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Umm.. Dunno if this is a thread I may have missed or just an out of the blue post(being newly married and having lots of projects doesn't leave alot of time for reading every sfr post lately) but I just had to chime in.. If this is about house/party amps only I really have little room to talk cause I deal mostly with car audio, but as far as bridging, I've found that as long as you go with certain brand names with good bridgable reputations you should have no problem.. I blew a power acoustik 600x4 in 2 months bridging it, but this was a components amp, and I was driving cheap reference series subs which don't usually adhere to the ohm standards like good subs, but I've had my fosgate 800a2 running bridged to a single alum12 for quite awhile now and it doesn't even get as hot as the power acoustic running unbridged. I've also seen PPI, Orion, kicker, and MANY other fosgate amps holding bridged loads for years no problem. Keep in mind my setup is supposed to be 4 ohms by fosgate specs and the alum12 run in series like I have it is only 3 ohms, with still no problems. ^^^my $0.02 BTW: One of my current projects is a custom fiberglass molding in my spare tire well for my sub, and after working with the stuff I'm interested in learning or finding info to read on doing custom fiberglass body part replacements, if anyone on this list knows about this give me a yell, I'm not sure about making molds to fabricate hoods/fenders/trunks/bodykits, and was wondering if there's a way other than cardboard or urethane molds.. Help! Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 04:59:04 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Brynne and Hernan Subject: bridging an amp.... Message-id: ...is not recommended. Period. But I do it all the time. The reason it is not recommended is that it puts tremendous strain on the amp. Or rather the circumstance _that you would want to bridge an amp_ put a terrific strain on your amp. No one bridges an amp unless they want every single watt available out of that amp. A 400 watt per side amp is capable of 1600 watts (into 2 ohms) bridge mono(I might have done my math wrong so I thank the person who corrects me) What does this mean, terrific strain? It means an amp that could last so long you could give it to your kids (20 years) will, maybe, last the season(summer, winter pick one). After that you will see cute little sparks, if not flames and smoke coming out of the air vents. Without a doubt, quite a sight to see. The smell will haunt your nightmares and _It always happens at the worst time!_ One good thing if you are just starting out. Once you "Smoke Your Amp" (real soundperson term) breathe in the toxic fumes, memorize them. This smell is important to know. It is the smell of burning electronics. If you memorize the smell well enough, you will be able to detect burnt resisters and capacitors in all the other gear you will "smoke" in your illustrious career. One way I have found to slow this amp aging process is not to drive the amp as hard as you can. Run it into the red and then back it down out of the red. No cheating! I saw that, All the way out of the red. I don't want to hear a peep from those hard working LED's. There is a beautiful Zen logic there, (though it escapes me). There is also a capitalist logic. That of not having to buy a new amp every goddamn 6 months (which doesn't escape me). The distortion levels of a bridged amp are tremendous. A cutsy concept that snotty little assholes bandy about (but I wont trouble you with) is that of High Fidelity. A pristine and clear signal path from groove to addidas. We amp-bridgers demand loud, we don't care about how it sounds. More decibels at any cost, no matter what it takes! If you privately email me the amp name and speaker names I can tell you specifically how to hook it up. I can also get you started on the audio path. I want to be there when the sparks fly! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67679-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 21:58:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64072 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 17:06:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64060 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 17:06:31 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.81.68.42] From: "Sean M" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 10:06:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2001 17:06:04.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C6B2E30:01C10250] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Imagine pics? where are all the imagine pics? Bay area ravers is down, and the only oher pics i saw were on candiekids.com but the imagine photo section wont open either? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67686-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 21:58:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45832 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 21:08:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45822 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 21:08:53 -0000 From: MadPnoy19@aol.com Message-ID: <24.15af61af.2870eb61@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:08:49 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_24.15af61af.2870eb61_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] !!!FREE SERENITY TICKETS!! Giveaway!!!!! --part1_24.15af61af.2870eb61_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is this some kind of cruel joke?! i admit it's funny, but it's cruel none the less. laters! -yonderB --part1_24.15af61af.2870eb61_boundary-- From sfraves-return-67685-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 21:58:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41757 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 20:59:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41747 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 20:59:55 -0000 To: psychedelic_sound@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:25:07 -0700 Message-ID: <20010701.134502.-1403209.0.oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 20-23,25-26 From: ooxkandykidxoo@juno.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Couldn't "Imagine" a Better party this year..... I would have to say that the whole concept of thousands of ravers dancing proud over city hall into the hours of morning truly made the entire event both magical and memorable for a lifetime. I would also have to say that getting this venue was a huge victory for the rave scene, it gave us a chance to prove out desire to be both respected and tolerated throughout the area. A party that totally blew me away, not only did I know, run into, and recognize like literally hundreds of friends, new and old, it gave me a Massive feeling of unity, i even ran into jason (dyloot) and tracer upstairs and after the party and got a chance to chat with them again. SImon rocked too. They all had nice sets too. hence the production crews name...the venue itself truly made it like a raver fairy tail with such beautiful design (I have never been to SF city hall) and would have to say that this party stood out and defnintly made history. good job people for such a great night...and happy birthday denise, i would have to say that if i was her, and i was a hundred feet above thousands of people singing happy birthday in-sync to me, i would have to say that i would fuckin feel like god. I would also have to say that if i spun at that party for some werid odd magical unrealistic reason, i would have to say that it would complete my life...the vibes were crazy and immense....power to the poeple, power to the ravers, power to us.....we conquered SF city hall. whats next? (oO Jowy - the - kandy - kidd oOo) *~*Dance, Listen, Love, Live*~* "Fellow Ravers, The TRUE motive for me raving, stands ONLY; as unquestionable, & quite remarkably inconceivable as well" My Picture online: www.facelink.com/elektrictrance17 SFSU AOL IM oOXxKandyKidxXOo oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com (707) 452 8295 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67678-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 21:58:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99972 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 11:40:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99962 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 11:40:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: , , "f8" Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 04:50:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C101E9.4AF40B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2001 11:39:49.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[88EBE870:01C10222] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 33 by 120 Review - Pictures are up!!! ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C101E9.4AF40B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, what can i say... It was an awesome party! The crew did an awesome = job finding a venue so quick... The visuals were quite nice for an all = sober party, well, mostly sober... i did see a few etards, but not more = than 5... I saw them kick a dealer out, the confinscated his drugs and = money... it was pretty cool, they gave him the option of waiting for the = cops, or handing over the "evidence".... he handed it over. what would = you expect from a crew that WIDELY publicized it's feeling towards drug = use and ESPECIALLY dealers... The music was awesome!!! Kenneth had a great set, Valerie and Anthonymad = had wicked tag-team, Cloudskipper rocked the house as normal!!! Tronic, = i'm sorry, i had to leave early.. My girlfriend was dead tired so i had = to go... but i didn't feel TOO bad, Tronic said he was recording his set = and was going to post it on www.liquidvinyldjs.com so at least i would = be able to hear it... well, i'm hella tired, so i'm going to sleep now... but i did manage to = get the pictures up... I only took 71 Pictures but my room-mate Dato = stayed to the end and I know he took more pictures than i did...so = expect more pictures by the morning!!! Timothy *Cheese* itswidow@hotmail.com http://wwwBayAreaRavers.com ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C101E9.4AF40B80-- From sfraves-return-67682-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 21:58:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10582 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 19:32:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10572 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 19:32:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010701193158.77019.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: beatsincrease To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland - Off the hook!! Went to the Urban Wasteland party with my girlfriend Envirogirl last night- it was held somewhere in the docks of Oakland. We had a bit of fun finding the place, as the people we were sort of following took some wrong turns. Once we were there though, what a spot! The dance area was this big concrete field, in between huge stacks of frieght containers, with this bitchin' view of these gigantic cranes and all of this industrial equipment. It looked straight out of Blade Runner :) The music sort of fit the surroundings- hard techno, verging on hardcore occasionally. That stuff is not my usual cup of tea, but it fit the vibe so perfectly I didn't mind. We saw all of the usual suspects... Osby was there, flaunting a New York accent for the night. It also was great to see Mutex and John V. We met a bunch of other cool SFR types as well. I was surprised to find all of these people I knew out at this desolate, uh, wasteland! Oh, back to getting lost on the way there, the infoline directions were pretty vague, which turned out to be a good thing, as it seemed to throw the cops off. A couple of squad cars made the rounds, and you could see them driving along. They never seemed to find the place, which was pretty amazing. Anyway, big ups to the Urban Wasteland crew. That was a night to be remembered. George C. Music to metastatize to - www.dj2music.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67680-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 21:58:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97476 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 19:06:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97465 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 19:06:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: "Sean M" , , , References: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:15:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2001 19:05:50.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7F8FE60:01C10260] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] "Imagine" and "33 by 120" pics? Okay... I figured out what why no one was able to view our site... damn software router... I disabled the router and now the site is available to the public... sorry! by the way, the pics might be a little slow loading... our server is only a Pentium 200 w/mmx with 64MB RAM... not too sufficient for an NT4 system running a web site and an email server along with a proxy server... (if anyone knows someone who would want to donate a better server, let me know...) anyways, pics are up... check 'em out, and let me know if you guys have any problems... Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean M" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: [sfraves] Imagine pics? > where are all the imagine pics? Bay area ravers is down, and the only oher > pics i saw were on candiekids.com but the imagine photo section wont open > either? > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67681-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 21:58:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2342 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 19:15:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2330 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 19:15:48 -0000 From: Megatron45@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:15:39 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sf-jungle@saturn5.com, sfdnb@yahoogroups.com, dnb@lists.breakbeat.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e0.16e6b98c.2870d0db_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp-Compression tonite @ An Sibin-San Francisco --part1_e0.16e6b98c.2870d0db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey people. come out tonite and check out Compression, SF's sunday DnB weekly. it takes place at An Sibin located at 1176 Sutter @ Polk in San Francisco. Come by and check out the Megatron along with Havok tonite for some crazy beats and hardcore basslines. the jungle pounds from 8pm til 2am so make sure u drink some water and wear your earplugs so you can make it thru the nite. its 21+ and it's 3bux @ the door. hope to see yall there thaMEGATRON --part1_e0.16e6b98c.2870d0db_boundary-- From sfraves-return-67688-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 22:05:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83020 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 22:05:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83010 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 22:05:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.12.83.123] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:04:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2001 22:04:42.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[D48D6860:01C10279] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> hi people... well, this is my first time of being able to go to a party back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 saturday. wow...what a weekend. i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it off. the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then met up with a real kool kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around 930ish...the venue was great...this is prolly one of those parties that require safety precautions to go to b/c u had to cross an active railroad...where train pass by 24-7. it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i dont think i can specify the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, they had an outdoor porch thing where people chilled and caught some fresh air....or take a smoke... imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the other half of the plan in the upcoming event focus. i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% no drug policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the venue were kicked out. i walked in in the middle of kenneth's set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since popsikle...and dated way back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as off as usual. then, i dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some phat hard nrg/tekno beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at the end of his set...whoever u are...much props to u. then....anthonymad and ms. valerie sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a dope set. i dont kno which one of them played the "magic carpet ride....song...(dont kno the title) but that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin that one i can tell u. back and forth i went outside and inside the building...i met some new and familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from crave...charlie...tracer...dj focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i cant remember their names. i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be there, but i never saw her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont be back for so long. ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops rolling down and caused the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a while...then it was loud again. then...one of my favs in psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most psy-chadelik tracks out there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he ended his set with some goa breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his set short....pete nice came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on earlier...then...a whole other round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was waiting for some trance so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie finally came on to close the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& *))) sorry cant say what it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he also played one of my favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i was feelin it right there. then, we called it a night...went back to mike's house and caught some sleep...yawn. i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, enormous, gargantuant, way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to star...for takin the time to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had fun. well, people, thats about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) -paul dj_choco@hotmail.com "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your own imagination to make your own reality." words by paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67689-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 22:15:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85787 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 22:15:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85777 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 22:15:33 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.176.140.39] From: "trance fiend" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:15:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2001 22:15:04.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[47718720:01C1027B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long i've been raving since 1989 and i've yet to ever see a promoter like coolworld....they make tons of excuses for whatever reason and choose not to accept responsibility for their own negligence....below is a recent exchange of e-mails between coolworld staff and myself...i thought i'd pass this along to the list for anyone else to read that would like.....also, in regards to the spring party in SF and all the djs that didn't play, coolworld is claiming that 10+ djs just simply didn't quote unquote "show up" to play at this party....ironically it was all the local djs that were cut from this venue.....as far as what coolworld is telling everyone, this is giving those djs a bad name by not showing up to spin....why on earth would any promoter, no matter how large or small, dog out the djs like this?.....my vote is i'll never attend another coolworld event....ever....i'm the hugest sasha and john digweed fan on the planet, but not even a sasha and digweed performance is enough to get me to attend another coolworld event if they ever booked them....this is only my opinion, but i'll have to say that i'm joining the opinions of many on this one.....i realize there are peeps out there that like the coolworld parties, and by all means go if you wanna......personally, i'm just really tired of promoters that can't even keep something as simple as a promise.....just my opinion little matt Matt wrote: >ok coolworld, whatever......no shows on the djs at spring?....i guess thats >why there were only two rooms huh?....you had three rooms on the >flyer....this is what i was talking about in regards to coolworld not >keeping their promises.....last year at cyberfest you guys promised we >could stay at the fairgrounds until 10 a.m., it was all over the flyers and >every info line you had....i even checked the info lines up until the >minute i left for the show....you guys kicked everyone out right after >oakenfold finished his set forcing all the kids out into the streets....in >regards to the negative reputations, yes, i agree the scene does have a bad >rep.....but does coolworld really think they don't have a bad >reputation?....as far as promoters go, you guys have one of the worst >reputations out there....i'm not dogging out your company or anything like >that, but just giving you a tip on what's going on out here.....i'm fairly >new to the area and i've found that every time, every single time i mention >the coolworld name i get a grimace from the individual or some kind of >negative statement about your company and all the unfulfilled >promises.....as far as promoters who give me my monies worth, insomniac >tops the bill.....every, and i do mean every, insomniac party i've been to >i've always been more than impressed.....everything has always been >delivered as promised.....there was once last year they had an artist that >didn't show at one of the events, so they sent out an e-mail to all the >rave lists and their e-mail list apologizing to all the peeps for what >happened.....haven't seen or heard of coolworld doing that yet, ever.....my >argument?....spring.....still no acceptable answer as to what >happened......there is no way in the world that any promoter anywhere can >tell me 10+ djs just "didn't show" as you have said.....do i get my monies >worth with coolworld?....no.....i'll go join all the other kids and hook up >with promoters who keep their promises.....good luck coolworld, you'll need >it.....i won't be seeing you at cyberfest this year, no matter who's on the >bill.....responding to this e-mail will be useless as it will be deleted an >not read.....i'm way too busy in my life and career to spend any further >time in this > >later > >matt > >-----Original Message----- From: info@coolworld.com >[mailto:info@coolworld.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 11:33 PM To: Matt >Subject: Re Cyberfest > >Greetings... > >Thanks for the input we appreciate everyones opinions. D12, which is Em's >new group was not our first choice but we decided to go with it, because >there was a large amount of people who requested this. Everyone from here >to Houston said they wanted to see him on the bill. Secondly, he is only >acting in some of his lyrics and Em is a raver that started out in the >underground rave scene on the East Coast performing at Raves. If you check >the history he is completely into the scene. As far as the negative, 99% >of our bill is electronic and DJ's and we feel that this will just help >cross our scene over to the mainstream more. > >You have to realize that it's not Coolworld that has the negative rep., but >the scene in general. We pioneered the outdoor dance festival concept and >have pushing this for 12 years and the media still gives us problems!! The >govt. is no better, so we try and give the best to all of you and what were >trying to do is change the face of the scene to a more mainstream look in >the medias eyes so that stop focusing on drugs. Also, by having the >biggest artist in the Country on the bill, we will be able to open new >doors in the industry. Did we need Em and D12 to draw people, NO, but we >have to open as many doors to Dance Culture and if that means sometimes >doing things that we would normally not do, then we have to make these >sacrifices. The show is going to rock, 99% of what we promise comes thru. >Also, we didn't cancel people at Spring because of tix sales...they were no >shows and the reason the show only had 4000 people is because we promoted >it light and only had 1 month. > >Either way we hope you support us and we appreciate your time...at the end >of the day, look at every promoter and production company and you ask your >self who gives you your monies worth! > >Coolworld > >Matt wrote: > > > cyberfest staff, > > i was looking very forward to going to cyberfest >this year. that is until > you added eminem to the line-up. the whole >concept of our culture represents > so many beautiful things, and above all >else PLUR. with that in mind, eminem > in no way, fashion, shape or form >represents or supports anything within our > culture. i really would >suggest that coolworld rethink this booking. in my > opinion, here's my >prediction for what's going to happen at this years > > > cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the bill. this event is going >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and b-boy types that are into >the > violence that eminem represents. there are going to be a lot of >fights and > conflict, and security will be a complete and total nightmare. >i really do > see this as a grave error in the decision making on >coolworld's part. i'm > not going to tell you i told you so after all of it >happens, but i quite > guarantee you that this e-mail will be one of the >first thoughts that runs > through coolworlds minds after the unnecessary >fights, conflict and violence > get out of hand at the event. coolworld >already has a really negative > reputation on the west coast, this is going >to do nothing but fuel that > reputation enough to the point that northern >cali just simply will not > > > support coolworld any longer. if you guys cant already see your decline > > happening in north cali, look at the sandra collins party you threw >recently > in downtown sf. look at how many djs you guys cut off the >line-up because > not enough tickets sold. that was the second coolworld >event i've attended, > and the second time coolworld has failed to deliver >everything as promised. > you guys do put on a great party, but too many >failed promises too many > times eventually leads to a companies demise and >by their own hand. please > start delivering what you promise in your >parties, and please re-think > > > eminem for this years cyberfest. > > matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67690-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 22:26:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91696 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 22:26:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91686 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 22:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20010701222606.1787.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: kimba Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net To: beatsincrease , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010701193158.77019.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1490093070-994026366=:1693" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland - Off the hook!! --0-1490093070-994026366=:1693 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii YES indeedy!! =) UW pulled another one off -- done proper. hey and nice to finally put a face to that infamous name --- Osby! til nex' time >:} kimba beatsincrease wrote: Went to the Urban Wasteland party with my girlfriend Envirogirl last night- it was held somewhere in the docks of Oakland. We had a bit of fun finding the place, as the people we were sort of following took some wrong turns. Once we were there though, what a spot! The dance area was this big concrete field, in between huge stacks of frieght containers, with this bitchin' view of these gigantic cranes and all of this industrial equipment. It looked straight out of Blade Runner :) The music sort of fit the surroundings- hard techno, verging on hardcore occasionally. That stuff is not my usual cup of tea, but it fit the vibe so perfectly I didn't mind. We saw all of the usual suspects... Osby was there, flaunting a New York accent for the night. It also was great to see Mutex and John V. We met a bunch of other cool SFR types as well. I was surprised to find all of these people I knew out at this desolate, uh, wasteland! Oh, back to getting lost on the way there, the infoline directions were pretty vague, which turned out to be a good thing, as it seemed to throw the cops off. A couple of squad cars made the rounds, and you could see them driving along. They never seemed to find the place, which was pretty amazing. Anyway, big ups to the Urban Wasteland crew. That was a night to be remembered. George C. Music to metastatize to - www.dj2music.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1490093070-994026366=:1693-- From sfraves-return-67691-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 22:45:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96582 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 22:45:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96564 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 22:45:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.220] From: "innocentchild" To: , "beatsincrease" , References: <20010701222606.1787.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:44:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2001 22:45:09.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B65B610:01C1027F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland - Off the hook!! UW like always didn't let us down in anyway. Came out to a sea of cargo containers with people dressed as dock workers telling you were to go park. Seems like a lot of people had problems finding the place including the police who kept driving by, but couldn't figure out where it was. Quite the turnout that I haven't seen since the old port of oakland Cranium party. I think that was the last big UW party that occured before the tragic shutdown from the flyer faux pas. I brought a friend who is nothing close to being a raver, but who I thought would get a kick out of seeing what we all do. I had him bring along his bad ass digital camera (Olympus E10 for those who know what that is) and take pictures. I'll have to get them up online. I was out shooting with film and if you saw someone running around with an orange kosmo delivery bad and a tripod that was your's truly. Went and explored a bit with Lydia and it's all about that other loading dock with the cargo containers. Running around under them was quite fun and felt like I was in some 70's police drama. I won't forget that part of the night ever. Headed back to where all of our friends were back at the party and chilled for a bit. I had just hosted a pool/spa/bbq function at my house all day with the sfr-planners, acme, and friends prior to UW. We all caravaned out there and it was good to have such a large number of sfraves kids out there, and all behaving and obeying the rules of a ug. I ran into Gabriel (knowmadae) and of course Don and John. Osby was still wound up from the party before and ran around the party. Didn't see much of him once we got there, but everyone else seems to have! Usual Osby MO. The official name dropping: Dave, Audra, Mariana, Lorin, Lydia, Nicola, Aaron W, Natalie, Osby, Migurski, Drew, Veronica, Jenna and whoever else was in that caravan a big thanks for such a great day and night! Time for the next bbq =) ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "kimba" To: "beatsincrease" ; Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland - Off the hook!! > > YES indeedy!! =) UW pulled another one off -- done proper. > > hey and nice to finally put a face to that infamous name --- Osby! > > til nex' time >:} kimba > > > > > > beatsincrease wrote: > Went to the Urban Wasteland party with my girlfriend Envirogirl > last night- it was held somewhere in the docks of Oakland. We had a > bit of fun finding the place, as the people we were sort of following > took some wrong turns. Once we were there though, what a spot! The > dance area was this big concrete field, in between huge stacks of > frieght containers, with this bitchin' view of these gigantic cranes > and all of this industrial equipment. It looked straight out of Blade > Runner :) The music sort of fit the surroundings- hard techno, verging > on hardcore occasionally. That stuff is not my usual cup of tea, but > it fit the vibe so perfectly I didn't mind. > We saw all of the usual suspects... Osby was there, flaunting a New > York accent for the night. It also was great to see Mutex and John V. > We met a bunch of other cool SFR types as well. I was surprised to > find all of these people I knew out at this desolate, uh, wasteland! > Oh, back to getting lost on the way there, the infoline directions were > pretty vague, which turned out to be a good thing, as it seemed to > throw the cops off. A couple of squad cars made the rounds, and you > could see them driving along. They never seemed to find the place, > which was pretty amazing. > > Anyway, big ups to the Urban Wasteland crew. That was a night to be > remembered. > > George C. > > Music to metastatize to - www.dj2music.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67692-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 23:19:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6424 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 23:19:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6414 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 23:19:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: "Dan Haskovec" , , , "f8" References: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:29:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2001 23:19:24.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[44034C50:01C10284] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] "Imagine" and "33 by 120" pics? Would anyone happen to know where we could host our site? We require PHP4 (with GD_Lib enabled), PERL, ASP, SQL, Lots of Bandwidth, and enough space for our pictures (and maybe a couple mixes), with NO restrictions on Uploads or Hits... This is a none profit website, so the price would hopefully be fairly reasonable... maybe free, like if someone has a T1 line @ home... **wink wink, nudge nudge** Let me know if you have any leads... Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Haskovec" To: "Cheese" Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] "Imagine" and "33 by 120" pics? > The bottleneck is likely not your machine, but your network connection. > Cable modems usually have their upstream bandwidth limited to 128kbits/sec > or thereabouts, which makes it hard to have all of sfraves viewing your > site at the same time... > > dan > > > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Cheese wrote: > > > Okay... I figured out what why no one was able to view our site... damn > > software router... I disabled the router and now the site is available to > > the public... sorry! > > > > by the way, the pics might be a little slow loading... our server is only a > > Pentium 200 w/mmx with 64MB RAM... not too sufficient for an NT4 system > > running a web site and an email server along with a proxy server... (if > > anyone knows someone who would want to donate a better server, let me > > know...) > > > > anyways, pics are up... check 'em out, and let me know if you guys have any > > problems... > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sean M" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:06 AM > > Subject: [sfraves] Imagine pics? > > > > > > > where are all the imagine pics? Bay area ravers is down, and the only > > oher > > > pics i saw were on candiekids.com but the imagine photo section wont open > > > either? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67693-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 23:42:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21342 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 23:42:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21185 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 23:42:43 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:53:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Our Weekend So Far.... Well, no dancin' yet. Hope to go to Mission Rock tonight and dance at the Wicked party with Harvey from the UK. Yes, yes... First, I want to thank all of you on the list for your love and kind words the past few days. You are all such beautiful people. Our friend Rick. Rick was never a touch and feel kind of guy. Most we've ever done is the occasional pat on the back. I don't know if they have him on happy drugs or the stroke rewired his brain, but when he saw us for the first time as himself on Friday he greeted us like some dude who had been isolated on an island for years. Hugs, hugs. Such joy on his face. Although his speech is still messed up and he has problems with numbers and time (continuously confusing days with weeks with months), he seems to be able to deal with rather complex ideas and at least knows where he is and what happened to him. Guess last week they took him out on some evaluation trip to see if he could do simple things like buy a coke from a machine and get on public transit. This was before he got his memory back. Rick's description of all this was amazing -- a person for the first time seeing the N-Judah. He described it as a frightening machine with thousands of unhappy people getting on and off. Yes. He described with great relish other experiences, including a visit to his old apartment with neighbors greeting him and Rick not knowing any of them. But I guess this excursion must have rewired some cells or something, because shortly after that his memory came back. Wow. So Friday night we were very happy for him, but at the same time kinda' emotionally drained and we decided to stay home and go to bed early. Wanted to hit a friend's going away party on Saturday and then Urban Wasteland. At 1:00 AM we hear some noise outside. Get up, and go down to look around. Now, we have a flagpole that is well-known in our neighborhood. We fly flags expressing peace 'n love as well as honoring various nationalities and occasions. For June, of course, we had the Rainbow flag on display -- the symbol of gay pride. Well, we discovered we had been the victims of a hate crime. Our flag pole was torn down and destroyed. Flag desecrated. About thousand dollars of damages done all around. Call the police. They finally come at 3:00 AM. And we couldn't get back to sleep. But we filed this as a hate crime. Next day I'm really pissed at the world. Make fliers offering a reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those involved and put them up all over the neighborhood. Later that day neighbors show up, including some kids who had made a card with a picture of the flagpole with a peace flag. The kids had collected $20.00 amongst themselves so that they could help replace the pole. My new surfer neighbor, who has a stable of friends comprising some of the hottest straight jocks in town, comes over with some wicked bud and his friends plan a stake out. Another person who we have never seen brings a Rainbow flag and inside the flag is another big bud. Ah, yes. There are some evil people in the world, but most are good and I'm lucky to have neighbors like this. So tired that evening after cleaning things up and no sleep we decide to blow off all parties and go to bed. 3:00 AM another attack. This time they tried to destroy the tree we planted two years ago. Don't know if it can be saved, but the police arrived in ten minutes this time and some neighbors, Green Action people, attempted to chase the haters down. So that's where we are at these days. One could laugh at all this. Ha. Oppression brings people together, and our little domestic issues have faded in the face of all this hate. Best of all we have really felt the love and support from our neighbors. The evil thing is that even in San Francisco there is homophobia. Every time I think I'm safe something like this happens. Wonder why some folks hate us so much? And tonight if we can get together enough energy after two nights of little sleep we will dance. Much love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67694-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 01 23:43:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23002 invoked by uid 1104); 1 Jul 2001 23:43:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22992 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 23:43:34 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:52:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 4th of July Party? Does anyone one know of a great "all night dance party" in the bay...Plz let me know if you have heard of any...ASAP Magick 916-521-1139 AIM : mrlaither143 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67695-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 02:06:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77006 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 02:06:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76995 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 02:06:13 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c1029c$6ab9cdc0$6601a8c0@phawxbawx> Reply-To: "Aaron" From: "Aaron" To: "innocentchild" , References: <20010701222606.1787.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:12:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland - Off the hook!! Okay I juss wanna throw in some quick thoughts. First after driving around for thirty minutes we finally found the place. We knew what we were looken for but just didn't see it. It was nice to have a good laugh once we finally realized we had passed by the place three or four times, and gave us good hope that if we could barely find it the cops would have some issues as well. The space was AMAZING. I kept looking around doing 360's taking in the world. So industrial, so cool! I was another kid runnen around taken pics with my digital camera. Some of the shots I got were bad-assed to say the least. The chill room was a great addon, albeit creepy. The single red (LED?) light was a nice touch also. It was nice to see all the people from Ryan's rawken UW pre-party. Definately a great way to start the night. Highlights include: Meeting Forest Green, finally making it out to a UW party after trying to go for about a year, getting to party with my homeboy who is moving down to LA next week, getting to see Jenna one last time before she goes to France, and the record player playing trippy stuff in the chill room (crate) Thanks to everyone who made my weekend rawken. =) -Aaron Aaron@technolounge.org www.technolounge.org -=KidPhawx [ASR Family/Ignition/SFRaves]=- ----- Original Message ----- > UW like always didn't let us down in anyway. Came out to a sea of cargo > containers with people dressed as dock workers telling you were to go park. > Seems like a lot of people had problems finding the place including the > police who kept driving by, but couldn't figure out where it was. Quite the > turnout that I haven't seen since the old port of oakland Cranium party. I > think that was the last big UW party that occured before the tragic shutdown > from the flyer faux pas. I brought a friend who is nothing close to being a > raver, but who I thought would get a kick out of seeing what we all do. I > had him bring along his bad ass digital camera (Olympus E10 for those who > know what that is) and take pictures. I'll have to get them up online. I was > out shooting with film and if you saw someone running around with an orange > kosmo delivery bad and a tripod that was your's truly. Went and explored a > bit with Lydia and it's all about that other loading dock with the cargo > containers. Running around under them was quite fun and felt like I was in > some 70's police drama. I won't forget that part of the night ever. Headed > back to where all of our friends were back at the party and chilled for a > bit. I had just hosted a pool/spa/bbq function at my house all day with the > sfr-planners, acme, and friends prior to UW. We all caravaned out there and > it was good to have such a large number of sfraves kids out there, and all > behaving and obeying the rules of a ug. I ran into Gabriel (knowmadae) and > of course Don and John. Osby was still wound up from the party before and > ran around the party. Didn't see much of him once we got there, but everyone > else seems to have! Usual Osby MO. The official name dropping: Dave, Audra, > Mariana, Lorin, Lydia, Nicola, Aaron W, Natalie, Osby, Migurski, Drew, > Veronica, Jenna and whoever else was in that caravan a big thanks for such a > great day and night! Time for the next bbq =) > > ryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kimba" > To: "beatsincrease" ; > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland - Off the hook!! > > > > > > YES indeedy!! =) UW pulled another one off -- done proper. > > > > hey and nice to finally put a face to that infamous name --- Osby! > > > > til nex' time >:} kimba > > > > > > > > > > > > beatsincrease wrote: > > Went to the Urban Wasteland party with my girlfriend Envirogirl > > last night- it was held somewhere in the docks of Oakland. We had a > > bit of fun finding the place, as the people we were sort of following > > took some wrong turns. Once we were there though, what a spot! The > > dance area was this big concrete field, in between huge stacks of > > frieght containers, with this bitchin' view of these gigantic cranes > > and all of this industrial equipment. It looked straight out of Blade > > Runner :) The music sort of fit the surroundings- hard techno, verging > > on hardcore occasionally. That stuff is not my usual cup of tea, but > > it fit the vibe so perfectly I didn't mind. > > We saw all of the usual suspects... Osby was there, flaunting a New > > York accent for the night. It also was great to see Mutex and John V. > > We met a bunch of other cool SFR types as well. I was surprised to > > find all of these people I knew out at this desolate, uh, wasteland! > > Oh, back to getting lost on the way there, the infoline directions were > > pretty vague, which turned out to be a good thing, as it seemed to > > throw the cops off. A couple of squad cars made the rounds, and you > > could see them driving along. They never seemed to find the place, > > which was pretty amazing. > > > > Anyway, big ups to the Urban Wasteland crew. That was a night to be > > remembered. > > > > George C. > > > > Music to metastatize to - www.dj2music.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67696-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 02:41:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89378 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 02:41:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89361 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 02:41:54 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001801c102a0$51e57660$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "trance fiend" , References: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:39:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long I work for coolworld... and i talk 2 a lot of people and get their opinions on Coolworld events.. i hear positive and negative feedback.. but for someone 2 get upset for your reasons is ridiculous I really dont kno wut u r talking about when u refer to spring.. George Acosta and R.A.W. did not play... for wutever reasons it duznt really matter, i dont think u really kno wut u are talking about... and as far as promoters beings shady.... if u dont like shady promoters DONT GOTO RAVES!!! every promoter is "shady" to some extent... its how parties actually happen.. What promoters keep their promises...?? What is a Promoter Promise...?? have u ever thrown a party??? especially in the bay area all your months of work can fall apart right in front of your eyes the day of the event...!!! if u really dislike coolworld then that is your opinion and you are definately entitled to it... but i dont see why u need to post to mailing lists because u werent completely satisfied with a party.. your reasons for your dislike for coolworld are pretty weak... maybe u just need 2 further clarify... we do take imput and suggestions L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "trance fiend" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long > i've been raving since 1989 and i've yet to ever see a promoter like > coolworld....they make tons of excuses for whatever reason and choose not to > accept responsibility for their own negligence....below is a recent exchange > of e-mails between coolworld staff and myself...i thought i'd pass this > along to the list for anyone else to read that would like.....also, in > regards to the spring party in SF and all the djs that didn't play, > coolworld is claiming that 10+ djs just simply didn't quote unquote "show > up" to play at this party....ironically it was all the local djs that were > cut from this venue.....as far as what coolworld is telling everyone, this > is giving those djs a bad name by not showing up to spin....why on earth > would any promoter, no matter how large or small, dog out the djs like > this?.....my vote is i'll never attend another coolworld > event....ever....i'm the hugest sasha and john digweed fan on the planet, > but not even a sasha and digweed performance is enough to get me to attend > another coolworld event if they ever booked them....this is only my opinion, > but i'll have to say that i'm joining the opinions of many on this one.....i > realize there are peeps out there that like the coolworld parties, and by > all means go if you wanna......personally, i'm just really tired of > promoters that can't even keep something as simple as a promise.....just my > opinion > > little matt > > Matt wrote: > > >ok coolworld, whatever......no shows on the djs at spring?....i guess thats > >why there were only two rooms huh?....you had three rooms on the > >flyer....this is what i was talking about in regards to coolworld not > >keeping their promises.....last year at cyberfest you guys promised we > >could stay at the fairgrounds until 10 a.m., it was all over the flyers and > >every info line you had....i even checked the info lines up until the > >minute i left for the show....you guys kicked everyone out right after > >oakenfold finished his set forcing all the kids out into the streets....in > >regards to the negative reputations, yes, i agree the scene does have a bad > >rep.....but does coolworld really think they don't have a bad > >reputation?....as far as promoters go, you guys have one of the worst > >reputations out there....i'm not dogging out your company or anything like > >that, but just giving you a tip on what's going on out here.....i'm fairly > >new to the area and i've found that every time, every single time i mention > >the coolworld name i get a grimace from the individual or some kind of > >negative statement about your company and all the unfulfilled > >promises.....as far as promoters who give me my monies worth, insomniac > >tops the bill.....every, and i do mean every, insomniac party i've been to > >i've always been more than impressed.....everything has always been > >delivered as promised.....there was once last year they had an artist that > >didn't show at one of the events, so they sent out an e-mail to all the > >rave lists and their e-mail list apologizing to all the peeps for what > >happened.....haven't seen or heard of coolworld doing that yet, ever.....my > >argument?....spring.....still no acceptable answer as to what > >happened......there is no way in the world that any promoter anywhere can > >tell me 10+ djs just "didn't show" as you have said.....do i get my monies > >worth with coolworld?....no.....i'll go join all the other kids and hook up > >with promoters who keep their promises.....good luck coolworld, you'll need > >it.....i won't be seeing you at cyberfest this year, no matter who's on the > >bill.....responding to this e-mail will be useless as it will be deleted an > >not read.....i'm way too busy in my life and career to spend any further > >time in this > > > >later > > > >matt > > > >-----Original Message----- From: info@coolworld.com > >[mailto:info@coolworld.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 11:33 PM To: Matt > >Subject: Re Cyberfest > > > >Greetings... > > > >Thanks for the input we appreciate everyones opinions. D12, which is Em's > >new group was not our first choice but we decided to go with it, because > >there was a large amount of people who requested this. Everyone from here > >to Houston said they wanted to see him on the bill. Secondly, he is only > >acting in some of his lyrics and Em is a raver that started out in the > >underground rave scene on the East Coast performing at Raves. If you check > >the history he is completely into the scene. As far as the negative, 99% > >of our bill is electronic and DJ's and we feel that this will just help > >cross our scene over to the mainstream more. > > > >You have to realize that it's not Coolworld that has the negative rep., but > >the scene in general. We pioneered the outdoor dance festival concept and > >have pushing this for 12 years and the media still gives us problems!! The > >govt. is no better, so we try and give the best to all of you and what were > >trying to do is change the face of the scene to a more mainstream look in > >the medias eyes so that stop focusing on drugs. Also, by having the > >biggest artist in the Country on the bill, we will be able to open new > >doors in the industry. Did we need Em and D12 to draw people, NO, but we > >have to open as many doors to Dance Culture and if that means sometimes > >doing things that we would normally not do, then we have to make these > >sacrifices. The show is going to rock, 99% of what we promise comes thru. > >Also, we didn't cancel people at Spring because of tix sales...they were no > >shows and the reason the show only had 4000 people is because we promoted > >it light and only had 1 month. > > > >Either way we hope you support us and we appreciate your time...at the end > >of the day, look at every promoter and production company and you ask your > >self who gives you your monies worth! > > > >Coolworld > > > >Matt wrote: > > > > > cyberfest staff, > > i was looking very forward to going to cyberfest > >this year. that is until > you added eminem to the line-up. the whole > >concept of our culture represents > so many beautiful things, and above all > >else PLUR. with that in mind, eminem > in no way, fashion, shape or form > >represents or supports anything within our > culture. i really would > >suggest that coolworld rethink this booking. in my > opinion, here's my > >prediction for what's going to happen at this years > > > > > cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the bill. this event is going > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and b-boy types that are into > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are going to be a lot of > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a complete and total nightmare. > >i really do > see this as a grave error in the decision making on > >coolworld's part. i'm > not going to tell you i told you so after all of it > >happens, but i quite > guarantee you that this e-mail will be one of the > >first thoughts that runs > through coolworlds minds after the unnecessary > >fights, conflict and violence > get out of hand at the event. coolworld > >already has a really negative > reputation on the west coast, this is going > >to do nothing but fuel that > reputation enough to the point that northern > >cali just simply will not > > > > > support coolworld any longer. if you guys cant already see your decline > > > happening in north cali, look at the sandra collins party you threw > >recently > in downtown sf. look at how many djs you guys cut off the > >line-up because > not enough tickets sold. that was the second coolworld > >event i've attended, > and the second time coolworld has failed to deliver > >everything as promised. > you guys do put on a great party, but too many > >failed promises too many > times eventually leads to a companies demise and > >by their own hand. please > start delivering what you promise in your > >parties, and please re-think > > > > > eminem for this years cyberfest. > > matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67697-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 03:33:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8242 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 03:33:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8232 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 03:33:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.176.140.39] From: "trance fiend" To: djesmo@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:32:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 03:32:48.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAAD1B70:01C102A7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long a promoter promise is the promoter actually following through with what they say.....not some of what they say, not partially what they say, not even most of what they say, but all of what they say.....sometimes things fall through and i understand that completely....i also understand that everything can fall through at the last minute....but so far both coolworld events i've been to came no where close to coolworld following through with what they've said they would....and from what i understand, this is a trend coolworld follows quite a bit....all promoters shady?....absolutely not....it's that kind of mentality in a company that i stay away from.....and the fact still remains, coolworld still can not give any kind of acceptable answer as to why they cut so many djs off the spring line-up.....so far all i've gotten is that all the djs that did not play just didn't show up....now, i'm given two of those dj names on that bill with the reason that they "just did not play".....unacceptable....my opinion is only my opinion.....but this response below still goes to prove that coolworld or their employees just can not give any straight answers and quite simply can not accept responsibility for their own actions.....i cut the rest of the thread on this to save a little bandwidth.....it was a long post to begin with and i'm gonna assume it's gonna continue getting longer......i'm not dogging your company, just stating my opinion....if a company is going to throw a party, then throw the party with ALL the djs that are promised.....if any are cut from the line-up or just do not show, then it should be the promoters responsibility to apologize to the people that put the money into their pockets.....coolworld still hasn't done this yet from any of their parties, at least not that i've seen so far.....i could be wrong, and if i am i stand corrected....but the fact still remains that coolworld hasn't held up to their end of things from beginning to end that i've seen so far.....and now for a representative of a promotion company to just flat out tell someone to not go to raves because everyone is shady?....i think that one speaks for itself, a coolworld rep themself inadvertantly says the company has shady ways....like i said, only my opinion little matt >From: "E S M O" >To: "trance fiend" , >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:39:53 -0700 > >I work for coolworld... >and i talk 2 a lot of people and get their opinions on Coolworld events.. >i hear positive and negative feedback.. >but for someone 2 get upset for your reasons is ridiculous >I really dont kno wut u r talking about when u refer to spring.. >George Acosta and R.A.W. did not play... >for wutever reasons it duznt really matter, i dont think u really kno wut u >are talking about... >and as far as promoters beings shady.... >if u dont like shady promoters DONT GOTO RAVES!!! >every promoter is "shady" to some extent... >its how parties actually happen.. >What promoters keep their promises...?? >What is a Promoter Promise...?? >have u ever thrown a party??? >especially in the bay area all your months of work can fall apart right in >front of your eyes the day of the event...!!! >if u really dislike coolworld then that is your opinion and you are >definately entitled to it... >but i dont see why u need to post to mailing lists because u werent >completely satisfied with a party.. >your reasons for your dislike for coolworld are pretty weak... >maybe u just need 2 further clarify... >we do take imput and suggestions >L8 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67698-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 03:38:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13238 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 03:38:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13226 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 03:38:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702033838.9790.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:38:38 -0700 (PDT) From: elias smith To: The Raves of our Lives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Particular DJ at Urban Wasteland??? Does anyone know who the DJ after Sir Nod was? I believe he was third in the line-up and had some sort of headlight attached to his head. And he was playing tekno. -g __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67699-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 04:04:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27665 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 04:04:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27649 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 04:04:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:01:23 -0700 From: Erik W Gilling To: elias smith Cc: The Raves of our Lives Message-ID: <20010701210123.B3601@optimus.konkers.net> Reply-To: Erik W Gilling References: <20010702033838.9790.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+g7M9IMkV8truYOl" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010702033838.9790.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>; from elias_smith@yahoo.com on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 08:38:38PM -0700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Particular DJ at Urban Wasteland??? --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was Sameer. -Erik On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 08:38:38PM -0700, elias smith wrote: > Does anyone know who the DJ after Sir Nod was? > I believe he was third in the line-up and had some > sort of headlight attached to his head. > And he was playing tekno. > -g >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7P/ITdimitSujKBMRAglOAJ0ag7lu0Mxl6mX0Hv6nbMomYqfAygCeN/me 5fuQN1BOuk5s7WshiswN7No= =V9v2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl-- From sfraves-return-67700-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 04:11:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31206 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 04:11:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31196 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 04:11:35 -0000 Message-ID: <02d101c102ac$edaf3e80$0500000a@cryptowhore.org> From: "Nathan Seven" To: "trance fiend" , , References: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:10:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long Hey- I got a solution to all of your problems. Next Coolworld event you go to, you sneak in. That way, no matter what happens, no matter who doesn't show up or whatever- You got in for FREE!- So NO BITCHING :) -- "I am not grandpa!" AIM: IMFDUP --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67701-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 05:03:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44997 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 05:03:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44986 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 05:03:36 -0000 From: MoonChyld1@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.ddcbf19.28715a97@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:03:19 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3e.ddcbf19.28715a97_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] tina's LA weekend review --part1_3e.ddcbf19.28715a97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, so i was really in need of a mini vacation, and i had been meaning to visit my friend aaron down in riverside ever since he moved down there months ago.... so i drove down on thursday, and i thought i'd never get there! i finally got to aarons at about 12:30, and we just talked and watched weird tv movies until like 4 in the morning... so friday was just a chill day since we were tired and some other friends of aaron's were comming down from marin in the afternoon... we got to visit the lovely riverside galleria, and beautiful downtown riverside... i even got a tour of the hall of justice =) lol but once the girls from marin showed up we all headed out to aaron's friend amy's house to just kick back and drink coronas and hang out... we tried to go to this amusement, carnival thing on the way back but it was only open another hour and you had to buy a wristband for the day and we only wanted to go on one ride... we had to go back to amy's cuz aaron forgot his house keys, and by the time we got back to him place we were all tired and just crashed... we decided to check out the electric daisy carnival... so saturday night aaron and i took off.. (the girls were anti-rave that night and plus they were underage and wouldn't have been able to go to the afterhours so they did their own thing) the directions were weird and we somehow ended up in malibu, but that was cool cuz there was an awesome fireworks display out on the beach... so after our little detour, we finally got there at like 10pm. i knew it was packed when the whole parking lot and the surrounding streets were full of cars.... as we walk up the security gaurd tells us that the party is over at 11:30... so i glad i lagged on getting a presale cuz it would have sucked to have gotten one... so some guy gave us a list of free/or discounted afterparties at different clubs in LA. and some other kid gave us a bunch of ticket stubs so we could get in... first we went to giant... and it was 18+ which i guess is not normally the case... the club it was at was kind cool as far as the setup goes, but the crowd sucked... and the music was ok, but nothing impressive... and then some LA club trash guy spent 20 minutes trying to convince me to leave with him and i'll spare you all the details of his proposition, but let me just say that i was totally shocked that anyone would use that as a pick up line.. but he was wierd... and some other kid didn't want to talk to me when i told him i wasn't rollin and that the reason why was that i didn't want too, i guess that didn't make sense... and some of the security there was rude! but it was overall weak so we took off for this other club... and let me just say OHMIGOD!! so dj sneak was playing a 5 hour set starting at 4 at this place... and we prolly should have just gone straight there since we had planned on going there anyways.... this club was fucking sick... the whole set up was awesome....there was like a balcany overlooking the dance floor, in like a semi-circle... there was some really cool arcitecture and designs, and really high ceilings.... and hanging over the dj booth were these like torch like things that looked like flaming ceramic pots.... and the music just kicked my ass... but the time we got there we had been out all day shopping and hanging out and after the other club, and i was so tired, but there's something about really good music that kinda forces you to go on... if that set was recorded, i'm determined to get a copy, it was so fat! we finally left around 6:30 since we were both exhasted and had been sober all night minus some stoli vanilla, and i forgot the mah wong at home so.... and then it was the fun 6 hour drive home... but it was all totally worth it! lol if anyone read this far, you must be bored.... oh well i hope everyone had a great time up here in the bay, and i look forward to reading the urban wasteland reviews! love and hugs and kisses, tina --part1_3e.ddcbf19.28715a97_boundary-- From sfraves-return-67702-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 05:38:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54916 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 05:38:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54906 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 05:38:07 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:46:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Untiltled Weird thing, I just found this poem, i dont even remember writing it, tell me what you think Magick give her the light summernight's Soft beauty-over her I pour The splendor of the vanishing Sun- Over her hair-over her Face over her white dress- Of the booming sea- With the sinuous Snake like curves of the shoreline --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67703-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 05:40:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56378 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 05:40:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56368 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 05:40:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702054018.14309.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: elias smith To: trance fiend , djesmo@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long BULLSHIT. First off ESMO, not all promoters are shady. Don't fill peoples minds with crap so your crew can make a buck. It's shady to bust ass and haul a sound system out to a field or beach and invite people for free? It's shady to spend countless hours getting out of town talent that DO show up for a break even party? You've been working for Foolworld too long. Do you realize you are insulting someone that paid you money?? Does it matter why George Acosta and R.A.W. didn't show up? It matters to the people that paid you to see them play. They were ripped off. THEY WERE RIPPED OFF. And now their complaints are called "weak" and "ridiculous". Your response has only shown Trance Fiend your company's true arrogance. What promoters keep their promises you ask?? I could give you a list of these promoters but I've wasted enough time on you. > > >From: "E S M O" > >To: "trance fiend" , > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady > ways....this is long > >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:39:53 -0700 > > > >I work for coolworld... > >and i talk 2 a lot of people and get their opinions > on Coolworld events.. > >i hear positive and negative feedback.. > >but for someone 2 get upset for your reasons is > ridiculous > >I really dont kno wut u r talking about when u > refer to spring.. > >George Acosta and R.A.W. did not play... > >for wutever reasons it duznt really matter, i dont > think u really kno wut u > >are talking about... > >and as far as promoters beings shady.... > >if u dont like shady promoters DONT GOTO RAVES!!! > >every promoter is "shady" to some extent... > >its how parties actually happen.. > >What promoters keep their promises...?? > >What is a Promoter Promise...?? > >have u ever thrown a party??? > >especially in the bay area all your months of work > can fall apart right in > >front of your eyes the day of the event...!!! > >if u really dislike coolworld then that is your > opinion and you are > >definately entitled to it... > >but i dont see why u need to post to mailing lists > because u werent > >completely satisfied with a party.. > >your reasons for your dislike for coolworld are > pretty weak... > >maybe u just need 2 further clarify... > >we do take imput and suggestions > >L8 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67704-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 06:12:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62931 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 06:11:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62921 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 06:11:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [172.157.79.189] From: "Cindy L." To: norcalraver@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:11:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 06:11:25.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2FFD2A0:01C102BD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long ok.. it seems as if ur saying that raves are limited to only "ravers".. or what u believe to be "ravers".. but i think the scene should be open to all types of people.. even.. as u call them.. "thug and b-boy types".. they are people too who enjoy parties and dancing and djs like everyone else that attend these raves.. and they have every right to be there.. what happened to.. "peace, love, unity, and.. dont forget this one.. respect".. i think raves and promoters shouldn't exclude anyone from their parties.. but should respect everyone and their choices.. just because u think someone "looks" thuggish or appears that way.. that they are going to cause trouble or start fights.. if u combine thousands of different people into one atmosphere.. anything could happen.. fights.. drug busts.. riots.. whatever.. please do not focus just on what u think thugs are.. if anything.. i would love to see eminem and d12 perform.. i think its great that coolworld is trying to bring everyone.. no matter how different they are.. together.. and w/ eminem and d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while back ago.. um.. metropolis? they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of people watching them.. and a lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. u don't see a lot of hip hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in the past so why would he be any different then black eyed peas.. or krs.. or de la soul.. or any other others.. i read posts on and off about negative media publicity about our scene.. but if anything u have to invite the people in so that they could experience it themselves and see how wonderful our culture really is.. i am not trying to diss u and im not saying that everything i write is correct.. and yes i know that a lot of u will disagree w/ me.. but one reason i came into this scene is for the acceptance everyone has for one another.. no matter how they dress.. what type of music they prefer.. how they dance.. what they look like.. so on.. if this is what some of u claim.. i do not see it happening by putting down certain groups of people and making them feel unwelcome.. we are a part of a culture w/ a loving atmosphere w/ loving people and w/ acceptance.. but.. all in all.. if u do not like a production company or a party just don't go.. u could complain all u want but please do not put anyone down.. thanks whew.. sorry so long guys.. but i wanted to somehow get my point across.. From: "trance fiend" >cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the bill. this event is going >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and b-boy types that are into >the > violence that eminem represents. there are going to be a lot of >fights and > conflict, and security will be a complete and total nightmare. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67705-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 06:12:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64141 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 06:12:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64131 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 06:12:28 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010701231428.00de5e40@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: gruvnkim@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:14:28 +0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." In-Reply-To: <001801c102a0$51e57660$1e02fea9@djesmo> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long being from seattle, i don't know much about coolworld.. but i really took offense to the philosophy expressed in this post, and feel the need to comment. At 07:39 PM 7/1/01 -0700, E S M O wrote: >George Acosta and R.A.W. did not play... >for wutever reasons it duznt really matter, i dont think u really kno wut u >are talking about... when the dj's at coolworld events do not play, is there a sign at the door announcing this so that people who want to hear those specific dj's know in advance? is it announced on the info-line? also, how could it not matter what reason? if you purchased a $40 product and upon getting it home discovered that some of the parts were missing, would you be okay with having the store tell you "well, sorry, they were just missing. for whatever reason. it doesn't really matter." >and as far as promoters beings shady.... >if u dont like shady promoters DONT GOTO RAVES!!! >every promoter is "shady" to some extent... >its how parties actually happen.. >What promoters keep their promises...?? hmm. again, this is disturbing philosophy. if you had a lover who hit you, would you think to yourself "well, every relationship is shady to some extent. guess i should expect this kind of thing." why should you settle for the lowest common denominator? even if all promoters *were* shady (which i strongly disagree with), why would that make it any more okay for the company you work for to be? also, why would you want to be involved in 'rave' at all if you feel that the majority of the people throwing events have bad intentions and are untrustworthy? i'm not a hopeless idealist; i realize that there is definitely sketchiness out there and have seen it firsthand. but why would you accept that as normal and expected? why would you not care enough to fight for something better? >What is a Promoter Promise...?? promoters don't have their own special kind of promise; it's the same thing you'd expect from any company that you purchased a product from. the product should be as described. if it's defective in some way, the buyer should be notified beforehand and a refund offered. not really a whole lot to ask, is it? >have u ever thrown a party??? >especially in the bay area all your months of work can fall apart right in >front of your eyes the day of the event...!!! of course shit happens. but that's not an excuse to rip people off. i don't think dancers expect promoters to be superhuman... but expecting them to be honest is not unreasonable. also, i don't see why someone would need to have thrown an event to be worthy of a quality product for their money. but, if it makes you respect my opinion any more, i have facilitated numerous gatherings. it's really not hard to change the info line to state which performers aren't going to be able to make it and put a small sign at the door. most people will attend the event anyway once they've spent all the time and effort to get there. but you owe it to them to let them know if you are not providing something they paid for. >if u really dislike coolworld then that is your opinion and you are >definately entitled to it... >but i dont see why u need to post to mailing lists because u werent >completely satisfied with a party.. do these people throw events for their own masturbation & ego boosts or to give something back to the community? if it's the latter, how could it *not* be important for dancers to let them know what they thought? >your reasons for your dislike for coolworld are pretty weak... >maybe u just need 2 further clarify... >we do take imput and suggestions so input and suggestions are welcome, but only if they are flattering? honesty is not encouraged? i know very little about coolworld, but if you represent their philosophy, i can't see how disliking that would be 'weak'. being successful does not mean just being financially successful. (as a promoter or in life in general) kim * experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * http://www.nwtekno.org * AIM gruvkim & ICQ 2388692 http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67706-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 06:32:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70291 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 06:32:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70280 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 06:32:00 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.20] Message-Id: <20010702063155.013CF2751@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Whatta Dope Saturday Night/ Early Sunday Morning!!! OK, so Yeaterday to Early this morning was totally filled with the most Awesome stuff I've went through in a long time!!! I mean, So I get to Ryan's for his BBQ/Swimming shindig & Wow! So Awesome!! Almost all my Brothers & Sisters whom I Love w/ all my <3 were all there!!! Finally Saw Miki & Jason after Hella Daze & Wow! I miss seein' those 2 like almost all the time!! But yeah, Deep HOuse, Break Beats, & NRG spun!! But what totally did it for me was the HappyHardcore a la Aryck totally did it for me!! Hello 2Day!!! OK, yeah, I did get a kick out pushin' people in the swimming pool & Thank God I wasn't thrown in!! I mean, it took me 5 minutes to fix my hair & I was So havin' a Groovy Hair day! But I'm soooo Happy I gotta kick it w/ everyone!!! Dave, Ofcourse Ryan, aK, My Suburban Ghetto Wanna be English Talker Lil' Bro Aaron, My Homeboy Jeff, Becca, Veronica, My Darlin' Nic, Miki, J, Mike, Marianna, Alida, Lyds, Jenna, Jeramy, Mike, Dan, Steve, Wow, I know there's like more people who were there, but I so can't remember names. But perfect start to an Awesome night! OK, then we go to this Totally Awesome Rave that Wow, Had the best time in a long time!! Oh My Gosh man! I mean, Dope location! Awesome Decorations I mean, the industrial, uncomplete look was perfect! LoL! Right away when we got there, Takno was totally bumpin!! Wow!! Oh yeeeeaaah, & the Vibe was sooooooo Groovy!!! I mean, ever yone there was full of so much good energy! So I met a few SFRs there! Ari (sp?) was there & man, he is So CooL! Totally Good Hugger! OH, OK, Hello 2Day, met Serephim after hella daze of Emailing each other! LoL!! We hella totally chatted away when we finally met each other!!! It was So Groovy!!! LoL! Then I met Kimba who totally greeted me with Awesome Energy!!! Wow!! Sara, U Rock Girl!!! I did Kick it alot w/ Jon, Don, Coleen, & George! But man, met so Many Awesome People! It was Dope 'cause I did run into people who we like remembered wach other from other Raves and clubs and stuff. There was even a person or two who I met when I worked at Hotel Ibiza! It was Dope!! Oh yeah, I did kick it alot w/ Forest Green...LoL!!! It was fun hangin' out w/ her!! There was even a point where Sara, Forest, & I were like kickin' it in front of the DJ booth & well......LoL! OK, Music! Tekno played a good whole chunk of the time! Then this one DJ hits the decks & starts his set out w/ this like downtemp-ish/ old skool breakbeats track that was Sick! Then he went into Breakbeats into house into house into hard house and then into this totally melodic Tekno which was totally Sick then into Techno! It was a Dope Set!! Then closing set was Dominatrix!!! Hello 2Day!!! So Awesome!! She fuckin' Rocked!! I mean, her opening track was this totally melodic/ high chord jungle song that almost sounded like HappyHardCore, but Sara assured me it was Jungle! I swear man, it was Dope dancing & I haven't danced myself to exsaustion like I did at this Rave in a long time! Wow! Natalie, U got some \/\/icked moves Girl! Oh man, & that flip you did was sick! Mike Migurski, I'm tellin' ya man, U Groove Hard Homie!!! It Parties like these that totally restore my faith in the scene & keeps me in it, ya know!! I mean, Dope Vibes, Sick music,everything!!! I'm like on totaly afterglow man!! OK, now I gotta figure out what my cat brought home! It's either a bat, a bird, or a really big bug! Have a Groovy Day everyone! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67707-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 06:39:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72802 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 06:39:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72792 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 06:39:16 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.46.18] From: "Natalie Villalobos" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:21:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1028C.EFE62940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 06:38:46.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5097A50:01C102C1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] UW ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1028C.EFE62940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good Evening!! mmmm! YuMMY! Last nites Urban Wasteland party was = phenominal!! It was my first, and hopefully not my last!! Like Aaron = said, we had a crazy time getting to the space. I think we were all so = hyped up offa red bull and good vibes that we didn't recongize the = obvious. Brandon sure is a great navigator.I saw the usual people and = got to meet Nicola which was really awesome, and jon v. and i cut it up = dancing on the concrete. We are going to be candy kids one day ;) = hehehehe. I really soaked up the vibe and was diggin the cool evening = air with the sinister techno and dnb. i love dancing to that stuff cuz = it just hits you so hard. The girl on stilts, the guy with the batons he = set afire and the chill room with the creepy record player were def. = some of the accents that made the nite memorable. Of course the = industrial surroundings and lights as well as the great people created = an atmosphere that was unmatched by any other party that i have been to. = Getting home was great too..dennys,human traffic, and me falling asleep = rite away cuz i was burned out from warped tour. It was an awesome nite = and morning, thanks to everyone.. misa Aj, Brandon, Ryan, Osby, Jon, = Nicola, and the other random people that i met, and the people i ran = into while i was dancing! Everyone have a great week! hope to see = everyone at Ascension :)=20 >---*nah*duh*lee*---< ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1028C.EFE62940-- From sfraves-return-67708-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 06:40:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75038 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 06:40:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75026 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 06:40:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.46.18] From: "Natalie Villalobos" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:23:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C1028D.2CE2F440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 06:40:27.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1868E00:01C102C1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Late Ascension Review ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C1028D.2CE2F440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It has been a long while since I have posted to the list! I was = nah*duh*lee if anyone remember.. I would like to say a lil sumthin = sumthin about Ascension last nite! First off me and Aaron didn't get = there till 11, and i was already shakin my thang in the car to this = happycore song that was stuck in my head. I was ready to get infront of = Amber and Drgnfly and go crazy. Once we get there I saw many familiar = faces! Osby was bustin with positive energie like always, and had the = honor of meeting Korina/Corina and Shane :) *high times* ; P When i went = downstairs with Becca, I was thrilled to see so many people! Really good = turn out! Last week, there were about half the people, and this week = people were stompin on each others heels cuz everyone wanted to dance! = There was a wonderful vibe!! Really down to earth, homey feeling. = Epiphany had some really cool decor, with a collage of the ladies, = alters, random signs, disco balls to give away!! Very dope! Reminiscent = of Groove. Cool visuals complete with parts of the lost boys. I was = wandering around taking picturs of everyone!! I was the girl in the = black shirt and light blue utility skirt!! I will post the pictures soon = :) "Shake" outside was dope, supplying the cold Berkeley air with some = free flowin verses, and everyone seemed to be diggin that! When the = final record was spinning, everyone was standing there stunned, because = they could not describe the feeling that Amber and Drgnfly had just = delivered. It was awesome! Encore! 1 more!! Jon! i can't wait to be a = candykid hehehe! It was nice meeting all the new people and i hope to = see you next Thursday! Wow! I lubs Ascension, a tight a$$ weekly with = amazing people, and a positive vibe ; ) Have a very good weekend = everyone!! nahDUHlee ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C1028D.2CE2F440-- From sfraves-return-67709-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 07:10:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86977 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 07:10:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86967 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 07:10:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702071039.56165.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: "Cindy L." , norcalraver@hotmail.com Cc: sf raves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long I have to agree with Cindy hear. I went to my first hip hop(Jurassic 5) show not that long ago, and I was under the assumption that it was going to be real shady but it turned out to be the exact opposite of what I had expected and I had a great time. There wear every type of person at this show, from rasta, to college preps, to b-boys, to kandy kids at this show. I am just glad that I was open minded enough to enter in to THEIR world. jamie --- "Cindy L." wrote: > > ok.. it seems as if ur saying that raves are limited > to only "ravers".. or > what u believe to be "ravers".. but i think the > scene should be open to all > types of people.. even.. as u call them.. "thug and > b-boy types".. they are > people too who enjoy parties and dancing and djs > like everyone else that > attend these raves.. and they have every right to be > there.. what happened > to.. "peace, love, unity, and.. dont forget this > one.. respect".. i think > raves and promoters shouldn't exclude anyone from > their parties.. but should > respect everyone and their choices.. just because u > think someone "looks" > thuggish or appears that way.. that they are going > to cause trouble or start > fights.. if u combine thousands of different people > into one atmosphere.. > anything could happen.. fights.. drug busts.. > riots.. whatever.. please do > not focus just on what u think thugs are.. if > anything.. i would love to see > eminem and d12 perform.. i think its great that > coolworld is trying to bring > everyone.. no matter how different they are.. > together.. and w/ eminem and > d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while > back ago.. um.. metropolis? > they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of > people watching them.. and a > lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. u > don't see a lot of hip > hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in > the past so why would he > be any different then black eyed peas.. or krs.. or > de la soul.. or any > other others.. i read posts on and off about > negative media publicity about > our scene.. but if anything u have to invite the > people in so that they > could experience it themselves and see how wonderful > our culture really is.. > i am not trying to diss u and im not saying that > everything i write is > correct.. and yes i know that a lot of u will > disagree w/ me.. but one > reason i came into this scene is for the acceptance > everyone has for one > another.. no matter how they dress.. what type of > music they prefer.. how > they dance.. what they look like.. so on.. if this > is what some of u claim.. > i do not see it happening by putting down certain > groups of people and > making them feel unwelcome.. we are a part of a > culture w/ a loving > atmosphere w/ loving people and w/ acceptance.. > but.. all in all.. if u do > not like a production company or a party just don't > go.. u could complain > all u want but please do not put anyone down.. > thanks > whew.. sorry so long guys.. but i wanted to somehow > get my point across.. > > From: "trance fiend" > >cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the bill. > this event is going > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and > b-boy types that are into > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are > going to be a lot of > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a > complete and total nightmare. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67710-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 07:13:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89371 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 07:13:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89353 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 07:13:33 -0000 Message-ID: <00e501c102c7$1a227da0$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: "Rebecca Davis" , Cc: References: <20010702045959.63634.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:17:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: stilldream I will just have to say one thing about this party, and it just brought a huge ass grin to my face. At around 6 am or so, the kids on the dance floor who were left (about 6 or 7), all of a sudden just got up and started picking up trash from everywhere. In effect, the entire area where the party was being held was cleaned up of most of its trash within a half hour.. One girl even went around picking up all the cigarette butts! No one had asked them to do this, they simply did. For the next hour or so after that, alovely girl with the name of Terra (how appropriate), walked around with her feather boa and pacifier and proceeded to range farther and farther out gathering whatever trash people left around as they got up in the morning. Needless to say I havent seen a group of people do something like this since the Camp Harmony of 1999. Respect to those who were there... And did anyone else happen to catch Mars in the sky last night? Was quite beautiful! -Bryan Da Kandyman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca Davis" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: stilldream : I showed up somewhere around 4:00 pm to a place about 20 minutes : out of Oroville. My first impression was brought on by the : sight of a biker wedding at the cafe close to the camp (hmm, : this might be interesting). They had the place set up : beautifully, the stage was surrounded by hills to give the area : an almost ampetheatre effect. There were three sets of hay : bales with paintings on them and a big stage in front. : : People were slim in the afternoon hours, but as the sun set and : it began to cool down, ravers came filing out of the camping : area and down to the dance area. The lighting on the hills and : the blacklights looked awesome and as the night wore on the vibe : became absolutely phenominal. Some people had driven 6 hours to : be at the party and everyone was having a great time. : : It sucked that it seems a lot of kids have gotten too lazy to : drive 90 minutes to see awesome talent. The bikers were all : really nice and regardless of the annoying medic Roco (who was : Jerry Garcia's personal medic, have you), the huge beetle(s), : and the unfortunate theft (which again made me realize how : parties really are not safe), I had an awesome time. The amount : of love and dedication that went into this event was obvious to : the ones that enjoyed it. : : Thanks again Stilldream : ~becky : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail : http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67711-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 07:21:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93619 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 07:21:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93609 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 07:21:49 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c102c7$ebb15760$41c10518@pinol1.sfba.home.com> From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: "Jamie Murray" , "Cindy L." , Cc: "sf raves" References: <20010702071039.56165.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:23:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long The crowd at a J-5 show and a Eminiem show are not comparable. I listen to both of those artists,however I wouldnt want Eminem at a "rave" especially up here in the bay area. Remember who was just on the "up in smoke tour", Snoop, Dre, Eminem, Nate Dog, Warren G, some good artists some not so good but I would understand why a raver wouln't feel comfortable at a party with g-funk crowd at there rave. then again, I've never been to a cool world party, nor will I ever go to a cool world party. maybe thats just my morals. - jer p.s richie hawtin rocked my world last night. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Murray" To: "Cindy L." ; Cc: "sf raves" Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long > I have to agree with Cindy hear. I went to my first > hip hop(Jurassic 5) show not that long ago, and I was > under the assumption that it was going to be real > shady but it turned out to be the exact opposite of > what I had expected and I had a great time. There > wear every type of person at this show, from rasta, to > college preps, to b-boys, to kandy kids at this show. > I am just glad that I was open minded enough to enter > in to THEIR world. > jamie > --- "Cindy L." wrote: > > > > ok.. it seems as if ur saying that raves are limited > > to only "ravers".. or > > what u believe to be "ravers".. but i think the > > scene should be open to all > > types of people.. even.. as u call them.. "thug and > > b-boy types".. they are > > people too who enjoy parties and dancing and djs > > like everyone else that > > attend these raves.. and they have every right to be > > there.. what happened > > to.. "peace, love, unity, and.. dont forget this > > one.. respect".. i think > > raves and promoters shouldn't exclude anyone from > > their parties.. but should > > respect everyone and their choices.. just because u > > think someone "looks" > > thuggish or appears that way.. that they are going > > to cause trouble or start > > fights.. if u combine thousands of different people > > into one atmosphere.. > > anything could happen.. fights.. drug busts.. > > riots.. whatever.. please do > > not focus just on what u think thugs are.. if > > anything.. i would love to see > > eminem and d12 perform.. i think its great that > > coolworld is trying to bring > > everyone.. no matter how different they are.. > > together.. and w/ eminem and > > d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while > > back ago.. um.. metropolis? > > they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of > > people watching them.. and a > > lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. u > > don't see a lot of hip > > hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in > > the past so why would he > > be any different then black eyed peas.. or krs.. or > > de la soul.. or any > > other others.. i read posts on and off about > > negative media publicity about > > our scene.. but if anything u have to invite the > > people in so that they > > could experience it themselves and see how wonderful > > our culture really is.. > > i am not trying to diss u and im not saying that > > everything i write is > > correct.. and yes i know that a lot of u will > > disagree w/ me.. but one > > reason i came into this scene is for the acceptance > > everyone has for one > > another.. no matter how they dress.. what type of > > music they prefer.. how > > they dance.. what they look like.. so on.. if this > > is what some of u claim.. > > i do not see it happening by putting down certain > > groups of people and > > making them feel unwelcome.. we are a part of a > > culture w/ a loving > > atmosphere w/ loving people and w/ acceptance.. > > but.. all in all.. if u do > > not like a production company or a party just don't > > go.. u could complain > > all u want but please do not put anyone down.. > > thanks > > whew.. sorry so long guys.. but i wanted to somehow > > get my point across.. > > > > From: "trance fiend" > > >cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the bill. > > this event is going > > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and > > b-boy types that are into > > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are > > going to be a lot of > > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a > > complete and total nightmare. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67712-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 07:34:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96796 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 07:34:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96784 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 07:34:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702073408.93951.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: trance fiend , sf raves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long I do also agree with you on the shadiness of Coolworld though. I attended a New Years Coolworld event that happened in 94/95. A roit broke out in front because they closed the doors right before the count down to the new year. and yes there where ticket holders out front waiting to get in. I did however attend Spring (3/01, in SF)to give them a second chance, and was not highly impressed. Thought they could have done a lot better being Coolworld and all. Jamie --- trance fiend wrote: > i've been raving since 1989 and i've yet to ever see > a promoter like > coolworld....they make tons of excuses for whatever > reason and choose not to > accept responsibility for their own > negligence....below is a recent exchange > of e-mails between coolworld staff and myself...i > thought i'd pass this > along to the list for anyone else to read that would > like.....also, in > regards to the spring party in SF and all the djs > that didn't play, > coolworld is claiming that 10+ djs just simply > didn't quote unquote "show > up" to play at this party....ironically it was all > the local djs that were > cut from this venue.....as far as what coolworld is > telling everyone, this > is giving those djs a bad name by not showing up to > spin....why on earth > would any promoter, no matter how large or small, > dog out the djs like > this?.....my vote is i'll never attend another > coolworld > event....ever....i'm the hugest sasha and john > digweed fan on the planet, > but not even a sasha and digweed performance is > enough to get me to attend > another coolworld event if they ever booked > them....this is only my opinion, > but i'll have to say that i'm joining the opinions > of many on this one.....i > realize there are peeps out there that like the > coolworld parties, and by > all means go if you wanna......personally, i'm just > really tired of > promoters that can't even keep something as simple > as a promise.....just my > opinion > > little matt > > Matt wrote: > > >ok coolworld, whatever......no shows on the djs at > spring?....i guess thats > >why there were only two rooms huh?....you had three > rooms on the > >flyer....this is what i was talking about in > regards to coolworld not > >keeping their promises.....last year at cyberfest > you guys promised we > >could stay at the fairgrounds until 10 a.m., it was > all over the flyers and > >every info line you had....i even checked the info > lines up until the > >minute i left for the show....you guys kicked > everyone out right after > >oakenfold finished his set forcing all the kids out > into the streets....in > >regards to the negative reputations, yes, i agree > the scene does have a bad > >rep.....but does coolworld really think they don't > have a bad > >reputation?....as far as promoters go, you guys > have one of the worst > >reputations out there....i'm not dogging out your > company or anything like > >that, but just giving you a tip on what's going on > out here.....i'm fairly > >new to the area and i've found that every time, > every single time i mention > >the coolworld name i get a grimace from the > individual or some kind of > >negative statement about your company and all the > unfulfilled > >promises.....as far as promoters who give me my > monies worth, insomniac > >tops the bill.....every, and i do mean every, > insomniac party i've been to > >i've always been more than impressed.....everything > has always been > >delivered as promised.....there was once last year > they had an artist that > >didn't show at one of the events, so they sent out > an e-mail to all the > >rave lists and their e-mail list apologizing to all > the peeps for what > >happened.....haven't seen or heard of coolworld > doing that yet, ever.....my > >argument?....spring.....still no acceptable answer > as to what > >happened......there is no way in the world that any > promoter anywhere can > >tell me 10+ djs just "didn't show" as you have > said.....do i get my monies > >worth with coolworld?....no.....i'll go join all > the other kids and hook up > >with promoters who keep their promises.....good > luck coolworld, you'll need > >it.....i won't be seeing you at cyberfest this > year, no matter who's on the > >bill.....responding to this e-mail will be useless > as it will be deleted an > >not read.....i'm way too busy in my life and career > to spend any further > >time in this > > > >later > > > >matt > > > >-----Original Message----- From: info@coolworld.com > > >[mailto:info@coolworld.com] Sent: Thursday, June > 28, 2001 11:33 PM To: Matt > >Subject: Re Cyberfest > > > >Greetings... > > > >Thanks for the input we appreciate everyones > opinions. D12, which is Em's > >new group was not our first choice but we decided > to go with it, because > >there was a large amount of people who requested > this. Everyone from here > >to Houston said they wanted to see him on the bill. > Secondly, he is only > >acting in some of his lyrics and Em is a raver that > started out in the > >underground rave scene on the East Coast performing > at Raves. If you check > >the history he is completely into the scene. As > far as the negative, 99% > >of our bill is electronic and DJ's and we feel that > this will just help > >cross our scene over to the mainstream more. > > > >You have to realize that it's not Coolworld that > has the negative rep., but > >the scene in general. We pioneered the outdoor > dance festival concept and > >have pushing this for 12 years and the media still > gives us problems!! The > >govt. is no better, so we try and give the best to > all of you and what were > >trying to do is change the face of the scene to a > more mainstream look in > >the medias eyes so that stop focusing on drugs. > Also, by having the > >biggest artist in the Country on the bill, we will > be able to open new > >doors in the industry. Did we need Em and D12 to > draw people, NO, but we > >have to open as many doors to Dance Culture and if > that means sometimes > >doing things that we would normally not do, then we > have to make these > >sacrifices. The show is going to rock, 99% of what > we promise comes thru. > >Also, we didn't cancel people at Spring because of > tix sales...they were no > >shows and the reason the show only had 4000 people > is because we promoted > >it light and only had 1 month. > > > >Either way we hope you support us and we appreciate > your time...at the end > >of the day, look at every promoter and production > company and you ask your > >self who gives you your monies worth! > > > >Coolworld > > > >Matt wrote: > > > > > cyberfest staff, > > i was looking very forward > to going to cyberfest > >this year. that is until > you added eminem to the > line-up. the whole > >concept of our culture represents > so many > beautiful things, and above all > >else PLUR. with that in mind, eminem > in no way, > fashion, shape or form > >represents or supports anything within our > > culture. i really would > >suggest that coolworld rethink this booking. in my > > opinion, here's my > >prediction for what's going to happen at this years > > > > > cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the > bill. this event is going > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and > b-boy types that are into > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are > going to be a lot of > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a > complete and total nightmare. > >i really do > see this as a grave error in the > decision making on > >coolworld's part. i'm > not going to tell you i > told === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67713-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 07:51:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5924 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 07:51:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5914 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 07:51:09 -0000 Message-ID: <9778652.994060233644.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: protokol To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 66.81.40.88 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] brand new records is it necessary to play brand new records everytime you spin? i mean, what if you got this one or track that's a year old. or what if like half of your collection is a year old. do you just leave them sitting in the crate? _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67714-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 07:57:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9478 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 07:57:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9466 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 07:57:43 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c102cc$daaf4cb0$63f05140@jinx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "protokol" , References: <9778652.994060233644.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:59:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] brand new records You spin whatever you feel like playing.. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." ----- Original Message ----- From: "protokol" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 12:50 AM Subject: [sfraves] brand new records > is it necessary to play brand new records everytime you spin? i mean, what > if you got this one or track that's a year old. or what if like half of your > collection is a year old. do you just leave them sitting in the crate? > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67715-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 08:08:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13981 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 08:08:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13971 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 08:08:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702080812.63573.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: sf raves Cc: Pual CHOCO In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a wonderful time kickin it with you, making kandy and looking at pictures oh and of course cant forget about all those parties. I any of you out there don't have a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. Thank you. Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his set and that was some pretty nice jungle. Valerie Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good to put a face with the name by the way, hope to see you at future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I lacked I still managed to groove my A** off as much as I could. did a lot of standing around but not by choice, My legs where just so sore after Ascencions and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I have gone to since I have been back in the scene. Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as meet a few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody and friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in some drama and a mew friend Mike and his little/big foe paw...anyways!!!!... Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you where caught selling drugs they would kick you out. They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And they sucessed!!! But on the same token they where also very fair about the situations. It was also that type of attitude that makes me want to come back to their parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside during this song. Thank you in advance. Jamie --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > hi people... > > well, this is my first time of being able to go to a > party > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 > saturday. wow...what a weekend. > i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it > off. > > the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then > met up with a real kool > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around > 930ish...the venue was > great...this is prolly one of those parties that > require safety precautions > to go to b/c u had to cross an active > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i > dont think i can specify > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, > they had an outdoor porch > thing where people chilled and caught some fresh > air....or take a smoke... > imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the > other half of the plan > in the upcoming event focus. > > i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% > no drug > policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the > venue were kicked out. i > walked in in the middle of kenneth's > set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since > popsikle...and dated way > back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as > off as usual. then, i > dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some > phat hard nrg/tekno > beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at > the end of his > set...whoever u are...much props to u. > then....anthonymad and ms. valerie > sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a > dope set. i dont kno which > one of them played the "magic carpet > ride....song...(dont kno the title) but > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin > that one i can tell u. > > back and forth i went outside and inside the > building...i met some new and > familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from > crave...charlie...tracer...dj > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i > cant remember their names. > i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be > there, but i never saw > her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont > be back for so long. > ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops > rolling down and caused > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a > while...then it was loud > again. then...one of my favs in > psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL > LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most > psy-chadelik tracks out > there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he > ended his set with some goa > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his > set short....pete nice > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on > earlier...then...a whole other > round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was > waiting for some trance > so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie > finally came on to close > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& > *))) sorry cant say what > it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he > also played one of my > favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i > was feelin it right > there. then, we called it a night...went back to > mike's house and caught > some sleep...yawn. > > i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, > enormous, gargantuant, > way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to > star...for takin the time > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had > fun. well, people, thats > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) > > -paul > dj_choco@hotmail.com > "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your > own imagination to make > your own reality." words by paul > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail > to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67716-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 08:14:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16200 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 08:14:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16190 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 08:14:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.193.103] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 01:13:52 -0700 From: hakthedj To: protokol , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9778652.994060233644.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 08:13:54.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF515D50:01C102CE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] brand new records okay. lesson 1. think! (i know it's is a novel concept) end of lesson.... -hak -- homer : son, do you need any advice from your dad? bart : nope. i've learned to substitute father figures from wherever i need them; construction workers, the internet.......... > From: protokol > Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:50:33 -0700 (PDT) > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] brand new records > > is it necessary to play brand new records everytime you spin? i mean, what > if you got this one or track that's a year old. or what if like half of your > collection is a year old. do you just leave them sitting in the crate? > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67717-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 08:22:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18778 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 08:22:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18762 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 08:22:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:22:01 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010702012201.B9731@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <8e.17b5c033.286f26af@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <8e.17b5c033.286f26af@aol.com>; from JonnyR@aol.com on Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 08:57:19AM -0400 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pleasantly blown off my ass at Imagine [JonnyR@aol.com] > All the DJs were superb. DJ D had a wonderful set to close the party. (Why > did it end at 1:15? And where were some of the DJs? not a problem.... what a > great party!) According to the Sheriffs, it was due to people smoking. There were enough people smoking that the city pulled the plug. -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67718-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 08:25:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20485 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 08:25:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20475 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 08:25:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702082546.56545.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Yarrow bucans To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] hip hop in humboldt hey everyone, This weekend there is a hip hop party in humboldt county. These are the Droids yoou are looking for on July 7TH featuring dj's, Golden Child, winner of the DMC Bad Planet Footers Finger Bangerz and Havok Research This event is 100% fully permitted and secured and will be in the city of Manilla for more info please stay updated to this list. Thank you, a helpful friend __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67719-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 08:41:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25832 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 08:41:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25807 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 08:41:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702084128.10313.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:41:28 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <00e501c102c7$1a227da0$01010101@kandyman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: stilldream Congrats go out to Paul and Pat and everyone involved with this production(Still Dream). You guys really surprised me and Warren and we had a great time playing for you and at our first camping/outdoor event, can't wait until the next one;) Sascha Xtort: http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net Xtort Database: 916.565.6677 Xtort Contact: xtortproductions@yahoo.com --- Bryan Oley wrote: > I will just have to say one thing about this party, > and it just brought a > huge ass grin to my face. > > > At around 6 am or so, the kids on the dance floor > who were left (about 6 or > 7), all of a sudden just got up and started picking > up trash from > everywhere. In effect, the entire area where the > party was being held was > cleaned up of most of its trash within a half hour.. > One girl even went > around picking up all the cigarette butts! No one > had asked them to do > this, they simply did. For the next hour or so > after that, alovely girl > with the name of Terra (how appropriate), walked > around with her feather boa > and pacifier and proceeded to range farther and > farther out gathering > whatever trash people left around as they got up in > the morning. > > > Needless to say I havent seen a group of people do > something like this since > the Camp Harmony of 1999. > > Respect to those who were there... > > > And did anyone else happen to catch Mars in the sky > last night? Was quite > beautiful! > > -Bryan > Da Kandyman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rebecca Davis" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 9:59 PM > Subject: stilldream > > > : I showed up somewhere around 4:00 pm to a place > about 20 minutes > : out of Oroville. My first impression was brought > on by the > : sight of a biker wedding at the cafe close to the > camp (hmm, > : this might be interesting). They had the place > set up > : beautifully, the stage was surrounded by hills to > give the area > : an almost ampetheatre effect. There were three > sets of hay > : bales with paintings on them and a big stage in > front. > : > : People were slim in the afternoon hours, but as > the sun set and > : it began to cool down, ravers came filing out of > the camping > : area and down to the dance area. The lighting on > the hills and > : the blacklights looked awesome and as the night > wore on the vibe > : became absolutely phenominal. Some people had > driven 6 hours to > : be at the party and everyone was having a great > time. > : > : It sucked that it seems a lot of kids have gotten > too lazy to > : drive 90 minutes to see awesome talent. The bikers > were all > : really nice and regardless of the annoying medic > Roco (who was > : Jerry Garcia's personal medic, have you), the huge > beetle(s), > : and the unfortunate theft (which again made me > realize how > : parties really are not safe), I had an awesome > time. The amount > : of love and dedication that went into this event > was obvious to > : the ones that enjoyed it. > : > : Thanks again Stilldream > : ~becky > : > : __________________________________________________ > : Do You Yahoo!? > : Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > : http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67720-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 14:21:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56063 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 14:21:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56045 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 14:21:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 07:23:21 -0700 From: dr_XeNo To: The Davis Family , SacRaves , SFRaves Cc: bookings@black-locust.com Reply-to: drXeNo@drxeno.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YLtR9ROAXqNWYM1WfXOnGQ)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA f. Slim & Tofu 07.02.01 --Boundary_(ID_YLtR9ROAXqNWYM1WfXOnGQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey Kidz... Hello there, fabulous ppl! Great news -- T-IE is now back every Monday nite. We'll continue to bring the best choons, but now we'll be doing every week, like before. As Jackie and Kassia have now moved onto to greater things in the UK, we'll now be following Kelleygroove and DJ Erupt's fantasmic electronic show. We're still giving you 4 straight hours of dancin'! Tonite we be slammin it with the men behind the first dnb label in Sac, Underground Movement Sounds and clansman of the elite Black Locust crew. Slim and Tofu will be slingin the latest in local dubs, pasting the drum and the bass with ease. 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Msgr: dr_XeNo6 --Boundary_(ID_YLtR9ROAXqNWYM1WfXOnGQ)-- From sfraves-return-67721-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 15:14:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3070 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 15:14:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2868 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 15:14:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SRR: Warped Tour & Promoting there?! Hey guys what's up? So my bf and I took the long haul on the BART and walking to the Warped Tour this past weekend, which was OK. Lame that each band only got to play a HALF HOUR and you had to walk back and forth between stages but I guess that's the only way you can get through so many acts in 6-7 hours, right? Kool Keith was BUMPIN - and that was the only time you could get up close to a band without getting stomped on which was a nice break. And I adore 311 not in a teeny-bopper-they're-so-cute-way, but in a they're-so-fuckin-badass-even-before-they-went-commercial way. They only played a half hour, during which I got shoved from being right in the front, to about 200 yards back.. fuckers.. Bouncing Souls and Pennywise were fucking cool too. But why am I writing to SFR about the WARPED TOUR?! Because, in a midst of underage teeny-boppers and punks with bad dye-jobs outside, AND inside, the Piers were absolutely RIDDLED with Cyberfest, Area51 and Serenity flyers. WTF?! Might I ask? Why are people promoting parties at an extremely commercialized PUNK event(Target was sponsoring this year too, whee!)? The logic is completely beyond me.. Not that I have no love for the punk scene, but do you see people passing around flyers for the Cliftons' or Rancid's next gig at parties? Rarely, but most likely NOT. ANd besides I'm not too too concerned about mohawked kids showing up at raves, I'll take them over the wanna-be-badass-shady-motherfuckers out there any day. However, I saw my fair share of police officers @ the Warped Tour and one of them happened to be holding a few Serenity flyers... "INnnnnnnteresting..." is the look he had on his face. I understand it takes huge draw to throw a huge party.. But to be careless with promoting is BULLSHIT. Either these promoters don't care WHO shows up at their parties, or they don't care WHO they have flyering for them. Flyers are a HUGE WASTE if all they do is get mashed up in the moshpit and become flying particles in the air along with all the smoke. And quite honestly, I didn't see a single person handing them out, I just saw them all over the ground, in PILES. As if someone just threw them on the floor to be rid of them. Yeah I know that happens at massives ALL THE TIME but come on, the fucking WARPED TOUR? That's just as bad as leaving a stack at the local "cool" mall hangout. Get a grip. Lara (not in a good mood because i'm home sick, i'll stop bitching now, it just really aggravated me) ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67722-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 15:53:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48164 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 15:53:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48152 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 15:53:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "Jamie Murray" , "sf raves" Cc: "Pual CHOCO" References: <20010702080812.63573.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:53:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 15:53:10.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[18471930:01C1030F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID I had to leave before that point, but i beleive the last song Tronic spun was "Rags to Riches" by Fergie... if it sounded like an old 50's song, that's what it was... it's an awe4some f*cking song, i wish i could have stayed to hear his set, i have only heard Tronic spin once and that was @ Lift back in April... what an awesome party... If you wanted to see the pictures, check 'em out, we have lot's of pictures up on our website www.BayAreaRavers.com Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Murray" To: "sf raves" Cc: "Pual CHOCO" Sent: July 02, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a > wonderful time kickin it with you, making kandy and > looking at pictures oh and of course cant forget about > all those parties. I any of you out there don't have > a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off > Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. > Thank you. > Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his > set and that was some pretty nice jungle. Valerie > Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good to put a > face with the name by the way, hope to see you at > future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as > cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I > lacked I still managed to groove my A** off as much as > I could. did a lot of standing around but not by > choice, My legs where just so sore after Ascencions > and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I > have gone to since I have been back in the scene. > Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric > the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as meet a > few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody and > friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). > Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in > some drama and a mew friend Mike and his little/big > foe paw...anyways!!!!... > Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you > where caught selling drugs they would kick you out. > They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And they > sucessed!!! But on the same token they where also very > fair about the situations. It was also that type of > attitude that makes me want to come back to their > parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! > BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that > Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this > one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside > during this song. Thank you in advance. > Jamie > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > > hi people... > > > > well, this is my first time of being able to go to a > > party > > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 > > saturday. wow...what a weekend. > > i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it > > off. > > > > the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then > > met up with a real kool > > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around > > 930ish...the venue was > > great...this is prolly one of those parties that > > require safety precautions > > to go to b/c u had to cross an active > > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. > > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i > > dont think i can specify > > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, > > they had an outdoor porch > > thing where people chilled and caught some fresh > > air....or take a smoke... > > imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the > > other half of the plan > > in the upcoming event focus. > > > > i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% > > no drug > > policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the > > venue were kicked out. i > > walked in in the middle of kenneth's > > set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb > > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since > > popsikle...and dated way > > back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as > > off as usual. then, i > > dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some > > phat hard nrg/tekno > > beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at > > the end of his > > set...whoever u are...much props to u. > > then....anthonymad and ms. valerie > > sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a > > dope set. i dont kno which > > one of them played the "magic carpet > > ride....song...(dont kno the title) but > > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin > > that one i can tell u. > > > > back and forth i went outside and inside the > > building...i met some new and > > familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from > > crave...charlie...tracer...dj > > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i > > cant remember their names. > > i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be > > there, but i never saw > > her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont > > be back for so long. > > ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops > > rolling down and caused > > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a > > while...then it was loud > > again. then...one of my favs in > > psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL > > LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most > > psy-chadelik tracks out > > there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he > > ended his set with some goa > > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his > > set short....pete nice > > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on > > earlier...then...a whole other > > round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was > > waiting for some trance > > so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie > > finally came on to close > > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& > > *))) sorry cant say what > > it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he > > also played one of my > > favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i > > was feelin it right > > there. then, we called it a night...went back to > > mike's house and caught > > some sleep...yawn. > > > > i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, > > enormous, gargantuant, > > way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to > > star...for takin the time > > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had > > fun. well, people, thats > > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) > > > > -paul > > dj_choco@hotmail.com > > "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your > > own imagination to make > > your own reality." words by paul > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail > > to majordomo@squinky.org > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67723-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 16:15:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64153 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 16:15:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64143 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 16:15:19 -0000 Message-ID: <15991213.994090486228.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: protokol To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 66.81.33.66 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways.... "and w/ eminem and d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while back ago.. um.. metropolis? they also had hip hop acts.." they're non-commercial hip-hop groups. they're different from Eminem's style, let's just call it "radio hip-hop." i'm not sure what radio hip-hop is all about, but it's not about music i can tell tou that. On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:11:25 -0700, Cindy L. wrote: > > ok.. it seems as if ur saying that raves are limited to only "ravers".. or > what u believe to be "ravers".. but i think the scene should be open to all > types of people.. even.. as u call them.. "thug and b-boy types".. they are > people too who enjoy parties and dancing and djs like everyone else that > attend these raves.. and they have every right to be there.. what happened > to.. "peace, love, unity, and.. dont forget this one.. respect".. i think > raves and promoters shouldn't exclude anyone from their parties.. but should > respect everyone and their choices.. just because u think someone "looks" > thuggish or appears that way.. that they are going to cause trouble or start > fights.. if u combine thousands of different people into one atmosphere.. > anything could happen.. fights.. drug busts.. riots.. whatever.. please do > not focus just on what u think thugs are.. if anything.. i would love to see > eminem and d12 perform.. i think its great that coolworld is trying to bring > everyone.. no matter how different they are.. together.. and w/ eminem and > d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while back ago.. um.. metropolis? > they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of people watching them.. and a > lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. u don't see a lot of hip > hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in the past so why would he > be any different then black eyed peas.. or krs.. or de la soul.. or any > other others.. i read posts on and off about negative media publicity about > our scene.. but if anything u have to invite the people in so that they > could experience it themselves and see how wonderful our culture really is.. > i am not trying to diss u and im not saying that everything i write is > correct.. and yes i know that a lot of u will disagree w/ me.. but one > reason i came into this scene is for the acceptance everyone has for one > another.. no matter how they dress.. what type of music they prefer.. how > they dance.. what they look like.. so on.. if this is what some of u claim.. > i do not see it happening by putting down certain groups of people and > making them feel unwelcome.. we are a part of a culture w/ a loving > atmosphere w/ loving people and w/ acceptance.. but.. all in all.. if u do > not like a production company or a party just don't go.. u could complain > all u want but please do not put anyone down.. thanks > whew.. sorry so long guys.. but i wanted to somehow get my point across.. > > From: "trance fiend" > >cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the bill. this event is going > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and b-boy types that are into > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are going to be a lot of > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a complete and total nightmare. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67724-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 16:35:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83609 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 16:35:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83599 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 16:35:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: starkand_e@yahoo.com, junglehead_c@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 09:34:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 16:34:55.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED33D1B0:01C10314] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long ok, i have to reply.....i wasnt dissing the b-boys or thugs, just the mentality that happens to come along with some em....for that matter, just the menatlity in general....that was my point in the post.....i've got friends from every walk of life and mentality...it's just that my biggest concern is that with an artist like eminem there's a great deal of negativity associated with him.....this is heard in his lyrics....some people take these lyrics so seriously and actually act and react to them in that negative way represented.....do i have a problem with thugs or b-boys?....no....it's just the mentality that comes along with some, not all, of them.....sorry i wasn't clear on that at first =) little matt >From: Jamie Murray >To: "Cindy L." , norcalraver@hotmail.com >CC: sf raves >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:10:39 -0700 (PDT) > >I have to agree with Cindy hear. I went to my first >hip hop(Jurassic 5) show not that long ago, and I was >under the assumption that it was going to be real >shady but it turned out to be the exact opposite of >what I had expected and I had a great time. There >wear every type of person at this show, from rasta, to >college preps, to b-boys, to kandy kids at this show. >I am just glad that I was open minded enough to enter >in to THEIR world. >jamie >--- "Cindy L." wrote: > > > > ok.. it seems as if ur saying that raves are limited > > to only "ravers".. or > > what u believe to be "ravers".. but i think the > > scene should be open to all > > types of people.. even.. as u call them.. "thug and > > b-boy types".. they are > > people too who enjoy parties and dancing and djs > > like everyone else that > > attend these raves.. and they have every right to be > > there.. what happened > > to.. "peace, love, unity, and.. dont forget this > > one.. respect".. i think > > raves and promoters shouldn't exclude anyone from > > their parties.. but should > > respect everyone and their choices.. just because u > > think someone "looks" > > thuggish or appears that way.. that they are going > > to cause trouble or start > > fights.. if u combine thousands of different people > > into one atmosphere.. > > anything could happen.. fights.. drug busts.. > > riots.. whatever.. please do > > not focus just on what u think thugs are.. if > > anything.. i would love to see > > eminem and d12 perform.. i think its great that > > coolworld is trying to bring > > everyone.. no matter how different they are.. > > together.. and w/ eminem and > > d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while > > back ago.. um.. metropolis? > > they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of > > people watching them.. and a > > lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. u > > don't see a lot of hip > > hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in > > the past so why would he > > be any different then black eyed peas.. or krs.. or > > de la soul.. or any > > other others.. i read posts on and off about > > negative media publicity about > > our scene.. but if anything u have to invite the > > people in so that they > > could experience it themselves and see how wonderful > > our culture really is.. > > i am not trying to diss u and im not saying that > > everything i write is > > correct.. and yes i know that a lot of u will > > disagree w/ me.. but one > > reason i came into this scene is for the acceptance > > everyone has for one > > another.. no matter how they dress.. what type of > > music they prefer.. how > > they dance.. what they look like.. so on.. if this > > is what some of u claim.. > > i do not see it happening by putting down certain > > groups of people and > > making them feel unwelcome.. we are a part of a > > culture w/ a loving > > atmosphere w/ loving people and w/ acceptance.. > > but.. all in all.. if u do > > not like a production company or a party just don't > > go.. u could complain > > all u want but please do not put anyone down.. > > thanks > > whew.. sorry so long guys.. but i wanted to somehow > > get my point across.. > > > > From: "trance fiend" > > >cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the bill. > > this event is going > > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and > > b-boy types that are into > > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are > > going to be a lot of > > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a > > complete and total nightmare. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67725-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 16:53:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95392 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 16:53:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95365 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 16:53:01 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 09:54:19 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3076912459_149721" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SKILLS @ FUTURE! 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Der, no comment. I propose an alternate promoter/raver agreement: Instead of paying full price for tickets, your guests can, uh, "neglect" to fork over the total ticket cost ... does it really matter where that extra ten bucks went? What consumers keep their promise to pay in full for a ticket? What is a consumer promise? Can't I give you the rest of the money at the *make up* party? I only have a 20-dollar bill... sorry it's all crinkled up. >have u ever thrown a party??? yes. -mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67727-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 16:59:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4904 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 16:59:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4894 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 16:59:00 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010702095538.00b89410@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 09:59:22 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <15991213.994090486228.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways.... they don't play most of eminem's songs on the radio. eminem is real, both on stage and off. Some people can't handle that. eminem didn't always make money - he started out just like the rest of hip hop, before he got signed. "There are a lot of dope rappers out there that don't got record deals" That doesn't mean the artists with record deals suck. Not to mention, if you're a hip hop group, and you appear on a major ticket, like metropolis or up in smoke, or foolworld, you're commercial, even if you're not signed. sarilion At 09:14 AM 7/2/2001 -0700, protokol wrote: > "and w/ eminem and d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while back >ago.. um.. metropolis? they also had hip hop acts.." > >they're non-commercial hip-hop groups. they're different from Eminem's >style, let's just call it "radio hip-hop." i'm not sure what radio hip-hop >is all about, but it's not about music i can tell tou that. >On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:11:25 -0700, Cindy L. wrote: > > > > > ok.. it seems as if ur saying that raves are limited to only "ravers".. >or > > what u believe to be "ravers".. but i think the scene should be open to >all > > types of people.. even.. as u call them.. "thug and b-boy types".. they >are > > people too who enjoy parties and dancing and djs like everyone else that > > attend these raves.. and they have every right to be there.. what >happened > > to.. "peace, love, unity, and.. dont forget this one.. respect".. i think > > > raves and promoters shouldn't exclude anyone from their parties.. but >should > > respect everyone and their choices.. just because u think someone "looks" > > > thuggish or appears that way.. that they are going to cause trouble or >start > > fights.. if u combine thousands of different people into one atmosphere.. > > > anything could happen.. fights.. drug busts.. riots.. whatever.. please >do > > not focus just on what u think thugs are.. if anything.. i would love to >see > > eminem and d12 perform.. i think its great that coolworld is trying to >bring > > everyone.. no matter how different they are.. together.. and w/ eminem >and > > d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while back ago.. um.. >metropolis? > > they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of people watching them.. >and a > > lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. u don't see a lot of >hip > > hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in the past so why would >he > > be any different then black eyed peas.. or krs.. or de la soul.. or any > > other others.. i read posts on and off about negative media publicity >about > > our scene.. but if anything u have to invite the people in so that they > > could experience it themselves and see how wonderful our culture really >is.. > > i am not trying to diss u and im not saying that everything i write is > > correct.. and yes i know that a lot of u will disagree w/ me.. but one > > reason i came into this scene is for the acceptance everyone has for one > > another.. no matter how they dress.. what type of music they prefer.. how > > > they dance.. what they look like.. so on.. if this is what some of u >claim.. > > i do not see it happening by putting down certain groups of people and > > making them feel unwelcome.. we are a part of a culture w/ a loving > > atmosphere w/ loving people and w/ acceptance.. but.. all in all.. if u >do > > not like a production company or a party just don't go.. u could complain > > > all u want but please do not put anyone down.. thanks > > whew.. sorry so long guys.. but i wanted to somehow get my point across.. > > > > From: "trance fiend" > > >cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the bill. this event is going > > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and b-boy types that are >into > > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are going to be a lot of > > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a complete and total >nightmare. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Send a cool gift with your E-Card >http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67728-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:00:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6355 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:00:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6345 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:00:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: elias smith cc: The Raves of our Lives In-Reply-To: <20010702033838.9790.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Particular DJ at Urban Wasteland??? That was Sameer Parekh. catch him while he's still in town ... he may be on this list. -mike. On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, elias smith wrote: >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:38:38 -0700 (PDT) >From: elias smith >To: The Raves of our Lives >Subject: [sfraves] Particular DJ at Urban Wasteland??? > >Does anyone know who the DJ after Sir Nod was? >I believe he was third in the line-up and had some >sort of headlight attached to his head. >And he was playing tekno. >-g > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67729-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:07:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15800 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:07:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15788 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <007801c10319$fb1e0980$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:10:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C102DF.4ABDCD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Lost Keys At StillDream ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C102DF.4ABDCD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, Found a set of keys at the StillDream Camput. Email me back with the description and Ill get them back to you. Thanks Bryan ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C102DF.4ABDCD80-- From sfraves-return-67730-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:10:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17732 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:10:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17722 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:10:26 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <994093766.3b40aac645e52@imp.free.fr> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:09:26 +0200 (MEST) From: thieg Cc: thieb@yy.com References: <337055FBC675D311A85D00508B5A9C4FE753A9@u-mail.rd.francetelecom.com> In-Reply-To: <337055FBC675D311A85D00508B5A9C4FE753A9@u-mail.rd.francetelecom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 208.25.178.222 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland - Off the hook!! Yeah! We had a fabulous time, people were very friendly, the spot was excellent and so unusual... Definitively one of the best party we have ever done here in the bayarea! Big thanks to G. and his crew. ~thieg > -----Original Message----- > From: kimba [mailto:twinphishy@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:26 PM > To: beatsincrease; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland - Off the hook!! > > > > YES indeedy!! =) UW pulled another one off -- done proper. > > hey and nice to finally put a face to that infamous name --- Osby! > > til nex' time >:} kimba > > > > > > beatsincrease wrote: > Went to the Urban Wasteland party with my girlfriend Envirogirl > last night- it was held somewhere in the docks of Oakland. We had a > bit of fun finding the place, as the people we were sort of following > took some wrong turns. Once we were there though, what a spot! The > dance area was this big concrete field, in between huge stacks of > frieght containers, with this bitchin' view of these gigantic cranes > and all of this industrial equipment. It looked straight out of Blade > Runner :) The music sort of fit the surroundings- hard techno, verging > on hardcore occasionally. That stuff is not my usual cup of tea, but > it fit the vibe so perfectly I didn't mind. > We saw all of the usual suspects... Osby was there, flaunting a New > York accent for the night. It also was great to see Mutex and John V. > We met a bunch of other cool SFR types as well. I was surprised to > find all of these people I knew out at this desolate, uh, wasteland! > Oh, back to getting lost on the way there, the infoline directions were > pretty vague, which turned out to be a good thing, as it seemed to > throw the cops off. A couple of squad cars made the rounds, and you > could see them driving along. They never seemed to find the place, > which was pretty amazing. > > Anyway, big ups to the Urban Wasteland crew. That was a night to be > remembered. > > George C. > > Music to metastatize to - www.dj2music.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67731-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:15:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22143 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:15:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22133 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:15:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702171506.23658.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ M To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] richie By the time I heard about UW I already had a presale to Richie Hawtin at the Om party. It was a tough choice but I stuck to the plan and went to see baldy. (BTW I heard that a certain big NY DJ was at the UW party, can anyone confirm that?) Fred Everything dropped some excellent house and I was loving it but like too tired to even dance. Then Richie stepped up .. he didn't seem to get very minimal or adventurous but delivered a rock solid set and kept the energy maxed out so I had no choice but to bounce. Hey if anyone else was there did you notice whether he was using Final Scratch? I'm assuming his laptop wasn't just for recording cuz he had a DAT behind the decks. He was definitely spinning some regular vinyl but maybe he uses both? peace Dave ----- Original Message ----- > UW like always didn't let us down in anyway. Came out to a sea of cargo > containers with people dressed as dock workers telling you were to go park. > Seems like a lot of people had problems finding the place including the > police who kept driving by, but couldn't figure out where it was. Quite the > turnout that I haven't seen since the old port of oakland Cranium party. I > think that was the last big UW party that occured before the tragic shutdown > from the flyer faux pas. I brought a friend who is nothing close to being a > raver, but who I thought would get a kick out of seeing what we all do. I > had him bring along his bad ass digital camera (Olympus E10 for those who > know what that is) and take pictures. I'll have to get them up online. I was > out shooting with film and if you saw someone running around with an orange > kosmo delivery bad and a tripod that was your's truly. Went and explored a > bit with Lydia and it's all about that other loading dock with the cargo > containers. Running around under them was quite fun and felt like I was in > some 70's police drama. I won't forget that part of the night ever. Headed > back to where all of our friends were back at the party and chilled for a > bit. I had just hosted a pool/spa/bbq function at my house all day with the > sfr-planners, acme, and friends prior to UW. We all caravaned out there and > it was good to have such a large number of sfraves kids out there, and all > behaving and obeying the rules of a ug. I ran into Gabriel (knowmadae) and > of course Don and John. Osby was still wound up from the party before and > ran around the party. Didn't see much of him once we got there, but everyone > else seems to have! Usual Osby MO. The official name dropping: Dave, Audra, > Mariana, Lorin, Lydia, Nicola, Aaron W, Natalie, Osby, Migurski, Drew, > Veronica, Jenna and whoever else was in that caravan a big thanks for such a > great day and night! Time for the next bbq =) > > ryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kimba" > To: "beatsincrease" ; > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland - Off the hook!! > > > > > > YES indeedy!! =) UW pulled another one off -- done proper. > > > > hey and nice to finally put a face to that infamous name --- Osby! > > > > til nex' time >:} kimba > > > > > > ===== DJ M + FreeBeats Collective + http://freebeats.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67732-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:34:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40182 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:34:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40170 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:34:47 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c1031d$b3dee9f0$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" References: <20010702080812.63573.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:37:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm gona let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I add didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE KEN GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You helped put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of people wrong this weekend. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: "Jamie Murray" ; "sf raves" Cc: "Pual CHOCO" Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > I had to leave before that point, but i beleive the last song Tronic spun > was "Rags to Riches" by Fergie... if it sounded like an old 50's song, > that's what it was... it's an awe4some f*cking song, i wish i could have > stayed to hear his set, i have only heard Tronic spin once and that was @ > Lift back in April... what an awesome party... > > If you wanted to see the pictures, check 'em out, we have lot's of pictures > up on our website www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie Murray" > To: "sf raves" > Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > Sent: July 02, 2001 1:08 AM > Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > > Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a > > wonderful time kickin it with you, making kandy and > > looking at pictures oh and of course cant forget about > > all those parties. I any of you out there don't have > > a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off > > Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. > > Thank you. > > Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his > > set and that was some pretty nice jungle. Valerie > > Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good to put a > > face with the name by the way, hope to see you at > > future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as > > cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I > > lacked I still managed to groove my A** off as much as > > I could. did a lot of standing around but not by > > choice, My legs where just so sore after Ascencions > > and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I > > have gone to since I have been back in the scene. > > Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric > > the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as meet a > > few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody and > > friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). > > Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in > > some drama and a mew friend Mike and his little/big > > foe paw...anyways!!!!... > > Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you > > where caught selling drugs they would kick you out. > > They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And they > > sucessed!!! But on the same token they where also very > > fair about the situations. It was also that type of > > attitude that makes me want to come back to their > > parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! > > BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that > > Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this > > one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside > > during this song. Thank you in advance. > > Jamie > > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > > > hi people... > > > > > > well, this is my first time of being able to go to a > > > party > > > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 > > > saturday. wow...what a weekend. > > > i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it > > > off. > > > > > > the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then > > > met up with a real kool > > > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around > > > 930ish...the venue was > > > great...this is prolly one of those parties that > > > require safety precautions > > > to go to b/c u had to cross an active > > > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. > > > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i > > > dont think i can specify > > > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, > > > they had an outdoor porch > > > thing where people chilled and caught some fresh > > > air....or take a smoke... > > > imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the > > > other half of the plan > > > in the upcoming event focus. > > > > > > i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% > > > no drug > > > policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the > > > venue were kicked out. i > > > walked in in the middle of kenneth's > > > set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb > > > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since > > > popsikle...and dated way > > > back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as > > > off as usual. then, i > > > dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some > > > phat hard nrg/tekno > > > beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at > > > the end of his > > > set...whoever u are...much props to u. > > > then....anthonymad and ms. valerie > > > sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a > > > dope set. i dont kno which > > > one of them played the "magic carpet > > > ride....song...(dont kno the title) but > > > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin > > > that one i can tell u. > > > > > > back and forth i went outside and inside the > > > building...i met some new and > > > familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from > > > crave...charlie...tracer...dj > > > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i > > > cant remember their names. > > > i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be > > > there, but i never saw > > > her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont > > > be back for so long. > > > ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops > > > rolling down and caused > > > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a > > > while...then it was loud > > > again. then...one of my favs in > > > psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL > > > LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most > > > psy-chadelik tracks out > > > there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he > > > ended his set with some goa > > > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his > > > set short....pete nice > > > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on > > > earlier...then...a whole other > > > round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was > > > waiting for some trance > > > so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie > > > finally came on to close > > > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& > > > *))) sorry cant say what > > > it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he > > > also played one of my > > > favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i > > > was feelin it right > > > there. then, we called it a night...went back to > > > mike's house and caught > > > some sleep...yawn. > > > > > > i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, > > > enormous, gargantuant, > > > way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to > > > star...for takin the time > > > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had > > > fun. well, people, thats > > > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) > > > > > > -paul > > > dj_choco@hotmail.com > > > "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your > > > own imagination to make > > > your own reality." words by paul > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --- > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail > > > to majordomo@squinky.org > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67733-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:36:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41739 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:36:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41728 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:36:16 -0000 Message-Id: <200107021735.f62HZiu48136@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@mail.napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:37:03 -0500 To: , sfraves@Hyperreal.org From: Levi In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Untiltled Ok, I thought it was kinda scary at first...cause i swear that it was meant for this gurl i know...a girl that i went out with who basically sucked everything out of me and shit on it...but the crazy thing was that i practically let her...well i think the thought was that i was gonna help her, cause i know that it's impossible for her to actually steal anything away from ME ... but she really fucked me out and over the place!! menally...not physically...but i read it and it fits her description...if only she could stand to accept it. SIGH... Neways....nice poem! and don't worry about little ol me! i'm regaining myself slowly but shurely!! and hopefully i'll be able to see some of you at some raves sometime soon! ok, *PLUR* Levi At 10:46 PM 7/1/01 -0700, you wrote: >Weird thing, I just found this poem, i dont even remember writing it, tell >me what you think >Magick > > > give her the light summernight's >Soft beauty-over her I pour >The splendor of the vanishing Sun- >Over her hair-over her >Face over her white dress- >Of the booming sea- >With the sinuous >Snake like curves of the shoreline > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67734-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:42:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47475 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:42:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47465 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:42:37 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010702103447.00b8c0a0@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:42:59 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <20010702171506.23658.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] richie I Heard about the UW party around the same time that I heard about Richie. I'm sorry I missed what sounds like a really cool UW party, but I certainly don't regret my choice! Richie rocked the house. It was hot and crowded at Decibel for Fred Everything, but it didn't start dripping until Richie took over! I wanted to train spot, but it was too.. crowded and humid for me to bear, so I lurked around the edges and people watched. Like this strange (acting) guy who got a bunch of fresh water bottles, took the caps off, and placed them around the dance floor. Distributing water: good idea. Placing open water bottles on crowded dance floor: waste of water. I saw two get kicked, which were quickly cleaned up by the bouncer and mait. staff. One was still in the same place when I left. I was a little disappointed at the lack of minimal stuff, but after listening to non-stop house, High energy Detroit style was pretty fucking cool. Jon Williams got on after Richie, and played some.. epic techno? It sounded good, but I was too tired to listen to all of it, and left around 4:45. I then drove back to the East Bay, and say on top of Dinosaur Hill (Pleasant Hill) and watched the sun start to rise.. sarilion At 10:15 AM 7/2/2001 -0700, DJ M wrote: >By the time I heard about UW I already had a presale >to Richie Hawtin at the Om party. It was a tough >choice but I stuck to the plan and went to see baldy. >(BTW I heard that a certain big NY DJ was at the UW >party, can anyone confirm that?) Fred Everything >dropped some excellent house and I was loving it but >like too tired to even dance. Then Richie stepped up >.. he didn't seem to get very minimal or adventurous >but delivered a rock solid set and kept the energy >maxed out so I had no choice but to bounce. Hey if >anyone else was there did you notice whether he was >using Final Scratch? I'm assuming his laptop wasn't >just for recording cuz he had a DAT behind the decks. >He was definitely spinning some regular vinyl but >maybe he uses both? >peace >Dave > >----- Original Message ----- > > > UW like always didn't let us down in anyway. Came >out to a sea of >cargo > > containers with people dressed as dock workers >telling you were to go >park. > > Seems like a lot of people had problems finding the >place including >the > > police who kept driving by, but couldn't figure out >where it was. >Quite >the > > turnout that I haven't seen since the old port of >oakland Cranium >party. I > > think that was the last big UW party that occured >before the tragic >shutdown > > from the flyer faux pas. I brought a friend who is >nothing close to >being >a > > raver, but who I thought would get a kick out of >seeing what we all >do. I > > had him bring along his bad ass digital camera >(Olympus E10 for those >who > > know what that is) and take pictures. I'll have to >get them up >online. I >was > > out shooting with film and if you saw someone >running around with an >orange > > kosmo delivery bad and a tripod that was your's >truly. Went and >explored a > > bit with Lydia and it's all about that other loading >dock with the >cargo > > containers. Running around under them was quite fun >and felt like I >was in > > some 70's police drama. I won't forget that part of >the night ever. >Headed > > back to where all of our friends were back at the >party and chilled >for a > > bit. I had just hosted a pool/spa/bbq function at my >house all day >with >the > > sfr-planners, acme, and friends prior to UW. We all >caravaned out >there >and > > it was good to have such a large number of sfraves >kids out there, >and all > > behaving and obeying the rules of a ug. I ran into >Gabriel >(knowmadae) and > > of course Don and John. Osby was still wound up from >the party before >and > > ran around the party. Didn't see much of him once we >got there, but >everyone > > else seems to have! Usual Osby MO. The official name >dropping: Dave, >Audra, > > Mariana, Lorin, Lydia, Nicola, Aaron W, Natalie, >Osby, Migurski, >Drew, > > Veronica, Jenna and whoever else was in that caravan >a big thanks for >such >a > > great day and night! Time for the next bbq =) > > > > ryan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "kimba" > > To: "beatsincrease" ; > > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland - Off the >hook!! > > > > > > > > > > YES indeedy!! =) UW pulled another one off -- >done proper. > > > > > > hey and nice to finally put a face to that >infamous name --- Osby! > > > > > > til nex' time >:} kimba > > > > > > > > > > >===== >DJ M + FreeBeats Collective + http://freebeats.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67735-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:47:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50460 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:47:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50446 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:47:13 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.20.56.38] From: "Macadio G." To: ecko37@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:46:45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 17:46:46.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[F66D3960:01C1031E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> I just have one question how did he boost capacity when the Orig location was a two room location that held about 800 peeps or so and the location that was used held only about 300 at max? and most if not all the DJ's did get to play if im not mistaken? maybe about 4 or 5 DJ's got cut if that but im not sure cause there was a shit load of DJ's. Now party kids NEVER know the real deal that goes on behind the scenes but I think they worked with the best they had. I mean hell I only got to play a few records and yes it sucked dick for that fact. But that is what being a DJ is about getting "Dicked" sometimes or playing shitty time slots in dodgy areas of town with the chance of your car getting broken into or the party getting shut down etc.. That does not make your opinion any less valid just wondering if you could point out the facts. Mac >From: "Eckö" >To: "sf" >CC: "f8" >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:37:44 -0700 > >Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm gona >let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry >Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up >capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I add >didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE KEN >GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and >shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You >helped >put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my >friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of >people wrong this weekend. > >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cheese" >To: "Jamie Murray" ; "sf raves" > >Cc: "Pual CHOCO" >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > > I had to leave before that point, but i beleive the last song Tronic >spun > > was "Rags to Riches" by Fergie... if it sounded like an old 50's song, > > that's what it was... it's an awe4some f*cking song, i wish i could have > > stayed to hear his set, i have only heard Tronic spin once and that was >@ > > Lift back in April... what an awesome party... > > > > If you wanted to see the pictures, check 'em out, we have lot's of >pictures > > up on our website www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jamie Murray" > > To: "sf raves" > > Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > > Sent: July 02, 2001 1:08 AM > > Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > > > > > Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a > > > wonderful time kickin it with you, making kandy and > > > looking at pictures oh and of course cant forget about > > > all those parties. I any of you out there don't have > > > a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off > > > Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. > > > Thank you. > > > Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his > > > set and that was some pretty nice jungle. Valerie > > > Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good to put a > > > face with the name by the way, hope to see you at > > > future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as > > > cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I > > > lacked I still managed to groove my A** off as much as > > > I could. did a lot of standing around but not by > > > choice, My legs where just so sore after Ascencions > > > and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I > > > have gone to since I have been back in the scene. > > > Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric > > > the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as meet a > > > few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody and > > > friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). > > > Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in > > > some drama and a mew friend Mike and his little/big > > > foe paw...anyways!!!!... > > > Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you > > > where caught selling drugs they would kick you out. > > > They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And they > > > sucessed!!! But on the same token they where also very > > > fair about the situations. It was also that type of > > > attitude that makes me want to come back to their > > > parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! > > > BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that > > > Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this > > > one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside > > > during this song. Thank you in advance. > > > Jamie > > > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > > > > hi people... > > > > > > > > well, this is my first time of being able to go to a > > > > party > > > > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 > > > > saturday. wow...what a weekend. > > > > i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it > > > > off. > > > > > > > > the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then > > > > met up with a real kool > > > > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around > > > > 930ish...the venue was > > > > great...this is prolly one of those parties that > > > > require safety precautions > > > > to go to b/c u had to cross an active > > > > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. > > > > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i > > > > dont think i can specify > > > > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, > > > > they had an outdoor porch > > > > thing where people chilled and caught some fresh > > > > air....or take a smoke... > > > > imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the > > > > other half of the plan > > > > in the upcoming event focus. > > > > > > > > i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% > > > > no drug > > > > policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the > > > > venue were kicked out. i > > > > walked in in the middle of kenneth's > > > > set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb > > > > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since > > > > popsikle...and dated way > > > > back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as > > > > off as usual. then, i > > > > dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some > > > > phat hard nrg/tekno > > > > beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at > > > > the end of his > > > > set...whoever u are...much props to u. > > > > then....anthonymad and ms. valerie > > > > sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a > > > > dope set. i dont kno which > > > > one of them played the "magic carpet > > > > ride....song...(dont kno the title) but > > > > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin > > > > that one i can tell u. > > > > > > > > back and forth i went outside and inside the > > > > building...i met some new and > > > > familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from > > > > crave...charlie...tracer...dj > > > > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i > > > > cant remember their names. > > > > i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be > > > > there, but i never saw > > > > her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont > > > > be back for so long. > > > > ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops > > > > rolling down and caused > > > > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a > > > > while...then it was loud > > > > again. then...one of my favs in > > > > psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL > > > > LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most > > > > psy-chadelik tracks out > > > > there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he > > > > ended his set with some goa > > > > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his > > > > set short....pete nice > > > > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on > > > > earlier...then...a whole other > > > > round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was > > > > waiting for some trance > > > > so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie > > > > finally came on to close > > > > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& > > > > *))) sorry cant say what > > > > it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he > > > > also played one of my > > > > favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i > > > > was feelin it right > > > > there. then, we called it a night...went back to > > > > mike's house and caught > > > > some sleep...yawn. > > > > > > > > i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, > > > > enormous, gargantuant, > > > > way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to > > > > star...for takin the time > > > > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had > > > > fun. well, people, thats > > > > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) > > > > > > > > -paul > > > > dj_choco@hotmail.com > > > > "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your > > > > own imagination to make > > > > your own reality." words by paul > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > --- > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail > > > > to majordomo@squinky.org > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67736-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:47:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52191 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:47:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52181 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:47:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: tina pruett To: E S M O , trance fiend , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <8129139.994095949908.JavaMail.MoonChyId@gomailjtp02> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long -----Original Message----- From: "E S M O" >if u really dislike coolworld then that is your opinion and you are >definately entitled to it... >but i dont see why u need to post to mailing lists because u werent >completely satisfied with a party.. >your reasons for your dislike for coolworld are pretty weak... >maybe u just need 2 further clarify... >we do take imput and suggestions >L8 this is a rave mailing list, where people subscribed discuss the scene in t= heir area, and sometimes other areas... if someone posts about a promoter i= n the area, it is definately list related. perhaps he wanted to vent, shar= e frustrations, perhaps he was looking for someone to agree with him, or ma= ybe even to make people agree with him... as long as it doesn't become a na= me-calling, mudslinging full on extraveganza of drama, why shouldn't he pos= t it to the list? if you don't like what he said you are free to do exactly= what you did and respond... but if you are open to imput and suggestions, = then you should be okay with some public critisim too. a good person is wi= lling to admit their faults and a good promoter should as well. as long as= it doesn't become gossip and bad information, you should welcome the discu= ssion, especially since your name is getting a little free publicity... bad= publicity is better than none at all, and this doesn't cost you a bunch of= money for big glossy fliers... you're getting your name out there without = spending a dime... a good businessman should recognize that... love and hugs and kisses, tina ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail =20 Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67737-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:50:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55363 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:50:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55353 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:50:07 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c1031f$d9927c50$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Macadio G." , Cc: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:53:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> Mac, the other venue held 500 but when he told the pigs about the party they cut it to 250. Ken told me at work that he couldn't have that and needed to make more money so he could get phat cow off the ground. So as far as a bunch of us are concerned he did it at our expenses. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Macadio G." To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > I just have one question how did he boost capacity when the Orig location > was a two room location that held about 800 peeps or so and the location > that was used held only about 300 at max? and most if not all the DJ's did > get to play if im not mistaken? maybe about 4 or 5 DJ's got cut if that but > im not sure cause there was a shit load of DJ's. > > Now party kids NEVER know the real deal that goes on behind the scenes but I > think they worked with the best they had. I mean hell I only got to play a > few records and yes it sucked dick for that fact. But that is what being a > DJ is about getting "Dicked" sometimes or playing shitty time slots in dodgy > areas of town with the chance of your car getting broken into or the party > getting shut down etc.. > > That does not make your opinion any less valid just wondering if you could > point out the facts. > > Mac > > > >From: "Eckö" > >To: "sf" > >CC: "f8" > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:37:44 -0700 > > > >Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm gona > >let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry > >Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > >capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I add > >didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE KEN > >GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and > >shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You > >helped > >put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my > >friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of > >people wrong this weekend. > > > >Nick > >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >http://www.core-nrg.net > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Cheese" > >To: "Jamie Murray" ; "sf raves" > > > >Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > > > > > I had to leave before that point, but i beleive the last song Tronic > >spun > > > was "Rags to Riches" by Fergie... if it sounded like an old 50's song, > > > that's what it was... it's an awe4some f*cking song, i wish i could have > > > stayed to hear his set, i have only heard Tronic spin once and that was > >@ > > > Lift back in April... what an awesome party... > > > > > > If you wanted to see the pictures, check 'em out, we have lot's of > >pictures > > > up on our website www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > **Cheese** > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jamie Murray" > > > To: "sf raves" > > > Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > > > Sent: July 02, 2001 1:08 AM > > > Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > > > > > > > > Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a > > > > wonderful time kickin it with you, making kandy and > > > > looking at pictures oh and of course cant forget about > > > > all those parties. I any of you out there don't have > > > > a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off > > > > Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his > > > > set and that was some pretty nice jungle. Valerie > > > > Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good to put a > > > > face with the name by the way, hope to see you at > > > > future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as > > > > cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I > > > > lacked I still managed to groove my A** off as much as > > > > I could. did a lot of standing around but not by > > > > choice, My legs where just so sore after Ascencions > > > > and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I > > > > have gone to since I have been back in the scene. > > > > Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric > > > > the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as meet a > > > > few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody and > > > > friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). > > > > Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in > > > > some drama and a mew friend Mike and his little/big > > > > foe paw...anyways!!!!... > > > > Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you > > > > where caught selling drugs they would kick you out. > > > > They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And they > > > > sucessed!!! But on the same token they where also very > > > > fair about the situations. It was also that type of > > > > attitude that makes me want to come back to their > > > > parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! > > > > BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that > > > > Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this > > > > one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside > > > > during this song. Thank you in advance. > > > > Jamie > > > > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > > > > > hi people... > > > > > > > > > > well, this is my first time of being able to go to a > > > > > party > > > > > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 > > > > > saturday. wow...what a weekend. > > > > > i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it > > > > > off. > > > > > > > > > > the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then > > > > > met up with a real kool > > > > > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around > > > > > 930ish...the venue was > > > > > great...this is prolly one of those parties that > > > > > require safety precautions > > > > > to go to b/c u had to cross an active > > > > > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. > > > > > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i > > > > > dont think i can specify > > > > > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, > > > > > they had an outdoor porch > > > > > thing where people chilled and caught some fresh > > > > > air....or take a smoke... > > > > > imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the > > > > > other half of the plan > > > > > in the upcoming event focus. > > > > > > > > > > i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% > > > > > no drug > > > > > policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the > > > > > venue were kicked out. i > > > > > walked in in the middle of kenneth's > > > > > set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb > > > > > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since > > > > > popsikle...and dated way > > > > > back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as > > > > > off as usual. then, i > > > > > dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some > > > > > phat hard nrg/tekno > > > > > beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at > > > > > the end of his > > > > > set...whoever u are...much props to u. > > > > > then....anthonymad and ms. valerie > > > > > sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a > > > > > dope set. i dont kno which > > > > > one of them played the "magic carpet > > > > > ride....song...(dont kno the title) but > > > > > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin > > > > > that one i can tell u. > > > > > > > > > > back and forth i went outside and inside the > > > > > building...i met some new and > > > > > familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from > > > > > crave...charlie...tracer...dj > > > > > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i > > > > > cant remember their names. > > > > > i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be > > > > > there, but i never saw > > > > > her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont > > > > > be back for so long. > > > > > ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops > > > > > rolling down and caused > > > > > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a > > > > > while...then it was loud > > > > > again. then...one of my favs in > > > > > psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL > > > > > LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most > > > > > psy-chadelik tracks out > > > > > there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he > > > > > ended his set with some goa > > > > > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his > > > > > set short....pete nice > > > > > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on > > > > > earlier...then...a whole other > > > > > round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was > > > > > waiting for some trance > > > > > so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie > > > > > finally came on to close > > > > > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& > > > > > *))) sorry cant say what > > > > > it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he > > > > > also played one of my > > > > > favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i > > > > > was feelin it right > > > > > there. then, we called it a night...went back to > > > > > mike's house and caught > > > > > some sleep...yawn. > > > > > > > > > > i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, > > > > > enormous, gargantuant, > > > > > way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to > > > > > star...for takin the time > > > > > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had > > > > > fun. well, people, thats > > > > > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) > > > > > > > > > > -paul > > > > > dj_choco@hotmail.com > > > > > "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your > > > > > own imagination to make > > > > > your own reality." words by paul > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail > > > > > to majordomo@squinky.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67738-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:51:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58170 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:51:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58159 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:51:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3B40B51B.7CCBF2BE@urbanassault.org> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:53:31 -0700 From: siphon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sfraves@hyperreal.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received: By mailgate2.Cadence.COM as KAA06507 at Mon Jul 2 10:49:05 2001 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR:::Hawaii in September... Greetings, Could anyone on the list that is located in Oahu, Hawaii contact me through personal email. Thanks, Siphon http://www.urbanassault.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67739-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 17:58:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65862 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 17:58:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65805 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 17:58:54 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Mcgough, Mary (Modis)" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:59:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10320.AEED5230" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Couldn't "Imagine" a Better party this year..... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10320.AEED5230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree. I didn't get there till like 10pm cuz I was waiting on some people, but ended up going it alone. I walked in and...it was just SO INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL. Dug the sets I was able to hear. The vibe was fantastic and when I got a tad tired, I just watched the incredible athletics in those two circles on the floor. And I LOVED the bongos - dunno who brought them, but it was great. Neo, was great to meet you and I loved the Spiderman costume :). Candie and Mandy and Toni, was great to meet you as well. And for anyone that saw the girl with the white color by numbers tank top and brown spiky hair that was looking aimlessly for water (I think I got there too late to get a free bottle), well that was me. Can't wait for next year - if I am not still living here, I'll fly back for it. -em_elle -----Original Message----- From: ooxkandykidxoo@juno.com [mailto:ooxkandykidxoo@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:25 AM To: psychedelic_sound@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Couldn't "Imagine" a Better party this year..... I would have to say that the whole concept of thousands of ravers dancing proud over city hall into the hours of morning truly made the entire event both magical and memorable for a lifetime. I would also have to say that getting this venue was a huge victory for the rave scene, it gave us a chance to prove out desire to be both respected and tolerated throughout the area. A party that totally blew me away, not only did I know, run into, and recognize like literally hundreds of friends, new and old, it gave me a Massive feeling of unity, i even ran into jason (dyloot) and tracer upstairs and after the party and got a chance to chat with them again. SImon rocked too. They all had nice sets too. hence the production crews name...the venue itself truly made it like a raver fairy tail with such beautiful design (I have never been to SF city hall) and would have to say that this party stood out and defnintly made history. good job people for such a great night...and happy birthday denise, i would have to say that if i was her, and i was a hundred feet above thousands of people singing happy birthday in-sync to me, i would have to say that i would fuckin feel like god. I would also have to say that if i spun at that party for some werid odd magical unrealistic reason, i would have to say that it would complete my life...the vibes were crazy and immense....power to the poeple, power to the ravers, power to us.....we conquered SF city hall. whats next? (oO Jowy - the - kandy - kidd oOo) *~*Dance, Listen, Love, Live*~* "Fellow Ravers, The TRUE motive for me raving, stands ONLY; as unquestionable, & quite remarkably inconceivable as well" My Picture online: www.facelink.com/elektrictrance17 SFSU AOL IM oOXxKandyKidxXOo oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com (707) 452 8295 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10320.AEED5230-- From sfraves-return-67740-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 18:09:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73115 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 18:09:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73091 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 18:09:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.20.167.15] From: "DJ Tronic" To: starkand_e@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: dj_choco@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:09:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 18:09:18.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C387D00:01C10322] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID >BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that >Tronic spun? It's called "Rags to Riches" by Poogie Bear.. on Headstrong Music. Not available in stores any longer.. but you may be able to find it. ;) Thanks for the support and glad you enjoyed the set! Andy Tronic http://www.liquidvinyldjs.com >From: Jamie Murray >To: sf raves >CC: Pual CHOCO >Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:08:12 -0700 (PDT) > >Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a >wonderful time kickin it with you, making kandy and >looking at pictures oh and of course cant forget about >all those parties. I any of you out there don't have >a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off >Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. >Thank you. >Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his >set and that was some pretty nice jungle. Valerie >Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good to put a >face with the name by the way, hope to see you at >future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as >cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I >lacked I still managed to groove my A** off as much as >I could. did a lot of standing around but not by >choice, My legs where just so sore after Ascencions >and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I >have gone to since I have been back in the scene. >Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric >the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as meet a >few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody and >friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). >Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in >some drama and a mew friend Mike and his little/big >foe paw...anyways!!!!... >Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you >where caught selling drugs they would kick you out. >They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And they >sucessed!!! But on the same token they where also very >fair about the situations. It was also that type of >attitude that makes me want to come back to their >parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! >BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that >Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this >one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside >during this song. Thank you in advance. >Jamie >--- DJ CHOCO wrote: > > hi people... > > > > well, this is my first time of being able to go to a > > party > > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 > > saturday. wow...what a weekend. > > i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it > > off. > > > > the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then > > met up with a real kool > > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around > > 930ish...the venue was > > great...this is prolly one of those parties that > > require safety precautions > > to go to b/c u had to cross an active > > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. > > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i > > dont think i can specify > > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, > > they had an outdoor porch > > thing where people chilled and caught some fresh > > air....or take a smoke... > > imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the > > other half of the plan > > in the upcoming event focus. > > > > i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% > > no drug > > policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the > > venue were kicked out. i > > walked in in the middle of kenneth's > > set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb > > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since > > popsikle...and dated way > > back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as > > off as usual. then, i > > dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some > > phat hard nrg/tekno > > beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at > > the end of his > > set...whoever u are...much props to u. > > then....anthonymad and ms. valerie > > sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a > > dope set. i dont kno which > > one of them played the "magic carpet > > ride....song...(dont kno the title) but > > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin > > that one i can tell u. > > > > back and forth i went outside and inside the > > building...i met some new and > > familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from > > crave...charlie...tracer...dj > > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i > > cant remember their names. > > i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be > > there, but i never saw > > her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont > > be back for so long. > > ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops > > rolling down and caused > > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a > > while...then it was loud > > again. then...one of my favs in > > psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL > > LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most > > psy-chadelik tracks out > > there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he > > ended his set with some goa > > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his > > set short....pete nice > > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on > > earlier...then...a whole other > > round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was > > waiting for some trance > > so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie > > finally came on to close > > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& > > *))) sorry cant say what > > it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he > > also played one of my > > favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i > > was feelin it right > > there. then, we called it a night...went back to > > mike's house and caught > > some sleep...yawn. > > > > i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, > > enormous, gargantuant, > > way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to > > star...for takin the time > > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had > > fun. well, people, thats > > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) > > > > -paul > > dj_choco@hotmail.com > > "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your > > own imagination to make > > your own reality." words by paul > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail > > to majordomo@squinky.org > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67741-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 18:14:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76656 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 18:14:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76646 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 18:14:36 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.20.167.15] From: "DJ Tronic" To: ecko37@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:14:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 18:14:08.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[C94135F0:01C10322] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I add >didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE >KEN >GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) All the DJs I know there got the full hour.. I don't know what you're talking about on that. >Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and shafted a bunch of us I didn't have any problems at all.. I think you're just pissed off.. it was a good party. Andy Tronic >From: "Eckö" >To: "sf" >CC: "f8" >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:37:44 -0700 > >Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm gona >let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry >Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up >capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I add >didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE KEN >GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and >shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You >helped >put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my >friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of >people wrong this weekend. > >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cheese" >To: "Jamie Murray" ; "sf raves" > >Cc: "Pual CHOCO" >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > > I had to leave before that point, but i beleive the last song Tronic >spun > > was "Rags to Riches" by Fergie... if it sounded like an old 50's song, > > that's what it was... it's an awe4some f*cking song, i wish i could have > > stayed to hear his set, i have only heard Tronic spin once and that was >@ > > Lift back in April... what an awesome party... > > > > If you wanted to see the pictures, check 'em out, we have lot's of >pictures > > up on our website www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jamie Murray" > > To: "sf raves" > > Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > > Sent: July 02, 2001 1:08 AM > > Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > > > > > Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a > > > wonderful time kickin it with you, making kandy and > > > looking at pictures oh and of course cant forget about > > > all those parties. I any of you out there don't have > > > a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off > > > Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. > > > Thank you. > > > Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his > > > set and that was some pretty nice jungle. Valerie > > > Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good to put a > > > face with the name by the way, hope to see you at > > > future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as > > > cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I > > > lacked I still managed to groove my A** off as much as > > > I could. did a lot of standing around but not by > > > choice, My legs where just so sore after Ascencions > > > and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I > > > have gone to since I have been back in the scene. > > > Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric > > > the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as meet a > > > few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody and > > > friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). > > > Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in > > > some drama and a mew friend Mike and his little/big > > > foe paw...anyways!!!!... > > > Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you > > > where caught selling drugs they would kick you out. > > > They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And they > > > sucessed!!! But on the same token they where also very > > > fair about the situations. It was also that type of > > > attitude that makes me want to come back to their > > > parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! > > > BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that > > > Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this > > > one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside > > > during this song. Thank you in advance. > > > Jamie > > > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > > > > hi people... > > > > > > > > well, this is my first time of being able to go to a > > > > party > > > > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 > > > > saturday. wow...what a weekend. > > > > i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it > > > > off. > > > > > > > > the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then > > > > met up with a real kool > > > > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around > > > > 930ish...the venue was > > > > great...this is prolly one of those parties that > > > > require safety precautions > > > > to go to b/c u had to cross an active > > > > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. > > > > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i > > > > dont think i can specify > > > > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, > > > > they had an outdoor porch > > > > thing where people chilled and caught some fresh > > > > air....or take a smoke... > > > > imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the > > > > other half of the plan > > > > in the upcoming event focus. > > > > > > > > i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% > > > > no drug > > > > policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the > > > > venue were kicked out. i > > > > walked in in the middle of kenneth's > > > > set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb > > > > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since > > > > popsikle...and dated way > > > > back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as > > > > off as usual. then, i > > > > dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some > > > > phat hard nrg/tekno > > > > beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at > > > > the end of his > > > > set...whoever u are...much props to u. > > > > then....anthonymad and ms. valerie > > > > sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a > > > > dope set. i dont kno which > > > > one of them played the "magic carpet > > > > ride....song...(dont kno the title) but > > > > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin > > > > that one i can tell u. > > > > > > > > back and forth i went outside and inside the > > > > building...i met some new and > > > > familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from > > > > crave...charlie...tracer...dj > > > > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i > > > > cant remember their names. > > > > i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be > > > > there, but i never saw > > > > her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont > > > > be back for so long. > > > > ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops > > > > rolling down and caused > > > > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a > > > > while...then it was loud > > > > again. then...one of my favs in > > > > psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL > > > > LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most > > > > psy-chadelik tracks out > > > > there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he > > > > ended his set with some goa > > > > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his > > > > set short....pete nice > > > > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on > > > > earlier...then...a whole other > > > > round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was > > > > waiting for some trance > > > > so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie > > > > finally came on to close > > > > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& > > > > *))) sorry cant say what > > > > it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he > > > > also played one of my > > > > favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i > > > > was feelin it right > > > > there. then, we called it a night...went back to > > > > mike's house and caught > > > > some sleep...yawn. > > > > > > > > i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, > > > > enormous, gargantuant, > > > > way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to > > > > star...for takin the time > > > > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had > > > > fun. well, people, thats > > > > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) > > > > > > > > -paul > > > > dj_choco@hotmail.com > > > > "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your > > > > own imagination to make > > > > your own reality." words by paul > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > --- > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail > > > > to majordomo@squinky.org > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67742-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 18:22:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86744 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 18:22:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86733 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 18:22:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.119.111] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:22:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 18:22:07.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7088B00:01C10323] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] brand new records Hell NO! Show your creativity, but if your trying to make a demo or something, promoters wanna hear the new isht, then once you get some play bust out what you feel would rock the crowd because in the end that's all that really matters. >is it necessary to play brand new records everytime you spin? i mean, what >if you got this one or track that's a year old. or what if like half of >your >collection is a year old. do you just leave them sitting in the crate? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67743-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 18:49:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7326 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 18:49:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7294 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 18:49:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702184914.19075.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: ian twenty-three To: speaker jockeys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] What is a Rave? (srr/nrr?!) >From another list I follow: What Is A Rave? post #1: Loud, unemotional, noise/music irritating strobe lights hot sweaty smelly groping bodies far past the hour your body wants to go to bed... post #2: A place where you: a) experience the sum of the energy of all the people present b) experience your own energy in combination with or in contrast to the above c) both d) neither post #3: I like this answer. I like answers to questions that are questions. Multiple choice all the more. post #4: (c) But so is everything else remotely social. I don't think it goes far enough to describe them as a specific class of occurrences So I have these associations with raves: - visually, aurally, tactually stimulating environment - danceable (i.e. having a tempo of calm heart rate x 2 + n) music - emphasis on dancing as the main (or possibly only) activity - mood influenced by hallucinogens/stimulants, noticeably not by depressants. Drugs are not necessarily prevalent, but their use is taken into account, designed for, and definitely not discouraged in most cases. post#5 sounds like a disco to me, man. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67744-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:01:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19079 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:01:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19069 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:01:57 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010702120516.00ddcad0@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: gruvnkim@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:05:16 +0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long At 11:11 PM 7/1/01 -0700, Cindy L. wrote: > >i think its great that coolworld is trying to bring >everyone.. no matter how different they are.. together.. and w/ eminem and >d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while back ago.. um.. metropolis? >they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of people watching them.. and a >lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. u don't see a lot of hip >hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in the past so why would he >be any different then black eyed peas.. *whaaaaat?* have you ever actually *listened* to eminem and the black eyed peas? if so, i don't see how you could possibly consider there to be any comparison. completely different vibe and philosophy. that's like saying that gabber and deep vocal house are similar because they are both electronic music. *shaking head* kim * experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * http://www.nwtekno.org * AIM gruvkim & ICQ 2388692 http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67745-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:05:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21925 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:05:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21907 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:05:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.19] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:05:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 19:05:12.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB6805D0:01C10329] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp-STEREOPHONIK-4th of July! This installment- RESIDENT NIGHT! Patrick Keith Edwards Owen Blair Killasubz in the other room. Please be sure to use up all your explosives before you enter. NEXT WEEK JULY 11! DDR-a live acid P.A.(Smitten, Stay Up Forever, Hazchem, Coshh) Plus your usual set of degenerates- Damon vs. Keith Edwards Blair Amber (who is Not a degenerate) Sterophonik at The Cactus Club 417 S 1st St. San Jose Ca 18 and up with ID booze for the older folk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67746-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:06:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23932 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:06:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23873 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:06:00 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:05:28 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f2.c56e7e7.28721ff8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Wednesday July 4th @ LimeLight 7pm - 2 am --part1_f2.c56e7e7.28721ff8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Held Every Wednesday at the LimeLight Night Club JULY 4 .// KICKOFF > Main Room: Trance / Techno ddr (Live PA) London, UK (C.O.S.H.H. / Hazchem / Stay Up Forever / DAMN Management)One of the original London Acid Techno producer's DDR has been active on the circuit since 1990 when he was running the Full-On sound system, later joining forces with the Bedlam to throw free parties / festivals all over Europe. DDR's first vinyl release was on S.U.F. 02 and he has clocked up approx' 100 vinyl credits since on a variety of labels that include Stay Up Forever, Cluster, Choci's Chewn's. ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. ANDY TREX Germany (Noom / Tortured / Tripoli Trax) Born 10.12.68 in Stuttgart, Germany and has been DJing since 1985, Trex has played clubs all over Europe such as Lakota/ Bristol, Melk Weg / Amsterdam, Amnesia / Ibiza, Cave Club / Austria, Grodonia + Oxa, Mad, Biela Factory / Suisse, Nexus + Oz + Ohm + M1 / Stuttgart, Reaktor / Germany, Jailhouse / Germany. Just to name a few. FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: House / Trance / Breaks DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: House / Tech House / Club Favorites DEMILO SF (Release / Remedy / Eclipse) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) LimeLight Night Club 228 Castro st. (down town) Mountain View doors open @ 7pm - 2 am 3 rooms of pump sounds info: 1-800-561-1800 Web: BRAINCHILD ENTERTAINMENT --part1_f2.c56e7e7.28721ff8_boundary-- From sfraves-return-67747-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:10:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29336 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:10:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29324 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:10:23 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org CC: "sf" , "f8" Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:03:50 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-206-212-147.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.212.147]; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:10:11 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: Re: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> The move to that place was to BOOST capacity? I hate to see the original 2 room venue. Was it 2 small closets? The place was small enough as it is. I wonder why all the dj's would even leave the party without getting paid? Kenneth wasn't hiding at the party, I talked to him. Did no one ask to be paid? I had fun at this party. It was nice to have room to dance on the dance floor, and I had fun playing on those drums in the back of the room. I'm glad that the party went all night, at one point I saw someone getting kicked out for trying to sell drugs, and I saw them outside telling everyone "party's over, the cops will be here soon" glad nothing happened with that. MAD props on giving away free ear plugs. That is so amazingly cool. It seemed like the promoter cared for the safety of his clients, not allowing drugs and protecting their hearing. The map point was kind of far away, but that's my only complaint. Baked, Not Fried, Shaman At Monday, 2 July 2001, "Eckö" wrote: >Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party. . I'm gona >let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry >Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up >capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I add >didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE KEN >GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and >shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You helped >put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my >friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of >people wrong this weekend. > >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cheese" >To: "Jamie Murray" ; "sf raves" > >Cc: "Pual CHOCO" >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > >> I had to leave before that point, but i beleive the last song Tronic spun >> was "Rags to Riches" by Fergie... if it sounded like an old 50's song, >> that's what it was... it's an awe4some f*cking song, i wish i could have >> stayed to hear his set, i have only heard Tronic spin once and that was @ >> Lift back in April... what an awesome party... >> >> If you wanted to see the pictures, check 'em out, we have lot's of >pictures >> up on our website www.BayAreaRavers.com >> >> >> Timothy >> **Cheese** >> itswidow@hotmail.com >> http://www.BayAreaRavers.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jamie Murray" >> To: "sf raves" >> Cc: "Pual CHOCO" >> Sent: July 02, 2001 1:08 AM >> Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID >> >> >> > Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a >> > wonderful time kickin it with you, making kandy and >> > looking at pictures oh and of course cant forget about >> > all those parties. I any of you out there don't have >> > a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off >> > Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. >> > Thank you. >> > Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his >> > set and that was some pretty nice jungle. Valerie >> > Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good to put a >> > face with the name by the way, hope to see you at >> > future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as >> > cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I >> > lacked I still managed to groove my A** off as much as >> > I could. did a lot of standing around but not by >> > choice, My legs where just so sore after Ascencions >> > and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I >> > have gone to since I have been back in the scene. >> > Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric >> > the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as meet a >> > few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody and >> > friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). >> > Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in >> > some drama and a mew friend Mike and his little/big >> > foe paw...anyways!!!!... >> > Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you >> > where caught selling drugs they would kick you out. >> > They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And they >> > sucessed!!! But on the same token they where also very >> > fair about the situations. It was also that type of >> > attitude that makes me want to come back to their >> > parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! >> > BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that >> > Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this >> > one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside >> > during this song. Thank you in advance. >> > Jamie >> > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: >> > > hi people... >> > > >> > > well, this is my first time of being able to go to a >> > > party >> > > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 >> > > saturday. wow...what a weekend. >> > > i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it >> > > off. >> > > >> > > the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then >> > > met up with a real kool >> > > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around >> > > 930ish...the venue was >> > > great...this is prolly one of those parties that >> > > require safety precautions >> > > to go to b/c u had to cross an active >> > > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. >> > > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i >> > > dont think i can specify >> > > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, >> > > they had an outdoor porch >> > > thing where people chilled and caught some fresh >> > > air....or take a smoke... >> > > imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the >> > > other half of the plan >> > > in the upcoming event focus. >> > > >> > > i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% >> > > no drug >> > > policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the >> > > venue were kicked out. i >> > > walked in in the middle of kenneth's >> > > set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb >> > > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since >> > > popsikle...and dated way >> > > back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as >> > > off as usual. then, i >> > > dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some >> > > phat hard nrg/tekno >> > > beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at >> > > the end of his >> > > set...whoever u are...much props to u. >> > > then....anthonymad and ms. valerie >> > > sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a >> > > dope set. i dont kno which >> > > one of them played the "magic carpet >> > > ride....song...(dont kno the title) but >> > > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin >> > > that one i can tell u. >> > > >> > > back and forth i went outside and inside the >> > > building...i met some new and >> > > familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from >> > > crave...charlie...tracer...dj >> > > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i >> > > cant remember their names. >> > > i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be >> > > there, but i never saw >> > > her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont >> > > be back for so long. >> > > ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops >> > > rolling down and caused >> > > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a >> > > while...then it was loud >> > > again. then...one of my favs in >> > > psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL >> > > LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most >> > > psy-chadelik tracks out >> > > there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he >> > > ended his set with some goa >> > > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his >> > > set short....pete nice >> > > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on >> > > earlier...then...a whole other >> > > round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was >> > > waiting for some trance >> > > so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie >> > > finally came on to close >> > > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& >> > > *))) sorry cant say what >> > > it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he >> > > also played one of my >> > > favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i >> > > was feelin it right >> > > there. then, we called it a night...went back to >> > > mike's house and caught >> > > some sleep...yawn. >> > > >> > > i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, >> > > enormous, gargantuant, >> > > way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to >> > > star...for takin the time >> > > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had >> > > fun. well, people, thats >> > > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) >> > > >> > > -paul >> > > dj_choco@hotmail.com >> > > "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your >> > > own imagination to make >> > > your own reality." words by paul >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> > > http://explorer.msn.com >> > > >> > > --- >> > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail >> > > to majordomo@squinky.org >> > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > >--- >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. org >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67748-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:13:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36000 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:13:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35976 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:13:52 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010702121311.00dddc40@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: gruvnkim@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:13:11 +0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20010702095538.00b89410@qix.netcorps.com> References: <15991213.994090486228.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] eminem was:Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways.... At 09:59 AM 7/2/01 -0700, Raver wrote: >they don't play most of eminem's songs on the radio. > >eminem is real, both on stage and off. Some people can't handle that. hmm. i suppose it depends on your definition of 'real'. i definitely think that art which shocks and breaks boundaries is important.. however, i don't see the purpose of shocking people for shock value's sake. he's laughing his way to the bank, but is he being *real* in the sense of expressing what matters to him? kim * experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * http://www.nwtekno.org * AIM gruvkim & ICQ 2388692 http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67749-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:13:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36066 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:13:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36017 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:13:54 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010702121707.00ddb910@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: gruvnkim@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:17:07 +0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." In-Reply-To: <9778652.994060233644.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] brand new records At 12:50 AM 7/2/01 -0700, protokol wrote: >is it necessary to play brand new records everytime you spin? i mean, what >if you got this one or track that's a year old. or what if like half of your >collection is a year old. do you just leave them sitting in the crate? play what moves you. play records that make you want to scream and shout and explode and play them for your mom and your friends and your neighbors because they are that good. play what you love. fuck what genre it is, what label it is, how old it is, whether other people play it, whether it's what you normally play, whether it's an artist you normally like or not, etc. etc. a record shouldn't be a status symbol. if you're really *that* concerned about that you can always be a lamer and put a white label over it. kim * experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * http://www.nwtekno.org * AIM gruvkim & ICQ 2388692 http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67750-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:14:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39727 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:14:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39701 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:14:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.39.2.53] From: "j ->son" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:14:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 19:14:07.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A52EFC0:01C1032B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 2nd sunday details... email my friend directly at jennz70@hotmail.com... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67751-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:14:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40822 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:14:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40742 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:14:46 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010702121810.00ddda10@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: gruvnkim@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:18:10 +0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] people with ftp's? if you have a ftp and dig idm, experimental, detroit techno, deep house, jungle, downtempo, indie rock, or any good shit like that, let me know. looking to cross-pollinate with lovely tracks. :D kim * experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * http://www.nwtekno.org * AIM gruvkim & ICQ 2388692 http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67752-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:49:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65351 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:49:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65327 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:49:10 -0000 Message-ID: <032901c10330$613102c0$81a6463f@m9x0q4> From: "`black-locust'" To: "dnb list" , "junglist" Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:51:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0326_01C102F5.B26E4A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] mobile phone: black-locust logo's ------=_NextPart_000_0326_01C102F5.B26E4A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable heh, saw this by chance in an ad towards the back of the newest = Knowledge Mag. I didn't even know it existed, but i guess if you want a black-locust = logo on your=20 mobile phone you should go to.. http://www.monstermob.com/srch_Engine.php?type=3DL&category=3D8 logo's 180262 and 180263 are both BLACK LOCUST.. they also have ASTRALWERKS, CELESTIAL RECORDINGS, COMPOUND=20 RECORDS, )EIB( and a few other 'dance' music logo's and ringtones = availaible.. check it if it suits ya'.. it's still pretty funny to me.. =3D ) \\ mattie contact@black-locust.com=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0326_01C102F5.B26E4A20-- From sfraves-return-67753-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:53:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70416 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:53:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70360 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:53:16 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 13:53:23 -0600 From: wishfm To: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010702120516.00ddcad0@hyperreal.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3076926805_143698_MIME_Part" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long --MS_Mac_OE_3076926805_143698_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yo, and speaking only on the topic of the Eminem debate... NOT Coolworld. These artists all came from the same place (the underground), work for the same label (Interscope), and have at least one similar philosophy (wreckin' shit). Although the Black Eyed Peas have a reputation for spreading a more spaced out, peaceful West Coast vibe... D12 is actually going on and on about the virtues of ecstasy, stayin' up all night, raving, etc. (check the not-so-subtle hit, 'The Thrill Of Ecstasy') which I'm sure the Peas would stop short of. But, the fact is that this track is innovative and cool as hell... for a radio jam. I'll always have less of a problem with D12 than I do with BT selling tracks to N' Sync so they can continue to dominate the World. I saw The Peas open for J5 at this years South By Southwest conference, and they were super dope... actually outplaying Cut Chemist & Co., in my opinion. Does this mean that I can't enjoy the mad scientist they call Em? Hell no. He's fucking gifted. Rude? Yes. But, ask any MC - the man can flow circles around wack rappers... and that is a fact, jack. I personally, can't wait to see him roll out over a crowd that will actually know his talent when they hear it... pleasantly surprising the naysayers, and ending the arguement over whether he can communicate outside the gangsta realm (as if his breathtaking performance of 'Stan', with Elton John, hasn't already settled this...). I know, you'll say he's got a bad attitude... a sexist, homophobic, often violent person, blah, blah, blah. You could say the same about Dr. Dre and the rest of the Aftermath crew, but you probably shouldn't... because you'd be wrong. Don't believe all of the hype. Dre his boys are all still fathers of young children who care for them as much as your parents probably did you. They know how to love. Actually, relatively speaking, they are growing up to be much more mature adults than NWA ever dreamed their disciples would be. By most counts, most these guys are actually teddy bears, making money just like the rest of America, and doing whatever the fuck they have to in the process. Can you really fault them for our capitalistic tendencies? They are the ones puffing herb and making beats all day, every day. Most Dow Chemical employees should be so lucky. I also can be counted in the faction of Americans who despise censorship, no matter how vulgar the content ... within the context of a true artistic expression. Only once the craft becomes directly responsible for harm to another human being would I step in, otherwise... people become the problem, not lyrics... this is a free world. Enjoy it. Eminem does, trust me. From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:05:16 +0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long At 11:11 PM 7/1/01 -0700, Cindy L. wrote: > >i think its great that coolworld is trying to bring >everyone.. no matter how different they are.. together.. and w/ eminem and >d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while back ago.. um.. metropolis? >they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of people watching them.. and a >lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. u don't see a lot of hip >hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in the past so why would he >be any different then black eyed peas.. *whaaaaat?* have you ever actually *listened* to eminem and the black eyed peas? if so, i don't see how you could possibly consider there to be any comparison. completely different vibe and philosophy. that's like saying that gabber and deep vocal house are similar because they are both electronic music. *shaking head* kim * experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * http://www.nwtekno.org * AIM gruvkim & ICQ 2388692 http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --MS_Mac_OE_3076926805_143698_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-67754-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:53:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72619 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:53:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72604 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:53:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702195337.9180.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: laraz@hyperreal.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RE: SRR: Warped Tour & Promoting there?! Well, in all fairness, there *IS* a certian degree of crossover between the punk rock / ska crowd, and the raver crowd. I'm one of them. I was into punk and ska YEARS before I started going to parties. I still go to shows too, and I was at the warped tour myself (haven't missed one since '96). The two scenes are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I've met a handful of others who have told me the same... they enjoy both. Notably tho, it's easier to find a raver who will admit (to another raver) to also being into punk rock than it is to find a punk who will admit (to another punk) to also going to parties. I guess, even in SF, there's some degree of antipithy directed from punks towards ravers. I don't see why it has to go both ways tho. That said, I *DID* think it pretty odd when I was handed Serenity and Area 51 flyers at warped tho. But at least it was just big over-commercializd massives being promoted and no ugs were being jepordised. Hey... remember the thread last fall where everyone came up w/ the rule: "if the flyer's bigger than your head, it's an ultra-commerical massive prolly not worth your time"? Damn, but those flyers were not just bigger than my head, but almost as big as my torso... and I'm a pretty big guy. I may have to break that rule for Area 51 tho... Meat Beat Manifesto may just be too good a draw to pass up; even if I do have to go to a massive to see them. The alternating stages and 30 minute sets? Well, the warped tour has the rule: "no band is the headliner". EVERY band gets the same amount of time, and the order of appearence is determined randomly at the beginning of the day. Yeah, it'd be nice to see my favorites get to play longer (GO Less Than Jake!!!), but it IS cool to see such a variety. And they DO fit in a ton of bands. Getting pushed and shoved around in the pit/crowd. You know, that wouldn't have bothered ma a bit a couple of years ago. In fact, I used to be all for getting to the pit ASAP. Odd tho... now, after a year of going to parties far more often than shows, it does kinda bug me now. I guess you get used to everybody being nice, it's refreshing, and it's hard to go back to the old push and shove your way around crowd. But at least it's not done with any malice... that's just the way it is at a punk show. Oh, but here's a hint on how not to get shoved to the back. Once you're forward of the people who just stand there, don't move a muscle, and just watch the band, there will be people trying to push in EVERY direction. The trick is selective resistance. Do NOT try to push or shove your way where you want to go, you'll just waste energy. Not only do you use energy going in the direction you WANT to go, but you still have to resist people shoving you the OTHER way. What you do, is just resist the people shoving you in directions you DON'T want to go; and when people start pushing in a direction you *DO* want to go, LET THEM push you. That way, not only to you use half the effort you'd otherwise use, you have the satisfaction of not actually having been an asshole and shoved people around yourself. All together tho, an awesome weekend... Imagine on friday (damn how did they get city hall?!?) and the Warped Tour on saturday.... sweet. I totally just zonked out when I got home saturday night... didn't even try to go out.... but damn what a sweet weekend. cya john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67755-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 19:58:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76086 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 19:58:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76065 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 19:58:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702195822.83340.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: ian twenty-three To: speaker jockeys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] our friends the jungle animals (very nrr) A little rabbit is happily running across the plains when he stumbles upon a giraffe rolling a joint. The rabbit looks at her and says, "Giraffe my friend, why do you do this? Come with me running across the plains, you'll see, you'll feel so much better!" The giraffe looks at him, looks at the joint, tosses it and goes off running with the rabbit. Then they come across an elephant doing coke, so the rabbit again says, "Elephant my friend, why do you do this? Think about your health. Come running with us across the pretty plains, you'll see, you'll feel so good!" The elephant looks at them, looks at his razor, mirror and all, then tosses them and starts running with the rabbit and giraffe. The three animals then come across a lion about to shoot up... "Lion my friend, why do you do this? Think about your health! Come running with us across the sunny plains, you will feel so good!" The lion looks at him, puts down his needle, and starts to beat the shit out of the little rabbit. As the giraffe and elephant watch in horror, they look at him and ask, "Lion, why did you do this? He was merely trying to help us all!" The lion answers, "This little fucker makes me run around the plains like an idiot for hours every time he's on ecstasy!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67756-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 20:27:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3545 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 20:27:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3535 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 20:27:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "DJ Tronic" , , Cc: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:27:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 20:27:14.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[61525420:01C10335] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> I thought it was a good party also... I enjoyed myself quite so, the poeple there looked like they were having fun, the music was good, the vibe was good... so what if a few dj's didn't get to play, at least the headliners actually showed up! and about the dj's not getting payed... well, i don't know anything about that... but who am i, just a raver, just like all the others that were there... Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Tronic" To: ; Cc: Sent: July 02, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > >By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I add > >didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE >KEN > >GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) > > All the DJs I know there got the full hour.. I don't know what you're > talking about on that. > > >Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and shafted a bunch of us > > I didn't have any problems at all.. I think you're just pissed off.. it was > a good party. > > Andy > Tronic > > > > > > >From: "Eckö" > >To: "sf" > >CC: "f8" > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:37:44 -0700 > > > >Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm gona > >let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry > >Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > >capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I add > >didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE KEN > >GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and > >shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You > >helped > >put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my > >friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of > >people wrong this weekend. > > > >Nick > >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >http://www.core-nrg.net > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Cheese" > >To: "Jamie Murray" ; "sf raves" > > > >Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > > > > > I had to leave before that point, but i beleive the last song Tronic > >spun > > > was "Rags to Riches" by Fergie... if it sounded like an old 50's song, > > > that's what it was... it's an awe4some f*cking song, i wish i could have > > > stayed to hear his set, i have only heard Tronic spin once and that was > >@ > > > Lift back in April... what an awesome party... > > > > > > If you wanted to see the pictures, check 'em out, we have lot's of > >pictures > > > up on our website www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > **Cheese** > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jamie Murray" > > > To: "sf raves" > > > Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > > > Sent: July 02, 2001 1:08 AM > > > Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > > > > > > > > Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a > > > > wonderful time kickin it with you, making kandy and > > > > looking at pictures oh and of course cant forget about > > > > all those parties. I any of you out there don't have > > > > a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off > > > > Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his > > > > set and that was some pretty nice jungle. Valerie > > > > Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good to put a > > > > face with the name by the way, hope to see you at > > > > future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as > > > > cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I > > > > lacked I still managed to groove my A** off as much as > > > > I could. did a lot of standing around but not by > > > > choice, My legs where just so sore after Ascencions > > > > and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I > > > > have gone to since I have been back in the scene. > > > > Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric > > > > the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as meet a > > > > few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody and > > > > friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). > > > > Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in > > > > some drama and a mew friend Mike and his little/big > > > > foe paw...anyways!!!!... > > > > Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you > > > > where caught selling drugs they would kick you out. > > > > They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And they > > > > sucessed!!! But on the same token they where also very > > > > fair about the situations. It was also that type of > > > > attitude that makes me want to come back to their > > > > parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! > > > > BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that > > > > Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this > > > > one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside > > > > during this song. Thank you in advance. > > > > Jamie > > > > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > > > > > hi people... > > > > > > > > > > well, this is my first time of being able to go to a > > > > > party > > > > > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 > > > > > saturday. wow...what a weekend. > > > > > i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it > > > > > off. > > > > > > > > > > the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then > > > > > met up with a real kool > > > > > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around > > > > > 930ish...the venue was > > > > > great...this is prolly one of those parties that > > > > > require safety precautions > > > > > to go to b/c u had to cross an active > > > > > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. > > > > > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i > > > > > dont think i can specify > > > > > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, > > > > > they had an outdoor porch > > > > > thing where people chilled and caught some fresh > > > > > air....or take a smoke... > > > > > imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the > > > > > other half of the plan > > > > > in the upcoming event focus. > > > > > > > > > > i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% > > > > > no drug > > > > > policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the > > > > > venue were kicked out. i > > > > > walked in in the middle of kenneth's > > > > > set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb > > > > > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since > > > > > popsikle...and dated way > > > > > back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as > > > > > off as usual. then, i > > > > > dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some > > > > > phat hard nrg/tekno > > > > > beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at > > > > > the end of his > > > > > set...whoever u are...much props to u. > > > > > then....anthonymad and ms. valerie > > > > > sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a > > > > > dope set. i dont kno which > > > > > one of them played the "magic carpet > > > > > ride....song...(dont kno the title) but > > > > > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin > > > > > that one i can tell u. > > > > > > > > > > back and forth i went outside and inside the > > > > > building...i met some new and > > > > > familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from > > > > > crave...charlie...tracer...dj > > > > > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i > > > > > cant remember their names. > > > > > i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be > > > > > there, but i never saw > > > > > her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont > > > > > be back for so long. > > > > > ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops > > > > > rolling down and caused > > > > > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a > > > > > while...then it was loud > > > > > again. then...one of my favs in > > > > > psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL > > > > > LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most > > > > > psy-chadelik tracks out > > > > > there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he > > > > > ended his set with some goa > > > > > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his > > > > > set short....pete nice > > > > > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on > > > > > earlier...then...a whole other > > > > > round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was > > > > > waiting for some trance > > > > > so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie > > > > > finally came on to close > > > > > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& > > > > > *))) sorry cant say what > > > > > it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he > > > > > also played one of my > > > > > favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i > > > > > was feelin it right > > > > > there. then, we called it a night...went back to > > > > > mike's house and caught > > > > > some sleep...yawn. > > > > > > > > > > i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, > > > > > enormous, gargantuant, > > > > > way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to > > > > > star...for takin the time > > > > > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had > > > > > fun. well, people, thats > > > > > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) > > > > > > > > > > -paul > > > > > dj_choco@hotmail.com > > > > > "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your > > > > > own imagination to make > > > > > your own reality." words by paul > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail > > > > > to majordomo@squinky.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67757-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 20:29:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7071 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 20:29:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7050 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 20:29:45 -0000 Message-ID: <039001c10336$0ee524a0$81a6463f@m9x0q4> From: "`black-locust'" To: "junglist" , "dnb list" Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:32:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_038B_01C102FB.5F7A9340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] COVERSION drums + bass \ sacramento \ `the SWARM' - 3rd.JULY.01 ------=_NextPart_000_038B_01C102FB.5F7A9340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this tuesday inside COVERSION \ 3rd.JULY.01 fresh back from this weekends excursion to the massive electric daisy = carnival in los angeles to play on the big stage alongside the likes of = Andy C, Kenny Ken and Mampi Swift.. this is the one everybody's been = waiting for! DJ TAO, BILLY LANE and L-SKI are back in sacramento and = ready to get uncut and insane with help from the `secret weapon' dj PL-X = and mc RAGGA BANTON as black-locust brings you THE SWARM (part one) = inside the newly renovated hot-spot! celebrate your independence and our ability to fuck up the dancefloor=20 as we bring in the 4th of July this year until 4:00am! FREEDOM @ LAST ! COVERSION \ drums + bass (special session this week, until 4:00am) every tuesday inside the rage. 1890 arden way, sacramento 10pm - 2am \ 18+ \ full bar 21+ dollar drink specials all night! circa footwear << 'nuf respect to our sponsor's www.black-locust.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_038B_01C102FB.5F7A9340-- From sfraves-return-67758-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 20:30:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8926 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 20:30:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8911 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 20:30:11 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:41:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Portugal Reforms Its National Drug Policy Portugal Reforms Its National Drug Policy Starting today, Portugal introduces Europe's most liberal drug policy. Beginning July 1, 2001, there will be no criminal penalties in that country to use and possess not only cannabis but also heavy drugs such as cocaine, heroin and amphetamines. http://www.alchemind.org/topclnews.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67759-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 20:36:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15874 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 20:36:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15864 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 20:36:20 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:47:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ANOTHER VIEW OF IMAGINE Thought I'd pass this on. I did not attend, but my friend did and these are his thoughts which he has communicated to City government. Love, Apollo _____________________________________ On June 29th I attended a benefit dance and costume party called Imagine, hosted by the Unity collective, at City Hall. This event was a fund-raiser for the LYRIC LGBT youth organization, and when held last year at Maritime Hall, raised over $10,000 for LYRIC. Named after the John Lennon song of the same title, Imagine was intended as an opportunity for members of San Francisco's dance community to create a positive expression of themselves through costume and dance, and to come together as a unified community in support of a common cause. Instead, thanks to City officials and City Hall security, they were treated as criminals and given a taste of life in a police state. Problems began upon arrival at the event, where participants were made to wait in line for over an hour and a half beyond the announced opening of the event. While standing in line, participants were told they must remove or conceal their distinctive plastic beaded necklaces and bracelets. Apparently City officials were so ashamed of having "ravers" associated with City Hall, they felt it necessary to violate participants' freedom of expression. At the door, everyone was subjected to a pat-down search, a search of their bags, and a walk through a metal detector. City Hall security seemed less concerned with drugs and weapons, however, than they were with lollipops, glowsticks, pacifier necklaces, and other items of so-called "drug paraphernalia." Once inside, armed security guards roamed through the crowd, arbitrarily seizing glowsticks, jewelry, clothing, and anything else they considered evidence of illegal activity. At one point, my friends and I even found ourselves under videotape surveillance by an armed guard who went through the crowd with a video camera. The ultimate indignity, however, was that after dancing we weren't allowed to sit down and talk with our friends -- as soon as security guards saw a group of people sit down together, they made them disperse, apparently out of some notion that friends sitting together constituted "drug activity." Funny, I thought freedom of assembly was a constitutional right. Members of Unity should be praised for doing all they could to encourage compliance with the City's demands, but it was also apparent that a clearly hostile attitude was taken by City officials toward this event, and that Unity was being set up for failure. Given that Imagine was an event conceived by young people to serve their community and to encourage others to make positive contributions to their world, and to see themselves in a positive light, this attitude on the party of the City is frankly baffling. Unity represents all that San Francisco tries to distill in its citizens, and is the type of organization that should be encouraged among the City's young people. Instead, City officials seem to have gone out their way to ensure that the experience was as unpleasant as possible for all concerned, giving substantial discouragement to Unity and any other organization for ever trying to stage an event like this again. I believe that a thorough investigation of the way in which the City handled this event is called for, and that guidelines should be established so that, in the future, participants can look forward to a fun, positive, safe environment, instead of one filled with hostile, armed guards who seem more a part of East Berlin than San Francisco. After all, I know of no other fund-raising event that has been held at City Hall where the fundamental civil rights of participants were violated. Phillip H. Gochenour, Ph.D. Visiting Assistant Professor of Digital Media Studies The University of Virginia "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67760-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 20:42:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25242 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 20:42:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25175 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 20:42:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702204243.10439.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:42:43 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: wishfm , ".oO\(groovinkim\)Oo." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long the peas are more mellow and refined than most of their peers. high-class hip hop, if you will. --- wishfm wrote: > Yo, and speaking only on the topic of the Eminem > debate... NOT Coolworld. > > These artists all came from the same place (the > underground), work for the > same label (Interscope), and have at least one > similar philosophy (wreckin' > shit). Although the Black Eyed Peas have a > reputation for spreading a more > spaced out, peaceful West Coast vibe... D12 is > actually going on and on > about the virtues of ecstasy, stayin' up all night, > raving, etc. (check the > not-so-subtle hit, 'The Thrill Of Ecstasy') which > I'm sure the Peas would > stop short of. But, the fact is that this track is > innovative and cool as > hell... for a radio jam. I'll always have less of a > problem with D12 than I > do with BT selling tracks to N' Sync so they can > continue to dominate the > World. > > I saw The Peas open for J5 at this years South By > Southwest conference, and > they were super dope... actually outplaying Cut > Chemist & Co., in my > opinion. Does this mean that I can't enjoy the mad > scientist they call Em? > > Hell no. He's fucking gifted. > > Rude? Yes. But, ask any MC - the man can flow > circles around wack > rappers... and that is a fact, jack. > > I personally, can't wait to see him roll out over a > crowd that will actually > know his talent when they hear it... pleasantly > surprising the naysayers, > and ending the arguement over whether he can > communicate outside the gangsta > realm (as if his breathtaking performance of 'Stan', > with Elton John, hasn't > already settled this...). > > I know, you'll say he's got a bad attitude... a > sexist, homophobic, often > violent person, blah, blah, blah. > You could say the same about Dr. Dre and the rest of > the Aftermath crew, but > you probably shouldn't... because you'd be wrong. > Don't believe all of the > hype. Dre his boys are all still fathers of young > children who care for > them as much as your parents probably did you. They > know how to love. > Actually, relatively speaking, they are growing up > to be much more mature > adults than NWA ever dreamed their disciples would > be. By most counts, most > these guys are actually teddy bears, making money > just like the rest of > America, and doing whatever the fuck they have to in > the process. Can you > really fault them for our capitalistic tendencies? > They are the ones > puffing herb and making beats all day, every day. > Most Dow Chemical > employees should be so lucky. > > I also can be counted in the faction of Americans > who despise censorship, no > matter how vulgar the content ... within the context > of a true artistic > expression. Only once the craft becomes directly > responsible for harm to > another human being would I step in, otherwise... > people become the problem, > not lyrics... this is a free world. > > Enjoy it. > > Eminem does, trust me. > > > > > > From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." > Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:05:16 +0000 > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] > Coolworld and their shady > ways....this is long > > > At 11:11 PM 7/1/01 -0700, Cindy L. wrote: > > > >i think its great that coolworld is trying to bring > >everyone.. no matter how different they are.. > together.. and w/ eminem and > >d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while > back ago.. um.. metropolis? > >they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of > people watching them.. and a > >lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. > u don't see a lot of hip > >hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in > the past so why would he > >be any different then black eyed peas.. > > > *whaaaaat?* > > have you ever actually *listened* to eminem and the > black eyed peas? > > if so, i don't see how you could possibly consider > there to be any > comparison. > completely different vibe and philosophy. > > that's like saying that gabber and deep vocal house > are similar because they > are both electronic music. > > *shaking head* > > kim > * experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * > http://www.nwtekno.org * AIM gruvkim & ICQ > 2388692 > http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67761-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 20:51:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31985 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 20:51:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31969 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 20:51:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.24.237.252] From: "protocol 7" To: dj_dopamine151@yahoo.com, wishfm@earthlink.net, gruvnkim@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 13:51:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 20:51:20.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF3CCF90:01C10338] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long when i think of the black eyed peas i think of mos def, tribe called quest, pharcyde, common sense, goodie mob, the roots, souls of mischief etc. when i think of eminem i think of mtv :P but eminem had a pretty tight release on rawkus (it was on soundbombing one i think) so he must have some cred. :) jason >From: dank smoker To: wishfm , ".oO\(groovinkim\)Oo." , >sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] >Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 >13:42:43 -0700 (PDT) > >the peas are more mellow and refined than most of their peers. high-class >hip hop, if you will. --- wishfm wrote: > Yo, and speaking only on the >topic of the Eminem > debate... NOT Coolworld. > > These artists all came >from the same place (the > underground), work for the > same label >(Interscope), and have at least one > similar philosophy (wreckin' > shit). >Although the Black Eyed Peas have a > reputation for spreading a more > >spaced out, peaceful West Coast vibe... D12 is > actually going on and on > >about the virtues of ecstasy, stayin' up all night, > raving, etc. (check >the > not-so-subtle hit, 'The Thrill Of Ecstasy') which > I'm sure the Peas >would > stop short of. But, the fact is that this track is > innovative and >cool as > hell... for a radio jam. I'll always have less of a > problem >with D12 than I > do with BT selling tracks to N' Sync so they can > >continue to dominate the > World. > > I saw The Peas open for J5 at this >years South By > Southwest conference, and > they were super dope... >actually outplaying Cut > Chemist & Co., in my > opinion. Does this mean >that I can't enjoy the mad > scientist they call Em? > > Hell no. He's >fucking gifted. > > Rude? Yes. But, ask any MC - the man can flow > circles >around wack > rappers... and that is a fact, jack. > > I personally, can't >wait to see him roll out over a > crowd that will actually > know his >talent when they hear it... pleasantly > surprising the naysayers, > and >ending the arguement over whether he can > communicate outside the gangsta > > realm (as if his breathtaking performance of 'Stan', > with Elton John, >hasn't > already settled this...). > > I know, you'll say he's got a bad >attitude... a > sexist, homophobic, often > violent person, blah, blah, >blah. > You could say the same about Dr. Dre and the rest of > the >Aftermath crew, but > you probably shouldn't... because you'd be wrong. > >Don't believe all of the > hype. Dre his boys are all still fathers of >young > children who care for > them as much as your parents probably did >you. They > know how to love. > Actually, relatively speaking, they are >growing up > to be much more mature > adults than NWA ever dreamed their >disciples would > be. By most counts, most > these guys are actually teddy >bears, making money > just like the rest of > America, and doing whatever >the fuck they have to in > the process. Can you > really fault them for our >capitalistic tendencies? > They are the ones > puffing herb and making >beats all day, every day. > Most Dow Chemical > employees should be so >lucky. > > I also can be counted in the faction of Americans > who despise >censorship, no > matter how vulgar the content ... within the context > of >a true artistic > expression. Only once the craft becomes directly > >responsible for harm to > another human being would I step in, otherwise... > > people become the problem, > not lyrics... this is a free world. > > >Enjoy it. > > Eminem does, trust me. > > > > > > From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." > > Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:05:16 +0000 > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] > Coolworld and their shady > >ways....this is long > > > At 11:11 PM 7/1/01 -0700, Cindy L. wrote: > > > > >i think its great that coolworld is trying to bring > >everyone.. no >matter how different they are.. > together.. and w/ eminem and > >d12.. >this reminds of a party.. not a long while > back ago.. um.. metropolis? > > >they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of > people watching them.. >and a > >lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. > u don't see a >lot of hip > >hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in > the past >so why would he > >be any different then black eyed peas.. > > > >*whaaaaat?* > > have you ever actually *listened* to eminem and the > black >eyed peas? > > if so, i don't see how you could possibly consider > there >to be any > comparison. > completely different vibe and philosophy. > > >that's like saying that gabber and deep vocal house > are similar because >they > are both electronic music. > > *shaking head* > > kim > * >experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * > http://www.nwtekno.org >* AIM gruvkim & ICQ > 2388692 > >http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > To >unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional >commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- To >unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional >commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67762-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 21:20:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51646 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 21:20:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51624 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 21:20:49 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.17c3f8ce.28723faa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:20:42 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8e.17c3f8ce.28723faa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Wednesday at the LimeLight 7pm - 2am --part1_8e.17c3f8ce.28723faa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Held Every Wednesday at the LimeLight Night Club JULY 4 .// KICKOFF > Main Room: Trance / Techno ddr (Live PA) London, UK (C.O.S.H.H. / Hazchem / Stay Up Forever / DAMN Management)One of the original London Acid Techno producer's DDR has been active on the circuit since 1990 when he was running the Full-On sound system, later joining forces with the Bedlam to throw free parties / festivals all over Europe. DDR's first vinyl release was on S.U.F. 02 and he has clocked up approx' 100 vinyl credits since on a variety of labels that include Stay Up Forever, Cluster, Choci's Chewn's. ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. ANDY TREX Germany (Noom / Tortured / Tripoli Trax) Born 10.12.68 in Stuttgart, Germany and has been DJing since 1985, Trex has played clubs all over Europe such as Lakota/ Bristol, Melk Weg / Amsterdam, Amnesia / Ibiza, Cave Club / Austria, Grodonia + Oxa, Mad, Biela Factory / Suisse, Nexus + Oz + Ohm + M1 / Stuttgart, Reaktor / Germany, Jailhouse / Germany. Just to name a few. FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: House / Trance / Breaks DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: House / Tech House / Club Favorites DEMILO SF (Release / Remedy / Eclipse) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) LimeLight Night Club 228 Castro st. (down town) Mountain View doors open @ 7pm - 2 am 3 rooms of pump sounds info: 1-800-561-1800 Web: BRAINCHILD ENTERTAINMENT --part1_8e.17c3f8ce.28723faa_boundary-- From sfraves-return-67763-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 21:31:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63011 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 21:31:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63001 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 21:31:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.66.195.147] From: "Patrick Maloney" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:31:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 21:31:16.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[53253E90:01C1033E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Thanks from Stilldream We just want to thank everyone who came out to the campout Saturday and Sunday... and we hope that everyone had as much fun as we did. Special thanks goes to Telene, Dragn'fly, Uphonic, Catch 22, Mac, Urn, Dust, Dj Pat, Alias, Dj Belle, Cantos, Sascha 23, Dj Warren, Alternate Realm, the Dancesafe crew, Dan and his motorcycle security crew :-), and the Dancesafe crew for helping to make it a wonderful night for everyone there! Sincerely, Pat + Paul Stilldream _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67764-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 21:33:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66524 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 21:33:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66487 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 21:33:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702213351.16649.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: protocol 7 , wishfm@earthlink.net, gruvnkim@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long i think eminem's been in the game too long. i mean, come on, when the guy is rapping about how 6 hits of ecstasy wont get him high no more and hes off to find some more, its time to cut him out of the loop. i --- protocol 7 wrote: > when i think of the black eyed peas i think of mos > def, tribe called quest, > pharcyde, common sense, goodie mob, the roots, souls > of mischief etc. when > i think of eminem i think of mtv :P but eminem had > a pretty tight release > on rawkus (it was on soundbombing one i think) so he > must have some cred. :) > jason > > >From: dank smoker To: wishfm , > ".oO\(groovinkim\)Oo." , > >sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] hiphop > was:Re: [sfraves] > >Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long > Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 > >13:42:43 -0700 (PDT) > > > >the peas are more mellow and refined than most of > their peers. high-class > >hip hop, if you will. --- wishfm wrote: > Yo, and > speaking only on the > >topic of the Eminem > debate... NOT Coolworld. > > > These artists all came > >from the same place (the > underground), work for > the > same label > >(Interscope), and have at least one > similar > philosophy (wreckin' > shit). > >Although the Black Eyed Peas have a > reputation > for spreading a more > > >spaced out, peaceful West Coast vibe... D12 is > > actually going on and on > > >about the virtues of ecstasy, stayin' up all night, > > raving, etc. (check > >the > not-so-subtle hit, 'The Thrill Of Ecstasy') > which > I'm sure the Peas > >would > stop short of. But, the fact is that this > track is > innovative and > >cool as > hell... for a radio jam. I'll always have > less of a > problem > >with D12 than I > do with BT selling tracks to N' > Sync so they can > > >continue to dominate the > World. > > I saw The > Peas open for J5 at this > >years South By > Southwest conference, and > they > were super dope... > >actually outplaying Cut > Chemist & Co., in my > > opinion. Does this mean > >that I can't enjoy the mad > scientist they call > Em? > > Hell no. He's > >fucking gifted. > > Rude? Yes. But, ask any MC - > the man can flow > circles > >around wack > rappers... and that is a fact, jack. > > > I personally, can't > >wait to see him roll out over a > crowd that will > actually > know his > >talent when they hear it... pleasantly > surprising > the naysayers, > and > >ending the arguement over whether he can > > communicate outside the gangsta > > > realm (as if his breathtaking performance of > 'Stan', > with Elton John, > >hasn't > already settled this...). > > I know, > you'll say he's got a bad > >attitude... a > sexist, homophobic, often > violent > person, blah, blah, > >blah. > You could say the same about Dr. Dre and > the rest of > the > >Aftermath crew, but > you probably shouldn't... > because you'd be wrong. > > >Don't believe all of the > hype. Dre his boys are > all still fathers of > >young > children who care for > them as much as > your parents probably did > >you. They > know how to love. > Actually, > relatively speaking, they are > >growing up > to be much more mature > adults than > NWA ever dreamed their > >disciples would > be. By most counts, most > these > guys are actually teddy > >bears, making money > just like the rest of > > America, and doing whatever > >the fuck they have to in > the process. Can you > > really fault them for our > >capitalistic tendencies? > They are the ones > > puffing herb and making > >beats all day, every day. > Most Dow Chemical > > employees should be so > >lucky. > > I also can be counted in the faction of > Americans > who despise > >censorship, no > matter how vulgar the content ... > within the context > of > >a true artistic > expression. Only once the craft > becomes directly > > >responsible for harm to > another human being would > I step in, otherwise... > > > people become the problem, > not lyrics... this > is a free world. > > > >Enjoy it. > > Eminem does, trust me. > > > > > > > From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." > > > Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:05:16 +0000 > To: > sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] > > Coolworld and their shady > > >ways....this is long > > > At 11:11 PM 7/1/01 > -0700, Cindy L. wrote: > > > > > >i think its great that coolworld is trying to > bring > >everyone.. no > >matter how different they are.. > together.. and w/ > eminem and > >d12.. > >this reminds of a party.. not a long while > back > ago.. um.. metropolis? > > > >they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of > > people watching them.. > >and a > >lot of who i talked to only went for that > reason.. > u don't see a > >lot of hip > >hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has > done raves in > the past > >so why would he > >be any different then black eyed > peas.. > > > > >*whaaaaat?* > > have you ever actually *listened* > to eminem and the > black > >eyed peas? > > if so, i don't see how you could > possibly consider > there > >to be any > comparison. > completely different vibe > and philosophy. > > > >that's like saying that gabber and deep vocal house > > are similar because > >they > are both electronic music. > > *shaking > head* > > kim > * > >experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * > > http://www.nwtekno.org > >* AIM gruvkim & ICQ > 2388692 > > >http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To > >unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional > >commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? Get > >personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > To > >unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional > >commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67765-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 21:38:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71323 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 21:38:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71301 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 21:38:35 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010702144041.00df3bf0@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: gruvnkim@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:40:41 +0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010702120516.00ddcad0@hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shadyways....this is long At 01:53 PM 7/2/01 -0600, wishfm wrote: > I know, you'll say he's got a bad attitude... a sexist, homophobic, often >violent person, blah, blah, blah. i wouldn't mind his attitude much if i felt that he was expressing what he truly believed, and not just saying things for shock value's sake. 'ya got to do this from your heart and from your very soul, and if it's real, only then will you be on a roll.' - tribe called quest kim * experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * http://www.nwtekno.org * AIM gruvkim & ICQ 2388692 http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67766-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 21:47:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80289 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 21:47:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80272 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 21:47:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.38.73.57] From: "jason" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:46:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 21:46:38.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[792BD2F0:01C10340] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] resources hey wise sfravers- big question: i'm in the process of taking my tekno participation up a level- i already dance and appreciate, but i want to do more with it. i have a good background in trad/classical instrument training, a good ear, a fair amount of creative inspiration and desire. those are one the pro side... on the con side- finances are too tight at the moment to go running around spending money on expensive equipment to learn on. also, though i am learning a great deal through a number of sources, i am still quite ignorant re: computer/electrical systems. my familiarity with the software and hardware involved in making the music i'd like to make is limited to some experience with protools and cubase, korg synthesizers, and a primitive broadcasting set-up at a college radio station. so i guess the question is really more of a request for advice from those who have gone before... those of you who produce your own music- how did you begin? what kind of equipment did you learn/practice on? any ideas on *free* resources a novice can spend some time with? i have a number of projects started and ideas of my own- just wanted to hear what some of the veterans thought. a small home studio is the end goal- possibly something i could turn around and make into a free community resource of the kind i'm currently seeking out. private responses unless you think the list will benefit. there you go... j _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67767-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 21:50:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83236 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 21:50:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83223 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 21:50:17 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010702144852.02b7fee0@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:50:37 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Portugal Reforms Its National Drug Policy holy SHIT! That's one hell of a huge step! I can't imagine that this would be all good.. legal heroin possession and usage? On the other hand.. Portugal is pretty small, but they have coast line.. so does that mean they'll become the new ocean port for exporting drugs? sarilion At 01:41 PM 7/2/2001 -0700, Apollo wrote: >Portugal Reforms Its National Drug Policy > >Starting today, Portugal introduces Europe's most liberal drug policy. >Beginning July 1, 2001, there will be no criminal penalties in that >country to use and possess not only cannabis but also heavy drugs such >as cocaine, heroin and amphetamines. > > >http://www.alchemind.org/topclnews.htm > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67768-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 21:54:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88229 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 21:54:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88218 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 21:54:11 -0000 Message-ID: <022301c10342$12958c00$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , "Raver" References: <4.3.1.0.20010702144852.02b7fee0@qix.netcorps.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:58:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Portugal Reforms Its National Drug Policy Read the article, They are instituting forced treatment instead of criminal charges. Kind of a 50/50 thing. Basically it comes down to treating every drug user as an addict, whether they have tried it once, a million times, or never. All you have to do is be in possession of it. -B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raver" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Portugal Reforms Its National Drug Policy > holy SHIT! > > That's one hell of a huge step! I can't imagine that this would be all > good.. legal heroin possession and usage? On the other hand.. Portugal is > pretty small, but they have coast line.. so does that mean they'll become > the new ocean port for exporting drugs? > > sarilion > > At 01:41 PM 7/2/2001 -0700, Apollo wrote: > > >Portugal Reforms Its National Drug Policy > > > >Starting today, Portugal introduces Europe's most liberal drug policy. > >Beginning July 1, 2001, there will be no criminal penalties in that > >country to use and possess not only cannabis but also heavy drugs such > >as cocaine, heroin and amphetamines. > > > > > >http://www.alchemind.org/topclnews.htm > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67769-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 21:57:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91607 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 21:57:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91589 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 21:56:58 -0000 Message-ID: <3B40EF25.4EC5631F@urbanassault.org> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:01:09 -0700 From: siphon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received: By mailgate2.Cadence.COM as OAA02155 at Mon Jul 2 14:56:43 2001 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] B..S..P.. KILLA SUBZ July 4th! ..B..S..P Come celebrate this 4th of July @ Killa Subz!!! It's our 63rd week and we're happy to be bringing you the breaks and the bass. This will be our first installment of nu and old skl brks. Drum n bass follows the second half of the night! KILLA SUBZ Every Wednesday night in down town San jose @ The Cactus Club 417 S. First Street San Jose 18+/21 full bar $5 cover 9:30-2am SCHEDULE (2step/breakz) dlux open - 10:30 siphon 10:30 - 11:30 (drum n bass) proxy 11:30 - 12:30 hak 12:30 - close Easy, ------------------------------------------ Siphon http://www.urbanassault.org http://www.killasubz.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67770-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 22:01:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95221 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 22:01:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95211 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 22:01:10 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Klobas, Joshua" To: 'jason' , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:59:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10342.3D0076D0" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] resources ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10342.3D0076D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Two names: Both by Sonic Foundry You really have to play around with "graphical" music composition software to appreciate it... Sound Forge and Acid Josh -----Original Message----- From: jason [mailto:ekis4d@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:47 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] resources hey wise sfravers- big question: i'm in the process of taking my tekno participation up a level- i already dance and appreciate, but i want to do more with it. i have a good background in trad/classical instrument training, a good ear, a fair amount of creative inspiration and desire. those are one the pro side... on the con side- finances are too tight at the moment to go running around spending money on expensive equipment to learn on. also, though i am learning a great deal through a number of sources, i am still quite ignorant re: computer/electrical systems. my familiarity with the software and hardware involved in making the music i'd like to make is limited to some experience with protools and cubase, korg synthesizers, and a primitive broadcasting set-up at a college radio station. so i guess the question is really more of a request for advice from those who have gone before... those of you who produce your own music- how did you begin? what kind of equipment did you learn/practice on? any ideas on *free* resources a novice can spend some time with? i have a number of projects started and ideas of my own- just wanted to hear what some of the veterans thought. a small home studio is the end goal- possibly something i could turn around and make into a free community resource of the kind i'm currently seeking out. private responses unless you think the list will benefit. there you go... j _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10342.3D0076D0-- From sfraves-return-67771-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 22:15:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15264 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 22:15:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15254 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 22:15:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.165] From: "innocentchild" To: "jason" , References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:14:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 22:15:09.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[74EC7EC0:01C10344] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] resources I took classes at DVC in Pleasant Hill because I wanted access to toys that I couldn't afford. I had already been producing on my ghetto lil setup at home, but the amount of gear that school had was great. I've heard that it's expanded quite a bit and now instead of Opcode Studio Vision Pro it's been switched over to Emagic - Logic. I know that San Mateo City has something on par with DVC. Cost you less than $50 to take the class, learn the equip and get access to do more. I would say ebay and the classifieds are your friend for cheap equip. I got my Roland D5 and my S10 sampler all for $200 in 91 because I found someone that bought it all on a whim and then decided that he was bored of it. I had $200 in cash and he didn't seem to care! Great deal for me =) I was sequencing in Vision on a Powerbook 140 (yes the old b+w 1st gen powerbook) and it did the job. Too bad it died finally. ryan.bailey sninesix.design www.viberation.com/ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "jason" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:46 PM Subject: [sfraves] resources > hey wise sfravers- > > big question: > > i'm in the process of taking my tekno participation up a level- i already > dance and appreciate, but i want to do more with it. i have a good > background in trad/classical instrument training, a good ear, a fair amount > of creative inspiration and desire. those are one the pro side... > > on the con side- finances are too tight at the moment to go running around > spending money on expensive equipment to learn on. also, though i am > learning a great deal through a number of sources, i am still quite ignorant > re: computer/electrical systems. my familiarity with the software and > hardware involved in making the music i'd like to make is limited to some > experience with protools and cubase, korg synthesizers, and a primitive > broadcasting set-up at a college radio station. > > so i guess the question is really more of a request for advice from those > who have gone before... those of you who produce your own music- how did you > begin? what kind of equipment did you learn/practice on? any ideas on *free* > resources a novice can spend some time with? > > i have a number of projects started and ideas of my own- just wanted to hear > what some of the veterans thought. a small home studio is the end goal- > possibly something i could turn around and make into a free community > resource of the kind i'm currently seeking out. > > private responses unless you think the list will benefit. > > there you go... > > j > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67772-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 22:18:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17990 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 22:18:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17922 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 22:18:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702221842.13088.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:18:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] random relief. :) ha, hands still tingly..nrr okay, so let me just say that if anyone thinks that i am so shallow that i immediately match the prototype, then thank you for cutting down on the lag time. i've always had a knack for living beyond the ten commandments. maybe you should try it too, oh chosen one. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67773-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 22:24:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28734 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 22:24:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28720 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 22:24:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702222447.22138.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: "John B." , laraz@hyperreal.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010702195337.9180.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: SRR: Warped Tour & Promoting there?! Warped Tour was pretty fun! shouldn't have forgotten the sunblock though! d'oh!! yeah i'd have to agree with the fact that it is a little irritating when people push you out of the way on purpose. i'm so used to people being so sorry if they even bump into you at a rave it was a little hard not to get irritated. but hey it's just that kinda crowd. what is sucks about the flyer thing is that...yeah there are people that go to raves that attend these kind of concerts but the majority of people probably don't and all those flyers just end up on the ground. it's just a mess. the people that do attend parties probably already got the same flyer at a rave they went to. i know they were promoting area 51 and serenity at BFD too. same situation...lots of wasted paper. i just think it's so awful to waste paper like that and it's not like the promoters hang around and clean up all the dicarded flyers. angela --- "John B." wrote: > Well, in all fairness, there *IS* a certian degree of > crossover between the > punk rock / ska crowd, and the raver crowd. I'm one of > them. I was into punk > and ska YEARS before I started going to parties. I still > go to shows too, and > I was at the warped tour myself (haven't missed one since > '96). The two scenes > are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I've met a > handful of others who have > told me the same... they enjoy both. Notably tho, it's > easier to find a raver > who will admit (to another raver) to also being into punk > rock than it is to > find a punk who will admit (to another punk) to also > going to parties. I > guess, even in SF, there's some degree of antipithy > directed from punks towards > ravers. I don't see why it has to go both ways tho. > > That said, I *DID* think it pretty odd when I was handed > Serenity and Area 51 > flyers at warped tho. But at least it was just big > over-commercializd massives > being promoted and no ugs were being jepordised. > > Hey... remember the thread last fall where everyone came > up w/ the rule: "if > the flyer's bigger than your head, it's an > ultra-commerical massive prolly not > worth your time"? Damn, but those flyers were not just > bigger than my head, > but almost as big as my torso... and I'm a pretty big > guy. I may have to break > that rule for Area 51 tho... Meat Beat Manifesto may just > be too good a draw to > pass up; even if I do have to go to a massive to see > them. > > The alternating stages and 30 minute sets? Well, the > warped tour has the rule: > "no band is the headliner". EVERY band gets the same > amount of time, and the > order of appearence is determined randomly at the > beginning of the day. Yeah, > it'd be nice to see my favorites get to play longer (GO > Less Than Jake!!!), but > it IS cool to see such a variety. And they DO fit in a > ton of bands. > > Getting pushed and shoved around in the pit/crowd. You > know, that wouldn't > have bothered ma a bit a couple of years ago. In fact, I > used to be all for > getting to the pit ASAP. Odd tho... now, after a year of > going to parties far > more often than shows, it does kinda bug me now. I guess > you get used to > everybody being nice, it's refreshing, and it's hard to > go back to the old push > and shove your way around crowd. But at least it's not > done with any malice... > that's just the way it is at a punk show. > > Oh, but here's a hint on how not to get shoved to the > back. Once you're > forward of the people who just stand there, don't move a > muscle, and just watch > the band, there will be people trying to push in EVERY > direction. The trick is > selective resistance. Do NOT try to push or shove your > way where you want to > go, you'll just waste energy. Not only do you use energy > going in the > direction you WANT to go, but you still have to resist > people shoving you the > OTHER way. What you do, is just resist the people > shoving you in directions > you DON'T want to go; and when people start pushing in a > direction you *DO* > want to go, LET THEM push you. That way, not only to you > use half the effort > you'd otherwise use, you have the satisfaction of not > actually having been an > asshole and shoved people around yourself. > > All together tho, an awesome weekend... Imagine on friday > (damn how did they > get city hall?!?) and the Warped Tour on saturday.... > sweet. I totally just > zonked out when I got home saturday night... didn't even > try to go out.... but > damn what a sweet weekend. > > > > cya > john > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67774-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 22:38:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38564 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 22:38:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38554 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 22:38:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c10348$2ddb9b20$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:41:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> Okay..I just spoke with a represented from phatcow productions. They completely apologized for the things that happened and intend to make it up to the dj's that did not spin. I was also informed about other things that took place and would like to apologize for calling them money hungry. Phatcow explained that they know they fucked up and their apologies was admirable so I would like to apologize for making them look bad. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.J. Shaman" To: Cc: "sf" ; "f8" Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Re: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > The move to that place was to BOOST capacity? I hate to see the original > 2 room venue. Was it 2 small closets? > The place was small enough as it is. I wonder why all the dj's would > even leave the party without getting paid? Kenneth wasn't hiding > at the party, I talked to him. Did no one ask to be paid? > I had fun at this party. It was nice to have room to dance on the > dance floor, and I had fun playing on those drums in the back of > the room. I'm glad that the party went all night, at one point I > saw someone getting kicked out for trying to sell drugs, and I saw > them outside telling everyone "party's over, the cops will be here > soon" > glad nothing happened with that. > MAD props on giving away free ear plugs. That is so amazingly cool. > It seemed like the promoter cared for the safety of his clients, > not allowing drugs and protecting their hearing. > The map point was kind of far away, but that's my only complaint. > > Baked, Not Fried, > Shaman > > At Monday, 2 July 2001, "Eckö" wrote: > > >Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party. > . I'm gona > >let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry > >Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > >capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might > I add > >didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE > KEN > >GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the > dj's and > >shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that > You helped > >put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my > >friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of > >people wrong this weekend. > > > >Nick > >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >http://www.core-nrg.net > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Cheese" > >To: "Jamie Murray" ; "sf raves" > > > >Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > >> I had to leave before that point, but i beleive the last song > Tronic spun > >> was "Rags to Riches" by Fergie... if it sounded like an old 50's > song, > >> that's what it was... it's an awe4some f*cking song, i wish i > could have > >> stayed to hear his set, i have only heard Tronic spin once and > that was @ > >> Lift back in April... what an awesome party... > >> > >> If you wanted to see the pictures, check 'em out, we have lot's of > >pictures > >> up on our website www.BayAreaRavers.com > >> > >> > >> Timothy > >> **Cheese** > >> itswidow@hotmail.com > >> http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jamie Murray" > >> To: "sf raves" > >> Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > >> Sent: July 02, 2001 1:08 AM > >> Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > >> > >> > >> > Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a > >> > wonderful time kickin it with you, making kandy and > >> > looking at pictures oh and of course cant forget about > >> > all those parties. I any of you out there don't have > >> > a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off > >> > Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. > >> > Thank you. > >> > Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his > >> > set and that was some pretty nice jungle. Valerie > >> > Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good to put a > >> > face with the name by the way, hope to see you at > >> > future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as > >> > cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I > >> > lacked I still managed to groove my A** off as much as > >> > I could. did a lot of standing around but not by > >> > choice, My legs where just so sore after Ascencions > >> > and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I > >> > have gone to since I have been back in the scene. > >> > Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric > >> > the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as meet a > >> > few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody and > >> > friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). > >> > Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in > >> > some drama and a mew friend Mike and his little/big > >> > foe paw...anyways!!!!... > >> > Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you > >> > where caught selling drugs they would kick you out. > >> > They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And they > >> > sucessed!!! But on the same token they where also very > >> > fair about the situations. It was also that type of > >> > attitude that makes me want to come back to their > >> > parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! > >> > BTW does anyone know the name of the last track that > >> > Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this > >> > one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside > >> > during this song. Thank you in advance. > >> > Jamie > >> > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > >> > > hi people... > >> > > > >> > > well, this is my first time of being able to go to a > >> > > party > >> > > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by 120 > >> > > saturday. wow...what a weekend. > >> > > i havent really gotten much sleep, but i pulled it > >> > > off. > >> > > > >> > > the journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then > >> > > met up with a real kool > >> > > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around > >> > > 930ish...the venue was > >> > > great...this is prolly one of those parties that > >> > > require safety precautions > >> > > to go to b/c u had to cross an active > >> > > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. > >> > > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i > >> > > dont think i can specify > >> > > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, > >> > > they had an outdoor porch > >> > > thing where people chilled and caught some fresh > >> > > air....or take a smoke... > >> > > imet andy and leon from neuroscience creations...the > >> > > other half of the plan > >> > > in the upcoming event focus. > >> > > > >> > > i realized that they were enforcing an absolute 100% > >> > > no drug > >> > > policy....anyone who tried to sell drugs in the > >> > > venue were kicked out. i > >> > > walked in in the middle of kenneth's > >> > > set...wow....what a sick ass jungle/dnb > >> > > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since > >> > > popsikle...and dated way > >> > > back....last yr at metropolis. i was dancin my as > >> > > off as usual. then, i > >> > > dont kno who this guy was, but he came up with some > >> > > phat hard nrg/tekno > >> > > beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at > >> > > the end of his > >> > > set...whoever u are...much props to u. > >> > > then....anthonymad and ms. valerie > >> > > sparks came up with some happycore...they spun a > >> > > dope set. i dont kno which > >> > > one of them played the "magic carpet > >> > > ride....song...(dont kno the title) but > >> > > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin > >> > > that one i can tell u. > >> > > > >> > > back and forth i went outside and inside the > >> > > building...i met some new and > >> > > familiar faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from > >> > > crave...charlie...tracer...dj > >> > > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i > >> > > cant remember their names. > >> > > i got an email from cocoa...that she was gonna be > >> > > there, but i never saw > >> > > her...it sux, bc shes leaving to go to LA...and wont > >> > > be back for so long. > >> > > ill miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops > >> > > rolling down and caused > >> > > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a > >> > > while...then it was loud > >> > > again. then...one of my favs in > >> > > psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL > >> > > LIU...WOW...what a SET! he broke out with the most > >> > > psy-chadelik tracks out > >> > > there. woo, what an experience. i loved how he > >> > > ended his set with some goa > >> > > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his > >> > > set short....pete nice > >> > > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on > >> > > earlier...then...a whole other > >> > > round of hardcore/happycore came up blastin. i was > >> > > waiting for some trance > >> > > so i chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie > >> > > finally came on to close > >> > > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& > >> > > *))) sorry cant say what > >> > > it is...or else someone might get mad. hehe...ya, he > >> > > also played one of my > >> > > favorites...the living dream and maid of orleans. i > >> > > was feelin it right > >> > > there. then, we called it a night...went back to > >> > > mike's house and caught > >> > > some sleep...yawn. > >> > > > >> > > i would just like to give a big, huge, extravagant, > >> > > enormous, gargantuant, > >> > > way bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to > >> > > star...for takin the time > >> > > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had > >> > > fun. well, people, thats > >> > > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. =) > >> > > > >> > > -paul > >> > > dj_choco@hotmail.com > >> > > "reality is for those who lac imagination; use your > >> > > own imagination to make > >> > > your own reality." words by paul > >> > > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >> > > http://explorer.msn.com > >> > > > >> > > --- > >> > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail > >> > > to majordomo@squinky.org > >> > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >> > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > >--- > >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. > org > >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67775-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 22:55:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48567 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 22:55:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48556 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 22:55:21 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:48:01 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-206-212-147.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.212.147]; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:55:16 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] To the person who broke into my car at imagine... Ok lists, like the topic says, this is to the person who broke my car window and took my CD's at imagine. I'm really sorry that you had to go and break my window to get into my car. I would have gladly opened the door for you had you taken the time to come find me. I do appreciate trying to help me flyer by scattering half of them all over the street, but the point is to get them into the hands of ravers, not on the bottom of wheels. I really hope that you enjoy the 200+ Compact Disks that I have collected over the past 2 years. I have gotten much satisfaction listening to them, and maybe my music will change your life so you don't have to go around breaking car windows and stealing CD's anymore. I recommend listening to the Deepsky Live CD, the Hybrid bootlegs, PVD's 33 RPM, and the Live Radiohead Bootlegs. Please check out my demo CD in there too, it's a silver CDR labled "shaman sleep dep" Tell me if you like it. Thank you very much for leaving my jar of marijuana, I don't know how I could have coped with the cold ride home (not having a back window) without it. Can I ask what you were looking for in the glove box? It was open when I found it, but nothing was gone. Maybe if you tell me what you were looking for, something might be arranged? The window was only $75 to fix, and if you'd ever like to take me out to dinner or something to make up for that it would be appreciated. . I hope you have a nice day. Baked, Not Fried, Shaman --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67776-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 22:58:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50575 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 22:58:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50565 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 22:58:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702225822.4454.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] To the person who broke into my car at imagine... I'm sorry about what happened to you, brother. But, in all honesty, I seriously doubt it was anyone on the list. Try Civic Center BART in front of the Carls Jr. and you'll probably find the guy selling your CD's. This cat breaks into cars often in that area then sells them there during the day. Once again, sorry for your loss but it really isn't fair to blame people on the list. --- "D.J. Shaman" wrote: > Ok lists, like the topic says, this is to the person > who broke my > car window and took my CD's at imagine. > > I'm really sorry that you had to go and break my > window to get into > my car. I would have gladly opened the door for you > had you taken > the time to come find me. I do appreciate trying to > help me flyer > by scattering half of them all over the street, but > the point is > to get them into the hands of ravers, not on the > bottom of wheels. > I really hope that you enjoy the 200+ Compact Disks > that I have > collected over the past 2 years. I have gotten much > satisfaction > listening to them, and maybe my music will change > your life so you > don't have to go around breaking car windows and > stealing CD's anymore. > I recommend listening to the Deepsky Live CD, the > Hybrid bootlegs, > PVD's 33 RPM, and the Live Radiohead Bootlegs. > Please check out > my demo CD in there too, it's a silver CDR labled > "shaman sleep dep" > Tell me if you like it. > > Thank you very much for leaving my jar of marijuana, > I don't know > how I could have coped with the cold ride home (not > having a back > window) without it. > Can I ask what you were looking for in the glove > box? It was open > when I found it, but nothing was gone. Maybe if you > tell me what > you were looking for, something might be arranged? > The window was only $75 to fix, and if you'd ever > like to take me > out to dinner or something to make up for that it > would be appreciated. > . > > I hope you have a nice day. > Baked, Not Fried, > Shaman > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67777-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 23:04:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55726 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 23:04:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55715 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 23:04:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:03:51 -0700 Message-Id: <200107022303.QAA04895@mail3.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.201.189] From: "dj huey" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BsP>>Blue Light Special This Wed hello folks, this wed night is gonna be off the hook.........We have Rick V from in the mix and Allen Craig from Night life.......so come out and have some fun and as usual it's free to everyone on sfr so e-mail me back with an rsvp huey ------------------------------------------------------------ [- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67778-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 23:05:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57846 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 23:05:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57827 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 23:05:20 -0000 Message-ID: From: Piers Sutton To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:04:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] To the person who broke into my car at imagine... This happened to my car after Quest IV and that was in the cold of fall/winter....brrr the ride home (30+ miles) sucked the big one. They didn't even take anything lol, ug TurtleTracks > -----Original Message----- > From: D.J. Shaman [mailto:shaman@bluegreen.org] > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:48 PM > To: frequency-8@squinky.org; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] To the person who broke into my car at imagine... > > > Ok lists, like the topic says, this is to the person who broke my > car window and took my CD's at imagine. > > I'm really sorry that you had to go and break my window to get into > my car. I would have gladly opened the door for you had you taken > the time to come find me. I do appreciate trying to help me flyer > by scattering half of them all over the street, but the point is > to get them into the hands of ravers, not on the bottom of wheels. > I really hope that you enjoy the 200+ Compact Disks that I have > collected over the past 2 years. I have gotten much satisfaction > listening to them, and maybe my music will change your life so you > don't have to go around breaking car windows and stealing > CD's anymore. > I recommend listening to the Deepsky Live CD, the Hybrid bootlegs, > PVD's 33 RPM, and the Live Radiohead Bootlegs. Please check out > my demo CD in there too, it's a silver CDR labled "shaman sleep dep" > Tell me if you like it. > > Thank you very much for leaving my jar of marijuana, I don't know > how I could have coped with the cold ride home (not having a back > window) without it. > Can I ask what you were looking for in the glove box? It was open > when I found it, but nothing was gone. Maybe if you tell me what > you were looking for, something might be arranged? > The window was only $75 to fix, and if you'd ever like to take me > out to dinner or something to make up for that it would be > appreciated. > . > > I hope you have a nice day. > Baked, Not Fried, > Shaman > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ============================================================================ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information content in the email is of a privileged and confidential nature and is intended only for use by the intended addresses of original author of this mail. 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I will not be playing, however. Mr. Leon Cook will step into the place instead, Sorry about the mix up. Blair STEREOPHONIK >From: "Blair O'Malley" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] bsp-STEREOPHONIK-4th of July! >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:05:11 -0000 > >This installment- > RESIDENT NIGHT! > Patrick > Keith Edwards > Owen LEON COOK! > > Killasubz in the other room. > Please be sure to use up all your explosives before you enter. > NEXT WEEK JULY 11! > DDR-a live acid P.A.(Smitten, Stay Up Forever, Hazchem, Coshh) > Plus your usual set of degenerates- > Damon vs. Keith Edwards > Blair > Amber (who is Not a degenerate) > > Sterophonik > at > The Cactus Club > 417 S 1st St. > San Jose Ca > 18 and up with ID > booze for the older folk > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67780-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 23:13:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67732 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 23:13:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67714 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 23:13:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702231335.87955.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Teks To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <000f01c10348$2ddb9b20$100110ac@thenoid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> I would like to add my insight on the party: what I liked: the trippy visuals on the wall, the few people that I did meet or bump into and the two NRG sets from Dj Tronic and some other DJ, and the short trance set by charlie. the UG feel of the location and view it presented it went all night past 4am.. Didnt like: room was kinda hot(lucky it wasnt packed with people) the shallow turnout of people(under 200?) only one room for music(nrg, jungle, happy hardcore and hardcore all together) the "club like" lighting set up behind the djs The price 28 bucks didnt exactly get my moneys worth. and finally... what ended the night on such a bad note, my back was killing me from standing/dancing that I was sitting down waiting to leave arond 5am, and this guy with a cow print cowboy hat(promoter?) came up to us and asked if we would help clean up, I said my back was hurting me and I wanted to sit down, I said I would if my back wasnt hurting so bad, he looked at me like I was lying or was some kinda a-hole for not cleaning up!? not only my back was my back hurting, but I spent like 40 bucks that night after admission and water and the guy wants me to help clean up!? that pissed me off so I left on a bad note. ok that felt good to get out :-) again these are my OPINIONS of the party and do not represent what everyone else experienced ! Teks --- Eckö wrote: > Okay..I just spoke with a represented from phatcow > productions. They > completely apologized for the things that happened > and intend to make it up > to the dj's that did not spin. I was also informed > about other things that > took place and would like to apologize for calling > them money hungry. > Phatcow explained that they know they fucked up and > their apologies was > admirable so I would like to apologize for making > them look bad. > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D.J. Shaman" > To: > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 > review...>> > > > > The move to that place was to BOOST capacity? I > hate to see the original > > 2 room venue. Was it 2 small closets? > > The place was small enough as it is. I wonder why > all the dj's would > > even leave the party without getting paid? Kenneth > wasn't hiding > > at the party, I talked to him. Did no one ask to > be paid? > > I had fun at this party. It was nice to have room > to dance on the > > dance floor, and I had fun playing on those drums > in the back of > > the room. I'm glad that the party went all night, > at one point I > > saw someone getting kicked out for trying to sell > drugs, and I saw > > them outside telling everyone "party's over, the > cops will be here > > soon" > > glad nothing happened with that. > > MAD props on giving away free ear plugs. That is > so amazingly cool. > > It seemed like the promoter cared for the safety > of his clients, > > not allowing drugs and protecting their hearing. > > The map point was kind of far away, but that's my > only complaint. > > > > Baked, Not Fried, > > Shaman > > > > At Monday, 2 July 2001, "Eckö" > wrote: > > > > >Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for > Kenneth's party. > > . I'm gona > > >let everyone in on the side they didn't see or > hear about. Money hungry > > >Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so > he could boost up > > >capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that > are very pissed might > > I add > > >didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 > minute set.(BUT OF COURSE > > KEN > > >GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't > pay any of the > > dj's and > > >shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let > everyone know that > > You helped > > >put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. > I'm sorry Ken your my > > >friend but phat cow will never have our support > again, you did allot of > > >people wrong this weekend. > > > > > >Nick > > >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > >http://www.core-nrg.net > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Cheese" > > >To: "Jamie Murray" ; "sf > raves" > > > > > >Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& > Track ID > > > > > >> I had to leave before that point, but i beleive > the last song > > Tronic spun > > >> was "Rags to Riches" by Fergie... if it sounded > like an old 50's > > song, > > >> that's what it was... it's an awe4some f*cking > song, i wish i > > could have > > >> stayed to hear his set, i have only heard > Tronic spin once and > > that was @ > > >> Lift back in April... what an awesome party... > > >> > > >> If you wanted to see the pictures, check 'em > out, we have lot's of > > >pictures > > >> up on our website www.BayAreaRavers.com > > >> > > >> > > >> Timothy > > >> **Cheese** > > >> itswidow@hotmail.com > > >> http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Jamie Murray" > > >> To: "sf raves" > > >> Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > > >> Sent: July 02, 2001 1:08 AM > > >> Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& > Track ID > > >> > > >> > > >> > Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I > had such a > > >> > wonderful time kickin it with you, making > kandy and > > >> > looking at pictures oh and of course cant > forget about > > >> > all those parties. I any of you out there > don't have > > >> > a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed > off > > >> > Paul's energy at times when I think I have > none. > > >> > Thank you. > > >> > Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was > doing his > > >> > set and that was some pretty nice jungle. > Valerie > > >> > Sparks was awesome. and so was Charlie. Good > to put a > > >> > face with the name by the way, hope to see > you at > > >> > future parties. Tronic was so dope as well > as > > >> > cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much > energy I > > >> > lacked I still managed to groove my A** off > as much as > > >> > I could. did a lot of standing around but > not by > > >> > choice, My legs where just so sore after > Ascencions > > >> > and Imagine. It was by far one of the best > parties I > > >> > have gone to since I have been back in the > scene. > > >> > Saw so many of the kids i arleady knew, > Tigger, Eric > > >> > the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and Mari, as well as > meet a > > >> > few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody > and > > >> > friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at > FOCUS). > > >> > Tried to meet some new ppl but was also > cuaght up in > > >> > some drama and a mew friend Mike and his > little/big > > >> > foe paw...anyways!!!!... > > >> > Yes these guy where not joking when they said > if you > > >> > where caught selling drugs they would kick > you out. > > >> > They where seriuosly enforcing this rule. And > they > > >> > sucessed!!! But on the same token they where > also very > > >> > fair about the situations. It was also that > type of > > >> > attitude that makes me want to come back to > their > > >> > parties. Thank you Phat Cow!!! > > >> > BTW does anyone know the name of the last > track that > > >> > Tronic spun? I know you might know the > answer to this > > >> > one Paul, but you where outside when I wad > inside > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67781-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 23:23:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75922 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 23:22:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75911 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 23:22:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: ecko37@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 23:22:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 23:22:29.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC9A9D50:01C1034D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: F8: Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> sounds like hush money pay off to me;) >From: "Eckö" To: "sf" CC: "f8" Subject: Re: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 >review...>> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:41:46 -0700 > >Okay..I just spoke with a represented from phatcow productions. They >completely apologized for the things that happened and intend to make it up >to the dj's that did not spin. I was also informed about other things that >took place and would like to apologize for calling them money hungry. >Phatcow explained that they know they fucked up and their apologies was >admirable so I would like to apologize for making them look bad. Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original >Message ----- From: "D.J. Shaman" To: Cc: "sf" ; "f8" Sent: Monday, July >02, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Re: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > The move to that place was to BOOST capacity? I hate to see the original > > 2 room venue. Was it 2 small closets? > The place was small enough as it >is. I wonder why all the dj's would > even leave the party without getting >paid? Kenneth wasn't hiding > at the party, I talked to him. Did no one ask >to be paid? > I had fun at this party. It was nice to have room to dance on >the > dance floor, and I had fun playing on those drums in the back of > >the room. I'm glad that the party went all night, at one point I > saw >someone getting kicked out for trying to sell drugs, and I saw > them >outside telling everyone "party's over, the cops will be here > soon" > >glad nothing happened with that. > MAD props on giving away free ear plugs. >That is so amazingly cool. > It seemed like the promoter cared for the >safety of his clients, > not allowing drugs and protecting their hearing. > >The map point was kind of far away, but that's my only complaint. > > >Baked, Not Fried, > Shaman > > At Monday, 2 July 2001, "Eckö" wrote: > > > >Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party. > . I'm >gona > >let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money >hungry > >Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost >up > >capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might > > I add > >didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF >COURSE > KEN > >GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of >the > dj's and > >shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone >know that > You helped > >put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. >I'm sorry Ken your my > >friend but phat cow will never have our support >again, you did allot of > >people wrong this weekend. > > > >Nick > > >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >http://www.core-nrg.net > >----- >Original Message ----- > >From: "Cheese" > >To: "Jamie Murray" ; "sf raves" > > > > >Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM > >Subject: >Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > > > >> I had to leave >before that point, but i beleive the last song > Tronic spun > >> was "Rags >to Riches" by Fergie... if it sounded like an old 50's > song, > >> that's >what it was... it's an awe4some f*cking song, i wish i > could have > >> >stayed to hear his set, i have only heard Tronic spin once and > that was @ > > >> Lift back in April... what an awesome party... > >> > >> If you >wanted to see the pictures, check 'em out, we have lot's of > >pictures > > >> up on our website www.BayAreaRavers.com > >> > >> > >> Timothy > >> >**Cheese** > >> itswidow@hotmail.com > >> http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jamie Murray" > >> >To: "sf raves" > >> Cc: "Pual CHOCO" > >> Sent: July 02, 2001 1:08 AM > >> >Subject: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>>& Track ID > >> > >> > >> > >Nicely done Paul. Bravo!!! and thank you I had such a > >> > wonderful time >kickin it with you, making kandy and > >> > looking at pictures oh and of >course cant forget about > >> > all those parties. I any of you out there >don't have > >> > a sober party buddy find one. I totally feed off > >> > >Paul's energy at times when I think I have none. > >> > Thank you. > >> > >Yes in fact we did walk in as Kenneth was doing his > >> > set and that was >some pretty nice jungle. Valerie > >> > Sparks was awesome. and so was >Charlie. Good to put a > >> > face with the name by the way, hope to see >you at > >> > future parties. Tronic was so dope as well as > >> > >cluodskipper. Dispite the fact of how much energy I > >> > lacked I still >managed to groove my A** off as much as > >> > I could. did a lot of >standing around but not by > >> > choice, My legs where just so sore after >Ascencions > >> > and Imagine. It was by far one of the best parties I > >> > > have gone to since I have been back in the scene. > >> > Saw so many of >the kids i arleady knew, Tigger, Eric > >> > the Baker, Kirsten, Cat, and >Mari, as well as meet a > >> > few new faces, Charlie, Kenneth, Buzz, Woody >and > >> > friend, and Andy and Leon ( i will see you at FOCUS). > >> > >Tried to meet some new ppl but was also cuaght up in > >> > some drama and >a mew friend Mike and his little/big > >> > foe paw...anyways!!!!... > >> > >Yes these guy where not joking when they said if you > >> > where caught >selling drugs they would kick you out. > >> > They where seriuosly >enforcing this rule. And they > >> > sucessed!!! But on the same token they >where also very > >> > fair about the situations. It was also that type of > > >> > attitude that makes me want to come back to their > >> > parties. >Thank you Phat Cow!!! > >> > BTW does anyone know the name of the last >track that > >> > Tronic spun? I know you might know the answer to this > > >> > one Paul, but you where outside when I wad inside > >> > during this >song. Thank you in advance. > >> > Jamie > >> > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > >> > > > hi people... > >> > > > >> > > well, this is my first time of being able >to go to a > >> > > party > >> > > back2back...imagine on friday, and 33 by >120 > >> > > saturday. wow...what a weekend. > >> > > i havent really >gotten much sleep, but i pulled it > >> > > off. > >> > > > >> > > the >journey began with star (j-me) and lance....then > >> > > met up with a >real kool > >> > > kat named mike (monkey)...we got to the venue around > > >> > > 930ish...the venue was > >> > > great...this is prolly one of those >parties that > >> > > require safety precautions > >> > > to go to b/c u >had to cross an active > >> > > railroad...where train pass by 24-7. > >> > > > it was hidden in the cuts...due to ug reasons...i > >> > > dont think i >can specify > >> > > the location on this. anyways ya, it was great, > >> > > > they had an outdoor porch > >> > > thing where people chilled and caught >some fresh > >> > > air....or take a smoke... > >> > > imet andy and leon >from neuroscience creations...the > >> > > other half of the plan > >> > > >in the upcoming event focus. > >> > > > >> > > i realized that they were >enforcing an absolute 100% > >> > > no drug > >> > > policy....anyone who >tried to sell drugs in the > >> > > venue were kicked out. i > >> > > >walked in in the middle of kenneth's > >> > > set...wow....what a sick ass >jungle/dnb > >> > > set...i havent heard this kind of jungle ever since > > >> > > popsikle...and dated way > >> > > back....last yr at metropolis. i >was dancin my as > >> > > off as usual. then, i > >> > > dont kno who this >guy was, but he came up with some > >> > > phat hard nrg/tekno > >> > > >beats...i dug the "BLADE" theme song that came up at > >> > > the end of >his > >> > > set...whoever u are...much props to u. > >> > > >then....anthonymad and ms. valerie > >> > > sparks came up with some >happycore...they spun a > >> > > dope set. i dont kno which > >> > > one of >them played the "magic carpet > >> > > ride....song...(dont kno the title) >but > >> > > that brought back some memories....hah, i was feelin > >> > > >that one i can tell u. > >> > > > >> > > back and forth i went outside and >inside the > >> > > building...i met some new and > >> > > familiar >faces...woody...kenneth...jamie from > >> > > crave...charlie...tracer...dj > > >> > > focus...and a whole bunch of other people that i > >> > > cant >remember their names. > >> > > i got an email from cocoa...that she was >gonna be > >> > > there, but i never saw > >> > > her...it sux, bc shes >leaving to go to LA...and wont > >> > > be back for so long. > >> > > ill >miss ya! as the night passed by, i heard cops > >> > > rolling down and >caused > >> > > the djs t turn the loud ass sound down...for a > >> > > >while...then it was loud > >> > > again. then...one of my favs in > >> > > >psytrance/goatrance/inustrial.....MICHAEL > >> > > LIU...WOW...what a SET! >he broke out with the most > >> > > psy-chadelik tracks out > >> > > there. >woo, what an experience. i loved how he > >> > > ended his set with some >goa > >> > > breaks. way-to-go! it sucks how michael got his > >> > > set >short....pete nice > >> > > came up to do his set bc he couldnt go on > >> > > > earlier...then...a whole other > >> > > round of hardcore/happycore >came up blastin. i was > >> > > waiting for some trance > >> > > so i >chilled my ass off on the porch. when charlie > >> > > finally came on to >close > >> > > the plce....he started the night off with (*^$**#&& > >> > > >*))) sorry cant say what > >> > > it is...or else someone might get mad. >hehe...ya, he > >> > > also played one of my > >> > > favorites...the >living dream and maid of orleans. i > >> > > was feelin it right > >> > > >there. then, we called it a night...went back to > >> > > mike's house and >caught > >> > > some sleep...yawn. > >> > > > >> > > i would just like to >give a big, huge, extravagant, > >> > > enormous, gargantuant, > >> > > way >bigger than a hippo's ass, large thank you to > >> > > star...for takin the >time > >> > > to kick it over the weekend...it was great, i had > >> > > >fun. well, people, thats > >> > > about it....im tired, need sleep, byebye. >=) > >> > > > >> > > -paul > >> > > dj_choco@hotmail.com > >> > > "reality >is for those who lac imagination; use your > >> > > own imagination to make > > >> > > your own reality." words by paul > >> > > > >> > >_________________________________________________________________ > >> > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >> > > http://explorer.msn.com > > >> > > > >> > > --- > >> > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, >send mail > >> > > to majordomo@squinky.org > >> > > with "unsubscribe >frequency-8" in the message body. > >> > > >> > > >> > >__________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > > >> > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >> > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For >additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For >additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > >--- > >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >majordomo@squinky. > org > >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message >body. > > > > > > > > > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, >send mail to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the >message body. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- To >unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional >commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67782-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 23:30:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83488 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 23:30:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83428 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 23:30:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702233004.2089.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jungle Bunny To: angela , "John B." , laraz@hyperreal.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010702222447.22138.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: SRR: Warped Tour & Promoting there?! As soon as my friends and I walked out of the gates, we were all like damn, paper everywhere. We grabbed a few to keep and a few to throw away. That was pretty shitty. So much waste. I figure there is enough trash on SF streets, and flyers certainly aren't helping anything. but... I had a freakin blast at Warped tour. I'm not what I consider a violent person. Sorry though if I pushed any of you out of the way, its kinda unavoidable. I said sorry too. But anyways, I always love that everyone is so smushed that you can hardly move, concerts are where I take out all of my aggressions for the month, or year or whatever. Yeah its not very kind I know. but if everyone you are hitting is hitting you back, i figure its not that bad. My accomplishment for that day was a steal toe to my head and a few elbows to the face, and gut. But I got my licks in too. Yeah so sorry if anyone is mad at me, but oh well. didn't mean to cause rucuss or anything, just telling about my time. --- angela wrote: > Warped Tour was pretty fun! shouldn't have > forgotten the > sunblock though! d'oh!! yeah i'd have to agree > with the > fact that it is a little irritating when people push > you > out of the way on purpose. i'm so used to people > being so > sorry if they even bump into you at a rave it was a > little > hard not to get irritated. but hey it's just that > kinda > crowd. what is sucks about the flyer thing is > that...yeah > there are people that go to raves that attend these > kind of > concerts but the majority of people probably don't > and all > those flyers just end up on the ground. it's just a > mess. > the people that do attend parties probably already > got the > same flyer at a rave they went to. i know they were > promoting area 51 and serenity at BFD too. same > situation...lots of wasted paper. i just think it's > so > awful to waste paper like that and it's not like the > promoters hang around and clean up all the dicarded > flyers. > > angela > --- "John B." wrote: > > Well, in all fairness, there *IS* a certian degree > of > > crossover between the > > punk rock / ska crowd, and the raver crowd. I'm > one of > > them. I was into punk > > and ska YEARS before I started going to parties. > I still > > go to shows too, and > > I was at the warped tour myself (haven't missed > one since > > '96). The two scenes > > are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I've met > a > > handful of others who have > > told me the same... they enjoy both. Notably tho, > it's > > easier to find a raver > > who will admit (to another raver) to also being > into punk > > rock than it is to > > find a punk who will admit (to another punk) to > also > > going to parties. I > > guess, even in SF, there's some degree of > antipithy > > directed from punks towards > > ravers. I don't see why it has to go both ways > tho. > > > > That said, I *DID* think it pretty odd when I was > handed > > Serenity and Area 51 > > flyers at warped tho. But at least it was just > big > > over-commercializd massives > > being promoted and no ugs were being jepordised. > > > > Hey... remember the thread last fall where > everyone came > > up w/ the rule: "if > > the flyer's bigger than your head, it's an > > ultra-commerical massive prolly not > > worth your time"? Damn, but those flyers were not > just > > bigger than my head, > > but almost as big as my torso... and I'm a pretty > big > > guy. I may have to break > > that rule for Area 51 tho... Meat Beat Manifesto > may just > > be too good a draw to > > pass up; even if I do have to go to a massive to > see > > them. > > > > The alternating stages and 30 minute sets? Well, > the > > warped tour has the rule: > > "no band is the headliner". EVERY band gets the > same > > amount of time, and the > > order of appearence is determined randomly at the > > beginning of the day. Yeah, > > it'd be nice to see my favorites get to play > longer (GO > > Less Than Jake!!!), but > > it IS cool to see such a variety. And they DO fit > in a > > ton of bands. > > > > Getting pushed and shoved around in the pit/crowd. > You > > know, that wouldn't > > have bothered ma a bit a couple of years ago. In > fact, I > > used to be all for > > getting to the pit ASAP. Odd tho... now, after a > year of > > going to parties far > > more often than shows, it does kinda bug me now. > I guess > > you get used to > > everybody being nice, it's refreshing, and it's > hard to > > go back to the old push > > and shove your way around crowd. But at least > it's not > > done with any malice... > > that's just the way it is at a punk show. > > > > Oh, but here's a hint on how not to get shoved to > the > > back. Once you're > > forward of the people who just stand there, don't > move a > > muscle, and just watch > > the band, there will be people trying to push in > EVERY > > direction. The trick is > > selective resistance. Do NOT try to push or shove > your > > way where you want to > > go, you'll just waste energy. Not only do you use > energy > > going in the > > direction you WANT to go, but you still have to > resist > > people shoving you the > > OTHER way. What you do, is just resist the people > > shoving you in directions > > you DON'T want to go; and when people start > pushing in a > > direction you *DO* > > want to go, LET THEM push you. That way, not only > to you > > use half the effort > > you'd otherwise use, you have the satisfaction of > not > > actually having been an > > asshole and shoved people around yourself. > > > > All together tho, an awesome weekend... Imagine on > friday > > (damn how did they > > get city hall?!?) and the Warped Tour on > saturday.... > > sweet. I totally just > > zonked out when I got home saturday night... > didn't even > > try to go out.... but > > damn what a sweet weekend. > > > > > > > > cya > > john > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67783-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 23:34:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89197 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 23:34:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89185 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 23:34:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010702233409.15437.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:34:09 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] srr - geary and mason? who the hell is flyering geary and mason? there's area51 posters on 3 or 4 different walls and a few flying around in the street... come on, there's not much of a clientele on gallery road ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67784-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 23:39:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93762 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 23:39:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93747 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 23:39:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 23:39:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 23:39:20.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[37849F70:01C10350] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] To the person who broke into my car at imagine... The same thing happened to my friend Friday night while attending the Wicked party. I guess you really really shouldn't keep anything you wouldn't want stolen in plain view. F**king buster ass thieves. > > From: D.J. Shaman [mailto:shaman@bluegreen.org] > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:48 PM > > To: frequency-8@squinky.org; sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [sfraves] To the person who broke into my car at imagine... > > > > > > Ok lists, like the topic says, this is to the person who broke my > > car window and took my CD's at imagine. > > > > I'm really sorry that you had to go and break my window to get into > > my car. I would have gladly opened the door for you had you taken > > the time to come find me. I do appreciate trying to help me flyer > > by scattering half of them all over the street, but the point is > > to get them into the hands of ravers, not on the bottom of wheels. > > I really hope that you enjoy the 200+ Compact Disks that I have > > collected over the past 2 years. I have gotten much satisfaction > > listening to them, and maybe my music will change your life so you > > don't have to go around breaking car windows and stealing > > CD's anymore. > > I recommend listening to the Deepsky Live CD, the Hybrid bootlegs, > > PVD's 33 RPM, and the Live Radiohead Bootlegs. Please check out > > my demo CD in there too, it's a silver CDR labled "shaman sleep dep" > > Tell me if you like it. > > > > Thank you very much for leaving my jar of marijuana, I don't know > > how I could have coped with the cold ride home (not having a back > > window) without it. > > Can I ask what you were looking for in the glove box? It was open > > when I found it, but nothing was gone. Maybe if you tell me what > > you were looking for, something might be arranged? > > The window was only $75 to fix, and if you'd ever like to take me > > out to dinner or something to make up for that it would be > > appreciated. > > . > > > > I hope you have a nice day. > > Baked, Not Fried, > > Shaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >============================================================================ > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >The information content in the email is of a privileged and confidential >nature and is intended only for use by the intended addresses of original >author of this mail. 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Notice that all of Union Square and surrounding area has Area 51 posters all over as well? I was just there 2 weeks ago and *every* pole had one and even the newstands did too! Kinda funny to me and I just wonder what the average tourist/city goer thinks of it all. The non-raver type I mean. With this level of promotion I'm expecting Lollapalooza level crowd and venue! Is that a good thing? hmmm I had fun back in the day at shoreline, but this is a rave. now back to finishing up this flyer. good to see you at UW knowmadAE. =) ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "knowmad AE" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:34 PM Subject: [sfraves] srr - geary and mason? > who the hell is flyering geary and mason? there's > area51 posters on 3 or 4 different walls and a few > flying around in the street... > come on, there's not much of a clientele on gallery road > > ===== > icq/40221388 > aim/knowmadAE > y!/knowmadAE > "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... > the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." > In Lak'ech > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67786-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 02 23:44:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98324 invoked by uid 1104); 2 Jul 2001 23:44:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98314 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 23:44:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.24.237.252] From: "protocol 7" To: junglebunny1_4_u@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:43:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 23:43:53.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9F28060:01C10350] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: SRR: Warped Tour & Promoting there?! hell yah! it's good to hear someone else out there knows how to get in a mosh pit and cause some damage in the name of fun :) jason >From: Jungle Bunny >To: angela , "John B." , >laraz@hyperreal.org >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: SRR: Warped Tour & Promoting there?! >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:30:04 -0700 (PDT) > >As soon as my friends and I walked out of the gates, >we were all like damn, paper everywhere. We grabbed a >few to keep and a few to throw away. That was pretty >shitty. So much waste. I figure there is enough trash >on SF streets, and flyers certainly aren't helping >anything. but... >I had a freakin blast at Warped tour. I'm not what I >consider a violent person. Sorry though if I pushed >any of you out of the way, its kinda unavoidable. I >said sorry too. But anyways, I always love that >everyone is so smushed that you can hardly move, >concerts are where I take out all of my aggressions >for the month, or year or whatever. Yeah its not very >kind I know. but if everyone you are hitting is >hitting you back, i figure its not that bad. My >accomplishment for that day was a steal toe to my head >and a few elbows to the face, and gut. But I got my >licks in too. Yeah so sorry if anyone is mad at me, >but oh well. >didn't mean to cause rucuss or anything, just telling >about my time. > > > >--- angela wrote: > > Warped Tour was pretty fun! shouldn't have > > forgotten the > > sunblock though! d'oh!! yeah i'd have to agree > > with the > > fact that it is a little irritating when people push > > you > > out of the way on purpose. i'm so used to people > > being so > > sorry if they even bump into you at a rave it was a > > little > > hard not to get irritated. but hey it's just that > > kinda > > crowd. what is sucks about the flyer thing is > > that...yeah > > there are people that go to raves that attend these > > kind of > > concerts but the majority of people probably don't > > and all > > those flyers just end up on the ground. it's just a > > mess. > > the people that do attend parties probably already > > got the > > same flyer at a rave they went to. i know they were > > promoting area 51 and serenity at BFD too. same > > situation...lots of wasted paper. i just think it's > > so > > awful to waste paper like that and it's not like the > > promoters hang around and clean up all the dicarded > > flyers. > > > > angela > > --- "John B." wrote: > > > Well, in all fairness, there *IS* a certian degree > > of > > > crossover between the > > > punk rock / ska crowd, and the raver crowd. I'm > > one of > > > them. I was into punk > > > and ska YEARS before I started going to parties. > > I still > > > go to shows too, and > > > I was at the warped tour myself (haven't missed > > one since > > > '96). The two scenes > > > are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I've met > > a > > > handful of others who have > > > told me the same... they enjoy both. Notably tho, > > it's > > > easier to find a raver > > > who will admit (to another raver) to also being > > into punk > > > rock than it is to > > > find a punk who will admit (to another punk) to > > also > > > going to parties. I > > > guess, even in SF, there's some degree of > > antipithy > > > directed from punks towards > > > ravers. I don't see why it has to go both ways > > tho. > > > > > > That said, I *DID* think it pretty odd when I was > > handed > > > Serenity and Area 51 > > > flyers at warped tho. But at least it was just > > big > > > over-commercializd massives > > > being promoted and no ugs were being jepordised. > > > > > > Hey... remember the thread last fall where > > everyone came > > > up w/ the rule: "if > > > the flyer's bigger than your head, it's an > > > ultra-commerical massive prolly not > > > worth your time"? Damn, but those flyers were not > > just > > > bigger than my head, > > > but almost as big as my torso... and I'm a pretty > > big > > > guy. I may have to break > > > that rule for Area 51 tho... Meat Beat Manifesto > > may just > > > be too good a draw to > > > pass up; even if I do have to go to a massive to > > see > > > them. > > > > > > The alternating stages and 30 minute sets? Well, > > the > > > warped tour has the rule: > > > "no band is the headliner". EVERY band gets the > > same > > > amount of time, and the > > > order of appearence is determined randomly at the > > > beginning of the day. Yeah, > > > it'd be nice to see my favorites get to play > > longer (GO > > > Less Than Jake!!!), but > > > it IS cool to see such a variety. And they DO fit > > in a > > > ton of bands. > > > > > > Getting pushed and shoved around in the pit/crowd. > > You > > > know, that wouldn't > > > have bothered ma a bit a couple of years ago. In > > fact, I > > > used to be all for > > > getting to the pit ASAP. Odd tho... now, after a > > year of > > > going to parties far > > > more often than shows, it does kinda bug me now. > > I guess > > > you get used to > > > everybody being nice, it's refreshing, and it's > > hard to > > > go back to the old push > > > and shove your way around crowd. But at least > > it's not > > > done with any malice... > > > that's just the way it is at a punk show. > > > > > > Oh, but here's a hint on how not to get shoved to > > the > > > back. Once you're > > > forward of the people who just stand there, don't > > move a > > > muscle, and just watch > > > the band, there will be people trying to push in > > EVERY > > > direction. The trick is > > > selective resistance. Do NOT try to push or shove > > your > > > way where you want to > > > go, you'll just waste energy. Not only do you use > > energy > > > going in the > > > direction you WANT to go, but you still have to > > resist > > > people shoving you the > > > OTHER way. What you do, is just resist the people > > > shoving you in directions > > > you DON'T want to go; and when people start > > pushing in a > > > direction you *DO* > > > want to go, LET THEM push you. That way, not only > > to you > > > use half the effort > > > you'd otherwise use, you have the satisfaction of > > not > > > actually having been an > > > asshole and shoved people around yourself. > > > > > > All together tho, an awesome weekend... Imagine on > > friday > > > (damn how did they > > > get city hall?!?) and the Warped Tour on > > saturday.... > > > sweet. I totally just > > > zonked out when I got home saturday night... > > didn't even > > > try to go out.... but > > > damn what a sweet weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > cya > > > john > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >===== >"Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - That's my Bush > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67787-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 00:11:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18064 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 00:11:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18054 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 00:11:08 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:09:52 -0700 From: Maytag To: , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Jungle Soundclash this Tuesday in SF - 18+ (bsp) Tuesday, July 2nd @ Sno-Drift -- the special Holiday Smashdown FORMAT: ============= 8 DJs 30 Minute Sets One Champion PLAYERS: ============= Rinse (BassKru/Compound Recs, SF) Karl K (DSCI4/Koldfront, Philly) Method One (Atlantiq, SF) Kaos (Atlantiq, SF) Megatron (ASR/Mechasoul, SF) Ivry (Compound Recs, SF) Hak (Black Pearl, SJ) Satori One (SF) With special guest MC CHILD (The Top, SF) 2step in the lounge with Dom Some (Forward Thought, SF) INFO: ============= 18+, 21 to drink 1830 3rd Street (take 15 or 22 Muni line) Brand New Sound System Outdoor Smoking Lounge 415.431.4766 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67788-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 00:21:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22420 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 00:21:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22410 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 00:21:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.202.180.18] From: "- shannon -" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:20:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 00:20:42.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[FECD5EA0:01C10355] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long Yes, this is true coolworld has it's shady moments. I hate to break it to you but so does every other promotions crew. The fact of the matter is you can not sit there and talk about how shady one promotions crew is until you have been and witnessed the other side of raves. The side that makes it all happen. I mean do you have any idea why they closed the doors right before the count down? You can not go around calling promoters shady until you know all the facts. And as far as spring and all those parties go, do you have any idea how much work goes into putting together parties like that? Bashing one promotion crew for things that all the promoters are guilty of at one point or another is just not fair. You have to remember that coolworld is a promotion crew that throws massives and massives are mainstream so of course there will be some shadiness involved, i mean that is just a given and you should know that. Plus if you were really tired of all the shadiness involved in throwing raves these days then you would stop paying to get into all the parties. You are complaining about it all and yet contributing to the shadiness at the same time by paying 40 bucks for a party. You do that math. I am not trying to get on anyone's case and i am not trying to say coolworld is never shady, i am just stating the obvious, that when you are dealing with throwing raves ESPECIALLY massives there is bound to be some kind of shadiness involved. shannon >From: Jamie Murray >To: trance fiend , sf raves > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:34:08 -0700 (PDT) > >I do also agree with you on the shadiness of Coolworld >though. I attended a New Years Coolworld event that >happened in 94/95. A roit broke out in front because >they closed the doors right before the count down to >the new year. and yes there where ticket holders out >front waiting to get in. I did however attend Spring >(3/01, in SF)to give them a second chance, and was not >highly impressed. Thought they could have done a lot >better being Coolworld and all. >Jamie >--- trance fiend wrote: > > i've been raving since 1989 and i've yet to ever see > > a promoter like > > coolworld....they make tons of excuses for whatever > > reason and choose not to > > accept responsibility for their own > > negligence....below is a recent exchange > > of e-mails between coolworld staff and myself...i > > thought i'd pass this > > along to the list for anyone else to read that would > > like.....also, in > > regards to the spring party in SF and all the djs > > that didn't play, > > coolworld is claiming that 10+ djs just simply > > didn't quote unquote "show > > up" to play at this party....ironically it was all > > the local djs that were > > cut from this venue.....as far as what coolworld is > > telling everyone, this > > is giving those djs a bad name by not showing up to > > spin....why on earth > > would any promoter, no matter how large or small, > > dog out the djs like > > this?.....my vote is i'll never attend another > > coolworld > > event....ever....i'm the hugest sasha and john > > digweed fan on the planet, > > but not even a sasha and digweed performance is > > enough to get me to attend > > another coolworld event if they ever booked > > them....this is only my opinion, > > but i'll have to say that i'm joining the opinions > > of many on this one.....i > > realize there are peeps out there that like the > > coolworld parties, and by > > all means go if you wanna......personally, i'm just > > really tired of > > promoters that can't even keep something as simple > > as a promise.....just my > > opinion > > > > little matt > > > > Matt wrote: > > > > >ok coolworld, whatever......no shows on the djs at > > spring?....i guess thats > > >why there were only two rooms huh?....you had three > > rooms on the > > >flyer....this is what i was talking about in > > regards to coolworld not > > >keeping their promises.....last year at cyberfest > > you guys promised we > > >could stay at the fairgrounds until 10 a.m., it was > > all over the flyers and > > >every info line you had....i even checked the info > > lines up until the > > >minute i left for the show....you guys kicked > > everyone out right after > > >oakenfold finished his set forcing all the kids out > > into the streets....in > > >regards to the negative reputations, yes, i agree > > the scene does have a bad > > >rep.....but does coolworld really think they don't > > have a bad > > >reputation?....as far as promoters go, you guys > > have one of the worst > > >reputations out there....i'm not dogging out your > > company or anything like > > >that, but just giving you a tip on what's going on > > out here.....i'm fairly > > >new to the area and i've found that every time, > > every single time i mention > > >the coolworld name i get a grimace from the > > individual or some kind of > > >negative statement about your company and all the > > unfulfilled > > >promises.....as far as promoters who give me my > > monies worth, insomniac > > >tops the bill.....every, and i do mean every, > > insomniac party i've been to > > >i've always been more than impressed.....everything > > has always been > > >delivered as promised.....there was once last year > > they had an artist that > > >didn't show at one of the events, so they sent out > > an e-mail to all the > > >rave lists and their e-mail list apologizing to all > > the peeps for what > > >happened.....haven't seen or heard of coolworld > > doing that yet, ever.....my > > >argument?....spring.....still no acceptable answer > > as to what > > >happened......there is no way in the world that any > > promoter anywhere can > > >tell me 10+ djs just "didn't show" as you have > > said.....do i get my monies > > >worth with coolworld?....no.....i'll go join all > > the other kids and hook up > > >with promoters who keep their promises.....good > > luck coolworld, you'll need > > >it.....i won't be seeing you at cyberfest this > > year, no matter who's on the > > >bill.....responding to this e-mail will be useless > > as it will be deleted an > > >not read.....i'm way too busy in my life and career > > to spend any further > > >time in this > > > > > >later > > > > > >matt > > > > > >-----Original Message----- From: info@coolworld.com > > > > >[mailto:info@coolworld.com] Sent: Thursday, June > > 28, 2001 11:33 PM To: Matt > > >Subject: Re Cyberfest > > > > > >Greetings... > > > > > >Thanks for the input we appreciate everyones > > opinions. D12, which is Em's > > >new group was not our first choice but we decided > > to go with it, because > > >there was a large amount of people who requested > > this. Everyone from here > > >to Houston said they wanted to see him on the bill. > > Secondly, he is only > > >acting in some of his lyrics and Em is a raver that > > started out in the > > >underground rave scene on the East Coast performing > > at Raves. If you check > > >the history he is completely into the scene. As > > far as the negative, 99% > > >of our bill is electronic and DJ's and we feel that > > this will just help > > >cross our scene over to the mainstream more. > > > > > >You have to realize that it's not Coolworld that > > has the negative rep., but > > >the scene in general. We pioneered the outdoor > > dance festival concept and > > >have pushing this for 12 years and the media still > > gives us problems!! The > > >govt. is no better, so we try and give the best to > > all of you and what were > > >trying to do is change the face of the scene to a > > more mainstream look in > > >the medias eyes so that stop focusing on drugs. > > Also, by having the > > >biggest artist in the Country on the bill, we will > > be able to open new > > >doors in the industry. Did we need Em and D12 to > > draw people, NO, but we > > >have to open as many doors to Dance Culture and if > > that means sometimes > > >doing things that we would normally not do, then we > > have to make these > > >sacrifices. The show is going to rock, 99% of what > > we promise comes thru. > > >Also, we didn't cancel people at Spring because of > > tix sales...they were no > > >shows and the reason the show only had 4000 people > > is because we promoted > > >it light and only had 1 month. > > > > > >Either way we hope you support us and we appreciate > > your time...at the end > > >of the day, look at every promoter and production > > company and you ask your > > >self who gives you your monies worth! > > > > > >Coolworld > > > > > >Matt wrote: > > > > > > > cyberfest staff, > > i was looking very forward > > to going to cyberfest > > >this year. that is until > you added eminem to the > > line-up. the whole > > >concept of our culture represents > so many > > beautiful things, and above all > > >else PLUR. with that in mind, eminem > in no way, > > fashion, shape or form > > >represents or supports anything within our > > > culture. i really would > > >suggest that coolworld rethink this booking. in my > > > opinion, here's my > > >prediction for what's going to happen at this years > > > > > > > cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the > > bill. this event is going > > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and > > b-boy types that are into > > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are > > going to be a lot of > > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a > > complete and total nightmare. > > >i really do > see this as a grave error in the > > decision making on > > >coolworld's part. i'm > not going to tell you i > > told >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67789-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 00:23:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24540 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 00:23:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24514 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 00:23:38 -0000 Message-ID: <012101c10356$b80cc540$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:18:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0118_01C1031A.FADFF9A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] $30 AREA 51 tickets are going, going, GONE!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C1031A.FADFF9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $30 AREA 51 tickets are going, going, GONE!!!=20 This is the last day or so to get your hands on a discounted AREA 51 = ticket. To get these *special online tix, go right now to either: (they = are going up to $35 very *very soon) www.acteva.com/area51 or thump-radio.com/secure/area51.cfm Here is the rest of the info on this historic event!!! AREA 51 Crop Circles in the Sun THEUNITEDSTATESWESTENDMASSIVE A Universal Unity Technology and Music Festival Saturday - July 21, 2000 Join us as we transform over 300,000 square feet of prime SF real estate into an event called AREA 51. For the last 2 years we have been planning = and building up the anticipation for the first AREA 51 of the new = Millennium! This is it! Promotions are on a grand scale nationwide! Bus shuttles will be = arranged from all over the west coast. World renowned artists and djs will be teleported into San Francisco with the help of our little gray friends. = A full scale interplanetary production which incorporates all of the = dreams of a huge number of Bay Area production companies, will be unlike anything = we have ever experienced before. AREA 51 will land in San Francisco CA on Saturday July 21st 2001 This 12 hour interplanetary gathering will feature: -Six massive themed dance arenas full of intergalactic artwork -Over 50 world class djs, producers, and mc's -The most amazing interactive production to ever be experienced at an = event of this nature -Subconscious ultra-violet inversion -Multi-color dual hyper-velocity proton beams -Full-spectrum protoplasmic tacyon fields -Subsonic servo drivers -Triple-radiant robotic lighting -Extra-terrestrial illumination -Mind altering astral projections -Hyperactive digital imagery -Space Divas -Giant alien visitors whom you only see, if you believe -Friendly security team featuring the MIB -21+ full service alien space port -All aliens 18 lt-yrs or older are welcome! LIVE365 WILL BE FACILITATING REAL-TIME SATELLITE STREAMING AROUND THE = PLANET EARTH. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL IN SAN = FRANCISCO'S HISTORY TO EVER BE BROADCAST LIVE ON THE INTERNET!!! Join the masses of the global dance community and prepare yourself for = the best AREA 51 of all time! CHECK THIS AWESOME LINE UP! ALIEN NATION HOUSE INVASION - (House) MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO (live pa) - For this special one off performance, Meat Beat will be putting = together their first performance in over 2&1/2 years. This is an EXCLUSIVE WEST = COAST performance and will not appear in any other city. DAVE ANGEL - London, UK - Rotation Records Proclaimed as "One of the major Techno talents in Britain" by Echoes Magazine, Dave Angel's work has created a massive buzz in the clubs and among his loyal fans to this day. Dave continues to create music that is regarded as some of the bravest and influential dance music that the UK = has produced. DJ IRENE - LA - UC Music This world class dj and producer has a residency at the "Arena" = nightclub in LA. This event marks the beginning of her US tour which is a cd release = for "Audio Underground" on UC Music. HATIRAS - Toronto, Canada - Liquid Adrenaline, IHR, Defected Hatiras has become notorious for his slammin' sets that largely = feature unreleased material and attract the attention of DJs abound curious to = hear the sounds of the future. Greg Sandler - Harmony Area 51 marks the release of Greg Sandler's latest release on = KNOWLEDGE RECORDS titled, "Gimme a beat." Angel Alanis - LA - A Squared, Catalyst, Champion Sound Joey Mazzola - Soulmatic and Rocker music - With residencies @ Recycle = and Spundae, Joey is one of the hottest djs in SF. David Garcia - With the launch of his new label (Soulmatic) and his = current release "Robofunk" on Soul Phusion being licensed on Moonshine, = David is becoming an extreemly sough after dj/producer.=20 Ron Reeser - (aka dj Rktech) - Clockwork -This guy just threw the = greatest event in SF history! METROPOLIS @ 3 COM PARK! DREAMLAND - (Trance)**Featuring the UK INVASION SUN PROJECT <--- JUST ADDED!!! More info to come BABY DOC & SJ (live pa) London, UK - Arriba Records, React Baby Doc is now widely recognized as the Godfather of the UK hard house sound and together with S-J they are achieving cult status around the = world with their unique live show. BINARY FINARY (live pa) London, UK - Positiva Records, Bonzai Records, = Yelo Records The creators of the #1 dance track of the decade, "1998." Futuristic synthesizers and magic is what creates Binary's unique sound. Free = yourself from genre defining boundaries - this is Binary Finary music, set to = rocket us into the next millennium. TINRIB (live pa) London, UK - Tinrib Records, the UK's #1 Hard House = label Captain Tinrib is not just a name on a record. His live performances = provide the perfect chance for him to combine the two things in life he loves = the mo st - his music & partying! He is certainly a unique individual with a = talent and personality that sets him apart from the rest. 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INTOXICATION STATION - (21+ Beer Garden) - Featuring the BEST OF SF HOUSE Simon Tony David Colman and Sensei (live pa) Richard and Melanie Summer Hayes Spun and Rick Preston Happy Kid Marty Masonic (thump) Markie (Wicked) Dj Huey Visit www.universalunity.com www.thump-radio.com/area51 www.harmonyproductions.com for all the up to date event info! or call (408)486-9591 or (415)289-6788 For vending or industry information please contact industry@universalunity.com Online presale flight passes are on sale right now!!! 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Ben Holt-Stockton 209-474-9009 ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C1031A.FADFF9A0-- From sfraves-return-67790-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 00:27:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27452 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 00:27:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27428 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 00:27:33 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4111CB.6632505A@home.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:29:00 -0700 From: "lyds@home.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lara CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: Warped Tour & Promoting there?! That's exactly how I felt after BFD earlier in June... I understand that Subsonic had a stage going and all, but shit! I really realized how jaded I was when I walked in and saw the stage and thought, "Damn ravers." It just didn't seem right that there were all these kids running and bouncing around all raved up at a fucking rock concert. And then I was bombarded with fliers from massives, and I don't even look like a "raver" so I can only imagine how pissed off some of those anti-rave punks may have been. Those promoters are very relentless... I seriously had to push the fliers away and say NO! I managed to walk out with only one flier and it wasn't even for a rave- I felt proud:) Another thing that annoyed me was that there was actually like 20 people rolling at the subsonic stage... Obviously mostly some first timers or whatever, but it just seems extra lame to me. This one girl was getting a light show (yep, they even brought glowsticks and pacifiers!), and there was a crowd of people gathered around watching her like, "Oh, so this is what ecstasy does to you!" Greeeaaatt... Peace, Lydia Lara wrote: > Hey guys what's up? > So my bf and I took the long haul on the BART and walking to the Warped > Tour this past weekend, which was OK. Lame that each band only got to play > a HALF HOUR and you had to walk back and forth > between stages but I guess that's the only way you can get through so many > acts in 6-7 hours, right? > Kool Keith was BUMPIN - and that was the only time you could get > up close to a band without getting stomped on which was a nice break. > And I adore 311 not in a teeny-bopper-they're-so-cute-way, but in a > they're-so-fuckin-badass-even-before-they-went-commercial way. They only > played a half hour, during which I got shoved from being right in the > front, to about 200 yards back.. fuckers.. Bouncing Souls and Pennywise > were fucking cool too. > > But why am I writing to SFR about the WARPED TOUR?! Because, in a midst of > underage teeny-boppers and punks with bad dye-jobs outside, AND inside, > the Piers were absolutely > RIDDLED with Cyberfest, Area51 and Serenity flyers. WTF?! Might I ask? Why > are people promoting parties at an extremely commercialized PUNK > event(Target was sponsoring this year too, whee!)? The logic is > completely beyond me.. Not that I have no love for the punk scene, but do > you see people passing around flyers for the Cliftons' or Rancid's next > gig at parties? Rarely, but most likely NOT. ANd besides I'm not too too > concerned about > mohawked kids showing up at raves, I'll take them over the > wanna-be-badass-shady-motherfuckers out there any day. However, I saw > my fair share of police officers @ the Warped Tour and one of them > happened to be holding a few Serenity flyers... "INnnnnnnteresting..." is > the look he had on his face. I understand it takes huge draw to throw a > huge party.. But to be careless with promoting is BULLSHIT. Either these > promoters don't care WHO shows up at their parties, or they don't care WHO > they have flyering for them. Flyers are a HUGE WASTE if all they do is get > mashed up in the moshpit and become flying particles in the air along with > all the smoke. And quite honestly, I didn't see a single person handing > them out, I just saw them all over the ground, in PILES. As if someone > just threw them on the floor to be rid of them. Yeah I know that happens > at massives ALL THE TIME but come on, the fucking WARPED TOUR? > That's just as bad as leaving a stack at the local "cool" mall hangout. > Get a grip. > Lara > (not in a good mood because i'm home sick, i'll stop bitching now, it just > really aggravated me) > > ---- > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > two." > -- Erich Fromm > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > -- Oscar Wilde > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67791-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 00:29:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29119 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 00:29:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29109 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 00:29:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.20.56.38] From: "Macadio G." To: kandeedreamz@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:28:55 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 00:28:55.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[24D65970:01C10357] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long With Throwing Big parties Yes there are countless things that can go wrong we as Party people/Ravers know this. But to say "Yea since I throw massives I can be shady and Charge you $50 for my party and $20 to park cause after all this party is costing me $250,000 to throw but I stand to make about $500,000 gross sales". Just cause your party is big and expensive does not validate inapropiate behavior. So can things go wrong yes, does that give you right to do something crooked or underhanded NO. Im not going to get into the coolworld thread but simply pointing out that YOU shannon are saying it is ok to be shady since the party is big and expensive. Macadio >From: "- shannon -" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:20:42 -0700 > >Yes, this is true coolworld has it's shady moments. I hate to break it to >you but so does every other promotions crew. The fact of the matter is you >can not sit there and talk about how shady one promotions crew is until you >have been and witnessed the other side of raves. The side that makes it all >happen. >I mean do you have any idea why they closed the doors right before the >count >down? You can not go around calling promoters shady until you know all the >facts. And as far as spring and all those parties go, do you have any idea >how much work goes into putting together parties like that? Bashing one >promotion crew for things that all the promoters are guilty of at one point >or another is just not fair. >You have to remember that coolworld is a promotion crew that throws >massives >and massives are mainstream so of course there will be some shadiness >involved, i mean that is just a given and you should know that. Plus if you >were really tired of all the shadiness involved in throwing raves these >days >then you would stop paying to get into all the parties. You are complaining >about it all and yet contributing to the shadiness at the same time by >paying 40 bucks for a party. You do that math. I am not trying to get on >anyone's case and i am not trying to say coolworld is never shady, i am >just >stating the obvious, that when you are dealing with throwing raves >ESPECIALLY massives there is bound to be some kind of shadiness involved. >shannon > > >>From: Jamie Murray >>To: trance fiend , sf raves >> >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long >>Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:34:08 -0700 (PDT) >> >>I do also agree with you on the shadiness of Coolworld >>though. I attended a New Years Coolworld event that >>happened in 94/95. A roit broke out in front because >>they closed the doors right before the count down to >>the new year. and yes there where ticket holders out >>front waiting to get in. I did however attend Spring >>(3/01, in SF)to give them a second chance, and was not >>highly impressed. Thought they could have done a lot >>better being Coolworld and all. >>Jamie >>--- trance fiend wrote: >> > i've been raving since 1989 and i've yet to ever see >> > a promoter like >> > coolworld....they make tons of excuses for whatever >> > reason and choose not to >> > accept responsibility for their own >> > negligence....below is a recent exchange >> > of e-mails between coolworld staff and myself...i >> > thought i'd pass this >> > along to the list for anyone else to read that would >> > like.....also, in >> > regards to the spring party in SF and all the djs >> > that didn't play, >> > coolworld is claiming that 10+ djs just simply >> > didn't quote unquote "show >> > up" to play at this party....ironically it was all >> > the local djs that were >> > cut from this venue.....as far as what coolworld is >> > telling everyone, this >> > is giving those djs a bad name by not showing up to >> > spin....why on earth >> > would any promoter, no matter how large or small, >> > dog out the djs like >> > this?.....my vote is i'll never attend another >> > coolworld >> > event....ever....i'm the hugest sasha and john >> > digweed fan on the planet, >> > but not even a sasha and digweed performance is >> > enough to get me to attend >> > another coolworld event if they ever booked >> > them....this is only my opinion, >> > but i'll have to say that i'm joining the opinions >> > of many on this one.....i >> > realize there are peeps out there that like the >> > coolworld parties, and by >> > all means go if you wanna......personally, i'm just >> > really tired of >> > promoters that can't even keep something as simple >> > as a promise.....just my >> > opinion >> > >> > little matt >> > >> > Matt wrote: >> > >> > >ok coolworld, whatever......no shows on the djs at >> > spring?....i guess thats >> > >why there were only two rooms huh?....you had three >> > rooms on the >> > >flyer....this is what i was talking about in >> > regards to coolworld not >> > >keeping their promises.....last year at cyberfest >> > you guys promised we >> > >could stay at the fairgrounds until 10 a.m., it was >> > all over the flyers and >> > >every info line you had....i even checked the info >> > lines up until the >> > >minute i left for the show....you guys kicked >> > everyone out right after >> > >oakenfold finished his set forcing all the kids out >> > into the streets....in >> > >regards to the negative reputations, yes, i agree >> > the scene does have a bad >> > >rep.....but does coolworld really think they don't >> > have a bad >> > >reputation?....as far as promoters go, you guys >> > have one of the worst >> > >reputations out there....i'm not dogging out your >> > company or anything like >> > >that, but just giving you a tip on what's going on >> > out here.....i'm fairly >> > >new to the area and i've found that every time, >> > every single time i mention >> > >the coolworld name i get a grimace from the >> > individual or some kind of >> > >negative statement about your company and all the >> > unfulfilled >> > >promises.....as far as promoters who give me my >> > monies worth, insomniac >> > >tops the bill.....every, and i do mean every, >> > insomniac party i've been to >> > >i've always been more than impressed.....everything >> > has always been >> > >delivered as promised.....there was once last year >> > they had an artist that >> > >didn't show at one of the events, so they sent out >> > an e-mail to all the >> > >rave lists and their e-mail list apologizing to all >> > the peeps for what >> > >happened.....haven't seen or heard of coolworld >> > doing that yet, ever.....my >> > >argument?....spring.....still no acceptable answer >> > as to what >> > >happened......there is no way in the world that any >> > promoter anywhere can >> > >tell me 10+ djs just "didn't show" as you have >> > said.....do i get my monies >> > >worth with coolworld?....no.....i'll go join all >> > the other kids and hook up >> > >with promoters who keep their promises.....good >> > luck coolworld, you'll need >> > >it.....i won't be seeing you at cyberfest this >> > year, no matter who's on the >> > >bill.....responding to this e-mail will be useless >> > as it will be deleted an >> > >not read.....i'm way too busy in my life and career >> > to spend any further >> > >time in this >> > > >> > >later >> > > >> > >matt >> > > >> > >-----Original Message----- From: info@coolworld.com >> > >> > >[mailto:info@coolworld.com] Sent: Thursday, June >> > 28, 2001 11:33 PM To: Matt >> > >Subject: Re Cyberfest >> > > >> > >Greetings... >> > > >> > >Thanks for the input we appreciate everyones >> > opinions. D12, which is Em's >> > >new group was not our first choice but we decided >> > to go with it, because >> > >there was a large amount of people who requested >> > this. Everyone from here >> > >to Houston said they wanted to see him on the bill. >> > Secondly, he is only >> > >acting in some of his lyrics and Em is a raver that >> > started out in the >> > >underground rave scene on the East Coast performing >> > at Raves. If you check >> > >the history he is completely into the scene. As >> > far as the negative, 99% >> > >of our bill is electronic and DJ's and we feel that >> > this will just help >> > >cross our scene over to the mainstream more. >> > > >> > >You have to realize that it's not Coolworld that >> > has the negative rep., but >> > >the scene in general. We pioneered the outdoor >> > dance festival concept and >> > >have pushing this for 12 years and the media still >> > gives us problems!! The >> > >govt. is no better, so we try and give the best to >> > all of you and what were >> > >trying to do is change the face of the scene to a >> > more mainstream look in >> > >the medias eyes so that stop focusing on drugs. >> > Also, by having the >> > >biggest artist in the Country on the bill, we will >> > be able to open new >> > >doors in the industry. Did we need Em and D12 to >> > draw people, NO, but we >> > >have to open as many doors to Dance Culture and if >> > that means sometimes >> > >doing things that we would normally not do, then we >> > have to make these >> > >sacrifices. The show is going to rock, 99% of what >> > we promise comes thru. >> > >Also, we didn't cancel people at Spring because of >> > tix sales...they were no >> > >shows and the reason the show only had 4000 people >> > is because we promoted >> > >it light and only had 1 month. >> > > >> > >Either way we hope you support us and we appreciate >> > your time...at the end >> > >of the day, look at every promoter and production >> > company and you ask your >> > >self who gives you your monies worth! >> > > >> > >Coolworld >> > > >> > >Matt wrote: >> > > >> > > > cyberfest staff, > > i was looking very forward >> > to going to cyberfest >> > >this year. that is until > you added eminem to the >> > line-up. the whole >> > >concept of our culture represents > so many >> > beautiful things, and above all >> > >else PLUR. with that in mind, eminem > in no way, >> > fashion, shape or form >> > >represents or supports anything within our > >> > culture. i really would >> > >suggest that coolworld rethink this booking. in my >> > > opinion, here's my >> > >prediction for what's going to happen at this years >> > > >> > > > cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the >> > bill. this event is going >> > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and >> > b-boy types that are into >> > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are >> > going to be a lot of >> > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a >> > complete and total nightmare. >> > >i really do > see this as a grave error in the >> > decision making on >> > >coolworld's part. i'm > not going to tell you i >> > told >>=== message truncated === >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >>http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67792-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 00:42:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38052 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 00:42:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38036 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 00:42:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703004220.63862.qmail@web9503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Princess Arielle To: shaman@bluegreen.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] To the person who broke into my car at imagine... Hi Shaman. That really sucks you lost all your CD's. That happened to my ex's brother at the Disneyland parking lot and he too lost his whole CD collection. I'm just gonna give some quick advice so this will less likely happen to people. It's not really advice but a dose of common sense. Since I've been driving, I've never had my car broken into. If anyone does break into my car, all they're getting is a few tapes, tissue paper box and a few maps. The thief is gonna hardly get anything worth shit from me. My primary suggestion is to not carry valuables in your car and don't leave garbage in your car as well. If you carry some tapes and CD's, only carry a few to listen to. Store everything in a discreet place so no one can see it. You don't need to carry your whole music collection, clothes, change, etc in your car. Leaving your stuff out in your car for people to see is an open invitation for someone to snag it. I make my friends who ride with me to not leave any valuables and garbage visible when we leave my car. Plus I really hate garbage/clutter in my car. take care, ariel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67793-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 01:01:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50705 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 01:01:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50692 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 01:01:17 -0000 From: Meglove02@aol.com Message-ID: <16.ebf6d6d.28727339@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:00:41 EDT To: BayAreaHappycore@yahoogroups.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: [BayAreaHappycore] Imagine!!! wow! i cant even to beginning! words cant explain how AMAZING this party was for me, from the location,the DJ's, crazy cosutmes and seeing people i havent seen in monthes! i think i was more excited then most especially when the "plur" dancers came out!!!! Pepples u did an amazing job with the costumes and i had a great time watching and dancing with you guys through simon apex vs anthony mad! the perfect ending to a perfect nite, with the last song, glow sticks flying and being with the best of friends...!!! like i said words cant explain...Ive only been partyin for a year, but this was the best party ive ever been to..thank you, joel, dennis and everyone who helped to make this party amazing! p-NuT --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67794-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 01:33:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65130 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 01:33:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65120 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 01:33:55 -0000 Message-ID: <01af01c10360$a0d5e280$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: "knowmad AE" Cc: References: <20010702233409.15437.