truely frightening to me. If I came to his house in the middle of the night, he'd shoot me. If I shot at him, when he's trespassing on my property, I'd never see the light of day again, if I lived. The ACLU provides rights cards. What a JOKE. Why bother knowing your rights, if you can't do anything about it? So you can tell them you don't consent to the search they're performing on you? They aren't going to later admit that in court. They'll say you invited them to search you. When it comes to police-like agencies, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS! sarilion At 03:03 PM 8/6/2001 -0700, you wrote: >reading charlie's account of being tracked down by police regarding a party, >and then his learning that the cause of the attention was a call to the >police targeting him as a criminal -- i cringe. > >reading the party review of trance hotel that describes kids of 11 and 12 >there, and on substances -- i cringe. > >reading the recent flaming of one promoter by another on this list and >seeing the immature level of a few other conversations re promoter >responsibility -- i cringe. > >reading a real account of the raid on a peaceful camping party in missouri >(see http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2001-07-25/radarstation.html) >about police searching and terrorizing a peaceful group of campers with >their kids -- i cringe. > >people, we must wake up here. > >our entire subculture is under scrutiny by our government. it will take a >unified presence, a strong and powerful message that real rave culture is >NOT about children taking drugs. because it isn't. > >this isn't some pr strategy or marketing message -- THIS IS THE TRUTH. for >each of the youngsters who think "wow, i'm going to be cool this weekend and >go to this party and get fucked up with my friends" there are ten >responsible adults for whom this music, and this lifestyle where we gather >together to talk, dance, care for each other, is a part of our life that we >cannot allow to be taken away. > >promoters who cut corners and hope it isn't noticed later, you are >responsible for the negative attention to our scene. OUR scene. > >promoters who think that the game is to "one-up" your "competition" by >badmouthing them or sabotaging their events, you are responsible for the >loss of something truly beautiful. you are criminal in your actions, even >though you think you're just defending your crew, you are in fact poisoning >us from within. > >partygoers who think that a rave is somewhere where you are safe to risk >your life, and the lives of others, by doing things irresponsibly, you are >responsible for risking the loss of global movement for positive change. >what are you thinking? the rave scene is a refuge from the problems of the >outside world, not a place to create a whole new set of problems generated >by your poor judgment. > >and now we have an "informant" trying to get a party busted before it starts >-- are you all not aware that we have police who are being trained that >everything about a rave is really about adolescents wanting to take drugs? >-- and from the recent account, we have promoters who are allowing >youngsters into a venue knowing that the police will be walking through >every hour, and not creating a way to monitor and educate these kids, nor >apparently having enough crew to have a hall monitor to keep the halls >cleared (yes, kids, overcrowding is exactly why most parties are shut down). > that is immature and a clear lack of knowledge at how to manage an event -- >which you already KNOW will be inspected every hour! > >get it. our scene has no room for error any more. whatever happens wrong >will be used against you and that means US. and now we are seeing promoters >who are responding to the pressure by becoming more protective of your >"turf" and worrying about your financial survival first -- at the expense of >partygoers -- putting the population of our subculture at risk. > >it's like watching the ants scurry when the log is lifted -- suddenly >without the protection of darkness, chaos reigns. > >i spent my weekend in paradise with a large family of people who have been >doing this together for many years. we absolutely know that music is what >draws us together, and real relationships and respect for each other is what >keeps us together. there's nothing magic about it, and there's everything >magic about it -- it just means always remembering that it's never about >money first, it's never about "winning" or putting someone else down. it's >about creating a new way of being in the world. it's about dancing together, >being yourself, and looking after your family. > >i invite each and every person who's reading this to look at yourself and >see what you may have done to contribute to our problems -- and what you can >do to help unify our culture. > >sfr drama will come and go -- we'll always have the few loose screws who >love that we tolerate their meaningless gibberish on the list, or those >folks who actually think that we want them to insult someone else's musical >styles and then we'll think they must be very very smart or knowledgeable >(um, hint: no, we don't) -- but this list is not the whole scene -- although >we can use it to make positive change. > >the real scene is in trouble, they are watching us -- and now is the time to >let the impact of that hit you. if we do not work together, if we do not get >past our factions and separations, then it will be impossible to have a >damned party with your friends where you get to dance all night. > >i'm not going to let that happen -- are you?? > >leslie > >---------- > >From: Charlie > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] The Pre-Hotel Trance 4 Incident (Part 2) > >Date: Mon, Aug 6, 2001, 2:33 PM > > > > >Hello Everyone. > > > >I really don't know how to start this letter so I guess I better start > >with my story from the beginning. My happy ass was called by the > >Pleasanton's finest Friday at 10:30ish am. They had called because they > >heard that I was involved with an "illegal rave" that was suppost to go on > >in Pleasanton. They informed me that there were no permits filed with the > >Pleasanton Police department and there better not be an "illegal rave" > >occuring in their town. Since I was suppost to play at Hotel Trance 4, I > >had no idea where the location was because Jay hadn't called me yet to > >inform me where it was at. I told the officer that I didn't know if > >Istyly's party was to take part in Pleasanton but Jay had told me that > >they filed permits so it couldn't be in Pleasanton then. The Cop > >proceeded to threaten me that if I was caught participating in an illegal > >rave in Pleasanton, there would be serious consequences. At this point I > >was like.."riiiiiight". Out of no where he just proclaims.. "I know > >you're tied with Istyly Productions". and I literally said "duhhhh.. i'm > >spinning for him this weekend sir". I couldn't quite figure out why he > >thinks that this party was based around me. I finished up the > >conversation with him and about 2 minutes after I got a call from Nick. > >Apparently this is what happened on his side...Nick was working until 2 > >officers showed up at my old work. They were looking for me and since I > >don't work there anymore.. they came up empty handed. They proceeded to > >torture nick into giving them my cell phone number and hence that is where > >they got my number from. > > > >I called Jay from Istyly and told him what had happened. He gavce the > >Pleasanton PD a call and called me back. He told the officers what was > >going on and how I really had nothing to do with the party and he was the > >one they should be talking to. Their conversation ws short until later on > >that evening. Jay talked to them some more and told them to contact the > >tracy PD and refer to the permits they filed. Everything had checked > >out.. Permits were filed and everything was set. The PD wasn't really > >talkative but we did get out of him this.. > >Some person had called in refering my name specifically saying that I was > >throwing Hotel Trance 4 for strict profit, and that profit was going to be > >used to sell drugs, since I was a huge druglord of some sort. Oh and I > >was going to be selling lots of drugs at Hotel Trance 4. > > > >I personally don't know why this person targetted me. But this person > >also knew where I worked (or used to). I don't know if someone has some > >weird grudge against me.. but if someone does.. i'd like to know about it. > >The cops knew nothing about the info line or anything, since the only > >information they got was that I was a drug dealer, I am istyly (which i'm > >not), and that I sell drugs. > > > >You all are now informed about the almost destruction of this party due to > >some kid who had some weird grudge against me. I can't say i'm happy > >about it, but i'd like to know what kinda grudge this person has. > >Anyways, if you have any questions, you know how to get a hold of me. I > >think i've done enough blabbing for now. > > > >On another note.. the pictures from the Hotel Trance 4 party will be > >posted when I get the rest from my other photographer. Expect them > >sometime soon. Thank you for your time, and I hope you're all having a > >good day. > > > > > >- Charlie > >charlie@safemail.com > >http://www.ravepictures.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70423-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 04:11:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2055 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 04:11:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2043 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 04:11:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 18:59:30 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B6F4B82.84E9F5E3@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Megga-Buzz 6 - Here We Go!!! .bsp. Ok, So all the stores have MB6 tickets, and they are also availalble online @ http://www.grovetickets.com. Ticket prices are $25 + aplicable service charge. "Service Charge Free" tickets are availalble @ Anthem, Future & Club Amsterdam. For more info... check it out @ http://www.globalparty.com Thanks... and keep it alive... Vlad --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70424-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 04:16:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7510 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 04:16:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7495 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 04:16:04 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010806192626.00a24ce0@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:31:39 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Sarilion In-Reply-To: <20010806223812.1076.