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:36:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 was Re: [sfraves] srr - geary and mason? That is greatest compliment our crew has ever received! Thank you! (at least I know who is doing their job) ; ) Greg Sandler ----- Original Message ----- From: "knowmad AE" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:34 PM Subject: [sfraves] srr - geary and mason? > who the hell is flyering geary and mason? there's > area51 posters on 3 or 4 different walls and a few > flying around in the street... > come on, there's not much of a clientele on gallery road > > ===== > icq/40221388 > aim/knowmadAE > y!/knowmadAE > "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... > the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." > In Lak'ech > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67795-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 01:36:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66605 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 01:36:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66595 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 01:36:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.202.180.18] From: "- shannon -" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:35:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 01:35:34.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[74140F60:01C10360] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long That is not what i am saying. My point is you can not go around calling certain promotional crews shady when others are doing the exact same things. And also i was trying to say you can not call a promoter shady when you have no idea what is going on, on the inside. shannon >From: "Macadio G." >To: kandeedreamz@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:28:55 > >With Throwing Big parties Yes there are countless things that can go wrong >we as Party people/Ravers know this. But to say "Yea since I throw massives >I can be shady and Charge you $50 for my party and $20 to park cause after >all this party is costing me $250,000 to throw but I stand to make about >$500,000 gross sales". Just cause your party is big and expensive does not >validate inapropiate behavior. So can things go wrong yes, does that give >you right to do something crooked or underhanded NO. > >Im not going to get into the coolworld thread but simply pointing out that >YOU shannon are saying it is ok to be shady since the party is big and >expensive. > >Macadio > > >>From: "- shannon -" >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long >>Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:20:42 -0700 >> >>Yes, this is true coolworld has it's shady moments. I hate to break it to >>you but so does every other promotions crew. The fact of the matter is you >>can not sit there and talk about how shady one promotions crew is until >>you >>have been and witnessed the other side of raves. The side that makes it >>all >>happen. >>I mean do you have any idea why they closed the doors right before the >>count >>down? You can not go around calling promoters shady until you know all the >>facts. And as far as spring and all those parties go, do you have any idea >>how much work goes into putting together parties like that? Bashing one >>promotion crew for things that all the promoters are guilty of at one >>point >>or another is just not fair. >>You have to remember that coolworld is a promotion crew that throws >>massives >>and massives are mainstream so of course there will be some shadiness >>involved, i mean that is just a given and you should know that. Plus if >>you >>were really tired of all the shadiness involved in throwing raves these >>days >>then you would stop paying to get into all the parties. You are >>complaining >>about it all and yet contributing to the shadiness at the same time by >>paying 40 bucks for a party. You do that math. I am not trying to get on >>anyone's case and i am not trying to say coolworld is never shady, i am >>just >>stating the obvious, that when you are dealing with throwing raves >>ESPECIALLY massives there is bound to be some kind of shadiness involved. >>shannon >> >> >>>From: Jamie Murray >>>To: trance fiend , sf raves >>> >>>Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long >>>Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:34:08 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>I do also agree with you on the shadiness of Coolworld >>>though. I attended a New Years Coolworld event that >>>happened in 94/95. A roit broke out in front because >>>they closed the doors right before the count down to >>>the new year. and yes there where ticket holders out >>>front waiting to get in. I did however attend Spring >>>(3/01, in SF)to give them a second chance, and was not >>>highly impressed. Thought they could have done a lot >>>better being Coolworld and all. >>>Jamie >>>--- trance fiend wrote: >>> > i've been raving since 1989 and i've yet to ever see >>> > a promoter like >>> > coolworld....they make tons of excuses for whatever >>> > reason and choose not to >>> > accept responsibility for their own >>> > negligence....below is a recent exchange >>> > of e-mails between coolworld staff and myself...i >>> > thought i'd pass this >>> > along to the list for anyone else to read that would >>> > like.....also, in >>> > regards to the spring party in SF and all the djs >>> > that didn't play, >>> > coolworld is claiming that 10+ djs just simply >>> > didn't quote unquote "show >>> > up" to play at this party....ironically it was all >>> > the local djs that were >>> > cut from this venue.....as far as what coolworld is >>> > telling everyone, this >>> > is giving those djs a bad name by not showing up to >>> > spin....why on earth >>> > would any promoter, no matter how large or small, >>> > dog out the djs like >>> > this?.....my vote is i'll never attend another >>> > coolworld >>> > event....ever....i'm the hugest sasha and john >>> > digweed fan on the planet, >>> > but not even a sasha and digweed performance is >>> > enough to get me to attend >>> > another coolworld event if they ever booked >>> > them....this is only my opinion, >>> > but i'll have to say that i'm joining the opinions >>> > of many on this one.....i >>> > realize there are peeps out there that like the >>> > coolworld parties, and by >>> > all means go if you wanna......personally, i'm just >>> > really tired of >>> > promoters that can't even keep something as simple >>> > as a promise.....just my >>> > opinion >>> > >>> > little matt >>> > >>> > Matt wrote: >>> > >>> > >ok coolworld, whatever......no shows on the djs at >>> > spring?....i guess thats >>> > >why there were only two rooms huh?....you had three >>> > rooms on the >>> > >flyer....this is what i was talking about in >>> > regards to coolworld not >>> > >keeping their promises.....last year at cyberfest >>> > you guys promised we >>> > >could stay at the fairgrounds until 10 a.m., it was >>> > all over the flyers and >>> > >every info line you had....i even checked the info >>> > lines up until the >>> > >minute i left for the show....you guys kicked >>> > everyone out right after >>> > >oakenfold finished his set forcing all the kids out >>> > into the streets....in >>> > >regards to the negative reputations, yes, i agree >>> > the scene does have a bad >>> > >rep.....but does coolworld really think they don't >>> > have a bad >>> > >reputation?....as far as promoters go, you guys >>> > have one of the worst >>> > >reputations out there....i'm not dogging out your >>> > company or anything like >>> > >that, but just giving you a tip on what's going on >>> > out here.....i'm fairly >>> > >new to the area and i've found that every time, >>> > every single time i mention >>> > >the coolworld name i get a grimace from the >>> > individual or some kind of >>> > >negative statement about your company and all the >>> > unfulfilled >>> > >promises.....as far as promoters who give me my >>> > monies worth, insomniac >>> > >tops the bill.....every, and i do mean every, >>> > insomniac party i've been to >>> > >i've always been more than impressed.....everything >>> > has always been >>> > >delivered as promised.....there was once last year >>> > they had an artist that >>> > >didn't show at one of the events, so they sent out >>> > an e-mail to all the >>> > >rave lists and their e-mail list apologizing to all >>> > the peeps for what >>> > >happened.....haven't seen or heard of coolworld >>> > doing that yet, ever.....my >>> > >argument?....spring.....still no acceptable answer >>> > as to what >>> > >happened......there is no way in the world that any >>> > promoter anywhere can >>> > >tell me 10+ djs just "didn't show" as you have >>> > said.....do i get my monies >>> > >worth with coolworld?....no.....i'll go join all >>> > the other kids and hook up >>> > >with promoters who keep their promises.....good >>> > luck coolworld, you'll need >>> > >it.....i won't be seeing you at cyberfest this >>> > year, no matter who's on the >>> > >bill.....responding to this e-mail will be useless >>> > as it will be deleted an >>> > >not read.....i'm way too busy in my life and career >>> > to spend any further >>> > >time in this >>> > > >>> > >later >>> > > >>> > >matt >>> > > >>> > >-----Original Message----- From: info@coolworld.com >>> > >>> > >[mailto:info@coolworld.com] Sent: Thursday, June >>> > 28, 2001 11:33 PM To: Matt >>> > >Subject: Re Cyberfest >>> > > >>> > >Greetings... >>> > > >>> > >Thanks for the input we appreciate everyones >>> > opinions. D12, which is Em's >>> > >new group was not our first choice but we decided >>> > to go with it, because >>> > >there was a large amount of people who requested >>> > this. Everyone from here >>> > >to Houston said they wanted to see him on the bill. >>> > Secondly, he is only >>> > >acting in some of his lyrics and Em is a raver that >>> > started out in the >>> > >underground rave scene on the East Coast performing >>> > at Raves. If you check >>> > >the history he is completely into the scene. As >>> > far as the negative, 99% >>> > >of our bill is electronic and DJ's and we feel that >>> > this will just help >>> > >cross our scene over to the mainstream more. >>> > > >>> > >You have to realize that it's not Coolworld that >>> > has the negative rep., but >>> > >the scene in general. We pioneered the outdoor >>> > dance festival concept and >>> > >have pushing this for 12 years and the media still >>> > gives us problems!! The >>> > >govt. is no better, so we try and give the best to >>> > all of you and what were >>> > >trying to do is change the face of the scene to a >>> > more mainstream look in >>> > >the medias eyes so that stop focusing on drugs. >>> > Also, by having the >>> > >biggest artist in the Country on the bill, we will >>> > be able to open new >>> > >doors in the industry. Did we need Em and D12 to >>> > draw people, NO, but we >>> > >have to open as many doors to Dance Culture and if >>> > that means sometimes >>> > >doing things that we would normally not do, then we >>> > have to make these >>> > >sacrifices. The show is going to rock, 99% of what >>> > we promise comes thru. >>> > >Also, we didn't cancel people at Spring because of >>> > tix sales...they were no >>> > >shows and the reason the show only had 4000 people >>> > is because we promoted >>> > >it light and only had 1 month. >>> > > >>> > >Either way we hope you support us and we appreciate >>> > your time...at the end >>> > >of the day, look at every promoter and production >>> > company and you ask your >>> > >self who gives you your monies worth! >>> > > >>> > >Coolworld >>> > > >>> > >Matt wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > cyberfest staff, > > i was looking very forward >>> > to going to cyberfest >>> > >this year. that is until > you added eminem to the >>> > line-up. the whole >>> > >concept of our culture represents > so many >>> > beautiful things, and above all >>> > >else PLUR. with that in mind, eminem > in no way, >>> > fashion, shape or form >>> > >represents or supports anything within our > >>> > culture. i really would >>> > >suggest that coolworld rethink this booking. in my >>> > > opinion, here's my >>> > >prediction for what's going to happen at this years >>> > > >>> > > > cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the >>> > bill. this event is going >>> > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and >>> > b-boy types that are into >>> > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are >>> > going to be a lot of >>> > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a >>> > complete and total nightmare. >>> > >i really do > see this as a grave error in the >>> > decision making on >>> > >coolworld's part. i'm > not going to tell you i >>> > told >>>=== message truncated === >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >>>http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67796-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 01:38:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68275 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 01:38:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68265 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 01:38:06 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <002101c10360$98961180$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "tina pruett" , "trance fiend" , References: <8129139.994095949908.JavaMail.MoonChyId@gomailjtp02> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:36:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long yah but i dont understand what he was referring to when he said that more than 10 bay area djs were cut from the spring lineup... no one was cut... L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "tina pruett" To: "E S M O" ; "trance fiend" ; Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long -----Original Message----- From: "E S M O" >if u really dislike coolworld then that is your opinion and you are >definately entitled to it... >but i dont see why u need to post to mailing lists because u werent >completely satisfied with a party.. >your reasons for your dislike for coolworld are pretty weak... >maybe u just need 2 further clarify... >we do take imput and suggestions >L8 this is a rave mailing list, where people subscribed discuss the scene in their area, and sometimes other areas... if someone posts about a promoter in the area, it is definately list related. perhaps he wanted to vent, share frustrations, perhaps he was looking for someone to agree with him, or maybe even to make people agree with him... as long as it doesn't become a name-calling, mudslinging full on extraveganza of drama, why shouldn't he post it to the list? if you don't like what he said you are free to do exactly what you did and respond... but if you are open to imput and suggestions, then you should be okay with some public critisim too. a good person is willing to admit their faults and a good promoter should as well. as long as it doesn't become gossip and bad information, you should welcome the discussion, especially since your name is getting a little free publicity... bad publicity is better than none at all, and this doesn't cost you a bunch of money for big glossy fliers... you're getting your name out there without spending a dime... a good businessman should recognize that... love and hugs and kisses, tina ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67797-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 01:57:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84560 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 01:57:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84550 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 01:57:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [32.100.70.155] From: "Deeze williams" To: shaman@bluegreen.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:56:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 01:56:48.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B5D8060:01C10363] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] To the person who broke into my car at imagine... Hmmmm just wondering, and I'm not trying to talk shit or START any shit so don't respond back to me by yelling and shit. Just why is it that every time something bad happens to one of our cars or whatever. We come to the list post that our shit that has been stolen broken into ect. Like you think that person is one one of these list that did it. Like DJ D's lil mishapp which does SUCK. If the person is on this list or any other one. I thought we were all "true ravers" I hate that term. If we are we would have some to of plur or whatever you call it left in us to not do stupid SHADY ASS SHIT. Like that to other peoples cars. If we can afford to go to parties ever weekend I don't think you'd need to break into someones car steal CDs and leave the GANJA.. Shit if you found ganja you better damn well take that shit and smoke it, and leave the CDs ecspecially if its a whole jar. I mean damn you love takings Tapes DJ Ds Vynil and now CDs WTF will we come to? Kent Long live the Sativa! >From: "D.J. Shaman" >Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org >To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] To the person who broke into my car at imagine... >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:48:01 -0700 > >Ok lists, like the topic says, this is to the person who broke my >car window and took my CD's at imagine. > >I'm really sorry that you had to go and break my window to get into >my car. I would have gladly opened the door for you had you taken >the time to come find me. I do appreciate trying to help me flyer >by scattering half of them all over the street, but the point is >to get them into the hands of ravers, not on the bottom of wheels. >I really hope that you enjoy the 200+ Compact Disks that I have >collected over the past 2 years. I have gotten much satisfaction >listening to them, and maybe my music will change your life so you >don't have to go around breaking car windows and stealing CD's anymore. >I recommend listening to the Deepsky Live CD, the Hybrid bootlegs, >PVD's 33 RPM, and the Live Radiohead Bootlegs. Please check out >my demo CD in there too, it's a silver CDR labled "shaman sleep dep" >Tell me if you like it. > >Thank you very much for leaving my jar of marijuana, I don't know >how I could have coped with the cold ride home (not having a back >window) without it. >Can I ask what you were looking for in the glove box? It was open >when I found it, but nothing was gone. Maybe if you tell me what >you were looking for, something might be arranged? >The window was only $75 to fix, and if you'd ever like to take me >out to dinner or something to make up for that it would be appreciated. >. > >I hope you have a nice day. >Baked, Not Fried, >Shaman > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67798-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 01:58:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85998 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 01:58:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85988 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 01:58:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.C." To: - shannon - cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010702185754.H15546-100000@kzsu.stanford.edu> X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long On 2 July 2001, - shannon - wrote: > And also i was trying to say you can not call a promoter shady when you have > no idea what is going on, on the inside. Then please enlighten us as to what's going on "on the inside" that makes shadyness ok. > shannon > -- "An Epiphany of Sound" - 90.1 FM Thursdays from 9AM-Noon Pacific. (Also on the web at http://realaudio.stanford.edu/). Playlists and humor list archives at http://www-kzsu.stanford.edu/~dougm "Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of KZSU Radio or Stanford University." (or words to that effect.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67799-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 02:05:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99496 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 02:05:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99486 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 02:05:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.202.180.18] From: "- shannon -" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:04:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 02:04:58.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FA40AB0:01C10364] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long If you were listening i never said shadyness was ok. And give it a rest guys. Everyone is shady at one point. But that does not mean its ok. I am just simply saying that it happens to everyone at one time or another. >From: "J.C." >To: - shannon - >CC: >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:58:40 -0700 (PDT) > >On 2 July 2001, - shannon - wrote: > > > And also i was trying to say you can not call a promoter shady when you >have > > no idea what is going on, on the inside. > >Then please enlighten us as to what's going on "on the inside" that >makes shadyness ok. > > > shannon > > > >-- >"An Epiphany of Sound" - 90.1 FM Thursdays from 9AM-Noon Pacific. >(Also on the web at http://realaudio.stanford.edu/). Playlists >and humor list archives at http://www-kzsu.stanford.edu/~dougm > >"Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of >KZSU Radio or Stanford University." (or words to that effect.) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67800-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 02:19:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9588 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 02:19:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9578 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 02:19:13 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.109.213.227] From: "s 21266" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 02:18:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 02:18:43.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B5F1160:01C10366] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Phoenix Festival Hi all, Does anyone still remember me? For those who do and are interested, I am now living in Seattle, working at Groovetech. (http://www.groovetech.com) Anyway, that's not why I'm writing this... Is there anyone from SF going to the Phoenix Festival that has room in their car for one more person? One of my close friends from SF wants to come to it, but needs a ride. Can anyone help him? Please? B ____________________________________________________________________ Intellectual Psychedelica: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/21266 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67801-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 02:36:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20514 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 02:36:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20502 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 02:36:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703023633.70216.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tami Iida Reply-To: LilTaiida22@yahoo.com To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010702231335.87955.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] LiL One's 33 x120 review&Great America&stuff. . . Hey U guys! I'm still recovering from this weekend because I went to 33x120 on saturday and then from there I went to work at 7 am in sunnyvale and then from work I went to Great America, where I met the same Reno Ravers that I met up in Reno a couple weeks ago and then partied with them that night. I slept most of the day today and I'm still very tired. So, here it is. 33x120 was a bomb ass party. It is soooo great to be at a party when everyone (or almost everyone, hehe) is sober. Everyone is very talkative and everyone remembers what they say and what everyone says. hehe :-P I didn't think i danced that much because when i got home and took a 2 hr nap before I went to work I was so sore. yeah, Everyone spun some hella good beats. Kenneth, Valerie, Pete, Michael, Charlie, Tronic, Reese, John: You guys were great. You guys kept me dancing most of the night. Thank you Phat Cow Entertainment. Thanks for the Sober Memories. I had a great time. See ya at the next event! ===== Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* ~~Tami :-) (408) 821-6012 ___________________________________________________________ Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67802-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 02:41:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24284 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 02:41:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24273 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 02:41:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:45:13 -0700 From: Jacob - SFDance To: Sfraves Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] any thoughts on this? Has anyone setup a donation system like this? http://www.sfdance.org/thankyou.html -Jacob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67803-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 03:00:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34422 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 03:00:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34412 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 03:00:55 -0000 Message-ID: <005201c1036c$1a4279c0$89d9f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "Brynne and Hernan" , References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:58:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] bridging an amp.... Few people know that electronic components really run on magic black smoke... let it out and things stop working... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brynne and Hernan" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 4:59 AM Subject: [sfraves] bridging an amp.... > > > ...is not recommended. Period. > > But I do it all the time. > > The reason it is not recommended is that it puts tremendous strain on the > amp. Or rather the circumstance _that you would want to bridge an amp_ put a > terrific strain on your amp. No one bridges an amp unless they want every > single watt available out of that amp. A 400 watt per side amp is capable of > 1600 watts (into 2 ohms) bridge mono(I might have done my math wrong so I > thank the person who corrects me) > > What does this mean, terrific strain? > It means an amp that could last so long you could give it to your kids (20 > years) will, maybe, last the season(summer, winter pick one). After that you > will see cute little sparks, if not flames and smoke coming out of the air > vents. Without a doubt, quite a sight to see. The smell will haunt your > nightmares and _It always happens at the worst time!_ One good thing if you > are just starting out. Once you "Smoke Your Amp" (real soundperson term) > breathe in the toxic fumes, memorize them. This smell is important to know. > It is the smell of burning electronics. If you memorize the smell well > enough, you will be able to detect burnt resisters and capacitors in all the > other gear you will "smoke" in your illustrious career. > > One way I have found to slow this amp aging process is not to drive the amp > as hard as you can. Run it into the red and then back it down out of the > red. No cheating! I saw that, All the way out of the red. I don't want to > hear a peep from those hard working LED's. > There is a beautiful Zen logic there, (though it escapes me). > There is also a capitalist logic. That of not having to buy a new amp every > goddamn 6 months (which doesn't escape me). > The distortion levels of a bridged amp are tremendous. > A cutsy concept that snotty little assholes bandy about (but I wont trouble > you with) is that of High Fidelity. > A pristine and clear signal path from groove to addidas. > We amp-bridgers demand loud, we don't care about how it sounds. More > decibels at any cost, no matter what it takes! > > If you privately email me the amp name and speaker names I can tell you > specifically how to hook it up. I can also get you started on the audio > path. I want to be there when the sparks fly! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67804-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 03:09:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38055 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 03:09:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38045 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 03:09:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703030941.79112.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mr.G Man" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: knowmadae@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the madness) yea i seen area 51 posters all over san jose, in front of my summer school, paramounts imports, even downtown. do you guys really want gangsters at the party? i even seen posters on cars. reminds me of LA promoters. give it a break already, we all know about the party. promote to ravers. gman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67805-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 03:25:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47522 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 03:25:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47512 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 03:25:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [172.129.65.78] From: "TeK MaN" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:24:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 03:24:40.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1D760E0:01C1036F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Q's about AREA 51? hey!??! what's up w/ bryan zentz? is he going to be there because that like the whole person i really want to see. i also noticed that MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO isn't on the flyer that i have? is this a old one or new one? because they are all on the poster.. but not the flyer? ~k _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67806-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 03:26:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48846 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 03:26:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48831 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 03:26:00 -0000 From: DiSkOdiVa023@aol.com Message-ID: <73.f77f96f.2872953a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 23:25:46 EDT To: gruvnkim@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 108 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] brand new records OK if I was a DJ (im not) I would play whatever soundede good to me..new old WHATEVER...like D plays the boing song...and that song is hella old and i LOVE HEARING IT it makes me so happy...yah know i like hearing classic tracks at parties...like the house song "i have a dream" or if someone busted "not everyone understand house music" stuff like that...fuck ide play "groove is in the heart" and stuff like that...yah know..like i think a Djs set its refelction on them...not what the crowd wants to here....like for instance say you play a track you hella feel that isnt well known or whatever but see some people in the crowd hella get into it...thats gotta be one of the mpst rewarding things for spinning... so yah thats my imput.. :) Kristen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67807-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 03:55:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61997 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 03:55:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61984 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 03:55:51 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.165] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:54:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C10339.31DA3DD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 03:55:20.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAE77640:01C10373] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] urban.wasteland.pix ------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C10339.31DA3DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only 8 of them since the rest of the new roll isn't finished yet. Fuji = 800/10sec/f2.8/28mm lens+tripod for those that wanna know peep.it :: http://www.viberation.com/ryan/uw :: ryan.bailey sninesix.design www.viberation.com/ryan ------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C10339.31DA3DD0-- From sfraves-return-67808-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 03:59:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65218 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 03:59:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65199 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 03:59:27 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:10:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Pig Pictures I have pictures taken by my friend of the police in action at Imagine. Can't send them to the list because the sfraves server won't accept attachments, so if anyone out there would like to post them to their site for other's amusement I can forward them. The pictures are: 1. Officer taking pacifier 2. Officer shooting video of participants 3. Officer seizing candy inside with supervisor in "raver" clothes on a walkie talkie directing action. Much love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67809-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 04:01:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66603 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 04:01:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66587 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 04:01:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.54.129.90] From: "... ! ..." To: norcalraver@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:00:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 04:00:37.0071 (UTC) FILETIME=[B76035F0:01C10374] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long Eminem, huh. Is Elton John going to be there too? Do you think anyone from LA is going to be down to check out my "Fat" Dance Moves? I tried out for the Real World, but I decided I'd probably enjoy being on tour with four other guys instead. I wonder if I'll be able to pick up 700 more free hours of AOL. I haven't tried 6.0 yet you know. Hopefully they'll have the CD's glued to enough of those giant flyers that I'll be able to score a copy. I wonder if Eminem can dance. Maybe they'll get him to do a set to Binary Finary 1999. I hope he doesn't pull a gun. Maybe I'll pull a gun on him and see if I can break his probation. And never mind what the word fag means. It's kind of like the word "is". Actually I kind of like Eminem. He's figured out how to work with a producer just a well as anyone else has. I just wish they'd stop parading him around like he's there to do anything but promote a false and non-existent image to pimply kids who don't know any better. Just say, "we have Eminem because you have money." He's probably a really nice guy. In fact, I'd wager that he's gay. But who really knows, other than his ex-wife and his publicist.. And Elton John of course. Eminem, huh. That is utter nonsense. >From: "trance fiend" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:15:04 -0700 > >i've been raving since 1989 and i've yet to ever see a promoter like >coolworld....they make tons of excuses for whatever reason and choose not >to >accept responsibility for their own negligence....below is a recent >exchange >of e-mails between coolworld staff and myself...i thought i'd pass this >along to the list for anyone else to read that would like.....also, in >regards to the spring party in SF and all the djs that didn't play, >coolworld is claiming that 10+ djs just simply didn't quote unquote "show >up" to play at this party....ironically it was all the local djs that were >cut from this venue.....as far as what coolworld is telling everyone, this >is giving those djs a bad name by not showing up to spin....why on earth >would any promoter, no matter how large or small, dog out the djs like >this?.....my vote is i'll never attend another coolworld >event....ever....i'm the hugest sasha and john digweed fan on the planet, >but not even a sasha and digweed performance is enough to get me to attend >another coolworld event if they ever booked them....this is only my >opinion, >but i'll have to say that i'm joining the opinions of many on this >one.....i >realize there are peeps out there that like the coolworld parties, and by >all means go if you wanna......personally, i'm just really tired of >promoters that can't even keep something as simple as a promise.....just my >opinion > >little matt > >Matt wrote: > >>ok coolworld, whatever......no shows on the djs at spring?....i guess >>thats >>why there were only two rooms huh?....you had three rooms on the >>flyer....this is what i was talking about in regards to coolworld not >>keeping their promises.....last year at cyberfest you guys promised we >>could stay at the fairgrounds until 10 a.m., it was all over the flyers >>and >>every info line you had....i even checked the info lines up until the >>minute i left for the show....you guys kicked everyone out right after >>oakenfold finished his set forcing all the kids out into the streets....in >>regards to the negative reputations, yes, i agree the scene does have a >>bad >>rep.....but does coolworld really think they don't have a bad >>reputation?....as far as promoters go, you guys have one of the worst >>reputations out there....i'm not dogging out your company or anything like >>that, but just giving you a tip on what's going on out here.....i'm fairly >>new to the area and i've found that every time, every single time i >>mention >>the coolworld name i get a grimace from the individual or some kind of >>negative statement about your company and all the unfulfilled >>promises.....as far as promoters who give me my monies worth, insomniac >>tops the bill.....every, and i do mean every, insomniac party i've been to >>i've always been more than impressed.....everything has always been >>delivered as promised.....there was once last year they had an artist that >>didn't show at one of the events, so they sent out an e-mail to all the >>rave lists and their e-mail list apologizing to all the peeps for what >>happened.....haven't seen or heard of coolworld doing that yet, >>ever.....my >>argument?....spring.....still no acceptable answer as to what >>happened......there is no way in the world that any promoter anywhere can >>tell me 10+ djs just "didn't show" as you have said.....do i get my monies >>worth with coolworld?....no.....i'll go join all the other kids and hook >>up >>with promoters who keep their promises.....good luck coolworld, you'll >>need >>it.....i won't be seeing you at cyberfest this year, no matter who's on >>the >>bill.....responding to this e-mail will be useless as it will be deleted >>an >>not read.....i'm way too busy in my life and career to spend any further >>time in this >> >>later >> >>matt >> >>-----Original Message----- From: info@coolworld.com >>[mailto:info@coolworld.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 11:33 PM To: >>Matt >>Subject: Re Cyberfest >> >>Greetings... >> >>Thanks for the input we appreciate everyones opinions. D12, which is Em's >>new group was not our first choice but we decided to go with it, because >>there was a large amount of people who requested this. Everyone from here >>to Houston said they wanted to see him on the bill. Secondly, he is only >>acting in some of his lyrics and Em is a raver that started out in the >>underground rave scene on the East Coast performing at Raves. If you >>check >>the history he is completely into the scene. As far as the negative, 99% >>of our bill is electronic and DJ's and we feel that this will just help >>cross our scene over to the mainstream more. >> >>You have to realize that it's not Coolworld that has the negative rep., >>but >>the scene in general. We pioneered the outdoor dance festival concept and >>have pushing this for 12 years and the media still gives us problems!! >>The >>govt. is no better, so we try and give the best to all of you and what >>were >>trying to do is change the face of the scene to a more mainstream look in >>the medias eyes so that stop focusing on drugs. Also, by having the >>biggest artist in the Country on the bill, we will be able to open new >>doors in the industry. Did we need Em and D12 to draw people, NO, but we >>have to open as many doors to Dance Culture and if that means sometimes >>doing things that we would normally not do, then we have to make these >>sacrifices. The show is going to rock, 99% of what we promise comes thru. >>Also, we didn't cancel people at Spring because of tix sales...they were >>no >>shows and the reason the show only had 4000 people is because we promoted >>it light and only had 1 month. >> >>Either way we hope you support us and we appreciate your time...at the end >>of the day, look at every promoter and production company and you ask your >>self who gives you your monies worth! >> >>Coolworld >> >>Matt wrote: >> >> > cyberfest staff, > > i was looking very forward to going to cyberfest >>this year. that is until > you added eminem to the line-up. the whole >>concept of our culture represents > so many beautiful things, and above >>all >>else PLUR. with that in mind, eminem > in no way, fashion, shape or form >>represents or supports anything within our > culture. i really would >>suggest that coolworld rethink this booking. in my > opinion, here's my >>prediction for what's going to happen at this years >> >> > cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the bill. this event is going >>to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and b-boy types that are into >>the > violence that eminem represents. there are going to be a lot of >>fights and > conflict, and security will be a complete and total >>nightmare. >>i really do > see this as a grave error in the decision making on >>coolworld's part. i'm > not going to tell you i told you so after all of >>it >>happens, but i quite > guarantee you that this e-mail will be one of the >>first thoughts that runs > through coolworlds minds after the unnecessary >>fights, conflict and violence > get out of hand at the event. coolworld >>already has a really negative > reputation on the west coast, this is >>going >>to do nothing but fuel that > reputation enough to the point that northern >>cali just simply will not >> >> > support coolworld any longer. if you guys cant already see your decline >> > happening in north cali, look at the sandra collins party you threw >>recently > in downtown sf. look at how many djs you guys cut off the >>line-up because > not enough tickets sold. that was the second coolworld >>event i've attended, > and the second time coolworld has failed to deliver >>everything as promised. > you guys do put on a great party, but too many >>failed promises too many > times eventually leads to a companies demise >>and >>by their own hand. please > start delivering what you promise in your >>parties, and please re-think >> >> > eminem for this years cyberfest. > > matt > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67810-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 04:13:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73554 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 04:13:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73537 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 04:13:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.214.30] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: kandeedreamz@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:12:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 04:12:44.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[69212A50:01C10376] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld etc.....this is *really* long since i joined this list, i've tried to keep from going off on long tangents about "what the scene means," since i'm still learning. However, Shannon's post was so full of egregious wrongness that it simply demands an informed response. pardon the length. quoth Shannon: >And as far as spring and all those parties go, do you have any idea how >much work goes into putting together parties like that? the amount of work put in is totally irrelevant. promoters contract with ticket-buyers, by accepting their money for ticket sales, to present the event and artists which they advertise. to take money for a product which you do not deliver, with no attempt to make the purchaser good for that which you failed to deliver though legally obligated to do so, is theft. stealing. ripping off someone's money and putting it in your pocket. that is wrong, and unacceptable, no matter how much work may or may not have been put into the event which does not deliver what was advertised. >Bashing one promotion crew for things that all the promoters are >guilty of >at one point or another is just not fair. leaving aside the fact that your claim that "all promoters" are shady is completely unsupported (evidence would go a long way toward propping up your argument), the question must be asked: if all the other promoters threw their punters off a cliff, would it make it right for you to do it, too? the morals of individual actions are correctly judged on their own merits or demerits, not by trying to hide one's own shitty behavior behind that of others. >You have to remember that coolworld is a promotion crew that throws >massives and massives are mainstream so of course there will be some >shadiness involved, i mean that is just a given and you should know >that. informed consumers may wish to take this admission into account when deciding where to devote their rave-related dollars. do *you* want to deliberately support admittedly "shady behavior"? now, the heart of the matter, as least as far as i'm concerned...people in the rave scene appear, from my admittedly limited observation, to be utterly ignorant of the long and ugly history of commodification of American subcultures from Beat to hippie to disco to punk to New Romantic to Goth to grunge, and which is now looming over rave culture. this ignorance is a clear and present danger to a culture which is now beset by the pressures of increasing commercialization (and the dilution which is inherent in that commodification) and of police and other enforcement pressures. ever since the 1950s, the course of subcultures in America has been to be turned into a set of material signifiers which can be bought and sold, and by which consumers not part of the actual movement can, literally, buy their way in without any of the acculturation or learning process which folks go through when growing into the culture. for beatniks, it was bongos, berets, turtlenecks, and jazz records...for hippies, tie-dyed clothes and acid...for disco, gold chains and coke, and so on. because subcultures are not well equipped to deal with educating newbies, the influx of the new and (often) clueless *always* has a negative effect on the culture, diluting its core values (which newbies don't know yet) and its art (which inevitably gets betrayed to the mainstream in an attempt to draw in the dollars of those who can only handle their subculture art with a whitewash of normal "pop" values). i have seen this process first-hand. i just came back from a weekend of concerts related to the Grateful Dead scene, which i grew up in and spent thirty years in. it was my first alternative culture, and when it was good, it was very, very wonderful...but in the 1980s the Dead broke out with a hit single on MTV. immediately, the scene--which was already beginning to totter from its internal difficulties and contradictions--began to fragment and be diluted, as each subsequent wave of newcomers engaged in worse and worse iterations of clueless, dangerous behavior which was guaranteed to bring the heat down on us. much of this difficulty came with the introduction of new drugs to the scene, used in excess in public in a way guaranteed to bring the cops (sound familiar?) and with the hordes of newcomers came the various profiteers, each with their commodification to sell of what was once a creative interaction between equals...t-shirts, posters, pipes, sandals, drugs, drugs, and more drugs, various food items, books, magazines, stickers, and a cornucopia of scene-related crap. not to mention the concert promoters, the cops, the DEA (which started trawling the parking lots for LSD sales in the late 80s and jailed many unfortunate souls), and all the other parasites of the Straight World. as the commercializers facilitated the clueless, the audience became largely composed of people who didn't really care if the music was good or bad, as long as they were having a good time otherwise. inevitably, the music went down the toilet as a result, since an artist who gets unquestioning adulation whether they're brilliant or shit will lose the ability to tell the difference. so what we were left with was a "scene" made up of people who didn't understand what the scene was about, and badly performed, lazy, uninspired music which dumbed itself down to the lowest level the audience would accept. I had intended to go to three shows this weekend; the music and the scene were so dispiriting--heart-breaking, really--that i left at the intermission of the second show and didn't go back. later that evening, i was talking to my sweetie and said: "they killed it...they fucking killed it...and now i can never go home again." this scene is becoming my new home. i do not intend to stand by and idly watch as the same sort of unconscious, unconscionable behavior which destroyed one scene i loved do the same to this one. i beg of y'all: don't let the money boys take your scene away from you and sell it back in tiny, overpriced bits. like Shannon said: >if you were really tired of all the shadiness involved in throwing >raves >these days then you would stop paying to get into all the >parties. You are >complaining about it all and yet contributing to the >shadiness at the same >time by paying 40 bucks for a party. You do >that math. the parties i've been going to are $10-15; the folks advertised show up and spin; we dance and get bloody well off. why would anyone pay $35-40 dollars for events which don't even meet those minimal standards? one last thought, though the more materialist may disagree: to the extent that promoters and others (we punters included) rip people off and otherwise do wrong, they impose that wrongness on the entire scene. they corrupt and pollute the vibe, and in doing so endanger the culture in metaphysical, moral terms every bit as much as they do in the legalistic, unfair- and possibly-illegal sense. how are we going to stand up to the Man righteously if we have that sort of Achilles' heel? to defeat wrongness, righteousness is an invaluable ally; and when we--any of us, promoter or dancer--bring wrongness into the scene, we jeopardize that. sorry to be so verbose...but i truly am heartbroken at seeing a scene i loved die, and i don't want to see it twice. i want to see peace. love. unity. and respect. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67811-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 04:20:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79850 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 04:20:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79833 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 04:20:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.54.129.90] From: "... ! ..." To: raver@sarilion.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:19:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 04:19:48.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[65C4EA80:01C10377] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways.... Let me revise what I just stated... Marshall Mathers would make a better poet than hip-hop namesake. For a kid who's actually got some lyrical talent, he's getting raped by a corporate machine and by all appearances he likes it. From what I understand his background wasn't as tumultuous as it is trumped up to be, and there's a difference between creating a fictional identity such a Ziggy Stardust and selling one like Eminem. The latter is insulting to my intelligence. I thought his second LP was witty. I didn't personally take offense to much of it because he's dishing it out for an audience, just like any Southern football player would around his teammates. Point being, I feel I would enjoy Mathers in an intimate hip-hop gathering reminiscent of the ones I've seen in Philly, but on stage... at a massive... with record company executives buying cheap blowjobs.... probably not. - Q >From: Raver >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways.... >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 09:59:22 -0700 > >they don't play most of eminem's songs on the radio. > >eminem is real, both on stage and off. Some people can't handle that. > >eminem didn't always make money - he started out just like the rest of hip >hop, before he got signed. > >"There are a lot of dope rappers out there that don't got record >deals" That doesn't mean the artists with record deals suck. Not to >mention, if you're a hip hop group, and you appear on a major ticket, like >metropolis or up in smoke, or foolworld, you're commercial, even if you're >not signed. > >sarilion > >At 09:14 AM 7/2/2001 -0700, protokol wrote: > >> "and w/ eminem and d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while >>back >>ago.. um.. metropolis? they also had hip hop acts.." >> >>they're non-commercial hip-hop groups. they're different from Eminem's >>style, let's just call it "radio hip-hop." i'm not sure what radio hip-hop >>is all about, but it's not about music i can tell tou that. >>On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:11:25 -0700, Cindy L. wrote: >> >> > >> > ok.. it seems as if ur saying that raves are limited to only >>"ravers".. >>or >> > what u believe to be "ravers".. but i think the scene should be open >>to >>all >> > types of people.. even.. as u call them.. "thug and b-boy types".. >>they >>are >> > people too who enjoy parties and dancing and djs like everyone else >>that >> > attend these raves.. and they have every right to be there.. what >>happened >> > to.. "peace, love, unity, and.. dont forget this one.. respect".. i >>think >> >> > raves and promoters shouldn't exclude anyone from their parties.. but >>should >> > respect everyone and their choices.. just because u think someone >>"looks" >> >> > thuggish or appears that way.. that they are going to cause trouble or >>start >> > fights.. if u combine thousands of different people into one >>atmosphere.. >> >> > anything could happen.. fights.. drug busts.. riots.. whatever.. >>please >>do >> > not focus just on what u think thugs are.. if anything.. i would love >>to >>see >> > eminem and d12 perform.. i think its great that coolworld is trying to >>bring >> > everyone.. no matter how different they are.. together.. and w/ eminem >>and >> > d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while back ago.. um.. >>metropolis? >> > they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of people watching them.. >>and a >> > lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. u don't see a lot >>of >>hip >> > hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in the past so why >>would >>he >> > be any different then black eyed peas.. or krs.. or de la soul.. or >>any >> > other others.. i read posts on and off about negative media publicity >>about >> > our scene.. but if anything u have to invite the people in so that >>they >> > could experience it themselves and see how wonderful our culture >>really >>is.. >> > i am not trying to diss u and im not saying that everything i write is >> > correct.. and yes i know that a lot of u will disagree w/ me.. but one >> > reason i came into this scene is for the acceptance everyone has for >>one >> > another.. no matter how they dress.. what type of music they prefer.. >>how >> >> > they dance.. what they look like.. so on.. if this is what some of u >>claim.. >> > i do not see it happening by putting down certain groups of people and >> > making them feel unwelcome.. we are a part of a culture w/ a loving >> > atmosphere w/ loving people and w/ acceptance.. but.. all in all.. if >>u >>do >> > not like a production company or a party just don't go.. u could >>complain >> >> > all u want but please do not put anyone down.. thanks >> > whew.. sorry so long guys.. but i wanted to somehow get my point >>across.. >> > >> > From: "trance fiend" >> > >cyberfest solely with the name eminem on the bill. this event is >>going >> > >to > draw an extreme amount of gangsta, thug and b-boy types that are >>into >> > >the > violence that eminem represents. there are going to be a lot of >> > >fights and > conflict, and security will be a complete and total >>nightmare. >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________________ >>Send a cool gift with your E-Card >>http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67812-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 04:34:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87877 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 04:34:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87867 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 04:34:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.54.129.90] From: "... ! ..." To: apollo@speakeasy.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:33:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 04:33:37.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[53A59050:01C10379] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Portugal Reforms Its National Drug Policy I'd wager tourism was involved in making this decision. -Q >From: "Apollo" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Portugal Reforms Its National Drug Policy >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:41:08 -0700 > > >Portugal Reforms Its National Drug Policy > >Starting today, Portugal introduces Europe's most liberal drug policy. >Beginning July 1, 2001, there will be no criminal penalties in that >country to use and possess not only cannabis but also heavy drugs such >as cocaine, heroin and amphetamines. > > >http://www.alchemind.org/topclnews.htm > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67813-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 05:28:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7925 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 05:28:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7914 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 05:28:07 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:39:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] PIG PICS Ryan has graciously made these available at his site: www.viberation.com/ryan/police/ Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67814-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 05:50:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16418 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 05:50:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16402 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 05:50:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.66] From: "Cindy L." To: gruvnkim@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:50:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 05:50:19.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[0ABD5070:01C10384] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] hiphop was:Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long comparing the two because of hip hop.. not saying that they are exactly the same.. everyone has a different sound.. From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." >At 11:11 PM 7/1/01 -0700, Cindy L. wrote: > > > >i think its great that coolworld is trying to bring > >everyone.. no matter how different they are.. together.. and w/ eminem >and > >d12.. this reminds of a party.. not a long while back ago.. um.. >metropolis? > >they also had hip hop acts.. and i saw a lot of people watching them.. >and a > >lot of who i talked to only went for that reason.. u don't see a lot of >hip > >hop at raves here in sf.. eminem has done raves in the past so why would >he > >be any different then black eyed peas.. > > >*whaaaaat?* > >have you ever actually *listened* to eminem and the black eyed peas? > >if so, i don't see how you could possibly consider there to be any >comparison. >completely different vibe and philosophy. > >that's like saying that gabber and deep vocal house are similar because >they >are both electronic music. > >*shaking head* > >kim _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67815-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 05:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19745 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 05:59:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19733 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 05:59:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:48:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Haskovec To: Apollo cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures Maybe there was a "no candy/no pacifier" clause in the permit/contract with the city? The legality of that may be questionable, but if that was the case the cops were just doing their job... Also, this didn't seem to be enforced a whole lot, judging by the pics I saw of the event. In any case, I don't think name calling serves any useful purpose. dan On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Apollo wrote: > I have pictures taken by my friend of the police in action at Imagine. > Can't send them to the list because the sfraves server won't accept > attachments, so if anyone out there would like to post them to their site > for other's amusement I can forward them. > > The pictures are: > > 1. Officer taking pacifier > 2. Officer shooting video of participants > 3. Officer seizing candy inside with supervisor in "raver" clothes on a > walkie talkie directing action. > > Much love, > > Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67816-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 06:19:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26302 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 06:19:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26288 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 06:19:39 -0000 Message-ID: <016f01c10387$dda0dd60$89d9f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "Dan Haskovec" , "Apollo" Cc: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 23:17:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures As someone who has frequently used the terms "pig" and "pigs" in reference to law enforcement officers, I feel compelled to respond. It isn't really "name calling" in the usual sense. It isn't, for instance, directed at the person so much as it at the career these people CHOOSE. I personally think that a large problem with law enforcement is the fact that the people that would make the best and most fair police officers are exactly the ones that would never choose to go into the field. Conversely, many of the people that do go into the field go into it for exactly the reasons that they shouldn't be allowed to. Read Animal Farm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Haskovec" To: "Apollo" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures > Maybe there was a "no candy/no pacifier" clause in the permit/contract > with the city? The legality of that may be questionable, but if that was > the case the cops were just doing their job... Also, this didn't seem to > be enforced a whole lot, judging by the pics I saw of the event. In any > case, I don't think name calling serves any useful purpose. > > dan > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Apollo wrote: > > > I have pictures taken by my friend of the police in action at Imagine. > > Can't send them to the list because the sfraves server won't accept > > attachments, so if anyone out there would like to post them to their site > > for other's amusement I can forward them. > > > > The pictures are: > > > > 1. Officer taking pacifier > > 2. Officer shooting video of participants > > 3. Officer seizing candy inside with supervisor in "raver" clothes on a > > walkie talkie directing action. > > > > Much love, > > > > Apollo > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67817-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 06:22:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27966 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 06:22:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27955 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 06:22:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Haskovec To: "A. Nonymous" cc: In-Reply-To: <016f01c10387$dda0dd60$89d9f7a5@sauoq> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures And calling police officers "pig" helps the problem how? dan On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, A. Nonymous wrote: > As someone who has frequently used the terms "pig" and "pigs" in reference > to law enforcement officers, I feel compelled to respond. > > It isn't really "name calling" in the usual sense. It isn't, for instance, > directed at the person so much as it at the career these people CHOOSE. > > I personally think that a large problem with law enforcement is the fact > that the people that would make the best and most fair police officers are > exactly the ones that would never choose to go into the field. Conversely, > many of the people that do go into the field go into it for exactly the > reasons that they shouldn't be allowed to. > > Read Animal Farm. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Haskovec" > To: "Apollo" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures > > > > Maybe there was a "no candy/no pacifier" clause in the permit/contract > > with the city? The legality of that may be questionable, but if that was > > the case the cops were just doing their job... Also, this didn't seem to > > be enforced a whole lot, judging by the pics I saw of the event. In any > > case, I don't think name calling serves any useful purpose. > > > > dan > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Apollo wrote: > > > > > I have pictures taken by my friend of the police in action at Imagine. > > > Can't send them to the list because the sfraves server won't accept > > > attachments, so if anyone out there would like to post them to their > site > > > for other's amusement I can forward them. > > > > > > The pictures are: > > > > > > 1. Officer taking pacifier > > > 2. Officer shooting video of participants > > > 3. Officer seizing candy inside with supervisor in "raver" clothes on a > > > walkie talkie directing action. > > > > > > Much love, > > > > > > Apollo > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67818-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 06:25:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30330 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 06:25:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30308 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 06:25:49 -0000 Message-ID: <018b01c10388$ba4627c0$89d9f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "Dan Haskovec" Cc: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 23:23:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures Unity requires a common language... you figure it out. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Haskovec" To: "A. Nonymous" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures > And calling police officers "pig" helps the problem how? > > dan > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, A. Nonymous wrote: > > > As someone who has frequently used the terms "pig" and "pigs" in reference > > to law enforcement officers, I feel compelled to respond. > > > > It isn't really "name calling" in the usual sense. It isn't, for instance, > > directed at the person so much as it at the career these people CHOOSE. > > > > I personally think that a large problem with law enforcement is the fact > > that the people that would make the best and most fair police officers are > > exactly the ones that would never choose to go into the field. Conversely, > > many of the people that do go into the field go into it for exactly the > > reasons that they shouldn't be allowed to. > > > > Read Animal Farm. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Haskovec" > > To: "Apollo" > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures > > > > > > > Maybe there was a "no candy/no pacifier" clause in the permit/contract > > > with the city? The legality of that may be questionable, but if that was > > > the case the cops were just doing their job... Also, this didn't seem to > > > be enforced a whole lot, judging by the pics I saw of the event. In any > > > case, I don't think name calling serves any useful purpose. > > > > > > dan > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Apollo wrote: > > > > > > > I have pictures taken by my friend of the police in action at Imagine. > > > > Can't send them to the list because the sfraves server won't accept > > > > attachments, so if anyone out there would like to post them to their > > site > > > > for other's amusement I can forward them. > > > > > > > > The pictures are: > > > > > > > > 1. Officer taking pacifier > > > > 2. Officer shooting video of participants > > > > 3. Officer seizing candy inside with supervisor in "raver" clothes on a > > > > walkie talkie directing action. > > > > > > > > Much love, > > > > > > > > Apollo > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67819-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 06:29:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32694 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 06:29:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32684 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 06:29:29 -0000 Message-ID: <019301c10389$3fa70d80$89d9f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "Dan Haskovec" Cc: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 23:27:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures The long answer is that it doesn't really help solve anything directly... but it helps people with a common mindset to recognize each other... when that is a mindset that might get you locked behind bars, it is worthwhile to have as many ways to recognize each other as is possible. You might just call it a part of the culture, and be done with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Haskovec" To: "A. Nonymous" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures > And calling police officers "pig" helps the problem how? > > dan > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, A. Nonymous wrote: > > > As someone who has frequently used the terms "pig" and "pigs" in reference > > to law enforcement officers, I feel compelled to respond. > > > > It isn't really "name calling" in the usual sense. It isn't, for instance, > > directed at the person so much as it at the career these people CHOOSE. > > > > I personally think that a large problem with law enforcement is the fact > > that the people that would make the best and most fair police officers are > > exactly the ones that would never choose to go into the field. Conversely, > > many of the people that do go into the field go into it for exactly the > > reasons that they shouldn't be allowed to. > > > > Read Animal Farm. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Haskovec" > > To: "Apollo" > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures > > > > > > > Maybe there was a "no candy/no pacifier" clause in the permit/contract > > > with the city? The legality of that may be questionable, but if that was > > > the case the cops were just doing their job... Also, this didn't seem to > > > be enforced a whole lot, judging by the pics I saw of the event. In any > > > case, I don't think name calling serves any useful purpose. > > > > > > dan > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Apollo wrote: > > > > > > > I have pictures taken by my friend of the police in action at Imagine. > > > > Can't send them to the list because the sfraves server won't accept > > > > attachments, so if anyone out there would like to post them to their > > site > > > > for other's amusement I can forward them. > > > > > > > > The pictures are: > > > > > > > > 1. Officer taking pacifier > > > > 2. Officer shooting video of participants > > > > 3. Officer seizing candy inside with supervisor in "raver" clothes on a > > > > walkie talkie directing action. > > > > > > > > Much love, > > > > > > > > Apollo > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67820-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 06:42:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38034 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 06:42:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38024 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 06:42:22 -0000 Message-ID: <007f01c1038b$a60b9940$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: "Mr.G Man" Cc: References: <20010703030941.79112.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 23:44:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the madness) ummm I don't think any of our attractions will ever attract these "gangsters" to our event. From our line up, to the look of the flyer, to the messages on the voicemails our event is not geared towards the "gangsters" you are referring to. So EVEN IF, they saw a million posters, 500,000 flyers, and a sticker on one of their hommies' slammed rides, they still would not go to our event. (simply due to the style of the event.) I see tons of promotion for hip hop and rap shows, yet for some reason, I have never been... Maybe they aren't my style of shows. Get it? Peace and love, Greg Sandler > yea i seen area 51 posters all over san jose, in > front of my summer school, paramounts imports, even > downtown. do you guys really want gangsters at the > party? > > i even seen posters on cars. reminds me of LA > promoters. give it a break already, we all know about > the party. promote to ravers. > > gman > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67821-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 06:51:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40892 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 06:51:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40879 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 06:51:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.206.168.165] From: "Chris 'LoOnDrOp' Mahoney" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 23:50:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 06:50:32.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[74243800:01C1038C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] whhhaaaaazzzuuuhhhh! hiyas all! just wanted to peek in and say wazzzuh! im back on the list now after my unfortunate, uh, stay. and of course, i have just been to one of those classic, off-the-hook campouts. Stilldream :) :) :) those of you who missed it, missed a lot! i have to give out full props to the following: mad props to the whole crew for throwing Stilldream, and eating every doillar they threw into it, and my god, Paul, who tossed hay bails into the bed of his truck in 105 degree weather for hours on end. Serious props go out to Bryan from Dancesafe, you are friggin awesome. g and shelly, of course, it was a helluvan adventure huh? and four stars to the medical straff, with just a 'touch of gray' and of course to Magic, who listened to my stupid sad story, lifted about five thousand pounds off of my shoulders, and didnt condemn me for it :) the venue was awesome, although, unfortunately a small group of people did some brutal property damage, and the owners were rather upset. my god people! The number of safe and available places to have a gathering are dwindling fast, and when we ( i say 'we' because what one raver does, all ravers are stereotypically seen to do) disrespect other peoples property in that way, i wouldnt be surprised if the owners werent willing to have us again. thats crap people. just kinda keep in mind that those people ARE the public view of us. think about it, IF I WAS CAMPING IN YOUR FRONT YARD, AND I DECIDED IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO THROW ROCKS AT YOUR CAR...WOULD YOU LET ME CAMP THERE AGAIN?? 'nuff said okay thanks for hearing out my rant and stuff. catch ya all later --LoOnDrOp :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67822-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 07:20:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48652 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 07:20:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48641 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 07:20:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <006501c10390$7e10f8e0$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: , References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 00:19:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Pig Pictures i wanna c those!!!! hahaha pigs haha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Apollo" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: [sfraves] Pig Pictures > I have pictures taken by my friend of the police in action at Imagine. > Can't send them to the list because the sfraves server won't accept > attachments, so if anyone out there would like to post them to their site > for other's amusement I can forward them. > > The pictures are: > > 1. Officer taking pacifier > 2. Officer shooting video of participants > 3. Officer seizing candy inside with supervisor in "raver" clothes on a > walkie talkie directing action. > > Much love, > > Apollo > > > > "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." > > - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory > > > "Spend money on experience, not on goods." > > - Ben, Burningman 2000 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67823-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 07:46:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56311 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 07:46:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56300 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 07:46:53 -0000 From: "~~mirage~~" To: , Cc: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 00:49:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the madness) why are there all these labels and the stereotypes in this message thread? why the separation and desire to exclude, and perpetuation of prejudices? you have your negative views of hip-hop fans and those who live in downtown (what's up with that?) - apparently, they're some undesirable element you don't want to associate with, much less be in the same venue with, and god forbig they groove to the same music. yeah, i know they have images of "ravers" as well -- a bunch of pacifier-sucking, drugged-out kids draped on the floor or rubbing each other or dancing spastically or passing out bracelets or zoning out to glowsticks or chewing on suckers or whatever, who travel in groups and try to keep "outsiders" on the outside. yes, some people in the rave scene do fit the stereotype - but most don't. it would probably be a wonderful thing if those "gangsters" you fear so much *did* attend not only area 51 but other events, too, and vice versa. most raves are predominantly white and asian in their ethnicity, and most hip-hop events are latino and black. it'd be nice to mix it up a little more. regardless of race, though, why not try a walk on "the other side" just once, and perhaps at least appreciate another flavor of music and style? all this segregationist spirit is so fucking sad, and doesn't help anyone, and certainly doesn't help spread the much-touted PLUR that is not acted on enough. and music does have power - they say it's a universal language, so perhaps it could help unite more in this universe. share the music share the beats and share some love. it won't hurt, really. *-----Original Message----- *From: Greg Sandler [mailto:ascend@ix.netcom.com] *Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:45 PM *To: Mr.G Man *Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org *Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the *madness) * * *ummm I don't think any of our attractions will ever attract these *"gangsters" to our event. From our line up, to the look of the *flyer, to the *messages on the voicemails our event is not geared towards the "gangsters" *you are referring to. So EVEN IF, they saw a million posters, 500,000 *flyers, and a sticker on one of their hommies' slammed rides, they still *would not go to our event. (simply due to the style of the event.) * *I see tons of promotion for hip hop and rap shows, yet for some reason, I *have never been... Maybe they aren't my style of shows. * *Get it? * *Peace and love, * *Greg Sandler *> yea i seen area 51 posters all over san jose, in *> front of my summer school, paramounts imports, even *> downtown. do you guys really want gangsters at the *> party? *> *> i even seen posters on cars. reminds me of LA *> promoters. give it a break already, we all know about *> the party. promote to ravers. *> *> gman *> *> __________________________________________________ *> Do You Yahoo!? *> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail *> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ *> *> --------------------------------------------------------------------- *> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org *> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org *> * * *--------------------------------------------------------------------- *To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org *For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67824-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 08:21:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64842 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 08:21:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64829 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 08:21:13 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01c10399$6a995d80$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: "~~mirage~~" Cc: References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 01:23:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the madness) I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a racist. Infact, due to my heritage, I know first hand about the evils associated with prejudices. All I was trying to say is that our style of promotions does not attract the people that this person was referring to as "gangsters." This being the case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and we are going to put flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote harder than we EVER have before, while attracting whomever wants to come. peace ----- Original Message ----- From: "~~mirage~~" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the madness) > > why are there all these labels and the stereotypes in this message thread? > why the separation and desire to exclude, and perpetuation of prejudices? > you have your negative views of hip-hop fans and those who live in downtown > (what's up with that?) - apparently, they're some undesirable element you > don't want to associate with, much less be in the same venue with, and god > forbig they groove to the same music. yeah, i know they have images of > "ravers" as well -- a bunch of pacifier-sucking, drugged-out kids draped on > the floor or rubbing each other or dancing spastically or passing out > bracelets or zoning out to glowsticks or chewing on suckers or whatever, who > travel in groups and try to keep "outsiders" on the outside. yes, some > people in the rave scene do fit the stereotype - but most don't. > > it would probably be a wonderful thing if those "gangsters" you fear so much > *did* attend not only area 51 but other events, too, and vice versa. most > raves are predominantly white and asian in their ethnicity, and most hip-hop > events are latino and black. it'd be nice to mix it up a little more. > regardless of race, though, why not try a walk on "the other side" just > once, and perhaps at least appreciate another flavor of music and style? > > all this segregationist spirit is so fucking sad, and doesn't help anyone, > and certainly doesn't help spread the much-touted PLUR that is not acted on > enough. and music does have power - they say it's a universal language, so > perhaps it could help unite more in this universe. > > share the music share the beats and share some love. it won't hurt, really. > > > *-----Original Message----- > *From: Greg Sandler [mailto:ascend@ix.netcom.com] > *Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:45 PM > *To: Mr.G Man > *Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > *Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the > *madness) > * > * > *ummm I don't think any of our attractions will ever attract these > *"gangsters" to our event. From our line up, to the look of the > *flyer, to the > *messages on the voicemails our event is not geared towards the "gangsters" > *you are referring to. So EVEN IF, they saw a million posters, 500,000 > *flyers, and a sticker on one of their hommies' slammed rides, they still > *would not go to our event. (simply due to the style of the event.) > * > *I see tons of promotion for hip hop and rap shows, yet for some reason, I > *have never been... Maybe they aren't my style of shows. > * > *Get it? > * > *Peace and love, > * > *Greg Sandler > *> yea i seen area 51 posters all over san jose, in > *> front of my summer school, paramounts imports, even > *> downtown. do you guys really want gangsters at the > *> party? > *> > *> i even seen posters on cars. reminds me of LA > *> promoters. give it a break already, we all know about > *> the party. promote to ravers. > *> > *> gman > *> > *> __________________________________________________ > *> Do You Yahoo!? > *> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > *> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > *> > *> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > *> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > *> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > *> > * > * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------- > *To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > *For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > * > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67825-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 08:29:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71052 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 08:29:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71042 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 08:29:14 -0000 From: "~~mirage~~" To: "Greg Sandler" Cc: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 01:32:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001a01c10399$6a995d80$1101000a@litterbox> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the madness) i think flyering in all places is wonderful (well, in theory -- i do worry about contributing to trash on the city streets and using trees and swirls of area 51 flyers caught in the cyclones of wind that often pop up in the bay area, but...) -- having more people attend of course helps bring in more money, but it also might touch a few people who otherwise would have been unexposed to the culture. after all, all ravers who currently rave were once one of "the other people" and had to learn somewhere. and any music that kicks ass deserves to be shared with as many as possible... *-----Original Message----- *From: Greg Sandler [mailto:ascend@ix.netcom.com] *Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:23 AM *To: ~~mirage~~ *Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org *Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the *madness) * * *I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a racist. Infact, due to my *heritage, I know first hand about the evils associated with prejudices. All *I was trying to say is that our style of promotions does not attract the *people that this person was referring to as "gangsters." This being the *case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and we are going to put *flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote harder than we EVER have *before, while attracting whomever wants to come. * *peace * *----- Original Message ----- *From: "~~mirage~~" *To: ; *Cc: *Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:49 AM *Subject: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the madness) * * *> *> why are there all these labels and the stereotypes in this *message thread? *> why the separation and desire to exclude, and perpetuation of prejudices? *> you have your negative views of hip-hop fans and those who live in *downtown *> (what's up with that?) - apparently, they're some undesirable element you *> don't want to associate with, much less be in the same venue *with, and god *> forbig they groove to the same music. yeah, i know they have images of *> "ravers" as well -- a bunch of pacifier-sucking, drugged-out kids draped *on *> the floor or rubbing each other or dancing spastically or passing out *> bracelets or zoning out to glowsticks or chewing on suckers or whatever, *who *> travel in groups and try to keep "outsiders" on the outside. yes, some *> people in the rave scene do fit the stereotype - but most don't. *> *> it would probably be a wonderful thing if those "gangsters" you fear so *much *> *did* attend not only area 51 but other events, too, and vice *versa. most *> raves are predominantly white and asian in their ethnicity, and most *hip-hop *> events are latino and black. it'd be nice to mix it up a little more. *> regardless of race, though, why not try a walk on "the other side" just *> once, and perhaps at least appreciate another flavor of music and style? *> *> all this segregationist spirit is so fucking sad, and doesn't *help anyone, *> and certainly doesn't help spread the much-touted PLUR that is not acted *on *> enough. and music does have power - they say it's a universal language, *so *> perhaps it could help unite more in this universe. *> *> share the music share the beats and share some love. it won't hurt, *really. *> *> *> *-----Original Message----- *> *From: Greg Sandler [mailto:ascend@ix.netcom.com] *> *Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:45 PM *> *To: Mr.G Man *> *Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org *> *Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the *> *madness) *> * *> * *> *ummm I don't think any of our attractions will ever attract these *> *"gangsters" to our event. From our line up, to the look of the *> *flyer, to the *> *messages on the voicemails our event is not geared towards the *"gangsters" *> *you are referring to. So EVEN IF, they saw a million posters, 500,000 *> *flyers, and a sticker on one of their hommies' slammed rides, they still *> *would not go to our event. (simply due to the style of the event.) *> * *> *I see tons of promotion for hip hop and rap shows, yet for some *reason, I *> *have never been... Maybe they aren't my style of shows. *> * *> *Get it? *> * *> *Peace and love, *> * *> *Greg Sandler *> *> yea i seen area 51 posters all over san jose, in *> *> front of my summer school, paramounts imports, even *> *> downtown. do you guys really want gangsters at the *> *> party? *> *> *> *> i even seen posters on cars. reminds me of LA *> *> promoters. give it a break already, we all know about *> *> the party. promote to ravers. *> *> *> *> gman *> *> *> *> __________________________________________________ *> *> Do You Yahoo!? *> *> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail *> *> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ *> *> *> *> --------------------------------------------------------------------- *> *> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org *> *> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org *> *> *> * *> * *> *--------------------------------------------------------------------- *> *To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org *> *For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org *> * *> *> *> --------------------------------------------------------------------- *> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org *> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org *> * * *--------------------------------------------------------------------- *To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org *For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67826-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 09:28:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85072 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 09:28:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85053 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 09:28:48 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: "~~mirage~~" , "Greg Sandler" Cc: Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.51] Message-Id: <20010703092842.AE3A636F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the madness) I jus' wanna share that like way back in the Day, I remember being like one of few, if not only, Filipino's in the Underground when I started goin' to parties! I know this probably doesn't help with this thread in any way, but I jus' thought I'd share that! But really though, I mean, "Gangster Ravers" do show up at parties no matter what party it is!!! Seriously!! They probably don't dig the music, but they go. There was one incident in paticular when I was at a Rave when a "Ganster Raver" kid came up to me and asked me if I was Rollin'! I said yeah & played the E-tard bit just to see what Homeboy was gonna ask me. Let's jus' say that he wanted to take a walk a to his car which I wasn't really down to do & I told him I was gonna dance! LoL! It was fun! BUt yeah, I hear them talk! There's also those Gangster Dudes that go to parties to sell drugs!! It could be some bunk ass shit, but they know they could make a quick buck off the E-tards who wanna Drop. I see it happen @ Raves more so lately then Before. It doesn't matter what event it is or what, they'll still go!! I'm totally not knockin' you Greg, but I see it & I know it happens!! Maybe Gangsters won't go to Area, but there's no telling that! It happens! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67827-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 09:53:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12396 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 09:53:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12386 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 09:53:11 -0000 From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:56:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area:One Music Festival Anyone going to this wonderful concert? Besides me? Is anyone on this list even interested in underground hip hop (Aceyalone, Beetnuts, Blackalicious, Dilated Peoples, D-stroy, Apathy, Roots, Living Legends, Reflection Eternal, Slum Village, Souls of Mischief, Zion I, etc)??? Area:One July:31st:2001 Moby Outkast New Order The Roots Derrick May Juan Atkins Timo Maas The Orb Rhinocerose Kevin Saunderson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67828-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 14:43:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28557 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 14:43:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28547 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 14:43:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:37:50 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Mon) "The amount of alcohol consumed was just staggering..." ---Someone commenting on The Founding Fathers. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67829-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 15:04:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43707 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 15:04:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43697 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 15:04:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.122.174] From: "craig newman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 08:04:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 15:04:02.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[654DCBD0:01C103D1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] mixin it up (Area 51 vr. ghetto massives) Well, I'm not talking no sh*t, but if you want to see bad things happen at a so called "RAVE", when all the differents scenes(including HIPHOP) gets mixed together, then go to CYBERFEST. Eminem, D12, then a whole lot dj's. This crowd is going to be "MIXED UP", and I just have a feeling that things are going to go very bad. Now if you want to go to a nice massive where you dont have to worry too much about getting jacked, stabbed, jumped, or bunked, then go to AREA 51. This will not have the gehtto vibe, and is going to be on phat asssed off the heebee party! Thank you greg for putting together on tight party!!! I cant wait!!!!! Craig Ps. I do fear "gangsters" in large numbers! >it would probably be a wonderful thing if those "gangsters" you fear so >much >*did* attend not only area 51 but other events, too, and vice versa. most >raves are predominantly white and asian in their ethnicity, and most >hip-hop >events are latino and black. it'd be nice to mix it up a little more. >regardless of race, though, why not try a walk on "the other side" just >once, and perhaps at least appreciate another flavor of music and style? > >all this segregationist spirit is so fucking sad, and doesn't help anyone, >and certainly doesn't help spread the much-touted PLUR that is not acted on >enough. and music does have power - they say it's a universal language, so >perhaps it could help unite more in this universe. > >share the music share the beats and share some love. it won't hurt, >really. > > >*-----Original Message----- >*From: Greg Sandler [mailto:ascend@ix.netcom.com] >*Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:45 PM >*To: Mr.G Man >*Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >*Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the >*madness) >* >* >*ummm I don't think any of our attractions will ever attract these >*"gangsters" to our event. From our line up, to the look of the >*flyer, to the >*messages on the voicemails our event is not geared towards the "gangsters" >*you are referring to. So EVEN IF, they saw a million posters, 500,000 >*flyers, and a sticker on one of their hommies' slammed rides, they still >*would not go to our event. (simply due to the style of the event.) >* >*I see tons of promotion for hip hop and rap shows, yet for some reason, I >*have never been... Maybe they aren't my style of shows. >* >*Get it? >* >*Peace and love, >* >*Greg Sandler >*> yea i seen area 51 posters all over san jose, in >*> front of my summer school, paramounts imports, even >*> downtown. do you guys really want gangsters at the >*> party? >*> >*> i even seen posters on cars. reminds me of LA >*> promoters. give it a break already, we all know about >*> the party. promote to ravers. >*> >*> gman >*> >*> __________________________________________________ >*> Do You Yahoo!? >*> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >*> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >*> >*> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >*> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >*> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >*> >* >* >*--------------------------------------------------------------------- >*To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >*For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >* > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67830-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 15:32:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73933 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 15:32:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73923 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 15:32:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.39.2.53] From: "j ->son" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 15:32:23 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 15:32:23.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AFD6D80:01C103D5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] happy 4th http://jibjab.com/affiliates/advertising_com/d_ad_rp_movie01.swf _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67831-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 16:21:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15134 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 16:21:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15115 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 16:21:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703162146.70558.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: SILVIU To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: AMD or Intel ? http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010629/tc/dell_quizzes_customers_on_amd-based_pc_1.html :Silviu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67832-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 16:41:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30448 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 16:41:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30437 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 16:41:23 -0000 From: "Kenya Ziegenhagen" To: "Sfraves" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:44:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B31_01C103A4.B7A29550" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Prejudices ------=_NextPart_000_0B31_01C103A4.B7A29550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone has prejudices no matter what, that is just a fact of life, but never have I seen a group that is just so open with them. You all want people to give you guys a chance, and to look beneath the exterior, yet all you guys are doing is talking shit about so called "gangsters". You guys are no better than the people that judge you!! Who cares if "gangsters" go to a party, everyone is entitled to a little fun in their life, just enjoy the party the best you know how and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing or who showed up. Give up the elitist attitude! ------=_NextPart_000_0B31_01C103A4.B7A29550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------=_NextPart_000_0B31_01C103A4.B7A29550-- From sfraves-return-67833-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 16:51:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46005 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 16:51:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45995 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 16:51:01 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:33:43 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-206-212-147.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.212.147]; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:43:45 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: F8: Re: To the person who broke into my car at imagine... Right on, man. Way to be +. When I wrote that yesterday I did not even fathom the kind of response I would receive. Thank you all for your support. This just reminded me again why I'm in this whole rave community thing. So many people have emailed me sharing sympathy, similar stories, and offering me new CD's. To the person who asked where I got my window replaced, it was this hole in the wall glass place in Windsor (15 min. north of Santa Rosa) I guess at least a couple of people seemed kind of miffed that I posted this to the lists, because it might be accusing someone on the lists of commiting the crime. I'm sorry you guys have to be so negative about that. I was not accusing anyone, and I KNOW that the person who did it is most likely not on the list, but even if there's a 1/1million chance, why not? Or why not just write my letter and hope that it gets passed along to the person who did it? Or why not just write it to show that you can be positive in times of dispair? I don't have any comprehensive insurance, so everything's out of pocket. I'm fine with that though. I have a CD burner at work, and DSL, so all it'll take now is time, which I am currently trying to convince myself doesn't exist. So it all works out great. I'm having too good of a week for all this shit to let me down. Baked, Not Fried, Shaman At Tuesday, 3 July 2001, you wrote: >Shaman you are impressive. > >Perhaps the jerk that broke into your car isn't reading this one. . but the >jerk that broke into mine might be. Like Shaman I lost my book of CD's but >the thief wasn't as kind to leave my weed behind, roughly a half ounce. He >also made off with my clothes, my toothbrush and toiletries, my flashlights >and lanterns, a very special bong handcrafted by yours truly. Plus my two >pillows, one of which was handcrafted by my great grandmother, and something >I've cared for my entire life. There was other random things such as >batteries, candles, and a CD player, ouch. Most of the things that you >stole were replaceable with money but you stole some things that can NEVER >be replaced. I hope that you sleep very well on my pillow, in my clothes, >while you listen to my music on my CD player and smoke all my weed out of my >bong. It's a shame that you felt the need to steal all of this from me just >to get some weed. Had you asked me I would have happily smoked your ass >stupid all night and might have even invited you into my tent to sleep on >the extra bag I had. Instead you took all my stuff and left. I don't know >if you kept everything, I imagine that most of it was discarded as it didn't >suit your taste, or fit you, I cringe to think my pillow was among these >items. I hope that you can sleep well and that your conscious doesn't eat >at your soul while you ponder the sadness of your life. Again I want to >illustrate how unnecessary it was to do it when I imagine all you wanted was >a bowl. Which would have been GIVEN to you happily. How sad. One more >thing... I remember who you were, and recall your face clearly. I wouldn't >attend too many parties in the future for fear of running into me. . after >all a good thief never show's his face in public. > >Enjoy my stuff. > >-clumsy >----- Original Message ----- >From: "D.J. Shaman" >To: ; >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:48 PM >Subject: F8: To the person who broke into my car at imagine... > >> Ok lists, like the topic says, this is to the person who broke my >> car window and took my CD's at imagine. >> >> I'm really sorry that you had to go and break my window to get into >> my car. I would have gladly opened the door for you had you taken >> the time to come find me. I do appreciate trying to help me flyer >> by scattering half of them all over the street, but the point is >> to get them into the hands of ravers, not on the bottom of wheels. >> I really hope that you enjoy the 200+ Compact Disks that I have >> collected over the past 2 years. I have gotten much satisfaction >> listening to them, and maybe my music will change your life so you >> don't have to go around breaking car windows and stealing CD's anymore. >> I recommend listening to the Deepsky Live CD, the Hybrid bootlegs, >> PVD's 33 RPM, and the Live Radiohead Bootlegs. Please check out >> my demo CD in there too, it's a silver CDR labled "shaman sleep dep" >> Tell me if you like it. >> >> Thank you very much for leaving my jar of marijuana, I don't know >> how I could have coped with the cold ride home (not having a back >> window) without it. >> Can I ask what you were looking for in the glove box? It was open >> when I found it, but nothing was gone. Maybe if you tell me what >> you were looking for, something might be arranged? >> The window was only $75 to fix, and if you'd ever like to take me >> out to dinner or something to make up for that it would be appreciated. >> . >> >> I hope you have a nice day. >> Baked, Not Fried, >> Shaman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >majordomo@squinky.org >> with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. >> >--- >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. org >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67834-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 16:54:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50012 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 16:54:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49999 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 16:54:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703165406.38741.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:54:06 -0700 (PDT) From: The Summer To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (((PHUTURO))) ROXANNE//JUJU TONITE!!! tuesdays / the top / 424 Haight / 21+ / SF / $5 / 10-2am Tonite: 07/03/2001 R O X A N N E (Vortex/Groundscore,LA) J U J U (Phuturo/Renegade,SF) Come early for Sleeveless happy hour from 7-10pm, Eva and her crew throwin down dnb early on... Coming up next week: 07/10/2001 JUJU'S BIRTHDAY SMASHDOWN WITH 4REAL AND JUJU! come to the top and give him a spank on the ass for his birthday...i dare you. go here for upcoming guests: www.phuturo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67835-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 16:54:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50834 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 16:54:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50804 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 16:54:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703165411.54034.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: SILVIU To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: The PRE-BOOTY CALL agreement DISCLAIMER : If you are SENSITIVE to such things (read the title again) please DONT READ ANY FURTHER ! :SILVIU "You are the weakest link. Goodbye." *------------------*snip*------------------* THE PRE-BOOTY CALL AGREEMENT This pre-booty call agreement (herein after referred to herein as the "Agreement") is entered into as of the _________ day of _______, 2000 by and between ____________________ & ____________________. THIS AGREEMENT SHALL COVER THE FOLLOWING RULES AND PRINCIPLES. 1. No sleeping over- UNLESS IT IS VERY GOOD AND WE NEED TO REPEAT IT IN THE MORNING. 2. No meeting in public except for dinner or drinks before the events of the evening. 3. No calls before 9p.m.- (we don't have sh@# to talk about). 4. None of that "Lovemaking" sh@#, strictly mind blowing-sex allowed. 5. No emotional discussions. (ie: Where are we headed w/this? Do you love me? Hell NO, so don't ask stupid questions). 6. No plans made in advance...that's why you're called the "Back-up" unless you are from out of town, then it's only a one time advanced arrangement. 7. All gifts accepted- (money, oral, etc.). 8. No Baby talk, (however, dirty talk is encouraged). 9. No asking for Comparisons with former Lovers (its really none of your d@mn business). 10. No kissing (too intimate except to other body parts). 11. No calling each other "friends with benefits" (we are not friends, just sex-buddies). 12. Calling out the wrong name during sex is O.K.- don't be offended. 13. No extra clothing (I don't want your a$$ leaving anything behind when you leave). 14. No falling asleep right after Sex. Get your a$$ up and GO HOME, It's OVER damn-it. 15. Don't be offended if I don't ask if you enjoyed it. (I DON'T CARE). 16. You cannot borrow my car for any reason. 17. If anyone asks who you are, the standard response will be, "My roommates girlfriend/boyfriend." 18. Doggie style preferred 19. Reason for doggie style. The less eye contact the better. (duh) 20. We hook up absolutely whenever the mood strikes. - ME! (So don't keep calling D@MN IT!!) 21. The most important one: NO CONDOMS, NO SEX, carry your A$$ HOME!!! 22. Bring your own Drink- I am not your LIQUOR STORE!!!! 23. No phone use please - I don't want anyone calling back looking for your a$$!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67836-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 17:02:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56164 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 17:02:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56152 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 17:02:20 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:01:18 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-206-212-147.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.212.147]; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:02:15 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP DeepThrob at the Inn of the Beginning TONIGHT! At the Inn of the Beginning in Cotati... Deep Throb Dj's Tecni Grant Geddon Shaman more? Come out and dance to some great house, trance, and breaks. No work on wed!!! This is the 2'nd to last party at the inn, so enjoy it while you can! All Ages, located at 8201 Old Redwood HIGHway in cotati. (707)664-1100 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67837-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 17:07:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61287 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 17:07:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61267 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 17:07:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703170741.89131.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Junglist Chris To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010703162146.70558.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: AMD or Intel ? AMD ALL THE WAY BABY!!! No P4 here all AMD MX chipset.... 2 athlons are now better then one! --- SILVIU wrote: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010629/tc/dell_quizzes_customers_on_amd-based_pc_1.html > > :Silviu > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67838-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 17:08:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62485 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 17:07:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62466 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 17:07:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:07:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 17:07:31.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[A53A05E0:01C103E2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SRR Fluffy Bunny A friend forwarded this little mood enhancer to my inbox today. Thought the list would get a kick out of it. Have a nice day - Fluffy sparkling Rasta Bunny A little rabbit is happily running through the forest when he stumbles upon a giraffe rolling a joint. The rabbit looks at her and says, "Giraffe my friend, why do you do this? Come with me running through the forest, you'll see, you'll feel so much better!" The giraffe looks at him, looks at the joint, tosses it and goes off running with the rabbit. Then they come across an elephant doing coke, so the rabbit again says,"Elephant my friend, why do you do this? Think about your health. Come running with us through the pretty forest, you'll see, you'll feel so good!" The elephant looks at them, looks at his razor, mirror and all, then tosses them and starts running with the rabbit and giraffe. The three animals then come across a lion about to shoot up and the rabbit again says, "Lion my friend, why do you do this? Think about your health!...Come running with us through the sunny forest, you will feel so good!" The lion looks at him, puts down his needle, and starts to beat the shit out of the rabbit. As the giraffe and elephant watch in horror, they look at him and ask, "Lion, why did you do this? ... He was merely trying to help us all!" The lion answers, "That little fucker! He makes me run around the forest like an idiot every time he's on ecstasy!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67839-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 17:27:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81054 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 17:27:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80889 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 17:27:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703172730.70110.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SRR: My final observation on the weekend, Imagine vs. Warped Tour I had meant to mention this back when we were all talking about the Warped Tour, but it slipped my mind. Apollo's thread about the large number of pigs harassing the atendees at Imagine reminded me that I wanted to point out the difference and the hipocracy. I saw FAR more OPEN drug use at the Warped Tour saturday afternoon than I did at Imagine friday night. Seems as you could hardly get away from the stage areas without spotting or smelling a circle of peeps passing around a pipe or joint. In fact, there were tents there SELLING pipes and rolling papers! Oh, and the alcohol being served.... oh wait... the beer industry donates millions to the GOP, therefore alcohol's not *really* a drug... mkay. Imagine? Yeah, some people were rolling, but most were discrete and non-obvious about it. Certianly it was nowhere NEAR the Epuddle-fest that Popsikle or Tranceformers were. And yet, the security presence at warped? No roaming, armed rent-a-thugs at warped. The security presence at warped was at the gate (unarmed), at the entrance to the beer gardens (unarmed), and at the stages behind the barricades (also unarmed). The only ARMED security I saw all day were two SFPD that seemed to be just roaming back and forth between the beer gardens. Security at Imagine... Well, yes, in retrospect, it was WAY excessive. I guess I just got so used to the 1015/Maratime thugs that anything less invasive seems light. At warped, a quick patdown on the way in, and you hardly saw another thug all day. Imagine... patdown... not overly invasive like 1015 tho... but metal detectors??? At a partie??? If anything, Warped would have been the place for metal detectors (tho they would be STILL be excessive paranoia there), as the punk rock crowd tends to be rathar more violent (tho not usually malacious) than any partie crowd *I*'ve seen. And ARMED pigs, patrolling a partie... WTF!!! If anyone has EVER ancountered a crowd of ravers so prone to violence that metal detectors and armen rent-a-thugs would have been justified, I'd sure be curious to hear about it. peace john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67840-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 17:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8877 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 17:40:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8817 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 17:40:46 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:51:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] POLICE AND IMAGINE PICTURES I have been called to task, justifiably, for using the term "pig" to describe officers of the law by a person on the list for whom I have much respect. So I must explain. I'm an old time radical and member of a number of marginalized minority groups. My experiences with law enforcement -- I have to me completely honest -- have never been happy. As a civil rights and anti-war activist my comrades and I were regularly insulted and beaten by peace officers. Back in the day before "hate crimes" if one called the police because one was mugged by a gay hater the officers duly sworn to uphold the law, in my experience, treated you as if you caused the beating. As a punk and gay man I was regularly stopped and harassed by enforcement officials. Act Up and Queer nation demonstrations -- poor behaviors by our friends in blue and name calling on all sides. Even the other night I waited hours for the police to come to deal with the destruction of my flag pole and rainbow flag. If we had not called repeatedly and mentioned "hate crime" I think we would still be waiting. Having said this I agree that name calling is never an efficient way to address an issue. Further, I believe in the virtue of compassion even though in this instance I lacked compassion. All people deserve our understanding, respect and compassion. Even our oppressors. Period. There are many good police officers who are attempting to make a difference by enforcing the laws, just or unjust, with intelligence. And there are some who are really IMHO gang members licensed by the state. When I wrote "pig" as the headline I wasn't thinking clearly. I was horrified by the pictures and my mind was on other things. Like how much our community endures these days to hear good music and dance in reasonable venues. There are some of you, I'll bet, who have never been to a commercial party where you haven't been frisked by peace officers. Phil, the friend who took the pictures, and I remember how things were just a few years ago. I would have called you a paranoid crazy if you had told me ten years ago that in the future you would pay $50 for a party and: -be told what kinds of jewelry you could wear and even the type of clothing; -be prohibited from taking breath mints and hard candy into a party; -have your ID scanned into a computer to gain entrance without knowing where your personal data was going and for what use this information is gathered; -have your person violated by being frisked and often be required to remove personal items for inspection and confiscation; -dance surrounded by officers of the law or security who videotape you and watch your every move. One could go on. We hear from promoters that there is a price to pay for great talent and innovative venues. Well, I guess it's up to you to decide what you're willing to endure to dance. If in fact you're even given this information -- disclosure of the requirements -- before you buy your ticket. Me. I've said this before and I'll say it again. I'm tired of being treated like a criminal because I enjoy EDM and have a passion for dance. I'd rather hear home grown talent in a dirty warehouse than world-class DJs in a country club if that means dancing in a police state. Nuff said. By the way, my nickname from the punk days is "pig." My partner still affectionately calls me "piggy." Pigs are highly intelligent, affectionate creatures that make great pets. Much love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67841-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 17:53:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23782 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 17:53:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23772 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 17:53:51 -0000 Message-ID: <003201c103e8$dbb9afc0$6cd0f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "Sfraves" References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:51:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Ghettos and gangstas. I was raised in the lower middle class fringes of suburbia, but I've always had friends from various walks of life, social and ethnic backgrounds, and income brackets. In 1992, I was living with an hispanic friend of mine and we and two other friends (also white suburban types) took a vacation to visit his mother and brother in one of the worst parts of the Bronx. We spent days hanging out with the kids that "ran the block" drinking forties, smoking blunts, listening to music, and basically just having a good time. My friend was older and, as he explained it, had dated most of the mothers of the local gang on good catholic terms when he was a youth. I have to say that I never felt quite so safe and surrounded by love as I did in that ghetto. In a way, it was almost surreal. Constant gunshots, half demolished buildings, graffiti everywhere, children and stray dogs drinking out of fire hydrants, and neverending sirens were the backdrop to one of the tightest and most caring communities that I have ever had the pleasure of witnessing first hand. It was explained to us where we could go and still remain safe. Paraphrased, we were told things like, "Don't go down that way... the Columbians are over there... they're crazy mofos and won't think twice about capping yo ass, and we won't be able to do anything about it." We were looked out for and considered family while we were there. I know that I could go back to that block anytime and be welcomed by the residents. One thing I never felt during this experience was any kind of prejudice either from or toward the people I met. These were people. That's the long and short of it. They were raised and continued to live in an environment that was very different from what I was used to. They grew up around violence and it was a part of life for them, but it was something to be avoided, and they certainly didn't seek it out. I don't know why I tell this story, except that I think it says something about the way we perceive cultures that are different from our own. Unfortunately, the commercialization of the "Gangsta" culture tends to glorify the violence and hardness of the lifestyle rather than the love and community that real gangs have arisen to protect due to socio-economic pressures and repression by our government. Although it has become cliche, it is still true that fear is our worst enemy. Sure, it is true that some people go to parties to raise hell and cause trouble... but you can't blame the actions of individuals on a stereotype. Troublemakers come in all colors and styles. Face your fears and learn to talk to people regardless of what they wear or what music they listen to, or the color of their skin. Invite them into your world. Extend the same love and respect to them that you would to some distant relatives visiting you from another country and culture. Get past the bullshit and you find that people are still people regardless of cultural differences. Without that realization, the notions of peace, love, unity, and respect are nothing but pipe dreams. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenya Ziegenhagen" To: "Sfraves" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: [sfraves] Prejudices > Everyone has prejudices no matter what, that is just a fact of life, but > never have I seen a group that is just so open with them. You all want > people to give you guys a chance, and to look beneath the exterior, yet all > you guys are doing is talking shit about so called "gangsters". You guys > are no better than the people that judge you!! Who cares if "gangsters" go > to a party, everyone is entitled to a little fun in their life, just enjoy > the party the best you know how and stop worrying about what everyone else > is doing or who showed up. Give up the elitist attitude! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67842-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 17:54:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24779 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 17:54:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24738 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 17:54:00 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: kenya.ziegenhagen@believe.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:53:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 17:53:32.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[13288350:01C103E9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: Prejudices I don't think that this is a matter of prejudice, even though I abhor prejudice when I see it around me or experience it myself. You might have a point if your argument is one of pointing out stereotypes. Yes true, not all people that dress like gangbangers are actually gangbanging. But quite often gangbangers and wannabe's tend to start shit, and cop attitudes, when it's not even necessary in a PLUR environment and tend to inject a bad vibe. I think it's perfectly fine for anyone to go a party and enjoy themselves even so called gangbangers, but you have to ask yourself, why would a gangster want to go a party with a bunch of fluffy, sugar-coated, lets-love-everyone partykids wearing huge bellbottom baggies and running around shouting PLUR this and PLUR that? In my eyes everyone is always innocent until they prove themselves guilty, but unfortunately my experience tells me that if you dress like a gangbanger, chances are you act like one too, and I'm not down with the ghetto gangbanging attitudes. It's just my opinion - PG. >From: "Kenya Ziegenhagen" >To: "Sfraves" >Subject: [sfraves] Prejudices >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:44:13 -0700 > >Everyone has prejudices no matter what, that is just a fact of life, but >never have I seen a group that is just so open with them. You all want >people to give you guys a chance, and to look beneath the exterior, yet all >you guys are doing is talking shit about so called "gangsters". You guys >are no better than the people that judge you!! Who cares if "gangsters" go >to a party, everyone is entitled to a little fun in their life, just enjoy >the party the best you know how and stop worrying about what everyone else >is doing or who showed up. Give up the elitist attitude! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67843-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 17:54:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26155 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 17:54:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26144 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 17:54:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:53:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: =?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?= cc: sf , f8 In-Reply-To: <001101c1031d$b3dee9f0$100110ac@thenoid> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and fellow promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party before even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there to know anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt have made this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you heard and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i know you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset at the fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly hurt by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you had even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. laterz kenneth On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eck=F6 wrote: > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm go= na > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I ad= d > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE KEN > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You hel= ped > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of > people wrong this weekend. > > Nick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67844-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 17:57:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31214 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 17:57:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31204 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 17:57:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 03:41:33 -0700 From: Notes from the UG To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010703034133.A29729@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Notes from the UG , sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i Organization: Cogmail, Official Mail Provider to The Corporation Resent-From: regs@nebcorp.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:57:02 -0700 Resent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Resent-Message-Id: <20010703175702.6BF5217F4@pianosa.catch22.org> Resent-Sender: unknown@cogmail.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Urban Wasteland, Part 1: Setup PART 1: SETUP The email said: "Show up at 6 PM." The place where we were told to meet was the loft space of one of the crew. It was the place where the sound system lived. People started trickling in. Everyone knew at least one other person, but there were basically two groups of folks: those of who knew someone on the crew and wanted to lend a hand and then the crew itself. Now the crew was tight; you could tell that they shared a lot of history, that this whole process was old hat and second nature to them. They were relaxed but pretty jazzed about the night. And then there were the rest of us... *really* excited, a little nervous ("Wow! We're hanging with the Urban Wasteland crew!"), and completely clueless. So around 7 PM it was time to load the van. And here's where the experience and competence of the crew really shone threw. Not only was there an order for everything to go into the van, but there exact techniques to get the huge speakers through the loft and into the van. Us neophytes had to fight the urge to lift the heavy speakers and amp rack and listen to voice of experience tell us, "No throwing out your back, we *roll* the speakers into the van." Finally the van is loaded: two big speakers, two big-yet-smaller speakers, a 250 lb. amp rack, two monitor speakers, two speaker stands for the monitors, an amp for the monitor, a coffin with two decks in it, a generator, a couple of record boxes, a cooler or two, a box full of cables, a box full of hardhats, two keyboard stands to hold the coffin, about ten collapsible chairs, and, of course, the mixer. We head to a gas station to fuel up the generator and then we're off to the port. We get there right as the sun is starting to set. Now you have to understand, up until this point, I only intellectually understood the name Urban Wasteland. As the email announce said: Come on out and get your GROOVE on to the phattest sounds of the underground! Frolic on hard concrete among the detritus of Heavy Industry! Inhale Breathtaking Views of the SF Skyline! Marvel at the expanse of it all! I stepped out of my car and was immediately at a loss for words. The site was gorgeous! At that moment it clicked; I was in the Urban Wasteland. The beauty of the site was overwhelming, surrounded on two sides by stacks of containers at least three high, including a hidden parking lot, all bearing the seemingly profound moniker, "CHO YANG". (Which only seems cool because I don't speak Cantonese, but so be it). The open sides of the site looked out to the bay, showing the horse-like cranes in the distant foreground against the hazy skyline of San Francisco and the bridge. And the sun was setting through the bridge... it was a moment I could have drunk in for a long time. All that was running through my head, like a looped sample, was, "This is best place I have ever seen to throw a party," over and over and over again. The setup was very relaxed, with the equipment being setup by around eight or ten people while at least that many milled around smoking and digesting the view. The sound system, having been assembled and hooked up, was ready for a test. The generator, set back around a corner from the sound system, was started. The test plate was spun. Ooops! The right channel is dead. A quick amp reconfiguration fixes it. As the last light of day is running from the sky, the sound system is cranked up and the bass begins to massage my spine, and I get really jazzed. I'm tingling in anticipation of this party. But now it's time to go home. The party doesn't officially start for another 2 hours or so, so me and my friend head back to Berkeley to get our gear for a long night of partying. It's cold and windy and we were not dressed for night outside yet. The 2 hours passes really quickly. We head back down into Oakland to pick up some folks. On the way back to the party, we get a little lost (none us being that familiar with 880 North and port itself, we're not sure which exit to take). After a few wrong turns and some dead reckoning, we make it back into the port. The sun having set, the port is a lot darker than when I got there last. It takes a little bit of work, but we find the container cluster that's holding the party pretty easily. We're directed to our hidden parking by members of the crew wearing hardhats and badges. My parking spot was about 200 ft. from the sound system. All we can hear is generator, which, interestingly enough, does not sound out of place in the port. So the port is lit at night by what are basically really bright streetlights on really tall poles. But this for some reason, in this particular sector, the lights are off; we're hidden in a pool of bass and darkness. It is now 'round midnight. Rounding the corner of the container stack, the bass comes into sonic focus, bathing me in its low frequency goodness and I feel the urge to move. People are already there, framed in silouhette against the sodium vapor stars of the port and the hazy distant skyline of San Francisco. It's breathtaking in a wholly different way than it was while the light of day still shone. A turn to the left reveals the DJ between the speakers, moving to the rhythm of his mix, framed by CHO YANG splayed across the container behind him. The only light at the party comes from a pin spot lighting the mixer and a smattering of pipes and cigarettes. Surreal beauty is a good start on describing the scene. The beats are entering my soul. I'm in the Urban Wasteland and it's time to dance. COMING SOON: Part 2, The Party. followed by Part 3, Busted! -- Notes From The Underground --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67845-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 18:16:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48136 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 18:16:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48046 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 18:16:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [153.18.148.94] From: "sarah qadri" To: svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 11:16:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 18:16:11.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D1FE470:01C103EC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: My final observation on the weekend, Imagine vs. Warped Tour smoking pot. drinking. selling pipes...sounds like pretty much every outdoor event you go to sarah >From: "John B." >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] SRR: My final observation on the weekend, Imagine vs. >Warped Tour >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT) > > >I had meant to mention this back when we were all talking about the Warped >Tour, but it slipped my mind. Apollo's thread about the large number of >pigs >harassing the atendees at Imagine reminded me that I wanted to point out >the >difference and the hipocracy. > >I saw FAR more OPEN drug use at the Warped Tour saturday afternoon than I >did >at Imagine friday night. Seems as you could hardly get away from the stage >areas without spotting or smelling a circle of peeps passing around a pipe >or >joint. In fact, there were tents there SELLING pipes and rolling papers! >Oh, >and the alcohol being served.... oh wait... the beer industry donates >millions >to the GOP, therefore alcohol's not *really* a drug... mkay. > >Imagine? Yeah, some people were rolling, but most were discrete and >non-obvious about it. Certianly it was nowhere NEAR the Epuddle-fest that >Popsikle or Tranceformers were. > >And yet, the security presence at warped? No roaming, armed rent-a-thugs >at >warped. The security presence at warped was at the gate (unarmed), at the >entrance to the beer gardens (unarmed), and at the stages behind the >barricades >(also unarmed). The only ARMED security I saw all day were two SFPD that >seemed to be just roaming back and forth between the beer gardens. > >Security at Imagine... Well, yes, in retrospect, it was WAY excessive. I >guess I just got so used to the 1015/Maratime thugs that anything less >invasive >seems light. > >At warped, a quick patdown on the way in, and you hardly saw another thug >all >day. Imagine... patdown... not overly invasive like 1015 tho... but metal >detectors??? At a partie??? If anything, Warped would have been the place >for >metal detectors (tho they would be STILL be excessive paranoia there), as >the >punk rock crowd tends to be rathar more violent (tho not usually malacious) >than any partie crowd *I*'ve seen. And ARMED pigs, patrolling a partie... >WTF!!! > >If anyone has EVER ancountered a crowd of ravers so prone to violence that >metal detectors and armen rent-a-thugs would have been justified, I'd sure >be >curious to hear about it. > > >peace >john > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67846-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 18:23:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59341 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 18:23:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59318 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 18:23:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:23:35 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010703112334.D25032@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010703172730.70110.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20010703172730.70110.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com>; from svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:27:30AM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: My final observation on the weekend, Imagine vs. Warped Tour ["John B." ] > Security at Imagine... Well, yes, in retrospect, it was WAY excessive. I > guess I just got so used to the 1015/Maratime thugs that anything less invasive > seems light. > > At warped, a quick patdown on the way in, and you hardly saw another thug all > day. Imagine... patdown... not overly invasive like 1015 tho... but metal > detectors??? At a partie??? If anything, Warped would have been the place for > metal detectors (tho they would be STILL be excessive paranoia there), as the > punk rock crowd tends to be rathar more violent (tho not usually malacious) > than any partie crowd *I*'ve seen. And ARMED pigs, patrolling a partie... > WTF!!! > > If anyone has EVER ancountered a crowd of ravers so prone to violence that > metal detectors and armen rent-a-thugs would have been justified, I'd sure be > curious to hear about it. Let me preface this by saying that I agree that security at Imagine was excessive. Especially in light of the fact that it caused people to have to wait in line a long time for an event that was pretty short to begin with and was cut even shorter. But let's break it down: 1) Armed guards. Unity didn't hire armed guards. Those are the Sheriff's deputies that guard the building during the day when someone isn't throwing a rave there. They are always armed. There's nothing special about that. 2) Metal detectors. Now I'm *not* sure about this, as I've never been to this particular building at any other time (can someone confirm this one way or the other?), but that security looked to me to the standard setup for a government building. Not any different than, say, City Hall in Chicago or even the county courthouse in the small county in IL where I went to high school. I would bet that those security measures are required by the city for *anyone* having a party there. 3) Seizure of rave toys. (No fucking way am I going to call that stuff drug paraphenelia). They had to. As you can see, that decision New Orleans changes everything. Although, according to the cops, glowsticks were banned because of the possible of breakage. Who knows what the truth is? Now the things that seem to be a little much: 1) Videotaping people. I'm very curious to find out what that was about. I think that the interesting thing is that they let it happen at all. A week earlier there was Pride party in the same space, which evidently was a much bigger mess than Imagine (drunk people are like that). They didn't have to let Unity have the space, and yet they did. The thing to remember is that people and especially the government get a little sqeechy whenever there are kids involved. If this was 18+, it might have been different. If this was 21+ it would have been very different. When a bunch of "adults" get together, the government tends to pay less attention. -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67847-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 18:37:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72645 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 18:37:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72635 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 18:37:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: snowhuoue@mindspring.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:37:18 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 18:37:18.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[307DC360:01C103EF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Ghettos and gangstas. >From: "A. Nonymous" >To: "Sfraves" >Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Ghettos and gangstas. >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:51:57 -0700 > > >Unfortunately, the commercialization of the "Gangsta" culture tends to >glorify the violence and hardness of the lifestyle rather than the love and >community that real gangs have arisen to protect due to socio-economic >pressures and repression by our government. > I agree with everything you said up until this point. "Love and community"? "repression by our government"?? Are you kidding me? There is no justification for gangbanging. I think at this point it might be good to make some distinctions. There are those that were brought up in the ghettos who are good people, they work hard, they do good, and they live honorably, and they are progressing and improving their circumstance. There's nothing wrong with this. But there are those that live in the ghetto's who belong to gangs. They pilfer, push, mug, commit murder, and so on. What does any of that have to do with Love, Community and government repression? People living in urban ghetto's have it hard no doubt, but the vast majority live honorably. What gangbangers do is criminal. There's just no way to justify drive by's, and the killing innocent people no matter what your station of life may be. PG _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67848-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 18:44:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81517 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 18:44:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81506 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 18:44:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.118.151] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: staff@technorepublic.net Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:44:04 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 18:44:04.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[22796520:01C103F0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area:One Music Festival Yeah, I'll be there. I am also a fan of the underground HH. Anything that puts truth into people I dig. Tribe, Aceyalne, the former Co. Flow, even Outkast though they ain't under no more.........What about some trip hop, DJ Shadow: Pre-emptive strike.....even though there really are no words in this album I get a lot of insight from it. I recommend it. -+>Third Eye Alive!<+- j- >Anyone going to this wonderful concert? Besides me? Is anyone on this >list >even interested in underground hip hop (Aceyalone, Beetnuts, Blackalicious, >Dilated Peoples, D-stroy, Apathy, Roots, Living Legends, Reflection >Eternal, >Slum Village, Souls of Mischief, Zion I, etc)??? > >Area:One >July:31st:2001 > >Moby >Outkast >New Order >The Roots >Derrick May >Juan Atkins >Timo Maas >The Orb >Rhinocerose >Kevin Saunderson > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67849-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 18:46:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85987 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 18:46:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85977 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 18:46:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703184617.53254.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: Greg Sandler , ~~mirage~~ Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <001a01c10399$6a995d80$1101000a@litterbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions --- Greg Sandler wrote: > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a > racist. Infact, due to my > heritage, I know first hand about the evils > associated with prejudices. All > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions > does not attract the > people that this person was referring to as > "gangsters." How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers "everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets better?? Do the people get anything different with a more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? This being the > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and > we are going to put > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote > harder than we EVER have > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. Easy there Bill Graham.... How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? mass polution = money for you! expliotation of the music = money for you! selling your soul to the devil = money for you! promoting to everyone and thier dog = money for you! ruining the bay area dance scene = problem for us! It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the scene....right?? Keep it alive Greg! peace, cj ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67850-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 18:51:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92401 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 18:51:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92391 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 18:51:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [153.18.148.94] From: "sarah qadri" To: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 11:50:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 18:50:28.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[07597770:01C103F1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i would promote the shit out of it too... sarah >From: Switch >To: Greg Sandler , ~~mirage~~ > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a > > racist. Infact, due to my > > heritage, I know first hand about the evils > > associated with prejudices. All > > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions > > does not attract the > > people that this person was referring to as > > "gangsters." > > How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers >"everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions >are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap >tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets >better?? Do the people get anything different with a >more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting >taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times >before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? > > This being the > > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and > > we are going to put > > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote > > harder than we EVER have > > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. > > >Easy there Bill Graham.... > >How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? > >mass polution = money for you! > >expliotation of the music = money for you! > >selling your soul to the devil = money for you! > >promoting to everyone and thier dog = money for you! > >ruining the bay area dance scene = problem for us! > > >It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the >scene....right?? > >Keep it alive Greg! > > >peace, > >cj > > > > > > > >===== >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > >http://www.resourcerecords.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67851-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 18:51:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93681 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 18:51:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93668 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 18:51:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703185140.20715.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: sarah qadri , ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions --- sarah qadri wrote: > > well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i > would promote the shit > out of it too... > > sarah Why??? cj ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67852-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 18:52:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94980 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 18:52:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94970 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 18:52:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:51:19 -0700 Message-Id: <200107031851.LAA21855@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [64.162.28.188] From: "Bree Zee" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, kenya.ziegenhagen@believe.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Prejudices You know what? I so feel you on this one...I've been going to raves since 1992..I've seen the changes in style and heard it in the music..Some you like and dislike but you eventually accept because people have different taste and styles...But I overheard some people @ a recent event referring to "us" my click as homies, thugs, gangstas, whateva..and why are they here??...what??!! Why??Just because our style of dress is not "candy" or "raverish"?? (Not that there's anything wrong with that..I respect it..)Just because some of us were in SF jerseys, hats(representin as always) or cornrows? First I was a bit offended because we were being sterotyped but then I had to laugh cuz these kids don't know me/us or what we're about..we were all there for the same reason(hopefully) the music...our style of dress may have been inspired by the hip hop culture, (shoot I grew up listening to hip hop) but that doesnt make us gangstas...it goes back to the saying" dont judge a book by its cover! "...I just had to share that since I was sterotyped at a rave by some people who say they're all about PLUR then go and talk mad sh*t about another type of group..Those kids weren't even knowin...under all that exterior....was a junglist... :)breezy > "Kenya Ziegenhagen" "Sfraves" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:44:13 -0700 > [sfraves] Prejudices >Everyone has prejudices no matter what, that is just a fact of life, but >never have I seen a group that is just so open with them. You all want >people to give you guys a chance, and to look beneath the exterior, yet all >you guys are doing is talking shit about so called "gangsters". You guys >are no better than the people that judge you!! Who cares if "gangsters" go >to a party, everyone is entitled to a little fun in their life, just enjoy >the party the best you know how and stop worrying about what everyone else >is doing or who showed up. Give up the elitist attitude! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67853-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 18:56:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98580 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 18:56:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98570 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 18:56:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:55:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: sarah qadri cc: , , , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions if you were throwing a party with frankie bones you shouldnt have to promote it... kenneth On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, sarah qadri wrote: > > well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i would promote the shit > out of it too... > > sarah > > >From: Switch > >To: Greg Sandler , ~~mirage~~ > > > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a > > > racist. Infact, due to my > > > heritage, I know first hand about the evils > > > associated with prejudices. All > > > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions > > > does not attract the > > > people that this person was referring to as > > > "gangsters." > > > > How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers > >"everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions > >are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap > >tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets > >better?? Do the people get anything different with a > >more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting > >taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times > >before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? > > > > This being the > > > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and > > > we are going to put > > > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote > > > harder than we EVER have > > > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. > > > > > >Easy there Bill Graham.... > > > >How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? > > > >mass polution = money for you! > > > >expliotation of the music = money for you! > > > >selling your soul to the devil = money for you! > > > >promoting to everyone and thier dog = money for you! > > > >ruining the bay area dance scene = problem for us! > > > > > >It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the > >scene....right?? > > > >Keep it alive Greg! > > > > > >peace, > > > >cj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > > > >http://www.resourcerecords.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67854-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:02:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4911 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:02:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4891 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:02:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703190218.17307.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mikey J Reply-To: mijo976@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: 15th Street Sessions today and every Tuesday there after 3:30 to 5:30 PM PST live DnB from my living room http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/15street.asp requests, rewinds, trainspotters welcome AIM- michaelj976 ICQ- 121861350 EZ mikey J selekta.com "turn your learn on" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67855-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:08:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9711 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:08:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9701 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:08:02 -0000 Message-ID: <005e01c103f3$e14a8c60$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Kenneth Bice" , "sarah qadri" Cc: , , , References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:10:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions That's a nice thought and in a rave scene where people actually know about music that would be true..But I'm willing to bet most of these people in the scene and on this list don't even know who Frankie Bones is and couldn't tell us what he has done for the scene or even what genre he is in.. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Bice" To: "sarah qadri" Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > if you were throwing a party with frankie bones you shouldnt have to > promote it... > > kenneth > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, sarah qadri wrote: > > > > > well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i would promote the shit > > out of it too... > > > > sarah > > > > >From: Switch > > >To: Greg Sandler , ~~mirage~~ > > > > > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a > > > > racist. Infact, due to my > > > > heritage, I know first hand about the evils > > > > associated with prejudices. All > > > > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions > > > > does not attract the > > > > people that this person was referring to as > > > > "gangsters." > > > > > > How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers > > >"everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions > > >are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap > > >tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets > > >better?? Do the people get anything different with a > > >more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting > > >taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times > > >before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? > > > > > > This being the > > > > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and > > > > we are going to put > > > > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote > > > > harder than we EVER have > > > > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. > > > > > > > > >Easy there Bill Graham.... > > > > > >How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? > > > > > >mass polution = money for you! > > > > > >expliotation of the music = money for you! > > > > > >selling your soul to the devil = money for you! > > > > > >promoting to everyone and thier dog = money for you! > > > > > >ruining the bay area dance scene = problem for us! > > > > > > > > >It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the > > >scene....right?? > > > > > >Keep it alive Greg! > > > > > > > > >peace, > > > > > >cj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > > > > > >http://www.resourcerecords.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67856-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:12:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16387 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:12:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16377 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:12:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" Cc: "sf" , "f8" References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:12:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 19:11:36.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB0AF4A0:01C103F3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> I am going to make this short and simple... I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called "them song") Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Bice" To: "Eckö" Cc: "sf" ; "f8" Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and fellow > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party before > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there to know > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt have made > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you heard > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i know > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset at the > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly hurt > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you had > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > laterz > kenneth > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm gona > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I add > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE KEN > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You helped > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > Nick > > > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67857-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:15:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21861 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:15:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21850 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:15:00 -0000 Message-ID: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Cheese" Cc: "sf" , "f8" References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:17:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit...Nuff said Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: "Eckö" Cc: "sf" ; "f8" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > I am going to make this short and simple... > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called "them > song") > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Bice" > To: "Eckö" > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and fellow > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party before > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there to know > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt have made > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you heard > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i know > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset at the > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly hurt > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you had > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > laterz > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm > gona > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I > add > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE > KEN > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You > helped > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > majordomo@squinky.org > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67858-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:19:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24788 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:19:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24778 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:19:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:18:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: =?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?= cc: Kenneth Bice , sarah qadri , resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <005e01c103f3$e14a8c60$100110ac@thenoid> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions then why bother booking him for a crowd that can't appreciate? On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eck=F6 wrote: >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:10:49 -0700 >From: "[iso-8859-1] Eck=F6" >To: Kenneth Bice , sarah qadri >Cc: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.n= et, > sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > >That's a nice thought and in a rave scene where people actually know about >music that would be true..But I'm willing to bet most of these people in t= he >scene and on this list don't even know who Frankie Bones is and couldn't >tell us what he has done for the scene or even what genre he is in.. >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kenneth Bice" >To: "sarah qadri" >Cc: ; ; >; >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:55 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > >> if you were throwing a party with frankie bones you shouldnt have to >> promote it... >> >> kenneth >> >> On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, sarah qadri wrote: >> >> > >> > well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i would promote the >shit >> > out of it too... >> > >> > sarah >> > >> > >From: Switch >> > >To: Greg Sandler , ~~mirage~~ >> > > >> > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions >> > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) >> > > >> > > >> > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: >> > > > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a >> > > > racist. Infact, due to my >> > > > heritage, I know first hand about the evils >> > > > associated with prejudices. All >> > > > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions >> > > > does not attract the >> > > > people that this person was referring to as >> > > > "gangsters." >> > > >> > > How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers >> > >"everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions >> > >are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap >> > >tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets >> > >better?? Do the people get anything different with a >> > >more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting >> > >taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times >> > >before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? >> > > >> > > This being the >> > > > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and >> > > > we are going to put >> > > > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote >> > > > harder than we EVER have >> > > > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. >> > > >> > > >> > >Easy there Bill Graham.... >> > > >> > >How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? >> > > >> > >mass polution =3D money for you! >> > > >> > >expliotation of the music =3D money for you! >> > > >> > >selling your soul to the devil =3D money for you! >> > > >> > >promoting to everyone and thier dog =3D money for you! >> > > >> > >ruining the bay area dance scene =3D problem for us! >> > > >> > > >> > >It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the >> > >scene....right?? >> > > >> > >Keep it alive Greg! >> > > >> > > >> > >peace, >> > > >> > >cj >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music >> > > >> > >http://www.resourcerecords.com >> > > >> > >__________________________________________________ >> > >Do You Yahoo!? >> > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> > > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67859-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:22:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27943 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:22:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27931 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:22:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.206.211] From: "K Gray" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:21:51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 19:21:51.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[69B476F0:01C103F5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Coolworld and their shady ways....this is long Time for me to come out of the woodwork. Macadio asserts: >With Throwing Big parties Yes there are countless things that can go >wrong we as Party people/Ravers know this. But to say "Yea since I throw >massives I can be shady and Charge you $50 for my party and $20 to park >cause after all this party is costing me $250,000 to throw but I stand to >make about $500,000 gross sales". Just cause your party is big and >expensive does not validate inapropiate behavior. So can things go wrong >yes, does that give you right to do something crooked or underhanded NO. Exactly. I have organized VERY LARGE (50,000 - 500,000 people) events for the past 10 years and have worked on very large events for most of my life (since I first volunteered for a festival when I was 14). Although Shannon asserts that "shady things happen all the time," I think she is confusing "shady" with "unforeseen problems". Yes, things go wrong. Yes, talent doesn't show up. (BTW, Professional managers offer alternative talent. Most organizers work with professional talent managers or agents, not directly with the talent. Did you know that almost all professional DJs have managers? Just like Madonna or Eminem.)Yes, traffic backs up and people get cranky. But there are proven ways to retain the goodwill of your audience after some of the problems occur. We post signage when headliners or talent have to cancel. I have always provided free water. I have always paid my bills. No one has been hurt or arrested at one of my events (knock on wood.) Most of my events are free. People come back to my events every year. I have never organized a large rave. Why would I? Think about it. Is the problem with the integrity of the organizers, the expectations of the audience or that the nature of the events encourages hyperbole, dishonesty, and creative thinking (which often excludes accountability or completeness?) Or maybe a little bit of all three. K _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67860-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:25:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32497 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:25:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32365 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:25:30 -0000 Message-ID: <006601c103f5$a88f29b0$6cd0f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "His Highness" , References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:23:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Ghettos and gangstas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "His Highness" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Ghettos and gangstas. > > > > > I wrote: > > > >Unfortunately, the commercialization of the "Gangsta" culture tends to > >glorify the violence and hardness of the lifestyle rather than the love and > >community that real gangs have arisen to protect due to socio-economic > >pressures and repression by our government. > > > His Highness wrote: > > I agree with everything you said up until this point. "Love and community"? > "repression by our government"?? Are you kidding me? There is no > justification for gangbanging. I think at this point it might be good to > make some distinctions. I'm not kidding at all, but, yes, it would be good to make some distinctions... Maybe we should clarify what "gangbanging" is. The perspective that is shared by most people whose only real exposure to the gang culture has been through the media is very different from the perspective shared by the people that actually engage in such activity. In my experience, which I recounted in some detail, the gang wasn't at all focused on murder or mugging or theft. They primarily existed to protect themselves and their loved ones. They even expressed that fairly clearly when I asked point blank. Selling drugs is about the most lucrative business that an inner city youth with a ghetto education can engage in. I talked to one guy in particular that supported himself, his mother, and his three younger brothers by being a successful black market merchant. His mother worked, but didn't make one tenth of what this 16 year old child did. Without his income, they would not have been able to afford rent and food. Most of the violence engaged in by gangs is between themselves. Turf struggles and retribution are the biggest motivators. Violence is accepted more freely as a natural part of life simply because it is a natural part of life in that environment. And, yes... that violence does leak outside of their culture, but all-in-all, relatively infrequently despite the fact that that's the only time we hear about it on the news. > There are those that were brought up in the ghettos > who are good people, they work hard, they do good, and they live honorably, > and they are progressing and improving their circumstance. There's nothing > wrong with this. But there are those that live in the ghetto's who belong to > gangs. They pilfer, push, mug, commit murder, and so on. What does any of > that have to do with Love, Community and government repression? People > living in urban ghetto's have it hard no doubt, but the vast majority live > honorably. What gangbangers do is criminal. There's just no way to justify > drive by's, and the killing innocent people no matter what your station of > life may be. I'm not trying to justify drive-bys or the killing of innocents, and I'm not oblivious to the fact that it happens. But the fact of the matter is that gangs haven't arisen because there were innocent people to kill. Gangs exist primarily because poverty exists. There are some very good arguments that the goverment does indeed perpetuate poverty, and there would be no point in my reiterating what other people have surely expressed better than I can. Often, kids that grow up in an impoverished community don't feel that they have any choice but to join a gang. There is safety and (relative) abundance in numbers. During my stay in the Bronx I met an 11 year old child who had just been given the nickname "Whip." He earned the moniker by being pistol whipped about the noggin at a house party. (The bandages on his head were still new when I met him.) He was a gangbanger. I won't sit in judgement of him for joining a gang, and I won't sit in judgement of him for engaging in activities that would gain respect for him among his peers. For him, it is a matter of survival. The fact is that now, nine years later, it is as likely as not that he is dead. You know what though? He was a beautiful child that loved his pet cat (a stray kitten he found) more than anything. Good people do bad things when they feel that they have to in order to survive. In any case, my point isn't that we should accept murder and mayhem... but that we should accept that people are people. If you want to help put an end to the violence, extend your love and understanding to the people you don't think deserve it. If you do, you might be pleasantly surprised to learn that they accept it and return it with more appreciation and sincerity than you would ever expect. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67861-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:26:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36918 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:26:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36862 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:26:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703192612.10235.qmail@web3901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: erin To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] area51/rave/gangstas! okay this kinda hit a nerve with me! for one in my personal opinion AREA 51 is not a rave(as with cyberfest, metropolis etc), there is nothing UG about it whatsoever! if you are throwing a party that big obviously you are going to overpromote it, ive seen many harmony parties over promoteed for, then there is the ones that are totally UG that prob half of us don't even know about! im not trying to single out harmony or greg sandler , i happen to think his parties i have attended in the past were very cool! everyone over promotes for their parties, its a waste of paper to me but whatever, they fork out the cash to print it out and get runners to put them everywhere so be it! but how can you single out gangsters just for this party(that whole south bay thing esp, being from there and all)? gangstas go to all sorts of parties, i know people who look like total thugs, who party and have a great time and a great vibe, not too mention are SOBER! i would just think the only "gangsters" that will attend will be the ones who actually anjoying going to raves! or the ones that will fork out the cash for the tickets! i doubnt itllbring that many out, as cyberfest will with all your all whole eminem debate( who i will be seeing cuz he is damn hot,even though i do wonder what kind of crowd he will draw)... being "ravers" as a whole we should not jugle people on how they look or dress, just because they dont have on big pants and candy does not mean they arent there for the same reason you are...not saying there isnt people out there who do go for the wrong reasons, like to sell poor kids bunk drugs, or even worse cut drugs.. i will be at area 51, in the local showcase, probably drunk off my ass loving it! plus if it is where i was rumored it is i got to go see how they do this! hope you all have a happy 4th! ~erin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67862-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:29:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40328 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:29:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40310 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:29:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703192914.47475.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Edwards To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (GOT ACID?)F#@kn DDR @ STEREOPHONIK 1 Year 7/11 Next Week Stereophonik welcomes BACK DDR.DDR will be performing a live acid PA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This will be our One Year Anniversary so dont miss it. Lineup: DDR(Smitten, Stay Up Forever,COSHH,Hazchem)live PA Keith Edwards vs Damon(solid grooves tag style) Amber(iamthdj.com) Blair(Stereophonik) 7$ @ door 18+ 417 S. First St San Jose(The Cactus) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67863-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:34:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44864 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:34:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44851 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:34:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703193428.52784.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:34:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Keith Edwards , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010703192914.47475.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1804289383-994188868=:52763" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (GOT ACID?)F#@kn DDR @ STEREOPHONIK 1 Year 7/11 --0-1804289383-994188868=:52763 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii okay, so I don't think I've seen Keith smile like the last time DDR played =) If you have never been to Stereophonic before, do not miss this show!!! Watch these guys freak out to the acidy sounds of DDR and Amber, freak out man, freak OUT!! hehe, cant wait! Jess Keith Edwards wrote: Next Week Stereophonik welcomes BACK DDR.DDR will be performing a live acid PA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This will be our One Year Anniversary so dont miss it. Lineup: DDR(Smitten, Stay Up Forever,COSHH,Hazchem)live PA Keith Edwards vs Damon(solid grooves tag style) Amber(iamthdj.com) Blair(Stereophonik) 7$ @ door 18+ 417 S. First St San Jose(The Cactus) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1804289383-994188868=:52763-- From sfraves-return-67864-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:40:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49260 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:40:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49244 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:40:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" Cc: "sf" , "f8" References: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:40:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 19:40:21.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEEF5DF0:01C103F7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the party to the list, you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own bussiness, OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i recall, you weren't even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would you need to send such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an asshole! and your right, I don't know you... and i have no intentions of ever meeting someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that you actually still go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually throw them... and you have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call your crew "Unity Vibe Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around and KICKING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine the Vibe at your party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked everytime you sit down from being too tired from dancing... You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eckö" To: "Cheese" Cc: "sf" ; "f8" Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit...Nuff > said > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheese" > To: "Eckö" > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called "them > > song") > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > To: "Eckö" > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and > fellow > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party > before > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there to > know > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt have > made > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you > heard > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i know > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset at > the > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly hurt > > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you had > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > laterz > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm > > gona > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money > hungry > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I > > add > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE > > KEN > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's > and > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You > > helped > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot > of > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67865-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:41:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50854 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:41:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50818 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:41:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" Cc: "sf" , "f8" References: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:41:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 19:41:15.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F03A5B0:01C103F8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> And how does that make me a "Dip Shit"? Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eckö" To: "Cheese" Cc: "sf" ; "f8" Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit...Nuff > said > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheese" > To: "Eckö" > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called "them > > song") > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > To: "Eckö" > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and > fellow > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party > before > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there to > know > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt have > made > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you > heard > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i know > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset at > the > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly hurt > > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you had > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > laterz > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm > > gona > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money > hungry > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I > > add > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE > > KEN > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's > and > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You > > helped > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot > of > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67866-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:47:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56938 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:47:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56904 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:47:12 -0000 Message-ID: <007901c103f9$67742710$3702000a@netcorps.com> From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: "Mike Migurski" , "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" Cc: "Kenneth Bice" , "sarah qadri" , , , , References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:50:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions how about to educate the crowd? I'd say for the most part, people who attend our events didn't know Gaetano Parisio was before we booked him, nor did they know who Dj Rush was. I 'd hope they know now. -jer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "Eckö" Cc: "Kenneth Bice" ; "sarah qadri" ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > then why bother booking him for a crowd that can't appreciate? > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:10:49 -0700 > >From: "[iso-8859-1] Eckö" > >To: Kenneth Bice , sarah qadri > >Cc: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.net, > > sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > > >That's a nice thought and in a rave scene where people actually know about > >music that would be true..But I'm willing to bet most of these people in the > >scene and on this list don't even know who Frankie Bones is and couldn't > >tell us what he has done for the scene or even what genre he is in.. > >Nick > >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >http://www.core-nrg.net > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kenneth Bice" > >To: "sarah qadri" > >Cc: ; ; > >; > >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:55 AM > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > > > > >> if you were throwing a party with frankie bones you shouldnt have to > >> promote it... > >> > >> kenneth > >> > >> On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, sarah qadri wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i would promote the > >shit > >> > out of it too... > >> > > >> > sarah > >> > > >> > >From: Switch > >> > >To: Greg Sandler , ~~mirage~~ > >> > > > >> > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >> > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > >> > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > >> > > > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a > >> > > > racist. Infact, due to my > >> > > > heritage, I know first hand about the evils > >> > > > associated with prejudices. All > >> > > > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions > >> > > > does not attract the > >> > > > people that this person was referring to as > >> > > > "gangsters." > >> > > > >> > > How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers > >> > >"everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions > >> > >are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap > >> > >tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets > >> > >better?? Do the people get anything different with a > >> > >more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting > >> > >taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times > >> > >before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? > >> > > > >> > > This being the > >> > > > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and > >> > > > we are going to put > >> > > > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote > >> > > > harder than we EVER have > >> > > > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >Easy there Bill Graham.... > >> > > > >> > >How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? > >> > > > >> > >mass polution = money for you! > >> > > > >> > >expliotation of the music = money for you! > >> > > > >> > >selling your soul to the devil = money for you! > >> > > > >> > >promoting to everyone and thier dog = money for you! > >> > > > >> > >ruining the bay area dance scene = problem for us! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the > >> > >scene....right?? > >> > > > >> > >Keep it alive Greg! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >peace, > >> > > > >> > >cj > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >===== > >> > >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > >> > > > >> > >http://www.resourcerecords.com > >> > > > >> > >__________________________________________________ > >> > >Do You Yahoo!? > >> > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >> > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > > > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67867-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:48:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62226 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:48:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62215 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:48:29 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:47:14 -0700 From: Maytag To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Jungle Soundclash TONIGHT in SF - 18+ (bsp) Tuesday, July 2nd @ Sno-Drift -- the special Holiday Smashdown FORMAT: ============= 8 DJs 30 Minute Sets One Champion PLAYERS: ============= Rinse (BassKru/Compound Recs, SF) Karl K (DSCI4/Koldfront, Philly) Method One (Atlantiq, SF) Kaos (Atlantiq, SF) Megatron (ASR/Mechasoul, SF) Ivry (Compound Recs, SF) Hak (Black Pearl, SJ) Satori One (SF) With special guest MC CHILD (The Top, SF) 2step in the lounge with Dom Some (Forward Thought, SF) INFO: ============= 18+, 21 to drink 1830 3rd Street (take 15 or 22 Muni line) Brand New Sound System Outdoor Smoking Lounge 415.431.4766 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67868-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:49:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63635 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:49:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63530 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:49:02 -0000 Message-ID: <009b01c103f8$deff98b0$6cd0f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , References: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:46:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> Yawn. With all the bullshit that surrounded this party before it went off, I'm not at all surprised by the bullshit we are seeing in its aftermath.... Peace? Love? Unity? Respect? Where? Can we just get on with life now? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: "Eckö" Cc: "sf" ; "f8" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > And how does that make me a "Dip Shit"? > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eckö" > To: "Cheese" > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your > > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit...Nuff > > said > > Nick > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cheese" > > To: "Eckö" > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called > "them > > > song") > > > > > > Timothy > > > **Cheese** > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > To: "Eckö" > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and > > fellow > > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party > > before > > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there to > > know > > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt have > > made > > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you > > heard > > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i > know > > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset at > > the > > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly hurt > > > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you > had > > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... > I'm > > > gona > > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money > > hungry > > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might > I > > > add > > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF > COURSE > > > KEN > > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's > > and > > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that > You > > > helped > > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your > my > > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot > > of > > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67869-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:49:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64582 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:49:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64549 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:49:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.116.188] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:48:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 19:48:43.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A334E30:01C103F9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] mixin it up (Area 51 vr. ghetto massives) How do you tell what a ganster looks like? Do they wear rags at raves? Never seen it. Or do they fit the stereotype of what a thug looks like? Is that what a gangster is to you? If you kids stare and show fear to them, they will eat you up. I suggest you guys be strong and stop acting like weak little bitches. If your so concerned about the "gangsters" at a massive then 1) don't go, 2) Don't wear foo foo gear and they'll more than likely ignore you. In fact you might get to know one and find that a majority of them are out there to have a good time like everyone else because RAVES are an escape from the real world, a place where it's ok not to be an asshole if that's your daily routine. Freakfest on the other hand is not a Rave in that respect, It's a huge ass club and there will be a lot of bullisht breaking out. I don't know but the biggest gangters and pimps are the freaken promoters of these massives. Selling water for $3.00 a pop obviously means they ONLY WANT TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF YOU!!! They take advantage of everyone because they can get away with it. Reminds me of the mafia....organized money hungry gangsters and pimps. Off the true subject for a moment, I did attend Metropolis but it was solely for the Talent that was booked and the venue it was being held at. I didn't mind partying in the sun either. I consciously LET THEM make money off of me. Back to the subject, Gangsters in numbers will not be in affect @ Area 51 I feel. Freakfest and Cyberfest hmmm maybe but I guess we'll just have to let it ride and see how it goes, then all you guys should make your final opinions. This reminds me of "REMEMBER THE TITANS" w/Denzel Washington. Those white kids really hated the black ones....until they got to know them although in the streets it's hard to get to know a gangster. But at a rave there is atleast an opportunity. J- >Well, I'm not talking no sh*t, but if you want to see bad things happen at >a >so called "RAVE", when all the differents scenes(including HIPHOP) gets >mixed together, then go to CYBERFEST. Eminem, D12, then a whole lot dj's. >This crowd is going to be "MIXED UP", and I just have a feeling that things >are going to go very bad. >Now if you want to go to a nice massive where you dont have to worry too >much about getting jacked, stabbed, jumped, or bunked, then go to AREA 51. >This will not have the gehtto vibe, and is going to be on phat asssed off >the heebee party! >Thank you greg for putting together on tight party!!! I cant wait!!!!! >Craig >Ps. I do fear "gangsters" in large numbers! > > > >>it would probably be a wonderful thing if those "gangsters" you fear so >>much >>*did* attend not only area 51 but other events, too, and vice versa. most >>raves are predominantly white and asian in their ethnicity, and most >>hip-hop >>events are latino and black. it'd be nice to mix it up a little more. >>regardless of race, though, why not try a walk on "the other side" just >>once, and perhaps at least appreciate another flavor of music and style? >> >>all this segregationist spirit is so fucking sad, and doesn't help anyone, >>and certainly doesn't help spread the much-touted PLUR that is not acted >>on >>enough. and music does have power - they say it's a universal language, >>so >>perhaps it could help unite more in this universe. >> >>share the music share the beats and share some love. it won't hurt, >>really. >> >> >>*-----Original Message----- >>*From: Greg Sandler [mailto:ascend@ix.netcom.com] >>*Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:45 PM >>*To: Mr.G Man >>*Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>*Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions (stop the >>*madness) >>* >>* >>*ummm I don't think any of our attractions will ever attract these >>*"gangsters" to our event. From our line up, to the look of the >>*flyer, to the >>*messages on the voicemails our event is not geared towards the >>"gangsters" >>*you are referring to. So EVEN IF, they saw a million posters, 500,000 >>*flyers, and a sticker on one of their hommies' slammed rides, they still >>*would not go to our event. (simply due to the style of the event.) >>* >>*I see tons of promotion for hip hop and rap shows, yet for some reason, I >>*have never been... Maybe they aren't my style of shows. >>* >>*Get it? >>* >>*Peace and love, >>* >>*Greg Sandler >>*> yea i seen area 51 posters all over san jose, in >>*> front of my summer school, paramounts imports, even >>*> downtown. do you guys really want gangsters at the >>*> party? >>*> >>*> i even seen posters on cars. reminds me of LA >>*> promoters. give it a break already, we all know about >>*> the party. promote to ravers. >>*> >>*> gman _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67870-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 19:54:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71820 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 19:54:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71809 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 19:54:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "A. Nonymous" , "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , References: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> <009b01c103f8$deff98b0$6cd0f7a5@sauoq> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:54:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 19:54:17.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1994BA0:01C103F9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> I went to this party and had an AWESOME time! I had more fun at 33by120 than i did @ imagine, and that is a damn fact! the only bullshit that is surrounding this party is the bullshit caused by Nick / Dj Eckö.... Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Nonymous" To: "Eckö" ; Sent: July 03, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > Yawn. > > With all the bullshit that surrounded this party before it went off, I'm not > at all surprised by the bullshit we are seeing in its aftermath.... > > Peace? Love? Unity? Respect? Where? > > Can we just get on with life now? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheese" > To: "Eckö" > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:41 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > And how does that make me a "Dip Shit"? > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eckö" > > To: "Cheese" > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your > > > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit...Nuff > > > said > > > Nick > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cheese" > > > To: "Eckö" > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called > > "them > > > > song") > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > **Cheese** > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and > > > fellow > > > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party > > > before > > > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there > to > > > know > > > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt > have > > > made > > > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you > > > heard > > > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i > > know > > > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset > at > > > the > > > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly > hurt > > > > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you > > had > > > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... > > I'm > > > > gona > > > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money > > > hungry > > > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost > up > > > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed > might > > I > > > > add > > > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF > > COURSE > > > > KEN > > > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the > dj's > > > and > > > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that > > You > > > > helped > > > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken > your > > my > > > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did > allot > > > of > > > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67871-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:11:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86002 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:11:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85991 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:11:55 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org CC: "sf" , "f8" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:06:35 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-198-206-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.206.67]; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:11:39 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: Re: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> At Tuesday, 3 July 2001, "Cheese" wrote: >You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok, I must know. Why the *? Everyone knows that you're saying FUCK. To my knowledge there is no censorship here. I guess it doesn't really matter, but I'm just curious. I see this a lot. When I mean fuck, I just come out and say fuck. Do you bleep yourself IRL? "holy it's hot out today!" well fuck fuckidy fuck. exactly how many times did I say "fuck" in this email? Seven to be exact, we've still got 3 more to go... This reminds me of the southpark episode where they said "shit" on television. Also reminds me of the "uses of fuck" thing that you can find on mp3 anywhere. (don't know where the fuck it's from though) Thanks to all for putting up with my ranting. Baked, Not Fuck, Shaman >Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the party to the list, >you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own bussiness, >OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i recall, you weren't >even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > >Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would you need to send >such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an asshole! > >and your right, I don't know you... and i have no intentions of ever meeting >someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that you actually still >go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually throw them. . and you >have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call your crew "Unity Vibe >Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around and KICKING THE >PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine the Vibe at your >party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked everytime you sit down >from being too tired from dancing... > > >Timothy >**Cheese** >itswidow@hotmail.com >http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eckö" >To: "Cheese" >Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM >Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > >> Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your >> business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit. .Nuff >> said >> Nick >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> http://www.core-nrg.net >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cheese" >> To: "Eckö" >> Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >> >> >> > I am going to make this short and simple... >> > >> > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! >> > >> > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called >"them >> > song") >> > >> > Timothy >> > **Cheese** >> > itswidow@hotmail.com >> > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Kenneth Bice" >> > To: "Eckö" >> > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >> > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM >> > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >> > >> > >> > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and >> fellow >> > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party >> before >> > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there to >> know >> > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt have >> made >> > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you >> heard >> > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i >know >> > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset at >> the >> > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly hurt >> > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you >had >> > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. >> > > >> > > laterz >> > > kenneth >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: >> > > >> > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... >I'm >> > gona >> > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money >> hungry >> > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up >> > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might >I >> > add >> > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF >COURSE >> > KEN >> > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's >> and >> > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that >You >> > helped >> > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your >my >> > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot >> of >> > > > people wrong this weekend. >> > > > >> > > > Nick >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --- >> > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >> > majordomo@squinky.org >> > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> >> >--- >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. org >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67872-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:14:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88658 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:14:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88648 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:14:56 -0000 Message-ID: From: Piers Sutton To: Cc: sf , f8 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:14:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> F*CK! My work sensors content....that's why I bleep myself or don't curse :) TurtleTracks ============================================================================ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information content in the email is of a privileged and confidential nature and is intended only for use by the intended addresses of original author of this mail. If you believe you have received this email in error or are for any reason unauthorized to be in receipt of this information, please respond to this email indicating accordingly and immediately remove all copies of it from your computer and hard drive. You acknowledge and understand that the unauthorized use of any confidential information of SST would cause harm to SST for which legal damages would be inadequate. 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Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.J. Shaman" To: Cc: "sf" ; "f8" Sent: July 03, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > At Tuesday, 3 July 2001, "Cheese" wrote: > >You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Ok, I must know. Why the *? Everyone knows that you're saying FUCK. > To my knowledge there is no censorship here. I guess it doesn't > really matter, but I'm just curious. I see this a lot. When I mean > fuck, I just come out and say fuck. Do you bleep yourself IRL? "holy > it's hot out today!" > well fuck fuckidy fuck. exactly how many times did I say "fuck" in > this email? Seven to be exact, we've still got 3 more to go... > This reminds me of the southpark episode where they said "shit" on > television. Also reminds me of the "uses of fuck" thing that you > can find on mp3 anywhere. (don't know where the fuck it's from though) > Thanks to all for putting up with my ranting. > > Baked, Not Fuck, > Shaman > > > > > > > >Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the party to > the list, > >you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own > bussiness, > >OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i recall, > you weren't > >even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > > > >Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would you need > to send > >such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an > asshole! > > > >and your right, I don't know you... and i have no intentions of > ever meeting > >someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that you actually > still > >go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually throw them. > . and you > >have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call your crew > "Unity Vibe > >Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around and KICKING THE > >PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine the Vibe > at your > >party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked everytime you > sit down > >from being too tired from dancing... > > > > > >Timothy > >**Cheese** > >itswidow@hotmail.com > >http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Eckö" > >To: "Cheese" > >Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > >Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > >Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > >> Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your > >> business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit. > .Nuff > >> said > >> Nick > >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >> http://www.core-nrg.net > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Cheese" > >> To: "Eckö" > >> Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > >> Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > >> > >> > >> > I am going to make this short and simple... > >> > > >> > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > >> > > >> > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so > called > >"them > >> > song") > >> > > >> > Timothy > >> > **Cheese** > >> > itswidow@hotmail.com > >> > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Kenneth Bice" > >> > To: "Eckö" > >> > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > >> > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > >> > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend > and > >> fellow > >> > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and > my party > >> before > >> > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even > there to > >> know > >> > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt > have > >> made > >> > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something > you > >> heard > >> > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about > it. i > >know > >> > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still > upset at > >> the > >> > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im > truly hurt > >> > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before > you > >had > >> > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > >> > > > >> > > laterz > >> > > kenneth > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's > party... > >I'm > >> > gona > >> > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. > Money > >> hungry > >> > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could > boost up > >> > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very > pissed might > >I > >> > add > >> > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF > >COURSE > >> > KEN > >> > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any > of the dj's > >> and > >> > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone > know that > >You > >> > helped > >> > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry > Ken your > >my > >> > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you > did allot > >> of > >> > > > people wrong this weekend. > >> > > > > >> > > > Nick > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- > >> > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > >> > majordomo@squinky.org > >> > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >--- > >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. > org > >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67874-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:21:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96552 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:21:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96505 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:21:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703202112.80436.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:21:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Jackson To: "Eckö" , Cheese Cc: sf , f8 In-Reply-To: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-609133910-994191672=:79892" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> --0-609133910-994191672=:79892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think you made it *everybody's* business when you promulgated to this list just how scheming and "money-hungry" Kenneth really is. Perhaps you ought to have taken the matter up with him, rather than declaring it in a public forum. Grow up. Jamie Eckö wrote: Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit...Nuff said Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: "Eckö" Cc: "sf" ; "f8" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > I am going to make this short and simple... > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called "them > song") > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Bice" > To: "Eckö" > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and fellow > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party before > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there to know > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt have made > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you heard > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i know > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset at the > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly hurt > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you had > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > laterz > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... I'm > gona > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money hungry > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might I > add > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF COURSE > KEN > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's and > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that You > helped > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your my > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot of > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > majordomo@squinky.org > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." ~ Oscar Wilde --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-609133910-994191672=:79892-- From sfraves-return-67875-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:27:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 705 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:26:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 694 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:26:58 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:26:48 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010703202650.HHDF16367.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] my take on the "gangster" thread in my years in the scene, i've attended a lot of massives, and a few smaller parties, where there were people who fit the "gangster" mold. and these are different kinds of people. some are actually gang members who come to the event with their homies to hang together and keep themselves separate. maybe they care about the music, but it doesn't show. no dancing, no watching the dj. these people make me sad, because if you are going to stick with your own, you have no chance for real growth -- and the gang mentality is completely based on "us" vs. "them" -- that mentality is a trap, and while apparently some argue that it's good for survival in harsh environments, i don't agree. i do know people who grew up in real gangs. east l.a. gangs. tough gangs where many of their friends are no longer alive due to gang warfare caused by territorialism, drug use, and a loss of regard for any human who is considered their "enemy." gangs that develop as a means for survival are a trap. because survival isn't growth or development. it's the lowest common level of existence, and should never be confused with really living. it's like an animal in a cage, snarling at anyone who comes close to the cage, even if they're offering a way out of the cage. and this kind of gang develops a comfort level with crimes against other human beings that is horrifying. i once tried to stop what was about to become a violent incident with two opposing groups who'd come to a peaceful event at a maritime party, hoping to explain that their behavior was out of place in a party based on support and community and acceptance. they didn't like me, and clearly weren't used to having someone question them, but they did stop. or at least took it elsewhere. then there are the "gangsta-style" kids. the ones who dress alike, trying to look tough. this is about posing. it's about walking a certain way, moving your hands a certain way, wearing your bandana or your pants a certain way. it's about trying to belong by virtue of modifying your personal choices to fit the group standard. these kids come to parties, and stand together, looking cool. they dance together, looking cool. they talk together, often about the other people and things they see. they're posing, which is natural as adolescents try on different ways of being to see what works for them. in a way, they're the same as the packs of candy ravers, also all dressed alike from the same stores, wearing the same plastic jewelry, the same stickers on their face, the same hair styles... it's a different style but the same pack mentality, and the same kind of "trying on a way of being" -- it's part of growing up for many people. the problem here is that self-expression and individuality is repressed in either of these scenarios -- because the peer pressure is to fit in, do whatever the "cool thing" is perceived as. even if it's not you, and not what you want to be doing. so yes, i agree that it's hard to get to know a gangster... but that's because the 'gangster' and even the 'gangsta-wannabe' has set up a way of being and behavior that excludes other people. the opportunity that is there at a rave is only there when that person is willing to separate themselves from the protection of their familiar group, and venture out as an individual, having individual interactions with other individuals. my experience has shown me that the ones who look the toughest are often the softest, sweetest, most vulnerable ones. it's why i happen to love tough gangster guys, because i know that that shell is usually (no, not always, but usually) a protection for a gentle and loving human being (at least when he's not keeping up an image with his homies). you can never judge a book by its cover, but as humans, we need to be responsible for the fact that the "cover" we project is our own responsibility. and to really become who we each can be, as individuals who can make a positive difference in the world, we need to be realistic about walking away from social structures that really just cage us in. hope that made sense. leslie > >This reminds me of "REMEMBER THE TITANS" w/Denzel Washington. Those white >kids really hated the black ones....until they got to know them although in >the streets it's hard to get to know a gangster. But at a rave there is >atleast an opportunity. > >J- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67876-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:29:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3366 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:29:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3356 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:29:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703202923.79669.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Teks To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Paul Oakenfold?! and Billy Corgan Re: [sfraves] Area:One Music Festival The line up also shows Paul Oakenfold being there also. So will Billy Corgan from the smashing pumpkins playing guitar for New Order. for more info on the even click on "buy now" which will take you to a website with more information. or try this link: http://sfx.com/artist.asp?artistid=21495 www.areaonefestival.com does anyone know the starting and ending time of this event, since its on a tuesday, july 31? teks --- DF doc wrote: > Yeah, I'll be there. I am also a fan of the > underground HH. Anything that > puts truth into people I dig. Tribe, Aceyalne, the > former Co. Flow, even > Outkast though they ain't under no more.........What > about some trip hop, DJ > Shadow: Pre-emptive strike.....even though there > really are no words in this > album I get a lot of insight from it. I recommend > it. > > -+>Third Eye Alive!<+- > > j- > > >Anyone going to this wonderful concert? Besides > me? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67877-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:37:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8599 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:37:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8589 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:37:20 -0000 Message-ID: <008501c10400$5d8fc9a0$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:40:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Fw: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Sandler" To: "Eckö" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > which is the exact reason why we are bringing this amazing line up together. > Frankie, Dave Angel, Brian Zentz, and all the tekno gurus are gonna rock the > shit out of this event... while Binary Finary and Tinrib play their tracks > for the trancers... It's all good! > > G > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eckö" > To: "Kenneth Bice" ; "sarah qadri" > > Cc: ; ; > ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > > > That's a nice thought and in a rave scene where people actually know about > > music that would be true..But I'm willing to bet most of these people in > the > > scene and on this list don't even know who Frankie Bones is and couldn't > > tell us what he has done for the scene or even what genre he is in.. > > Nick > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > To: "sarah qadri" > > Cc: ; ; > > ; > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > > > > > > if you were throwing a party with frankie bones you shouldnt have to > > > promote it... > > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, sarah qadri wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i would promote the > > shit > > > > out of it too... > > > > > > > > sarah > > > > > > > > >From: Switch > > > > >To: Greg Sandler , ~~mirage~~ > > > > > > > > > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > > > > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a > > > > > > racist. Infact, due to my > > > > > > heritage, I know first hand about the evils > > > > > > associated with prejudices. All > > > > > > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions > > > > > > does not attract the > > > > > > people that this person was referring to as > > > > > > "gangsters." > > > > > > > > > > How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers > > > > >"everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions > > > > >are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap > > > > >tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets > > > > >better?? Do the people get anything different with a > > > > >more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting > > > > >taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times > > > > >before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? > > > > > > > > > > This being the > > > > > > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and > > > > > > we are going to put > > > > > > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote > > > > > > harder than we EVER have > > > > > > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Easy there Bill Graham.... > > > > > > > > > >How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? > > > > > > > > > >mass polution = money for you! > > > > > > > > > >expliotation of the music = money for you! > > > > > > > > > >selling your soul to the devil = money for you! > > > > > > > > > >promoting to everyone and thier dog = money for you! > > > > > > > > > >ruining the bay area dance scene = problem for us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the > > > > >scene....right?? > > > > > > > > > >Keep it alive Greg! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >peace, > > > > > > > > > >cj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > > > > > > > > > >http://www.resourcerecords.com > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67878-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:40:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11073 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:40:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11063 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:40:11 -0000 Message-ID: <008d01c10400$c0d23fc0$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: "Mike Migurski" Cc: References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:42:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions It's back to school time for the kiddies! AREA 51 break down these boundaries for the younger ravers and WILL expose them to new and old electronica sounds. Most promoters will never do a thing like this, but this is our point... Education... Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "Eckö" Cc: "Kenneth Bice" ; "sarah qadri" ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions then why bother booking him for a crowd that can't appreciate? On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:10:49 -0700 >From: "[iso-8859-1] Eckö" >To: Kenneth Bice , sarah qadri >Cc: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.net, > sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > >That's a nice thought and in a rave scene where people actually know about >music that would be true..But I'm willing to bet most of these people in the >scene and on this list don't even know who Frankie Bones is and couldn't >tell us what he has done for the scene or even what genre he is in.. >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kenneth Bice" >To: "sarah qadri" >Cc: ; ; >; >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:55 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > >> if you were throwing a party with frankie bones you shouldnt have to >> promote it... >> >> kenneth >> >> On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, sarah qadri wrote: >> >> > >> > well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i would promote the >shit >> > out of it too... >> > >> > sarah >> > >> > >From: Switch >> > >To: Greg Sandler , ~~mirage~~ >> > > >> > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions >> > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) >> > > >> > > >> > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: >> > > > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a >> > > > racist. Infact, due to my >> > > > heritage, I know first hand about the evils >> > > > associated with prejudices. All >> > > > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions >> > > > does not attract the >> > > > people that this person was referring to as >> > > > "gangsters." >> > > >> > > How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers >> > >"everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions >> > >are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap >> > >tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets >> > >better?? Do the people get anything different with a >> > >more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting >> > >taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times >> > >before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? >> > > >> > > This being the >> > > > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and >> > > > we are going to put >> > > > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote >> > > > harder than we EVER have >> > > > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. >> > > >> > > >> > >Easy there Bill Graham.... >> > > >> > >How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? >> > > >> > >mass polution = money for you! >> > > >> > >expliotation of the music = money for you! >> > > >> > >selling your soul to the devil = money for you! >> > > >> > >promoting to everyone and thier dog = money for you! >> > > >> > >ruining the bay area dance scene = problem for us! >> > > >> > > >> > >It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the >> > >scene....right?? >> > > >> > >Keep it alive Greg! >> > > >> > > >> > >peace, >> > > >> > >cj >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >===== >> > >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music >> > > >> > >http://www.resourcerecords.com >> > > >> > >__________________________________________________ >> > >Do You Yahoo!? >> > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> > > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67879-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:48:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18900 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:48:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18888 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:48:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "f8" , References: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:48:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 20:47:53.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E0B0960:01C10401] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> Dj Clumsy wrote: "You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could construed that you too are an asshole from your posts." Thank you for that comment, i was already coming to the same conclusion... but if you notice, i never just go out and talk shit without a worthy cause... Nick sent an email about a party that he never even went to, and in this email he talked mad shit about the crew that put it on and it's members... he also stated a few things that were to be beleived as Fact, but were, in reality, false... Nick knows the promoter and i beleive he actually works with him... I can recall many other occassions where Nick has came out and blatantly insulted people who in NO Way Shape or Form, deserved it... The only person that i ever try to insult on this list, is Nick! and that is for one simple reason, HE IS AN ASSHOLE... p.s. Fuck! are you happy Shaman... Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "dj clumsy" To: Sent: July 03, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: F8: Re: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > Tim... > > You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could construed that you > too are an asshole from your posts. Personally I'll reserve judgment on > both. ;) > > Just a thought but... if you disagree with Nick's practices, don't follow in > his foot steps. > > Unity Vibe Tribe huh? lmao... that's pretty damn funny from what I've seen > from this crew. > > signing peacefully, > > dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheese" > To: "Eckö" > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:40 PM > Subject: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the party to the > list, > > you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own > bussiness, > > OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i recall, you > weren't > > even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > > > > Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would you need to send > > such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an asshole! > > > > and your right, I don't know you... and i have no intentions of ever > meeting > > someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that you actually > still > > go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually throw them... and > you > > have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call your crew "Unity > Vibe > > Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around and KICKING THE > > PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine the Vibe at your > > party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked everytime you sit down > > from being too tired from dancing... > > > > You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eckö" > > To: "Cheese" > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your > > > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit...Nuff > > > said > > > Nick > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cheese" > > > To: "Eckö" > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called > > "them > > > > song") > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > **Cheese** > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and > > > fellow > > > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party > > > before > > > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there > to > > > know > > > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt > have > > > made > > > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you > > > heard > > > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i > > know > > > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset > at > > > the > > > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly > hurt > > > > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you > > had > > > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... > > I'm > > > > gona > > > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money > > > hungry > > > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost > up > > > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed > might > > I > > > > add > > > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF > > COURSE > > > > KEN > > > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the > dj's > > > and > > > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that > > You > > > > helped > > > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken > your > > my > > > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did > allot > > > of > > > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > majordomo@squinky.org > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67880-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:50:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20983 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:50:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20969 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:50:27 -0000 Message-ID: <003a01c10402$33c8d510$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Cheese" Cc: "sf" , "f8" References: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:53:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> Okay Cheese or what the hell ever your name is..I posted a review and if you want to talk about that I have no problem. What you are talking about is ME. Nothing about my views on what happened..You attacked me and called me an ass hole. The things Ken and I talk about and things like that is none of your business. Yes your right my review was public and if you have any questions about that I would be glad to talk to you privately. Oh and your shit talking about our parties is kinda funny... If you talk to anyone who has ever attended one of our events they would tell you they are f**king amazing. I actually talked to a kid last week that said our crew has changed his life for the better.. And we put 100% love time and effort into our events. So stop your trash talking cuz it's all blowin out your big ass hole.. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: "Eckö" Cc: "sf" ; "f8" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the party to the list, > you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own bussiness, > OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i recall, you weren't > even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > > Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would you need to send > such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an asshole! > > and your right, I don't know you... and i have no intentions of ever meeting > someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that you actually still > go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually throw them... and you > have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call your crew "Unity Vibe > Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around and KICKING THE > PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine the Vibe at your > party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked everytime you sit down > from being too tired from dancing... > > You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eckö" > To: "Cheese" > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your > > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit...Nuff > > said > > Nick > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cheese" > > To: "Eckö" > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called > "them > > > song") > > > > > > Timothy > > > **Cheese** > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > To: "Eckö" > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and > > fellow > > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party > > before > > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there to > > know > > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt have > > made > > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you > > heard > > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i > know > > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset at > > the > > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly hurt > > > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you > had > > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... > I'm > > > gona > > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money > > hungry > > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might > I > > > add > > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF > COURSE > > > KEN > > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's > > and > > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that > You > > > helped > > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your > my > > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot > > of > > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67881-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:51:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22442 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:51:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22432 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:51:10 -0000 Message-ID: <008e01c10402$4bcf3140$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: "Switch" Cc: References: <20010703184617.53254.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:54:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions Wow, from the looks of it, Chris must have forgotten to take his Prozac today (or was it Lithium?)... eat up Chris.. eat up... So once again I bring up the point... Chris if you weren't such a prick, maybe someone (not me) *might book you for your talent.... You are, and always will be a jaded, old school, cynical bastard. I was going to right a big response to your blabering bullshit of a post, but you're not even worth my time. Write back to me when you have something important (or at least useful) to say. Peace, Greg sorry for the public display, Chris needs the attention... he has issues ----- Original Message ----- From: "Switch" To: "Greg Sandler" ; "~~mirage~~" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > --- Greg Sandler wrote: > > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a > > racist. Infact, due to my > > heritage, I know first hand about the evils > > associated with prejudices. All > > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions > > does not attract the > > people that this person was referring to as > > "gangsters." > > How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers > "everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions > are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap > tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets > better?? Do the people get anything different with a > more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting > taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times > before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? > > This being the > > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and > > we are going to put > > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote > > harder than we EVER have > > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. > > > Easy there Bill Graham.... > > How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? > > mass polution = money for you! > > expliotation of the music = money for you! > > selling your soul to the devil = money for you! > > promoting to everyone and thier dog = money for you! > > ruining the bay area dance scene = problem for us! > > > It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the > scene....right?? > > Keep it alive Greg! > > > peace, > > cj > > > > > > > > ===== > Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > > http://www.resourcerecords.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67882-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 20:55:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25296 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 20:55:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25286 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 20:55:16 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:55:07 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sf Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010703205508.IMBY16367.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] sheez >Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would you need to send >such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an asshole! whoa. are we to understand that kenneth and nick, who apparently think sfr is their private message board for emotional adolescent name-calling and one-ups-manship (maybe that would be one-downs-manship) -- actually work or go to school school or whatever IN THE SAME PLACE?!?!? this is hilarious. note to sfravers: name-calling and profanity make you look stupid. even if you think you're right. all we have to go on is how you present yourself. think about it. credibility is something you earn. and it's worth it. l. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67883-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:03:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33880 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:03:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33870 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:03:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.101.106] From: "Crazy Fox" To: johnjeffreyf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:03:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 21:03:12.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[91D9D630:01C10403] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >I would like to add my insight on the party: >what I liked: >the trippy visuals on the wall, >the few people that I did meet or bump into >and the two NRG sets from Dj Tronic and some other DJ, I think that was Lune. I've known him to spin hard NRG sets and I missed hearing him. It was a shame, cause he was the only DJ I knew on the line-up and I'd come out to show my support for him. >and the short trance set by charlie. >the UG feel of the location and view it presented >it went all night past 4am.. I loved the place. I hope the venue owner had a good experience with us and would let us use it again. It was definitely a find, tucked away near all those heavy industrial sites, where no one would give us any trouble. >Didnt like: >room was kinda hot(lucky it wasnt packed with people) >the shallow turnout of people(under 200?) Now that I can explain for you. The info line wasn't updated till 6 pm Saturday (when the party started) and all it said was "Go to [the map point] on [street name] in Berkeley." Armed with that flimsy knowledge, I went and found the address number, then drove with a few friends up to Berkeley, went 20 blocks the wrong way, then figured that maybe after the street numbers went UP, they'd go DOWN, finally found it... so, from San Jose to the map point took TWO HOURS. The directions were well-written, but didn't say how to get there from the map point. So after finding our way OUT of Berkeley with assistance from the crewmembers at the map point, we made our way to the party site. It was a hard-won battle, and if I didn't have hella people driving with me, who really wanted to get their $26 worth rather than drop it and go home... we might have said 'screw it'. I'm glad we made it to the party at 9:30, finally, but it could have been handled better. >only one room for music(nrg, jungle, happy hardcore >and hardcore all together) Yeah, we were driven away at about 2:30 when the happy hardcore and hardcore WOULDN'T STOP PLAYING. I know there are lots of people who enjoy those two genres; I can listen to it just fine myself if it only lasts for a little while and I know there's other stuff after it. But that turned out not to be the case, and I went home. I mean, if there's only going to be one room, it should have variety. Mix it up a little. Please. See you at the next party! raverfox _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67884-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:06:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36480 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:06:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36464 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:06:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703210600.2553.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010703205508.IMBY16367.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] sheez on that note... gabriel, you're a poop head --- leslie ayres wrote: > > >Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why > would you need to send > >such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact > that your an asshole! > > whoa. > > are we to understand that kenneth and nick, who > apparently think sfr is > their private message board for emotional adolescent > name-calling and > one-ups-manship (maybe that would be > one-downs-manship) -- actually work or > go to school school or whatever IN THE SAME > PLACE?!?!? > > this is hilarious. > > note to sfravers: name-calling and profanity make > you look stupid. even if > you think you're right. all we have to go on is how > you present yourself. > > think about it. credibility is something you earn. > and it's worth it. > > l. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67885-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:06:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37795 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:06:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37784 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:06:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703210654.28857.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:06:54 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010703210600.2553.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] sheez no i'm not, you're the poop head gabriel --- knowmad AE wrote: > on that note... gabriel, you're a poop head > > --- leslie ayres wrote: > > > > >Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? > why > > would you need to send > > >such a nasty email to the list, other than the > fact > > that your an asshole! > > > > whoa. > > > > are we to understand that kenneth and nick, who > > apparently think sfr is > > their private message board for emotional > adolescent > > name-calling and > > one-ups-manship (maybe that would be > > one-downs-manship) -- actually work or > > go to school school or whatever IN THE SAME > > PLACE?!?!? > > > > this is hilarious. > > > > note to sfravers: name-calling and profanity make > > you look stupid. even if > > you think you're right. all we have to go on is > how > > you present yourself. > > > > think about it. credibility is something you earn. > > and it's worth it. > > > > l. > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > ===== > icq/40221388 > aim/knowmadAE > y!/knowmadAE > "the third I is we and we are one, one in the > same... > the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal > Door..." > In Lak'ech > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67886-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:11:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42986 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:11:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42974 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:11:33 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c10405$1435c3e0$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: Cc: "sf" References: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:14:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> Hey Cheese lemme ask you a question..Where in my review does it say anything about how the party was? I was bringing light to some issues I thought at the time everyone should know about. And then I apologized for it..Enough is enough you need something to do I suggest you spend more time working or something constructive.. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: "f8" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: F8: Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> > Dj Clumsy wrote: > "You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could construed that > you too are an asshole from your posts." > > Thank you for that comment, i was already coming to the same conclusion... > but if you notice, i never just go out and talk shit without a worthy > cause... Nick sent an email about a party that he never even went to, and in > this email he talked mad shit about the crew that put it on and it's > members... he also stated a few things that were to be beleived as Fact, but > were, in reality, false... Nick knows the promoter and i beleive he actually > works with him... > > I can recall many other occassions where Nick has came out and blatantly > insulted people who in NO Way Shape or Form, deserved it... > > The only person that i ever try to insult on this list, is Nick! and that is > for one simple reason, HE IS AN ASSHOLE... > > p.s. Fuck! are you happy Shaman... > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dj clumsy" > To: > Sent: July 03, 2001 1:08 PM > Subject: F8: Re: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > Tim... > > > > You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could construed that > you > > too are an asshole from your posts. Personally I'll reserve judgment on > > both. ;) > > > > Just a thought but... if you disagree with Nick's practices, don't follow > in > > his foot steps. > > > > Unity Vibe Tribe huh? lmao... that's pretty damn funny from what I've > seen > > from this crew. > > > > signing peacefully, > > > > dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cheese" > > To: "Eckö" > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:40 PM > > Subject: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the party to the > > list, > > > you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own > > bussiness, > > > OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i recall, you > > weren't > > > even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > > > > > > Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would you need to > send > > > such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an > asshole! > > > > > > and your right, I don't know you... and i have no intentions of ever > > meeting > > > someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that you actually > > still > > > go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually throw them... and > > you > > > have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call your crew "Unity > > Vibe > > > Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around and KICKING THE > > > PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine the Vibe at your > > > party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked everytime you sit down > > > from being too tired from dancing... > > > > > > You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING > ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Timothy > > > **Cheese** > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Eckö" > > > To: "Cheese" > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your > > > > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking > shit...Nuff > > > > said > > > > Nick > > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Cheese" > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > > > > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > > > > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called > > > "them > > > > > song") > > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > **Cheese** > > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > > > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend > and > > > > fellow > > > > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my > party > > > > before > > > > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there > > to > > > > know > > > > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt > > have > > > > made > > > > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something > you > > > > heard > > > > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. > i > > > know > > > > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset > > at > > > > the > > > > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly > > hurt > > > > > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before > you > > > had > > > > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's > party... > > > I'm > > > > > gona > > > > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money > > > > hungry > > > > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost > > up > > > > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed > > might > > > I > > > > > add > > > > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF > > > COURSE > > > > > KEN > > > > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the > > dj's > > > > and > > > > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know > that > > > You > > > > > helped > > > > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken > > your > > > my > > > > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did > > allot > > > > of > > > > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > majordomo@squinky.org > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67887-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:21:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56187 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:21:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56177 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:21:40 -0000 From: "COTS" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:21:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <008e01c10402$4bcf3140$1101000a@litterbox> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 21:21:02.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[100B1080:01C10406] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] re: Area 51 will sell out.... so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give your recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make any compensation? when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you ever do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least say something positive every once in a while).... i -- > > Easy there Bill Graham.... > > How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? > > mass polution = money for you! > > expliotation of the music = money for you! > > selling your soul to the devil = money for you! > > promoting to everyone and thier dog = money for you! > > ruining the bay area dance scene = problem for us! > > > It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the > scene....right?? > > Keep it alive Greg! > > > peace, > > cj > > > > > > > > ===== > Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > > http://www.resourcerecords.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67888-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:22:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57667 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:22:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57652 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:22:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.218.177] Reply-To: cruzer@cats.ucsc.edu From: "* Ranger *" To: sachaven@yahoo.com, sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:22:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 21:22:11.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[38D7DBB0:01C10406] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: AMD or Intel ? I am just finishing a paper on this.. specificaly, the competative advantages of producing semiconductors in mass. The potential of AMD competing with Intel in the current time frame (apposed to the .25 micron technology time frame) is nill. Intel just invested 7.5 Capital expenditures and R&D this year, more than 450% more than there nearest competitor Samsung (Tiawan) and with more than 21b in 2000 Revenues leads the competition 5 to 1. This is not an easy industry, and Intel is the gang banger if the information age... I wanna job! I must say, their phat and bloated processors have a competitive disadvantage in terms of Transisters/instructions cycles, but their transister cost per bit (the ultimate determining factor) kicks ass! SO, if you were Dell, would you go with a cuurent performance leader (maybe AMD), or a long time setter in industry standards with 10 year growth potential of 20%? Ranger >From: SILVIU >To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] NRR: AMD or Intel ? >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:21:46 -0700 (PDT) > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010629/tc/dell_quizzes_customers_on_amd-based_pc_1.html > >:Silviu > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67889-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:26:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60242 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:26:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60231 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:26:28 -0000 Message-ID: <00e001c10406$7d0f3cb0$6cd0f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" Cc: References: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> <001e01c10405$1435c3e0$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:23:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> Nick wrote: > Enough is > enough you need something to do I suggest you spend more time working or > something constructive.. > Nick Yep, Nick... you are right. Enough is enough. I'm filtering email originating from ecko37@pacbell.net from now on. I only hope you learn to take your own advice before you subscribe another account. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67890-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:40:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77286 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:40:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77276 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:40:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703214021.36333.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Jeremy Bispo , Mike Migurski , "Eckö" Cc: Kenneth Bice , sarah qadri , resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <007901c103f9$67742710$3702000a@netcorps.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1681692777-994196421=:36300" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions --0-1681692777-994196421=:36300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh we do baby, WE DO!!!! How can we forget the djs/producers that enjoy our crowd, make new friends while out here, and actually look forward to playing for us again????? How can we forget the djs that took over an entire dancefloor they've never played before, and enjoyed themselves while doing it????? Okay I can go on and on..... you know whats up. Jess Jeremy Bispo wrote: how about to educate the crowd? I'd say for the most part, people who attend our events didn't know Gaetano Parisio was before we booked him, nor did they know who Dj Rush was. I 'd hope they know now. -jer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "Eckö" Cc: "Kenneth Bice" ; "sarah qadri" ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > then why bother booking him for a crowd that can't appreciate? > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:10:49 -0700 > >From: "[iso-8859-1] Eckö" > >To: Kenneth Bice , sarah qadri > >Cc: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.net, > > sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > > >That's a nice thought and in a rave scene where people actually know about > >music that would be true..But I'm willing to bet most of these people in the > >scene and on this list don't even know who Frankie Bones is and couldn't > >tell us what he has done for the scene or even what genre he is in.. > >Nick > >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >http://www.core-nrg.net > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kenneth Bice" > >To: "sarah qadri" > >Cc: ; ; > >; > >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:55 AM > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > > > > >> if you were throwing a party with frankie bones you shouldnt have to > >> promote it... > >> > >> kenneth > >> > >> On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, sarah qadri wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i would promote the > >shit > >> > out of it too... > >> > > >> > sarah > >> > > >> > >From: Switch > >> > >To: Greg Sandler , ~~mirage~~ > >> > > > >> > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >> > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > >> > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > >> > > > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a > >> > > > racist. Infact, due to my > >> > > > heritage, I know first hand about the evils > >> > > > associated with prejudices. All > >> > > > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions > >> > > > does not attract the > >> > > > people that this person was referring to as > >> > > > "gangsters." > >> > > > >> > > How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers > >> > >"everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions > >> > >are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap > >> > >tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets > >> > >better?? Do the people get anything different with a > >> > >more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting > >> > >taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times > >> > >before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? > >> > > > >> > > This being the > >> > > > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and > >> > > > we are going to put > >> > > > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote > >> > > > harder than we EVER have > >> > > > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >Easy there Bill Graham.... > >> > > > >> > >How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? > >> > > > >> > >mass polution = money for you! > >> > > > >> > >expliotation of the music = money for you! > >> > > > >> > >selling your soul to the devil = money for you! > >> > > > >> > >promoting to everyone and thier dog = money for you! > >> > > > >> > >ruining the bay area dance scene = problem for us! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the > >> > >scene....right?? > >> > > > >> > >Keep it alive Greg! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >peace, > >> > > > >> > >cj > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >===== > >> > >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > >> > > > >> > >http://www.resourcerecords.com > >> > > > >> > >__________________________________________________ > >> > >Do You Yahoo!? > >> > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >> > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > > > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1681692777-994196421=:36300-- From sfraves-return-67891-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:47:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85232 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:47:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85195 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:47:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: Greg Sandler cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <008d01c10400$c0d23fc0$1101000a@litterbox> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions Good answer :) >It's back to school time for the kiddies! AREA 51 break down these >boundaries for the younger ravers and WILL expose them to new and old >electronica sounds. Most promoters will never do a thing like this, but th= is >is our point... Education... > >Greg >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Migurski" >To: "Eck=F6" >Cc: "Kenneth Bice" ; "sarah qadri" >; ; >; ; >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:18 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions > > >then why bother booking him for a crowd that can't appreciate? > >On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eck=F6 wrote: > >>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:10:49 -0700 >>From: "[iso-8859-1] Eck=F6" >>To: Kenneth Bice , sarah qadri >>Cc: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, >mirage373@earthlink.net, >> sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions >> >>That's a nice thought and in a rave scene where people actually know abou= t >>music that would be true..But I'm willing to bet most of these people in >the >>scene and on this list don't even know who Frankie Bones is and couldn't >>tell us what he has done for the scene or even what genre he is in.. >>Nick >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>http://www.core-nrg.net >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Kenneth Bice" >>To: "sarah qadri" >>Cc: ; ; >>; >>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:55 AM >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions >> >> >>> if you were throwing a party with frankie bones you shouldnt have to >>> promote it... >>> >>> kenneth >>> >>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, sarah qadri wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i would promote the >>shit >>> > out of it too... >>> > >>> > sarah >>> > >>> > >From: Switch >>> > >To: Greg Sandler , ~~mirage~~ >>> > > >>> > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>> > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions >>> > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT) >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: >>> > > > I could not agree with you more. In no way am I a >>> > > > racist. Infact, due to my >>> > > > heritage, I know first hand about the evils >>> > > > associated with prejudices. All >>> > > > I was trying to say is that our style of promotions >>> > > > does not attract the >>> > > > people that this person was referring to as >>> > > > "gangsters." >>> > > >>> > > How do you figure??? I have seen these fliers >>> > >"everywhere". You know damn well who your promtions >>> > >are attracting......Anybody with $35...hurry the cheap >>> > >tickets are going fast! Shit. Are the other tickets >>> > >better?? Do the people get anything different with a >>> > >more expensive ticket?? Yeah, the feeling of getting >>> > >taken. Do concert tickets change price 3 or 4 times >>> > >before the event?? Nope. Why should a rave? >>> > > >>> > > This being the >>> > > > case, we are going to put posters EVERYWHERE... and >>> > > > we are going to put >>> > > > flyers EVERYWHERE... and we are going to promote >>> > > > harder than we EVER have >>> > > > before, while attracting whomever wants to come. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >Easy there Bill Graham.... >>> > > >>> > >How hard is it to throw fliers all over the ground?? >>> > > >>> > >mass polution =3D money for you! >>> > > >>> > >expliotation of the music =3D money for you! >>> > > >>> > >selling your soul to the devil =3D money for you! >>> > > >>> > >promoting to everyone and thier dog =3D money for you! >>> > > >>> > >ruining the bay area dance scene =3D problem for us! >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >It's all for the love of your wallet, oops, I mean the >>> > >scene....right?? >>> > > >>> > >Keep it alive Greg! >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >peace, >>> > > >>> > >cj >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> > >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music >>> > > >>> > >http://www.resourcerecords.com >>> > > >>> > >__________________________________________________ >>> > >Do You Yahoo!? >>> > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >>> > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >>> > > >>> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------= - >>> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > > >>> > >>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67892-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:47:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85263 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:47:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85196 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:47:08 -0000 From: "Sameer Parekh" To: "Sfraves@Hyperreal. Org" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:45:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] thanks, and a warning Hello all -- I'd like to send out my thanks to everyone who came out to the urban wasteland last weekend. I was back in the states for a brief two week vacation from my six month vacation in europe, and while it was great to be home chilling with my friends and such, I really truly felt at home when we were all out partying in the urban wasteland. That's my true home. From a number of the comments here on the list, though, I sense that people are a little confused about something... The fact that people were getting lost on the way to the party was *not* a good thing. People were saying "well we had a hard time finding the party so the cops must have had a hard time too" -- well... if you're driving around the middle of the urban wasteland with a car full of kids, that attracts a *lot* more attention than if you weren't getting lost. The UW crew takes some blame for this, of course, because our directions weren't completely fool-proof, but also, it is very important to DRIVE SLOWLY (but not too slowly, because that also attracts attention) looking out for the landmarks we describe in the VM so that you don't get lost. Also, on that note, PLEASE DO NOT CARAVAN. Long trails of cars attract much more attention than single cars. If a cop sees a single car drive by, they might not think much of it, but seeing a trail of seven-ten cars wandering around the bowels of the east bay... well you think that might clue them in? If you are lost, please don't follow the other cars that look like they are heading to the party, because they are probably lost too, and building a larger caravan is just going to attract more attention. If you find yourself in the midst of a spontaneous caravan -- break off and take a little 15 minute detour -- if everyone else in the caravan is also responsible and does the same thing, the caravan will them spontaneously disappear, eluding the law effectively. =) The only thing that kept us safe this weekend was the drag racers who served as excellent decoys... the cops were too busy trying to bust the drag racers that even if they knew where we were, they were too busy with the drag racers to bust us. Thank you. Keep it pounding, /s --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67893-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 21:58:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96140 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 21:58:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96128 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 21:58:52 -0000 Message-ID: From: Piers Sutton To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:58:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> STOP THE MADNESS!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE DUMB AND WILL GO TO HELL AND HAVE = TO PLAY YOUR REKIDS ON FISHER-PRICE TURNTABLES IN THE AFTERLIFE IF THIS CONTINUES!!! THANK YOU FOR LISTENING!! TurtleTracks; havin' a bad day, where's da love?! > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheese [mailto:roughraver@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:49 PM > To: f8; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> >=20 >=20 > Dj Clumsy wrote: > "You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could=20 > construed that > you too are an asshole from your posts." >=20 > Thank you for that comment, i was already coming to the same=20 > conclusion... > but if you notice, i never just go out and talk shit without a worthy > cause... Nick sent an email about a party that he never even=20 > went to, and in > this email he talked mad shit about the crew that put it on and it's > members... he also stated a few things that were to be=20 > beleived as Fact, but > were, in reality, false... Nick knows the promoter and i=20 > beleive he actually > works with him... >=20 > I can recall many other occassions where Nick has came out=20 > and blatantly > insulted people who in NO Way Shape or Form, deserved it... >=20 > The only person that i ever try to insult on this list, is=20 > Nick! and that is > for one simple reason, HE IS AN ASSHOLE... >=20 > p.s. Fuck! are you happy Shaman... >=20 > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dj clumsy" > To: > Sent: July 03, 2001 1:08 PM > Subject: F8: Re: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >=20 >=20 > > Tim... > > > > You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could=20 > construed that > you > > too are an asshole from your posts. Personally I'll=20 > reserve judgment on > > both. ;) > > > > Just a thought but... if you disagree with Nick's=20 > practices, don't follow > in > > his foot steps. > > > > Unity Vibe Tribe huh? lmao... that's pretty damn funny=20 > from what I've > seen > > from this crew. > > > > signing peacefully, > > > > dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cheese" > > To: "Eck=F6" > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:40 PM > > Subject: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the=20 > party to the > > list, > > > you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own > > bussiness, > > > OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i=20 > recall, you > > weren't > > > even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > > > > > > Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would=20 > you need to > send > > > such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an > asshole! > > > > > > and your right, I don't know you... and i have no=20 > intentions of ever > > meeting > > > someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that=20 > you actually > > still > > > go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually=20 > throw them... and > > you > > > have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call=20 > your crew "Unity > > Vibe > > > Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around=20 > and KICKING THE > > > PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine=20 > the Vibe at your > > > party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked=20 > everytime you sit down > > > from being too tired from dancing... > > > > > > You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING > ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Timothy > > > **Cheese** > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Eck=F6" > > > To: "Cheese" > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is=20 > none of your > > > > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking > shit...Nuff > > > > said > > > > Nick > > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Cheese" > > > > To: "Eck=F6" > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" = > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > > > > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an=20 > ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > > > > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months=20 > back? his so called > > > "them > > > > > song") > > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > **Cheese** > > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > > > To: "Eck=F6" > > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8"=20 > > > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > > > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you=20 > as a friend > and > > > > fellow > > > > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about=20 > me and my > party > > > > before > > > > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you=20 > werent even there > > to > > > > know > > > > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me=20 > first you wouldnt > > have > > > > made > > > > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but=20 > its something > you > > > > heard > > > > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going=20 > off about it. > i > > > know > > > > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but=20 > im still upset > > at > > > > the > > > > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my=20 > back. im truly > > hurt > > > > > > by this. especially since i was at your party=20 > setting up before > you > > > had > > > > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eck=F6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's > party... > > > I'm > > > > > gona > > > > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or=20 > hear about. Money > > > > hungry > > > > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so=20 > he could boost > > up > > > > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that=20 > are very pissed > > might > > > I > > > > > add > > > > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45=20 > minute set.(BUT OF > > > COURSE > > > > > KEN > > > > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't=20 > pay any of the > > dj's > > > > and > > > > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let=20 > everyone know > that > > > You > > > > > helped > > > > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket.=20 > I'm sorry Ken > > your > > > my > > > > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support=20 > again, you did > > allot > > > > of > > > > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > majordomo@squinky.org > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE=20 The information content in the email is of a privileged and = confidential nature and is intended only for use by the intended addresses of = original=20 author of this mail. 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ALL OF YOU ARE DUMB AND WILL GO TO HELL AND HAVE TO PLAY YOUR REKIDS ON FISHER-PRICE TURNTABLES IN THE AFTERLIFE IF THIS CONTINUES!!! THANK YOU FOR LISTENING!! TurtleTracks; havin' a bad day, where's da love?! > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheese [mailto:roughraver@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:49 PM > To: f8; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > Dj Clumsy wrote: > "You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could > construed that > you too are an asshole from your posts." > > Thank you for that comment, i was already coming to the same > conclusion... > but if you notice, i never just go out and talk shit without a worthy > cause... Nick sent an email about a party that he never even > went to, and in > this email he talked mad shit about the crew that put it on and it's > members... he also stated a few things that were to be > beleived as Fact, but > were, in reality, false... Nick knows the promoter and i > beleive he actually > works with him... > > I can recall many other occassions where Nick has came out > and blatantly > insulted people who in NO Way Shape or Form, deserved it... > > The only person that i ever try to insult on this list, is > Nick! and that is > for one simple reason, HE IS AN ASSHOLE... > > p.s. Fuck! are you happy Shaman... > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dj clumsy" > To: > Sent: July 03, 2001 1:08 PM > Subject: F8: Re: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > Tim... > > > > You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could > construed that > you > > too are an asshole from your posts. Personally I'll > reserve judgment on > > both. ;) > > > > Just a thought but... if you disagree with Nick's > practices, don't follow > in > > his foot steps. > > > > Unity Vibe Tribe huh? lmao... that's pretty damn funny > from what I've > seen > > from this crew. > > > > signing peacefully, > > > > dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cheese" > > To: "Eckö" > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:40 PM > > Subject: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the > party to the > > list, > > > you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own > > bussiness, > > > OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i > recall, you > > weren't > > > even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > > > > > > Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would > you need to > send > > > such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an > asshole! > > > > > > and your right, I don't know you... and i have no > intentions of ever > > meeting > > > someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that > you actually > > still > > > go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually > throw them... and > > you > > > have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call > your crew "Unity > > Vibe > > > Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around > and KICKING THE > > > PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine > the Vibe at your > > > party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked > everytime you sit down > > > from being too tired from dancing... > > > > > > You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING > ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Timothy > > > **Cheese** > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Eckö" > > > To: "Cheese" > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is > none of your > > > > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking > shit...Nuff > > > > said > > > > Nick > > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Cheese" > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > > > > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an > ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > > > > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months > back? his so called > > > "them > > > > > song") > > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > **Cheese** > > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > > > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you > as a friend > and > > > > fellow > > > > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about > me and my > party > > > > before > > > > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you > werent even there > > to > > > > know > > > > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me > first you wouldnt > > have > > > > made > > > > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but > its something > you > > > > heard > > > > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going > off about it. > i > > > know > > > > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but > im still upset > > at > > > > the > > > > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my > back. im truly > > hurt > > > > > > by this. especially since i was at your party > setting up before > you > > > had > > > > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's > party... > > > I'm > > > > > gona > > > > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or > hear about. Money > > > > hungry > > > > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so > he could boost > > up > > > > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that > are very pissed > > might > > > I > > > > > add > > > > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 > minute set.(BUT OF > > > COURSE > > > > > KEN > > > > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't > pay any of the > > dj's > > > > and > > > > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let > everyone know > that > > > You > > > > > helped > > > > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. > I'm sorry Ken > > your > > > my > > > > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support > again, you did > > allot > > > > of > > > > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > majordomo@squinky.org > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ============================================================================ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information content in the email is of a privileged and confidential nature and is intended only for use by the intended addresses of original author of this mail. 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"Stop the insanity!" -jv Piers Sutton wrote: >STOP THE MADNESS!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE DUMB AND WILL GO TO HELL AND HAVE TO >PLAY YOUR REKIDS ON FISHER-PRICE TURNTABLES IN THE AFTERLIFE IF THIS >CONTINUES!!! THANK YOU FOR LISTENING!! > >TurtleTracks; havin' a bad day, where's da love?! > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Cheese [mailto:roughraver@hotmail.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:49 PM >>To: f8; sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> >> >> >>Dj Clumsy wrote: >>"You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could >>construed that >>you too are an asshole from your posts." >> >>Thank you for that comment, i was already coming to the same >>conclusion... >>but if you notice, i never just go out and talk shit without a worthy >>cause... Nick sent an email about a party that he never even >>went to, and in >>this email he talked mad shit about the crew that put it on and it's >>members... he also stated a few things that were to be >>beleived as Fact, but >>were, in reality, false... Nick knows the promoter and i >>beleive he actually >>works with him... >> >>I can recall many other occassions where Nick has came out >>and blatantly >>insulted people who in NO Way Shape or Form, deserved it... >> >>The only person that i ever try to insult on this list, is >>Nick! and that is >>for one simple reason, HE IS AN ASSHOLE... >> >>p.s. Fuck! are you happy Shaman... >> >>Timothy >>**Cheese** >>itswidow@hotmail.com >>http://www.BayAreaRavers.com >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "dj clumsy" >>To: >>Sent: July 03, 2001 1:08 PM >>Subject: F8: Re: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >> >> >>>Tim... >>> >>>You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could >>> >>construed that >>you >> >>>too are an asshole from your posts. Personally I'll >>> >>reserve judgment on >> >>>both. ;) >>> >>>Just a thought but... if you disagree with Nick's >>> >>practices, don't follow >>in >> >>>his foot steps. >>> >>>Unity Vibe Tribe huh? lmao... that's pretty damn funny >>> >>from what I've >>seen >> >>>from this crew. >>> >>>signing peacefully, >>> >>>dave >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Cheese" >>>To: "Eckö" >>>Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:40 PM >>>Subject: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >>> >>> >>>>Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the >>>> >>party to the >> >>>list, >>> >>>>you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own >>>> >>>bussiness, >>> >>>>OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i >>>> >>recall, you >> >>>weren't >>> >>>>even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... >>>> >>>>Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would >>>> >>you need to >>send >> >>>>such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an >>>> >>asshole! >> >>>>and your right, I don't know you... and i have no >>>> >>intentions of ever >> >>>meeting >>> >>>>someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that >>>> >>you actually >> >>>still >>> >>>>go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually >>>> >>throw them... and >> >>>you >>> >>>>have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call >>>> >>your crew "Unity >> >>>Vibe >>> >>>>Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around >>>> >>and KICKING THE >> >>>>PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine >>>> >>the Vibe at your >> >>>>party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked >>>> >>everytime you sit down >> >>>>from being too tired from dancing... >>>> >>>>You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING >>>> >>ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >>>>Timothy >>>>**Cheese** >>>>itswidow@hotmail.com >>>>http://www.BayAreaRavers.com >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Eckö" >>>>To: "Cheese" >>>>Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >>>>Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is >>>>> >>none of your >> >>>>>business...You don't know me so you have no business talking >>>>> >>shit...Nuff >> >>>>>said >>>>>Nick >>>>>http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>>>>http://www.core-nrg.net >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Cheese" >>>>>To: "Eckö" >>>>>Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I am going to make this short and simple... >>>>>> >>>>>>I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an >>>>>> >>ASSHOLE!!!! >> >>>>>>(anyone remember the song he posted a few months >>>>>> >>back? his so called >> >>>>"them >>>> >>>>>>song") >>>>>> >>>>>>Timothy >>>>>>**Cheese** >>>>>>itswidow@hotmail.com >>>>>>http://www.BayAreaRavers.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Kenneth Bice" >>>>>>To: "Eckö" >>>>>>Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM >>>>>>Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you >>>>>>> >>as a friend >>and >> >>>>>fellow >>>>> >>>>>>>promoter, first that you would talk like this about >>>>>>> >>me and my >>party >> >>>>>before >>>>> >>>>>>>even talking to me about it... secondly that you >>>>>>> >>werent even there >> >>>to >>> >>>>>know >>>>> >>>>>>>anything about the party. had you talked to me >>>>>>> >>first you wouldnt >> >>>have >>> >>>>>made >>>>> >>>>>>>this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but >>>>>>> >>its something >>you >> >>>>>heard >>>>> >>>>>>>and did not bother to talk to me about before going >>>>>>> >>off about it. >>i >> >>>>know >>>> >>>>>>>you already apologized about some of this stuff but >>>>>>> >>im still upset >> >>>at >>> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>>>>fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my >>>>>>> >>back. im truly >> >>>hurt >>> >>>>>>>by this. especially since i was at your party >>>>>>> >>setting up before >>you >> >>>>had >>>> >>>>>>>even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>laterz >>>>>>>kenneth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's >>>>>>>> >>party... >> >>>>I'm >>>> >>>>>>gona >>>>>> >>>>>>>>let everyone in on the side they didn't see or >>>>>>>> >>hear about. Money >> >>>>>hungry >>>>> >>>>>>>>Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so >>>>>>>> >>he could boost >> >>>up >>> >>>>>>>>capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that >>>>>>>> >>are very pissed >> >>>might >>> >>>>I >>>> >>>>>>add >>>>>> >>>>>>>>didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 >>>>>>>> >>minute set.(BUT OF >> >>>>COURSE >>>> >>>>>>KEN >>>>>> >>>>>>>>GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't >>>>>>>> >>pay any of the >> >>>dj's >>> >>>>>and >>>>> >>>>>>>>shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let >>>>>>>> >>everyone know >>that >> >>>>You >>>> >>>>>>helped >>>>>> >>>>>>>>put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. >>>>>>>> >>I'm sorry Ken >> >>>your >>> >>>>my >>>> >>>>>>>>friend but phat cow will never have our support >>>>>>>> >>again, you did >> >>>allot >>> >>>>>of >>>>> >>>>>>>>people wrong this weekend. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Nick >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>--- >>>>>>>If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >>>>>>> >>>>>>majordomo@squinky.org >>>>>> >>>>>>>with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. >>>>>>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>--- >>>>If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >>>> >>>majordomo@squinky.org >>> >>>>with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. >>>> >>>--- >>>If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >>> >>majordomo@squinky.org >> >>>with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. >>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >============================================================================ > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >The information content in the email is of a privileged and confidential >nature and is intended only for use by the intended addresses of original >author of this mail. 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Nothing beats a good round of drunk speak and spell!! Piers > -----Original Message----- > From: Eck=F6 [mailto:ecko37@pacbell.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:04 PM > To: Piers Sutton; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> >=20 >=20 > You know we all love you piers..haha *hands piers a Heineken* > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Piers Sutton" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:58 PM > Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> >=20 >=20 > STOP THE MADNESS!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE DUMB AND WILL GO TO=20 > HELL AND HAVE TO > PLAY YOUR REKIDS ON FISHER-PRICE TURNTABLES IN THE AFTERLIFE IF THIS > CONTINUES!!! THANK YOU FOR LISTENING!! >=20 > TurtleTracks; havin' a bad day, where's da love?! >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cheese [mailto:roughraver@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:49 PM > > To: f8; sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > Dj Clumsy wrote: > > "You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could > > construed that > > you too are an asshole from your posts." > > > > Thank you for that comment, i was already coming to the same > > conclusion... > > but if you notice, i never just go out and talk shit=20 > without a worthy > > cause... Nick sent an email about a party that he never even > > went to, and in > > this email he talked mad shit about the crew that put it on and = it's > > members... he also stated a few things that were to be > > beleived as Fact, but > > were, in reality, false... Nick knows the promoter and i > > beleive he actually > > works with him... > > > > I can recall many other occassions where Nick has came out > > and blatantly > > insulted people who in NO Way Shape or Form, deserved it... > > > > The only person that i ever try to insult on this list, is > > Nick! and that is > > for one simple reason, HE IS AN ASSHOLE... > > > > p.s. Fuck! are you happy Shaman... > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "dj clumsy" > > To: > > Sent: July 03, 2001 1:08 PM > > Subject: F8: Re: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > Tim... > > > > > > You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could > > construed that > > you > > > too are an asshole from your posts. Personally I'll > > reserve judgment on > > > both. ;) > > > > > > Just a thought but... if you disagree with Nick's > > practices, don't follow > > in > > > his foot steps. > > > > > > Unity Vibe Tribe huh? lmao... that's pretty damn funny > > from what I've > > seen > > > from this crew. > > > > > > signing peacefully, > > > > > > dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cheese" > > > To: "Eck=F6" > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:40 PM > > > Subject: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the > > party to the > > > list, > > > > you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your = own > > > bussiness, > > > > OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i > > recall, you > > > weren't > > > > even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > > > > > > > > Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would > > you need to > > send > > > > such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your = an > > asshole! > > > > > > > > and your right, I don't know you... and i have no > > intentions of ever > > > meeting > > > > someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that > > you actually > > > still > > > > go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually > > throw them... and > > > you > > > > have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call > > your crew "Unity > > > Vibe > > > > Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around > > and KICKING THE > > > > PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine > > the Vibe at your > > > > party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked > > everytime you sit down > > > > from being too tired from dancing... > > > > > > > > You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING > > ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > **Cheese** > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Eck=F6" > > > > To: "Cheese" > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" = > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is > > none of your > > > > > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking > > shit...Nuff > > > > > said > > > > > Nick > > > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Cheese" > > > > > To: "Eck=F6" > > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8"=20 > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > > > > > > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an > > ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months > > back? his so called > > > > "them > > > > > > song") > > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > **Cheese** > > > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > > > > To: "Eck=F6" > > > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > > > > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you > > as a friend > > and > > > > > fellow > > > > > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about > > me and my > > party > > > > > before > > > > > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you > > werent even there > > > to > > > > > know > > > > > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me > > first you wouldnt > > > have > > > > > made > > > > > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but > > its something > > you > > > > > heard > > > > > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going > > off about it. > > i > > > > know > > > > > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but > > im still upset > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my > > back. im truly > > > hurt > > > > > > > by this. especially since i was at your party > > setting up before > > you > > > > had > > > > > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eck=F6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for=20 > Kenneth's > > party... > > > > I'm > > > > > > gona > > > > > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or > > hear about. 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Depeche Mode, Enjoy the Silence ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67898-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 22:06:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9276 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 22:06:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9263 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 22:06:42 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Geoff Herbst" To: "John Vicondoa" , "Piers Sutton" Cc: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:04:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B42420C.6020106@drghetto.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> That would be susan powter Geoff Herbst Launch Manager Zengine, Inc. (Nasdaq: ZNGN) 901 Parker Ave. Berkeley, CA 94710 tel 510 243 6663 fax 510 243 0572 pager (2way) gherbst@skytel.com email gherbst@zengine.com www.zengine.com -----Original Message----- From: John Vicondoa [mailto:paydro@drghetto.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:07 PM To: Piers Sutton Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> Or as that scary skinny chick with the flat-top that lost 300 pounds and had infomercials used to say... "Stop the insanity!" -jv Piers Sutton wrote: >STOP THE MADNESS!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE DUMB AND WILL GO TO HELL AND HAVE TO >PLAY YOUR REKIDS ON FISHER-PRICE TURNTABLES IN THE AFTERLIFE IF THIS >CONTINUES!!! THANK YOU FOR LISTENING!! > >TurtleTracks; havin' a bad day, where's da love?! > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Cheese [mailto:roughraver@hotmail.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:49 PM >>To: f8; sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: [sfraves] Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> >> >> >>Dj Clumsy wrote: >>"You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could >>construed that >>you too are an asshole from your posts." >> >>Thank you for that comment, i was already coming to the same >>conclusion... >>but if you notice, i never just go out and talk shit without a worthy >>cause... Nick sent an email about a party that he never even >>went to, and in >>this email he talked mad shit about the crew that put it on and it's >>members... he also stated a few things that were to be >>beleived as Fact, but >>were, in reality, false... Nick knows the promoter and i >>beleive he actually >>works with him... >> >>I can recall many other occassions where Nick has came out >>and blatantly >>insulted people who in NO Way Shape or Form, deserved it... >> >>The only person that i ever try to insult on this list, is >>Nick! and that is >>for one simple reason, HE IS AN ASSHOLE... >> >>p.s. Fuck! are you happy Shaman... >> >>Timothy >>**Cheese** >>itswidow@hotmail.com >>http://www.BayAreaRavers.com >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "dj clumsy" >>To: >>Sent: July 03, 2001 1:08 PM >>Subject: F8: Re: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >> >> >>>Tim... >>> >>>You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could >>> >>construed that >>you >> >>>too are an asshole from your posts. Personally I'll >>> >>reserve judgment on >> >>>both. ;) >>> >>>Just a thought but... if you disagree with Nick's >>> >>practices, don't follow >>in >> >>>his foot steps. >>> >>>Unity Vibe Tribe huh? lmao... that's pretty damn funny >>> >>from what I've >>seen >> >>>from this crew. >>> >>>signing peacefully, >>> >>>dave >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Cheese" >>>To: "Eckö" >>>Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:40 PM >>>Subject: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >>> >>> >>>>Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the >>>> >>party to the >> >>>list, >>> >>>>you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own >>>> >>>bussiness, >>> >>>>OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i >>>> >>recall, you >> >>>weren't >>> >>>>even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... >>>> >>>>Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would >>>> >>you need to >>send >> >>>>such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an >>>> >>asshole! >> >>>>and your right, I don't know you... and i have no >>>> >>intentions of ever >> >>>meeting >>> >>>>someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that >>>> >>you actually >> >>>still >>> >>>>go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually >>>> >>throw them... and >> >>>you >>> >>>>have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call >>>> >>your crew "Unity >> >>>Vibe >>> >>>>Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around >>>> >>and KICKING THE >> >>>>PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine >>>> >>the Vibe at your >> >>>>party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked >>>> >>everytime you sit down >> >>>>from being too tired from dancing... >>>> >>>>You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING >>>> >>ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >>>>Timothy >>>>**Cheese** >>>>itswidow@hotmail.com >>>>http://www.BayAreaRavers.com >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Eckö" >>>>To: "Cheese" >>>>Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >>>>Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is >>>>> >>none of your >> >>>>>business...You don't know me so you have no business talking >>>>> >>shit...Nuff >> >>>>>said >>>>>Nick >>>>>http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>>>>http://www.core-nrg.net >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Cheese" >>>>>To: "Eckö" >>>>>Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I am going to make this short and simple... >>>>>> >>>>>>I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an >>>>>> >>ASSHOLE!!!! >> >>>>>>(anyone remember the song he posted a few months >>>>>> >>back? his so called >> >>>>"them >>>> >>>>>>song") >>>>>> >>>>>>Timothy >>>>>>**Cheese** >>>>>>itswidow@hotmail.com >>>>>>http://www.BayAreaRavers.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Kenneth Bice" >>>>>>To: "Eckö" >>>>>>Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM >>>>>>Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you >>>>>>> >>as a friend >>and >> >>>>>fellow >>>>> >>>>>>>promoter, first that you would talk like this about >>>>>>> >>me and my >>party >> >>>>>before >>>>> >>>>>>>even talking to me about it... secondly that you >>>>>>> >>werent even there >> >>>to >>> >>>>>know >>>>> >>>>>>>anything about the party. had you talked to me >>>>>>> >>first you wouldnt >> >>>have >>> >>>>>made >>>>> >>>>>>>this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but >>>>>>> >>its something >>you >> >>>>>heard >>>>> >>>>>>>and did not bother to talk to me about before going >>>>>>> >>off about it. >>i >> >>>>know >>>> >>>>>>>you already apologized about some of this stuff but >>>>>>> >>im still upset >> >>>at >>> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>>>>fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my >>>>>>> >>back. im truly >> >>>hurt >>> >>>>>>>by this. especially since i was at your party >>>>>>> >>setting up before >>you >> >>>>had >>>> >>>>>>>even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>laterz >>>>>>>kenneth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's >>>>>>>> >>party... >> >>>>I'm >>>> >>>>>>gona >>>>>> >>>>>>>>let everyone in on the side they didn't see or >>>>>>>> >>hear about. Money >> >>>>>hungry >>>>> >>>>>>>>Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so >>>>>>>> >>he could boost >> >>>up >>> >>>>>>>>capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that >>>>>>>> >>are very pissed >> >>>might >>> >>>>I >>>> >>>>>>add >>>>>> >>>>>>>>didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 >>>>>>>> >>minute set.(BUT OF >> >>>>COURSE >>>> >>>>>>KEN >>>>>> >>>>>>>>GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't >>>>>>>> >>pay any of the >> >>>dj's >>> >>>>>and >>>>> >>>>>>>>shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let >>>>>>>> >>everyone know >>that >> >>>>You >>>> >>>>>>helped >>>>>> >>>>>>>>put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. >>>>>>>> >>I'm sorry Ken >> >>>your >>> >>>>my >>>> >>>>>>>>friend but phat cow will never have our support >>>>>>>> >>again, you did >> >>>allot >>> >>>>>of >>>>> >>>>>>>>people wrong this weekend. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Nick >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>--- >>>>>>>If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >>>>>>> >>>>>>majordomo@squinky.org >>>>>> >>>>>>>with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. >>>>>>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>--- >>>>If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >>>> >>>majordomo@squinky.org >>> >>>>with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. >>>> >>>--- >>>If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >>> >>majordomo@squinky.org >> >>>with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. >>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >=========================================================================== = > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >The information content in the email is of a privileged and confidential >nature and is intended only for use by the intended addresses of original >author of this mail. 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Where in MY email do i say anything about YOU saying anything about HOW the party was! i never did... You never went, therefore you never could have had an opinion on how the ACTUAL party went.... you did however say that the DJ's never got payed... but you weren't there, so i don't understand how you would know this... what dj's might i ask, didn't get payed? besides yourself of course.... do not try and twist my words around.... read my emails more carefully! let's take this shit off the list! Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eckö" To: Cc: "sf" Sent: July 03, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: F8: Re: Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> > Hey Cheese lemme ask you a question..Where in my review does it say anything > about how the party was? I was bringing light to some issues I thought at > the time everyone should know about. And then I apologized for it..Enough is > enough you need something to do I suggest you spend more time working or > something constructive.. > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheese" > To: "f8" ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:48 PM > Subject: F8: Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > Dj Clumsy wrote: > > "You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could construed that > > you too are an asshole from your posts." > > > > Thank you for that comment, i was already coming to the same conclusion... > > but if you notice, i never just go out and talk shit without a worthy > > cause... Nick sent an email about a party that he never even went to, and > in > > this email he talked mad shit about the crew that put it on and it's > > members... he also stated a few things that were to be beleived as Fact, > but > > were, in reality, false... Nick knows the promoter and i beleive he > actually > > works with him... > > > > I can recall many other occassions where Nick has came out and blatantly > > insulted people who in NO Way Shape or Form, deserved it... > > > > The only person that i ever try to insult on this list, is Nick! and that > is > > for one simple reason, HE IS AN ASSHOLE... > > > > p.s. Fuck! are you happy Shaman... > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "dj clumsy" > > To: > > Sent: July 03, 2001 1:08 PM > > Subject: F8: Re: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > Tim... > > > > > > You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could construed that > > you > > > too are an asshole from your posts. Personally I'll reserve judgment on > > > both. ;) > > > > > > Just a thought but... if you disagree with Nick's practices, don't > follow > > in > > > his foot steps. > > > > > > Unity Vibe Tribe huh? lmao... that's pretty damn funny from what I've > > seen > > > from this crew. > > > > > > signing peacefully, > > > > > > dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cheese" > > > To: "Eckö" > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:40 PM > > > Subject: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the party to the > > > list, > > > > you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own > > > bussiness, > > > > OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i recall, you > > > weren't > > > > even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > > > > > > > > Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would you need to > > send > > > > such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an > > asshole! > > > > > > > > and your right, I don't know you... and i have no intentions of ever > > > meeting > > > > someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that you actually > > > still > > > > go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually throw them... > and > > > you > > > > have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call your crew "Unity > > > Vibe > > > > Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around and KICKING > THE > > > > PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine the Vibe at > your > > > > party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked everytime you sit > down > > > > from being too tired from dancing... > > > > > > > > You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING > > ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > **Cheese** > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Eckö" > > > > To: "Cheese" > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your > > > > > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking > > shit...Nuff > > > > > said > > > > > Nick > > > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Cheese" > > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > > > > > > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so > called > > > > "them > > > > > > song") > > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > **Cheese** > > > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > > > > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend > > and > > > > > fellow > > > > > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my > > party > > > > > before > > > > > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even > there > > > to > > > > > know > > > > > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt > > > have > > > > > made > > > > > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something > > you > > > > > heard > > > > > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about > it. > > i > > > > know > > > > > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still > upset > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly > > > hurt > > > > > > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before > > you > > > > had > > > > > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's > > party... > > > > I'm > > > > > > gona > > > > > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. > Money > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could > boost > > > up > > > > > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed > > > might > > > > I > > > > > > add > > > > > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF > > > > COURSE > > > > > > KEN > > > > > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of > the > > > dj's > > > > > and > > > > > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know > > that > > > > You > > > > > > helped > > > > > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken > > > your > > > > my > > > > > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did > > > allot > > > > > of > > > > > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > --- > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > majordomo@squinky.org > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67900-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 22:32:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26139 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 22:32:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26128 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 22:32:15 -0000 Message-ID: <008501c10410$58ff2ab0$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Cheese" , Cc: "sf" References: <006801c103f4$dc82aea0$100110ac@thenoid> <001e01c10405$1435c3e0$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:33:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: Re: Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> This is my last post you say take this off the list but you post it to the list..Kind of Ironic don't cha think? Like rain on your wedding day woops sorry there I go again.. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: ; "Ecko" Cc: "sf" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: [sfraves] Re: Re: Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> > This is going to be my last post on this subject! > > Where in MY email do i say anything about YOU saying anything about HOW the > party was! i never did... You never went, therefore you never could have had > an opinion on how the ACTUAL party went.... you did however say that the > DJ's never got payed... but you weren't there, so i don't understand how you > would know this... what dj's might i ask, didn't get payed? besides yourself > of course.... do not try and twist my words around.... read my emails more > carefully! > > let's take this shit off the list! > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eckö" > To: > Cc: "sf" > Sent: July 03, 2001 2:14 PM > Subject: F8: Re: Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > Hey Cheese lemme ask you a question..Where in my review does it say > anything > > about how the party was? I was bringing light to some issues I thought at > > the time everyone should know about. And then I apologized for it..Enough > is > > enough you need something to do I suggest you spend more time working or > > something constructive.. > > Nick > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cheese" > > To: "f8" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:48 PM > > Subject: F8: Re: <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > Dj Clumsy wrote: > > > "You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could construed > that > > > you too are an asshole from your posts." > > > > > > Thank you for that comment, i was already coming to the same > conclusion... > > > but if you notice, i never just go out and talk shit without a worthy > > > cause... Nick sent an email about a party that he never even went to, > and > > in > > > this email he talked mad shit about the crew that put it on and it's > > > members... he also stated a few things that were to be beleived as Fact, > > but > > > were, in reality, false... Nick knows the promoter and i beleive he > > actually > > > works with him... > > > > > > I can recall many other occassions where Nick has came out and blatantly > > > insulted people who in NO Way Shape or Form, deserved it... > > > > > > The only person that i ever try to insult on this list, is Nick! and > that > > is > > > for one simple reason, HE IS AN ASSHOLE... > > > > > > p.s. Fuck! are you happy Shaman... > > > > > > Timothy > > > **Cheese** > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "dj clumsy" > > > To: > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 1:08 PM > > > Subject: F8: Re: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > Tim... > > > > > > > > You're making yourself look as bad as Nick. People could construed > that > > > you > > > > too are an asshole from your posts. Personally I'll reserve judgment > on > > > > both. ;) > > > > > > > > Just a thought but... if you disagree with Nick's practices, don't > > follow > > > in > > > > his foot steps. > > > > > > > > Unity Vibe Tribe huh? lmao... that's pretty damn funny from what I've > > > seen > > > > from this crew. > > > > > > > > signing peacefully, > > > > > > > > dave > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Cheese" > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:40 PM > > > > Subject: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the party to > the > > > > list, > > > > > you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own > > > > bussiness, > > > > > OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i recall, you > > > > weren't > > > > > even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > > > > > > > > > > Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would you need to > > > send > > > > > such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an > > > asshole! > > > > > > > > > > and your right, I don't know you... and i have no intentions of ever > > > > meeting > > > > > someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that you > actually > > > > still > > > > > go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually throw them... > > and > > > > you > > > > > have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call your crew > "Unity > > > > Vibe > > > > > Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around and KICKING > > THE > > > > > PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine the Vibe at > > your > > > > > party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked everytime you sit > > down > > > > > from being too tired from dancing... > > > > > > > > > > You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING > > > ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > **Cheese** > > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Eckö" > > > > > To: "Cheese" > > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of > your > > > > > > business...You don't know me so you have no business talking > > > shit...Nuff > > > > > > said > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Cheese" > > > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an > ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so > > called > > > > > "them > > > > > > > song") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > > > > **Cheese** > > > > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > > > > > > To: "Eckö" > > > > > > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > > > > > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > > > > > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a > friend > > > and > > > > > > fellow > > > > > > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my > > > party > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even > > there > > > > to > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you > wouldnt > > > > have > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its > something > > > you > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about > > it. > > > i > > > > > know > > > > > > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still > > upset > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im > truly > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up > before > > > you > > > > > had > > > > > > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's > > > party... > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > gona > > > > > > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. > > Money > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could > > boost > > > > up > > > > > > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very > pissed > > > > might > > > > > I > > > > > > > add > > > > > > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT > OF > > > > > COURSE > > > > > > > KEN > > > > > > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of > > the > > > > dj's > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know > > > that > > > > > You > > > > > > > helped > > > > > > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry > Ken > > > > your > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you > did > > > > allot > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > > > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > --- > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > majordomo@squinky.org > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67901-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 22:33:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30008 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 22:33:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29968 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 22:33:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.98.98.35] From: "Susan Freeman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 15:33:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 22:33:10.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[23BAFF50:01C10410] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] July calendar? Hey sfraves-- In the process of mass deleting some emails, I seem to have deleted the sfraves July calendar of events. Could someone *please* forward it to me privately? Also, any recommendations for this Friday would be cool too! Thanks! ::Suz:: _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67902-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 22:35:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31690 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 22:35:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31680 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 22:35:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703223546.7590.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] just ignore this. nrr you never listen, do you? i hope that you will learn to at some point when things quiet down in there for you.. okay, i am not a music promoter, but from what i can tell, there are A WHOLE LOT OF GUYS who want to be rock stars. besides the fact that a lot of the people i have been meeting are terribly sexist, their art is really corny, and as much as i love corny jokes coming from the right person, i pretty much cannot tolerate it coming from the spoken-and-attempted-to-live-life-as-a-rock-star- boyhood-dream-come-to-life-because-he-took-a-plane-for- the-first-time-by-himself-without-bothering-anyone-and- maybe-i'll-be-the-babe-to-abuse-now-that-he's-on-the- ground! now, you don't even have to wait, actually...you've always got your laptop, and your little hand held whatever it is to spread that shit around. there are plenty of girls who look like me...why can't these people go give them a go, instead? why don't you? it is really gross, and besides the "free cd givaways" and the endless, "oh, i play guitar too", and then i have to sit there and listen to that crap being hammered out while scamming for the EXIT...:)....there's also no love, so like, i'm raving without them whilst they work on their careers, i hope, because i've been making big donations to the trash can. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67903-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 22:36:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34547 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 22:36:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34456 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 22:36:51 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: sfraver_gurl@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 15:36:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 22:36:22.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[95B353F0:01C10410] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July calendar? has there been a July calendar yet? i don't think i ever got it... >Hey sfraves-- > >In the process of mass deleting some emails, I seem to have deleted the >sfraves July calendar of events. > >Could someone *please* forward it to me privately? Also, any >recommendations for this Friday would be cool too! > >Thanks! > >::Suz:: _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67904-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 22:43:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38180 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 22:43:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38170 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 22:43:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.86.1.22] From: "shannon marie hall" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:43:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 22:43:05.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[8612D1E0:01C10411] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] dj siren's email addy if anyone knows it, could you please email it to me?? thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67905-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 23:21:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67509 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 23:21:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67495 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 23:21:07 -0000 From: "The TieDyed Side of the Force" To: "David Lundquist" , , Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:11:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Favorite Old School Trance Song? Please Respond Eat Static - Almost Human (1992) Ride the Music AndyTiedye --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67906-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 23:42:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80210 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 23:42:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80200 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 23:42:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703234248.82991.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: Greg Sandler Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <008e01c10402$4bcf3140$1101000a@litterbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions --- Greg Sandler wrote: > Wow, from the looks of it, Chris must have forgotten > to take his Prozac > today (or was it Lithium?)... eat up Chris.. eat > up... Nice one...thats nice. ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67907-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 23:46:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84629 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 23:46:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84617 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 23:46:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:46:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 23:46:06.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[53A55710:01C1041A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Beautiful Universe 7.13.01 Liquidcafe.com with yet another high octane production leads the way to a... ~~ * BEAUTIFUL UNIVERSE * ~~ Friday July 13, 2001AD 9pm a merge production The Beautiful Line up and comments: http://www.liquidcafe.com/bu2.html {{{ MISSION CONTROL }}} Trance/Techno Dyloot (Skills, SF) Telene (Ear Candy, SF) Trace Evans (Neosundays,Sac) Dust (Wilderbeats/Stylus) Dj Daniel (Y.O.U. productions) Funksion (In Tha Mix) ((||)) CENTRIFUGE ((||)) Bangin' House/Deep House/Progressive House/Garage Ron Reeser aka Dj Rktech (Metropolis/Clockwork eventz, SF) Rick V (In Tha Mix Recordings, Clockwork eventz, Sac) Markus (Kickdrum Recordings, Sac) Jonathan Greathouse (Bump Tribe, Davis) Dennis (Selekta.com/Sagitariun, Sac) Paul Gordon (Liquidcafe.com, Sac) Dan Yoas (A Frame/Houseworks, Sac) :: LAUNCH PAD 1 :::>>> Drum n Bass Presha (Compound Records, SF) Seraphim (Sister, SF) Slim (UMS/Black-Locust.com) Tofu (UMS/Black-Locust.com) Adria (Liquidcafe.com, SF) Starfire (liquidcafe.com,Sac) :: LAUNCH PAD 2 :::>>> Hardcore and NRG Cloudskipper (Liquidvinyl, SF) Valerie Sparks (Liquidvinyl) Tronic (Liquidvinyl) DJ Pat (teknique, Fresno) Shorty (Euphoric Vibe/stealth Ent) Glow (Sweet Factory/Schedule 1, Sac) ::: VIRTUAL GARDEN OF TRANQUILITY ::: Ambient flutes/Reggae Roots Dub/Chillin' Hip Hop and Down Tempo Tony Kalhagen(ambient love lounge/mindscape rec/kalhagen.com) Live PA Da' Spokesperson w/ junglist Dj Slim (Craftmasters) - Live spoken word Fooders (Zulu Nation, Sac) Mad Planet (Zulu Nation, Sac) Kelau and KiYoshi 1 (Scientists of Sound/Chemistry 90.9FM, SF) Note: All artists confirmed. However Lineup is always subject to change. Infolines: 916.466.9113 415.303.7404 Online: http://www.liquidcafe.com/events.html **** GET YOUR PRESALE TICKETS AND SAVE TIME AND MONEY **** Presales Tix - $20 Available now at In Tha Mix Records, 2329 I street, Sacramento 916.442.0499 Skills, 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley(after 7.7.01 sorry for the delay) 510.704.9876 $25 @ the Door Liquidcafe is dedicated to uniting the scene, bringing together artists from Trance, House, Happy Hardcore, NRG, DnB, Trip Hop and down tempo. If you share the vision, and you would like to contribute love and positive energy to the cause, send private email to this email addy. Would you like to promote for this event? Liquidcafe would like to hear from you. Send email to this email addy. ******* LIQUIDCAFE.COM FULLY SUPPORTS A SOBER PARTY EXPERIENCE ******* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67908-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 23:48:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86181 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 23:48:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86171 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 23:48:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010703234800.24351.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TONIGHT! haven't seen this come across the line yet so, here it is for all (yeah, i know... it's 550 but hey, it's for a good cause) Tuesday July 3 - Substance An annual dance-music benefit and party. Featuring DJs John Howard (OM Records), David Harness (Taboo), Markie (Wicked/Green Gorilla), Simon (Come-Unity), Toph One (Redwine Crew), Pause (Redwine Crew), and Wisdom (Beatsauce). The party benefits SFLNC (SF Late Night Coalition) & Project Open Hand. Cocktail reception & Auction 10 - 11:30, auction of donated urban artwork and signed dance music memorabilia at 11 pm. Emceed by TechTV's Music show, Audiofile Host, Liam Mayclem www.techtv.com/audiofile. Background beats by special guest scratch DJ TBA. Produced by David Peterson, Jose Mineros & Juan Garcia Space550 550 Barnevald Ave. San Francisco, CA Doors at 10PM 21+ w/ID (415) 474-1369 ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67909-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 03 23:51:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89047 invoked by uid 1104); 3 Jul 2001 23:51:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89036 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2001 23:51:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.177.152.6] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:52:30 -0700 From: // genome // To: shannon marie hall , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 23:51:20.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F183F80:01C1041B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] dj siren's email addy http://www.groundscore.net/siren/ // genome [Groundscore] // http://groundscore.net // http://eklektic.net // http://www.subversivedesigns.com/genome // genome@subversivedesigns.com // icq/ 49565515 // aim/ genome2K on 7/3/01 3:43 PM, shannon marie hall at shanstar22@hotmail.com wrote: > if anyone knows it, could you please email it to me?? > > thanks! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67910-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:01:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94473 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:01:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94459 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:01:02 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:02:40 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-198-206-67.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.206.67]; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 00:00:57 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP BlueGreen Eggs and Ham > >Saturday, July 7 BlueGreen brings you >BlueGreen Eggs and ham... >All Ages, 8pm-2am $5 >With Dj's >Alias (tranquility, eta) >Elemental (electronica-optica, elemental.nu) >Shaman (bluegreen, sleep deprivation) >Failure (bluegreen, sleep deprivation) > >This will be held at 1426 Mendocino Ave in Santa Rosa >For more info, call (707)325-2606 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67911-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:06:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 645 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:06:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 635 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:06:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [153.18.153.247] From: "sarah qadri" To: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:05:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 00:05:32.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B093500:01C1041D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions wow, i'm surprised at the amount of bitter old men on this list. sarah qadri >From: Switch >To: sarah qadri , ascend@ix.netcom.com, >mirage373@earthlink.net >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:51:40 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- sarah qadri wrote: > > > > well if i was throwing a party with FRANKIE BONES i > > would promote the shit > > out of it too... > > > > sarah > >Why??? > >cj > >===== >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > >http://www.resourcerecords.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67912-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:27:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13907 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:27:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13897 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:27:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.227.50.211] From: "sarah k" To: "SFR hyperreal" Cc: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:28:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1607 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C103E5.A07E2420" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 00:27:08.0688 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F65D100:01C10420] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area:One Music Festival ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C103E5.A07E2420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hey hey - =20 Since i'm still in seattle..... I'll be going to the Area 1 tour up here = on August 3rd. we get nelly fortado too. I LOVE trip hop!!! Shadow, Krush..... some say Tricky is TH - - yeah? OOOOOO I can't WAIT....one more week and I'm BACK to the bay for a little= while. Then back here for a month. Hope to see some of you soon!!! :) SarahGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer= .msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C103E5.A07E2420-- From sfraves-return-67913-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:29:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15342 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:29:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15332 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:29:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.197.154] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: leslie.ayres@sflnc.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:28:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 00:28:40.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[46469560:01C10420] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] my take on the "gangster" thread AMEN......o ya......based on past experiences....ive sid it before, and ill say it again.....GANGSTERS AND GLOWSTICKS DONT MESH WELL....please feel free to correct me, but this is from what i had to see in massives and other parties...they come for the wrong purposes...all the shadyness blurs the whole purpose at these gatherings....thats my two cents. much respect...keep ur morals. peace -choco >From: "leslie ayres" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] my take on the "gangster" thread >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:26:48 -0700 > >in my years in the scene, i've attended a lot of massives, and a few >smaller >parties, where there were people who fit the "gangster" mold. > >and these are different kinds of people. > >some are actually gang members who come to the event with their homies to >hang together and keep themselves separate. maybe they care about the >music, >but it doesn't show. no dancing, no watching the dj. these people make me >sad, because if you are going to stick with your own, you have no chance >for >real growth -- and the gang mentality is completely based on "us" vs. >"them" >-- that mentality is a trap, and while apparently some argue that it's good >for survival in harsh environments, i don't agree. > >i do know people who grew up in real gangs. east l.a. gangs. tough gangs >where many of their friends are no longer alive due to gang warfare caused >by territorialism, drug use, and a loss of regard for any human who is >considered their "enemy." > >gangs that develop as a means for survival are a trap. because survival >isn't growth or development. it's the lowest common level of existence, and >should never be confused with really living. it's like an animal in a >cage, >snarling at anyone who comes close to the cage, even if they're offering a >way out of the cage. > >and this kind of gang develops a comfort level with crimes against other >human beings that is horrifying. i once tried to stop what was about to >become a violent incident with two opposing groups who'd come to a peaceful >event at a maritime party, hoping to explain that their behavior was out of >place in a party based on support and community and acceptance. they didn't >like me, and clearly weren't used to having someone question them, but they >did stop. or at least took it elsewhere. > >then there are the "gangsta-style" kids. the ones who dress alike, trying >to >look tough. this is about posing. it's about walking a certain way, moving >your hands a certain way, wearing your bandana or your pants a certain way. >it's about trying to belong by virtue of modifying your personal choices to >fit the group standard. > >these kids come to parties, and stand together, looking cool. they dance >together, looking cool. they talk together, often about the other people >and >things they see. they're posing, which is natural as adolescents try on >different ways of being to see what works for them. > >in a way, they're the same as the packs of candy ravers, also all dressed >alike from the same stores, wearing the same plastic jewelry, the same >stickers on their face, the same hair styles... it's a different style but >the same pack mentality, and the same kind of "trying on a way of being" -- >it's part of growing up for many people. > >the problem here is that self-expression and individuality is repressed in >either of these scenarios -- because the peer pressure is to fit in, do >whatever the "cool thing" is perceived as. even if it's not you, and not >what you want to be doing. > >so yes, i agree that it's hard to get to know a gangster... but that's >because the 'gangster' and even the 'gangsta-wannabe' has set up a way of >being and behavior that excludes other people. the opportunity that is >there at a rave is only there when that person is willing to separate >themselves from the protection of their familiar group, and venture out as >an individual, having individual interactions with other individuals. > >my experience has shown me that the ones who look the toughest are often >the >softest, sweetest, most vulnerable ones. it's why i happen to love tough >gangster guys, because i know that that shell is usually (no, not always, >but usually) a protection for a gentle and loving human being (at least >when >he's not keeping up an image with his homies). > >you can never judge a book by its cover, but as humans, we need to be >responsible for the fact that the "cover" we project is our own >responsibility. and to really become who we each can be, as individuals who >can make a positive difference in the world, we need to be realistic about >walking away from social structures that really just cage us in. > >hope that made sense. > >leslie > > > > > > > >This reminds me of "REMEMBER THE TITANS" w/Denzel Washington. Those >white > >kids really hated the black ones....until they got to know them although >in > >the streets it's hard to get to know a gangster. But at a rave there is > >atleast an opportunity. > > > >J- > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > .choco. dj_choco@hotmail.com "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to make your own reality." -words by choco _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67914-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:31:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17257 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:31:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17244 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:31:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.197.154] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:31:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 00:31:11.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[A01E7620:01C10420] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: Re: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >well fuck fuckidy fuck. HAHAHA, LOL...i just thought that was funny. peace, choco >From: "D.J. Shaman" >Reply-To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org >To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org >CC: "sf" , "f8" >Subject: Re: F8: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:06:35 -0700 > >At Tuesday, 3 July 2001, "Cheese" wrote: > >You made your own bed, now sleep in it YOU F*CKING >ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Ok, I must know. Why the *? Everyone knows that you're saying FUCK. >To my knowledge there is no censorship here. I guess it doesn't >really matter, but I'm just curious. I see this a lot. When I mean >fuck, I just come out and say fuck. Do you bleep yourself IRL? "holy > it's hot out today!" >well fuck fuckidy fuck. exactly how many times did I say "fuck" in >this email? Seven to be exact, we've still got 3 more to go... >This reminds me of the southpark episode where they said "shit" on >television. Also reminds me of the "uses of fuck" thing that you >can find on mp3 anywhere. (don't know where the fuck it's from though) >Thanks to all for putting up with my ranting. > >Baked, Not Fuck, >Shaman > > > > > > > >Actually Nick, When you posted your little review of the party to >the list, > >you then made it our bussiness... so why don't YOU mind your own >bussiness, > >OR talk directly to the person and not the list... if i recall, >you weren't > >even @ the party, probably because you lost your timeslot... > > > >Isn't Kenneth less than 50 feet away from you? why would you need >to send > >such a nasty email to the list, other than the fact that your an >asshole! > > > >and your right, I don't know you... and i have no intentions of >ever meeting > >someone as Jaded as yourself... i am quite suprised that you actually >still > >go to raves, and even MORE suprised that you actually throw them. >. and you > >have no idea how suprised i am that you actually call your crew >"Unity Vibe > >Tribe".... i mean, it must be very unified going around and KICKING THE > >PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE FLOOR... i could imagine the Vibe >at your > >party's, looking around in fear of getting kicked everytime you >sit down > >from being too tired from dancing... > > > > > >Timothy > >**Cheese** > >itswidow@hotmail.com > >http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Eckö" > >To: "Cheese" > >Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > >Sent: July 03, 2001 12:17 PM > >Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > >> Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your > >> business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit. >.Nuff > >> said > >> Nick > >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >> http://www.core-nrg.net > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Cheese" > >> To: "Eckö" > >> Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM > >> Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > >> > >> > >> > I am going to make this short and simple... > >> > > >> > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > >> > > >> > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so >called > >"them > >> > song") > >> > > >> > Timothy > >> > **Cheese** > >> > itswidow@hotmail.com > >> > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Kenneth Bice" > >> > To: "Eckö" > >> > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > >> > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > >> > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend >and > >> fellow > >> > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and >my party > >> before > >> > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even >there to > >> know > >> > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt >have > >> made > >> > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something >you > >> heard > >> > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about >it. i > >know > >> > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still >upset at > >> the > >> > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im >truly hurt > >> > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before >you > >had > >> > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > >> > > > >> > > laterz > >> > > kenneth > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's >party... > >I'm > >> > gona > >> > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. >Money > >> hungry > >> > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could >boost up > >> > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very >pissed might > >I > >> > add > >> > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF > >COURSE > >> > KEN > >> > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any >of the dj's > >> and > >> > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone >know that > >You > >> > helped > >> > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry >Ken your > >my > >> > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you >did allot > >> of > >> > > > people wrong this weekend. > >> > > > > >> > > > Nick > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- > >> > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > >> > majordomo@squinky.org > >> > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >--------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >--- > >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. >org > >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > >--- >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to >majordomo@squinky.org >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67915-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:34:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18989 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:34:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18979 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:34:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704003446.16842.qmail@web3906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:34:46 -0700 (PDT) From: erin To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] drama.... okay not like any of you posting all of this know me , or probably even care to..i just got to say as damn entertaining as your bickering is, the only thing i can think to compare it to is high school girl drama...seriously, having been one and all! lol for real this just cracks me up...and as to the whole stop the insanity thing, its more like quit your bitching!!! laters, erin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67916-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:36:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20905 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:36:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20895 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:36:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704003643.16990.qmail@web3906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: erin To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] drama.... okay not like any of you posting all of this know me , or probably even care to..i just got to say as entertaining as your bickering is, the only thing i can think to compare it to is high school girl drama...seriously, having been one and all! lol for real this just cracks me up...and as to the whole stop the insanity thing, its more like quit your bitching!!! laters, erin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67917-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:42:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25118 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:42:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25097 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:42:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.122.189] From: "craig newman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:41:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 00:41:49.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C9C9EB0:01C10422] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Breaking into cars at Parties First off, I am not the one. . .that is pretty SHADDY. Second, I can't understand why people leave all that stuff in there cars. I know times are tough and our lives our busy, but think a head. Why keep a whole book of cd's? I bring my cds in my house every night, and change them with new ones if I want, but I never have more than 5 in my car at time. Just use your heads people, I have a 4 year old honda civic, with quit a few improvements to it, which you would think would be a target, but if there is nothing in it, crooks wont hit it. I have parked in the shaddiest run down parts of Sf, Oakland, and La, for parties and nothing ever happens? Mabey I use my head, I suggest the rest of the list startes doing the same! Happee_1 >From: "D.J. Shaman" >Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org >To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Re: F8: Re: To the person who broke into my car at >imagine... >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:33:43 -0700 > >Right on, man. Way to be +. >When I wrote that yesterday I did not even fathom the kind of response >I would receive. Thank you all for your support. This just reminded >me again why I'm in this whole rave community thing. So many people >have emailed me sharing sympathy, similar stories, and offering me >new CD's. >To the person who asked where I got my window replaced, it was this >hole in the wall glass place in Windsor (15 min. north of Santa Rosa) > >I guess at least a couple of people seemed kind of miffed that I >posted this to the lists, because it might be accusing someone on >the lists of commiting the crime. I'm sorry you guys have to be so >negative about that. I was not accusing anyone, and I KNOW that the >person who did it is most likely not on the list, but even if there's >a 1/1million chance, why not? Or why not just write my letter and >hope that it gets passed along to the person who did it? >Or why not just write it to show that you can be positive in times >of dispair? >I don't have any comprehensive insurance, so everything's out of >pocket. I'm fine with that though. I have a CD burner at work, and >DSL, so all it'll take now is time, which I am currently trying to >convince myself doesn't exist. So it all works out great. > >I'm having too good of a week for all this shit to let me down. > >Baked, Not Fried, >Shaman >At Tuesday, 3 July 2001, you wrote: > > >Shaman you are impressive. > > > >Perhaps the jerk that broke into your car isn't reading this one. >. but the > >jerk that broke into mine might be. Like Shaman I lost my book >of CD's but > >the thief wasn't as kind to leave my weed behind, roughly a half >ounce. He > >also made off with my clothes, my toothbrush and toiletries, my >flashlights > >and lanterns, a very special bong handcrafted by yours truly. Plus >my two > >pillows, one of which was handcrafted by my great grandmother, and >something > >I've cared for my entire life. There was other random things such as > >batteries, candles, and a CD player, ouch. Most of the things that you > >stole were replaceable with money but you stole some things that >can NEVER > >be replaced. I hope that you sleep very well on my pillow, in my >clothes, > >while you listen to my music on my CD player and smoke all my weed >out of my > >bong. It's a shame that you felt the need to steal all of this >from me just > >to get some weed. Had you asked me I would have happily smoked >your ass > >stupid all night and might have even invited you into my tent to >sleep on > >the extra bag I had. Instead you took all my stuff and left. I >don't know > >if you kept everything, I imagine that most of it was discarded >as it didn't > >suit your taste, or fit you, I cringe to think my pillow was among >these > >items. I hope that you can sleep well and that your conscious doesn't >eat > >at your soul while you ponder the sadness of your life. Again I >want to > >illustrate how unnecessary it was to do it when I imagine all you >wanted was > >a bowl. Which would have been GIVEN to you happily. How sad. >One more > >thing... I remember who you were, and recall your face clearly. >I wouldn't > >attend too many parties in the future for fear of running into me. >. after > >all a good thief never show's his face in public. > > > >Enjoy my stuff. > > > >-clumsy > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "D.J. Shaman" > >To: ; > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:48 PM > >Subject: F8: To the person who broke into my car at imagine... > > > >> Ok lists, like the topic says, this is to the person who broke my > >> car window and took my CD's at imagine. > >> > >> I'm really sorry that you had to go and break my window to get into > >> my car. I would have gladly opened the door for you had you taken > >> the time to come find me. I do appreciate trying to help me flyer > >> by scattering half of them all over the street, but the point is > >> to get them into the hands of ravers, not on the bottom of wheels. > >> I really hope that you enjoy the 200+ Compact Disks that I have > >> collected over the past 2 years. I have gotten much satisfaction > >> listening to them, and maybe my music will change your life so you > >> don't have to go around breaking car windows and stealing CD's >anymore. > >> I recommend listening to the Deepsky Live CD, the Hybrid bootlegs, > >> PVD's 33 RPM, and the Live Radiohead Bootlegs. Please check out > >> my demo CD in there too, it's a silver CDR labled "shaman sleep dep" > >> Tell me if you like it. > >> > >> Thank you very much for leaving my jar of marijuana, I don't know > >> how I could have coped with the cold ride home (not having a back > >> window) without it. > >> Can I ask what you were looking for in the glove box? It was open > >> when I found it, but nothing was gone. Maybe if you tell me what > >> you were looking for, something might be arranged? > >> The window was only $75 to fix, and if you'd ever like to take me > >> out to dinner or something to make up for that it would be appreciated. > > >> . > >> > >> I hope you have a nice day. > >> Baked, Not Fried, > >> Shaman > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > >majordomo@squinky.org > >> with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > >> > >--- > >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. >org > >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67918-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:47:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28776 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:47:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28755 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:47:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704004745.67475.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ~*SUBMERGE*~ Friday(AUG.10.2001)(2 ROOMS/12 Performers) *BSP* Friday, August 10th, 2001 XTORT Presents...*SUBMERGE* It’s time to get deep, it’s time to Submerge into the greatest sounds ever. Featuring TWO rooms of non-stop energy, featuring: DYLOOT (SKILLS, SF) SIMON APEX (Subsonic Underground) MORGAN (LOTEK Records, SF) DRAGN’FLY (Teknique, Epiphany) VS. AMBER (Epiphany, SF) KOMA (FUSED, SF ) RIGATONY (Sagitariun Productions) DUSTY BROWN (XTORT) (LIVE Performance) SASCHA23 (XTORT) DJ WARREN (XTORT) SAPPHIRE (XTORT) + More TBA.... ALL AGES 16+ WELCOME... FREE posters/cds/stickers to the first 150 people courtesy of ASTRALWERKS, NETTWERK, and ADV Films along with giveaways from XTORT. AMAZING visuals from EYELUSIONS SOUND: TEKNIQUE. LIVE Air-Brush Performance by WWW.SONTI.COM Doors open: 8pm-4am TICKETS: $12 before 11pm, $14 after… XTORT:http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net XTORT'S DATABASE: 916.565.6677 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67919-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:50:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31797 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:50:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31692 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:50:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.20.165.235] From: "DJ Tronic" To: raverfox@hotmail.com, johnjeffreyf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:49:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 00:49:41.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[35D60730:01C10423] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >>and the two NRG sets from Dj Tronic and some other DJ, > >I think that was Lune. Actually.. that was DJ Reese.. Tronic http://www.liquidvinyldjs.com >From: "Crazy Fox" >To: johnjeffreyf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:03:11 -0700 > >>I would like to add my insight on the party: >>what I liked: >>the trippy visuals on the wall, >>the few people that I did meet or bump into >>and the two NRG sets from Dj Tronic and some other DJ, > >I think that was Lune. I've known him to spin hard NRG sets and I missed >hearing him. It was a shame, cause he was the only DJ I knew on the line-up >and I'd come out to show my support for him. > >>and the short trance set by charlie. >>the UG feel of the location and view it presented >>it went all night past 4am.. > >I loved the place. I hope the venue owner had a good experience with us and >would let us use it again. It was definitely a find, tucked away near all >those heavy industrial sites, where no one would give us any trouble. > > >>Didnt like: >>room was kinda hot(lucky it wasnt packed with people) >>the shallow turnout of people(under 200?) > >Now that I can explain for you. The info line wasn't updated till 6 pm >Saturday (when the party started) and all it said was "Go to [the map >point] >on [street name] in Berkeley." Armed with that flimsy knowledge, I went and >found the address number, then drove with a few friends up to Berkeley, >went >20 blocks the wrong way, then figured that maybe after the street numbers >went UP, they'd go DOWN, finally found it... so, from San Jose to the map >point took TWO HOURS. > >The directions were well-written, but didn't say how to get there from the >map point. So after finding our way OUT of Berkeley with assistance from >the >crewmembers at the map point, we made our way to the party site. It was a >hard-won battle, and if I didn't have hella people driving with me, who >really wanted to get their $26 worth rather than drop it and go home... we >might have said 'screw it'. I'm glad we made it to the party at 9:30, >finally, but it could have been handled better. > >>only one room for music(nrg, jungle, happy hardcore >>and hardcore all together) > >Yeah, we were driven away at about 2:30 when the happy hardcore and >hardcore >WOULDN'T STOP PLAYING. I know there are lots of people who enjoy those two >genres; I can listen to it just fine myself if it only lasts for a little >while and I know there's other stuff after it. But that turned out not to >be >the case, and I went home. I mean, if there's only going to be one room, it >should have variety. Mix it up a little. Please. > >See you at the next party! > >raverfox >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67920-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:54:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35234 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:54:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35222 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:54:51 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.122.189] From: "craig newman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:54:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 00:54:21.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCC7C290:01C10423] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> Well, nick, Im not in the middle of this, but what right do you have to talk shit if you werent there, which sort of makes it none of you business. I was not there, but I heard from friends that it was still a decent party. >From: "Eckö" >To: "Cheese" >CC: "sf" , "f8" >Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:17:51 -0700 > >Hey and your a dip shit...No one asked you and this is none of your >business...You don't know me so you have no business talking shit...Nuff >said >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cheese" >To: "Eckö" >Cc: "sf" ; "f8" >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:12 PM >Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > I am going to make this short and simple... > > > > I've said it before, and i'll say it again; Nick's an ASSHOLE!!!! > > > > (anyone remember the song he posted a few months back? his so called >"them > > song") > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kenneth Bice" > > To: "Eckö" > > Cc: "sf" ; "f8" > > Sent: July 03, 2001 10:53 AM > > Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] <<33 by 120 review...>> > > > > > > > well nick for starters im truly disappointed in you as a friend and >fellow > > > promoter, first that you would talk like this about me and my party >before > > > even talking to me about it... secondly that you werent even there to >know > > > anything about the party. had you talked to me first you wouldnt have >made > > > this post. third, i dont know what you heard, but its something you >heard > > > and did not bother to talk to me about before going off about it. i >know > > > you already apologized about some of this stuff but im still upset at >the > > > fact that you can so easily stick the knife in my back. im truly hurt > > > by this. especially since i was at your party setting up before you >had > > > even managed to get there. thanks for your support nick. > > > > > > laterz > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eckö wrote: > > > > > > > Okay so everyone has seen the great reviews for Kenneth's party... >I'm > > gona > > > > let everyone in on the side they didn't see or hear about. Money >hungry > > > > Kenneth moved the venue to a one room location so he could boost up > > > > capacity. By him doing this a lot of dj's that are very pissed might >I > > add > > > > didn't get to play or got shafted into a 45 minute set.(BUT OF >COURSE > > KEN > > > > GOT TO PLAY FOR AN HOUR) Any ways Kenneth didn't pay any of the dj's >and > > > > shafted a bunch of us and I just wanted to let everyone know that >You > > helped > > > > put 3,000 dollars into a shady promoters pocket. I'm sorry Ken your >my > > > > friend but phat cow will never have our support again, you did allot >of > > > > people wrong this weekend. > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > majordomo@squinky.org > > > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67921-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 00:55:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37860 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 00:55:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37849 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 00:55:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704005537.65095.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: DJ CHOCO , leslie.ayres@sflnc.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] my take on the "gangster" thread They don't mix? huh? no, you don't say??? I guess that is why my "gangsta" friend gave me all his glowsticks when he caught wind that i was going to imagine. much love, your little star ^.^ --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > AMEN......o ya......based on past experiences....ive > sid it before, and ill > say it again.....GANGSTERS AND GLOWSTICKS DONT MESH > WELL....please feel free > to correct me, but this is from what i had to see in > massives and other > parties...they come for the wrong purposes...all the > shadyness blurs the > whole purpose at these gatherings....thats my two > cents. much respect...keep > ur morals. peace > > -choco > > > >From: "leslie ayres" > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] my take on the "gangster" thread > >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:26:48 -0700 > > > >in my years in the scene, i've attended a lot of > massives, and a few > >smaller > >parties, where there were people who fit the > "gangster" mold. > > > >and these are different kinds of people. > > > >some are actually gang members who come to the > event with their homies to > >hang together and keep themselves separate. maybe > they care about the > >music, > >but it doesn't show. no dancing, no watching the > dj. these people make me > >sad, because if you are going to stick with your > own, you have no chance > >for > >real growth -- and the gang mentality is completely > based on "us" vs. > >"them" > >-- that mentality is a trap, and while apparently > some argue that it's good > >for survival in harsh environments, i don't agree. > > > >i do know people who grew up in real gangs. east > l.a. gangs. tough gangs > >where many of their friends are no longer alive due > to gang warfare caused > >by territorialism, drug use, and a loss of regard > for any human who is > >considered their "enemy." > > > >gangs that develop as a means for survival are a > trap. because survival > >isn't growth or development. it's the lowest common > level of existence, and > >should never be confused with really living. it's > like an animal in a > >cage, > >snarling at anyone who comes close to the cage, > even if they're offering a > >way out of the cage. > > > >and this kind of gang develops a comfort level with > crimes against other > >human beings that is horrifying. i once tried to > stop what was about to > >become a violent incident with two opposing groups > who'd come to a peaceful > >event at a maritime party, hoping to explain that > their behavior was out of > >place in a party based on support and community and > acceptance. they didn't > >like me, and clearly weren't used to having someone > question them, but they > >did stop. or at least took it elsewhere. > > > >then there are the "gangsta-style" kids. the ones > who dress alike, trying > >to > >look tough. this is about posing. it's about > walking a certain way, moving > >your hands a certain way, wearing your bandana or > your pants a certain way. > >it's about trying to belong by virtue of modifying > your personal choices to > >fit the group standard. > > > >these kids come to parties, and stand together, > looking cool. they dance > >together, looking cool. they talk together, often > about the other people > >and > >things they see. they're posing, which is natural > as adolescents try on > >different ways of being to see what works for them. > > > >in a way, they're the same as the packs of candy > ravers, also all dressed > >alike from the same stores, wearing the same > plastic jewelry, the same > >stickers on their face, the same hair styles... > it's a different style but > >the same pack mentality, and the same kind of > "trying on a way of being" -- > >it's part of growing up for many people. > > > >the problem here is that self-expression and > individuality is repressed in > >either of these scenarios -- because the peer > pressure is to fit in, do > >whatever the "cool thing" is perceived as. even if > it's not you, and not > >what you want to be doing. > > > >so yes, i agree that it's hard to get to know a > gangster... but that's > >because the 'gangster' and even the > 'gangsta-wannabe' has set up a way of > >being and behavior that excludes other people. the > opportunity that is > >there at a rave is only there when that person is > willing to separate > >themselves from the protection of their familiar > group, and venture out as > >an individual, having individual interactions with > other individuals. > > > >my experience has shown me that the ones who look > the toughest are often > >the > >softest, sweetest, most vulnerable ones. it's why i > happen to love tough > >gangster guys, because i know that that shell is > usually (no, not always, > >but usually) a protection for a gentle and loving > human being (at least > >when > >he's not keeping up an image with his homies). > > > >you can never judge a book by its cover, but as > humans, we need to be > >responsible for the fact that the "cover" we > project is our own > >responsibility. and to really become who we each > can be, as individuals who > >can make a positive difference in the world, we > need to be realistic about > >walking away from social structures that really > just cage us in. > > > >hope that made sense. > > > >leslie > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This reminds me of "REMEMBER THE TITANS" w/Denzel > Washington. Those > >white > > >kids really hated the black ones....until they > got to know them although > >in > > >the streets it's hard to get to know a gangster. > But at a rave there is > > >atleast an opportunity. > > > > > >J- > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > .choco. > dj_choco@hotmail.com > "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your > own imagination to make > your own reality." -words by choco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67922-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 01:24:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56811 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 01:24:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56797 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 01:24:52 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:34:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] August's Full Moon Will Be Better.... After much thinking about the ebb and flow of the universe these days, the people I talk with tell me that August seems to be a better time to howl at the moon... Keep the faith. Much love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67923-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 01:27:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59119 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 01:27:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59109 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 01:27:54 -0000 Message-ID: <3B427132.28796051@home.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:28:21 -0700 From: "lyds@home.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sarah qadri CC: svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: My final observation on the weekend, Imagine vs. Warped Tour Yeah really, you beat me to it. The difference with raves is that usually the drug use is pretty blatant. A pacifier might as well have a sign that says, "Hello I'm on Ecstasy" and I really don't see a conscious effort from the majority of party kids to conceal their drug use either. Maybe at Imagine it was different, but I've also heard overwhelming stories of police presence so maybe some people changed their minds about rolling. And the cops are more worried about raves because there are harder drugs being used more often. Other music events I have gone to have had people on drugs and all sorts of fucked up, but the majority of the time they are just drunk or high which is a bit different and more acceptable then being on E or Acid or whatever... It bothers me when people try and downplay the drug use so much or compare it to concerts, because the concerts are much more soft. Peace, Lydia And wow was it hot today! sarah qadri wrote: > smoking pot. drinking. selling pipes...sounds like pretty much every outdoor > event you go to > > sarah > >From: "John B." > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] SRR: My final observation on the weekend, Imagine vs. > >Warped Tour > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I had meant to mention this back when we were all talking about the Warped > >Tour, but it slipped my mind. Apollo's thread about the large number of > >pigs > >harassing the atendees at Imagine reminded me that I wanted to point out > >the > >difference and the hipocracy. > > > >I saw FAR more OPEN drug use at the Warped Tour saturday afternoon than I > >did > >at Imagine friday night. Seems as you could hardly get away from the stage > >areas without spotting or smelling a circle of peeps passing around a pipe > >or > >joint. In fact, there were tents there SELLING pipes and rolling papers! > >Oh, > >and the alcohol being served.... oh wait... the beer industry donates > >millions > >to the GOP, therefore alcohol's not *really* a drug... mkay. > > > >Imagine? Yeah, some people were rolling, but most were discrete and > >non-obvious about it. Certianly it was nowhere NEAR the Epuddle-fest that > >Popsikle or Tranceformers were. > > > >And yet, the security presence at warped? No roaming, armed rent-a-thugs > >at > >warped. The security presence at warped was at the gate (unarmed), at the > >entrance to the beer gardens (unarmed), and at the stages behind the > >barricades > >(also unarmed). The only ARMED security I saw all day were two SFPD that > >seemed to be just roaming back and forth between the beer gardens. > > > >Security at Imagine... Well, yes, in retrospect, it was WAY excessive. I > >guess I just got so used to the 1015/Maratime thugs that anything less > >invasive > >seems light. > > > >At warped, a quick patdown on the way in, and you hardly saw another thug > >all > >day. Imagine... patdown... not overly invasive like 1015 tho... but metal > >detectors??? At a partie??? If anything, Warped would have been the place > >for > >metal detectors (tho they would be STILL be excessive paranoia there), as > >the > >punk rock crowd tends to be rathar more violent (tho not usually malacious) > >than any partie crowd *I*'ve seen. And ARMED pigs, patrolling a partie... > >WTF!!! > > > >If anyone has EVER ancountered a crowd of ravers so prone to violence that > >metal detectors and armen rent-a-thugs would have been justified, I'd sure > >be > >curious to hear about it. > > > > > >peace > >john > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67924-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 01:55:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76097 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 01:55:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75983 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 01:55:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 01:54:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 01:54:28.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[42D08B00:01C1042C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] my take on the "gangster" thread Seriously, not all "gangsters" go to parties to be jerk offs. Some actually come to have a good time. Like someone mentioned earlier, they are PEOPLE AS WELL. Can some of you against partying "gangsters" atleast just admit that? Then it doesn't make you seem so close minded and prejudiced. I think as long as immature, stupid ones don't start penetrating the ug parties there really shouldn't be any bitching because they don't call massives Massives for nothing. Stereotype test: What is the definition of a gangster to you? A thug mentality? That is not a gangster. That's part of their make-up but that's not what a gangster is. I think some of you mean to bash on thugs. Unfortunately Hip Hop fashion suggests a thug and those are the folks you guys are pointing the finger at. Hip Hoppers know the time especially the ug hip-hoppers. Same as ug ravers. Let's quit this bs'n and get to know one another. >AMEN......o ya......based on past experiences....ive sid it before, and ill >say it again.....GANGSTERS AND GLOWSTICKS DONT MESH WELL....please feel >free >to correct me, but this is from what i had to see in massives and other >parties...they come for the wrong purposes...all the shadyness blurs the >whole purpose at these gatherings....thats my two cents. much >respect...keep >ur morals. peace > >-choco > > >>From: "leslie ayres" >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: [sfraves] my take on the "gangster" thread >>Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:26:48 -0700 >> >>in my years in the scene, i've attended a lot of massives, and a few >>smaller >>parties, where there were people who fit the "gangster" mold. >> >>and these are different kinds of people. >> >>some are actually gang members who come to the event with their homies to >>hang together and keep themselves separate. maybe they care about the >>music, >>but it doesn't show. no dancing, no watching the dj. these people make me >>sad, because if you are going to stick with your own, you have no chance >>for >>real growth -- and the gang mentality is completely based on "us" vs. >>"them" >>-- that mentality is a trap, and while apparently some argue that it's >>good >>for survival in harsh environments, i don't agree. >> >>i do know people who grew up in real gangs. east l.a. gangs. tough gangs >>where many of their friends are no longer alive due to gang warfare caused >>by territorialism, drug use, and a loss of regard for any human who is >>considered their "enemy." >> >>gangs that develop as a means for survival are a trap. because survival >>isn't growth or development. it's the lowest common level of existence, >>and >>should never be confused with really living. it's like an animal in a >>cage, >>snarling at anyone who comes close to the cage, even if they're offering a >>way out of the cage. >> >>and this kind of gang develops a comfort level with crimes against other >>human beings that is horrifying. i once tried to stop what was about to >>become a violent incident with two opposing groups who'd come to a >>peaceful >>event at a maritime party, hoping to explain that their behavior was out >>of >>place in a party based on support and community and acceptance. they >>didn't >>like me, and clearly weren't used to having someone question them, but >>they >>did stop. or at least took it elsewhere. >> >>then there are the "gangsta-style" kids. the ones who dress alike, trying >>to >>look tough. this is about posing. it's about walking a certain way, moving >>your hands a certain way, wearing your bandana or your pants a certain >>way. >>it's about trying to belong by virtue of modifying your personal choices >>to >>fit the group standard. >> >>these kids come to parties, and stand together, looking cool. they dance >>together, looking cool. they talk together, often about the other people >>and >>things they see. they're posing, which is natural as adolescents try on >>different ways of being to see what works for them. >> >>in a way, they're the same as the packs of candy ravers, also all dressed >>alike from the same stores, wearing the same plastic jewelry, the same >>stickers on their face, the same hair styles... it's a different style but >>the same pack mentality, and the same kind of "trying on a way of being" >>-- >>it's part of growing up for many people. >> >>the problem here is that self-expression and individuality is repressed in >>either of these scenarios -- because the peer pressure is to fit in, do >>whatever the "cool thing" is perceived as. even if it's not you, and not >>what you want to be doing. >> >>so yes, i agree that it's hard to get to know a gangster... but that's >>because the 'gangster' and even the 'gangsta-wannabe' has set up a way of >>being and behavior that excludes other people. the opportunity that is >>there at a rave is only there when that person is willing to separate >>themselves from the protection of their familiar group, and venture out as >>an individual, having individual interactions with other individuals. >> >>my experience has shown me that the ones who look the toughest are often >>the >>softest, sweetest, most vulnerable ones. it's why i happen to love tough >>gangster guys, because i know that that shell is usually (no, not always, >>but usually) a protection for a gentle and loving human being (at least >>when >>he's not keeping up an image with his homies). >> >>you can never judge a book by its cover, but as humans, we need to be >>responsible for the fact that the "cover" we project is our own >>responsibility. and to really become who we each can be, as individuals >>who >>can make a positive difference in the world, we need to be realistic about >>walking away from social structures that really just cage us in. >> >>hope that made sense. >> >>leslie >> >> >> >> > >> >> >This reminds me of "REMEMBER THE TITANS" w/Denzel Washington. Those >>white >> >kids really hated the black ones....until they got to know them although >>in >> >the streets it's hard to get to know a gangster. But at a rave there is >> >atleast an opportunity. >> > >> >J- >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >.choco. >dj_choco@hotmail.com >"reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to >make >your own reality." -words by choco > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67925-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 02:20:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84409 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 02:20:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84397 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 02:20:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.54.129.14] From: "... ! ..." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:19:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 02:19:33.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3A66300:01C1042F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SRR: Naughty Toys Could someone please explain to me on what terms it's ok for law enforcement to search, seize, or otherwise hassle someone in possesion of a pacifier? I suppose the discretion of the officer is enough to determine paraphernalia? Is there some sort of Don't list that I am unaware of? Legally speaking, of course... Ok Thanks, - Qubit Q. (Not inclined to use them, I just want to know.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67926-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 02:28:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89618 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 02:28:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89603 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 02:28:24 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c10431$66df3fa0$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:31:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C103F6.B96C3880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SERENITY - THIS SATURDAY!!! = Rockin party!!! ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C103F6.B96C3880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable YO!!! 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X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: Naughty Toys ["... ! ..." ] > Could someone please explain to me on what terms it's ok for law enforcement > to search, seize, or otherwise hassle someone in possesion of a pacifier? > > I suppose the discretion of the officer is enough to determine > paraphernalia? > > Is there some sort of Don't list that I am unaware of? Legally speaking, of > course... In the normal course of a day, it's not really ok. They are in a blurry area where they are now sort of considered to be actual drug paraphenelia. The decision in New Orleans gives a District Attorney a leg to stand on if the police decide crack down on the sub-culture. So basically, that sort of paraphenelia is now LEGALLY to be drug paraphenelia, not unlike a crack pipe, a bowl, or a syringe. It hasn't been tested in court yet. i.e. someone who got busted for having a pacifier could argue in front of a judge or jury that it's not. Their decision influences other cases until you have a large body of precedent in one direction or the other. But what's the real story? Ecstacy gear has now entered this legal gray area, until there is a larger body of legal precedents one or the other. This means the police can confiscate it, if they feel like it. And you can sue them over it, if you feel like it. I just highly doubt that anyone but maybe the ACLU is going to sue over a confiscated pacifier. But at a place like Imagine, it's a little different. Unity had a contract with the city. As part of that negotiation, the city can stipulate whatever they would like, and Unity can say, "OK," or, "Fuck off, we'll take our party elsewhere." I would bet that if you were at Imagine and one of the cops wanted your pacifier, you could have told him/her, "No, I'll keep it, thank you," and you'd have to leave. There it's a venue specific issue, not a legal/illegal issue. -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67928-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 02:52:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6149 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 02:52:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6139 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 02:52:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704025120.9545.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jen Nam To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] anything happening???? hey, does anyone know if there is anything happening this week in SF or Oakland? Thanks!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67929-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 03:32:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22644 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 03:32:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22625 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 03:32:28 -0000 Message-ID: <008101c1043a$8248ade0$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:36:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C103FF.D41D0520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The SN&R article for those who didnt catch it. (And for those in SF who dont know about it) ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C103FF.D41D0520 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_007E_01C103FF.D41D0520" ------=_NextPart_001_007E_01C103FF.D41D0520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Footloose redux=20 Stop the music! Sacramento city government is cracking down on dancing = by 18- to 21-year-olds, but the target is really hip-hop in Old Sac=20 By Margo Whitmire=20 =20 Photo By Jill Wagner=20 =20 Dancers revel in the freedom of expression, a freedom that = may soon be limited to after 5 p.m.=20 =20 =20 =20 It is early evening at The Rage--the air outside heady with nervous = excitement and cigarette smoke, the air inside steamy from hormonally = charged bodies entangled under the strobe lights.=20 This local black-walled nightclub is a haven for dancers who are too = young for the bars, and too old for the high school coffee house = hangout. The 18-to-21 crowd is drawn by reasonable admission prices, = along with the option to order a Coke.=20 It is also the business that may have the most to lose if proposed = changes to the city's Dance Ordinance are passed by the Sacramento City = Council.=20 In a bizarre attempt to regulate the city's nightlife, the Sacramento = Police Department, together with the Department of Convention, Culture = and Leisure (who among you knew this existed?), have drafted a revised = ordinance that, if passed, would essentially leave area nightclubs at = the mercy of arbitrary regulations and the police department.=20 Under the new ordinance, those under 21 would not be allowed in any = clubs that have a liquor license past 10 p.m., leaving clubs like The = Rage without a strong client base.=20 "We're 18-and-over five out of the six nights we're open. It would = destroy our business," said Mitch Shintaku, who works as a barman at The = Rage.=20 And that's only the beginning of the potential effects. Demonstrating = the incongruous nature of this new ordinance is the decree that clubs = not allow any type of dancing before 5 p.m. Ever. No tango, no ballroom, = no square dancing.=20 Linda DeLong, administrative services officer for the leisure = department, admitted that 5 o'clock was "arbitrarily selected."=20 "You can't tell me when to dance!" said the owner of Faces, Terry Sidie, = eyes widening in his tanned face. "It's not fair. It's like what Hitler = did when he started making it a police state."=20 And the police do play a key role in the ordinance. Club owners would = now be required to submit an application for a permit renewal to the = police department every two years, while the current law allows owners = their permit for life.=20 "Does that mean that if you happen to offend somebody at the police = department, that they're the sole person who says I'm out of business?" = asks Sidie, who has had the same permit for 16 years.=20 DeLong defended the change, saying that some club owners were making = major changes to their building and music formats. "This is basically a = way to touch base and review a club's history to see if they have = possibly been causing trouble in the neighborhoods."=20 Sergeant Daniel Hahn with the police department added, "We get a lot of = complaints about certain clubs, so it's a way to keep track of the = number of calls made to us about a club, and work with them on it." Or = perhaps deny a license renewal if neighbors with political clout make a = stink with city council members.=20 The motivation for the change appears to stem from problems last summer = between the Old Sacramento Citizens and Merchants Association (OSCMA) = and the owners of Tabloid 95 and Caf=E9 New Orleans, clubs located in = Old Sacramento. Both owners were threatened with legal action by the = OSCMA and told to stop catering to the "hip-hop crowd." The nightclub = owners believe that the term "hip-hop crowd" was used by OSCMA to target = the predominantly African-American and Hispanic clientele (see SN&R = January 4, 2001, "Hip Hop's Bad Rap").=20 Police deny any link between problems in Old Town and the decision to = revise the ordinance. "To say it's Old Sac would be wrong. It's a = city-wide ordinance. We've had incidents in other parts of the city." = But Hahn couldn't name any when questioned. DeLong, however, did admit = to a connection. "The OSCMA was involved initially. They wanted someone = to do something about the clubs, and that's when they approached police = about [the ordinance]." DeLong also stated that a draft of the revised = ordinance was submitted to the Old Sacramento Management Board, the = board that oversees the OSCMA, for approval.=20 Adding fuel to this Old Sac speculation is the fact that police = currently have their eye on the very spot that this ordinance seems to = be targeting. If they get their way, the underground dance locale of = Tabloid 95 will be turned into a Police Service Center when its lease = expires at the end of the summer.=20 =20 Photo By Jill Wagner=20 =20 Instead of a lifelong dance permit, club owners may have to = renew their permit every two years.=20 =20 =20 =20 Richard Burton, attorney for Caf=E9 New Orleans, believes that this new = ordinance is a way for police to force out the clubs they've had = problems with. With the Friday and Saturday night police barricades = outside, Old Sac club owners have already seen close to a 50 percent = drop in business. Burton believes the ordinance is just the final push. = "If [the police] don't like you, they're going to cite you. It gives way = too much power to law enforcement."=20 Jeff Kravitz, attorney for Tabloid 95, agreed, and is ready for a legal = challenge: "We're going to fight this tooth and nail."=20 A revised Dance Ordinance has a tentative date of July 24 for review by = the Law and Legislative Committee. If they approve it, it goes to the = City Council for a final vote on August 9.=20 Mason Wong, owner of The Rage, is hoping that because this is a draft, = his club may be spared. "They might 'grandfather' it, the people that = have held [18-and-over nights] all along will be left alone to keep on = doing it."=20 If not, Wong may be in agreement with this statement made by Kravitz: = "In a free society, everything is allowed except for that which is = prohibited. In a police state, you have a situation where everything is = prohibited, except for that which is allowed, and this ordinance is = definitely moving in the direction of a police state."=20 ------=_NextPart_001_007E_01C103FF.D41D0520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Footloose=20 redux
Stop=20 the music! Sacramento city government is cracking down on dancing by 18- = to=20 21-year-olds, but the target is really hip-hop in Old Sac=20

By Margo Whitmire

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Photo By Jill Wagner
Dancers=20 revel in the freedom of expression, a freedom that may soon = be=20 limited to after 5 p.m.
It is = early evening at=20 The Rage--the air outside heady with nervous excitement and cigarette = smoke, the=20 air inside steamy from hormonally charged bodies entangled under the = strobe=20 lights.=20

This local black-walled nightclub is a haven for dancers who are too = young=20 for the bars, and too old for the high school coffee house hangout. The = 18-to-21=20 crowd is drawn by reasonable admission prices, along with the option to = order a=20 Coke.=20

It is also the business that may have the most to lose if proposed = changes to=20 the city’s Dance Ordinance are passed by the Sacramento City = Council.=20

In a bizarre attempt to regulate the city’s nightlife, the = Sacramento Police=20 Department, together with the Department of Convention, Culture and = Leisure (who=20 among you knew this existed?), have drafted a revised ordinance that, if = passed,=20 would essentially leave area nightclubs at the mercy of arbitrary = regulations=20 and the police department.=20

Under the new ordinance, those under 21 would not be allowed in any = clubs=20 that have a liquor license past 10 p.m., leaving clubs like The Rage = without a=20 strong client base.=20

“We’re 18-and-over five out of the six nights we’re = open. It would destroy=20 our business,” said Mitch Shintaku, who works as a barman at The = Rage.=20

And that’s only the beginning of the potential effects. = Demonstrating the=20 incongruous nature of this new ordinance is the decree that clubs not = allow any=20 type of dancing before 5 p.m. Ever. No tango, no ballroom, no square = dancing.=20

Linda DeLong, administrative services officer for the leisure = department,=20 admitted that 5 o’clock was “arbitrarily selected.”=20

“You can’t tell me when to dance!” said the owner = of Faces, Terry Sidie, eyes=20 widening in his tanned face. “It’s not fair. It’s like = what Hitler did when he=20 started making it a police state.”=20

And the police do play a key role in the ordinance. Club owners would = now be=20 required to submit an application for a permit renewal to the police = department=20 every two years, while the current law allows owners their permit for = life.=20

“Does that mean that if you happen to offend somebody at the = police=20 department, that they’re the sole person who says I’m out of = business?” asks=20 Sidie, who has had the same permit for 16 years.=20

DeLong defended the change, saying that some club owners were making = major=20 changes to their building and music formats. “This is basically a = way to touch=20 base and review a club’s history to see if they have possibly been = causing=20 trouble in the neighborhoods.”=20

Sergeant Daniel Hahn with the police department added, “We get = a lot of=20 complaints about certain clubs, so it’s a way to keep track of the = number of=20 calls made to us about a club, and work with them on it.” Or = perhaps deny a=20 license renewal if neighbors with political clout make a stink with city = council=20 members.=20

The motivation for the change appears to stem from problems last = summer=20 between the Old Sacramento Citizens and Merchants Association (OSCMA) = and the=20 owners of Tabloid 95 and Caf=E9 New Orleans, clubs located in Old = Sacramento. Both=20 owners were threatened with legal action by the OSCMA and told to stop = catering=20 to the “hip-hop crowd.” The nightclub owners believe that = the term “hip-hop=20 crowd” was used by OSCMA to target the predominantly = African-American and=20 Hispanic clientele (see SN&R January 4, 2001, “Hip Hop’s = Bad Rap”).=20

Police deny any link between problems in Old Town and the decision to = revise=20 the ordinance. “To say it’s Old Sac would be wrong. = It’s a city-wide ordinance.=20 We’ve had incidents in other parts of the city.” But Hahn = couldn’t name any when=20 questioned. DeLong, however, did admit to a connection. “The OSCMA = was involved=20 initially. They wanted someone to do something about the clubs, and = that’s when=20 they approached police about [the ordinance].” DeLong also stated = that a draft=20 of the revised ordinance was submitted to the Old Sacramento Management = Board,=20 the board that oversees the OSCMA, for approval.=20

Adding fuel to this Old Sac speculation is the fact that police = currently=20 have their eye on the very spot that this ordinance seems to be = targeting. If=20 they get their way, the underground dance locale of Tabloid 95 will be = turned=20 into a Police Service Center when its lease expires at the end of the = summer.=20

=
3D""=20
Photo By Jill Wagner
Instead of=20 a lifelong dance permit, club owners may have to renew their = permit=20 every two years.
Richard Burton, = attorney=20 for Caf=E9 New Orleans, believes that this new ordinance is a way for = police to=20 force out the clubs they’ve had problems with. With the Friday and = Saturday=20 night police barricades outside, Old Sac club owners have already seen = close to=20 a 50 percent drop in business. Burton believes the ordinance is just the = final=20 push. “If [the police] don’t like you, they’re going = to cite you. It gives way=20 too much power to law enforcement.”=20

Jeff Kravitz, attorney for Tabloid 95, agreed, and is ready for a = legal=20 challenge: “We’re going to fight this tooth and nail.” =

A revised Dance Ordinance has a tentative date of July 24 for review = by the=20 Law and Legislative Committee. If they approve it, it goes to the City = Council=20 for a final vote on August 9.=20

Mason Wong, owner of The Rage, is hoping that because this is a = draft, his=20 club may be spared. “They might 'grandfather’ it, the people = that have held=20 [18-and-over nights] all along will be left alone to keep on doing = it.”=20

If not, Wong may be in agreement with this statement made by Kravitz: = “In a=20 free society, everything is allowed except for that which is prohibited. = In a=20 police state, you have a situation where everything is prohibited, = except for=20 that which is allowed, and this ordinance is definitely moving in the = direction=20 of a police state.”