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3B6E115F.CE4219A6@globalparty.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] No Jungle @ Megga-Buzz!!! > >>So sorry... don't blame us for not supporting...blame Mekka and blame > the opportunist sell out promoters that there is > >>no Jungle at Megga-Buzz. > >There is nothing for you to support. Jungle will live without you....but >will you live without jungle? No, no, no. Vlad is really saying it is his fault: "blame the opportunist sell out promoters" clearly vlad indicates himself here. I mean, Vlad didn't think that he could extend his profit margin at all by having jungle on the lineup, wouldn't that make him an opportunist, if not a sell out? sarilion >I think that question just runs through my mind a lot, probably has >nothing to do with this thread. Really? How often? Do you go into convulsions if you don't get your jungle dose every 72 hours? :p >(stop blaming) werd. take responsibility. (I didn't say that) >Jess > > > > > >J > > Feel Good wrote: I have had a lot of people > e-mail me asking why there is no jungle room >at Megga-Buzz... so before you all get ahead of yourselves... here's the >deal: > >Because MEKKA had such a strong DnB/Hip-Hop Line-up, we figured they >would pull all the jungle heads... so after long deliberation, we >decided NOT to have a Jungle Room. >However, now that that kharma has caught up to those losers, and they >got canceled... we regretfully apologize to all those who will be >deprived of their Jungle fix at Megga-Buzz, because it's to late to >change our lineup. So sorry... don't blame us for not supporting... >blame Mekka and blame the opportunist sell out promoters that there is >no Jungle at Megga-Buzz. > >Thanks for understanding... Keep it alive, Vlad > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70425-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 04:20:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10341 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 04:20:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10331 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 04:20:03 -0000 From: To: "SF Raves" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:20:02 -0700 Organization: Coolworld Message-ID: <002901c11ef8$3a76c730$0200005a@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Cyberfest Update... D12 & Eminem will no longer be performing at Cyberfest this year for reasons beyond OUR (Coolworld's) control. The rest of the talent is confirmed 100% The venue is now at the Cow Palace & Grounds. There will be signs at 3Com redirecting you to the Cow Palace for Cyberfest. The time is 2pm - 2am. Cyberfest is an all-age event. The event may sell-out before Sat. You can still get your tickets @ Ticketmaster.com I hope this clears things up a little bit. - joey trance / coolworld --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70426-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 04:25:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15383 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 04:25:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15371 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 04:25:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010807002516.90779.qmail@web14108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:25:16 -0700 (PDT) From: envirogirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] yoga i've really been getting into yoga lately...... it's really fun to do at raves before you start dancing...... when there's not too many people there yet. it puts me in a good state of mind to start the night off with, plus it's just good physically to stretch before you excersize. so much of it is about balance...... which is something we all could use a little more of :) does anyone know of a good place in the east bay for yoga classes...... not too expensive, hopefully :) ~envirogirl ===== pain is inevitable...... suffering is optional...... so be happy :) www.dj2music.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70427-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 04:26:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16997 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 04:26:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16987 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 04:26:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.100.38] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 21:25:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 04:25:57.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DFEFFF0:01C11EF9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] FRI AUG 10th! $10! Happy Hardcore/Hard House/Jungle-Matrix WEST!! 9pm-4am! :BSP For all the lovers of the Harder and Happier Music in Northern California!! Do not miss this one!! ::Begin BSP:: Club Matrix West! Located at 1803 Webster St.-Downtown Oakland Information #: 510.596.8909 9pm-4am FULLY Permitted! http://www.clubmatrixwest.com $10 admission before 10:30 $15 admission after 10:30 18+ with ID please! AUGUST 10th LINEUP: Room One: Happy Hardcore/Drum N Bass/US Hard House **Making a RARE Appearance TOGETHER on 4 Turntables!** DJ SPREE (Sonicfury.net-Minneapolis) :2x4: DJ CLOUDSKIPPER (Supernova Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) _If you're a Happy Hardcore/Hardcore fan.. you know these names. You know they are in large part responsible for the huge rise in popularity of Happy Hardcore in the US! Having played widely across North America, these 2 DJs have established themselves as possibly the most popular Happy Hardcore DJs in the US! Do NOT miss this RARE and possibly last chance to see them perform together on 4 turntables! **Sneak Preview-Nu Skool Heroes CD Release Tour on 4 Turntables!** DJ TONY (Menace Records, Underground Sound-Los Angeles) :2x4: DJ TRONIC (Resistance Recordings, LiquidVinylDJs.com-SF) _Two of the brightest stars in US Hard House come together this night for a sneak preview of their CD Release Tour of "Nu Skool Heroes"-being released on Menace Records in Mid-August! Pure hard pounding beats and energetic crowd rocking is what to expect here-all on 4 Turntables!! A set not to miss! **One of the Bay Area's Most Respected and Talented Drum and Bass DJs** MEGATRON (MechaSOUL-SF) _Widely known as one of the Bay Area's best, Megatron comes to Club Matrix on this night to show why he is one of the Best Drum and Bass DJs in Northern California! Don't miss the knowledge this man will drop! [supporting cast] VALERIE SPARKS (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova Recordings-Sacramento) _If you haven't had a chance to watch this upcoming Happy Hardcore talent show what she can do, make it a point to check out what she can do! With her energetic style and passion to make the crowd move, she is becoming one of the most popular Happy Hardcore DJs in the nation! MIKEY J (Selekta.com, MechaSOUL-Sacramento) _One of the major forces behind the Drum and Bass movement in Sacramento, Mikey will have ya dancing from the first beat to the last! His love for the music he plays is unmatched by many of the DJs in his genre! Do not miss this Drum and Bass specialist! SCOTTY (Spin Knowledge-SF) _An up and comer in the Bay Area.. this Drum and Bass DJ will show you why he does what he does-the love of music! Room Two: House/Tech-House/Techno NEUROPSYNTIST (Neuroscience Creations) _Droppin that Hard Acid Techno, Neuropsyntist drops off all alter egoes for a set of something not heard too often locally! Drop all expectations at the door and prepare to be blown away with a very talented DJ and a fresh style! JAYVI VELASCO (Groove Industry) _Those House beats to keep ya movin is what to expect from this very talented DJ. Expect to move non-stop while this man is on the decks! STEVIE B (Peak Productions, Spin Knowledge) _One of the Club Matrix West House Residents, he will have ya up and going until the last record drops! LEWIS (Spin Knowledge, Knowledge Recordings) _Needing no introduction, Lewis is just a man who loves his music. Prepare to dance for the duration of this well experience DJ's set! For directions and complete info: http://www.clubmatrixwest.com *Club Matrix West is brought to you every Friday Night! Do Not miss out on this new Club! Different themes every Friday.. different DJs.. same great vibe! Hope to see you out there! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70428-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 04:43:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30502 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 04:43:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30491 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 04:43:55 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:54:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11EC2.667AD820" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] So Whats the Word..Club Amsterdam ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11EC2.667AD820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heard it on the buzz line, did anyone go, normally enjoy feelgood, but have a very important party on sat, cant miss. No not cyberfest :-). Let me hear your opinion so I can decide where I will be sat. Magick ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11EC2.667AD820-- From sfraves-return-70429-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 04:52:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35356 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 04:52:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35346 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 04:52:00 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010806162510.00baeba8@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:26:26 -0700 To: sf From: Raver In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] movies nrr Ya know, I was talking to some of my friends about the movie we just saw, and I noticed the grass looks much greener today than yesterday. Toast is really best with marmalade on it, but I didn't have time for that this morning because I was changing my oil. sarilion At 11:40 AM 8/6/2001 -0700, Piers Sutton wrote: >You should already have friends you would want to go to a movie with. I >like toast. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geri Dahl [mailto:eeelips@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:39 AM > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [sfraves] movies nrr > > > > > > you can totally tell who you'd never want to go to a > > good movie with just by posting to sfraves. :) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > > Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70430-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 04:55:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37285 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 04:55:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37274 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 04:55:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:55:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Plastic Nuclear Ferret To: leslie ayres cc: "that ravin' mailin' list" In-Reply-To: <20010806220335.QPOM21723.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] shane's response to leslie's rant, was Re: [sfraves] what threatens our scene - leslie's rant On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, leslie ayres wrote: > reading charlie's account of being tracked down by police regarding a party, > and then his learning that the cause of the attention was a call to the > police targeting him as a criminal -- i cringe. > > reading the party review of trance hotel that describes kids of 11 and 12 > there, and on substances -- i cringe. > > reading the recent flaming of one promoter by another on this list and > seeing the immature level of a few other conversations re promoter > responsibility -- i cringe. > > reading a real account of the raid on a peaceful camping party in missouri > (see http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2001-07-25/radarstation.html) > about police searching and terrorizing a peaceful group of campers with > their kids -- i cringe. > > people, we must wake up here. > i could not agree more with this. i had an amazing time at Friends and Family. over 800 people showed up, and there were no fights, overdoses, 10 year olds on drugs, stolen backpacks or cars broken in to. i saw hundreds of people that i didn't know and hadn't ever met, and i felt that i could walk up to *ANY* person and instantly start talking with them and become friends. i saw my tribe, family, friends, and their children (ranging from 8 months to 16 years old) having the time of their lives, loving each other so much and with so much energy that you could feel something *TANGIBLE* in the air. then i get home, after staying and helping clean up (a little bit, hehe), and read the SFR list. good-bye afterglow, hello reality. how can we really call ourselves a scene when all we do is disrespect each other? what the fuck is up with all of the name calling? all of the lame accusations? haven't we grown up, matured, and become adults? we need to wake up, people. as you sit around, listening to your rave music wondering how many hits you're going to take next weekend, your precious "scene" is being torn apart from both the inside (irresponsible and/or disrespectful ravers, money hungry promoters out for a fast buck) and the outside (let's face it, kids: it's us vs. "them": 99.9% of americans wouldn't give a shit if raves and all things associated were banned). do you want your precious scene to go away? yeah, really? in that case, keep it up, as you're doing a fine, fine job. i just hope that all of your bad karma stays the fuck away from my tribes. i don't want to lose one of the most important things in my life. the past few years of my life have been most beautiful, and have changed me more thoroughly than anything else. and it would kill me if i were to lose it. now, i have a quick task for everyone: sit down for 10 minutes and think about WHY you go to raves. think about shit that you've done, things that you've seen, and the motivations behind them. please, be honest with yourself. be *objective*. yes, objectivity is hard, and it may bruise your ego, but let's get it straight from the get-go. if you don't have anything positive to add to the scene, please leave now: quickly and quietly. we won't take names, and we won't think ill of you. we'll just be glad that you're gone. if you really love what you do, love the music, and love the people, then you're welcome to stay. the community will embrace you with an open heart and outstretched arms. the lack of respect i've been seeing is disappointing. i am truly saddened and ashamed by what i see. there needs to be change, and the only people that can instigate this change are *us*. we need to be positive, and spread the word. re-read the posts by apollo, andyW and leslie. they know what's going on. they're true, honest people. if you pour positivity in to something, something good is bound to come out. please take the time and effort to be positive as it's the only thing that will save us. shane -- @-------------------------------------------------------@ [..........Knowledge Through Tangentalization...........] [........Shane Knapp donut@ bayarea.net..........] [............http://www.bayarea.net/~donut .............] @-------------------------------------------------------@ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70431-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 04:55:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38525 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 04:55:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38515 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 04:55:49 -0000 From: "Jaden" To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:55:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] FRI AUG 10th! $10! Happy Hardcore/Hard House/Jungle-Matrix WEST!! 9pm-4am! :BSP What time are Cloudskipper and Spree going on? Thanks! Jaden -----Original Message----- From: DJ Tronic [mailto:datpsychoguy@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:26 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] FRI AUG 10th! $10! Happy Hardcore/Hard House/Jungle-Matrix WEST!! 9pm-4am! :BSP For all the lovers of the Harder and Happier Music in Northern California!! Do not miss this one!! ::Begin BSP:: Club Matrix West! Located at 1803 Webster St.-Downtown Oakland --snip-- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70432-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 05:00:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42453 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 05:00:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42440 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 05:00:46 -0000 X-Sender: divan@imap.seas.upenn.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010806162916.64236.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:00:36 -0700 To: FUckFace Johnson , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Damien X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats lol mean? At 9:29 AM -0700 8/6/01, FUckFace Johnson wrote: >--- k-boy allstar wrote: >> sorry if I sound like an idiot but I dont know. >> >> >> What does lol mean? >> >> > >if people needed to apologize for sounding like >idiots, then a lot of you other dumb folks are >forgetting your manners. THAT, my friend, is the definition of "lol"! hahahahaha! nice ;) -Damien >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OokA MakA -- Ready to relaunch Jujunem sooner than you think Web: http://www.jujunem.com Email: ookamaka@jujunem.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70433-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 05:09:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49138 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 05:09:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49128 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 05:09:47 -0000 X-Sender: divan@imap.seas.upenn.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010806184319.42259.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:09:34 -0700 To: Geri Dahl , Deepfog , SFRavEs Mailing List From: Damien X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? Yeah, no kidding. I love breaks, but it's just not big out here. Of course, a HUGE part of the reason we don't have much out here is because you simply can't find very much in the way of breaks at record stores. And when you do find them, there's never a consistent supply of quality breaks anywhere. I've gone to Spundae one week and found some nice tunes, and came back where EVERY single breaks record was shit in my eyes. So, that's an issue that has to be resolved before we seen a quality breaks scene out here. -Damien At 11:43 AM -0700 8/6/01, Geri Dahl wrote: >i forgot something...we need MORE PHAT bReAkS!!!!!! :) > >--- Deepfog wrote: >> nothing. i think the scene has equalized itself >> from the shunning of >> house music, which was what created the scene in SF, >> vs. trance, >> which started off as mindless ugly music, but has >> evolved. now all >> we have to do is get city state and federal >> governments all on the >> same page. >> >> >> >> > What do you think is missing in our scene? If >> your an old skooler, what do >> >you miss from "back in the day" that isn't >> happening now? And whether your >> >from the old skool or new skool vibe, what would >> you do today to make raving >> >more positive? >> > Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ >> > >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> >For additional commands, e-mail: >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OokA MakA -- Ready to relaunch Jujunem sooner than you think Web: http://www.jujunem.com Email: ookamaka@jujunem.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70434-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 05:17:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53251 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 05:17:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53240 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 05:17:03 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:16:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: Deepfog , SFRavEs Mailing List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.94] Message-Id: <20010807051636.B6E932744@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats lol mean? LoL...Thanks!! i actually like Peets!! Strong Ass Coffee!! Yum! --- Deepfog > wrote: >osby, if more people were like you, places like Peet's Coffee would=20 >go out of business. ;] > >>Hello 2Day!! I Loke that Answer Deep!! LOl I mean, LMAO!! OK, Hello 2D= >ay! >> >>--- "leslie ayres" >> > wrote: >> >correct answer. extra points, deep. >> > >> >;^) >> > >> >leslie >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>That's a damn good question, kid. >> >> >> >>It means "Listen only (to) Leslie" >> >> >> >>80~ >> >> >> >> >> >>>sorry if I sound like an idiot but I dont know. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>What does lol mean? >> >>> >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >>=3D=3D >>Later {8O) >>Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O=A7BY >> >>_____________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70435-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 05:22:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58135 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 05:22:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58125 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 05:22:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010807052242.70515.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: envirogirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, AndyW , apollo@speakeasy.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? i totally agree with what apollo is saying about spirituality (or lack thereof) in the scene. you don't have to be a religious person to be spiritual...... and raves should be spiritual events, even if it's just meditating on the music (which many of us do, whether or not we consider it spiritual or not). it makes you feel closer to everyone in the group, turning you into a cohesive unit. i think it's the basic element that is missing from commercial raves today, and i feel that it would cause many other problems to go away. i mean, how could someone even shove someone else on the dance floor after reaching some sort of higher spiritual plane? i also totally agree with what andyw is saying about diy...... and i totally did it myself, too (as some of you may know :) i live in a cool artist building with a space big enough for a small party, so i had a few...... it was definitly a lot of work, but it was so worth it. i met so many great people, restoring my faith that there are still lots of wonderful people in the scene. besides, how often do you get to see andyw spin ambient to an almost empty room? thanks again for that, andy, you rock :) ~envirogirl ===== pain is inevitable...... suffering is optional...... so be happy :) www.dj2music.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70436-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 05:32:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62845 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 05:32:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62826 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 05:32:32 -0000 Message-ID: <007001c11f03$3f490ec0$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , , Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:38:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C11EC8.8C912720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Products containing PPA recalled. Robotussin/Alka seltzer etc. (Verified) ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C11EC8.8C912720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per SNOPES.com Claim: The FDA has announced that drug products containing PPA = (phenylpropanolamine) should be avoided due to the possibility they may = cause strokes.=20 Status: True.=20 Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2000]=20 IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED!! The FDA has announced a recall of = all drug products containing PPA (phenylpropanolamine). The AAFES stock = assortment contains 23 products containing this drug (see below) .... = ALL MUST BE PULLED FROM SALE IMMEDIATELY and placed in controlled = storage pending disposition instructions. In addition, customers = presenting unused quantities of these items purchased from AAFES may be = given full refunds. Locally printed signs will be placed as follows:=20 CRC Description ---------------------------- 5252333 ALKA-SELTZER PLUS 1350966 TAVIST-D 7388036 TRIAMINIC TRIAMINICOL 9175688 CONTACT SEVERE COLD 16 CT 1190814 COMTREX DEEP CHEST 24 CT 7533225 DEXATRIM XS W/VIT C 6400584 DEXATRIM EXT DURATION (PHASE-OUT STATUS) 3131711 ACCUTRIM MAXIMUM STRENGTH 1307750 DIMETAPP DM COUGH/COLD 3028438 DIMETAPP ELIXER 1216522 ALKA SELTZER PLUS COLD LIQUID 3709664 ALKA SELTZER PLUS NIGHT TIME (PHASE OUT STATUS) 5275920 ALKA SELTZER PLUS ORANGE 3782000 ALKA SELTZER PLUS TABS 3509700 ALKA SELTZER PLUS NIGHT TIME TABS 7730608 AAFES TUSSIN CF COUGH FORMULA 4 OZ. 8515727 AAFES DIMAPHEN ELIXIR 4 OZ. 8093916 AAFES EFFERVESCENT COLD RELIEF 36 COUNT 3024833 AAFES DIET CAPLETS 8147803 PERMATHENE-16 3247319 ROBITUSSIN CF COUGH SYRUP 3114808 COMTREX MULTI SYMPTOM 3377900 SINE OFF SINUS This recall action is mandatory and should be accomplished as = soon as possible. Report compliance to respective Region retail offices = via TAO. Contact CARTERRE with questions.=20 =20 Origins: On 6 November 2000, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration = issued a warning that phenylpropanolamine, an ingredient found in many = over-the-counter cold medications and diet aids, may cause strokes and = thus should be avoided.=20 The FDA is taking steps to ban the substance completely. However, = because that process will take months to complete, in the meantime the = agency is asking drug manufacturers to voluntarily stop selling products = that contain PPA and to provide safer alternatives.=20 According to the FDA, "Although the risk of hemorrhagic stroke is very = low, FDA recommends that consumers not use any products that contain = PPA."=20 Consumers are being asked to seek non-PPA alternatives to products they = are using. Drugmakers have been asked to stop putting PPA into their = products and to refrain from marketing the ones already produced. Health = Canada is following the FDA's lead, asking consumers to eschew the drug = and stores to stop selling products containing it.=20 The FDA is answering PPA questions toll-free at (888) INFO-FDA. A direct = line, although it is not toll-free, is (301) 827-4570.=20 The FDA warning comes as a result of a May 2000 study conducted at Yale = University School of Medicine. The Hemorrhagic Stroke Project found PPA = increases the risk of hemorrhagic stroke, a type of stroke characterized = by bleeding in the brain.=20 In October 2000, an FDA advisory committee confirmed the findings in the = Yale study. The Yale study, published by The New England Journal of = Medicine, suggested that PPA could raise the risk of stroke, even in = young people aged 18 to 49.=20 The FDA advises that you go through your medicine cabinets, paying = special attention to cold remedies and diet aids, and discard any = medications that list phenylpropanolamine as one of their ingredients.=20 Although the FDA is asking that PPA-containing products be withdrawn = from the market, not everyone is convinced that PPA poses nearly as much = of a threat to consumers as claimed. Steven Milloy from Junkscience.com, = for example, argues that the withdrawal was initiated by an overly = cautious FDA based on flawed studies.=20 -B "If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with = a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to = inform their discretion by education" - Thomas Jefferson=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C11EC8.8C912720-- From sfraves-return-70437-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 05:46:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70865 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 05:46:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70851 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 05:46:41 -0000 From: MadPnoy19@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:46:36 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 29 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Cyberfest Update... damn, that's the best news i heard all week! -yonderB --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70438-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 05:54:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75018 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 05:54:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75008 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 05:54:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010807055404.43462.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: goobster To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? > 1. SPIRITUALITY in san francisco there's this obsession with throwing around the word 'spirituality'. so what is 'spiritual' - going to a proper rave, taking e and dancing to some fierce tracks? yes, all of the above usually results in having a great time and maybe even some new friends, but in the end this is all there is - good times, hookups, sense of adventure etc. i mean, it's awesome, right? but darn, someone had to drag in 'spirituality', and then 'scene', and then it's time to run and hide, because next comes 'the plur banner' and 'rules of rave etiquette' and off we go. anyways, my humble advice to the peachy-keen ravers - respect other people's points of view, but be careful who you listen to, always question 'life wisdom' or 'spiritual advice' people share with you (however 'old-school' or 'wise' or 'og' they seem), and take ideologies that people preach (this post is no exception) with a healthy dose of skepticism and doubt. find your own way. in san francisco, people do trade in spirituality like wall street trades in stocks, no kidding. this is not meant to offend anyone on the list - i think it's just common sense once you've been to haight street, etc. getting back to the topic - 'what's missing in our scene' - imho, nothing is missing, raves are still happening and stuff. people who complain about the 'scene' usually: don't have a clue/go to the wrong parties/need to get a life/need to inhale/like to complain about things in general. mad plur, m. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70439-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 06:33:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94332 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 06:33:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94321 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 06:33:41 -0000 From: Klatuu02@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:33:38 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_db.1877fe20.28a0e5c2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? --part1_db.1877fe20.28a0e5c2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you say hotel trance sucks i never met so many kids with such egos..such self centered little assholes dressed head to toe in candy..pushing people without even saying "excuse me".. i saw one kid with plur written on him and saw him knock a girl into the wall running into the chill area... hmm why not practice whats on your fucking arm.. i have never seen so many obnoxious, disrespectful piece of shit candy kids in one party at once... trendy posers who dont belong in this scene.. get the fuck out.. we dont want you here.. and as for istyly i know a huge amount of people who will never go to your parties again... "no black soled shoes"... show fucking consideration for people who spend 20 bucks on your trendy ass party..and you expect them to stop at payless and pick up a pair of cheap shoes before they get to the location..and also out of every place in the bay area you chose a sports club in tracy? that night i saw why candy kids were hated... the majority of them are narcissistic little fucks disguised as little children.. selfish, ego centered, demented cartoon characters that come across happy on appearance but if looking deeper one can say that their happy only because they are on drugs... words cant describe the anger i felt that these kids only cared about their own drug induced emotions and didnt give a rats ass about anyone elses.. i thought ecstasy was an empathogen...i thought since everyone i knew experienced empathy on it that everyone would.. i thought everyone did drugs to expand their minds and not their egos... i guess i was wrong.. what i saw at this party was excess... and depravity. fuck istyly fuck hotel trance fuck gianni and every other money greedy piece of shit businessmen dj behind the decks im going to tribal and goa parties from here on.. -niiiick --part1_db.1877fe20.28a0e5c2_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70440-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 06:34:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95855 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 06:34:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95844 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 06:34:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.189.14.2] From: "JuNgLE bOy" To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:44:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 00:44:14.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[15219230:01C11EDA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Roll Call for Cyberfest Okay now who all is going to this little shindig?? I'll be there in orange pants and a dark green spongebob shirt if ya wanna hook up and party the night away. Any meeting points yet?? 1.)Me and my girlfriend :) Peace and Love, Aaron "It's always a Canadians fault!" AIM - jungalist024 ICQ - 39956952 MSN - evil_seed Y! - justkickingback420 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70441-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 06:36:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98836 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 06:36:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98818 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 06:36:24 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 23:36:56 -0700 From: Dan Carr To: sfraves , f8 , bay area happycore , sac raves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: . Happy Kids brings you Superfriends! Sunday, Sept 2nd (no work or school on monday!) Happy Kids brings you: SUPERFRIENDS Happy Kids needs you to save the day once again! We need your super powers to make sure that our party can defeat the villainous powers of the 2am standard! Come join us as we get down for 9 hours straight, and stay until the sun is up. Justice League: Happy Kid Marty(Happy Kids) Dyloot (Skills) Gianni (Harmonics) Denise (aka Dj D) (dj.d.com/trance factory) Dragn'fly (Teknique,Epiphany) Tom Slik (Skills) Dj Chris (Happy Kids) Braq (Happy Kids/Amphibious Funk) Reese (liquidvinyldjs.com) Legion of Doom: Cloudskipper(supernova recordings/liquidvinyldjs.com) Anthony Mad(SSU, sac) Tronic(Resistance recordings/liquidvinyldjs.com) Kid Cosmo(Happy Kids) Valerie Sparks(liquidvinyldjs.com) Dj Pat (Teknique) Havoc and the intalekt emcees (SWATT/torque) Bicolas & Buchweechio (Skills Junglists) all ages all night Totally fun new venue with an indoor jungle gym for all you super heroes to romp around in! Presale outlets: skills - berkeley 510.704.9876 f8 - san francisco 415.221.4142 solid grooves - santa clara - 408.248.6399 harmonics - santa rosa - 707.571.trip in tha mix - sacramento - 916.442.0499 Happy Kids Voicemail: 415.262.0210/510.873.0210 Look out for our 5th annual Lil Monsters costume party on october 27th! see ya there smilin/connection through affection --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70442-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 06:38:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 997 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 06:38:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 987 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 06:38:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Haskovec To: cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? Have you looked in the mirror lately? Do you like what you see? dan On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 Klatuu02@aol.com wrote: > can you say hotel trance sucks > > i never met so many kids with such egos..such self centered little assholes > dressed head to toe in candy..pushing people without even saying "excuse me".. > i saw one kid with plur written on him and saw him knock a girl into the wall > running into the chill area... hmm why not practice whats on your fucking > arm.. > i have never seen so many obnoxious, disrespectful piece of shit candy kids > in one party at once... trendy posers who dont belong in this scene.. > get the fuck out.. we dont want you here.. and as for istyly i know a huge > amount > of people who will never go to your parties again... "no black soled shoes"... > show fucking consideration for people who spend 20 bucks on your trendy ass > party..and you expect them to stop at payless and pick up a pair of cheap > shoes > before they get to the location..and also out of every place in the bay area > you chose a sports club in tracy? that night i saw why candy kids were > hated... > the majority of them are narcissistic little fucks disguised as little > children.. > selfish, ego centered, demented cartoon characters that come across happy on > appearance but if looking deeper one can say that their happy only because > they > are on drugs... words cant describe the anger i felt that these kids only > cared about > their own drug induced emotions and didnt give a rats ass about anyone elses.. > i thought ecstasy was an empathogen...i thought since everyone i knew > experienced > empathy on it that everyone would.. i thought everyone did drugs to expand > their minds and not their egos... i guess i was wrong.. what i saw at this > party was > excess... and depravity. > > fuck istyly fuck hotel trance fuck gianni and every other money greedy piece > of shit > businessmen dj behind the decks im going to tribal and goa parties from here > on.. > > -niiiick > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70443-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 06:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5306 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 06:45:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5296 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 06:45:44 -0000 Message-ID: <003f01c11f0b$edcb27a0$63f05140@jinx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: , References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:41:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? You have some god damn issues..Group therapy my friend, seek help. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? > can you say hotel trance sucks > > i never met so many kids with such egos..such self centered little assholes > dressed head to toe in candy..pushing people without even saying "excuse me".. > i saw one kid with plur written on him and saw him knock a girl into the wall > running into the chill area... hmm why not practice whats on your fucking > arm.. > i have never seen so many obnoxious, disrespectful piece of shit candy kids > in one party at once... trendy posers who dont belong in this scene.. > get the fuck out.. we dont want you here.. and as for istyly i know a huge > amount > of people who will never go to your parties again... "no black soled shoes"... > show fucking consideration for people who spend 20 bucks on your trendy ass > party..and you expect them to stop at payless and pick up a pair of cheap > shoes > before they get to the location..and also out of every place in the bay area > you chose a sports club in tracy? that night i saw why candy kids were > hated... > the majority of them are narcissistic little fucks disguised as little > children.. > selfish, ego centered, demented cartoon characters that come across happy on > appearance but if looking deeper one can say that their happy only because > they > are on drugs... words cant describe the anger i felt that these kids only > cared about > their own drug induced emotions and didnt give a rats ass about anyone elses.. > i thought ecstasy was an empathogen...i thought since everyone i knew > experienced > empathy on it that everyone would.. i thought everyone did drugs to expand > their minds and not their egos... i guess i was wrong.. what i saw at this > party was > excess... and depravity. > > fuck istyly fuck hotel trance fuck gianni and every other money greedy piece > of shit > businessmen dj behind the decks im going to tribal and goa parties from here > on.. > > -niiiick > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70444-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 06:58:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9615 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 06:58:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9593 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 06:58:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010807065829.88343.qmail@web14509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:58:29 -0700 (PDT) From: DEKA Reply-To: djdeka@selekta.com To: Sac Raves List , SF Raves , Tytan Studios , Debra Dayan Aningalan , Rick Fish , Fresno Raves List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The SELEKTA Broadcasts 8.07.01 to 8.13.01 THE SELEKTA BROADCASTS 8.07.01 to 8.13.01 We are proud to announce a special broadcast this Saturday, August 11th. Live from world famous Eklektic in San Francisco The Selekta will be broadcasting Future Cut(Renegade Hardware/Metalheadz/UK) along with Star Eyes(Groundscore/ B.A.S.S. Kru), Genome (Groundscore), and The Selekta's very own Mikey J(Eklektic/Selekta.com). We'd also like to send out a special welcome to Stardock Studios who's regular weekly show "Stardock Studios