 
------=_NextPart_001_007E_01C103FF.D41D0520-- ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C103FF.D41D0520-- From sfraves-return-67930-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 03:34:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24970 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 03:34:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24959 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 03:34:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: sarah qadri cc: , , , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, sarah qadri wrote: -&e->wow, i'm surprised at the amount of bitter old men on this list. Hey, some of us haven't even posted today! andyw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67931-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 03:38:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27413 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 03:38:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27398 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 03:38:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704033825.9209.qmail@web3901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: erin To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] re:drama okay when i sent a post earlier, i got this reply sent back to me, but yet it showed up on the next digest...i was just wondering if one of the admins on this list could explain!Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content. Place = sfraves@hyperreal.org; ; Sender = erin Subject = [sfraves] drama.... Delivery Time = July 03, 2001 (Tuesday) 17:36:40 Policy = Sexual Discrimination Action on this mail = Quarantine message Warning message from administrator: Sender, Content filter has detected Sexual Discrimination remarks in your e-mail. Your Mail message was not delivered to the recipient i laughed so hard about the "sexual discrimination" thing...erin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67932-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 03:47:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30257 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 03:47:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30246 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 03:47:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704034731.7142.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Princess Arielle To: AndyW , sarah qadri Cc: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions So, which of the "grumpy old men" are we? The Walter Matthau or the Jack Lemmon character in the movie? I'd be the Sophia Loren character... I was bummed to hear Jack Lemmon died last week. :( -ariel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67933-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 04:15:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46116 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 04:15:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46105 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 04:15:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:15:39 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010703211539.A24708@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010704033825.9209.qmail@web3901.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20010704033825.9209.qmail@web3901.mail.yahoo.com>; from ebug420@yahoo.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 08:38:25PM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re:drama That actually has nothing to do with the list. What has happened is that someone has subscribed an email address to the list where their email is filtered, either by an employer, parents, or a school. When that person gets email from the list that the filter catches, it sends a message back to the poster, not to the list. There was something (and you really shouldn't worry about what... filter software is so fucked-in-the-head in the first place) in your message, maybe even the quoted content, not even what you sent, that offended the filter. I've gotten a message like this, too. Just ignore it. If I had to guess, I'd say it was the phrase "bitching" that it didn't. (And now we'll see if I get one of these messages. :) > okay when i sent a post earlier, i got this reply sent > back to me, but yet it showed up on the next > digest...i was just wondering if one of the admins on > this list could explain!Trend SMEX Content Filter has > detected sensitive content. > > Place = sfraves@hyperreal.org; ; > Sender = erin > Subject = [sfraves] drama.... > Delivery Time = July 03, 2001 (Tuesday) 17:36:40 > Policy = Sexual Discrimination > Action on this mail = Quarantine message > > Warning message from administrator: > Sender, Content filter has detected Sexual > Discrimination remarks in > your > e-mail. Your Mail message was not delivered to the > recipient > > i laughed so hard about the "sexual discrimination" > thing...erin > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67934-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 04:53:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63496 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 04:53:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63486 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 04:53:37 -0000 Message-ID: <005501c10446$c8086620$0301510c@sjsu.edu> From: "n i c o" To: "COTS" , References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:04:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give your > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make any > compensation? Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as Chris or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you ever > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far up your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least say > something positive every once in a while).... Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought about getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. n i c o p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67935-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 06:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82162 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 06:03:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82145 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 06:03:06 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.202.183.44] From: "- shannon -" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:02:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 06:02:36.0030 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC3A79E0:01C1044E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] Who the heck went and made you the list king? Shut the hell up and stop causeing useless drama!! >From: "n i c o" >To: "COTS" , >Subject: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:04:16 -0700 > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give your > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make any > > compensation? > >Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as >Chris >or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you >ever > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... > >You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far up >your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least >say > > something positive every once in a while).... > >Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought about >getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > >n i c o > >p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67936-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 06:51:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98214 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 06:51:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98204 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 06:51:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.199.57] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: thedfdoc@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:51:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 06:51:08.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4687380:01C10455] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] my take on the "gangster" thread tru tru tru....yes, not 'all' come to be jerk offs. its just that, what im sayin is from what I experienced....i am NO way making a generalization...i have 'gansta' type friends that DO go to parties, even ug's and theyre hella cool.....and yes, they are people...i agree to that...and i guess i should be more careful by choosing my words....the phrase "gangsters with glowstix" was an old phrase my friend used to say all the time when he went to massives and i guess i just got caught up on that. and the definition for "gangster" for me is not the mentality....its something else i cannot quite describe. so ya, sorry if i caused any confusion...peace. -choco >From: "DF doc" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] my take on the "gangster" thread >Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 01:54:28 -0000 > >Seriously, not all "gangsters" go to parties to be jerk offs. Some >actually >come to have a good time. Like someone mentioned earlier, they are PEOPLE >AS WELL. Can some of you against partying "gangsters" atleast just admit >that? Then it doesn't make you seem so close minded and prejudiced. > >I think as long as immature, stupid ones don't start penetrating the ug >parties there really shouldn't be any bitching because they don't call >massives Massives for nothing. > >Stereotype test: What is the definition of a gangster to you? A thug >mentality? That is not a gangster. That's part of their make-up but >that's >not what a gangster is. I think some of you mean to bash on thugs. >Unfortunately Hip Hop fashion suggests a thug and those are the folks you >guys are pointing the finger at. Hip Hoppers know the time especially the >ug hip-hoppers. Same as ug ravers. Let's quit this bs'n and get to know >one another. > > > >>AMEN......o ya......based on past experiences....ive sid it before, and >>ill >>say it again.....GANGSTERS AND GLOWSTICKS DONT MESH WELL....please feel >>free >>to correct me, but this is from what i had to see in massives and other >>parties...they come for the wrong purposes...all the shadyness blurs the >>whole purpose at these gatherings....thats my two cents. much >>respect...keep >>ur morals. peace >> >>-choco >> >> >>>From: "leslie ayres" >>>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>Subject: [sfraves] my take on the "gangster" thread >>>Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:26:48 -0700 >>> >>>in my years in the scene, i've attended a lot of massives, and a few >>>smaller >>>parties, where there were people who fit the "gangster" mold. >>> >>>and these are different kinds of people. >>> >>>some are actually gang members who come to the event with their homies to >>>hang together and keep themselves separate. maybe they care about the >>>music, >>>but it doesn't show. no dancing, no watching the dj. these people make me >>>sad, because if you are going to stick with your own, you have no chance >>>for >>>real growth -- and the gang mentality is completely based on "us" vs. >>>"them" >>>-- that mentality is a trap, and while apparently some argue that it's >>>good >>>for survival in harsh environments, i don't agree. >>> >>>i do know people who grew up in real gangs. east l.a. gangs. tough gangs >>>where many of their friends are no longer alive due to gang warfare >>>caused >>>by territorialism, drug use, and a loss of regard for any human who is >>>considered their "enemy." >>> >>>gangs that develop as a means for survival are a trap. because survival >>>isn't growth or development. it's the lowest common level of existence, >>>and >>>should never be confused with really living. it's like an animal in a >>>cage, >>>snarling at anyone who comes close to the cage, even if they're offering >>>a >>>way out of the cage. >>> >>>and this kind of gang develops a comfort level with crimes against other >>>human beings that is horrifying. i once tried to stop what was about to >>>become a violent incident with two opposing groups who'd come to a >>>peaceful >>>event at a maritime party, hoping to explain that their behavior was out >>>of >>>place in a party based on support and community and acceptance. they >>>didn't >>>like me, and clearly weren't used to having someone question them, but >>>they >>>did stop. or at least took it elsewhere. >>> >>>then there are the "gangsta-style" kids. the ones who dress alike, trying >>>to >>>look tough. this is about posing. it's about walking a certain way, >>>moving >>>your hands a certain way, wearing your bandana or your pants a certain >>>way. >>>it's about trying to belong by virtue of modifying your personal choices >>>to >>>fit the group standard. >>> >>>these kids come to parties, and stand together, looking cool. they dance >>>together, looking cool. they talk together, often about the other people >>>and >>>things they see. they're posing, which is natural as adolescents try on >>>different ways of being to see what works for them. >>> >>>in a way, they're the same as the packs of candy ravers, also all dressed >>>alike from the same stores, wearing the same plastic jewelry, the same >>>stickers on their face, the same hair styles... it's a different style >>>but >>>the same pack mentality, and the same kind of "trying on a way of being" >>>-- >>>it's part of growing up for many people. >>> >>>the problem here is that self-expression and individuality is repressed >>>in >>>either of these scenarios -- because the peer pressure is to fit in, do >>>whatever the "cool thing" is perceived as. even if it's not you, and not >>>what you want to be doing. >>> >>>so yes, i agree that it's hard to get to know a gangster... but that's >>>because the 'gangster' and even the 'gangsta-wannabe' has set up a way of >>>being and behavior that excludes other people. the opportunity that is >>>there at a rave is only there when that person is willing to separate >>>themselves from the protection of their familiar group, and venture out >>>as >>>an individual, having individual interactions with other individuals. >>> >>>my experience has shown me that the ones who look the toughest are often >>>the >>>softest, sweetest, most vulnerable ones. it's why i happen to love tough >>>gangster guys, because i know that that shell is usually (no, not always, >>>but usually) a protection for a gentle and loving human being (at least >>>when >>>he's not keeping up an image with his homies). >>> >>>you can never judge a book by its cover, but as humans, we need to be >>>responsible for the fact that the "cover" we project is our own >>>responsibility. and to really become who we each can be, as individuals >>>who >>>can make a positive difference in the world, we need to be realistic >>>about >>>walking away from social structures that really just cage us in. >>> >>>hope that made sense. >>> >>>leslie >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >This reminds me of "REMEMBER THE TITANS" w/Denzel Washington. Those >>>white >>> >kids really hated the black ones....until they got to know them >>>although >>>in >>> >the streets it's hard to get to know a gangster. But at a rave there >>>is >>> >atleast an opportunity. >>> > >>> >J- >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >>.choco. >>dj_choco@hotmail.com >>"reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to >>make >>your own reality." -words by choco >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67937-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 07:38:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11561 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 07:38:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11551 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 07:38:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.203.69.252] From: "- shannon -" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 00:37:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 07:37:36.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[32027A10:01C1045C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Anything going on for the 4th??? Hey hey whats up? Does anyone know of any parties going on tomorrow night for the 4th??? I have not heard about anything close! If you have heard anything let me know. thanks :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67938-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 08:22:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24336 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 08:22:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24326 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 08:22:42 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.203.69.252] From: "- shannon -" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 01:22:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 08:22:10.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C166E40:01C10462] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] sure sure....and nico is doing a whole lot to help the scene by being an ass and cusing people out. And you are right i haven't seen all that because ignore it and move on with my life. Everyone here is just looking for some one to blame the "scene" for going down hill on. A scape goat if you will. Well maybe it is just as much of the people that attend parties fault as it is all the promoters. >From: "Malia Kokame" >To: "- shannon -" >Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] >Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:08:28 -0700 > >you obviously havent seen the endless drama and lies COTS has filled our >scene with in the past. > >Nico only speaks a harsh truth. > >[malia] > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "- shannon -" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:02 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > > Who the heck went and made you the list king? Shut the hell up and stop > > causeing useless drama!! > > > > >From: "n i c o" > > >To: "COTS" , > > >Subject: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:04:16 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give >your > > > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make >any > > > > compensation? > > > > > >Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as > > >Chris > > >or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > > > > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote >a > > > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing >you > > >ever > > > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... > > > > > >You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far >up > > >your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > > > > > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at >least > > >say > > > > something positive every once in a while).... > > > > > >Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought >about > > >getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > > > > > >n i c o > > > > > >p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67939-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 09:01:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31563 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 09:01:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31543 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 09:01:18 -0000 Message-ID: <004601c10468$6e07cf40$5a1c510c@reggie> From: "Malia Kokame" To: "- shannon -" , "SF Raves" References: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:05:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] so what good are you doing throwing out personal emails. i sent this to you in private to spare the endless drama but you as much as you shout against it you obviously like thats going on. its called freedom of speech sweetie and you are not the mother of the group. So id suggest you keep you ill educated words to yourself and spare US the drama. private emails are made for one reason and one reason only. To be private. Learn it, use it! [malia] P.N.A. ::Pro Nico Agenda:: ----- Original Message ----- From: "- shannon -" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > sure sure....and nico is doing a whole lot to help the scene by being an ass > and cusing people out. And you are right i haven't seen all that because > ignore it and move on with my life. Everyone here is just looking for some > one to blame the "scene" for going down hill on. A scape goat if you will. > Well maybe it is just as much of the people that attend parties fault as it > is all the promoters. > > >From: "Malia Kokame" > >To: "- shannon -" > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > >Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:08:28 -0700 > > > >you obviously havent seen the endless drama and lies COTS has filled our > >scene with in the past. > > > >Nico only speaks a harsh truth. > > > >[malia] > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "- shannon -" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:02 PM > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > > > > > > Who the heck went and made you the list king? Shut the hell up and stop > > > causeing useless drama!! > > > > > > >From: "n i c o" > > > >To: "COTS" , > > > >Subject: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:04:16 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give > >your > > > > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make > >any > > > > > compensation? > > > > > > > >Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as > > > >Chris > > > >or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > > > > > > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote > >a > > > > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing > >you > > > >ever > > > > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... > > > > > > > >You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far > >up > > > >your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > > > > > > > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at > >least > > > >say > > > > > something positive every once in a while).... > > > > > > > >Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought > >about > > > >getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > > > > > > > >n i c o > > > > > > > >p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67940-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 09:15:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34261 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 09:15:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34250 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 09:15:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.203.69.252] From: "- shannon -" To: m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 02:15:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 09:15:05.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0826C10:01C10469] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] ok, you are right, i am sorry about that, i made a mistake. But if this were true then why did you just send me an email through the list? To teach me a leason lol?? And also if you believe this then you should be yelling at nico as well for not making those comments to issac in private email as well. Settle down everyone geez. >From: "Malia Kokame" >To: "- shannon -" , "SF Raves" > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] >Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:05:09 -0700 > >so what good are you doing throwing out personal emails. i sent this to >you >in private to spare the endless drama but you as much as you shout against >it you obviously like thats going on. > >its called freedom of speech sweetie and you are not the mother of the >group. So id suggest you keep you ill educated words to yourself and spare >US the drama. > >private emails are made for one reason and one reason only. To be private. >Learn it, use it! > >[malia] > >P.N.A. >::Pro Nico Agenda:: > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "- shannon -" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 1:22 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > > sure sure....and nico is doing a whole lot to help the scene by being an >ass > > and cusing people out. And you are right i haven't seen all that because > > ignore it and move on with my life. Everyone here is just looking for >some > > one to blame the "scene" for going down hill on. A scape goat if you >will. > > Well maybe it is just as much of the people that attend parties fault as >it > > is all the promoters. > > > > >From: "Malia Kokame" > > >To: "- shannon -" > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell >out] > > >Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:08:28 -0700 > > > > > >you obviously havent seen the endless drama and lies COTS has filled >our > > >scene with in the past. > > > > > >Nico only speaks a harsh truth. > > > > > >[malia] > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "- shannon -" > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:02 PM > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell >out] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who the heck went and made you the list king? Shut the hell up and >stop > > > > causeing useless drama!! > > > > > > > > >From: "n i c o" > > > > >To: "COTS" , > > > > >Subject: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell >out] > > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:04:16 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you >give > > >your > > > > > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you >make > > >any > > > > > > compensation? > > > > > > > > > >Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense >as > > > > >Chris > > > > >or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > > > > > > > > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped >promote > > >a > > > > > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only >thing > > >you > > > > >ever > > > > > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... > > > > > > > > > >You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so >far > > >up > > > > >your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > > > > > > > > > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at > > >least > > > > >say > > > > > > something positive every once in a while).... > > > > > > > > > >Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought > > >about > > > > >getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > > > > > > > > > >n i c o > > > > > > > > > >p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67941-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 09:38:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39408 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 09:38:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39389 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 09:38:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704093814.68755.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: elias smith To: The Raves of our Lives In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] --- - shannon - wrote: > > Who the heck went and made you the list king? Shut > the hell up and stop > causeing useless drama!! > I feel it burnin!!! Hot damn! Hot diggety damn! This here stuff be like momma's own home cookin! Real tasty like. This here be them that there SFR a smokin' good time! Way back them there in the South, fellers know a good time! Know whut I mean? On one end, we got oursilves here the SF tikno masta. CJ, the folks call him in this here town. He's a good fella. The kind ya bring home to momma. On them there next end, we got oursilves this here COTS feller. Don't reckon the feller myself, but I don't like the likes o him, pa. Then there be one more end, with this here Nico feller, keeping this here stuff real like. Know whut I mean? Then we got this here one more folk.. Shannon I reckon her name is, needin to regulate. When she best just keep herself real quiet like. We don't want them rakoons to hear us. Shhhh... Keep real quiet like. Hot damn! Hot diggety DAMN! This be them that there SFR! I feel it burnin!! > >From: "n i c o" > >To: "COTS" , > > >Subject: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area > 51 will sell out] > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:04:16 -0700 > > > > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin > for FREE? Do you give your > > > recordings away for free? when you distribute > your wax, do you make any > > > compensation? > > > >Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the > talent/class/sense as > >Chris > >or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > > > when's the last time you contributed to the > scene...helped promote a > > > friends party, helped out financially, what? > about the only thing you > >ever > > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to > do something... > > > >You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've > got your head so far up > >your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road > when you drive. > > > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something > positive (or at least > >say > > > something positive every once in a while).... > > > >Chris was making positive contribution long before > you ever thought about > >getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > > > >n i c o > > > >p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : > ) : ) > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67942-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 11:01:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80477 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 11:01:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80467 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 11:01:21 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <008701c10478$743fa800$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "sfraves" , , "DJ D LIST" Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 03:59:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01C1043D.C6359100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MTV....sigh.... ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C1043D.C6359100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2nite i was flippin around and i turned on mtv just out of habit... and i usually cant watch it very long just bcuz of how ridiculous it = is... but 2nite i felt like stickin with it for awhile.. it wasnt until 2nite that i realized just how disgusting it is... the horrible musik videos arent all of it... the blatent advertising every 2 seconds.. u can see how all the corporations abuse the shit out of that tv = station... it is the MOST fake channel on TV, which is full of dumb channels... ne way my challenge to all of u=20 is to carefully watch mtv for just one hour... watch everything.. the commercials.. the videos.. the "news".. everything... and u will c wut im talkin about... why should u do this??? bcuz this is one of the things our generation needs to put a stop 2 or=20 we will b a world full of mindless morons... even more so than we are now... ;) L8 ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C1043D.C6359100-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-67943-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 15:21:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44143 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 15:21:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43991 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 15:21:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: craig newman cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Breaking into cars at Parties This is an extremely good point. When I went to parties every weekend, I would literally take EVERYTHING out of ANY value except for a handful of mixed tapes I would choose from to listen to. It's not that I don't trust RAVERS themselves, but the people in the shady ass neighborhoods where parties are thrown. 200 CD's? My brother used to carry his little binder thingy with every single CD he owned with him everywhere (his held about the same amount, a little less than 200) and is NOT a raver and had his car broken into and all his CD's gone. THey left his pimpin' stereo though. :) Bootleg Sublime is gone. :( It SUCKS to get shit stolen, so I pretty much leave anything of value in my HOUSE locked up, or if I absolutely must bring something with me in my car that needs to be left there, I lock it up in my TRUNK. Please guys, this includes what you bring in your BACKPACKS as well. Don't bring that $200 digital camera if you're not willing to spend the entire night guarding it with your life. I have heard so many complaints about stolen backpacks that "I just put down for just aminute to go to the bathroom, came back and it was GONE!!!" Don't ever leave your backpacks unattended unless you WANT to ditch it. XO and be safe on this 4th! lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, craig newman wrote: > First off, I am not the one. . .that is pretty SHADDY. > Second, I can't understand why people leave all that stuff in there cars. I > know times are tough and our lives our busy, but think a head. Why keep a > whole book of cd's? I bring my cds in my house every night, and change them > with new ones if I want, but I never have more than 5 in my car at time. > Just use your heads people, I have a 4 year old honda civic, with quit a > few improvements to it, which you would think would be a target, but if > there is nothing in it, crooks wont hit it. I have parked in the shaddiest > run down parts of Sf, Oakland, and La, for parties and nothing ever happens? > Mabey I use my head, I suggest the rest of the list startes doing the same! > Happee_1 > > > >From: "D.J. Shaman" > >Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org > >To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] Re: F8: Re: To the person who broke into my car at > >imagine... > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:33:43 -0700 > > > >Right on, man. Way to be +. > >When I wrote that yesterday I did not even fathom the kind of response > >I would receive. Thank you all for your support. This just reminded > >me again why I'm in this whole rave community thing. So many people > >have emailed me sharing sympathy, similar stories, and offering me > >new CD's. > >To the person who asked where I got my window replaced, it was this > >hole in the wall glass place in Windsor (15 min. north of Santa Rosa) > > > >I guess at least a couple of people seemed kind of miffed that I > >posted this to the lists, because it might be accusing someone on > >the lists of commiting the crime. I'm sorry you guys have to be so > >negative about that. I was not accusing anyone, and I KNOW that the > >person who did it is most likely not on the list, but even if there's > >a 1/1million chance, why not? Or why not just write my letter and > >hope that it gets passed along to the person who did it? > >Or why not just write it to show that you can be positive in times > >of dispair? > >I don't have any comprehensive insurance, so everything's out of > >pocket. I'm fine with that though. I have a CD burner at work, and > >DSL, so all it'll take now is time, which I am currently trying to > >convince myself doesn't exist. So it all works out great. > > > >I'm having too good of a week for all this shit to let me down. > > > >Baked, Not Fried, > >Shaman > >At Tuesday, 3 July 2001, you wrote: > > > > >Shaman you are impressive. > > > > > >Perhaps the jerk that broke into your car isn't reading this one. > >. but the > > >jerk that broke into mine might be. Like Shaman I lost my book > >of CD's but > > >the thief wasn't as kind to leave my weed behind, roughly a half > >ounce. He > > >also made off with my clothes, my toothbrush and toiletries, my > >flashlights > > >and lanterns, a very special bong handcrafted by yours truly. Plus > >my two > > >pillows, one of which was handcrafted by my great grandmother, and > >something > > >I've cared for my entire life. There was other random things such as > > >batteries, candles, and a CD player, ouch. Most of the things that you > > >stole were replaceable with money but you stole some things that > >can NEVER > > >be replaced. I hope that you sleep very well on my pillow, in my > >clothes, > > >while you listen to my music on my CD player and smoke all my weed > >out of my > > >bong. It's a shame that you felt the need to steal all of this > >from me just > > >to get some weed. Had you asked me I would have happily smoked > >your ass > > >stupid all night and might have even invited you into my tent to > >sleep on > > >the extra bag I had. Instead you took all my stuff and left. I > >don't know > > >if you kept everything, I imagine that most of it was discarded > >as it didn't > > >suit your taste, or fit you, I cringe to think my pillow was among > >these > > >items. I hope that you can sleep well and that your conscious doesn't > >eat > > >at your soul while you ponder the sadness of your life. Again I > >want to > > >illustrate how unnecessary it was to do it when I imagine all you > >wanted was > > >a bowl. Which would have been GIVEN to you happily. How sad. > >One more > > >thing... I remember who you were, and recall your face clearly. > >I wouldn't > > >attend too many parties in the future for fear of running into me. > >. after > > >all a good thief never show's his face in public. > > > > > >Enjoy my stuff. > > > > > >-clumsy > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "D.J. Shaman" > > >To: ; > > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:48 PM > > >Subject: F8: To the person who broke into my car at imagine... > > > > > >> Ok lists, like the topic says, this is to the person who broke my > > >> car window and took my CD's at imagine. > > >> > > >> I'm really sorry that you had to go and break my window to get into > > >> my car. I would have gladly opened the door for you had you taken > > >> the time to come find me. I do appreciate trying to help me flyer > > >> by scattering half of them all over the street, but the point is > > >> to get them into the hands of ravers, not on the bottom of wheels. > > >> I really hope that you enjoy the 200+ Compact Disks that I have > > >> collected over the past 2 years. I have gotten much satisfaction > > >> listening to them, and maybe my music will change your life so you > > >> don't have to go around breaking car windows and stealing CD's > >anymore. > > >> I recommend listening to the Deepsky Live CD, the Hybrid bootlegs, > > >> PVD's 33 RPM, and the Live Radiohead Bootlegs. Please check out > > >> my demo CD in there too, it's a silver CDR labled "shaman sleep dep" > > >> Tell me if you like it. > > >> > > >> Thank you very much for leaving my jar of marijuana, I don't know > > >> how I could have coped with the cold ride home (not having a back > > >> window) without it. > > >> Can I ask what you were looking for in the glove box? It was open > > >> when I found it, but nothing was gone. Maybe if you tell me what > > >> you were looking for, something might be arranged? > > >> The window was only $75 to fix, and if you'd ever like to take me > > >> out to dinner or something to make up for that it would be appreciated. > > > > >> . > > >> > > >> I hope you have a nice day. > > >> Baked, Not Fried, > > >> Shaman > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --- > > >> If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > > >majordomo@squinky.org > > >> with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > >> > > >--- > > >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. > >org > > >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67944-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 15:27:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62387 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 15:27:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62374 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 15:27:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: "lyds@home.com" cc: sarah qadri , svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3B427132.28796051@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: My final observation on the weekend, Imagine vs. Warped Tour Yeah I noticed that there were pretty "slack" security at this place - they didn't make me move my bra! Yayyy... Anyway, I think that because they actually had an alcohol liscense this is why there was the allowance of a beer garden, and the fact that you couldn't take the alcohol outof the beer garden basically eliminates the necessity of a "alcohol management." I used to work @ Shoreline last summer as Alcohol Management (which sucked) and with events which would be more likely attended by youth (like BFD), we would have beer gardens, because the management of the 21+ wristbands couldn't be supervised easily enough. But we never really went into the crowd on the green, I was actually told not to. I agree w/ Lydia that it's probably because concerts are more known for softcore things such as drinking or smoking pot, and security is more hardcore at raves because the tendency to overdose is a much higher liklihood based on the hard drugs used at raves. Concerts are more socially acceptable to the public, and therefore probably with law enforcement (though you could tell a couple of those cops were annoyed to be there hehe). I actually noticed at Warped Tour alot LESS pot smoking than your average concert, but then again I wasn't really looking. The puffs of smoke came up most significantly during Kool Keith and 311's "WHo's got the Herb" IMHO. Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, lyds@home.com wrote: > Yeah really, you beat me to it. The difference with raves is that usually the > drug use is pretty blatant. A pacifier might as well have a sign that says, > "Hello I'm on Ecstasy" and I really don't see a conscious effort from the > majority of party kids to conceal their drug use either. Maybe at Imagine it > was different, but I've also heard overwhelming stories of police presence so > maybe some people changed their minds about rolling. > > And the cops are more worried about raves because there are harder drugs being > used more often. Other music events I have gone to have had people on drugs > and all sorts of fucked up, but the majority of the time they are just drunk or > high which is a bit different and more acceptable then being on E or Acid or > whatever... It bothers me when people try and downplay the drug use so much > or compare it to concerts, because the concerts are much more soft. > > Peace, > Lydia > > And wow was it hot today! > > > > sarah qadri wrote: > > > smoking pot. drinking. selling pipes...sounds like pretty much every outdoor > > event you go to > > > > sarah > > >From: "John B." > > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: [sfraves] SRR: My final observation on the weekend, Imagine vs. > > >Warped Tour > > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > >I had meant to mention this back when we were all talking about the Warped > > >Tour, but it slipped my mind. Apollo's thread about the large number of > > >pigs > > >harassing the atendees at Imagine reminded me that I wanted to point out > > >the > > >difference and the hipocracy. > > > > > >I saw FAR more OPEN drug use at the Warped Tour saturday afternoon than I > > >did > > >at Imagine friday night. Seems as you could hardly get away from the stage > > >areas without spotting or smelling a circle of peeps passing around a pipe > > >or > > >joint. In fact, there were tents there SELLING pipes and rolling papers! > > >Oh, > > >and the alcohol being served.... oh wait... the beer industry donates > > >millions > > >to the GOP, therefore alcohol's not *really* a drug... mkay. > > > > > >Imagine? Yeah, some people were rolling, but most were discrete and > > >non-obvious about it. Certianly it was nowhere NEAR the Epuddle-fest that > > >Popsikle or Tranceformers were. > > > > > >And yet, the security presence at warped? No roaming, armed rent-a-thugs > > >at > > >warped. The security presence at warped was at the gate (unarmed), at the > > >entrance to the beer gardens (unarmed), and at the stages behind the > > >barricades > > >(also unarmed). The only ARMED security I saw all day were two SFPD that > > >seemed to be just roaming back and forth between the beer gardens. > > > > > >Security at Imagine... Well, yes, in retrospect, it was WAY excessive. I > > >guess I just got so used to the 1015/Maratime thugs that anything less > > >invasive > > >seems light. > > > > > >At warped, a quick patdown on the way in, and you hardly saw another thug > > >all > > >day. Imagine... patdown... not overly invasive like 1015 tho... but metal > > >detectors??? At a partie??? If anything, Warped would have been the place > > >for > > >metal detectors (tho they would be STILL be excessive paranoia there), as > > >the > > >punk rock crowd tends to be rathar more violent (tho not usually malacious) > > >than any partie crowd *I*'ve seen. And ARMED pigs, patrolling a partie... > > >WTF!!! > > > > > >If anyone has EVER ancountered a crowd of ravers so prone to violence that > > >metal detectors and armen rent-a-thugs would have been justified, I'd sure > > >be > > >curious to hear about it. > > > > > > > > >peace > > >john > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67945-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 15:31:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65203 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 15:31:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65192 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 15:31:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:31:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: erin cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010704033825.9209.qmail@web3901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re:drama Yeah, it's someone on SFR who has one of those "nanny" filters. I wish they would take their sorry asses off the list since just about EVERYTHING gets bounced back. If you ever have any doubts, a message that has been bounced by SFRaves (either by ME or the ezmlm) will come back from a hyperreal.org address. This came from Scanmail@enm.com or something like that. This reminds me, someone was going to help me find the culprit.. and I totally forgot. I've tried a few times myself and so has Brian without any luck. ANyone want to take a crack at finding this person so we can take them off? Or.. Does anyone want to tell me that it's THEM so I can discuss this further with them to find an alternative way to receive the list? Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, erin wrote: > okay when i sent a post earlier, i got this reply sent > back to me, but yet it showed up on the next > digest...i was just wondering if one of the admins on > this list could explain!Trend SMEX Content Filter has > detected sensitive content. > > Place = sfraves@hyperreal.org; ; > Sender = erin > Subject = [sfraves] drama.... > Delivery Time = July 03, 2001 (Tuesday) 17:36:40 > Policy = Sexual Discrimination > Action on this mail = Quarantine message > > Warning message from administrator: > Sender, Content filter has detected Sexual > Discrimination remarks in > your > e-mail. Your Mail message was not delivered to the > recipient > > i laughed so hard about the "sexual discrimination" > thing...erin > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67946-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 17:21:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5519 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 17:21:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5509 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 17:21:20 -0000 From: "COTS" To: "n i c o" Cc: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:20:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <005501c10446$c8086620$0301510c@sjsu.edu> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 17:20:50.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABBC6B30:01C104AD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] i wish i had your talent Nico....your a rock star! hey Nico, how come you only talk shit to me on this list, but when we see each other at Solid Grooves or anywhere else you act like were old amigos? did you forget to take your pills today? it's ok...... -----Original Message----- From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:04 PM To: COTS; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give your > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make any > compensation? Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as Chris or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you ever > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far up your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least say > something positive every once in a while).... Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought about getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. n i c o p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67947-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 17:25:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8830 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 17:25:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8820 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 17:25:20 -0000 From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:28:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C10474.1D4D30C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ticket Giveaways to Serenity! ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C10474.1D4D30C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We started off with information about winning free tickets to Metropolis and this week we'll be giving away two free tickets to S E R E N I T Y. 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Visit the Contest area of http://www.technorepublic.net for more information. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C10474.1D4D30C0-- From sfraves-return-67948-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 17:29:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11812 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 17:29:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11802 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 17:29:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.199] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:28:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 17:28:44.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[C68C0410:01C104AE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Paging Leslie Ayres Can you get back to me as quickly as possible. Thanks! Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67949-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 17:46:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24438 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 17:46:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24425 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 17:46:41 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:55:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track Everyone name your favorite track, mine would have to be "EveryBody" and "Mad World"...Hope to hear yours Magick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67950-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 18:10:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32989 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 18:10:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32977 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 18:10:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704181039.67748.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: laith@jps.net, sf raves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track I have a few... Rock 2 da Rhythm and Let there be light are my two favorites for today. jamie --- Magick wrote: > Everyone name your favorite track, mine would have > to be "EveryBody" and > "Mad World"...Hope to hear yours > > Magick > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67951-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 18:18:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38432 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 18:18:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38422 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 18:18:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.102.153] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: laith@jps.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 11:17:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 18:17:57.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6B0C980:01C104B5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track mine would be....."the bells" (white label)...and that old sundance track..."the living dream".....and an old time favorite in nrg "beat dis" by od404 -choco >From: "Magick" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track >Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:55:20 -0700 > >Everyone name your favorite track, mine would have to be "EveryBody" and >"Mad World"...Hope to hear yours > >Magick > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67952-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 18:24:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41994 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 18:24:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41984 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 18:24:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [32.102.91.48] From: "Deeze williams" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 11:23:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 18:23:53.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AD78C30:01C104B6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Eclipse commercial Trax ID hey what is the name of that song in the Eclipse commerical... Something about start the comotion. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67953-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 18:27:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44455 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 18:27:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44445 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 18:27:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704182713.63196.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:27:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "michael, the red stickman" To: laith@jps.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track Mine would be Hall and Oates' "One on One". I want to play that game tonight, Michael o)-< --- Magick wrote: > Everyone name your favorite track, mine would have > to be "EveryBody" and > "Mad World"...Hope to hear yours > > Magick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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[ALL 21+ & Blingin' DIVA's get FREE Admission B4 10pm with this e-mail] VIP 21+ FUBAR Hosted By The luscious ladies of Feel Good :)~~ Info: 650-568-1338 Buzz-Line: 650-569-3300 www.globalparty.com A Feel Good Entertainment Event Keep it Real Good With Feel Good --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67955-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 18:48:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56279 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 18:48:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56250 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 18:48:51 -0000 Message-ID: <004901c104ba$8010d720$731d510c@reggie> From: "[ma-Li*-a]" To: "COTS" Cc: References: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:52:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] hrm last time i recall Issac you were older then a 5 year old. Im suprised you havent added a "yer mom!" in there somewhere. *throws in a match* FLAME ON! ----- Original Message ----- From: "COTS" To: "n i c o" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > i wish i had your talent Nico....your a rock star! hey Nico, how come you > only talk shit to me on this list, but when we see each other at Solid > Grooves or anywhere else you act like were old amigos? > > did you forget to take your pills today? it's ok...... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:04 PM > To: COTS; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give your > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make any > > compensation? > > Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as Chris > or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you ever > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... > > You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far up > your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least say > > something positive every once in a while).... > > Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought about > getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > > n i c o > > p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67956-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 19:03:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63540 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 19:03:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63530 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 19:03:40 -0000 From: "COTS" To: "[ma-Li*-a]" Cc: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:02:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <004901c104ba$8010d720$731d510c@reggie> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 19:03:03.0393 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3830510:01C104BB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] hrm....last time i recall you and nico just turned 5 years old, and from the looks of your emails i think you guys might be about 6...or is it 7? grow up! good luck! -----Original Message----- From: [ma-Li*-a] [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:53 AM To: COTS Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] hrm last time i recall Issac you were older then a 5 year old. Im suprised you havent added a "yer mom!" in there somewhere. *throws in a match* FLAME ON! ----- Original Message ----- From: "COTS" To: "n i c o" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > i wish i had your talent Nico....your a rock star! hey Nico, how come you > only talk shit to me on this list, but when we see each other at Solid > Grooves or anywhere else you act like were old amigos? > > did you forget to take your pills today? it's ok...... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:04 PM > To: COTS; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give your > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make any > > compensation? > > Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as Chris > or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you ever > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... > > You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far up > your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least say > > something positive every once in a while).... > > Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought about > getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > > n i c o > > p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67957-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 19:09:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67953 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 19:09:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67943 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 19:09:24 -0000 Message-ID: <008c01c104bd$62c39740$731d510c@reggie> From: "[ma-Li*-a]" To: "COTS" Cc: "SF Raves" References: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:13:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] Since Issac likes to go live with all this junk im going to say one maybe 2 more things then ill leave him alone. Issac if you REALLY dont care about us or whats being said then for the love of gawd STOP POSTING. and my last quote of the day. I used to be a big fan of COTS dont get me wrong. But when you spend what 2 days 3 nights at frog town eating muffins and George Clinton doesnt show up. Kinda loose faith in people. so deal. *Puts it in a coffin* its dead! 12:11 July 4th 2001 [malia] ----- Original Message ----- From: "COTS" To: "[ma-Li*-a]" ; "N I C O" Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > malia and nico, grow up! sfr is for rave related issues....not player > hating....when are you kids going to get real hobbies....? > > i > > -----Original Message----- > From: [ma-Li*-a] [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:53 AM > To: COTS > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell > out] > > > hrm last time i recall Issac you were older then a 5 year old. Im suprised > you havent added a "yer mom!" in there somewhere. > > *throws in a match* FLAME ON! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "COTS" > To: "n i c o" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:20 AM > Subject: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > i wish i had your talent Nico....your a rock star! hey Nico, how come you > > only talk shit to me on this list, but when we see each other at Solid > > Grooves or anywhere else you act like were old amigos? > > > > did you forget to take your pills today? it's ok...... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:04 PM > > To: COTS; sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give your > > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make any > > > compensation? > > > > Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as > Chris > > or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a > > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you > ever > > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... > > > > You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far up > > your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > > > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least > say > > > something positive every once in a while).... > > > > Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought about > > getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > > > > n i c o > > > > p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67958-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 19:21:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74901 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 19:21:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74883 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 19:21:52 -0000 From: "COTS" To: "[ma-Li*-a]" Cc: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:21:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <008c01c104bd$62c39740$731d510c@reggie> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 19:21:15.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E5128F0:01C104BE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] no malia, you dont get it....does leslie need to help you....your right, stop posting.....STOP POSTING TO THIS LIST about bullshit you no nothing about.....you live and die by your own rules....now take it private if you really mean it..... or do you have a hate campaign in progress... grow up :) -----Original Message----- From: [ma-Li*-a] [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:13 PM To: COTS Cc: SF Raves Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] Since Issac likes to go live with all this junk im going to say one maybe 2 more things then ill leave him alone. Issac if you REALLY dont care about us or whats being said then for the love of gawd STOP POSTING. and my last quote of the day. I used to be a big fan of COTS dont get me wrong. But when you spend what 2 days 3 nights at frog town eating muffins and George Clinton doesnt show up. Kinda loose faith in people. so deal. *Puts it in a coffin* its dead! 12:11 July 4th 2001 [malia] ----- Original Message ----- From: "COTS" To: "[ma-Li*-a]" ; "N I C O" Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > malia and nico, grow up! sfr is for rave related issues....not player > hating....when are you kids going to get real hobbies....? > > i > > -----Original Message----- > From: [ma-Li*-a] [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:53 AM > To: COTS > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell > out] > > > hrm last time i recall Issac you were older then a 5 year old. Im suprised > you havent added a "yer mom!" in there somewhere. > > *throws in a match* FLAME ON! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "COTS" > To: "n i c o" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:20 AM > Subject: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > i wish i had your talent Nico....your a rock star! hey Nico, how come you > > only talk shit to me on this list, but when we see each other at Solid > > Grooves or anywhere else you act like were old amigos? > > > > did you forget to take your pills today? it's ok...... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:04 PM > > To: COTS; sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give your > > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make any > > > compensation? > > > > Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as > Chris > > or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a > > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you > ever > > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... > > > > You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far up > > your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > > > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least > say > > > something positive every once in a while).... > > > > Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought about > > getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > > > > n i c o > > > > p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67959-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 19:23:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77208 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 19:23:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77198 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 19:23:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704192327.87211.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: COTS , n i c o Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] --- COTS wrote: > i wish i had your talent Nico....your a rock star! > hey Nico, how come you > only talk shit to me on this list, but when we see > each other at Solid > Grooves or anywhere else you act like were old > amigos? > > did you forget to take your pills today? it's > ok...... Whats up with all this prescription drug shit?? cj ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67960-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 19:27:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79597 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 19:27:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79587 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 19:27:49 -0000 Message-ID: <00e401c104bf$f112f2a0$731d510c@reggie> From: "[ma-Li*-a]" To: "COTS" Cc: "SF Raves" References: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:31:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] i put it to rest LET IT DIE IN PEACE! Im not going to be rude so ill leave the "shut-ups" "shut the H*ll ups" and "shut the F*ck ups" to "PLAYERS" like you Issac. ive moved on just wondering when you will. OK Peace out [kandysugarava] ----- Original Message ----- From: "COTS" To: "[ma-Li*-a]" Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > great you care about people.....i dont care that you care....i care about > you shutting up....thats it. i dont act like i'm above anybody, but i have > worked my ass off for area 51 and then some....yes, the party you and nico > are coming to, i work for, and i dont think chris jackson has any room to > down area 51 just cause he's a jadded raver....chill out and keep to your > own and leave me alone and i'll gladly leave you alone....i'm not trying to > impress you, i'm trying to impress upon the idea that you need to shut up! > > i > > -----Original Message----- > From: [ma-Li*-a] [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:20 PM > To: COTS > Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > if you really dont care then stop acting like you do and if your so "above" > everyone else then why are you even bothering answering to a couple of > "loosers" like nico and i? Oh one more then your not impressing me with > your maturity lvl with all you childish come backs about age. See i on the > other hand really dont care what ppl like you have to say about me so your > just wasting your time. > > so maybe you should grow up and get busy. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "COTS" > To: "[ma-Li*-a]" > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > cool then shut your mouths and dont come to our parties....cause we dont > > want you there.....lets make a deal....we'll stay out of your lives and > > vocabulary and you stay away from us and our parties and we should all be > > able to live peacefully....i dont care what you and nico and whoever think > > about me and our parties....i just dont, and you guys consistantly talk > > trash and i'm tired of it and i'm not going to be nice about it > > anymore....if your big man has something to say, say it to my face in > person > > and stop player hating on this list. grow up! plain and > > simple.....sheez....isnt there an asr party to work on, something more > > productive then exchanging emails with someone you dont like.....get > > real....i mean busy....on something other than posting emails about me.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [ma-Li*-a] [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:45 AM > > To: COTS > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > > its pretty obvious to catch on all the "oops we got busted again" schemes > > and the "you will be rembursed" bs that went on and on and on. Not to > > mention that crazy little outdoor thing you tried to throw after the > > friendship festival where the cops were involved and ppl hiding in bushes > > for an x period of time. NOT to mention the friendship festival in all. > No > > show headliners.. > > > > the fact is that Nico and I used to like COTS a lot for various reasons > and > > yes we did help out because we like to support what we thought was good. > > but when you guys started running that huge line of "bad luck" the > > appologies started to get old and stale. to sum of all up you started to > > look really sketchy. > > > > to me a COTS party nowdays are either going to end in a "no show mega > > headliner" or a "our permits got pulled lastminute". > > > > We used to love COTS parties. We looked forward to the next one. Can't > > tell you what a dissappointment things became when everyone tried to rush > to > > be the next "vlad" (cos i cant say the FG word right). > > > > anyway, im not going to appologize for nicos running mouth. > > > > [malia] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "COTS" > > To: "Malia Kokame" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:01 AM > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > > > save it....you and nico dont even know me and cots and everytime you and > > > your man spout out i welcome you to discuss your concerns either in > person > > > or via phone and you always chicken out (i mean you guys used to help > out > > > with COTS, Harmony,etc)....lies about what? or mistakes? as if sfraves > is > > > the apporpriate place to discuss this....give me a break, all your doing > > is > > > name smearing and frankly you guys dont have facts of anything i have > done > > > personally....all you have are assumptions....and you continue to slang > my > > > name cause your a bunch of bored idiots who have nothing better to do > then > > > critisize me in public....grow up, get a life, theres more to life then > > this > > > scene, these people, & COTS....if you dont like us then quit talking > about > > > us...sheez.... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Malia Kokame [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 2:05 AM > > > To: - shannon -; SF Raves > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > > > > > so what good are you doing throwing out personal emails. i sent this to > > you > > > in private to spare the endless drama but you as much as you shout > against > > > it you obviously like thats going on. > > > > > > its called freedom of speech sweetie and you are not the mother of the > > > group. So id suggest you keep you ill educated words to yourself and > > spare > > > US the drama. > > > > > > private emails are made for one reason and one reason only. To be > > private. > > > Learn it, use it! > > > > > > [malia] > > > > > > P.N.A. > > > ::Pro Nico Agenda:: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "- shannon -" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 1:22 AM > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure sure....and nico is doing a whole lot to help the scene by being > an > > > ass > > > > and cusing people out. And you are right i haven't seen all that > because > > > > ignore it and move on with my life. Everyone here is just looking for > > some > > > > one to blame the "scene" for going down hill on. A scape goat if you > > will. > > > > Well maybe it is just as much of the people that attend parties fault > as > > > it > > > > is all the promoters. > > > > > > > > >From: "Malia Kokame" > > > > >To: "- shannon -" > > > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell > > out] > > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:08:28 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >you obviously havent seen the endless drama and lies COTS has filled > > our > > > > >scene with in the past. > > > > > > > > > >Nico only speaks a harsh truth. > > > > > > > > > >[malia] > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "- shannon -" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:02 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell > > out] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who the heck went and made you the list king? Shut the hell up and > > > stop > > > > > > causeing useless drama!! > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "n i c o" > > > > > > >To: "COTS" , > > > > > > >Subject: [sfraves] COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell > > out] > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:04:16 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you > > > give > > > > >your > > > > > > > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you > > > make > > > > >any > > > > > > > > compensation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the > talent/class/sense > > > as > > > > > > >Chris > > > > > > >or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped > > > promote > > > > >a > > > > > > > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only > > thing > > > > >you > > > > > > >ever > > > > > > > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do > something... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so > > far > > > > >up > > > > > > >your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or > at > > > > >least > > > > > > >say > > > > > > > > something positive every once in a while).... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever > thought > > > > >about > > > > > > >getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >n i c o > > > > > > > > > > > > > >p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67961-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 19:38:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84868 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 19:38:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84858 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 19:38:38 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 12:38:29 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: COTS , "[ma-Li*-a]" CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010704193830.RANJ11846.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] flame war comments hmmmm.... isaac, i would never takes sides on things i don't have all the information about -- let's call that lesson one. there are always many sides to a story. lesson two, some of you in this conversation are guilty of posting private notes to the public list. that's wrong and you know it. it's never an accident, because we know you had to type in the address. shame on you. and lesson three, sometimes it is heartbreaking to see people you care about slinging shit at each other. especially when you have always seen them as people who were above shit-slinging, when you thought that they'd matured beyond that. sigh. maybe it's just a passing thing. i certainly hope so. and lesson four (this is a repeat of a chapter some may have missed) is that profanity and name-calling and personal insults never never never work in your favor -- it's an approach that will always 100 percent of the time without fail reflect on the sender, not the person the tirade is aimed at. whatever the real message is that the sender is trying to communicate is completely destroyed by sinking to that level. ironic, isn't it? love, leslie ---------- >From: "COTS" >To: "[ma-Li*-a]" >Cc: >Subject: RE: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] >Date: Wed, Jul 4, 2001, 12:21 PM > > no malia, you dont get it....does leslie need to help you....your right, >stop posting.....STOP POSTING TO THIS LIST about bullshit you no nothing >about.....you live and die by your own rules....now take it private if you >really mean it..... > > or do you have a hate campaign in progress... > >grow up :) > >-----Original Message----- >From: [ma-Li*-a] [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:13 PM >To: COTS >Cc: SF Raves >Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell >out] > > >Since Issac likes to go live with all this junk im going to say one maybe 2 >more things then ill leave him alone. > >Issac if you REALLY dont care about us or whats being said then for the love >of gawd STOP POSTING. > >and my last quote of the day. I used to be a big fan of COTS dont get me >wrong. But when you spend what 2 days 3 nights at frog town eating muffins >and George Clinton doesnt show up. Kinda loose faith in people. so deal. > >*Puts it in a coffin* its dead! 12:11 July 4th 2001 > >[malia] > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "COTS" >To: "[ma-Li*-a]" ; "N I C O" > >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:54 AM >Subject: RE: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > >> malia and nico, grow up! sfr is for rave related issues....not player >> hating....when are you kids going to get real hobbies....? >> >> i >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [ma-Li*-a] [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:53 AM >> To: COTS >> Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell >> out] >> >> >> hrm last time i recall Issac you were older then a 5 year old. Im >suprised >> you havent added a "yer mom!" in there somewhere. >> >> *throws in a match* FLAME ON! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "COTS" >> To: "n i c o" >> Cc: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:20 AM >> Subject: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] >> >> >> > i wish i had your talent Nico....your a rock star! hey Nico, how come >you >> > only talk shit to me on this list, but when we see each other at Solid >> > Grooves or anywhere else you act like were old amigos? >> > >> > did you forget to take your pills today? it's ok...... >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:04 PM >> > To: COTS; sfraves@hyperreal.org >> > Subject: COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] >> > >> > >> > >> > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give >your >> > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make >any >> > > compensation? >> > >> > Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as >> Chris >> > or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. >> > >> > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a >> > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you >> ever >> > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... >> > >> > You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far up >> > your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. >> > >> > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least >> say >> > > something positive every once in a while).... >> > >> > Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought >about >> > getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. >> > >> > n i c o >> > >> > p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67962-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 19:40:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86999 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 19:40:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86986 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 19:40:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 12:42:19 -0600 From: TheNetworkGirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <002d01c104b9$0e9214c0$6401a8c0@esl.snfc21.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9YFZg4NhaOH3RTxc7dKajw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Groove on Cinemax --Boundary_(ID_9YFZg4NhaOH3RTxc7dKajw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT It was kinda crazy sittin at home watching "Groove" on Cinemax last night. It was really odd seeing it on T.V, kinda like watching a documentary of places I have been. It made me think to much, I had this whole Flashback evening, thinking back, way back to the day--where it all started for me--FUCK that is a long time ago, 89'. It kinda made me bummed, I miss those adventurous night I certainly have lost my GROOVE. I have been playing the "responsibity" game -- the whole work world bit. I went from crazy nights of dancing and friends in S.F when I was in Highschool then I went to L.A and danced some more, the Lion's Den, Insomnia etc. Now back in the S.F area I have some how lost the GROOVE. Ugh, Pre-mid life crisis-- All I want to do is DANCE. You think Groove will be like the "Breakfast Club" for the millennium, depicting how all the social types can come together?-- Man, I loved the "Breakfast Club" when I was growing up. Happy 4th! TheNetworkGirl http://www.thenetworkgirl.com "Artist Welcome" --Boundary_(ID_9YFZg4NhaOH3RTxc7dKajw)-- From sfraves-return-67963-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 19:46:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90183 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 19:46:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90164 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 19:46:34 -0000 Message-ID: <005001c104c3$74638ea0$1704510c@sjsu.edu> From: "n i c o" To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:56:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Public Apology to Isaac and SFR (was: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out]) > hrm....last time i recall you and nico just turned 5 years old, and from > the looks of your emails i think you guys might be about 6...or is it 7? > grow up! I regret sending out that e-mail because the last thing I wanted to do was make it seem like I was a vindictive and pot-stirring "player hater". But there are a couple of things that need to be said which weren't in my original post. I got frustrated and sent it out when I vented. But here's the real: Chris Jackson has been a DJ for a long time and has produced some really amazing sounds with next to no local support. He's done what people only hope they can someday do and has turned his passion into a way of life. I don't think it's fair for you to criticize him for being belligerent and sarcastic, even scathing, because it's not your place. Greg and him have seen this scene transform from what it was into what it is and each have in their own ways shaped it and adapted to its current form. You and I only came into this thing within the last 5 years and we've got next to nothing to stand on if we're going to publicly lambast one of these two men. The rave scene, what it once was and what it is, is a very special thing to us both. Because it's so close to our hearts, it is something that has an immediate draw on our emotions. When we respectively see something damage our epic like view of this journey that each one of us on this list have decided to travel, we tend to let our hearts overcome our good sense and mind. That is what has occurred between you and I. I loved your parties. So you threw a few boo boo's and I opened my big mouth about it. We let each other continue to disrespect one another in a very childish fashion, although I admit I willingly instigated the majority of the ... incidents I guess. I should have had the goddamn sense and class to help you in any way that I could, be it support or just a kind word. Instead I took the opposite route because I'm a young, unthinking male with the opinion that anything that assaults my near religious fanaticism of our music and our way is deserving of the worst I can put my mind to. Retrospect is 20/20. I apologize once again to you and the people who have had to endure our arguments. I still do think though that CJ and Greg Sandler out of your league. It's not just a matter of knowing your place, but more of a reverence for those that have come before you. I'm not sure how much you know about techno but Resource is where it is for a reason. And Harmony is Harmony. love (even for COTS *wink wink*) and especially techno, k thnx la~ n i c o p.s. I don't go to Solid anymore. : / No car. BOOOOO!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67964-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 19:49:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92106 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 19:49:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92096 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 19:49:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 12:50:34 -0600 From: TheNetworkGirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <000601c104ba$354f4460$6401a8c0@esl.snfc21.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] I got Sensored? Hey there, I never noticed that this list had a sensor, I used the F word in emphasizing a thought and I got Quarantined. Wow. T.N.G ----- Original Message ----- From: "System Attendant" To: "'TheNetworkGirl'" Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action taken. > Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content. > > Place = sfraves@hyperreal.org; ; > Sender = TheNetworkGirl > Subject = [sfraves] Groove on Cinemax > Delivery Time = July 04, 2001 (Wednesday) 12:40:50 > Policy = Inappropriate Language > Action on this mail = Quarantine message > > Warning message from administrator: > Sender, Content filter has detected the use of Inappropriate Language in > your e-mail. Your Mail message was not delivered to the recipient! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67965-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 19:49:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93871 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 19:49:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93861 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 19:49:53 -0000 Message-ID: <005c01c104c3$eb18f620$1704510c@sjsu.edu> From: "n i c o" To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:00:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > i wish i had your talent Nico....your a rock star! hey Nico, how come you > only talk shit to me on this list, but when we see each other at Solid > Grooves or anywhere else you act like were old amigos? Hehehe, was more of a reflex. I said "Hey what's up Isaac" but I would hardly consider that as riding your jock. : ) > > did you forget to take your pills today? it's ok...... Yeah, but they're for my inflated ego and rock star attitude. Trying to get that sheeet under control, yah know? : ) love and techno, k thnx n i c o --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67966-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 20:03:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99911 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 20:03:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99892 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 20:03:34 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: <122.1328f34.2874d075@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:03:01 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_122.1328f34.2874d075_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Tonight @ the LimeLight 18+ 7pm - 2 am --part1_122.1328f34.2874d075_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Held Every Wednesday at the LimeLight Night Club doors 7pm - 2am JULY 4 .// KICKOFF > Main Room: Trance / Techno ddr (Live PA) London, UK (C.O.S.H.H. / Hazchem / Stay Up Forever / DAMN Management)One of the original London Acid Techno producer's DDR has been active on the circuit since 1990 when he was running the Full-On sound system, later joining forces with the Bedlam to throw free parties / festivals all over Europe. 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FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: House / Trance / Breaks DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: House / Tech House / Club Favorites DEMILO SF (Release / Remedy / Eclipse) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) LimeLight Night Club 228 Castro st. (down town) Mountain View doors open @ 7pm - 2 am 18+ w/id Club Limelight Club Limelight Club Limelight 3 rooms of pump sounds fattest lazer shows intense visuals info: 1-800-561-1800 Web: BRAINCHILD ENTERTAINMENT www.brainchildentertainment.com directions: Club Limelight www.clublimelight.com --part1_122.1328f34.2874d075_boundary-- From sfraves-return-67967-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 20:30:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7826 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 20:30:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7809 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 20:30:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.176.140.39] From: "trance fiend" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:29:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 20:29:39.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C779B60:01C104C8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] anything going on tonight? still trying to decide whether or not to get into anything tonight after the fireworks in the city....is there anything going on anywhere?....even a small intimate gathering at a ug party might be nice =).....depends on what the rest of my crowd will wanna get into thanks!! little matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67968-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 20:40:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11764 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 20:40:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11745 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 20:40:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704204012.28147.qmail@web14505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: SILVIU To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: DEFCON9 roll call DEF CON NINE (http://defcon.org/) July 13th - 15th, 2001 Las Vegas, Nevada USA H4x0r y0r m4m4 1) S1LVIU __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67969-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 20:48:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15894 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 20:48:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15883 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 20:48:48 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.174] From: "innocentchild" To: , References: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:47:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 20:48:20.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8A16960:01C104CA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track Mad World *ONLY* if it's done by Tears For Fears and not that fucking rip off that I heard at Skills Party in the Park. I think flames shot out my eyes in hopes that they would incinerate that track and that cybertrance savior of plur who was playing it. Whoever did that cover has got this warbling vocal track on it and ::shudder:: bad memories. Sorry about the anger here, but that track really pissed me off. Why must the cybertrance dig through the 80's bins for the next hit?? How many OMD remakes will we have to endure?? I love OMD, but not when it's turned into foo foo... =( ryan fav track right now: Electronaughts - Bumper (love that industrial wherehouse sound when it breaks) another one that has a great video too is - Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood (frontman for Blur lends his vocals) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magick" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track > Everyone name your favorite track, mine would have to be "EveryBody" and > "Mad World"...Hope to hear yours > > Magick > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67970-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 21:02:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19758 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 21:02:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19743 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 21:02:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.214.121.105] From: "Solmatic Records" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 14:01:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 21:01:49.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AC30280:01C104CC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New Joey Mazzola Mix Tape / Cd Hit me up this weekend for a copy of my new mix. Ill be all over this weekend. Starting with Recycle on friday located at 550 barneveld. Saturday you can catch me at Serenity located at the Concourse in Sf. Also on Saturday Ill be at Invasion with all the Break Beat Junkies. Where ever you go have a nice 4th of July weekend ! Take care- Joey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67971-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 21:59:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36181 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 21:59:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36171 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 21:59:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010704215947.9031.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: EvilEyE To: laith@jps.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track i would have to say nightfly by blank and jones, and dark blue by cabala... P~L~U~R -EvilEyE- --- Magick wrote: > Everyone name your favorite track, mine would have > to be "EveryBody" and > "Mad World"...Hope to hear yours > > Magick > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67972-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 22:08:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40186 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 22:08:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40176 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 22:08:13 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:19:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010704215947.9031.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track Right now, as I'm doing the BBQ thingy for our little house party, we are all groovin' to an excellent mix by Michael Manahan (Seattle WA) called "Tribal Kicks." Have a fun 4th!!! Much love, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67973-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 22:13:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43987 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 22:13:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43973 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 22:13:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:13:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: "[ma-Li*-a]" cc: COTS , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <004901c104ba$8010d720$731d510c@reggie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] Come on people. SFRaves is not a place for flaming, take this private... Nothing productive is coming out of this except for name-calling and bickering. I honestly thought you guys knew better. Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, [ma-Li*-a] wrote: > hrm last time i recall Issac you were older then a 5 year old. Im suprised > you havent added a "yer mom!" in there somewhere. > > *throws in a match* FLAME ON! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "COTS" > To: "n i c o" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:20 AM > Subject: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > i wish i had your talent Nico....your a rock star! hey Nico, how come you > > only talk shit to me on this list, but when we see each other at Solid > > Grooves or anywhere else you act like were old amigos? > > > > did you forget to take your pills today? it's ok...... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:04 PM > > To: COTS; sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > > > > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give your > > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make any > > > compensation? > > > > Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as > Chris > > or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > > > > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a > > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you > ever > > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... > > > > You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far up > > your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > > > > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least > say > > > something positive every once in a while).... > > > > Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought about > > getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > > > > n i c o > > > > p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67974-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 22:14:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46366 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 22:14:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46348 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 22:14:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:14:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: leslie ayres cc: COTS , "[ma-Li*-a]" , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010704193830.RANJ11846.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] flame war comments I shouldn't have even posted on this topic, Leslie did a much better, and thorough patient job as always:) Thanks Leslie! Love, Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, leslie ayres wrote: > hmmmm.... isaac, i would never takes sides on things i don't have all the > information about -- let's call that lesson one. there are always many sides > to a story. > > lesson two, some of you in this conversation are guilty of posting private > notes to the public list. that's wrong and you know it. it's never an > accident, because we know you had to type in the address. shame on you. > > and lesson three, sometimes it is heartbreaking to see people you care about > slinging shit at each other. especially when you have always seen them as > people who were above shit-slinging, when you thought that they'd matured > beyond that. > > sigh. > > maybe it's just a passing thing. i certainly hope so. > > and lesson four (this is a repeat of a chapter some may have missed) is that > profanity and name-calling and personal insults never never never work in > your favor -- it's an approach that will always 100 percent of the time > without fail reflect on the sender, not the person the tirade is aimed at. > whatever the real message is that the sender is trying to communicate is > completely destroyed by sinking to that level. > > ironic, isn't it? > > love, > leslie > > > > ---------- > >From: "COTS" > >To: "[ma-Li*-a]" > >Cc: > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > >Date: Wed, Jul 4, 2001, 12:21 PM > > > > > no malia, you dont get it....does leslie need to help you....your right, > >stop posting.....STOP POSTING TO THIS LIST about bullshit you no nothing > >about.....you live and die by your own rules....now take it private if you > >really mean it..... > > > > or do you have a hate campaign in progress... > > > >grow up :) > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [ma-Li*-a] [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] > >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:13 PM > >To: COTS > >Cc: SF Raves > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell > >out] > > > > > >Since Issac likes to go live with all this junk im going to say one maybe 2 > >more things then ill leave him alone. > > > >Issac if you REALLY dont care about us or whats being said then for the love > >of gawd STOP POSTING. > > > >and my last quote of the day. I used to be a big fan of COTS dont get me > >wrong. But when you spend what 2 days 3 nights at frog town eating muffins > >and George Clinton doesnt show up. Kinda loose faith in people. so deal. > > > >*Puts it in a coffin* its dead! 12:11 July 4th 2001 > > > >[malia] > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "COTS" > >To: "[ma-Li*-a]" ; "N I C O" > > > >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:54 AM > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > > > > > >> malia and nico, grow up! sfr is for rave related issues....not player > >> hating....when are you kids going to get real hobbies....? > >> > >> i > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [ma-Li*-a] [mailto:m0nalisa.overdrive@worldnet.att.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:53 AM > >> To: COTS > >> Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell > >> out] > >> > >> > >> hrm last time i recall Issac you were older then a 5 year old. Im > >suprised > >> you havent added a "yer mom!" in there somewhere. > >> > >> *throws in a match* FLAME ON! > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "COTS" > >> To: "n i c o" > >> Cc: > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:20 AM > >> Subject: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > >> > >> > >> > i wish i had your talent Nico....your a rock star! hey Nico, how come > >you > >> > only talk shit to me on this list, but when we see each other at Solid > >> > Grooves or anywhere else you act like were old amigos? > >> > > >> > did you forget to take your pills today? it's ok...... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:04 PM > >> > To: COTS; sfraves@hyperreal.org > >> > Subject: COTS are sellouts [was Re: Area 51 will sell out] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > so lets see....chris, does this mean you spin for FREE? Do you give > >your > >> > > recordings away for free? when you distribute your wax, do you make > >any > >> > > compensation? > >> > > >> > Oh shut the fuck up, Isaac. If you had half the talent/class/sense as > >> Chris > >> > or Greg you'd keep your teeth together. > >> > > >> > > when's the last time you contributed to the scene...helped promote a > >> > > friends party, helped out financially, what? about the only thing you > >> ever > >> > > do is talk shit about everybody who's trying to do something... > >> > > >> > You'd be surprised how much he does. But you've got your head so far up > >> > your own ass I'm surprised you can see the road when you drive. > >> > > >> > > why don't you be "resourceful" and do something positive (or at least > >> say > >> > > something positive every once in a while).... > >> > > >> > Chris was making positive contribution long before you ever thought > >about > >> > getting your greedy hands into the rave scene. > >> > > >> > n i c o > >> > > >> > p.s. Area 51's going to be fun. Can't wait. : ) : ) : ) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67975-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 22:18:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48538 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 22:18:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48525 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 22:18:26 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: , References: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:28:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 22:17:58.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E0F7810:01C104D7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track Well, i can't make up my mind... but here are some ideas... HHC 1) "Check This Out" - Cloudskipper & Sketchy, Tronic's Remix 2) "Taken the Groove" - Breeze and DNA 3) "Can't Stop" - Brisk Hard House 1) "So happy together" - Don't know who does it 2) "Rags to Riches" - Poogie Bear NRG 1) Almost anything by "Stimulant Dj's" - gotta love Brisk and Ham 2) "Go with the flow" - Fallout Boy - Fear and Loathing remix ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magick" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: [sfraves] Ravers!!! Name Your Track > Everyone name your favorite track, mine would have to be "EveryBody" and > "Mad World"...Hope to hear yours > > Magick > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67976-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 22:45:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58031 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 22:45:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58013 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 22:45:35 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: julie ranoa To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: HuLaGirLJuLiE@hawaiicity.com X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.206.193] Message-Id: <20010704224349.4DFE5274E@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Santa Cruz anyone?? who's heading down there tonight? =) email me back.... =) happy 4th of July! have fun and be safe! aloha and plur>>>>>>>>>Hula girl ** JUlie ** _____________________________________________________________ Get your FREE 20mb Hawaii website, Free Hawaii email address, Hawaii weather & news, free contest, discount Hawaiian Jewelry, gifts, car rentals, hotels and airline tickets...http://www.hawaiicity.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67977-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 23:07:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67842 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 23:07:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67832 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 23:07:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.133.53.238] From: "DJ D" To: djd-announce@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 16:06:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 23:06:42.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCFE6AE0:01C104DD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [BSP] INVASION ~ALL AGES~ ~5AM~ July 7th - Bay Area >Come join ravepic.com (who brought you Superstars) and Liquid Mercury's >merging celebration : > >INVASION! >July 7th, Bay Area, CA >ALL AGES >NEW VENUE GOES TIL 5AM (Fully Permitted) > >The skies will be filled with DJ's landing from all over the world with >your local favorites mounting the resistance bringing you the top house, >breaks and trance the world has to offer. > >Your Invaders for the night include: > >Thee-0 (till dawn, bio hazards - LA) >Spyhunter (subvision, liquidmercury - Hawaii) - http://www.djspyhunter.com >Koris (subvision, liquidmercury - Switzerland) - http://www.djkoris.com >Malicious Mike (xquizit records – Tampa Florida) >D.J.C (liquidmercury - Eugene, Oregon) >Makka (liquidmercury – San Diego). > >Also starring local DJ's - > >DJ Liquid (Journees, Remix - San Francisco) >Joey Mazzola (AM Crew, Solmatic - San Francisco) >DJ D (DJ-D.com - Berkeley) >Madame Mercury (LiquidMercury, MadWax - San Francisco) >Reckless Ryan (Brianchild, 90.5 KSJS - San Jose) >Kid Carson (Wish, LiquidMercury - San Francisco) >Tecni (cRAVE, Static Cling - Santa Rosa) >Brian Deleon >Stranger >Clarify > >Presale $23 - Very Limited Capacity >Beginning at 10pm. - ALL AGES! > >Info Line: 408.255.5508 >More info @ > >www.ravepic.com >www.liquidmercury.com > >Are you ready? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67978-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 23:08:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70596 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 23:08:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70586 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 23:08:45 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:19:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Banker accused of hosting drug-fueled raves Associated Press July 03, 2001 07:32:00 SALT LAKE CITY - Each weekday morning, Dale Gibbons put on a dark suit, got into his white sport utility vehicle and drove from his million-dollar suburban home to his job as chief financial officer at Utah's oldest bank. But on Saturday nights, Gibbons donned leather pants, hopped into his silvery Jaguar and cruised downtown Salt Lake City's hottest dance clubs. When the bars shut down, he often invited the young crowd back to his house for all-night raves that investigators say were fueled by illegal drugs - Ecstasy, GHB and methamphetamine. Gibbons, 41, is charged with methamphetamine possession, child endangerment and dealing in material harmful to a minor. Last week he resigned from Zions Bancorp., founded in the 19th century by Mormon leader Brigham Young. "Here he was, living in this conservative neighborhood and working a conservative job at Utah's most conservative bank, and he was living this kind of life on the side," said sheriff's Sgt. Darren Carr. "It's hard to imagine." In stepping down from his bank job, Gibbons said in a statement: "I cannot effectively execute my obligations and duties to the company with criminal charges pending. As an innocent man, my focus must be on the court proceedings ahead." The balancing act came crashing down in late June when Gibbons, who is divorced, called 911 in a panic early one morning. A young woman who had been raped had tried to kill herself by overdosing on drugs, he said. Paramedics and police found Gibbons' 19-year-old girlfriend, whose friends worried about her increasingly erratic behavior, naked and unconscious in Gibbons' bed. His 15-year-old daughter - who neighbors say was often locked out of the house during the day - was found passed out in her pajamas. Both were rushed to the hospital for treatment of drug and alcohol overdoses. In a search after Gibbons' arrest, deputies found nearly a gram of methamphetamine in a nightstand in the master bedroom. "We are all stunned and saddened by these allegations," Zions chief executive Harris Simmons said in a statement shortly after Gibbons was suspended by the bank. "Mr. Gibbons has been a very responsible, talented and valued employee who has earned a great deal of respect in our industry, and whose behavior at work is inconsistent with these charges." The allegations were not entirely a shock for the residents of Wander Lane, the quiet, meandering street where Gibbons lived in the Salt Lake suburb of Holladay. "We knew what was going on," said neighbor Susan Bale. "I'm glad something finally happened. I just didn't want this neighborhood to be taken over by a drug house." Police first started watching Gibbons nearly a year ago after Bale and other neighbors complained about parties at the banker's house, which stands at the end of a long, gated driveway. Neighbors said the house is normally dead quiet during the week - so quiet that some believed no one lived there. Gibbons often spent evenings at trendy clubs, where he usually arrived with beautiful women on his arm. Then, sometime after the 2 a.m. closing time, cars would often come screeching down Wander Lane. Limos would pull up, and girls in leather or bikinis sometimes got out, neighbors said. Authorities said at least one of the parties was organized by a company that supplies DJs, dancers and fire breathers for private raves, a type of party police say is increasingly popular among well-off professionals ages 25 to 35. "It was well known that the people in attendance at these parties were heavily involved with ... 'Club Drugs,' " according to the arrest report. It added that drugs such as Ecstasy, GHB, cocaine and methamphetamine were used "heavily in plain view." An independent audit is under way to examine whether Gibbons' alleged activities might have affected the bank's books. "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67979-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 04 23:15:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74541 invoked by uid 1104); 4 Jul 2001 23:15:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74523 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 23:15:16 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.138e79d.2874fd7b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:15:07 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11e.138e79d.2874fd7b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Tonight @ the LimeLight 7pm - 2am --part1_11e.138e79d.2874fd7b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Held Every Wednesday at the LimeLight Night Club doors 7pm - 2am JULY 4 .// KICKOFF > Main Room: Trance / Techno ddr (Live PA) London, UK (C.O.S.H.H. / Hazchem / Stay Up Forever / DAMN Management)One of the original London Acid Techno producer's DDR has been active on the circuit since 1990 when he was running the Full-On sound system, later joining forces with the Bedlam to throw free parties / festivals all over Europe. DDR's first vinyl release was on S.U.F. 02 and he has clocked up approx' 100 vinyl credits since on a variety of labels that include Stay Up Forever, Cluster, Choci's Chewn's. ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. ANDY TREX Germany (Noom / Tortured / Tripoli Trax) Born 10.12.68 in Stuttgart, Germany and has been DJing since 1985, Trex has played clubs all over Europe such as Lakota/ Bristol, Melk Weg / Amsterdam, Amnesia / Ibiza, Cave Club / Austria, Grodonia + Oxa, Mad, Biela Factory / Suisse, Nexus + Oz + Ohm + M1 / Stuttgart, Reaktor / Germany, Jailhouse / Germany. Just to name a few. FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: House / Trance / Breaks DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: House / Tech House / Club Favorites DEMILO SF (Release / Remedy / Eclipse) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) LimeLight Night Club 228 Castro st. (down town) Mountain View doors open @ 7pm - 2 am 18+ w/id Club Limelight Club Limelight Club Limelight 3 rooms of pump sounds fattest lazer shows intense visuals info: 1-800-561-1800 Web: BRAINCHILD ENTERTAINMENT www.brainchildentertainment.com directions: Club Limelight www.clublimelight.com --part1_11e.138e79d.2874fd7b_boundary-- From sfraves-return-67980-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 00:13:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89980 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 00:13:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89968 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 00:13:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 17:03:35 -0700 From: Morgan Foust To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: Morgan Foust Message-id: <004c01c104e5$ef718260$6501a8c0@insomnia> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? There's been a whole lot of traffic about Coolworld booking Eminem, Greg attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole lot of other negative things that go along with hiphop. What the heck is the problem with hiphop? Just because somebody dresses differently than you do and listens to a different type of music that you do, all of a sudden they're shady and threatening? Has it ever occurred to you that the majority of the people who listen to hiphop are no more interested in hurting you than you are in hurting them? When you look at a person at a party and go, 'What is that gangsta doing here?,' you're judging somebody based on their race and the clothes they wear. Nothing more. (And I imagine that if you saw a white guy dressed in 'gangsta' style clothes you wouldn't give them a second thought.' We have a word for this kind of thinking: racism. What really burns me is to see this kind of thinking on a mailing list for ravers. It's as if techno and hip-hop were diametric opposites. Come to Bassic Elements or go into the bassment at 1015 or listen to ANY good vocal jungle (DJ Hype & the Ragga Twins if you want a primer) and you'll find out exactly how closely related techno and hip-hop are. -- Morgan (Yes, I HAVE been lurking on this list for the last two years.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67981-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 01:02:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7705 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 01:02:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7691 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 01:02:34 -0000 From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Message-ID: <41.da8d6f2.287516a4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 21:02:28 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Anybody looking for a dope spot for fireworks? If your like me who don't want to deal with traffic, finding a place to park and the crowds in order to watch fireworks, there is an alternative. IM going to chill up on this big brown hill right next to the Castro. It stands out so you can't miss it. IM going to try to be there around 8-8:30. It's next to a museum. You turn left on 15th street as your heading toward Castro and drive right up to it. There is parking at the museum, and we should have no problem hanging there as long as we don't make too much noise, and I expect other people will be there as well. I've been up to this place lots of times and no one has ever hassled me for being there. There is no trespassing signs and is always open 24/7. If IM correct, it is a park owned by the Hormel family and is open for the public. If you go, walk up toward the hill and near the top there will be a big clearing. I will be wearing green shorts, a black baseball cap and camouflage design tongs. If you bring anything always use decreation and everything should be cool. This is a dope spot and you can see all of Downtown SF as well as Oakland and that part of the East Bay, so we should see a lot of fireworks. If your lost, call my cell (510) 551-4426 Where ever you go, have fun and be safe. Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67982-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 01:54:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25804 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 01:54:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25783 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 01:54:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705015357.44537.qmail@web13207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 18:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Team Tigger To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP - Plastic Fantastic Updates - This Friday! Friday, July 6th, 2001 Team Tigger Proudly Presents: ~Plastic Fantastic~ - Where it all begins. ===> New Info Line: 888-930-2632 Come join us, as we dance our way into the night, to not only celebrate a birthday, but to show everyone just how great our Bay Area scene is. The night promises not only great music, but more importantly a kick-ass vibe that just might make you remember why you started partying in the first place. Your journey through the night will be guided by the following: Aklaim – Special Double Set DJ Prophet DJ Shhhhh Valerie Sparks vs Indecent Techni Willow Tyme Nick Griffin DJC J-Marr Devin MykroKozm DJ Bad DJGirle Plus…more to be added. This promises to be a night of smiles, great surprises, and just an all around good time. Two rooms of fully permited bliss. Mind blowing decorations. Kick-ass talent all night long. Happiness all around. We will be celebrating Tigger’s birthday… so bring yourself, a friend, your best dancing shoes, and happiness to share with everyone else. All we ask is that you leave any shady behavior at home. We want this party to be a memory in not only our minds, but in the minds of everyone who attends. Prepare yourself…for the biggest, bounciest, trounciest party of the summer. Come one, come all…its time for a birthday party! Party Update Line: 510.212.3473 ~ 408.301.6859 ~ 707.323.1494 Fully Permited Bay Area Location Tickets - $14 at: Skills, Solid Grooves, F8 and Harmonics – There are very few tickets left, so get one now to insure your attendance. Party Starts at 7pm …there will be kick-ass talent, and special surprises all night long, so be sure to get there early Be sure to stick around for Aklaim’s special double set at the end of the party…he will be spinning some of the best NRG around, and then be spinning a special “birthday set” of Tigger’s all time favorite trance anthems. For all of you people who have been partying a while, even though a lot of old-school partykids say they hate trance, you know those “special” songs can bring back magical memories of days and parties gone by. So, be sure not to miss out. This is also the offical Serenity pre-party. Be sure not to miss out on the best party weekend of the summer…Plastic Fantastic and Serenity…bring your Serenity presale to Plastic Fantastic for cool free stuff. Call the Serenity info line for more info. 415.789.7344 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67983-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 02:09:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30666 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 02:09:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30656 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 02:09:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705020915.66502.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:09:15 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Teks To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SUNNYVALE RECORD SHOP - SOULSIETY RECORDS For those interested: Theres a new shop that opened in May and is still getting up and going in Sunnyvale. >From their flyer: ************************************** Soulsiety Records Techno, Triphop, drum & Bass, House, Hip Hop, Trance 5 listening stations, 3 equipped DJ studios for rent by the hour Specialinzing in non-commercial beats of all flavas electronica, hip hop, and down tempo special ordering available DJ equipment: turntables, mixers, headphones, needles, cartridges and more.. Soulsiety Records 970 W. El camino Real Sunnyvale, CA 408-245-1000 ****************************************** I'm not affiliated with the business, I ran into the store my accident checked it out and told the guy I would pass the word on. The DJ studio rooms are big and nicely equipped There selection is thin but growing...Check it out :-) Teks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67984-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 06:55:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18653 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 06:55:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18640 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 06:55:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.176.252.220] From: "P- Stash" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, SF-oasis@topica.com, jeremy@allposters.com, daniel@allposters.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 06:55:22 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 06:55:22.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[76233B30:01C1051F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Download My Mix! hello everyone, i recently recorded a mix in my bedroom and it came out pretty cool! a lot of groovy summertime type tracks, even if the mixing ain't the greatest. i broke up the mp3 into two parts, enjoy! http://djpistachio.tripod.com/audio/pistachio_part1.mp3 http://djpistachio.tripod.com/audio/pistachio_part2.mp3 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67985-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 10:25:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87529 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 10:25:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87519 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 10:25:12 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 03:25:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.34] Message-Id: <20010705102507.34786274E@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 4th of July So it was a Pretty Groovy Day!!! I mean, I watched the new cast of the Real world 10, cleaned, & house stuff! Then Nicola swings by & picks me up!! We headed over 2 G Funk Jeff's pad in San Ramon for a lil' BBQ get together dealie!!! It was Fun!!! Saw my Lil' Homie Dan & kicked it! That Kid had Groovy Energy & Dope Shoes! Steve was there lightin' firecrackers & stuff w/ me! Ofcourse kicked it w/ the Man, Jeff, & met his fam again!! Nic & I totally kick it Groovin' 2 the sounds of Trance & HAPPY Hardcore! I spun for a good hour or something!! Yay! Dope Dope Dope hanging out w/ Tammy after 4everdaze of not seein each other! Oh...what would a get together be w/o Lil' Bro Aaron in the house (or backyard rather)!! Love Ya U Lil' Strange Dude! So the 4th was not over yet! Nic & I hang out w/ Aryck & magno havin' cawfee & donuts!! It was sooo Dope hangin' w/ my Bro & magno! It was a ball of kinda hyper energy! I was kinda hyper & my NYC talk was like on me again & I found myself workin' on dance choreography moves in the parkin' lot...eeeeks! I kept goin' outside the lil' coffe shop 2 play w/ sparklers that I had! It was kinda funny though 'cause I ended up hangin' out the night B4 in San Ramon w/ most the same people & we came so close to a musically filled/ DANCE YOUR ASS OFF night, but didn't=( OH weeell!! But it was sick kickin' it yet once, twice again in the Burbs!!! Hmmmm, I should apply for citizenship there & build a mansion on a hill somewhere!! LoL Y'all hella Dope!!! Thanks 4 a Groovy time each time I go there!!! Someone tell Trev I want my lighter back NOW! =) == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67986-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 12:07:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8811 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 12:07:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8777 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 12:07:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705120712.45090.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: DEKA Reply-To: djdeka@selekta.com To: Sac Raves List , SF Raves , Shondell , Tytan Studios , Debra Dayan Aningalan , amy chambers , Charlie , Rick Fish , ivan jorrin , Fresno Raves List Cc: djdeka@selekta.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Selekta Update! July 5th - 2001 Happy Belated Independence Day from The Selekta Crew! Summer is here and we are very excited to bring you more great content from the far-reaching corners of the global electronic music scene including interviews with Deep Dish, Max Graham, Arne Schaffhausen and tons of other "Selekta Style" content. As always, we appreciate your support in our ventures and encourage you to give us feedback! Let us know if you like what we do! We are always trying to improve ourselves… Please let us know what you are feeling! Contact us at: http://selekta.com/contact ----------THE LATEST SELEKTA UPDATES-------------- Underfire Recordings Spotlight http://www.selekta.com/interviews/stakka.asp Check the record case of your favorite drum 'n' bass DJ and you're bound to find a sleeve from Underfire Recordings. No stranger to the scene, although increasingly popular as of late, the label is responsible for some of the most up front tunes in the drum 'n' bass arena to date. Bringing the Funk - Inside the minds of Deep Dish http://www.selekta.com/interviews/deepdish.asp Deep Dish engraves their sound in your head and you simply can't escape it. Sounding as wicked on your home stereo as it does in a club. After the release of Junk Science Shirazinia and Tayebi, were certified dance music superstars and in-demand re-mixers. Re-mixing tracks from the Rolling Stones, Michael Jackson, and Madonna (which snagged the group a Grammy nod for their re-mix of "Music") - Deep Dish is hardly a secret anymore. Starscape 2001 http://www.selekta.com/reviews/party/starscape01.asp Why is it that people are always expecting parties to create some vortex through which the outside world will be sucked, never to return? The minds of many ravers must be looped like a minimal techno beat, always expecting the world of parties, always leaving disappointed and grumbling. Lonnie Fisher recognizes this trend, and in a pre-Starscape newsletter he warned against people getting their hopes up. But Lonnie doesn't really have to worry, because when Ultraworld throws parties, the rest of the Universe does end. Photos By Sean Alderman Max Graham - The Newest Transport http://www.selekta.com/interviews/graham.asp Dave Ralph said it best, "Max Graham is the future." With his latest release bringing out the 4th installment of the Internationally recognized "Transport" series, perhaps the future is now. The Selekta's DJ Dionosys takes a moment to chat with Max about what he has going on. Are You Diggin' It? http://www.selekta.com/reviews/party/dig_it.asp Just a few weeks back, DC's premier house promoters, M3 (music makes magic), hosted yet another vibin' party at The Edge Night Club called "Can U Dig it!" The main attraction was Mark Farina who was on his official Mushroom Jazz 3 tour, and the theme…DIG DUG!!! Yeah, that's right! Dig Dug from way back in the Atari days! Arne Schaffhausen: Twice Removed from Reality http://www.selekta.com/interviews/arne.asp Arne Schaffhausen is half of the Spiriallianz duo from Hamburg Germany. In quite a stealth-like manner, they have been making waves around the globe with their heavy handed, one of a kind blend of psy-trance and bombastic German techno. Their unique style has landed their wax in the hands of quite a variety of DJs and has brought some new attention to the somewhat obscure SpiritZone Records. It has also landed them back in the studio work on some new tracks. What follows is a quick and dirty chat with Arne. Joining of the Forces http://www.selekta.com/reviews/party/odyssey.asp DC's Mega promoters, Ultraworld, and one of the country's most successful clubs, Buzz, join forces to present ODYSSEY. Held at the DC Amory, home of the largest East Coast parties, with Boy George, LTJ Bukem, QBurns and of course, Scott Henry to end the night off right! Joe Kopasek, takes us on a tour of the festival dedicated to the community and artists of DC and the music that inspires them, with amazing photographs by Sean Alderman. Rawkuts Records - Stateside Drum n Bass Territory http://www.selekta.com/articles/rawkuts.asp Rawkuts Records is the fusion of minds in NYC DnB and NYC Hip-Hop. Slightly ironic, how years earlier it was Hip-Hop that brought out the DnB minds in the UK. Now in NYC the world's largest Hip-Hop label, Rawkus Records, has played big brother to Rawkuts, recognizing the obvious struggle of American DnB producers and DJs had just to be taken seriously. No where else in the world will you find the raw talent, the history, or the recognition of one, to bring out the strength of the other. Proof positive that Stateside DnB is stetting the standards. ALSO -- Enter to win Pish Posh CD Contest Rawkuts Mixtape Contest Reflecting Eternally - Talib Kweli's Train of Thought http://www.selekta.com/interviews/kweli.asp Reflection Eternal - the name says it all. One of the premier lyricists in the whole rap game, Talib Kweli, along with one of the most up and coming producers, Hi-Tek bring some serious heat to the table. Who you ask? Get real kid - you ought to know. So seriously - quit bling blingin' long enough and bear witness to some real shit. Let Kweli tell you how it is. Okayplayer? David Duriez - THE ONE TO WATCH http://www.selekta.com/interviews/duriez.asp For those that don't know David's name yet, be prepared to learn. David is THE one to watch in deep house in the coming year. David has released over 40 records to date on labels like 20:20 Vision, Jinxx, Afterhours, Gourmet, and his own seminal Brique Rouge. Throughout the span of his producing career, he has been fortunate enough to work with the likes of Llorca, Jori Hollkenen, and Mazi to name but a few. The coming year sees very good things for David as well as his label Brique Rouge. Ever wondered what the Drum and Bass scene is like in Tokyo? Selekta's DJ Deka gives you the story from one of the world's largest and most mysterious cities. Stay tuned for his report. :DJ DEKA:TOKYO, JAPAN :Director of Internet Promotions: djdeka@selekta.com http://www.selekta.com -----------------Booking:info@Selekta.com------------- ________________________________________________________________ selekta.com ===== Turn your learn on! http://www.selekta.com DJ DEKA Director of Internet Promotions www.selekta.com DJDeka@selekta.com Booking: info@selekta.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67987-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 14:25:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84884 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 14:25:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84831 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 14:25:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:25:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: Morgan Foust cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <004c01c104e5$ef718260$6501a8c0@insomnia> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? Hi Morgan *delurk*! In my opinion there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with hip-hop. I have a problem however, with you addressing this issue as being a "racism" issue. People are complaining about a WHITE rapper showing up at Coolworld.... And as far as I know, the "hip hop" type "gangsta" people come in every color - black, white, asian, hispanic, somalian, nerd, dork, whatever. I strongly disagree that it's a racist issue, but I do agree that it would be considered PREJUDICE. Judging people based on their choices of living their life, not by their COLOR. If it was a racist problem, I think we'd be hearing more topics like "what's up with all the (insert race) showing up at parties all of a sudden?". And that's not the case. So what's the problem? I don't care myself but here's what I think it is(and I could be wrong, but it's worth a shot): Gangsta's intimidate ravers. I don't like the word "Gangsta" but for the loss of finding a better term (thug? I think that's assuming too much negative about hip-hoppers being theives)... It's true. Not all, but many bring attitude(confidence and a straight face most of the time) with them that ravers are not familiar with. Ravers are used to big hugs, welcoming smiles, 'tarded-out lovey-doveys, and I KNOW that all gangstas are not into that at all. So while they're not trying to come off as HARD, they don't share the same.. openness some ravers do. I knoooowww I'm gonna get criticized for this one, but please, keep an open ear here. I don't think that hip hop should be excluded from our scene at all - I am a true junglist and know how deeply rooted the ties between hip hop and jungle are, and appreciate it 100% to the fullest. I *adore* hip hop. I don't like Eminem, I think he's a horrible representation of the hip hop scene with the lyrics he chooses. I at first thought he was for *real* but I don't see how he can rap about taking his daughter down to the lake to bury his wife whom he killed. Would he do that in real life? If so, well I wouldn't want him within 100 feet of me. I'd rather have SOuls of Mischeif bust out or Black Eyed Peas hands down. Back to the original thing though.. So 1) Ravers are intimidated by Gangsters because of the cultural differences in how people present themselves, and also because they don't understand each other. There doesn't seem to be a real effort on either part to sort of.. Open the gates to know one another. But is that ever going to happen? Who knows. My # 2 is of course, the bad name the THUGS in the scene give gangstas. There *ARE* people out there who go to parties to steal shit, and ruin peoples' nights by stirring shit up. They CAN be gangstas, *AND* they CAN be shady ass ravers. They BOTH exist no matter what. But ravers, no, they don't want to believe it is someone in "their" culture who is doing it, so who to blame? The people who don't walk the raver walk, talk the raver talk.. AND THIS is where the prejudice comes in. It's "easy" to blame someone who doesn't look or act like they fit in. Many ravers automatically assume that it's the "gangsta's" that are doing all the thugging, because, yes, I have witnessed a gangsta thugging (and stabbing in the back a few years ago) and so have other people. But this assumption that all gangstas are alike is pure prejudice. And the sad thing is, I've seen ravers steal and gangsta's get blamed for it. It ends up getting straightened out in the end but that widens the gap even moreso. So that's why I think people have a problem with Coolworld booking Eminem. Me? I'm not going to be there - I haven't attended a Coolworld event since that kid got stabbed @ the NYE party a few years ago, and have no desire to go to big parties anymore - I hate huge crowds like that. But I go to jungle events and treat every person there the same - appearances are NOTHING. For those of you who are complaining about gangstas in the scene try going out of your way next time to befriend one, or ma ybe even just strike up a conversation in that fucking 2 hour line you will probably have to wait in. Realize we're all people, and we're all innocent until proven otherwise. I.E. most likely the person standing next to you is there for a good time, not to ruin your evening. One last thought: I was thinking about the reversal on this, and thought... If candy ravers hit up the next UG hip hop gig, or even the next huge commercial hip hop tour, do you think THEY would be accepted? heehee... Love, Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Morgan Foust wrote: > > There's been a whole lot of traffic about Coolworld booking Eminem, Greg > attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole lot > of other negative things that go along with hiphop. > What the heck is the problem with hiphop? Just because somebody dresses > differently than you do and listens to a different type of music that you > do, all of a sudden they're shady and threatening? Has it ever occurred to > you that the majority of the people who listen to hiphop are no more > interested in hurting you than you are in hurting them? When you look at a > person at a party and go, 'What is that gangsta doing here?,' you're judging > somebody based on their race and the clothes they wear. Nothing more. (And I > imagine that if you saw a white guy dressed in 'gangsta' style clothes you > wouldn't give them a second thought.' > We have a word for this kind of thinking: racism. > What really burns me is to see this kind of thinking on a mailing list > for ravers. It's as if techno and hip-hop were diametric opposites. Come to > Bassic Elements or go into the bassment at 1015 or listen to ANY good vocal > jungle (DJ Hype & the Ragga Twins if you want a primer) and you'll find out > exactly how closely related techno and hip-hop are. > > -- Morgan > (Yes, I HAVE been lurking on this list for the last two years.) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67988-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 14:46:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95578 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 14:46:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95547 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 14:46:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:33:48 -0400 From: MMI X-Sender: ogwapit@hslc.org (Unverified) To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, se-raves@ravedata.com, scr@socal-raves.org, txraves@onramp.net, draves@yahoogroups.com, dcraves@hyperreal.org, ne-raves@world.std.com Message-id: <3.0.32.20010705103345.007c06d0@hslc.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MMI Roster Roster UK Drum and Bass Ray Keith DJ SS SHY FX John B MC Skibadee DJ Kane L Double (Temporarily not available) Stateside DnB Capital J Starchild Lorne Vega Armen MC J-Messinian MC/DJ Mis-Ty MC Brace Trust Influx and Datum UK Garage/2-step Footloose (UK) Imri (US) Hip and RnB: You name it, we got it! Inquiries may also be made on the following artists: Kenny Ken and Nicky Blackmarket. Please visit www.substitution.net to see more in depth biographies of the substitution djs. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Upcoming Tours: ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ September 2001 Twisted Individual and MC MC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Dread Comes to Conquer October 2001 Ray Keith, Twisted Anger and MC Darrison ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Currently accepting bookings for DJ Lorne and MC Mis-ty for Spetember and October of 2001 (demos available upon request) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67989-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 14:48:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99821 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 14:48:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99810 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 14:48:08 -0000 Message-ID: <008d01c10560$f6236a80$391686d4@mikejones> From: "bndwdth19" To: "wichitaraves" , "Toronto Ravers" , "sf raves" , , "nychouse" , , "kc-raves" , , "DC Underground" , , Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:42:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] calling all techno heads: b n d w d t h 1 9 create uncompromising hard and funky techno the latest track titled "dirty defusion" is a pounding mass of dirty techno with a groovy looped bassline... check out this track at: www.mp3.com/bndwdth19 thanx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67990-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 15:39:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33785 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 15:39:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33771 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 15:39:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: SF Raves List , frequency-8 , djd-list , ravenproductions list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 33 By 120: Thank you from phatcow Okay so this comes a little bit late but better than never i supose, well after a lot of work and a lot of lost sleep, a few grey hairs and misc other things... i would like To thank all the dj's who spun, and who did not spin at 33 By 120. To thank all the folks that worked at this party. To thank everyone who promoted for this party. To thank the sound and lighting for this party. To thank all the attendees of this party. To thank everyone for being sober and having respect. To all the kind hearts that took part in this party and made it happen, i would like to give thanks to you because without your help none of what happened could have been possible. thank you to everyone for all your help and support. laterz kenneth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67991-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 16:03:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47616 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 16:03:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47598 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 16:03:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705160307.66058.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Lara , Morgan Foust Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? i think if some candykids showed up at an underground hip hop show in east los angeles, their parents (and the police) would be left searching for their candy beads in vain. --- Lara wrote: > Hi Morgan *delurk*! > In my opinion there is absolutely NOTHING wrong > with hip-hop. I > have a problem however, with you addressing this > issue as being a > "racism" issue. People are complaining about a WHITE > rapper showing up at > Coolworld.... And as far as I know, the "hip hop" > type "gangsta" people > come in every color - black, white, asian, hispanic, > somalian, nerd, dork, > whatever. I strongly disagree that it's a racist > issue, but I do agree > that it would be considered PREJUDICE. Judging > people based on their > choices of living their life, not by their COLOR. If > it was a racist > problem, I think we'd be > hearing more topics like "what's up with all the > (insert race) showing up > at parties all of a sudden?". And that's not the > case. So what's the > problem? I don't care myself but here's what I think > it is(and I could be > wrong, but it's worth a shot): > Gangsta's intimidate ravers. I don't like the word > "Gangsta" but > for the loss of finding a better term (thug? I think > that's assuming too > much negative about hip-hoppers being theives)... > It's true. Not all, but > many bring attitude(confidence and a straight face > most of the time) with > them that ravers are not familiar with. Ravers are > used to big hugs, > welcoming smiles, 'tarded-out lovey-doveys, and I > KNOW that all gangstas are not into that at all. So > while they're not > trying to come off as HARD, they don't share the > same.. openness some > ravers do. I knoooowww I'm gonna get criticized for > this one, but please, > keep an open ear here. I don't think that hip hop > should be excluded from > our scene at all - I am a true junglist and know how > deeply rooted the > ties between hip hop and jungle are, and appreciate > it 100% to the > fullest. I *adore* hip hop. I don't like Eminem, I > think he's a horrible > representation of the hip hop scene with the lyrics > he chooses. I at first > thought he was for *real* but I don't see how he can > rap about taking his > daughter down to the lake to bury his wife whom he > killed. Would he do > that in real life? If so, well I wouldn't want him > within 100 feet of > me. I'd rather have SOuls of Mischeif bust out or > Black > Eyed Peas hands down. > Back to the original thing though.. So 1) Ravers > are intimidated > by Gangsters because of the cultural differences in > how people present > themselves, and also because they don't understand > each other. There > doesn't seem to be a real effort on either part to > sort of.. Open the > gates to know one another. But is that ever going to > happen? Who knows. > My # 2 is of course, the bad name the THUGS in the > scene give > gangstas. There *ARE* people out there who go to > parties to steal shit, > and ruin peoples' nights by stirring shit up. They > CAN be gangstas, *AND* > they CAN be shady ass ravers. They BOTH exist no > matter what. But ravers, > no, they don't want to believe it is someone in > "their" culture who is > doing it, so who to blame? The people who don't walk > the raver walk, talk > the raver talk.. AND THIS is where the prejudice > comes in. It's > "easy" to blame someone who doesn't look or act like > they fit in. Many > ravers automatically assume that it's the > "gangsta's" that are doing all > the thugging, because, yes, I have witnessed a > gangsta thugging (and > stabbing > in the back a few years ago) and so have other > people. But this assumption > that all gangstas are alike is pure prejudice. And > the sad thing is, I've > seen ravers steal and gangsta's get blamed for it. > It ends up getting > straightened out in the end but that widens the gap > even moreso. > So that's why I think people have a problem with > Coolworld booking > Eminem. Me? I'm not going to be there - I haven't > attended a Coolworld > event since that kid got stabbed @ the NYE party a > few years ago, and have > no desire to go to big parties anymore - I hate huge > crowds like that. But > I go to jungle events and treat every person there > the same - appearances > are NOTHING. For those of you who are complaining > about gangstas in the > scene try going out of your way next time to > befriend one, or ma ybe even > just strike up a conversation in that fucking 2 hour > line you will > probably have to wait in. Realize we're all people, > and we're all innocent > until proven otherwise. I.E. most likely the person > standing next to you > is there for a good time, not to ruin your evening. > One last thought: I was thinking about the reversal > on this, and > thought... If candy ravers hit up the next UG hip > hop gig, or even the > next huge commercial hip hop tour, do you think THEY > would be accepted? > heehee... > Love, > Lara > > ---- > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become > one and yet remain > two." > -- Erich Fromm > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are > looking at the stars." > -- Oscar Wilde > > On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Morgan Foust wrote: > > > > > There's been a whole lot of traffic about > Coolworld booking Eminem, Greg > > attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, b-boys, > shady vibes, and a whole lot > > of other negative things that go along with > hiphop. > > What the heck is the problem with hiphop? Just > because somebody dresses > > differently than you do and listens to a different > type of music that you > > do, all of a sudden they're shady and threatening? > Has it ever occurred to > > you that the majority of the people who listen to > hiphop are no more > > interested in hurting you than you are in hurting > them? When you look at a > > person at a party and go, 'What is that gangsta > doing here?,' you're judging > > somebody based on their race and the clothes they > wear. Nothing more. (And I > > imagine that if you saw a white guy dressed in > 'gangsta' style clothes you > > wouldn't give them a second thought.' > > We have a word for this kind of thinking: > racism. > > What really burns me is to see this kind of > thinking on a mailing list > > for ravers. It's as if techno and hip-hop were > diametric opposites. Come to > > Bassic Elements or go into the bassment at 1015 or > listen to ANY good vocal > > jungle (DJ Hype & the Ragga Twins if you want a > primer) and you'll find out > > exactly how closely related techno and hip-hop > are. > > > > -- Morgan > > (Yes, I HAVE been lurking on this list for > the last two years.) > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67992-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 16:41:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72033 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 16:41:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72011 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 16:41:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.123.58.150] From: "... ! ..." To: laraz@hyperreal.org, insomnia@ix.netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:41:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 16:41:14.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E0A0F50:01C10571] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? I agree with Lara. Does anyone remember that freaky full moon party up in Marin last year? As I recall, Amber had to step in and regulate some kids who were fencing with beer bottles. I think Coolworld could replace Eminem with N'Sync in this show and have the same desired outcome. It's not as if they're having a hip-hop room or inviting anyone to come WITH Eminem. - Q >From: Lara >To: Morgan Foust >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:25:21 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Morgan *delurk*! > In my opinion there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with hip-hop. I >have a problem however, with you addressing this issue as being a >"racism" issue. People are complaining about a WHITE rapper showing up at >Coolworld.... And as far as I know, the "hip hop" type "gangsta" people >come in every color - black, white, asian, hispanic, somalian, nerd, dork, >whatever. I strongly disagree that it's a racist issue, but I do agree >that it would be considered PREJUDICE. Judging people based on their >choices of living their life, not by their COLOR. If it was a racist >problem, I think we'd be >hearing more topics like "what's up with all the (insert race) showing up >at parties all of a sudden?". And that's not the case. So what's the >problem? I don't care myself but here's what I think it is(and I could be >wrong, but it's worth a shot): > Gangsta's intimidate ravers. I don't like the word "Gangsta" but >for the loss of finding a better term (thug? I think that's assuming too >much negative about hip-hoppers being theives)... It's true. Not all, but >many bring attitude(confidence and a straight face most of the time) with >them that ravers are not familiar with. Ravers are used to big hugs, >welcoming smiles, 'tarded-out lovey-doveys, and I >KNOW that all gangstas are not into that at all. So while they're not >trying to come off as HARD, they don't share the same.. openness some >ravers do. I knoooowww I'm gonna get criticized for this one, but please, >keep an open ear here. I don't think that hip hop should be excluded from >our scene at all - I am a true junglist and know how deeply rooted the >ties between hip hop and jungle are, and appreciate it 100% to the >fullest. I *adore* hip hop. I don't like Eminem, I think he's a horrible >representation of the hip hop scene with the lyrics he chooses. I at first >thought he was for *real* but I don't see how he can rap about taking his >daughter down to the lake to bury his wife whom he killed. Would he do >that in real life? If so, well I wouldn't want him within 100 feet of >me. I'd rather have SOuls of Mischeif bust out or Black >Eyed Peas hands down. > Back to the original thing though.. So 1) Ravers are intimidated >by Gangsters because of the cultural differences in how people present >themselves, and also because they don't understand each other. There >doesn't seem to be a real effort on either part to sort of.. Open the >gates to know one another. But is that ever going to happen? Who knows. > My # 2 is of course, the bad name the THUGS in the scene give >gangstas. There *ARE* people out there who go to parties to steal shit, >and ruin peoples' nights by stirring shit up. They CAN be gangstas, *AND* >they CAN be shady ass ravers. They BOTH exist no matter what. But ravers, >no, they don't want to believe it is someone in "their" culture who is >doing it, so who to blame? The people who don't walk the raver walk, talk >the raver talk.. AND THIS is where the prejudice comes in. It's >"easy" to blame someone who doesn't look or act like they fit in. Many >ravers automatically assume that it's the "gangsta's" that are doing all >the thugging, because, yes, I have witnessed a gangsta thugging (and >stabbing >in the back a few years ago) and so have other people. But this assumption >that all gangstas are alike is pure prejudice. And the sad thing is, I've >seen ravers steal and gangsta's get blamed for it. It ends up getting >straightened out in the end but that widens the gap even moreso. > So that's why I think people have a problem with Coolworld booking >Eminem. Me? I'm not going to be there - I haven't attended a Coolworld >event since that kid got stabbed @ the NYE party a few years ago, and have >no desire to go to big parties anymore - I hate huge crowds like that. But >I go to jungle events and treat every person there the same - appearances >are NOTHING. For those of you who are complaining about gangstas in the >scene try going out of your way next time to befriend one, or ma ybe even >just strike up a conversation in that fucking 2 hour line you will >probably have to wait in. Realize we're all people, and we're all innocent >until proven otherwise. I.E. most likely the person standing next to you >is there for a good time, not to ruin your evening. > One last thought: I was thinking about the reversal on this, and >thought... If candy ravers hit up the next UG hip hop gig, or even the >next huge commercial hip hop tour, do you think THEY would be accepted? >heehee... >Love, >Lara > >---- >"In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain >two." > -- Erich Fromm > >"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > -- Oscar Wilde > >On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Morgan Foust wrote: > > > > > There's been a whole lot of traffic about Coolworld booking Eminem, >Greg > > attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole >lot > > of other negative things that go along with hiphop. > > What the heck is the problem with hiphop? Just because somebody >dresses > > differently than you do and listens to a different type of music that >you > > do, all of a sudden they're shady and threatening? Has it ever occurred >to > > you that the majority of the people who listen to hiphop are no more > > interested in hurting you than you are in hurting them? When you look at >a > > person at a party and go, 'What is that gangsta doing here?,' you're >judging > > somebody based on their race and the clothes they wear. Nothing more. >(And I > > imagine that if you saw a white guy dressed in 'gangsta' style clothes >you > > wouldn't give them a second thought.' > > We have a word for this kind of thinking: racism. > > What really burns me is to see this kind of thinking on a mailing >list > > for ravers. It's as if techno and hip-hop were diametric opposites. Come >to > > Bassic Elements or go into the bassment at 1015 or listen to ANY good >vocal > > jungle (DJ Hype & the Ragga Twins if you want a primer) and you'll find >out > > exactly how closely related techno and hip-hop are. > > > > -- Morgan > > (Yes, I HAVE been lurking on this list for the last two years.) > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67993-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 16:54:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86403 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 16:54:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86392 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 16:54:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705165440.17493.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Yasmin Fang To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] whats the problem with my boyfriend?? i know that this isnt rave related but i am having some issues in my relationship and i wanted to see what the list has to say on it. my boyfriend is great and i love him with all my heart but he tells me that i do not mean what i say. but i mean everything i say to him i love him with all my heart and its making me sad to know that he even feels this way. last night he made me cry my eyes out cuze he said that i dont mean it when i tell him that i love him and care about him. i dont know what the deal is. any advice people? thanks yasmin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67994-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 16:57:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89297 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 16:57:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89272 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 16:57:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:56:34 EDT From: LUV5LTRPNY@aol.com To: , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <2b.17c6b2a6.2875f642@aol.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Oh My Gawd........... I don't think I've ever been drunker than I was last night.... Next year I'm voting to work on the 4th and have the 5th off. Most defenitely. happy 4th of July though! =) Jessica --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67995-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:02:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92218 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:02:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92206 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:02:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:01:32 EDT From: LUV5LTRPNY@aol.com To: , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <78.17259148.2875f76c@aol.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RHV's New CD Wow.... This is a really good cd. I don't know if it tops his last one, but it is really good. I highly recommend it to any of his fans. Can't wait to see him Saturday night at Serenity!!!!! CD is titled; Damn, that dj made my day. AAAAAAHhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm so excited! Jessica --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67996-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:05:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93823 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:05:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93586 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:04:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:03:54 -0700 Message-Id: <200107051703.KAA24877@mail25.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.20.226.66] From: "Goa Graver" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, nico@bassdrop.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Public Apology to Isaac and SFR (was: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out]) I dont know any of you and some I really prolly dont want to know. I have no idea why you guys post this stuff, but I have to say this is the most mature post to come out of this list. I hope everyone just stops now and everyone focus's their energy on better things. PS- does anyone know if SUN Project is confermed for Area 51? > "n i c o" Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:56:43 -0700 > [sfraves] Public Apology to Isaac and SFR (was: Re: [sfraves] RE: COTS loves nico [was Re: Area 51 will sell out]) >> hrm....last time i recall you and nico just turned 5 years old, and from >> the looks of your emails i think you guys might be about 6...or is it 7? >> grow up! > >I regret sending out that e-mail because the last thing I wanted to do was >make it seem like I was a vindictive and pot-stirring "player hater". > >But there are a couple of things that need to be said which weren't in my >original post. I got frustrated and sent it out when I vented. But here's >the real: > >Chris Jackson has been a DJ for a long time and has produced some really >amazing sounds with next to no local support. He's done what people only >hope they can someday do and has turned his passion into a way of life. > >I don't think it's fair for you to criticize him for being belligerent and >sarcastic, even scathing, because it's not your place. Greg and him have >seen this scene transform from what it was into what it is and each have in >their own ways shaped it and adapted to its current form. > >You and I only came into this thing within the last 5 years and we've got >next to nothing to stand on if we're going to publicly lambast one of these >two men. > >The rave scene, what it once was and what it is, is a very special thing to >us both. Because it's so close to our hearts, it is something that has an >immediate draw on our emotions. When we respectively see something damage >our epic like view of this journey that each one of us on this list have >decided to travel, we tend to let our hearts overcome our good sense and >mind. > >That is what has occurred between you and I. I loved your parties. So you >threw a few boo boo's and I opened my big mouth about it. We let each other >continue to disrespect one another in a very childish fashion, although I >admit I willingly instigated the majority of the ... incidents I guess. > >I should have had the goddamn sense and class to help you in any way that I >could, be it support or just a kind word. Instead I took the opposite route >because I'm a young, unthinking male with the opinion that anything that >assaults my near religious fanaticism of our music and our way is deserving >of the worst I can put my mind to. > >Retrospect is 20/20. I apologize once again to you and the people who have >had to endure our arguments. > >I still do think though that CJ and Greg Sandler out of your league. It's >not just a matter of knowing your place, but more of a reverence for those >that have come before you. I'm not sure how much you know about techno but >Resource is where it is for a reason. And Harmony is Harmony. > >love (even for COTS *wink wink*) and especially techno, k thnx la~ > >n i c o > >p.s. I don't go to Solid anymore. : / No car. BOOOOO!!! > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed is here in my arms.... Words are very unnecessary, they can only do harm." Depeche Mode, Enjoy the Silence ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67997-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:05:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93918 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:05:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93783 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:04:59 -0000 X-Server-Uuid: 26fe3e76-19dd-11d3-be09-0008c7b1f151 Message-ID: From: "Robb, Roman (rrmr)" To: "'Yasmin Fang'" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:04:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 175A419C39866-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Hello Everyone Hey Everyone, Just wanted to say hello and introduce myself to the SFraves list here on hyperreal. I'm a 24 year old male from SF, just looking for some cool, mellow, 420 friendly, and fun people out there in my area. I live and work in the city and am trying to hit different venue's on my days off or whenever applicable. Keep in touch! Roman aka Four20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67998-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:22:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9778 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:22:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9768 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:22:35 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c10577$72929260$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Yasmin Fang" , References: <20010705165440.17493.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:25:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats the problem with my boyfriend?? What do you do other that that to show him you love him? Words aren't just enough, you have to show it in your actions not just your words. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yasmin Fang" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: [sfraves] whats the problem with my boyfriend?? > i know that this isnt rave related but i am having > some issues in my relationship and i wanted to see > what the list has to say on it. > my boyfriend is great and i love him with all my heart > but he tells me that i do not mean what i say. but i > mean everything i say to him i love him with all my > heart and its making me sad to know that he even feels > this way. last night he made me cry my eyes out cuze > he said that i dont mean it when i tell him that i > love him and care about him. i dont know what the deal > is. any advice people? > thanks > yasmin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-67999-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:30:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18801 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:30:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18698 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:30:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.228.27.210] From: "Rayn" To: "dank smoker" , "Lara" , "Morgan Foust" Cc: References: <20010705160307.66058.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:34:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 17:30:21.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AEC2CE0:01C10578] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] People and "the scene" (was: What's the problem with hiphop?) I don't post often.. This one will be brief. I have very mixed opinions on hip hop. There are multiple kinds. I think why most people don't want hip hop at rave parties is because most of it destroys all sense of community and can be very racist itself which is against why most of us go to raves. I know I'll probably be getting smacked for being a geeky white boy but Gangsta Rap like Eminem, Dre, etc. is very violent and degrading to many people. I personally hate the degradation of women in music. I know in some circles its socially acceptable to call a woman your bitch etc, but personally I hate it and don't like to be around that kind of stuff. But then theres the really fun stuff to dance to or listen to which usually doesn't degrade women or promote violence much.. Stuff like beastie boys, good breaks, hip-hop mixed with jungle, RunDMC, *tries to think of some newer ones* I don't know any by name but I know there is some stuff out there that I like. When I see gangsta's at parties I don't judge by race, sure their clothes usually give them away but I don't let the look fool. There are some really cool ones and then there are the ones that never look like they're having a good time, verbally judging people from far away thinking others can't hear them or just plain don't care, most won't back down in a situation that should by no means involve violence. I am by no means an e-tard, hyper, bouncy or any of the "percieved" characteristics of a raver yet I've been raving for over 5 years now. I love music, I love a good party, but most of all I love people and I hate to see others get hurt at anytime whether I know them or not and whether they know they're being made fun of for what their doing or not. I'm not a big judge of people and won't make a judgement about someone unless they give me a good reason too, and even then if I care about it I'll either choose to ignore it or see if there's something else behind their attitude. Nothing is uglier than racism and predjidice but unfortunately you can't escape it. I'm predjiduced to those views. But instead of forcing other views on them which they may not agree with I'll either not talk to them and stay out of earshot so I don't get angry by it or I'll strike up an intelligent conversation with them and see why they think they do, as long as they don't try to force their opinions on me and hate me for not seeing things the way they do. I don't hate them as a person, I just hate the negative views and outlooks they portray. Anyways, enough rambling. Sorry Huge events like Cyberfest are of course going to attract every and all crowds. Its not underground and everyone and they're dog is going to go to it because they sound like amazing parties to go to. Young, old, rich, poor, thug, e-tard, white, black, asian whatever. There is almost always a chance of violence wherever you go. Putting 40,000 people with different views together is almost bound to cause problems. Hope for the best yet expect the worst type events for the promoters. Sure they want to make a buck but most of these people probably promote raves as their full time job and have to pay the high rent here in the area like everyone else and really do try their best to make a good party get thrown. Sure some people are shady, I've had problems with coolworld like everyone else, maybe its the lack of expierience in running a business or they really just don't care that much. Not my problem, they have a good lineup that I wanna see? I'm going to go see them. Simple as that. If things fall through they should be held accountable but probably won't, simple as that. Espicially if its things out of their control like getting permits revoked etc. If you go to a party expecting it do be bad, it most likely will. If you wanna go see big dj's at a huge venue with tons of people, go, but don't hold high expectations of it like its an underground party. "Try not to expect too much, and you might not be let down." We are all human, we are all here on this hell hole called earth together. Why not make the best of it by having fun together instead of having fun by hurting each other? Sorry to sound like a hippy but alot of their ideas are good, yet the general populous doesn't like taking advice from people associated with being massive drug users. They're afraid of what they don't understand. I don't expect all or any of you to agree with me. Post your comments if you want. This is probably very disjointed and made no sense to anyone else but me due to my ADD and I'm at work but oh well :) LETS JUST ALL HAVE FUN NO MATTER WHAT! -Rayn ----- Original Message ----- From: "dank smoker" To: "Lara" ; "Morgan Foust" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? > i think if some candykids showed up at an underground > hip hop show in east los angeles, their parents (and > the police) would be left searching for their candy > beads in vain. > --- Lara wrote: > > Hi Morgan *delurk*! > > In my opinion there is absolutely NOTHING wrong > > with hip-hop. I > > have a problem however, with you addressing this > > issue as being a > > "racism" issue. People are complaining about a WHITE > > rapper showing up at > > Coolworld.... And as far as I know, the "hip hop" > > type "gangsta" people > > come in every color - black, white, asian, hispanic, > > somalian, nerd, dork, > > whatever. I strongly disagree that it's a racist > > issue, but I do agree > > that it would be considered PREJUDICE. Judging > > people based on their > > choices of living their life, not by their COLOR. If > > it was a racist > > problem, I think we'd be > > hearing more topics like "what's up with all the > > (insert race) showing up > > at parties all of a sudden?". And that's not the > > case. So what's the > > problem? I don't care myself but here's what I think > > it is(and I could be > > wrong, but it's worth a shot): > > Gangsta's intimidate ravers. I don't like the word > > "Gangsta" but > > for the loss of finding a better term (thug? I think > > that's assuming too > > much negative about hip-hoppers being theives)... > > It's true. Not all, but > > many bring attitude(confidence and a straight face > > most of the time) with > > them that ravers are not familiar with. Ravers are > > used to big hugs, > > welcoming smiles, 'tarded-out lovey-doveys, and I > > KNOW that all gangstas are not into that at all. So > > while they're not > > trying to come off as HARD, they don't share the > > same.. openness some > > ravers do. I knoooowww I'm gonna get criticized for > > this one, but please, > > keep an open ear here. I don't think that hip hop > > should be excluded from > > our scene at all - I am a true junglist and know how > > deeply rooted the > > ties between hip hop and jungle are, and appreciate > > it 100% to the > > fullest. I *adore* hip hop. I don't like Eminem, I > > think he's a horrible > > representation of the hip hop scene with the lyrics > > he chooses. I at first > > thought he was for *real* but I don't see how he can > > rap about taking his > > daughter down to the lake to bury his wife whom he > > killed. Would he do > > that in real life? If so, well I wouldn't want him > > within 100 feet of > > me. I'd rather have SOuls of Mischeif bust out or > > Black > > Eyed Peas hands down. > > Back to the original thing though.. So 1) Ravers > > are intimidated > > by Gangsters because of the cultural differences in > > how people present > > themselves, and also because they don't understand > > each other. There > > doesn't seem to be a real effort on either part to > > sort of.. Open the > > gates to know one another. But is that ever going to > > happen? Who knows. > > My # 2 is of course, the bad name the THUGS in the > > scene give > > gangstas. There *ARE* people out there who go to > > parties to steal shit, > > and ruin peoples' nights by stirring shit up. They > > CAN be gangstas, *AND* > > they CAN be shady ass ravers. They BOTH exist no > > matter what. But ravers, > > no, they don't want to believe it is someone in > > "their" culture who is > > doing it, so who to blame? The people who don't walk > > the raver walk, talk > > the raver talk.. AND THIS is where the prejudice > > comes in. It's > > "easy" to blame someone who doesn't look or act like > > they fit in. Many > > ravers automatically assume that it's the > > "gangsta's" that are doing all > > the thugging, because, yes, I have witnessed a > > gangsta thugging (and > > stabbing > > in the back a few years ago) and so have other > > people. But this assumption > > that all gangstas are alike is pure prejudice. And > > the sad thing is, I've > > seen ravers steal and gangsta's get blamed for it. > > It ends up getting > > straightened out in the end but that widens the gap > > even moreso. > > So that's why I think people have a problem with > > Coolworld booking > > Eminem. Me? I'm not going to be there - I haven't > > attended a Coolworld > > event since that kid got stabbed @ the NYE party a > > few years ago, and have > > no desire to go to big parties anymore - I hate huge > > crowds like that. But > > I go to jungle events and treat every person there > > the same - appearances > > are NOTHING. For those of you who are complaining > > about gangstas in the > > scene try going out of your way next time to > > befriend one, or ma ybe even > > just strike up a conversation in that fucking 2 hour > > line you will > > probably have to wait in. Realize we're all people, > > and we're all innocent > > until proven otherwise. I.E. most likely the person > > standing next to you > > is there for a good time, not to ruin your evening. > > One last thought: I was thinking about the reversal > > on this, and > > thought... If candy ravers hit up the next UG hip > > hop gig, or even the > > next huge commercial hip hop tour, do you think THEY > > would be accepted? > > heehee... > > Love, > > Lara > > > > ---- > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become > > one and yet remain > > two." > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are > > looking at the stars." > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Morgan Foust wrote: > > > > > > > > There's been a whole lot of traffic about > > Coolworld booking Eminem, Greg > > > attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, b-boys, > > shady vibes, and a whole lot > > > of other negative things that go along with > > hiphop. > > > What the heck is the problem with hiphop? Just > > because somebody dresses > > > differently than you do and listens to a different > > type of music that you > > > do, all of a sudden they're shady and threatening? > > Has it ever occurred to > > > you that the majority of the people who listen to > > hiphop are no more > > > interested in hurting you than you are in hurting > > them? When you look at a > > > person at a party and go, 'What is that gangsta > > doing here?,' you're judging > > > somebody based on their race and the clothes they > > wear. Nothing more. (And I > > > imagine that if you saw a white guy dressed in > > 'gangsta' style clothes you > > > wouldn't give them a second thought.' > > > We have a word for this kind of thinking: > > racism. > > > What really burns me is to see this kind of > > thinking on a mailing list > > > for ravers. It's as if techno and hip-hop were > > diametric opposites. Come to > > > Bassic Elements or go into the bassment at 1015 or > > listen to ANY good vocal > > > jungle (DJ Hype & the Ragga Twins if you want a > > primer) and you'll find out > > > exactly how closely related techno and hip-hop > > are. > > > > > > -- Morgan > > > (Yes, I HAVE been lurking on this list for > > the last two years.) > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68000-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:34:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26507 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:34:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26482 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:34:16 -0000 Message-ID: <018201c10579$469f20e0$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:38:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017F_01C1053E.9A064D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New Orleans Victory? Or Compromise? ------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C1053E.9A064D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 4. DEA Rave Bust Goes Bust Rolling Stone, July, 2001 by Dave Thigpen=20 Charges Against New Orleans Club Promoters Dropped=20 In a major victory for club promoters and ravegoers, a U.S. attorney in = New Orleans has dropped most of the charges against promoters at the = State Palace Theatre, home of the city's largest raves. The defendants = had been accused of encouraging and assisting drug use. "This is an = admission that the government shouldn't have been barking up this tree," = says Arthur Lemman, attorney for Brian Brunet, one of the promoters.=20 The decision -a plea agreement between the U.S. attorney's office and = the defendants -- brings to an end a controversial six-month case in = which U.S. Attorney Eddie Jordan ( who left office in April ) charged = the three promoters - Brunet, his brother Robert and Donnie Estopinal = -with violation of the 1986 federal "crack-house statute." That law = calls for jail time of up to twenty years, fines of up to $500,000 and = property seizures against defendants convicted of operating a home or = establishment with the intent of illegal drug use. The State Palace = Theatre, which often packs in 3,000 rovers a night, had been under Drug = Enforcement Administration scrutiny since the 1998 overdose death of a = seventeen-year-old Alabama woman, which authorities linked to the use of = Ecstasy.=20 Music fans protested that rave crackdowns unfairly targeted electronic = music, while club managers feared that a conviction would embolden state = and local authorities, who have already passed restrictive ordinances in = Illinois and Florida. In May, the operators of Club La Vela in Panama = City Beach, Florida, were also charged under the crackhouse statute. = Patrick and Thorsten Pfeffer are accused of making the club available = for the purpose of "unlawfully distributing controlled substances," = including Ecstasy, LSD, GHB and Special K. But as in the New Orleans = case, prosecutors have not shown any evidence linking the pair to drug = use.=20 Although the U.S. attorney's office in New Orleans dropped all charges = against the three promoters, it kept alive charges against the group's = corporation, Barbecue of New Orleans Inc. The company will pay a fine = of $100,000 for allowing its premises to serve as a site for the use and = distribution of drugs. In the meantime, the State Palace Theatre is = open for business, with weekend raves scheduled and security increased.=20 "The whole idea of charging an operator criminally for what people in an = audience may or may not do is simply half-baked," says Lemman. = "Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed." ------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C1053E.9A064D20-- From sfraves-return-68001-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:34:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26971 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:34:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26921 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:34:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.228.27.210] From: "Rayn" To: "... ! ..." , , Cc: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:38:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 17:33:55.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA91C9A0:01C10578] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? Actually I guess Eminem has a troupe of people coming with him.. I dunno what kind of band type thing he's doing now but the flier said people were coming with him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "... ! ..." To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? > I agree with Lara. > > Does anyone remember that freaky full moon party up in Marin last year? As > I recall, Amber had to step in and regulate some kids who were fencing with > beer bottles. > > I think Coolworld could replace Eminem with N'Sync in this show and have the > same desired outcome. It's not as if they're having a hip-hop room or > inviting anyone to come WITH Eminem. > > > - Q > > > > > >From: Lara > >To: Morgan Foust > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? > >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:25:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Hi Morgan *delurk*! > > In my opinion there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with hip-hop. I > >have a problem however, with you addressing this issue as being a > >"racism" issue. People are complaining about a WHITE rapper showing up at > >Coolworld.... And as far as I know, the "hip hop" type "gangsta" people > >come in every color - black, white, asian, hispanic, somalian, nerd, dork, > >whatever. I strongly disagree that it's a racist issue, but I do agree > >that it would be considered PREJUDICE. Judging people based on their > >choices of living their life, not by their COLOR. If it was a racist > >problem, I think we'd be > >hearing more topics like "what's up with all the (insert race) showing up > >at parties all of a sudden?". And that's not the case. So what's the > >problem? I don't care myself but here's what I think it is(and I could be > >wrong, but it's worth a shot): > > Gangsta's intimidate ravers. I don't like the word "Gangsta" but > >for the loss of finding a better term (thug? I think that's assuming too > >much negative about hip-hoppers being theives)... It's true. Not all, but > >many bring attitude(confidence and a straight face most of the time) with > >them that ravers are not familiar with. Ravers are used to big hugs, > >welcoming smiles, 'tarded-out lovey-doveys, and I > >KNOW that all gangstas are not into that at all. So while they're not > >trying to come off as HARD, they don't share the same.. openness some > >ravers do. I knoooowww I'm gonna get criticized for this one, but please, > >keep an open ear here. I don't think that hip hop should be excluded from > >our scene at all - I am a true junglist and know how deeply rooted the > >ties between hip hop and jungle are, and appreciate it 100% to the > >fullest. I *adore* hip hop. I don't like Eminem, I think he's a horrible > >representation of the hip hop scene with the lyrics he chooses. I at first > >thought he was for *real* but I don't see how he can rap about taking his > >daughter down to the lake to bury his wife whom he killed. Would he do > >that in real life? If so, well I wouldn't want him within 100 feet of > >me. I'd rather have SOuls of Mischeif bust out or Black > >Eyed Peas hands down. > > Back to the original thing though.. So 1) Ravers are intimidated > >by Gangsters because of the cultural differences in how people present > >themselves, and also because they don't understand each other. There > >doesn't seem to be a real effort on either part to sort of.. Open the > >gates to know one another. But is that ever going to happen? Who knows. > > My # 2 is of course, the bad name the THUGS in the scene give > >gangstas. There *ARE* people out there who go to parties to steal shit, > >and ruin peoples' nights by stirring shit up. They CAN be gangstas, *AND* > >they CAN be shady ass ravers. They BOTH exist no matter what. But ravers, > >no, they don't want to believe it is someone in "their" culture who is > >doing it, so who to blame? The people who don't walk the raver walk, talk > >the raver talk.. AND THIS is where the prejudice comes in. It's > >"easy" to blame someone who doesn't look or act like they fit in. Many > >ravers automatically assume that it's the "gangsta's" that are doing all > >the thugging, because, yes, I have witnessed a gangsta thugging (and > >stabbing > >in the back a few years ago) and so have other people. But this assumption > >that all gangstas are alike is pure prejudice. And the sad thing is, I've > >seen ravers steal and gangsta's get blamed for it. It ends up getting > >straightened out in the end but that widens the gap even moreso. > > So that's why I think people have a problem with Coolworld booking > >Eminem. Me? I'm not going to be there - I haven't attended a Coolworld > >event since that kid got stabbed @ the NYE party a few years ago, and have > >no desire to go to big parties anymore - I hate huge crowds like that. But > >I go to jungle events and treat every person there the same - appearances > >are NOTHING. For those of you who are complaining about gangstas in the > >scene try going out of your way next time to befriend one, or ma ybe even > >just strike up a conversation in that fucking 2 hour line you will > >probably have to wait in. Realize we're all people, and we're all innocent > >until proven otherwise. I.E. most likely the person standing next to you > >is there for a good time, not to ruin your evening. > > One last thought: I was thinking about the reversal on this, and > >thought... If candy ravers hit up the next UG hip hop gig, or even the > >next huge commercial hip hop tour, do you think THEY would be accepted? > >heehee... > >Love, > >Lara > > > >---- > >"In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > >two." > > -- Erich Fromm > > > >"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > >On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Morgan Foust wrote: > > > > > > > > There's been a whole lot of traffic about Coolworld booking Eminem, > >Greg > > > attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole > >lot > > > of other negative things that go along with hiphop. > > > What the heck is the problem with hiphop? Just because somebody > >dresses > > > differently than you do and listens to a different type of music that > >you > > > do, all of a sudden they're shady and threatening? Has it ever occurred > >to > > > you that the majority of the people who listen to hiphop are no more > > > interested in hurting you than you are in hurting them? When you look at > >a > > > person at a party and go, 'What is that gangsta doing here?,' you're > >judging > > > somebody based on their race and the clothes they wear. Nothing more. > >(And I > > > imagine that if you saw a white guy dressed in 'gangsta' style clothes > >you > > > wouldn't give them a second thought.' > > > We have a word for this kind of thinking: racism. > > > What really burns me is to see this kind of thinking on a mailing > >list > > > for ravers. It's as if techno and hip-hop were diametric opposites. Come > >to > > > Bassic Elements or go into the bassment at 1015 or listen to ANY good > >vocal > > > jungle (DJ Hype & the Ragga Twins if you want a primer) and you'll find > >out > > > exactly how closely related techno and hip-hop are. > > > > > > -- Morgan > > > (Yes, I HAVE been lurking on this list for the last two years.) > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68002-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:36:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32267 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:36:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32178 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:36:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.19] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: fusion19@houston.rr.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:36:19 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 17:36:20.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[00765020:01C10579] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP**DDR-HARD F#$%ING ACID!!! Attention all! On WEDNESDAY JULY 11TH STEREOPHONIK WILL BREING YOU-------- DDR of Smitten and Stay Up Forever A live acid PA to celebrate the Stereophonik One Year Anniversary! One year of the finest underground music in the South Bay! Also along for the ride will be the might of Keith Edwards vs. Damon Amber Blair All this and more for seven dollars! This is the real thing folks, don't settle for less! The STEREOPHONIK ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY! Stereophonik happens every Wednesday at the Cactus Club. 417 S 1st St. San Jose, Ca, USA, Earth Get there early, its gonna be packed! Blair Stereophonik _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68003-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:37:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34487 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:37:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34474 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:37:27 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.19] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:36:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 17:36:58.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[178E7BC0:01C10579] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP**DDR-HARD F#$%ING ACID!!! Attention all! On WEDNESDAY JULY 11TH STEREOPHONIK WILL BREING YOU-------- DDR of Smitten and Stay Up Forever A live acid PA to celebrate the Stereophonik One Year Anniversary! One year of the finest underground music in the South Bay! Also along for the ride will be the might of Keith Edwards vs. Damon Amber Blair All this and more for seven dollars! This is the real thing folks, don't settle for less! The STEREOPHONIK ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY! Stereophonik happens every Wednesday at the Cactus Club. 417 S 1st St. San Jose, Ca, USA, Earth Get there early, its gonna be packed! Blair Stereophonik _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68004-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:50:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45038 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:50:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45027 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:50:22 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:50:13 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107051703.KAA24877@mail25.bigmailbox.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Sun Project > PS- does anyone know if SUN Project is confermed for Area 51? Sun Project might be there? Omigod. If so, people do not repeat DO NOT miss the chance to see and hear these guys in action. They will completely rearrange your body and mind. The most insane, warped, blow-off-the-roof live show you can imagine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68005-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 17:54:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49563 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 17:54:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49552 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 17:54:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705175403.59429.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Presser To: "Eckö" , Yasmin Fang , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <001d01c10577$72929260$100110ac@thenoid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats the problem with my boyfriend?? Hard to comment on something like this because there's obviously a lot more going on than we can see. But it looks like your b/f just needs assurances about your feelings toward him because he's in a place right now where he's not sure of possibly many things and about himself (could be more than just how you feel towards him). Did he lose his job recently? Has he seen you be friendly towards other guys? Have things not been going well for him lately that might affect his self-esteem? Sounds like a shrink eval, I know, but if there's really no question about your feelings toward him, there could be other things going on in his life that is making him question his confidence in himself and the feelings toward him from the people he cares about. Just a thought... Rick --- Eckö wrote: > What do you do other that that to show him you love > him? Words aren't just > enough, you have to show it in your actions not just > your words. > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yasmin Fang" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:54 AM > Subject: [sfraves] whats the problem with my > boyfriend?? > > > > i know that this isnt rave related but i am having > > some issues in my relationship and i wanted to see > > what the list has to say on it. > > my boyfriend is great and i love him with all my > heart > > but he tells me that i do not mean what i say. but > i > > mean everything i say to him i love him with all > my > > heart and its making me sad to know that he even > feels > > this way. last night he made me cry my eyes out > cuze > > he said that i dont mean it when i tell him that i > > love him and care about him. i dont know what the > deal > > is. any advice people? > > thanks > > yasmin > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68006-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 18:03:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56645 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 18:03:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56625 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 18:03:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705180338.49918.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Presser To: Bryan Oley , sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <018201c10579$469f20e0$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Orleans Victory? Or Compromise? Personally, I would count this as a VICTORY! It looks like someone in the New Orleans District Attorney's office took their head out of their ass in time enough to pull the heads out of the other people's asses, and in order to save face, just slapped the promoters with a fine. All hail "heads out of ass" pullers. :) Rick --- Bryan Oley wrote: > 4. DEA Rave Bust Goes Bust > Rolling Stone, July, 2001 > by Dave Thigpen > Charges Against New Orleans Club Promoters Dropped > > In a major victory for club promoters and ravegoers, > a U.S. attorney in New Orleans has dropped most of > the charges against promoters at the State Palace > Theatre, home of the city's largest raves. The > defendants had been accused of encouraging and > assisting drug use. "This is an admission that the > government shouldn't have been barking up this > tree," says Arthur Lemman, attorney for Brian > Brunet, one of the promoters. > The decision -a plea agreement between the U.S. > attorney's office and the defendants -- brings to an > end a controversial six-month case in which U.S. > Attorney Eddie Jordan ( who left office in April ) > charged the three promoters - Brunet, his brother > Robert and Donnie Estopinal -with violation of the > 1986 federal "crack-house statute." That law calls > for jail time of up to twenty years, fines of up to > $500,000 and property seizures against defendants > convicted of operating a home or establishment with > the intent of illegal drug use. The State Palace > Theatre, which often packs in 3,000 rovers a night, > had been under Drug Enforcement Administration > scrutiny since the 1998 overdose death of a > seventeen-year-old Alabama woman, which authorities > linked to the use of Ecstasy. > Music fans protested that rave crackdowns unfairly > targeted electronic music, while club managers > feared that a conviction would embolden state and > local authorities, who have already passed > restrictive ordinances in Illinois and Florida. In > May, the operators of Club La Vela in Panama City > Beach, Florida, were also charged under the > crackhouse statute. Patrick and Thorsten Pfeffer > are accused of making the club available for the > purpose of "unlawfully distributing controlled > substances," including Ecstasy, LSD, GHB and Special > K. But as in the New Orleans case, prosecutors have > not shown any evidence linking the pair to drug use. > > Although the U.S. attorney's office in New Orleans > dropped all charges against the three promoters, it > kept alive charges against the group's corporation, > Barbecue of New Orleans Inc. The company will pay a > fine of $100,000 for allowing its premises to serve > as a site for the use and distribution of drugs. In > the meantime, the State Palace Theatre is open for > business, with weekend raves scheduled and security > increased. > "The whole idea of charging an operator criminally > for what people in an audience may or may not do is > simply half-baked," says Lemman. "Fortunately, > cooler heads prevailed." > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68007-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 18:10:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65659 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 18:10:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65649 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 18:10:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008701c10478$743fa800$1e02fea9@djesmo> References: <008701c10478$743fa800$1e02fea9@djesmo> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:06:28 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MTV....sigh.... Silly...music videos ARE advertisements...y'know, so that you will BUY the record...buy buy buy youth youth youth grain of salt, man, grain of salt EMPTY VEE is mostly harmless really >2nite i was flippin around and i turned on mtv >just out of habit... >and i usually cant watch it very long just bcuz of how ridiculous it is... >but 2nite i felt like stickin with it for awhile.. >it wasnt until 2nite that i realized just how disgusting it is... >the horrible musik videos arent all of it... >the blatent advertising every 2 seconds.. >u can see how all the corporations abuse the shit out of that tv station... >it is the MOST fake channel on TV, which is full of dumb channels... >ne way my challenge to all of u >is to carefully watch mtv for just one hour... >watch everything.. >the commercials.. >the videos.. >the "news".. >everything... and u will c wut im talkin about... >why should u do this??? >bcuz this is one of the things our generation needs to put a stop 2 or >we will b a world full of mindless morons... >even more so than we are now... >;) >L8 -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68008-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 18:20:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78523 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 18:20:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78512 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 18:20:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004c01c104e5$ef718260$6501a8c0@insomnia> References: <004c01c104e5$ef718260$6501a8c0@insomnia> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:18:07 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? I think it's more a veiled classism. hip hop heads come in all colors. It's their perceived (key word) social standing (stance?) that begets a bad rep. Let's all remember the fact that ever since RUN DMC, NWA, and Public Enemy the prime consumers of hip hop were white kids. Ditch the race card. The real division is class. At 5:03 PM -0700 7/4/01, Morgan Foust wrote: > There's been a whole lot of traffic about Coolworld booking Eminem, Greg >attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole lot >of other negative things that go along with hiphop. > What the heck is the problem with hiphop? Just because somebody dresses >differently than you do and listens to a different type of music that you >do, all of a sudden they're shady and threatening? Has it ever occurred to >you that the majority of the people who listen to hiphop are no more >interested in hurting you than you are in hurting them? When you look at a >person at a party and go, 'What is that gangsta doing here?,' you're judging >somebody based on their race and the clothes they wear. Nothing more. (And I >imagine that if you saw a white guy dressed in 'gangsta' style clothes you >wouldn't give them a second thought.' > We have a word for this kind of thinking: racism. > What really burns me is to see this kind of thinking on a mailing list >for ravers. It's as if techno and hip-hop were diametric opposites. Come to >Bassic Elements or go into the bassment at 1015 or listen to ANY good vocal >jungle (DJ Hype & the Ragga Twins if you want a primer) and you'll find out >exactly how closely related techno and hip-hop are. > > -- Morgan > (Yes, I HAVE been lurking on this list for the last two years.) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68009-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 18:26:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90924 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 18:26:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90913 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 18:26:34 -0000 Reply-To: From: "[submit]" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:32:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C10546.2FD6F230" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr: 2 tickets for Air at Warfield 7/9 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C10546.2FD6F230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi kiddos: I have 2 tickets for Air at Warfield Too bad for me, I'm not up to it right now, but my loss is your gain! I'm selling the pair at face value, which is $58 cash money. e-mail me directly: nancella@mindspring.com (first come, first serve) cheers ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C10546.2FD6F230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C10546.2FD6F230-- From sfraves-return-68010-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 18:27:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92466 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 18:27:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92456 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 18:27:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:25:29 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? Word Lara! Your point about the openess of tarded out loved-up ravers vs more closed gangster is a bit interesting. In all frankness, wasn't E kinda like the link in Raves that was supposed to bridge that gap. Even if only for a night. At 7:25 AM -0700 7/5/01, Lara wrote: >Hi Morgan *delurk*! > In my opinion there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with hip-hop. I >have a problem however, with you addressing this issue as being a >"racism" issue. People are complaining about a WHITE rapper showing up at >Coolworld.... And as far as I know, the "hip hop" type "gangsta" people >come in every color - black, white, asian, hispanic, somalian, nerd, dork, >whatever. I strongly disagree that it's a racist issue, but I do agree >that it would be considered PREJUDICE. Judging people based on their >choices of living their life, not by their COLOR. If it was a racist >problem, I think we'd be >hearing more topics like "what's up with all the (insert race) showing up >at parties all of a sudden?". And that's not the case. So what's the >problem? I don't care myself but here's what I think it is(and I could be >wrong, but it's worth a shot): > Gangsta's intimidate ravers. I don't like the word "Gangsta" but >for the loss of finding a better term (thug? I think that's assuming too >much negative about hip-hoppers being theives)... It's true. Not all, but >many bring attitude(confidence and a straight face most of the time) with >them that ravers are not familiar with. Ravers are used to big hugs, >welcoming smiles, 'tarded-out lovey-doveys, and I >KNOW that all gangstas are not into that at all. So while they're not >trying to come off as HARD, they don't share the same.. openness some >ravers do. I knoooowww I'm gonna get criticized for this one, but please, >keep an open ear here. I don't think that hip hop should be excluded from >our scene at all - I am a true junglist and know how deeply rooted the >ties between hip hop and jungle are, and appreciate it 100% to the >fullest. I *adore* hip hop. I don't like Eminem, I think he's a horrible >representation of the hip hop scene with the lyrics he chooses. I at first >thought he was for *real* but I don't see how he can rap about taking his >daughter down to the lake to bury his wife whom he killed. Would he do >that in real life? If so, well I wouldn't want him within 100 feet of >me. I'd rather have SOuls of Mischeif bust out or Black >Eyed Peas hands down. -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68011-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 18:38:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5099 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 18:38:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5058 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 18:38:39 -0000 Reply-To: From: "[submit]" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:44:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C10547.DF91B650" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] sold:[sfraves] nrr: 2 tickets for Air at Warfield 7/9 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C10547.DF91B650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry kids, the Air tickets were sold in 5 minutes flat! Have a nice one, nancella http://www.nancella.com icq 57515064 IM XnancellaX 415-831-1675 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C10547.DF91B650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C10547.DF91B650-- From sfraves-return-68012-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 18:39:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6601 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 18:39:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6495 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 18:39:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:36:45 -0700 From: IntenSmile In-reply-to: To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? Here is a little bit of info on D12/Eminem. Read this and tell me if you think it would fit in nicely at a rave. ************************************** Like Eminem's last two solo albums, the debut LP from his hometown crew, D12, opens with a public service announcement. But this time, the announcer suggests that anyone offended by words like "bitch" and "faggot" should turn off their stereos immediately. "We want people to know what the f--- they gonna hear for the next hour," D12's Bizarre said, speaking from the group's home base of Detroit last week. "It's our own ghetto public service announcement." The sextet asks those who keep listening to Devils Night, due Tuesday, not to draw conclusions from what they hear - a request that will sound awfully familiar to Eminem fans. "I say that I'm picking up transvestites on my Harley-Davidson in one of my raps," Bizarre said. "There's no barriers. You can't say that we're faggot bashers, you can't say that we like gays, you can't say nothing about us, 'cause we're not scared to trip on any subject. How can we hate fags with Bizarre saying sh-- like that? It's all in fun, and that's how it should be." But Bizarre said the album is not without realistic portraits, pointing, of all songs, to "American Psycho," on which he and Eminem trade rhymes that bring listeners "into the mind of a psychopath killer," complete with lyrics about eating a human fetus. "It's not really to shock. Shock-rap, to me, is just saying anything to get people's attention," Bizarre said. "Our minds are just warped like that. We just tell how we feel, and basically the sh-- that we talk about is going on in real life. It's just the type of sh-- you don't talk about. It might be sick, like some Stephen King horror sh--, but it's reality. I'm just trying to be a narrator and tell a story." -----Original Message----- From: blindspot [mailto:blindspot@mac.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:18 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? I think it's more a veiled classism. hip hop heads come in all colors. It's their perceived (key word) social standing (stance?) that begets a bad rep. Let's all remember the fact that ever since RUN DMC, NWA, and Public Enemy the prime consumers of hip hop were white kids. Ditch the race card. The real division is class. At 5:03 PM -0700 7/4/01, Morgan Foust wrote: > There's been a whole lot of traffic about Coolworld booking Eminem, Greg >attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole lot >of other negative things that go along with hiphop. > What the heck is the problem with hiphop? Just because somebody dresses >differently than you do and listens to a different type of music that you >do, all of a sudden they're shady and threatening? Has it ever occurred to >you that the majority of the people who listen to hiphop are no more >interested in hurting you than you are in hurting them? When you look at a >person at a party and go, 'What is that gangsta doing here?,' you're judging >somebody based on their race and the clothes they wear. Nothing more. (And I >imagine that if you saw a white guy dressed in 'gangsta' style clothes you >wouldn't give them a second thought.' > We have a word for this kind of thinking: racism. > What really burns me is to see this kind of thinking on a mailing list >for ravers. It's as if techno and hip-hop were diametric opposites. Come to >Bassic Elements or go into the bassment at 1015 or listen to ANY good vocal >jungle (DJ Hype & the Ragga Twins if you want a primer) and you'll find out >exactly how closely related techno and hip-hop are. > > -- Morgan > (Yes, I HAVE been lurking on this list for the last two years.) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68013-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 18:49:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22999 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 18:49:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22956 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 18:49:37 -0000 From: "G Sauce" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:54:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp Amnesia Saturday July 7th ~ 9pm- 2AM Buddha Hi Fi presents an evening at Amnesia, with guest dj Tracy. Amnesia is located at 853 Valencia btw 19th and 20th. Cover $3 21+ please DJs for the evening include DJ Tracy (raindance, quest, endup) www.djtracy.com Gabe ~ Drew ~ Rachel www.buddha-hifi.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68014-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 18:56:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31043 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 18:56:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31025 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 18:56:35 -0000 Message-ID: <026b01c10584$c56902a0$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> From: "Bryan Oley" To: "Brandon Plank" , , References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:00:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: New Orleans Victory? Or Compromise? Actually, for those who dont know.. Donny (one of the brothers accused) actually back out on the plea bargain. In which case the prosecutors dropped all charges against the promoters and charged the venue/owners. Still sad, but its basically making venue owners tighten security. The actual promoters being charged issue was beaten.. -B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Plank" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: Re: New Orleans Victory? Or Compromise? > <> > > The charges weren't dropped... they pled guilty and have to pay $100K in > fines. This is a SAD day for ALL promoters. Basically, this shows the > government that they CAN bully us and push us around. I have a feeling that > these boys got off ALOT easier than they could have... since I know VERY FEW > promoters that are angels and don't deal @ their own events(although less > and less promoters are these days with all the added pressure)... i think > these guys in New Orleans are lucky they didnt get nailed for all the > charges that COULD have been brought up. > > just my 2 pennies > > B > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68015-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 19:00:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38690 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 19:00:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38670 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 19:00:38 -0000 Message-ID: <028201c10585$570c7cf0$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , , Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:04:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_027F_01C1054A.AA674D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Viagra Stolen From Heathrow Airport for "Sextasy Raves" ------=_NextPart_000_027F_01C1054A.AA674D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 THURSDAY JULY 05 2001=20 =20 =A33m Viagra theft may go to fuel 'sextasy' raves=20 =20 BY LAURA PEEK=20 =20 FIVE drums of the anti-impotence drug Viagra with an = estimated value of up to =A33 million have been stolen from Heathrow = airport.=20 About 230lb of the drug, which was in powder form, = disappeared as it was being transported through the terminal complex en = route from Brussels to Puerto Rico.=20 Police say there is huge demand for black-market Viagra, = which is turned into capsules, blended with Ecstasy and sold as a = recreational rave drug which is known as "sexstasy".=20 Detective Sergeant Roger Moxey of Scotland Yard's Heathrow = Airport crime squad said: "When this kicked off I thought the market = must be pharmaceutical, but it's the club scene. It's being taken along = with Ecstasy by clubbers. I have no idea what effect that has.=20 "This was definitely an organised conspiracy. The thieves = knew exactly what they were going for," he said.=20 Police last week retrieved 6,000 capsules, each containing = between 80 and 100 milligrams of Viagra, which they believe was from the = Heathrow batch. The capsules were being sold in nightclubs for around = =A312 each.=20 The official value of the stolen Viagra consignment is = almost =A33 million, but its street value is estimated to be much = higher. Some clubbers are reported to be paying as much as =A320 for a = tablet.=20 Insurers for Pfizer, the manufacturer of Viagra, have put up = a =A320,000 reward for information about the theft.=20 Viagra was licensed in September 1998 and made available on = NHS prescription the following year.=20 Two men, Andrew Smith and Steven Benham, appeared before = Uxbridge Magistrates Court yesterday charged with handling =A32,700,000 = worth of sildenafil citrate, the chemical name for Viagra, stolen from = Heathrow last year, as well as possession of a firearm and ammunition.=20 The theft occurred as five palettes were in transit. All = five palettes landed at the airport but one containing five drums later = went missing. =20 =20 http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001230895,00.html ------=_NextPart_000_027F_01C1054A.AA674D20-- From sfraves-return-68016-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 19:05:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43746 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 19:05:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43735 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 19:05:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:04:57 -0700 Message-Id: <200107051904.MAA30148@mail17.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [63.201.57.44] From: "*madhvi *" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] What NOT to do on the 4th of July! So, i'd just like to share w/ everyone the debacle of a day i had yesterday. Prologue For the last 3 weeks i'd been planning on Sunset for the 4th. I got several invites for the melon boat party but turned it down b/c i didn't really feel like shelling out $35 for 4 hours of jeno and maybe doc martin. Besides, PSC is a fave group of mine anyway and the beach sounded great, so it was all good! The Story So, i had all these leftover bananas and thought, i should make cupcakes and give them out to peeps at sunset as part of our picnic spread. i woke up at 9am yesterday and made 50 really yummy banana cupcakes w/ homemade cream cheese frosting. I even bought red and blue sparkle stuff (edible) a la festive motif. then i waited...and waited...and waited for my friend to wake his ass up so we could get the fuk outta dodge. (i should've realized at that point it was a foreshadowing of things to come and just gone w/out him.) we'd agreed on 2:30/3 as our departure time. 4pm hits and we FINALLY roll out, w/ 2 unexpected passengers. No biggie, the more the merrier i say. well, we go over GG Bridge and go past Muir Woods and are HALFWAY there to Stinson when grumbles from the backseat erupt about how we should've gone to the melon boat party. Excerpt: "Fuck this shit, let's go to the boat party." Then we pulled over to have a conference about it. My input was that we didn't h! ave tix, they were sold out, and we were already on our way to a fun party w/ blankets, sandwiches, and cupcakes and I didn't want to pay $35. It was decided someone would sponsor me and we would go. It was now 4:45, boat to leave the dock at 6, and we're already 20 minutes from the GG Bridge (not counting traffic). So despite my misgivings and my plan to go to Sunset, we turn around due to these unexpected passengers. I must admit, i could've been more pushy about sunset, but i didn't want to be the sole dissenter and be branded a negative thinker, and the windy road to Bolinas had rendered me not as forceful as i usually am. but in retrospect, i should have said fuk all you, i'm going to sunset. but i get ahead of myself. so we abort sunset mid-route and go back across the bridge thru tons of traffic and head to pier 39 (the WORST place to be on the 4th). We pay $20 to park after being entrenched in traffic and walk over to the pier. We proceed to wait about an hour and a half b/c the boat left an hour behind schedule due to the soundsystem guys being stuck in traffic and then are told no more tix. "Please disperse, there are no more tickets to be had." I started laughing hysterically b/c what else could i do at that point? We had just watched a bunch of friends get on the boat! and ready to party while we were stuck behind the rails. It was 7:30 by this point. We get back in the car, which we'd paid $20 to park for our failed mission and promptly get stuck in the car for 45 minutes while everyone argued about what they wanted to do next. A very "Me me me me" situation w/ everyone pissed off. At that point, i packed myself a bowl and removed myself from any further decisionmaking. We ended up at Galaxy club and the only high point (not literally, but u know what i mean) of my nite was that oliver spun in the mushroom song, which i love. then i passed out cupcakes to the door people and anyone else who wanted one, ate my sandwich, and went home. Epilogue The reason I've elected to share this w/ all of you is b/c i was reminded of a childhood story about the dog who has a bone in his jaws, walks by a pond and sees a reflection of what he perceives to be another bone, and drops the bone he has to get the illusory one; thereby losing all. THAT WAS MY DAY. The moral(s) of the story is/are: STICK W/ THE ORIGINAL PLAN except in cases of SNAFU, DON'T get greedy, AND tell everyone tries to take you off-course to F*** OFF!!! ~THE END~ Madhvi ------------------------------------------------------------ Everything starts with an E. http://www.bluelight.nu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68017-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 19:10:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46617 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 19:10:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46607 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 19:10:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:06:53 -0700 From: Morgan To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org Message-id: <00ff01c10585$a7853a00$0200a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP~FOCUS~ july 13th......... This is shaping up to be a great party... relatively inexpensive too, and you know how I like that. ;) Morgan - www.djmorgan.com ----- Original Message ----- > Coming July 13th 2001....... > > Mindgames productions with a helping hand from NeuroScience Creations > presents...... > > FOCUS > > > MORGAN > TELENE > MICHAEL LIU > ALIAS > JUSTIN HALE > BAZOOKA JOE > KEITH EDWARDS > LEON COOK > CELSIUS > BLAIR > RAYGIN > BROTHA REESE > SYMPLEX > PSYKORAL > TYME > PATRIK > CRAZ-E ON-E > TRANCEPIMP > CHOCO > EBER > ENRINCO F. > EINSTEIN > ELEKTROLYTE > vs. > NEUROPSYNTIST > > > we will be converting a prime piece of centrally located bay area real > estate into a three room musical playground, with unlimited outdoor smoking > space, and a handful of stimulating chill rooms. This is a never been used > before, and never will be used again venue, so missing this event will leave > you wondering what you missed. With NeuroScience Creations bringing all the > sound in their arsenal, all three rooms will be bumpin. Together with > multiple Lasers and a handful of mind blowing visuals, your senses will be > stimulated. We are limiting the capacity to ensure enough space to sit, lay, > and still have plenty of room to dance, even with the assortment of chairs > and couches lining the walls in all three rooms. We are going all out to > ensure that we use this opportunity to its fullest, and to bring you the > best party we can while we are at it, and hopefully one of the best parties > you will experience ever. So please come out and help us make this a night > to remember, we promise we wont let you down........ > > this venue guaranteed not to relocate last minute, setup is already in > progress.... > > multiple restrooms with running water and stocked toilet paper...... > > reasonably priced water, red bull, and candy..... > > plenty of free secured and patrolled parking provided.... > > multiple free giveaway's (CD's and tape's)....... > > 1,500 person capacity...... > > $15 pre-sales at Skills in Berkley and Solid Grooves in Santa Clara, $20 at > the venue..... > > questions, comments or concerns 1(408)514-2600 x6583 (location information > event evening only) > > or visit the link on our website > > www.nscreation.com > > another neuroscience creation > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68018-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 19:24:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61347 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 19:24:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61337 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 19:24:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:16:44 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? I think you are using the word "rave" in either too narrow a context or too wide. Coolworld does not claim anywhere in their marketing copy to be throwin a "rave" See for yourself: http://www.coolworld.com/calendar/cyberfest2001.htm It's a "Music Festival". If I would never consider a "rave" a "music festival", why would I ever consider a "music festival" a "rave"? I went to the very first Cyberfest, at least I think it was, back in the early nineties held in a china basin concrete blacktop/field compound. The vibe was nothing like the "raves" I would later go to. So Coolword has been doing this cross pollination festival thing for a while, as well as more "ravey" things, I think. I also think that the sooner people get over the fact that EDM has been coopted by big corporations to sell entertainment and products or the music itself to youth, the better off they'll be and will be able to move into more creative and stimulating perceptions beyond the old paradigms. I do agree, however, that the vibe of D12 is not consistent with a candy/lovey/fuzzy/warm whatever-you wanna-call-it. That's pretty obvious. But these cats are coming up on the heels of Ems success, warranted or not. I'm interested to hear what they got to say. I can judge for myself. I know enough faggots and bitches to know that you can use both words in different ways, with love or hate or just goofballness. We are all smart people. If D12 spews hate, I don't think that fact will be lost on anyone. Maybe I'm old but I like to look at music and dancing in it's cultural context. In a way it's all just like Rock n' Roll and jazz. Rock n' roll when it is done right is scary. Whenever musical boundaries have been breached, people get all bent out of shape and it never goes down easy, but if it's bad, it's bad. I think I can see what D12 and Em are trying to do. In part it's a reaction to the PC decade and century we just left. But time will tell if they have anything good to say and whether the world eats it up or spits it out. P.S. Cool email addy. Reminds me of the song by Information Society (was it "I Want to Know"?) with the guy saying "pure energy". Ahhhhh, sample salad days. Hey, that gives me an idea for a happy hardcore remix!!! >Here is a little bit of info on D12/Eminem. Read this and tell me if you >think it would fit in nicely at a rave. >************************************** >Like Eminem's last two solo albums, the debut LP from his hometown crew, >D12, opens with a public service announcement. > >But this time, the announcer suggests that anyone offended by words like >"bitch" and "faggot" should turn off their stereos immediately. > >"We want people to know what the f--- they gonna hear for the next hour," >D12's Bizarre said, speaking from the group's home base of Detroit last >week. "It's our own ghetto public service announcement." > >The sextet asks those who keep listening to Devils Night, due Tuesday, not >to draw conclusions from what they hear - a request that will sound awfully >familiar to Eminem fans. > >"I say that I'm picking up transvestites on my Harley-Davidson in one of my >raps," Bizarre said. "There's no barriers. You can't say that we're faggot >bashers, you can't say that we like gays, you can't say nothing about us, >'cause we're not scared to trip on any subject. How can we hate fags with >Bizarre saying sh-- like that? It's all in fun, and that's how it should >be." > >But Bizarre said the album is not without realistic portraits, pointing, of >all songs, to "American Psycho," on which he and Eminem trade rhymes that >bring listeners "into the mind of a psychopath killer," complete with lyrics >about eating a human fetus. > >"It's not really to shock. Shock-rap, to me, is just saying anything to get >people's attention," Bizarre said. "Our minds are just warped like that. We >just tell how we feel, and basically the sh-- that we talk about is going on >in real life. It's just the type of sh-- you don't talk about. It might be >sick, like some Stephen King horror sh--, but it's reality. I'm just trying >to be a narrator and tell a story." > > >-----Original Message----- >From: blindspot [mailto:blindspot@mac.com] >Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:18 AM >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? > >I think it's more a veiled classism. hip hop heads come in all >colors. It's their perceived (key word) social standing (stance?) >that begets a bad rep. > >Let's all remember the fact that ever since RUN DMC, NWA, and Public >Enemy the prime consumers of hip hop were white kids. > >Ditch the race card. The real division is class. > > > >At 5:03 PM -0700 7/4/01, Morgan Foust wrote: >> There's been a whole lot of traffic about Coolworld booking Eminem, >Greg >>attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole >lot >>of other negative things that go along with hiphop. >> What the heck is the problem with hiphop? Just because somebody >dresses >>differently than you do and listens to a different type of music that you >>do, all of a sudden they're shady and threatening? Has it ever occurred to >>you that the majority of the people who listen to hiphop are no more >>interested in hurting you than you are in hurting them? When you look at a >>person at a party and go, 'What is that gangsta doing here?,' you're >judging >>somebody based on their race and the clothes they wear. Nothing more. (And >I >>imagine that if you saw a white guy dressed in 'gangsta' style clothes you >>wouldn't give them a second thought.' >> We have a word for this kind of thinking: racism. >> What really burns me is to see this kind of thinking on a mailing list >>for ravers. It's as if techno and hip-hop were diametric opposites. Come to >>Bassic Elements or go into the bassment at 1015 or listen to ANY good vocal >>jungle (DJ Hype & the Ragga Twins if you want a primer) and you'll find out >>exactly how closely related techno and hip-hop are. >> >> -- Morgan >> (Yes, I HAVE been lurking on this list for the last two years.) >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >-- >-blindspot > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68019-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 19:40:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71133 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 19:40:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71123 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 19:40:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:39:58 -0700 Message-Id: <200107051939.MAA13917@mail1.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.20.226.66] From: "Goa Graver" To: blindspot@mac.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? That was Information Society and it was Spock who says "Pure Energy" Go to 1984 at Cat club on thurs nights to hear music like that- its always where I am. "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed is here in my arms.... Words are very unnecessary, they can only do harm." Depeche Mode, Enjoy the Silence ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68020-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 19:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81850 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 19:54:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81834 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 19:54:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.166.226.157] From: "K Gray" To: andy@saturn5.com, sarahqadri@hotmail.com Cc: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mirage373@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:53:50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 19:53:51.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[36B90520:01C1058C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re: Area 51 sell out promotions >On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, sarah qadri wrote: >-&e->wow, i'm surprised at the amount of bitter old men on this list. Andy protested: >Hey, some of us haven't even posted today! And some of us aren't men. K _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68021-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 19:55:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83680 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 19:55:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83670 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 19:55:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705195520.15573.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr - furniture greetings brothers and sisters... i hope you all had a beautiful 4th, with the exception of having to deal with a few flakes, i had a wonderful 4th... i remembered my friends annual rooftop bbq and boozefest at the last second and went out there to watch the fireworks... anyway, i'm attempting some remodeling and painting of my new place and am looking for some furniture, i wasn't having any luck on craigs so i thought i'd ask all of you... i'm looking for a double/full sized bed (with box spring), it doesn't need a frame as i'm turning it into a couch with the help of some big ass pillows but it will double as the spare bed... i'm also looking for a small kitchen table, maybe 48"x48" or there abouts with 4 chairs... if you have any leads, preferably in the east bay, please let me know... ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68022-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 19:57:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85329 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 19:57:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85310 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 19:57:05 -0000 From: Klatuu02@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:56:40 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_dc.89825af.28762078_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? --part1_dc.89825af.28762078_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nothings wrong with hip hop just as nothings wrong with rock with the logic that hip hop has influenced techno/d an b whatever.. so has rock..and granted there is good rock and bad rock.. just as there is negative hip hop and positive hip hop.. if a rave had afrika bambataa, pm dawn, arrested development, digable planets, tribe called quest, pharcyde,beastie boys..it fits because of the message they are trying to convey to the people.. i think in all reality that gangsta shit is all about ego.. eminem thinks hes so fucking smart but all he knows is his little world..hes not aware of anything else and he probably has no idea the type of people that exist outside of his ghetto ass detroit lifestyle..you would think that for a guy that did so many mind expanding drugs he would at least be slightly sympathetic..and i understand hes joking around but i know plenty of kids who take his shit to heart...and they find this adolescent aggressive gay bashing slut fucking attitude somewhat glamourful..if thats a word..he is raps axl rose..if you think about it.. and just like in the early 90's when sexist homophobic metal was big... people like kurt cobain came out and said "fuck you" and made music good again... its a matter of time and it will happen to hip hop/rap as well... -niiick --part1_dc.89825af.28762078_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68023-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 20:17:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97097 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 20:17:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97086 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 20:17:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705201717.87609.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Rick Presser , "Eckö" , Yasmin Fang , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010705175403.59429.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] hip hop 101 i can tell you what hip hop is all about. its about projecting a feeling that wherever you are in society, whatever "level" you happen to land in, complacency is not enough. the hip hop "vibe" is often described as epic. to me this is the most reassuring music. the performers are telling you, through their words and actions, that as long as you keep struggling toward a goal, it doesnt matter what obstacles stand in your way as long as you keep your head up. there are no classes in hip hop. there is no race. there is only the vibe. it just takes a different perspective than what somebody who is used to going to raves experiences. for me, hip hop is an attitude, not an image, not a song, not any single rapper or group. --- Rick Presser wrote: > Hard to comment on something like this because > there's > obviously a lot more going on than we can see. But > it > looks like your b/f just needs assurances about your > feelings toward him because he's in a place right > now > where he's not sure of possibly many things and > about > himself (could be more than just how you feel > towards > him). Did he lose his job recently? Has he seen you > be > friendly towards other guys? Have things not been > going well for him lately that might affect his > self-esteem? > > Sounds like a shrink eval, I know, but if there's > really no question about your feelings toward him, > there could be other things going on in his life > that > is making him question his confidence in himself and > the feelings toward him from the people he cares > about. > > Just a thought... > > Rick > > --- Eckö wrote: > > What do you do other that that to show him you > love > > him? Words aren't just > > enough, you have to show it in your actions not > just > > your words. > > Nick > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Yasmin Fang" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:54 AM > > Subject: [sfraves] whats the problem with my > > boyfriend?? > > > > > > > i know that this isnt rave related but i am > having > > > some issues in my relationship and i wanted to > see > > > what the list has to say on it. > > > my boyfriend is great and i love him with all my > > heart > > > but he tells me that i do not mean what i say. > but > > i > > > mean everything i say to him i love him with all > > my > > > heart and its making me sad to know that he even > > feels > > > this way. last night he made me cry my eyes out > > cuze > > > he said that i dont mean it when i tell him that > i > > > love him and care about him. i dont know what > the > > deal > > > is. any advice people? > > > thanks > > > yasmin > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! > Mail > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68024-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 20:18:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98642 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 20:18:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98631 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 20:18:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705201851.12716.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: insomnia@ix.netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RE: What's the problem with hiphop? Morgan Foust wrote: >There's been a whole lot of traffic >about Coolworld booking Eminem, Greg >attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, >b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole lot >of other negative things that go along >with hiphop. >We have a word for this kind of thinking: >racism. Erm... how is controversey about eminem being booked at cybertfest racist? Last I checked, he was white. Anyway *I* avoid the rap scene (what it's become these days) for the same reason that back when I was in full-out punk rock mode, I still avoided the skinhead scene. I'm not into the violence, the hate, the divisiveness. I didn't like it then, I don't like it now. I don't want to deal with the "artists" who preach to that scene, I don't want to deal with the members of the scene. And I'm not even making a blanket indictment of the ALL rap, only what it has become RECENTLY. Late '80s / early '90s rap was fun and entertaining. I'm talking Beastie Boys, Run DMC, Young MC, Fresh Prince and the like. THAT, I could listen to and have a good time. What I can't stand is what happened to hiphop in the late '90s, when it turned all thug life and gangster... when it turned into "I poped the pig with 10 caps from my nine and went home to smack up my bitch and hustle some chronic". >It's as if techno and hip-hop were >diametric opposites. It's funny that you put it that way. Because I had pretty concluded that they ARE diametric opposites. Not necessarily the music, but the philosophy, the scene. I had stayed out of this discussion so far, but your mentioning "diametric opposites" made me remember an earlier post by someone asking "how are we observing PLUR if we don't like thugs?" Well, what if PLUR were considered a summary of the rave scene's philosophy? How does the hiphop scene hold up? PEACE: Hm... east coast rap labels and west coast rap labels shooting it out like they were '20s Chicago mafaioso... Do the names 2pack, the notorious big, and shug knight ring a bell? Since we're talking about eminim specificlly... remember his pistol whipping incidents? What about back when he was publiclly talking about how much he wanted to "beat the shit out of" Shawn Fanning? When was the last time US and UK DJs got into a shooting match? LOVE: I invite you to listen to eminem's lyrics; not the sanitized "my name is" crap the MTV and the radio play. But the REST of his lyrics. I DARE you to tell me that the message there has ANYTHING to do with love. It sure sounds like HATEmongering to *me*. UNITY: Eh.. aforementioned wars between rap labels? Personal attacks between rappers in their lyrics. Sure, you can talk about dis-unity in the rave scene... junglists trashing kandy kids for example. But in the end, I've never seen idle talk such as that come to blows, much less gunplay. RESPECT: Again, listen to the lyrics. They regularly go on about how much they hate "fags", how women are nothing more than "bitches" or "hoes", how much they hate "whitey" (even when there are, in fact, white rappers?!?!?) Where is the respect in that scene? So, yeah... *I* would think that the two scenes ARE diametricly opposed. Not necessarily in the sounds of the music, but DEFINATELY in the ideals the scenes strive to live up to. Oh, and the music itslef... *I* just don't like it. I don't like the message it presents. I don't care for some fool screaming into the microphone over the music, talling the world how hardass a thug he is. Rappers are NOT "fighting for their right to party" or "busting a move" anymore. It's slow, depressing, nun-dancable, un-fun, crap about "busting caps in yo ass". I don't like it. I don't like the philosophy, or its adherenents any more than I liked the "nazi punks" that would occasionally bust out of their skinhead scene and infest regular punk and shows that ARE about unity... which is to say, not at all. My personal opinion is that the rave scene has enough of a bad reputation as a haven for drug use. I think that the LAST thing it needs is to invite in all the hatred, violence, homophobia, misogyny, and divisiveness of the rap scene. But hey, that's MY opinion. If you don't agree, *I*'m not going to stop you from going to all the hiphop shows you want. Just don't expect ME to subject MYSELF to that shadeyness. Hell, I hadn't planned on going to cyberfest BEFORE I heard that coolworld was subjecting everyone to eminem. And yes, I'm perfectly aware that this whole post could be read as being a big pile of disrespect towards the hiphop scene. It's one big "death to all fanatics" or "I hate intolerance" paradox. Go figure... I'm not going to try to reconcile it. I think my opinions are fully justified. And while there is a certian baseline respect that everyone deserves, to go above that baseline, IMO you have to EARN the additional respect. I see no way whatsoever that the rap scene has earned that additional respect. I'm just going to continue to seek the good vibes, and avoid the bad vibes and shadeyness. And if that offends you, I'm sorry. peace john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68025-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 20:21:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 615 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 20:21:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 596 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 20:21:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705202121.47614.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:21:21 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Teks To: knowmad AE , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010705195520.15573.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr - furniture I have a nice table for sale: 52x38, 70x38 w/extension, 6 chairs - 200 obo. I also have a full bed for sale: matress (flotation),box spring, and frame - 300 obo. I live in Sunnyvale area and will deliver if necessary to your home. email me for more info :-) Teks --- knowmad AE wrote: > greetings brothers and sisters... i hope you all had > a > beautiful 4th, with the exception of having to deal > with a few flakes, i had a wonderful 4th... i > remembered my friends annual rooftop bbq and > boozefest > at the last second and went out there to watch the > fireworks... > > anyway, i'm attempting some remodeling and painting > of > my new place and am looking for some furniture, i > wasn't having any luck on craigs so i thought i'd > ask > all of you... > > i'm looking for a double/full sized bed (with box > spring), it doesn't need a frame as i'm turning it > into a couch with the help of some big ass pillows > but > it will double as the spare bed... > > i'm also looking for a small kitchen table, maybe > 48"x48" or there abouts with 4 chairs... > > if you have any leads, preferably in the east bay, > please let me know... > > ===== > icq/40221388 > aim/knowmadAE > y!/knowmadAE > "the third I is we and we are one, one in the > same... > the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal > Door..." > In Lak'ech > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68026-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 20:26:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4933 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 20:26:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4922 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 20:26:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: blindspot cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? >a while, as well as more "ravey" things, I think. I also think that >the sooner people get over the fact that EDM has been coopted by big >corporations to sell entertainment and products or the music itself >to youth, the better off they'll be and will be able to move into >more creative and stimulating perceptions beyond the old paradigms. grrrrrr. huh? like new economy yoda you speak. I'd rather not "get over" the fact that something I love has been coopted for cashflow... I think it's bullshit that the entertainment biz (by entertainment biz, I'm talking as much about local promoter hotshot wankers living off of their long-dead UG credibility as I am about greasy-haired hollywood A&R folks) has eaten so many underground movements alive and sold them back to the general populace at premium prices, and I think it's even more ridiculous that we're willing to just get over it and move on - don't we care about our music enough to protect it, rather than wait for it to get eaten by profiteering fuckers? Doesn't it PISS YOU OFF that the economic and social climate in this country makes it acceptable to treat autonomous underground communities like target marketing research pools? yuk. -mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68027-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 20:29:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8153 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 20:29:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8143 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 20:29:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705202929.26037.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:29:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Fraser To: *madhvi * , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <200107051904.MAA30148@mail17.bigmailbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What NOT to do on the 4th of July! oy. at least you got to drive around on such a nice day. I ended up doing nothing. I got up (too) late, had to go to work to check on some automated thing that broke, and by the time I got back, and realized that the sflnc party at the endup had started at -noon- and not six like I thought it had (one of these days, I'll start paying attention) there was no point in braving the traffic into the city to go. I should have just blown off my responsibilities completely and tried to find something, like sunset, which i didn't hear about.... let that be a lesson, people... doug --- *madhvi * wrote: > So, i'd just like to share w/ everyone the debacle > of a day i had yesterday. > > Prologue > > For the last 3 weeks i'd been planning on Sunset for > the 4th. I got several invites for the melon boat > party but turned it down b/c i didn't really feel > like shelling out $35 for 4 hours of jeno and maybe > doc martin. Besides, PSC is a fave group of mine > anyway and the beach sounded great, so it was all > good! > > The Story > > So, i had all these leftover bananas and thought, i > should make cupcakes and give them out to peeps at > sunset as part of our picnic spread. i woke up at > 9am yesterday and made 50 really yummy banana > cupcakes w/ homemade cream cheese frosting. I even > bought red and blue sparkle stuff (edible) a la > festive motif. then i waited...and waited...and > waited for my friend to wake his ass up so we could > get the fuk outta dodge. (i should've realized at > that point it was a foreshadowing of things to come > and just gone w/out him.) we'd agreed on 2:30/3 as > our departure time. 4pm hits and we FINALLY roll > out, w/ 2 unexpected passengers. No biggie, the > more the merrier i say. well, we go over GG Bridge > and go past Muir Woods and are HALFWAY there to > Stinson when grumbles from the backseat erupt about > how we should've gone to the melon boat party. > Excerpt: "Fuck this shit, let's go to the boat > party." Then we pulled over to have a conference > about it. My input was that we didn't h! > ave tix, they were sold out, and we were already on > our way to a fun party w/ blankets, sandwiches, and > cupcakes and I didn't want to pay $35. It was > decided someone would sponsor me and we would go. > It was now 4:45, boat to leave the dock at 6, and > we're already 20 minutes from the GG Bridge (not > counting traffic). > > So despite my misgivings and my plan to go to > Sunset, we turn around due to these unexpected > passengers. I must admit, i could've been more > pushy about sunset, but i didn't want to be the sole > dissenter and be branded a negative thinker, and the > windy road to Bolinas had rendered me not as > forceful as i usually am. but in retrospect, i > should have said fuk all you, i'm going to sunset. > but i get ahead of myself. so we abort sunset > mid-route and go back across the bridge thru tons of > traffic and head to pier 39 (the WORST place to be > on the 4th). We pay $20 to park after being > entrenched in traffic and walk over to the pier. We > proceed to wait about an hour and a half b/c the > boat left an hour behind schedule due to the > soundsystem guys being stuck in traffic and then are > told no more tix. "Please disperse, there are no > more tickets to be had." I started laughing > hysterically b/c what else could i do at that point? > We had just watched a bunch of friends get on the > boat! > and ready to party while we were stuck behind the > rails. It was 7:30 by this point. > > We get back in the car, which we'd paid $20 to park > for our failed mission and promptly get stuck in the > car for 45 minutes while everyone argued about what > they wanted to do next. A very "Me me me me" > situation w/ everyone pissed off. At that point, i > packed myself a bowl and removed myself from any > further decisionmaking. We ended up at Galaxy club > and the only high point (not literally, but u know > what i mean) of my nite was that oliver spun in the > mushroom song, which i love. then i passed out > cupcakes to the door people and anyone else who > wanted one, ate my sandwich, and went home. > > Epilogue > > The reason I've elected to share this w/ all of you > is b/c i was reminded of a childhood story about the > dog who has a bone in his jaws, walks by a pond and > sees a reflection of what he perceives to be another > bone, and drops the bone he has to get the illusory > one; thereby losing all. THAT WAS MY DAY. The > moral(s) of the story is/are: STICK W/ THE ORIGINAL > PLAN except in cases of SNAFU, DON'T get greedy, AND > tell everyone tries to take you off-course to F*** > OFF!!! > > ~THE END~ > > Madhvi > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Everything starts with an E. > http://www.bluelight.nu/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68028-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 20:39:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20794 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 20:39:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20773 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 20:39:16 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:32:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C10556.F50BC480" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Jambolo@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [NRR] Just moved up here . . . ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C10556.F50BC480 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0011_01C10556.F50BC480" ------=_NextPart_001_0011_01C10556.F50BC480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BaxterHi everyone, Just wanted to introduce myself--I'm Carl, and I just moved up from LA (i'm still on SCR btw). I also double as nomadicDJ, and I used to spin undergrounds and stuff in LA and the surrounding desert. I hope to continue that up here, as spinning is my number one passion. N E ways, if anyones interested, check out my site, www.nomadicDJ.com for more info, and to hear my trance/progressive sets. If anyone has some tips on the area (i.e. where to spin, etc . . ) or tips on SFRaves (i.e. is the lingo the same? NRR, ODP, etc . . .), or you'de just like to introduce urself, I'd love to hear from u =) Peace! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) ___________________________ Have you voted this month? ------=_NextPart_001_0011_01C10556.F50BC480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Baxter
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       &nbs= p;       =20 Just wanted to introduce myself--I'm Carl, and I just moved up from LA = (i'm=20 still on SCR btw).  I also double as nomadicDJ, and I used to spin=20 undergrounds and stuff in LA and the surrounding desert.  I hope to = continue that up here, as spinning is my number one passion.  N E = ways, if=20 anyones interested, check out my site, www.nomadicDJ.com for more info, = and to hear=20 my trance/progressive sets.  If anyone has some tips on the area = (i.e.=20 where to spin, etc . . ) or tips on SFRaves (i.e. is the lingo the = same? =20 NRR, ODP, etc . . .), or you'de just like to introduce urself, I'd = love to=20 hear from u =3D)
 
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------=_NextPart_001_0011_01C10556.F50BC480-- ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C10556.F50BC480-- From sfraves-return-68029-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 20:44:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24776 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 20:44:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24766 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 20:44:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.111.184.2] From: "Justin Hale" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 20:43:51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 20:43:51.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[32F9AF00:01C10593] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Secret Society (bsp) Join us each and every Monday night as we meet for some tasty beats and treats! Thanks so much to Patrik, Owen and Damon from POD for hosting last weeks meeting... you guys rawk! Three-way turntable terror at its best! (& don't forget that sampler!) you guys rule and we'll definately have you back. The Secret Society prides itself on bringing new music and talent to your ears each and every week. This is not an all techno night, nor an all house night, not even an all dancemusic night... what we are about is bringing education, quality and satisfaction... dancing is a bonus at SS, but i think, we as music lovers, converge for the music... Mondays aren't the most energetic day of the week, so sometimes, you just want a place where the music is great, the drinks are strong, and the crowd is friendly, and you don't necessarily have to dance.. we've taken to changing the music genre each week at SS, and are mixing it up so you don't know what to expect...and are always pleasantly suprised. Sometimes you may come expecting to hear a certain style from a DJ that you know is playing, but get to hear that DJ explore his or her own personal music selections without the burden of genre labels. so come expecting the unexpected! we don't want to get into the old hum-drum of a weekly, week in, week out, hearing the latest in tired anthems around the bay... We are focused on fusing "old-skool" djs with the likes of "newer" djs, to keep tabs on our history as well as tabs on where we are going. There are tons of genres and sub-genres out there, just as there are many shades of many color crayons out there, but because of this and the ever changing boundries of music, we've decided (for the most part) to include what we consider the basic genres as our foundation nights, and sub-genres, or "newer" genres as special "one-off" monday nights... the Primary colors if you will... **NOTE** any of our guest djs, at any time, might play one, two, or ALL of the genres listed, we ENCOURAGE our guests to step out of thier normal, and try something a lil different. beat matching is a learned skill, anyone, and i mean anyone can learn to do it. but record selection and placement is where the talent comes into play.. so what! if something isn't all that beatmatched, feel the mood, feel the crowd, open your heart and your mind as you play... AND as you listen. We'd like our djs to consider SS the place where they can play those records they love but wouldn't really play out anywhere but their bedrooms. regular SS nights include: House (deep, progressive, funky, tribal, disco, jazzy) Techno (strait forward, cutting edge, minimal) Trance (psy, hard, acid, fufu) Jungle (nu-skool breaks, dnb, electro) special "one-off" types of SS nights include: Hip-Hop/Turntablism/Scratch Battles DUB/Raggae Downtempo Experimental Eclecticness Hardcore NRG So, with all that said, I am very pleased to tell you about our next meeting, coming up on MONDAY, JULY 9, 2001 We are pleased to announce a new resident DJ at Secret Society, AndyW. Andy is our new Techno resident and will be taking care of our Techno nights, Mike and I have limited knowledge when it comes to Techno, so we thought in order to do the nights justice, we needed to get someone who specializes in Techno and supports the society and its beliefs every week, and for those that don't know AndyW, he definately does that. (as well as support and play many other styles of music) ***(and a quik plug, for any of you needing your CDs or mixtapes remastered to perfection, levels pushed, highs crispy, & always bass heavy, then i URGE you to look up AndyW, or get in touch with any of us here at SS. He does an incredible job and knows what he is doing.) This Monday... Chapter XXV - July 9, 2001 SECRET SOCIETY A Reunion of People, A Revival of Culture DEREK SCOTT aka The Rhythmist (Resource Records) J-BOT (Cloud Factory) ANDYW - New SS Techno Resident!! (Resource Records) MICHAEL LIU JUSTIN HALE Visual enhlightenment: Terry @ Viberation Additional sound treatment: Brad @ 305 Sound Beginning at 9pm every Monday night 21+ ID required FREE Located at 3546 Flora Vista Ave in Santa Clara Society voicemail - 408.278.5211 The Secret Society continues in loving memory of its founder Chris "Laffy" Taflanidis lots of love, The SS Crew. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68030-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 20:49:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28598 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 20:49:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28588 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 20:49:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: brandon To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] dj's besides seb fontaine at 1015? not sure if this is the appropriate forum, but thought i'd give it a shot. btw, what other forums are there of the sf/bay-area electronic dance party scene. i would love to find a place to talk about what's happening regarding dancing to electronic music in the bay area, everything from underground all ages to 21+ club stuff. anyway, been to 1015 many times, but this last tuesday was ridiculous. i want to find out what other dj's were spinning besides seb fontaine. specifically the djs that were spinning breakbeat in the front room (were you first walk in), and also the dj's spinning that electro type house upstairs. got there at like 2, so from then on. thanks for your time, would be stoked if anyone had answers or could point to other resources/forums. brandon ps - anyone who was at 1015 on the 3rd, was that wicked or what? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68031-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 20:55:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36062 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 20:55:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36052 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 20:55:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:53:46 -0700 From: IntenSmile In-reply-to: To: brandon , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] dj's besides seb fontaine at 1015? http://www.spundae.com/ Seb Fontaine Grant Plant Chris Fortier David Coleman & Sensei Garth Ellen Ferrato Mark Musselman Jrock Biojeff Gianni -----Original Message----- From: brandon [mailto:bjv@cpsdigital.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:54 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] dj's besides seb fontaine at 1015? not sure if this is the appropriate forum, but thought i'd give it a shot. btw, what other forums are there of the sf/bay-area electronic dance party scene. i would love to find a place to talk about what's happening regarding dancing to electronic music in the bay area, everything from underground all ages to 21+ club stuff. anyway, been to 1015 many times, but this last tuesday was ridiculous. i want to find out what other dj's were spinning besides seb fontaine. specifically the djs that were spinning breakbeat in the front room (were you first walk in), and also the dj's spinning that electro type house upstairs. got there at like 2, so from then on. thanks for your time, would be stoked if anyone had answers or could point to other resources/forums. brandon ps - anyone who was at 1015 on the 3rd, was that wicked or what? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68032-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:10:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44318 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:10:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44305 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:10:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705211002.87352.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: blindspot@mac.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? But why does being open and friendly imply that you're on E? Why is it it assumed that you need E to be open and friendly? I don't. Oh, and *I* think you can take E without being "tarded out". I generally would only describe the puddles quivering in the middle of the floor as "tarded out". Certainly, it can help... especially for naturally introverted people. But I don't think it's necessary. Tho, I'll admit, it's worked wonders for me. Hell, as much as I'd hate to compare myself to a dog, I think there's something Pavlovian there... After trying E at enought parties, just the right music is enough to kick me off (completely sober) into a level of open friendlyness, towards total strangers even, that I used to only get with E (that was BEFORE I started going to parties). It's to the point that at the last few parties I've been to, (completely sober) I've had several people just assume that I MUST be rolling. The only drawback to that, I can see, is when somebody attacks you with their Vics, thinking they're doing you a favor. But just what's wrong with being nice to each other? I find it SUCH a refreshing change... even from the other scene (punk/ska) I hold so close to my heart. So, when I'm saddened by people at parties who close themselfes off behind walls of bad vibes and shadiness, It's not because I think they should be rolling. It's because it saddens me that in such an atmosphere of good vibes, it's such a shame not to be a part of it, sober, rolling, or whatever. cya john blindspot wrote: >Word Lara! >Your point about the openess of tarded out loved-up ravers vs more >closed gangster is a bit interesting. In all frankness, wasn't E >kinda like the link in Raves that was supposed to bridge that gap. >Even if only for a night. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68033-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:27:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60087 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:27:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60067 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:27:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:24:22 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B44DB06.F4C334EA@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ANTMEM_Tonight@Maritime.bsp Anthem - (Thursday July 5th) - IndepenDance Showcase Feel Good Resident Night with DJ's: Ian Lewis, DJ Rossi, Durben, Alain Octavo & Austin Payne VERY Special Guest : Miss Kendra French In the SubLevel @ 375 1st St. @ Harrison St. San Francisco 9pm – 2am. 18+ with valid ID ONLY $5 Before 10pm / $10 After. [ALL 21+ & Blingin' DIVA's get FREE Admission B4 10pm with this e-mail] VIP 21+ FUBAR Hosted By The luscious ladies of Feel Good :)~~ Info: 650-568-1338 Buzz-Line: 650-569-3300 www.globalparty.com A Feel Good Entertainment Event Keep it Real Good With Feel Good --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68034-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:29:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62166 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:29:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62156 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:29:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705212929.84107.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:29:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Yasmin Fang To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010705165440.17493.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] whats the problem with my boyfriend?? thanks everyone for responding to me i didn't want to bring you guys down. but i love him very much and i made a book for us to write in that way if i was mad or happy he would know how i felt. i put some stubs from a movie that we went to and some horoscopes on us. i do things to let him know that i love him and everyones advice was good. i see that maybe he is insecure but i think everyone is a little. maybe he has had girlfriends in the past that have treated him badly. he told me that he hasn't felt like this for anyone before and that i make him feel great. i love spending time with my boyfriend and i hope that things so work out for us. i dont want to bag him because he really is a great guy. but thanks for the advice everyone much love xoxoxox yasmin --- Yasmin Fang wrote: > i know that this isnt rave related but i am having > some issues in my relationship and i wanted to see > what the list has to say on it. > my boyfriend is great and i love him with all my > heart > but he tells me that i do not mean what i say. but i > mean everything i say to him i love him with all my > heart and its making me sad to know that he even > feels > this way. last night he made me cry my eyes out cuze > he said that i dont mean it when i tell him that i > love him and care about him. i dont know what the > deal > is. any advice people? > thanks > yasmin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68035-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:31:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64909 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:31:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64897 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:31:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:31:11 -0700 Message-Id: <200107052131.OAA00385@mail25.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.20.226.66] From: "Goa Graver" To: blindspot@mac.com, svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? Actually its fun to hang with friends that are rolling and "ride" thier vibe. It is fun , free and you dont get cracked out. But yes, the vicks is not welcome. Am I alone or am I the only person that cant deal with vap-o-rub? It is weird and burns my eyes. >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:10:02 -0700 (PDT) > "John B." blindspot@mac.comCc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? >But why does being open and friendly imply that you're on E? Why is it it >assumed that you need E to be open and friendly? I don't. > >Oh, and *I* think you can take E without being "tarded out". I generally would >only describe the puddles quivering in the middle of the floor as "tarded out". > >Certainly, it can help... especially for naturally introverted people. But I >don't think it's necessary. Tho, I'll admit, it's worked wonders for me. > >Hell, as much as I'd hate to compare myself to a dog, I think there's something >Pavlovian there... After trying E at enought parties, just the right music is >enough to kick me off (completely sober) into a level of open friendlyness, >towards total strangers even, that I used to only get with E (that was BEFORE I >started going to parties). It's to the point that at the last few parties I've >been to, (completely sober) I've had several people just assume that I MUST be >rolling. The only drawback to that, I can see, is when somebody attacks you >with their Vics, thinking they're doing you a favor. > >But just what's wrong with being nice to each other? I find it SUCH a >refreshing change... even from the other scene (punk/ska) I hold so close to my >heart. > >So, when I'm saddened by people at parties who close themselfes off behind >walls of bad vibes and shadiness, It's not because I think they should be >rolling. It's because it saddens me that in such an atmosphere of good vibes, >it's such a shame not to be a part of it, sober, rolling, or whatever. > > >cya >john > > >blindspot wrote: > >>Word Lara! > >>Your point about the openess of tarded out loved-up ravers vs more >>closed gangster is a bit interesting. In all frankness, wasn't E >>kinda like the link in Raves that was supposed to bridge that gap. >>Even if only for a night. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed is here in my arms.... Words are very unnecessary, they can only do harm." Depeche Mode, Enjoy the Silence ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68036-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:34:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67445 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:34:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67434 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:34:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:31:56 -0700 To: Mike Migurski From: blindspot Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? Yes actually it does piss me off. But it's the nature of the beast we call capitalism and everything that comes from it. But it's happened sooooo many times. The ug is a paradox because like aything else it has a lifecycle: it's born, it lives, then dies; yet it seems like it's always alive. Think about what you did before you did raves. You may have been involved in some other underground activity, or you may have discovered the ug with raves. Either way it had to be born in you at some point, and at some point before/beside you, it itself was born. The rave is just what we call this manifestation of entertainment/lifestyle we have built in this lifetime. Something even more special will come along just like raves were the most special thing to happen for you when they did. A better music, a better drug, a better activity; the pioneers with good intentions will find it and use it properly, it will grow in popularity, with growth the specialness of a connected scene dilutes becomes less special. Sooner or later a "scene' gains power and influence and recognition that's when the machine gets wind of it. The machine only sees markets. The machine is nasty. It needs to feed and it's a pretty indiscriminate eater. It wants your cash and your attention span so it can suck more cash from you. Since, it's sad to say, many are not up to the task of dismantling the machine (A fact, since if they were it would be dead, but it's not), we end up being content to avoid it in the meantime. And the best way to avoid it is to keep quiet, and special, and base all efforts on the purest of good human intentions; to create a reality/zone/underground apart from it. ... I think I could probably stretch this back around to hip hop and gangstas. Other kinds of underground communities, like ethnic enclaves of new immigrants and minorities, are one of the factors that lead to gangsterism. In lieu of a government that is competently able to help out immigrants and minorities who can easily feel that the deck is stacked against them, such groups have historically taken care of their own, we then get underground economies and ug power structures to manage those economies. Media and Instutions call these gangs, mafia, whatever the word you wanna use. The fact is that it's a form of power. Power is always recognized by those who have more of it. The media and government and big business have a lot of it. The gangsterism element in hip hop proceeds from the (for some) empowering notion that an individual can exist and even flourish within power systems that exist outside and/or parallel of official governments and businesses. In the creative endeavor of music specifically it is a completely valid notion that projections of gangsterism run the gamut from simply being made up-to exaggeration and embelishment-to real life turf wars. In some cases it's hard to see where the art imitates life and the life imitates art. Hip hop has the severity of the real to it, that raves simply lack. It also has recognition of the power to control. Raves hold the promise of fulfilling ideals of beauty whatever they may be for both for an individual and a group. Raves have the recognition of letting go (of control). Hip hop-realistic Raves -idealistic I, like most people, like healthy doses of both reality and idealism. Too much of one or the other leads to imbalance in the spirit. Hence Gangstas vs. Candy Kids and everybody whose got to chime in and say they either hate one or the other. It's not the people they hate though, it's the exteremes of what they symbolize. It's easier to see those extremes than it is to see those hazy undefined areas in the middle. At 1:25 PM -0700 7/5/01, Mike Migurski wrote: > >a while, as well as more "ravey" things, I think. I also think that >>the sooner people get over the fact that EDM has been coopted by big >>corporations to sell entertainment and products or the music itself > >to youth, the better off they'll be and will be able to move into >>more creative and stimulating perceptions beyond the old paradigms. > >grrrrrr. > >huh? > >like new economy yoda you speak. > >I'd rather not "get over" the fact that something I love has been coopted >for cashflow... I think it's bullshit that the entertainment biz (by >entertainment biz, I'm talking as much about local promoter hotshot >wankers living off of their long-dead UG credibility as I am about >greasy-haired hollywood A&R folks) has eaten so many underground movements >alive and sold them back to the general populace at premium prices, and I >think it's even more ridiculous that we're willing to just get over it and >move on - don't we care about our music enough to protect it, rather than >wait for it to get eaten by profiteering fuckers? Doesn't it PISS YOU OFF >that the economic and social climate in this country makes it acceptable >to treat autonomous underground communities like target marketing research >pools? > >yuk. > >-mike. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68037-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:39:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70338 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:39:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70328 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:39:09 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Sfraves" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:34:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1055F.896AE2C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Jambolo@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1055F.896AE2C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001A_01C1055F.896AE2C0" ------=_NextPart_001_001A_01C1055F.896AE2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BaxterHi everyone, My Stanton 500AL-II's have finally crapped out, and I'm on the market to get new, better ones. I've been researching them online, and it's just so hard to choose! I've been looking at Ortofon's, but just like EVERY needle manufacturer, they say their needle is the ultimate skip-free needle for DJ use. So, I decided to and ask all of you, if you're DJ's, to write back and say what needle you use and why. Then we can all judge for ourselves what needle is best based on the number one test; real world abuse! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) ___________________________ Have you voted this month? ------=_NextPart_001_001A_01C1055F.896AE2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Baxter
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       &nbs= p;       My=20 Stanton 500AL-II's have finally crapped out, and I'm on the market to = get new,=20 better ones.  I've been researching them online, and it's just so = hard to=20 choose!  I've been looking at Ortofon's, but just like EVERY needle = manufacturer, they say their needle is the ultimate skip-free = needle for DJ=20 use.
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------=_NextPart_001_001A_01C1055F.896AE2C0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1055F.896AE2C0-- From sfraves-return-68038-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:39:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71827 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:39:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71817 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:39:46 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010705211002.87352.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010705211002.87352.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:38:33 -0700 To: "John B." From: blindspot Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? I'm like you. I've figured out the natural pavlovian way to get my seratonin to release itself without the aid of expensive, questionable substances. At least i'd like to think so :) . But I think the E helped me out. And I wouldn't do it any differently if I could. "But just what's wrong with being nice to each other?" That my friend is the priceless question we were supposed to have answered in the last century. Maybe the quedstion of a lifetime. Maybe we'll do better in this century. >But why does being open and friendly imply that you're on E? Why is it it >assumed that you need E to be open and friendly? I don't. > >Oh, and *I* think you can take E without being "tarded out". I >generally would >only describe the puddles quivering in the middle of the floor as >"tarded out". > >Certainly, it can help... especially for naturally introverted people. But I >don't think it's necessary. Tho, I'll admit, it's worked wonders for me. > >Hell, as much as I'd hate to compare myself to a dog, I think >there's something >Pavlovian there... After trying E at enought parties, just the right music is >enough to kick me off (completely sober) into a level of open friendlyness, >towards total strangers even, that I used to only get with E (that >was BEFORE I >started going to parties). It's to the point that at the last few >parties I've >been to, (completely sober) I've had several people just assume that I MUST be >rolling. The only drawback to that, I can see, is when somebody attacks you >with their Vics, thinking they're doing you a favor. > >But just what's wrong with being nice to each other? I find it SUCH a >refreshing change... even from the other scene (punk/ska) I hold so >close to my >heart. > >So, when I'm saddened by people at parties who close themselfes off behind >walls of bad vibes and shadiness, It's not because I think they should be >rolling. It's because it saddens me that in such an atmosphere of good vibes, >it's such a shame not to be a part of it, sober, rolling, or whatever. > > >cya >john > > >blindspot wrote: > >>Word Lara! > >>Your point about the openess of tarded out loved-up ravers vs more >>closed gangster is a bit interesting. In all frankness, wasn't E >>kinda like the link in Raves that was supposed to bridge that gap. >>Even if only for a night. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68039-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:47:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76307 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:47:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76297 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:47:38 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Goa Graver" , , Cc: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:42:31 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200107052131.OAA00385@mail25.bigmailbox.com> X-Apparently-From: Jambolo@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? that stuff totally burns your eyes! I was at this one rave, [sober like always] and someone out of the blue rubbed it all over my face, and then slapped on a mask that was saturated in it. Man, I couldn't see, and i was like suffocating! What's worse, tho, is glowstick material. One time someone had one burst on them, and they thought it would be a good idea to paint my face with it. Ow that stung! Oh well, i guess the moral of the story is; it's the thought that counts, and they definitely meant well. Thanks guys, whoever you were!! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) PS next time, stick to the light shows--those are definitely appreciated and non-toxic =) -----Original Message----- From: Goa Graver [mailto:zakmane23@goatrance.com] Sent: 05 July 2001 02:31 To: blindspot@mac.com; svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? Importance: Low Actually its fun to hang with friends that are rolling and "ride" thier vibe. It is fun , free and you dont get cracked out. But yes, the vicks is not welcome. Am I alone or am I the only person that cant deal with vap-o-rub? It is weird and burns my eyes. >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:10:02 -0700 (PDT) > "John B." blindspot@mac.comCc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? >But why does being open and friendly imply that you're on E? Why is it it >assumed that you need E to be open and friendly? I don't. > >Oh, and *I* think you can take E without being "tarded out". I generally would >only describe the puddles quivering in the middle of the floor as "tarded out". > >Certainly, it can help... especially for naturally introverted people. But I >don't think it's necessary. Tho, I'll admit, it's worked wonders for me. > >Hell, as much as I'd hate to compare myself to a dog, I think there's something >Pavlovian there... After trying E at enought parties, just the right music is >enough to kick me off (completely sober) into a level of open friendlyness, >towards total strangers even, that I used to only get with E (that was BEFORE I >started going to parties). It's to the point that at the last few parties I've >been to, (completely sober) I've had several people just assume that I MUST be >rolling. The only drawback to that, I can see, is when somebody attacks you >with their Vics, thinking they're doing you a favor. > >But just what's wrong with being nice to each other? I find it SUCH a >refreshing change... even from the other scene (punk/ska) I hold so close to my >heart. > >So, when I'm saddened by people at parties who close themselfes off behind >walls of bad vibes and shadiness, It's not because I think they should be >rolling. It's because it saddens me that in such an atmosphere of good vibes, >it's such a shame not to be a part of it, sober, rolling, or whatever. > > >cya >john > > >blindspot wrote: > >>Word Lara! > >>Your point about the openess of tarded out loved-up ravers vs more >>closed gangster is a bit interesting. In all frankness, wasn't E >>kinda like the link in Raves that was supposed to bridge that gap. >>Even if only for a night. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed is here in my arms.... Words are very unnecessary, they can only do harm." Depeche Mode, Enjoy the Silence ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68040-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:49:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82475 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:49:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82436 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:49:54 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c1059c$4dee1450$59b3b018@CC229840a> From: "Funkybaby Productions" To: "sfraves" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:49:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C10561.A17831E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Full Moon Party ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C10561.A17831E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Everyone Funky Baby Productions would like to invite you to the next Full Moon = Party!!! Featuring: Ariel Cybana - Spin Knowledge/Dubcoast Music SF Razor FM - Denver CO Rigatony - Sagitarian Prod. SAC Dan Yoas - A-Frame SAC Kelly Williams - Funkybaby SAC Belfast Bill - Funkybaby IRELAND Join us this Saturday August 7h for a historic evening under the full = moon with warm friends and lots of love. 916-506-4600 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C10561.A17831E0-- From sfraves-return-68041-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:51:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85053 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:51:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85042 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:51:05 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.163.70.161] From: "// genome //" To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:50:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 21:50:36.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[85F9C420:01C1059C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle BaxterO R T O F O N fuck everything else. get the "Ortofon DJs". Stantons blow, in my opinion. It also depends what youre spinning, if youre doing a lot of rigorous back-cuing or not... Either way the "DJs" will do well. // genome // Groundscore // subVersive Designs // http://groundscore.net // http://eklektic.net // http://subversivedesigns.com/genome // genome@subversivedesigns.com // icq/ 49565515 // aim/ genome2k ----- Original Message ----- From: nomadicDJ To: Sfraves Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle Hi everyone, My Stanton 500AL-II's have finally crapped out, and I'm on the market to get new, better ones. I've been researching them online, and it's just so hard to choose! I've been looking at Ortofon's, but just like EVERY needle manufacturer, they say their needle is the ultimate skip-free needle for DJ use. So, I decided to and ask all of you, if you're DJ's, to write back and say what needle you use and why. Then we can all judge for ourselves what needle is best based on the number one test; real world abuse! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) ___________________________ Have you voted this month? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68042-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:53:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87026 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:53:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87012 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:53:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705215335.28548.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:53:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] kicked that bus drive'in ass! nrr :)sshhhh hey, buttercup, guess what i just did? i wanted to catch a bus, but the bus driver lady didn't want to stop for me, but she saw me as she went by....i look very cute today in my italian stretch jeans and my black italian leather jacket purchased by ME in Firenze...i also painted my wide mouth a nice deep shade of purple/pink, so when she checked me out in her rear view mirror after she passed me, i mouthed "FUCK YOU" quite clearly. i know she saw me. :) have a nice day. i love you, asshole. you know who you are. oh, also, i think we should do an sfraves clothing exchange sometime. when, i don't know, but i do that at various times with various people, and it works out really good. :)peace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68043-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 21:54:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88517 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 21:54:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88507 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 21:54:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705215442.86509.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: blindspot Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? i like your take on things...i agree with much of what you said except for one point. i still think hip hop is idealistic. how could an art form be anything but idealistic? it is part of the human condition to always desire what is unattainable. to call something "realistic" is to simply buy into the trap of labeling. what is realistic to a hip hopper may be totally off the wall to somebody who does not even listen to music. take my grandpa for example. his hearing is almost totally gone. he cannot even converse through words anymore but it has become unnecessary because in his old age he is content to partake of the cup of life without his hearing. he can see what people are doing, he can read their lips, he can walk and breathe and give hugs to his grandchildren. in his mind, a "realist" is somebody who does the best he can with the gifts God has given him. maybe im just reading too much into your use of the word realist. i understand, im a hip hopper too. i'll love it till the day i die, im just to the point where music played by other people isnt a reliable drug unless i take an interest in it. --- blindspot wrote: > Yes actually it does piss me off. But it's the > nature of the beast we > call capitalism and everything that comes from it. > But it's happened > sooooo many times. The ug is a paradox because like > aything else it > has a lifecycle: it's born, it lives, then dies; yet > it seems like > it's always alive. Think about what you did before > you did raves. You > may have been involved in some other underground > activity, or you may > have discovered the ug with raves. Either way it had > to be born in > you at some point, and at some point before/beside > you, it itself was > born. > > The rave is just what we call this manifestation of > entertainment/lifestyle we have built in this > lifetime. Something > even more special will come along just like raves > were the most > special thing to happen for you when they did. A > better music, a > better drug, a better activity; the pioneers with > good intentions > will find it and use it properly, it will grow in > popularity, with > growth the specialness of a connected scene dilutes > becomes less > special. Sooner or later a "scene' gains power and > influence and > recognition that's when the machine gets wind of it. > The machine only > sees markets. The machine is nasty. It needs to feed > and it's a > pretty indiscriminate eater. It wants your cash and > your attention > span so it can suck more cash from you. > > Since, it's sad to say, many are not up to the task > of dismantling > the machine (A fact, since if they were it would be > dead, but it's > not), we end up being content to avoid it in the > meantime. And the > best way to avoid it is to keep quiet, and special, > and base all > efforts on the purest of good human intentions; to > create a > reality/zone/underground apart from it. > > ... > > I think I could probably stretch this back around to > hip hop and gangstas. > > Other kinds of underground communities, like ethnic > enclaves of new > immigrants and minorities, are one of the factors > that lead to > gangsterism. In lieu of a government that is > competently able to help > out immigrants and minorities who can easily feel > that the deck is > stacked against them, such groups have historically > taken care of > their own, we then get underground economies and ug > power structures > to manage those economies. Media and Instutions call > these gangs, > mafia, whatever the word you wanna use. The fact is > that it's a form > of power. Power is always recognized by those who > have more of it. > The media and government and big business have a lot > of it. > > The gangsterism element in hip hop proceeds from the > (for some) > empowering notion that an individual can exist and > even flourish > within power systems that exist outside and/or > parallel of official > governments and businesses. In the creative endeavor > of music > specifically it is a completely valid notion that > projections of > gangsterism run the gamut from simply being made > up-to exaggeration > and embelishment-to real life turf wars. In some > cases it's hard to > see where the art imitates life and the life > imitates art. > > Hip hop has the severity of the real to it, that > raves simply lack. > It also has recognition of the power to control. > Raves hold the promise of fulfilling ideals of > beauty whatever they > may be for both for an individual and a group. Raves > have the > recognition of letting go (of control). > > Hip hop-realistic > Raves -idealistic > > I, like most people, like healthy doses of both > reality and idealism. > Too much of one or the other leads to imbalance in > the spirit. Hence > Gangstas vs. Candy Kids and everybody whose got to > chime in and say > they either hate one or the other. It's not the > people they hate > though, it's the exteremes of what they symbolize. > It's easier to see > those extremes than it is to see those hazy > undefined areas in the > middle. > > > > > At 1:25 PM -0700 7/5/01, Mike Migurski wrote: > > >a while, as well as more "ravey" things, I > think. I also think that > >>the sooner people get over the fact that EDM has > been coopted by big > >>corporations to sell entertainment and products or > the music itself > > >to youth, the better off they'll be and will be > able to move into > >>more creative and stimulating perceptions beyond > the old paradigms. > > > >grrrrrr. > > > >huh? > > > >like new economy yoda you speak. > > > >I'd rather not "get over" the fact that something I > love has been coopted > >for cashflow... I think it's bullshit that the > entertainment biz (by > >entertainment biz, I'm talking as much about local > promoter hotshot > >wankers living off of their long-dead UG > credibility as I am about > >greasy-haired hollywood A&R folks) has eaten so > many underground movements > >alive and sold them back to the general populace at > premium prices, and I > >think it's even more ridiculous that we're willing > to just get over it and > >move on - don't we care about our music enough to > protect it, rather than > >wait for it to get eaten by profiteering fuckers? > Doesn't it PISS YOU OFF > >that the economic and social climate in this > country makes it acceptable > >to treat autonomous underground communities like > target marketing research > >pools? > > > >yuk. > > > >-mike. > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > michal migurski > mike@cloudfactory.org > > tel:415.385.1993 > AIM:migurski > > http://www.viberation.com/mike > ICQ:47513232 > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > We're lying in the gutter, but we're > looking at the stars. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > -blindspot > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo > for Free! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68044-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:02:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96882 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:02:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96872 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:01:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705220156.53517.qmail@web9808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:01:56 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: "John B." , blindspot@mac.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010705211002.87352.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? being open and friendly is fine...but being on ecstasy causes you to make assumptions about other people before you can get to know them...like "everybody loves me" or "everybody wants to fuck me" --- "John B." wrote: > But why does being open and friendly imply that > you're on E? Why is it it > assumed that you need E to be open and friendly? I > don't. > > Oh, and *I* think you can take E without being > "tarded out". I generally would > only describe the puddles quivering in the middle of > the floor as "tarded out". > > Certainly, it can help... especially for naturally > introverted people. But I > don't think it's necessary. Tho, I'll admit, it's > worked wonders for me. > > Hell, as much as I'd hate to compare myself to a > dog, I think there's something > Pavlovian there... After trying E at enought > parties, just the right music is > enough to kick me off (completely sober) into a > level of open friendlyness, > towards total strangers even, that I used to only > get with E (that was BEFORE I > started going to parties). It's to the point that > at the last few parties I've > been to, (completely sober) I've had several people > just assume that I MUST be > rolling. The only drawback to that, I can see, is > when somebody attacks you > with their Vics, thinking they're doing you a favor. > > But just what's wrong with being nice to each other? > I find it SUCH a > refreshing change... even from the other scene > (punk/ska) I hold so close to my > heart. > > So, when I'm saddened by people at parties who close > themselfes off behind > walls of bad vibes and shadiness, It's not because I > think they should be > rolling. It's because it saddens me that in such an > atmosphere of good vibes, > it's such a shame not to be a part of it, sober, > rolling, or whatever. > > > cya > john > > > blindspot wrote: > > >Word Lara! > > >Your point about the openess of tarded out loved-up > ravers vs more > >closed gangster is a bit interesting. In all > frankness, wasn't E > >kinda like the link in Raves that was supposed to > bridge that gap. > >Even if only for a night. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68045-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:03:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1157 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:03:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1147 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:03:52 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "// genome //" , Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:58:41 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Apparently-From: Jambolo@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle What about the Ortofon niteclubs? is there much difference between them and the Ortofon DJ's? Anyone? Anyone? .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) -----Original Message----- From: // genome // [mailto:genome3k@hotmail.com] Sent: 05 July 2001 02:51 To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.ORG Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle Importance: Low BaxterO R T O F O N fuck everything else. get the "Ortofon DJs". Stantons blow, in my opinion. It also depends what youre spinning, if youre doing a lot of rigorous back-cuing or not... Either way the "DJs" will do well. // genome // Groundscore // subVersive Designs // http://groundscore.net // http://eklektic.net // http://subversivedesigns.com/genome // genome@subversivedesigns.com // icq/ 49565515 // aim/ genome2k ----- Original Message ----- From: nomadicDJ To: Sfraves Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle Hi everyone, My Stanton 500AL-II's have finally crapped out, and I'm on the market to get new, better ones. I've been researching them online, and it's just so hard to choose! I've been looking at Ortofon's, but just like EVERY needle manufacturer, they say their needle is the ultimate skip-free needle for DJ use. So, I decided to and ask all of you, if you're DJ's, to write back and say what needle you use and why. Then we can all judge for ourselves what needle is best based on the number one test; real world abuse! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) ___________________________ Have you voted this month? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68046-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:11:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11555 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:11:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11541 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:11:41 -0000 X-Server-Uuid: 26fe3e76-19dd-11d3-be09-0008c7b1f151 Message-ID: From: "Robb, Roman (rrmr)" To: "'dank smoker'" , "John B." , blindspot@mac.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:11:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 175A3A774503-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? I feel thats it's all depending on the person. if a person is open and giving without taking any drugs, then thats just the way they are. Some people become open or more open when they are on e, but it doesn't mean they are expecting things from you. You can both be on the same vibe and feeling the same feelings together. It's the drug, music, vibe, and atmosphere that brought you closer. Some people behave differently on e and think they're the absolut shit. Those are the ametuers of e or who just arn't aware enough of the reality thats going on while their on their "everybody loves me" high. Enjoy that high while you can, because when you come down, your gonna crash hard. roman aka four20 -----Original Message----- From: dank smoker [mailto:dj_dopamine151@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:02 PM To: John B.; blindspot@mac.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? being open and friendly is fine...but being on ecstasy causes you to make assumptions about other people before you can get to know them...like "everybody loves me" or "everybody wants to fuck me" --- "John B." wrote: > But why does being open and friendly imply that > you're on E? Why is it it > assumed that you need E to be open and friendly? I > don't. > > Oh, and *I* think you can take E without being > "tarded out". I generally would > only describe the puddles quivering in the middle of > the floor as "tarded out". > > Certainly, it can help... especially for naturally > introverted people. But I > don't think it's necessary. Tho, I'll admit, it's > worked wonders for me. > > Hell, as much as I'd hate to compare myself to a > dog, I think there's something > Pavlovian there... After trying E at enought > parties, just the right music is > enough to kick me off (completely sober) into a > level of open friendlyness, > towards total strangers even, that I used to only > get with E (that was BEFORE I > started going to parties). It's to the point that > at the last few parties I've > been to, (completely sober) I've had several people > just assume that I MUST be > rolling. The only drawback to that, I can see, is > when somebody attacks you > with their Vics, thinking they're doing you a favor. > > But just what's wrong with being nice to each other? > I find it SUCH a > refreshing change... even from the other scene > (punk/ska) I hold so close to my > heart. > > So, when I'm saddened by people at parties who close > themselfes off behind > walls of bad vibes and shadiness, It's not because I > think they should be > rolling. It's because it saddens me that in such an > atmosphere of good vibes, > it's such a shame not to be a part of it, sober, > rolling, or whatever. > > > cya > john > > > blindspot wrote: > > >Word Lara! > > >Your point about the openess of tarded out loved-up > ravers vs more > >closed gangster is a bit interesting. In all > frankness, wasn't E > >kinda like the link in Raves that was supposed to > bridge that gap. > >Even if only for a night. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68047-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:12:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13183 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:12:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13170 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:12:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.214.121.3] From: "Solmatic Records" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:12:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 22:12:12.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A3E9260:01C1059F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New Monthly @ Decibel ! 1st saturday of the month we get TASTY ! On july 7th we are kicking off our official opening night with free choclate covered stawberries and Champagne!! Your Tastemakers for the evening... David Garcia - Recycle/Solmatic Joey Mazzola - Recycle/Solmatic Ron Reeser - Clockwork Events Jay Walker - Solmatic Records Special Guest Dj Armann The Brainchild - 10 til 4 am 21+ located at Club Db at 3rd and Market ! For more info call 415-547-1405 ! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68048-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:13:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14503 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:13:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14493 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:13:00 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.163.70.161] From: "// genome //" To: "nomadicDJ" , References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:12:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 22:12:31.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[95F3B400:01C1059F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle The biggest difference I believe is in weight, the nightclubs arent made to take as much abuse as the DJs, the DJs will handle better for back-cuing and RARELY skips... Genome ----- Original Message ----- From: "nomadicDJ" To: "// genome //" ; Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: RE: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle What about the Ortofon niteclubs? is there much difference between them and the Ortofon DJ's? Anyone? Anyone? .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) -----Original Message----- From: // genome // [mailto:genome3k@hotmail.com] Sent: 05 July 2001 02:51 To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.ORG Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle Importance: Low BaxterO R T O F O N fuck everything else. get the "Ortofon DJs". Stantons blow, in my opinion. It also depends what youre spinning, if youre doing a lot of rigorous back-cuing or not... Either way the "DJs" will do well. // genome // Groundscore // subVersive Designs // http://groundscore.net // http://eklektic.net // http://subversivedesigns.com/genome // genome@subversivedesigns.com // icq/ 49565515 // aim/ genome2k ----- Original Message ----- From: nomadicDJ To: Sfraves Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle Hi everyone, My Stanton 500AL-II's have finally crapped out, and I'm on the market to get new, better ones. I've been researching them online, and it's just so hard to choose! I've been looking at Ortofon's, but just like EVERY needle manufacturer, they say their needle is the ultimate skip-free needle for DJ use. So, I decided to and ask all of you, if you're DJ's, to write back and say what needle you use and why. Then we can all judge for ourselves what needle is best based on the number one test; real world abuse! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) ___________________________ Have you voted this month? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68049-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:14:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16584 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:14:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16574 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:14:00 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Klobas, Joshua" To: 'dank smoker' , "John B." , blindspot@mac.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:12:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1059F.84B13730" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1059F.84B13730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One cannot generalize the effects of complicated compounds and state that: If you take "X" (no pun intended) then this will happen. These chemicals aren't like mathematical functions- there can be many results for the same value in this equation. What you stated may be an observation from your experiences, but I need to warn you to stay away from such blanket statements, as they are the ones that generate media interest. The public only knows of the "feel-good" effects of MDMA, not any of the other results (to refer to the effects of a psychedelic as a result seems proper, as no psychedelic can create concrete "effects"- given that normally some feelings predominantly occur, not all do. People: Stop viewing drugs (don't want to delve into the "linguistic differences" between drugs and psychedelics) as toys with a single function. You'll have much more productive sessions if you recognize these substances for the multi-faceted tools they are- the good along with the bad. Josh -----Original Message----- From: dank smoker [mailto:dj_dopamine151@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July, 05, 2001 3:02 PM To: John B.; blindspot@mac.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? being open and friendly is fine...but being on ecstasy causes you to make assumptions about other people before you can get to know them...like "everybody loves me" or "everybody wants to fuck me" --- "John B." wrote: > But why does being open and friendly imply that > you're on E? Why is it it > assumed that you need E to be open and friendly? I > don't. > > Oh, and *I* think you can take E without being > "tarded out". I generally would > only describe the puddles quivering in the middle of > the floor as "tarded out". > > Certainly, it can help... especially for naturally > introverted people. But I > don't think it's necessary. Tho, I'll admit, it's > worked wonders for me. > > Hell, as much as I'd hate to compare myself to a > dog, I think there's something > Pavlovian there... After trying E at enought > parties, just the right music is > enough to kick me off (completely sober) into a > level of open friendlyness, > towards total strangers even, that I used to only > get with E (that was BEFORE I > started going to parties). It's to the point that > at the last few parties I've > been to, (completely sober) I've had several people > just assume that I MUST be > rolling. The only drawback to that, I can see, is > when somebody attacks you > with their Vics, thinking they're doing you a favor. > > But just what's wrong with being nice to each other? > I find it SUCH a > refreshing change... even from the other scene > (punk/ska) I hold so close to my > heart. > > So, when I'm saddened by people at parties who close > themselfes off behind > walls of bad vibes and shadiness, It's not because I > think they should be > rolling. It's because it saddens me that in such an > atmosphere of good vibes, > it's such a shame not to be a part of it, sober, > rolling, or whatever. > > > cya > john > > > blindspot wrote: > > >Word Lara! > > >Your point about the openess of tarded out loved-up > ravers vs more > >closed gangster is a bit interesting. In all > frankness, wasn't E > >kinda like the link in Raves that was supposed to > bridge that gap. > >Even if only for a night. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1059F.84B13730-- From sfraves-return-68050-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:15:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18649 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:15:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18638 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:15:38 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:15:26 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Installing a Video Card We don't need no steenkin' "For Dummies" books. http://www.datadocktorn.nu/kortbyte.php --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68051-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:22:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25275 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:22:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25265 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:22:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705222227.10966.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilez Krazimann To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] what's the problem with yo mama? nothing much...sorry to hear about yours... hello from a former sfraver. 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(you'd think I'd be ashamed of myself, wouldn't you?) gilezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :-) ps, hello sfraves, I love you all, okay, bye bye now. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68052-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:37:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37928 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:37:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37918 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:37:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010705223659.52318.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:36:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Uncle Noah To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle the Stanton Groovemaster carts with the eliptical needles are the best setup you could possibly get. if you don't believe it, hook up two decks, one with the Groovemaster and one with any Ortofon and each playing the same rekkid to a oscilliscope and just watch. you simply can't argue with cold hard facts. the Groovemasters are louder, have a better frequency response, hold the groove better, etc. etc. etc. than *any* Ortofon cart. also, Stanton magnetics has excellent service and support, if you should ever need it. they've been in the business of making magnetic phnograph carts and needles for years and years. they know their stuff. the ortofons look neet and the general populace think they're really cool... but the general populace also thinks Wheel of Fortune is quality entertainment and that they can win the lotto if they just buy enough tickets. also, ask any dj who says that Stanton carts suck and ask them why. they'll say "because Stanton sucks" and that's about it. is that really a solid reason to choose one product over another? come on! your carts & needles are the second most important thing you've got as a DJ (second only to your rekkids). every DJ i know who's really used the Groovemasters agrees that they're the better way to go. --- // genome // wrote: > The biggest difference I believe is in weight, the > nightclubs arent made to > take as much abuse as the DJs, the DJs will handle > better for back-cuing and > RARELY skips... > > Genome > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nomadicDJ" > To: "// genome //" ; > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:58 PM > Subject: RE: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle > > > > What about the Ortofon niteclubs? is there much > difference between them and > the Ortofon DJ's? Anyone? Anyone? > > .:nomadic:. > (www.nomadicDJ.com) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: // genome // [mailto:genome3k@hotmail.com] > Sent: 05 July 2001 02:51 > To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.ORG > Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle > Importance: Low > > > BaxterO R T O F O N > > fuck everything else. get the "Ortofon DJs". > Stantons blow, in my opinion. > > It also depends what youre spinning, if youre doing > a lot of rigorous > back-cuing or not... Either way the "DJs" will do > well. > > // genome > // Groundscore // subVersive Designs > // http://groundscore.net // http://eklektic.net > // http://subversivedesigns.com/genome > // genome@subversivedesigns.com > // icq/ 49565515 > // aim/ genome2k > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: nomadicDJ > To: Sfraves > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:34 PM > Subject: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle > > > Hi everyone, > My Stanton 500AL-II's have finally > crapped out, and I'm on > the market to get new, better ones. I've been > researching them online, and > it's just so hard to choose! I've been looking at > Ortofon's, but just like > EVERY needle manufacturer, they say their needle is > the ultimate skip-free > needle for DJ use. > So, I decided to and ask all of you, if you're > DJ's, to write back and > say what needle you use and why. Then we can all > judge for ourselves what > needle is best based on the number one test; real > world abuse! > .:nomadic:. > (www.nomadicDJ.com) > ___________________________ > Have you voted this month? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== _________________________________________ http://www.mp3.com/G_T_A Yahoo! messenger: unclenoah AIM: DJUnclNoah _________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68053-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:49:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52945 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:49:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52934 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:49:25 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010705215442.86509.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010705215442.86509.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:47:09 -0700 To: dank smoker From: blindspot Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? You are right...of course the hip hop art form is idealistic. I guess I was just thinking of Hip hop in the context of the imagery it seems to call to mind most often; e.g. "keeping it real", "dropping knowledge", "from the street", the overwhelming emphasis on the booty, "being on the downlow", there's probably a million more. Plus the idea of a narrator at all. A voice. An embodiment of realness and corporeality. So much of rave music seems to leave more to the imagination. I guess it was just for the sake of argument. For some reason all I can think of when I try to think of Hip Hop and idealism is De La Soul's "3ft High and Rising" and the daisy age they would talk about. Man, what a beautiful cool time that was. I've heard this song a million times but it give me happy goosebumps to read it. Artist: De La Soul Album: 3 Feet High and Rising Song: The Magic Number POS: 3 That's the Magic Number Yes it is It's the magic number Somewhere in this hip-hop soul community Was born 3 Mase, Dove and me And that's the magic number (What does it all mean?) Difficult preaching is Posdnuos' pleasure Pleasure and preaching starts in the heart Something that stimulates the music in my measure Measure in my music, raised in three parts Casually see but don't do like the Soul 'Cause seein' and doin' are actions for monkeys Doin' hip hop hustle, no rock and roll Unless your name's Brewster, 'cause Brewsters are funky Parents let go 'cause there's magic in the air Criticising rap shows you're out of order Stop look and listen to the phrase Fred Astaires And don't get offended while Mase do-se-do's your daughter A tri-camera rolls since our music's now set Fly rhymes are stored on a D.A.I.S.Y. production It stands for "Da Inner Sound Y'all" and y'all can bet That the action's not a trick, but showing the function Everybody wants to be a deejay Everybody wants to be an emcee But being speakers are the best and you don't have to guess De La Soul posse consists of three And that's the magic number DOVE: This here piece of the pie Is not desser but the course that we dine And three out of every darn time The effect is "Mmmm" when a daisy grows in your mind Showing true position, this here piece is Kissin' the part of the pie that's missin' When that negative number fills up the cavity Maybe you can subtract it You can call it your lucky partner Maybe you can call it your adjective But odd as it may be Without my 1 and 2 where would there be My 3 Mase Pos and Me And that's the Magic Number Focus is formed by flaunts to the soul Souls who flaunt styles gain praises by pounds Common are speakers who are never scrolls Scrolls written daily creates a new sound Listeners listen 'cause this here is wisdom Wisdom of a Speaker, a Dove and a Plug Set aside a legal substance to feed 'em For now get 'em high off this dialect drug Time is a factor so it's time that counts Count not the negative actions of one Speakers of soul say it's time to shout Three forms the soul to a positive sum Dance to this fix and flex every muscle Space can be filled if you rise like my lumber Advance to the tune but don't do the hustle Shake, rattle, roll to my Magic Number Now you may try to subtract it But it just won't go away Three times one? (What is it?) (One, two, three!) And that's a Magic Number (Yo, what's up?) (1, 2, 3) (I say, children, what does it all mean?) (Woah-woah-wo, 1, 2, 3) (I wouldn't lie to you) (No more no less, that's a magic number) (No more no less) (What it is?) (No more no less) (Do the shang-a-lang) (No more no less) (Anybody in the audience ever get hit by a car?) (No more no less) (How high's the water, mama?) (No more no less) (How high's the water, mama?) (No more no less) (Three feet high and rising) (No more no less) (Three) (That's a magic number) At 2:54 PM -0700 7/5/01, dank smoker wrote: >i like your take on things...i agree with much of what >you said except for one point. i still think hip hop >is idealistic. how could an art form be anything but >idealistic? it is part of the human condition to >always desire what is unattainable. to call something >"realistic" is to simply buy into the trap of >labeling. what is realistic to a hip hopper may be >totally off the wall to somebody who does not even >listen to music. take my grandpa for example. his >hearing is almost totally gone. he cannot even >converse through words anymore but it has become >unnecessary because in his old age he is content to >partake of the cup of life without his hearing. he can >see what people are doing, he can read their lips, he >can walk and breathe and give hugs to his >grandchildren. in his mind, a "realist" is somebody >who does the best he can with the gifts God has given >him. maybe im just reading too much into your use of >the word realist. i understand, im a hip hopper too. >i'll love it till the day i die, im just to the point >where music played by other people isnt a reliable >drug unless i take an interest in it. >--- blindspot wrote: >> Yes actually it does piss me off. But it's the >> nature of the beast we >> call capitalism and everything that comes from it. >> But it's happened >> sooooo many times. The ug is a paradox because like >> aything else it >> has a lifecycle: it's born, it lives, then dies; yet >> it seems like >> it's always alive. Think about what you did before >> you did raves. You >> may have been involved in some other underground >> activity, or you may >> have discovered the ug with raves. Either way it had >> to be born in >> you at some point, and at some point before/beside >> you, it itself was >> born. >> >> The rave is just what we call this manifestation of >> entertainment/lifestyle we have built in this >> lifetime. Something >> even more special will come along just like raves >> were the most >> special thing to happen for you when they did. A >> better music, a >> better drug, a better activity; the pioneers with >> good intentions >> will find it and use it properly, it will grow in >> popularity, with >> growth the specialness of a connected scene dilutes >> becomes less >> special. Sooner or later a "scene' gains power and >> influence and >> recognition that's when the machine gets wind of it. >> The machine only >> sees markets. The machine is nasty. It needs to feed >> and it's a >> pretty indiscriminate eater. It wants your cash and >> your attention >> span so it can suck more cash from you. >> >> Since, it's sad to say, many are not up to the task >> of dismantling >> the machine (A fact, since if they were it would be >> dead, but it's >> not), we end up being content to avoid it in the >> meantime. And the >> best way to avoid it is to keep quiet, and special, >> and base all >> efforts on the purest of good human intentions; to >> create a >> reality/zone/underground apart from it. >> >> ... >> >> I think I could probably stretch this back around to >> hip hop and gangstas. >> >> Other kinds of underground communities, like ethnic >> enclaves of new >> immigrants and minorities, are one of the factors >> that lead to >> gangsterism. In lieu of a government that is >> competently able to help >> out immigrants and minorities who can easily feel >> that the deck is >> stacked against them, such groups have historically >> taken care of >> their own, we then get underground economies and ug >> power structures >> to manage those economies. Media and Instutions call >> these gangs, >> mafia, whatever the word you wanna use. The fact is >> that it's a form >> of power. Power is always recognized by those who >> have more of it. >> The media and government and big business have a lot >> of it. >> >> The gangsterism element in hip hop proceeds from the >> (for some) >> empowering notion that an individual can exist and >> even flourish >> within power systems that exist outside and/or >> parallel of official >> governments and businesses. In the creative endeavor >> of music >> specifically it is a completely valid notion that >> projections of >> gangsterism run the gamut from simply being made >> up-to exaggeration >> and embelishment-to real life turf wars. In some > > cases it's hard to >> see where the art imitates life and the life >> imitates art. >> >> Hip hop has the severity of the real to it, that >> raves simply lack. >> It also has recognition of the power to control. >> Raves hold the promise of fulfilling ideals of >> beauty whatever they >> may be for both for an individual and a group. Raves >> have the >> recognition of letting go (of control). >> >> Hip hop-realistic >> Raves -idealistic >> >> I, like most people, like healthy doses of both >> reality and idealism. >> Too much of one or the other leads to imbalance in >> the spirit. Hence >> Gangstas vs. Candy Kids and everybody whose got to >> chime in and say >> they either hate one or the other. It's not the >> people they hate >> though, it's the exteremes of what they symbolize. >> It's easier to see >> those extremes than it is to see those hazy >> undefined areas in the >> middle. >> >> >> >> >> At 1:25 PM -0700 7/5/01, Mike Migurski wrote: >> > >a while, as well as more "ravey" things, I >> think. I also think that >> >>the sooner people get over the fact that EDM has >> been coopted by big >> >>corporations to sell entertainment and products or >> the music itself >> > >to youth, the better off they'll be and will be >> able to move into >> >>more creative and stimulating perceptions beyond >> the old paradigms. >> > >> >grrrrrr. >> > >> >huh? >> > >> >like new economy yoda you speak. >> > >> >I'd rather not "get over" the fact that something I >> love has been coopted >> >for cashflow... I think it's bullshit that the >> entertainment biz (by >> >entertainment biz, I'm talking as much about local >> promoter hotshot >> >wankers living off of their long-dead UG >> credibility as I am about >> >greasy-haired hollywood A&R folks) has eaten so >> many underground movements >> >alive and sold them back to the general populace at >> premium prices, and I >> >think it's even more ridiculous that we're willing >> to just get over it and >> >move on - don't we care about our music enough to >> protect it, rather than >> >wait for it to get eaten by profiteering fuckers? >> Doesn't it PISS YOU OFF >> >that the economic and social climate in this >> country makes it acceptable >> >to treat autonomous underground communities like >> target marketing research >> >pools? >> > >> >yuk. >> > >> >-mike. >> > >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > michal migurski >> mike@cloudfactory.org >> > tel:415.385.1993 >> AIM:migurski >> > http://www.viberation.com/mike >> ICQ:47513232 >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > We're lying in the gutter, but we're >> looking at the stars. >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> -- >> -blindspot >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo >> for Free! >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68054-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:57:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58825 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:57:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58814 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:57:07 -0000 Message-ID: <027001c105a5$8d017430$6cd0f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "dank smoker" , "John B." , Cc: References: <20010705220156.53517.qmail@web9808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:55:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? dank smoker wrote: > being open and friendly is fine...but being on ecstasy > causes you to make assumptions about other people > before you can get to know them...like "everybody > loves me" or "everybody wants to fuck me" That's bullshit. MDMA doesn't cause any assumptions to be made. If someone made such assumptions on MDMA, I'd have to conclude that he had some issues before he ever took E. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68055-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 22:57:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60984 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 22:57:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60970 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 22:57:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [161.215.27.111] From: "Anthony F" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:57:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 22:57:17.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6B54070:01C105A5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SRR: Little Brother Gets Busted Hey guys, Watch this cute little filmstrip: http://rtmark.com/busted It gives you some really interesting statistics about the 'War on Drugs,' and totally makes me not want to buy anything from Microsoft, Nike or Victoria's Secret again. Anthony _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68056-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 23:17:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74979 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 23:17:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74968 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 23:17:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:17:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 23:17:16.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1B19920:01C105A8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? >If candy ravers hit up the next UG hip hop gig, or even the next huge >commercial hip hop tour, do you think THEY would be >accepted? heehee... Well atleast there's no hip-hop e-list that is even debating on why ravers shouldn't be allowed to attend HH shows. I guess if a raver were to go to a HH show, they shouldn't be accompanied by the Sesame St. Gang either. Those are the only ravers that anyone really picks on. Just be yourself and don't portray a fantasy world. You are an earthling dammit. Imagination is cool but I think there is a time and place for everything and a hip-hop function is not it....yet. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68057-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 23:22:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80666 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 23:22:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80649 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 23:22:26 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.17.168.162] From: "< mannix>" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:21:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 23:21:57.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[48D44F90:01C105A9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Live dj sets right now! house / jungle / dark tribal http://www.masscommradio.com ADVANCED D&D with Damian & Dabu Thursdays 4-10pm(edt) on MassCommRadio 07/05/01 Today's dj lineup: Damian: jump up jungle Earthrock: house Mannix: tribal/progressive house Dabu: uk hardhouse send im's to masscomm2000 on aol _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68058-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 23:28:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84535 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 23:28:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84524 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 23:28:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:28:36 -0700 From: e y e p h u n k To: e y e p h u n k Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jMjnP4qgEixEeOzcwg+1oQ)" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] e y e p h u n k weekly update --Boundary_(ID_jMjnP4qgEixEeOzcwg+1oQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable E Y E P H U N K NEWS =AD July 05/ 2001 >> TOMORROW >> FRIDAY 06 JULY >> Eyephunk HQ opens it=B9s doors to everyone who wants to buy vinyl and CD=B9s fo= r cheap! 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I'll always be behind you kenneth. I know it's hard to throw parties to make a crowd of ravers happy, and I know you are and will do the best you can. I know that my friends are behind you all the way too. take care, luv ya lots! *hugz* ~Tami --- Kenneth Bice wrote: > Okay so this comes a little bit late but better than > never > i supose, well after a lot of work and a lot of lost > sleep, > a few grey hairs and misc other things... i would > like > > To thank all the dj's who spun, and who did not spin > at 33 By 120. > To thank all the folks that worked at this party. > To thank everyone who promoted for this party. > To thank the sound and lighting for this party. > To thank all the attendees of this party. > To thank everyone for being sober and having > respect. > > To all the kind hearts that took part in this party > and made it happen, i would like to give thanks to > you because without your help none of what happened > could have been possible. > > thank you to everyone for all your help and support. > > laterz > > kenneth > > > ===== Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* ~~Tami :-) (408) 821-6012 ___________________________________________________________ Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68060-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 23:32:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87873 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 23:32:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87861 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 23:32:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.163.70.161] From: "// genome //" To: "Uncle Noah" , References: <20010705223659.52318.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:32:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 23:32:23.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE3AFA80:01C105AA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle I dont know about all that, my first needles were Stanton Groovemasters and I cant stand them, when I bought my Ortofon DJ's the difference was amazing, they were way better, tracked better, they were louder and I never skip a record, ever, unlike the Groovemasters. But like I said it can offen come down to what kind of music youre spinning, I spin drum+bass, which I beleive is pressed louder and a little more distorted than your average house or trance, and there is a lot more back-cuing involved. This has been my experience... Genome ----- Original Message ----- From: "Uncle Noah" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle the Stanton Groovemaster carts with the eliptical needles are the best setup you could possibly get. if you don't believe it, hook up two decks, one with the Groovemaster and one with any Ortofon and each playing the same rekkid to a oscilliscope and just watch. you simply can't argue with cold hard facts. the Groovemasters are louder, have a better frequency response, hold the groove better, etc. etc. etc. than *any* Ortofon cart. also, Stanton magnetics has excellent service and support, if you should ever need it. they've been in the business of making magnetic phnograph carts and needles for years and years. they know their stuff. the ortofons look neet and the general populace think they're really cool... but the general populace also thinks Wheel of Fortune is quality entertainment and that they can win the lotto if they just buy enough tickets. also, ask any dj who says that Stanton carts suck and ask them why. they'll say "because Stanton sucks" and that's about it. is that really a solid reason to choose one product over another? come on! your carts & needles are the second most important thing you've got as a DJ (second only to your rekkids). every DJ i know who's really used the Groovemasters agrees that they're the better way to go. --- // genome // wrote: > The biggest difference I believe is in weight, the > nightclubs arent made to > take as much abuse as the DJs, the DJs will handle > better for back-cuing and > RARELY skips... > > Genome > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nomadicDJ" > To: "// genome //" ; > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:58 PM > Subject: RE: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle > > > > What about the Ortofon niteclubs? is there much > difference between them and > the Ortofon DJ's? Anyone? Anyone? > > .:nomadic:. > (www.nomadicDJ.com) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: // genome // [mailto:genome3k@hotmail.com] > Sent: 05 July 2001 02:51 > To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.ORG > Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle > Importance: Low > > > BaxterO R T O F O N > > fuck everything else. get the "Ortofon DJs". > Stantons blow, in my opinion. > > It also depends what youre spinning, if youre doing > a lot of rigorous > back-cuing or not... Either way the "DJs" will do > well. > > // genome > // Groundscore // subVersive Designs > // http://groundscore.net // http://eklektic.net > // http://subversivedesigns.com/genome > // genome@subversivedesigns.com > // icq/ 49565515 > // aim/ genome2k > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: nomadicDJ > To: Sfraves > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:34 PM > Subject: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle > > > Hi everyone, > My Stanton 500AL-II's have finally > crapped out, and I'm on > the market to get new, better ones. I've been > researching them online, and > it's just so hard to choose! I've been looking at > Ortofon's, but just like > EVERY needle manufacturer, they say their needle is > the ultimate skip-free > needle for DJ use. > So, I decided to and ask all of you, if you're > DJ's, to write back and > say what needle you use and why. Then we can all > judge for ourselves what > needle is best based on the number one test; real > world abuse! > .:nomadic:. > (www.nomadicDJ.com) > ___________________________ > Have you voted this month? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== _________________________________________ http://www.mp3.com/G_T_A Yahoo! messenger: unclenoah AIM: DJUnclNoah _________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68061-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 23:35:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92476 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 23:35:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92466 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 23:35:52 -0000 From: "Chris Wiegman" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:30:05 -0700 Message-ID: <006801c105aa$7e0c0260$3e03de9e@chrisw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1056F.D1AD2A60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] FREE- Official Invasion After-Party -FREE ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1056F.D1AD2A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The long awaited "Official After-Party for Invasion" put on by Liquid Mercury-SF Once again Versatile Entertainment Sacramento brings this monthly Free Party to the scene. SKB Sunday July 8th, 2001 inside Scratch 8 @ 120 I Street in Old Sacramento!! 5:00 PM - 2:00 AM 18 and over/ 21+ FUBAR! **Directions at bottom** Lineup all free: Madame Mercury (Liquid Mercury, Journees- SF) Malicious Mike (Xquizit Records- Tampa, FL) Kid Hype (Liquid Mercury- SF) Spyhunter- (Liquid Mercury- Hawaii) vs. Koris- (Liquid Mercury, Subvision- Switzerland) Jimmy Zimms- Versatile Ent., Naughty Vibez vs. PL-X- Black Locust Tao- Black Locust Rif- Naughty Vibez, In The Mix Rustique- Got Scratch? Jay Drix- Versatile Ent. vs. Pat "Butta"- Versatile Ent. Cantos- Schedule 1 Vega- Bombay Dont forget the $8 Pitchers, BBQ Ribs, Pool Tables, Dart Boards and more!!!! 5:00 PM - 2:00 AM 18 and over/ 21+ FUBAR! Info Line: 916.720.4500 Donations will be accepted for the DJs from out of the Area. SKB Sunday July 8th, 2001 inside Scratch 8 @ 120 I Street in Old Sacramento!! >From ALL Points San Francisco: Take I-80 East Towards Sacramento/ Lake Tahoe (about 80miles) Take the I-5 Exit towards Redding Exit J. Street Go down 1 block and take your first Left. Take your first left at the end of that block onto I. Street Follow I. Street into Old Sacramento. Look for the Scratch Signs on your Right. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1056F.D1AD2A60-- From sfraves-return-68062-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 23:46:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96674 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 23:46:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96660 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 23:46:43 -0000 Message-ID: <0CAEB80752CBD4119C4E002048641357354D78@ddg60ubd01.paul-hamilton.navy.mil> From: "Tapelt, Nate A. GSM2" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:45:34 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] stop newsletter I'm asking to be taken off the newsletter, My computer is getting backed up. If this isnt' the right e-mail address that's sending me all these e-mails, then could you tell me who is and what is the company name. Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68063-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 23:52:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99086 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 23:52:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99076 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 23:52:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:50:40 -0700 From: IntenSmile In-reply-to: <0CAEB80752CBD4119C4E002048641357354D78@ddg60ubd01.paul-hamilton.navy.mil> To: "Tapelt, Nate A. GSM2" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] stop newsletter Ok now, do you see the script at the bottom of EVERY email you are getting?? READ IT! Thanks :) -----Original Message----- From: Tapelt, Nate A. GSM2 [mailto:tapeltna@paul-hamilton.navy.mil] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:46 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] stop newsletter I'm asking to be taken off the newsletter, My computer is getting backed up. If this isnt' the right e-mail address that's sending me all these e-mails, then could you tell me who is and what is the company name. Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68064-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 05 23:54:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 805 invoked by uid 1104); 5 Jul 2001 23:54:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 795 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 23:54:26 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.199] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:52:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C10572.EC4E4E50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 23:53:57.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1707BA0:01C105AD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP :: MADAME MERCURY // DJ SPYHUNTER (hawaii) // DJ KORIS (Switzerland) - tonight in Berkeley! $5 ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C10572.EC4E4E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Liquid Mercury invades Ascension tonight with special guest dj's from = Switzerland and Hawaii! MP3.com's top selling electronica artist, DJ = Spyhunter will be bringing you the trance/breaks all the way from the = shores of Hawaii. DJ Koris has jumped a few large puddles to join us = this evening with his record case full of the latest trance from europe. = This is a first time appearence in a while and not to be missed in this = intimate setting! Madame Mercury will seduce you with her own style of = breakbeats and turntablism while she battles local DJ Spinner. This is a = foursome spinning together that happens once in a blue moon, well full = moon in this case! If you're dying to get out of the house and beat the = heat do it with cool drink specials and an airconditioned environment. Ascension - 7.05.01 Dj's: Koris (Switzerland, subvision records) DJ Spyhunter (Hawaii, subvision records) - www.djspyhunter.com Madam Mercury tagteam w/ DJ Spinner (liquid Mercury and Mad Wax) - = www.liquidmercury.com 9pm - 2am $7 - 18+ $5 - 21+ 3 Bars + full menu of bad ass food! =20 Blakes=20 2367 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley, CA Located between Channing and Durant on Telegraph Ave Call the infoline for drink specials... infoline: 510.873.7730 web: www.acmeparty.com ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C10572.EC4E4E50-- From sfraves-return-68065-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 00:12:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9169 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 00:12:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9151 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 00:12:34 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4506F7.AC70C52F@sirius.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:31:51 -0700 From: "mr.brown" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: subkonscious X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------790F65398BDCE720E4E7FD6F" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] the bridge and beyond --------------790F65398BDCE720E4E7FD6F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Exact-Science, EXO and TeNofQUAD Present: Motion: An Exploration of Urban Movement and Sound A performance by SF's finest underground dancers in which they will explore the major forms and influences of urban dance: hip-hop, house, breakdancing, junglism, capoeira, kung fu, and the abstract. EXO and friends will provide the musical landscape for the dancers to explore: electronic and organic drums, guitar, upright bass, samplers, DJs, congas, beatboxers and more. Bear witness to the art of freestyle movement, as the dancers interpret the sounds provided for them, on the fly. Music before and after the show provided by DJs: H.O.P. (hip hop) - ikons Bre-Ad (breaks) - exact-science Coop D'Ville (house) - elephunk Presha (drum N bass) - compound Visuals by 3feetofftheground and Protoscape Friday July 6th @ Cellspace (2050 Bryant @ 18th) Doors at 9pm. Show starts 10:30 sharp. All ages, $10. questions? andrew@exact-science.com checkit: www.exact-science.com www.quadmag.com ************************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************************ Mr.Brown and The Future Primitive Sound Back to Back to bring THE BRIDGE JULY 7th An All Day and Night Jam at Mission Rock Bridging all forms of breakbeat and soundsystem culture _________________________________ IN THE DAY 3pm-8pm on the deck in the sun Reggae Selectors: Z Trip (in a reggae stylee) Romanowski (rocksteady) Wisdom (dancehall, roots) Original Breaks/ Rare Groove With Groove Merchant and Cool Tempo DJs: Vinnie Esparza Tom Thump Taka Top Bill + An all star dominoes tournament + Barbecue and Sangrias specials all day $10 all day Doors open @ 3pm going till 8pm. 21UP _________________________________ NIGHT TIME 8pm-4am Three rooms of S.F. Beat Culture..... going late night and into the morning ROOM 1: THE BIG ROOM Z Trip (Bomb Shelter,Arizona) DJ Assault (intuit solar, detroit) The Angel (L.A.) Doc Fu Anna ROOM 3: DUB/ ROOTS/ REGGAE DANCE HALL The Dubphonik Sound System Jahyzer and Coop D'Ville meets Stellar Trax Soundsystem w/ DJ Collage ROOM 3: HOSTED BY RED WINE AND THE HERB CAEN MEMORIAL MARTINI SOCIETY With SF local superstars: Toph One Ted Shred Consuelo 3pm-4am Nightime admission begins At 8:oopm $15 dollars before 10:30pm $20 after . $5 for those with proof of admission from the daytime MISSION ROCK 817 CHINA BASIN (MARIPOSA BY 3RD) on the water, in the sun, with sangria in hand, upstairs, down, inside out, 3 soundsystems with the whole unified bay area beat culture getting funky, skunky. ************************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************************ *Community Calender* July 6th Motion Dance at Cellspace July 7th future primitve, mr.brown bring the bridge Mission Rock July 12th mic fiends at yerba buena July 13th Mr.Brown joins the true skool crew to bring you TRE from the PHARCYDE ************************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************************ if you wish to be removed from this list respond "remove" in the subject. --------------790F65398BDCE720E4E7FD6F-- From sfraves-return-68066-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 00:27:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14527 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 00:27:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14509 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 00:27:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706002658.72451.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] GENKI 2 pictures:) Here are the pictures from genki2. Drop on by: http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net Thanks to everyone for their support and patience... Xtort: http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net Xtort Database: 916.565.6677 Xtort Contact: xtortproductions@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68067-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 00:47:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22069 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 00:47:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22049 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 00:47:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706004730.71795.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:47:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: thedfdoc@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? DF doc wrote: >Well atleast there's no hip-hop e-list that >is even debating on why ravers shouldn't be >allowed to attend HH shows. How do you know there isn't? I don't follow rap meaasge boards myself, so I don't know one way or the other. But how do you know there WOULDN'T be? Hiphop is the one invading traditionally electronic events, not vice versa. But what if it was going the other way? What if instead of Coolworld booking eminem for Cyberfest, the organizers of the "Up in Smoke" tour had decided to book Anabolic Frolic as the headliner? I'd bet good money that, if that were to happen (yeah right), whatever hiphop message boards there are out there would be FILLED with people bitching about all the lovey-dovey types invading their scene, and how they had no business being there. I'd bet good money that whatever ravers decided to show up would receive a *MUCH* more unfriendly welcome than the thugs that will, no doubt, be at Cyberfest. As for the rest of your suggestion, that ravers could survive at a rap show, if only they hide their nature and leave the kandy kids behind... ... I apologise in advance for geeking out so. But those of you who read slashdot, you know there is a tradition when such a specious claim is made of rebutting the point be simply doing a word replacement... I guess if a thug were to go to a rave, they shouldn't be accompanied by the Boyz in the Hood Gang either. Those are the only gangsters that anyone really picks on. Just be yourself and don't portray a distopian world. You are an earthling dammit. Shadiness is cool but I think there is a time and place for everything and a rave is not it....yet. cya john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68068-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 00:51:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24102 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 00:51:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24092 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 00:51:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706005113.6271.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: "John B." , thedfdoc@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010706004730.71795.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? you guys should check out a massive in LA sometime if you get the chance. people wander freely among electronic music rooms and hip hop rooms. sure theres been fights in the past, but as time goes on people are figuring out how to get along. --- "John B." wrote: > DF doc wrote: > > >Well atleast there's no hip-hop e-list that > >is even debating on why ravers shouldn't be > >allowed to attend HH shows. > > How do you know there isn't? I don't follow rap > meaasge boards myself, so I > don't know one way or the other. But how do you > know there WOULDN'T be? > > Hiphop is the one invading traditionally electronic > events, not vice versa. > But what if it was going the other way? What if > instead of Coolworld booking > eminem for Cyberfest, the organizers of the "Up in > Smoke" tour had decided to > book Anabolic Frolic as the headliner? > > I'd bet good money that, if that were to happen > (yeah right), whatever hiphop > message boards there are out there would be FILLED > with people bitching about > all the lovey-dovey types invading their scene, and > how they had no business > being there. I'd bet good money that whatever > ravers decided to show up would > receive a *MUCH* more unfriendly welcome than the > thugs that will, no doubt, be > at Cyberfest. > > As for the rest of your suggestion, that ravers > could survive at a rap show, if > only they hide their nature and leave the kandy kids > behind... > > ... I apologise in advance for geeking out so. But > those of you who read > slashdot, you know there is a tradition when such a > specious claim is made of > rebutting the point be simply doing a word > replacement... > > I guess if a thug were to go to a rave, they > shouldn't be accompanied by the > Boyz in the Hood Gang either. Those are the only > gangsters that anyone really > picks on. Just be yourself and don't portray a > distopian world. You are an > earthling dammit. Shadiness is cool but I think > there is a time and place for > everything and a rave is not it....yet. > > > cya > john > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68069-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 01:15:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40175 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 01:15:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40165 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 01:15:33 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:09:15 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Thu) 1987-1993 Perfect kids run off to college right when they graduate from high school and know exactly what they want to do in life shortly thereafter. And of course, you're going to choose the field with the most money, regardless of whether or not you could ever actually be happy doing that or not. Me? I was a pizza guy for a while. Then I went to college, but took a long time doing so. I had a lot of fun in those days. I was on the Golden Gate Bridge for the 50th Anniversary in 1987. I went to one of the first Earth Day celebrations in 1990. It was during that time that I went to my first rave. October 1991 was the actual date of my first rave, and it was called "A Rave Called Sharon". You see, back in my day, raves were attended by and thrown by people who dressed in black and listened to Live105. Maybe it's just me, but things have changed. Live105 definitely is not what it used to be; almost none of them dress in black (unverified) and the music has changed. And they got that Howard Stern guy there, too. That guy's a freak. Hey, I like freaks! I actually was a little leary of going to raves for about a year after my first one, but then I decided that a little dancing was perhaps just what I needed in my life. I was trying to rummage through my archives to find a possible list of parties I've been to, but I don't know where to begin to look, and who cares anyway? I've been to a lot of parties, especially concentrated around 1993-1994. Some of the parties I went to around that time were: The Gathering Basics Wicked (and derivatives of those) I mean, hey, those folks were the only ones I knew about. I used to be one of those kids that found out about the full moon party from someone who knew someone who knew someone who was part of the phone tree. Then when I talked to one of the people who used to help the crew, I found out they may have just been driving randomly and finding a place to party that night. That's why sometimes we wouldn't get to dance until 4am. But those full moon parties were totally worth my time, even when they got busted. Part of it was the experience of driving many many miles to get to one. It was during one of these long drives that the name Deepfog was born. Summer of 1993 at an outdoor party in Sacramento. It's all about the music! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68070-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 01:33:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46534 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 01:33:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46524 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 01:33:06 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 01:32:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 01:32:37.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[89B83AA0:01C105BB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? >How do you know there isn't? I don't follow rap meaasge boards myself, so >I >don't know one way or the other. But how do you know there WOULDN'T be? > For one thing, it's a waste of time to them. Different mentality, not all political and shit. Honestly I don't know. All I know is that I have more friends that listen to hip-hop than electronica music but they accept that I listen to electronica. Never once have I heard any of them flip out on ravers, cept on the gear associated w/them. Yeah they make jokes but I always correct them when they are just being close minded to the music. >Hiphop is the one invading traditionally electronic events, not vice versa. >But what if it was going the other way? What if instead......, the >organizers of the "Up in Smoke" tour had decided to >book Anabolic Frolic as the headliner? >I'd bet good money that, if that were to happen (yeah right), whatever >hiphop >message boards there are out there would be FILLED with people bitching >about >all the lovey-dovey types invading their scene, and how they had no >business >being there. HipHoppers wouldn't know who Anabolic Frolic were. If they did, I have a feeling it would be more like talking smack, shits and giggles at the expense of ravers, not being as serious as this list is on the issue. If I recall correctly, "Up In Smoke" brought out very well known "Rave" dj's so I gaurantee there WERE tons of ravers out there. I heard no bs whatsoever i.e. Hiphoppers against Ravers. I bet everyone got along just fine. >I'd bet good money that whatever ravers decided to show up would >receive a *MUCH* more unfriendly welcome than the thugs that will, no >doubt, be >at Cyberfest. I'll do a word replacement on you: "I'd bet good money that whatever thugs decided to show up (at a ug rave) would receive *MUCH* more unfriendly welcome than the ravers that will, no doubt, be at that function. >As for the rest of your suggestion, that ravers could survive at a rap >show, if >only they hide their nature and leave the kandy kids behind... > >... I apologise in advance for geeking out so. But those of you who read >slashdot, you know there is a tradition when such a specious claim is made >of >rebutting the point be simply doing a word replacement... > >I guess if a thug were to go to a rave, they shouldn't be accompanied by >the >Boyz in the Hood Gang either. Those are the only gangsters that anyone >really >picks on. Just be yourself and don't portray a distopian world. You are >an >earthling dammit. Shadiness is cool but I think there is a time and place >for >everything and a rave is not it....yet. > > >cya >john I gotta say, that was a good slash on my argument but If I continue on it we will just go in circles. You have your opinions, and I have mine but I hope some of you candy kids know where I'm coming. I know you guys have jobs and are not candied out until a rave comes along + you know your gonna score e, and that's where a MAJORITY of your lovey duvy stuff comes from anyways unless your w/good friends. Ultimately, I just want to let some of you know that you are just being prejudiced. If anything, you should hate a person only when you know them or about them otherwise don't pick on a whole culture of people. Same goes to all the hiphoppers. Jose- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68071-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 01:40:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49920 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 01:40:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49910 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 01:40:48 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.210.58] From: "Joey Trance" To: "SF Raves" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:45:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 01:40:19.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D1341C0:01C105BC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (BSP) Coolworld Presents... CYBERFEST 2001!!! and its at 3Com Parkgrounds... If your replying. do to wearecoolworld@aol.com . Sorry I would have sent it from there, but i dont have aol at my house... =O - Joey Trance GREETINGS PLEASE READ AN FORWARD TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS... ITS COMING ALMOST HERE!! Saturday August 11th, 2001 Americas premiere dance & music festival COOLWORLD CYBERFEST 2001 MASSIVE SUMMER FESTIVAL SERIES 8th year celebration San Francisco, California 3Com Parkgrounds This years festival will take place in beautiful San Francisco at the 3Com Parkgrounds with acres of room to enjoy! We plan to transform this massive site into a fun-filled dance theme-park featuring 5 musical atmospheres, an open air concert stage, a raging fun fair w/ wild rides, extreme sports, vendor faire, a cyber circus, over 100 of the Worlds greatest DJs and live acts So bring blankets, friends & plenty of good vibes as you join 40,000 of your closest friends for the most anticipated dance festival of the summer! Planet Earth Citizens are you ready Saturday August 11th, 2001 Location: spectacular outdoor location A Massive outdoor concert stage 7 entertainment areas 4 themed dance tents A cyber-circus A raging fun-fair w/ rides Over 100 World Greatest DJ's & live acts Infinite Universe: No musical limits/ Open air stage & live acts Live in concert: EMINEMS NEW SUPER GROUP D12 This will be an exclusive West Coast appearance! CRYSTAL METHOD (Live) Kevens Galaxy Girl Madison Ave. Uberzone Planet B Nizam Gateway: House, progressive, anthems DJ Dan Charles Feelgood Jesse Saunders Donald Glaude Kevin Kind Cajmere Jason Blakemore Reza DJ Bizz DJ Huey DJ Torque Joey Mazzola David Garcia Bass Dimension: Jungle/DnB/Hip-Hop/Turntablists Bad Company Wish FM Shy FX with MC Skibadee Diesel Boy AK-1200 Sage & UFO Dufunk with MC Duh Raymond Roker & MC ? Kaos & Method One Siren Johnny Law Havoc w/ the Intalekt MCs DJ Eternal Sanctuary: Trance/Techno Christopher Lawrence Skribble Keoki John Kelly Scott Hardkiss Thomas Michael St. John Liquid Dyloot Tom Slik Greg Sandler Gianni Thomas Trouble & DJ D DJ Dollar Cali Zone: Simon Apex Ron Reeser Bukweechio & Bicolas Jesse Gonzalez Jaxx the Ripper DJ Shark vs Attack DJ Rick V Alias Joey Trance Madame Mercury Prophet Kid Carson Nelson Disco Shaun Rusty David Savior Alain Octavo Raygun Alejandro Other Attractions: Extreme Sports & pro exhibition Spectacular intelligent lighting A massive outdoor laser light show Giant visuals & interactive video Fire breathers & performance artists International hot & cold food stalls and food court Alcohol area for the 21+ Vendor village Free-giveaways VIP tent & sponsor area Global awareness booths and non-profits LOOK TO http://www.coolworld.com For complete info and line-up, location info artist bios, listen to artist new releases, interviews, purchase artist music, what happened at last years Cyberfest, merchandise and what to expect at this years event! BUY YOUR TICKETS PRESALE! Cyberfest last year in Fresno sold-out with over 30,000 in attendance! So get your tickets early for speedy entry to save money, plan early & secure your place at this years Cyberfest Presale tickets on-sale now on-line @ http://www.coolworld.com Presale Tickets on-sale for $35, once those sell out tickets will be $40! Until sold-out. $50 @ the door. Tickets avail @ all West Coast Ticketmaster locations and your favorite record storeslook to www.coolworld.com for all locations. Special VIP tickets available exclusively on-line at coolworld.com For only $100. Limited amount available get yours now while they last! VIP ticket holders will receive Cyberfest VIP laminates for keepsakes that will allow you to have VIP line priveledges, access to VIP industry tent to get up close & personal with your favorite artists, record executives and dance enthusiasts from around the globe. Complimentary food & drink will be provided as well as guest artist/ DJ performances in an intimate atmosphere. You will also receive free goodies and giveaways. SERVICES: Friendly security staff, lots of parking, plenty of restrooms, on-site ATMs, International food stalls SORRY YOU CANT BRING: Video cameras (cameras are okay), Food, beverages, illegal substances. Cyberfest enforces a drug-free environment policy so have fun and be responsible. 24 HOUR INFOLINES: 415-979-4543 / 408-235-1077 Sponsors, promoters, press & vendors interested in Cyberfest please contact us by email info@coolworld.com or you may also call our industry line @ 510-273-9542. If you are interested in getting involved in Cyberfest please contact us as we are looking for performance artists, volunteers, good promoters, cool attractions, cutting edge technology to share, visual artists, and anything that may benefit this years Cyberfest messages can be left on our industry line @ 510-273- 9542 or email to info@coolworld.com. Thank you for all your years of dedicated support and we look forward to seeing all of you at Cyberfest --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68072-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 01:44:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51673 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 01:44:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51662 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 01:44:45 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:55:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New Orleans case update For anyone following the case in New Orleans, there are a couple details worth noting: 1) Donnie did not enter the plea agreement that was entered by Robert and Brian. 2) The plea agreement will make the connection between pacifiers and glow sticks and chil rooms as paraphernalia much stronger, unless it is challenged, and 3) The legal bills Donnie has faced are very high, and still need to be raised Rolling Stone mistakenly reported that all men had been acquited. This is not accurate, and perhaps happened as a result of a misleading press release around the announcement of the plea. EM:DEF is commited to filing a challenge to the terms of the plea agreement once it is approved by the Federal Court judge on August 1st. At this point, the prosecutors and Robert and Brian's attorneys have agreed to terms. A judge must still approve the plea. Only once it is approved can the terms of the plea be challenged. Challenging the terms of the plea agreement will be considerably more affordable than a Federal trial would have been. Furthermore, noone will face prison sentences as a result of a loss at trial. Therefore, this solution is a good one. But, the case is far from over. EM:DEF continues to raise funds for legal bills, and to pay for a challlenge to the terms of the plea agreement, hopefully getting an injunction that will block enforcement of the plea terms. This would essentially reverse the Federal Government's claims that pacifiers and glow sticks are paraphernalia. To stay current on legal matters related to the New Orleans case, check out our web-site at http://www.emdef.org Warm regards, Will Patterson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68073-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 01:51:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55848 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 01:51:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55838 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 01:51:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.54.129.0] From: "... ! ..." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:51:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 01:51:00.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BA703E0:01C105BE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR. HipHop and Such Mike wrote: I'd rather not "get over" the fact that something I love has been coopted for cashflow... Prostitution is the world's oldest profession, you know... It's not an excuse, just empirical evidence. don't we care about our music enough to protect it, rather than wait for it to get eaten by profiteering fuckers? I suspect it's almost as impossible to protect music from exploitation as it is to protect information on an open network. Then again, I'm sure there have been parties that no one knew about outside of those who came. (But I would argue that's a closed network) Doesn't it PISS YOU OFF that the economic and social climate in this country makes it acceptable to treat autonomous underground communities like target marketing research pools? Not in light of the fact that these very communities were created and influenced by the target marketing research pools that preceeded them. Disappointing perhaps... "Art is not eternal" - The Merry Pranksters /////////// Eminem is bring his crew. Fun. (Thank you for clueing me in.) /////////// Blindspot wrote: The gangsterism element in hip hop proceeds from the (for some) empowering notion that an individual can exist and even flourish within power systems that exist outside and/or parallel of official governments and businesses. In the creative endeavor of music specifically it is a completely valid notion that projections of gangsterism run the gamut from simply being made up-to exaggeration and embelishment-to real life turf wars. In some cases it's hard to see where the art imitates life and the life imitates art. My personal take on this is that popular culture has been overexposed to a few sad stories within the hiphop community that have now become self-fulfilling prophecies. Ten years ago I would agree that up-and-coming hiphop artists saw some nasty shit growing up. Now, I suspect it's more likely that many are coveting the lifestyle so they can get Paid. In any event, I mistrust most "artists" represented by major record labels. Hip hop has the severity of the real to it, that raves simply lack. It also has recognition of the power to control. Raves hold the promise of fulfilling ideals of beauty whatever they may be for both for an individual and a group. Raves have the recognition of letting go (of control). Hip hop-realistic Raves -idealistic Food for thought: One of the greatest friends I have did her English thesis on Hip-hop music as a form of post-modernism. Although.. raves have been some of the most real places I've ever been. Sometimes frighteningly so. It's not often I comprehend my thoughts just getting up and walking around. ////////// And now, a quote: "Hiphop is really just watered-down, kind of lame electro.. There's a vested interest in keeping production values down so all the morons can stay in work.. If you create songs with syntesizer sounds and beats using preset modules, you might as well drive a truck - it's no longer art." - John Robie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68074-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 01:58:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58527 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 01:58:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58517 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 01:58:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.54.129.0] From: "... ! ..." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:58:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 01:58:11.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C8400F0:01C105BF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken. This, by the way, is rif.ckingdiculous. >From: System Attendant >To: "'... ! ...'" >Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t >aken. >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:51:18 -0700 > >Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content. > >Place = sfraves@hyperreal.org; ; >Sender = ... ! ... >Subject = [sfraves] NRR. HipHop and Such >Delivery Time = July 05, 2001 (Thursday) 18:51:16 >Policy = Inappropriate Language >Action on this mail = Quarantine message > >Warning message from administrator: >Sender, Content filter has detected the use of Inappropriate Language in >your e-mail. 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To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:13:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 02:13:50.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C0DBBC0:01C105C1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Green (N) We solicit submissions on creative substitutions for rolling papers using everyday household items. Bonus prize for the answer within arms length from the couch. Offer good while supplies last.. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68076-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 02:21:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68871 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 02:21:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68861 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 02:21:42 -0000 Message-Id: <200107060221.f662LAm57131@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@mail.napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:16:12 -0500 To: SILVIU , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi In-Reply-To: <20010703165411.54034.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: The PRE-BOOTY CALL agreement Hooray! I love it!! It's perferct!! Just what i needed for my thoghts ;) Plur* Levi At 09:54 AM 7/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >DISCLAIMER : If you are SENSITIVE to such things (read >the title again) please DONT READ ANY FURTHER ! > >:SILVIU >"You are the weakest link. Goodbye." > >*------------------*snip*------------------* > > >THE PRE-BOOTY CALL AGREEMENT > >This pre-booty call agreement (herein after referred >to herein as the "Agreement") is entered into as of >the _________ day of _______, 2000 >by and between ____________________ & >____________________. > >THIS AGREEMENT SHALL COVER THE FOLLOWING RULES AND >PRINCIPLES. > >1. No sleeping over- UNLESS IT IS VERY GOOD AND WE >NEED TO REPEAT IT IN THE MORNING. >2. No meeting in public except for dinner or drinks >before the events of the evening. >3. No calls before 9p.m.- (we don't have sh@# to talk >about). >4. None of that "Lovemaking" sh@#, strictly mind >blowing-sex allowed. > >5. No emotional discussions. (ie: Where are we headed >w/this? Do you >love me? Hell NO, so don't ask stupid questions). >6. No plans made in advance...that's why you're called >the "Back-up" unless you are from out of town, then >it's only a one time advanced arrangement. > >7. All gifts accepted- (money, oral, etc.). >8. No Baby talk, (however, dirty talk is encouraged). >9. No asking for Comparisons with former Lovers (its >really none of your d@mn business). >10. No kissing (too intimate except to other body >parts). >11. No calling each other "friends with benefits" (we >are not friends, just sex-buddies). >12. Calling out the wrong name during sex is O.K.- >don't be offended. > >13. No extra clothing (I don't want your a$$ leaving >anything behind when you leave). >14. No falling asleep right after Sex. Get your a$$ up >and GO HOME, It's OVER damn-it. >15. Don't be offended if I don't ask if you enjoyed >it. (I DON'T CARE). >16. You cannot borrow my car for any reason. >17. If anyone asks who you are, the standard response >will be, "My roommates girlfriend/boyfriend." >18. Doggie style preferred >19. Reason for doggie style. The less eye contact the >better. (duh) >20. We hook up absolutely whenever the mood strikes. - >ME! (So don't keep calling D@MN IT!!) >21. The most important one: NO CONDOMS, NO SEX, carry >your A$$ HOME!!! >22. Bring your own Drink- I am not your LIQUOR >STORE!!!! >23. No phone use please - I don't want anyone calling >back looking for your a$$!! > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68077-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 02:35:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72987 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 02:35:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72977 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 02:35:50 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c105c4$10b04180$cf95d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: , "Kenneth Bice" , "SF Raves List" , "frequency-8" , "djd-list" , "ravenproductions list" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:33:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: 33 By 120: Thank you from phatcow am i the only person that gets every e-mail twice? -----Original Message----- From: Tami Iida To: Kenneth Bice ; SF Raves List ; frequency-8 ; djd-list ; ravenproductions list Date: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: [sfraves] Re: 33 By 120: Thank you from phatcow >You're welcome. I'll always be behind you kenneth. I >know it's hard to throw parties to make a crowd of >ravers happy, and I know you are and will do the best >you can. I know that my friends are behind you all >the way too. > >take care, luv ya lots! *hugz* >~Tami >--- Kenneth Bice wrote: >> Okay so this comes a little bit late but better than >> never >> i supose, well after a lot of work and a lot of lost >> sleep, >> a few grey hairs and misc other things... i would >> like >> >> To thank all the dj's who spun, and who did not spin >> at 33 By 120. >> To thank all the folks that worked at this party. >> To thank everyone who promoted for this party. >> To thank the sound and lighting for this party. >> To thank all the attendees of this party. >> To thank everyone for being sober and having >> respect. >> >> To all the kind hearts that took part in this party >> and made it happen, i would like to give thanks to >> you because without your help none of what happened >> could have been possible. >> >> thank you to everyone for all your help and support. >> >> laterz >> >> kenneth >> >> >> > > >===== >Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* >~~Tami :-) >(408) 821-6012 >___________________________________________________________ >Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio >---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68078-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 02:47:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78274 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 02:47:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78264 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 02:47:56 -0000 From: XSCOOTERX87@aol.com Message-ID: <109.2369bc2.287680ba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:47:22 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, bayareahappycore@egroups.com, sacramento_happycore@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_109.2369bc2.287680ba_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] extra plastic fantastic ticket --part1_109.2369bc2.287680ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey everyone.....i have a ticket for this partie that i dont need cause im not going anymore. lemme know if you need it. email me privately. -melissa --part1_109.2369bc2.287680ba_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68079-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 02:53:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81939 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 02:53:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81927 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 02:53:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.81.74.146] From: "Sean M" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:53:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 02:53:25.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3C6A900:01C105C6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Perfect Needle i havent been spinning for that long but i definatally am happy with the ortofon pros (black). Orotofon even makes a higher end needle and a scratch needle too but the pros are affordable--about $100 each. They are loud, last a long time, the sound quality is good, and they really dont ever skip-- and some of my records are pretty warped. Go to any club or party and u will see ortofon's are the needle of choice. peace Sean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68080-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 03:16:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99277 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 03:16:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99267 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 03:16:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.205.84] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com, xxpukayekayexx@aol.com, k8teohh9@hotmail.com, tonyjbrony15@aol.com, liltenshiraver@aol.com, lady5050@yahoo.com, g1z878@aol.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 20:15:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 03:15:59.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAEA29A0:01C105C9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] << F O C U S >> (bsP) FRIDAY, JULY 13th hi guys...well this is it...coming up this JULY 13th...its gonna be great!!! TICKETS ARE NOW ON SALE...read info below for locations...(15 bucks...cheap!) ill see u there! =) CHOCO dj_choco@hotmail.com "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to make your own reality." Coming July 13th 2001....... Mindgames productions with a helping hand from NeuroScience Creations presents...... FOCUS MORGAN TELENE MICHAEL LIU ALIAS JUSTIN HALE BAZOOKA JOE KEITH EDWARDS LEON COOK CELSIUS BLAIR RAYGIN BROTHA REESE SYMPLEX PSYKORAL TYME PATRIK CRAZ-E ON-E TRANCEPIMP CHOCO EBER ENRINCO F. EINSTEIN ELEKTROLYTE vs. NEUROPSYNTIST we will be converting a prime piece of centrally located bay area real estate into a three room musical playground, with unlimited outdoor smoking space, and a handful of stimulating chill rooms. This is a never been used before, and never will be used again venue, so missing this event will leave you wondering what you missed. With NeuroScience Creations bringing all the sound in their arsenal, all three rooms will be bumpin. Together with multiple Lasers and a handful of mind blowing visuals, your senses will be stimulated. We are limiting the capacity to ensure enough space to sit, lay, and still have plenty of room to dance, even with the assortment of chairs and couches lining the walls in all three rooms. We are going all out to ensure that we use this opportunity to its fullest, and to bring you the best party we can while we are at it, and hopefully one of the best parties you will experience ever. So please come out and help us make this a night to remember, we promise we wont let you down........ this venue guaranteed not to relocate last minute, setup is already in progress.... multiple restrooms with running water and stocked toilet paper...... reasonably priced water, red bull, and candy..... plenty of free secured and patrolled parking provided.... multiple free giveaway's (CD's and tape's)....... 1,500 person capacity...... $15 pre-sales at: SOLID GROOVES (408)248.6399 - 2271 The Alameda, Santa Clara SKILLS DJ WORKSHOP (510)704.9876 - 2575 Telegraph Ave., Berkeley $20 at the door questions, comments or concerns 1(408)514-2600 x6583 (location information event evening only) or visit the link on our website www.nscreation.com another neuroscience creation _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68081-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 03:21:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1470 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 03:21:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1455 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 03:21:08 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:32:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: COME-UNITY FRIDAY JULY 6TH Friday July 6th 2001 COME-UNITY......under the stars Simon - Jeno - Tony - Garth Cosmik Jason - Felix the Dog - Shobhan Gavan Duffy - Magnetic Poets live w/ Dj Bouyaka MISSION ROCK 817 China Basin - 10pm-4am - 21up w/id - 10 MALACHY ON HOUSE "When used with positive intention, Group energy has the potential to help restore the plan of Love on Earth...When you open your heart, and trust the whole group you dance with; when you feel love with everyone, and they return it, a higher vibration can be reached. This happens when a crowd is deep into the vibe of House...In the true sense of rhythmic movement, the effect is to align the physical, mental and emotional bodies with the Oneness of All that Is...Don't put out negative energy and feelings. Leave the old ways behind. Throw yourself into the winds of transformation and sow the seeds for a new world -- one where the human family is together again. When people respect each and care for each other as a community-organism...Spread the Peace!" Come join us for another evening of unity through house music and dance. Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68082-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 03:27:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4191 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 03:27:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4181 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 03:27:53 -0000 Message-ID: <02cc01c105cb$5fcc2980$6cd0f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "... ! ..." , References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:25:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Green (N) The real thin paper you find in some bibles works well... ----- Original Message ----- From: "... ! ..." To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: [sfraves] Green (N) > We solicit submissions on creative substitutions for rolling papers using > everyday household items. Bonus prize for the answer within arms length > from the couch. Offer good while supplies last.. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68083-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 03:45:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9722 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 03:45:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9711 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 03:45:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:45:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [BSP] One Night Stand, next Friday The RhythMethod and Absolute Zero present: One Night Stand Friday, July 13th Mambo Mambo 1803 Webster at 19th st Downtown Oakland 10pm - closing 21+ - $7 RM DJs: Ethan Joe Rice Greg Ti-Fred A0 DJs: Drenalin vs. Syncr B. Behlendorf Caliban Kamahele info: 415.270.3940 more info: in blue & white - http://www.cloudfactory.org/absolutezero in red & yellow - http://www.rhythmethod.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- if you've read this far, you are one cool motherfucker... come see my roommate play rock n roll at the Edinburgh Castle tonight! http://www.headlandsband.com -mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68084-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 04:38:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38052 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 04:38:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38040 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 04:38:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.101.106] From: "Crazy Fox" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:38:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 04:38:22.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D0F1D40:01C105D5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP? Flyer Artist Check out this flyer a friend of mine in Wisconsin did... http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Jaguarundi/sa-MRFlyer.jpg She does a lot of rave-related art but this is her first flyer and I think it'd be really cool if she was asked to do more design work. Anyway, this is my way of promoting her stuff, since I would get some strange stares if I printed this out and passed them around at parties. ;) raverfox _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68085-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 05:04:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47928 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 05:03:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47903 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 05:03:58 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: <65.16c359d6.28769c36@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:44:38 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) NOT junk mail! > > Hi, friends: > > To anyone that feel some love or respect for any form > > of life... What follows may be hard to believe. > > Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi war > > criminal, once said: > > > > "The more we do, the less you seem to believe it". > > > > There is a Japanese man living in New York that sells "BONSAI CATS". > The > guy > > puts the kittens in glass bottle then puts a probe in their > > anus that gets out from a gap in the bottle to dispense their urine > and > > faeces. For the kittens to take the bottle shape, they are fed with > > chemicals to melt the bones. Then he keeps the cats for as long as > they > can > > survive.They can't move, walk or clean up. He calls this "art". > > This cruelty is the last fashion in NYC,China,Indonesia, New Zeland, > because > > is a "decoration pet". If you want more information take a > > look in this site: > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bkmethod.html > > , and the babies into of a > > glass bottle in > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/gray.html > > and > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bnw.html > > > > We are making a list to sent to Animals Protection > > Association in USA and Mexico, and to TV news, to? stop this. We call > out > to > > anybody that loves cats or just has basic respect for LIFE > > please put your name in the end of this list, then forward this e-mail > to > > anyone you can think of. If in the list you find more than 500 > > names, please send a copy to anacheca@hotmail.com We are very > > thankfull to your help and we ask you to send this e-mail. > > > > 1.- Ana Checa M?xico, D.F.. > > 2.- Manolo Aller M?xico D.F.. > > 3.- Alberto Huerta M?xico D.F.. > > 4.- Manuel Guti?rrez M?xico DF > > 5.- Marco Zapata Madrid > > 6.- Teresa Morato M?xico D.F.. > > 7.- Ximena Goyenechea M?xico D.F. > > 8.- Larissa Lara M?xico D.F.. > > 9.- Marina Arencibia Venezuela > > 10.- Ana Maria Carvajal Venezuela > > 11.- Edgard D'Angelo Venezuela > > 12.- Claudia Marquez Venezuela > > 13.- Derek Ludovic Venezuela > > 14.- Rodolfo Placencia Venezuela > > 15.- Marbella Caceres Venezuela > > 16.- Maria Cristina Caceres Venezuela > > 17.- Ana C.? 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Vivanco, Wisconsin, USA > > 77.- Gisela Le?n, Chile > > 78.- Andrea Le?n, Chile > > 79.- Lorena Calleja, Chile. > > 80.- Rossana Cerecera, Chile. > > 81.- HUGO VERA,CHILE > > 82.- Elena Mena,Puerto Rico > > 83.- Vangie Vall?s - Puerto Rico > > 84. Ana Maria Alvarez Carta?a -Puerto Rico > > 85.- KARINNA RODR?GUEZ,MONTEVIDEO - URUGUAY > > 86.- Antonio Viera Vecchio, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > 87.- Carlos Vigliola, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > 88.- Jorge Savecki, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > 89.- Bianca Koch, S?o Paulo, BRASIL > > 90.- Evandro Cordova da Silva, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > 100.- Rodrigo Bertolani, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > 101 Ricardo Leonardi Fernandes, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > 102- Daniella Costa Neri - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > 103- Patricia R. Futema - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > 104- Adelina Louren?o de Oliveira - S?o Paulo - > > Brasil > > 105- Maria Cristina R. Mucciolo - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > 106- Caroline Bittencourt - SP _ BRASIL > > 107 - Rodrigo Ceriquera - SP _Brasil > > 108 - Caroline Musselli - SP - Brasil > > 109 - Andrea Corr?a - SP - Brasil > > 110 - Adriane Costa e Rocha Ciaffone - SP - Brasil > > 111- Daniela Siqueira Costa e Rocha- SP- Brasil > > 112 - Cl?udia Eliana Perin Bertoni - SP - Brasil > > 113 - Anna Paula de Britto Colacino - SP - Brasil > > 114 - Michelle Susan Wright - SP - Brasil > > 115 - Fl?via Cordovil - SP - Brasil > > 116 - Regina Rodrigues - SP - Brasil > > 117 - Elizabeth M-Ramalho MI - US > > 118- Gerson Amado - SP _ Brasil > > 119- Gislene Guimar?es- SP_Brasil > > 120- Fabiano Tricarico - SP_Brasil > > 121- JORGE FALC?O-BA-Brasil > > 122- Jacques Chachamovitz-SP-Brasil > > 123- Thais Helena Medeiros-SP-Brasil > > 124- Sandra Regina Miguel - SP - Brasil > > 125- Kelly Cristina Brito- Brasil > > 126- Daniela Marques Silva - Brasil > > 127- Camila do Nascimento - Brasil > > 128- Eliane de Lima Davrius-Brasil > > 129 - Elaine Jord?o - S?o Paulo - Brazil > > 130 - Sylvia & Allan Outrup - Denmark > > 131 - Lisa Hoej - Denmark > > 132- Preben Haagensen- Danmark > > 133 - Susanne Hansen - Denmark > > 134 - Tanja Petersen - Denmark > > 135 - Malene Thykj?r - Denmark > > 136 - Victor & Olga Platushyn - Ukraine > > 137 - Elaine Jord?o > > 138. Magdalena Szymanska - Poland > > 139. Anna Glowacka -Poland > > 140. Lidka i Waldek Baesler -Poland > > 141. Katarzyna Kuligowska - Poland > > 142. Dr.Lena Preisler- Israel > > 143. Dr.Eyal Preisler- Israel > > 144. Dana Segal - Israel > > 145. Tali S - Israel > > 146. Yifat Cnaan - Israel > > 147. Hollinger Ronit - Israel > > 148. Tomer Shmaya - Israel > > 149. Ido Dovrath - Israel > > 150. Dror Salee - Israel > > 151. Einat Lachover - Israel > > 152. Keren Mandelbaum - Israel > > 153. Yael Pritch - Israel > > 154. Ilana Kedar - Israel > > 155. Michal Weiselberg - israel > > 156. Chava Steiner - Israel > > 157. Mickey Steiner - Israel > > 158. Tammy Carmel - Israel > > 159. Ruthie Vollweiler - Israel > > 160. Shai Hakim - Israel > > 161. Ilana Bineli - Israel. > > 162. Tehila Cohen, Israel. > > 163. Eran Hazoum, Israel. > > 164. Deby Varsichky > > 165. Hadas Schwartz-Israel > > 166. Ronen Rouach. > > 167. Edna Bahalul. > > 168. Tammy Hershkovitz. > > 167. yael hershkovits > > 169. Ofer Sarig - Israel (In the name of my cat > > "kisinger") > > 170. Hilah Gal > > 180. Pazit Libros (And Shmulik the cat!!!) > > 181. Gidi Zaiger-Israel > > 182. Kirill Skomorovski > > 183. Elena Shaldybina- Israel > > 184. Nadri Carmit - Israel > > 185. Tamar Nadari - The Netherlands > > 186. Sara Rzayeva-Azerbaijan > > 187. Omer Dolek - This planet > > 188. Oyku Iyigun - Turkey > > 89. Deniz Ergene - Turkey > > 190. Ay=E7a =D6zt=FCrk - Turkey > > 191. Ladin Karatyli - Turkey > > 192. Ece Agabeyoglu - Turkey > > 193. Ilbeyi Agabeyoglu - Turkey > > 194. M. Rauf Yektay - Turkey > > 195. Nuran Yektay - Turkey > > 196. Seda Irengu - Turkey > > 197. M.Sevil Irengu - Turkey > > 198. Enis ULUS - Turkey > > 199. Ozgur Ulus - TURKEY > > 200. Ozlem Ulus- Turkey > > 201. Funda ESEN - Turkey > > 202. Alice A. HANSSON - Turkey > > 203. Osman Erg=FCn Arpaci - Turkey > > 204. Banu Arpaci - Turkey > > 205. Erdal Tokcan - Turkey > > 206. Neslihan Tokcan - Turkey > > 207. Rina Levi - Turkey > > 208. Keti Levi - Turkey > > 209. Aylin Irzik - Turkey > > 210. Eylem Demirci- Turkey > > 211. M.Sinan Ozden (and Muhtar the cat!!!)- Turkey > > 212. Demir Devecigil - Turkey > > 213. Pynar Aypek T=FCrker - Turkey > > 214. Hilal Ozcan- Turkey > > 215. M=FCge ener - Turkey > > 216. Esra CIFTELERLI - San Diego > > 217. Gozde VARDAR - San Diego, CA USA > > 218. Irmak UNAL - San Francisco, CA > > 219. Jasey McVicar, San Francisco, CA USA > > 220. Boris Shmit, Aurora, CO USA > > 221. Gianni Messmer Santa Rosa CA USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68086-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 05:09:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50031 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 05:09:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50008 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 05:09:44 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:42:03 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) NOT junk mail! > > Hi, friends: > > To anyone that feel some love or respect for any form > > of life... What follows may be hard to believe. > > Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi war > > criminal, once said: > > > > "The more we do, the less you seem to believe it". > > > > There is a Japanese man living in New York that sells "BONSAI CATS". > The > guy > > puts the kittens in glass bottle then puts a probe in their > > anus that gets out from a gap in the bottle to dispense their urine > and > > faeces. For the kittens to take the bottle shape, they are fed with > > chemicals to melt the bones. Then he keeps the cats for as long as > they > can > > survive.They can't move, walk or clean up. He calls this "art". > > This cruelty is the last fashion in NYC,China,Indonesia, New Zeland, > because > > is a "decoration pet". If you want more information take a > > look in this site: > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bkmethod.html > > , and the babies into of a > > glass bottle in > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/gray.html > > and > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bnw.html > > > > We are making a list to sent to Animals Protection > > Association in USA and Mexico, and to TV news, to? stop this. We call > out > to > > anybody that loves cats or just has basic respect for LIFE > > please put your name in the end of this list, then forward this e-mail > to > > anyone you can think of. If in the list you find more than 500 > > names, please send a copy to anacheca@hotmail.com We are very > > thankfull to your help and we ask you to send this e-mail. > > > > 1.- Ana Checa M?xico, D.F.. > > 2.- Manolo Aller M?xico D.F.. > > 3.- Alberto Huerta M?xico D.F.. > > 4.- Manuel Guti?rrez M?xico DF > > 5.- Marco Zapata Madrid > > 6.- Teresa Morato M?xico D.F.. > > 7.- Ximena Goyenechea M?xico D.F. > > 8.- Larissa Lara M?xico D.F.. > > 9.- Marina Arencibia Venezuela > > 10.- Ana Maria Carvajal Venezuela > > 11.- Edgard D'Angelo Venezuela > > 12.- Claudia Marquez Venezuela > > 13.- Derek Ludovic Venezuela > > 14.- Rodolfo Placencia Venezuela > > 15.- Marbella Caceres Venezuela > > 16.- Maria Cristina Caceres Venezuela > > 17.- Ana C.? Castro venezuela > > 18.- Victoria Sanchez, Venezuela > > 19.- Maria Editha Valdeavellano, Chile > > 20.- Patricio Valdeavellano, Chile > > 21.- Reinaldo Lopez, Venezuela > > 22.- Paula Aedo, Chile > > 23.- Constanza Carrasco, Chile. > > 24.- Cecilia Noton, Chile > > 25.- Carlos Eduardo Briones Bolbaran, Chile > > 26.- Ximena Alejandra Briones Bolbaran, Chile > > 27.- Pamela Andrea Roa Alarcon, Chile > > 28.- Gabriela Beatriz Christiny Guajardo, Chile > > 29.- Magdalena Amenabar Iniguez, Chile > > 30.- Indra Soledad Kleinhempel Valladares, Chile > > 31.- Monica Marisol Moreno Muga,Chile > > 32.- Pilar Rebolledo, Chile > > 33.- Andrea Villagra, Chile > > 34.- Claudia Jerez, Chile > > 35.- Erna Zagal ,Chile > > 36.- Andrea Munoz, Chile > > 37.- Jacqueline Mateluna, Chile > > 38.- Beatriz Crovetto, Chile > > 39.- Carinne Santana, Chile > > 40.- Ang?lica Benda?a, Chile > > 41.- Isabel Olivares, Chile > > 42.- Max Aguilera, Chile > > 43.- Mar?a Jos? Molina, Chile > > 44.- Alejandra Fuentealba, Chile > > 45.- Tamara Huanquel, Chile. > > 46.- Paulina Garc?s, Chile > > 47.- Carmen Gloria Mu?oz, Chile > > 48.- Mar?a Soledad Cofr?, Chile > > 49.- Sergio Antoine, Chile > > 50.- Maria Jose Espinoza, Chile > > 51.- Alejandra Bauerle, Chile > > 52.- Ximena Chau, Chile > > 53.- Doris Rubio,Chile > > 54.- Heidi Acevedo,Chile > > 55.- Claudia Acevedo,Chile > > 56.- Maria Elena Vergara, Chile > > 57.- Sandra Soto > > 58.- Elizabeth Molina > > 59.- Paula Rios > > 60.- Rodrigo Gajardo > > 61.- Andrea Solari > > 62.- Paula Baranda > > 63.- Guillermina de la Jara > > 64.- Monserrat Gajardo > > 65.- Paola Croma > > 66.- Erika Leiva > > 67.- Luis Bravo > > 68.- Ximena Cruz, Chile > > 69.- Marcela Serey, Chile > > 70.- Ismael Serey, Chile > > 71.- Luisa Torres, Chile > > 72.- Luis G?mez, Chile > > 73.- Loreto Valenzuela, Chile > > 74.- Lorena Tapia, Chile > > 75.- Antonia Fortt, Chile > > 76.- Fernando A.? Vivanco, Wisconsin, USA > > 77.- Gisela Le?n, Chile > > 78.- Andrea Le?n, Chile > > 79.- Lorena Calleja, Chile. > > 80.- Rossana Cerecera, Chile. > > 81.- HUGO VERA,CHILE > > 82.- Elena Mena,Puerto Rico > > 83.- Vangie Vall?s - Puerto Rico > > 84. Ana Maria Alvarez Carta?a -Puerto Rico > > 85.- KARINNA RODR?GUEZ,MONTEVIDEO - URUGUAY > > 86.- Antonio Viera Vecchio, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > 87.- Carlos Vigliola, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > 88.- Jorge Savecki, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > 89.- Bianca Koch, S?o Paulo, BRASIL > > 90.- Evandro Cordova da Silva, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > 100.- Rodrigo Bertolani, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > 101 Ricardo Leonardi Fernandes, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > 102- Daniella Costa Neri - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > 103- Patricia R. Futema - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > 104- Adelina Louren?o de Oliveira - S?o Paulo - > > Brasil > > 105- Maria Cristina R. Mucciolo - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > 106- Caroline Bittencourt - SP _ BRASIL > > 107 - Rodrigo Ceriquera - SP _Brasil > > 108 - Caroline Musselli - SP - Brasil > > 109 - Andrea Corr?a - SP - Brasil > > 110 - Adriane Costa e Rocha Ciaffone - SP - Brasil > > 111- Daniela Siqueira Costa e Rocha- SP- Brasil > > 112 - Cl?udia Eliana Perin Bertoni - SP - Brasil > > 113 - Anna Paula de Britto Colacino - SP - Brasil > > 114 - Michelle Susan Wright - SP - Brasil > > 115 - Fl?via Cordovil - SP - Brasil > > 116 - Regina Rodrigues - SP - Brasil > > 117 - Elizabeth M-Ramalho MI - US > > 118- Gerson Amado - SP _ Brasil > > 119- Gislene Guimar?es- SP_Brasil > > 120- Fabiano Tricarico - SP_Brasil > > 121- JORGE FALC?O-BA-Brasil > > 122- Jacques Chachamovitz-SP-Brasil > > 123- Thais Helena Medeiros-SP-Brasil > > 124- Sandra Regina Miguel - SP - Brasil > > 125- Kelly Cristina Brito- Brasil > > 126- Daniela Marques Silva - Brasil > > 127- Camila do Nascimento - Brasil > > 128- Eliane de Lima Davrius-Brasil > > 129 - Elaine Jord?o - S?o Paulo - Brazil > > 130 - Sylvia & Allan Outrup - Denmark > > 131 - Lisa Hoej - Denmark > > 132- Preben Haagensen- Danmark > > 133 - Susanne Hansen - Denmark > > 134 - Tanja Petersen - Denmark > > 135 - Malene Thykj?r - Denmark > > 136 - Victor & Olga Platushyn - Ukraine > > 137 - Elaine Jord?o > > 138. Magdalena Szymanska - Poland > > 139. Anna Glowacka -Poland > > 140. Lidka i Waldek Baesler -Poland > > 141. Katarzyna Kuligowska - Poland > > 142. Dr.Lena Preisler- Israel > > 143. Dr.Eyal Preisler- Israel > > 144. Dana Segal - Israel > > 145. Tali S - Israel > > 146. Yifat Cnaan - Israel > > 147. Hollinger Ronit - Israel > > 148. Tomer Shmaya - Israel > > 149. Ido Dovrath - Israel > > 150. Dror Salee - Israel > > 151. Einat Lachover - Israel > > 152. Keren Mandelbaum - Israel > > 153. Yael Pritch - Israel > > 154. Ilana Kedar - Israel > > 155. Michal Weiselberg - israel > > 156. Chava Steiner - Israel > > 157. Mickey Steiner - Israel > > 158. Tammy Carmel - Israel > > 159. Ruthie Vollweiler - Israel > > 160. Shai Hakim - Israel > > 161. Ilana Bineli - Israel. > > 162. Tehila Cohen, Israel. > > 163. Eran Hazoum, Israel. > > 164. Deby Varsichky > > 165. Hadas Schwartz-Israel > > 166. Ronen Rouach. > > 167. Edna Bahalul. > > 168. Tammy Hershkovitz. > > 167. yael hershkovits > > 169. Ofer Sarig - Israel (In the name of my cat > > "kisinger") > > 170. Hilah Gal > > 180. Pazit Libros (And Shmulik the cat!!!) > > 181. Gidi Zaiger-Israel > > 182. Kirill Skomorovski > > 183. Elena Shaldybina- Israel > > 184. Nadri Carmit - Israel > > 185. Tamar Nadari - The Netherlands > > 186. Sara Rzayeva-Azerbaijan > > 187. Omer Dolek - This planet > > 188. Oyku Iyigun - Turkey > > 89. Deniz Ergene - Turkey > > 190. Ay=E7a =D6zt=FCrk - Turkey > > 191. Ladin Karatyli - Turkey > > 192. Ece Agabeyoglu - Turkey > > 193. Ilbeyi Agabeyoglu - Turkey > > 194. M. Rauf Yektay - Turkey > > 195. Nuran Yektay - Turkey > > 196. Seda Irengu - Turkey > > 197. M.Sevil Irengu - Turkey > > 198. Enis ULUS - Turkey > > 199. Ozgur Ulus - TURKEY > > 200. Ozlem Ulus- Turkey > > 201. Funda ESEN - Turkey > > 202. Alice A. HANSSON - Turkey > > 203. Osman Erg=FCn Arpaci - Turkey > > 204. Banu Arpaci - Turkey > > 205. Erdal Tokcan - Turkey > > 206. Neslihan Tokcan - Turkey > > 207. Rina Levi - Turkey > > 208. Keti Levi - Turkey > > 209. Aylin Irzik - Turkey > > 210. Eylem Demirci- Turkey > > 211. M.Sinan Ozden (and Muhtar the cat!!!)- Turkey > > 212. Demir Devecigil - Turkey > > 213. Pynar Aypek T=FCrker - Turkey > > 214. Hilal Ozcan- Turkey > > 215. M=FCge ener - Turkey > > 216. Esra CIFTELERLI - San Diego > > 217. Gozde VARDAR - San Diego, CA USA > > 218. Irmak UNAL - San Francisco, CA > > 219. Jasey McVicar, San Francisco, CA USA > > 220. Boris Shmit, Aurora, CO USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68087-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 05:14:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52280 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 05:14:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52270 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 05:14:06 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.101.106] From: "Crazy Fox" To: GIANNI3333@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:13:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 05:13:35.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[686937E0:01C105DA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Bonsai Kitten it's a joke. Please don't pass this angry petition around any more. see http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bonsai.htm >From: GIANNI3333@aol.com >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Subject: [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) >NOT junk mail! >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:44:38 EDT > > > > Hi, friends: > > > To anyone that feel some love or respect for any form > > > of life... What follows may be hard to believe. > > > Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi war > > > criminal, once said: > > > > > > "The more we do, the less you seem to believe it". > > > > > > There is a Japanese man living in New York that sells "BONSAI CATS". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68088-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 05:38:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63103 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 05:38:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63083 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 05:38:23 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:38:09 -0700 From: vix To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <65.16c359d6.28769c36@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: NRR [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) NOT junk mail! Gianni, you are wonderful. A man who cares about protecting animals from abuse is a hero in my book. But as somebody said, luckily this is a bad joke and no one is really bonsaiing kittens =) Why it's supposed to be funny is a good question; some people are just weird. But it's not the worst joke web page I've seen. That "prize" would have to go to (ugh): http://www.manbeef.com > From: GIANNI3333@aol.com > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:44:38 EDT > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) NOT > junk mail! > >>> Hi, friends: >>> To anyone that feel some love or respect for any form >>> of life... What follows may be hard to believe. >>> Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi war >>> criminal, once said: >>> >>> "The more we do, the less you seem to believe it". >>> >>> There is a Japanese man living in New York that sells "BONSAI CATS". --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68089-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 05:47:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69578 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 05:47:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69564 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 05:46:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:46:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: nomadicDJ cc: Goa Graver , blindspot@mac.com, svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? I can't stand vicks... unless I'm sicker than fuck, which I have been the last few days. IN Vicks Vapo Rub's defense, it is the motherfucking BOMB when you have a chest cold :) xo Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, nomadicDJ wrote: > that stuff totally burns your eyes! I was at this one rave, [sober like > always] and someone out of the blue rubbed it all over my face, and then > slapped on a mask that was saturated in it. Man, I couldn't see, and i was > like suffocating! What's worse, tho, is glowstick material. One time > someone had one burst on them, and they thought it would be a good idea to > paint my face with it. Ow that stung! > Oh well, i guess the moral of the story is; it's the thought that counts, > and they definitely meant well. Thanks guys, whoever you were!! > > .:nomadic:. > (www.nomadicDJ.com) > > PS next time, stick to the light shows--those are definitely appreciated and > non-toxic =) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Goa Graver [mailto:zakmane23@goatrance.com] > Sent: 05 July 2001 02:31 > To: blindspot@mac.com; svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? > Importance: Low > > > Actually its fun to hang with friends that are rolling and "ride" thier > vibe. It is fun , free and you dont get cracked out. But yes, the vicks is > not welcome. Am I alone or am I the only person that cant deal with > vap-o-rub? It is weird and burns my eyes. > > >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:10:02 -0700 (PDT) > > "John B." blindspot@mac.comCc: > sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? > >But why does being open and friendly imply that you're on E? Why is it it > >assumed that you need E to be open and friendly? I don't. > > > >Oh, and *I* think you can take E without being "tarded out". I generally > would > >only describe the puddles quivering in the middle of the floor as "tarded > out". > > > >Certainly, it can help... especially for naturally introverted people. But > I > >don't think it's necessary. Tho, I'll admit, it's worked wonders for me. > > > >Hell, as much as I'd hate to compare myself to a dog, I think there's > something > >Pavlovian there... After trying E at enought parties, just the right music > is > >enough to kick me off (completely sober) into a level of open friendlyness, > >towards total strangers even, that I used to only get with E (that was > BEFORE I > >started going to parties). It's to the point that at the last few parties > I've > >been to, (completely sober) I've had several people just assume that I MUST > be > >rolling. The only drawback to that, I can see, is when somebody attacks > you > >with their Vics, thinking they're doing you a favor. > > > >But just what's wrong with being nice to each other? I find it SUCH a > >refreshing change... even from the other scene (punk/ska) I hold so close > to my > >heart. > > > >So, when I'm saddened by people at parties who close themselfes off behind > >walls of bad vibes and shadiness, It's not because I think they should be > >rolling. It's because it saddens me that in such an atmosphere of good > vibes, > >it's such a shame not to be a part of it, sober, rolling, or whatever. > > > > > >cya > >john > > > > > >blindspot wrote: > > > >>Word Lara! > > > >>Your point about the openess of tarded out loved-up ravers vs more > >>closed gangster is a bit interesting. In all frankness, wasn't E > >>kinda like the link in Raves that was supposed to bridge that gap. > >>Even if only for a night. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed is here in my arms.... > Words are very unnecessary, they can only do harm." > Depeche Mode, Enjoy the Silence > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com > all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68090-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 05:57:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75029 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 05:57:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75018 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 05:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706055701.94805.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Mikey J Reply-To: mijo976@yahoo.com To: vix , GIANNI3333@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: NRR [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) NOT junk mail! mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... i am so weak!!! done laughin now mikey J --- vix wrote: > Gianni, you are wonderful. A man who cares about > protecting animals from > abuse is a hero in my book. But as somebody said, > luckily this is a bad joke > and no one is really bonsaiing kittens =) > > Why it's supposed to be funny is a good question; > some people are just > weird. But it's not the worst joke web page I've > seen. That "prize" would > have to go to (ugh): > > http://www.manbeef.com > > > > > From: GIANNI3333@aol.com > > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:44:38 EDT > > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > > Subject: [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help > stop this!!! (from Gianni) NOT > > junk mail! > > > >>> Hi, friends: > >>> To anyone that feel some love or respect for any > form > >>> of life... What follows may be hard to believe. > >>> Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi > war > >>> criminal, once said: > >>> > >>> "The more we do, the less you seem to believe > it". > >>> > >>> There is a Japanese man living in New York that > sells "BONSAI CATS". > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68091-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 05:59:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76529 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 05:59:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76512 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 05:59:28 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: <123.1426ccd.2876ab92@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:50:10 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **BSP** Where's Gianni this weekend????? Hi everyone Gianni here, I'd like to wish you all a fun & safe 4th of July=20 week. This week I'll be at: **TUESDAY JULY 3rd** (((((((((((((((((SPUNDAE INDEPEN'DANCE" =20 DAY)))))))))))))) WHOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! 0000000000000000 00This is going to be a=20 great 4th of July celebration, with a world class lineup featuring Seb=20 Fontaine, Grant Plant,Chris Fortier, Garth, Dave Coleman + Sen Sei, Ellen=20 Ferrato and me. I'll be playing at 10pm so get there early and have a drink=20 or 10 with me. 21+ Live internet broadcast every week at www.spundae.com=20 9pm-6am, 21+, 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.974.9389=20 **FRIDAY JULY 6th** ((((((((((((((((Oracle Full Moon Gathering)))))))))))))) This is going to be an outdoor event in Portland Oregan. Whooo Hooo!!!!!! JOLEN ESSEX (Fragrant, Jolenessex.com), GIANNI (Spundae, Harmonics), MELVIN=20= J=20 (Nikita), JOSH TRUE(TrueKidz), UNICRON (TriForce), DIJON (Oracle),=20 ICARUS(Pulse), WAYNE WELLS (Trins). This is an outdoor event not to be=20 missed. We will be spinning the eletronic beats from dusk til dawn under the= =20 stars.=20 PRESALES: Platinum Records 503 222 9166. Presale: $10 and $15 at the door..=20 503.402.8647. =20 **SATURDAY JULY 7th** (((((((((((((SERINITY 2 YEAR=20 ANNIVERSARY))))))))))) Well Mystical Mehem has one hell of an event in store for us this time! I'm=20 really excited to go back to one of the old school rave venues the Concourse= =20 in SF!!! WHOOOO HOOOO!!!!! Here's all the info!!! DJ?LIVE PA'S: RICHARD 'HUMPTY' VISSION- EXCLUSIVE NOTHERN CALIFORNIA appearance by the=20 GRAMMY NOMINATED DJ/ PRODUCER celebrating the first Saturday of his CD=20 Release Tour for "DAMN THAT DJ MADE MY DAY!!" Due out July 3, 2001. URB=20 magazine is the official sponsor of the "Damn That DJ Made My Day Tour". JENO (WICKED, SF) TONY (Come-Unity, SF)=20 DAVID COLEMAN AND SENSI (Release, SF) JOEY MAZZOLA (AM Crew/RadioActive/Soulmatic, SF) DAVID GARCIA (Soulmatic, SF) GREG SANDLER (Harmony, SJ) ELLEN FARATO (Sugar/ Release, SF) HUEY (Nightlife, SF) M.A.C (Harmonics, SR) TRANCE/ NRG/ ANTHEMS (MELODIC JOURNEYS) NOSTRUM-LIVE PA direct from COLOGNE, GERMANY, EXCLUSIVE NOTHERN CALIFORNIA=20 appearance, (TIME UNLIMITED, NOOM RECORDS- DAMN Management) Thomas Trouble (SF, Blutonium Records) Dyloot (SKILLS, SF) Gianni (Spundae/ DJGIANNI.COM, SR) <---------I'll be playing from 9-10pm Tom Slik (SKILLS, SF) Uphonic (E.T.A., SF) St. John (HouseNation/ 94.9, SF), CD Release Tracer (Tektite, SF) CD Release of =E2=80=9CTRACER=E2=80=9D Morgan (Hard NRG/ Loteck Records, SF) DJ Hek (GHOSTRIBE Krew, SF) JUNGLE/ DRUM & BASS/ BREAKS/ 2 STEP (TOP DECK TECHNICIANS) The Vixen (SO-MUCH-GLOW, L.A./ Portland) Hak (Black Pearl, SJ) Billy Lane (916 Junglists/ Black Locusts, Sac.) FRANK NITTY (GHOSTIRBE Krew, SF) MC Ragga Bonton (Black Locust/ Bombastik, Sac.) Siphon (Urban Assault, SJ)- Nu Skool Breaks Set RIF (In Tha Mix, Sac.) Bicolas (SKILLS, SF) Buchweechio (SKILLS, SF) AND MOTE TBA=E2=80=A6. SOUND: JK SOUND LIGHTING: STIM-U-LIGHTS VISUALS and PROJECTIONS: VIBERATION VS. EYELUSIONS VS. =20= =20 STIM-U-LIGHTS VS. MARK JOHNS for the ultimate visual=20 LASERS: UV-99 VS. STIM-U-LIGHTS LOCATION; TBA>> SF LOCATION>> TBA 24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION: (415)-789-7344 / (415)-273-5720 / (408)-882-5090=20 THE VIBE: YOU BROWSE: THE MODERN ART EXPO PRESENTED BY SO-MUCH-GLOW SHOWCASING MULTI-MEDIA= =20 and VISUAL ARTISTS FROM THE BAY AREA UNDERGROUND. ENJOY: FREE FRUIT=20 4 ARENAS of THUNDERING BASS AND CRISP SONIC STIMULATION featuring JK SOUND= =E2=80=99s=20 Eastern Acoustic Works Sound Systems Lots of FREE CD=E2=80=99s / tape and Gear Giveaways courtesy of Mystical May= hem,=20 Tommy Boy Records, LIVE365.com, Harmonics, Noom Records, Black Pearl,=20 Ghostribe Krew, Skills, Tektite, HouseNation, NightLife, DJGIANNI.COM,=20 Soulmatic, Lotek Records, Electric Nerve, Harmony and more=E2=80=A6 STUNNING VISUALS, LAVIOUS INTELLIGENT LIGHTING, AND AN ORGANIC NUTRICIOUS=20 VIBE!!! 21+ COCKTAIL LOUNGE/ BEER GARDEN w/ live mixin=E2=80=99 DJ=E2=80=99s and pro= gressive=20 house/trance (I.D. please) FREE REFRESHING FRUIT BUFFET FULLY PERMITTED and 100% SECURE HUGE MULTIPLE linoleum dance floors for extra groovy breakin=E2=80=99 and fu= nky fresh=20 moves ALL ARTISTS ARE CONFIRMED!!! Clean Restrooms inside and out This event will sell out presale!!!! Open aired area for smoking Plenty of Friendly Security Located within walking distance of BART, MUNI, other forms of public transit= . SERENITY has always been a small party with a big impact. Please don=E2=80= =99t be=20 confused by the flyer. This event will be limited capacity!! This is a:=20 If-you-wait-and-lag-to-get-a-ticket-you-will-hear-about-it-afterwards-type-o= f- show!!!!! SERENITY will sell out presale so don't wait to grab a ticket from the=20 authorized outlets below: Buy a presale for yourself and a friend to save time and $ and assure your=20 attendance Interdictory presale price of $30.00 When those are gone $35.00 ON LINE TICKETS: WWW.ACTEVA.COM/GO/SERENITY=20 WWW.GROOVETICKETS.COM=20 GET DOOR PRIVILEGES AND MUSIC GIVEAWAYS w/ ONLINE tixs San Francisco F-8 Records, 1816 Haight St., (415)-221-4142 Spundae Records, 678 Haight St., (415)-575-1580 Clear Music, 147 Valencia St., (415)-437-1587 Briandrops, 1873 Hayes St., (415)-206-1576 Housewares, 1322 Haight St., (415)-252-1400=20 South Bay Ultra Soundz, 482 San Mateo, San Bruno, (650)-871-4170 Remix, 508 E. 3rd Ave., San Mateo, (650)-344-8060 Vibes, 1222 El Camino, Redwood City, (650)-299-0230 Solid Grooves, 2271 The Alameda, San Jose, (408)-248-6399 Popeye's, 291 South Capitol Ave., San Jose, (408)-729-3600 Pipeline, 818 Pacific Ave., Santa Cruz, (831)-425-7473 Rock Zone, 1280 1st St. # B, Gilroy, (408)-848-5055 Krate, 1274 N. Main St., Salinas, (831)-443-6580 East Bay/ Contra Costa/ Outer Bay Skills DJ Workshop, 2575Telegraph St., Berkley, (510)-704-9876 Generation Rock, 1820 Mt. Diablo St., Concord, (925)-682-9042 BASS Records, 36488 Fremont Blvd., Fremont, (510)-739-1862 Twilight Zone, 24463 Mission Blvd., Hayward, (510)-538-7945 Charlottes Web, 2160 Railroad Ave., Livermore, (925)-449-6165 Black Widow, 8909 Thornton Rd., Stockton, (209)-475-9005 Legacy Imports, 526 W. Ben Holt, Stockton, (209)-474-9009 In Tha Mix, 2329 I St., Sacramento, (916)-442-0499 Subsonic Underground, 106 J St., Sacramento, (916)-441-2775 Northern Bay Rock-On, 1630 North Texas St., Fairfield, (707)-422-2080 Harmonics, 404 Suite D Mendocino Ave., Santa Rosa, (707)-571-8747=20 Music Coop, 9 Petaluma Blvd., Petaluma, (707)-762-4257 Doc of Rock, 1811 Old Sonoma Rd., Napa, (707)-226-7652 Home Blown Glass-7108 Bodega Avenue, Sebastopol, (707)-824-8242 COMING SOON: WWW.MYSTICALMAYHEM.TV=20 LIVE WEB CAST FROM: WWW.LIVE365.COM=20 NO pens, bottles, other containers, food or candy please. A zero tolerance policy will be enforced towards drugs, sexual harassment,=20 and shady behavior All guest lists must be pre-approved via e24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION: Email @ MysticalMayhem1@aol.com Lineup subject to change so call info lines for added attractions and more=20 performers This is a benefit for seratonin: Party sober, remember the music and still=20 get crazy! If you like to help promote, contribute art or get involved call our 24-HOUR= =20 EVENT COMMUNICATION (415)-789-7344 / (415)-273-5720 / (408)-882-5090 and=20 leave a message and you can join the mystical mayhem mailing list to save=20 trees Serenity prep arties: >> call (415)-273-5720 for updates=20 Friday July 6 Team Tigger, Plastic Fantastic- (707)-323-1494=20 (show serenity presale and get free water) **SUNDAY JULY 8th** ((((((((((SPUNDAE)))))))))) Finish off a great week with a great night of Spundae!!!! Come out and see=20 Max Graham(Tranceport 4) <---This guy ROCKS!!!!!! Jonathan Ojeda, and me.=20 I'll be closing from 4-5:30. See you there!!! 21+ Live internet broadcast=20 every week at www.spundae.com 10pm-5:30am, 21+, 1015 Folsom St, SF.=20 415.974.9389 Usually free b4 10:30 $5 after.=20 Wherever you go please have a safe and fun Independance Day week.=20 Gianni :0) djgianni.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68092-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 06:10:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82298 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 06:10:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82275 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 06:10:09 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: <119.13fa7cd.2876ad91@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:58:41 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **BSP** MARDI GRAS 2!!! Tickets now in stores!!!!! Hi everyone Gianni here, Well Its that time of the year for another kick ass Mardi Gras event. (so what if its in July!! hehehe!!) Tickets are now in stores. There is a limited number of $19 tickets available so act now!! Here's all the info. Friday July 13th Electric Nerve & So Much Glow present..... MARDI GRAS 2 With a "LIVE PERFORMANCE" by one of the UK's most respected producers and the creator of WELLWICKED records for his first U.S. appearance... ((((((NUW IDOL))))) WellWicked records THOMAS TROUBLE Blutonium Records, thomastrouble.com GIANNI Spundae, Nikita, djgianni.com DYLOOT Skills UPHONIC ETA, Thump Radio MAC Rocker, Ohm,Harmonics ST JOHN House Nation DEVIN JRS,djdevin.com DAMIAN Greenfield Come out and join us as we celebrate our 2nd annual Mardi Gras event. As always we will be giving away 1000's of mardi gras necklaces, CD's and tapes. This is a fully permitted ALL AGES bay area event that will start at 8pm and end at 5am. Lasers by Stimulights. Presales are only $19 so act now save money and grab a presale for a friend because when those are gone they will be $23 Presale tickets available at: Skills 510-704-9876 Ultra Soundz 650-871-4170 Solid Grooves 408-248-6399 F-8 415-221-4142 Harmonics 707-571-8747 Generation Rock 925-682-9042 Rock On 707-422-2080 INFO LINES: 415-289-2111 510-594-4330 707-583-2333 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68093-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 07:44:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8369 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 07:44:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8358 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 07:44:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.6.86] From: "MY XINH" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:43:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 07:43:57.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[69DCDF90:01C105EF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] all ur reviews on 33 by 120 Ok so I have been reading all ur lame reviews on "33 by 120" and to be honest I think u are all full of shit... Im gonna start by saying that I was there, otherwise ill find my self w all bunch of "what do u know, and u f&*&* asked u?" So lets put down the facts.... The venue wasn’t the original spot planned for the event but still a very nice location, on the water, nice temperature outside, kinda hot inside but what do u fu&*ing expect we are in July and please tell me when the next promoter as enough money to buy ac for ur greedy ass! Ok so 800 capacity was announced at time of presale I don’t think this spot could of held so much people.... but I don’t remember seeing 800 people trying to squeeze in the venue and being kicked out. Or do u? The location I think was perfect for the amount of people that showed up! The time slots got kinda messed up by the fact that the hours changed from 8 to 6 to 6 to 4 but every time I walked in the room to cked out seemed like every one was having a great time and really enjoyed the beats dropping ... from techno to D&B to hardcore to trance.... kinda funny to hear such a variety all in the same night in the same room.... but it worked out not too bad.... So the party went on and so did the music... now what are u complaining about again? Im sorry I think I got lost there ...I thought u people had some respect for someone that gave u a party to go to and that didnt get busted after 30 mins.... So every Monday I see complains about a party getting busted, a party being cancelled, a party being moved from venue to venue every other 10 mins cuz the promoter wanted to make some money but didnt care about finding a venue, I see complains about massives, and complains about ugs, I see complains on a party being too packed or too empty.... So why don’t u stay home next time save Ur f*%king money and energy and if u really think u can pull it better.... c'mon ill be the first one to come to ur F^&*ng party.... What’s going to make u happy? Huh? What do u expect from a party and promoter? Can’t wait to read the reviews on the parties going on this weekend!!! SUSIE _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68094-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 08:18:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18643 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 08:18:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18587 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 08:18:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706081836.17213.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: SILVIU To: GIANNI3333@aol.com In-Reply-To: <65.16c359d6.28769c36@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] oh no, it's the superglued cat ass again [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) NOT junk mail! for the 32634768nd time: http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?85267 sometimes I wonder if anyone ever *READS* these lists anymore.... On another note, my cat's doing well, after almost 2 months in the mayo jar. Her name is fifi. :S1lviu --- GIANNI3333@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi, friends: > > > To anyone that feel some love or respect for any > form > > > of life... What follows may be hard to believe. > > > Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi > war > > > criminal, once said: > > > > > > "The more we do, the less you seem to believe > it". > > > > > > There is a Japanese man living in New York that > sells "BONSAI CATS". > > The > > guy > > > puts the kittens in glass bottle then puts a > probe in their > > > anus that gets out from a gap in the bottle to > dispense their urine > > and > > > faeces. For the kittens to take the bottle > shape, they are fed with > > > chemicals to melt the bones. Then he keeps the > cats for as long as > > they > > can > > > survive.They can't move, walk or clean up. He > calls this "art". > > > This cruelty is the last fashion in > NYC,China,Indonesia, New Zeland, > > because > > > is a "decoration pet". If you want more > information take a > > > look in this site: > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bkmethod.html > > > , and the babies into of a > > > glass bottle in > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/gray.html > > > and > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bnw.html > > > > > > We are making a list to sent to Animals > Protection > > > Association in USA and Mexico, and to TV news, > to? stop this. We call > > out > > to > > > anybody that loves cats or just has basic > respect for LIFE > > > please put your name in the end of this list, > then forward this e-mail > > to > > > anyone you can think of. If in the list you find > more than 500 > > > names, please send a copy to > anacheca@hotmail.com We are very > > > thankfull to your help and we ask you to send > this e-mail. > > > > > > 1.- Ana Checa M?xico, D.F.. > > > 2.- Manolo Aller M?xico D.F.. > > > 3.- Alberto Huerta M?xico D.F.. > > > 4.- Manuel Guti?rrez M?xico DF > > > 5.- Marco Zapata Madrid > > > 6.- Teresa Morato M?xico D.F.. > > > 7.- Ximena Goyenechea M?xico D.F. > > > 8.- Larissa Lara M?xico D.F.. > > > 9.- Marina Arencibia Venezuela > > > 10.- Ana Maria Carvajal Venezuela > > > 11.- Edgard D'Angelo Venezuela > > > 12.- Claudia Marquez Venezuela > > > 13.- Derek Ludovic Venezuela > > > 14.- Rodolfo Placencia Venezuela > > > 15.- Marbella Caceres Venezuela > > > 16.- Maria Cristina Caceres Venezuela > > > 17.- Ana C.? Castro venezuela > > > 18.- Victoria Sanchez, Venezuela > > > 19.- Maria Editha Valdeavellano, Chile > > > 20.- Patricio Valdeavellano, Chile > > > 21.- Reinaldo Lopez, Venezuela > > > 22.- Paula Aedo, Chile > > > 23.- Constanza Carrasco, Chile. > > > 24.- Cecilia Noton, Chile > > > 25.- Carlos Eduardo Briones Bolbaran, Chile > > > 26.- Ximena Alejandra Briones Bolbaran, Chile > > > 27.- Pamela Andrea Roa Alarcon, Chile > > > 28.- Gabriela Beatriz Christiny Guajardo, Chile > > > 29.- Magdalena Amenabar Iniguez, Chile > > > 30.- Indra Soledad Kleinhempel Valladares, Chile > > > 31.- Monica Marisol Moreno Muga,Chile > > > 32.- Pilar Rebolledo, Chile > > > 33.- Andrea Villagra, Chile > > > 34.- Claudia Jerez, Chile > > > 35.- Erna Zagal ,Chile > > > 36.- Andrea Munoz, Chile > > > 37.- Jacqueline Mateluna, Chile > > > 38.- Beatriz Crovetto, Chile > > > 39.- Carinne Santana, Chile > > > 40.- Ang?lica Benda?a, Chile > > > 41.- Isabel Olivares, Chile > > > 42.- Max Aguilera, Chile > > > 43.- Mar?a Jos? Molina, Chile > > > 44.- Alejandra Fuentealba, Chile > > > 45.- Tamara Huanquel, Chile. > > > 46.- Paulina Garc?s, Chile > > > 47.- Carmen Gloria Mu?oz, Chile > > > 48.- Mar?a Soledad Cofr?, Chile > > > 49.- Sergio Antoine, Chile > > > 50.- Maria Jose Espinoza, Chile > > > 51.- Alejandra Bauerle, Chile > > > 52.- Ximena Chau, Chile > > > 53.- Doris Rubio,Chile > > > 54.- Heidi Acevedo,Chile > > > 55.- Claudia Acevedo,Chile > > > 56.- Maria Elena Vergara, Chile > > > 57.- Sandra Soto > > > 58.- Elizabeth Molina > > > 59.- Paula Rios > > > 60.- Rodrigo Gajardo > > > 61.- Andrea Solari > > > 62.- Paula Baranda > > > 63.- Guillermina de la Jara > > > 64.- Monserrat Gajardo > > > 65.- Paola Croma > > > 66.- Erika Leiva > > > 67.- Luis Bravo > > > 68.- Ximena Cruz, Chile > > > 69.- Marcela Serey, Chile > > > 70.- Ismael Serey, Chile > > > 71.- Luisa Torres, Chile > > > 72.- Luis G?mez, Chile > > > 73.- Loreto Valenzuela, Chile > > > 74.- Lorena Tapia, Chile > > > 75.- Antonia Fortt, Chile > > > 76.- Fernando A.? Vivanco, Wisconsin, USA > > > 77.- Gisela Le?n, Chile > > > 78.- Andrea Le?n, Chile > > > 79.- Lorena Calleja, Chile. > > > 80.- Rossana Cerecera, Chile. > > > 81.- HUGO VERA,CHILE > > > 82.- Elena Mena,Puerto Rico > > > 83.- Vangie Vall?s - Puerto Rico > > > 84. Ana Maria Alvarez Carta?a -Puerto Rico > > > 85.- KARINNA RODR?GUEZ,MONTEVIDEO - URUGUAY > > > 86.- Antonio Viera Vecchio, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > 87.- Carlos Vigliola, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > 88.- Jorge Savecki, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > 89.- Bianca Koch, S?o Paulo, BRASIL > > > 90.- Evandro Cordova da Silva, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > > 100.- Rodrigo Bertolani, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > > 101 Ricardo Leonardi Fernandes, S?o Paulo, > Brasil > > > 102- Daniella Costa Neri - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > > 103- Patricia R. Futema - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > > 104- Adelina Louren?o de Oliveira - S?o Paulo - > > > Brasil > > > 105- Maria Cristina R. Mucciolo - S?o Paulo - > Brasil > > > 106- Caroline Bittencourt - SP _ BRASIL > > > 107 - Rodrigo Ceriquera - SP _Brasil > > > 108 - Caroline Musselli - SP - Brasil > > > 109 - Andrea Corr?a - SP - Brasil > > > 110 - Adriane Costa e Rocha Ciaffone - SP - > Brasil > > > 111- Daniela Siqueira Costa e Rocha- SP- Brasil > > > 112 - Cl?udia Eliana Perin Bertoni - SP - Brasil > > > 113 - Anna Paula de Britto Colacino - SP - > Brasil > > > 114 - Michelle Susan Wright - SP - Brasil > > > 115 - Fl?via Cordovil - SP - Brasil > > > 116 - Regina Rodrigues - SP - Brasil > > > 117 - Elizabeth M-Ramalho MI - US > > > 118- Gerson Amado - SP _ Brasil > > > 119- Gislene Guimar?es- SP_Brasil > > > 120- Fabiano Tricarico - SP_Brasil > > > 121- JORGE FALC?O-BA-Brasil > > > 122- Jacques Chachamovitz-SP-Brasil > > > 123- Thais Helena Medeiros-SP-Brasil > > > 124- Sandra Regina Miguel - SP - Brasil > > > 125- Kelly Cristina Brito- Brasil > > > 126- Daniela Marques Silva - Brasil > > > 127- Camila do Nascimento - Brasil > > > 128- Eliane de Lima Davrius-Brasil > > > 129 - Elaine Jord?o - S?o Paulo - Brazil > > > 130 - Sylvia & Allan Outrup - Denmark > > > 131 - Lisa Hoej - Denmark > > > 132- Preben Haagensen- Danmark > > > 133 - Susanne Hansen - Denmark > > > 134 - Tanja Petersen - Denmark > > > 135 - Malene Thykj?r - Denmark > > > 136 - Victor & Olga Platushyn - Ukraine > > > 137 - Elaine Jord?o > > > 138. Magdalena Szymanska - Poland > > > 139. Anna Glowacka -Poland > > > 140. Lidka i Waldek Baesler -Poland > > > 141. Katarzyna Kuligowska - Poland > > > 142. Dr.Lena Preisler- Israel > > > 143. Dr.Eyal Preisler- Israel > > > 144. Dana Segal - Israel > > > 145. Tali S - Israel > > > 146. Yifat Cnaan - Israel > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68095-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 08:27:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22446 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 08:27:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22316 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 08:27:24 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.122] From: "Luis Solis" To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, scr@socal-raves.org, dcraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 03:26:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 08:26:53.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[695A0C40:01C105F5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MENTAL WARFARE TOUR 2001 THE AGENCY 7130 S. Ridgeway Chicago IL. 60629 The Agency Presents: MENTAL WARFARE TOUR SEPT - NOV 2001 PRESYCE, Turntable Technicians, 101 Crew, Molemen Having recently torn the house down at the 2001 NY DMC regional at Irving Plaza, PreSyCe, hailing out of Chi-town, is the newest member of the Turntable Technicians. This guy has been wrecking decks for some time now and definitely showed people what time it was when he proceeded to travel to a harder regional (most people go to weaker regional), and bring home the trophy placing him in the US DMC finals for a second time. Some of his Accomplishments include: 2001 NY DMC Champion, 2000 East Coast ITF Champion, 2000 Scribble Jam Champion, 1999 Scribble Jam Champion, 1998 Scribble Jam Champion 1998 US DMC finalist, 1998 Chicago DMC Champion, Currently is djaying for the Hip Hop groups: Atmosphere and Mass Hysteria, Notable Performances: Tableturns Vermont (which included Rho, P-trix, Klever, and more) Tabletruns 4 year Anniversary: (Included Q-bert,D-styles,Babu,Melo-D,Scratch Perverts, The Allies,X-ecutioners) was part of the "Funky Slow" group that was put together for the night Funky Slow-styles,Relm,Babu,and Presyce. Also will be competing in the INNOVATIONAL only battle, The Allies` ALL STAR BEATDOWN in NYC on JULY 20th, 2001. Chicago's #1 Turntablist. http://www.turntabletechnicians.com/ www.molemen.com DELTA9, Industrial Strength, UC MUSIC, SHR, PSYCHOTIK Records Delta 9 has hands down become America's top Harcore dj/ producer. He has been releasing material since 1993 on American and European labels and has also remixed bands on major labels such as Corrosion Of Conformity/ SONY, NAPALM DEATH / EARACHE, AND MGMS / INTERSCOPE. Delta 9 has headlined all over the US as well as the Netherlands, France, Germany, Italy, England, Scotland, Austria, Canada, Japan, and switzerland, and that's just to name a few. Delta 9's Style is an innovative mix of newstyle/ and Hardcore proven to pack the dancefloor..HARDEST OF THE HARD. THERE IS NO OTHER! WATCH FOR UPCOMING RELEASES ON DELTA 9'S NEW LABEL 'PSYCHOTIK' RECORDINGS SUBMERGE101, EPM Records, The Seventh Sign. Chicago's leading techno dj, A sound best described as, dark, hard pounding, and energetic. His electrifying sound will cause an adrenaline rush through your whole body. If you have not yet witnessed his dj sets you are in for a big surprise. Just coming off his tour with dj/producers from Sweden Headroom and Slobodan (Planet Ryhthm's Refuse and Resist Tour). Known for his scratching abilities, 3 tables, back spinning, and juggling, it's no wonder why Submerge is in constant demand all over the globe, often imitated never duplicated. His style consist of Latin, tribal, and funky hard techno. Orlando has already played abroad from Europe to Asia, Canada to Mexico and all over the United States, he has also performed alongside many artist such as: Rabbit in The Moon, Jeff Mills, Front 242, Armand Van Helden,Richie Hawtin, Just to name a few.This year will be one of Submerge's busiest year, as he has an upcoming CD, record release,and will also be playing over-seas once again this summer. You can check out his mixes at Submerge101.com FOR BOOKING AVAILABILITY Please email us at:Artistmanage5895@aol.com or reply at Mentalwarfare@hotmail.com Please include Date and Location or call Luis Solis @ THE AGENCY 773-884-0342 VM . 773-961-6105 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68096-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 08:32:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26858 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 08:32:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26831 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 08:32:09 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 01:33:27 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3077228007_27566" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SKILLS TONIGHT! 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(from Gianni) NOT junk mail! This has been going around for awhile. It's a hoax >From: GIANNI3333@aol.com >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Subject: [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) >NOT junk mail! >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:42:03 EDT > > > > Hi, friends: > > > To anyone that feel some love or respect for any form > > > of life... What follows may be hard to believe. > > > Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi war > > > criminal, once said: > > > > > > "The more we do, the less you seem to believe it". > > > > > > There is a Japanese man living in New York that sells "BONSAI CATS". > > The > > guy > > > puts the kittens in glass bottle then puts a probe in their > > > anus that gets out from a gap in the bottle to dispense their urine > > and > > > faeces. For the kittens to take the bottle shape, they are fed with > > > chemicals to melt the bones. Then he keeps the cats for as long as > > they > > can > > > survive.They can't move, walk or clean up. He calls this "art". > > > This cruelty is the last fashion in NYC,China,Indonesia, New Zeland, > > because > > > is a "decoration pet". If you want more information take a > > > look in this site: > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bkmethod.html > > > , and the babies into of a > > > glass bottle in > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/gray.html > > > and > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bnw.html > > > > > > We are making a list to sent to Animals Protection > > > Association in USA and Mexico, and to TV news, to? stop this. We call > > out > > to > > > anybody that loves cats or just has basic respect for LIFE > > > please put your name in the end of this list, then forward this e-mail > > to > > > anyone you can think of. If in the list you find more than 500 > > > names, please send a copy to anacheca@hotmail.com We are very > > > thankfull to your help and we ask you to send this e-mail. > > > > > > 1.- Ana Checa M?xico, D.F.. > > > 2.- Manolo Aller M?xico D.F.. > > > 3.- Alberto Huerta M?xico D.F.. > > > 4.- Manuel Guti?rrez M?xico DF > > > 5.- Marco Zapata Madrid > > > 6.- Teresa Morato M?xico D.F.. > > > 7.- Ximena Goyenechea M?xico D.F. > > > 8.- Larissa Lara M?xico D.F.. > > > 9.- Marina Arencibia Venezuela > > > 10.- Ana Maria Carvajal Venezuela > > > 11.- Edgard D'Angelo Venezuela > > > 12.- Claudia Marquez Venezuela > > > 13.- Derek Ludovic Venezuela > > > 14.- Rodolfo Placencia Venezuela > > > 15.- Marbella Caceres Venezuela > > > 16.- Maria Cristina Caceres Venezuela > > > 17.- Ana C.? Castro venezuela > > > 18.- Victoria Sanchez, Venezuela > > > 19.- Maria Editha Valdeavellano, Chile > > > 20.- Patricio Valdeavellano, Chile > > > 21.- Reinaldo Lopez, Venezuela > > > 22.- Paula Aedo, Chile > > > 23.- Constanza Carrasco, Chile. > > > 24.- Cecilia Noton, Chile > > > 25.- Carlos Eduardo Briones Bolbaran, Chile > > > 26.- Ximena Alejandra Briones Bolbaran, Chile > > > 27.- Pamela Andrea Roa Alarcon, Chile > > > 28.- Gabriela Beatriz Christiny Guajardo, Chile > > > 29.- Magdalena Amenabar Iniguez, Chile > > > 30.- Indra Soledad Kleinhempel Valladares, Chile > > > 31.- Monica Marisol Moreno Muga,Chile > > > 32.- Pilar Rebolledo, Chile > > > 33.- Andrea Villagra, Chile > > > 34.- Claudia Jerez, Chile > > > 35.- Erna Zagal ,Chile > > > 36.- Andrea Munoz, Chile > > > 37.- Jacqueline Mateluna, Chile > > > 38.- Beatriz Crovetto, Chile > > > 39.- Carinne Santana, Chile > > > 40.- Ang?lica Benda?a, Chile > > > 41.- Isabel Olivares, Chile > > > 42.- Max Aguilera, Chile > > > 43.- Mar?a Jos? Molina, Chile > > > 44.- Alejandra Fuentealba, Chile > > > 45.- Tamara Huanquel, Chile. > > > 46.- Paulina Garc?s, Chile > > > 47.- Carmen Gloria Mu?oz, Chile > > > 48.- Mar?a Soledad Cofr?, Chile > > > 49.- Sergio Antoine, Chile > > > 50.- Maria Jose Espinoza, Chile > > > 51.- Alejandra Bauerle, Chile > > > 52.- Ximena Chau, Chile > > > 53.- Doris Rubio,Chile > > > 54.- Heidi Acevedo,Chile > > > 55.- Claudia Acevedo,Chile > > > 56.- Maria Elena Vergara, Chile > > > 57.- Sandra Soto > > > 58.- Elizabeth Molina > > > 59.- Paula Rios > > > 60.- Rodrigo Gajardo > > > 61.- Andrea Solari > > > 62.- Paula Baranda > > > 63.- Guillermina de la Jara > > > 64.- Monserrat Gajardo > > > 65.- Paola Croma > > > 66.- Erika Leiva > > > 67.- Luis Bravo > > > 68.- Ximena Cruz, Chile > > > 69.- Marcela Serey, Chile > > > 70.- Ismael Serey, Chile > > > 71.- Luisa Torres, Chile > > > 72.- Luis G?mez, Chile > > > 73.- Loreto Valenzuela, Chile > > > 74.- Lorena Tapia, Chile > > > 75.- Antonia Fortt, Chile > > > 76.- Fernando A.? Vivanco, Wisconsin, USA > > > 77.- Gisela Le?n, Chile > > > 78.- Andrea Le?n, Chile > > > 79.- Lorena Calleja, Chile. > > > 80.- Rossana Cerecera, Chile. > > > 81.- HUGO VERA,CHILE > > > 82.- Elena Mena,Puerto Rico > > > 83.- Vangie Vall?s - Puerto Rico > > > 84. Ana Maria Alvarez Carta?a -Puerto Rico > > > 85.- KARINNA RODR?GUEZ,MONTEVIDEO - URUGUAY > > > 86.- Antonio Viera Vecchio, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > 87.- Carlos Vigliola, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > 88.- Jorge Savecki, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > 89.- Bianca Koch, S?o Paulo, BRASIL > > > 90.- Evandro Cordova da Silva, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > > 100.- Rodrigo Bertolani, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > > 101 Ricardo Leonardi Fernandes, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > > 102- Daniella Costa Neri - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > > 103- Patricia R. Futema - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > > 104- Adelina Louren?o de Oliveira - S?o Paulo - > > > Brasil > > > 105- Maria Cristina R. Mucciolo - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > > 106- Caroline Bittencourt - SP _ BRASIL > > > 107 - Rodrigo Ceriquera - SP _Brasil > > > 108 - Caroline Musselli - SP - Brasil > > > 109 - Andrea Corr?a - SP - Brasil > > > 110 - Adriane Costa e Rocha Ciaffone - SP - Brasil > > > 111- Daniela Siqueira Costa e Rocha- SP- Brasil > > > 112 - Cl?udia Eliana Perin Bertoni - SP - Brasil > > > 113 - Anna Paula de Britto Colacino - SP - Brasil > > > 114 - Michelle Susan Wright - SP - Brasil > > > 115 - Fl?via Cordovil - SP - Brasil > > > 116 - Regina Rodrigues - SP - Brasil > > > 117 - Elizabeth M-Ramalho MI - US > > > 118- Gerson Amado - SP _ Brasil > > > 119- Gislene Guimar?es- SP_Brasil > > > 120- Fabiano Tricarico - SP_Brasil > > > 121- JORGE FALC?O-BA-Brasil > > > 122- Jacques Chachamovitz-SP-Brasil > > > 123- Thais Helena Medeiros-SP-Brasil > > > 124- Sandra Regina Miguel - SP - Brasil > > > 125- Kelly Cristina Brito- Brasil > > > 126- Daniela Marques Silva - Brasil > > > 127- Camila do Nascimento - Brasil > > > 128- Eliane de Lima Davrius-Brasil > > > 129 - Elaine Jord?o - S?o Paulo - Brazil > > > 130 - Sylvia & Allan Outrup - Denmark > > > 131 - Lisa Hoej - Denmark > > > 132- Preben Haagensen- Danmark > > > 133 - Susanne Hansen - Denmark > > > 134 - Tanja Petersen - Denmark > > > 135 - Malene Thykj?r - Denmark > > > 136 - Victor & Olga Platushyn - Ukraine > > > 137 - Elaine Jord?o > > > 138. Magdalena Szymanska - Poland > > > 139. Anna Glowacka -Poland > > > 140. Lidka i Waldek Baesler -Poland > > > 141. Katarzyna Kuligowska - Poland > > > 142. Dr.Lena Preisler- Israel > > > 143. Dr.Eyal Preisler- Israel > > > 144. Dana Segal - Israel > > > 145. Tali S - Israel > > > 146. Yifat Cnaan - Israel > > > 147. Hollinger Ronit - Israel > > > 148. Tomer Shmaya - Israel > > > 149. Ido Dovrath - Israel > > > 150. Dror Salee - Israel > > > 151. Einat Lachover - Israel > > > 152. Keren Mandelbaum - Israel > > > 153. Yael Pritch - Israel > > > 154. Ilana Kedar - Israel > > > 155. Michal Weiselberg - israel > > > 156. Chava Steiner - Israel > > > 157. Mickey Steiner - Israel > > > 158. Tammy Carmel - Israel > > > 159. Ruthie Vollweiler - Israel > > > 160. Shai Hakim - Israel > > > 161. Ilana Bineli - Israel. > > > 162. Tehila Cohen, Israel. > > > 163. Eran Hazoum, Israel. > > > 164. Deby Varsichky > > > 165. Hadas Schwartz-Israel > > > 166. Ronen Rouach. > > > 167. Edna Bahalul. > > > 168. Tammy Hershkovitz. > > > 167. yael hershkovits > > > 169. Ofer Sarig - Israel (In the name of my cat > > > "kisinger") > > > 170. Hilah Gal > > > 180. Pazit Libros (And Shmulik the cat!!!) > > > 181. Gidi Zaiger-Israel > > > 182. Kirill Skomorovski > > > 183. Elena Shaldybina- Israel > > > 184. Nadri Carmit - Israel > > > 185. Tamar Nadari - The Netherlands > > > 186. Sara Rzayeva-Azerbaijan > > > 187. Omer Dolek - This planet > > > 188. Oyku Iyigun - Turkey > > > 89. Deniz Ergene - Turkey > > > 190. Ayça Öztürk - Turkey > > > 191. Ladin Karatyli - Turkey > > > 192. Ece Agabeyoglu - Turkey > > > 193. Ilbeyi Agabeyoglu - Turkey > > > 194. M. Rauf Yektay - Turkey > > > 195. Nuran Yektay - Turkey > > > 196. Seda Irengu - Turkey > > > 197. M.Sevil Irengu - Turkey > > > 198. Enis ULUS - Turkey > > > 199. Ozgur Ulus - TURKEY > > > 200. Ozlem Ulus- Turkey > > > 201. Funda ESEN - Turkey > > > 202. Alice A. HANSSON - Turkey > > > 203. Osman Ergün Arpaci - Turkey > > > 204. Banu Arpaci - Turkey > > > 205. Erdal Tokcan - Turkey > > > 206. Neslihan Tokcan - Turkey > > > 207. Rina Levi - Turkey > > > 208. Keti Levi - Turkey > > > 209. Aylin Irzik - Turkey > > > 210. Eylem Demirci- Turkey > > > 211. M.Sinan Ozden (and Muhtar the cat!!!)- Turkey > > > 212. Demir Devecigil - Turkey > > > 213. Pynar Aypek Türker - Turkey > > > 214. Hilal Ozcan- Turkey > > > 215. Müge ener - Turkey > > > 216. Esra CIFTELERLI - San Diego > > > 217. Gozde VARDAR - San Diego, CA USA > > > 218. Irmak UNAL - San Francisco, CA > > > 219. Jasey McVicar, San Francisco, CA USA > > > 220. Boris Shmit, Aurora, CO USA > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68098-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 09:18:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44138 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 09:18:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44128 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 09:18:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706091827.64676.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 02:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: K Pentack To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:hoax/ PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) NOT junk mail! HELP! my brain has been kept in a little plastic box! help! --- His Highness wrote: > This has been going around for awhile. It's a hoax > > >From: GIANNI3333@aol.com > >To: undisclosed-recipients:; > >Subject: [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop > this!!! (from Gianni) > >NOT junk mail! > >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:42:03 EDT > > > > > > Hi, friends: > > > > To anyone that feel some love or respect for > any form > > > > of life... What follows may be hard to > believe. > > > > Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi > war > > > > criminal, once said: > > > > > > > > "The more we do, the less you seem to believe > it". > > > > > > > > There is a Japanese man living in New York > that sells "BONSAI CATS". > > > The > > > guy > > > > puts the kittens in glass bottle then puts a > probe in their > > > > anus that gets out from a gap in the bottle to > dispense their urine > > > and > > > > faeces. For the kittens to take the bottle > shape, they are fed with > > > > chemicals to melt the bones. Then he keeps the > cats for as long as > > > they > > > can > > > > survive.They can't move, walk or clean up. He > calls this "art". > > > > This cruelty is the last fashion in > NYC,China,Indonesia, New Zeland, > > > because > > > > is a "decoration pet". If you want more > information take a > > > > look in this site: > > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bkmethod.html > > > > , and the babies into of a > > > > glass bottle in > > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/gray.html > > > > and > > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bnw.html > > > > > > > > We are making a list to sent to Animals > Protection > > > > Association in USA and Mexico, and to TV news, > to? stop this. We call > > > out > > > to > > > > anybody that loves cats or just has basic > respect for LIFE > > > > please put your name in the end of this list, > then forward this e-mail > > > to > > > > anyone you can think of. If in the list you > find more than 500 > > > > names, please send a copy to > anacheca@hotmail.com We are very > > > > thankfull to your help and we ask you to send > this e-mail. > > > > > > > > 1.- Ana Checa M?xico, D.F.. > > > > 2.- Manolo Aller M?xico D.F.. > > > > 3.- Alberto Huerta M?xico D.F.. > > > > 4.- Manuel Guti?rrez M?xico DF > > > > 5.- Marco Zapata Madrid > > > > 6.- Teresa Morato M?xico D.F.. > > > > 7.- Ximena Goyenechea M?xico D.F. > > > > 8.- Larissa Lara M?xico D.F.. > > > > 9.- Marina Arencibia Venezuela > > > > 10.- Ana Maria Carvajal Venezuela > > > > 11.- Edgard D'Angelo Venezuela > > > > 12.- Claudia Marquez Venezuela > > > > 13.- Derek Ludovic Venezuela > > > > 14.- Rodolfo Placencia Venezuela > > > > 15.- Marbella Caceres Venezuela > > > > 16.- Maria Cristina Caceres Venezuela > > > > 17.- Ana C.? 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Molina, Chile > > > > 44.- Alejandra Fuentealba, Chile > > > > 45.- Tamara Huanquel, Chile. > > > > 46.- Paulina Garc?s, Chile > > > > 47.- Carmen Gloria Mu?oz, Chile > > > > 48.- Mar?a Soledad Cofr?, Chile > > > > 49.- Sergio Antoine, Chile > > > > 50.- Maria Jose Espinoza, Chile > > > > 51.- Alejandra Bauerle, Chile > > > > 52.- Ximena Chau, Chile > > > > 53.- Doris Rubio,Chile > > > > 54.- Heidi Acevedo,Chile > > > > 55.- Claudia Acevedo,Chile > > > > 56.- Maria Elena Vergara, Chile > > > > 57.- Sandra Soto > > > > 58.- Elizabeth Molina > > > > 59.- Paula Rios > > > > 60.- Rodrigo Gajardo > > > > 61.- Andrea Solari > > > > 62.- Paula Baranda > > > > 63.- Guillermina de la Jara > > > > 64.- Monserrat Gajardo > > > > 65.- Paola Croma > > > > 66.- Erika Leiva > > > > 67.- Luis Bravo > > > > 68.- Ximena Cruz, Chile > > > > 69.- Marcela Serey, Chile > > > > 70.- Ismael Serey, Chile > > > > 71.- Luisa Torres, Chile > > > > 72.- Luis G?mez, Chile > > > > 73.- Loreto Valenzuela, Chile > > > > 74.- Lorena Tapia, Chile > > > > 75.- Antonia Fortt, Chile > > > > 76.- Fernando A.? Vivanco, Wisconsin, USA > > > > 77.- Gisela Le?n, Chile > > > > 78.- Andrea Le?n, Chile > > > > 79.- Lorena Calleja, Chile. > > > > 80.- Rossana Cerecera, Chile. > > > > 81.- HUGO VERA,CHILE > > > > 82.- Elena Mena,Puerto Rico > > > > 83.- Vangie Vall?s - Puerto Rico > > > > 84. Ana Maria Alvarez Carta?a -Puerto Rico > > > > 85.- KARINNA RODR?GUEZ,MONTEVIDEO - URUGUAY > > > > 86.- Antonio Viera Vecchio, Montevideo, > URUGUAY > > > > 87.- Carlos Vigliola, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > > 88.- Jorge Savecki, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > > 89.- Bianca Koch, S?o Paulo, BRASIL > > > > 90.- Evandro Cordova da Silva, S?o Paulo, > Brasil > > > > 100.- Rodrigo Bertolani, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > > > 101 Ricardo Leonardi Fernandes, S?o Paulo, > Brasil > > > > 102- Daniella Costa Neri - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > > > 103- Patricia R. Futema - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > > > 104- Adelina Louren?o de Oliveira - S?o Paulo > - > > > > Brasil > > > > 105- Maria Cristina R. Mucciolo - S?o Paulo - > Brasil > > > > 106- Caroline Bittencourt - SP _ BRASIL > > > > 107 - Rodrigo Ceriquera - SP _Brasil > > > > 108 - Caroline Musselli - SP - Brasil > > > > 109 - Andrea Corr?a - SP - Brasil > > > > 110 - Adriane Costa e Rocha Ciaffone - SP - > Brasil > > > > 111- Daniela Siqueira Costa e Rocha- SP- > Brasil > > > > 112 - Cl?udia Eliana Perin Bertoni - SP - > Brasil > > > > 113 - Anna Paula de Britto Colacino - SP - > Brasil > > > > 114 - Michelle Susan Wright - SP - Brasil > > > > 115 - Fl?via Cordovil - SP - Brasil > > > > 116 - Regina Rodrigues - SP - Brasil > > > > 117 - Elizabeth M-Ramalho MI - US > > > > 118- Gerson Amado - SP _ Brasil > > > > 119- Gislene Guimar?es- SP_Brasil > > > > 120- Fabiano Tricarico - SP_Brasil > > > > 121- JORGE FALC?O-BA-Brasil > > > > 122- Jacques Chachamovitz-SP-Brasil > > > > 123- Thais Helena Medeiros-SP-Brasil > > > > 124- Sandra Regina Miguel - SP - Brasil > > > > 125- Kelly Cristina Brito- Brasil > > > > 126- Daniela Marques Silva - Brasil > > > > 127- Camila do Nascimento - Brasil > > > > 128- Eliane de Lima Davrius-Brasil > > > > 129 - Elaine Jord?o - S?o Paulo - Brazil > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68099-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 09:37:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49304 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 09:37:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49294 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 09:37:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706093727.66416.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 02:37:27 -0700 (PDT) From: IT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Bonsai Kitten zey put ze little kitties in ze mayo jar... eeez terrible! terrible! --- Crazy Fox wrote: > > it's a joke. Please don't pass this angry petition > around any more. > see http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bonsai.htm > > >From: GIANNI3333@aol.com > >To: undisclosed-recipients:; > >Subject: [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop > this!!! (from Gianni) > >NOT junk mail! > >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:44:38 EDT > > > > > > Hi, friends: > > > > To anyone that feel some love or respect for > any form > > > > of life... What follows may be hard to > believe. > > > > Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi > war > > > > criminal, once said: > > > > > > > > "The more we do, the less you seem to believe > it". > > > > > > > > There is a Japanese man living in New York > that sells "BONSAI CATS". > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68100-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 11:48:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5222 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 11:48:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5212 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 11:48:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 04:43:39 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Fri) >Date: 6 Jul 2001 10:23:49 -0000 >To: List Member >Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact fc.network-help@listbot.com >From: "The FC Network" >Delivered-To: mailing list fc.network@listbot.com >Subject: [fc.network] FC Sporadic Announcement! >Status: U > >The FC Network - http://www.fuckedcompany.com > >--------------------------- ListBot Sponsor -------------------------- >Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Woohoo! > >So if you're in San Francisco, or CAN GET THERE on Tuesday, July 17 at >8:00 PM, you're invited to FUCKEDCOMPANY BASH 2001...! > >It's also the night before the Webby Awards so I know there will be some >people in town just for that... either to participate or to picket or >something. > >Okay to be honest, I'm gonna be in SF then cuz I'm going to the Webbys cuz >I'm nominated for an award (which i'm sure i'm gonna lose to theonion.com >but such is life. my life at least. blah) > >So for me it was either sit alone in the hotel room Tuesday night and >watch movies on SpectroVision (a.k.a. SPANKtroVision...) or have a drink >(read: smashed) with you, my cyber e-virtual freindoids...! > >neet-o, right? right! (that's like four exclamation points in one >newsletter! five.) > >When: >Tuesday, July 17, 8:00 PM till they drag me out. > >Where: >Cloud 9 >34 7th Street (between Market and Mission) >San Francisco, CA >Phone: 415-355-9991 > >About the place: >So in my quest or organize a big FC soiree, I was connected to these guys >in SF who own a bunch of clubs and bars n stuff. > >One of their new places that has yet to open, Cloud 9, is wacky, all white >and cloudy and apparently has a 7-FOOT CIRCULAR ROTATING BED where I >expect to get freeeekaayyy. or something. So anyway, they're opening it >early just for this. i'll say it again, wooohoo! > >If you were at the last FC gathering in SF, you'll be happy to know that >this place is bigger, so hopefully no line this time. Same level of >debauchery. maybe more :) > >So anyway, aww yeah let's rock out. > >Who's with me? > >rock on, >pud > >that's all this time. go here for the LATEST HAPPS, DEWD: >http://www.fuckedcompany.com/ > >This particular FC Sporadic is not copyrighted. Feel free to copy it, >publish it, tell friends you wrote it... tattoo it on your butt, etc. > > >______________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, write to fc.network-unsubscribe@listbot.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68101-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 12:54:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23253 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 12:54:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23243 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 12:54:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.172] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 05:52:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C105DF.E83FDD70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 12:53:45.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[B10F4990:01C1061A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] i.want.a.bonzai.kitten! ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C105DF.E83FDD70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want one of those cubist critters! you could stack em up like building = blocks and have countless hours of fun constructing different buildings = out of them! Children would be amused for hours with all the fuzzy = bricks. I want one of those mini elephants like in Jurassic Park the = original book. Remember Ingen brings this tiny elephant to a conference = and it will never grow more than 6 inches?? How cool would that be?? You = could make a town out of those bonzai kitten blocks for your mini = elepant to roam around in and possibly even demolish! Sounds like fun to = me =3DD ryan ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C105DF.E83FDD70-- From sfraves-return-68102-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 15:34:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29580 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 15:34:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29555 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 15:34:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:34:12 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 15:34:21.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[20E6DF10:01C10631] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (o0 House Madness 0o) 7.6 Circulation *bsp* Hey everyone, I hope you can make it out to Wave's tonight. Nothing special except for music, drinks, dance and friends. 7.6:::DJ's::: -SERGEROCKWELL (Clockwork events) -SHUBERT (SJ) -Jose Maria -Gabriel Moreno -O'Henry + more tba *21+ ,$5.00 cover *2 floors -patio under the stars -main floor *huge fully stocked bar *open guest list. respond privately. On the menu....Ecclectic house music to get your heart and body moving. Location: *65 Post St. Downtown SJ S.Bay come out and support the home team. Love, Respect, Unity Jose- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68103-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 15:37:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31800 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 15:37:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31789 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 15:37:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706153740.5789.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristie Ruiz To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] FWD: New Orleans Case Update Hey there everyone! Will, the head of the EM:DEF, sent out this update on the New Orleans rave promoters who were indicted under the "crackhouse law" a few months ago. Apparently, Rolling Stone's coverage of this case was incorrect. :-\ Although, the outcome is looking somewhat positive in out favor. :-) I'm working with an LA-based crew who is organizing a fundraising event for Donnie, who's legal bills are astronomical. If you're interested in helping, please contact me privately at kristier479@aol.com. This case is very crucial for our scene. Thanks! Much love, Kristie Forwarded message from William Patterson : To: pdf@topica.com From: William Patterson Subject: New Orleans case update Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:22:37 EDT Reply-to: pdf@topica.com For anyone following the case in New Orleans, there are a couple details worth noting: 1) Donnie did not enter the plea agreement that was entered by Robert and Brian. 2) The plea agreement will make the connection between pacifiers and glow sticks and chil rooms as paraphernalia much stronger, unless it is challenged, and 3) The legal bills Donnie has faced are very high, and still need to be raised Rolling Stone mistakenly reported that all men had been acquited. This is not accurate, and perhaps happened as a result of a misleading press release around the announcement of the plea. EM:DEF is commited to filing a challenge to the terms of the plea agreement once it is approved by the Federal Court judge on August 1st. At this point, the prosecutors and Robert and Brian's attorneys have agreed to terms. A judge must still approve the plea. Only once it is approved can the terms of the plea be challenged. Challenging the terms of the plea agreement will be considerably more affordable than a Federal trial would have been. Furthermore, noone will face prison sentences as a result of a loss at trial. Therefore, this solution is a good one. But, the case is far from over. EM:DEF continues to raise funds for legal bills, and to pay for a challlenge to the terms of the plea agreement, hopefully getting an injunction that will block enforcement of the plea terms. This would essentially reverse the Federal Government's claims that pacifiers and glow sticks are paraphernalia. To stay current on legal matters related to the New Orleans case, check out our web-site at http://www.emdef.org Warm regards, Will Patterson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68104-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 15:45:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37123 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 15:45:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37113 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 15:45:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [161.215.27.111] From: "Anthony F" To: arcissus@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 08:44:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 15:44:42.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[93159080:01C10632] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Green (N) My personal fav is, well, when I used travel by air, I didn't like to keep a pipe with me, so if I was staying in a hotel I'd just use sheets of paper ripped out of one of those Gideon bibles. The paper is fairly thin and lightweight, and doesn't taste TOO bad. I always went straight to Deuteronomy, since it's just a big list of things you shouldn't do. :) Anthony >From: "... ! ..." >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Green (N) >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:13:50 -0400 > >We solicit submissions on creative substitutions for rolling papers using >everyday household items. Bonus prize for the answer within arms length >from the couch. Offer good while supplies last.. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68105-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 15:53:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47185 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 15:53:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47175 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 15:53:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:52:59 -0700 Message-Id: <200107061552.IAA24519@mail9.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.20.226.66] From: "Goa Graver" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Depeche Mode tix Anyone have a lead on extra DM tix??????? Ill sell my soul. "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed is here in my arms.... Words are very unnecessary, they can only do harm." Depeche Mode, Enjoy the Silence ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68106-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 16:20:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68368 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 16:20:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68358 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 16:20:46 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:20:24 -0700 From: "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: istyly@lycos.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 12.22.57.2 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Speaking Of Eminem and D-12 The first person to email back what "exactly" D-12 means gets two free tix to Hotel Trance 4 HAve Fun! --- Thanks! 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Although there are only 6 members and each has an alter ego that counts as a member which makes 12. Brian purenrg@pacbell.net -----Original Message----- From: Istyly Productions Mailing list acct: [mailto:istyly@lycos.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:20 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Speaking Of Eminem and D-12 The first person to email back what "exactly" D-12 means gets two free tix to Hotel Trance 4 HAve Fun! --- Thanks! Please party and play safe. 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X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? I think your observations are good, interesting, and in no way contradicatory to previous post. But let me see if I can clarify that catergorization. We have: Hip-Hop == Realistic EDM == Idealistic In order to fully understand that comparison, you have to figure out your perspective. It sure rings true for me, so let me share my perspective. Hip-Hop, in my experience (I'm a huge Native Tongue fan (De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Jungle Brothers) as well as some other interesting stuff like The Roots, Poor Righteous Teachers, X-Clan, Public Enemy, even some NWA, waaaaaaay back in the day), has also been about the world as it is, telling a story of life, be it in the projects, or somewhere on Long Island, or the streets of LA. Doesn't really matter. It's art that's focused on the world that we live in. EDM has never been about this world. It's always (in my mind) been about a magical place that you can go to escape this world. Just the sounds say that to me; in good EDM, you hear things that you cannot identify, sounds that do not to seem to be of this world. It takes you someplace, someplace you've never seen but you know that you want to go. And that, my friends, sounds a lot like the classical vision of utopia, a place far better than this. Idealism at its best. :) [dank smoker ] > i like your take on things...i agree with much of what > you said except for one point. i still think hip hop > is idealistic. how could an art form be anything but > idealistic? it is part of the human condition to > always desire what is unattainable. to call something > "realistic" is to simply buy into the trap of > labeling. what is realistic to a hip hopper may be > totally off the wall to somebody who does not even > listen to music. take my grandpa for example. his > hearing is almost totally gone. he cannot even > converse through words anymore but it has become > unnecessary because in his old age he is content to > partake of the cup of life without his hearing. he can > see what people are doing, he can read their lips, he > can walk and breathe and give hugs to his > grandchildren. in his mind, a "realist" is somebody > who does the best he can with the gifts God has given > him. maybe im just reading too much into your use of > the word realist. i understand, im a hip hopper too. > i'll love it till the day i die, im just to the point > where music played by other people isnt a reliable > drug unless i take an interest in it. > --- blindspot wrote: > > > > Hip hop has the severity of the real to it, that > > raves simply lack. > > It also has recognition of the power to control. > > Raves hold the promise of fulfilling ideals of > > beauty whatever they > > may be for both for an individual and a group. Raves > > have the > > recognition of letting go (of control). > > > > Hip hop-realistic > > Raves -idealistic > > > > I, like most people, like healthy doses of both > > reality and idealism. > > Too much of one or the other leads to imbalance in > > the spirit. Hence > > Gangstas vs. Candy Kids and everybody whose got to > > chime in and say > > they either hate one or the other. It's not the > > people they hate > > though, it's the exteremes of what they symbolize. > > It's easier to see > > those extremes than it is to see those hazy > > undefined areas in the > > middle. -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68109-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 17:06:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11766 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 17:06:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11756 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 17:06:24 -0000 Message-ID: <034301c1063d$b8c03320$6cd0f7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: References: <20010705215442.86509.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> <20010706094001.D12215@nebcorp.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:04:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? And to think that this whole discussion started from a bitchfest about Coolworld.... It's really nice to see a flame war degenerate into an interesting thread for a change. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Gordon-Schlosberg" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? > I think your observations are good, interesting, and in no way > contradicatory to previous post. But let me see if I can clarify that > catergorization. > > We have: > > Hip-Hop == Realistic > EDM == Idealistic > > In order to fully understand that comparison, you have to figure out your > perspective. It sure rings true for me, so let me share my perspective. > > Hip-Hop, in my experience (I'm a huge Native Tongue fan (De La Soul, Tribe > Called Quest, Jungle Brothers) as well as some other interesting stuff > like The Roots, Poor Righteous Teachers, X-Clan, Public Enemy, even some > NWA, waaaaaaay back in the day), has also been about the world as it is, > telling a story of life, be it in the projects, or somewhere on Long > Island, or the streets of LA. Doesn't really matter. It's art that's > focused on the world that we live in. > > EDM has never been about this world. It's always (in my mind) been about a > magical place that you can go to escape this world. Just the sounds say > that to me; in good EDM, you hear things that you cannot identify, sounds > that do not to seem to be of this world. It takes you someplace, someplace > you've never seen but you know that you want to go. And that, my friends, > sounds a lot like the classical vision of utopia, a place far better than > this. Idealism at its best. :) > > > [dank smoker ] > > i like your take on things...i agree with much of what > > you said except for one point. i still think hip hop > > is idealistic. how could an art form be anything but > > idealistic? it is part of the human condition to > > always desire what is unattainable. to call something > > "realistic" is to simply buy into the trap of > > labeling. what is realistic to a hip hopper may be > > totally off the wall to somebody who does not even > > listen to music. take my grandpa for example. his > > hearing is almost totally gone. he cannot even > > converse through words anymore but it has become > > unnecessary because in his old age he is content to > > partake of the cup of life without his hearing. he can > > see what people are doing, he can read their lips, he > > can walk and breathe and give hugs to his > > grandchildren. in his mind, a "realist" is somebody > > who does the best he can with the gifts God has given > > him. maybe im just reading too much into your use of > > the word realist. i understand, im a hip hopper too. > > i'll love it till the day i die, im just to the point > > where music played by other people isnt a reliable > > drug unless i take an interest in it. > > --- blindspot wrote: > > > > > > Hip hop has the severity of the real to it, that > > > raves simply lack. > > > It also has recognition of the power to control. > > > Raves hold the promise of fulfilling ideals of > > > beauty whatever they > > > may be for both for an individual and a group. Raves > > > have the > > > recognition of letting go (of control). > > > > > > Hip hop-realistic > > > Raves -idealistic > > > > > > I, like most people, like healthy doses of both > > > reality and idealism. > > > Too much of one or the other leads to imbalance in > > > the spirit. Hence > > > Gangstas vs. Candy Kids and everybody whose got to > > > chime in and say > > > they either hate one or the other. It's not the > > > people they hate > > > though, it's the exteremes of what they symbolize. > > > It's easier to see > > > those extremes than it is to see those hazy > > > undefined areas in the > > > middle. > > -- > Ari there is no spoon > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68110-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 17:19:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17302 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 17:19:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17281 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 17:19:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:18:31 -0700 Message-Id: <200107061718.KAA21172@mail12.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [63.201.57.44] From: "*madhvi *" To: fuzzybunnies@yahoogroups.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [Fwd: [Fwd: [sflnc] Have YOU written to Jake McGoldrick yet??? Huh? Have you??]] >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:15:20 -0700 > "Madhvi Dalal" harmony@bluelight.nu > > >> SFLNC Information List SFLNC Information [sflnc] Have YOU written to Jake McGoldrick yet??? Huh? Have you??Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:46:33 -0700 >>Reply-To: info@sflnc.com >> >>We have one week to turn Supervisor McGoldrick around. If you have not yet >>written your letter or faxed your email to him, please do so today. And to >>those of you had volunteered to send stuff out on your email lists, please >>send it out today and remind them to speak their mind now! >> >>It does not matter if you live in San Francisco or not. >> >> >> >>Write anyway! Check our website for tools to help you communicate with him. >> >>In case you're just hearing about this, here is the background. >>Please do this before the week is up! There is another meeting >>scheduled for next week and we only have a few days to change his >>mind. >> >>At 10:37 AM -0700 6/27/01, SFLNC Information wrote: >>>On Tuesday, June 26, Supervisor Jake McGoldrick stalled Supervisor Chris >>>Daly's legislation to ease police restrictions on public dancing and >>>continued the item in committee for two weeks. McGoldrick said he wanted to >>>hear more from the Police and from a small band of vocal residents who have >>>actively fought to block San Francisco's late night and dance culture for >>>several years. >>> >>>It is imperative that you contact Supervisor McGoldrick's office and >>>respectfully explain that the police should not be in the business of >>>regulating and permitting dancing when there are already laws on the books >>>to regulate general entertainment. San Francisco has a long history of deep >>>respect for human and civil rights. The right to dance free of interference >>>from the police should be one. >>> >>>Please contact Supervisor Jake McGoldrick at: >>> >>>Jake McGoldrick - District 1 >>>City Hall >>>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244 >>>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >>>(415) 554-7410 - voice >>>(415) 554-7415 - fax >>>Jake_McGoldrick@ci.sf.ca.us >>> >>>DO NOT JUST SEND EMAIL! Supervisor's offices are swamped and email is often >>>overlooked in favor of more engaging communication such as faxes, phone >>>calls and letters. If you email Supervisor McGoldrick, please take the time >>>to either fax or snail mail a printed version of your email. >>> >>>WE NEED YOUR HELP TO WIN THIS FIGHT!!! >>> >>>Find out the background of this legislation proposal on our website: >>> >>>http://www.sflnc.com/Pages/dancehall1.html >> >>-- >>join our list by sending an email message to sflnc-subscribe@topica.com >>to be removed from this list, send an email to sflnc-unsubscribe@topica.com >>you may also receive this email in digest form by signing up at topica.com and setting your preferences accordingly. >>http://www.sflnc.com >> >>==^================================================================ >>EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8PJJ.bAq4RI >>Or send an email To: sflnc-unsubscribe@topica.com >>This email was sent to: maenad@housemusic.com >> >>T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! >>http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register >>==^================================================================ >>We have one week to turn Supervisor McGoldrick around. If you have not >>yet >> >>written your letter or faxed your email to him, please do so today. And >>to >> >>those of you had volunteered to send stuff out on your email lists, >>please >> >>send it out today and remind them to speak their mind now! >> >> >>FFFF,0000,0000It >>does not matter if you live in San Francisco or not. >> >> >> >> >>Write anyway! Check our >>website for tools to help you communicate with him. >> >> >>In case you're just hearing about this, here is the background. Please >>do this before the week is up! There is another meeting scheduled for >>next week and we only have a few days to change his mind. >> >> >>At 10:37 AM -0700 6/27/01, SFLNC Information wrote: >> >>On Tuesday, June 26, Supervisor Jake McGoldrick stalled >>Supervisor Chris >> >>Daly's legislation to ease police restrictions on public dancing and >> >>continued the item in committee for two weeks. McGoldrick said he >>wanted to >> >>hear more from the Police and from a small band of vocal residents who >>have >> >>actively fought to block San Francisco's late night and dance culture >>for >> >>several years. >> >> >>It is imperative that you contact Supervisor McGoldrick's office and >> >>respectfully explain that the police should not be in the business of >> >>regulating and permitting dancing when there are already laws on the >>books >> >>to regulate general entertainment. San Francisco has a long history of >>deep >> >>respect for human and civil rights. The right to dance free of >>interference >> >>from the police should be one. >> >> >>Please contact Supervisor Jake McGoldrick at: >> >> >>Jake McGoldrick - District 1 >> >>City Hall >> >>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244 >> >>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >> >>(415) 554-7410 - voice >> >>(415) 554-7415 - fax >> >>Jake_McGoldrick@ci.sf.ca.us >> >> >>DO NOT JUST SEND EMAIL! 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If you email Supervisor McGoldrick, please take the >>time >> >>to either fax or snail mail a printed version of your email. >> >> >>WE NEED YOUR HELP TO WIN THIS FIGHT!!! >> >> >>Find out the background of this legislation proposal on our website: >> >> >>http://www.sflnc.com/Pages/dancehall1.html >> >> > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >House music all night long... >http://www.housemusic.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Everything starts with an E. http://www.bluelight.nu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68111-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 17:54:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40296 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 17:54:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40286 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 17:54:06 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:54:23 -0600 From: wishfm To: "John B." , CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010705201851.12716.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3077265264_93779_MIME_Part" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: What's the problem with hiphop? --MS_Mac_OE_3077265264_93779_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The connection? And, this is just naming a few off the top of my head... Kraftwerk = responsible for developing the modern electro form for everyone from Juan Atkins to The Egyptian Lover (arguably the ONLY musicians making hip hop without being influenced by it) Richard James, aka Aphex Twin = well documented hip hop influences throughout early 90's on everything from Selected Ambient Works to his more upfront breakbeat tracks Autechre = the most technical hip hop ever put on tape - competition battle Dj's Derrick Carter = First recorded works? All hip house, with darkish hip hop vocals... certainly not Gospel. Curtis Mantronix, aka Mantronix = prototype electronics merged with modern hip hop to create one of the great catalogs of dancefloor movers, ever. Renegade Soundwave = Influenced 4Hero amongst others with their dubby, breakbeat technofunk. It could be said that without 'Cocaine Sex' and the entire 'In Dub' album you might not ever have "Mr. Kirk's Nightmare"... neither songs contain lyrics for the squeamish, PLUR types, but nevertheless jumpstarted major movement in hip hop influenced electronic music. Public Enemy - mind boggling sample techniques, ultra motivating, yet controversial hip hop lyrics - crowned Worldwide by most older electronic musicians, as a supreme influence. Mark Farina = Albeit on the serious D.L., arguably, one of the best hip hop Dj's to ever walk this planet. Although he's not easily offended by the 'dirty' lyrics himself, he plays on the groovy, fun 'Tribe Called Quest' tip. Massive Attack, Tricky, The Wild Bunch = is hip hop, and electronica Juan Atkins, aka The Godfather of Detroit Techno = developed Techno out of experimental electro and hip hop ideas featured on the Electrifying Mojo radio show. The product? Critical electro artist, Cybertron. Do have any idea what it looked like seeing Public Enemy take the stage in Los Angles Ca., in 1988? P.E. dressed in their militant costumes, black gloved fists in the air...'EVERY future junglist, downtempo, techno and trance Dj I knew in L.A., all dancing furiously, four feet off the ground and sideways. Since when do we let lyrics get in the way of innovation, style and outrageous creativity? Have we become an exclusive scene? Or, is this still one world? wishfm From: "John B." Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) To: insomnia@ix.netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] RE: What's the problem with hiphop? Morgan Foust wrote: >There's been a whole lot of traffic >about Coolworld booking Eminem, Greg >attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, >b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole lot >of other negative things that go along >with hiphop. >We have a word for this kind of thinking: >racism. Erm... how is controversey about eminem being booked at cybertfest racist? Last I checked, he was white. Anyway *I* avoid the rap scene (what it's become these days) for the same reason that back when I was in full-out punk rock mode, I still avoided the skinhead scene. I'm not into the violence, the hate, the divisiveness. I didn't like it then, I don't like it now. I don't want to deal with the "artists" who preach to that scene, I don't want to deal with the members of the scene. And I'm not even making a blanket indictment of the ALL rap, only what it has become RECENTLY. Late '80s / early '90s rap was fun and entertaining. I'm talking Beastie Boys, Run DMC, Young MC, Fresh Prince and the like. THAT, I could listen to and have a good time. What I can't stand is what happened to hiphop in the late '90s, when it turned all thug life and gangster... when it turned into "I poped the pig with 10 caps from my nine and went home to smack up my bitch and hustle some chronic". >It's as if techno and hip-hop were >diametric opposites. It's funny that you put it that way. Because I had pretty concluded that they ARE diametric opposites. Not necessarily the music, but the philosophy, the scene. I had stayed out of this discussion so far, but your mentioning "diametric opposites" made me remember an earlier post by someone asking "how are we observing PLUR if we don't like thugs?" Well, what if PLUR were considered a summary of the rave scene's philosophy? How does the hiphop scene hold up? PEACE: Hm... east coast rap labels and west coast rap labels shooting it out like they were '20s Chicago mafaioso... Do the names 2pack, the notorious big, and shug knight ring a bell? Since we're talking about eminim specificlly... remember his pistol whipping incidents? What about back when he was publiclly talking about how much he wanted to "beat the shit out of" Shawn Fanning? When was the last time US and UK DJs got into a shooting match? LOVE: I invite you to listen to eminem's lyrics; not the sanitized "my name is" crap the MTV and the radio play. But the REST of his lyrics. I DARE you to tell me that the message there has ANYTHING to do with love. It sure sounds like HATEmongering to *me*. UNITY: Eh.. aforementioned wars between rap labels? Personal attacks between rappers in their lyrics. Sure, you can talk about dis-unity in the rave scene... junglists trashing kandy kids for example. But in the end, I've never seen idle talk such as that come to blows, much less gunplay. RESPECT: Again, listen to the lyrics. They regularly go on about how much they hate "fags", how women are nothing more than "bitches" or "hoes", how much they hate "whitey" (even when there are, in fact, white rappers?!?!?) Where is the respect in that scene? So, yeah... *I* would think that the two scenes ARE diametricly opposed. Not necessarily in the sounds of the music, but DEFINATELY in the ideals the scenes strive to live up to. Oh, and the music itslef... *I* just don't like it. I don't like the message it presents. I don't care for some fool screaming into the microphone over the music, talling the world how hardass a thug he is. Rappers are NOT "fighting for their right to party" or "busting a move" anymore. It's slow, depressing, nun-dancable, un-fun, crap about "busting caps in yo ass". I don't like it. I don't like the philosophy, or its adherenents any more than I liked the "nazi punks" that would occasionally bust out of their skinhead scene and infest regular punk and shows that ARE about unity... which is to say, not at all. My personal opinion is that the rave scene has enough of a bad reputation as a haven for drug use. I think that the LAST thing it needs is to invite in all the hatred, violence, homophobia, misogyny, and divisiveness of the rap scene. But hey, that's MY opinion. If you don't agree, *I*'m not going to stop you from going to all the hiphop shows you want. Just don't expect ME to subject MYSELF to that shadeyness. Hell, I hadn't planned on going to cyberfest BEFORE I heard that coolworld was subjecting everyone to eminem. And yes, I'm perfectly aware that this whole post could be read as being a big pile of disrespect towards the hiphop scene. It's one big "death to all fanatics" or "I hate intolerance" paradox. Go figure... I'm not going to try to reconcile it. I think my opinions are fully justified. And while there is a certian baseline respect that everyone deserves, to go above that baseline, IMO you have to EARN the additional respect. I see no way whatsoever that the rap scene has earned that additional respect. I'm just going to continue to seek the good vibes, and avoid the bad vibes and shadeyness. And if that offends you, I'm sorry. peace john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --MS_Mac_OE_3077265264_93779_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-68112-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 18:06:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49218 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 18:06:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49205 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 18:06:46 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matt & Stace Downer" To: , Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:06:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] New Orleans case update FREE COUNTRY MY ASS!!!!!!!! Total bullshit, I just read about this and had know idea it was going on. MattD -----Original Message----- From: Apollo [mailto:apollo@speakeasy.org] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 6:56 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] New Orleans case update For anyone following the case in New Orleans, there are a couple details worth noting: 1) Donnie did not enter the plea agreement that was entered by Robert and Brian. 2) The plea agreement will make the connection between pacifiers and glow sticks and chil rooms as paraphernalia much stronger, unless it is challenged, and 3) The legal bills Donnie has faced are very high, and still need to be raised Rolling Stone mistakenly reported that all men had been acquited. This is not accurate, and perhaps happened as a result of a misleading press release around the announcement of the plea. EM:DEF is commited to filing a challenge to the terms of the plea agreement once it is approved by the Federal Court judge on August 1st. At this point, the prosecutors and Robert and Brian's attorneys have agreed to terms. A judge must still approve the plea. Only once it is approved can the terms of the plea be challenged. Challenging the terms of the plea agreement will be considerably more affordable than a Federal trial would have been. Furthermore, noone will face prison sentences as a result of a loss at trial. Therefore, this solution is a good one. But, the case is far from over. EM:DEF continues to raise funds for legal bills, and to pay for a challlenge to the terms of the plea agreement, hopefully getting an injunction that will block enforcement of the plea terms. This would essentially reverse the Federal Government's claims that pacifiers and glow sticks are paraphernalia. To stay current on legal matters related to the New Orleans case, check out our web-site at http://www.emdef.org Warm regards, Will Patterson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68113-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 18:11:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58735 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 18:11:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58719 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 18:11:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.21] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:10:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 18:10:53.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[FED19530:01C10646] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP--DDR--LIVE ACID--7/11 AS I said, LIVE ACID PA BY DDR OF SMITTEN & STAY UP FOREVER! This is by your friendly neighborhood dj's at STEREOPHONIK! Its the one year anniversary so come down and hear the sounds of DDR, a man who has shaped the sound of techno and trance. Also, we will have stunning sets by Amber Keith Edwards vs. Damon Blair This will be at Stereophonik 417 S 1st St San Jose Ca 18 and up and a bar for the older folk. $7 dollars at the door. And remember to get there early, since its bound to fill up. See you there. Blair Stereophonik _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68114-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 18:44:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85808 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 18:44:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85798 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 18:44:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706184429.24454.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: wishfm , insomnia@ix.netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: What's the problem with hiphop? Ah, but we're talking about two entirely different things. You are talking about the possible musical influences between the two scenes, pointing out where some sounds may have crossed over. I never denied that, or even debated it. I was not talking about just the sounds, but the underlying philosophy that each scene advocates, the *MESSAGE* behind the music. cya john --- wishfm wrote: > The connection? And, this is just naming a few off the top of my head... > > > Kraftwerk = responsible for developing the modern electro form for everyone > from Juan Atkins to The Egyptian Lover (arguably the ONLY musicians making > hip hop without being influenced by it) > > Richard James, aka Aphex Twin = well documented hip hop influences > throughout early 90's on everything from Selected Ambient Works to his more > upfront breakbeat tracks > > Autechre = the most technical hip hop ever put on tape - competition battle > Dj's > > Derrick Carter = First recorded works? All hip house, with darkish hip hop > vocals... certainly not Gospel. > > Curtis Mantronix, aka Mantronix = prototype electronics merged with modern > hip hop to create one of the great catalogs of dancefloor movers, ever. > > Renegade Soundwave = Influenced 4Hero amongst others with their dubby, > breakbeat technofunk. It could be said that without 'Cocaine Sex' and the > entire 'In Dub' album you might not ever have "Mr. Kirk's Nightmare"... > neither songs contain lyrics for the squeamish, PLUR types, but nevertheless > jumpstarted major movement in hip hop influenced electronic music. > > Public Enemy - mind boggling sample techniques, ultra motivating, yet > controversial hip hop lyrics - crowned Worldwide by most older electronic > musicians, as a supreme influence. > > Mark Farina = Albeit on the serious D.L., arguably, one of the best hip hop > Dj's to ever walk this planet. Although he's not easily offended by the > 'dirty' lyrics himself, he plays on the groovy, fun 'Tribe Called Quest' > tip. > > Massive Attack, Tricky, The Wild Bunch = is hip hop, and electronica > > Juan Atkins, aka The Godfather of Detroit Techno = developed Techno out of > experimental electro and hip hop ideas featured on the Electrifying Mojo > radio show. The product? Critical electro artist, Cybertron. > > Do have any idea what it looked like seeing Public Enemy take the stage in > Los Angles Ca., in 1988? P.E. dressed in their militant costumes, black > gloved fists in the air...'EVERY future junglist, downtempo, techno and > trance Dj I knew in L.A., all dancing furiously, four feet off the ground > and sideways. > > Since when do we let lyrics get in the way of innovation, style and > outrageous creativity? > > Have we become an exclusive scene? Or, is this still one world? > > > wishfm > > > > From: "John B." > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) > To: insomnia@ix.netcom.com > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] RE: What's the problem with hiphop? > > > Morgan Foust wrote: > > >There's been a whole lot of traffic > >about Coolworld booking Eminem, Greg > >attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, > >b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole lot > >of other negative things that go along > >with hiphop. > > >We have a word for this kind of thinking: > >racism. > > Erm... how is controversey about eminem being booked at cybertfest racist? > Last I checked, he was white. > > Anyway *I* avoid the rap scene (what it's become these days) for the same > reason that back when I was in full-out punk rock mode, I still avoided the > skinhead scene. I'm not into the violence, the hate, the divisiveness. I > didn't like it then, I don't like it now. I don't want to deal with the > "artists" who preach to that scene, I don't want to deal with the members of > the scene. > > And I'm not even making a blanket indictment of the ALL rap, only what it > has > become RECENTLY. Late '80s / early '90s rap was fun and entertaining. I'm > talking Beastie Boys, Run DMC, Young MC, Fresh Prince and the like. THAT, I > could listen to and have a good time. What I can't stand is what happened > to > hiphop in the late '90s, when it turned all thug life and gangster... when > it > turned into "I poped the pig with 10 caps from my nine and went home to > smack > up my bitch and hustle some chronic". > > >It's as if techno and hip-hop were > >diametric opposites. > > It's funny that you put it that way. Because I had pretty concluded that > they > ARE diametric opposites. Not necessarily the music, but the philosophy, the > scene. I had stayed out of this discussion so far, but your mentioning > "diametric opposites" made me remember an earlier post by someone asking > "how > are we observing PLUR if we don't like thugs?" > > Well, what if PLUR were considered a summary of the rave scene's philosophy? > How does the hiphop scene hold up? > > PEACE: > Hm... east coast rap labels and west coast rap labels shooting it out like > they > were '20s Chicago mafaioso... Do the names 2pack, the notorious big, and > shug > knight ring a bell? Since we're talking about eminim specificlly... > remember > his pistol whipping incidents? What about back when he was publiclly > talking > about how much he wanted to "beat the shit out of" Shawn Fanning? > > When was the last time US and UK DJs got into a shooting match? > > LOVE: > I invite you to listen to eminem's lyrics; not the sanitized "my name is" > crap > the MTV and the radio play. But the REST of his lyrics. I DARE you to tell > me > that the message there has ANYTHING to do with love. It sure sounds like > HATEmongering to *me*. > > UNITY: > Eh.. aforementioned wars between rap labels? Personal attacks between > rappers > in their lyrics. > > Sure, you can talk about dis-unity in the rave scene... junglists trashing > kandy kids for example. But in the end, I've never seen idle talk such as > that > come to blows, much less gunplay. > > RESPECT: > Again, listen to the lyrics. They regularly go on about how much they hate > "fags", how women are nothing more than "bitches" or "hoes", how much they > hate > "whitey" (even when there are, in fact, white rappers?!?!?) Where is the > respect in that scene? > > So, yeah... *I* would think that the two scenes ARE diametricly opposed. > Not > necessarily in the sounds of the music, but DEFINATELY in the ideals the > scenes > strive to live up to. > > Oh, and the music itslef... *I* just don't like it. I don't like the > message > it presents. I don't care for some fool screaming into the microphone over > the > music, talling the world how hardass a thug he is. Rappers are NOT > "fighting > for their right to party" or "busting a move" anymore. It's slow, > depressing, > nun-dancable, un-fun, crap about "busting caps in yo ass". > > I don't like it. I don't like the philosophy, or its adherenents any more > than > I liked the "nazi punks" that would occasionally bust out of their skinhead > scene and infest regular punk and shows that ARE about unity... which is to > say, not at all. > > My personal opinion is that the rave scene has enough of a bad reputation as > a > haven for drug use. I think that the LAST thing it needs is to invite in > all > the hatred, violence, homophobia, misogyny, and divisiveness of the rap > scene. > > But hey, that's MY opinion. If you don't agree, *I*'m not going to stop you > from going to all the hiphop shows you want. Just don't expect ME to > subject > MYSELF to that shadeyness. Hell, I hadn't planned on going to cyberfest > BEFORE > I heard that coolworld was subjecting everyone to eminem. > > And yes, I'm perfectly aware that this whole post could be read as being a > big > pile of disrespect towards the hiphop scene. It's one big "death to all > fanatics" or "I hate intolerance" paradox. Go figure... I'm not going to > try > to reconcile it. I think my opinions are fully justified. And while there > is > a certian baseline respect that everyone deserves, to go above that > baseline, > IMO you have to EARN the additional respect. I see no way whatsoever that > the > rap scene has earned that additional respect. > > I'm just going to continue to seek the good vibes, and avoid the bad vibes > and > shadeyness. And if that offends you, I'm sorry. > > > peace > john > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68115-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 19:13:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9926 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 19:13:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9912 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 19:13:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [149.136.213.109] From: "Hobbit ." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:13:01 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 19:13:01.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD1EE270:01C1064F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: DDR (Dance Dance Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) I've seen kids playing this at arcades for a few months now, but I just tried it myself yesterday at Albany Bowl. One dollar for one game, and I'm hooked! This is worse than crack! Anyone know of this game? There's a platform you stand on with 4 arrows (up, down, left, right.) Arrows float up on the screen, and when they get to the top row, you step on the corresponding arrow (which flashes pink or blue) on the platform. Kinda like Simon(TM) on acid! Accompanied by a great "rave music" soundtrack, some people take this game seriously...once you master getting your balance and figuring out where the arrows are without looking down, you can really let loose and freestyle. Turns out there are all kinds of BBS's, chatrooms, and websites dedicated to this Japanese cult game. I was watching some quicktime videos of some dudes dancing in unison, using all parts of their bodies to hit the arrows...too cool! Well, now I know what I'm spending my lunch money on! Anyone else play this? Any tips for a beginner like me, so that my preciously earned money lasts a bit longer!? Have a great weekend, party safe! Hobbit >From: "John B." >To: wishfm , insomnia@ix.netcom.com >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] RE: What's the problem with hiphop? >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:44:29 -0700 (PDT) > >Ah, but we're talking about two entirely different things. > >You are talking about the possible musical influences between the two >scenes, >pointing out where some sounds may have crossed over. I never denied that, >or >even debated it. > >I was not talking about just the sounds, but the underlying philosophy that >each scene advocates, the *MESSAGE* behind the music. > > >cya >john > > >--- wishfm wrote: > > The connection? And, this is just naming a few off the top of my >head... > > > > > > Kraftwerk = responsible for developing the modern electro form for >everyone > > from Juan Atkins to The Egyptian Lover (arguably the ONLY musicians >making > > hip hop without being influenced by it) > > > > Richard James, aka Aphex Twin = well documented hip hop influences > > throughout early 90's on everything from Selected Ambient Works to his >more > > upfront breakbeat tracks > > > > Autechre = the most technical hip hop ever put on tape - competition >battle > > Dj's > > > > Derrick Carter = First recorded works? All hip house, with darkish hip >hop > > vocals... certainly not Gospel. > > > > Curtis Mantronix, aka Mantronix = prototype electronics merged with >modern > > hip hop to create one of the great catalogs of dancefloor movers, ever. > > > > Renegade Soundwave = Influenced 4Hero amongst others with their dubby, > > breakbeat technofunk. It could be said that without 'Cocaine Sex' and >the > > entire 'In Dub' album you might not ever have "Mr. Kirk's Nightmare"... > > neither songs contain lyrics for the squeamish, PLUR types, but >nevertheless > > jumpstarted major movement in hip hop influenced electronic music. > > > > Public Enemy - mind boggling sample techniques, ultra motivating, yet > > controversial hip hop lyrics - crowned Worldwide by most older >electronic > > musicians, as a supreme influence. > > > > Mark Farina = Albeit on the serious D.L., arguably, one of the best hip >hop > > Dj's to ever walk this planet. Although he's not easily offended by the > > 'dirty' lyrics himself, he plays on the groovy, fun 'Tribe Called Quest' > > tip. > > > > Massive Attack, Tricky, The Wild Bunch = is hip hop, and electronica > > > > Juan Atkins, aka The Godfather of Detroit Techno = developed Techno out >of > > experimental electro and hip hop ideas featured on the Electrifying Mojo > > radio show. The product? Critical electro artist, Cybertron. > > > > Do have any idea what it looked like seeing Public Enemy take the stage >in > > Los Angles Ca., in 1988? P.E. dressed in their militant costumes, black > > gloved fists in the air...'EVERY future junglist, downtempo, techno and > > trance Dj I knew in L.A., all dancing furiously, four feet off the >ground > > and sideways. > > > > Since when do we let lyrics get in the way of innovation, style and > > outrageous creativity? > > > > Have we become an exclusive scene? Or, is this still one world? > > > > > > wishfm > > > > > > > > From: "John B." > > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) > > To: insomnia@ix.netcom.com > > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [sfraves] RE: What's the problem with hiphop? > > > > > > Morgan Foust wrote: > > > > >There's been a whole lot of traffic > > >about Coolworld booking Eminem, Greg > > >attracting 'gangsta's by overpromoting, > > >b-boys, shady vibes, and a whole lot > > >of other negative things that go along > > >with hiphop. > > > > >We have a word for this kind of thinking: > > >racism. > > > > Erm... how is controversey about eminem being booked at cybertfest >racist? > > Last I checked, he was white. > > > > Anyway *I* avoid the rap scene (what it's become these days) for the >same > > reason that back when I was in full-out punk rock mode, I still avoided >the > > skinhead scene. I'm not into the violence, the hate, the divisiveness. >I > > didn't like it then, I don't like it now. I don't want to deal with the > > "artists" who preach to that scene, I don't want to deal with the >members of > > the scene. > > > > And I'm not even making a blanket indictment of the ALL rap, only what >it > > has > > become RECENTLY. Late '80s / early '90s rap was fun and entertaining. >I'm > > talking Beastie Boys, Run DMC, Young MC, Fresh Prince and the like. >THAT, I > > could listen to and have a good time. What I can't stand is what >happened > > to > > hiphop in the late '90s, when it turned all thug life and gangster... >when > > it > > turned into "I poped the pig with 10 caps from my nine and went home to > > smack > > up my bitch and hustle some chronic". > > > > >It's as if techno and hip-hop were > > >diametric opposites. > > > > It's funny that you put it that way. Because I had pretty concluded >that > > they > > ARE diametric opposites. Not necessarily the music, but the philosophy, >the > > scene. I had stayed out of this discussion so far, but your mentioning > > "diametric opposites" made me remember an earlier post by someone asking > > "how > > are we observing PLUR if we don't like thugs?" > > > > Well, what if PLUR were considered a summary of the rave scene's >philosophy? > > How does the hiphop scene hold up? > > > > PEACE: > > Hm... east coast rap labels and west coast rap labels shooting it out >like > > they > > were '20s Chicago mafaioso... Do the names 2pack, the notorious big, >and > > shug > > knight ring a bell? Since we're talking about eminim specificlly... > > remember > > his pistol whipping incidents? What about back when he was publiclly > > talking > > about how much he wanted to "beat the shit out of" Shawn Fanning? > > > > When was the last time US and UK DJs got into a shooting match? > > > > LOVE: > > I invite you to listen to eminem's lyrics; not the sanitized "my name >is" > > crap > > the MTV and the radio play. But the REST of his lyrics. I DARE you to >tell > > me > > that the message there has ANYTHING to do with love. It sure sounds >like > > HATEmongering to *me*. > > > > UNITY: > > Eh.. aforementioned wars between rap labels? Personal attacks between > > rappers > > in their lyrics. > > > > Sure, you can talk about dis-unity in the rave scene... junglists >trashing > > kandy kids for example. But in the end, I've never seen idle talk such >as > > that > > come to blows, much less gunplay. > > > > RESPECT: > > Again, listen to the lyrics. They regularly go on about how much they >hate > > "fags", how women are nothing more than "bitches" or "hoes", how much >they > > hate > > "whitey" (even when there are, in fact, white rappers?!?!?) Where is >the > > respect in that scene? > > > > So, yeah... *I* would think that the two scenes ARE diametricly >opposed. > > Not > > necessarily in the sounds of the music, but DEFINATELY in the ideals the > > scenes > > strive to live up to. > > > > Oh, and the music itslef... *I* just don't like it. I don't like the > > message > > it presents. I don't care for some fool screaming into the microphone >over > > the > > music, talling the world how hardass a thug he is. Rappers are NOT > > "fighting > > for their right to party" or "busting a move" anymore. It's slow, > > depressing, > > nun-dancable, un-fun, crap about "busting caps in yo ass". > > > > I don't like it. I don't like the philosophy, or its adherenents any >more > > than > > I liked the "nazi punks" that would occasionally bust out of their >skinhead > > scene and infest regular punk and shows that ARE about unity... which is >to > > say, not at all. > > > > My personal opinion is that the rave scene has enough of a bad >reputation as > > a > > haven for drug use. I think that the LAST thing it needs is to invite >in > > all > > the hatred, violence, homophobia, misogyny, and divisiveness of the rap > > scene. > > > > But hey, that's MY opinion. If you don't agree, *I*'m not going to stop >you > > from going to all the hiphop shows you want. Just don't expect ME to > > subject > > MYSELF to that shadeyness. Hell, I hadn't planned on going to cyberfest > > BEFORE > > I heard that coolworld was subjecting everyone to eminem. > > > > And yes, I'm perfectly aware that this whole post could be read as being >a > > big > > pile of disrespect towards the hiphop scene. It's one big "death to all > > fanatics" or "I hate intolerance" paradox. Go figure... I'm not going >to > > try > > to reconcile it. I think my opinions are fully justified. And while >there > > is > > a certian baseline respect that everyone deserves, to go above that > > baseline, > > IMO you have to EARN the additional respect. I see no way whatsoever >that > > the > > rap scene has earned that additional respect. > > > > I'm just going to continue to seek the good vibes, and avoid the bad >vibes > > and > > shadeyness. And if that offends you, I'm sorry. > > > > > > peace > > john > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68116-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 19:19:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15652 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 19:19:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15642 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 19:19:51 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.55.142.4] From: "Jason Dyloot" To: frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:19:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 19:19:22.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[9020E5F0:01C10650] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SKILLS DJ Showcase tonight... Hello everyone. Tonight @ FUTURTE Fridays... SKILLS DJ Showcase -FUN FUN FUN !!! 9:00 -10:15 ENEMY 10:15-11:30 ALIAS 11:30-12:45 TOM SLIK 12:45- 2:00 DYLOOT Doors open 9pm-2am 18+ w/ id, full bar for 21+ $10 before 10pm, $15 after Loacted in the basement of Maritime Hall 375 1st St. @ Harrison in SF. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68117-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 19:24:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21691 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 19:24:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21669 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 19:24:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706192425.56018.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Fraser To: GIANNI3333@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) NOT junk mail! There's one born EVVEERY minute.... :) Doug --- GIANNI3333@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi, friends: > > > To anyone that feel some love or respect for any > form > > > of life... What follows may be hard to believe. > > > Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi > war > > > criminal, once said: > > > > > > "The more we do, the less you seem to believe > it". > > > > > > There is a Japanese man living in New York that > sells "BONSAI CATS". > > The > > guy > > > puts the kittens in glass bottle then puts a > probe in their > > > anus that gets out from a gap in the bottle to > dispense their urine > > and > > > faeces. For the kittens to take the bottle > shape, they are fed with > > > chemicals to melt the bones. Then he keeps the > cats for as long as > > they > > can > > > survive.They can't move, walk or clean up. He > calls this "art". > > > This cruelty is the last fashion in > NYC,China,Indonesia, New Zeland, > > because > > > is a "decoration pet". If you want more > information take a > > > look in this site: > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bkmethod.html > > > , and the babies into of a > > > glass bottle in > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/gray.html > > > and > > > http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bnw.html > > > > > > We are making a list to sent to Animals > Protection > > > Association in USA and Mexico, and to TV news, > to? stop this. We call > > out > > to > > > anybody that loves cats or just has basic > respect for LIFE > > > please put your name in the end of this list, > then forward this e-mail > > to > > > anyone you can think of. If in the list you find > more than 500 > > > names, please send a copy to > anacheca@hotmail.com We are very > > > thankfull to your help and we ask you to send > this e-mail. > > > > > > 1.- Ana Checa M?xico, D.F.. > > > 2.- Manolo Aller M?xico D.F.. > > > 3.- Alberto Huerta M?xico D.F.. > > > 4.- Manuel Guti?rrez M?xico DF > > > 5.- Marco Zapata Madrid > > > 6.- Teresa Morato M?xico D.F.. > > > 7.- Ximena Goyenechea M?xico D.F. > > > 8.- Larissa Lara M?xico D.F.. > > > 9.- Marina Arencibia Venezuela > > > 10.- Ana Maria Carvajal Venezuela > > > 11.- Edgard D'Angelo Venezuela > > > 12.- Claudia Marquez Venezuela > > > 13.- Derek Ludovic Venezuela > > > 14.- Rodolfo Placencia Venezuela > > > 15.- Marbella Caceres Venezuela > > > 16.- Maria Cristina Caceres Venezuela > > > 17.- Ana C.? Castro venezuela > > > 18.- Victoria Sanchez, Venezuela > > > 19.- Maria Editha Valdeavellano, Chile > > > 20.- Patricio Valdeavellano, Chile > > > 21.- Reinaldo Lopez, Venezuela > > > 22.- Paula Aedo, Chile > > > 23.- Constanza Carrasco, Chile. > > > 24.- Cecilia Noton, Chile > > > 25.- Carlos Eduardo Briones Bolbaran, Chile > > > 26.- Ximena Alejandra Briones Bolbaran, Chile > > > 27.- Pamela Andrea Roa Alarcon, Chile > > > 28.- Gabriela Beatriz Christiny Guajardo, Chile > > > 29.- Magdalena Amenabar Iniguez, Chile > > > 30.- Indra Soledad Kleinhempel Valladares, Chile > > > 31.- Monica Marisol Moreno Muga,Chile > > > 32.- Pilar Rebolledo, Chile > > > 33.- Andrea Villagra, Chile > > > 34.- Claudia Jerez, Chile > > > 35.- Erna Zagal ,Chile > > > 36.- Andrea Munoz, Chile > > > 37.- Jacqueline Mateluna, Chile > > > 38.- Beatriz Crovetto, Chile > > > 39.- Carinne Santana, Chile > > > 40.- Ang?lica Benda?a, Chile > > > 41.- Isabel Olivares, Chile > > > 42.- Max Aguilera, Chile > > > 43.- Mar?a Jos? Molina, Chile > > > 44.- Alejandra Fuentealba, Chile > > > 45.- Tamara Huanquel, Chile. > > > 46.- Paulina Garc?s, Chile > > > 47.- Carmen Gloria Mu?oz, Chile > > > 48.- Mar?a Soledad Cofr?, Chile > > > 49.- Sergio Antoine, Chile > > > 50.- Maria Jose Espinoza, Chile > > > 51.- Alejandra Bauerle, Chile > > > 52.- Ximena Chau, Chile > > > 53.- Doris Rubio,Chile > > > 54.- Heidi Acevedo,Chile > > > 55.- Claudia Acevedo,Chile > > > 56.- Maria Elena Vergara, Chile > > > 57.- Sandra Soto > > > 58.- Elizabeth Molina > > > 59.- Paula Rios > > > 60.- Rodrigo Gajardo > > > 61.- Andrea Solari > > > 62.- Paula Baranda > > > 63.- Guillermina de la Jara > > > 64.- Monserrat Gajardo > > > 65.- Paola Croma > > > 66.- Erika Leiva > > > 67.- Luis Bravo > > > 68.- Ximena Cruz, Chile > > > 69.- Marcela Serey, Chile > > > 70.- Ismael Serey, Chile > > > 71.- Luisa Torres, Chile > > > 72.- Luis G?mez, Chile > > > 73.- Loreto Valenzuela, Chile > > > 74.- Lorena Tapia, Chile > > > 75.- Antonia Fortt, Chile > > > 76.- Fernando A.? Vivanco, Wisconsin, USA > > > 77.- Gisela Le?n, Chile > > > 78.- Andrea Le?n, Chile > > > 79.- Lorena Calleja, Chile. > > > 80.- Rossana Cerecera, Chile. > > > 81.- HUGO VERA,CHILE > > > 82.- Elena Mena,Puerto Rico > > > 83.- Vangie Vall?s - Puerto Rico > > > 84. Ana Maria Alvarez Carta?a -Puerto Rico > > > 85.- KARINNA RODR?GUEZ,MONTEVIDEO - URUGUAY > > > 86.- Antonio Viera Vecchio, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > 87.- Carlos Vigliola, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > 88.- Jorge Savecki, Montevideo, URUGUAY > > > 89.- Bianca Koch, S?o Paulo, BRASIL > > > 90.- Evandro Cordova da Silva, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > > 100.- Rodrigo Bertolani, S?o Paulo, Brasil > > > 101 Ricardo Leonardi Fernandes, S?o Paulo, > Brasil > > > 102- Daniella Costa Neri - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > > 103- Patricia R. Futema - S?o Paulo - Brasil > > > 104- Adelina Louren?o de Oliveira - S?o Paulo - > > > Brasil > > > 105- Maria Cristina R. Mucciolo - S?o Paulo - > Brasil > > > 106- Caroline Bittencourt - SP _ BRASIL > > > 107 - Rodrigo Ceriquera - SP _Brasil > > > 108 - Caroline Musselli - SP - Brasil > > > 109 - Andrea Corr?a - SP - Brasil > > > 110 - Adriane Costa e Rocha Ciaffone - SP - > Brasil > > > 111- Daniela Siqueira Costa e Rocha- SP- Brasil > > > 112 - Cl?udia Eliana Perin Bertoni - SP - Brasil > > > 113 - Anna Paula de Britto Colacino - SP - > Brasil > > > 114 - Michelle Susan Wright - SP - Brasil > > > 115 - Fl?via Cordovil - SP - Brasil > > > 116 - Regina Rodrigues - SP - Brasil > > > 117 - Elizabeth M-Ramalho MI - US > > > 118- Gerson Amado - SP _ Brasil > > > 119- Gislene Guimar?es- SP_Brasil > > > 120- Fabiano Tricarico - SP_Brasil > > > 121- JORGE FALC?O-BA-Brasil > > > 122- Jacques Chachamovitz-SP-Brasil > > > 123- Thais Helena Medeiros-SP-Brasil > > > 124- Sandra Regina Miguel - SP - Brasil > > > 125- Kelly Cristina Brito- Brasil > > > 126- Daniela Marques Silva - Brasil > > > 127- Camila do Nascimento - Brasil > > > 128- Eliane de Lima Davrius-Brasil > > > 129 - Elaine Jord?o - S?o Paulo - Brazil > > > 130 - Sylvia & Allan Outrup - Denmark > > > 131 - Lisa Hoej - Denmark > > > 132- Preben Haagensen- Danmark > > > 133 - Susanne Hansen - Denmark > > > 134 - Tanja Petersen - Denmark > > > 135 - Malene Thykj?r - Denmark > > > 136 - Victor & Olga Platushyn - Ukraine > > > 137 - Elaine Jord?o > > > 138. Magdalena Szymanska - Poland > > > 139. Anna Glowacka -Poland > > > 140. Lidka i Waldek Baesler -Poland > > > 141. Katarzyna Kuligowska - Poland > > > 142. Dr.Lena Preisler- Israel > > > 143. Dr.Eyal Preisler- Israel > > > 144. Dana Segal - Israel > > > 145. Tali S - Israel > > > 146. Yifat Cnaan - Israel > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68118-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 19:26:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27089 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 19:26:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27078 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 19:26:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.55.142.4] From: "Jason Dyloot" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:25:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 19:25:53.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[793E05B0:01C10651] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SERENITY, yip-yip, yipeee!! Hello-hello - This Saturday @ the Concourse in SF SERENITY -A Mystical Mayhem Adventure. I'll see you all there! Byefornow, Jason Dyloot oh yah, I'll be spinning from - 11-12:30 in the trance room _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68119-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 19:27:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28798 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 19:27:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28787 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 19:27:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706192735.69336.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:27:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Lala To: new-sfwow@yahoogroups.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, infosys_bayarea@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 1990 Honda Civic LX Sedan 4D- $2950OBO *********************************** 1990 Honda Civic LX Sedan 4D *********************************** Engine: 4-Cyl. 1.5 Liter Trans: 5 Speed Manual Drive: Front Wheel Drive Mileage: 110,000 VIN#: 1HGED3557LL017026 Equipment Grey Color Air Conditioning Power Steering Power Windows Power Door Locks Tilt Wheel Cruise Control AM/FM Stereo Cassette Blue Book Retail Price: $4,970 Asking Price: $2,950 OBO Oil change regularly; New brakes, New muffler system, just serviced (oil & lube, brake inspection, etc.) Running great! I am the second owner (I've had it since 1999) and the first one was very good to the car. I still have records from the first owner as well as my own records. Like any older car, a few things that are less than perfect, but you'll see from my service records that it's been pampered and it shows when you drive it. It's in great shape where it counts (engine, clutch, brakes, hoses, belts, etc.) It is a very dependable car and I love it. I sell this car because I bought a new one. If interested please reply to wwyy88@yahoo.com / 650-992-3110 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68120-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 19:30:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30765 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 19:30:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30753 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 19:30:46 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:41:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: COME-UNITY TONIGHT!!! TONIGHT!!! COME-UNITY......under the stars Tony - Simon - Jeno - Garth Cosmik Jason - Felix the Dog - Shobhan Gavan Duffy - Magnetic Poets live w/ Dj Bouyaka MISSION ROCK 817 China Basin - 10pm-4am - 21up w/id - 10 MALACHY ON HOUSE "When used with positive intention, Group energy has the potential to help restore the plan of Love on Earth...When you open your heart, and trust the whole group you dance with; when you feel love with everyone, and they return it, a higher vibration can be reached. This happens when a crowd is deep into the vibe of House...In the true sense of rhythmic movement, the effect is to align the physical, mental and emotional bodies with the Oneness of All that Is...Don't put out negative energy and feelings. Leave the old ways behind. Throw yourself into the winds of transformation and sow the seeds for a new world -- one where the human family is together again. When people respect each and care for each other as a community-organism...Spread the Peace!" Come join us for another evening of unity through house music and dance. Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68121-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 19:40:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43386 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 19:40:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43372 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 19:40:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: SF Raves List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] open decks this weekend? does anyone know of a small gathering with open tables or a house party in need of a dj? or even a house party in need of happening? let me know, im tryin to get out a lil this weekend but i dont want to go to a party, i got some new records and ill like to throw them around a bit though. so if anyone has any info let me know? thanks kenneth 408.390.7520 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68122-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 20:05:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60392 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 20:05:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60374 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 20:05:00 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.214.121.65] From: "Solmatic Records" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:04:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 20:04:32.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF000880:01C10656] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Joey Mazzola @ Serenity Bsp If you are going to Serenity, come in the main room from 10 til 11 and grab a free mix tape (if you like funky hard house with a dash of breaks) Have a great weekend !!! Joey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68123-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 20:06:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62164 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 20:06:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62153 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 20:06:57 -0000 To: "w00dy" Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:06:38 -0700 From: "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: Istyly@onebox.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 12.22.57.2 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Speaking Of Eminem and D-12 winner! yes folks the answer is D-12 Detroit Dirty Dozen 6 members with split personality Woody is the Winner. Send me your address and Ill send you the tix. send it private to --- Thanks! Please party and play safe. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68124-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 20:09:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64419 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 20:09:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64409 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 20:09:32 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:09:26 -0700 From: vix To: "Hobbit ." , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: DDR (Dance Dance Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Omigod, I can't believe I'm confessing to this... but... we have DDR for Playstation and both the soft (quiet) mats AND a full-sized hard-style arcade platform. They both have the lights of course. Here's my tip: check eBay for the mats and platforms, they're like a third the price. > I've seen kids playing this at arcades for a few months now, but I just > tried it myself yesterday at Albany Bowl. One dollar for one game, and I'm > hooked! This is worse than crack! > > Anyone know of this game? There's a platform you stand on with 4 arrows > (up, down, left, right.) Arrows float up on the screen, and when they get > to the top row, you step on the corresponding arrow (which flashes pink or > blue) on the platform. Kinda like Simon(TM) on acid! Accompanied by a > great "rave music" soundtrack, some people take this game seriously...once > you master getting your balance and figuring out where the arrows are > without looking down, you can really let loose and freestyle. Turns out > there are all kinds of BBS's, chatrooms, and websites dedicated to this > Japanese cult game. I was watching some quicktime videos of some dudes > dancing in unison, using all parts of their bodies to hit the arrows...too > cool! Well, now I know what I'm spending my lunch money on! > > Anyone else play this? Any tips for a beginner like me, so that my > preciously earned money lasts a bit longer!? > > Have a great weekend, party safe! > Hobbit --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68125-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 20:37:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86240 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 20:37:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86224 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 20:37:31 -0000 Date: 6 Jul 2001 13:37:02 -0700 Message-ID: <20010706203702.12512.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Jul 2001 20:37:02 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: tetsuya@space.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.3 X-Sent-From: tetsuya@space.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The thing is I like to take it almost every weekend now, and sometimes I would like to take it more than that. I have gone to the site "dancesafe.org" to try to find a safe dosage and the amount of time that one should wait between doing it, but have been unsuccessful. I would love if someone out there could give me an idea of how long one should wait and how much is too much. Thanks Soooo Much, Love to dance, n dance to love... Tet ___________________________________________________________________ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68126-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 20:44:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2095 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 20:44:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2057 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 20:44:42 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:44:26 -0700 From: "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: Istyly@onebox.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 12.22.57.2 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4 Info and Rumors hello everyone. ok to clear up any rumors about hotel trance take this email message as coming from the horse's mouth and print it out for furthur reference. Hotel Trance 4 will take place Saturday Aug 4th from 10pm-6am We have booked an east bay health club "Gym" for the venue. The permits have already been approved and the party will go on! The club is open to the public 24hrs a day six days a week so it was obviously not that hard to get permits approved and the owner took care of everything so again it was not that hard and YES the club will be closed that night so the venue is all ours. The venue is located in the east bay near dublin;pleasanton area. I cant give out the exact address im sure you can all understand the amount of phone calls the venue will receive. So with that in mind the party is open to all responsibe ages. We are using the basket ball court for the main room and the arobics room for the second room plus the club will be closed that night so its all ours! Each room is comfy and the entire party will accomadate about 800 people. Tickets are 19 bucks pre-sale and if they sell out the we will not have any door tickets for sale. If you dont get a pre-sale ticket then your welcome to call the hotlines listed below the morning of the party to find out about door tix. Now pre-sale tickets go on sale next saturday july 14th and the FIRST "THREE" TIX AT EACH PRE-SALE LOCATION ARE FREE so have fun. I hope this clears up any rumors and gives you enough info. You can also check out www.istylyproductions.com Info lines are (415) 820-3202 or (510) 496-6078 pre-sale tix at Skills in berkeley, F-8 in sf, Harmonics in santa rosa, Solid Grooves in san jose, Twilight Zone in hayward and Sticky Vinyl in Vallejo. Now as far as using your HOtel Trance 3 ticket? You would have had to send that ticket to us already. We have had info on our hotlines about your hotel trance 3 tickets since january and we asked everyone to send in their tickets and we got about 100 back in the mail and I sent out all the ht4 tickets along with the ht3 tickets out on monday. IF YOU STILL HAVE YOUR HT3 TICKETS YOU CAN NOT USE IT, we have already based our capacity on how many tix we got back in the mail so again IF YOU DID NOT SEND IN YOUR TICKET THEN YOU CANT USE IT. BUT...... we will still honor the tix but you will have to wait for our next event not HT4. If this upsets anyone im sorry but we have done more than enough to get the info out and the bottem line is we did follow through with our word. If you still have a ht3 ticket call (510) 402-2100 x 1495 ok hope to see you on the AUg 4th Please party safe so we can keep this 10-6 going. -Istyly!~ --- Thanks! Please party and play safe. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68127-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 20:52:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7683 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 20:52:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7670 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 20:52:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4624BB.C3BBC583@numenor.org> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:51:07 -0700 From: "Phillip A. Rzewski" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (NRR) Re: [sfraves] Bonsai Kitten No doubt. This bring back memories of "manbeef". But I do recommend reading the entire Snopes article, especially to find the link to "Mike the Headless Chicken". For the impatient, you can go straight to http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/ -- Phil Crazy Fox wrote: > it's a joke. Please don't pass this angry petition around any more. > see http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bonsai.htm > > >From: GIANNI3333@aol.com > >To: undisclosed-recipients:; > >Subject: [sfraves] PLEASE PLEASE read and help stop this!!! (from Gianni) > >NOT junk mail! > >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:44:38 EDT > > > > > > Hi, friends: > > > > To anyone that feel some love or respect for any form > > > > of life... What follows may be hard to believe. > > > > Please bear in mind that Dr.Mengele, the Nazi war > > > > criminal, once said: > > > > > > > > "The more we do, the less you seem to believe it". > > > > > > > > There is a Japanese man living in New York that sells "BONSAI CATS". > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68128-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 20:55:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14577 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 20:55:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14567 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 20:55:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.102.28] From: "veronica la rosa" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:55:12 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 20:55:13.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[F39F67C0:01C1065D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ascension So it was another interesting night at Ascension last night. Iwas absolutely exhausted for most of the night even after drinking a Rock Star! It wasn't until much later that I had any energy. Most of the time, I was just leaning against a wall and people-watching. I enjoy that. Just because I'm not dancing and smiling doesn't make me happy. I get my jollies just observing other people for awhile. I enjoyed Madame Mercury and Spinner's (wait, was that his name?) set. I was quite digging the fluffy trancy-pantsy man from Sweden though. And of course it was good to see all the usuals there: Ryan, Becca, Aaron, Dave, Brandon, Audra, the cute bartender guy, Osby, Lydia (who was in my nightmare!), Nicola...am I forgetting people? I'm sure I am, sorry. I think the highlight of the night was standing outside of Blakes and telling the most disgusting, offensive jokes we could think of. I, for one, will NEVER think of a clown the same way again after Kenny's "joke." After I got home, I had just erased the image from my mind when I look down at my stamped wrist....the door guy had stamped me with a (yeah, can you guess whats coming?) a CLOWN with a big smile on his face!!! Ewww... ahhhhh. long night. I'll probably be there next week too... -Veronica- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68129-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:08:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22197 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:08:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22186 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:08:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010706203702.12512.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20010706203702.12512.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:06:07 -0700 To: tetsuya@space.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage There's a fine line here when talking about drugs. I'd say you just crossed it. But to each their own. You must have some extra cash lying around. :P I had to harsh such a blatant (naive? honest?) post. I'd say if you think something (anything really) you do is special and you want to keep it that way, then don't do it too much. Does that make sense? >I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The thing is I >like to take it almost every weekend now, and sometimes I would like >to take it more than that. I have gone to the site "dancesafe.org" >to try to find a safe dosage and the amount of time that one should >wait between doing it, but have been unsuccessful. I would love if >someone out there could give me an idea of how long one should wait >and how much is too much. > >Thanks Soooo Much, > > >Love to dance, n dance to love... > >Tet > >___________________________________________________________________ >Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68130-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:12:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26695 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:12:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26684 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:12:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:13:28 -0600 From: TheNetworkGirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <006b01c10658$1eac94c0$6401a8c0@esl.snfc21.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_POGIZnsjOzAU9Zm1YEV9qQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Reccomendations for Stickers and Flyers/ Jupiter Last Night --Boundary_(ID_POGIZnsjOzAU9Zm1YEV9qQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Reccomendations for Stickers and Flyers/ Jupiter Last Night Hey there! Does anyone have any recommendations for companies that do stickers and flyers? I would appreciate the info. I went last night to Jupiter's in Berkeley and met up with "knowmad AE" what a great spot-- I certainly recommend it great beats and a great crowd. "knowmad AE" also mentioned that they will not be hosting the Thursdays events anymore starting September. It has gotten to big, is that really bad, HuH? So, get there before the last record spins. Trees N Beats, Trees N Beats- Can you hear it? TheNetworkGirl http://www.thenetworkgirl.com "Artist Welcome" --Boundary_(ID_POGIZnsjOzAU9Zm1YEV9qQ)-- From sfraves-return-68131-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:12:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28734 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:12:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28724 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c10660$1e4d3d10$edcdf7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: , References: <20010706203702.12512.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:10:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage Ok... my guess is that you will get a lot of replies telling you not to post about your personal usage on this list. The fact is you shouldn't... it is against the list policy... so don't do it again, k? But, to answer your question... waiting a month between doses is a good rule of thumb. You might also want to consider supplementing your diet with 5-HTP between doses and perhaps preloading with it prior to dropping. (You can find some info on that at erowid's vault.) Studies on the harmful effects of MDMA reference both short-term and life-time consumption. It's a powerful substance. If you are going to take it, my advice is to do so responsibly and make each time worth it. I'm sure you can do 2 and half hits every week for 5 weeks in a row and feel good doing it... but, I wouldn't recommend it... and as time goes on, you'd need an increased dosage and the effects will turn out to be less enjoyable. (Especially the depression that usually comes along a few days after dropping... I understand it can become severe.) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage > I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The thing is I like to take it almost every weekend now, and sometimes I would like to take it more than that. I have gone to the site "dancesafe.org" to try to find a safe dosage and the amount of time that one should wait between doing it, but have been unsuccessful. I would love if someone out there could give me an idea of how long one should wait and how much is too much. > > Thanks Soooo Much, > > > Love to dance, n dance to love... > > Tet > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68132-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:12:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29925 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:12:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29915 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:12:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706211246.52834.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:12:46 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: tetsuya@space.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010706203702.12512.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage in my opinon every week is TOO MUCH! more often than that is WAY TOO MUCH. why do you want to do it so often? i'd think once a month is probably good, if you're into that kinda thing. don't you love your brain? it's been good to you why don't you be good to it? and remeber the more you do the more you HAVE to do to get high. you build a tolerance like people do with most drugs. but hey...do whatcha want! peace angela > I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The > thing is I like to take it almost every weekend now, and > sometimes I would like to take it more than that. I have > gone to the site "dancesafe.org" to try to find a safe > dosage and the amount of time that one should wait > between doing it, but have been unsuccessful. I would > love if someone out there could give me an idea of how > long one should wait and how much is too much. > > Thanks Soooo Much, > > > Love to dance, n dance to love... > > Tet > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at > http://www.space.com. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68133-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:21:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36949 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:21:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36939 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:21:48 -0000 From: "Kenya Ziegenhagen" To: , Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:24:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20010706211246.52834.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage Just wait till the involuntary bodily twitches start happening!! -----Original Message----- From: angela [mailto:ampedgirly@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:13 PM To: tetsuya@space.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage in my opinon every week is TOO MUCH! more often than that is WAY TOO MUCH. why do you want to do it so often? i'd think once a month is probably good, if you're into that kinda thing. don't you love your brain? it's been good to you why don't you be good to it? and remeber the more you do the more you HAVE to do to get high. you build a tolerance like people do with most drugs. but hey...do whatcha want! peace angela > I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The > thing is I like to take it almost every weekend now, and > sometimes I would like to take it more than that. I have > gone to the site "dancesafe.org" to try to find a safe > dosage and the amount of time that one should wait > between doing it, but have been unsuccessful. I would > love if someone out there could give me an idea of how > long one should wait and how much is too much. > > Thanks Soooo Much, > > > Love to dance, n dance to love... > > Tet > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at > http://www.space.com. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68134-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:26:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42344 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:26:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42292 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:26:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.46.125.16] From: "Rodrigo Lagos" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 21:25:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 21:25:40.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[34DB3F30:01C10662] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: RIDE :Saturday 2pm midnight. hello awesome community! This is an invitation to RIDE, a fundraising party this Saturday. Saturday July 7'th, RIDE 1404 Fourth St, Berkeley. http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address+Below&addr=1404+Fourth+St&csz=Berkeley%2C+CA&country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map This fully permitted event will go from 2pm to midnight at a spacious brewery under the Berkeley sun. Taking you on a groovy thumping day of house beats will be DJs: Big Al (Red Eyed Jedi), Chaka, Eric Riggsbee, Jasmine (DJradio, The-Community, Gratitude), Rodrigo (DJradio, The-Community, Gratitude), Ryan Christopher (DJradio, The-Community, Gratitude), and Swing (OpenHouse). There will be a $20 donation at the door. Once inside you will enjoy free water, beer, and food. This will be a 21+ event, must have ID in hand. This is a fundraising event for the Montana AIDS vaccine ride. Proceeds will go to finding a vaccine for AIDS. 510.698.2039x3781 Would love to see as many of you there. Thanks --rodrigo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68135-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:27:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45207 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:27:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45195 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:27:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [161.215.27.111] From: "Anthony F" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:26:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 21:26:33.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[548616C0:01C10662] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage And one night you'll find yourself cracked out in Debo's pigeon coop. Anthony > >Just wait till the involuntary bodily twitches start happening!! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68136-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:34:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49223 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:34:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49213 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:34:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706213403.64825.qmail@web14406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:34:03 -0700 (PDT) From: liv musk To: blindspot , tetsuya@space.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage To each their own... if you can handle it, and are having fun with it, good! then you fit the bill to take it. But as long as you are well aware of your own limitations, and you can identify problems as they surface. I don't think anyone on these lists is ' against drugs' but anyone who's taken a decent amount will caution you to keep things in check- so i think you'll get a lot of 'be carefuls' and 'dont over do it'. i believe drugs offer us a new perspective / feeling [like many others] so i'm glad you are enjoying yours, but when the time comes to make a change to that habit, be ready to say i've had enough / i'm gonna chill. enjoy w a grain of salt, liv --- blindspot wrote: > There's a fine line here when talking about drugs. > I'd say you just crossed it. > > But to each their own. You must have some extra cash > lying around. :P > > > I had to harsh such a blatant (naive? honest?) post. > > I'd say if you think something (anything really) you > do is special > and you want to keep it that way, then don't do it > too much. Does > that make sense? > > > > >I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. > The thing is I > >like to take it almost every weekend now, and > sometimes I would like > >to take it more than that. I have gone to the site > "dancesafe.org" > >to try to find a safe dosage and the amount of time > that one should > >wait between doing it, but have been unsuccessful. > I would love if > >someone out there could give me an idea of how long > one should wait > >and how much is too much. > > > >Thanks Soooo Much, > > > > > >Love to dance, n dance to love... > > > >Tet > > > >___________________________________________________________________ > >Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at > http://www.space.com. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > -- > -blindspot > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo > for Free! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68137-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:38:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53659 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:38:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53646 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:38:02 -0000 To: tetsuya@space.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, "blindspot" Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:37:49 -0700 From: "dudley doolittle" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: d_doolittle@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 216.103.119.253 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage I always cringe at these sort of emails because I worry at the naivety that prompts such a question and potentially blindly trusts the myriad of answers by peers. Not that you are that sort of person, Tet, but I don't know you so I worry you might be. Because although some of the answers you get here may be very well educated and of sound knowledge, there are equally as many myths out there and much that is still unknown even by the experts. It can be rather difficult for even "expereinced" folks to try to seperate the wheat from the chaff. But even worse to me is that there are folks on this list who feel comfortable and "wise" enough to dispense advice about these kinds of questions. Because that is truly dangerous. And then I see that the first response is eloquently and sublimely the best advice anyone (expert, professional or otherwise) could give you. Thank you, BlindSpot. And Tet, do listen to him/her. dud doo On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:06:07 blindspot wrote: >I'd say if you think something (anything really) you do is special >and you want to keep it that way, then don't do it too much. Does >that make sense? > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68138-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:40:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58165 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:40:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58155 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:40:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706214032.4827.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Kenya Ziegenhagen , tetsuya@space.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1399405215-994455631=:2983" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage --0-1399405215-994455631=:2983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On a serious note, unfortunately, I have seen this happen, "body twitches" can be caused by dirty blood. So although you may think those twitches mean your on some real good shit, it may mean your organs aren't working. Jessica Kenya Ziegenhagen wrote: Just wait till the involuntary bodily twitches start happening!! -----Original Message----- From: angela [mailto:ampedgirly@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:13 PM To: tetsuya@space.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage in my opinon every week is TOO MUCH! more often than that is WAY TOO MUCH. why do you want to do it so often? i'd think once a month is probably good, if you're into that kinda thing. don't you love your brain? it's been good to you why don't you be good to it? and remeber the more you do the more you HAVE to do to get high. you build a tolerance like people do with most drugs. but hey...do whatcha want! peace angela > I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The > thing is I like to take it almost every weekend now, and > sometimes I would like to take it more than that. I have > gone to the site "dancesafe.org" to try to find a safe > dosage and the amount of time that one should wait > between doing it, but have been unsuccessful. I would > love if someone out there could give me an idea of how > long one should wait and how much is too much. > > Thanks Soooo Much, > > > Love to dance, n dance to love... > > Tet > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at > http://www.space.com. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1399405215-994455631=:2983-- From sfraves-return-68139-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:53:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64940 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:53:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64929 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:53:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706215330.984.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:53:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] question nrr why should it be my fault or anyone elses if you own crap equipment? i just thought i'd bring it up, because whether i am on the list or out at a club or party this has been coming up a lot. screw you! :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68140-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 21:53:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64962 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 21:53:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64946 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 21:53:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706215331.7492.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] question nrr why should it be my fault or anyone elses if you own crap equipment? i just thought i'd bring it up, because whether i am on the list or out at a club or party this has been coming up a lot. screw you! :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68141-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:08:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76968 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:08:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76957 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:08:49 -0000 Message-ID: <004501c10667$f5c82fa0$edcdf7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: , , , "blindspot" References: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:06:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage I understand your sentiment, dud. I also liked blindspot's reply. Unfortunately, although it was sound advice, it didn't answer the question. So we've got a totally inexperienced user who started dropping e 2 months ago, is doing it every week, wants to do it more than that, and is asking a specific question, "What's too much?" Answering that with, "Don't do it too much," isn't enough. He obviously doesn't have a feeling for what "too much" is and wanted quantitative opinions, not vague advice. I personally believe that it is an experienced user's duty to answer such questions when asked. It is Tet's responsibility, of course, to take everyone else's opinion with a grain of salt and to act responsibly. That said, Tet... I'm not a doctor, I don't play one on TV, and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn last night. But, I'd say your usage is way too much. Take a long break from dropping... research the substance yourself... You should almost certainly cut way back from your current consumption... As someone else exressed, it is your mind and body... take care of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dudley doolittle" To: ; ; "blindspot" Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage > I always cringe at these sort of emails because I worry at the naivety that prompts such a question and potentially blindly trusts the myriad of answers by peers. Not that you are that sort of person, Tet, but I don't know you so I worry you might be. > > Because although some of the answers you get here may be very well educated and of sound knowledge, there are equally as many myths out there and much that is still unknown even by the experts. It can be rather difficult for even "expereinced" folks to try to seperate the wheat from the chaff. > > But even worse to me is that there are folks on this list who feel comfortable and "wise" enough to dispense advice about these kinds of questions. Because that is truly dangerous. > > And then I see that the first response is eloquently and sublimely the best advice anyone (expert, professional or otherwise) could give you. Thank you, BlindSpot. And Tet, do listen to him/her. > > dud doo > > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:06:07 > blindspot wrote: > >I'd say if you think something (anything really) you do is special > >and you want to keep it that way, then don't do it too much. Does > >that make sense? > > > > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68142-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:18:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83418 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:18:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83408 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:18:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:18:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: TheNetworkGirl cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <006b01c10658$1eac94c0$6401a8c0@esl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Reccomendations for Stickers and Flyers/ Jupiter Last Night >Subject: Reccomendations for Stickers and Flyers/ Jupiter Last Night > > >Hey there! > >Does anyone have any recommendations for companies that do stickers and >flyers? I would appreciate the info. flyers: Nomad Graphics (www.nomaddesign.com) - the old san-fran flyer standby. They're more expensive than postscript and spotlight, but rightfully so. stickers: Sticker Guy (www.stickerguy.com). Read the site - he's some punk guy from Reno who got into cheap sticker silkscreening and tapped into a massive underground market. The quality is phenomenal (screened acrylic on vinyl), but he's got a shitload of business so it'll take a few weeks to process and return your order. Also he refuses to work for any corporate lackeys. -mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68143-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:18:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84773 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:18:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84763 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:18:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706221843.83375.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:18:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. i mean, need i say more? could i please share my finest works for millions and millions of dollars to perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air of financial security for all of those who despise yet seek to provide creature comforts and something beyond pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than poison myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more economical and it tastes better. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68144-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:22:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86778 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:22:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86768 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:22:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: Geri Dahl cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010706221843.83375.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr yeah, but the pop-tart hangover is a bear. My head is still reeling from the five boxes I ingested last night. On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Geri Dahl wrote: >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:18:43 -0700 (PDT) >From: Geri Dahl >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr > >i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. i >mean, need i say more? could i please share my finest >works for millions and millions of dollars to >perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air >of financial security for all of those who despise yet >seek to provide creature comforts and something beyond >pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than poison >myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more >economical and it tastes better. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68145-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90433 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:29:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90422 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:29:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [161.215.27.111] From: "Anthony F" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:29:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 22:29:27.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DBDA640:01C1066B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage What is too much? I'm not sure, but once a week sounds pretty damned excessive. My hippie dead head brother used to drop three or four times a week when he was in high school. He'd don his poofy Cavaricci jeans and lacy italian shoes, cruise on down to the illustrious Club 6400 in Houston (Before it burned down), drop and then dance all night to Nitzer Ebb and New Order. Of course, he'd drag his ass all day, fail his classes, get into fights with my folks constantly, and suffer from some pretty severe bouts of depression. And it doesn't really work for him anymore. The choice is yours. Anthony _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68146-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:35:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94578 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:35:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94568 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:35:53 -0000 Message-ID: <005e01c1066b$b89b7e30$edcdf7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "Mike Migurski" , "Geri Dahl" Cc: References: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:33:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Pop tart Dosage (Was: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr) Five boxes, Mike! That's insane! Next week, you'll need seven and a half boxes to get the same satisfaction. You should consider pop tart detox and rehab before its just too late. Besides... the hangovers just get worse... Good luck... kicking pop tarts is an uphill battle. (Unless, of course, you kick them downhill.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "Geri Dahl" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr > yeah, but the pop-tart hangover is a bear. My head is still reeling from > the five boxes I ingested last night. > > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Geri Dahl wrote: > > >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:18:43 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Geri Dahl > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr > > > >i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. i > >mean, need i say more? could i please share my finest > >works for millions and millions of dollars to > >perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air > >of financial security for all of those who despise yet > >seek to provide creature comforts and something beyond > >pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than poison > >myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more > >economical and it tastes better. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68147-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:37:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96120 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:37:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96110 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:37:08 -0000 From: "Brook Yu" To: "Geri Dahl" , Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:37:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010706221843.83375.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: PLURRology@cs.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr geri... your posts continue to intrigue me. what the hell are you talking about? (not just this post...but ALL of your posts!) - brook -----Original Message----- From: Geri Dahl [mailto:eeelips@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:19 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. i mean, need i say more? could i please share my finest works for millions and millions of dollars to perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air of financial security for all of those who despise yet seek to provide creature comforts and something beyond pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than poison myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more economical and it tastes better. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68148-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:50:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6377 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:50:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6367 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:50:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706225052.67413.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: IT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010706221843.83375.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr this is your brain, this is your brain on pop tarts... sugar is evil!!! --- Geri Dahl wrote: > i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. > i > mean, need i say more? could i please share my > finest > works for millions and millions of dollars to > perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air > of financial security for all of those who despise > yet > seek to provide creature comforts and something > beyond > pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than > poison > myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more > economical and it tastes better. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68149-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:53:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8546 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:53:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8534 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:53:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706225351.49249.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Presser To: Anthony F , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage - What is TOO much? Too much is actually very EASILY defined. If it prevents you from leading a healthy, happy, productive life and has a deleterious affect on your life and those close to you, it's TOO MUCH. One thing I've noticed from personal experience, if a person already has a proclivity towards self-destruction, they'll find a way to accomplish it. If they don't, they usually won't. And most people know which category they fall into. Remember the teachings of wise, venerable Buddha: "Don't be a fu**ing idiot." Rick --- Anthony F wrote: > What is too much? > > I'm not sure, but once a week sounds pretty damned > excessive. My hippie > dead head brother used to drop three or four times a > week when he was in > high school. He'd don his poofy Cavaricci jeans and > lacy italian shoes, > cruise on down to the illustrious Club 6400 in > Houston (Before it burned > down), drop and then dance all night to Nitzer Ebb > and New Order. > > Of course, he'd drag his ass all day, fail his > classes, get into fights with > my folks constantly, and suffer from some pretty > severe bouts of depression. > > And it doesn't really work for him anymore. > > The choice is yours. > > Anthony > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68150-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:54:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9827 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:54:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9817 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:54:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004501c10667$f5c82fa0$edcdf7a5@sauoq> References: <004501c10667$f5c82fa0$edcdf7a5@sauoq> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:52:06 -0700 To: "A. Nonymous" , , , From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage Hmmm...You are right. I guess I don't PERSONALLY really know what too much is. I'll trust that you do. I'd be interested to know, though, what qualifies as an "experienced user"? At 3:06 PM -0700 7/6/01, A. Nonymous wrote: >I understand your sentiment, dud. I also liked blindspot's reply. >Unfortunately, although it was sound advice, it didn't answer the question. > >So we've got a totally inexperienced user who started dropping e 2 months >ago, is doing it every week, wants to do it more than that, and is asking a >specific question, "What's too much?" Answering that with, "Don't do it too >much," isn't enough. He obviously doesn't have a feeling for what "too much" >is and wanted quantitative opinions, not vague advice. I personally believe >that it is an experienced user's duty to answer such questions when asked. >It is Tet's responsibility, of course, to take everyone else's opinion with >a grain of salt and to act responsibly. > >That said, Tet... I'm not a doctor, I don't play one on TV, and I didn't >even stay at a Holiday Inn last night. But, I'd say your usage is way too >much. Take a long break from dropping... research the substance yourself... >You should almost certainly cut way back from your current consumption... As >someone else exressed, it is your mind and body... take care of them. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "dudley doolittle" >To: ; ; "blindspot" > >Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:37 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage > > >> I always cringe at these sort of emails because I worry at the naivety >that prompts such a question and potentially blindly trusts the myriad of >answers by peers. Not that you are that sort of person, Tet, but I don't >know you so I worry you might be. >> >> Because although some of the answers you get here may be very well >educated and of sound knowledge, there are equally as many myths out there >and much that is still unknown even by the experts. It can be rather >difficult for even "expereinced" folks to try to seperate the wheat from the >chaff. >> >> But even worse to me is that there are folks on this list who feel >comfortable and "wise" enough to dispense advice about these kinds of >questions. Because that is truly dangerous. >> >> And then I see that the first response is eloquently and sublimely the >best advice anyone (expert, professional or otherwise) could give you. >Thank you, BlindSpot. And Tet, do listen to him/her. >> >> dud doo >> >> On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:06:07 >> blindspot wrote: >> >I'd say if you think something (anything really) you do is special >> >and you want to keep it that way, then don't do it too much. Does >> >that make sense? >> > >> >> >> >> Get 250 color business cards for FREE! >> http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68151-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:55:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11398 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:55:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11384 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:55:23 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:54:31 -0700 To: "Anthony F" , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage HAHA...It's Friday, you aint got no job, and you aint got shit to do" I love that movie! At 2:26 PM -0700 7/6/01, Anthony F wrote: >And one night you'll find yourself cracked out in Debo's pigeon coop. > >Anthony > >> >>Just wait till the involuntary bodily twitches start happening!! >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68152-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 22:57:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13229 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 22:57:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13218 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 22:57:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: "A. Nonymous" cc: Geri Dahl , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <005e01c1066b$b89b7e30$edcdf7a5@sauoq> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: Pop tart Dosage (Was: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr) I started popping about three years ago, and I've never been able to match that first time. I dunno if it's me or the tarts, but it used to only take one or two packets before I was tartin' *hard*. I swear the tarts were way better back in the day... they musta used real strawberries back then or something. These days, I just wake up with crumbs all over my clothes and an aching stomache. I suppose cutting them with cinnamon toast crunch was a bad idea. -mike. >Five boxes, Mike! That's insane! Next week, you'll need seven and a half >boxes to get the same satisfaction. You should consider pop tart detox and >rehab before its just too late. Besides... the hangovers just get worse... > >Good luck... kicking pop tarts is an uphill battle. (Unless, of course, you >kick them downhill.) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Migurski" >To: "Geri Dahl" >Cc: >Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:22 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr > > >> yeah, but the pop-tart hangover is a bear. My head is still reeling from >> the five boxes I ingested last night. >> >> On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Geri Dahl wrote: >> >> >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:18:43 -0700 (PDT) >> >From: Geri Dahl >> >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> >Subject: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr >> > >> >i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. i >> >mean, need i say more? could i please share my finest >> >works for millions and millions of dollars to >> >perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air >> >of financial security for all of those who despise yet >> >seek to provide creature comforts and something beyond >> >pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than poison >> >myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more >> >economical and it tastes better. >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org >> tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski >> http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68153-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:00:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15480 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:00:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15452 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:00:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706230014.13546.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:00:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Fraser To: blindspot , "A. Nonymous" , d_doolittle@angelfire.com, tetsuya@space.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage In all of this discussion, nothing has been mentioned about the amount taken at one time / every time. Yeah, who knows with stuff off the street... but in general, one could say "take as little as possible to reach that mental space you want to go to" (3, 4 pills in one shot isn't it) and do it as infrequently as possible, b/c again, who knows what's in the stuff off the street... and i (in my not-a-doctor opinion) would say once or twice a month should be more than enough. What is going on in your life that you feel the need to do it so often? buy pharamecutical, doug --- blindspot wrote: > Hmmm...You are right. I guess I don't PERSONALLY > really know what too > much is. I'll trust that you do. I'd be interested > to know, though, > what qualifies as an "experienced user"? > > > At 3:06 PM -0700 7/6/01, A. Nonymous wrote: > >I understand your sentiment, dud. I also liked > blindspot's reply. > >Unfortunately, although it was sound advice, it > didn't answer the question. > > > >So we've got a totally inexperienced user who > started dropping e 2 months > >ago, is doing it every week, wants to do it more > than that, and is asking a > >specific question, "What's too much?" Answering > that with, "Don't do it too > >much," isn't enough. He obviously doesn't have a > feeling for what "too much" > >is and wanted quantitative opinions, not vague > advice. I personally believe > >that it is an experienced user's duty to answer > such questions when asked. > >It is Tet's responsibility, of course, to take > everyone else's opinion with > >a grain of salt and to act responsibly. > > > >That said, Tet... I'm not a doctor, I don't play > one on TV, and I didn't > >even stay at a Holiday Inn last night. But, I'd say > your usage is way too > >much. Take a long break from dropping... research > the substance yourself... > >You should almost certainly cut way back from your > current consumption... As > >someone else exressed, it is your mind and body... > take care of them. > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "dudley doolittle" > > >To: ; ; > "blindspot" > > > >Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:37 PM > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage > > > > > >> I always cringe at these sort of emails because > I worry at the naivety > >that prompts such a question and potentially > blindly trusts the myriad of > >answers by peers. Not that you are that sort of > person, Tet, but I don't > >know you so I worry you might be. > >> > >> Because although some of the answers you get > here may be very well > >educated and of sound knowledge, there are equally > as many myths out there > >and much that is still unknown even by the experts. > It can be rather > >difficult for even "expereinced" folks to try to > seperate the wheat from the > >chaff. > >> > >> But even worse to me is that there are folks on > this list who feel > >comfortable and "wise" enough to dispense advice > about these kinds of > >questions. Because that is truly dangerous. > >> > >> And then I see that the first response is > eloquently and sublimely the > >best advice anyone (expert, professional or > otherwise) could give you. > >Thank you, BlindSpot. And Tet, do listen to > him/her. > >> > >> dud doo > >> > >> On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:06:07 > >> blindspot wrote: > >> >I'd say if you think something (anything > really) you do is special > >> >and you want to keep it that way, then don't do > it too much. Does > >> >that make sense? > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > >> http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > -- > -blindspot > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo > for Free! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68154-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:02:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18456 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:02:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18443 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:02:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [161.215.27.111] From: "Anthony F" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:02:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 23:02:05.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACF309F0:01C1066F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: Pop tart Dosage (Was: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr) Dude, I just started popping myself! I heard from this dude on the street that.. if you put them in the toaster, you tart HELLA hard. That, and he told me to put them up my ass. Now that just sounds odd. Anthony >From: Mike Migurski >To: "A. Nonymous" >CC: Geri Dahl , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Re: Pop tart Dosage (Was: Re: [sfraves] finance your >hate in the rave scene! nrr) >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:57:41 -0700 (PDT) > >I started popping about three years ago, and I've never been able to match >that first time. I dunno if it's me or the tarts, but it used to only take >one or two packets before I was tartin' *hard*. I swear the tarts were way >better back in the day... they musta used real strawberries back then or >something. > >These days, I just wake up with crumbs all over my clothes and an aching >stomache. I suppose cutting them with cinnamon toast crunch was a bad >idea. > >-mike. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68155-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:05:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20519 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:05:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20509 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:05:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:04:54 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The full FRIDAY quote "I know you don't smoke weed, but I'm gonna get you high today. It's Friday, you aint got no job, and you aint got shit to do." You can buy the _Friday_ DVD at the EBONICS page: http://joel.net/EBONICS/ -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68156-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:05:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21731 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:05:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21720 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:05:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706230525.15873.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:05:25 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr - what i have to put up with "controller": how do i save pdf files on a website without having to load them first? me: right-click, and select save link as "controller": but i want to save the pdf file, not the link me: i know... right-click, save link as "controller": no i want the file not the link me: dood, don't ask me questions if you wont take my answer "controller": but that's not the way to do it me: if you know how to do it why are you asking me? "controller": i don't know how to do it, that's why i'm asking you me: well then, listen to me... right-click, save link as "controller": that's not how though me: fine, go ask someone else how to do it then "controller": but, you are the one we are supposed to ask me: i know, and that's why i told you how to do it "controller": but that isn't how to do it me: dood, leave my office and he left my office in a huff ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68157-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:07:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23430 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:07:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23420 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:07:48 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: "Douglas Fraser" , "blindspot" , "A. Nonymous" , , , Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:18:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010706230014.13546.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Fraser [mailto:fraser_douglas@yahoo.com] > buy pharamecutical, if it's not in an old school capsule it's not worth it, to my mind. like pop tarts. many brands. many additives. but the originals are the best:) even with that, too many pop tarts and your body goes to hell. Less is more. apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68158-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26094 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:13:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26082 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:13:44 -0000 Message-ID: <007401c10671$076cda90$edcdf7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: , , , "blindspot" References: <004501c10667$f5c82fa0$edcdf7a5@sauoq> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:11:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage Trust that I do? Are you crazy? Don't trust me... it was just an opinion... I said I hadn't even stayed at a Holiday Inn last night! I'm not writing a gospel! On the other hand, all the people I know that I categorize as "responsible users" seem to like waiting at least a month between drops. (Although they all seem to have their stories of doing it more frequently at one time or another too.) I don't know what qualifies anybody as an experienced user. I suppose it would be someone that had done it in many different situations, with different dosages, and varying times in between experiences. In other words, someone who has had many experiences with it. It's all relative, right? And relatively, I expect there are many people on this list that are more experienced than Tet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "blindspot" To: "A. Nonymous" ; ; ; Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage > Hmmm...You are right. I guess I don't PERSONALLY really know what too > much is. I'll trust that you do. I'd be interested to know, though, > what qualifies as an "experienced user"? > > > At 3:06 PM -0700 7/6/01, A. Nonymous wrote: > >I understand your sentiment, dud. I also liked blindspot's reply. > >Unfortunately, although it was sound advice, it didn't answer the question. > > > >So we've got a totally inexperienced user who started dropping e 2 months > >ago, is doing it every week, wants to do it more than that, and is asking a > >specific question, "What's too much?" Answering that with, "Don't do it too > >much," isn't enough. He obviously doesn't have a feeling for what "too much" > >is and wanted quantitative opinions, not vague advice. I personally believe > >that it is an experienced user's duty to answer such questions when asked. > >It is Tet's responsibility, of course, to take everyone else's opinion with > >a grain of salt and to act responsibly. > > > >That said, Tet... I'm not a doctor, I don't play one on TV, and I didn't > >even stay at a Holiday Inn last night. But, I'd say your usage is way too > >much. Take a long break from dropping... research the substance yourself... > >You should almost certainly cut way back from your current consumption... As > >someone else exressed, it is your mind and body... take care of them. > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "dudley doolittle" > >To: ; ; "blindspot" > > > >Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:37 PM > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage > > > > > >> I always cringe at these sort of emails because I worry at the naivety > >that prompts such a question and potentially blindly trusts the myriad of > >answers by peers. Not that you are that sort of person, Tet, but I don't > >know you so I worry you might be. > >> > >> Because although some of the answers you get here may be very well > >educated and of sound knowledge, there are equally as many myths out there > >and much that is still unknown even by the experts. It can be rather > >difficult for even "expereinced" folks to try to seperate the wheat from the > >chaff. > >> > >> But even worse to me is that there are folks on this list who feel > >comfortable and "wise" enough to dispense advice about these kinds of > >questions. Because that is truly dangerous. > >> > >> And then I see that the first response is eloquently and sublimely the > >best advice anyone (expert, professional or otherwise) could give you. > >Thank you, BlindSpot. And Tet, do listen to him/her. > >> > >> dud doo > >> > >> On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:06:07 > >> blindspot wrote: > >> >I'd say if you think something (anything really) you do is special > >> >and you want to keep it that way, then don't do it too much. Does > >> >that make sense? > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > >> http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > -- > -blindspot > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68159-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:20:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33790 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:20:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33779 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:20:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.118.134] From: "craig newman" To: tetsuya@space.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:20:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 23:20:08.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[321EC400:01C10672] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage Is there really a safe dosage? Did you know that everydose could be your last? I do not condon E use, I mean I did it ATLEAST every weekend for over a year, and I am fine. It really all depends on you body. Just remember the more you use, the more you have to take, and the more money you spend. When I stopped using every weekend, I was up to Having to take 8-10pills. Do you really need this though? I think that ocasional use is alright, but when It gets into eveyweekend, that is getting to be excessive, and damaging. You are going to do what you want to do, so just be safe. Or as safe as you can be on a black market drug! Happee_1 Ps. Ask yourself: "Do I really need to take E to have a good time at a party?" I know I dont!!! and I am healthier and happier because of it! >From: tetsuya@space.com >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage >Date: 6 Jul 2001 13:37:02 -0700 > >I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The thing is I like to >take it almost every weekend now, and sometimes I would like to take it >more than that. I have gone to the site "dancesafe.org" to try to find a >safe dosage and the amount of time that one should wait between doing it, >but have been unsuccessful. I would love if someone out there could give >me an idea of how long one should wait and how much is too much. > >Thanks Soooo Much, > > >Love to dance, n dance to love... > >Tet > >___________________________________________________________________ >Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68160-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:23:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37632 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:23:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37614 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:23:40 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:23:27 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SERENITY this Saturday...............bsp OK, Folks its right around the corner so plan to come out tomarrow night and= =20 bring a friend... Saturday July 7, 2001 Mystical Mayhem presents... SERENITY -2 Year=20 Anniversary Independence Weekend Celebration Located at The Concourse @ 8th and Brannon in San Francisco PROGRESSIVE HOUSE/ TRIBAL/ TECH-HOUSE (BANGIN' RYTHMS AND DEEP SOULFULL=20 GROOVES) RICHARD 'HUMPTY' VISSION- EXCLUSIVE NOTHERN CALIFORNIA appearance by the=20 GRAMMY NOMINATED DJ/ PRODUCER celebrating the first Saturday of his CD=20 Release Tour for "DAMN THAT DJ MADE MY DAY!!" Due out July 3, 2001. URB=20 magazine is the official sponsor of the "Damn That DJ Made My Day Tour". JENO (WICKED, SF) TONY (Come-Unity, SF)=20 DAVID COLEMAN AND SENSI (Release, SF) JOEY MAZZOLA (AM Crew/RadioActive/Soulmatic, SF) DAVID GARCIA (Soulmatic, SF) GREG SANDLER (Harmony, SJ) ELLEN FARATO (Sugar/ Release, SF) HUEY (Nightlife, SF) M.A.C (Harmonics, SR) TRANCE/ NRG/ ANTHEMS (MELODIC JOURNEYS) NOSTRUM-LIVE PA direct from COLOGNE, GERMANY, EXCLUSIVE NOTHERN CALIFORNIA=20 appearance, (TIME UNLIMITED, NOOM RECORDS- DAMN Management) Thomas Trouble (SF, Blutonium Records) Dyloot (SKILLS, SF) Gianni (Spundae/ DJGIANNI.COM, SR) Tom Slik (SKILLS, SF) Uphonic (E.T.A., SF) St. John (HouseNation/ 94.9, SF), CD Release Tracer (Tektite, SF) CD Release of =E2=80=9CTRACER=E2=80=9D Morgan (Hard NRG/ Loteck Records, SF) DJ Hek (GHOSTRIBE Krew, SF) JUNGLE/ DRUM & BASS/ BREAKS/ 2 STEP (TOP DECK TECHNICIANS) The Vixen (SO-MUCH-GLOW, L.A./ Portland) Hak (Black Pearl, SJ) Billy Lane (916 Junglists/ Black Locusts, Sac.) FRANK NITTY (GHOSTIRBE Krew, SF) MC Ragga Bonton (Black Locust/ Bombastik, Sac.) Siphon (Urban Assault, SJ)- Nu Skool Breaks Set RIF (In Tha Mix, Sac.) Bicolas (SKILLS, SF) Buchweechio (SKILLS, SF) AND MOTE TBA=E2=80=A6. SOUND: JK SOUND LIGHTING: STIM-U-LIGHTS VISUALS and PROJECTIONS: VIBERATION VS. EYELUSIONS VS. =20= =20 STIM-U-LIGHTS VS. MARK JOHNS for the ultimate visual=20 LASERS: UV-99 VS. STIM-U-LIGHTS LOCATION; The Concourse, SF 24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION: (415)-789-7344 / (415)-273-5720 / (408)-882-5090=20 THE VIBE: YOU BROWSE: THE MODERN ART EXPO PRESENTED BY SO-MUCH-GLOW SHOWCASING MULTI-MEDIA= =20 and VISUAL ARTISTS FROM THE BAY AREA UNDERGROUND.=20 4 ARENAS of THUNDERING BASS AND CRISP SONIC STIMULATION featuring JK SOUND= =E2=80=99s=20 Eastern Acoustic Works Sound Systems Lots of FREE CD=E2=80=99s / tape and Gear Giveaways courtesy of Mystical Ma= yhem,=20 Tommy Boy Records, LIVE365.com, Harmonics, Noom Records, Black Pearl,=20 Ghostribe Krew, Skills, Tektite, HouseNation, NightLife, DJGIANNI.COM,=20 Soulmatic, Lotek Records, Electric Nerve, Harmony and more=E2=80=A6 STUNNING VISUALS, LAVIOUS INTELLIGENT LIGHTING, AND AN ORGANIC NUTRICIOUS=20 VIBE!!! 21+ COCKTAIL LOUNGE/ BEER GARDEN w/ live mixin=E2=80=99 DJ=E2=80=99s and pro= gressive=20 house/trance (I.D. please) FREE REFRESHING FRUIT BUFFET FULLY PERMITTED and 100% SECURE HUGE MULTIPLE linoleum dance floors for extra groovy breakin=E2=80=99 and fu= nky fresh=20 moves ALL ARTISTS ARE CONFIRMED!!! =20 Clean Restrooms inside and out This event will sell out presale!!!! =20 Open aired area for smoking =20 Plenty of Friendly Security Located within walking distance of BART, MUNI, other forms of public transit= . SERENITY has always been a small party with a big impact. Please don=E2=80= =99t be=20 confused by the flyer. This event will be limited capacity!! This is a:=20 If-you-wait-and-lag-to-get-a-ticket-you-will-hear-about-it-afterwards-type-o= f- show!!!!! =20 SERENITY will sell out presale so don't wait to grab a ticket from the=20 authorized outlets below: AVAILABLE MONDAY 6/18/01 or go online now Buy a presale for yourself and a friend to save time and $ and assure your=20 attendance Interdictory presale price of $30.00 When those are gone $35.00 ON LINE TICKETS: WWW.ACTEVA.COM/GO/SERENITY=20 WWW.GROOVETICKETS.COM=20 GET DOOR PRIVILEGES AND MUSIC GIVEAWAYS w/ ONLINE tixs San Francisco F-8 Records, 1816 Haight St., (415)-221-4142 Spundae Records, 678 Haight St., (415)-575-1580 Clear Music, 147 Valencia St., (415)-437-1587 Briandrops, 1873 Hayes St., (415)-206-1576 Housewares, 1322 Haight St., (415)-252-1400=20 South Bay Ultra Soundz, 482 San Mateo, San Bruno, (650)-871-4170 Remix, 508 E. 3rd Ave., San Mateo, (650)-344-8060 Vibes, 1222 El Camino, Redwood City, (650)-299-0230 Solid Grooves, 2271 The Alameda, San Jose, (408)-248-6399 Popeye's, 291 South Capitol Ave., San Jose, (408)-729-3600 Pipeline, 818 Pacific Ave., Santa Cruz, (831)-425-7473 Rock Zone, 1280 1st St. # B, Gilroy, (408)-848-5055 Krate, 1274 N. Main St., Salinas, (831)-443-6580 East Bay/ Contra Costa/ Outer Bay Skills DJ Workshop, 2575Telegraph St., Berkley, (510)-704-9876 Generation Rock, 1820 Mt. Diablo St., Concord, (925)-682-9042 BASS Records, 36488 Fremont Blvd., Fremont, (510)-739-1862 Twilight Zone, 24463 Mission Blvd., Hayward, (510)-538-7945 Charlottes Web, 2160 Railroad Ave., Livermore, (925)-449-6165 Black Widow, 8909 Thornton Rd., Stockton, (209)-475-9005 Legacy Imports, 526 W. Ben Holt, Stockton, (209)-474-9009 In Tha Mix, 2329 I St., Sacramento, (916)-442-0499 Subsonic Underground, 106 J St., Sacramento, (916)-441-2775 Northern Bay Rock-On, 1630 North Texas St., Fairfield, (707)-422-2080 Harmonics, 404 Suite D Mendocino Ave., Santa Rosa, (707)-571-8747=20 Music Coop, 9 Petaluma Blvd., Petaluma, (707)-762-4257 Doc of Rock, 1811 Old Sonoma Rd., Napa, (707)-226-7652 Home Blown Glass-7108 Bodega Avenue, Sebastopol, (707)-824-8242 Come one and all glorious and independent people to celebrate and rejoice @= =20 The Independence Day Weekend Extravaganza SERENITY 2 Year Anniversary!!! If you missed Mystical Mayhem=E2=80=99s SERENITY May 19th at the METREON -A= Sony=20 Entertainment Center, then grab a presale for our 2 Year Anniversary July 7,= =20 2001 SERENITY, and if you were there=E2=80=A6than get ready to feel SERENITY= again!!! We have been planning a wonderful celebration to recapture the essence of=20 music and rejoice in the memories of all the artist and people who have made= =20 SERENITY special. A partial list of previous performers include: Bad Boy=20 Bill, Dieselboy, Deepsky, DRC, Terry Mullen, Usual Suspects, R.A.W., not to=20 mention the FINEST LOCAL TALENT REPRESENTING NORTHERN CALIFORNIA W/ TRANCE,=20 NRG, HOUSE, JUNGLE, DRUM N BASS, AND BANGING BREAKBEATS. We are committed to bringing in International DJ=E2=80=99s and Performers f= rom=20 Around the World while firmly supporting the best Bay Area DJ=E2=80=99s and=20= our=20 fragile Northern California scene. SERENITY has always been something special and a personal expression of the= =20 abundance that can be created for a single night of dance and celebration.=20 SERENITY is about transforming a space into a festive and entertaining=20 environment. SERENITY was conceived as a way to excite old school jaded=20 _avers and entice new participants into sharing a night that becomes more=20 than the sum of its parts.=20 SERENITY isn=E2=80=99t a HOUSE party or a showcase for Trance. SERENITY isn= =E2=80=99t just=20 the Jungle and Drum n Bass Arena. SERENITY isn=E2=80=99t just ELECTRONIC MUS= IC or=20 DJ=E2=80=99s. SERENITY is when in the midst if pure pleasure you gaze from=20= the=20 performer to the crowd and your eyes catch that of a smiling stranger and yo= u=20 both know without speaking=E2=80=A6that this is it! The time is now! 7-7-01 SERENITY is about to blow the roof off our last=20 show. And yes, it=E2=80=99s in San Francisco! If we only talked about the music and artists being the experience of these= =20 shows than we have failed to convey the most important ingredient in the=20 moment: all of you. It is the unity of the group and the vibe that each of=20 you bring that propels the night into bliss. What really make these shows so= =20 unique are the intangible energies that our togetherness creates.=20 Welcome to all fun loving and responsible 18+ W/ I.D. COMING SOON: WWW.MYSTICALMAYHEM.TV=20 LIVE WEB CAST FROM: WWW.LIVE365.COM=20 To those who have supported these events and our efforts with their smiles=20 and joy here is to all of you, as we get down in S.F. in a truly mystical=20 style.=20 Witness San Francisco in her glory the weekend of Freedom, Self-Expression,=20 and Fun. Tour the CITY, enjoy the beach and than rock out to the finest danc= e=20 music from around the globe. NO pens, bottles, other containers, food or candy please. A zero tolerance policy will be enforced towards drugs, sexual harassment,=20 and shady behavior. All guest lists must be pre-approved via e24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION: Email @ MysticalMayhem1@aol.com Lineup subject to change so call info lines for added attractions and more=20 performers This is a benefit for seratonin: Party sober, remember the music and still=20 get crazy! If you like to help promote, contribute art or get involved call our 24-HOUR= =20 EVENT COMMUNICATION (415)-789-7344 / (415)-273-5720 / (408)-882-5090 and=20 leave a message and you can join the mystical mayhem mailing list to save=20 trees.=20 Serenity prep arties: >> call (415)-273-5720 for updates=20 Friday July 6 Team Tigger, Plastic Fantastic- (707)-323-1494=20 (show serenity presale and get free water) <> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68161-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:24:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38918 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:24:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38908 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:24:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20010706232406.17207.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Come Unity? Hey all, I have finally arrived in SF! Sure beats the hell out of Arizona, without a doubt. Just wanted to see who was going to Come Unity tonight. It will be my first bay area event, and it would be kick-ass to meet some of you if you will be there. Let me know so I know who to look out for! Hope to see you there! -Dreg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68162-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49572 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:33:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49552 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:33:28 -0000 Message-ID: <009601c10673$ca4798a0$edcdf7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "knowmad AE" , References: <20010706230525.15873.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:31:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr - what i have to put up with Oh... see... you should have just told him that he has to save the link first... If he thought that was just the first step of a process, he'd have done it no questions asked. You can make up a second step... "Reboot" usually works. Everyone sort of figures that they have to reboot after doing anything anyway, so it would have come naturally to him. Of course... that's just one way to handle people like that. There are many ways... Like, next time, just tell him you'll get back to him in a week or so with a PowerPoint presentation on it. That should satisfy him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "knowmad AE" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: [sfraves] nrr - what i have to put up with > "controller": how do i save pdf files on a website > without having to load them first? > > me: right-click, and select save link as > > "controller": but i want to save the pdf file, not the > link > > me: i know... right-click, save link as > > "controller": no i want the file not the link > > me: dood, don't ask me questions if you wont take my > answer > > "controller": but that's not the way to do it > > me: if you know how to do it why are you asking me? > > "controller": i don't know how to do it, that's why > i'm asking you > > me: well then, listen to me... right-click, save link > as > > "controller": that's not how though > > me: fine, go ask someone else how to do it then > > "controller": but, you are the one we are supposed to > ask > > me: i know, and that's why i told you how to do it > > "controller": but that isn't how to do it > > me: dood, leave my office > > and he left my office in a huff > > ===== > icq/40221388 > aim/knowmadAE > y!/knowmadAE > "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... > the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." > In Lak'ech > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68163-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:51:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62184 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:51:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62174 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:51:09 -0000 Message-ID: <00ac01c10676$41153120$edcdf7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "Anthony F" , References: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:49:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: Pop tart Dosage (Was: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr) No, no, no... toasting them is the way you do it *IF* you are gonna shove them up your ass... but don't do that. You'll get a reputation as a total pop-tard if you do... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony F" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: Pop tart Dosage (Was: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr) > Dude, I just started popping myself! I heard from this dude on the street > that.. if you put them in the toaster, you tart HELLA hard. > > That, and he told me to put them up my ass. Now that just sounds odd. > > Anthony > > > >From: Mike Migurski > >To: "A. Nonymous" > >CC: Geri Dahl , sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] Re: Pop tart Dosage (Was: Re: [sfraves] finance your > >hate in the rave scene! nrr) > >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:57:41 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I started popping about three years ago, and I've never been able to match > >that first time. I dunno if it's me or the tarts, but it used to only take > >one or two packets before I was tartin' *hard*. I swear the tarts were way > >better back in the day... they musta used real strawberries back then or > >something. > > > >These days, I just wake up with crumbs all over my clothes and an aching > >stomache. I suppose cutting them with cinnamon toast crunch was a bad > >idea. > > > >-mike. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68164-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 06 23:58:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67392 invoked by uid 1104); 6 Jul 2001 23:58:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67378 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 23:58:53 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:58:12 -0700 From: "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: istyly@lycos.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 12.22.57.2 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Eminem D-12 Final Answer hello everyone and thanks for playing it was fun the final answer is: D-12 The D stands for Detroit because thats were they are all from. Dirty Dozen is just a nick name it has nothing to do with the "D" the 12 stands for 12 personality's. There are six members with 2 personality's so thats twleve people total. Listen to the way they rap, each goes back and forth from one person to the next. --- Thanks! Please party and play safe. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68165-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 00:30:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79353 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 00:30:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79343 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 00:30:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.214.121.42] From: "Solmatic Records" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 17:29:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 00:29:51.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF89E3E0:01C1067B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Joey @ Serenity Bsp! If your into house with a dash of breaks, hit me up for a copy of my newest mix ! Ill be in the main room 10 til 11, right before Humpty Vision ! Where ever you go , have a nice one ! Joey Mazzola - _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68166-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 00:32:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81530 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 00:32:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81518 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 00:32:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.214.121.42] From: "Solmatic Records" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 17:32:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 00:32:14.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[44CCD330:01C1067C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Sorry for the 2nd post 8( My Bad , I thought I wasnt going through .. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68167-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 00:33:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82813 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 00:33:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82803 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 00:33:11 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 17:33:01 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010707003302.MKXT12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage jeezus. that's a no-brainer. when your habit is up to 160-200 dollars a night, you might want to take a little break and think about what's important in your life. and make no mistake, feeling that you have to take something on the weekend means you have a habit. for many centuries, substances have been used for access to areas of transformation not usually available to us human beings. that is inarguable -- and there are those who make a convincing case about the benefits of recreational use of whatever, alcohol included, for enjoying life more and relieving some of our modern stresses. i won't argue with that either. here's the standard i personally use for all the choices in my life: by doing this, am i making my life better, happier, more productive? and does the benefit outweigh the risks and costs? it makes those choices easier, because i see the bigger context of them. (though that demon tobacco keeps coming back to haunt me) for something that chemically influences your physical body so much (and for regular users, take a look at how your tuesdays have been going lately, and you can see the impact of the regular chemical imbalancing pretty easily) -- caution is advised. particularly for young bodies -- if you're a teenager, your body is still growing. your mind is still developing. respect that. and remember, there are counterfeit substances out there that can kill you. be careful. leslie >When I stopped using every weekend, I was up to Having to take 8-10pills. >Do you really need this though? I think that ocasional use is alright, but >when It gets into eveyweekend, that is getting to be excessive, and >damaging. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68168-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 00:38:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84832 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 00:38:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84806 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 00:38:02 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:37:51 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a6.1651eb1a.2877b3df_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Offical 8 week line-up Wednesdays @ LimeLight --part1_a6.1651eb1a.2877b3df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en >=20 BrainChild Records Tour .// 2001 Wednesdays : July 04-Aug 22, 2001 > International Talent Every Wednesday. Check out the best international dj=20 talent every Wednesday at the LimeLight ALL Summer Long! JULY 4 .// KICKOFF > Main Room: Trance / Techno ddr (Live PA) London, UK=20 (C.O.S.H.H. / Hazchem / Stay Up Forever / DAMN Management)One of the origina= l=20 London Acid Techno producer's DDR has been active on the circuit since 1990=20 when he was running the Full-On sound system, later joining forces with the=20 Bedlam to throw free parties / festivals all over Europe. DDR's first vinyl=20 release was on S.U.F. 02 and he has clocked up approx' 100 vinyl credits=20 since on a variety of labels that include Stay Up Forever, Cluster, Choci's=20 Chewn's. ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based=20 trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is=20 guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. ANDY TREX Germany=20 (Noom / Tortured / Tripoli Trax) Born 10.12.68 in Stuttgart, Germany and has been DJing since 1985, Trex has=20 played clubs all over Europe such as Lakota/ Bristol, Melk Weg / Amsterdam,=20 Amnesia / Ibiza, Cave Club / Austria, Grodonia + Oxa, Mad, Biela Factory /=20 Suisse, Nexus + Oz + Ohm + M1 / Stuttgart, Reaktor / Germany, Jailhouse /=20 Germany. Just to name a few. FINESSE SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: House / Trance / Breaks DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: House / Tech House / Club Favorites DEMILO SF (Release / Remedy / Eclipse) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) JULY 11 .// > Main Room: Tech House / Progressive House=20 KAIZEN London, UK=20 (Club Astoria / 12 Inch Monkeys / Orgy)=20 This Artist/Producer has been laying out tracks since the early 90's, being=20 in one of the most popular clubs in london gives him the edge. He will rock=20 your House.=20 GREG SANDLER SF=20 (Harmonics Music / Area 51)=20 JOEY MAZZOLA SF=20 (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) RON "DJ RKTECH" REESER SF=20 (ClockWork Eventz / Radio Active Dj's) Second Level: NRG / Trance / Breaks=20 GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy/ KSJS 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 JULY 18 .// > Main Room: Trance / Hard NRG=20 ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based=20 trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is=20 guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. Official CD Release Party First 100 Clubbers will get a free copy of Armann's Lastest Double CD:=20 ARMANN the BRAINCHILD New York / San Francisco 0.02=20 DYLOOT SF=20 (Skills / Popsikal) Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting=20 over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her= =20 own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her ow= n=20 record label Mad Wax. DJ DREW SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: Progressive House / Tech House RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK=20 (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) KARMA SUTRA Las Vegas (Oracle / Phulux) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / Trance / Club Favorites RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Reocrds / Orgy / KSJA 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 JULY 25 .// > Main Room: Deep House / Tech House H-FOUNDATION featuring: HALO=20 (Siesta / 20/20 Vision / Soma / NRK / Champion Sound) Known as Cutting edge House producers of today, The H-Foundation will=20 rock the crowd until the House falls down. DAVID GARCIA SF=20 (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) JOEY MAZZOLA SF=20 (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) RECKLESS RYAN SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5)=20 Second Level: Trance / UK Hard House / Breaks GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 Front Room: Club Favorites / Progressive House MIKE SLIM SF (Deep Vision Records / Time warp Records) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 AUGUST 01 .// > Main Room: UK Hard House / Trance First West Coast Appearance:=20 JON THE DENTIST London, UK=20 (Phoenix Uprising / 1groove.com / Additive / Tidy Trax / DAMN) Besides running and recording for his Phoenix Uprising and Boscaland labels,= =20 Jon also records for EMI / Positiva offshoot Additive and has had a Top 75=20 hit on Tidy Trax with =E2=80=98Imagination=E2=80=99. He DJs all over the wor= ld with regular=20 visits to Canada, Japan, New York and Germany, and has taken up a residency=20 at "Infamous", Club Loco in Bristol and The Country Club in Dorset. Prominen= t=20 1998 gigs included Dance Valley in Amsterdam, the Berlin Love Parade,=20 Glastonbury and headlining Destiny's World Electronic Music Festival (WEMF)=20 in Toronto, Canada. 1999 saw Jon once again headline both Dance Valley and=20 WEMF, as well as headlining the WEMF Tour of Canada and USA.=20 ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management)=20 DYLOOT SF=20 (Skills / Popsikal) Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting=20 over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. FINESSE SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: NRG / Breaks MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.05) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 Front Room: House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) MIKE SLIM SF (Deep Vision Records / Tome Warp Records) BROOKE MARIE SF (BrainChild Records) AUGUST 08 .// > Main Room: Tech House / Progressive House TERRY MULLAN Chicago=20 (Catalyst Recordings / Champion Sound) One of Chicago's Pioneers in the House Scene, Terry has played all over the=20 globe, with his unique style of House, he will rock the Cazba. GREG SANDLER SF=20 (Harmonics Music / Area 51) JOEY MAZZOLA SF=20 (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK=20 (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) Second Level: Trance / Breaks TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: House / Club Favorites DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 AUGUST 15 .// > Main Room: Tech House / Techno / Trance ANGEL ALANIS Chicago=20 (Moody / Catalyst / Subliminal) Angel leads the pack in the small world of modern Techno, his tracks and=20 remix work in the Chicago House scene have proven himself fit to run with th= e=20 big boys of this game. Current release on labels such as Moody, Subliminal=20 and Catalyst.=20 MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her= =20 own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her ow= n=20 record label Mad Wax. FINESSE SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy) IAN SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 Second Level: Trance / NRG DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) BROOKE MARIE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 AUGUST 22 .// > Main Room: Tech House / Techno / Trance NOSTRUM (LIVE PA) Cologne, Germany=20 (Time Unlimited / Noom Records / DAMN Management) With the Time Unlimited label since its inception in the late 1980's, Nostru= m=20 began his production career with smooth ambient and break-beat until=20 developing his own individual style. His music was to be classified as=20 melodic hard trance with a deeply emotional relationship to his acid machine= ,=20 the Roland TB303, which he uses in virtually all his productions.=20 The End, Brainchild and Baby are some of his most popular releases. He alway= s=20 manages to hit the nail on the head and to match the present "Zeitgeist" wit= h=20 his productions. Therefore it isn't surprising that his music is found on=20 countless compilations (eg. "Techno Trax", "Trance Nation", "D-Trance",=20 etc....). If you are into trance and you don't know Nostrum by now, do=20 yourself a favor and introduce yourself to one of the most highly acclaimed=20 trance producers in the world. If you do know Nostrum, don't miss this rare=20 opportunity to catch a master at work! You will not be disappointed.=20 ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based=20 trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is=20 guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. TOM SLIK SF=20 (Skills / Popsikal) FINESSE SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: House / Breaks / Tech House MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK=20 (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) Front Room: House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 Info > Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door.=20 VIP PASSES : $40=20 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line= =20 and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in=20 entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!!=20 Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes=20 Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2)=20 Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the=20 Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!!=20 web info: www.brainchildentertainment.com phone toll free: 1-800-561-1800 VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose=20 BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara=20 Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley=20 Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m.=20 Early arrival is highly recommended!!!=20 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink www.brainchildentertainment.com =20 =20 =20 --part1_a6.1651eb1a.2877b3df_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68169-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 00:39:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87010 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 00:39:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86966 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 00:39:00 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.16a62427.2877b419@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:38:49 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9a.16a62427.2877b419_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Wednesday @ the LimeLight offical line-up --part1_9a.16a62427.2877b419_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en >=20 BrainChild Records Tour .// 2001 Wednesdays : July 04-Aug 22, 2001 > International Talent Every Wednesday. Check out the best international dj=20 talent every Wednesday at the LimeLight ALL Summer Long! JULY 4 .// KICKOFF > Main Room: Trance / Techno ddr (Live PA) London, UK=20 (C.O.S.H.H. / Hazchem / Stay Up Forever / DAMN Management)One of the origina= l=20 London Acid Techno producer's DDR has been active on the circuit since 1990=20 when he was running the Full-On sound system, later joining forces with the=20 Bedlam to throw free parties / festivals all over Europe. DDR's first vinyl=20 release was on S.U.F. 02 and he has clocked up approx' 100 vinyl credits=20 since on a variety of labels that include Stay Up Forever, Cluster, Choci's=20 Chewn's. ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based=20 trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is=20 guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. ANDY TREX Germany=20 (Noom / Tortured / Tripoli Trax) Born 10.12.68 in Stuttgart, Germany and has been DJing since 1985, Trex has=20 played clubs all over Europe such as Lakota/ Bristol, Melk Weg / Amsterdam,=20 Amnesia / Ibiza, Cave Club / Austria, Grodonia + Oxa, Mad, Biela Factory /=20 Suisse, Nexus + Oz + Ohm + M1 / Stuttgart, Reaktor / Germany, Jailhouse /=20 Germany. Just to name a few. FINESSE SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: House / Trance / Breaks DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: House / Tech House / Club Favorites DEMILO SF (Release / Remedy / Eclipse) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) JULY 11 .// > Main Room: Tech House / Progressive House=20 KAIZEN London, UK=20 (Club Astoria / 12 Inch Monkeys / Orgy)=20 This Artist/Producer has been laying out tracks since the early 90's, being=20 in one of the most popular clubs in london gives him the edge. He will rock=20 your House.=20 GREG SANDLER SF=20 (Harmonics Music / Area 51)=20 JOEY MAZZOLA SF=20 (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) RON "DJ RKTECH" REESER SF=20 (ClockWork Eventz / Radio Active Dj's) Second Level: NRG / Trance / Breaks=20 GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy/ KSJS 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 JULY 18 .// > Main Room: Trance / Hard NRG=20 ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based=20 trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is=20 guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. Official CD Release Party First 100 Clubbers will get a free copy of Armann's Lastest Double CD:=20 ARMANN the BRAINCHILD New York / San Francisco 0.02=20 DYLOOT SF=20 (Skills / Popsikal) Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting=20 over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her= =20 own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her ow= n=20 record label Mad Wax. DJ DREW SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: Progressive House / Tech House RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK=20 (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) KARMA SUTRA Las Vegas (Oracle / Phulux) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / Trance / Club Favorites RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Reocrds / Orgy / KSJA 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 JULY 25 .// > Main Room: Deep House / Tech House H-FOUNDATION featuring: HALO=20 (Siesta / 20/20 Vision / Soma / NRK / Champion Sound) Known as Cutting edge House producers of today, The H-Foundation will=20 rock the crowd until the House falls down. DAVID GARCIA SF=20 (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) JOEY MAZZOLA SF=20 (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) RECKLESS RYAN SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5)=20 Second Level: Trance / UK Hard House / Breaks GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 Front Room: Club Favorites / Progressive House MIKE SLIM SF (Deep Vision Records / Time warp Records) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 AUGUST 01 .// > Main Room: UK Hard House / Trance First West Coast Appearance:=20 JON THE DENTIST London, UK=20 (Phoenix Uprising / 1groove.com / Additive / Tidy Trax / DAMN) Besides running and recording for his Phoenix Uprising and Boscaland labels,= =20 Jon also records for EMI / Positiva offshoot Additive and has had a Top 75=20 hit on Tidy Trax with =E2=80=98Imagination=E2=80=99. He DJs all over the wor= ld with regular=20 visits to Canada, Japan, New York and Germany, and has taken up a residency=20 at "Infamous", Club Loco in Bristol and The Country Club in Dorset. Prominen= t=20 1998 gigs included Dance Valley in Amsterdam, the Berlin Love Parade,=20 Glastonbury and headlining Destiny's World Electronic Music Festival (WEMF)=20 in Toronto, Canada. 1999 saw Jon once again headline both Dance Valley and=20 WEMF, as well as headlining the WEMF Tour of Canada and USA.=20 ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management)=20 DYLOOT SF=20 (Skills / Popsikal) Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting=20 over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. FINESSE SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: NRG / Breaks MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.05) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 Front Room: House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) MIKE SLIM SF (Deep Vision Records / Tome Warp Records) BROOKE MARIE SF (BrainChild Records) AUGUST 08 .// > Main Room: Tech House / Progressive House TERRY MULLAN Chicago=20 (Catalyst Recordings / Champion Sound) One of Chicago's Pioneers in the House Scene, Terry has played all over the=20 globe, with his unique style of House, he will rock the Cazba. GREG SANDLER SF=20 (Harmonics Music / Area 51) JOEY MAZZOLA SF=20 (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK=20 (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) Second Level: Trance / Breaks TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: House / Club Favorites DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 AUGUST 15 .// > Main Room: Tech House / Techno / Trance ANGEL ALANIS Chicago=20 (Moody / Catalyst / Subliminal) Angel leads the pack in the small world of modern Techno, his tracks and=20 remix work in the Chicago House scene have proven himself fit to run with th= e=20 big boys of this game. Current release on labels such as Moody, Subliminal=20 and Catalyst.=20 MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her= =20 own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her ow= n=20 record label Mad Wax. FINESSE SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy) IAN SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 Second Level: Trance / NRG DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) BROOKE MARIE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 AUGUST 22 .// > Main Room: Tech House / Techno / Trance NOSTRUM (LIVE PA) Cologne, Germany=20 (Time Unlimited / Noom Records / DAMN Management) With the Time Unlimited label since its inception in the late 1980's, Nostru= m=20 began his production career with smooth ambient and break-beat until=20 developing his own individual style. His music was to be classified as=20 melodic hard trance with a deeply emotional relationship to his acid machine= ,=20 the Roland TB303, which he uses in virtually all his productions.=20 The End, Brainchild and Baby are some of his most popular releases. He alway= s=20 manages to hit the nail on the head and to match the present "Zeitgeist" wit= h=20 his productions. Therefore it isn't surprising that his music is found on=20 countless compilations (eg. "Techno Trax", "Trance Nation", "D-Trance",=20 etc....). If you are into trance and you don't know Nostrum by now, do=20 yourself a favor and introduce yourself to one of the most highly acclaimed=20 trance producers in the world. If you do know Nostrum, don't miss this rare=20 opportunity to catch a master at work! You will not be disappointed.=20 ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based=20 trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is=20 guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. TOM SLIK SF=20 (Skills / Popsikal) FINESSE SF=20 (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: House / Breaks / Tech House MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK=20 (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) Front Room: House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy)=20 Info > Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door.=20 VIP PASSES : $40=20 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line= =20 and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in=20 entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!!=20 Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes=20 Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2)=20 Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the=20 Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!!=20 web info: www.brainchildentertainment.com phone toll free: 1-800-561-1800 VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose=20 BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara=20 Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley=20 Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m.=20 Early arrival is highly recommended!!!=20 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink www.brainchildentertainment.com =20 =20 =20 --part1_9a.16a62427.2877b419_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68170-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 00:40:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89086 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 00:40:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89076 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 00:40:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 17:38:28 -0700 From: IntenSmile In-reply-to: To: Yarrow220@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SERENITY timeslots? Does anyone have a list of the timeslots at Serenity tomorrow night? Thanks, Brian -----Original Message----- From: Yarrow220@aol.com [mailto:Yarrow220@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:23 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] SERENITY this Saturday...............bsp OK, Folks its right around the corner so plan to come out tomarrow night and bring a friend... Saturday July 7, 2001 Mystical Mayhem presents... SERENITY -2 Year Anniversary Independence Weekend Celebration Located at The Concourse @ 8th and Brannon in San Francisco PROGRESSIVE HOUSE/ TRIBAL/ TECH-HOUSE (BANGIN' RYTHMS AND DEEP SOULFULL GROOVES) RICHARD 'HUMPTY' VISSION- EXCLUSIVE NOTHERN CALIFORNIA appearance by the GRAMMY NOMINATED DJ/ PRODUCER celebrating the first Saturday of his CD Release Tour for "DAMN THAT DJ MADE MY DAY!!" Due out July 3, 2001. URB magazine is the official sponsor of the "Damn That DJ Made My Day Tour". JENO (WICKED, SF) TONY (Come-Unity, SF) DAVID COLEMAN AND SENSI (Release, SF) JOEY MAZZOLA (AM Crew/RadioActive/Soulmatic, SF) DAVID GARCIA (Soulmatic, SF) GREG SANDLER (Harmony, SJ) ELLEN FARATO (Sugar/ Release, SF) HUEY (Nightlife, SF) M.A.C (Harmonics, SR) TRANCE/ NRG/ ANTHEMS (MELODIC JOURNEYS) NOSTRUM-LIVE PA direct from COLOGNE, GERMANY, EXCLUSIVE NOTHERN CALIFORNIA appearance, (TIME UNLIMITED, NOOM RECORDS- DAMN Management) Thomas Trouble (SF, Blutonium Records) Dyloot (SKILLS, SF) Gianni (Spundae/ DJGIANNI.COM, SR) Tom Slik (SKILLS, SF) Uphonic (E.T.A., SF) St. John (HouseNation/ 94.9, SF), CD Release Tracer (Tektite, SF) CD Release of "TRACER" Morgan (Hard NRG/ Loteck Records, SF) DJ Hek (GHOSTRIBE Krew, SF) JUNGLE/ DRUM & BASS/ BREAKS/ 2 STEP (TOP DECK TECHNICIANS) The Vixen (SO-MUCH-GLOW, L.A./ Portland) Hak (Black Pearl, SJ) Billy Lane (916 Junglists/ Black Locusts, Sac.) FRANK NITTY (GHOSTIRBE Krew, SF) MC Ragga Bonton (Black Locust/ Bombastik, Sac.) Siphon (Urban Assault, SJ)- Nu Skool Breaks Set RIF (In Tha Mix, Sac.) Bicolas (SKILLS, SF) Buchweechio (SKILLS, SF) AND MOTE TBA.... SOUND: JK SOUND LIGHTING: STIM-U-LIGHTS VISUALS and PROJECTIONS: VIBERATION VS. EYELUSIONS VS. STIM-U-LIGHTS VS. MARK JOHNS for the ultimate visual LASERS: UV-99 VS. STIM-U-LIGHTS LOCATION; The Concourse, SF 24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION: (415)-789-7344 / (415)-273-5720 / (408)-882-5090 THE VIBE: YOU BROWSE: THE MODERN ART EXPO PRESENTED BY SO-MUCH-GLOW SHOWCASING MULTI-MEDIA and VISUAL ARTISTS FROM THE BAY AREA UNDERGROUND. 4 ARENAS of THUNDERING BASS AND CRISP SONIC STIMULATION featuring JK SOUND's Eastern Acoustic Works Sound Systems Lots of FREE CD's / tape and Gear Giveaways courtesy of Mystical Mayhem, Tommy Boy Records, LIVE365.com, Harmonics, Noom Records, Black Pearl, Ghostribe Krew, Skills, Tektite, HouseNation, NightLife, DJGIANNI.COM, Soulmatic, Lotek Records, Electric Nerve, Harmony and more... STUNNING VISUALS, LAVIOUS INTELLIGENT LIGHTING, AND AN ORGANIC NUTRICIOUS VIBE!!! 21+ COCKTAIL LOUNGE/ BEER GARDEN w/ live mixin' DJ's and progressive house/trance (I.D. please) FREE REFRESHING FRUIT BUFFET FULLY PERMITTED and 100% SECURE HUGE MULTIPLE linoleum dance floors for extra groovy breakin' and funky fresh moves ALL ARTISTS ARE CONFIRMED!!! Clean Restrooms inside and out This event will sell out presale!!!! Open aired area for smoking Plenty of Friendly Security Located within walking distance of BART, MUNI, other forms of public transit. SERENITY has always been a small party with a big impact. Please don't be confused by the flyer. This event will be limited capacity!! This is a: If-you-wait-and-lag-to-get-a-ticket-you-will-hear-about-it-afterwards-type-of- show!!!!! SERENITY will sell out presale so don't wait to grab a ticket from the authorized outlets below: AVAILABLE MONDAY 6/18/01 or go online now Buy a presale for yourself and a friend to save time and $ and assure your attendance Interdictory presale price of $30.00 When those are gone $35.00 ON LINE TICKETS: WWW.ACTEVA.COM/GO/SERENITY WWW.GROOVETICKETS.COM GET DOOR PRIVILEGES AND MUSIC GIVEAWAYS w/ ONLINE tixs San Francisco F-8 Records, 1816 Haight St., (415)-221-4142 Spundae Records, 678 Haight St., (415)-575-1580 Clear Music, 147 Valencia St., (415)-437-1587 Briandrops, 1873 Hayes St., (415)-206-1576 Housewares, 1322 Haight St., (415)-252-1400 South Bay Ultra Soundz, 482 San Mateo, San Bruno, (650)-871-4170 Remix, 508 E. 3rd Ave., San Mateo, (650)-344-8060 Vibes, 1222 El Camino, Redwood City, (650)-299-0230 Solid Grooves, 2271 The Alameda, San Jose, (408)-248-6399 Popeye's, 291 South Capitol Ave., San Jose, (408)-729-3600 Pipeline, 818 Pacific Ave., Santa Cruz, (831)-425-7473 Rock Zone, 1280 1st St. # B, Gilroy, (408)-848-5055 Krate, 1274 N. Main St., Salinas, (831)-443-6580 East Bay/ Contra Costa/ Outer Bay Skills DJ Workshop, 2575Telegraph St., Berkley, (510)-704-9876 Generation Rock, 1820 Mt. Diablo St., Concord, (925)-682-9042 BASS Records, 36488 Fremont Blvd., Fremont, (510)-739-1862 Twilight Zone, 24463 Mission Blvd., Hayward, (510)-538-7945 Charlottes Web, 2160 Railroad Ave., Livermore, (925)-449-6165 Black Widow, 8909 Thornton Rd., Stockton, (209)-475-9005 Legacy Imports, 526 W. Ben Holt, Stockton, (209)-474-9009 In Tha Mix, 2329 I St., Sacramento, (916)-442-0499 Subsonic Underground, 106 J St., Sacramento, (916)-441-2775 Northern Bay Rock-On, 1630 North Texas St., Fairfield, (707)-422-2080 Harmonics, 404 Suite D Mendocino Ave., Santa Rosa, (707)-571-8747 Music Coop, 9 Petaluma Blvd., Petaluma, (707)-762-4257 Doc of Rock, 1811 Old Sonoma Rd., Napa, (707)-226-7652 Home Blown Glass-7108 Bodega Avenue, Sebastopol, (707)-824-8242 Come one and all glorious and independent people to celebrate and rejoice @ The Independence Day Weekend Extravaganza SERENITY 2 Year Anniversary!!! If you missed Mystical Mayhem's SERENITY May 19th at the METREON -A Sony Entertainment Center, then grab a presale for our 2 Year Anniversary July 7, 2001 SERENITY, and if you were there...than get ready to feel SERENITY again!!! We have been planning a wonderful celebration to recapture the essence of music and rejoice in the memories of all the artist and people who have made SERENITY special. A partial list of previous performers include: Bad Boy Bill, Dieselboy, Deepsky, DRC, Terry Mullen, Usual Suspects, R.A.W., not to mention the FINEST LOCAL TALENT REPRESENTING NORTHERN CALIFORNIA W/ TRANCE, NRG, HOUSE, JUNGLE, DRUM N BASS, AND BANGING BREAKBEATS. We are committed to bringing in International DJ's and Performers from Around the World while firmly supporting the best Bay Area DJ's and our fragile Northern California scene. SERENITY has always been something special and a personal expression of the abundance that can be created for a single night of dance and celebration. SERENITY is about transforming a space into a festive and entertaining environment. SERENITY was conceived as a way to excite old school jaded _avers and entice new participants into sharing a night that becomes more than the sum of its parts. SERENITY isn't a HOUSE party or a showcase for Trance. SERENITY isn't just the Jungle and Drum n Bass Arena. SERENITY isn't just ELECTRONIC MUSIC or DJ's. SERENITY is when in the midst if pure pleasure you gaze from the performer to the crowd and your eyes catch that of a smiling stranger and you both know without speaking...that this is it! The time is now! 7-7-01 SERENITY is about to blow the roof off our last show. And yes, it's in San Francisco! If we only talked about the music and artists being the experience of these shows than we have failed to convey the most important ingredient in the moment: all of you. It is the unity of the group and the vibe that each of you bring that propels the night into bliss. What really make these shows so unique are the intangible energies that our togetherness creates. Welcome to all fun loving and responsible 18+ W/ I.D. COMING SOON: WWW.MYSTICALMAYHEM.TV LIVE WEB CAST FROM: WWW.LIVE365.COM To those who have supported these events and our efforts with their smiles and joy here is to all of you, as we get down in S.F. in a truly mystical style. Witness San Francisco in her glory the weekend of Freedom, Self-Expression, and Fun. Tour the CITY, enjoy the beach and than rock out to the finest dance music from around the globe. NO pens, bottles, other containers, food or candy please. A zero tolerance policy will be enforced towards drugs, sexual harassment, and shady behavior. All guest lists must be pre-approved via e24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION: Email @ MysticalMayhem1@aol.com Lineup subject to change so call info lines for added attractions and more performers This is a benefit for seratonin: Party sober, remember the music and still get crazy! If you like to help promote, contribute art or get involved call our 24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION (415)-789-7344 / (415)-273-5720 / (408)-882-5090 and leave a message and you can join the mystical mayhem mailing list to save trees. Serenity prep arties: >> call (415)-273-5720 for updates Friday July 6 Team Tigger, Plastic Fantastic- (707)-323-1494 (show serenity presale and get free water) <> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68171-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 00:46:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92673 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 00:46:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92653 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 00:46:37 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:45:59 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_df.171db3f9.2877b5c7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Armann the BrainChild new CD in stores --part1_df.171db3f9.2877b5c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Armann the BrainChild New York / San Francisco 0.02 "A unique mix of uplifting progressive house, edgy trance and exquisite=20 blending, that is guaranteed to stir the mind, body, and soul" Over 2 =BD hours of music on 2 continuous mix CDs Featuring the music of=20 ATB Azzido da Bass Bedrock DJ Quicksilver John Johnson Planet Perfecto Timo Maas And many more plus the remix of "Silence" featuring Sarah MacLachlan Available at Wherehouse Music, Tower Records, Virgin Megastore, Rasputin=20 Music, Streetlight Records, Brainchild Records and music stores everywhere. Track Listing > =20 CD 1 =20 01 Silence Delerium featuring Sarah McLachlan=20 02 The Jackal Nerva Brainchild Mix =20 03 Standing Silvio Ecomo =20 04 I Will Be With You Ursula's World (John Johnson Mix) =20 05 Dooms Night Azzido Da Bass (Timo Maas Mix)=20 06 Brain Mind Technology Sneaky Alien =20 07 Not Over Yet '99 Planet Perfecto featuring Grace =20 08 Heaven Scent Bedrock (Original Mix) =20 09 Cabal DJ Hitch Hiker presents Lunatic Asylum(Energy Flow) =20 10 Communicate Sasha & John Digweed (Killer Loop the Blue Hour) =20 CD 2=20 =20 01 Utopia (Brainchild Mix) =20 02 Heaven's Gate Freon=20 03 Stanley Airheadz (Stanley's In a Trance Mix) =20 04 Ameno DJ Quicksilver =20 05 True Sky Box =20 06 The Only One DJ Allison=20 07 Shout Sagitaire (C'mon) (Airscape Mix) =20 08 Your Eyes Tazka=20 09 Paint It Black The DJ Network =20 10 Prepare DJ Gollum & DJ Yanny p/Neo Cortex =20 11 Fields of Love ATB featuring York =20 =20 log on: www.brainchildentertainment.com =20 =20 --part1_df.171db3f9.2877b5c7_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68172-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 00:49:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94933 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 00:49:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94922 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 00:49:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707004944.39912.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: LiL One Reply-To: LiLTaiida22@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] *~*PAGING GREG SANDLER*~* *~*~GREG~*~*~ I haven't found your fax, Can u please bring it tomorrow for me??? I'll be training in the production at the station on monday, so I may be able to work the sets for you and then get it out hopefully early next week. E~Mail me or call me as soon as you get this please. thanks~ ~Tami ===== Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* ~~Tami :-) (408) 821-6012 ___________________________________________________________ Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68173-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 00:54:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97745 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 00:54:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97735 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 00:54:11 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 05:54:07 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: d136.nas21.sonic.net [209.204.136.136]; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:54:05 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP TONIGHT *INNTENSE* Tonight! Geddon & the Inn Present: The Last Party at the Inn of the Beginning in Cotati! All Ages 8 PM till 8 AM!!! Moda Phil Smart Dj D Erik Brown Geddon Stevie B Ryan Wilbur Shaman Diversion Undercover Wain Kevin C 8201 Old Redwood Hwy, Cotati 707.664.1100 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68174-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 01:07:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3529 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 01:07:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3519 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 01:07:46 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:18:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HOUSE MUSIC 101: Issue 21 - Introduction to the Eighties "What remains is the music. It was the music that brought us together, music that kept us in touch, music that saw us through and, finally, out. Appropriately, the same music that shaped our lives soothed our deaths.... When music is your way of life -- your blood, your air, your ground -- it informs every moment, even the silent ones.... The music never stops. It helps us to remember, helps us to connect, helps us to go on. And on." -Vince Aletti on AIDS and UDM quoted by Kai Fikentscher, "Underground Dance Music in New York City" (Wesleyan University Press, Hanover and London, 2000), p. 114. "Dig a hole, cover it with a couple of doors and then throw three feet of dirt on top. It's the dirt that does it.... Everybody's going to make it if there are enough shovels to go around." -Thomas K. Jones, Reagan administration defense official in an interview with LA Times reporter Robert Scheer on a multi-million dollar civil defense program during Reagan's massive transfer of funds from domestic programs to the military in the 80s. XXI. INTRODUCTION TO THE EIGHTIES. Most histories of EDM read like the "Rough Guides" to Electronica: lots of names, places, attempts to classify genres and sub genres (often with complex charts and diagrams), hallmark recordings, and brief historical overviews. These publications are useful tools for those who have some experience with the music, just like Cliff's Notes can refresh the mind for an exam -- if you've actually read the material. These handy guides, however, make it appear to the neophyte as if the evolution of EDM and house music is a simplistic matter of names and musical influences. There is little attempt to contextualize the material; to put a human face on the sounds. Music, that most primal expression of the soul, is reduced to soulless lists of names and dates and gross oversimplifications of the emotional and creative processes involved in artistic innovation. House music and EDM as we know it arose out of the ashes of disco and seventies underground dance culture in the eighties -- a time of great social, political, technological and cultural change. A. THE BLACK AND WHITE DECADE In the more rigid, Puritanical segments of my family there is an expression that I often heard as a child: "Laugh today, cry tomorrow." The intent was clear. Those who devote too much time to fun and pleasure will ultimately suffer great pain and sorrow. A Puritan's version of Karma. For me and my comrades in the underground music scene, the eighties appeared to be a fulfillment of my relatives' black karmic beliefs. Good or bad, karma can change life like the flick of a horse's tail. My life changed completely in the eighties. I vividly remember waiting for a trolley with my partner on Market Street in the late eighties just after we had moved from the east coast to San Francisco. A group of people drove by in a car and shouted to us: "Long live the black and white!!" They were referring to our clothes. Everything we had on was either black or white. The eighties. I started to notice midway through the eighties that my once colorful, costume-filled closet had taken on a hard, severe edge. Blacks, whites, shades of gray. Leather. As time went by, black boots, chains, military gear overlaid with the blacks filled the shelves. Mourning. Despair. Cynicism. Rage. Those things and, perhaps, lack of my former appreciation for nuance and playfulness. 1. AIDS In July of 1981 there appeared in the "New York Times" a little, one-column article with the head: "Rare Cancer Seen in 41 Homosexuals." This was the beginning of twenty years of living under the sword of Damocles for me and my comrades who managed by some miracle to survive 'till now the plague of AIDS. For most of my friends, however, this header was a prelude to their own obituaries. I thought that after all these years of living with the sickness and the dying of all these dancers from the dance my heart would grow hard; that my emotions would be in check and well-defended. But I still often weep uncontrollably when I recall those days; when I see a comrade's obituary; or when I hear of another young dancer's recent infection. And I find it difficult to write about all this. To me, however, the pain and suffering of AIDS, and the music that was created and the dancing that was done in defiance of death has more to do with the creation of the soulful, spiritual and sensual music that is house than technology or technique. At first we all thought that this infection or whatever that was going around was some minor threat that would be dealt with swiftly by science. As the eighties rolled on it became clear that the killing machine that would be called human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) was only gearing up in those early years for the slaughter that was to follow. Relentless, it was. And democratic. Everyone who was infected with that virus -- rich, poor, black, white, priest, pagan -- lived under a certain death sentence. Until 1996, with the introduction of the new antiretroviral class of drugs, there was no appealing that sentence. No chance to buy some time. Once the evil virus started ripping apart your immune system you had one to three years to live, and that time could hardly be classified as "quality." The lucky died quickly of PCP pneumonia. Others wasted away for months -- some years -- with all kinds of horrid infections chopping away at their bodies and souls. Young boys became walking skeletons -- eaten up by fungal infestations; made blind; suffering dementia. A dark night of the soul if there ever was one. Now these boys, for they were all very young men, had grown up hating themselves because they happened to love those of the same sex. They lacked self love because they were almost universally hated and despised by mainstream Puritan society. That greatest expression of human love, sexuality, was for them an outlawed activity. A black sin. So they came to the big cities like New York and San Francisco to find community. Support. Those boys suffered for years inside the gut and soul working through all this negativity to free themselves from the hate. I know how painful and exhausting that process was. For many the communal, tribal experience of music and dance with others of their kind helped heal wounded souls and open closed hearts. The music reflects this struggle. Finally, these boy dancers had reached a point where they could love themselves and find joy in sharing their sexuality with other boys. Then -- the horror -- this invisible monster lands in their midst and cries out: "Because you have loved other boys you will die!!!" The very thing that defined us spiritually, our sexuality, was killing us off by the thousands. Familiar faces just disappeared from the dance floor. Kids committed suicide. Not a week went by without two or three memorial services. We died because we loved. And since we were Americans, and prone to backslide into Puritan negativity relating to pleasure and sex, it certainly seemed that we had been abandoned by the official God and were being punished for our evil ways. Some went back into the closet. Others embraced religion and became self-hating homophobes. I confess during all the confusion, depression and blackness of those times that my relatives' expression floated through my mind and, hell, if I had occasion to talk with them they would tell me this directly. Not only them. The religious right gloried in all this death and dying. "The homosexuals are getting what they deserved." Those old self-hatreds were back and being reinforced by mainstream society. Not only were we evil and sinful, but now we were lepers carrying a deadly disease and should be avoided at all costs. Hospitals in those early days used full quarantine measures with infected boys, so one had to dress in gowns, masks, and gloves to bid loved ones farewell. Gays were fired from restaurant and other public contact positions because it was feared they would infect the patrons. Straight friends would cancel social appointments, especially dinners and other intimate occasions, because they thought they might "catch something." I started to notice Lysol cans in the bathrooms where I worked. Question was: "Could one share a bathroom facility with a queer?" On and on, days black as nights, one was surrounded by revitalized bigotry, religious condemnation, and abandonment by family and straight friends. At the Paradise Garage we didn't have to worry much about straight folks pretending to be gay to get on the list anymore. Only the bravest would dance with the gay boys in those days. Ignorance about the disease fueled paranoia and hysteria and our dance scene became a true underground once more. NEXT: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF DANCING IN A PLAGUE: THE EIGHTIES CONTINUED. Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68175-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 01:11:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5190 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 01:11:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5179 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 01:11:21 -0000 From: "G Sauce" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:15:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp Amnesia Saturday July 7th ~ 9pm- 2AM Buddha Hi Fi presents an evening at Amnesia, with guest dj Tracy. Amnesia is located at 853 Valencia btw 19th and 20th. Cover $3 21+ please DJs for the evening include DJ Tracy (raindance, quest, endup) www.djtracy.com Gabe ~ Drew ~ Rachel www.buddha-hifi.com/amnesia.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68176-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 01:47:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16816 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 01:47:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16806 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 01:47:51 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20010706203702.12512.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:46:42 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage i think you've got the right idea, dr. blindspot, but i'm not really certain the actual welcome to sfraves email says anything about forbidding people to post their personal drug experiences...rather it reminds one that when they do post their personal drug experiences, it's now on permanent public record on a website that we can all be sure is monitored by the government. a few years back someone *really* crossed the line, and all the old timers probably know what i'm talking about, but i'm not going to get into that. let me give you a hint...incriminating yourself is one thing. incriminating someone else by saying you bought, sold, etc, mentioning someone else's name other than someone who is dead, isn't really looked upon with the greatest fondness by most intelligent people. but then again, back to the self part. i've kind of given up on being concerned about people posting their personal drug experiences. i do, however, wonder how people who aren't experienced with drug use and want to learn more. apparently the technical information provided in dancesafe's website wasn't enough for one person. what do we say to those people? if it were me looking for information on subjects that are illegal, i'd probably try to find the answer offline, by meeting people and asking them, even if it's just offline conversations via email. in reality, the average person probably doesn't have too much to worry about the feds showing up at their doorstep. i gotta tell you though...nothing beats personal contact and keeping things on the lowdown. fog out >There's a fine line here when talking about drugs. I'd say you just >crossed it. > >But to each their own. You must have some extra cash lying around. :P > > >I had to harsh such a blatant (naive? honest?) post. > >I'd say if you think something (anything really) you do is special >and you want to keep it that way, then don't do it too much. Does >that make sense? > > > >>I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The thing is I >>like to take it almost every weekend now, and sometimes I would >>like to take it more than that. I have gone to the site >>"dancesafe.org" to try to find a safe dosage and the amount of time >>that one should wait between doing it, but have been unsuccessful. >>I would love if someone out there could give me an idea of how long >>one should wait and how much is too much. >> >>Thanks Soooo Much, >> >> >>Love to dance, n dance to love... >> >>Tet >> >>___________________________________________________________________ >>Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >-- >-blindspot > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68177-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 01:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18919 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 01:54:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18908 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 01:54:19 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.8] Message-Id: <20010707015415.E23D53ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hello 2Day...Ascnsion Wow….Ascension was Totally Bad Ass man! I mean, Wow! OK, opening set was ACME DJs! Adrian spun her lil’ Jungle set! It was pretty Phat from what I heard ‘cause I was like outside still ‘cause I kinda chilled when I got there from BART & did the whole lookin’ like a street kid bit! That was fun ‘cause people didn’t recognize me at first. LoL. I wore my Jack Daniels bandana which kinda put me incog I guess. People also thought I was like lookin’ hella pissed or something ‘cause I had this like, I guess, mean expression on my face and I was kinda talkin’ sorta unplurrie for a while! Ghetto Osby..Ooooohoooo…LoL. I mean, I was kinda drained from my public transportation commute to Berk & I guess I was a lil’ cranky!! I think it was like Ryan or Becca that said they never seen me so look and act all thuggy! LoL When I finally got downstairs at Blakes, Spyhunter from Hawaii was spinning and he was all up w/ the Melodic Trance!! It was Sick! & he Spun a really Awesome set! His mixing style was pretty Dope ‘cause he did the cross fade tricks w/ other records & played a lot w/ like the volume & did the knob tweakin’ !! So that was Dope!! I remember the last song in his set was a Hybrid track. The Liquid Mercury crew was up next and it was all about the Tag Teaming! Hello 2Day, I was in Heaven ‘cause it was all about the Break Beats during this whole set!! Wow! Madame Mercury was up first and she was Soo Sick! All the Liquid Mecury DJs did a Dope ass job! I mean, Oh My Gosh, they totally went from Future Break Beats to Old School & all this Funky shit that totally had me goin’ on the Dance Floor like totally man! It was Groovy! Koris from Switzerland was up next it was funny ‘cause we talked when he like arrived and stuff, ya know. He told me something about his Techno and Jungle records were like left in Amsterdam or got lost on his flight or something & all he had was jus’ Trance records with him. He really wanted to spin Techno at Ascesnion, but oh well. Man, his vibes are so CooL! I mean, He’s like totally nice & had this Dope Ass Swiss Accent & he looks Filipino. So that was Groovy. Anywaze, he got on the decks and started spinning all this Melodic & Progressive Trance. It would been like, “OK, yeah, heard this stuff earlier la la la la la la la” dealie, but Hello 2Day, this was all, to us Americans, Import Melodic & Progressive Trance & this shit was Totally Sick! It’s nice hearin’ the ususal Anthem Mix, but man, this soooo blew me away ‘cause it wasn’t the usual stuff (but I don’t mind hearin’ Silence by Delerium every so often ‘cause I Love it)! It reminded me of when Grant Plant spun @ Spundaes a few months ago! Oh yeah, & what totally get’s me off totally goin’ is when DJs totally get into the vibe of their set & Homeboy was all hoppin’ up & down, throwin’ his hands in the air, and totally dancin’ in the DJ booth while drinkin’ his Red Bull! I swear man, I Love seein’ that shit! Even when he would like go back to his record case to get a new record, he would dtill be dancin’! Or he’d even take off his earphones and start Groovin’! LoL The over vibe was pretty Sick! Good sprits all around!! I noticed a lot Space Monkey crossovers of people I usually see at Space Monkey and they’ve been comin’ to Ascension since the night change! The FW fan club chics were there being annoying as usual, but oh well! Speakin’ of annoying, there was this totally Faded dude who kept totally bumping into people while he was dancing. He even hit me in the nose this one time during the night!! He placed his glasses on a table by where he was dancing and I was sooooooo tempted to turn in his glasses to the lost in found when he wasn’t looking‘cause he was annoying as fuck! But I didn’t! Then there was Sexy Latina dancer who was all dancing Salsa w/ her almost spiked heals and her lil’ skirt! It kinda worked during the Liquid Mercury Break Beat set, but it didn’t do so good during the Trance sets! But it was Totally fun to watch! Oh, & there’s this like middle aged from Texas lookin’ couple who always seem to make it to Ascension right during the last set! I Like this couple ‘cause we always talk and they’re so nice! I mean, those to are all aobut havin’ fun & dancin’!! Oh, & the lady always has these funky hairstyles that look neat!! LoL =) Oh, Mel & Joe are up from LA & they were totally kickin’ it at Ascension! So that was a mondo highlight for alota people!! Oooooooh, RIP MLK pad! The memories…. We miss U! Oh, so yeah, My Darlin’ Nic & Lyds were there!! So Dope! Lil Bro Aaron showed up w/ Nat from San Jo! Man, I Love hittin’ the floor w/ Nat ‘cause girl got moves & I totally vibe off her when I’m Groovin’! I also Love seein’ my Lil’ Bro hit the floor ‘cause he got Homeboy got total rhythmSo Phat! It’s Groovy seei’n Veronica out & aobut a lot lately!!! yay! Missed you John & I hope things are totally alright w/ the fam! Fun….but the morning basically jus begun! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68178-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 01:56:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 01:56:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20281 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 01:56:21 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:56:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.8] Message-Id: <20010707015617.5C8F636F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Afterwards I was totally debating at this point about goin’ home ‘cause I coulda got a ride, but there was this big hype about an after party Rave goin’ on in Oakland. So I went to that & followed me party nomadic ways! OK….it was all about the House now!!! Got the w/ Lyds & Nic & man, it was somewhat refreshing hearin’ house & Groovin’ on the floor to it! I didn’t catch the 1st DJs name who spun, but his set was totally Deep house all the way! Hello 2Day! The 2nd DJ who got up was EO!!! OK, it was all Deep & Funky that he spun, but Oh mY Goodness, he totally busted out “Funky Town” by Lipps Inc & I was so Diggin’ that!!! Then he busted out this Michael Jackson “Thriller” loop record that was Sick!! Man, I was diggin’ this! Big Rave Dave hit the decks next & totally spun this Dope ass House set w/ is something I never heard Dave Spin before, so that was Sweet! Not that many people showed up actually! ACME crew was there to kick it, some Blakes bar hoppers also showed up, & friends of the venue owner were there! It was small! But what was Totally CooL was that after months, I finally got 2 kick it w/ Mike & Darren who are two of my best friends & they’re Blakes Bar flies like me! So it was Fun hangin’ out w/ them in the AM hours ‘cause it’s something we always did on the weeknights like for the past few years. But yeah, all my atempts of finding a way to get back to Hercules were useless! I ended taking BART, The JX bus, then Westcat to get home! LoL…Oh well, it was kinda humorous & stuff ‘cause I was talkin’ to some of the morning commuters ‘cause they though I was comin’ of Graveyard! I was all, “No, I jus’ been out dancin’ the past 10 hours!” LoL I also made friends w/ a few bus drivers! Ooooh, I miss not having a car! =( Well, have a Good weekend all! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68179-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 02:06:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23149 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 02:06:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23138 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 02:06:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.174.226.250] From: "<> garber" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:05:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 02:05:45.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[550DD2A0:01C10689] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] being at Ascension... I had fun last night. It's always nice to spend a late evening sipping on vodka tonics and convulsing around on the dancefloor. Hmmm, well, for me it is nice, and the unlucky ones who happened to get caught in my path...I'm sorry for hitting you. And my cousin was there. Strange things happen when two completely insane relatives get together. For whatever reason last night was charged with a kind of powerful vibration that has left me spinning still today (and no, it's not the after glow of alcohol). I'll admit that most of the music and most of the crowd left me unsatisfied, but those tracks that hit (hit hard) and the people who were smiling at me (made my heart feel like singing). Maybe it's just mother moon and her witchy ways. Regardless, I wanted to take this opportunity to give shouts! love and respect to all My people out there....hmmm, who are you? you can tell us apart from the others. Making magic with each step. grazie ACME as always. Sarah "open your eyes and look within, are you satisfied, with the life you're living? We know where we're going, cause we know where we're from. We're leaving Babylon, we're going to the Promised Land" :::E X O D U S::: _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68180-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 03:17:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41981 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 03:17:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41969 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 03:17:38 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:16:57 EDT To: purenrg@pacbell.net, Yarrow220@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: SERENITY timeslots, final bsp and info Rm 4 6-7: Hex 7-8: Tracer 8-9: Ghost 9-10: Greg Sandler 10-11: Joey Mazzola 11-12:30 Richard Humpty Vission 12:45- 1:45 Nostrum Rm 3 6-7: Morgan 7-8: Uphonic 8-9: Tom Slik 9-10: St. John 10-11: Gianni 11-12:30 Dyloot 12:30-1:45 Thomas Trouble Rm 2 6-7: Mac 7-8: Huey 8-9: Ellen Ferratto 9-10:15 David Garcia vs Ron Reeser 10:15-11:30 Tony 11:30-12:45 Jeno 12:45-1:45 David Coleman & Sen-sei Rm 1=20 6-7:30 Bicolas vs Bucweechio 7:30-8:30 Vixen 8:30 - 9:30 Rif 9:30-10:30 Billy Lane w/ MC Ragga Bonton 10:30-11:30 Siphon 11:30-12:30 Frank Nitty 12:30-1:45 Hak OK, Folks its right around the corner so plan to come out tomarrow night and= =20 bring a friend... Saturday July 7, 2001 Mystical Mayhem presents... SERENITY -2 Year=20 Anniversary Independence Weekend Celebration Located at The Concourse @ 8th and Brannon in San Francisco PROGRESSIVE HOUSE/ TRIBAL/ TECH-HOUSE (BANGIN' RYTHMS AND DEEP SOULFULL=20 GROOVES) RICHARD 'HUMPTY' VISSION- EXCLUSIVE NOTHERN CALIFORNIA appearance by the=20 GRAMMY NOMINATED DJ/ PRODUCER celebrating the first Saturday of his CD=20 Release Tour for "DAMN THAT DJ MADE MY DAY!!" Due out July 3, 2001. URB=20 magazine is the official sponsor of the "Damn That DJ Made My Day Tour". JENO (WICKED, SF) TONY (Come-Unity, SF)=20 DAVID COLEMAN AND SENSI (Release, SF) JOEY MAZZOLA (AM Crew/RadioActive/Soulmatic, SF) DAVID GARCIA (Soulmatic, SF) GREG SANDLER (Harmony, SJ) ELLEN FARATO (Sugar/ Release, SF) HUEY (Nightlife, SF) M.A.C (Harmonics, SR) TRANCE/ NRG/ ANTHEMS (MELODIC JOURNEYS) NOSTRUM-LIVE PA direct from COLOGNE, GERMANY, EXCLUSIVE NOTHERN CALIFORNIA=20 appearance, (TIME UNLIMITED, NOOM RECORDS- DAMN Management) Thomas Trouble (SF, Blutonium Records) Dyloot (SKILLS, SF) Gianni (Spundae/ DJGIANNI.COM, SR) Tom Slik (SKILLS, SF) Uphonic (E.T.A., SF) St. John (HouseNation/ 94.9, SF), CD Release Tracer (Tektite, SF) CD Release of =E2=80=9CTRACER=E2=80=9D Morgan (Hard NRG/ Loteck Records, SF) DJ Hek (GHOSTRIBE Krew, SF) JUNGLE/ DRUM & BASS/ BREAKS/ 2 STEP (TOP DECK TECHNICIANS) The Vixen (SO-MUCH-GLOW, L.A./ Portland) Hak (Black Pearl, SJ) Billy Lane (916 Junglists/ Black Locusts, Sac.) FRANK NITTY (GHOSTIRBE Krew, SF) MC Ragga Bonton (Black Locust/ Bombastik, Sac.) Siphon (Urban Assault, SJ)- Nu Skool Breaks Set RIF (In Tha Mix, Sac.) Bicolas (SKILLS, SF) Buchweechio (SKILLS, SF) AND MOTE TBA=E2=80=A6. SOUND: JK SOUND LIGHTING: STIM-U-LIGHTS VISUALS and PROJECTIONS: VIBERATION VS. EYELUSIONS VS. =20= =20 STIM-U-LIGHTS VS. MARK JOHNS for the ultimate visual=20 LASERS: UV-99 VS. STIM-U-LIGHTS LOCATION; The Concourse, SF 24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION: (415)-789-7344 / (415)-273-5720 / (408)-882-5090=20 THE VIBE: YOU BROWSE: THE MODERN ART EXPO PRESENTED BY SO-MUCH-GLOW SHOWCASING MULTI-MEDIA= =20 and VISUAL ARTISTS FROM THE BAY AREA UNDERGROUND.=20 4 ARENAS of THUNDERING BASS AND CRISP SONIC STIMULATION featuring JK SOUND= =E2=80=99s=20 Eastern Acoustic Works Sound Systems Lots of FREE CD=E2=80=99s / tape and Gear Giveaways courtesy of Mystical Ma= yhem,=20 Tommy Boy Records, LIVE365.com, Harmonics, Noom Records, Black Pearl,=20 Ghostribe Krew, Skills, Tektite, HouseNation, NightLife, DJGIANNI.COM,=20 Soulmatic, Lotek Records, Electric Nerve, Harmony and more=E2=80=A6 STUNNING VISUALS, LAVIOUS INTELLIGENT LIGHTING, AND AN ORGANIC NUTRICIOUS=20 VIBE!!! 21+ COCKTAIL LOUNGE/ BEER GARDEN w/ live mixin=E2=80=99 DJ=E2=80=99s and pro= gressive=20 house/trance (I.D. please) FREE REFRESHING FRUIT BUFFET FULLY PERMITTED and 100% SECURE HUGE MULTIPLE linoleum dance floors for extra groovy breakin=E2=80=99 and fu= nky fresh=20 moves ALL ARTISTS ARE CONFIRMED!!! =20 Clean Restrooms inside and out This event will sell out presale!!!! =20 Open aired area for smoking =20 Plenty of Friendly Security Located within walking distance of BART, MUNI, other forms of public transit= . SERENITY has always been a small party with a big impact. Please don=E2=80= =99t be=20 confused by the flyer. This event will be limited capacity!! This is a:=20 If-you-wait-and-lag-to-get-a-ticket-you-will-hear-about-it-afterwards-type-o= f- show!!!!! =20 SERENITY will sell out presale so don't wait to grab a ticket from the=20 authorized outlets below: AVAILABLE MONDAY 6/18/01 or go online now Buy a presale for yourself and a friend to save time and $ and assure your=20 attendance Interdictory presale price of $30.00 When those are gone $35.00 ON LINE TICKETS: WWW.ACTEVA.COM/GO/SERENITY=20 WWW.GROOVETICKETS.COM=20 GET DOOR PRIVILEGES AND MUSIC GIVEAWAYS w/ ONLINE tixs San Francisco F-8 Records, 1816 Haight St., (415)-221-4142 Spundae Records, 678 Haight St., (415)-575-1580 Clear Music, 147 Valencia St., (415)-437-1587 Briandrops, 1873 Hayes St., (415)-206-1576 Housewares, 1322 Haight St., (415)-252-1400=20 South Bay Ultra Soundz, 482 San Mateo, San Bruno, (650)-871-4170 Remix, 508 E. 3rd Ave., San Mateo, (650)-344-8060 Vibes, 1222 El Camino, Redwood City, (650)-299-0230 Solid Grooves, 2271 The Alameda, San Jose, (408)-248-6399 Popeye's, 291 South Capitol Ave., San Jose, (408)-729-3600 Pipeline, 818 Pacific Ave., Santa Cruz, (831)-425-7473 Rock Zone, 1280 1st St. # B, Gilroy, (408)-848-5055 Krate, 1274 N. Main St., Salinas, (831)-443-6580 East Bay/ Contra Costa/ Outer Bay Skills DJ Workshop, 2575Telegraph St., Berkley, (510)-704-9876 Generation Rock, 1820 Mt. Diablo St., Concord, (925)-682-9042 BASS Records, 36488 Fremont Blvd., Fremont, (510)-739-1862 Twilight Zone, 24463 Mission Blvd., Hayward, (510)-538-7945 Charlottes Web, 2160 Railroad Ave., Livermore, (925)-449-6165 Black Widow, 8909 Thornton Rd., Stockton, (209)-475-9005 Legacy Imports, 526 W. Ben Holt, Stockton, (209)-474-9009 In Tha Mix, 2329 I St., Sacramento, (916)-442-0499 Subsonic Underground, 106 J St., Sacramento, (916)-441-2775 Northern Bay Rock-On, 1630 North Texas St., Fairfield, (707)-422-2080 Harmonics, 404 Suite D Mendocino Ave., Santa Rosa, (707)-571-8747=20 Music Coop, 9 Petaluma Blvd., Petaluma, (707)-762-4257 Doc of Rock, 1811 Old Sonoma Rd., Napa, (707)-226-7652 Home Blown Glass-7108 Bodega Avenue, Sebastopol, (707)-824-8242 Come one and all glorious and independent people to celebrate and rejoice @= =20 The Independence Day Weekend Extravaganza SERENITY 2 Year Anniversary!!! If you missed Mystical Mayhem=E2=80=99s SERENITY May 19th at the METREON -A= Sony=20 Entertainment Center, then grab a presale for our 2 Year Anniversary July 7,= =20 2001 SERENITY, and if you were there=E2=80=A6than get ready to feel SERENITY= again!!! We have been planning a wonderful celebration to recapture the essence of=20 music and rejoice in the memories of all the artist and people who have made= =20 SERENITY special. A partial list of previous performers include: Bad Boy=20 Bill, Dieselboy, Deepsky, DRC, Terry Mullen, Usual Suspects, R.A.W., not to=20 mention the FINEST LOCAL TALENT REPRESENTING NORTHERN CALIFORNIA W/ TRANCE,=20 NRG, HOUSE, JUNGLE, DRUM N BASS, AND BANGING BREAKBEATS. We are committed to bringing in International DJ=E2=80=99s and Performers f= rom=20 Around the World while firmly supporting the best Bay Area DJ=E2=80=99s and=20= our=20 fragile Northern California scene. SERENITY has always been something special and a personal expression of the= =20 abundance that can be created for a single night of dance and celebration.=20 SERENITY is about transforming a space into a festive and entertaining=20 environment. SERENITY was conceived as a way to excite old school jaded=20 _avers and entice new participants into sharing a night that becomes more=20 than the sum of its parts.=20 SERENITY isn=E2=80=99t a HOUSE party or a showcase for Trance. SERENITY isn= =E2=80=99t just=20 the Jungle and Drum n Bass Arena. SERENITY isn=E2=80=99t just ELECTRONIC MUS= IC or=20 DJ=E2=80=99s. SERENITY is when in the midst if pure pleasure you gaze from=20= the=20 performer to the crowd and your eyes catch that of a smiling stranger and yo= u=20 both know without speaking=E2=80=A6that this is it! The time is now! 7-7-01 SERENITY is about to blow the roof off our last=20 show. And yes, it=E2=80=99s in San Francisco! If we only talked about the music and artists being the experience of these= =20 shows than we have failed to convey the most important ingredient in the=20 moment: all of you. It is the unity of the group and the vibe that each of=20 you bring that propels the night into bliss. What really make these shows so= =20 unique are the intangible energies that our togetherness creates.=20 Welcome to all fun loving and responsible 18+ W/ I.D. COMING SOON: WWW.MYSTICALMAYHEM.TV=20 LIVE WEB CAST FROM: WWW.LIVE365.COM=20 To those who have supported these events and our efforts with their smiles=20 and joy here is to all of you, as we get down in S.F. in a truly mystical=20 style.=20 Witness San Francisco in her glory the weekend of Freedom, Self-Expression,=20 and Fun. Tour the CITY, enjoy the beach and than rock out to the finest danc= e=20 music from around the globe. NO pens, bottles, other containers, food or candy please. A zero tolerance policy will be enforced towards drugs, sexual harassment,=20 and shady behavior. All guest lists must be pre-approved via e24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION: Email @ MysticalMayhem1@aol.com Lineup subject to change so call info lines for added attractions and more=20 performers This is a benefit for seratonin: Party sober, remember the music and still=20 get crazy! If you like to help promote, contribute art or get involved call our 24-HOUR= =20 EVENT COMMUNICATION (415)-789-7344 / (415)-273-5720 / (408)-882-5090 and=20 leave a message and you can join the mystical mayhem mailing list to save=20 trees.=20 Serenity prep arties: >> call (415)-273-5720 for updates=20 Friday July 6 Team Tigger, Plastic Fantastic- (707)-323-1494=20 (show serenity presale and get free water) <> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68181-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 03:27:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45924 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 03:27:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45913 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 03:27:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 03:26:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 03:26:32.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EA0A860:01C10694] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BU presales now available Limited Presales are now available at Skills in Berkeley. Don't wait til the last minute. Get your tickets soon to reserve your seat at lift off. T-minus 7 days and counting...... ~~ * BEAUTIFUL UNIVERSE * ~~ Lift Off: Friday July 13, 2001AD 2100hrs(9pm) a merge production The Beautiful Line up and comments: http://www.liquidcafe.com/bu2.html {{{ MISSION CONTROL }}} Trance/Techno Dyloot (Skills, SF) Telene (Ear Candy, SF) Trace Evans (Neosundays,Sac) Dust (Wilderbeats/Stylus) Dj Daniel (Y.O.U. productions) Funksion (In Tha Mix) ((||)) CENTRIFUGE ((||)) Bangin' House/Deep House/Progressive House/Garage Ron Reeser aka Dj Rktech (Metropolis/Clockworkeventz, SF) Rick V (In Tha Mix Recordings, Clockworkeventz, Sac) Markus (Kickdrum Recordings, Sac) Jonathan Greathouse (Bump Tribe, Davis) Dennis (Selekta.com/Sagitariun, Sac) Paul Gordon (Liquidcafe.com, Sac) Dan Yoas (A Frame/Houseworks, Sac) :: LAUNCH PAD 1 :::>>> Drum n Bass Presha (Compound Records, SF) Seraphim (Sister, SF) Slim (UMS/Black-Locust.com) Tofu (UMS/Black-Locust.com) Adria (Liquidcafe.com, SF) Starfire (liquidcafe.com,Sac) :: LAUNCH PAD 2 :::>>> Hardcore and NRG Cloudskipper (Liquidvinyl, SF) Valerie Sparks (Liquidvinyl) Tronic (Liquidvinyl) DJ Pat (teknique, Fresno) Shorty (Euphoric Vibe/stealth Ent) Glow (Sweet Factory/Schedule 1, Sac) ::: VIRTUAL GARDEN OF TRANQUILITY ::: Ambient flutes/Reggae Roots Dub/Chillin' Hip Hop and Down Tempo Tony Kalhagen(ambient love lounge/mindscape rec/kalhagen.com) Live PA Da' Spokesperson w/ junglist Dj Slim (Craftmasters) - Live spoken word Fooders (Zulu Nation, Sac) Mad Planet (Zulu Nation, Sac) Kelau and KiYoshi 1 (Scientists of Sound/Chemistry 90.9FM, SF) Note: All artists confirmed. However Lineup is always subject to change. Infolines: 916.466.9113 415.303.7404 Online: http://www.liquidcafe.com/events.html **** GET YOUR PRESALE TICKETS AND SAVE TIME AND MONEY **** Presales Tix - $20 Available now at In Tha Mix Records, 2329 I street, Sacramento 916.442.0499 Skills, 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley(after 7.7.01 sorry for the delay) 510.704.9876 $25 @ the Door Liquidcafe is dedicated to uniting the scene, bringing together artists from Trance, House, Happy Hardcore, NRG, DnB, Trip Hop and down tempo. If you share the vision, and you would like to contribute love and positive energy to the cause, send private email to this email addy. Would you like to promote for this event? Liquidcafe would like to hear from you. Send email to this email addy. ******* LIQUIDCAFE.COM FULLY SUPPORTS A SOBER PARTY EXPERIENCE ******* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68182-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 03:53:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54004 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 03:53:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53993 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 03:53:34 -0000 From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Message-ID: <6.1911fc00.2877e1b0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:53:20 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Sick "art" called Bonsai Cats. What can we do? Art is usually controversial, that what makes art what it is. But, when "art" causes the suffering of any living being, then it is not art, but cruelty without pretentiousness and the one of the worst manifestation of the ego. Thanks Gianni for bring this up. Anyone who has a pet would be repulsed by this perversion of the manifestation of the human spirit called art. I don't know if this practice is legal in places like Japan or Indonesia, but I assume this defiantly falls in the category of cruelty to animals here in the US and California. I mean, if the local Humane Society came to my house and saw animals starved, tortured, diseased and abused, I'd go to jail. Surely putting kittens in bottles and causing them to develop according to the dimensions of the bottle shape is cruelty and should be prosecuted. There is a difference in nude art like Mapelthorpe's, which is adults consenting to having themselves photographed in erotic positions, and animals, which cannot consent, shoved in bottles. All they know is they are suffering. What can we do about this? First of all, mail the web master of this disgusting sight and let them know that we are on to them and that we are going to bring them to the attention of the media and animal rights organizations like the Humane Society and the SPCA. Second, forward this sight to media groups like radio and TV stations both national and local as well as news papers. If enough people will do this, someone will pick this up and do an expose, and save a lot of kittens from this maltreatment, and get some people prosecuted. Why am I disturbed? One main reason is that if people have this attitude toward an animal's life, usually they don't think too much of a human's either. Murder and cruelty began when someone's life, whether human of animal is made less than the murderer and crueltist and reduced to 3rd and 4th class status. Send a prayer and blessing to all suffering beings who ever they may be. Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68183-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 04:01:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57858 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 04:01:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57847 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 04:01:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707040133.81214.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: SILVIU To: Brook Yu , Geri Dahl , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Geri Dahl, what are you saying ?? was/ RE: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr I'm dying to know too... People who are intrigued by what Geri Dahl is talking about : 1) Brook Yu 2) SILVIU keep it goin, folks ;)...... --- Brook Yu thoughtfully asked: > geri... > > your posts continue to intrigue me. > > what the hell are you talking about? (not just this > post...but ALL of your > posts!) > > - brook > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geri Dahl [mailto:eeelips@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:19 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave > scene! nrr > > > i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. > i > mean, need i say more? could i please share my > finest > works for millions and millions of dollars to > perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air > of financial security for all of those who despise > yet > seek to provide creature comforts and something > beyond > pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than > poison > myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more > economical and it tastes better. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68184-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 04:30:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65517 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 04:30:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65507 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 04:30:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707042956.29426.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: Geri Dahl , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010706221843.83375.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr --- Geri Dahl wrote: > i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. > i > mean, need i say more? could i please share my > finest > works for millions and millions of dollars to > perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air > of financial security for all of those who despise > yet > seek to provide creature comforts and something > beyond > pop tart dining? Would this be considered a run on sentence? Or just flibber-flabber? cj ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68185-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 04:31:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66868 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 04:31:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66857 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 04:31:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: BodhiInSF@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <6.1911fc00.2877e1b0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Sick "art" called Bonsai Cats. What can we do? *yawn* that site's been around for days, and if you guys can't tell a joke when you see it... well, shame on you. here's a non-bottled cat for you to enjoy: http://www.mycathatesyou.com/images/elvis.jpg -mike. * no animals were harmed in the compsition of this message. On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 BodhiInSF@aol.com wrote: >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:53:20 EDT >From: BodhiInSF@aol.com >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Sick "art" called Bonsai Cats. What can we do? > > Art is usually controversial, that what makes art what it is. But, when >"art" causes the suffering of any living being, then it is not art, but >cruelty without pretentiousness and the one of the worst manifestation of the >ego. > Thanks Gianni for bring this up. Anyone who has a pet would be repulsed by >this perversion of the manifestation of the human spirit called art. > I don't know if this practice is legal in places like Japan or Indonesia, >but I assume this defiantly falls in the category of cruelty to animals here >in the US and California. I mean, if the local Humane Society came to my >house and saw animals starved, tortured, diseased and abused, I'd go to jail. >Surely putting kittens in bottles and causing them to develop according to >the dimensions of the bottle shape is cruelty and should be prosecuted. There >is a difference in nude art like Mapelthorpe's, which is adults consenting to >having themselves photographed in erotic positions, and animals, which cannot >consent, shoved in bottles. All they know is they are suffering. > What can we do about this? First of all, mail the web master of this >disgusting sight and let them know that we are on to them and that we are >going to bring them to the attention of the media and animal rights >organizations like the Humane Society and the SPCA. > Second, forward this sight to media groups like radio and TV stations both >national and local as well as news papers. If enough people will do this, >someone will pick this up and do an expose, and save a lot of kittens from >this maltreatment, and get some people prosecuted. > Why am I disturbed? One main reason is that if people have this attitude >toward an animal's life, usually they don't think too much of a human's >either. Murder and cruelty began when someone's life, whether human of animal >is made less than the murderer and crueltist and reduced to 3rd and 4th class >status. > Send a prayer and blessing to all suffering beings who ever they may be. >Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68186-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 04:57:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75499 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 04:57:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75488 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 04:57:53 -0000 Message-ID: <004301c106a1$96b41490$63f05140@jinx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: , References: <6.1911fc00.2877e1b0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:59:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Sick "art" called Bonsai Cats. What can we do? Oh my fu**ing god..If you couldn't tell this was a joke you got some serious issues.. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 8:53 PM Subject: [sfraves] Sick "art" called Bonsai Cats. What can we do? > Art is usually controversial, that what makes art what it is. But, when > "art" causes the suffering of any living being, then it is not art, but > cruelty without pretentiousness and the one of the worst manifestation of the > ego. > Thanks Gianni for bring this up. Anyone who has a pet would be repulsed by > this perversion of the manifestation of the human spirit called art. > I don't know if this practice is legal in places like Japan or Indonesia, > but I assume this defiantly falls in the category of cruelty to animals here > in the US and California. I mean, if the local Humane Society came to my > house and saw animals starved, tortured, diseased and abused, I'd go to jail. > Surely putting kittens in bottles and causing them to develop according to > the dimensions of the bottle shape is cruelty and should be prosecuted. There > is a difference in nude art like Mapelthorpe's, which is adults consenting to > having themselves photographed in erotic positions, and animals, which cannot > consent, shoved in bottles. All they know is they are suffering. > What can we do about this? First of all, mail the web master of this > disgusting sight and let them know that we are on to them and that we are > going to bring them to the attention of the media and animal rights > organizations like the Humane Society and the SPCA. > Second, forward this sight to media groups like radio and TV stations both > national and local as well as news papers. If enough people will do this, > someone will pick this up and do an expose, and save a lot of kittens from > this maltreatment, and get some people prosecuted. > Why am I disturbed? One main reason is that if people have this attitude > toward an animal's life, usually they don't think too much of a human's > either. Murder and cruelty began when someone's life, whether human of animal > is made less than the murderer and crueltist and reduced to 3rd and 4th class > status. > Send a prayer and blessing to all suffering beings who ever they may be. > Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68187-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 05:03:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77779 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 05:03:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77769 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 05:03:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707050312.25899.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Karma-Catt To: veronica la rosa , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: Ascension Cool... I was waiting for an Ascension review! Thanks! By the way, the bartenders name is Matt... sorry though, he's married ;o) hehe I'll be at Ascension next week! Sorry, I know I told almost everyone I was gonna be there last night, but it just didn't work out :o( Any hoot, have a great weekend everyone!!! Love, Catt *meow* PS... if anyone is playing Diablo II expansion e-mail me and we'll play together!.. or it's cool if you don't have the expansion too, I don't mind creating new chars. :o) Lotsa Lovin... purrrr --- veronica la rosa wrote: > So it was another interesting night at Ascension > last night. Iwas absolutely > exhausted for most of the night even after drinking > a Rock Star! It wasn't > until much later that I had any energy. Most of the > time, I was just leaning > against a wall and people-watching. I enjoy that. > Just because I'm not > dancing and smiling doesn't make me happy. I get my > jollies just observing > other people for awhile. > > I enjoyed Madame Mercury and Spinner's (wait, was > that his name?) set. I was > quite digging the fluffy trancy-pantsy man from > Sweden though. And of course > it was good to see all the usuals there: Ryan, > Becca, Aaron, Dave, Brandon, > Audra, the cute bartender guy, Osby, Lydia (who was > in my nightmare!), > Nicola...am I forgetting people? I'm sure I am, > sorry. > > I think the highlight of the night was standing > outside of Blakes and > telling the most disgusting, offensive jokes we > could think of. I, for one, > will NEVER think of a clown the same way again after > Kenny's "joke." After I > got home, I had just erased the image from my mind > when I look down at my > stamped wrist....the door guy had stamped me with a > (yeah, can you guess > whats coming?) a CLOWN with a big smile on his > face!!! Ewww... > > ahhhhh. long night. I'll probably be there next week > too... > > > -Veronica- > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68188-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 05:11:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80612 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 05:11:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80600 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 05:11:36 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 22:11:25 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010707051126.WBQD12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr classic flibber-flabber. excellent example of a little-known grammatical term. l. >--- Geri Dahl wrote: >> i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. >> i >> mean, need i say more? could i please share my >> finest >> works for millions and millions of dollars to >> perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air >> of financial security for all of those who despise >> yet >> seek to provide creature comforts and something >> beyond >> pop tart dining? > > >Would this be considered a run on sentence? Or just >flibber-flabber? > >cj > >===== >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > >http://www.resourcerecords.com \ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68189-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 05:26:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86187 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 05:26:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86162 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 05:26:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: fresnoraves@hyperreal.org, modestoraves@yahoogroups.com, sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 05:25:54 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 05:25:54.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B705CB0:01C106A5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: A Beautiful Pre-Party Okay boyz and girlz on Monday July 9, 2001, Liquidcafe.com invades Davis for wacky on air antics and turntable madness when four commanders booked for Beautiful Universe, touchdown in the studios of 90.3 KDVS FM to get this rump roller started early. The official BEAUTIFUL UNIVERSE preparty starts at 8pm on the UNITED STATE show, as hosts Kelley Groove and Dj Erupt?! feature two of northern California's finest - Producer and Junglist extraordinaire Tofu de la moore(Underground Movement Sound/Black Locust), and the emotionally moving and very talented Trance meister - Trace Evans(NeoSundays). But just when you're thinking it's all over, kdvs radio jock Dr Xeno takes over technical duties, and segue into the TEK-INDUCED EUPHORIA show at 10pm. In the course of two additional hours, featured guests - Dj Paul Gordon,(liquidcafe.com)and Tony Kalhagen(Ambient Love Lounge/Kalhagen.com) will take command and move the mother ship from groove control to meditative consciousness. Altogether, that's a four hour musical mindf**k that's bound to take you on an emotional ride. And liquidcafe is all about the ride. So, pour yourself a cold one, kiss your honey, hi-five your homies, dial up a rountrip ticket to 90.3 FM at 8pm, and fasten your seatbelts baby. This monday, don't miss it! - Liquidcafe.com Listen online: go to www.kdvs.org and click on "listen now". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68190-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 05:46:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93415 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 05:46:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93405 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 05:46:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.36] From: "DJ D" To: djd-announce@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 22:46:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 05:46:12.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[211B1560:01C106A8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Invasion Line up (bsp) Heya, Saturday, July 7th, 2001, I'll be spinning first at Freakfest (happening @ the Santa Clara Cty Fairgds), and then at Invasion. Sorry but I don't know my time slot at Freakfest, but I'll be on from 3-4 at Invasion. Invasion: Check out this supa fly line up: >Room 1 >10:00pm-11:00pm - Techni >11:00pm-12:00am - Spyhunter >12:00am-01:00am - Malicious Mike >01:00am-02:00am - Thee-O vs Liquid >02:00am-03:00am - Koris >03:00am-04:00am - Madame Mercury >04:00am-05:00am - Joey Mazzola > >Room 2 >10:00pm-11:00pm - Kid Carson >11:00pm-12:00am - Adam >12:00am-01:00am - DJC vs Makka >01:00am-02:00am - Spinner >02:00am-03:00am - Reckless Ryan >03:00am-04:00am - Denise aka DJ D >04:00am-05:00am - Stranger Have a great weekend all... Denise aka DJ D http://www.dj-d.com :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68191-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 06:00:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98605 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 06:00:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98593 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 06:00:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Haskovec To: cc: In-Reply-To: <6.1911fc00.2877e1b0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Sick "art" called Bonsai Cats. What can we do? I agree. There are much better ways to transport cats than in bottles: http://pry.com/~dan/pics/cat_carrier.jpg dan On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 BodhiInSF@aol.com wrote: > Art is usually controversial, that what makes art what it is. But, when > "art" causes the suffering of any living being, then it is not art, but > cruelty without pretentiousness and the one of the worst manifestation of the > ego. > Thanks Gianni for bring this up. Anyone who has a pet would be repulsed by > this perversion of the manifestation of the human spirit called art. > I don't know if this practice is legal in places like Japan or Indonesia, > but I assume this defiantly falls in the category of cruelty to animals here > in the US and California. I mean, if the local Humane Society came to my > house and saw animals starved, tortured, diseased and abused, I'd go to jail. > Surely putting kittens in bottles and causing them to develop according to > the dimensions of the bottle shape is cruelty and should be prosecuted. There > is a difference in nude art like Mapelthorpe's, which is adults consenting to > having themselves photographed in erotic positions, and animals, which cannot > consent, shoved in bottles. All they know is they are suffering. > What can we do about this? First of all, mail the web master of this > disgusting sight and let them know that we are on to them and that we are > going to bring them to the attention of the media and animal rights > organizations like the Humane Society and the SPCA. > Second, forward this sight to media groups like radio and TV stations both > national and local as well as news papers. If enough people will do this, > someone will pick this up and do an expose, and save a lot of kittens from > this maltreatment, and get some people prosecuted. > Why am I disturbed? One main reason is that if people have this attitude > toward an animal's life, usually they don't think too much of a human's > either. Murder and cruelty began when someone's life, whether human of animal > is made less than the murderer and crueltist and reduced to 3rd and 4th class > status. > Send a prayer and blessing to all suffering beings who ever they may be. > Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68192-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 06:31:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8171 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 06:31:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8159 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 06:31:16 -0000 Message-ID: <00a501c106af$0fe083a0$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" , "Deepfog" References: <20010706203702.12512.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:35:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage Hi Everyone, Just a point to add here. Being a DanceSafe lackey myself ;-), I just want to point out that we *do* have a public forum for people to ask questions about whatever they need to. It currently has just under 300 people registered and checking it everyday. We have everyone from sober people looking to lend a hand, to occasional users and addicts willing to offer any advice they can to those looking for information. Hell, we even have Sue Stevens and Ann Shulgin checking out the board ;-) heh ;-) If *anyone* has any questions, feel free to stop by and post. Or just stop by and check it out. Its a nice resource and a one of a kind environment where researchers, activists, harm reduction workers, and the regular joe (or jane) can ask questions and recieve answers on their most common (and uncommon) questions. Anyways, enough of my babbling... If your going to check it out the url is http://www.dancesafe.org/eboard.cgi Take Care, Be Safe, HAVE FUN! Bry Ps: Good resources also.. http://www.erowid.org http://www.maps.org (user oriented) And also, at least check out the EMDEF http://www.emdef.org .. No matter what your view on the case is, this does affect us all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deepfog" To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage : i think you've got the right idea, dr. blindspot, but i'm not really : certain the actual welcome to sfraves email says anything about : forbidding people to post their personal drug experiences...rather it : reminds one that when they do post their personal drug experiences, : it's now on permanent public record on a website that we can all be : sure is monitored by the government. : : a few years back someone *really* crossed the line, and all the old : timers probably know what i'm talking about, but i'm not going to get : into that. let me give you a hint...incriminating yourself is one : thing. incriminating someone else by saying you bought, sold, etc, : mentioning someone else's name other than someone who is dead, isn't : really looked upon with the greatest fondness by most intelligent : people. : : but then again, back to the self part. i've kind of given up on : being concerned about people posting their personal drug experiences. : i do, however, wonder how people who aren't experienced with drug use : and want to learn more. apparently the technical information : provided in dancesafe's website wasn't enough for one person. what : do we say to those people? : : if it were me looking for information on subjects that are illegal, : i'd probably try to find the answer offline, by meeting people and : asking them, even if it's just offline conversations via email. in : reality, the average person probably doesn't have too much to worry : about the feds showing up at their doorstep. : : i gotta tell you though...nothing beats personal contact and keeping : things on the lowdown. : : fog out : : >There's a fine line here when talking about drugs. I'd say you just : >crossed it. : > : >But to each their own. You must have some extra cash lying around. :P : > : > : >I had to harsh such a blatant (naive? honest?) post. : > : >I'd say if you think something (anything really) you do is special : >and you want to keep it that way, then don't do it too much. Does : >that make sense? : > : > : > : >>I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The thing is I : >>like to take it almost every weekend now, and sometimes I would : >>like to take it more than that. I have gone to the site : >>"dancesafe.org" to try to find a safe dosage and the amount of time : >>that one should wait between doing it, but have been unsuccessful. : >>I would love if someone out there could give me an idea of how long : >>one should wait and how much is too much. : >> : >>Thanks Soooo Much, : >> : >> : >>Love to dance, n dance to love... : >> : >>Tet : >> : >>___________________________________________________________________ : >>Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. : >> : >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- : >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org : >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org : > : >-- : >-blindspot : > : > : > : > : >------------------------------------------------------------------ : >Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! : > : >--------------------------------------------------------------------- : >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org : >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org : : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org : For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68193-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 07:01:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14836 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 07:01:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14825 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 07:01:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707070105.3492.