Live" The Selekta will now be hosting. : Tuesday : | Deep House | Techno | Jungle/Drum and Bass | 15TH ST. SESSIONS - with Mikey J "A varitable smorgisbord serving up the finest in progressive DnB" Tuesday - 3:30 pm - 5:30 pm PST ...point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/15street.asp ...point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/mikeyj.ram RADIO TEKNQIUE - with Dragn’fly and DJ Pat "Hard trance, techno, tech house and trance from Dragn'fly, DJ Pat and Europe's top underground DJs." 1.00PM - 4.00PM PST Every Tuesday ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/teknique.asp ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/teknique.ram FREAK! - with DJ Lemon Lyman “Deep Soul Music for the body and the mind” 7.00PM - ?PM EST Every Tuesday ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/freak/ ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/freak/smil/freak.ram : Wednesday : | Jungle/Drum and Bass | Hip Hop | Deep House | | 2-Step | Funky Breaks | SUBSTITUTION - Lorne, Kpakpo, Armen, the soulful voice of Mis-Ty and Weekly Guests “Future International Roadblock is a weekly excursion into the scenes and vibes of underground music from drum and bass to hop hop and house to 2-step.” 9.00PM - 12.00AM EST Every Wednesday ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/substitution/ ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/substitution.ram LIVE FROM COLUMBUS, OHIO - with Bob Sfero "The DEEPER the BETTER" 7.00PM - ?PM EST Every Wednesday ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/sfero/default.asp ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/bobsfero.ram : Thursday : | Techno | House | Breaks | HIGH ALTITUDE HOUSE - with DJ Switch and DJ Alex Deep "Welcome to beautiful Lake Tahoe" Thursdays - 8pm - 12am PST ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/high-altitude.asp ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/switch.ram RADAR - with TimB and Civilian "NYC Techno" Every other Thursday - 9:00 pm - 11:00 pm ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/radar.asp ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/radar.ram JUST PIMPIN' - with Just Pimpin and weekly guests "The nastier the better" Thursdays 7pm - 9pm EST ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/jp/justpimpin.asp ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/justpimpin.ram : Friday : | Jungle/Drum and Bass | Breaks | LIVE FROM EKLEKTIC S.F. - with Future Cut, Star Eyes, Genome, and Mikey J. One off Friday 10pm - 3am PST ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/eklektic.asp ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/mikeyj.ram LIVE FROM GLASGOW - with Paul Reset “Dark Drum and Bass from the darkest pits of Glasgow” Times TBA ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/glasgow/ ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/glasgow/smil/glasgow.ram : Saturday : No shows scheduled : Sunday : | House | Techno | Trance | Jungle/Drum and Bass | Breaks | THE STRANGE WORLD OF 12 INCHES - with DJ Mourad "Detroit techno and deep house, diverse and highly loaded with soul and funk" 12.00PM - 2.30PM EST Every Sunday ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/strangeworld/default.asp ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/strangeworld/smil/strangeworld.ram PHUTURETECH SUNDAY SESSIONS - with Paul Reset and guests "An eclectic mix of chilled out bliss, ambient electronica and whatever else takes their fancy." Every Sunday 2pm GMT ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/phuturetech/default.asp ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/phuturetech.ram SUNDAY NIGHT LIVE - with DJ Peter Fable 8.00PM -? PST Every Sunday ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/sundaynightlive/ ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/mikkel.ram : Monday : | House | Techno | Trance | Jungle/Drum and Bass | STARDOCK STUDIOS LIVE - with Mike Saga, Kevin Kong, and Jamez Manley Every Monday 8pm - ??? EST ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/stardock/default.asp ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/stardock.ram ECLIPSE - with DJ Bagel “Your weekly dose of up front sophisticated Drum and Bass” 8.00PM - 9.00 EST Every Monday ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/eclipse/ ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/eclipse/eclipse.ram TRONIC GROOVES - with DJ Tronic “2 hours of house, techno, and trance mixed live by DJ Tronic from Portland, OR” 7.00pm - 9.00PM PST Every Monday ..point.click.learn... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/tronic/default.asp ..point.click.listen... http://www.selekta.com/tronic.ram ===== Turn your learn on! http://www.selekta.com DJ DEKA Director of Internet Promotions www.selekta.com DJDeka@selekta.com Booking: info@selekta.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70445-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 07:21:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22111 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 07:21:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22100 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 07:21:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.203.68.181] From: "-ravers61 -" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 00:21:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 07:21:19.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D73B4C0:01C11F11] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] song id??? hey everyone whats up? I was wondering if anyone could tell me the name of the song in the begining of the movie "go" in the opening credits. You know when they are showing the rave scene and stuff. thanks :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70446-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 07:34:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33685 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 07:34:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33675 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 07:34:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.218.73.66] From: "His Highness" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 07:34:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 07:34:02.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[547EA470:01C11F13] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Pictures of Sundance Picnic up now Sundance Park Picnics -- summer series 2001, part 2 -- Sunday August 5 The Pictures: http://www.liquidcafe.com/peeps2.html If you missed all the fun, then make sure to catch the last picnic for the summer coming in sept. (date not yet determined). -- Emperor "It is one of life's mysteries how an ounce of understanding, cleanses an ocean of mistrust and hate" (The Outer Limits) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70447-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 07:40:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37426 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 07:40:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37398 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 07:40:32 -0000 From: PhysixBAM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 03:40:24 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] --------- Hello friends! It's with great pleasure that we announce that our very own Blair Brown (Physix Records / Q Studios - Chicago) has his own internet radio show at www.pulseradio.net. The show, every Sunday night from 10pm-midnight, will feature Blair Brown and a different guest every week! So tune in and check it out! -Brandon B. Harris PHYSiX Booking & Artist Management House of Babylon BROductions of Indpls --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70448-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 07:59:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46016 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 07:59:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46006 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 07:59:29 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 00:59:22 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010807075924.GHTV374.femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? i loved that this rather cynical post is signed "mad plur" (not sure if that's your normal sig or tongue in cheek for this post) -- perhaps the problem here with the posters whose hackles are raised at the conversation about spirituality is that a frame of reference is missing, or there is a resistance to the concept of higher consciousness, maybe coming from some past experience. it's not talking about some crackpot on haight street (though each time i see someone i brand a "crackpot" i remind myself that it's possible that i'm wrong -- after all, new ways of thinking always look "crackpot-ish" at first, don't they?) it seems that you haven't been to a party with a consciousness about how dancing together in community is a spiritual practice. it has been throughout the history of man. altered states through rhythm and dance, communing with that element of us that is beyond the individual, and is the same in every human, the spark of consciousness -- that is spirituality. sometimes it's simply connecting with the awareness that we are all part of the same greater life force. sometimes it's being transformed in an instance with the realization of what the power of love can accomplish. sometimes -- as happened for me this weekend -- it's a glimpse into the future, of what the world could be if built upon the true spirit of raving, generations together, sharing ideas, laughs, grief, and dancing all night under the moon and the stars. don't ever let your need to shield yourself with cynicism get the better of you -- it's fine to go to parties, clubs, whatever, to "hook up" and hear "fierce beats" (heck, i do it two or three times a week usually) -- but if you think that's all that's going on, please know that there is much more happening -- you just aren't ready or able to see it. but that doesn't mean it's not there. maybe one night on the dancefloor you will have the pleasure of that epiphany, of the energy that we create as we connect and dance. or more easily, perhaps in the desert with a small group, or on a mountaintop with 800 incredible souls. i hope so. it surely is one of the most moving experiences possible. love, leslie ---------- >From: goobster >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question # 3: What do you think is missing in our scene? >Date: Mon, Aug 6, 2001, 10:54 PM > >> 1. SPIRITUALITY > >in san francisco there's this obsession with throwing around the word >'spirituality'. so what is 'spiritual' - going to a proper rave, taking >e and dancing to some fierce tracks? yes, all of the above usually >results in having a great time and maybe even some new friends, but in >the end this is all there is - good times, hookups, sense of adventure >etc. i mean, it's awesome, right? but darn, someone had to drag in >'spirituality', and then 'scene', and then it's time to run and hide, >because next comes 'the plur banner' and 'rules of rave etiquette' and >off we go. > >anyways, my humble advice to the peachy-keen ravers - respect other >people's points of view, but be careful who you listen to, always >question 'life wisdom' or 'spiritual advice' people share with you >(however 'old-school' or 'wise' or 'og' they seem), and take ideologies >that people preach (this post is no exception) with a healthy dose of >skepticism and doubt. find your own way. in san francisco, people do >trade in spirituality like wall street trades in stocks, no kidding. >this is not meant to offend anyone on the list - i think it's just >common sense once you've been to haight street, etc. > >getting back to the topic - 'what's missing in our scene' - imho, >nothing is missing, raves are still happening and stuff. people who >complain about the 'scene' usually: don't have a clue/go to the wrong >parties/need to get a life/need to inhale/like to complain about things >in general. > >mad plur, >m. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70449-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 08:18:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51718 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 08:18:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51705 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 08:18:36 -0000 From: "djSyMPLiSTiK" To: "'-ravers61 -'" , Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:18:36 -0700 Message-ID: <003d01c11f19$8e505f80$a4a3fa18@mozart> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2526.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] song id??? Fire Up The Shoesaw by Lionrock djSyMPLiSTiK www.vulpinearts.com hard house / hi-nrg / psytrance > -----Original Message----- > From: -ravers61 - [mailto:ravers61@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:21 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] song id??? > > > hey everyone whats up? I was wondering if anyone could tell > me the name of > the song in the begining of the movie "go" in the opening > credits. You know > when they are showing the rave scene and stuff. thanks :) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70450-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 08:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65008 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 08:49:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64994 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 08:49:00 -0000 From: Klatuu02@aol.com Message-ID: <121.2b9f72b.28a1056d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 04:48:45 EDT To: ecko37@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_121.2b9f72b.28a1056d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? --part1_121.2b9f72b.28a1056d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit issues? explain yourself.. i think people should be about taking care of one another..and not being assholes..guess theres something wrong with me.. oh well... im sorry i was raised thinking unity and peace were a way to live life and not the pursuit of the dollar bill. -nick --part1_121.2b9f72b.28a1056d_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70451-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 08:52:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67772 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 08:52:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67762 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 08:52:56 -0000 From: Klatuu02@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.291b9aa.28a1062b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 04:51:55 EDT To: dan@pry.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12e.291b9aa.28a1062b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HOTEL TRANCE 4 REVIEW *can you say NRG sucks? --part1_12e.291b9aa.28a1062b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmm.. i think you people need to look at and analyze themselves a little better.. i dont think you understand how much anger goes through me when i see people being mistreated or hurt...especially at a rave... if you could only understand that.. much peace --part1_12e.291b9aa.28a1062b_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70452-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 09:00:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70864 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 09:00:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70854 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 09:00:16 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00b801c11f1e$fa0fbd60$0500000a@cryptowhore.org> From: "Scott Solmonson" To: , References: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:57:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Cyberfest Update... Me too! I'm $20 richer! Esmo? -- "faux dork" AIM: IMFDUP SMS: four-oh-eight7186290@mobile.att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Cyberfest Update... > damn, that's the best news i heard all week! > > -yonderB > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70453-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 09:11:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74228 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 09:11:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74218 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 09:11:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010807091121.62797.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Science To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: what threatens our scene - leslie's rant > Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:03:33 -0700 > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > From: "leslie ayres" > Subject: what threatens our scene - leslie's rant > Message-Id: < 20010806220335.QPOM21723.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> > > > people, we must wake up here... Thank you leslie... that was an incredible message. -alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70454-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 09:24:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78914 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 09:24:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78902 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 09:24:31 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.100.38] From: "DJ Tronic" To: jaden375@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 02:24:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 09:24:04.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[B391CAF0:01C11F22] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] FRI AUG 10th! $10! Happy Hardcore/Hard House/Jungle-Matrix WEST!! 9pm-4am! :BSP >What time are Cloudskipper and Spree going on? 1:45-3:00 Main Room Upstairs ;) Andy Tronic >From: "Jaden" >To: >Subject: RE: [sfraves] FRI AUG 10th! $10! Happy Hardcore/Hard >House/Jungle-Matrix WEST!! 9pm-4am! :BSP >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:55:25 -0700 > >What time are Cloudskipper and Spree going on? > >Thanks! >Jaden > >-----Original Message----- >From: DJ Tronic [mailto:datpsychoguy@hotmail.com] >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:26 PM >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] FRI AUG 10th! $10! Happy Hardcore/Hard >House/Jungle-Matrix WEST!! 9pm-4am! :BSP > > >For all the lovers of the Harder and Happier Music in Northern California!! >Do not miss this one!! > >::Begin BSP:: > >Club Matrix West! >Located at 1803 Webster St.-Downtown Oakland > >--snip-- > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70455-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 09:33:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83556 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 09:33:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83545 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 09:33:47 -0000 From: "Rising Sun Management" To: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:37:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 39 Rising sun management roster and tours ising Sun Management: Roster- SUMMER –2001 727 BELLEVUE AV EAST #202 SEATTLE WA 98102 – 206-322-9955PH fax 646-304-4088 westair@speakeasy.org now booking these tours: Disco D will be touring in support of his new mix cd, straight outta da trunk! This tour will have full label support from gti recordings, including ads in magazines and promo material. Here is the press release! Disco D brings ghetto dance music to the masses in October when he releases his first commercially available ghettotech mix CD, Straight Out Tha Trunk, on GTI (Ghetto Tech Institute) Recordings. His innovative combination of electronic and urban sounds has made ghettotech the hottest style of dance music to hit the industry. Disco D has carved a distinct niche for his label, bringing together different schools of sound including techno, house, electro, rap and earlier ghetto styles such as Miami bass and Chicago ghetto house. With his new CD, Disco D not only attracts fans of each of these styles, but now makes ghettotech available to a more diverse audience. Straight Out Tha Trunk arrives as a long awaited addition to the GTI discography. The incredible response and massive bootlegging of his previous unofficial mix CDs illustrates the impact this release will have on a wider range of listeners. This time around Disco D merges his expressive mixing style with a selection of ghettotech tracks he describes as, “only the hot shit, man.” Many of these records are making their debut on Straight Out Tha Trunk including new material from DJ Deeon, DJ Slugo and DJ Nephets of Dance Mania notoriety as well as DJ Godfather of Twilight 76. Of his own material, Disco D submits his remix of 8Ball and MJG’s smash single “Buck Bounce,” and more unreleased original cuts and remixes. As a producer, the 20-year-old took control of ghetto dance music when he released his first record three years ago. His subsequent hits, which include “Where They At” and “You Need Another Drink,” both part of the Straight Out Tha Trunk mix, are internationally established ghettotech staples and have received