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:01:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Well... happy birthday anyway Tigger So, I just got home from what would have been Plastic Fantastic... turned out to be not so fantastic afterall. Suffice it to say, the party was busted. The cops had apparantly got there about five minutes before I did, and they were shutting the music down just as I walked in the door. So I wandered for a bit, said hey to a few peeps I knew, and filed out of there with the rest. Good to see so many people there with cameras and camcorders keeping the pigs from just breaking out the batons and busting heads. They must HATE the post-Rodney-King era abundance of small camcorders. I gotta wonder tho what pretext they pulled out of their asses? I thought that space a permitted venue... wasn't that why the party was scheduled to end at 2 am? Hell, isn't that venue so permitted that its been used as a backup when ug space owners have flaked in the past? I heard various stories, depending on who I asked, from someone having been caught with a fifth of vodka, to the cops just being their usual priggish selves and screwing up the permit somehow at the last minute just to fuck up the party. Gawd... all the money in the bay area, there's gotta eventually be a rich raver who'll be ready to sue the living piss out of the pigs when they pull this crap... I sure as hell know that if *I* am ever Larry Ellison rich.... or hell, even Steve Jobs rich, *I* would put together some kind of legal "defence" fund to sue the SOBs into destitution. Defence sucks. The best defence is a good offence. Anyway, Tigger you don't really know me, we just met briefly once and said hey, but I'm still so sorry your party got busted. Can't win em all, eh? I hope you can still pull off a happy birthday anyway. Best of luck. cya john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68194-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 07:35:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21953 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 07:35:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21938 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 07:35:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: dudley doolittle cc: tetsuya@space.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, blindspot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage This is EXACTLY the most important reason why this is NOT the place for drug discussion. Please try finding information on a list whose topic is specifically for DRUG usage - contact your physician, if you must, find a true bonafide doctor.... I know some people on this list may be well educated but this is NOT the place for people to be prescribing "proper dosages" of ANY illegal drug. Not against illegal drug usage, against its blatant misuse in this scene that has caused a downspiral. IMHO, 2 times a week is a great way to keep yourself depressed. I keep away from it alltogether. I could preach on this topic, but I have SO MUCH recently... So please, once more. DO NOT ASK FOR ADVICE OR POST ABOUT YOUR BLATANT DRUG USAGE ON THIS LIST! And read the welcome letter please! Thank you, Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, dudley doolittle wrote: > I always cringe at these sort of emails because I worry at the naivety that prompts such a question and potentially blindly trusts the myriad of answers by peers. Not that you are that sort of person, Tet, but I don't know you so I worry you might be. > > Because although some of the answers you get here may be very well educated and of sound knowledge, there are equally as many myths out there and much that is still unknown even by the experts. It can be rather difficult for even "expereinced" folks to try to seperate the wheat from the chaff. > > But even worse to me is that there are folks on this list who feel comfortable and "wise" enough to dispense advice about these kinds of questions. Because that is truly dangerous. > > And then I see that the first response is eloquently and sublimely the best advice anyone (expert, professional or otherwise) could give you. Thank you, BlindSpot. And Tet, do listen to him/her. > > dud doo > > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:06:07 > blindspot wrote: > >I'd say if you think something (anything really) you do is special > >and you want to keep it that way, then don't do it too much. Does > >that make sense? > > > > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68195-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 07:37:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23649 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 07:37:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23639 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 07:37:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 00:34:46 -0700 From: IntenSmile To: SF Raves Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: <000001c106b7$4be27a40$6db5fea9@prismdm> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Eminem D-12 Final Answer Here is the info from their site, the D stands for dirty: :: D12 Background Information :: The Dirty Dozen, also known as The D-12, is a group that originated in Detroit Michigan. The idea for this crew began in the back of a car. Apparently it was Proof who came up with the idea for the Dirty Dozen. The crew was in a car, driving back from New York one night, and Proof mentioned that he wanted to start this concept called the Dirty Dozen. He said that each member of the group would posses his own alter-ego. Bizarre, another member of the group, remembers having all the guys over at his house, when Eminem came over and said, "Yo, I want to start this Dirty Dozen thing; I want to bring it on my new album and I'm gonna show you how raw I am." He then presented his "Slim Shady" tattoo to the group, who had no idea what it meant. Eminem explained, "Slim Shady, that's my second character." After this each member created their own alter-ego and began droppin' songs and creating beats in Eminem's basement on the eight track. Some people also argue that Eminem was the last to create an alter-ego (on the toliet), but does it matter? :: Member Story :: Proof will always be the 'founder' of D-12. He organized the whole thing from the get go. He had a lot of people such as Denaun, Eminem, Bizarre, Eiy Kyu, Fuzz, at once and they were affiliated with Killa Hawk, B-Flat, and Dirty Rat all at once. A little after that Fuzz, B-Flat and Dirty Rat left and Eminem decided to persue a solo career. Killa Hawk was also once a member, but he was not in D12 for very long either. D-12 was over with, but it was only temporary. Right about when Eminem got a deal, Proof decided to start D-12 up again. He asked Denaun & Von (Kon Artis & Kuniva) to join since they already were in a group called Da Brigade. They then got Bizarre and Bugz, but Eiy Kyu decided not to join. Then they told Eminem about it so he joined D-12 too. Soon after Bugz got killed and Swift was scouted to join D-12 and Swift did. Swift used to be in the Rabeez with Bareda but he is with D-12 now. The original 4 members of D12 were Eiy Kyu, Proof, Eminem and Bizarre. Kon Artis was doing some production at the time, but he was not a member yet. :: Members / Record Label :: The group consists of six members. There is Eminem, Proof, Kon Artis, Bizarre, Swift and Kuniva. Each of these members have created their own alter-egos. Eminem's alias is Slim Shady. Proof's alias is Dirty Harry, Kon Artis is Denine Porter, and Bizarre went with Peter S. Bizarre. Swift picked out Swifty McVeigh and Kuniva decided to go with Von as his nickname. The reason the group is called D-12 and there are only six members, is because they counted each of their alter-ego's as another rapper in the group, totaling twelve members. One original member of D-12, Eiy Kyu, is currently not with The Dirty Dozen anymore but you can find him on Infinite and Underground EP. The D-12 is currently under contract with Interscope Records and Shady Records (the record label started by Eminem). Their new album, Devils Night, will be released sometime during the Summer of 2000 or maybe a month or two later. To listen to some of the songs that may be on the upcoming album go to the Media Section of the site. The D-12 started recording sometime around January. -----Original Message----- From: Istyly Productions Mailing list acct: [mailto:istyly@lycos.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:58 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Eminem D-12 Final Answer hello everyone and thanks for playing it was fun the final answer is: D-12 The D stands for Detroit because thats were they are all from. Dirty Dozen is just a nick name it has nothing to do with the "D" the 12 stands for 12 personality's. There are six members with 2 personality's so thats twleve people total. Listen to the way they rap, each goes back and forth from one person to the next. --- Thanks! Please party and play safe. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68196-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 07:42:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28123 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 07:42:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28111 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 07:42:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: craig newman cc: tetsuya@space.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage OH dear.. PLEASE PLEASE people... DO NOT THINK 8-10 pills at a time is not safe just because this guy is fine after his personal usage. This is VERY DANGEROUS and not something that should be done! I understand your attent Happee_1, but this post could be seriously misinterpereted.. i.e. "hey that dude did it every weekend for a year and did like 8-10 hits at a time at one point, I should be fine too!" Everyone's body reacts differently to drugs. BE CAREFUL. Love, Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, craig newman wrote: > Is there really a safe dosage? Did you know that everydose could be your > last? I do not condon E use, I mean I did it ATLEAST every weekend for over > a year, and I am fine. It really all depends on you body. Just remember > the more you use, the more you have to take, and the more money you spend. > When I stopped using every weekend, I was up to Having to take 8-10pills. > Do you really need this though? I think that ocasional use is alright, but > when It gets into eveyweekend, that is getting to be excessive, and > damaging. > You are going to do what you want to do, so just be safe. Or as safe as you > can be on a black market drug! > Happee_1 > > Ps. Ask yourself: "Do I really need to take E to have a good time at a > party?" I know I dont!!! and I am healthier and happier because of it! > > > >From: tetsuya@space.com > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage > >Date: 6 Jul 2001 13:37:02 -0700 > > > >I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The thing is I like to > >take it almost every weekend now, and sometimes I would like to take it > >more than that. I have gone to the site "dancesafe.org" to try to find a > >safe dosage and the amount of time that one should wait between doing it, > >but have been unsuccessful. I would love if someone out there could give > >me an idea of how long one should wait and how much is too much. > > > >Thanks Soooo Much, > > > > > >Love to dance, n dance to love... > > > >Tet > > > >___________________________________________________________________ > >Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68197-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 07:49:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31200 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 07:49:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31190 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 07:49:41 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: Mike Migurski , BodhiInSF@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.5] Message-Id: <20010707074936.51607273F@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Sick "art" called Bonsai Cats. 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To: ClockworkEventz@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, nwraves@hyperreal.org, mtn-raves@hyperreal.org, nyc-raves@hyperreal.org, mo-raves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org, boston-raves@hyperreal.org, marz@egroups.com, moondance22@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 08:02:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 08:02:15.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[22BAE810:01C106BB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] WHOA.....Mekka Electronic Musik Festival!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Coming in September........ Clockwork Eventz are very excited and proud to bring this tour to the beautiful city of SF! This is not be missed...with world class acts & DJs such as... BT, Deep Dish, Grooverider & Mc GQ, LTJ Bukem & Mc Conrad, Bad Boy Bill, Mark Farina, Dela Soul, Talib Kweli & many more! www.mekkatour.com More info coming very soon...STAY TUNED!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68199-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 09:05:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48126 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 09:05:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48115 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 09:05:47 -0000 From: "Sameer Parekh" To: "Ari Gordon-Schlosberg" , Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:04:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010706094001.D12215@nebcorp.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? I agree with your distinction that hip-hop is realistic and electronic dance music is not, but I would say it's far from all being idealistic/utopian. You should have realized that at the last urban wasteland at least! the techno, jungle, and electro I like is the dark, evil stuff. Not exactly happy & utopian sounds... And then of course there's hardcore, which fully brings out the pure evil side of electronic dance music. /s -----Original Message----- From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg [mailto:regs@nebcorp.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:40 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? I think your observations are good, interesting, and in no way contradicatory to previous post. But let me see if I can clarify that catergorization. We have: Hip-Hop == Realistic EDM == Idealistic In order to fully understand that comparison, you have to figure out your perspective. It sure rings true for me, so let me share my perspective. Hip-Hop, in my experience (I'm a huge Native Tongue fan (De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Jungle Brothers) as well as some other interesting stuff like The Roots, Poor Righteous Teachers, X-Clan, Public Enemy, even some NWA, waaaaaaay back in the day), has also been about the world as it is, telling a story of life, be it in the projects, or somewhere on Long Island, or the streets of LA. Doesn't really matter. It's art that's focused on the world that we live in. EDM has never been about this world. It's always (in my mind) been about a magical place that you can go to escape this world. Just the sounds say that to me; in good EDM, you hear things that you cannot identify, sounds that do not to seem to be of this world. It takes you someplace, someplace you've never seen but you know that you want to go. And that, my friends, sounds a lot like the classical vision of utopia, a place far better than this. Idealism at its best. :) [dank smoker ] > i like your take on things...i agree with much of what > you said except for one point. i still think hip hop > is idealistic. how could an art form be anything but > idealistic? it is part of the human condition to > always desire what is unattainable. to call something > "realistic" is to simply buy into the trap of > labeling. what is realistic to a hip hopper may be > totally off the wall to somebody who does not even > listen to music. take my grandpa for example. his > hearing is almost totally gone. he cannot even > converse through words anymore but it has become > unnecessary because in his old age he is content to > partake of the cup of life without his hearing. he can > see what people are doing, he can read their lips, he > can walk and breathe and give hugs to his > grandchildren. in his mind, a "realist" is somebody > who does the best he can with the gifts God has given > him. maybe im just reading too much into your use of > the word realist. i understand, im a hip hopper too. > i'll love it till the day i die, im just to the point > where music played by other people isnt a reliable > drug unless i take an interest in it. > --- blindspot wrote: > > > > Hip hop has the severity of the real to it, that > > raves simply lack. > > It also has recognition of the power to control. > > Raves hold the promise of fulfilling ideals of > > beauty whatever they > > may be for both for an individual and a group. Raves > > have the > > recognition of letting go (of control). > > > > Hip hop-realistic > > Raves -idealistic > > > > I, like most people, like healthy doses of both > > reality and idealism. > > Too much of one or the other leads to imbalance in > > the spirit. Hence > > Gangstas vs. Candy Kids and everybody whose got to > > chime in and say > > they either hate one or the other. It's not the > > people they hate > > though, it's the exteremes of what they symbolize. > > It's easier to see > > those extremes than it is to see those hazy > > undefined areas in the > > middle. -- Ari there is no spoon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68200-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 09:11:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51079 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 09:11:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51064 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 09:11:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.46.18] From: "Natalie Villalobos" To: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 02:54:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C10690.277C4F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 09:11:22.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA91E440:01C106C4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Liquid Mercury at Ascension ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C10690.277C4F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good MORNing everyone.. Very sweaty, sitting at Aarons about to watch = Human Traffic (the 9 millionth attempt) Ascension was very groovy last = nite! Liquid Mercury brought in Dj's Madame Mercury, Spinner and = Spyhunter and tore up the basement of Blakes with Trance, Techno and = breaks.. Yummy.. ;) Once again i ran around taking pictures, and if you = would like some see some, check out http://www.technolounge.org/aaron or = email me and will send you some.. or an addy where i will be posting. It = was great to meet and see some many beautiful people! Lots of smiles all = around!!!!! Kenny!!!! I'm Mistress Mercury.. unrelated.. but seperated = at birth.. HEHEHE..email me and I will send you the picture :) CAN NOT = wait till next week when Ice-9 and Denise will be invading my personal = space with audible enlightenments... Come introduce yourself to me.. = (running around with a silver camera) if you end up talking to someone = that isn't me.. hahaha.. that is going to be funny :) ((((HUGS TO = EVERYONE)))) name dropping can't cover all the smiles.. Thanks everyone = for making my nite again!! ---natalie..aka madame mercury ; P ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C10690.277C4F40-- From sfraves-return-68201-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 10:13:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87631 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 10:13:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87621 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 10:13:51 -0000 From: "David E. Weekly" To: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:01:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? Hey all, I'm going to Paris at the end of the month; I've dreamed for years about the possibility of getting to go dancing to live French house music! I'm pumped! I am told though, that you really have to know where to go; anybody have any good suggestions for places to dance to house in Paris? =) Love, -david --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68202-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 10:50:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94741 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 10:50:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94731 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 10:50:06 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 03:49:59 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010707105000.DNQW12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Well... happy birthday anyway Tigger i always hate to hear about a party getting busted, especially when a lot of work went into it. and i don't know what the venue is -- but i would like to point out a couple of things. first, cops are people who do a difficult job. your assumption that, had there not been camcorders, they would have been "breaking out the batons and busting heads" is patently ignorant. i might humbly suggest that the "pretext they pulled out of their asses" was a permit or safety issue. if there is a legal issue, the cops are forced to stop an event. it's their job. sucks for us sometimes, but they don't really have a choice sometimes. your wishes for a rich raver who will "sue the piss out of the pigs" is a rather inefficient way to go about making some changes -- yes, we need to get some definitive rules and processes for permitting spaces so they know they can safely go all night. but the way to do that - at least the way that is actually making a difference - is through articulate and respectful activism. participate in the process, help make the rules make sense, and step forward as a voice to create workable permitting processes. it's the only way. the best defense is to educate yourself and be willing to be a voice for what you want to have happen. and to help make sure that underground events don't attract negative attention. and i don't know tigger either, and i'm sorry your party was shut down, but hope you created a really memorable night out of it anyway -- some of my favorite memories are of nights when the first party was busted and we made something else happen. love, leslie ---------- >From: "John B." >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Well... happy birthday anyway Tigger >Date: Sat, Jul 7, 2001, 12:01 AM > > >So, I just got home from what would have been Plastic Fantastic... turned out >to be not so fantastic afterall. > >Suffice it to say, the party was busted. The cops had apparantly got there >about five minutes before I did, and they were shutting the music down just as >I walked in the door. > >So I wandered for a bit, said hey to a few peeps I knew, and filed out of there >with the rest. Good to see so many people there with cameras and camcorders >keeping the pigs from just breaking out the batons and busting heads. They >must HATE the post-Rodney-King era abundance of small camcorders. > >I gotta wonder tho what pretext they pulled out of their asses? I thought that >space a permitted venue... wasn't that why the party was scheduled to end at 2 >am? Hell, isn't that venue so permitted that its been used as a backup when ug >space owners have flaked in the past? > >I heard various stories, depending on who I asked, from someone having been >caught with a fifth of vodka, to the cops just being their usual priggish >selves and screwing up the permit somehow at the last minute just to fuck up >the party. > >Gawd... all the money in the bay area, there's gotta eventually be a rich raver >who'll be ready to sue the living piss out of the pigs when they pull this >crap... > >I sure as hell know that if *I* am ever Larry Ellison rich.... or hell, even >Steve Jobs rich, *I* would put together some kind of legal "defence" fund to >sue the SOBs into destitution. Defence sucks. The best defence is a good >offence. > >Anyway, Tigger you don't really know me, we just met briefly once and said hey, >but I'm still so sorry your party got busted. Can't win em all, eh? > >I hope you can still pull off a happy birthday anyway. Best of luck. > > >cya >john > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68203-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 11:00:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96637 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 11:00:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96627 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 11:00:52 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <025a01c106d3$e29890c0$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "leslie ayres" , References: <20010707105000.DNQW12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:59:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Well... happy birthday anyway Tigger yah u dont kno wut happened... it could have been entirely the production companies fault for bad permits or sumpthin.. the party getting shut down at 10 shows u how badly organized it was. how did that happen?? wut time did it start?? wut venue was it..?? L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "leslie ayres" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Well... happy birthday anyway Tigger > i always hate to hear about a party getting busted, especially when a lot of > work went into it. > > and i don't know what the venue is -- but i would like to point out a couple > of things. > > first, cops are people who do a difficult job. your assumption that, had > there not been camcorders, they would have been "breaking out the batons and > busting heads" is patently ignorant. > > i might humbly suggest that the "pretext they pulled out of their asses" was > a permit or safety issue. if there is a legal issue, the cops are forced to > stop an event. it's their job. sucks for us sometimes, but they don't really > have a choice sometimes. > > your wishes for a rich raver who will "sue the piss out of the pigs" is a > rather inefficient way to go about making some changes -- yes, we need to > get some definitive rules and processes for permitting spaces so they know > they can safely go all night. but the way to do that - at least the way that > is actually making a difference - is through articulate and respectful > activism. participate in the process, help make the rules make sense, and > step forward as a voice to create workable permitting processes. > > it's the only way. the best defense is to educate yourself and be willing to > be a voice for what you want to have happen. and to help make sure that > underground events don't attract negative attention. > > and i don't know tigger either, and i'm sorry your party was shut down, but > hope you created a really memorable night out of it anyway -- some of my > favorite memories are of nights when the first party was busted and we made > something else happen. > > love, > leslie > > ---------- > >From: "John B." > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] Well... happy birthday anyway Tigger > >Date: Sat, Jul 7, 2001, 12:01 AM > > > > > > >So, I just got home from what would have been Plastic Fantastic... turned out > >to be not so fantastic afterall. > > > >Suffice it to say, the party was busted. The cops had apparantly got there > >about five minutes before I did, and they were shutting the music down just as > >I walked in the door. > > > >So I wandered for a bit, said hey to a few peeps I knew, and filed out of there > >with the rest. Good to see so many people there with cameras and camcorders > >keeping the pigs from just breaking out the batons and busting heads. They > >must HATE the post-Rodney-King era abundance of small camcorders. > > > >I gotta wonder tho what pretext they pulled out of their asses? I thought that > >space a permitted venue... wasn't that why the party was scheduled to end at 2 > >am? Hell, isn't that venue so permitted that its been used as a backup when ug > >space owners have flaked in the past? > > > >I heard various stories, depending on who I asked, from someone having been > >caught with a fifth of vodka, to the cops just being their usual priggish > >selves and screwing up the permit somehow at the last minute just to fuck up > >the party. > > > >Gawd... all the money in the bay area, there's gotta eventually be a rich raver > >who'll be ready to sue the living piss out of the pigs when they pull this > >crap... > > > >I sure as hell know that if *I* am ever Larry Ellison rich.... or hell, even > >Steve Jobs rich, *I* would put together some kind of legal "defence" fund to > >sue the SOBs into destitution. Defence sucks. The best defence is a good > >offence. > > > >Anyway, Tigger you don't really know me, we just met briefly once and said hey, > >but I'm still so sorry your party got busted. Can't win em all, eh? > > > >I hope you can still pull off a happy birthday anyway. Best of luck. > > > > > >cya > >john > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68204-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 14:47:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34844 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 14:47:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34834 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 14:47:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707144743.69021.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 07:47:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Yasmin Fang To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ANYONE GOING TO THE FREAKFEST??? for all those fine party people going to the freakfest tonight have a great time i will be there in pink pants and a white top that says BREEZY on it if you see me tell me what up yasmin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68205-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 15:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46367 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 15:34:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46357 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 15:34:44 -0000 From: "Freak Zone!" To: "sfraves" Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:34:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing I guess they aren't doing too much raving in Iran ------------ Men and Women Flogged for Dancing ------------ TEHRAN, Iran - You thought your parents were strict. Fifty Iranian men and women between the ages of 18 and 25 were rounded up by police for dancing at a party together and were later flogged after a court found them guilty of depravity. The government-run daily newspaper Iran reports that the party-goers received 30 to 99 lashes after they were arrested last weekend in an apartment in an upper-class district in northern Tehran. The paper quoted the judge as saying that the group was celebrating the birthday of the daughter of the landlord when they were caught dancing together. Mixed parties are banned in Iran on religious grounds and penalties include fines, whipping and prison terms. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68206-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 15:42:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50178 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 15:42:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50168 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 15:42:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:42:42 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: Sameer Parekh Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010707084242.A10663@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , Sameer Parekh , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010706094001.D12215@nebcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from sameer@bpm.ai on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 11:04:20AM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? [Sameer Parekh ] > I agree with your distinction that hip-hop is realistic and electronic > dance music is not, but I would say it's far from all being > idealistic/utopian. You should have realized that at the last urban > wasteland at least! the techno, jungle, and electro I like is the > dark, evil stuff. Not exactly happy & utopian sounds... And then of > course there's hardcore, which fully brings out the pure evil side of > electronic dance music. > You've got a good point there. It's not all utopian. Let me amend my statement to say, rather than idealistic (which doesn't really oppose realistic, in the first place), fantastic. EDM is fantastic music, in the dictionary sense: music of fantasy. Some of it is a dark fantasy, some of it really happy, but the nature of the fantasy itself depends on the listener. Hip-Hop is very concrete, very coherent, down-to-earth. However, to take this in a different direction, I would argue that for most pieces of electronica, they have neither a good or evil vibe. Since the music tends to be fairly abstract, most of those determinations are completely listener dependent. Think of teh adage that acid never makes you have a bad or good trip, that's up to your brain and not the drug. There are, of course exceptions. -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68207-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 15:48:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51976 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 15:48:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51965 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 15:48:42 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:57:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hey All!!! Just got home from a lovely party in Cotati, Called Inntense...Had an amazing night, great line up, and friend galor..I guess it was the last party at "the inn of the beginning" and of course it was my first time there. Didnt have my hat so i hope everyone i know saw me..Time to get some sleep, cuz you know Serenity is going to be fun.. See you all there Magick AKA Laith P.S. I heard some bad news about Tiggers Party, Happy B-Day Tigger, sorry i couldnt make it there, maybe that will make up for what happened... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68208-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 15:56:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55508 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 15:56:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55497 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 15:56:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:56:11 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010707085611.B10663@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <004501c10667$f5c82fa0$edcdf7a5@sauoq> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from blindspot@mac.com on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 03:52:06PM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage You don't have to be an experienced user. You just need to be educated. Folks, if you're going to do drugs, you *have* to do some reading first. http://www.erowid.org/ is a good start. I'm sure that there are plenty of experienced users out there who take too much themselves and don't know it until too late. I'm not talking an overdose, I'm talking long term effects. Be a well educated user. [blindspot ] > Hmmm...You are right. I guess I don't PERSONALLY really know what too > much is. I'll trust that you do. I'd be interested to know, though, > what qualifies as an "experienced user"? > > > At 3:06 PM -0700 7/6/01, A. Nonymous wrote: > >I understand your sentiment, dud. I also liked blindspot's reply. > >Unfortunately, although it was sound advice, it didn't answer the question. > > > >So we've got a totally inexperienced user who started dropping e 2 months > >ago, is doing it every week, wants to do it more than that, and is asking a > >specific question, "What's too much?" Answering that with, "Don't do it too > >much," isn't enough. He obviously doesn't have a feeling for what "too much" > >is and wanted quantitative opinions, not vague advice. I personally believe > >that it is an experienced user's duty to answer such questions when asked. > >It is Tet's responsibility, of course, to take everyone else's opinion with > >a grain of salt and to act responsibly. > > > >That said, Tet... I'm not a doctor, I don't play one on TV, and I didn't > >even stay at a Holiday Inn last night. But, I'd say your usage is way too > >much. Take a long break from dropping... research the substance yourself... > >You should almost certainly cut way back from your current consumption... As > >someone else exressed, it is your mind and body... take care of them. > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "dudley doolittle" > >To: ; ; "blindspot" > > > >Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:37 PM > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage > > > > > >> I always cringe at these sort of emails because I worry at the naivety > >that prompts such a question and potentially blindly trusts the myriad of > >answers by peers. Not that you are that sort of person, Tet, but I don't > >know you so I worry you might be. > >> > >> Because although some of the answers you get here may be very well > >educated and of sound knowledge, there are equally as many myths out there > >and much that is still unknown even by the experts. It can be rather > >difficult for even "expereinced" folks to try to seperate the wheat from the > >chaff. > >> > >> But even worse to me is that there are folks on this list who feel > >comfortable and "wise" enough to dispense advice about these kinds of > >questions. Because that is truly dangerous. > >> > >> And then I see that the first response is eloquently and sublimely the > >best advice anyone (expert, professional or otherwise) could give you. > >Thank you, BlindSpot. And Tet, do listen to him/her. > >> > >> dud doo > >> > >> On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:06:07 > >> blindspot wrote: > >> >I'd say if you think something (anything really) you do is special > >> >and you want to keep it that way, then don't do it too much. Does > >> >that make sense? > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > >> http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > -- > -blindspot > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68209-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 16:45:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77903 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 16:45:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77889 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 16:45:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.207.14.166] From: "electric joy boy" To: freakzone@mindspring.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 16:44:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 16:44:35.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AC953F0:01C10704] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing That reminds me of this one night at bondage a go go, mmmmhhmmm oh wait... sorry! Actually, that really sucks. I'm not saying that the western world is perfect or that our governments don't use Gestapo tactics to inhibit our dancing (and drug consumption) freedom but this really puts things in, I think, a proper global perspective. For example, imagine what would happen right now if we tried to throw a "spiritual" tribal full moon celebration in China or threw a UG in Afghanistan? Ben --- http://bhidalgo.tripod.com >From: "Freak Zone!" >To: "sfraves" >Subject: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:34:42 -0700 > >I guess they aren't doing too much raving in Iran > > > > >------------ Men and Women Flogged for Dancing ------------ > >TEHRAN, Iran - You thought your parents were strict. Fifty >Iranian men and women between the ages of 18 and 25 were >rounded up by police for dancing at a party together and were >later flogged after a court found them guilty of depravity. >The government-run daily newspaper Iran reports that the >party-goers received 30 to 99 lashes after they were arrested >last weekend in an apartment in an upper-class district in >northern Tehran. The paper quoted the judge as saying that >the group was celebrating the birthday of the daughter of the >landlord when they were caught dancing together. Mixed parties >are banned in Iran on religious grounds and penalties include >fines, whipping and prison terms. > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68210-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 18:09:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11739 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 18:09:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11729 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 18:09:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:08:20 -0700 From: IntenSmile To: SF Raves Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UTrfX//9S7jzshlApOWcHQ)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Serenity after party suggestions??? --Boundary_(ID_UTrfX//9S7jzshlApOWcHQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT What is everyone doing after Serenity tonight? It ends at 2am and I would like to continue the night with more dancing. Brian --Boundary_(ID_UTrfX//9S7jzshlApOWcHQ)-- From sfraves-return-68211-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 18:12:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15680 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 18:12:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15641 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 18:12:12 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:12:07 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing > Actually, that really sucks. I'm not saying that the western world is > perfect or that our governments don't use Gestapo tactics to inhibit our > dancing (and drug consumption) freedom but this really puts things in, I > think, a proper global perspective. For example, imagine what would happen > right now if we tried to throw a "spiritual" tribal full moon celebration in > China or threw a UG in Afghanistan? Speaking of the potential of throwing an ug in Afghanistan, just to keep things in perspective did you know our government recently sent the Taliban a big-ass cash grant in exchange for cracking down on drugs? I think the US is the only industrialized nation on earth that supports them. We shouldn't discount the fact that we've done and still do a LOT to keep repressive regimes around the world in business, in the name of fighting Communism or, these days, the WOD. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68212-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 18:24:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26145 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 18:24:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26132 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 18:24:33 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:24:26 -0700 From: vix To: , SF Raves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Serenity after party suggestions??? I'd like to know too... 2:00am seems way too early to turn around and head back to bleakest suburbia. vix > > What is everyone doing after Serenity tonight? It ends at 2am and I would > like to continue the night with more dancing. > > Brian > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68213-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 18:30:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29551 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 18:30:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29540 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 18:30:37 -0000 From: Megatron45@aol.com Message-ID: <129.10e51fe.2878af28@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:30:00 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_129.10e51fe.2878af28_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] WHOA.....Mekka Electronic Musik Festival!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --part1_129.10e51fe.2878af28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/7/01 1:03:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bizboi@hotmail.com writes: > Coming in September........ > > Clockwork Eventz are very excited and proud to bring this tour to the > beautiful city of SF! > > This is not be missed...with world class acts & DJs such as... > BT, Deep Dish, Grooverider & Mc GQ, LTJ Bukem & Mc Conrad, Bad Boy Bill, > Mark Farina, Dela Soul, Talib Kweli & many more! > > www.mekkatour.com > > More info coming very soon...STAY TUNED!!! > > > > you know what sux is when big time artists like these people never get to spin at the small clubs in the city because of greedy promoters with exclusive contracts. im not that desperate to see grooverider...i;ll wait til he spins at justice league or something... thaMEGA --part1_129.10e51fe.2878af28_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68214-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 19:27:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53700 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 19:27:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53688 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 19:27:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707192755.36871.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:27:55 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Sameer Parekh , Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? i defy you to distinguish electronic music from hip hop and if you think you can i need to play some abstract hip hop and jungle remixes of hip hop songs for you. --- Sameer Parekh wrote: > I agree with your distinction that hip-hop is > realistic and electronic > dance music is not, but I would say it's far from > all being > idealistic/utopian. You should have realized that at > the last urban > wasteland at least! the techno, jungle, and electro > I like is the > dark, evil stuff. Not exactly happy & utopian > sounds... And then of > course there's hardcore, which fully brings out the > pure evil side of > electronic dance music. > > /s > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg > [mailto:regs@nebcorp.com] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:40 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with > hiphop? > > > I think your observations are good, interesting, and > in no way > contradicatory to previous post. But let me see if > I can clarify that > catergorization. > > We have: > > Hip-Hop == Realistic > EDM == Idealistic > > In order to fully understand that comparison, you > have to figure out > your > perspective. It sure rings true for me, so let me > share my > perspective. > > Hip-Hop, in my experience (I'm a huge Native Tongue > fan (De La Soul, > Tribe > Called Quest, Jungle Brothers) as well as some other > interesting stuff > like The Roots, Poor Righteous Teachers, X-Clan, > Public Enemy, even > some > NWA, waaaaaaay back in the day), has also been about > the world as it > is, > telling a story of life, be it in the projects, or > somewhere on Long > Island, or the streets of LA. Doesn't really > matter. It's art that's > focused on the world that we live in. > > EDM has never been about this world. It's always > (in my mind) been > about a > magical place that you can go to escape this world. > Just the sounds > say > that to me; in good EDM, you hear things that you > cannot identify, > sounds > that do not to seem to be of this world. It takes > you someplace, > someplace > you've never seen but you know that you want to go. > And that, my > friends, > sounds a lot like the classical vision of utopia, a > place far better > than > this. Idealism at its best. :) > > > [dank smoker ] > > i like your take on things...i agree with much of > what > > you said except for one point. i still think hip > hop > > is idealistic. how could an art form be anything > but > > idealistic? it is part of the human condition to > > always desire what is unattainable. to call > something > > "realistic" is to simply buy into the trap of > > labeling. what is realistic to a hip hopper may be > > totally off the wall to somebody who does not even > > listen to music. take my grandpa for example. his > > hearing is almost totally gone. he cannot even > > converse through words anymore but it has become > > unnecessary because in his old age he is content > to > > partake of the cup of life without his hearing. he > can > > see what people are doing, he can read their lips, > he > > can walk and breathe and give hugs to his > > grandchildren. in his mind, a "realist" is > somebody > > who does the best he can with the gifts God has > given > > him. maybe im just reading too much into your use > of > > the word realist. i understand, im a hip hopper > too. > > i'll love it till the day i die, im just to the > point > > where music played by other people isnt a reliable > > drug unless i take an interest in it. > > --- blindspot wrote: > > > > > > Hip hop has the severity of the real to it, that > > > raves simply lack. > > > It also has recognition of the power to control. > > > Raves hold the promise of fulfilling ideals of > > > beauty whatever they > > > may be for both for an individual and a group. > Raves > > > have the > > > recognition of letting go (of control). > > > > > > Hip hop-realistic > > > Raves -idealistic > > > > > > I, like most people, like healthy doses of both > > > reality and idealism. > > > Too much of one or the other leads to imbalance > in > > > the spirit. Hence > > > Gangstas vs. Candy Kids and everybody whose got > to > > > chime in and say > > > they either hate one or the other. It's not the > > > people they hate > > > though, it's the exteremes of what they > symbolize. > > > It's easier to see > > > those extremes than it is to see those hazy > > > undefined areas in the > > > middle. > > -- > Ari there is no spoon > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68215-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 19:50:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66246 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 19:50:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66229 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 19:50:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707195054.55129.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] house or dnb tonight in the city? i am looking for a place to dance to some house or jungle tonight in or near the city. need not be a rave. i dont think im going to be going to serenity because, well, the sight of people hugging on ecstasy is starting to make me sick to my stomach. i'm only 20, so i suppose it must be 18+ *sigh*. any info is greatly appreciated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68216-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 20:02:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72258 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 20:02:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72243 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 20:02:14 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "dank smoker" , "Sameer Parekh" , "Ari Gordon-Schlosberg" , Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:56:58 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20010707192755.36871.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> X-Apparently-From: Jambolo@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? It's true--although Hip Hop and Electronic can be quite different, they did, after all, come from many of the same roots. Listen closely and you'll find a lot of the same synth noises and the same drum machines. They both work off each other, and they both emerged as a culture in a similar way. For instance, compare the days when Cool Herc and Grandmaster Flash all used to set up their tables in some park and spin to an ODP or a UG of today. And for a good example of the fusion of jungle and hip hop today, i urge you to check out stuff on the Jungle Sky Label. www.liquidskymusic.com (i think). Anyways, as far as utopian/realistic, I think there is a spectrum for both genres. Peace all! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) -----Original Message----- From: dank smoker [mailto:dj_dopamine151@yahoo.com] Sent: 07 July 2001 12:28 To: Sameer Parekh; Ari Gordon-Schlosberg; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? Importance: Low i defy you to distinguish electronic music from hip hop and if you think you can i need to play some abstract hip hop and jungle remixes of hip hop songs for you. --- Sameer Parekh wrote: > I agree with your distinction that hip-hop is > realistic and electronic > dance music is not, but I would say it's far from > all being > idealistic/utopian. You should have realized that at > the last urban > wasteland at least! the techno, jungle, and electro > I like is the > dark, evil stuff. Not exactly happy & utopian > sounds... And then of > course there's hardcore, which fully brings out the > pure evil side of > electronic dance music. > > /s > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg > [mailto:regs@nebcorp.com] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:40 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with > hiphop? > > > I think your observations are good, interesting, and > in no way > contradicatory to previous post. But let me see if > I can clarify that > catergorization. > > We have: > > Hip-Hop == Realistic > EDM == Idealistic > > In order to fully understand that comparison, you > have to figure out > your > perspective. It sure rings true for me, so let me > share my > perspective. > > Hip-Hop, in my experience (I'm a huge Native Tongue > fan (De La Soul, > Tribe > Called Quest, Jungle Brothers) as well as some other > interesting stuff > like The Roots, Poor Righteous Teachers, X-Clan, > Public Enemy, even > some > NWA, waaaaaaay back in the day), has also been about > the world as it > is, > telling a story of life, be it in the projects, or > somewhere on Long > Island, or the streets of LA. Doesn't really > matter. It's art that's > focused on the world that we live in. > > EDM has never been about this world. It's always > (in my mind) been > about a > magical place that you can go to escape this world. > Just the sounds > say > that to me; in good EDM, you hear things that you > cannot identify, > sounds > that do not to seem to be of this world. It takes > you someplace, > someplace > you've never seen but you know that you want to go. > And that, my > friends, > sounds a lot like the classical vision of utopia, a > place far better > than > this. Idealism at its best. :) > > > [dank smoker ] > > i like your take on things...i agree with much of > what > > you said except for one point. i still think hip > hop > > is idealistic. how could an art form be anything > but > > idealistic? it is part of the human condition to > > always desire what is unattainable. to call > something > > "realistic" is to simply buy into the trap of > > labeling. what is realistic to a hip hopper may be > > totally off the wall to somebody who does not even > > listen to music. take my grandpa for example. his > > hearing is almost totally gone. he cannot even > > converse through words anymore but it has become > > unnecessary because in his old age he is content > to > > partake of the cup of life without his hearing. he > can > > see what people are doing, he can read their lips, > he > > can walk and breathe and give hugs to his > > grandchildren. in his mind, a "realist" is > somebody > > who does the best he can with the gifts God has > given > > him. maybe im just reading too much into your use > of > > the word realist. i understand, im a hip hopper > too. > > i'll love it till the day i die, im just to the > point > > where music played by other people isnt a reliable > > drug unless i take an interest in it. > > --- blindspot wrote: > > > > > > Hip hop has the severity of the real to it, that > > > raves simply lack. > > > It also has recognition of the power to control. > > > Raves hold the promise of fulfilling ideals of > > > beauty whatever they > > > may be for both for an individual and a group. > Raves > > > have the > > > recognition of letting go (of control). > > > > > > Hip hop-realistic > > > Raves -idealistic > > > > > > I, like most people, like healthy doses of both > > > reality and idealism. > > > Too much of one or the other leads to imbalance > in > > > the spirit. Hence > > > Gangstas vs. Candy Kids and everybody whose got > to > > > chime in and say > > > they either hate one or the other. It's not the > > > people they hate > > > though, it's the exteremes of what they > symbolize. > > > It's easier to see > > > those extremes than it is to see those hazy > > > undefined areas in the > > > middle. > > -- > Ari there is no spoon > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68217-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 20:21:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77939 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 20:21:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77924 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 20:21:54 -0000 From: "Sameer Parekh" To: "nomadicDJ" , "dank smoker" , "Ari Gordon-Schlosberg" , Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:20:18 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? these were of course generalizations. I myself am not a big fan of hip-hop, but the hip-hop bass kick that you find in electro really is part of what I love so much about electro... i definitely know the roots of the sound... /s -----Original Message----- From: nomadicDJ [mailto:cs@nomadicDJ.com] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 12:57 PM To: dank smoker; Sameer Parekh; Ari Gordon-Schlosberg; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? It's true--although Hip Hop and Electronic can be quite different, they did, after all, come from many of the same roots. Listen closely and you'll find a lot of the same synth noises and the same drum machines. They both work off each other, and they both emerged as a culture in a similar way. For instance, compare the days when Cool Herc and Grandmaster Flash all used to set up their tables in some park and spin to an ODP or a UG of today. And for a good example of the fusion of jungle and hip hop today, i urge you to check out stuff on the Jungle Sky Label. www.liquidskymusic.com (i think). Anyways, as far as utopian/realistic, I think there is a spectrum for both genres. Peace all! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) -----Original Message----- From: dank smoker [mailto:dj_dopamine151@yahoo.com] Sent: 07 July 2001 12:28 To: Sameer Parekh; Ari Gordon-Schlosberg; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? Importance: Low i defy you to distinguish electronic music from hip hop and if you think you can i need to play some abstract hip hop and jungle remixes of hip hop songs for you. --- Sameer Parekh wrote: > I agree with your distinction that hip-hop is > realistic and electronic > dance music is not, but I would say it's far from > all being > idealistic/utopian. You should have realized that at > the last urban > wasteland at least! the techno, jungle, and electro > I like is the > dark, evil stuff. Not exactly happy & utopian > sounds... And then of > course there's hardcore, which fully brings out the > pure evil side of > electronic dance music. > > /s > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg > [mailto:regs@nebcorp.com] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:40 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] What's the problem with > hiphop? > > > I think your observations are good, interesting, and > in no way > contradicatory to previous post. But let me see if > I can clarify that > catergorization. > > We have: > > Hip-Hop == Realistic > EDM == Idealistic > > In order to fully understand that comparison, you > have to figure out > your > perspective. It sure rings true for me, so let me > share my > perspective. > > Hip-Hop, in my experience (I'm a huge Native Tongue > fan (De La Soul, > Tribe > Called Quest, Jungle Brothers) as well as some other > interesting stuff > like The Roots, Poor Righteous Teachers, X-Clan, > Public Enemy, even > some > NWA, waaaaaaay back in the day), has also been about > the world as it > is, > telling a story of life, be it in the projects, or > somewhere on Long > Island, or the streets of LA. Doesn't really > matter. It's art that's > focused on the world that we live in. > > EDM has never been about this world. It's always > (in my mind) been > about a > magical place that you can go to escape this world. > Just the sounds > say > that to me; in good EDM, you hear things that you > cannot identify, > sounds > that do not to seem to be of this world. It takes > you someplace, > someplace > you've never seen but you know that you want to go. > And that, my > friends, > sounds a lot like the classical vision of utopia, a > place far better > than > this. Idealism at its best. :) > > > [dank smoker ] > > i like your take on things...i agree with much of > what > > you said except for one point. i still think hip > hop > > is idealistic. how could an art form be anything > but > > idealistic? it is part of the human condition to > > always desire what is unattainable. to call > something > > "realistic" is to simply buy into the trap of > > labeling. what is realistic to a hip hopper may be > > totally off the wall to somebody who does not even > > listen to music. take my grandpa for example. his > > hearing is almost totally gone. he cannot even > > converse through words anymore but it has become > > unnecessary because in his old age he is content > to > > partake of the cup of life without his hearing. he > can > > see what people are doing, he can read their lips, > he > > can walk and breathe and give hugs to his > > grandchildren. in his mind, a "realist" is > somebody > > who does the best he can with the gifts God has > given > > him. maybe im just reading too much into your use > of > > the word realist. i understand, im a hip hopper > too. > > i'll love it till the day i die, im just to the > point > > where music played by other people isnt a reliable > > drug unless i take an interest in it. > > --- blindspot wrote: > > > > > > Hip hop has the severity of the real to it, that > > > raves simply lack. > > > It also has recognition of the power to control. > > > Raves hold the promise of fulfilling ideals of > > > beauty whatever they > > > may be for both for an individual and a group. > Raves > > > have the > > > recognition of letting go (of control). > > > > > > Hip hop-realistic > > > Raves -idealistic > > > > > > I, like most people, like healthy doses of both > > > reality and idealism. > > > Too much of one or the other leads to imbalance > in > > > the spirit. Hence > > > Gangstas vs. Candy Kids and everybody whose got > to > > > chime in and say > > > they either hate one or the other. It's not the > > > people they hate > > > though, it's the exteremes of what they > symbolize. > > > It's easier to see > > > those extremes than it is to see those hazy > > > undefined areas in the > > > middle. > > -- > Ari there is no spoon > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68218-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 20:37:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85028 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 20:37:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85017 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 20:37:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:39:19 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <000c01c10724$e639f6a0$8178ce3f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C106EA.39301190" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] WHAT ARE SOME GOOD JUNGLE ALBUMS??? ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C106EA.39301190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well ive been in love with jungle as well as everything else for a while = now, and well i say i have about a 200 cd book full of trance and = hardhouse/hard nrg, a 100 cd book full of happyhardcore and hardcore, = and now i wanna start a jungle/dnb book so im just wondering what some = of your opinions and choices for me to get some jungle albums, thanx = everyone! w00dy!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C106EA.39301190-- From sfraves-return-68219-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 20:41:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86880 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 20:41:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86870 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 20:41:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707204133.40567.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:41:33 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: w00dy , Sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <000c01c10724$e639f6a0$8178ce3f@justin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] WHAT ARE SOME GOOD JUNGLE ALBUMS??? wow thats a lot of cds. you'll have a nice set of coasters when they start getting scratched and going to shit. for your first jungle vinyl may i suggest ed rush & optical's kerbcrawler? --- w00dy wrote: > Well ive been in love with jungle as well as > everything else for a while now, and well i say i > have about a 200 cd book full of trance and > hardhouse/hard nrg, a 100 cd book full of > happyhardcore and hardcore, and now i wanna start a > jungle/dnb book so im just wondering what some of > your opinions and choices for me to get some jungle > albums, thanx everyone! > > w00dy!!!! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68220-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 21:05:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93412 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 21:05:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93400 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 21:05:14 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: <11.16bbfed7.2878d381@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:05:05 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DOOR TIXS AVAILABLE FOR SERENITY See you all there tonight!!! Yarrow --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68221-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 21:12:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95806 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 21:11:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95794 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 21:11:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.147] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:10:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C106EE.9C3FE220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 21:11:31.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[64E69090:01C10729] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Serenity is looking *AWESOME* ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C106EE.9C3FE220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been at the space that Serenity is being held at setting up visuals = in the main room since 9am. There is a lot of work going into this party = and the space is AWESOME!! CLEAN and very spacious. This isn't going to = be some ghetto massive-esque party. I'm not in to the big crowd, lots of = people running around parties, but this is getting me amped for tonight! = This is an old space from years ago and I've never been to a party = there. I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of smiling faces tonight. = It's going to be worth the time and money to come out and it's in San = Francisco! Damn... this sounds like a BSP almost even though I have = nothing to do with the promoter. Just part of the Viberation visuals = team. Come stop by the booth and say hello to us if you plan on = attending. Main room, left side by the bathrooms. Be safe and have a = good night whatever you end up doing! ryan.bailey sninesix.design www.viberation.com/ryan ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C106EE.9C3FE220-- From sfraves-return-68222-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 21:25:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99439 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 21:25:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99429 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 21:25:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707212503.19849.qmail@nwcst294> Date: 7 Jul 2001 14:25:03 PDT From: MEEHAWL MACRUAIRI To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.18.03B) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: [[sfraves] WHAT ARE SOME GOOD JUNGLE ALBUMS???] w00dy wrote: > now i wanna start a jungle/dnb book so im just wondering what some of y= our opinions and choices for me to get some jungle albums, thanx everyone! Go right to the source: Guy Called Gerald's first two jungle albums: 28 Gun Bad Boy Black Secret Technology These are the jungle wellspring. Others may have different opinions, but = for me most of what UK jungle was in the 1990s came from these two albums. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68223-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 21:47:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6713 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 21:47:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6703 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 21:47:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707214746.95951.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Presser To: "David E. Weekly" , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? There are some pretty cool clubs in Paris. However, don't get alarmed if you see a large gay and/or cross-dresser contingent in a lot of the clubs there. They're a lot more open about "mixed" crowds there and a lot of the places where gays go to play have a grip of good-looking people, especially women. Also, if you manage to hook-up w/some English speakers who know the area there, they might take you to one of the smaller parties that goes on in the city. Le Gibus - Mainly a gay club but they have rotating straight parties on Thur., Fri., and/or Sat. 18 rue du Fbg du TEMPLE 750011 Tèl: 01.47.00.78.88 M REPUBLIQUE Les Bains - Upscale club if you're into that crowd. Good music, too. Pricey. 7, rue du Bourg l'Abbé PARIS 3 ème 01.48.87.01.80 M° Etienne Marcel Le Queen - Big, gay, commercial club but the party rocks and the people are hot. The women are drawn by the gay crowd, and the straight dudes are drawn by the women. Harmony, n'est pas? 102, av des Champs Elysees PARIS 8 éme 01 42 89 31 32 M° Champs Elysées Le Duplex - Never been but I heard a lot of good things about it. 2 bis avenue Foch, Paris 16e. Tél. 33/ 01 45 00 93 93 fax 33/ 01 45 00 01 28. M° Charles de Gaulle-Étoile. Le Rex - Basement club like Le Gibus. Also has rotating parties. 5, bd Poisonnière PARIS 2 ème 01.42.36.83.98 La Locomotive - Cool, 3 room club. 90, bd de Clichy 75018 01.42.57.37.37 M° Blanche Le Mixer - Cool hole in the wall near the Hotel DeVille. Working and wannabe DJs can mix there, and when the crowd is tight, it's a cool place to be. 23 rue Ste Croix de la Bretonnerie, Paris 4ème Le Batofar - Haven't been there but also heard it's a good place. But the address looks like it's on a pier, so if this one is on a boat, I did actually go here once and it was WAY cool. Bateau Rouge au pont de Tolbiac, Paris 13ème All of the clubs will have flyers on raves, clubs, and other parties in the city. Also, the ones w/multiple rooms will have house music. A lot of the others depend on the party for any given night, but La Locomotive, Queen, and Duplex have house music rooms. ENJOY cause that town literally never sleeps, except on Sun.! :) Aloha, Rick --- "David E. Weekly" wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm going to Paris at the end of the month; I've > dreamed for years about the > possibility of getting to go dancing to live French > house music! I'm pumped! I > am told though, that you really have to know where > to go; anybody have any > good suggestions for places to dance to house in > Paris? =) > > Love, > -david > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68224-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 22:03:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12083 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 22:03:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12072 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 22:03:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707220354.896.qmail@web9804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: IT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <6.1911fc00.2877e1b0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Sick "art" called Bonsai Cats. What can we do? i hope this post was in keeping with the sarcastic nature of the bonsai kitten website... if not... well... --- BodhiInSF@aol.com wrote: > Art is usually controversial, that what makes art > what it is. But, when > "art" causes the suffering of any living being, then > it is not art, but > cruelty without pretentiousness and the one of the > worst manifestation of the > ego. > Thanks Gianni for bring this up. Anyone who has a > pet would be repulsed by > this perversion of the manifestation of the human > spirit called art. > I don't know if this practice is legal in places > like Japan or Indonesia, > but I assume this defiantly falls in the category of > cruelty to animals here > in the US and California. I mean, if the local > Humane Society came to my > house and saw animals starved, tortured, diseased > and abused, I'd go to jail. > Surely putting kittens in bottles and causing them > to develop according to > the dimensions of the bottle shape is cruelty and > should be prosecuted. There > is a difference in nude art like Mapelthorpe's, > which is adults consenting to > having themselves photographed in erotic positions, > and animals, which cannot > consent, shoved in bottles. All they know is they > are suffering. > What can we do about this? First of all, mail the > web master of this > disgusting sight and let them know that we are on to > them and that we are > going to bring them to the attention of the media > and animal rights > organizations like the Humane Society and the SPCA. > Second, forward this sight to media groups like > radio and TV stations both > national and local as well as news papers. If enough > people will do this, > someone will pick this up and do an expose, and save > a lot of kittens from > this maltreatment, and get some people prosecuted. > Why am I disturbed? One main reason is that if > people have this attitude > toward an animal's life, usually they don't think > too much of a human's > either. Murder and cruelty began when someone's > life, whether human of animal > is made less than the murderer and crueltist and > reduced to 3rd and 4th class > status. > Send a prayer and blessing to all suffering > beings who ever they may be. > Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68225-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 22:39:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25197 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 22:39:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25165 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 22:39:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707223928.52697.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:39:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] my friday night review...hip hop last night i went to hear some hip hop at a club in north beach...i was told that it was hip hop, but let me tell you, it wasn't...it wasn't anything beyond technique and meaningless words...that's not hip hop. p.s. special message: your welcome... if this keeps up, then next time you take care of your business, you can line your hand with your billfold too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68226-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 22:46:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30630 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 22:46:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30620 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 22:46:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707224610.85359.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: Pual CHOCO , sf raves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] My friday night What up Kids, O.k. we ended up not going to tigger's party because we had found out that it got busted so we decided to check out this other party in Cotati. Before we headed out Paul (DJ CHOCO) and I stopped at a local mini-mart to get our dose of red bull. Thank god I bought three of them. So we get to the venue "the Inn at the Beginning". nice little place. Unfortunately it is changing ownership very soon, so they threw once last party there. The place is kinda small but has three seperate rooms and the music is heard through out the whole venue, and a pretty large patio outside to smoke and cool off. The Vibe? I'm a little undecided about the vibe. I felt a little out of place there, one being sober, there seemed to me to be a lot of pill poppers at this one (or maybe just the majority of the people i met where). But I meet a lot of new people and had some pretty great conversations. Evan, Laith (if you meet me at Bay St. on thursday we can hit up Ascensions together), Cocoa, Mango, Nicole, Curly, CJ, and a few other people that I didn't introduce myself to but had some funny conversations with none the less. We got there right before DJ D got on deck. Always a blessing to hear her. Stevie B threw down some funky tunes too. I had to dance a little to his set. It was difficult for me to dance because of the skirt i was wearing but I wore the skirt so I wouldn't be tempted to dance. I just had my tattoo on my stomach worked on that same day and didn't want anything to irritate it. Can't remember who came on after him something Spars, and I finally got to hear MODA. I was ready to leave around 4:30 so around 5:30 I went outside to smoke and ran to get the last red bull. we ended up leaving at 6:30-7:00. Such a long night. Over all a good party. To bad it was the last one there I would have loved to go to another one at this venue. See you guys at serenity. I'll be the one in White. Jamie Star __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68227-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 22:53:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34826 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 22:53:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34805 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 22:53:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.198.157] From: "Sweet DeViL" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 15:53:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 22:53:08.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[976BBAA0:01C10737] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Where is Serenity at? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68228-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 22:57:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36906 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 22:57:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36896 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 22:57:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.73] From: "DJ D" To: djd-announce@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 15:57:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 22:57:08.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[2683CF20:01C10738] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Denise aka DJ D's timeslots for tonight! (bsp) Hey all, I'll be playing two shows tonight, here's my time slots: Freakfest: 12:30-1:15 in the HouseNation room Invasion: 3-4 in Room 2 Flyer images, info lines, and other relevant info can be found on my web site: http://www.dj-d.com, click on 'future shows.' Okay y'all, what ever you end up doing tonight, be safe and have fun!!! Take care, Denise aka DJ D :) PS. My new mix tape, "The Orange Species", will be released this coming week! Keep your eyes peeled! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68229-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 23:01:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39042 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 23:01:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39019 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 23:01:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.230] From: "innocentchild" To: "Sweet DeViL" , , References: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:59:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 23:01:14.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8F43660:01C10738] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Where is Serenity at? Concourse Exhibition Center in SF - 8th and Brannan . It's between Townsend and Brannan at 8th basically. ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sweet DeViL" To: ; Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: [sfraves] Where is Serenity at? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68230-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 23:16:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47732 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 23:16:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47721 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 23:16:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.105.183] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 16:15:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 23:16:00.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8C759D0:01C1073A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] How much are tickets for Serenity or Freak Fest? Can anyone tell me how much the door/presale tickets are for these shows? I want to attend one, but am not sure which one is cheaper. Hell, i might not even attend either if they are too expensive. Thanks for the info anyone! Peace, Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68231-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 23:16:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48266 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 23:16:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48213 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 23:16:33 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.53] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 23:16:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 23:16:04.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB3302A0:01C1073A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp**STEREOPHONIK Brings u DDR** THIS WEDNESDAY JULY 11th STEREOPHONIK BRINGS YOU DDR OF SMITTEN RECORDS & STAY UP FOREVER. Oh yeah, its also our ONE YEAR ANNIVESARY! For seven dollars you gets DDR live acid pa. Did you see it last time? No? Well this is your chance. This guy rocked it at the Cactus Club last year and is guaranteed to do it again! We also will be bringing the hard trance sounds of Amber who I'm sure will bring a smile to your feet, and a little spring to your step! Also included will be the usual goofiness of Keith Edwards vs. Damon with a little Solid Grooves tag team, and of course my usual proggesive beats. So come out, come early, and stay late. Maybe take Thursday off. Dance, drink, and be merry. See you there Blair STEREOPHONIK _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68232-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 23:25:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54834 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 23:25:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54824 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 23:25:44 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c1073c$074eee10$59b3b018@CC229840a> From: "Funkybaby Productions" To: "sfraves" Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:24:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C10701.5AD932B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Full Moon Party Tonight!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C10701.5AD932B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Everyone Funky Baby Productions would like to invite you to the next Full Moon = Party!!! Featuring: Ariel Cybana - Spin Knowledge/Dubcoast Music SF Razor FM - Denver CO Rigatony - Sagitarian Prod. SAC Dan Yoas - A-Frame SAC Kelly Williams - Funkybaby SAC Belfast Bill - Funkybaby IRELAND Join us this Saturday August 7h for a historic evening under the full = moon with warm friends and lots of love. 916-506-4600 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C10701.5AD932B0-- From sfraves-return-68233-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 07 23:59:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72598 invoked by uid 1104); 7 Jul 2001 23:59:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72588 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 23:59:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707235940.7356.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:59:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: leslie.ayres@sflnc.com, djesmo@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Well... happy birthday anyway Tigger Okay. I'm sorry. I guess my last post was a little over the top. I had just driven to and back from Livermore with only about a ten minute stop to find out the party was busted, and was kinda irritated. I should realise that that's a small thing compared to getting a party you put your heart into shut down... and on your birthday no less. In case I came off the wrong way last nite, I'd like to reiterate that in no way do I hold any ill will towards Tigger or the Plastic Fantastic crew. I know you guys have no control over the cops and that they can get away with harassing you at will. I know that sometimes, shit happens, and you just have to move on. If anyone got the opposite impression, I'm sorry. That was not my intention. I guess I should remember to sleep off the irritation after parties gone bad more often. I've noticed that actually.... going back through my old emails... At the parties Ive been at that got busted, or fucked with in other ways, If I wrote about it the night of, I am pretty caustic and lash out even at the crew... who I KNOW didn't mean for their party to get fucked with. But If I sleep on it, I calm down, realise that it's the situation and the cops I'm pissed at.... NOT the crew, and I write a more rational and sane review. It's amazing what you can learn about yourself if you save your correspondance, and reread a year's worth or so. I don't know if anyone else does this (I'm an electronic pakrat myself, I save nearly everything I write), but if you don't, I highly recommend you try it... I bet you'll be as fascinated as I was. In any event, I'll try to do better in the future. Tigger, and the rest of the crew, and anyone else I may have offended.... I'm sorry. I shouldn't have been so hasty last nite. peace, john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68234-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 00:28:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85286 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 00:28:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85276 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 00:28:46 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <000f01c10744$baef4ca0$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "John B." , Cc: References: <20010707235940.7356.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:27:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Well... happy birthday anyway Tigger i heard it was more the promoters fault bcuz they could not produce the permits when tha cops asked for them... but i dont kno i wasnt there.. but 2 get shut down at 10?? wut tha fuck happened??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John B." To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Well... happy birthday anyway Tigger > Okay. I'm sorry. I guess my last post was a little over the top. I had just > driven to and back from Livermore with only about a ten minute stop to find > out the party was busted, and was kinda irritated. I should realise that > that's a small thing compared to getting a party you put your heart into shut > down... and on your birthday no less. > > In case I came off the wrong way last nite, I'd like to reiterate that in no > way do I hold any ill will towards Tigger or the Plastic Fantastic crew. I > know you guys have no control over the cops and that they can get away with > harassing you at will. I know that sometimes, shit happens, and you just have > to move on. > > If anyone got the opposite impression, I'm sorry. That was not my intention. > > I guess I should remember to sleep off the irritation after parties gone bad > more often. I've noticed that actually.... going back through my old emails... > > At the parties Ive been at that got busted, or fucked with in other ways, If I > wrote about it the night of, I am pretty caustic and lash out even at the > crew... who I KNOW didn't mean for their party to get fucked with. But If I > sleep on it, I calm down, realise that it's the situation and the cops I'm > pissed at.... NOT the crew, and I write a more rational and sane review. > > It's amazing what you can learn about yourself if you save your correspondance, > and reread a year's worth or so. I don't know if anyone else does this (I'm an > electronic pakrat myself, I save nearly everything I write), but if you don't, > I highly recommend you try it... I bet you'll be as fascinated as I was. > > In any event, I'll try to do better in the future. Tigger, and the rest of the > crew, and anyone else I may have offended.... I'm sorry. I shouldn't have been > so hasty last nite. > > > peace, > john > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68235-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 00:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94375 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 00:49:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94362 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 00:48:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010708004856.7953.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Come Unity? Come Unity!! Just wanted to drop a little line to say that this was a really great party last night! It was everything I knew it would be, everything I hoped it would be, and then some. I hadn't been dancing in 3 weeks, and it felt good to be out again. By the time it was over I was beat down, unable to keep going, but unwilling to quit! Many thanks go out to the people on the list that I met last night: Knowmad, Doug Fraser, Apollo, and mirage. You all made me feel at home, and I appreciate it! Hope to see more of everyone in the near future! Much love, -Dreg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68236-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 00:53:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96252 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 00:53:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96242 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 00:53:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.46.18] From: "Natalie Villalobos" To: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:35:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10713.A4414AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 00:52:39.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[4960B980:01C10748] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Invasion Ticket FOR SALE ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10713.A4414AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- =20 Hey all.. Ride got sicky poo.. and i have an Invasion ticket for $25 :) = South Bay girl.. lemme know if you want it.. --natalie=20 BTW--party starts at 10 goes till 5am all djs confirmed except Malicious Mike : P 408-255-5508 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10713.A4414AC0-- From sfraves-return-68237-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 00:57:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 639 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 00:57:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 629 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 00:57:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 17:54:10 -0700 From: Morgan Foust To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: Morgan Foust Message-id: <000a01c10748$7fdb4200$6501a8c0@insomnia> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <994543439.12346.ezmlm@hyperreal.org> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ecstasy dosage Okay, first off, SF-Raves is not a list about drug use. There are mailing lists out there about ecstasy and I'd recommend posting your questions to those groups, not to SF-Raves. But I'm going to reply because I see the opportunity to talk about safety... and this is one of my favorite things to talk about. ;) When it comes to ecstasy... there is no safe dosage. It's possible for any dose of ecstasy to hurt you. Dancesafe especially is not going to tell you how much E it is safe to take because Dancesafe is NEVER going to tell you that ANY drug use is perfectly safe. Dancesafe's purpose is to tell people how to reduce the risk, and with ecstasy, if you want to reduce the risk, then take less of it. And take it less often. (You should also monitor your body temperature and your water intake, as well.) Dancesafe is a great organization that will tell you how to reduce the danger, but they're not going to tell you how much is a good dose to take... they'll tell you the same thing I'm about to tell you: If you want to be perfectly safe from the harmful effects of ecstasy, then don't do it. If you think that there's a magic dosage at which you can take E and it won't harm you, then you're living in a fantasyworld. The point is that you understand the risks and make your decision based on those risks: is it worth it the risk of possible brain damage to have a four-hour high? Some people think it's worth it. I'll admit that I've done my fair share of ecstasy and I may or may not take it again someday - however, each time you take a pill of ecstasy, you have to be aware that you're opening up the possibility of harming yourself. It comes with the territory. Think of it this way: if you tried skydiving once, and you really enjoyed it, you wouldn't be asking people, "How high is too high of an altitude to skydive from?" It's a silly question. Skydiving from any altitude is dangerous - there's always the possibility of getting hurt. The danger is part of the activity. You can reduce the risk of suffering harmful effects if you space out your ecstasy experiences by at least a week. You can further reduce the risk by spacing them out by at least a month. You can reduce the risk even further by not taking more than one pill in a night. Even if you're conservative about it and take ecstasy no more than once a month and in dosages no larger than a single pill at a time, you still may permanently damage your serotonin system and suffer exaggerated effects of clinical depression for months or years afterwards because of it. But the possibility is much much greater if you take more than one pill at a time or if you do it every weekend. But there's only one dosage that is perfectly safe: zero. -- Morgan [BTW, I'm not a representative of Dancesafe and do not take my statements as endorsed by Dancesafe or as having anything to do with Dancesafe at all.] > > >From: tetsuya@space.com > > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: [sfraves] Ecstasy Dosage > > >Date: 6 Jul 2001 13:37:02 -0700 > > > > > >I started using about 2 months ago, and love it. The thing is I like to > > >take it almost every weekend now, and sometimes I would like to take it > > >more than that. I have gone to the site "dancesafe.org" to try to find a > > >safe dosage and the amount of time that one should wait between doing it, > > >but have been unsuccessful. I would love if someone out there could give > > >me an idea of how long one should wait and how much is too much. > > > > > >Thanks Soooo Much, > > > > > > > > >Love to dance, n dance to love... > > > > > >Tet --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68238-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 01:21:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9527 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 01:21:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9515 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 01:21:04 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c1074c$23513cc0$59b3b018@CC229840a> From: "Funkybaby Productions" To: "sfraves" Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:20:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C10711.76DB8160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Tonights Full Moon Party!! ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C10711.76DB8160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Everyone I just wanted to say that in the last e-mail to the list I made a = mistake and put the wrong date in, tonight is the Full Moon Party!!!! = For more info call 916-506-4600. Jason ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C10711.76DB8160-- From sfraves-return-68239-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 02:14:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22824 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 02:14:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22811 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 02:14:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.176.252.220] From: "P- Stash" To: sf-oasis@topica.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 02:14:23 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 02:14:24.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4D34830:01C10753] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Web Hosting Recommendations? can anyone recommend a good web host? i need at 300MB to start with, mostly to hold mp3 mixes or real audio. thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68240-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 03:56:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52269 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 03:56:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52255 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 03:56:47 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.102.177] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: starkand_e@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 20:56:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 03:56:16.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[F04265F0:01C10761] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: My friday night hey hey hey, whats up... ya, friday night was a blast. after hearing the voice mail for plastic fantastic...i was bummed that it was cancelled...i thought that the night was gonna end right there. hah, luckily i checked my email earlier that day and caught a posting on inntense...so we were off. we were on a journey again to whereever we were going. my trustee sidekick jamie, got us there in a quickie...its amazing how this gurl KnOWs where everything is...cool deal. i met up with cocoa along with her friends. sucks, she left already for LA...wont be back until august. anyways, ya, Denise's set rocked again. Eric Brown was dope! it was my first time seein him spin...(the one before D's set). Being sober all night as usual, i felt pretty tired, those red bulls wore off quik...so i just chilled and sat down outside, and then back in to the building. hmm... yo jamie, i cant believe we pulled this night off. thanks again. =) i cant wait till next friday...hah! till then, keep in touch...peace! -choco >From: Jamie Murray >To: Pual CHOCO , sf raves >Subject: My friday night >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT) > >What up Kids, > >O.k. we ended up not going to tigger's party because >we had found out that it got busted so we decided to >check out this other party in Cotati. Before we headed >out Paul (DJ CHOCO) and I stopped at a local mini-mart >to get our dose of red bull. Thank god I bought three >of them. >So we get to the venue "the Inn at the Beginning". >nice little place. Unfortunately it is changing >ownership very soon, so they threw once last party >there. The place is kinda small but has three >seperate rooms and the music is heard through out the >whole venue, and a pretty large patio outside to smoke >and cool off. >The Vibe? I'm a little undecided about the vibe. I >felt a little out of place there, one being sober, >there seemed to me to be a lot of pill poppers at this >one (or maybe just the majority of the people i met >where). But I meet a lot of new people and had some >pretty great conversations. Evan, Laith (if you meet >me at Bay St. on thursday we can hit up Ascensions >together), Cocoa, Mango, Nicole, Curly, CJ, and a few >other people that I didn't introduce myself to but had >some funny conversations with none the less. >We got there right before DJ D got on deck. Always a >blessing to hear her. Stevie B threw down some funky >tunes too. I had to dance a little to his set. It >was difficult for me to dance because of the skirt i >was wearing but I wore the skirt so I wouldn't be >tempted to dance. I just had my tattoo on my stomach >worked on that same day and didn't want anything to >irritate it. Can't remember who came on after him >something Spars, and I finally got to hear MODA. I was >ready to leave around 4:30 so around 5:30 I went >outside to smoke and ran to get the last red bull. we >ended up leaving at 6:30-7:00. Such a long night. >Over all a good party. To bad it was the last one >there I would have loved to go to another one at this >venue. >See you guys at serenity. I'll be the one in White. >Jamie Star > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68241-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 03:57:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53532 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 03:57:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53521 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 03:57:12 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c1082c$5c420ba0$fbd0fea9@foothill.net> From: "`black-locust'" To: "Mail List (us-junglist)" , "Mail List (dnb arena)" Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:04:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C107F1.A548A9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NEW! drum n' bass mp3's avail. for download ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C107F1.A548A9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable there are seven new, full length, drum n' bass mp3's availaible for = download at www.black-locust.com, including entry's from jitsu and = bishop (with a tofu team-up), new stuff from ghetto tactics (billy lane = and pl-x tandem) and an older one from pl-x.. all tracks are high = quality and free, as it should be! check it if it suits ya'..=20 www.black-locust.com site currently under reconfiguration - latest additions - \ bishop - overdose \ bishop feat. lauren - xes \ bishop and tofu de la moore - whichcraft \ ghetto tactics - soldier strike \ ghetto tactics - tack-1 \ jitsu - quiz \ pl-x - last of this kind - also available - \ angelzero and pl-x - reach further \ pl-x - lush \ pl-x - prowler detect \ reason - feel me \ reason - knowledge \ reason - tranquility \ reason and bishop - aftermath \ slim n' tofu - black dreams \ slim n' tofu - ruthy \ tofu de la moore - central city sounds \ tofu de la moore - she knows \ tofu de la moore - wiccastep and regret more forthcoming..=20 along with site work and tricky shit! enjoy! ----\\ mattie c \\ `black-locust' drums n' bass \\ contact@black-locust.com \\ www.black-locust.com \\ AIM: blocustmattie \\ ICQ: 84768358 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C107F1.A548A9C0-- From sfraves-return-68242-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 04:56:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70107 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 04:56:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70088 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 04:56:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.81.51.246] From: "rashida= audioangel" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:55:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 04:55:57.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[46A1EF30:01C1076A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] {BSP} EKLEKTIC 2NITE KARL K/KAOS/4REAL/FTD/AUDIOANGEL Howdy Folks, please accept my invitation to tonights most fabulousness drum-n-bass event! :D EKLEKTIC THIS WEEK! KARL K vs KAOS and 4REAL ms. audio angel on vocalisticalness listen to KARL K's last set at EKLEKTIC http://www.versionk.com/ go to the MP3 Stream all love to all junglists in all places all the time! come say ello. EKLEKTIC/ HEKTIC Always On // Saturday // Cat Club 1190 Folsom Street @ 8th // SF 10pm-4am // 21+ // Sucka Free 2 Full Bars // 2 Main Dance Floors G R O U N D S C O R E http://www.groundscore.net SITE CHANGING EVERY DAY! G R O U N D S C O R E W E E K L Y N E T R A D I O http://www.groundscore.net/underscore/ Check the Drum & Bass & Breaks Archives! G R O U N D S C O R E M E S S A G E B O A R D http://www.groundscore.net/ -------------------------------------------------- E K L E K T I C // H E K T I C http://www.eklektic.net R E C E N T R E V I E W S / L I N K S T O P I C T U R E S http://www.fonem.org/photo/rm4 http://sfdance.org/images/rudemetal4.jpg http://www.junglist.com/final_files/corr/reviews/mar01/eklektic.htm http://www.sflnc.com/Pages/eklec20010319.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68243-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 05:27:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80884 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 05:27:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80874 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 05:27:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: Sameer Parekh cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] What's the problem with hiphop? On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Sameer Parekh wrote: -&e->I agree with your distinction that hip-hop is realistic and electronic -&e->dance music is not, but I would say it's far from all being -&e->idealistic/utopian. You should have realized that at the last urban -&e->wasteland at least! the techno, jungle, and electro I like is the -&e->dark, evil stuff. Not exactly happy & utopian sounds... And then of -&e->course there's hardcore, which fully brings out the pure evil side of -&e->electronic dance music. I'm actually not of the belief that most of that music is evil at all. I'd consider it more ecstatic. In fact, I think someone who plays something cheesy that they don't love to attract a crowd is far more evil. You get people playing less than trendy music, with a big grin on their faces cause they're seeing a crowd of freaks going off to their dark secret, that's not evil at all... it's all smiles and yelling and dancing. There has always been music that teeters on the brink of joy and pain. Blues, jungle, dub/reggae, spirituals, tribal ritual, jazz and many other forms of music are all about busting loose after paying your dues. Techno to me is celebration, the application of rhythm to whatever is going on in our heads and hearts. You fill in the blanks with your own experience. That's why it's personal, and that's why I love it. Listening to minimal techno has taught me to listen for the voices in everything. Gotta go, the coffee pot is reminding me to water the lawn... andyw you've got to dance, all the frequencies are there - justin berkovi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68244-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 11:35:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78741 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 11:35:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78731 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 11:35:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010708113516.22662.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 04:35:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: jamie@craveparties.com, F 8 , Pual CHOCO , sf raves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Serenity Review What a night. So much going on. We got there around 7. Dj Hex had already done his set. I was really looking forward to hearing him too. I haven't heard him spin since the last Serenity. But I caught a few tunes by Uphonic. Good seeing you again BTW. And Ghost spun some really dope ass shit tonight as well. I heard a few of my favorites, and thanks for throwing in that Axle F track, I love that one. Caught Richard Humpty Vision, and Thomas Trouble. But I was mainly in that main House room most of the night. The venue was great. I loved the upstairs bar area, Caught DJ Huey up there, had my Vodka Collins and then back to the dance floors downstairs. Danced my ass of with Ray Ray. Sorry to hear about you and your man, i can empathize with how you are feeling. Love you man. Walked through the maze they had set up. That was neat! It was required but not necessary to wear these 3-D glasses when you walk through there. That was a trip. I caught a few pictures of us in there. hee hee. Nice large smoking area outside with plenty of port-a-potties for those who did not want to wait in line to use the bathroom inside. A lot of ventilation IMO. O.k. it did get hot on some areas, especially if you are like me a dance pretty hard, but if you start to walk around you cool off really quickly. I'm not sure who it was but I think it was Richard humpty vision, n e ways during one of his songs they had the clip from groove of guy spinning the promo album, and the crowd is just eating it up (we have all seen the movie so you know what i am talking about), well was RHV spinning the track to that at the same time the clip was going on, let me know thanks. Saw a lot of my favorite people tonight, Ray Ray, Scottie, Charlie, Peanut, Catherine, Enrique, Tigger, Mari, Teresa from 1015, Laith, Travis, Vanessa, Amber, Dj Hex (you sexy thing), Cristof, Jamie from Crave, oh and Bruce (thought i would forget you?),if i did forgot anyone I'm sorry. Meet some new faces tonight as well, Julie from the list, DJ Marr, Mike and others I can't remember right now. Shwooo! O.k. so here is the upsetting part of the night. I read about everyones car being broken into so I am now paranoid to leave my car in the city. As I am standing outside talking to Jamie from Crave getting ready to leave, who comes rushing by me? None other them Thomas Trouble. Apparently someone hit his car, I am so sorry to hear it. But it gets me thinking, I wonder how my car is! I meet up with Reina and Lance on my way to my car and they laid it out for me. "Jamie your car got broken into." WTF!!! They, he/she, whoever only took a few of my CD's thank god. The ones that where given to me, the 33 by 120 mix, HARD NRG files vol 3, Ghost vs Hex, Morgan, Amber, and a few misc. others, but that's it. I love all the hidden compartments my car has to offer. So I am not too bummed about the whole thing, except for the fact that I need a new rear window, and a new spitfire sticker. Oh well it's not my bad karma! Still had fun regardless. So all in in I rate my evening as 75, minus 25 for my window and the four dollar water. but they let you refill it at the water fountain. hee hee. There that is my serenity, hope everyone else had a good time. I'll see you all at Focus. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68245-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 14:09:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93553 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 14:09:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93543 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 14:09:46 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 07:05:13 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Web Hosting Recommendations? if you don't need dialup or anything like that then HostGo is a decent choice for one of my clients, they have several packages starting from $10 per month. they don't have a phone number, they do everything via email, and have always gotten back to me within the hour. >can anyone recommend a good web host? i need at 300MB to start with, >mostly to hold mp3 mixes or real audio. > >thanks! >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68246-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 14:13:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95934 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 14:13:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95922 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 14:13:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 07:09:50 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd: [NWR] youngest dj! >Mailing-List: contact nw-raves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list nw-raves@hyperreal.org >X-Originating-IP: [24.4.255.72] >From: "rawbin" >To: nw-raves@hyperreal.org >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:03:37 -0000 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 22:03:37.0895 (UTC)=20 >FILETIME=3D[AC9E1370:01C10730] >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >Subject: [NWR] youngest dj! >Status: U > >whoa if this is really true this is pretty cool... > >http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/record_catagories/recordhome.asp?=20 >recordID=3D54554 >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68247-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 17:37:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49873 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 17:37:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49859 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 17:37:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:34:09 -0700 From: Jinnes To: The_List Message-id: <001101c107d4$32385ba0$4714ca3f@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C10799.85B050C0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] *SERENITY REVIEW* ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C10799.85B050C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good Morning all!! So, ok, I'm usually just lurking around the list and I never respond or = post anything BUT I had to give a little shout out about SERENITY(be = prepared I'm long winded *LOL*). Wow, I had a really fabulous time, the = music just kept me moving all night. So we didn't get there until about = 9ish b/c my friends worked late and once we got there we had some online = ticket issues(ugh!) BUT Yarrow was so awesome, totally helpful and once = I talked to him it was all fine! So thank you SOOO much for your help! = Once we got in I went by myself over to the jungle area where Vixen(i = think) was spinning but unfortunately the power went our (grrrr!!) so i = walked over to the house room and BAM power goes out, well I was getting = bummed(cuz my whole day and night had been rather bad to start off with) = but as soon as it went back on I went up front to catch the rest of = Joey's set and DAMN from then on I didn't stop dancing, and BTW thanks = SO much for the tape Joey it's awesome! So there I am standing up at the = decks at the end of Joey's set and RHV comes on, *OMG* *WOW* I really = can't say much more if you were there you know what I'm talking about, = the whole room was just crazy. I probably stood up front for a good half = of his set then I went back and founds some of my friends to dance with = and met some new people too. Though towards the end I was itching for = some Jungle/D'n'B so I walked over to the area and DAMN am I glad I did, = Frank Nitty was on spinning some wicked old school, my friend was up = there dancing up a storn so I had to join her. WOW, Frank rocked, and at = the end of his set hooked us up with some free CD's, *yay* So after that = I didn't think the music could get any better but was I wrong, at around = 12ish NOSTRUM went on and I thought I had died and gone to heaven, some = really beautiful stuff, I was really excited, cuz though I'm not much = into trance I thought his set was incredible. So all in all I have to = say SERENITY was really great, it was just continuously good music one = dj after the other. Thank You Mystical Mayhem. *phew* ok I'm done. hehe. = Jenn ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C10799.85B050C0-- From sfraves-return-68248-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 17:52:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55686 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 17:52:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55676 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 17:52:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:51:54 -0700 Message-Id: <200107081751.KAA00575@mail16.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.20.226.66] From: "Goa Graver" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Attn: who has the room for rent on Silver ave (mission) Paging the guy with two rooms for rent in a house music/dj house hold. I remember your posts but not your name. Please respond to me personally. Or if anyone remembers who it was lemme know. :) "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed is here in my arms.... Words are very unnecessary, they can only do harm." Depeche Mode, Enjoy the Silence ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68249-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 17:59:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60703 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 17:59:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60692 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 17:59:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20010708175918.40864.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: DJ CHOCO , F 8 , sf raves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: My friday night What was going on, on Friday again? teehee j/k. glad you had a good time. Do you happen to have a line up prepared or is EVERYTHING going to be a surprise for me. Can't wait to see the location. All I know is there better be a truck load of red bull for me. Jamie Star --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > hey hey hey, whats up... > > ya, friday night was a blast. after hearing the > voice mail for plastic > fantastic...i was bummed that it was cancelled...i > thought that the night > was gonna end right there. hah, luckily i checked > my email earlier that day > and caught a posting on inntense...so we were off. > we were on a journey > again to whereever we were going. my trustee > sidekick jamie, got us there > in a quickie...its amazing how this gurl KnOWs where > everything is...cool > deal. i met up with cocoa along with her friends. > sucks, she left already > for LA...wont be back until august. anyways, ya, > Denise's set rocked again. > Eric Brown was dope! it was my first time seein > him spin...(the one before > D's set). Being sober all night as usual, i felt > pretty tired, those red > bulls wore off quik...so i just chilled and sat down > outside, and then back > in to the building. hmm... > > yo jamie, i cant believe we pulled this night off. > thanks again. =) i cant > wait till next friday...hah! till then, keep in > touch...peace! > > -choco > > > >From: Jamie Murray > >To: Pual CHOCO , sf raves > > >Subject: My friday night > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT) > > > >What up Kids, > > > >O.k. we ended up not going to tigger's party > because > >we had found out that it got busted so we decided > to > >check out this other party in Cotati. Before we > headed > >out Paul (DJ CHOCO) and I stopped at a local > mini-mart > >to get our dose of red bull. Thank god I bought > three > >of them. > >So we get to the venue "the Inn at the Beginning". > >nice little place. Unfortunately it is changing > >ownership very soon, so they threw once last party > >there. The place is kinda small but has three > >seperate rooms and the music is heard through out > the > >whole venue, and a pretty large patio outside to > smoke > >and cool off. > >The Vibe? I'm a little undecided about the vibe. I > >felt a little out of place there, one being sober, > >there seemed to me to be a lot of pill poppers at > this > >one (or maybe just the majority of the people i met > >where). But I meet a lot of new people and had > some > >pretty great conversations. Evan, Laith (if you > meet > >me at Bay St. on thursday we can hit up Ascensions > >together), Cocoa, Mango, Nicole, Curly, CJ, and a > few > >other people that I didn't introduce myself to but > had > >some funny conversations with none the less. > >We got there right before DJ D got on deck. Always > a > >blessing to hear her. Stevie B threw down some > funky > >tunes too. I had to dance a little to his set. It > >was difficult for me to dance because of the skirt > i > >was wearing but I wore the skirt so I wouldn't be > >tempted to dance. I just had my tattoo on my > stomach > >worked on that same day and didn't want anything to > >irritate it. Can't remember who came on after him > >something Spars, and I finally got to hear MODA. I > was > >ready to leave around 4:30 so around 5:30 I went > >outside to smoke and ran to get the last red bull. > we > >ended up leaving at 6:30-7:00. Such a long night. > >Over all a good party. To bad it was the last one > >there I would have loved to go to another one at > this > >venue. > >See you guys at serenity. I'll be the one in > White. > >Jamie Star > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68250-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 19:13:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87186 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 19:13:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87159 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 19:13:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010708191247.22543.qmail@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: " irwin" To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 03:12:44 +0800 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] wussup wussup my kiddos Hey kidds, just seeing whuts up with my favorite people online....writing this post because its probly the last im making for a while....so yeah, im gonna try to sound the least pathetic as possible but my lifes gone to shit, and i want you all to learn from it....be good, make the right choices, and be true to your heart. My car's engine has been blown to peices, my dads kicked me out, and my best friend just ditched me for a guy shes known for less than a week and a half. theres about 80% more shit thats happened but all unaavoidable drama ive unfortunatly been involuntary and unfaultingly exposed to. You may think to yourself...."damn, he sounds like he deserved it..." or something similar, but you know what, if you know me personnaly enough, you know im a a good person who deals with a lot of shit that i solve very calmly and amazingly when it happens. so heres the point people, make sure your life is together, bad things do happen to good people. it really does....so shapen up and party responsably....so ok folks, wish me luck, im all on my own....LOVE YOU GUYS SO MUCH, thanks for having me and putting up with me on the list!!!! and always remember to Dance, Live, Love, Listen, forever and BEYOND. best of life to all, JOwy the kandy kidd my e-mail from now on, "JowyJadedKandyKid@iloveraving.com" -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68251-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 19:37:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95723 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 19:37:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95702 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 19:37:08 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c107e5$f08a8680$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:39:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C107AB.1993C040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Series 7 the movie ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C107AB.1993C040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anybody up for the *Real* Survivor? http://www.series7movie.com/ -B "If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with = a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to = inform their discretion by education" - Thomas Jefferson=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C107AB.1993C040-- From sfraves-return-68252-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 20:16:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11964 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 20:16:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11954 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 20:16:27 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c107ea$55e1fd20$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: ".aryck." To: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:12:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C107AF.A8A8F1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr: I changed my emails ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C107AF.A8A8F1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 just like letting yall know. . .=20 sometimes techs just out of nowhere fix something you've been = waiting for them to fix for MONTHS !!! I don't even think they charged = me ? (hope I didn't seem mean hehe). . .=20 : ) take care aryck ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C107AF.A8A8F1C0-- From sfraves-return-68253-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 20:26:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19688 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 20:26:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19672 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 20:26:10 -0000 From: Megatron45@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:25:57 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e2.17377f25.287a1bd5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Jungle Soundclash @ Sno Drift: the results --part1_e2.17377f25.287a1bd5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey if anyone missed it last tuesday nite, July 3rd 2001, well the party went a lil someting like this. the contenders were Hak, Satori One, Ivry, Megatron, Method One and Kaos(in that order). Rinse and Karl K had to cancel at the last minute so they didnt make it. DJ Foo! opened up the show with some nice lil rollers in the begining and warming up the crowd for what was yet to come. in the end the top 3 people in the soundclash and for those who dont know it went like this: 3rd place-Method One 2nd place-Ivry 1st place-Megatron so yeah once again i was able to win another battle. big up to all the djs who represented and to the crowd who was feelin it that nite. peace out. thaMEGA --part1_e2.17377f25.287a1bd5_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68254-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 20:30:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23067 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 20:30:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23055 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 20:30:46 -0000 Message-Id: <200107082030.f68KUEm70794@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@mail.napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:29:01 -0500 To: SILVIU , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi In-Reply-To: <20010707040133.81214.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Geri Dahl, what are you saying ?? was/ RE: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr I'm sick of this two posts!!! god, are so you stupid to know what to read and how to interperet the english typing that is set before you by her?? good day! Levi o ya..plur too!*) At 09:01 PM 7/6/01 -0700, you wrote: >I'm dying to know too... > >People who are intrigued by what Geri Dahl is talking >about : > >1) Brook Yu >2) SILVIU > >keep it goin, folks ;)...... > > >--- Brook Yu thoughtfully asked: >> geri... >> >> your posts continue to intrigue me. >> >> what the hell are you talking about? (not just this >> post...but ALL of your >> posts!) >> >> - brook >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Geri Dahl [mailto:eeelips@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:19 PM >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Subject: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave >> scene! nrr >> >> >> i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. >> i >> mean, need i say more? could i please share my >> finest >> works for millions and millions of dollars to >> perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air >> of financial security for all of those who despise >> yet >> seek to provide creature comforts and something >> beyond >> pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than >> poison >> myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more >> economical and it tastes better. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68255-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 20:37:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25543 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 20:37:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25529 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 20:37:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:35:15 -0700 Message-Id: <200107082035.NAA03605@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.27.182.42] From: "Stephanie Bitters" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, JunglistsUnite@listbot.com, kimberlycx@yahoo.com, curiosit_e@hotmail.com, shaunweb@pacbell.net, summer@saturn5.com, echopod@earthlink.net, julessaysketch@aol.com, duh@ffwd.cx, ianmcdonelle@flashflyer.net X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP.COMPRESSION. 7/8 .COMPRESSION. >It's Julia "Pop Queen" Chan's birthday! Come sing with us! HIPPO BIRDY DRULIA, you are growing up so fast! > >Karl K - PHILLY/KOLDFRONT.. > >Ivry - Compound Records/ "Hey Baby I'm a DJ".. > >GAMMARAY.. > >Tesai.. > >.COMPRESSION. is every Sunday: An Sabin @ 1176 Sutter & Polk. SF. 10pm-2am. Small venue, big talent. > >>>Keep an ear out for the one and only DJ/Producer JOHN B in the house next Sunday (7/15). Thank You BUH BYE. ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68256-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 20:48:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29433 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 20:48:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29421 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 20:48:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:35:12 -0700 (PDT) From: brian To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Chicago Scene? Hello boys n' girls, It looks like after a very happy year in SF, I have to leave the city and the scene for colder pastures, i.e. Chicago. I figured since everybody on this list seems so in tune, somebody must know something about the Chicago scene. Can anybody hook me up with listserves, info lines, contacts, or even the names of some decent clubs in the area? I'll be in the downtown. Thanks to everybody who made the SF scene such a great place to be. I'll be here another month, perhaps I'll see some of you around! -=Expiscor=- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68257-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 20:53:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32893 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 20:53:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32876 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 20:53:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.12.87.3] Reply-To: waynerad2@hotmail.com From: "Wayne Rad" To: eeelips@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:53:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 20:53:02.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA769C60:01C107EF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr A friend of mine in college did an advertising campaign for Pop-Tarts as part of her marketing class. We were eating Pop-Tarts all the time, until we got sick of them. Such disgusting little suckers aren't they. -------- >From: Geri Dahl >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:18:43 -0700 (PDT) > >i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. i >mean, need i say more? could i please share my finest >works for millions and millions of dollars to >perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air >of financial security for all of those who despise yet >seek to provide creature comforts and something beyond >pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than poison >myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more >economical and it tastes better. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68258-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 22:07:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59664 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 22:07:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59646 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 22:07:12 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 15:06:46 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107082030.f68KUEm70794@napanet.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Geri Dahl, what are you saying ?? last night i rode a bus with mohawk man who stared at me oh why won't all you realize how hard it is to wear the sequins of a profound talent... tight but not tight enough if you know what i mean... your welcome to think of me... i know you do... don't you? i have lipstick on: its the celery flavored kind, very natural and chic like me...but it looks a kind of mauve not green... i chose it to tell a story... people beg me for my secret when i wear certain special cosmetics... and i know all my colors and numbers... look at me no don't look at me, im going to play my tuba now. http://www.sci.tamucc.edu/~pmichaud/toast/ > From: Levi > Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:29:01 -0500 > To: SILVIU , sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Geri Dahl, what are you saying ?? was/ RE: [sfraves] > finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr > > I'm sick of this two posts!!! god, are so you stupid to know what to read > and how to interperet the english typing that is set before you by her?? > good day! > Levi > o ya..plur too!*) > > At 09:01 PM 7/6/01 -0700, you wrote: >> I'm dying to know too... >> >> People who are intrigued by what Geri Dahl is talking >> about : >> >> 1) Brook Yu >> 2) SILVIU >> >> keep it goin, folks ;)...... >> >> >> --- Brook Yu thoughtfully asked: >>> geri... >>> >>> your posts continue to intrigue me. >>> >>> what the hell are you talking about? (not just this >>> post...but ALL of your >>> posts!) >>> >>> - brook >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Geri Dahl [mailto:eeelips@yahoo.com] >>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:19 PM >>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave >>> scene! nrr >>> >>> >>> i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. >>> i >>> mean, need i say more? could i please share my >>> finest >>> works for millions and millions of dollars to >>> perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air >>> of financial security for all of those who despise >>> yet >>> seek to provide creature comforts and something >>> beyond >>> pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than >>> poison >>> myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more >>> economical and it tastes better. >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >>> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68259-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 22:15:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64567 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 22:15:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64504 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 22:15:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:15:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010708004856.7953.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Come Unity? Come Unity!! Yes I would agree it was all in all a good event. Although as always i got gripes:P The Dj's up stairs were very good and flawlesss as always, but the deep house was not gettin my body movin on a friday night at a club. some times I was like, Is this sunday afternoon? Are we on a beach? IMO Deep house has it's place, but not for me on a friday night. This would have been just fine with me since there was 2 other sound systems at the club. You know don't complain just go to another room; however, the dj's that I heard on the other sound systems technically were not doing a very good job at the decks. the music was gettin me going, but I got frustrated when after 3 dj's on the smaller system outside, I hadn't heard ONE good mix from the 3 dj's during my whole time on the dance floor. Come Unity has been around for along time and i'm sure they could get plenty of skilled Dj's that don't play deep house to play in the other rooms it just seemed like a bummer that they didn't put more effort into that area. Things I loved was the sound was good in all 3 areas, and they had really nice visual projections all over the place. Most of the time it was just still images, instead of video-which I really was diggin on. There is something to be said for just really cool pictures. Jahsh On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Dregaron Starlighter wrote: > Just wanted to drop a little line to say that this was > a really great party last night! It was everything I > knew it would be, everything I hoped it would be, and > then some. I hadn't been dancing in 3 weeks, and it > felt good to be out again. By the time it was over I > was beat down, unable to keep going, but unwilling to > quit! > > Many thanks go out to the people on the list that I > met last night: Knowmad, Doug Fraser, Apollo, and > mirage. You all made me feel at home, and I > appreciate it! Hope to see more of everyone in the > near future! > > Much love, > -Dreg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68260-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 22:19:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66869 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 22:19:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66858 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 22:19:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.36] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: brian@infosite.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 15:18:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 22:18:53.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8EA1280:01C107FB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Chicago Scene? Just coming back from chicago last week. I attended one rave out there and let's just say....its dead! It was seriously a high school dance in a town hall out in the middle of the ghetto. As far as the clubs go, defenitely check out crowbar on mon. nights. That is if your into house at all. Rednofive is another great club that has all sorts of music, from trance to techno to house of course. Also one of the only 18+ venues out in chicago, the metro has some great shows going on there. The week before i went out there, the metro had a showcase that included the advent - live, Surgeon, etc.... If you need any more info you can email me and i can get more info for you. I can also get contacts for you out there if you would like that also. Let me know. Peace, Aaron >From: brian >To: >Subject: [sfraves] Chicago Scene? >Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:35:12 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD12122400724004311CD18553160CA80; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:48:36 -0700 >Received: (qmail 29433 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 20:48:34 -0000 >Received: (qmail 29421 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 20:48:34 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-68256-aaronhdixon Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:49:24 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >Hello boys n' girls, > >It looks like after a very happy year in SF, I have to leave the city and >the scene for colder pastures, i.e. Chicago. I figured since everybody on >this list seems so in tune, somebody must know something about the Chicago >scene. Can anybody hook me up with listserves, info lines, contacts, or >even the names of some decent clubs in the area? I'll be in the downtown. > >Thanks to everybody who made the SF scene such a great place to be. I'll >be here another month, perhaps I'll see some of you around! > >-=Expiscor=- > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68261-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 22:40:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74527 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 22:40:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74517 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 22:40:28 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:39:27 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-198-206-82.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.206.82]; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:40:22 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP CANDY GARDEN THIS FRIDAY!!! An organic playground for bio-electric machinelles. Tickets are now on sale for 15 dollars for a limited presale (200), $20 regular pre-sale, and $25 door. You can get your presales at: Skills Dj Workshop (berkeley) Frequency 8 (san fran) The Clove (santa rosa- NO SERVICE FEE!) Harmonics (santa rosa) Subsonic Underground (sac) Lineup Just added: *Dj Spyhunter*, from HAWAII! And... Shaman Failure Simon Apex Telene Uphonic Elemental (DJ/VJ - live visual mixes) Iris Kid DJ DJ D Pistachio Anonymous More TBA this week! All ages till 4am 750 capacity. 200 free candi-coloured glo-stix Free coffee all night Tons of free candy (of course) Free energetic massages all night by certified professionals More free stuff TBA. This venue is one of the coolest we've seen, and not to be missed. .complete with cages and platforms to dance on and in, full concessions, raised DJ booth, giant outdoor smoking garden, plus amazing bluegreen art and props. Fully permitted and secured...make sure not be left out of this event!!! For this event we are not going to invest in 2 foot by 3 foot flyers, as we want the ravers who actually are more influenced by quality and vibe to come. Not SIMPLY flyer size (how boring). We want to invest in lazerz, lighting, beats, sound, the venue, and super cool props and flyers, AND give the rest away in FREE stuff...we just aren't size queens here at bluegreen, and are a little annoyed with this mentality where ONLY flyer size counts. Oh well...We'll get over it. We love you guys who still know what it's about. Come on out and have a great time. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68262-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 22:49:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78439 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 22:49:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78429 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 22:49:05 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:00:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] COME-UNITY AND FAMILY Last Friday's Come-Unity was another evening of soul-moving house music and soul-nourishing family vibes. I have given much thought to what makes a party really good. Why do some "old school" parties, like Come-Unity, consistently provide an enriching, unifying and often transformative experience for me and other dancers? I think there are three elements that work to create the Come-Unity vibe: 1. Family. I have often said that the concept of "family" is vital to keeping the authentic "rave" and underground dance scene more than just club-like dance events. Family means to me more than the narrowly defined demographic that most commercial promoters see as the primary EDM market: 18-23 year olds. "Raving" began over ten years ago and EDM has been around much longer. If dancing to EDM is more than another "youth culture" fad then there should be evidence that there are some folks who dance after college. The family that comprises the ten-year-old Come-Unity/Wicked communities truly cross generations. There are dancers and DJs here who have been in the rave community from the beginning. They are dedicated. For them dancing to EDM has become an integral part of their lives. It's in their blood. They are beyond fashion. When you get past your twenties it takes much more effort to get out and dance all night long. Jobs. Family responsibilities. "Adulthood." Yet this community of dancers makes the time to join in tribal celebration at least once a month. Some of these same dancers, in their thirties, forties, and even fifties walked down railroad tracks and climbed down cliffs at one in the morning to dance on the beach under a full moon to DJs who some have called "post-ravers." Hell, if these people aren't ravers, who is? For those of you who feel "jaded" by it all after a year or so, I say to you that perhaps you aren't experiencing the quality of vibe that motivates many dancers I know to keep on going 'till they drop. Family also means love. IMHO parties are best when the economic motive is secondary to the creation of a magical night. Come-Unity is a good example of this. In the early days Malachy and company were very generous with revenues from this party, funding charities and free events. After Malachy's accident, returning from a Wicked FMR, which left him paralyzed, we thought there would be no more CU. But that man, who I deeply admire and love, got the party back together and continues to produce extraordinary monthly events. Most of us who are long term CU dancers know that the party is a very important source of Malachy's income. Thus, many give freely of their time and talent to make it happen. Admission costs. I have always given double the amount when I buy my ticket. When Malachy sees us paying at the door he often tells them to let us in free, and we are on the guest list. I take the tickets and then when he leaves I go back and pay the fee. It never occurred to me that others would do this, but I met Chazz at Friday's party and he said he does the same. Just one example of family. Of what "raves" are really all about. Dancing and making music for the love, not the money. 2. Spirituality. Spirituality tends to get lost in the money-hustle that seems to define much of the commercial scene these days. But one thing I have always felt in the vibe at Come-Unity/Wicked events is a spiritual connection. Hard to define, but the symbols are there and the connection to the sixties kind of mystical dancing is stronger than at most parties. Perhaps it's a sort of Celtic pagan tribal spirituality underlying it all, but it is surely in the air. 3. Music. House music was the sound that brought the early rave scene together here. Tribal, primitive, soulful, sexual house music with the English acid overlay. Househeads are really some of the most accepting, non-discriminatory, open-minded and respectful dancers in the scene to my mind. The perfect party need not have house music, of course, but house dancers have a long history and have had the time to develop an extended family. I hope other elements of the EDM community dance long enough to do the same. Last Come-Unity was another magical evening for us. Dreg, who just moved to San Francisco from Arizona, made CU his first party in the Bay and I'm happy he shared his evening with us. Welcome to the family, Dreg. Talked to Leslie Ayres who was sweatin' to the house, as well as girlcat and tomcat from the list. DJ Howlin' Bob has become a regular. As I was talking to Doug Fraser about some rather serious philosophical matters out on the deck I heard and felt some, ahhh, beats that were calling for my body. Sorry, Doug, that I seemed to leave abruptly for the dancefloor but Garth had come on and he spun one of the most compelling sets I've heard from him in awhile. I think the whole Wicked crew has been rejuvenated by doing the FMRs again. Something moving the souls of these guys. The high point of the evening for me was when Garth segued into "This is house music." One could feel it coming, and when it hit the househead dancers cheered, waved their arms in the air, and danced wildly in unison. I mean, the floor was uncomfortably packed but everyone around me was so respectful. Not one elbow in the rib or even a bump from the others. Unity on the floor. I don't know how it happens, but when it does it is the best experience imaginable. Family, spirituality and music. Don't settle for less when you go dancing. Much love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68263-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 23:03:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90828 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 23:03:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90810 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 23:03:52 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:03:40 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: Jahsh CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010708230342.PEYM12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Come Unity? Come Unity!! ahhh jahsh. i was so happy to see you there - at an ongoing party that i've counted on for many years for my fix of deep progressive house and i love seeing the old-school faces who've come for years, and seeing new folks too. but you're griping that comunity is deep house?? that's what comeunity is -- always was, always will be. that's like griping that they play drum and bass at eklektic, or psy trance at thump. i did love the more downtempo grooves downstairs outside for a bit (not sure who was before cosmic jason, was it jonah sharpe?). but i could live without any other rooms, as long as simon (whose set was totally right on friday), garth (especially garth) and jeno keep feeding me the music that my soul cannot resist. so your gripe is that comeunity is... comeunity. that's what the music is about there. it's why people come back, to hear dependable deep house. the visuals really were great, i agree, weren't they? i guess my point is -- welcome to comeunity -- deep house has its place and it's at comeunity. whether it's wednesdays as it was for so long, or on fridays. love, leslie ---------- >From: Jahsh >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Come Unity? Come Unity!! >Date: Sun, Jul 8, 2001, 3:15 PM > >Yes I would agree it was all in all a good event. Although as always i got >gripes:P > > The Dj's up stairs were very good and flawlesss as always, but the deep >house was not gettin my body movin on a friday night at a club. some times >I was like, Is this sunday afternoon? Are we on a beach? IMO Deep house >has it's place, but not for me on a friday night. > > This would have been just fine with me since there was 2 other sound >systems at the club. You know don't complain just go to another >room; however, the dj's that I heard on the other sound systems >technically were not doing a very good job at the decks. the music was >gettin me going, but I got frustrated when after 3 dj's on the smaller >system outside, I hadn't heard ONE good mix from the 3 dj's during my >whole time on the dance floor. Come Unity has been around for along time >and i'm sure they could get plenty of skilled Dj's that don't play deep >house to play in the other rooms it just seemed like a bummer that they >didn't put more effort into that area. > > Things I loved was the sound was good in all 3 areas, and they had really >nice visual projections all over the place. Most of the time it was just >still images, instead of video-which I really was diggin on. There is >something to be said for just really cool pictures. > > Jahsh > >On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Dregaron Starlighter wrote: > >> Just wanted to drop a little line to say that this was >> a really great party last night! It was everything I >> knew it would be, everything I hoped it would be, and >> then some. I hadn't been dancing in 3 weeks, and it >> felt good to be out again. By the time it was over I >> was beat down, unable to keep going, but unwilling to >> quit! >> >> Many thanks go out to the people on the list that I >> met last night: Knowmad, Doug Fraser, Apollo, and >> mirage. You all made me feel at home, and I >> appreciate it! Hope to see more of everyone in the >> near future! >> >> Much love, >> -Dreg >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68264-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 08 23:06:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92442 invoked by uid 1104); 8 Jul 2001 23:06:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92431 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 23:06:43 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:06:32 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010708230634.PICR12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] COME-UNITY AND FAMILY perfect, apollo! leslie ---------- >From: "Apollo" >To: >Subject: [sfraves] COME-UNITY AND FAMILY >Date: Sun, Jul 8, 2001, 4:00 PM > >Last Friday's Come-Unity was another evening of soul-moving house music and >soul-nourishing family vibes. > >I have given much thought to what makes a party really good. Why do some >"old school" parties, like Come-Unity, consistently provide an enriching, >unifying and often transformative experience for me and other dancers? I >think there are three elements that work to create the Come-Unity vibe: > >1. Family. I have often said that the concept of "family" is vital to >keeping the authentic "rave" and underground dance scene more than just >club-like dance events. > >Family means to me more than the narrowly defined demographic that most >commercial promoters see as the primary EDM market: 18-23 year olds. >"Raving" began over ten years ago and EDM has been around much longer. If >dancing to EDM is more than another "youth culture" fad then there should be >evidence that there are some folks who dance after college. > >The family that comprises the ten-year-old Come-Unity/Wicked communities >truly cross generations. There are dancers and DJs here who have been in >the rave community from the beginning. They are dedicated. For them >dancing to EDM has become an integral part of their lives. It's in their >blood. They are beyond fashion. When you get past your twenties it takes >much more effort to get out and dance all night long. Jobs. Family >responsibilities. "Adulthood." Yet this community of dancers makes the >time to join in tribal celebration at least once a month. Some of these >same dancers, in their thirties, forties, and even fifties walked down >railroad tracks and climbed down cliffs at one in the morning to dance on >the beach under a full moon to DJs who some have called "post-ravers." >Hell, if these people aren't ravers, who is? For those of you who feel >"jaded" by it all after a year or so, I say to you that perhaps you aren't >experiencing the quality of vibe that motivates many dancers I know to keep >on going 'till they drop. > >Family also means love. IMHO parties are best when the economic motive is >secondary to the creation of a magical night. Come-Unity is a good example >of this. In the early days Malachy and company were very generous with >revenues from this party, funding charities and free events. After >Malachy's accident, returning from a Wicked FMR, which left him paralyzed, >we thought there would be no more CU. But that man, who I deeply admire and >love, got the party back together and continues to produce extraordinary >monthly events. Most of us who are long term CU dancers know that the party >is a very important source of Malachy's income. Thus, many give freely of >their time and talent to make it happen. Admission costs. I have always >given double the amount when I buy my ticket. When Malachy sees us paying >at the door he often tells them to let us in free, and we are on the guest >list. I take the tickets and then when he leaves I go back and pay the fee. >It never occurred to me that others would do this, but I met Chazz at >Friday's party and he said he does the same. Just one example of family. >Of what "raves" are really all about. Dancing and making music for the >love, not the money. > >2. Spirituality. Spirituality tends to get lost in the money-hustle that >seems to define much of the commercial scene these days. But one thing I >have always felt in the vibe at Come-Unity/Wicked events is a spiritual >connection. Hard to define, but the symbols are there and the connection to >the sixties kind of mystical dancing is stronger than at most parties. >Perhaps it's a sort of Celtic pagan tribal spirituality underlying it all, >but it is surely in the air. > >3. Music. House music was the sound that brought the early rave scene >together here. Tribal, primitive, soulful, sexual house music with the >English acid overlay. Househeads are really some of the most accepting, >non-discriminatory, open-minded and respectful dancers in the scene to my >mind. The perfect party need not have house music, of course, but house >dancers have a long history and have had the time to develop an extended >family. I hope other elements of the EDM community dance long enough to do >the same. > >Last Come-Unity was another magical evening for us. Dreg, who just moved to >San Francisco from Arizona, made CU his first party in the Bay and I'm happy >he shared his evening with us. Welcome to the family, Dreg. Talked to >Leslie Ayres who was sweatin' to the house, as well as girlcat and tomcat >from the list. DJ Howlin' Bob has become a regular. > >As I was talking to Doug Fraser about some rather serious philosophical >matters out on the deck I heard and felt some, ahhh, beats that were calling >for my body. Sorry, Doug, that I seemed to leave abruptly for the >dancefloor but Garth had come on and he spun one of the most compelling sets >I've heard from him in awhile. I think the whole Wicked crew has been >rejuvenated by doing the FMRs again. Something moving the souls of these >guys. The high point of the evening for me was when Garth segued into "This >is house music." One could feel it coming, and when it hit the househead >dancers cheered, waved their arms in the air, and danced wildly in unison. >I mean, the floor was uncomfortably packed but everyone around me was so >respectful. Not one elbow in the rib or even a bump from the others. Unity >on the floor. I don't know how it happens, but when it does it is the best >experience imaginable. > >Family, spirituality and music. Don't settle for less when you go dancing. > >Much love, > >Apollo > > > > > > > > >"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." > >- Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory > > >"Spend money on experience, not on goods." > >- Ben, Burningman 2000 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68265-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 00:51:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33024 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 00:51:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33006 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 00:51:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.153] From: "Luis Solis" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, scr@socal-raves.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:51:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 00:51:25.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[47C0ABC0:01C10811] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Paging Victoria from Chicago Hey Whats up you called me last friday I believe, email me me at onelve101@aol.com when yuo have a chance. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68266-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 01:28:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46482 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 01:28:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46472 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 01:28:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709012835.16778.qmail@web13208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Team Tigger To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Plastic Fantastic Ok, now that I have had a chance to sleep, and catch up on everything, I have a few things to say. Friday night was one of the worst nights of my life. Just so everyone knows what happened, here is the story on Plastic Fantastic. First, we had to start the party just over an hour later than we wanted to, since both sound systems got stuck in traffic on 580, and didnt get there till 5 min before we were to start. I must give props to the Cosmic Beats crew for being able to set up in like 30 min. Very nice. At just after 10, we had 6 cop cars show up at the party. Oh, by the way, it was in Livermore...any of you who have been there know where it is. And, yes I said 6 cop cars. As far as we knew concening permits and everything, we were ok...thats why we went to the extra measure of hiring 6 private security guards for the party also. The first cop I talked to, was having a very very bad night. Kim tried her best to calm him down, and I went looking for paperwork. When I came back, I was trying to explain to him about the security and how it was my birthday, and his exact comment was... "Permit or no permit, we dont allow these fucking "rave" parties in our town of Livermore. We dont need our kids on drugs, at these things. Livermore is a small town and we dont need this shit." Those are exact words. Ask Kim or Suzanna...they were right there. Oh, and the bottle of Vodka that they "found" on someone didnt help. Eventualy the Sergent showed up, and talked to me for a while by myself. I have to say that I was really impressed by him. After the party got shut down, and most of the people had left, he said that we could keep the staff there, and have a small "birthday party" upstairs. So, we had maybe 25 or 30 people, and like 6 DJ's to spin. He said we had to be out by one, and that he didnt want to see anyone outside, or any new people, or he would be back, and would write up a report. And, an interesting side note, that first cop who showed up, right before the sergent showed up was about to take me away in handcuffs, because I was throwing a "rave". So, we had alot of my best friends there for a little bit after the cops left...there was some good music, and great people. The party ended the way I wanted it to, on System F's Out Of The Blue, although it may have been earlier that expected and with wayyyy less people. We have already had someone come forward with money for a makeup party, and a good one...not one of those beach party ones either...that should be in the next 3 or 4 weeks. Any of you who know me well, just know that I wanted to have a good birthday party, and have fun doing it...thats why I picked Livermore, because that used to be one of the safer venues. Anyone who was planning on using the Livermore venue should seriously reconsider...the sergent said that that venue is known now and they are after whoever thows parties there. I just didnt know this beforehand. This whole thing may have been longwinded, and kinda confusing, but trust me, thats the way the night went. For anyone who cares, I apoligize for any inconvience...please dont have any bad feelings...most of you know that all I ever strive to do is make people happy. Thank you to everyone who stayed, and turned a horrible night into a good night...its nice to know you have really great friends. Ok, I am done talking. I think I might need to take next weekend off. If anyone has any questions, please email me privatly. Take care everyone. Luv, Tigger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68267-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 01:50:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53967 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 01:50:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53957 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 01:50:04 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:49:42 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010709014944.VDKS12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Plastic Fantastic wow. that is both upsetting and infuriating. tigger, do you live in livermore? did you have permits issued by the city (or whoever their permitting authority is) to hold an event. and i suggest that the others who witnessed this behavior from the police officer, including profane language and his description of what he thinks raves are, document it -- write it down for the record. then, it's time for a little research. part of the reason that small-town police think raves are drug fests is because they are trained that way -- there are websites and training meetings that tell them that all raves are about drugs, and they have no other point of reference. find out the real laws in livermore. and if you had legal permits, then you have a legal right to protest this treatment. one of the reasons that authorities get away with shutting down events that would be allowed to go on, were the music not "rave" music, is that people dont' speak up and protest. we have certain rights as citizens. and at this point, unless there's some new law on the books that i don't know about, it is not legal for police to take it upon themselves to decide on the nature of an event and shut it down like that. if you'd like to talk to me personally about it, let me know, send me your phone number. and... folks who are checking email, tonight on thump radio /kusf from 8:30 until 9:00, i'll be on with another sflnc member to talk about the pending legislation in sf that would get rid of the dance hall keepers permit. leslie ---------- >From: Team Tigger >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Plastic Fantastic >Date: Sun, Jul 8, 2001, 6:28 PM > >Ok, now that I have had a chance to sleep, and catch >up on everything, I have a few things to say. Friday >night was one of the worst nights of my life. Just so >everyone knows what happened, here is the story on >Plastic Fantastic. First, we had to start the party >just over an hour later than we wanted to, since both >sound systems got stuck in traffic on 580, and didnt >get there till 5 min before we were to start. I must >give props to the Cosmic Beats crew for being able to >set up in like 30 min. Very nice. At just after 10, >we had 6 cop cars show up at the party. Oh, by the >way, it was in Livermore...any of you who have been >there know where it is. And, yes I said 6 cop cars. >As far as we knew concening permits and everything, we >were ok...thats why we went to the extra measure of >hiring 6 private security guards for the party also. >The first cop I talked to, was having a very very bad >night. Kim tried her best to calm him down, and I >went looking for paperwork. When I came back, I was >trying to explain to him about the security and how it >was my birthday, and his exact comment was... "Permit >or no permit, we dont allow these fucking "rave" >parties in our town of Livermore. We dont need our >kids on drugs, at these things. Livermore is a small >town and we dont need this shit." Those are exact >words. Ask Kim or Suzanna...they were right there. >Oh, and the bottle of Vodka that they "found" on >someone didnt help. Eventualy the Sergent showed up, >and talked to me for a while by myself. I have to say >that I was really impressed by him. After the party >got shut down, and most of the people had left, he >said that we could keep the staff there, and have a >small "birthday party" upstairs. So, we had maybe 25 >or 30 people, and like 6 DJ's to spin. He said we had >to be out by one, and that he didnt want to see anyone >outside, or any new people, or he would be back, and >would write up a report. And, an interesting side >note, that first cop who showed up, right before the >sergent showed up was about to take me away in >handcuffs, because I was throwing a "rave". So, we >had alot of my best friends there for a little bit >after the cops left...there was some good music, and >great people. The party ended the way I wanted it to, >on System F's Out Of The Blue, although it may have >been earlier that expected and with wayyyy less >people. We have already had someone come forward with >money for a makeup party, and a good one...not one of >those beach party ones either...that should be in the >next 3 or 4 weeks. Any of you who know me well, just >know that I wanted to have a good birthday party, and >have fun doing it...thats why I picked Livermore, >because that used to be one of the safer venues. >Anyone who was planning on using the Livermore venue >should seriously reconsider...the sergent said that >that venue is known now and they are after whoever >thows parties there. I just didnt know this >beforehand. This whole thing may have been >longwinded, and kinda confusing, but trust me, thats >the way the night went. For anyone who cares, I >apoligize for any inconvience...please dont have any >bad feelings...most of you know that all I ever strive >to do is make people happy. Thank you to everyone who >stayed, and turned a horrible night into a good >night...its nice to know you have really great >friends. Ok, I am done talking. I think I might need >to take next weekend off. If anyone has any >questions, please email me privatly. Take care >everyone. > > >Luv, >Tigger > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68268-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 02:07:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63737 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 02:07:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63726 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 02:07:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.202.51.131] From: "< mannix>" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, scr@socal-raves.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 22:07:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 02:07:23.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[E45CF100:01C1081B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] live webcast now! uk hardhouse w/ dj dabu BOSTON UNDERGROUND W/ MANNIX & LOCAL GUEST DJ'S SUNDAY 9:OOPM-10:30PM(EDT) (6:00pm-7:30pm west coast) LIVE ON WWW.RADIOBOSTON.COM ============================= This week Boston Underground welcomes: DJ DABU (D-Base / MunkiRench / Advanced D&D - www.masscommradio.com) Dabu will be spinning an energy filled set of uk hardhouse. - To listen, just log on to http://www.radioboston.com and click on channel one. There are a few dif. ways to connect depending on your connection speed, try the one that works best for you. As always, you can chat with us right from the RadioBoston realplayer screen, and send email to the studio at- ej@radioboston.com also send im's to aol screen name- maniks3 Peace, Mannix --------------------------------------------------------- Mike Connors / Mannix RadioBoston.com c/o eCity Radio Network 48 Grove Street, Suite 303, Somerville, MA 02144 http://www.radioboston.com The Definitive Source for the Music of Boston and New England EM: ejmannix@hotmail.com IM: maniks3 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68269-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 02:22:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72917 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 02:22:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72897 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 02:22:55 -0000 From: ClockworkEventz@aol.com Message-ID: <107.2477c59.287a6f74@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:22:44 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_107.2477c59.287a6f74_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Clockwork Eventz & Spundae presents Mekka SF~Labor Day Weekend~bsp --part1_107.2477c59.287a6f74_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clockwork Eventz & Spundae brings you... Mekka SF Electronic Music Festival Saturday Sept. 1, 2001 Labor Day Weekend San Francisco,CA Trance/Progressive: BT (Live) Deep Dish Tiesto Max Graham Dave Ralph Jimmy Van M Saeed & Palash House/Tech Doc Martin Mark Farina Derrick Carter DJ Dan Bad Boy Bill Hipp-E Halo The New Deal Ron Reeser D&B Grooverider LTJ Bukem DJ Rap Beta 01 MC Conrad MC GQ Hip Hop De La Soul Common Pharoahe Monch Talib Kweli Biz Markie Mix Master Mike DJ Craze + MORE TALENT TO COME!!! STAY TUNNED!! NOT TO BE MISSED!!! Tickets go on sale July 27th, 2001 at your local outlets... If you would like to help promote this event, or contribute in any way please call 408-535-8924 or email Jasen @ clockworkeventz@aol.com 24 hr event communication lines: 408-794-0131 415-721-4713 510-273-9317 916-930-1170 310-335-0303 --part1_107.2477c59.287a6f74_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68270-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 02:41:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79816 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 02:41:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79806 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 02:41:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.81.51.246] From: "rashida= audioangel" To: Megatron45@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:41:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 02:41:14.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F43F050:01C10820] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Jungle Soundclash @ Sno Drift: the results Yo BIG UP THA MEGA!!!!!! Reeeeespect to the MECHASOUL(JAH)! I was down in LA representing at Konkrete Jungle but i wish i could have seen you all! Congrats Mike on being truly one of the dopest djs in the BAY, hell in Cali! "Don't you stop it...Don't you stop...what ya doin'" Now is the time. With love! Rashida {audio angel flavored} >From: Megatron45@aol.com >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Jungle Soundclash @ Sno Drift: the results >Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:25:57 EDT > >hey >if anyone missed it last tuesday nite, July 3rd 2001, well the party went a >lil someting like this. the contenders were Hak, Satori One, Ivry, >Megatron, >Method One and Kaos(in that order). Rinse and Karl K had to cancel at the >last minute so they didnt make it. DJ Foo! opened up the show with some >nice >lil rollers in the begining and warming up the crowd for what was yet to >come. in the end the top 3 people in the soundclash and for those who dont >know it went like this: >3rd place-Method One >2nd place-Ivry >1st place-Megatron > >so yeah once again i was able to win another battle. big up to all the djs >who represented and to the crowd who was feelin it that nite. peace out. > >thaMEGA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68271-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 05:26:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41179 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 05:26:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41169 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 05:26:53 -0000 From: MoonChyld1@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 01:26:40 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e0.17338f8a.287a9a90_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] tina's return to the land of the living.... --part1_e0.17338f8a.287a9a90_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit comming soon to a mailbox near you.... so for those of you who remember, or care, or are just bored and decided to read this... i have cut back on my work hours and decided to reclaim my social life... which is where i need a little help... yes it has been that long that i no longer know what is going on in the scene..... so any info on must see events would be greatly appreciated, but remmeber i said i cut back on my hours, so i am once again a broke college student, and as much as i would love to see some of the talent comming through at these big massive parties, my walet won't support it.... so if you have the details on cool affordable things comming up, please kindly pass along the info love and hugs and kisses, tina --part1_e0.17338f8a.287a9a90_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68272-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 06:19:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61309 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 06:19:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61299 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 06:19:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.199.42] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 23:18:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 06:18:51.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[05A229C0:01C1083F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] << F O C U S >> (bsP) THIS FRIDAY july 13th Coming July 13th 2001....... Mindgames productions with a helping hand from NeuroScience Creations presents...... FOCUS MORGAN TELENE MICHAEL LIU ALIAS JUSTIN HALE BAZOOKA JOE KEITH EDWARDS LEON COOK CELSIUS BLAIR RAYGIN BROTHA REESE SYMPLEX PSYKORAL TYME PATRIK CRAZ-E ON-E TRANCEPIMP CHOCO EBER ENRINCO F. EINSTEIN ELEKTROLYTE vs. NEUROPSYNTIST we will be converting a prime piece of centrally located bay area real estate into a three room musical playground, with unlimited outdoor smoking space, and a handful of stimulating chill rooms. This is a never been used before, and never will be used again venue, so missing this event will leave you wondering what you missed. With NeuroScience Creations bringing all the sound in their arsenal, all three rooms will be bumpin. Together with multiple Lasers and a handful of mind blowing visuals, your senses will be stimulated. We are limiting the capacity to ensure enough space to sit, lay, and still have plenty of room to dance, even with the assortment of chairs and couches lining the walls in all three rooms. We are going all out to ensure that we use this opportunity to its fullest, and to bring you the best party we can while we are at it, and hopefully one of the best parties you will experience ever. So please come out and help us make this a night to remember, we promise we wont let you down........ this venue guaranteed not to relocate last minute, setup is already in progress.... multiple restrooms with running water and stocked toilet paper...... reasonably priced water, red bull, and candy..... plenty of free secured and patrolled parking provided.... multiple free giveaway's (CD's and tape's)....... 1,500 person capacity...... $15 pre-sales at: SOLID GROOVES (408)248.6399 - 2271 The Alameda, Santa Clara SKILLS DJ WORKSHOP (510)704.9876 - 2575 Telegraph Ave., Berkeley $20 at the door questions, comments or concerns 1(408)514-2600 x6583 (location information event evening only) or visit the link on our website www.nscreation.com another neuroscience creation _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68273-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 06:59:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73708 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 06:59:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73688 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 06:59:02 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 23:59:19 -0700 From: Dan Carr To: sfraves , sac raves , bay area happycore , f8 Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] :: BSP :: Happy Kids :: The LEGEND Continues... Only SIX more days till we blow the roof off of the mutha in celebration! Help us Celebrate 4 years of hugs, smiles, positive energy, and the highest vibe you've ever seen! Happy Kids presents: THE LEGEND CONTINUES... That's right! we're at it again! If you've been to any of our past parties, then you know that our parties aren't to be missed! And, this time we're going all out to deliver to you guys the funkiest party we've ever thrown! We're bringing together 25 DJs from around the country and the world to deliver a superb party! In The Palace of Pixies: ***AMOKALIPSE NOW 2001 WORLD TOUR*** featuring: CHRIS C and MADAM ZU These UK-Hardhouse/NRG superstar's are going be performing at LEGEND in the first ever joint bay area apperance! Dyloot (skills) Thee-o (Biohazzard-LA) DJ D (www.dj-d.com) Elias Smith (Happy Kids) Ian Vogel (Happy Kids) Impulse (Unity/Happy Kids) In the Sea Of Sorcery: STEVEN SACKS (deephouse.com/Atlanta, GA) Steven sacks is Atlanta's very own house superstar! When he's banging away at the decks, there's no way you can resist stompin' your feet! Spyhunter (spyhunter.com/liquidmercury/Hawaii's biggest trance/breaks star) Koris (Liquidmercury/Switzerland's hottest trance techno guru) Happy Kid Marty (Happy kids/Bay Area's funkiest house DJ) Fossil feat MC^2 (Illuminous Illuminati/Seattle's premiere Drum'n'bass/Jungle DJ/MC Combo) Greg Sandler (Harmony) Braq (Happy Kids) Mariposa (Happy Kids) DJ Chris (Happy Kids) In the Kingdom of Kandy: Paulina Taylor (H3/Hypersound) LA's very own happycore god is going to grace our party with more energy than you can handle! Spree (Sonicfury.net/Minneapolis,MN) Anthony Mad (Subsonic Underground/SAC) Cloudskipper (Sonicfury.net/SF) Valerie Sparks (Liquidvinyldjs.com/Supernova Recordings/Sac) Tronic *official record release for Resistance Records* Climaxxx (twenty1.crew.com/SF) Kid Cosmo (Happy Kids) $33 presales available at Skills, F8, Solid Grooves, Subsonic Underground, and harmonics! Get your tickets soon! Happy Kids Info: 415.262.0210 510.873.0210 This event will run all night long! We invite all responsible party goers to come and bring a high vibe! please respect each other and remember that you guys are the people who truly make our parties spectacular! see ya there smilin/connection through affection --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68274-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 08:36:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3671 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 08:36:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3599 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 08:36:28 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <015701c10851$efd6f5e0$0500000a@cryptowhore.org> From: "Nathan Seven" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 01:34:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SRR: I am done "With what?" I hear you ask... With another song. It's been a while. I started at 9pm, and was dusted by midnight. It's all live sequenced- ER-1, EA-1, A3k, DX200, Warp Factory for those who care :) I had something in my head, and set out to make it- Of course, I didn't get anything like what I was imagining But I think it's cool anyway: http://www.angelfire.com/vi/scosol/ (It's called "podium") A strange feeling comes over me when I listen to it... A feeling of complete loss of control :) -- "Educating the heads of eight lonely beggars..." LOOK: New email address! "scosol@yahoo.com" AIM: IMFDUP _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68275-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 10:13:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59009 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 10:13:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58997 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 10:13:25 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 03:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.31] Message-Id: <20010709101319.E05F9274E@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hmmmm.......Invasion There was this big food fest & total relative gathering here @ my pad for like my Lil’ sis & all that!! I’d say outta the 50 people I asked if they could make it, 3 showed up which was Dope!!! So Nic, Jon, & Mango make it here & after a lil’ eating & stuff, we head to Berk & decide to get tickets for Invasion. Hello 2Day! I so didn’t think I was gonna go, but it was something to do & I was kinda curious about this party. We go there & Hello 2Day… Security people were assholes! Big Time! It was so Lame!! Then got inside! I dunno, I was so not feelin’ the vibe! I mean, I totally went candy ‘cause when in Rome, right! But I dunno… I was so not feeling the vibe! I was totally diggin’ the Break Beats playin’ in the 1st room when we got in & then the other room was playin’ all this Melodic Trance. So I stayed in the 1st room tryin’ to get into it and danced! But man, carpet everywhere & it was so hard dancin’ on the carpet! I mean, I guess I was like totally unplurrie & shit ‘cause Security gave me a hard time & that killed a lot for me! Jon & Nic were kinda on the same level I was on & there was born “The Jaded Raver Crew”…LoL! What made it especially frustrating was that there were so many E Tards!! It was so sad!! Toooootally sad man! I mean, it was so annoying @ 1 point ‘cause a few of ‘em were all up over us & it was funny once in a while I guess! But Oh My Goodness! Then there was one point during the party when there was Melodic Trance playin’ in both rooms! I totally felt like I was in Hell @ that point. I was totally in a Jungle, Techno, Hardcore mood & I totally felt like the Foo Foo was killing me! Hello 2day, in both rooms! What is that? Oh my Gosh man! I think I even heard the same song play from both rooms at the same time! By this time, I did run into hella friends from other parties like Dave, Elizabeth, Carlos, Matt& a few others, oh yeah, Brandon @ Invibe was in the house & my being unplurrie really worried him he told me! Then there was one point in the party where us Jaded kids decided if we couldn’t beat them, join them! LOL… So we put on our best “I’m a mondo E tard” façade & hopped in puddles & talked to people! This was actually spirit lifting when I did this!!! OH man, & this was so much fun! LOL… 1st Nic & I went to diff puddles in the back of the venue. Then John joined us & we went to some more puddles! Surprisingly, more people showed up! 1st Larry & Erika showed up! Then outta the blue, Aaron, Jeff, Nat, & Brandon show up! It was trippy!! Jeff romps along w/ Nic, John, & I to play the puddle/etard game, & that was fun! I also found myself goin’ outside a lot 2 Bum ciggies since I couldn’t bring mine in ‘cause it was in a cig tin & that was an open container, la la la la! But I met the Coolest people outside! I did run into Zix who gave me a candy necklace! LoL Thank U Zix! =) Later on I met Raver Fox who is Sooo Dope! LoL! He had on this “Spank Me” Shirt & I did! LoL So our moods did prgressively get way better & I was FINALLY in the vibe! It was around this time when the music started soundin’ tasety! Kosis & Kid Carson did an excellent 2X4! I never heard Reckless Ryan & I have to say, I was totally diggin’ on his set! Of course DJ D did an Awesome Job! Spyhunter was Sick & he dis have Awesome conversation! OK, but Madame Mercury totally blew me away!! I dunno how many times I always talk about “Silence” by Delirium, but HELLO 2DAY, she spun the total Break Beats version of that song!!! Wow!! Then to top it off, during her set, she spun a Break Beats/ Hard House version of “Music” by Madonna! OH MY GOSH! It was also during this time when I did circle jus’ ‘cause that’s what took up most the room on the dance floor! So I go out there & did a few tricks! I kinda got dizzy ‘cause I did one to many turns! Eeeeks! But it was fun! LoL! So since I was riding home w/ Brandon, I had to get the stuff outta Nic’s car that the Security wouldn’t let me bring in. When I went back out, I fuckin’ bump into 2 people who I haven’t seen in like 4ever!!! Melanie & Rich Summer Hayes!! Hello 2Day! It was soooooooo Dope seein’ those 2!!! We talked 4ever!! I Love them!!! Wow! Oh yeah, unfortunatly, Joey Mazzola wasn’t there & I waS Kinda <3Broken about that! =( Oh man, I miss Joey! Well, I’ll see Homebooy Soon I hope! So Brandon , Therese (was that her name?), & I go home!! He was Happy that I got Happy! It actually turned out to be a fun party!! I’m actually glad I went!!! It’s always nice seein’ friends who I haven’t seen in a long time! Yay! OK, I’m gonna go scare rakoons now & throw rotten fruit @ them! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68276-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 14:36:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58217 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 14:36:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58207 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 14:36:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [149.136.222.72] From: "Hobbit ." To: acrostic@napanet.net, sachaven@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:35:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 14:35:45.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[706188B0:01C10884] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Geri Dahl, what are you saying ?? was/ RE: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr Damn, now THAT is a prime example of good "english typing" dude! >From: Levi >To: SILVIU , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Geri Dahl, what are you saying ?? was/ RE: >[sfraves] finance your hate in the rave scene! nrr >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:29:01 -0500 > >I'm sick of this two posts!!! god, are so you stupid to know what to read >and how to interperet the english typing that is set before you by her?? >good day! >Levi >o ya..plur too!*) > >At 09:01 PM 7/6/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I'm dying to know too... > > > >People who are intrigued by what Geri Dahl is talking > >about : > > > >1) Brook Yu > >2) SILVIU > > > >keep it goin, folks ;)...... > > > > > >--- Brook Yu thoughtfully asked: > >> geri... > >> > >> your posts continue to intrigue me. > >> > >> what the hell are you talking about? (not just this > >> post...but ALL of your > >> posts!) > >> > >> - brook > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Geri Dahl [mailto:eeelips@yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:19 PM > >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >> Subject: [sfraves] finance your hate in the rave > >> scene! nrr > >> > >> > >> i feel like going off, because it needs to be done. > >> i > >> mean, need i say more? could i please share my > >> finest > >> works for millions and millions of dollars to > >> perpetuate the cycle of hate and yet maintain an air > >> of financial security for all of those who despise > >> yet > >> seek to provide creature comforts and something > >> beyond > >> pop tart dining? i'd rather eat pop tarts than > >> poison > >> myself at a restaurant. it is a whole lot more > >> economical and it tastes better. > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68277-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 14:48:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71661 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 14:48:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71598 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 14:48:45 -0000 From: JonnyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:48:12 EDT To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf.8e54369.287b1e2c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Serenity review by John --part1_cf.8e54369.287b1e2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all ... Wanted to share a few thoughts about Serenity. I'd been looking forward to this party for a while becasue the first Serenity, 2 years ago, was my first really great, mind-blowing party. Unfortunately, I didn't call the info line early enough and found out it started at 6, so I missed some of my favorite DJs. Dang! Going into the Concourse, I said, "Omigod, what a great place for a party ... but where is the music?" All I could hear was muffled sound coming from the over-21 lounge, while the vast downstairs was completely quiet. I talked to Bicolas, who said there was some kind of amp limiter problem that kept cutting out the sound. My friend Ryan (who went to the last (awesome) Serenity in May at the Metreon, said that Mystical Mayhem is too big and experienced a group to have this sort of thing happen, and sure enough, the sound went back on and stayed on. Without the sound, it would have been seriously wack ... I mean, considering lots of ravers are under 18 and couldn't get into the party, for the over-18s to have to wander around the huge space with only muffled music from above just seemed to cut out too much of the raving crowd. If people are over 21 there are a lot more options so I hated to hear the music playing only for them. I was afraid that the main room was actually in the over-21 area, which would have been even more screwed, but once the music went back on I found that there were three rooms downstairs and it was fine. I thought the house room was especially bumpin', even though I prefer trance. Richard Humpty Vission really had the crowd going. Joey Mazzola, too. And yeah, lots of good music in the trance room, too. The jungle/breaks room was cool but I was bummed to miss Bicolas since he spun so early. I met a lot of really nice people who had come from all over for this party. And of course it was great to see all my friends. So, despite the rocky beginning, it turned out to be an awesome party, and I only wish I had called the info line earlier so I could have gotten there at the beginning to catch all the music. Yarrow: wonderful party. Thank you! Peace and love to everyone, John P.s. I don't have them sent over yet but I'm planning to get my pictures onto www.rave-dimension.com --part1_cf.8e54369.287b1e2c_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68278-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 14:52:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77143 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 14:52:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77124 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 14:52:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:53:59 -0700 From: dr_XeNo To: The Davis Family , SacRaves , SFRaves Cc: Tony Kalhagen , Paul Gordon Reply-to: drXeNo@drxeno.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_o6mETQ8MLFmGDesqOrbvPA)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA f. Tony Kalhagen & Paul Gordon 07.09.01 --Boundary_(ID_o6mETQ8MLFmGDesqOrbvPA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey Kidz... Hello there, fabulous ppl! Great news -- T-IE is now back every Monday nite. We'll continue to bring the best choons, but now we'll be doing every week, like before. As Jackie and Kassia have now moved onto to greater things in the UK, we'll now be following Kelleygroove and DJ Erupt's fantasmic electronic show, United State. We're still giving you 4 straight hours of dancin'! Alrite then. Tonite we have one of the final local performances of Tony Kalhagen. He's the founder of Ambient Love Lounge and Mindscape Recordings and a local and national ambient scenester. We're honored to be able to have him down for a proper KDVS and T-IE sendoff! You can also check him at Beautiful Universe. Paul Gordon is the house ladies man, always there to rock and always there to please. More house than you can shake a dread at! Stay chooned... ;-) *Let the Music Get You High* TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA 90.3FM KDVS, Davis CA Monday Nights 10pm - Midnite RealAudio Streaming RealAudio Streaming Archive of Last Show Download RealAudio Last Show Request Lines: 530.752.2777 530.752.2778 Tonite - Monday, July 9, 2001: Featuring: Tony Kalhagen/Ambient Love Lounge/Mindscape Recordings, Sac Paul Gordon/LiquidCafe/Merge TiX Giveaways: Beautiful Universe/LiquidCafe/Merge Area 51/Harmony Productions Ward Kadel <<>> drXeNo@drxeno.net www.drxeno.net Producer, TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA Monday nights, 10pm -Midnite on KDVS 90.3FM Davis, CA www.drxeno.net/tek/ IM: drXeNo6; ICQ: 18463830; IRC/EFNET: dr_XeNo; Yahoo! Msgr: dr_XeNo6 --Boundary_(ID_o6mETQ8MLFmGDesqOrbvPA)-- From sfraves-return-68279-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 15:26:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5120 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 15:26:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5108 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 15:26:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Mon) Put no trust in cryptic comments. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68280-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 16:06:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51799 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 16:06:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51789 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 16:06:18 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <005c01c1088f$839dffc0$271be9d1@kelly> From: "kryptyk" To: "Sfraves@Hyperreal.Org" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:55:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C10854.D71D9600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HALFLIFE - [tonight] - monday night drum and bass - an sibin - sf ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C10854.D71D9600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HALFLIFE monday night drum and bass in SF thanks to everyone who came out last week. the freebeats crew threw = down three diverse and highly-danceable sets -- we'll definitely be = having them back in the future.=20 this week (monday, 07/09/2k1) Jesse [san jose] Terrawrist [sf] Marcine [boston] Zigmund Void [halflife - sf] www.geocities.com/halflifesf 9:00-2am // $3 cover after 10 // 21+ an sibin -- 1176 sutter [x polk] -- sf besides, what else are you doing on monday night? ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C10854.D71D9600-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-68281-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 17:48:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30757 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 17:48:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30747 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 17:48:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709174810.42394.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: MEEHAWL MACRUAIRI , Sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010707212503.19849.qmail@nwcst294> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-933267079-994700890=:40835" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: [[sfraves] WHAT ARE SOME GOOD JUNGLE ALBUMS???] --0-933267079-994700890=:40835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently found some cool stuff on White House Records, with artists Bay B Kane, Kid Thunder. The sounds aren't as sweet as the jungle you may know, but you just can't beat Mortal Combat samples, plus it drives me mum mad! hehe Jess MEEHAWL MACRUAIRI wrote: w00dy wrote: > now i wanna start a jungle/dnb book so im just wondering what some of your opinions and choices for me to get some jungle albums, thanx everyone! Go right to the source: Guy Called Gerald's first two jungle albums: 28 Gun Bad Boy Black Secret Technology These are the jungle wellspring. Others may have different opinions, but for me most of what UK jungle was in the 1990s came from these two albums. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-933267079-994700890=:40835-- From sfraves-return-68282-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 18:01:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48207 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 18:01:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48195 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 18:01:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709180106.75897.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: girlcat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] come-unity last friday well, i made it out to come-unity last friday. a highlight was getting to meet apollo. had a pretty good time -i was in a really sour mood, so i didn't expect to have an amazing time, but the dancing was good for me. mission rock is nice, except the upstairs dance floor is very long and narrow -never did see the dj, who i was told was in the middle. at least it's a wood floor. people were very friendly. (and i got asked to dance! at a rave! how amusing!) sometimes people were aggressively friendly - "touch my girlfriend's face! it's so soft like a baby's ass!" uh, yeah, whatever. enjoyed what i heard of siobhan's set outside. i'm curious - does anyone know who was playing upstairs around 12:30 - 1:30 or so? i'm assuming it was jeno, because i really enjoyed it, but i'd like to be corrected if i'm wrong. unfortunately, i'm not really into deep house, but i do like progressive house/acid house, so at least there's a bit of that there for me. but The Girl ... (the divas, that is).... i need to avoid The Girl whenever possible 'cuz she grates on my nerves. i never was one for "The San Francisco Sound." but i do like come-unity for the vibe and the old-school feel, and, like i said, for the progressive house aspect. And to see Malachy. oh, and did i mention people were friendly? wish there were a monthly techno gathering w/ such a friendly vibe. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68283-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 18:02:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50111 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 18:02:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50101 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 18:02:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:01:33 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 18:01:34.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[30898400:01C108A1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Be Beautiful on Friday (BSP) Liquidcafe.com with yet another high octane production, leads the way to a... ~~ * BEAUTIFUL UNIVERSE * ~~ Friday July 13, 2001AD 9pm a merge production The Beautiful Line up and comments: http://www.liquidcafe.com/bu2.html {{{ MISSION CONTROL }}} Trance/Techno Dyloot (Skills, SF) Telene (Ear Candy, SF) Trace Evans (Neosundays,Sac) Dust (Wilderbeats/Stylus) Dj Daniel (Y.O.U. productions) Funksion (In Tha Mix) ((||)) CENTRIFUGE ((||)) Bangin' House/Deep House/Progressive House/Garage Ron Reeser aka Dj Rktech (Metropolis/Clockworkeventz, SF) Rick V (In Tha Mix Recordings, Clockworkeventz, Sac) Markus (Kickdrum Recordings, Sac) Jonathan Greathouse (Bump Tribe, Davis) Dennis (Selekta.com/Sagitariun, Sac) Paul Gordon (Liquidcafe.com, Sac) Dan Yoas (A Frame/Houseworks, Sac) :: LAUNCH PAD 1 :::>>> Drum n Bass Presha (Compound Records, SF) Seraphim (Sister, SF) Slim (UMS/Black-Locust.com) Tofu (UMS/Black-Locust.com) Adria (Ascension/Liquidcafe.com, SF) Starfire (liquidcafe.com,Sac) :: LAUNCH PAD 2 :::>>> Hardcore and NRG Cloudskipper (Liquidvinyl/supernova recordings, SF) Valerie Sparks (Liquidvinyl) Tronic (Liquidvinyl/Supernova recordings) DJ Pat (teknique, Fresno) Shorty (Euphoric Vibe/stealth Ent.) Glow (Sweet Factory/Schedule 1, Sac) ::: VIRTUAL GARDEN OF TRANQUILITY ::: Ambient flutes/Reggae Roots Dub/Chillin' Hip Hop and Down Tempo Tony Kalhagen(ambient love lounge/mindscape rec/kalhagen.com) Live PA Da' Spokesperson w/ junglist Dj Slim (Craftmasters) - Live spoken word Fooders (Zulu Nation, Sac) Mad Planet (Zulu Nation, Sac) Kelau and KiYoshi 1 (Scientists of Sound/Chemistry 90.9FM, SF) Note: All artists confirmed. However Lineup is always subject to change. Visuals: Eyelusions Lasers: The one and only, straight from the old skool, often immitated never duplicated - Hollywood Dog, plus B2B Productions. Five booming sound systems Infolines: 916.466.9113 415.303.7404 Online: http://www.liquidcafe.com/events.html **** GET YOUR PRESALE TIX NOW AND SAVE TIME AND MONEY **** Presales Tix - $20 In Tha Mix Records, 2329 I street, Sacramento 916.442.0499 Skills, 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley 510.704.9876 $25 @ the Door Liquidcafe is dedicated to uniting the scene, bringing together artists from Trance, House, Happy Hardcore, NRG, DnB, Trip Hop and down tempo. If you share the vision, and you would like to contribute love and positive energy to the cause, and/or promote for this event send private email to this addy. ******* LIQUIDCAFE.COM FULLY SUPPORTS A SOBER PARTY EXPERIENCE ******* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68284-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 18:02:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51501 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 18:02:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51491 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 18:02:48 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:14:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ann Landers on E By Ann Landers Monday, July 9, 2001; Page C11 Dear Ann: This is in response to the letter from DEA administrator Donnie Marshall about ecstasy. The ecstasy knock-off known as PMA that has been taking the lives of young Americans is today's version of bathtub gin. The black market has no controls for quality or user age. Unlike legitimate businesses that sell alcohol, illegal drug dealers do not ask for ID. They push trendy, synthetic "club drugs" when given the chance. The drug war fails miserably at its primary mandate -- protecting children from drugs. The Netherlands has successfully reduced overall drug use by regulating and taxing marijuana as a legal drug and establishing age controls. Politicians should stop worrying about the message drug policy reform sends and start thinking about the children. Robert Sharpe, MPA, Program Officer The Lindesmith Center-Drug Policy Foundation Washington Thanks for your interesting viewpoint. I hope your letter will wake up some of those "sleeping beauties." Here's more on the subject: >From Dallas: Ecstasy is fun. It gives you an overwhelming sense of happiness and love. True, it's not real, but so what? If you take ecstasy, be sure you get it from a trusted source and drink lots of water. Also, don't take any alcohol with it. It could result in brain damage or death. Johnstown, Pa.: I am a senior in high school and have been going to raves almost weekly. I took my mother to a rave, and we danced until 5 a.m. She had the time of her life. We were drug-free and surrounded by friends. Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio: I am 19 and have been attending raves for two years. People go for the music, not the drugs. Security personnel frisk everyone. Nashville: It's been two years since my experience with ecstasy, and I am still in therapy. I was almost raped and have lost my short-term memory. Sydney: Here in Australia, there are RaveSafe organizations that provide guidelines on how to stay safe while using ecstasy, including the need to drink water to prevent dehydration. You also can buy testing kits that will tell you if the pills contain MDMA or something more dangerous. Bloomfield Hills, Mich.: While the letter about ecstasy was valid, I would like to point out that glow sticks are not a dependable sign of ecstasy use. Glow sticks are very popular dance props with teenagers who listen to techno, electronic or rave music. Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.: A lot of ravers use drugs, but it is not fair to label all of us as drug users. I am 17 and go to raves every Saturday, and I don't use drugs. Ecstasy is available in lots of places, including rock concerts and college parties. If I want ecstasy, I don't have to go to a rave to get it. Oakland, Calif.: If ecstasy were legal, rave promoters and staff would be able to help injured kids without fear of legal reprisal. People are worried they will be arrested if they take someone to the hospital or call 911. That's the real problem. Cincinnati: Some raves let you in for a reduced fee if you bring canned goods for food drives. Others raise money for local charities. Ravers have a saying, P.L.U.R., which means Peace, Love, Unity, Respect. New York: I used ecstasy for five years, but only on weekends. I often felt depressed on Monday mornings, but continued to take ecstasy because it was so pleasant. This is classic addicted behavior. I can no longer ignore the effect it has had on my health. My hair is thin and breaks off easily. My skin is sallow, and I have perpetual acne. Due to the grinding, my teeth have become crooked and sharp. Ecstasy is not worth the misery you suffer later on. To find out more about Ann Landers and read her past columns, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com. © 2001, Creators Syndicate Inc. © 2001 The Washington Post Company "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68285-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 18:07:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55755 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 18:07:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55745 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 18:07:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709180743.91737.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: girlcat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ibiza (in spain, not oakland) my friend recently went to ibiza and sent me this scathing review, which i'm passing on to the list. Okay, so now for a more personal note: Spain is great. It truly is. You drink beer in the street at any hour, you can smoke hash in public, pretty much anywhere, the place is littered with political grafitti, posters, shirts, stickers. CNT posters and stickers are everywhere, all over the place. The anarchist presence here is impressive, and there are tons of cool psychedelic people here. We just got back from Ibiza today.   Ibiza. Now here´s a serious fuckin problem. The place is crap. I went with an open mind, assuming it could be both bad and good, but I didn´t realize how much crap I was up against. The place is bizarre, it´s a place where comodified techno dominates society and it´s ugly. Ibiza is a dictatorship of multi-billion dollar clubs.The clubs don´t just co-exist with other businesses, they literally rule over the island. Club Pacha has over 70 clubs world-wide, these are international corporations. They control the press, as they comprise almost exlusively the advertising industry. They are on every billboard, in every paper, in every restaurant, food is named after them, the economy is based around and for the interests of coporate clubs. They control the police, the government and city ordiances, and the law. Police do not interfere with clubs like they do at home, instead they are there to protect them. The role of the police is to clamp down on any renegade parties, to force all patrons in to clubs. Amplified noise is prohibited on the beach after midnight, excluding all bars and restaurants from having ay nighttime beach parties and forcing tourists into overpriced clubs, where water is $5 for a sample size bottle and the tap is salt water. People are literally dropping and passing out in clubs, the floors are littered with broken glass, and are very dangerous from dancesafe perspective. In fact, I have a theory which I´m sure is right. People must die in these clubs. With all of the fucked up pills and crap they suck in, watching people pass out all over the club, there must be some deaths. But you ever hear about deaths in Ibiza clubs. Never. Some of the most unsafe clubs in the world, with millions of people being wild in them every year and never a death? There´s a media black out for sure; clubs own and control the press and the island. Word never gets out. The press is controlled. Furthermore, the security guards are assholes who won´t let you sit down and who rip you off at the door. J. saw two security guards at club Amnesia stop two people who accidentally drove the wrong way in the driveway entrance to the club. They pulled the driver and passenger out through the window, threw them on the ground and beat the shit out of them.The island is horribly commercial, with techno being comodified into pure capitalist crap. The island is full of drunk idiotic British people and ultra-trendy cheeseballs. And there is no shortage at all of bad music. Profit rules the island and you can feel it in the vibe. Clubs here feel like partying under the clutches of an evil despot. The place is evil. Any trace of subculture here is totally undermined and re-packaged as the new breed of party, the mix of ecstay, techno and capitalism, litered with families and MTV jerk-offs. Ibiza is in need of a serious techno revolution, RTS, an actual overthrow of existing corporate club rule replaced by free parties. Don´t come here, we have way better parties with way better people at home.   So, was there anythig good about Ibiza? Yes, of course, but the political reality was so clear to me and disturbing that I had to address that first. We met some cool natives on the island and I asked them if they new of any cool parties that didn´t suck. She told me there were underground parties thrown in the hills and spread by word of mouth to good people. This was encouraging, considering I didn´t think an island like this was totally wasted. But we didn´t get to go to any of them. Some DJs were good, Carl Cox rocked the house in a serious way. We saw Darren Emerson, Sasha, Paul Oakenfold (who really sucked, pass it on),and others. The beaches are beautiful, and there´s at least one bar that throws a free party on the beach every day of the summer, by far the best thing we saw and the coolest people, although this bar is owend by a giant hotel chain which owns half the beach (and is probably actually owned by a club). Priviledge is a seriously large club. It was scary, although worth going to just to see. It´s the biggest in the world and holds 30,000 people. Enormous, with a ship on one side, trees growing in the club, with a floating booth over a huge indoor pool where the DJ is. The sound system is collossal, the music pretty good. It´s the future of entertainment when  techno rules the earth. It´s not just a party, it´s a broadway theatrical with techo and people dancing. There are acrobats swinging through the air, dancers, fire performaces,live sex shows and it´s all in sync with the DJ - build ups break up as perfomerances peak or tricks take place. Out of control. But perhaps the best part of Ibiza is rippig the bastards off. Hotel chains are cake to work over, we ended up gettig to stay 5 free nights in Ibiza, allowing us some vendication in the face of tyranny.   I think I need to write an article about Ibiza. It´s not great, it´s fundamentally evil and the world needs to know it. Corporations destroy everything. The commodification of parties and coporate rule turns good scenes into bad ones; instead of cool people are the party you have total assholes, a direct result of capitalism. Crap. Of all the reviews I read of  Ibiza before we left, not one of them even touched on the obvious fundamental problem of corporate Ibiza. Some complained of crowded clubs, or bad DJs, but the more important issue of what Ibiza means to the future of dance parties was never mentioned. My God! This place has problems.   Okay, I had to get that out. People need to know. The rest of our trip has been awesome, and we had fun in Ibiza despite it all.Hope you´re all well, I gotta go. Feel free to pass on this info to others who think might be interested. Love to all. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68286-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 18:11:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64136 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 18:11:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64096 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 18:11:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.19] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:11:01 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 18:11:01.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[82AA0830:01C108A2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp<>7/11 DDR this Wednesday at STEREOPHONIK/KILLASUBZ You got to go, this guy knows his stuff! Hard acid techno and trance. Also this week, the return of Amber, a Solid Grroves tag team with Keith Edwards and Damon, and progressive by Blair. Visuals by Terry of Viberation This will fill up early so get down there quickly. And least I forget to mention, This week at Killasubz: Rob Bliss Know 1 Das Hak $7 folks, what a steal! STEREOPHONIK/KILLASUBZ happens every week at the Cactus Club. 417 S 1st St, San Jose, CA 18ish and Up. Full bar for the legal. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68287-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 18:16:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72779 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 18:16:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72724 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 18:16:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.29.197.43] From: "Marcine Perry" To: digitalmindtraveler@hotmail.com, freakzone@mindspring.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:16:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 18:16:18.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F90F300:01C108A3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing OH MY GOD ! ! ! is there REALLY a club night called bondage a-go-go?!? if so, you have to let me know where and when!!! pleeeease? >From: "electric joy boy" >To: freakzone@mindspring.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 16:44:35 -0000 > >That reminds me of this one night at bondage a go go, mmmmhhmmm >oh wait... sorry! > >Actually, that really sucks. I'm not saying that the western world is >perfect or that our governments don't use Gestapo tactics to inhibit our >dancing (and drug consumption) freedom but this really puts things in, I >think, a proper global perspective. For example, imagine what would happen >right now if we tried to throw a "spiritual" tribal full moon celebration >in >China or threw a UG in Afghanistan? > >Ben > >--- >http://bhidalgo.tripod.com > > >>From: "Freak Zone!" >>To: "sfraves" >>Subject: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing >>Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:34:42 -0700 >> >>I guess they aren't doing too much raving in Iran >> >> >> >> >>------------ Men and Women Flogged for Dancing ------------ >> >>TEHRAN, Iran - You thought your parents were strict. Fifty >>Iranian men and women between the ages of 18 and 25 were >>rounded up by police for dancing at a party together and were >>later flogged after a court found them guilty of depravity. >>The government-run daily newspaper Iran reports that the >>party-goers received 30 to 99 lashes after they were arrested >>last weekend in an apartment in an upper-class district in >>northern Tehran. The paper quoted the judge as saying that >>the group was celebrating the birthday of the daughter of the >>landlord when they were caught dancing together. Mixed parties >>are banned in Iran on religious grounds and penalties include >>fines, whipping and prison terms. >> >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68288-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 18:29:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86649 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 18:29:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86637 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 18:29:51 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:29:45 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010709180743.91737.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ibizamix BSP > my friend recently went to ibiza and sent me this > scathing review, which i'm passing on to the list. Hmm, seems a bit harsh but everyone's entitled to an opinion. Meanwhile, the stream from Club Mambo is up, hurray! All the sound and none of the broken glass =) http://www.ibizamix.com/listen.php --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68289-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 18:35:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90388 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 18:35:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90378 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 18:35:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709183522.33832.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] jazz :) nrr i don't feel like blabbing about clubs or locals or whatever, but i feel like writing, and as you might have noticed, i have quite a following, so bear (sp? not the growly kind...speaking of which, there sure are a lot of growly people on this list) with the nrr's if your not so down with them. anyway, i have an interest in jazz, particularly jazz piano, and i found a book many years ago that is wonderful on the subject, but people couldn't just leave me be, because so many are out for murder even if they are too cowardly to just be efficient about it all and just kill themselves, so i haven't been able to get to it till now. anyway, it is awesome!!!! my vocabulary is faultering...too much mind in the valley....so anyway, this book was written by a man named John Mehegan who taught at the Juilliard School of Music, and it is called "Tonal and Rhythimic Priciples"..it offers a very simple description of the process that a musicians goes through during improv. oh, and on a different note, just because there's silence, doesn't mean there isn't any volcanic activity going on. i never forget that. glad to be of assistance once again, by the way. once we get past feeling/word association, we can move onto other sensory healing techniques until your all better. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68290-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 18:37:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92148 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 18:37:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92101 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 18:37:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:37:27 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010709113727.B27284@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from marcine99@hotmail.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:16:16AM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing http://www.sfstation.com/clubs/cats.htm [Marcine Perry ] > OH MY GOD ! ! ! is there REALLY a club night called bondage a-go-go?!? if > so, you have to let me know where and when!!! pleeeease? > > > >From: "electric joy boy" > >To: freakzone@mindspring.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing > >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 16:44:35 -0000 > > > >That reminds me of this one night at bondage a go go, mmmmhhmmm > >oh wait... sorry! > > > >Actually, that really sucks. I'm not saying that the western world is > >perfect or that our governments don't use Gestapo tactics to inhibit our > >dancing (and drug consumption) freedom but this really puts things in, I > >think, a proper global perspective. For example, imagine what would happen > >right now if we tried to throw a "spiritual" tribal full moon celebration > >in > >China or threw a UG in Afghanistan? > > > >Ben > > > >--- > >http://bhidalgo.tripod.com > > > > > >>From: "Freak Zone!" > >>To: "sfraves" > >>Subject: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing > >>Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:34:42 -0700 > >> > >>I guess they aren't doing too much raving in Iran > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------ Men and Women Flogged for Dancing ------------ > >> > >>TEHRAN, Iran - You thought your parents were strict. Fifty > >>Iranian men and women between the ages of 18 and 25 were > >>rounded up by police for dancing at a party together and were > >>later flogged after a court found them guilty of depravity. > >>The government-run daily newspaper Iran reports that the > >>party-goers received 30 to 99 lashes after they were arrested > >>last weekend in an apartment in an upper-class district in > >>northern Tehran. The paper quoted the judge as saying that > >>the group was celebrating the birthday of the daughter of the > >>landlord when they were caught dancing together. Mixed parties > >>are banned in Iran on religious grounds and penalties include > >>fines, whipping and prison terms. > >> > >> > >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68291-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 18:43:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2255 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 18:43:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2234 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 18:43:31 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:43:10 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010709184311.IHXA12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] come-unity last friday hi monica, i saw you across the decks at one point, but didn't get to say hello... glad you and tom were there! what you heard after simon and before jeno was an incredible act -- i'd been dancing on one end and decided to wander to the other end of the room to see who was around -- and lo and behold, next to the dj (who i didn't recognize) is a tall kid with long braided pigtails playing an electric guitar, and a guy playing a djembe with a slew of other hand percussion. they completely rocked! it was that guitar that made the music take another form... and when the guitarist took a short break, he handed out little flyers that said "you are listening to memory man" with a note that you can get their cd at amoeba. that was so great, it's really exciting to see live musicians working with djs, i hope to see a lot more of it. and that long narrow floor is hard to maneuver, but it means that you can look out the window from wherever you are, and the places stays cooler too -- yes, the dj was right in the middle friday, i've seen them set up at all different spots in the space for different parties. leslie >well, i made it out to come-unity last friday. a >highlight was getting to meet apollo. had a pretty >good time -i was in a really sour mood, so i didn't >expect to have an amazing time, but the dancing was >good for me. mission rock is nice, except the >upstairs dance floor is very long and narrow -never >did see the dj, who i was told was in the middle. at >least it's a wood floor. people were very friendly. >(and i got asked to dance! at a rave! how amusing!) >sometimes people were aggressively friendly - "touch >my girlfriend's face! it's so soft like a baby's >ass!" uh, yeah, whatever. > >enjoyed what i heard of siobhan's set outside. > >i'm curious - does anyone know who was playing >upstairs around 12:30 - 1:30 or so? i'm assuming it >was jeno, because i really enjoyed it, but i'd like to >be corrected if i'm wrong. > >unfortunately, i'm not really into deep house, but i >do like progressive house/acid house, so at least >there's a bit of that there for me. but The Girl ... >(the divas, that is).... i need to avoid The Girl >whenever possible 'cuz she grates on my nerves. i >never was one for "The San Francisco Sound." > >but i do like come-unity for the vibe and the >old-school feel, and, like i said, for the >progressive house aspect. And to see Malachy. > >oh, and did i mention people were friendly? wish >there were a monthly techno gathering w/ such a >friendly vibe. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68292-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 19:08:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25032 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 19:08:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25022 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 19:08:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.29.197.43] From: "Marcine Perry" To: regs@nebcorp.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:07:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 19:07:57.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[76AFF4B0:01C108AA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing thanks for the link, ari...but why does the music have to be "Industrialalternativegoth 80's dance?" not that i don't love a good NIN tune every once in a while as much as the next girl, but maybe i'll have to start the city's first junglist/bondage night. i'm giggling just thinking about it... anyone wanna sign up to be a go-go dancer? heeheehee :) >From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:37:27 -0700 > >http://www.sfstation.com/clubs/cats.htm > >[Marcine Perry ] > > OH MY GOD ! ! ! is there REALLY a club night called bondage a-go-go?!? >if > > so, you have to let me know where and when!!! pleeeease? > > > > > > >From: "electric joy boy" > > >To: freakzone@mindspring.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing > > >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 16:44:35 -0000 > > > > > >That reminds me of this one night at bondage a go go, mmmmhhmmm > > >oh wait... sorry! > > > > > >Actually, that really sucks. I'm not saying that the western world is > > >perfect or that our governments don't use Gestapo tactics to inhibit >our > > >dancing (and drug consumption) freedom but this really puts things in, >I > > >think, a proper global perspective. For example, imagine what would >happen > > >right now if we tried to throw a "spiritual" tribal full moon >celebration > > >in > > >China or threw a UG in Afghanistan? > > > > > >Ben > > > > > >--- > > >http://bhidalgo.tripod.com > > > > > > > > >>From: "Freak Zone!" > > >>To: "sfraves" > > >>Subject: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing > > >>Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:34:42 -0700 > > >> > > >>I guess they aren't doing too much raving in Iran > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>------------ Men and Women Flogged for Dancing ------------ > > >> > > >>TEHRAN, Iran - You thought your parents were strict. Fifty > > >>Iranian men and women between the ages of 18 and 25 were > > >>rounded up by police for dancing at a party together and were > > >>later flogged after a court found them guilty of depravity. > > >>The government-run daily newspaper Iran reports that the > > >>party-goers received 30 to 99 lashes after they were arrested > > >>last weekend in an apartment in an upper-class district in > > >>northern Tehran. The paper quoted the judge as saying that > > >>the group was celebrating the birthday of the daughter of the > > >>landlord when they were caught dancing together. Mixed parties > > >>are banned in Iran on religious grounds and penalties include > > >>fines, whipping and prison terms. > > >> > > >> > > >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >-- >Ari there is no spoon >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68293-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 19:16:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32595 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 19:16:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32581 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 19:16:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:12:10 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1217416329==_ma============" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ann Landers on E --============_-1217416329==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I'd really like to see: Dear Ann Landers: I recently experienced ecstacy and went on a wild rampage, out of my=20 mind running down the streets naked and right in front of a train!=20 Thanks goodness the police found me in time. Now I'm a member of the=20 Republican party and everything is ok. I also make sure to watch=20 plenty of anti-drug propaganda on television to keep me in line and=20 listen to plenty of stuffy newstalk commentary to give me some reason=20 to go on living. Sincerely, N Penml Sryybj >By Ann Landers >Monday, July 9, 2001; Page C11 > > >Dear Ann: > >This is in response to the letter from DEA administrator Donnie Marshall >about ecstasy. The ecstasy knock-off known as PMA that has been taking the >lives of young Americans is today's version of bathtub gin. The black marke= t >has no controls for quality or user age. Unlike legitimate businesses that >sell alcohol, illegal drug dealers do not ask for ID. They push trendy, >synthetic "club drugs" when given the chance. The drug war fails miserably >at its primary mandate -- protecting children from drugs. > >The Netherlands has successfully reduced overall drug use by regulating and >taxing marijuana as a legal drug and establishing age controls. Politicians >should stop worrying about the message drug policy reform sends and start >thinking about the children. > >Robert Sharpe, MPA, Program Officer >The Lindesmith Center-Drug Policy Foundation >Washington > >Thanks for your interesting viewpoint. I hope your letter will wake up some >of those "sleeping beauties." Here's more on the subject: > >>From Dallas: Ecstasy is fun. It gives you an overwhelming sense of happines= s >and love. True, it's not real, but so what? If you take ecstasy, be sure yo= u >get it from a trusted source and drink lots of water. Also, don't take any >alcohol with it. It could result in brain damage or death. > >Johnstown, Pa.: I am a senior in high school and have been going to raves >almost weekly. I took my mother to a rave, and we danced until 5 a.m. She >had the time of her life. We were drug-free and surrounded by friends. > >Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio: I am 19 and have been attending raves for two years. >People go for the music, not the drugs. Security personnel frisk everyone. > >Nashville: It's been two years since my experience with ecstasy, and I am >still in therapy. I was almost raped and have lost my short-term memory. > >Sydney: Here in Australia, there are RaveSafe organizations that provide >guidelines on how to stay safe while using ecstasy, including the need to >drink water to prevent dehydration. You also can buy testing kits that will >tell you if the pills contain MDMA or something more dangerous. > >Bloomfield Hills, Mich.: While the letter about ecstasy was valid, I would >like to point out that glow sticks are not a dependable sign of ecstasy use= =2E >Glow sticks are very popular dance props with teenagers who listen to >techno, electronic or rave music. > >Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.: A lot of ravers use drugs, but it is not fair to labe= l >all of us as drug users. I am 17 and go to raves every Saturday, and I don'= t >use drugs. Ecstasy is available in lots of places, including rock concerts >and college parties. If I want ecstasy, I don't have to go to a rave to get >it. > >Oakland, Calif.: If ecstasy were legal, rave promoters and staff would be >able to help injured kids without fear of legal reprisal. People are worrie= d >they will be arrested if they take someone to the hospital or call 911. >That's the real problem. > >Cincinnati: Some raves let you in for a reduced fee if you bring canned >goods for food drives. Others raise money for local charities. Ravers have = a >saying, P.L.U.R., which means Peace, Love, Unity, Respect. > >New York: I used ecstasy for five years, but only on weekends. I often felt >depressed on Monday mornings, but continued to take ecstasy because it was >so pleasant. This is classic addicted behavior. I can no longer ignore the >effect it has had on my health. My hair is thin and breaks off easily. My >skin is sallow, and I have perpetual acne. Due to the grinding, my teeth >have become crooked and sharp. Ecstasy is not worth the misery you suffer >later on. > >To find out more about Ann Landers and read her past columns, visit the >Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com. > >=A9 2001, Creators Syndicate Inc. > > > >=A9 2001 The Washington Post Company > >"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." > >- Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory > > >"Spend money on experience, not on goods." > >- Ben, Burningman 2000 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --============_-1217416329==_ma============-- From sfraves-return-68294-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 19:20:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36819 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 19:20:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36808 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 19:20:38 -0000 To: david@weekly.org Message-ID: <994706423.3b4a03f7594ac@imp.free.fr> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:20:23 +0200 (MEST) From: thieg Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <056CAAE26872D511A87300508B5A9C4F0249@u-mail.rd.francetelecom.com> In-Reply-To: <056CAAE26872D511A87300508B5A9C4F0249@u-mail.rd.francetelecom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 208.25.178.222 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? hey david, umm... want to listen to house music in Paris? That's possible! First, you should go to the music store called "Techno Import" (rue des taillandiers Paris 11eme). You must go there; you will find there ALL the interesting flyers for both clubs and raves parties. But anyway, here is the places I recommend you if you want to listen to good house music: Clubs: - Le Rex - Le Queen - Le Batofar - Le gibus - L'Enfer Bars: - Le Sanz Sans - Le Cafe du tresor - La Fabrique - La Fleche d'or Agenda: http://www.radiofg.com/plancap/Plancaps.html Venues adresses: http://www.parisavenue.com Have fun ;) ~thieg > -----Original Message----- > From: David E. Weekly [mailto:david@weekly.org] > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 3:14 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? > > > Hey all, > > I'm going to Paris at the end of the month; I've dreamed for years about > the > possibility of getting to go dancing to live French house music! I'm > pumped! > I > am told though, that you really have to know where to go; anybody have > any > good suggestions for places to dance to house in Paris? =) > > Love, > -david > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68295-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 19:33:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50509 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 19:33:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50498 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 19:33:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: SF Raves List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? okay so this may not exactly be the right place to post this but i wanted to get some peoples opinions on the situation... so my hip hop girlfriend has quite a ghetto attitude, she be jackin peeps for their shoes when we are out on a date... she be muggin fools tryin to get into fights when we go out to bars... and i really have a heck of a time gettin her to leave her glock at home... what really bothers me though is when she feels the need to start freestylin and bustin flows when i take her out to a very nice restaurant... beat boxing while the waiter is trying to take our order... well she is honestly a really cool girl once you get past the years of ghettofication that she has undergone, but even once you get past that she still comes across like the ghetto girl that she was raised to be... im just getting tired of her coming home every night after slangin her crack rocks to the kids down the street, yellin and bitchin about her day and how she didnt make her quota, about the fool she had to cap for not given her the money he owed her. i guess i think she needs to leave all this ghetto-ness behind and move on, maybe get one of them real jobs working at burger king or maybe even at a store in the mall. well i was just wondering what yall think about this? any ideas or hints for me? laterz kenneth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68296-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 19:36:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53234 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 19:36:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53223 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 19:36:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: deepfog@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:32:53 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Interesting... Go Womens Lib! http://www.4aks.com/images/2001p/06jun/22hoi/hoi2.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68297-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 19:46:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65615 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 19:46:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65604 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 19:46:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709194625.98050.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:46:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Presser To: Kenneth Bice , SF Raves List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? Dude, she sounds like a keeper! Not ONLY is she a riot, but I bet she bangs your brains out everyday though, huh? So why not just compromise. Have her lose the glock and stop slinging the rock, and you'll let her beatbox anywhere she wants, including the SF Symphony... Now THAT, I gotta see! Rick P.S. Mr. Microphones on sale at K-Mart by the way... --- Kenneth Bice wrote: > > okay so this may not exactly be the right place to > post this > but i wanted to get some peoples opinions on the > situation... > > so my hip hop girlfriend has quite a ghetto > attitude, > she be jackin peeps for their shoes when we are out > on a date... she be muggin fools tryin to get into > fights when we go out to bars... and i really have > a heck of a time gettin her to leave her glock at > home... > > what really bothers me though is when she feels the > need to start freestylin and bustin flows when i > take her out to a very nice restaurant... > beat boxing while the waiter is trying to take our > order... > > well she is honestly a really cool girl once you > get past the years of ghettofication that she > has undergone, but even once you get past that > she still comes across like the ghetto girl > that she was raised to be... > > im just getting tired of her coming home every > night after slangin her crack rocks to the kids > down the street, yellin and bitchin about her > day and how she didnt make her quota, about > the fool she had to cap for not given her the > money he owed her. i guess i think she needs > to leave all this ghetto-ness behind and move > on, maybe get one of them real jobs working > at burger king or maybe even at a store in the > mall. > > well i was just wondering what yall think > about this? any ideas or hints for me? > > laterz > kenneth > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68298-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 19:50:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71078 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 19:50:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71064 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 19:50:31 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.29.197.43] From: "Marcine Perry" To: thieg@free.fr, david@weekly.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:50:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 19:50:02.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[57DBE660:01C108B0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? Also, there used to be some awesome FREE trance parties going down at Le Gibus on Thursday nights...This was 3 years ago, though, so I'm not sure if that's still happening. I'm a hardcore junglist, but the trance they spun at that place got my ass shakin' and kept it that way into the wee small hours...And did I mention it's FREE? :) They turn some ppl away at the door, but there's no dress code and they like American party kids... Also, in case no one's mentioned it yet, a great resource for free-party updates and club nights is my favorite radio station in the universe, Radio FG. If only the US had high-watt FM all-electronic music stations!!! You can find Radio FG at 98.2 FM while you're in Gai Paris, and they have an awesome website at http://www.radiofg.com/sommaire.html If you go to the website and click on RadioFG Live! in the left nav, you can pick a stream to listen to the station from your PC! Which I do almost daily at work. But unfortunately, some of the programming isn't too exciting during our Pacific Standard Time day, considering that they're about 9 hours ahead. It's still cool, though. Have an awesome time en France! marcine >From: thieg >To: david@weekly.org >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:20:23 +0200 (MEST) > > >hey david, > >umm... want to listen to house music in Paris? That's possible! >First, you should go to the music store called "Techno Import" >(rue des taillandiers Paris 11eme). You must go there; you will >find there ALL the interesting flyers for both clubs and raves parties. > >But anyway, here is the places I recommend you if you want to listen to >good house music: > >Clubs: >- Le Rex >- Le Queen >- Le Batofar >- Le gibus >- L'Enfer > >Bars: >- Le Sanz Sans >- Le Cafe du tresor >- La Fabrique >- La Fleche d'or > >Agenda: http://www.radiofg.com/plancap/Plancaps.html >Venues adresses: http://www.parisavenue.com > >Have fun ;) > >~thieg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David E. Weekly [mailto:david@weekly.org] > > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 3:14 AM > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > I'm going to Paris at the end of the month; I've dreamed for years about > > the > > possibility of getting to go dancing to live French house music! I'm > > pumped! > > I > > am told though, that you really have to know where to go; anybody have > > any > > good suggestions for places to dance to house in Paris? =) > > > > Love, > > -david > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68299-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 20:09:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84903 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 20:09:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84890 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 20:09:02 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: Kenneth Bice , SF Raves List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.58] Message-Id: <20010709200900.351EB2756@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? That's really sad! =( If you're not happy with her, then break up! If U wanna stay w/ her, then tel her 2 chill the fuck out! Beat Boxing while a waiter takes your order, now that's totally raunchy!! Hello 2Day!! But if U think U can help her change her ways, then try! I heard subliminal messages in favorite songs work! Seriously! Or hypnotizing! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68300-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 20:11:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88087 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 20:11:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88077 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 20:11:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "Geri Dahl" , References: <20010709183522.33832.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:20:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 20:11:08.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A9D3730:01C108B3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] jazz :) nrr WoW thats amazing I have been looking for a description of the process that a musicians goes through during improv. I really didnt expect it to exist... Oh well anyhoo if your checking out Jazz piano from the players aspect. There are are a good number of great books by david baker out that will really get you into playin changes. Good luck. Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geri Dahl" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: [sfraves] jazz :) nrr > i don't feel like blabbing about clubs or locals or > whatever, but i feel like writing, and as you might > have > noticed, i have quite a following, so bear (sp? not > the growly kind...speaking of which, there sure are a > lot of growly people on this list) with the nrr's if > your not > so down with them. anyway, i have an interest in jazz, > particularly jazz piano, and i found a book many years > ago > that is wonderful on the subject, but people couldn't > just leave me be, because so many are out for murder > even > if they are too cowardly to just be efficient about it > all and just kill themselves, so i haven't been able > to get > to it till now. anyway, it is awesome!!!! my > vocabulary is faultering...too much mind in the > valley....so anyway, > this book was written by a man named John Mehegan who > taught at the Juilliard School of Music, and it is > called > "Tonal and Rhythimic Priciples"..it offers a very > simple description of the process that a musicians > goes through during improv. oh, and on a different > note, just > because there's silence, doesn't mean there isn't any > volcanic activity going on. i never forget that. glad > to > be of assistance once again, by the way. once we get > past feeling/word association, we can move onto other > sensory healing techniques until your all better. :) > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68301-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 20:17:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90983 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 20:17:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90969 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 20:17:32 -0000 X-Authentication-Warning: gabber.ez-e.net: Host zengine-gw2.customer.alter.net [157.130.208.226] (may be forged) claimed to be drghetto.com Message-ID: <3B4A1259.20206@drghetto.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:21:45 -0700 From: John Vicondoa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010628 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: osby@ratkoonrat.net CC: Kenneth Bice , SF Raves List References: <20010709200900.351EB2756@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? You can only change someones ways if they want you to.... else, it will just get them pissed off at you. I hate it when girlfriends do that to me. Show her how she treats others... start jacking her shit. -johnv Osby wrote: >That's really sad! =( If you're not happy with her, then break up! If U wanna stay w/ her, then tel her 2 chill the fuck out! Beat Boxing while a waiter takes your order, now that's totally raunchy!! Hello 2Day!! But if U think U can help her change her ways, then try! I heard subliminal messages in favorite songs work! Seriously! Or hypnotizing! > >== >Later {8O) >Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY > >_____________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -- -johnv http://drghetto.com e:jvicondoa@yahoo.com aim:BONETO icq:505351 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68302-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 20:38:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10270 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 20:38:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10192 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 20:38:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Mitchell To: leslie ayres cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010708230342.PEYM12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Come Unity? Come Unity!! On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, leslie ayres wrote: > but you're griping that comunity is deep house?? that's what comeunity is > -- always was, always will be. that's like griping that they play drum and > bass at eklektic, or psy trance at thump. Well both eklektic and thump have multi rooms just like come unity did on friday. I knew this was going to be the case since I had been to mission rock before hand. So I figured if I wasn't down with one style of music the other dance floors would get me going, When I have been to both eklektic and thump radio, All rooms have had really outstanding dj's, and the outstanding dj's were not just on the main room floors. Your right griping about there being deep house at a come unity would be lame, that's why I said it just wasn't my thing which is cool since for me it's just a matter of a time and place for deep house. The frustration for me was the fact that the dj's in the other area's were not up to par--like the other clubs I have been to with multiple rooms. > so your gripe is that comeunity is... comeunity. that's what the music is > about there. it's why people come back, to hear dependable deep house. I went to have a good time and I had a good time, so i'm not saying I would never go again, and you are right about the people being very cool. Jahsh > >Yes I would agree it was all in all a good event. Although as always i got > >gripes:P > > > > The Dj's up stairs were very good and flawlesss as always, but the deep > >house was not gettin my body movin on a friday night at a club. some times > >I was like, Is this sunday afternoon? Are we on a beach? IMO Deep house > >has it's place, but not for me on a friday night. > > > > This would have been just fine with me since there was 2 other sound > >systems at the club. You know don't complain just go to another > >room; however, the dj's that I heard on the other sound systems > >technically were not doing a very good job at the decks. the music was > >gettin me going, but I got frustrated when after 3 dj's on the smaller > >system outside, I hadn't heard ONE good mix from the 3 dj's during my > >whole time on the dance floor. Come Unity has been around for along time > >and i'm sure they could get plenty of skilled Dj's that don't play deep > >house to play in the other rooms it just seemed like a bummer that they > >didn't put more effort into that area. > > > > Things I loved was the sound was good in all 3 areas, and they had really > >nice visual projections all over the place. Most of the time it was just > >still images, instead of video-which I really was diggin on. There is > >something to be said for just really cool pictures. > > > > Jahsh > > > >On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Dregaron Starlighter wrote: > > > >> Just wanted to drop a little line to say that this was > >> a really great party last night! It was everything I > >> knew it would be, everything I hoped it would be, and > >> then some. I hadn't been dancing in 3 weeks, and it > >> felt good to be out again. By the time it was over I > >> was beat down, unable to keep going, but unwilling to > >> quit! > >> > >> Many thanks go out to the people on the list that I > >> met last night: Knowmad, Doug Fraser, Apollo, and > >> mirage. You all made me feel at home, and I > >> appreciate it! Hope to see more of everyone in the > >> near future! > >> > >> Much love, > >> -Dreg > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68303-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 20:47:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18744 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 20:47:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18734 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 20:47:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.114.71] From: "Brandon @ Invibe" To: kgb@dreamscape.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:47:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 20:47:27.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D4C9830:01C108B8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? damn, where can i find a girlfriend who can beatbox? sweet... -brandon >From: Kenneth Bice >To: SF Raves List >Subject: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:32:48 -0700 (PDT) > > >okay so this may not exactly be the right place to post this >but i wanted to get some peoples opinions on the situation... > >so my hip hop girlfriend has quite a ghetto attitude, >she be jackin peeps for their shoes when we are out >on a date... she be muggin fools tryin to get into >fights when we go out to bars... and i really have >a heck of a time gettin her to leave her glock at >home... > >what really bothers me though is when she feels the >need to start freestylin and bustin flows when i >take her out to a very nice restaurant... >beat boxing while the waiter is trying to take our >order... > >well she is honestly a really cool girl once you >get past the years of ghettofication that she >has undergone, but even once you get past that >she still comes across like the ghetto girl >that she was raised to be... > >im just getting tired of her coming home every >night after slangin her crack rocks to the kids >down the street, yellin and bitchin about her >day and how she didnt make her quota, about >the fool she had to cap for not given her the >money he owed her. i guess i think she needs >to leave all this ghetto-ness behind and move >on, maybe get one of them real jobs working >at burger king or maybe even at a store in the >mall. > >well i was just wondering what yall think >about this? any ideas or hints for me? > >laterz >kenneth > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68304-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 20:48:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19166 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 20:48:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19118 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 20:48:00 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:47:21 -0700 From: "Mailing list acct: Istyly" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: istyly@lycos.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 12.22.57.2 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hotel Trance 4 Location Info No Hotel Trance 4 is not in Livermore. Its going to take place at a brand new health club in the east bay and we already have permits. Yes the club will be closed that night only open for our event. --- Thanks! Please party and play safe. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68305-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 20:52:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24299 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 20:52:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24289 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 20:52:11 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c108b9$6f511000$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: , "Kenneth Bice" , "SF Raves List" References: <20010709200900.351EB2756@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:55:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? Who the hell are you to say what is ghetto and what is not.. Just because people don't act the way you want to act does not make them ghetto..Get over yourselves Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Osby" To: "Kenneth Bice" ; "SF Raves List" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? > > That's really sad! =( If you're not happy with her, then break up! If U wanna stay w/ her, then tel her 2 chill the fuck out! Beat Boxing while a waiter takes your order, now that's totally raunchy!! Hello 2Day!! But if U think U can help her change her ways, then try! I heard subliminal messages in favorite songs work! Seriously! Or hypnotizing! > > == > Later {8O) > Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68306-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 20:59:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35239 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 20:59:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35229 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 20:59:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [170.20.137.144] From: "Alknod !" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:58:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 20:58:39.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE109280:01C108B9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Ascention this Thursday! two 2X4 's! Well, 2 sets of 2 djs this thursday night. And my first ever 2X4 with Macadio should be interesting enough. In fact, it will be my first 2X4 ever, so it should provide for an interresting, slaming, head bangin, techno popin,(add your own verb here) evening! This week: 9-11 Alex Van Dune and Macadio 2x4 11-12:15 FuckWork 12:15-close DJ D and Ice-9 2x4 Ascention is in the basement of Blakes in Berkeley off of Telegraph. It's an 18 n up event, bring your ass as you will be shaking it all night long! It's the prefect way to bring in Friday. Alex Van Dune _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68307-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:04:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46148 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:04:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46134 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:04:39 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:04:30 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: Josh Mitchell CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010709210431.JKDK9548.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Come Unity? Come Unity!! i haven't been to eklektic at cat's yet, but when it was on thursday, i always found the downstairs not very fulfilling musically. thump however, is one event that ALWAYS has kick-ass music in the back room, and i love how they rotate it so sometimes it's d&B, the next month it's house (like this friday, sensei and david coleman and ellen ferrato are in the back room -- yes!!!), the next it's pure techno. really high-quality lineups, quality all the way. i guess one difference is that comeunity is never about showing off new djs or presenting new music to folks -- it's the old reliable, always the same lineup (only minor shifts when scheduling requires it), comfortable and familiar. and that definitely has its place. but i'll be at thump friday having a hard time between the main room and the back room, which way to go, decisions decisions! love, leslie > > Well both eklektic and thump have multi rooms just like come unity >did on friday. I knew this was going to be the case since I had been to >mission rock before hand. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68308-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:09:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51776 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:09:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51729 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:08:59 -0000 From: Megatron45@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:08:51 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e8.174576e6.287b7763_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? --part1_e8.174576e6.287b7763_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well i think your either writing the biggest pile of crap ive scene on SFR within the past few weeks or you got yourself a real nutcase girlfriend. this post seemed to be more about a bunch of generalizations and stereotypical descriptions of your so called gal than like a cry for help and advice. it was almost as if it was a disrespectful post aimed towards putting down the urban community. if this post was ment to be funny it wasnt funny to me. thaMEGA In a message dated 7/9/01 2:02:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, megatron_dj@hotmail.com writes: > > >From: Kenneth Bice > >To: SF Raves List > >Subject: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? > >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:32:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >okay so this may not exactly be the right place to post this > >but i wanted to get some peoples opinions on the situation... > > > >so my hip hop girlfriend has quite a ghetto attitude, > >she be jackin peeps for their shoes when we are out > >on a date... she be muggin fools tryin to get into > >fights when we go out to bars... and i really have > >a heck of a time gettin her to leave her glock at > >home... > > > >what really bothers me though is when she feels the > >need to start freestylin and bustin flows when i > >take her out to a very nice restaurant... > >beat boxing while the waiter is trying to take our > >order... > > > >well she is honestly a really cool girl once you > >get past the years of ghettofication that she > >has undergone, but even once you get past that > >she still comes across like the ghetto girl > >that she was raised to be... > > > >im just getting tired of her coming home every > >night after slangin her crack rocks to the kids > >down the street, yellin and bitchin about her > >day and how she didnt make her quota, about > >the fool she had to cap for not given her the > >money he owed her. i guess i think she needs > >to leave all this ghetto-ness behind and move > >on, maybe get one of them real jobs working > >at burger king or maybe even at a store in the > >mall. > > > >well i was just wondering what yall think > >about this? any ideas or hints for me? > > > >laterz > >kenneth > > > > > --part1_e8.174576e6.287b7763_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68309-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:17:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62962 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:17:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62950 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:17:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709211726.12385.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:17:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Yasmin Fang To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR what should i do? ok i have a tiny lil prob here i am so in love with my boyfriend. and i would never do anything to hurt him. today i recieved an email from previous dude that i havent talked to forever. and he dissed me hardcore and i adored his ass to the fullest. and now he is all good with me and told me to be good and that he would give me a call sometime this week. whats the deal with that all this time and no calls now i have a man who is the greatest and now he wants me. he doesnt know i have a boyfriend. so he is going to call me. what do i do? i mean i still like this dude but i dont ever want him to hurt me again. then i am thinking what if i play it for a little bit hey payback is a bi_atch. i dont know give me some feedback i have no intentions of doing anyting else with this guy i love my boyfriend so much that there is no need for that. hehe sweet revenge yasmin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68310-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:27:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70786 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:27:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70775 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:27:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:27:38 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010709142738.A9170@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from marcine99@hotmail.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 12:07:56PM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing For some reason bondage and industriagothalternative seem to go together. I've never been to this Weds. night soiree, but I hear it's very cool. Oh, and Cat's is a *great* place to go dancing on Saturdays. Great music, great vibe, and only $8 to get in. Some friends and I ended up there a few weeks and stayed until they turned on the lights. It's not a ug party, but as clubs go, it's top notch. Mad props to the junkie who pointed us there: Him: "You guys like jungle?" Us: "Yeah!" Him: "You should go check out Cat's Club, right over there." Us: "Thanks, man!" Him: "Can I have a dollar?" This was after being strip-searched on the way into 1015 (ok, not quite strip-searched, but it's still no fun), paying $20, and then leaving after about 20 minutes because it really SUCKED. That junkie made our night. [Marcine Perry ] > thanks for the link, ari...but why does the music have to be > "Industrialalternativegoth 80's dance?" not that i don't love a good NIN > tune every once in a while as much as the next girl, but maybe i'll have to > start the city's first junglist/bondage night. i'm giggling just thinking > about it... anyone wanna sign up to be a go-go dancer? heeheehee :) > > > >From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing > >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:37:27 -0700 > > > >http://www.sfstation.com/clubs/cats.htm > > > >[Marcine Perry ] > > > OH MY GOD ! ! ! is there REALLY a club night called bondage a-go-go?!? > >if > > > so, you have to let me know where and when!!! pleeeease? > > > > > > > > > >From: "electric joy boy" > > > >To: freakzone@mindspring.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 16:44:35 -0000 > > > > > > > >That reminds me of this one night at bondage a go go, mmmmhhmmm > > > >oh wait... sorry! > > > > > > > >Actually, that really sucks. I'm not saying that the western world is > > > >perfect or that our governments don't use Gestapo tactics to inhibit > >our > > > >dancing (and drug consumption) freedom but this really puts things in, > >I > > > >think, a proper global perspective. For example, imagine what would > >happen > > > >right now if we tried to throw a "spiritual" tribal full moon > >celebration > > > >in > > > >China or threw a UG in Afghanistan? > > > > > > > >Ben > > > > > > > >--- > > > >http://bhidalgo.tripod.com > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Freak Zone!" > > > >>To: "sfraves" > > > >>Subject: [sfraves] Men and Women Flogged for Dancing > > > >>Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:34:42 -0700 > > > >> > > > >>I guess they aren't doing too much raving in Iran > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>------------ Men and Women Flogged for Dancing ------------ > > > >> > > > >>TEHRAN, Iran - You thought your parents were strict. Fifty > > > >>Iranian men and women between the ages of 18 and 25 were > > > >>rounded up by police for dancing at a party together and were > > > >>later flogged after a court found them guilty of depravity. > > > >>The government-run daily newspaper Iran reports that the > > > >>party-goers received 30 to 99 lashes after they were arrested > > > >>last weekend in an apartment in an upper-class district in > > > >>northern Tehran. The paper quoted the judge as saying that > > > >>the group was celebrating the birthday of the daughter of the > > > >>landlord when they were caught dancing together. Mixed parties > > > >>are banned in Iran on religious grounds and penalties include > > > >>fines, whipping and prison terms. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >> > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >> > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >-- > >Ari there is no spoon > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68311-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:30:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73996 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:30:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73986 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:30:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709213046.79949.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: sf raves Cc: Kenneth Bice In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? I refuse to answer any hypothetical questions. Sorry I had to say that. ^.~ e PLURibus unum --- Kenneth Bice wrote: > > okay so this may not exactly be the right place to > post this > but i wanted to get some peoples opinions on the > situation... > > so my hip hop girlfriend has quite a ghetto > attitude, > she be jackin peeps for their shoes when we are out > on a date... she be muggin fools tryin to get into > fights when we go out to bars... and i really have > a heck of a time gettin her to leave her glock at > home... > > what really bothers me though is when she feels the > need to start freestylin and bustin flows when i > take her out to a very nice restaurant... > beat boxing while the waiter is trying to take our > order... > > well she is honestly a really cool girl once you > get past the years of ghettofication that she > has undergone, but even once you get past that > she still comes across like the ghetto girl > that she was raised to be... > > im just getting tired of her coming home every > night after slangin her crack rocks to the kids > down the street, yellin and bitchin about her > day and how she didnt make her quota, about > the fool she had to cap for not given her the > money he owed her. i guess i think she needs > to leave all this ghetto-ness behind and move > on, maybe get one of them real jobs working > at burger king or maybe even at a store in the > mall. > > well i was just wondering what yall think > about this? any ideas or hints for me? > > laterz > kenneth > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68312-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:31:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77172 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:31:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77140 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:31:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [159.85.240.43] From: "Natalie R" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:31:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 21:31:14.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B331BC0:01C108BE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 80"s Movie Classics Hey, I just remembered one of my 80's classic favorites...Less Than Zero. The book is really good too.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68313-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:40:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86156 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:40:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86146 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:40:07 -0000 X-Authentication-Warning: gabber.ez-e.net: Host zengine-gw2.customer.alter.net [157.130.208.226] (may be forged) claimed to be drghetto.com Message-ID: <3B4A25B4.2090702@drghetto.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:44:20 -0700 From: John Vicondoa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010628 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eck=F6?= CC: osby@ratkoonrat.net, Kenneth Bice , SF Raves List References: <20010709200900.351EB2756@sitemail.everyone.net> <001701c108b9$6f511000$100110ac@thenoid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? Of course it does. But it all depends on what your definition of is, is. -johnv Eckö wrote: >Who the hell are you to say what is ghetto and what is not.. Just because >people don't act the way you want to act does not make them ghetto..Get over >yourselves >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Osby" >To: "Kenneth Bice" ; "SF Raves List" > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:09 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? > > >>That's really sad! =( If you're not happy with her, then break up! If U >> >wanna stay w/ her, then tel her 2 chill the fuck out! Beat Boxing while a >waiter takes your order, now that's totally raunchy!! Hello 2Day!! But if >U think U can help her change her ways, then try! I heard subliminal >messages in favorite songs work! Seriously! Or hypnotizing! > >>== >>Later {8O) >>Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY >> >>_____________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -- -johnv http://drghetto.com e:jvicondoa@yahoo.com aim:BONETO icq:505351 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68314-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:46:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93463 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:46:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93390 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:46:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: =?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?= cc: , SF Raves List In-Reply-To: <001701c108b9$6f511000$100110ac@thenoid> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? dood! "ghetto" is a figure of speech, basically. laterz kenneth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68315-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:50:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99764 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:50:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99753 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:50:47 -0000 From: "G Sauce" To: "Kenneth Bice" , "SF Raves List" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:55:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? I don't know why you feel the need to make fun of people that have less than you. Making fun of the poor is just not cool. It might be fun for you to joke about people selling dope to make ends meet, but that shit is not funny. Your post was pretty tasteless and i feel it is disrespectful to go off like that in such a public forum. Look at the way you are portraying people. Violence and the drug trade is a SAD reality of urban life in poor areas. You shouldn't make fun of that. The way you talk sounds like someone who honestly doesn't think they are racist if you asked them but is inside. check yourself -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:33 PM To: SF Raves List Subject: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? okay so this may not exactly be the right place to post this but i wanted to get some peoples opinions on the situation... so my hip hop girlfriend has quite a ghetto attitude, she be jackin peeps for their shoes when we are out on a date... she be muggin fools tryin to get into fights when we go out to bars... and i really have a heck of a time gettin her to leave her glock at home... what really bothers me though is when she feels the need to start freestylin and bustin flows when i take her out to a very nice restaurant... beat boxing while the waiter is trying to take our order... well she is honestly a really cool girl once you get past the years of ghettofication that she has undergone, but even once you get past that she still comes across like the ghetto girl that she was raised to be... im just getting tired of her coming home every night after slangin her crack rocks to the kids down the street, yellin and bitchin about her day and how she didnt make her quota, about the fool she had to cap for not given her the money he owed her. i guess i think she needs to leave all this ghetto-ness behind and move on, maybe get one of them real jobs working at burger king or maybe even at a store in the mall. well i was just wondering what yall think about this? any ideas or hints for me? laterz kenneth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68316-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:51:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1151 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:51:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1141 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:51:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709215108.94962.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Kenneth Bice , "Eckö" Cc: osby@ratkoonrat.net, SF Raves List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1230989344-994715468=:90744" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? --0-1230989344-994715468=:90744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kenneth Bice wrote: >>dood! "ghetto" is a figure of speech, basically. hahahaha, reminds me of one of my favorite posts... read below....Jess..... On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Niels P. Mayer wrote: > > I continue to be sickened by the use of "ghetto" on this list... >Can't we think of a slightly less insulting term? Ghetto is where my parents and > grandparents were forced to live before being shiped off to a concentration > camp... I really didn't want to think about that today, but it's hard to > disassociate "ghetto" from the thoughts of all the dead relatives you never > met. > > So, how about just saying that this show won't have anything to do with > "rave" or "techno." KRS-1 is old-school Hip-Hop, so anyone expecting the > demographics to be the same as a trance-party needs a good pimp-slapping. Can we just stop using the word "pimp" because it reminds me of the long hours my father and grandfather before him were forced to work, unable to find a legitamate job. Forced to act as the middle men in the oldest profession on Earth. Forced to wear large plumed hats, and talk in funnydialects. 10-4, duh, max --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1230989344-994715468=:90744-- From sfraves-return-68317-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 21:53:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4568 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 21:53:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4558 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 21:53:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709215349.90730.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:53:49 -0700 (PDT) From: The Summer To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (((PHUTURO))) July/August Lineup P > H > U > T > U > R > O tuesdays / the top / 424 haight street / 10pm-2am / 21+ / $5 hosted by Juju Phunckateck Residents and MCDuh July 10th 4REAL [bbs / GS-NY] & JUJU [phuturo] back to back part 2 (((Juju's b-day smashdown!))) 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68318-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 22:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10295 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 22:00:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10242 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 22:00:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709220016.2534.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: David Varbel To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? Calm down people, humor is SUPPOSED to be IRREVERENT! peace --- G Sauce wrote: > I don't know why you feel the need to make fun of > people that have less than > you. Making fun of the poor is just not cool. > It might be fun for you to joke about people selling > dope to make ends meet, > but that shit is not funny. Your post was pretty > tasteless and i feel it is > disrespectful to go off like that in such a public > forum. Look at the way > you are portraying people. Violence and the drug > trade is a SAD reality of > urban life in poor areas. You shouldn't make fun of > that. The way you talk > sounds like someone who honestly doesn't think they > are racist if you asked > them but is inside. > check yourself > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:33 PM > To: SF Raves List > Subject: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my > hip hop girlfriend? > > > > okay so this may not exactly be the right place to > post this > but i wanted to get some peoples opinions on the > situation... > > so my hip hop girlfriend has quite a ghetto > attitude, > she be jackin peeps for their shoes when we are out > on a date... she be muggin fools tryin to get into > fights when we go out to bars... and i really have > a heck of a time gettin her to leave her glock at > home... > > what really bothers me though is when she feels the > need to start freestylin and bustin flows when i > take her out to a very nice restaurant... > beat boxing while the waiter is trying to take our > order... > > well she is honestly a really cool girl once you > get past the years of ghettofication that she > has undergone, but even once you get past that > she still comes across like the ghetto girl > that she was raised to be... > > im just getting tired of her coming home every > night after slangin her crack rocks to the kids > down the street, yellin and bitchin about her > day and how she didnt make her quota, about > the fool she had to cap for not given her the > money he owed her. i guess i think she needs > to leave all this ghetto-ness behind and move > on, maybe get one of them real jobs working > at burger king or maybe even at a store in the > mall. > > well i was just wondering what yall think > about this? any ideas or hints for me? > > laterz > kenneth > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68319-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 22:03:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14962 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 22:03:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14945 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 22:03:11 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "girlcat" , Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:55:59 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010709180743.91737.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] ibiza (in spain, not oakland) Wow, good article--that's an issue I'd really never heard of b4. I'm beginning to have second thoughts on my dream to go to ibiza with a bag 'o' records in hand. .:nomadic:. www.nomadicDJ.com -----Original Message----- From: girlcat [mailto:technoslut23@yahoo.com] Sent: 09 July 2001 11:08 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] ibiza (in spain, not oakland) Importance: Low my friend recently went to ibiza and sent me this scathing review, which i'm passing on to the list. Okay, so now for a more personal note: Spain is great. It truly is. You drink beer in the street at any hour, you can smoke hash in public, pretty much anywhere, the place is littered with political grafitti, posters, shirts, stickers. CNT posters and stickers are everywhere, all over the place. The anarchist presence here is impressive, and there are tons of cool psychedelic people here. We just got back from Ibiza today.   Ibiza. Now here´s a serious fuckin problem. The place is crap. I went with an open mind, assuming it could be both bad and good, but I didn´t realize how much crap I was up against. The place is bizarre, it´s a place where comodified techno dominates society and it´s ugly. Ibiza is a dictatorship of multi-billion dollar clubs.The clubs don´t just co-exist with other businesses, they literally rule over the island. Club Pacha has over 70 clubs world-wide, these are international corporations. They control the press, as they comprise almost exlusively the advertising industry. They are on every billboard, in every paper, in every restaurant, food is named after them, the economy is based around and for the interests of coporate clubs. They control the police, the government and city ordiances, and the law. Police do not interfere with clubs like they do at home, instead they are there to protect them. The role of the police is to clamp down on any renegade parties, to force all patrons in to clubs. Amplified noise is prohibited on the beach after midnight, excluding all bars and restaurants from having ay nighttime beach parties and forcing tourists into overpriced clubs, where water is $5 for a sample size bottle and the tap is salt water. People are literally dropping and passing out in clubs, the floors are littered with broken glass, and are very dangerous from dancesafe perspective. In fact, I have a theory which I´m sure is right. People must die in these clubs. With all of the fucked up pills and crap they suck in, watching people pass out all over the club, there must be some deaths. But you ever hear about deaths in Ibiza clubs. Never. Some of the most unsafe clubs in the world, with millions of people being wild in them every year and never a death? There´s a media black out for sure; clubs own and control the press and the island. Word never gets out. The press is controlled. Furthermore, the security guards are assholes who won´t let you sit down and who rip you off at the door. J. saw two security guards at club Amnesia stop two people who accidentally drove the wrong way in the driveway entrance to the club. They pulled the driver and passenger out through the window, threw them on the ground and beat the shit out of them.The island is horribly commercial, with techno being comodified into pure capitalist crap. The island is full of drunk idiotic British people and ultra-trendy cheeseballs. And there is no shortage at all of bad music. Profit rules the island and you can feel it in the vibe. Clubs here feel like partying under the clutches of an evil despot. The place is evil. Any trace of subculture here is totally undermined and re-packaged as the new breed of party, the mix of ecstay, techno and capitalism, litered with families and MTV jerk-offs. Ibiza is in need of a serious techno revolution, RTS, an actual overthrow of existing corporate club rule replaced by free parties. Don´t come here, we have way better parties with way better people at home.   So, was there anythig good about Ibiza? Yes, of course, but the political reality was so clear to me and disturbing that I had to address that first. We met some cool natives on the island and I asked them if they new of any cool parties that didn´t suck. She told me there were underground parties thrown in the hills and spread by word of mouth to good people. This was encouraging, considering I didn´t think an island like this was totally wasted. But we didn´t get to go to any of them. Some DJs were good, Carl Cox rocked the house in a serious way. We saw Darren Emerson, Sasha, Paul Oakenfold (who really sucked, pass it on),and others. The beaches are beautiful, and there´s at least one bar that throws a free party on the beach every day of the summer, by far the best thing we saw and the coolest people, although this bar is owend by a giant hotel chain which owns half the beach (and is probably actually owned by a club). Priviledge is a seriously large club. It was scary, although worth going to just to see. It´s the biggest in the world and holds 30,000 people. Enormous, with a ship on one side, trees growing in the club, with a floating booth over a huge indoor pool where the DJ is. The sound system is collossal, the music pretty good. It´s the future of entertainment when  techno rules the earth. It´s not just a party, it´s a broadway theatrical with techo and people dancing. There are acrobats swinging through the air, dancers, fire performaces,live sex shows and it´s all in sync with the DJ - build ups break up as perfomerances peak or tricks take place. Out of control. But perhaps the best part of Ibiza is rippig the bastards off. Hotel chains are cake to work over, we ended up gettig to stay 5 free nights in Ibiza, allowing us some vendication in the face of tyranny.   I think I need to write an article about Ibiza. It´s not great, it´s fundamentally evil and the world needs to know it. Corporations destroy everything. The commodification of parties and coporate rule turns good scenes into bad ones; instead of cool people are the party you have total assholes, a direct result of capitalism. Crap. Of all the reviews I read of  Ibiza before we left, not one of them even touched on the obvious fundamental problem of corporate Ibiza. Some complained of crowded clubs, or bad DJs, but the more important issue of what Ibiza means to the future of dance parties was never mentioned. My God! This place has problems.   Okay, I had to get that out. People need to know. The rest of our trip has been awesome, and we had fun in Ibiza despite it all.Hope you´re all well, I gotta go. Feel free to pass on this info to others who think might be interested. Love to all. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68320-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 22:09:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21002 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 22:09:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20991 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 22:09:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [170.20.137.144] From: "Alknod !" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:08:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_65d7_3f7_4b3b" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 22:08:35.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[B30775A0:01C108C3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Ascension Featuring Alex Van Dune v. Macadio ------=_NextPart_000_65d7_3f7_4b3b Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ascension not "Ascention" if you ask me, they are the same but oh well. Gotta love the english language. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_65d7_3f7_4b3b Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:58:50 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f76.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.76]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v79.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYG59-0709165840; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:58:40 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:58:39 -0700 Received: from 170.20.137.144 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:58:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [170.20.137.144] From: "Alknod !" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: BSP: Ascention this Thursday! two 2X4 's! Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:58:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 20:58:39.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE109280:01C108B9] X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Well, 2 sets of 2 djs this thursday night. And my first ever 2X4 with Macadio should be interesting enough. In fact, it will be my first 2X4 ever, so it should provide for an interresting, slaming, head bangin, techno popin,(add your own verb here) evening! This week: 9-11 Alex Van Dune and Macadio 2x4 11-12:15 FuckWork 12:15-close DJ D and Ice-9 2x4 Ascention is in the basement of Blakes in Berkeley off of Telegraph. It's an 18 n up event, bring your ass as you will be shaking it all night long! It's the prefect way to bring in Friday. Alex Van Dune _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_65d7_3f7_4b3b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------=_NextPart_000_65d7_3f7_4b3b-- From sfraves-return-68321-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 22:11:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26554 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 22:11:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26544 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 22:11:14 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.166.247.242] From: "amelia hassberg" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: frequency8@squinky.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 22:10:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 22:10:45.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[0063FE90:01C108C4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] ANARCHY, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION, FREEDOM TO PURSUE HAPPINESS LOTS AND LOTS OF PIPES THAT FLOAT UP UP UP THE SMOKE CIRCLES THAT SPACE INSIDE AND OUT THAT OTHER WORLD, MAZES AND PUZZLES FLOW LIKE A RIVER WITH LOTS OF POWER TOO MUCH LIKE MY SISTER WHO FROWNS BY THE HOUR tiny little men in our head oh all thoes little beads i was stringing my guitar slightly ringing i should play more often GAGAGACCG the cords flow from the smoke god who sends me these words i send u all out a peacefull tune stay safe, be thoughtful and new. >From: Piers Sutton >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency8@squinky.com >Subject: RE: [sfraves] ANARCHY, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION, FREEDOM TO PURSUE >HAPPINESS >Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:28:22 -0700 > >Sounds like a mix of Ann Raynd, Communism, Socialism, and Pipe-dreams lol. > >TurtleTracks > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Vicondoa [mailto:paydro@drghetto.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:23 AM > > To: amelia hassberg > > Cc: innocentchild@hotmail.com; djprotocol7@hotmail.com; > > hg_ent@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org; djd-list@dj-d.com; > > frequency8@squinky.com > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] ANARCHY, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION, FREEDOM TO > > PURSUE HAPPINESS > > > > > > amelia hassberg wrote: > > > > > > > > EVERY ONE STOPPED WORKING IN UNISON > > > THE MACHINE CAME TO A CRASHING HALT > > > CAPITALISM ENDED, SOCIAL CONSCIOUS WAS THE ONLY ROAD TO > > RECONSTRUCTION > > > OF THE UTOPIA > > > EVERYONE INCLUDED, EVERYONE FED, EVERYONE PURSUING THEIR HAPPINESS > > > PEOPLE CARED FOR THEIR BROTHERS, FAMILIA, WE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER > > > RACISM, SEXISM, TORTURE, HATE, GREED, NIHALISM GONE FROM > > > THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE > > > ONE VIBRATION, ONE SOUL, UNITE FOR TRUTH > > > "DON'T GAIN THE WORLD > > > AND LOOSE YOUR SOUL, WISDOM > > > IS BETTER THAN SILVER AND GOLD" (HAIGHT ST. MURAL BOB MARLEY) > > > RISE, RISE, RISE > > > KEEP YOUR NATURAL VIBRATIONS, KEEP YOUR SOUL, > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > Then they all became Communist, and where slaves till the day > > they died. > > The End. > > > > ...workers unite? > > > > -- > > -johnv > > paydro@drghetto.com > > aim:BONETO icq:505351 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68322-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 22:13:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29067 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 22:13:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29044 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 22:13:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.166.247.242] From: "amelia hassberg" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 22:13:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 22:13:16.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A3C5480:01C108C4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NOT RAVE RELATED, OH MY GOD WHAT A CONCEPT, BUT I LOVE RAVES ALL I WANT IS LOVE AND EVERYTHING LIKE YOU I DESIRE TO LIVE TO LIVE IN THE MOMENT THIS MOMENT IS PRECIOUS, THE ONLY REAL VALUE IS THE MOMENT M E O W I L O V E U A L L _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68323-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 22:30:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54111 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 22:30:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54101 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 22:30:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:30:01 -0700 Message-Id: <200107092230.PAA04680@mail24.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.196.48] From: "dj huey" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ron Reeser @ Construction BsP Hello everyone...............just inviting you all out to our weekeley serving of some good ol' house music and once again free to everyone on Sfr so please e-mail back with an RSVP.......... Oh yea, Ron Reeser, Ben Davis, Torque and me playing this weds............ 18+to get down and 21 to get tipsy ------------------------------------------------------------ [- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68324-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 22:37:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61052 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 22:37:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61033 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 22:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01c108c8$2ba1f400$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:40:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C1088D.7DFC9240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Attn SOUTH BAY RAVERS!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C1088D.7DFC9240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wanted to let you all know that we are currently getting more AREA 51 = tixs to Solid Grooves and we apologize for the inconvenience of them = being temporarily sold out. They should have more by the end of today = (Monday) Peace and love, Greg Sandler ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C1088D.7DFC9240-- From sfraves-return-68325-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 22:41:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64080 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 22:41:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64042 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 22:41:38 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:41:29 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: SF Raves List Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20010709224129.URPY12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? i remember when neils posted that and max responded, hilarious! i've been going through my old posts from over the years, and found something i'd posted in 1997 about ghettos and gangstas and that entire thread -- and it'= s pretty identical to what i say today... over and over and over, it always seems to apply! leslie ---------- >From: Jess ica >To: Kenneth Bice , "Eck=96" >Cc: osby@ratkoonrat.net, SF Raves List >Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfrien= d? >Date: Mon, Jul 9, 2001, 2:51 PM > > >Kenneth Bice wrote: >>>dood! "ghetto" is a figure of speech, basically. > >hahahaha, reminds me of one of my favorite posts... read below....Jess....= . > >On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Niels P. Mayer wrote: >> >> I continue to be sickened by the use of "ghetto" on this list... > >Can't we think of a slightly less insulting term? Ghetto is where my par= ents and >> grandparents were forced to live before being shiped off to a concentrat= ion >> camp... I really didn't want to think about that today, but it's hard to >> disassociate "ghetto" from the thoughts of all the dead relatives you ne= ver >> met. >> >> So, how about just saying that this show won't have anything to do with >> "rave" or "techno." KRS-1 is old-school Hip-Hop, so anyone expecting th= e >> demographics to be the same as a trance-party needs a good pimp-slapping= . > >Can we just stop using the word "pimp" because it reminds me of the >long hours my father and grandfather before him were forced to work, unabl= e >to find a legitamate job. Forced to act as the middle men in the oldest >profession on Earth. Forced to wear large plumed hats, and talk in >funnydialects. > >10-4, >duh, >max > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68326-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 23:06:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82261 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 23:06:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82251 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 23:06:14 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010709180743.91737.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010709180743.91737.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:57:56 -0700 To: girlcat , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ibiza (in spain, not oakland) Sort of ironic that you say (in spain, not oakland) since the bay area is one of the more "enlightened" and socially responsible areas of the world. I have never been to Ibiza, but I have heard much about it. Judging by the sheer numbers of the masses of people who go there I'd have to surmise that many of them don't probably give a fuck about the inner workings of that island destination like you do. I'll bet if they did, they probably wouldn't enjoy themselves as much. Personally I enjoyed your take on it and would like others to see it. It's like an expos=E9 on the good time island. It's unfortunate that lots of people seem to lack the global concsience you bring to your understanding of the phenomenon that is Ibiza. I'm trying to see through what you wrote, to read between the lines. Let me ask you this, and not rhetorically either: Could an island with a devoted economic base of tourism, and specifically clubbing (alcohol, drugs, music, dancing, lights) be run any other way in today's world? And would it be as effective? Perhaps the iron fist of control that corporate clubs have over activities in Ibiza is part of what allows it to continue to happen (though I'm sure that creativity does not exactly flourish under such a system.). -blindspot p.s. Okay I know your friend wrote it, but I didn't catch that at first, so sorry. At 11:07 AM -0700 7/9/01, girlcat wrote: >my friend recently went to ibiza and sent me this >scathing review, which i'm passing on to the list. > >Okay, so now for a more personal note: Spain is great. >It truly is. You drink beer in the street at any hour, >you can smoke hash in public, pretty much anywhere, >the place is littered with political grafitti, >posters, shirts, stickers. CNT posters and stickers >are everywhere, all over the place. The anarchist >presence here is impressive, and there are tons of >cool psychedelic people here. We just got back from >Ibiza today. >=DD >Ibiza. Now here=A5s a serious fuckin problem. The place >is crap. I went with an open mind, assuming it could >be=DDboth bad and good, but I didn=A5t realize how much >crap I was up against. The place is bizarre, it=A5s a >place where comodified techno dominates society and >it=A5s ugly. Ibiza is a dictatorship of multi-billion >dollar clubs.The clubs don=A5t just co-exist with other >businesses, they literally rule over the island. Club >Pacha has over 70 clubs world-wide, these are >international corporations. They control the press, as >they comprise almost exlusively the advertising >industry. They are on every billboard, in every paper, >in every restaurant, food is named after them, the >economy is based around and for the interests of >coporate clubs. They control the police, the >government and city ordiances, and the law. Police do >not interfere with clubs like they do at home, instead >they are there to protect them. The role of the police >is to clamp down on any renegade parties, to force all >patrons in to clubs. Amplified noise is prohibited on >the beach after midnight, excluding all bars and >restaurants from having ay nighttime beach parties and >forcing tourists into overpriced clubs, where water is >$5 for a sample size bottle and the tap is salt water. >People are literally dropping and passing out in >clubs, the floors are littered with broken glass, and >are very dangerous from dancesafe perspective. In >fact, I have a theory which I=A5m sure is right. People >must die in these clubs. With all of the fucked up >pills and crap they suck in, watching people pass out >all over the club, there must be some deaths. But you >ever hear about deaths in Ibiza clubs. Never. Some of >the most unsafe clubs in the world, with millions of >people being wild in them every year and never a >death? There=A5s a media black out for sure; clubs own >and control the press and the island. Word never gets >out. The press is controlled. Furthermore, the >security guards are assholes who won=A5t let you sit >down and who rip you off at the door. J. saw two >security guards at club Amnesia stop two people who >accidentally drove the wrong way in the driveway >entrance to the club. They pulled the driver and >passenger out through the window, threw them on the >ground and beat the shit out of them.The island is >horribly commercial, with techno being comodified into >pure capitalist crap. The island is full of drunk >idiotic British people and ultra-trendy cheeseballs. >And there is no shortage at all of bad music. Profit >rules the island and you can feel it in the vibe. >Clubs here feel like partying under the clutches of an >evil despot. The place is evil. Any trace of >subculture here is totally undermined and re-packaged >as the new breed of party, the mix of ecstay, techno >and capitalism, litered with families and MTV >jerk-offs. Ibiza is in need of a serious techno >revolution, RTS, an actual overthrow of existing >corporate club rule replaced by free parties. Don=A5t >come here, we have way better parties with way better >people at home. >=DD >So, was there anythig good about Ibiza? Yes, of >course, but the political reality was so clear to me >and disturbing that I had to address that first. We >met some cool natives on the island and I asked them >if they new of any cool parties that didn=A5t suck. She >told me there were underground parties thrown in the >hills and spread by word of mouth to good people. This >was encouraging, considering I didn=A5t think an island >like this was totally wasted. But we didn=A5t get to go >to any of them. Some DJs were good, Carl Cox rocked >the house in a serious way. We saw Darren Emerson, >Sasha, Paul Oakenfold (who really sucked, pass it >on),and others. The beaches are beautiful, and there=A5s >at least one bar that throws a free party on the beach >every day of the summer, by far the best thing we saw >and the coolest people, although this bar is owend by >a giant hotel chain which owns half the beach (and is >probably actually owned by a club). Priviledge is a >seriously large club. It was scary, although worth >going to just to see. It=A5s the biggest in the world >and holds 30,000 people. Enormous, with a ship on one >side, trees growing in the club, with a floating booth >over=DDa huge indoor pool where the DJ is. The sound >system is collossal, the music pretty good. It=A5s the >future of entertainment when=DD techno rules the earth. >It=A5s not just a party, it=A5s a broadway theatrical with >techo and people dancing. There are acrobats swinging >through the air, dancers, fire performaces,live sex >shows and it=A5s all=DDin sync with the DJ - build ups >break up as perfomerances peak or tricks take place. >Out of control. But perhaps the best part of Ibiza is >rippig the bastards off. Hotel chains are cake to work >over, we ended up gettig to stay 5 free nights in >Ibiza, allowing us some vendication in the face of >tyranny. >=DD >I think I need to write an article about Ibiza. It=A5s >not great, it=A5s fundamentally evil and the world needs >to know it. Corporations destroy=DDeverything. The >commodification of parties and coporate rule >turns=DDgood scenes into bad ones; instead of cool >people are the party you have total assholes, a direct >result of capitalism. Crap. Of all the reviews I read >of=DD Ibiza before we left, not one of them even touched >on the obvious fundamental problem of corporate Ibiza. >Some complained of crowded clubs, or bad DJs, but the >more important issue of what Ibiza means to the future >of dance parties was never mentioned. My God! This >place has problems. >=DD >Okay, I had to get that out. People need to know. The >rest of our trip has been awesome, and we had fun in >Ibiza despite it all.Hope you=A5re all well, I gotta go. >Feel free to pass on this info to others who think >might be interested. Love to all. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68327-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 09 23:39:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18766 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 23:39:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18729 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 23:39:00 -0000 Message-ID: <00c001c1099a$a151f100$fbd0fea9@foothill.net> From: "`black-locust'" To: "Mail List (us-junglist)" , "Mail List (dnb arena)" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:47:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C1095F.F276CE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] COVERSION drums + bass \ sacramento \ 10th.july.2001 (infect) ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C1095F.F276CE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable COVERSION drums + bass a `black-locust' operation: in alliance with circa footwear this week \ : 10th.july.2001 recently relocated from texas and the subforce crew,=20 nstig8 came with the nice demo and backing words of recommendation..=20 so he gets his chance to show sacramento what he's got along side our mic control, mc ragga banton. then.. ( oh shitter! ) from the underworlds of the zulu nation, northstar chapter fooders and mad planet get hip-hop insane in a special edition thirty minute showcase! and! just a week before his band leaves to tour with depeche mode,=20 and as he did in opening for orgy at spots across the nation..=20 raise ( rey osburn of tinfed ) brings out his drum n' bass records=20 for a flex before he takes off. - COVERSION \ drums + bass every tuesday inside the rage. 1890 arden way, sacramento 10pm - 2am \ 18+ \ full bar 21+ dollar drink specials all night! www.black-locust.com - `black-locust' www.c1rcapresents.com - circa presents www.circafootwear.com - circa footwear ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C1095F.F276CE60-- From sfraves-return-68328-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 00:46:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78404 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 00:46:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78394 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 00:46:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710004608.91437.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:46:08 -0700 (PDT) From: ian twenty-three To: speaker jockeys Cc: nastybeats@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] sweet n' nasty (my extended weekend review) hey y'all-- first I poked my head into light thursday night to check out the trance-off which was happening even with a small dancefloor... then immediately on to nasty, which promises to be all that and a bag of chips. purple, red and aqua everywhere. wikked bartender wendy, as promised. sick, sick beats. breakdance moves you haven't seen since... since you had room to dance at a massive. i'll be back... to check out part two... on the twelfth. and then, for three luscious days, sweet. oh. my. f*cking. god. like, *such* a good party. and not just because tony r. looked so fetching in his chippendale bartender outfit (bowtie). and not just because they moved the soundsystem all the way over to the pond on saturday (but that helped). not even because there were wall to wall sick f*cking trance (and all kinda other) beats shaking the clay. or even the very-fuzzy kinda september-child thing of having people hold hands and circle the dancefloor. or because, i, personally, had a bomb-ass time. but because everyone was smiling! (yes, even on friday and sunday afternoons!) dancing! and too busy chilling out and finding shade to throw any! that is what a good party is to me. signed, ian twenty-three, third grade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68329-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 02:07:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30842 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 02:07:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30832 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 02:07:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:07:39 -0700 Message-Id: <200107100207.TAA02202@mail11.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.213.177] From: "dj huey" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Bsp>>FIESTA >>July27 The time is almost here............... Night Life Productions Presents <<>> <<> Dj's for the Night: Ty Teck (casa del sol, Denver), Joey Mazzola (solmatic records), DJ Huey (nlp), Ron Reeser (clockwork eventz), DJ Torque (nlp), Allen Craig (nlp), Rudy G (bad puppy) This party is gonna be bumpin' so come through and support the house comunity. Sound by EAW, Lighting by Raven and Visual by Brian B from chicago. We've been working really hard to making this happen :) Virgin Location, All Ages $20.00 Pre sales @ Skill, Housewares, Solid Grooves hone in>>>>>>415-721-4610 ------------------------------------------------------------ [- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68330-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 02:08:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31732 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 02:08:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31682 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 02:08:03 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: "leslie ayres" Cc: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:19:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010709210431.JKDK9548.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Come Unity? Come Unity!! Leslie Ayres wrote: > > but i'll be at thump friday having a hard time between the main > room and the > back room, which way to go, decisions decisions! > > love, > leslie > Well, Leslie, I'll be there thumpin' too on Friday. One of my favorite parties and I get to dress up in all my Day-Glo gear 'n stuff:) Love the vibe. And the music. I'm a psy-trance fan and lookin' forward to PAPS from France, as well as our own Greg Sandler. Then there's two really fierce guys, David Coleman and Sen-Sei, in the house room along with Ellen Ferrato, Simon and others... Yes, so many choices, so much music, so little time... See you on the dancefloor again!!! Much love, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68331-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 02:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54962 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 02:36:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54935 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 02:36:05 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [199.108.50.40] From: "Augie Dogg" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:35:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 02:35:34.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF251620:01C108E8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] woah, see ya at area 51 hey there, well after finally settling down in LA, and being away from email for a week, i'm back to filter through 900+ emails of crap and pointless posts about sell out promotions, flame wars, and booty calls =). but i will be back home for area 51- believe the hype y'all this event is going to be awesome! how often do you see a party these days with the crazy space/alien theme and vibe? the lineup is sick and i sure do miss partying, especially in the bay area. hope to see some of you on the 21st. peace, aug dogg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68332-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 03:31:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3803 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 03:27:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3289 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 03:23:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.51] From: "veronica la rosa" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:23:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 03:23:28.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFE63470:01C108EF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync or going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you choose? Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a different performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with your friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high pitched scream... -Veronica- PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68333-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 04:00:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16413 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 03:57:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10990 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 03:39:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.48] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: djhuey@crackdealer.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:39:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 03:39:06.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF26B140:01C108F1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Ron Reeser @ Construction BsP ummm you forgot to disclose the info about the location. For people that are new to the scene or just moving back here might want to know where to go. Thanks for the info! peace, aaron >From: "dj huey" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Ron Reeser @ Construction BsP >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:30:01 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [205.188.196.48] >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD137B75004C400438D6D185531608A00; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:30:13 -0700 >Received: (qmail 54111 invoked by uid 1104); 9 Jul 2001 22:30:10 -0000 >Received: (qmail 54101 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 22:30:10 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-68323-aaronhdixon Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:31:23 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-Id: <200107092230.PAA04680@mail24.bigmailbox.com> >X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >Hello everyone...............just inviting you all out to our weekeley >serving of some good ol' house music and once again free to everyone on Sfr >so please e-mail back with an RSVP.......... >Oh yea, Ron Reeser, Ben Davis, Torque and me playing this weds............ >18+to get down and 21 to get tipsy > >------------------------------------------------------------ >[- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68334-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 04:07:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27666 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 04:07:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26497 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 04:06:06 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <015301c108f5$8d6b1720$0500000a@cryptowhore.org> From: "Nathan Seven" To: "veronica la rosa" , References: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:05:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory Do you know what that sound was? That was the sound of me choking on vomit. (somebody else's) -- "Educating the heads of eight lonely beggars..." LOOK: New email address! "scosol@yahoo.com" AIM: IMFDUP ----- Original Message ----- From: "veronica la rosa" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory > Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync or > going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory > parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you choose? > Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a different > performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with your > friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... > > Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high > pitched scream... > > > -Veronica- > > PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come > together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68335-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 04:58:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70740 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 04:58:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70729 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 04:58:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010606232026.855.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: elias smith To: Brian Mortell , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010606201856.20118.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] my philosophy on female dj's or Who is the biggest brown Noser of them all Hey brian... Megatron is a pretty good DJ and a fantastic guy at that. You are a fucking idiot. You do the math. I don't know anything about you or your production crew, but it sounds to me like you've let a little success go to your head. In my book that's called ARROGANCE. And most people would agree that arrogant people are the scum of human society. It's pretty sad that you fit the category so well. Great impression you've made of you and your production crew to San Francisco. Because your pathetic ramblings are most of us have to go off of now. Save what little face you've got left and for the love of GOD, stop posting, because you've made quite a fool of yourself so far. -g --- Brian Mortell wrote: > since you posted a private message back to the list, > I > would like to let eveyone know that you definitely > made our list, but out of respect for the longest > running sf jungle party we excluded you. BUT.... > > Since you are being a punk, we'll let you and the > list > know that you and Magatron are basically about as > cool > as Mikey J.... > > Hey, you think you would ever have another gig if > you > didn't play for free, promote for the parties, and > brown nose all day every day. Or better yet, if E > ended, everyone who treats you like you have > something > to do with the local scene would dump your > skill-less > mp3 dub-plate playing ass like yesterdays waste. Not > to mention that scratching aint mixing, and can make > the crowd ill when over-used (megatron) > > ===== > Brian Mortell > Sanctify Productions > The Midwest's Biggest and Best > 312-777-4001 XT 7965 > bmortell@onebox.com > sanctifyprod@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68336-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 05:05:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78600 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 05:05:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78590 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 05:05:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.161] From: "Becca Plevin" To: souperfly@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 22:05:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 05:05:18.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9EC9A70:01C108FD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory OH MY GOD. Who are you, and what the hell did you do with Veronica??? Yeah, um.... I think that's it. Seriously, though- if I don't see your ass dancing out under the stars with me, I might go on an insane boy-band-killing rampage and you will next hear from me when I am arrested for breaking into Joey Fatone's house with an AK-47. :-D Becca >From: "veronica la rosa" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:23:28 -0000 > >Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync or >going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory >parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you choose? >Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a different >performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with your >friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... > >Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high >pitched scream... > > >-Veronica- > >PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come >together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68337-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 05:12:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84626 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 05:12:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84616 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 05:12:48 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c108fe$f2cbea50$8d3385d1@koala> From: "Stranger" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:12:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TranceForce night at "Progress" 7/11/01 TranceForce night at "Progress" 7/11/01 Wensday July 11th Trance Force Records night @ Progress DJ KORIS (SubVision Records, Geneva, Switzerland) "Gate One" (Maxell & Stranger of Trance Force) Kam (TranceForce) Ecko (TranceForce) 3$ 21+ 10-2 @ "Liquid" 2925 16th st, SF --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68338-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 05:13:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85981 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 05:13:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85970 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 05:13:55 -0000 Message-ID: <003801c108ff$1c6ad290$8d3385d1@koala> From: "Stranger" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:13:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TranceForce night at "Progress" 7/11/01 TranceForce night at "Progress" 7/11/01 Wensday July 11th Trance Force Records night @ Progress DJ KORIS (SubVision Records, Geneva, Switzerland) "Gate One" (Maxell & Stranger of Trance Force) Kam (TranceForce) Ecko (TranceForce) 3$ 21+ 10-2 @ "Liquid" 2925 16th st, SF -- A aka Stranger http://www.tranceforce.ch --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68339-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 05:16:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88305 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 05:16:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88281 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 05:16:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710051627.51340.qmail@web9807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:16:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: David Varbel , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010709220016.2534.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfriend? drugs have been around since the beginning of time. they give people hope to achieve a better life. who are you to criticize how somebody makes their money? ever shopped at the gap or worn nikes? the human rights violations committed by these corporations are atrocious compared to the antics of a simple crack dealer on the street. he might shoot you for your money, but he wont try to put you and your family into economic enslavement. --- David Varbel wrote: > Calm down people, humor is SUPPOSED to be > IRREVERENT! > > peace > > --- G Sauce wrote: > > I don't know why you feel the need to make fun of > > people that have less than > > you. Making fun of the poor is just not cool. > > It might be fun for you to joke about people > selling > > dope to make ends meet, > > but that shit is not funny. Your post was pretty > > tasteless and i feel it is > > disrespectful to go off like that in such a public > > forum. Look at the way > > you are portraying people. Violence and the drug > > trade is a SAD reality of > > urban life in poor areas. You shouldn't make fun > of > > that. The way you talk > > sounds like someone who honestly doesn't think > they > > are racist if you asked > > them but is inside. > > check yourself > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:33 PM > > To: SF Raves List > > Subject: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with > my > > hip hop girlfriend? > > > > > > > > okay so this may not exactly be the right place to > > post this > > but i wanted to get some peoples opinions on the > > situation... > > > > so my hip hop girlfriend has quite a ghetto > > attitude, > > she be jackin peeps for their shoes when we are > out > > on a date... she be muggin fools tryin to get into > > fights when we go out to bars... and i really have > > a heck of a time gettin her to leave her glock at > > home... > > > > what really bothers me though is when she feels > the > > need to start freestylin and bustin flows when i > > take her out to a very nice restaurant... > > beat boxing while the waiter is trying to take our > > order... > > > > well she is honestly a really cool girl once you > > get past the years of ghettofication that she > > has undergone, but even once you get past that > > she still comes across like the ghetto girl > > that she was raised to be... > > > > im just getting tired of her coming home every > > night after slangin her crack rocks to the kids > > down the street, yellin and bitchin about her > > day and how she didnt make her quota, about > > the fool she had to cap for not given her the > > money he owed her. i guess i think she needs > > to leave all this ghetto-ness behind and move > > on, maybe get one of them real jobs working > > at burger king or maybe even at a store in the > > mall. > > > > well i was just wondering what yall think > > about this? any ideas or hints for me? > > > > laterz > > kenneth > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68340-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 06:01:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8272 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 06:01:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8260 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 06:01:49 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c10905$cd1c3970$8d3385d1@koala> From: "Stranger" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:01:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] You want pictures? Been to www.tranceforce.ch lately? recent update include: Invasion_7_7_01 All_For_The_Love_7_8_01 Atomic_by_Thump_Radio_June_30 and TONS more -- A. aka Stranger http://www.tranceforce.ch --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68341-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 06:08:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11615 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 06:08:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11605 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 06:08:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.162] From: "innocentchild" To: "veronica la rosa" , References: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:07:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 06:07:50.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[A64B96F0:01C10906] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory Let's say you got backstage somehow and managed to get into the dressing room what would you do? a) sexually assault all members in a giant gang bang b) sexually assault only one while the others sang c) watch the members have circle jerk in front of you d) realize that you should be at a cloudfactory party with your friends instead of listening to pre-packaged crap pop. difficult choice I know for some 18yo girl with a high pitched scream and raging hormones. tack up a picture to the wall and relieve yourself. It will all be better... ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "veronica la rosa" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory > Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync or > going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory > parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you choose? > Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a different > performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with your > friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... > > Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high > pitched scream... > > > -Veronica- > > PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come > together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68342-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 06:13:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14176 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 06:13:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14166 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 06:13:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.23] From: "veronica la rosa" To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:13:01 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 06:13:01.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F9B5140:01C10907] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory <> Wow! Ryan's right again. That did make me feel a lot better. I guess I know where I'm going that night. My friends have made it pretty damn clear that I should get over N Sync. *sigh* Does this mean I'm growing up? -Veronica- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68343-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 06:21:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17091 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 06:21:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17081 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 06:21:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.23] From: "veronica la rosa" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:20:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 06:20:36.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E6D4DD0:01C10908] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: 80's Concerts Speaking of me going to concerts... I just remembered all the great 80's bands that are playing at Konocti Resort in the next two months. Poison and Warrant are playing on the same night. Journey has a show there. And so does Huey Lewis and the News. I, for one, am ecstatic that I get to see Journey. You know, I never really liked them until I started making fun of my friend (his dad was the drummer). Then I found their songs getting stuck in my head. And their Behind the Music was just so *moving* And I always had a crush on the singer from Poison. That's when I was like 6 or 7 though. -Veronica- PS: Konocti is about 3 hours north of San Francisco. Journey is SO worth the drive. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68344-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 06:24:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18813 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 06:24:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18803 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 06:24:28 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: "veronica la rosa" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.94] Message-Id: <20010710062427.47404274F@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory Hello 2Day, OK, ummm, I think I would go 2 *NSYNC! I mean, no offense to CF & stuff, but I am a big *NSYNC fan & I'm bummed I can't go to their concert this month! Ooooh=( But Veronica, U can go 2 CF & I'll go 2 *NSYNC for U!! NO if was BsB, CF all the way!!! I mean, I'm sorry to hear that Howie is suffering this depression thing & they have to call off 20 dates on their tour, but Oh Well! *NSYNC RULES!!!! =) --- "veronica la rosa" > wrote: >Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync or >going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory >parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you choose? >Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a different >performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with your >friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... > >Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high >pitched scream... > > >-Veronica- > >PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come >together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68345-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 07:02:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32750 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 07:02:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32740 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 07:02:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.59] From: "Becca Plevin" To: souperfly@hotmail.com, innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:02:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 07:02:03.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[3921C0B0:01C1090E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >From: "veronica la rosa" >To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:13:01 -0000 > <> No, because... ::drumroll please:: HJBC is a state of mind!!! Alida? Back me up? :-P Becca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68346-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 07:34:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44248 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 07:34:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44221 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 07:34:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710073443.82089.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:34:43 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ~*SUBMERGE*~ Friday(AUG.10.2001)(2 ROOMS/12 Performers) *BSP* Friday, August 10th, 2001 XTORT Presents...*SUBMERGE* It’s time to get deep, it’s time to Submerge into the greatest sounds ever. Featuring TWO rooms of non-stop energy, featuring: DYLOOT (SKILLS, SF) SIMON APEX (Subsonic Underground) MORGAN (LOTEK Records, SF) DRAGN’FLY (Teknique, Epiphany) AMBER (Epiphany, SF) KOMA (FUSED, SF ) RIGATONY (Sagitariun Productions) DJ PAT (Teknique, Fresno) DUSTY BROWN (XTORT) (LIVE Performance) SASCHA23 (XTORT) DJ WARREN (XTORT) SAPPHIRE (XTORT) + More TBA.... ALL AGES 16+ WELCOME... FREE posters/cds/stickers to the first 150 people courtesy of ASTRALWERKS, NETTWERK, and ADV Films along with giveaways from XTORT. AMAZING visuals from EYELUSIONS SOUND: TEKNIQUE. LIVE Air-Brush Performance by WWW.SONTI.COM Doors open: 8pm-4am TICKETS: $12 before 11pm, $14 after… XTORT:http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net XTORT'S DATABASE: 916.565.6677 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68347-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 07:58:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54688 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 07:58:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54643 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 07:58:07 -0000 From: DJDrakonis@aol.com Message-ID: <4d.e045cc7.287c0f73@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:57:39 EDT To: hobbit94720@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4d.e045cc7.287c0f73_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: DDR (Dance Dance Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) --part1_4d.e045cc7.287c0f73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is only one thing I can say to this..... I've been playing it for almost a year now.... www.ddrfreak.com..... thats our whole norcal groups site for DDR..... and then www.y2keith.net is my own groups site... check it out... there are also videos from my past tournaments on the ddrfreak site..... There is a huge tournament comin up on August 11th so let me know if you would like to join me and my friends and see what Dance Dance Revolution is all about...... :) Your welcome... DJ Drakonis --part1_4d.e045cc7.287c0f73_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68348-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 09:07:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85160 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 09:07:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85150 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 09:07:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.105.21] From: "Sly Williams" To: david@weekly.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:06:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 09:06:51.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[A887E900:01C1091F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? There is a club called Queens on the main strip in Paris, it opens up real late, but there have good house music there. Also there is the world famous Buddha Bar. The bad thing about clubs in Paris is 1)they are really uppity about there clubs its like a members only type thing, but let them know you are from the states and they usually will let you in. 2) During the months of July-September a lot of the DJ's are on vacation in Ibiza. You should try to check out Pepe Bradock or Laurent Garnier when you are out there if they are in town. If you can try to catch a train or a small flight out to Cannes. The people out there are much nicer, and they have an excellent house and techno scene. If you make it to Cannes go to Limelight Records or to Twiggy and they can help you find the good parties. Ask for Nico at Limelight he is a really good guy. Peace Sly-Diggity >From: "David E. Weekly" >To: >Subject: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:01:37 -0700 > >Hey all, > >I'm going to Paris at the end of the month; I've dreamed for years about >the >possibility of getting to go dancing to live French house music! I'm >pumped! I >am told though, that you really have to know where to go; anybody have any >good suggestions for places to dance to house in Paris? =) > >Love, > -david > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68349-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 11:14:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47366 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 11:14:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47356 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 11:14:01 -0000 From: "David E. Weekly" To: "Sly Williams" , Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:02:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? Sly, Super tips; thanks so much! =) Just curious: are there any other ways I can make sure to get onto the "members lists" before I'm in Paris? Like if I write people letters, email folks, etc? Every time I listen to Radio FG I hear the little ad for "Desole, ceci est un soiree privee." ("Sorry, this is a private party.") I'll definitely check out Cannes if I've got the time. ^_^ Love, -david -----Original Message----- From: Sly Williams [mailto:djsly7@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:07 AM To: david@weekly.org; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? There is a club called Queens on the main strip in Paris, it opens up real late, but there have good house music there. Also there is the world famous Buddha Bar. The bad thing about clubs in Paris is 1)they are really uppity about there clubs its like a members only type thing, but let them know you are from the states and they usually will let you in. 2) During the months of July-September a lot of the DJ's are on vacation in Ibiza. You should try to check out Pepe Bradock or Laurent Garnier when you are out there if they are in town. If you can try to catch a train or a small flight out to Cannes. The people out there are much nicer, and they have an excellent house and techno scene. If you make it to Cannes go to Limelight Records or to Twiggy and they can help you find the good parties. Ask for Nico at Limelight he is a really good guy. Peace Sly-Diggity >From: "David E. Weekly" >To: >Subject: [sfraves] Clubbing In Paris? >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:01:37 -0700 > >Hey all, > >I'm going to Paris at the end of the month; I've dreamed for years about >the >possibility of getting to go dancing to live French house music! I'm >pumped! I >am told though, that you really have to know where to go; anybody have any >good suggestions for places to dance to house in Paris? =) > >Love, > -david > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68350-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 12:41:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88820 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 12:41:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88798 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 12:41:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710124115.57203.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] APHEX TWIN fans...New Album:) This definitely made our night...one of our biggest influences and one of the most talented electronic composers of our time has a new double cd release coming:) Read below.... New Aphex Twin double-album confirmed A brand new Aphex Twin album, entitled 'drukqs' was mastered last week in London. We have no other news regarding the album other than this, but it is official and there is expected to be 30 new tracks. For more info....http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/barcodexl/ Xtort: http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net Xtort Database: 916.565.6677 Xtort Contact: xtortproductions@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68351-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 14:44:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87641 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 14:44:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87631 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 14:44:10 -0000 Message-ID: From: Piers Sutton To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:43:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfrien d? And a crackhead isn't in economic enslavement to his dealer? Hahahah, ok. TurtleTracks > -----Original Message----- > From: dank smoker [mailto:dj_dopamine151@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:16 PM > To: David Varbel; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop > girlfriend? > > > drugs have been around since the beginning of time. > they give people hope to achieve a better life. who > are you to criticize how somebody makes their money? > ever shopped at the gap or worn nikes? the human > rights violations committed by these corporations are > atrocious compared to the antics of a simple crack > dealer on the street. he might shoot you for your > money, but he wont try to put you and your family into > economic enslavement. > --- David Varbel wrote: > > Calm down people, humor is SUPPOSED to be > > IRREVERENT! > > > > peace > > > > --- G Sauce wrote: > > > I don't know why you feel the need to make fun of > > > people that have less than > > > you. Making fun of the poor is just not cool. > > > It might be fun for you to joke about people > > selling > > > dope to make ends meet, > > > but that shit is not funny. Your post was pretty > > > tasteless and i feel it is > > > disrespectful to go off like that in such a public > > > forum. Look at the way > > > you are portraying people. Violence and the drug > > > trade is a SAD reality of > > > urban life in poor areas. You shouldn't make fun > > of > > > that. The way you talk > > > sounds like someone who honestly doesn't think > > they > > > are racist if you asked > > > them but is inside. > > > check yourself > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:33 PM > > > To: SF Raves List > > > Subject: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with > > my > > > hip hop girlfriend? > > > > > > > > > > > > okay so this may not exactly be the right place to > > > post this > > > but i wanted to get some peoples opinions on the > > > situation... > > > > > > so my hip hop girlfriend has quite a ghetto > > > attitude, > > > she be jackin peeps for their shoes when we are > > out > > > on a date... she be muggin fools tryin to get into > > > fights when we go out to bars... and i really have > > > a heck of a time gettin her to leave her glock at > > > home... > > > > > > what really bothers me though is when she feels > > the > > > need to start freestylin and bustin flows when i > > > take her out to a very nice restaurant... > > > beat boxing while the waiter is trying to take our > > > order... > > > > > > well she is honestly a really cool girl once you > > > get past the years of ghettofication that she > > > has undergone, but even once you get past that > > > she still comes across like the ghetto girl > > > that she was raised to be... > > > > > > im just getting tired of her coming home every > > > night after slangin her crack rocks to the kids > > > down the street, yellin and bitchin about her > > > day and how she didnt make her quota, about > > > the fool she had to cap for not given her the > > > money he owed her. i guess i think she needs > > > to leave all this ghetto-ness behind and move > > > on, maybe get one of them real jobs working > > > at burger king or maybe even at a store in the > > > mall. > > > > > > well i was just wondering what yall think > > > about this? any ideas or hints for me? > > > > > > laterz > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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I don't. http://art.okstate.edu/vrl/3623-ren/Ren0002.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68353-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 15:42:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31711 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 15:42:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31701 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 15:42:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.21] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:41:48 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 15:41:48.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4CA26E0:01C10956] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp**DDR@STEREOPHONIK** Wednesday July 11th STEREOPHONIIK ONE YEAR ANNIVESARY With the delightfull AAAAAACCCCCCIIIIIIDDDDDDDD of DDR (SMITTEN, STAY UP FOREVER) DOING A LIVE PA AMBER KEITH EDWARDS VS DAMON BLAIR all this for 7 dollars at the Cactus Club, 417 S 1st St. San Jose, Ca 18 and up. Be sure to check out FOCUS on the 13th. Both STEREOPHONIK and SECRET SOCIETY will be there en masse. Top Secret Location. Three Rooms. Awsome Lineup. One more thing, Listen to Solace on 90.5 KSJS from 7 to 10 Thursday eve. HEs nice. He let me play records;). Blair STEREOPHONIK _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68354-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 15:50:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38251 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 15:50:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38229 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 15:50:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:50:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Charlie To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (BSP) Frequency 8 CampOut [Sept. 8th & 9th] Frequency-8 Campout September 8th and 9th (Sat & Sun) 15,000 capacity an hour north of San Francisco. It's not in the Willits area (as far as I was told) Keep an ear out for flyers and ticket information. They'll be popping up soon. :o) Sorry thats all the info I have right now. I ran into Mars briefly this weekend and told me to pass this info to you guys, so here it is. - Charlie charlie@safemail.com http://www.ravepictures.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68355-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 16:13:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65552 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 16:13:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65500 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 16:13:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710161337.60679.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:13:37 -0700 (PDT) From: das To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, killasubz@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] killasubz - stereophonic - bsp (or the other southbay event) hey guys, this week at killasubz, we've got robbliss - know1 - das - hak same place, time and everything. come on down, get a drink and hang out with us. we'd really love you if you did!!!!!! also for you techno freaks, DDR is playing in the stereophonic room. so, if you're not into the jungle thing, at least come see this man. have a good week! ===== aim: dasthedj icq: 101064644 killasubz/urbanassault/lucid productions http://www.urbanassault.org http://www.killasubz.com http://djdas.djcentral.com http://www.junglist.com/profiles/das/ southbay ghetto bass : forward thinking culture __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68356-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 16:58:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20182 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 16:58:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20171 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 16:58:16 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com, latethump@topica.com From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:59:25 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-201-80-37.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.37]; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:58:12 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP CandyGarden This Friday, July 13! An organic playground for bio-electric machinelles. Tickets are now on sale for 15 dollars for a limited presale (200), $20 regular pre-sale, and $25 door. You can get your presales at: Skills Dj Workshop (berkeley) Frequency 8 (san fran) The Clove (santa rosa- NO SERVICE FEE!) Harmonics (santa rosa) Subsonic Underground (sac) Lineup Just added: *Dj Spyhunter*, from HAWAII! And... Shaman Failure Simon Apex Telene Uphonic Elemental (DJ/VJ - live visual mixes) Iris Kid DJ DJ D Pistachio Anonymous More TBA this week! All ages till 4am 750 capacity. 200 free candi-coloured glo-stix Free coffee all night Tons of free candy (of course) Free energetic massages all night by certified professionals More free stuff TBA. This venue is one of the coolest we've seen, and not to be missed. .complete with cages and platforms to dance on and in, full concessions, raised DJ booth, giant outdoor smoking garden, plus amazing bluegreen art and props. Fully permitted and secured...make sure not be left out of this event!!! For this event we are not going to invest in 2 foot by 3 foot flyers, as we want the ravers who actually are more influenced by quality and vibe to come. Not SIMPLY flyer size (how boring). We want to invest in lazerz, lighting, beats, sound, the venue, and super cool props and flyers, AND give the rest away in FREE stuff...we just aren't size queens here at bluegreen, and are a little annoyed with this mentality where ONLY flyer size counts. Oh well...We'll get over it. We love you guys who still know what it's about. Come on out and have a great time. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68357-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 17:02:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28248 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 17:02:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28238 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 17:02:26 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B4B3596.12AA4203@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:04:23 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] air last nite...wow anyone else make it out to the air show @ the warfield last nite?? the lights were so rad! from the beginning when they walked out to the end of the second encore we were going nuts. some of my favorites were 'how does this make you feel', 'talisman' and of course the rendition of sexy boy they closed with. i had no idea that they were gonna play completely live.. the drummer kicked ass that guy kinda looked like he had a morrissey vibe but played like he was possessed and also the bassist/vocalist was really good too. out of the 3 shows i've been to in the past couple weeks (coldplay, radiohad, air) this was the most fun- largely because they were totally smiling and having a great time on stage and that wore off on the crowd i met the photographer from the chronicle there- she was really friendly and told me that her pics would be up on sfgate.com by tmmw..but even better she has a webpage, www.sodachrome.com that has pics from a lot of the other shows shes photographed- coachella included. i was able to grab a copy of the setlist after the show so if anyone has a ? about the set, let me know =) so anyways, if you ever have a chance to catch this band i totally recommend it. nima --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68358-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 17:06:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32212 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 17:06:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32191 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 17:06:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710170629.28421.qmail@web14702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:06:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "dancin.darcy" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Please Help!!!!!! Does anyone have a link to DRC's website? I know I've been to it but have been having trouble finding it. Thanks! Darcy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68359-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 17:13:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44239 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 17:13:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44229 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 17:13:40 -0000 Message-ID: <007601c10964$3acd7ed0$3702000a@netcorps.com> From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: "dancin.darcy" , References: <20010710170629.28421.qmail@web14702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:17:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Please Help!!!!!! Her site is down, it is usually up at : http://www.twinsoul.com You may want to do a searches on google for other sites and info on her. DRC is one of my favorite people I've met through throwing parties, plus she's a rockin' dj. - jeremy http://www.asr-family.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dancin.darcy" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: [sfraves] Please Help!!!!!! > Does anyone have a link to DRC's website? I know I've > been to it but have been having trouble finding it. > > Thanks! > > Darcy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68360-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 17:20:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53149 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 17:20:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53124 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 17:20:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:56:38 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List , Reno Raves , "Fresnoraves@Hyperreal.Org" , F-8 List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B4B33C6.900572B8@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Rave Video Footage Needed!!! If you have any video footage, or know anyone that has any from ANY raves, particularly any Maritime, or Oakland (HB , 2nd/jax, 85th... etc) please contact me and let me know which parties or events you have video from. If we use your footage, you will be compensated. Thanks, and please reply back asap. Keep it mellow, Vlad --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68361-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 17:23:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57481 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 17:23:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57471 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 17:23:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710172348.94779.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: The Summer To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (((PHUTURO))) Tonite: 4REAL//JUJU B2B PART 2!! ( ( (P H U T U R O) ) ) PHUNCKATECK RESIDENTS//MCDUH TUESDAYS // THE TOP // 424 Haight // 21+ // $5 // SF Tonite is JUJU's Birthday Smashdown!!! Come Celebrate with us... Tonite's playa's doing a back2back part 2::: 4 R E A L (BBS/Groundscore-SF) J U J U (Phuturo/Renegade-SF) COMING UP THIS MONTH::: July 17th: SAGE (Phylum/Groundscore) July 24th: DJ DZ (Lostrack-Texas) MC TYGREENO (Lostrack-Texas) July 31st: MARCUS INTALEX (Soul:r/Metalheadz/31 Recordings-UK) ABSTRACT (Subtitles/Pneuma-SF) go to www.phuturo.com for more info about Juju... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68362-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 17:25:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59145 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 17:24:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59135 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 17:24:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: leslie.ayres@sflnc.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, dregaron@yahoo.com, josh@cloudfactory.org, apollo@speakeasy.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:24:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 17:24:31.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E7CEB10:01C10965] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] come-unity last friday having been to a few of these things now, i feel like i can make some comments (the idea of a "review" seems weird to me)...once again it was a very enjoyable night. i'm really sorry i missed the list folks i didn't get to see, and especially regret not being able to help welcome Dreg...however, seeing Apollo is always a pleasure, and it was good to meet Doug. I'm pretty crap when it comes to conversation at these things, though, since i'm generally busy "losing (my)self to the music" (as someone said the other day). i wound up running late, and as a result missed Simon entirely, and i'm really sorry i did, since his set was my favorite at last month's Come-Unity...the Memory Man performance was cool, and they generally did a good job of mixing in the live instruments. the guitarist was better when he stuck to augmenting the groove than when he soloed, though...their set seemed to lose focus a bit toward the end. kind of house-meets-Underworld-meets-Electric Skychurch. Jeno rocked the house, but i like Simon's selections better...just my personal aesthetic. but it worked for me :o) when i noticed--at a bit past three--that i wasn't actually dancing per se any more, but rather standing there nodding my head to the beat and watching the DJ, i figured it was time to go home, and Doug was kind enough to run me home. thanks again, Doug. i just love the visuals at Come-Unity...high-tech, yet funky, without that overbearing 2001: Levitz vibe that commercial clubs can have. it really adds to the psychoactive aspect of the experience (and i say this as someone whose strongest "club drugs" are green vegetable matter and Red Bull). if i were to gripe about anything, it wouldn't be about the non-house DJs (which i hardly heard...though my listening preference is more for techno, when i dance my feet want house!) though i did notice that the DJ setup for the breakbeat deck was actually indoors behind the bar and that the DJ had an un-openable plate-glass window between her and the speakers as well as having to work around the bartender, and that may have affected the quality of the cuts...last month's DJs on the outside decks were quite competent. rather, i'd point out a couple of things: the most unfortunate of these was that the sound system in the house room was distorting...last month's system was clear, powerful, and still loud enough that it made the water in my bottle vibrate in a most unusual way, but this month's was actually *too* loud, was noticeably breaking up in the low end, and seemed attenuated in the upper treble as well...i don't think they were getting much above 10.5 or 11KhZ out of those stacks at all. looked like the speaker stacks had EQ on their amps, so it wouldn't have been that hard to fix. not so bad as to be unbearable, but noticeable. the minor aggravation is that since Come-Unity generally gives over both outside decks to some form of breakbeat stuff, there's 1. a Breakbeats Redundancy Factor in effect and 2. there's really no quiet place to sit down and rest your legs and ears...the cross-talk between the systems covers all the outside areas where you can sit down. also, some additional seating wouldn't go amiss. but i don't want the minor constructive criticisms to outweigh the genuine joy which i get from this event...which remains my favorite of the ones i've been to so far. great, happy crowd. it's too early in the day to be more articulate than that. hope to see y'all next time. or at Thump. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68363-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 17:57:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4844 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 17:57:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4832 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 17:57:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:02:23 -0700 From: Brynne and Hernan In-reply-to: <994466284.84852.ezmlm@hyperreal.org> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (VRR) Music related but 'cryptic' I was a little disturbed to see, on the various media, "computer experts", saying to the nation "Napster is dead, now file sharing is dead". I thought to myself, this isn't very accurate reporting. But then I realized how important it is that the mainstream public holds a funeral for file sharing. It is sort of like a good UG that you don't want the cops (or fratboys) to find out about. D.L. So if anybody asks me I will say "File Sharing? There is no file sharing to speak about" I just want to say how sad I is that there is no file sharing now that Napster is dead, boo hoo. Please don't respond to this email telling me that it is alive. I saw it on TV, so you a liar. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68364-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 18:02:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18472 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 18:02:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18462 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 18:02:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710180214.49781.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] consider the demographics nrr if your looking for something to do, why not join me in this contemplation....there are a lot of married men who are opened to cheating on their wives...now, by cheating, i don't mean someone who is in an opened relationship with their wife where there is discussion of such things and a healthy emotional state for everyone involved... i am talking about the type of person who seeks to lash out at women in general...i am talking about a deliberate attack meant to hinder and/or injure the well-being of everyone involved for the entertainment of the bored, aging male (now this could be a reverse situation too..i.e. women who seek to cheat on their husbands)...if you go out in the world, and that includes our parties and club nights, there will be a ton of these people there. since last night, i have been contemplating just how many of these types of people have been propositioning me in my life. i have absolutely no idea what the numbers are, but every once in a while a face and sometimes a name pops into mind ( i am only thinking about the formally married ones...then, there are also the ones who are attatched in some way to a mate who also will lie for sex, attention and to hate and lash out at people for their unhappiness). people i have known for years now who are married and have children who are angry at their spouses and their parents have begun to approach me too. i am beyond offended. as an entertainer, i find it most unappealing to make a show for this type of an audience. it goes against everything i believe in, but as well, if that's whose out there, then what am i to do if i would like to eat, and if you don't enjoy entertaining these kinds of people either, and you are somehow involved in working with the public, then what is anyone to do? there are a lot of social problems in the world, and this one is just a small one really when you think about other things like how these people also are the ones who are also simultaneously abusing children, animals, the earth, and most of all themselves...that's usually where it all starts.... uncontrollable self-hatred turned outwardly is why you sometimes have to listen to stories of shootings on the news. i feel angry about all of the degrees of disrespect and hate so many people feel comfortable sharing with me. i am not so comfortable with it, so why should they be. i was also thinking about the first time a man who i did not know who was outside of my family tried to make problems for me by wanting to discuss our "relationship" with me. most people do not know who you are really. keep that in mind the next time they try to "help" you or the next time they try to start a "discussion" with you. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68365-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 18:05:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25389 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 18:05:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25353 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 18:05:28 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:05:16 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010710180518.LPNJ12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] why massives are fun - area 51 for years, we've debated the advantages of massives (big-name acts, variety, the energy that can come only from thousands of people) vs. undergrounds (gathering with friends, home talent, the intimacy of smaller numbers) one of the parties that has combined both of those for me has been area 51. i remember the first time i heard of area 51, i was in seattle (at a party at the groovaliscious house, for those who remember that cool converted theater) and my friends were all getting ready to drive down to "cali" (where did that word come from?) for area 51. i think that was the year it was at the richmond center, legendary, and i missed it. then i went a few times, always impressed with the visuals and decorations (dutch has huge talent at psychedelic decor, as seen in the main room at thump every month), and with the variety in the lineup -- and with the fact that my friends were always there, because area 51 was never a kiddie rave, it was always for those of us who were going to see djs we might not otherwise see. two years ago, at the last one when greg and the harmony crew got involved it, i worked the outside line -- it was rather nightmarish, because it was 85th and baldwin, and the fire marshall had lots of last-minute hoops for the promoters to jump through -- causing one major headache of a traffic jam outside, and i spent several hours trying to keep people orderly, telling the homey-g's that no, they cannot push past me and cut in the line, excuse me, i don't think you understand that i'm taking to YOU!... it was crazy. other than that (which wreaked some definite havoc on the outside, and the people waiting there), the night went off big-time. i remember dancing later in front of mistress barbara and looking around and seeing so many friends there, with a huge smile and a great feeling. i'm excited about the next area 51 on the 21st -- i've never seen meat beat manifesto, i love that there is an "intoxication zone" with alcohol and house music (simon and tony are just two great names) for the 21up crowd (i do like to have a chance to groove with a cocktail when i can), and there are so many big names and so much big talent booked, it should be incredible. so why am i writing this? because i know there are a lot of you old-school groovers who think "massives" are no fun and only filled with kiddies -- and i want you to know that area 51 has always been different than that, it's always drawn a more sophisticated crowd. so don't hesitate to come out and have a great time at this one. it's a party with a history and a commitment to quality, thrown by people who have thrown legendary parties in the bay area for many years (and yes, greg and dutch are my friends, but that's not what's prompting this) and i'm also an evangelist for the old-school folks staying active in the larger scene where the younger kids come, because they need us there -- they need to see us dancing, and having fun, and behaving responsibly, and showing them that it's not just something teens do as a phase, but that dance culture is an important lifestyle for many responsible contributing citizens... like me and you. i also want to see us show the world that large entertainment events like this, events that bring in top-tier electronic talent, are really important for us to have -- and that we really do go for the music and to dance together. the future of our entire scene is teetering on an edge right now... because the media represents us as stupid kids who are lured by easy drugs to these events, which are being portrayed as having *nothing* to do with music, and *everything* to do with drugs... AND THAT IS WRONG!!! so come out to area 51, folks, and dance with me and with thousands of people you know, and people you will get to meet, and people who, though you may never exchange more than a smile with them, are part of your subculture, making music, dancing, and having an awesome time!!! i look forward to seeing you there! much love, leslie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68366-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 18:07:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32039 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 18:07:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32017 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 18:07:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [153.18.148.70] From: "sarah qadri" To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, souperfly@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:06:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 18:06:50.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[17AF9C60:01C1096B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory i'm sorry but there is something about screaming at the top of your lungs because the boy that you love more than life itself is "singing" and thrusting to the music, and having it be not only accepted but EXPECTED. ha! to answer ryan's question, i think i would e) grab my favorite member and take him home with me so i could put him in a box and play with him every day and show him off when company came over.....hmm, is that too psychotic?? yes it is! no really, i wouldn't skip a cool party unless it was for the BSB. and veronica, you don't really get over them because they are JUST SO CUTE. sarah >From: "innocentchild" >To: "veronica la rosa" , >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:07:00 -0700 > >Let's say you got backstage somehow and managed to get into the dressing >room what would you do? > >a) sexually assault all members in a giant gang bang >b) sexually assault only one while the others sang >c) watch the members have circle jerk in front of you >d) realize that you should be at a cloudfactory party with your friends >instead of listening to pre-packaged crap pop. > >difficult choice I know for some 18yo girl with a high pitched scream and >raging hormones. tack up a picture to the wall and relieve yourself. It >will >all be better... > >ryan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "veronica la rosa" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:23 PM >Subject: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory > > > > Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync >or > > going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory > > parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you >choose? > > Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a d ifferent > > performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with >your > > friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... > > > > Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high > > pitched scream... > > > > > > -Veronica- > > > > PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come > > together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > è _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68367-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 18:07:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32982 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 18:07:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32862 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 18:07:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [153.18.148.70] From: "sarah qadri" To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, souperfly@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:06:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 18:07:02.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E759EA0:01C1096B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory i'm sorry but there is something about screaming at the top of your lungs because the boy that you love more than life itself is "singing" and thrusting to the music, and having it be not only accepted but EXPECTED. ha! to answer ryan's question, i think i would e) grab my favorite member and take him home with me so i could put him in a box and play with him every day and show him off when company came over.....hmm, is that too psychotic?? yes it is! no really, i wouldn't skip a cool party unless it was for the BSB. and veronica, you don't really get over them because they are JUST SO CUTE. sarah >From: "innocentchild" >To: "veronica la rosa" , >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:07:00 -0700 > >Let's say you got backstage somehow and managed to get into the dressing >room what would you do? > >a) sexually assault all members in a giant gang bang >b) sexually assault only one while the others sang >c) watch the members have circle jerk in front of you >d) realize that you should be at a cloudfactory party with your friends >instead of listening to pre-packaged crap pop. > >difficult choice I know for some 18yo girl with a high pitched scream and >raging hormones. tack up a picture to the wall and relieve yourself. It >will >all be better... > >ryan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "veronica la rosa" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:23 PM >Subject: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory > > > > Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync >or > > going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory > > parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you >choose? > > Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a d ifferent > > performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with >your > > friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... > > > > Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high > > pitched scream... > > > > > > -Veronica- > > > > PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come > > together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > è _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68368-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 18:07:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33574 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 18:07:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33549 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 18:07:42 -0000 From: ProjektNine@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:06:37 EDT To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_db.17178612.287c9e2d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP - ((( PROJEKT:9 ))) Parties This Weekend!! --part1_db.17178612.287c9e2d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Projekt:9 will be hosting the upstairs room for Limelight on Thursday July 12th. We will be hosting the outdoor trance room for Club Ibiza on July 14th... Celsius Will Be Spinning @ FOCUS on Friday, July 13th ___________________________________________ LIMELIGHT - Rhythm Thursdays (18+) 930pm-2am July 12th - Celsius (Projekt:9) - Meiko (Projekt:9) - Shon (Projekt:9) FOCUS - Neuroscience/Mindgames (All Ages) - July 13th - Morgan (Lotek Records) - Telene (Earcandy, Progress) - Neuropsyentist (Neuroscience) - Leon Cook (Neuroscience) - Celsius (Projekt:9) + Many other local DJs CLUB IBIZA - Mecca (21+) 930pm-6am July 14th - Armann The Brainchild (Brainchild Entertainment) - Celsius (Projekt:9) - Meiko (Projekt:9) - Boogie (Trance Factory USA) - Dj Ajax (Ultrasoundz) + Special Guest DJs ___________________________________________ For more info... please check out www.clublimelight.com and www.hotelibiza.com http://www.projekt-9.com AIM - Celsius Projekt9 Email - Celsius@Projekt-9.com ___________________________________________ THE MECCA (7/14/01) Hosted by :: Randall Rufino, Mike Neves, Ron Lopez, & Conway Liao (Projekt:9) Location: @ Club Ibiza Hotel/Resort - 10 Hegenberger Road, Oakland, CA View When: Saturday, July 14, 9:30pm We cordially invite you & all your friends to one of the many upcoming 21+ sophisticated events of megga proportions to hit the scene. Seeing is beleiving, join us & witness the elegant nightclub / hotel / resort that has the Bay Area talking.You've heard about this place, now come and experience it for yourself, the perfect party to satisfy all your entertainment needs. this SATURDAY JULY 14th , 2001 *THE MECCA* Inside Club IBIZA Hotel / Resort 10 Hegenberger Road. Oakland, CA. www.hotelibiza.com/ FOR THE 21 and OVER One of the newest and brashest clubs scenes in the Bay Area is Hotel Ibiza. Epic parties featuring guest djs from around the world, Hotel Ibiza sizzles day and night with its own special groove. The club and bar are designed by Fun Display, internationally-recognized creators of Backflip, Mercury, Sno-Drift and Dot. Pleas join us this Saturday July 14th for THE MECCA @ Ibiza =========================== *CELSIUS Arena Hosted by Projekt:9* Trance / Soulful House / NRG -Armann the Brain Child (Brainchild Ent) -Celsius (Projekt:9) -Meiko (Projekt:9) -Jaxx the Ripper (Ultrasounz) -Jayvi Velasco (Groove Industry) -DJ Von (Matrix Ent) -DJ Boogie (Platinum) =========================== *Main Room Head Bangaz* Dancehall / HipHop / Breaks / Old Skool -Shortkut (Triple Threat DJ / World Famous Beat Junkie) -Chris the Rebel (Wild 949) -Derrick D (Rock Force Crew/ Beat Lounge) -Mr E (Da Joint / In:stru[mental] / NV) -Butter B (Matrix Ent.) -Rayzrkus & Hostyle (Platinum Ent.) ============================ *To get an all around experience with this event, book one of the 74 ultra-plush,hotel rooms for your own after-party!Perfect for Birthday parties, couples,private parties, etc.Reserve your room TODAY! Call 510.383.9888 Mention that you're attending The Mecca event on July 14th and get your own room for only$119.00 (reg.@$219) + 2 complimentary passes.Take a look www.hotelibiza.com/IBZroomsrates.html Only The MECCA @ the IBIZA gives you; -9:30pm - 6am party hours -3,000 Capacity space -3 Dance Arenas -VIP Booths & Room -Plenty of FREE parking -Olympic size pool + Jacuzzi -74 party rentable rooms -Tiki garden -Tranquil waterfall -Koi pond -Massive indoor & outdoor bars -State of the art Sound & Lighting -Friendly Staff & Security -You have to see it to believe it! For the limited and exclusive VIP Guest List please reply with your & your guest(s) First & Last names no later than 1pm Sat. to this email Platinum816mike@aol.com .Feel free to pass this email to all of your closest friends. Experience something fresh & definatly worth while... we welcome you to THE MECCA @ Ibiza ======================== ***Directions*** www.hotelibiza.com/IBZgettingto.html -Just 15 minutes away from downtown San Francisco. -Ibiza Hotel is located at 10 Hegenberger Rd. Oakland, CA. -Quarter mile east of the Oakland International Airport -1.5 mile north of the San Leandro Marina; -1 mile west of highway 880. *From 880 NORTH and SOUTH Take the Hegenberger Rd exit. --part1_db.17178612.287c9e2d_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68369-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 18:14:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52563 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 18:14:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52470 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 18:14:09 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:23:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Found an ID at Serenity!!!!, Paging James Lowen Young Looking for a James Lowen Young, III..If anyone has any info or can get in touch with him, let him know i found his licence. If I dont get a responce I am going to mail it to the address on the ID, but I am afraid it is an old one..Let me know Magick AKA Laith laith@jps.net AIM : mrlaither143 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68370-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 18:38:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40045 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 18:38:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39831 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 18:38:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710183832.89199.qmail@web9808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:38:32 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Piers Sutton , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem with my hip hop girlfrien d? nobody forces him to take that first hit. --- Piers Sutton wrote: > And a crackhead isn't in economic enslavement to his > dealer? Hahahah, ok. > > TurtleTracks > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dank smoker > [mailto:dj_dopamine151@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:16 PM > > To: David Varbel; sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: RE: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem > with my hip hop > > girlfriend? > > > > > > drugs have been around since the beginning of > time. > > they give people hope to achieve a better life. > who > > are you to criticize how somebody makes their > money? > > ever shopped at the gap or worn nikes? the human > > rights violations committed by these corporations > are > > atrocious compared to the antics of a simple crack > > dealer on the street. he might shoot you for your > > money, but he wont try to put you and your family > into > > economic enslavement. > > --- David Varbel wrote: > > > Calm down people, humor is SUPPOSED to be > > > IRREVERENT! > > > > > > peace > > > > > > --- G Sauce wrote: > > > > I don't know why you feel the need to make fun > of > > > > people that have less than > > > > you. Making fun of the poor is just not cool. > > > > It might be fun for you to joke about people > > > selling > > > > dope to make ends meet, > > > > but that shit is not funny. Your post was > pretty > > > > tasteless and i feel it is > > > > disrespectful to go off like that in such a > public > > > > forum. Look at the way > > > > you are portraying people. Violence and the > drug > > > > trade is a SAD reality of > > > > urban life in poor areas. You shouldn't make > fun > > > of > > > > that. The way you talk > > > > sounds like someone who honestly doesn't think > > > they > > > > are racist if you asked > > > > them but is inside. > > > > check yourself > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kenneth Bice [mailto:kgb@dreamscape.org] > > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:33 PM > > > > To: SF Raves List > > > > Subject: [sfraves] NSSFSR: Whats the problem > with > > > my > > > > hip hop girlfriend? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > okay so this may not exactly be the right > place to > > > > post this > > > > but i wanted to get some peoples opinions on > the > > > > situation... > > > > > > > > so my hip hop girlfriend has quite a ghetto > > > > attitude, > > > > she be jackin peeps for their shoes when we > are > > > out > > > > on a date... she be muggin fools tryin to get > into > > > > fights when we go out to bars... and i really > have > > > > a heck of a time gettin her to leave her glock > at > > > > home... > > > > > > > > what really bothers me though is when she > feels > > > the > > > > need to start freestylin and bustin flows when > i > > > > take her out to a very nice restaurant... > > > > beat boxing while the waiter is trying to take > our > > > > order... > > > > > > > > well she is honestly a really cool girl once > you > > > > get past the years of ghettofication that she > > > > has undergone, but even once you get past that > > > > she still comes across like the ghetto girl > > > > that she was raised to be... > > > > > > > > im just getting tired of her coming home every > > > > night after slangin her crack rocks to the > kids > > > > down the street, yellin and bitchin about her > > > > day and how she didnt make her quota, about > > > > the fool she had to cap for not given her the > > > > money he owed her. i guess i think she needs > > > > to leave all this ghetto-ness behind and move > > > > on, maybe get one of them real jobs working > > > > at burger king or maybe even at a store in the > > > > mall. > > > > > > > > well i was just wondering what yall think > > > > about this? any ideas or hints for me? > > > > > > > > laterz > > > > kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! > Mail > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68371-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 18:57:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4727 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 18:57:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4688 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 18:57:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710185732.73081.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Fraser To: leslie ayres , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010710180518.LPNJ12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] why massives are fun - area 51 aw, geez, I was planning to NOT go and now I read this.... doug --- leslie ayres wrote: > for years, we've debated the advantages of massives > (big-name acts, variety, > the energy that can come only from thousands of > people) vs. undergrounds > (gathering with friends, home talent, the intimacy > of smaller numbers) > > one of the parties that has combined both of those > for me has been area 51. > i remember the first time i heard of area 51, i was > in seattle (at a party > at the groovaliscious house, for those who remember > that cool converted > theater) and my friends were all getting ready to > drive down to "cali" > (where did that word come from?) for area 51. i > think that was the year it > was at the richmond center, legendary, and i missed > it. > > then i went a few times, always impressed with the > visuals and decorations > (dutch has huge talent at psychedelic decor, as seen > in the main room at > thump every month), and with the variety in the > lineup -- and with the fact > that my friends were always there, because area 51 > was never a kiddie rave, > it was always for those of us who were going to see > djs we might not > otherwise see. > > two years ago, at the last one when greg and the > harmony crew got involved > it, i worked the outside line -- it was rather > nightmarish, because it was > 85th and baldwin, and the fire marshall had lots of > last-minute hoops for > the promoters to jump through -- causing one major > headache of a traffic jam > outside, and i spent several hours trying to keep > people orderly, telling > the homey-g's that no, they cannot push past me and > cut in the line, excuse > me, i don't think you understand that i'm taking to > YOU!... it was crazy. > other than that (which wreaked some definite havoc > on the outside, and the > people waiting there), the night went off big-time. > i remember dancing later > in front of mistress barbara and looking around and > seeing so many friends > there, with a huge smile and a great feeling. > > i'm excited about the next area 51 on the 21st -- > i've never seen meat beat > manifesto, i love that there is an "intoxication > zone" with alcohol and > house music (simon and tony are just two great > names) for the 21up crowd (i > do like to have a chance to groove with a cocktail > when i can), and there > are so many big names and so much big talent booked, > it should be > incredible. > > so why am i writing this? because i know there are a > lot of you old-school > groovers who think "massives" are no fun and only > filled with kiddies -- and > i want you to know that area 51 has always been > different than that, it's > always drawn a more sophisticated crowd. so don't > hesitate to come out and > have a great time at this one. it's a party with a > history and a commitment > to quality, thrown by people who have thrown > legendary parties in the bay > area for many years (and yes, greg and dutch are my > friends, but that's not > what's prompting this) > > and i'm also an evangelist for the old-school folks > staying active in the > larger scene where the younger kids come, because > they need us there -- they > need to see us dancing, and having fun, and behaving > responsibly, and > showing them that it's not just something teens do > as a phase, but that > dance culture is an important lifestyle for many > responsible contributing > citizens... like me and you. > > i also want to see us show the world that large > entertainment events like > this, events that bring in top-tier electronic > talent, are really important > for us to have -- and that we really do go for the > music and to dance > together. the future of our entire scene is > teetering on an edge right > now... because the media represents us as stupid > kids who are lured by easy > drugs to these events, which are being portrayed as > having *nothing* to do > with music, and *everything* to do with drugs... AND > THAT IS WRONG!!! > > so come out to area 51, folks, and dance with me and > with thousands of > people you know, and people you will get to meet, > and people who, though you > may never exchange more than a smile with them, are > part of your subculture, > making music, dancing, and having an awesome time!!! > i look forward to > seeing you there! > > much love, > leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68372-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 18:58:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6197 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 18:58:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6162 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 18:58:30 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: "leslie ayres" , Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:09:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010710180518.LPNJ12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] why massives are fun - area 51 Leslie Ayres wrote: > so come out to area 51, folks, and dance with me and with thousands of > people you know, and people you will get to meet, and people who, > though you > may never exchange more than a smile with them, are part of your > subculture, > making music, dancing, and having an awesome time!!! i look forward to > seeing you there! well this old school dancer will be out there with ya' at area 51 helping to spread the vibe and i hope other "geriatric ravers" on this list represent. time for us all to dance together as one. love, apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68373-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 19:06:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30044 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 19:06:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29963 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 19:06:35 -0000 Message-ID: From: Piers Sutton To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:05:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Foam Party or Focus Hey! Can anyone tell me if the foam party this coming Sat. is still on and does anyone have the BSP for Focus handy? Thanks! TurtleTracks ============================================================================ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information content in the email is of a privileged and confidential nature and is intended only for use by the intended addresses of original author of this mail. If you believe you have received this email in error or are for any reason unauthorized to be in receipt of this information, please respond to this email indicating accordingly and immediately remove all copies of it from your computer and hard drive. You acknowledge and understand that the unauthorized use of any confidential information of SST would cause harm to SST for which legal damages would be inadequate. As such, you understand and acknowledge that SST reserves its rights to utilize any equitable remedies available to protect its interests in such information in addition to any legal damages it may seek against any unauthorized use of this information. ============================================================================ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68374-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 19:08:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37424 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 19:08:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37412 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 19:08:48 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:08:39 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010710190841.PBZK12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] why massives are fun - area 51 i would LOVE to see all the geriatric ravers out there -- i wonder what we can do to be visible and invite conversation and interest from the crowd there? maybe we can make a flyer of "10 reasons to rave your whole life long" and hand them out -- that would inspire some interesting thoughts and conversations with the kids, i'm sure! apollo? doug? kari? and some of you not-over-30-yet but been-partying-for-years folks want in on it? leslie > >well this old school dancer will be out there with ya' at area 51 helping to >spread the vibe and i hope other "geriatric ravers" on this list represent. >time for us all to dance together as one. > >love, > >apollo > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68375-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 19:15:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54667 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 19:15:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54653 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 19:15:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.133.51.18] From: "Michael Moreno" To: sarahqadri@hotmail.com, innocentchild@hotmail.com, souperfly@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:14:51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 19:14:52.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[98714160:01C10974] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory Why must we separate the two? If the respective parties were willing, perhaps a special crossover party could be organized. Start thinking now about the 2x4 that you want to see. Team up your favorite Back Street Boy with your favorite CF DJ. >From: "sarah qadri" >To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, souperfly@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:06:58 -0700 > > >i'm sorry but there is something about screaming at the top of your lungs >because the boy that you love more than life itself is "singing" and >thrusting to the music, and having it be not only accepted but EXPECTED. >ha! >to answer ryan's question, i think i would e) grab my favorite member and >take him home with me so i could put him in a box and play with him every >day and show him off when company came over.....hmm, is that too >psychotic?? >yes it is! no really, i wouldn't skip a cool party unless it was for the >BSB. and veronica, you don't really get over them because they are JUST SO >CUTE. > >sarah > >>From: "innocentchild" >>To: "veronica la rosa" , >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:07:00 -0700 >> >>Let's say you got backstage somehow and managed to get into the dressing >>room what would you do? >> >>a) sexually assault all members in a giant gang bang >>b) sexually assault only one while the others sang >>c) watch the members have circle jerk in front of you >>d) realize that you should be at a cloudfactory party with your friends >>instead of listening to pre-packaged crap pop. >> >>difficult choice I know for some 18yo girl with a high pitched scream and >>raging hormones. tack up a picture to the wall and relieve yourself. It >>will >>all be better... >> >>ryan >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "veronica la rosa" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:23 PM >>Subject: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >> >> >> > Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync >>or >> > going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory >> > parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you >>choose? >> > Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a d ifferent >> > performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with >>your >> > friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... >> > >> > Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high >> > pitched scream... >> > >> > >> > -Veronica- >> > >> > PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come >> > together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >è >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68376-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 19:17:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60675 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 19:17:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60637 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 19:17:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:05:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Haskovec To: Michael Moreno cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory This has to be one of the best sfr threads in a long time. Carry on... ;-) dan On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Michael Moreno wrote: > > > Why must we separate the two? If the respective parties were willing, > perhaps a special crossover party could be organized. Start thinking now > about the 2x4 that you want to see. Team up your favorite Back Street Boy > with your favorite CF DJ. > > > > > >From: "sarah qadri" > >To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, souperfly@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory > >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:06:58 -0700 > > > > > >i'm sorry but there is something about screaming at the top of your lungs > >because the boy that you love more than life itself is "singing" and > >thrusting to the music, and having it be not only accepted but EXPECTED. > >ha! > >to answer ryan's question, i think i would e) grab my favorite member and > >take him home with me so i could put him in a box and play with him every > >day and show him off when company came over.....hmm, is that too > >psychotic?? > >yes it is! no really, i wouldn't skip a cool party unless it was for the > >BSB. and veronica, you don't really get over them because they are JUST SO > >CUTE. > > > >sarah > > > >>From: "innocentchild" > >>To: "veronica la rosa" , > >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory > >>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:07:00 -0700 > >> > >>Let's say you got backstage somehow and managed to get into the dressing > >>room what would you do? > >> > >>a) sexually assault all members in a giant gang bang > >>b) sexually assault only one while the others sang > >>c) watch the members have circle jerk in front of you > >>d) realize that you should be at a cloudfactory party with your friends > >>instead of listening to pre-packaged crap pop. > >> > >>difficult choice I know for some 18yo girl with a high pitched scream and > >>raging hormones. tack up a picture to the wall and relieve yourself. It > >>will > >>all be better... > >> > >>ryan > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "veronica la rosa" > >>To: > >>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:23 PM > >>Subject: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory > >> > >> > >> > Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync > >>or > >> > going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory > >> > parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you > >>choose? > >> > Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a d ifferent > >> > performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with > >>your > >> > friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... > >> > > >> > Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high > >> > pitched scream... > >> > > >> > > >> > -Veronica- > >> > > >> > PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come > >> > together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >è > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68377-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 19:20:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69397 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 19:19:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69365 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 19:19:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710191953.2985.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:19:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Michael Moreno , sarahqadri@hotmail.com, innocentchild@hotmail.com, souperfly@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1377865394-994792793=:98645" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory --0-1377865394-994792793=:98645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Michael Moreno wrote: >>Team up your favorite Back Street Boy with your favorite CF DJ. Yes! I get all giddy just thinking about it... #1 groupie- Jess Why must we separate the two? If the respective parties were willing, perhaps a special crossover party could be organized. Start thinking now about the 2x4 that you want to see. >From: "sarah qadri" >To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, souperfly@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:06:58 -0700 > > >i'm sorry but there is something about screaming at the top of your lungs >because the boy that you love more than life itself is "singing" and >thrusting to the music, and having it be not only accepted but EXPECTED. >ha! >to answer ryan's question, i think i would e) grab my favorite member and >take him home with me so i could put him in a box and play with him every >day and show him off when company came over.....hmm, is that too >psychotic?? >yes it is! no really, i wouldn't skip a cool party unless it was for the >BSB. and veronica, you don't really get over them because they are JUST SO >CUTE. > >sarah > >>From: "innocentchild" >>To: "veronica la rosa" , >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:07:00 -0700 >> >>Let's say you got backstage somehow and managed to get into the dressing >>room what would you do? >> >>a) sexually assault all members in a giant gang bang >>b) sexually assault only one while the others sang >>c) watch the members have circle jerk in front of you >>d) realize that you should be at a cloudfactory party with your friends >>instead of listening to pre-packaged crap pop. >> >>difficult choice I know for some 18yo girl with a high pitched scream and >>raging hormones. tack up a picture to the wall and relieve yourself. It >>will >>all be better... >> >>ryan >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "veronica la rosa" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:23 PM >>Subject: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory >> >> >> > Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync >>or >> > going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory >> > parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you >>choose? >> > Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a d ifferent >> > performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with >>your >> > friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... >> > >> > Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high >> > pitched scream... >> > >> > >> > -Veronica- >> > >> > PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come >> > together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >è >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1377865394-994792793=:98645-- From sfraves-return-68378-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 19:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94379 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 19:30:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94358 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 19:30:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:37:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Plastic Nuclear Ferret To: "that ravin' mailin' list" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Nasty! @ the Cellar (Thursday 8/12) Thursday July 12th: XJS and Linzee present: NASTY! - SECOND NIGHT! 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Quick! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68379-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 19:31:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96839 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 19:31:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96788 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 19:31:49 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:40:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Paging Honey at StillDream Does anyone have a way of getting in touch with Honey at Still Dream, she wrote in my Book but put the wrong number, can someone email me any info..Thanx Magick AKA Laith --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68380-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 19:34:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5746 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 19:34:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5683 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 19:34:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710193433.19696.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Edwards To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ))Set Times For Stereophonik 7/11(((DDR))) Hello all I know you are probably tired of seeing thes post so I will make this brief! 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68381-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 19:50:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28126 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 19:50:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27959 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 19:50:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:48:36 -0700 From: SKP To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <0GG9002QBWG2S1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.5 X-Return-Path: skp@pacbell.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] LimeWire - napster altrernative FUCK THE RIAA !! Good article about Gnutella... the Limewire client I downloaded last night that runs on this network, it works great. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2001/07/10/g nuc leus.DTL The New Napster The Record Industry Has Met its Match Hal Plotkin, Special to SF Gate Tuesday, July 10, 2001 If the recording industry thought Napster was a headache, it's going to get a genuine migraine from the latest version of Gnucleus, a free Windows-based open source software program released last month for the Gnutella file-sharing network. The recently improved Gnucleus software is one of several clients such as LimeWire and BearShare that run on the Internet's self-organizing Gnutella network. The software programs combine the shared contents of constantly shifting clusters of about 10,000 or so linked personal computers into searchable interactive archives. Like the now-defunct Napster, the Gnutella clients make sharing songs over the Internet simple and easy. But some of them are owned by private companies, which could conceivably be shut down should the courts eventually conclude they are facilitating illegal file sharing. But not Gnucleus. It can't be put out of business by the record industry or the government, because it's not a business, it's just a piece of free software. The programmer behind Gnucleus has no commercial aspirations. Instead, he says that all he has done is create a new tool for sharing files, one that works without its author exerting any control over it and without him having any knowledge about which files are being shared. Ironically, the recording industry's own lawyers have done the most to help push users toward the legally invulnerable Gnutella network, for which the snazzy new Gnucleus software was written. Last year, the Gnutella file-sharing network was a distant threat and a poor substitute for Napster, mostly because it didn't have enough users, which in turn made it hard to find many popular songs. But shutting Napster down was like squeezing on one end of a digital sausage. The recording industry simply (and entirely predictably) pushed users toward Gnutella. Even an entry-level programmer could have told the record execs that file-sharing through a centralized Napster-like service would have been far easier to control than will ever be the case with Gnutella. As of today, there are already hundreds of thousands of music files available for free on the burgeoning Gnutella network along with all sorts of other media files, including full-length episodes of TV shows such as Seinfeld and The Simpsons, and even one 15-part file purporting to be the latest Star Wars movie. In recent weeks, in fact, former Napster users have been downloading Gnutella clients so fast that some of their file-distribution sites have been brought to a crawl. But there's one critical difference between Napster and the Gnutella network, over which the new open source Gnucleus software operates. Gnutella's decentralized network architecture makes it impossible for the government to shut the service down without changing the basic way the Internet operates or violating long-established constitutional protections against illegal searches and seizures. Because it can't be shut down, the new Gnucleus software promises to finally force a day of reckoning for the music industry. The question now is whether artists will continue to allow people to distribute their material over the Internet without any opportunity for payment or whether they will at long last rise up and demand that their record companies start making those songs available online legally and at reasonable prices. In the meantime, file sharing is out of the bottle and won't be stuffed back in. The fact that Gnucleus is open source and Windows based means it runs on most computers and will be available permanently, says John Marshall, the 18-year-old New Hampshire high school student who led a team of about a half-dozen other contributors who created the program. "I got tired of what was happening to other file-sharing services," he says. "I wanted to create something that couldn't be shut down or taken away." Marshall learned computer programming out of a book purchased just two years ago. Soft-spoken and modest, he has resisted making Gnucleus available on the most popular software-download sites, preferring to wait until he has time to make additional improvements. Nonetheless, he's already fended off several offers from firms wanting to buy the software for use as an advertising platform, similar to the competing closed-source BearShare Gnutella client, whose advertising practices some users find annoying. "I'm not going to sell out," Marshall says flatly. "That's why it's open source. There's no way anyone can own it." Despite his obvious talent for programming, Marshall plans to study manufacturing engineering at a New England college in the fall. "I don't have any interest in doing computer science," he says. "I've worked for enough computer companies already to know that's not what I want to do." Marshall's Gnucleus software comes with a few complications. One of the program's main deficits, at least for now, is an almost complete lack of documentation -- in particular, any form of user manual. Marshall says most new Gnucleus users are having pretty good luck just downloading the program and figuring it out for themselves. That's easier than it sounds, because the Gnucleus software is remarkably intuitive, particularly for those familiar with the way Napster worked. When the software is installed and activated, a "connection" screen searches out other online members of the Gnutella network and notes how many files are available for sharing. All users have the option of sharing or not sharing files. Some Gnutella network-software clients also give users the option of locking out the approximately 10 to 20 percent of users, on average, who don't share anything. Once a search command is initiated, the software quickly queries all the linked computers and returns a list of those that have a copy of the requested file or files. If directed to do so, the software then cycles through the list and downloads all requested files, moving from computer to computer as necessary until each task is complete. The software works in the background, giving users the freedom to ignore it. Downloads can sometimes be pretty slow, so many users leave the software up and running 24/7. The program automatically restricts access to just those files each user wants to share. Marshall says he hopes future versions of the software will support simultaneous downloads of different parts of the same file from different computers. That's important, in part, because Gnutella clients are usually being scanned constantly for files of interest to other users, which creates a steady stream of bandwidth-hogging data in both directions. Most Gnutella clients also let users bring up a screen that displays a list in real time of what other users, who are not identified, are looking for. While it may be possible to shut down the for-profit companies that provide some of the competing Gnutella clients, there's no clear and easy way to get ride of the Gnutella network itself. The list of files available for sharing is stored and constantly refreshed by each individual computer, not on a centralized server operated by any one company. Closing down the Gnutella network would require breaking down the door of every person on the network and confiscating their computers. And even that wouldn't do the trick, because membership in the Gnutella network changes every second as computer users around the globe log in and out. The record industry would need the equivalent of a worldwide strike force. "You just can't shut down the whole network," says Marshall. "If you disconnect some computers, the others will just reconnect to each other. The network re-forms itself. It won't fall easily." The Gnutella network pits two well-established legal rights against each other: the right to protect copyrighted materials and the right of citizens to be secure in their homes from the threat of unreasonable searches and seizures. It will be interesting to see how the courts resolve that conflict. The clearly established precedent, however, is that a merchant (read: record company) has no right to indiscriminately search homes or personal mail (read: computers and email) for stolen property just because they think someone might have burglarized their store. It's possible, of course, that the courts may eventually rule that commercial rights trump civil rights. But if that happens, the country we now know will have ceased to exist. There is still time, however, even at this late date for the recording industry to at least partially get its digital act together. Public file-sharing services all have one common weakness: authenticating files. Files are not always what they appear to be. Users can go to the trouble of downloading a long music file, for example only to discover it was not correctly labeled (or, in some cases, was maliciously mislabeled). I'm sure many Internet users would welcome the chance to pay reasonable prices for the music they enjoy, particularly if they are assured of getting the files they want. It's not hard to imagine, for example, a more enlightened record company eventually making music files available on the Gnutella network along with certificates of authenticity and a little removable electronic header that invites fans to pay 25 cents or so for each song. Some freeloaders will never pay a dime. But the world has more honest people than thieves. Lots of music fans would gladly pay up but still can't. Unfortunately, there is little chance that will happen until top record-company executives realize that technology has already turned the Internet into a global jukebox. It's a jukebox with considerable untapped potential. Many music lovers would no doubt love more direct contact with their favorite talents, including the opportunity to directly purchase concert tickets in advance or get information about other songs and related products, all of which could put additional money into the hands of artists. It's hard to believe that years after the phenomenally popular online-music revolution began, no one is making any money off music downloads yet. Except, of course, all those lawyers. ____________________________________________ Kevin Bleier Technical Consultant Personic, Inc. 1000 Marina Blvd., 5th Floor Brisbane, CA 94005 (650) 829 - 4153 phone (650) 808 - 1146 fax kevin.bleier@personic.com personic turning information into talent Please visit our web site at www.personic.com. ____________________________________________ This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the recipient(s) named above, and contains information that may be privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify the sender by e-mail and delete this e-mail message from your computer. Thank you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68382-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 19:52:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31354 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 19:52:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31342 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 19:52:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: brandon To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] record sites w/audio? hey all, looking for suggestions on record sites with audio, good selection of house and/or breakbeat/2-step that ships to the US. thanks in advance y'all. brandon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68383-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 20:13:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3190 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 20:13:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3175 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 20:13:03 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com, latethump@topica.com From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:08:52 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-198-207-142.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.207.142]; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:12:57 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP Candy Garden Info Line Ok, looks like the info line # got left off the last post. Here is is: 707.329.9386 An organic playground for bio-electric machinelles. Tickets will be on sale july 1st for 15 dollars for a limited presale (200), $20 regular pre-sale, and $25 door. Lineup includes: Failure Shaman Simon Apex Telene Uphonic Elemental (DJ/VJ - live visual mixes) Iris Kid DJ DJ D Pistachio Anonymous More TBA this week! All ages till 4am 750 capacity. 200 free candi-coloured glo-stix Free coffee all night Tons of free candy (of course) Free energetic massages all night by certified professionals More free stuff TBA. This venue is one of the coolest we've seen, and not to be missed. .complete with cages and platforms to dance on and in, full concessions, raised DJ booth, giant outdoor smoking garden, plus amazing bluegreen art and props. Fully permitted and secured...make sure not be left out of this event!!! For this event we are not going to invest in 2 foot by 3 foot flyers, as we want the ravers who actually are more influenced by quality and vibe to come. Not SIMPLY flyer size (how boring). We want to invest in lazerz, lighting, beats, sound, the venue, and super cool props and flyers, AND give the rest away in FREE stuff...we just aren't size queens here at bluegreen, and are a little annoyed with this mentality where ONLY flyer size counts. Oh well...We'll get over it. We love you guys who still know what it's about. Come on out and have a great time. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68384-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 20:21:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12197 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 20:21:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12186 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 20:21:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710202100.91014.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:21:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mikey J Reply-To: mijo976@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DnB for your earhole (3:30 PST) I'll be getting into a lot of new shit that some of you may not have heard. New Total Science LP, new Metalheadz LP, a grip of twelve inches that have been itchin to hit the decks. Tune in, chat, you have no excuse to be bored at work! today and every Tuesday there after 3:30 to 5:30 PM PST live DnB from my living room http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/15street.asp requests, rewinds, trainspotters welcome AIM- michaelj976 ICQ- 121861350 EZ mikey J selekta.com "turn your learn on" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68385-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 20:42:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44099 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 20:42:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44088 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 20:42:50 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:33:07 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Gianni's Current top 10 Harmonics Records 404 Mendocino Ave. Santa Rosa, CA. 95401 >707-326-0766 >fax707-539-8357 >gianni3333@aol.com GIANNI Resident SPUNDAE & NIKITA Current Top 10 Artist Song Mix Label =20 1. DJ Tiesto Flight 643 Orkidea=E2=80=99s Wintergalactic mix =20= =20 Black Hole 2. Nuw Idol My Liberation Original =20 Wellwicked =20 3. Fabio MC Mimic Mimic Mix BXR 4. Vitae Energy Flow Nick Sentience Mix Distinctive 5. Cequenza Sonic Blue John Johnson remix Spot On 6. Nick Sentience DMC Original =20 Nukleuz & Phil Reynolds =20 7. Who Da Funk Music In Me Full Mix Sondos 8. Nuw Idol The Embrace Opium Dream Mix =20 Wellwicked =20 9. Chaos Theory Abstraction Original =20 Spundae & Leaded 10. Trisco vs S Club 7 Don=E2=80=99t Stop Movin Trisco=E2=80=99s V= ocal Mix =20 White Please send all promotional material to the address above. I listen to all=20 material and return all reaction sheets. Thank You.=20 Gianni --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68386-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 20:56:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59900 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 20:56:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59882 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 20:56:08 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c10983$1c277c00$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: "leslie ayres" Cc: References: <20010710190841.PBZK12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:58:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] why massives are fun - area 51 > apollo? doug? kari? and some of you not-over-30-yet but > been-partying-for-years folks want in on it? So ummm... wait... does this mean that I am a geriatric raver?!?! Oh my... Peace and love, Greg Sandler --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68387-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:01:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64569 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:01:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64559 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:01:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.198.181] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, djd-list@dj-d.com, starkand_e@yahoo.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:00:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:00:59.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B682E40:01C10983] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] <<>>UPDATES and ADDITIONS (bSp) july 13th THIS FRIDAY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68388-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:04:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67959 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:04:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67949 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:04:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.198.181] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com, starkand_e@yahoo.com, c4ocol8@aol.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:03:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:03:43.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD811880:01C10983] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] <<>> UPDATES and ADDITIONS (bSp) july 13th THIS FRIDAY!!! heres some more updates... -choco dj_choco@hotmail.com ____________________ We are geared to extend up till 8am, with that, we have additions to our lineup..... all this and still only $15 presales, and still only $20 at the door, all this for three rooms of sound, all night long with no hastles..... Coming July 13th 2001....... Mindgames productions with a helping hand from NeuroScience Creations presents...... FOCUS MORGAN TELENE MICHAEL LIU ALIAS JUSTIN HALE BAZOOKA JOE KEITH EDWARDS LEON COOK CELSIUS BLAIR RAYGIN BROTHA REESE SYMPLEX PSYKORAL TYME PATRIK CRAZ-E ON-E TRANCEPIMP CHOCO EBER ENRINCO F. EINSTEIN ELEKTROLYTE vs. NEUROPSYNTIST JUST ADDED Dj TRONIC ClOUDSKIPPER we will be converting a prime piece of centrally located bay area real estate into a three room musical playground, with unlimited outdoor smoking space, and a handful of stimulating chill rooms. This is a never been used before, and never will be used again venue, so missing this event will leave you wondering what you missed. With NeuroScience Creations bringing all the sound in their arsenal, all three rooms will be bumpin. Together with multiple Lasers and a handful of mind blowing visuals, your senses will be stimulated. We are limiting the capacity to ensure enough space to sit, lay, and still have plenty of room to dance, even with the assortment of chairs and couches lining the walls in all three rooms. We are going all out to ensure that we use this opportunity to its fullest, and to bring you the best party we can while we are at it, and hopefully one of the best parties you will experience ever. So please come out and help us make this a night to remember, we promise we wont let you down........ this venue guaranteed not to relocate last minute, setup is already in progress.... multiple restrooms with running water and stocked toilet paper...... reasonably priced water, red bull, and candy..... plenty of free secured and patrolled parking provided.... multiple free giveaway's (CD's and tape's)....... 1,500 person capacity...... $15 pre-sales at Skills in Berkley and Solid Grooves in Santa Clara, $20 at the venue..... questions, comments or concerns 1(408)514-2600 x6583 (location information event evening only) or visit the link on our website www.nscreation.com another neuroscience creation _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68389-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:19:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90630 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:19:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90610 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:19:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710211945.9795.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:19:45 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, raverg@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp - idr dance party, friday the 13th this friday (as with the second friday of every month), july 13th (freaky friday the 13th), is the next imperial dub dance party! Cosmic Jason and Sunshine Jones' Birthdays! the line up this time is as follows: 9.30 - 10.30 Wendy 10.30 - 11.40 Corey Black 11.40 - 12.50 Sunshine Jones 12.50 - 2.00 Cosmique Jason club six 60 6th Street between mission and market street $10 at the door 21+ drummers, bring your drums! dress up! the theme is "space is the place", wear a space suit! don't forget to wish sunshine jones and cosmic jason a happy birthday! club six news: the hearings for club six's afterhours license are coming up, we can join forces and make our feeling known. it looks good for the club's prospects of being open until 4am every night of the week, but they need all the help they can get... ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68390-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:22:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95120 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:22:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95097 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:22:49 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:22:43 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf.8f81edd.287ccc23_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Wednesdays @ the LimeLight 7pm - 2 am --part1_cf.8f81edd.287ccc23_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Wednesdays @ the LimeLight date: Wednesday, JULY 11 .2001 > Main Room: Tech House / Progressive House KAIZEN London, UK (Club Astoria / 12 Inch Monkeys / Orgy) This Artist/Producer has been laying out tracks since the early 90's, being in one of the most popular clubs in london gives him the edge. He will rock your House. GREG SANDLER SF (Harmonics Music / Area 51) JOEY MAZZOLA SF (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) RON "DJ RKTECH" REESER SF (ClockWork Eventz / Radio Active Dj's) Second Level: NRG / Trance / Breaks GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy/ KSJS 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. info: BRAINCHILD ENTERTAINMENT www.brainchildentertainment.com info: 1-800-561-1800 VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! 18+ w/id --part1_cf.8f81edd.287ccc23_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68391-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:23:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99646 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:23:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99503 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:23:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.177.152.6] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:24:27 -0700 From: // genome // To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3077619867_385811" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:23:13.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[86C994F0:01C10986] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] WEB GEEKS: need some help with CGI shit --B_3077619867_385811 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Anybody know CGI? I need some help creating a form, hit me up with an email if you think you can help! Cheers Genome --B_3077619867_385811-- From sfraves-return-68392-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:24:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2388 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:24:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2330 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:24:46 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:24:16 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f6.c7fb506.287ccc80_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) free admission to first 100 response --part1_f6.c7fb506.287ccc80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Wednesdays @ the LimeLight date: Wednesday, JULY 11 .2001 > Main Room: Tech House / Progressive House KAIZEN London, UK (Club Astoria / 12 Inch Monkeys / Orgy) This Artist/Producer has been laying out tracks since the early 90's, being in one of the most popular clubs in london gives him the edge. He will rock your House. GREG SANDLER SF (Harmonics Music / Area 51) JOEY MAZZOLA SF (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) RON "DJ RKTECH" REESER SF (ClockWork Eventz / Radio Active Dj's) Second Level: NRG / Trance / Breaks GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy/ KSJS 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. info: BRAINCHILD ENTERTAINMENT www.brainchildentertainment.com info: 1-800-561-1800 VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! 18+ w/id Free admission to first 100 hundred people that responds to this e-mail.... --part1_f6.c7fb506.287ccc80_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68393-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:36:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20844 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:36:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20833 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:36:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Eddie To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BoyBands V. Cloudfactory Heh oh lord, I have to delurk for this. Anyone who knows me, knows that I am a HUGE Nsync fan. As far as packaged groups go, they are holding their own. They (imo) have crossed over to something that has huge potential. I mean their video is not only on MTV's video list but also on BET's which is something i have not seen any other group in the boy band catagory do. (Though I'm sure someone may argue it could be Viacom's interaction, since they just bought BET.) Their concert filler music is nothing but techno and trance. The celebrity album will have BT producing some of their tracks. Their last album had one song that was Drumnbass tinged.(Unfortunately it was aprhodite soundin, but at one point I think most ppl like aphrodite and then we grew up a little :P.) Heh it is rumored that Chris Kirkpatrick is/was a DJ. I do know he is from Seattle and I do know that he carries with him a coffin while he is on tour. So maybe a nsync/cloudfactory party is possible!I think he spun/spins Techno. ( heheh I know that some of y'all are saying fuckno, right about now.) Your obssession with Nsync is the same as with anyone's obsession with so called real musicians. Though it would seem like what makes a real musician is the fan base. I would go to Nsync, but thats only because my friends would know it's my thing. And in the true Nsync spirit I must end with this. Sick and tired of hearin' all these people talk about What's the deal with this pop life And when is it gonna fade out Then you got to realize What we're doing is not a trend We got the gift of melody, we're gonna bring it tillthe end Now, why you wanna try to classify the kind of thing we do? You just wonderin' what we're like, We say the same for you Tired of feelin' it all around me, animosity Just worry 'bout yours, cause I'm gonna get mine A piece can't you see It doesn't matter what they call my job or the ice around my neck All that matters Is that you recognize that it's just about respect It doesn't matter About the clothes I wear and where I go and why All that matters Is what you think... Do you ever wonder why? This music gets you high (music gets you high) It takes you on a ride Feel it when.. Your body starts to rock (starts to rock) Then you can't stop (you can't stop) This music's all you got This must be *POP* Eddie. Hey is anyone going to defcon this weekend? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68394-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:42:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29196 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:42:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29185 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:42:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: , , , , References: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:42:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:42:14.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F0BB330:01C10989] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: <<>> UPDATES and ADDITIONS (bSp) july 13th THIS FRIDAY!!! Since there is now going to be Happycore @ Focus, you can count on Molly and Myself to be there!!! We will be @ "Focus" on Friday and then @ HappyKids "The Legend Continues" on Saturday... Taking pictures at both, for www.BayAreaRavers.com !!!! Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ CHOCO" To: ; ; ; ; Sent: July 10, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: F8: <<>> UPDATES and ADDITIONS (bSp) july 13th THIS FRIDAY!!! > heres some more updates... > > -choco > dj_choco@hotmail.com > > ____________________ > > We are geared to extend up till 8am, with that, we have additions to our > lineup..... > > all this and still only $15 presales, and still only $20 at the door, all > this for three rooms of sound, all night long with no hastles..... > > > > Coming July 13th 2001....... > > Mindgames productions with a helping hand from NeuroScience Creations > presents...... > > FOCUS > > > > > MORGAN > TELENE > MICHAEL LIU > ALIAS > JUSTIN HALE > BAZOOKA JOE > KEITH EDWARDS > LEON COOK > CELSIUS > BLAIR > RAYGIN > BROTHA REESE > SYMPLEX > PSYKORAL > TYME > PATRIK > CRAZ-E ON-E > TRANCEPIMP > CHOCO > EBER > ENRINCO F. > EINSTEIN > ELEKTROLYTE > vs. > NEUROPSYNTIST > > JUST ADDED > Dj TRONIC > ClOUDSKIPPER > > > > we will be converting a prime piece of centrally located bay area real > estate into a three room musical playground, with unlimited outdoor smoking > space, and a handful of stimulating chill rooms. This is a never been used > before, and never will be used again venue, so missing this event will leave > you wondering what you missed. With NeuroScience Creations bringing all the > sound in their arsenal, all three rooms will be bumpin. Together with > multiple Lasers and a handful of mind blowing visuals, your senses will be > stimulated. We are limiting the capacity to ensure enough space to sit, lay, > and still have plenty of room to dance, even with the assortment of chairs > and couches lining the walls in all three rooms. We are going all out to > ensure that we use this opportunity to its fullest, and to bring you the > best party we can while we are at it, and hopefully one of the best parties > you will experience ever. So please come out and help us make this a night > to remember, we promise we wont let you down........ > > this venue guaranteed not to relocate last minute, setup is already in > progress.... > > multiple restrooms with running water and stocked toilet paper...... > > reasonably priced water, red bull, and candy..... > > plenty of free secured and patrolled parking provided.... > > multiple free giveaway's (CD's and tape's)....... > > 1,500 person capacity...... > > $15 pre-sales at Skills in Berkley and Solid Grooves in Santa Clara, $20 at > the venue..... > > questions, comments or concerns 1(408)514-2600 x6583 (location information > event evening only) > > or visit the link on our website > > www.nscreation.com > > > > > > > > > another neuroscience creation > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68395-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:51:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44284 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:51:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44273 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:51:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:51:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:51:05.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B7C9C70:01C1098A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] But Brain....what are we going to do tonight??? TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68396-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:55:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53006 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:55:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52977 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:55:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710215535.16670.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:55:35 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BoyBands V. Cloudfactory ooh... ooh.. i know, let's get cf to book nsync! --- Eddie wrote: > > Heh oh lord, I have to delurk for this. > > Anyone who knows me, knows that I am a HUGE Nsync > fan. > As far as packaged groups go, they are holding their > own. They (imo) have > crossed over to something that has huge potential. I > mean their video is > not only on MTV's video list but also on BET's > which is something i have > not seen any other group in the boy band catagory > do. (Though I'm sure > someone may argue it could be Viacom's interaction, > since they just bought > BET.) > > Their concert filler music is nothing but techno and > trance. The celebrity > album will have BT producing some of their tracks. > Their last album had > one song that was Drumnbass tinged.(Unfortunately it > was aprhodite > soundin, but at one point I think most ppl like > aphrodite and then we > grew up a little :P.) > > Heh it is rumored that Chris Kirkpatrick is/was a > DJ. I do know he is from > Seattle and I do know that he carries with him a > coffin while he is on > tour. So maybe a nsync/cloudfactory party is > possible!I think he > spun/spins Techno. ( heheh I know that some of y'all > are saying fuckno, > right about now.) > > Your obssession with Nsync is the same as with > anyone's obsession with so > called real musicians. Though it would seem like > what makes a real > musician is the fan base. I would go to Nsync, but > thats only because my > friends would know it's my thing. > > And in the true Nsync spirit I must end with this. > > Sick and tired of hearin' all these people talk > about > What's the deal with this pop life > And when is it gonna fade out > Then you got to realize > What we're doing is not a trend > We got the gift of melody, we're gonna bring it > tillthe end > > Now, why you wanna try to classify the kind of thing > we do? > > You just wonderin' what we're like, > We say the same for you > Tired of feelin' it all around me, animosity > Just worry 'bout yours, cause I'm gonna get mine > A piece can't you see > It doesn't matter > what they call my job or the ice around my neck > All that matters > Is that you recognize that it's just about respect > It doesn't matter > About the clothes I wear and where I go and why > All that matters > Is what you think... > > Do you ever wonder why? > This music gets you high (music gets you high) > It takes you on a ride > > Feel it when.. > > Your body starts to rock (starts to rock) > Then you can't stop (you can't stop) > This music's all you got > This must be > > *POP* > > Eddie. > Hey is anyone going to defcon this weekend? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68397-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 21:57:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55762 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 21:57:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55747 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710215705.10759.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: DF doc , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] But Brain....what are we going to do tonight??? with all these competing interests it'll be interesting to see who comes out on top --- DF doc wrote: > TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!>>>>>> > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68398-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 22:00:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59430 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 22:00:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59419 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 22:00:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.215] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:58:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C10950.D3609380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:59:42.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F758DB0:01C1098B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C10950.D3609380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gee Brain I think so - but where are we going to find a rubber chicken = and profalactics at this time of night? ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C10950.D3609380-- From sfraves-return-68399-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 22:00:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62898 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 22:00:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62872 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 22:00:48 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.195.83.240] From: "eyephunk" To: "veronica la rosa" , References: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:03:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 22:00:20.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[B674DA20:01C1098B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Boy Bands Vs. Cloudfactory Nsync just had their latest track produced by BT its called pop and is getting releases this summer. i dont care for the vocals but there is an excellent remix done by Terminalhead that takes out the vocals for the most part and the ones they leave in is so warped you cant tell what it is.. its really wicked though.. > Let's say that you, hypothetically, had to choose between seeing N Sync or > going to a Cloudfactory party. And you really really love Cloudfactory > parties but you also have a "thing" for boy bands. Which would you choose? > Now you've seen N Sync twice before but every tour is a different > performance. But wouldn't you have more fun dancing and talking with your > friends than screaming over Joey Fatone? I just don't know... > > Keep in mind that you are an 18 year old girl with hormones and a high > pitched scream... > > > -Veronica- > > PS: Either way I feel like I'm abandoning someone. Can't they just come > together and have one big N Sync concer/rave ?! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68400-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 22:02:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66680 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 22:02:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66669 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 22:02:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:02:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh To: knowmad AE cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010710215535.16670.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BoyBands V. Cloudfactory Their booking agent said they have to be in bed by 10pm so they would not be able to play our event. sorry jahsh On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, knowmad AE wrote: > ooh... ooh.. i know, let's get cf to book nsync! > > --- Eddie wrote: > > > > Heh oh lord, I have to delurk for this. > > > > Anyone who knows me, knows that I am a HUGE Nsync > > fan. > > As far as packaged groups go, they are holding their > > own. They (imo) have > > crossed over to something that has huge potential. I > > mean their video is > > not only on MTV's video list but also on BET's > > which is something i have > > not seen any other group in the boy band catagory > > do. (Though I'm sure > > someone may argue it could be Viacom's interaction, > > since they just bought > > BET.) > > > > Their concert filler music is nothing but techno and > > trance. The celebrity > > album will have BT producing some of their tracks. > > Their last album had > > one song that was Drumnbass tinged.(Unfortunately it > > was aprhodite > > soundin, but at one point I think most ppl like > > aphrodite and then we > > grew up a little :P.) > > > > Heh it is rumored that Chris Kirkpatrick is/was a > > DJ. I do know he is from > > Seattle and I do know that he carries with him a > > coffin while he is on > > tour. So maybe a nsync/cloudfactory party is > > possible!I think he > > spun/spins Techno. ( heheh I know that some of y'all > > are saying fuckno, > > right about now.) > > > > Your obssession with Nsync is the same as with > > anyone's obsession with so > > called real musicians. Though it would seem like > > what makes a real > > musician is the fan base. I would go to Nsync, but > > thats only because my > > friends would know it's my thing. > > > > And in the true Nsync spirit I must end with this. > > > > Sick and tired of hearin' all these people talk > > about > > What's the deal with this pop life > > And when is it gonna fade out > > Then you got to realize > > What we're doing is not a trend > > We got the gift of melody, we're gonna bring it > > tillthe end > > > > Now, why you wanna try to classify the kind of thing > > we do? > > > > You just wonderin' what we're like, > > We say the same for you > > Tired of feelin' it all around me, animosity > > Just worry 'bout yours, cause I'm gonna get mine > > A piece can't you see > > It doesn't matter > > what they call my job or the ice around my neck > > All that matters > > Is that you recognize that it's just about respect > > It doesn't matter > > About the clothes I wear and where I go and why > > All that matters > > Is what you think... > > > > Do you ever wonder why? > > This music gets you high (music gets you high) > > It takes you on a ride > > > > Feel it when.. > > > > Your body starts to rock (starts to rock) > > Then you can't stop (you can't stop) > > This music's all you got > > This must be > > > > *POP* > > > > Eddie. > > Hey is anyone going to defcon this weekend? > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > ===== > icq/40221388 > aim/knowmadAE > y!/knowmadAE > "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... > the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." > In Lak'ech > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68401-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 22:05:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69856 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 22:05:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69837 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 22:05:00 -0000 Reply-To: From: "gfunkjeff" To: "SF Raves \(E-mail\)" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:05:23 -0700 Message-ID: <883726CF2C7AD411A06D00E018CE0ED738899A@IV01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] tech-house ! helloooooooo list - Does anyone know of some Record stores that have a good selection of tech-house? or can you reccomend some good labels/producers? Thanks in advance .. -- Jeff Fasulkey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68402-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 22:12:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87732 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 22:12:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87708 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 22:12:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710221203.18626.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:12:03 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, raverg@hyperreal.org, nova@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] gear for sale (and a motorcycle to boot!) My brother Zac is looking to simplify his life, the following items he is getting rid of. You can contact him directly at zac@kyoti.net The List: Sony TCD-D7 portable DAT recorder/player w/sony stereo condenser mic, cleaning cassette and 1 tape $450 (http://www.rockpark.com/d7/) Zoom Sampletrak st-224 digital sampler w/effects and 4MB SmartMedia card $250 (http://www.samsontech.com/zoom/st224.html) Korg Electribe ER-1 analogue modeling drum machine $250 (http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/_inc/specs_only.cfm?synthid=890) Yamaha TX7 FM synth module $100 (http://www.vintagesynth.org/yamaha/tx7.shtml) Casio CZ 101 vintage phase distortion synth w/black keys $120 (http://www.vintagesynth.org/casio/cz101.shtml) Modified primer gray ZX600 '86 Ninja motorcycle (streetfighter style), Vance Hines drag pipe, jet kit installed, round headlamp, no fairing, runs great, fast $1800 ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68403-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 22:12:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89462 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 22:12:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89452 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 22:12:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.197.197] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:12:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 22:12:03.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[5979D580:01C1098D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SORRY ABOUT THE MIXUP...i sent blank emails AcCiDenTaLLy!!! hi guys, im sorry about the mixup that i sent out blank emails out there on the lists. as i was sending those emails, i relaized that i didnt paste the text that i wanted to send. since i couldnt unsend the blank emails, i had to make another one. as far as i know, i dont like a lot of junkmail in my mail box as well. i am only tryin to help out on the promotion on the net because there is only 2 people in the mindgames/neuroscience crew that actually have access to the lists. i, for instance have access to F8, sfraves, and DJ-D List. thanks all in advanced. peace and keep smiling. =) -paul choco _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68404-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 22:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17128 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 22:45:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17118 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 22:45:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:45:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_4e16_6e30_77ac" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 22:45:17.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE001250:01C10991] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd: where should I go tonite? ------=_NextPart_000_4e16_6e30_77ac Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: where should I go tonite? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:35:30 -0700 >Anything good goin on 18+ maybe with a bar, tonite? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_4e16_6e30_77ac Content-Type: message/rfc822 >From sacraves-return-20811-junglejunkie1 Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:37:10 -0700 Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD14CE4D00374004321FD1855316112C0; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:35:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 8807 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Jul 2001 22:35:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sacraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sacraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8796 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 22:35:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Subject: where should I go tonite? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:35:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 22:35:30.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FBABAC0:01C10990] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N
Anything good goin on tonite thats 18+ maybe with a bar too
 
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What a week, what a life. hope you've all thoroughly rehydrated and are happily ploting your next big sonic summer adventure. thanks for taking it to bridge. we really look forward to doing it again next month. till then here's what we got going on this week. hope to see you out and about. Wed/ July 11th. Elephunk Right in the pocket, Soul Slow and Body Rock. This is what Happens when Live Jazz meets Live Hip Hop. Mr.Brown is proud to Welcome into the Elephunk Tribe. Kofy Brown and the Subterraneanz Collected under The Project Independence Movement is a tight group of grass roots artist and distributors of strickly underground urban music. For those in the jazz scene Kofy is no stranger, Headlining across the Bay and Internationally. This group of seasoned Musicians are huge in far off spots like Japan, the UK, Paris and Germany. Know from top to bottom for there smooth style, will hit hard soon with a new sound created from collaborations with true SF.underground soldiers the Subterraneanz MC's Louie Da Saint, LCJ, Hypno, Tranque and Nyambezi with Vocalist Lokana adding the sweet melody Opening with the rare groove and funk remixs is DJ Trace new to sf, with his free style mixing. loves playing everything and anything and el residente Jahyzer strong foundations lead producer who works with top reggae artist and still got the funk for days. Rasselas Jazz Club, 1534 Fillmore St at Geary. 10-2am. $7. * look for the ELEPHUNK Live and Direct CD Compilation Featuring, Radioactive, Josh Jones, Zion I, Felonious, Psychokinetics, and Azeem out now or you can get them at the shows. **************************************************************** thursday/ July 12th at 6pm. true skool and elephunk present in conjunction with Yuerba Buena Centers current exhibition HIP-HOP NATION Microphone Fiends Spontaneous beats, beatboxing and lyrics from Coop D'Ville Infinite Tonga Brown Soulati Raashan Ahmad Gennessee Zion Yerba Buena, 701 Mission @ 3rd Free, All Ages. **************************************************************** Friday/ July 13th Mr.Brown Presents TRUE SKOOL live FELONIOUS w/ dj's Jahyzer, Ren, Clockwork and others The TRE from the Pharcyde Show which was originally planned has been rescheduled for AUG 10th. $10. 10-2am **************************************************************** to be removed respond with "remove" and itll be done soon nuff. sorry about the delay were still in the process of moving. --------------EEC01CC904E8F010E70AB005-- From sfraves-return-68406-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 22:53:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28568 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 22:53:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28558 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 22:53:33 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.20.56.38] From: "Macadio G." To: gfunkjeff@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:53:06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 22:53:06.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[15081BE0:01C10993] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] tech-house ! Well here are some of mine. And don't go buying the same tracks as me Mmmkay?? :) Kenneth Graham (Awesome Producer from So-cal) Steve Loria (Also from So-cal) Morgan Page (Just signed to my buddys record label www.chalantmusic.com) Hakan Lidbo Jori Hulkkonen Nigel Hayes Rockit (Grayhound recordings) Inland Knights I can name off more but im tired and can't think, some labels to look for are: Terraform Plastic City Driftwood Chalant Tide Weekend World Ritual. Jump Recordings There are many more but that is some to name a few. There is Tech house and Deep tech house and most labels go in and out of the two. Peace and Deep Tech, Macadio >From: "gfunkjeff" >Reply-To: >To: "SF Raves \(E-mail\)" >Subject: [sfraves] tech-house ! >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:05:23 -0700 > >helloooooooo list - > >Does anyone know of some Record stores that have a good selection of >tech-house? or can you reccomend some good labels/producers? > >Thanks in advance .. > >-- >Jeff Fasulkey > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68407-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 22:57:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36983 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 22:57:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36929 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 22:57:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Mitchell cc: gfunkjeff@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] tech-house ! > >helloooooooo list - > > > >Does anyone know of some Record stores that have a good selection of > >tech-house? I would way Harmonics in Santa Rosa-although i have not been in awhile. Also Tweakin on lower haight would be good places to start. jahsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68408-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 23:02:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43906 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 23:02:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43895 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 23:02:53 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:04:28 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-198-207-142.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.207.142]; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:02:50 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Paging Kenneth from PhatCow... Sorry list Hey, email me! I lost your address ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68409-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 23:03:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45418 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 23:03:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45394 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 23:03:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710230351.1399.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, raverg@hyperreal.org, nova@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] one more item Brother Zac is also selling his camera... Nikon Coolpix 950, 64and 8 MB Compact flash cards, Flash card reader, Fisheye Lens, Wide angle lens, sk900 external flash mounting bracket, and mastering the nikon 950 eBook CD $900 it's a damn nice rig... contact him directly at zac@kyoti.net ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68410-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 23:07:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53149 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 23:07:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53139 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 23:07:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710230701.36720.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: beatsincrease To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! Excerpted from Reuters Newswire: The DEA released information today pertaining to the discovery of a new "Rave Drug". The compound, identified as CH3CH2OH, but with a variety of street names such as "Booze", "Suds", and, cryptically, "Hair Of the Dog", seems poised to take a major toll on the health of American youth. "We had always thought CH3CH2OH was a pretty benign thing, something upstanding citizens could enjoy safely, like Nicotine," explains DEA chief of staff Carl Verhoven, "However, we recently started recieving a torrent of reports of kids, some barely 25, using the stuff like crazy at "Rave Parties", dancing like lunatics, and crashing thier automobiles left and right. We knew then that we were facing a real threat. It boggles the mind to think that we as a society have ignored this 'silent killer' for so long.". In recent tests, CH3CH2OH has been shown to cause heavy intoxication, moral depravity, and inability to pilot vehicles safely. Health issues such as liver and brain damage were also common amongst the test cases. "We're currently setting up a task force to crack down on venues that flagrantly continue to serve this dangerous drug," said Verhoven, "We plan to start raiding the dance venues and events first, as the patrons of these places are typically the worst abusers. We then plan to look into other possible outlets such as bars and liquor stores." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68411-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 23:17:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64870 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 23:17:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64835 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 23:17:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.215] From: "innocentchild" To: "beatsincrease" , References: <20010710230701.36720.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:14:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 23:16:50.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[661C2730:01C10996] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! They're serving Ethanol?? *ew* ----- Original Message ----- From: "beatsincrease" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! > Excerpted from Reuters Newswire: > > The DEA released information today pertaining to the discovery of a new > "Rave Drug". The compound, identified as CH3CH2OH, but with a variety > of street names such as "Booze", "Suds", and, cryptically, "Hair Of the > Dog", seems poised to take a major toll on the health of American > youth. "We had always thought CH3CH2OH was a pretty benign thing, > something upstanding citizens could enjoy safely, like Nicotine," > explains DEA chief of staff Carl Verhoven, "However, we recently > started recieving a torrent of reports of kids, some barely 25, using > the stuff like crazy at "Rave Parties", dancing like lunatics, and > crashing thier automobiles left and right. We knew then that we were > facing a real threat. It boggles the mind to think that we as a > society have ignored this 'silent killer' for so long.". In recent > tests, CH3CH2OH has been shown to cause heavy intoxication, moral > depravity, and inability to pilot vehicles safely. Health issues such > as liver and brain damage were also common amongst the test cases. > "We're currently setting up a task force to crack down on venues that > flagrantly continue to serve this dangerous drug," said Verhoven, "We > plan to start raiding the dance venues and events first, as the patrons > of these places are typically the worst abusers. We then plan to look > into other possible outlets such as bars and liquor stores." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68412-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 23:19:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68824 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 23:19:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68814 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 23:19:09 -0000 Message-ID: <039f01c10996$b0f51280$6900000a@tendocom.org> Reply-To: "matt newell" From: "matt newell" To: "beatsincrease" , References: <20010710230701.36720.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:18:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 23:18:56.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0EEF800:01C10996] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! raiding dance venues that serve alcohol? april fool's? CH3CH2OH = ethanol = alcohol "Ethanol's most common use is in alcoholic drinks. Physiologically it acts as a depressant, despite its apparent stimulant effect caused by removal of inhibitions." http://www.xrefer.com/entry/641010 .. matt .. www.sweetillusions.org .. matt@sweetillusions.org .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer ----- Original Message ----- From: "beatsincrease" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! : Excerpted from Reuters Newswire: : : The DEA released information today pertaining to the discovery of a new : "Rave Drug". The compound, identified as CH3CH2OH, but with a variety : of street names such as "Booze", "Suds", and, cryptically, "Hair Of the : Dog", seems poised to take a major toll on the health of American : youth. "We had always thought CH3CH2OH was a pretty benign thing, : something upstanding citizens could enjoy safely, like Nicotine," : explains DEA chief of staff Carl Verhoven, "However, we recently : started recieving a torrent of reports of kids, some barely 25, using : the stuff like crazy at "Rave Parties", dancing like lunatics, and : crashing thier automobiles left and right. We knew then that we were : facing a real threat. It boggles the mind to think that we as a : society have ignored this 'silent killer' for so long.". In recent : tests, CH3CH2OH has been shown to cause heavy intoxication, moral : depravity, and inability to pilot vehicles safely. Health issues such : as liver and brain damage were also common amongst the test cases. : "We're currently setting up a task force to crack down on venues that : flagrantly continue to serve this dangerous drug," said Verhoven, "We : plan to start raiding the dance venues and events first, as the patrons : of these places are typically the worst abusers. We then plan to look : into other possible outlets such as bars and liquor stores." : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail : http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org : For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68413-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 10 23:42:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94049 invoked by uid 1104); 10 Jul 2001 23:42:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94038 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 23:42:10 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "matt newell" , "beatsincrease" , Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:36:00 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <039f01c10996$b0f51280$6900000a@tendocom.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! Well, it certainly has the same detrimental effects as alcohol; inability to drive properly, liver problems, etc . . . I think that one was a good bit of satire! Well done whoever you are =) .:nomadic:. www.nomadicDJ.com -----Original Message----- From: matt newell [mailto:matt@sweetillusions.org] Sent: 10 July 2001 04:19 To: beatsincrease; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! Importance: Low raiding dance venues that serve alcohol? april fool's? CH3CH2OH = ethanol = alcohol "Ethanol's most common use is in alcoholic drinks. Physiologically it acts as a depressant, despite its apparent stimulant effect caused by removal of inhibitions." http://www.xrefer.com/entry/641010 .. matt .. www.sweetillusions.org .. matt@sweetillusions.org .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer ----- Original Message ----- From: "beatsincrease" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! : Excerpted from Reuters Newswire: : : The DEA released information today pertaining to the discovery of a new : "Rave Drug". The compound, identified as CH3CH2OH, but with a variety : of street names such as "Booze", "Suds", and, cryptically, "Hair Of the : Dog", seems poised to take a major toll on the health of American : youth. "We had always thought CH3CH2OH was a pretty benign thing, : something upstanding citizens could enjoy safely, like Nicotine," : explains DEA chief of staff Carl Verhoven, "However, we recently : started recieving a torrent of reports of kids, some barely 25, using : the stuff like crazy at "Rave Parties", dancing like lunatics, and : crashing thier automobiles left and right. We knew then that we were : facing a real threat. It boggles the mind to think that we as a : society have ignored this 'silent killer' for so long.". In recent : tests, CH3CH2OH has been shown to cause heavy intoxication, moral : depravity, and inability to pilot vehicles safely. Health issues such : as liver and brain damage were also common amongst the test cases. : "We're currently setting up a task force to crack down on venues that : flagrantly continue to serve this dangerous drug," said Verhoven, "We : plan to start raiding the dance venues and events first, as the patrons : of these places are typically the worst abusers. We then plan to look : into other possible outlets such as bars and liquor stores." : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail : http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org : For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68414-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 00:06:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16589 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 00:06:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16519 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 00:06:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4B9932.A68C53C3@iamthedj.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:09:22 -0700 From: Amber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Converting VHS video to show online I have a few minutes of VHS video that I would like converted to show online (any universal format). Does anyone know of a media place in the bay area that offers this kind of service? Thanks, >:)Amber -- Amber .|. http://www.iamthedj.com .|. You hate Amber. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68415-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 00:31:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33533 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 00:31:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33522 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 00:31:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:31:13 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010710173113.A17927@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <039f01c10996$b0f51280$6900000a@tendocom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from cs@nomadicDJ.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:36:00PM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! It is alcohol. "Alcohol" is the layman's term for ethanol. [nomadicDJ ] > Well, it certainly has the same detrimental effects as alcohol; inability to > drive properly, liver problems, etc . . . I think that one was a good bit > of satire! Well done whoever you are =) > > .:nomadic:. > www.nomadicDJ.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: matt newell [mailto:matt@sweetillusions.org] > Sent: 10 July 2001 04:19 > To: beatsincrease; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! > Importance: Low > > > > raiding dance venues that serve alcohol? april fool's? > > > CH3CH2OH = ethanol = alcohol > > "Ethanol's most common use is in alcoholic drinks. Physiologically it acts > as a depressant, despite its apparent stimulant effect caused by removal of > inhibitions." > > http://www.xrefer.com/entry/641010 > > > > > .. matt > > .. www.sweetillusions.org > .. matt@sweetillusions.org > > .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beatsincrease" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 4:07 PM > Subject: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! > > > : Excerpted from Reuters Newswire: > : > : The DEA released information today pertaining to the discovery of a new > : "Rave Drug". The compound, identified as CH3CH2OH, but with a variety > : of street names such as "Booze", "Suds", and, cryptically, "Hair Of the > : Dog", seems poised to take a major toll on the health of American > : youth. "We had always thought CH3CH2OH was a pretty benign thing, > : something upstanding citizens could enjoy safely, like Nicotine," > : explains DEA chief of staff Carl Verhoven, "However, we recently > : started recieving a torrent of reports of kids, some barely 25, using > : the stuff like crazy at "Rave Parties", dancing like lunatics, and > : crashing thier automobiles left and right. We knew then that we were > : facing a real threat. It boggles the mind to think that we as a > : society have ignored this 'silent killer' for so long.". In recent > : tests, CH3CH2OH has been shown to cause heavy intoxication, moral > : depravity, and inability to pilot vehicles safely. Health issues such > : as liver and brain damage were also common amongst the test cases. > : "We're currently setting up a task force to crack down on venues that > : flagrantly continue to serve this dangerous drug," said Verhoven, "We > : plan to start raiding the dance venues and events first, as the patrons > : of these places are typically the worst abusers. We then plan to look > : into other possible outlets such as bars and liquor stores." > : > : __________________________________________________ > : Do You Yahoo!? > : Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > : http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > : > : --------------------------------------------------------------------- > : To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > : For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > : > : > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68416-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 01:00:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63104 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 01:00:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63094 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 01:00:25 -0000 Message-ID: <007901c109a5$d7abd120$LocalHost@two.zengine.com> From: "DJ Kir Kryyn (Beau D. Simensen)" To: , , Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:07:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C1096B.2ACFD9E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Halogen Radio Tonight! ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C1096B.2ACFD9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Psykoral and Kir Kryyn are going to be playing tonight starting around = 7:00PM (or around there somewhere) ... maybe a few other people as well. = We'll post the stream URLs to radio.halogen.org later this evening. o http://radio.halogen.org/ Hope everyone is having a good night! DJ Kir Kryyn Beau D. Simensen http://www.dj-kirkryyn.com/ AIM: Kir Kryyn ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C1096B.2ACFD9E0-- From sfraves-return-68417-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 01:07:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69782 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 01:07:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69770 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 01:07:48 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:02:03 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] record sites w/audio? that's easy. http://www.primalrecords.com i live in the general area of primal but still order online sometimes because they make it easy. >hey all, > >looking for suggestions on record sites with audio, good selection of >house and/or breakbeat/2-step that ships to the US. > >thanks in advance y'all. > >brandon > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68418-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 01:13:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75081 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 01:13:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75071 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 01:13:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [158.252.221.97] From: "Nick Griffin" To: djd-list@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:12:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 01:12:37.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[928E8780:01C109A6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] *BSP* MARDI GRAS 2!!!! NUW IDOL!!!! THIS FRI. JULY 13TH.... ELECTRIC NERVE & SO MUCH GLOW BRING YOU *MARDI GRAS 2*. Last year's Mardi Gras was a great event, but this one should be even better. Great location, great DJs, the party goes from 8 PM to 5 AM, and well be giving away 1,000s of Mardi Gras necklaces like last year. LIVE PERFORMANCE BY ONE OF THE UK'S MOST RESPECTED PRODUCERS /--\ /--/ /--/ /--/ /--/ \--\ / \ / / / / / / / / \ \ / /\ \ / / / / / / / / /--\ \ \ / / \ \ / / / / / / / / / \ \ \ / / \ \/ / \ \____/ / \ \_/ /\ \_/ / /__/ \____/ \________/ \_____/ \_____/ /--/ /------\ /---------\ /--/ / / / /--\ \ / /---\ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /___/ / / \___/ / / /____ /__/ /_________/ \_________/ /________/ www.wellwicked.com (creator of WELLWICKED records, first U.S. appearance) GIANNI (SPUNDAY, NIKITA, DJGIANNI.COM) THOMAS TROUBLE (BLUTONIUM RECORDS, THOMASTROUBLE.COM DYLOOT (SKILLS) UPHONIC (ETA, THUMP RADIO) MAC (ROCKER, OHM, HARMONICS) ST. JOHN (HOUSE NATION) DEVIN (JRS, DJDEVIN.COM) DAMIAN (GREENFIELD) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68419-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 01:19:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80651 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 01:19:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80616 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 01:19:20 -0000 Message-ID: <005201c109a7$c34434a0$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Cc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:09:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C1096B.666DB120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - key info! (bsp) ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C1096B.666DB120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All right everyone, I just wanted to highlight some of the killer things we have planned for = this year's AREA 51 event.=20 1) MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO!!! - This is the first appearance from this = legendary group in about 3 years!!! 2) the HARDCORE room! - AREA 51 is the ONLY massive of the summer = supporting Hardcore music with Ron D Core, Demigod and Simon Apex! 3) The CLASSIFIED SAN FRANCISCO VENUE!! - This will bring back the = awesome vibe of hosting an incredible event of this magnitude IN SF!!! 4) The Trance line up featuring BINARY FINARY! - The producers of the = number one trance track of ALL TIME!! (1998) 5) The Tekno Line up! - Holy shit! just read the flyer! 6) The BAY AREA DEBUT of DJ SS and MC WARREN G!!! 7) The 21+ alcoholic's INTOXICATION STATION!!! This is where I will be = for the entire night! (yeah right) 8) The live internet broadcast! - Share this experience with the rest of = the world!!! 9) The Phat Ass production that as always made AREA 51 legendary in the = past! 10) The vibe created by thousands of people coming together to celebrate = one of the most spectacular events of SF's history!! There you have it.. 10 reasons why AREA 51 is going to rock the shit out = of SF on Saturday July 21st!!! See you there!, Greg Sandler ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C1096B.666DB120-- From sfraves-return-68420-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 01:49:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98784 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 01:49:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98774 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 01:49:52 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.37] From: "Becca Plevin" To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:49:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 01:49:24.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[B64446B0:01C109AB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? Damn it- you stole my favorite P&B line. ::grin:: Here's the next best: "Gee Brain, I think so- but burlap does chafe me so!" Becca >From: "innocentchild" >To: >Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:58:49 -0700 > >Gee Brain I think so - but where are we going to find a rubber chicken and >profalactics at this time of night? > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68421-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 01:55:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2433 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 01:55:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2423 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 01:55:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711015500.57228.qmail@web10804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilez Krazimann To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] boybands v. cloudfactory "pop" is a fantastic track. when I first heard it I assumed it was another product of the continuing evolution of New York music away from the bling-bling nonsense of the last few years and towards a funkier, more eclectic sound (check Method Man on the Roni Size LP, the jungly stuff from Destiny's Child and Missy Elliot, and of course that stupid (but irresistibly so) "what would you do?" track). when I recognized it from the video my brain fried. considering that this pleasurable process usually requires chemical activation, its natural occurence made me extremely happy. anyway, Cloud Factory will never book N'Sync. N'Sync is an underrated pop group, every member of which makes a musical contribution. they have nothing in common with CF. bye bye :-) giles __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68422-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 02:10:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11976 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 02:10:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11966 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 02:10:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.196.189.18] From: "Chris 'LoOnDrOp' Mahoney" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:09:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 02:09:55.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[93FFF830:01C109AE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] consider the demographics nrr i have no experience with devious intricate planning and the intentional ruining of peoples lives, however, what psychotic malicious people do is really out of your control, so please dont stress over it. The place to improve the world is first in ones own heart and mind, do this much and everything falls into place. :) -LoOnDrOp _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68423-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 02:12:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15090 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 02:12:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15080 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 02:12:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.196.189.18] From: "Chris 'LoOnDrOp' Mahoney" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:12:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 02:12:28.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF550310:01C109AE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] record sites w/audio? another good site to order online with audio snippets would be groovetech. http://www.groovetech.com --LoOnDrOp _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68424-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 02:48:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39737 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 02:48:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39727 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 02:48:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.129] From: "innocentchild" To: "Becca Plevin" , Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:46:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 02:48:01.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[E678FFD0:01C109B3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? yeah... uh huh and whom did you constantly hear those from again?? Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? Gee Brain I think so - but me and Pippi Longstocking... i mean what would the children look like? =D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becca Plevin" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? > > Damn it- you stole my favorite P&B line. ::grin:: Here's the next best: "Gee Brain, I think so- but burlap does chafe me so!" > > Becca > > > >From: "innocentchild" > >To: > >Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? > >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:58:49 -0700 > > > >Gee Brain I think so - but where are we going to find a rubber chicken and profalactics at this time of night? > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68425-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 03:00:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44847 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 03:00:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44834 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 03:00:51 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Sfraves" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:54:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1097A.2FEFF680" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Spinning in London?? ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1097A.2FEFF680 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C1097A.2FEFF680" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C1097A.2FEFF680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BaxterHi All, About to go back over to my birthplace of London, England from the 25th thru August 4th on some family business. It's the place I was born, and therefore a very special place to me, and I'd love to spin over there. I was wondering if anyone knew anyone back there who might be interested in a guest DJ from the SF scene to represent over there for a club, party, UG, ODP, or whatever. If u do, please get back to me; it will be much appreciated =) If ur curious as to whether or not i'm worthy ;^) check out my website www.nomadicDJ.com and listen to my mixes! Peace! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) ___________________________ Have you voted this month? ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C1097A.2FEFF680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Baxter
Hi All,
       =20 About to go back over to my birthplace of London, England from the 25th = thru=20 August 4th on some family business.  It's the place I was born, and = therefore a very special place to me, and I'd love to spin over there. = I was=20 wondering if anyone knew anyone back there who might be interested in a = guest DJ=20 from the SF scene to represent over there for a club, party, UG, ODP, or = whatever. 
    If u do, please = get back=20 to me; it will be much appreciated =3D)  If ur curious as to = whether or not=20 i'm worthy ;^) check out my website www.nomadicDJ.com and listen to my = mixes!
 