consistent radio and club play in and out of Detroit since their day of release. As a DJ, Disco D’s abilities extend far beyond the skills demanded by this unique new genre of music. He is a master of quick-cutting mixes and turntablist tricks, described by Details as “a phenom, blowing away DJs twice his age.” GTI Recordings was created when the need for a label specifically geared towards the progression of ghettotech was realized. Now GTI is breaking new ground by combining urban and electronic music to bridge the audiences of both scenes and create a fresh sound. The company is only a year and a half old and already promises to continue the pace it has set, releasing dance floor favorites that appeal to dance music fans around the world. NOW BOOKING FOR OCTOBER – DECEMBER- SONIC GROOVE TOUR: FEATURING FRANKIE BONES- NYC HEATHER HEART- NYC ADAM X- NYC Rotating dates: NIEL LANDSTRUMM- GERMANY/NYC DIETRICH SCHOENEMANN-NYC READE TRUTH- NYC Email bids for the tour to westair@speakeasy.org NOW BOOKING FOR SEPTEMBER- DECEMBER- “GROOVE THE MOVIE” featuring dj forest green- sf- sister and dj bing ching aka dj snazz OCTOBER- DECEMBER RISING SUN PRESENTS : TECHNO DONE RIGHT, LIVE. a cd release party for both neil landstrumm and stewart walker. WITH NIEL LANDSTRUMM- TRESOR - LIVE STEWART WALKER- PERSONA- LIVE adam x- ROSTER- NIEL LANDSTRUMM- TRESOR- GERMANY- NYC ADAM X- SONIC GROOVE- NYC STEWART WALKER LIVE- FORCE INC/TRESOR/PERSONA- BOSTON DJ XS- SISTER SF- SF DISCO D- GTI- DETROIT- DEEON- GTI- CHICAGO CRAIG BELFORD- RIP RECORDS, TARANTELLA/REDENKA- UK JUSTIN JOHNSON- SECRET SOCIETY, CABLE RECORDINGS, NYC SLOBODAN- PLANET RHYTHM- SWEDEN SCOTT RICHMOND- SATELLITE, NYC BING CHING- GROOVE THE MOVIE- LA ROMAN- FUNKY TEKNO TRIBE- SEATTLE TAMARA- OM RECORDS- SEATTLE FOREST GREEN- GROOVE THE MOVIE, ORGANIZED CHAOS, SISTER- SF CHRIS BURFINE- ORGANIZED CHAOS- SF JOE RICE- XLR8R- SF DJ TRACY- SF MICHAEL KNIGHT- SATELITE- NYC DJ NAHA- SYSTEM 6- SEATTLE ZACHARIA- 360 BPM- SEATTLE DJ EDAN- DC SAL PARIDISE- PLASTIC CITY, LAP DANCE, PERSONA- NYC SERAPHIM- SISTER- SF GROVER- ENTOPIC ENTERTAINMENT- SEATTLE TODD RICHMANN- STATE OF MIND- MADISON MATT SCENIC- STATE OF MIND- MADISON MIKE STEVENS-GT- SEATTLE SWANK- UHF- SEATTLE JESS AKA KUNDABUFFER- SEATTLE BUBU- SEATTLE ANIMATED FUSION- SEATTLE JERRY ABSTRACT- SEATTLE/DETROIT PINK 6 VISUALS- SEATTLE DANDILION COLLECTIVE VISUALS- SEATTLE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70456-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 10:02:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17848 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 10:02:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17836 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 10:02:15 -0000 From: DeezzerRec@aol.com Message-ID: <126.29811a2.28a11662@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:01:06 EDT To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_126.29811a2.28a11662_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Cyberfest Tixs Stolen from RParty in Milpitas --part1_126.29811a2.28a11662_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. 20 tickets were stolen from RParty in Milpitas. 800 dollars robbed and this is totally not cool. If anyone has any information on the stolen tickets, please email me or call 408-263-7849. Please inform the person that took them that if they return it, there will be no questions asked, i promise. --part1_126.29811a2.28a11662_boundary-- From sfraves-return-70457-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 10:08:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20872 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 10:08:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20862 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 10:08:54 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:08:41 EDT To: snrgy@childrenofthesun.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! In a message dated 8/6/01 1:43:56 PM, snrgy@childrenofthesun.org writes: << Why would any want to go to a party that has anything to do with Mystical MayhAm-- yarrow is a scrimitt- who's laughing all the to the bank with your money. Anyone who's working with him today, will eventually hate him because it's only matter of money before he fucks you over this is a public service announcement he's the lowest of the low... On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 Yarrow220@aol.com wrote: > > Saturday August 18, 2001 > >> BRING THE FLAME ON YOU IDIOT> THIS PARTY (RANT N RAVE) IS $15 dollars and I like the drama about myself but keep quality events out of it. Furthermoore this is funny coming from a make-up party failure addressing a crew that has always tried to do good lineups, w/ good sound. WE HAVE NEVER HAD A BUSTED PARTY, A MAKE UP PARTY, ANOTHER MAKE UP PARTY ADN THAN NOW PARTiES WITHOUT THE NAME COTS>> YEAH KEEP TALKING.THANK YOU ! And with parties lately @THE METREON, & CONCOUSRE I feel real good about what mystical mayhem has done lately. And worked with alot of other crews like Feel Good, QUEST, HARMONY, STICKY VINLY, COMPRESSION, NATIVE VISION PRODUCTIONS, OLD UNITY VIBE TRIBE, FUNKY BEAT PRODUCITONS, NEXUS, GHOSTRIBE, SKILLS, AND INSOMNIAC, GOODTYME, ELECTRIC NERVE, CRAVE AND MORE. YOU can't even do a party as CHILDREN OF THE SUN ANYMORE. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO STIR IT UP I CAN SCAN AND POST PICTURES OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT PROVED THAT COTS SIGNED FOR AND RECIEVED THOUSANDS OF DOLLSRS FOR A VENUE WHICH CLAIMED IT NEVER THAN GOT THE MONEY FROM ISSAC LABUGEN WHO OF COURSE COULD NOT PRODUCE A RECIET SHOWING HE HAD PASSED THE MONEY ALONG. FURTHEMOORE OUR SPIRITUAL SIGNALS PARTY WAS IN RIO NIDO BECAUSE THE TWO VENUES WE PAID $500 EACH TO VIA COTS BOTH FELL APART AN OF COURSE WE NEVER GOT ANYMONEY BACK FROM THAT. DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO AIR THE PAPER TRAIL OF THE DUMBEST BUNCH OF THUGLET PROMOTERS TO SPEAK PUBLIC HALF TRUTHS WHILE IN FACT TO MAKE THINGS WORSE EVEN AFTER THAT WE PAID COTS WITH CHECKS ( YES I HAVE THE STUBS) FOR PROMOTION ON MAY 19 SERENITY AND INSTED THEY PULLED THE FLYERS OUT OF STORE...AND THAN ISSAC WAS DUMB ENOUGH TO APOLOGIZE IN WRITING FOR PULLING THE FLYER OUT OF STORES THAT I HAD PIAD COTS TO ACTUALLY PASS OUT. SO WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOU WHO USED TO DO A GOOD LEMONADE AND FRUIT CHILL ROOM BUT DEGRADED...EVEN FURTHER TONIGHT WITH YOUR WEAKASS ATTEMPT TO SLANDER ME AND DISRESPECT A GOOD UPCOMING SHOW. You may not like me but anyone who knows me and any of the people who work with me know we care enough to promote hard, book tight ass house, trance ,and jungle.>> I may be a total ass sometimes, usually while working at a show totally tired but what does that have to do with YEAH YOU ARE THE VOICE OF THE MAJORITY and worhty of being an exam FOR WHO I AM FORTUNATEL ENOUGH TO BE RUNNING A STAGE ON SEPT. 1, AND --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70458-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 10:12:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23623 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 10:12:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23611 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 10:12:53 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: <49.f0e81a9.28a1191e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:12:46 EDT To: Yarrow220@aol.com, snrgy@childrenofthesun.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RANT N RAVE...BIG OLD BSP OH YEAH!!!! OPPS TOtired to type but yeah you got a reaction. I am not the thickest skinned person and I work hard and take offense but we can take this private and type away. If I must be a supporting role or cameo in your soap opea lets not clutter the lists, please. Yarrow --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70459-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 13:35:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99720 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 13:35:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99710 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 13:35:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010807133526.85961.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:35:26 -0700 (PDT) From: PimpStress To: DeezzerRec@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <126.29811a2.28a11662@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Cyberfest Tixs Stolen from RParty in Milpitas thats shady sorry to hear that yas --- DeezzerRec@aol.com wrote: > Hello. 20 tickets were stolen from RParty in > Milpitas. 800 dollars robbed > and this is totally not cool. If anyone has any > information on the stolen > tickets, please email me or call 408-263-7849. > Please inform the person that > took them that if they return it, there will be no > questions asked, i > promise. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-70460-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 07 14:38:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67793 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Aug 2001 14:38:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67780 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 14:38:26 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [149.136.221.22] From: "Hobbit ." To: raver@sarilion.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 14:37:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 14:37:59.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E083FE0:01C11F4E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] movies nrr Oh great, here we go again :) >From: Raver >To: sf >Subject: RE: [sfraves] movies nrr >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:26:26 -0700 > >Ya know, I was talking to some of my friends about the movie we just saw, >and I noticed the grass looks much greener today than yesterday. Toast is >really best with marmalade on it, but I didn't have time for that this >morning because I was changing my oil. > >sarilion > >At 11:40 AM 8/6/2001 -0700, Piers Sutton wrote: >>You should already have friends you would want to go to a movie with. I >>like toast. >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Geri Dahl [mailto:eeelips@yahoo.com] >> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:39 AM >> > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> > Subject: [sfraves] movies nrr >> > >> > >> > you can totally tell who you'd never want to go to a >> > good movie with just by posting to sfraves. :) >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with >> > Yahoo! Messenger >> > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org