Peace!

.:nomadic:.
(www.nomadicDJ.com)
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Have you=20 voted this month?

------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C1097A.2FEFF680-- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1097A.2FEFF680-- From sfraves-return-68426-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 03:08:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49339 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49291 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 03:08:24 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.88.244.205] From: "Macadio G." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:07:56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 03:07:56.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEB993E0:01C109B6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **BSP***** STEREOPHONIK*************** Ok kids, The Stereo crew is getting ready to celebrate there one year birth. And I hope to see some of you out there Moving and grooving on that Dance floor oh and Did I mention the London Acid Techno King D.D.R And of course the Sick Jungle DJ's that are taking no shorts puting down the rewind Selekta EZ.. NOTE: Support those that support the scene! See you there, Macadio _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68427-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 04:08:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86048 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 04:08:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86030 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 04:08:09 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-sfraves@hyperreal.org@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:06:33 -0700 From: Stephanie Smiley To: , , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3077647593_6959283_MIME_Part" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) CYBERFEST 2001 --MS_Mac_OE_3077647593_6959283_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Coolworld is proud to present the eighth annual CYBERFEST 2001 Saturday, August 11, 2001 3Com Park Grounds at Jamestown and Harney Way San Francisco, CA USA All Ages/Gates Open at 2pm Infinite Universe: No musical limits/ Open air stage & live acts=8A Live in concert, EMINEM=B9s New Super-group D12 exclusive West Coast performance(Detroit) America=B9s # 1 Electronic act (Los Angeles)=8AThe Crystal Method Kinetic Records (San Francisco)...DJ Dan Christopher Lawrence ...Hook Recordings / Moonshine Music (Los Angeles) Kevens ...live drum and bass (Miami) Florida's #1 live trance act (Miami)... 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To: SFraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Track ID and Flyer help . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Alright SF peeps, lend me a hand. first thing I need is the track ID of a song that DRC played at imagine. It was in the middle and had a few words like "elevate your mind" or something like that and a noise that sounded like a whistle? Any clue? Second, anyone know of a good place to get good but low cost flyers made? If you can contact me personally that would be great. Thanks for any help later --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68429-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 04:38:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6360 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 04:37:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6309 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 04:37:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.72.51.197] From: "Ben R." To: ClockworkEventz@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, nwraves@hyperreal.org, mtn-raves@hyperreal.org, nyc-raves@hyperreal.org, mo-raves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org, boston-raves@hyperreal.org, marz@egroups.com, moondance22@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:37:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 04:37:29.0565 (UTC) FILETIME=[316E00D0:01C109C3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! WhoA! Two of the SF scene's moguls, Clockwork Eventz & Spundae, unite to bring the only Labor Day Weekend event in Northern California complete with a signature top-notch line-up of mega proportion. ::: M E K K A . ELECTRONIK . MUSIK . FESTIVAL. S F ::: Trance/Progressive: BT Deep Dish Max Graham Dave Ralph Jimmy Van M Saeed & Palash Tiesto House/Techno: Doc Martin Derrick Carter Dj Dan Mark Farina Bad Boy Bill H-Foundation Ron Reeser The New Deal Drum&Bass: Grooverider MC GQ LTJ Bukem MC Conrad DJ Rap Beta 01 Hip Hop: De La Soul Biz Markie Common Pharoahe Monche Talib Kweli Mix Mastermike Dj Craze 408-794-0131 . 415-721-4713 . 510-273-9317 . 916-930-1170 . 310-335-0303 More info coming SOON...STAY TUNED!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68430-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 04:43:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11884 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 04:43:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11873 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 04:43:01 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c109c3$6c019400$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: ".aryck." To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" , "Deepfog" References: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:39:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] record sites w/audio? This is SSU's store, they sell like hardcore, happycore, trancecore, d&b, etc. . . http://www.subsonicstore.com/ And this is dr freeclouds, mostly like hardcore hardcore. . . http://www.drfreeclouds.com/ : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68431-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 04:50:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17707 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 04:50:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17694 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 04:50:26 -0000 Message-ID: <005501c109c4$7560c240$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: ".aryck." To: Cc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:46:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C10989.C8633940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] I still have one kitten left !!!! : ) ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C10989.C8633940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable okay. . . so most of the kitties have gotten groovie lil homes. . . = theres one young guy, a lil orange boy (kind of a fraidie catt though), = prolly like 9 wks old maybe, maybe 8 ???=20 he needs a nice happy loud music playing home where he can sleep on = your face at nite and tear the hell out of pretty much anything that's = not harder than his talons when you're gone at wherever. . .=20 he's still a sweet lil guy though. . .=20 I have a pic somewhere and I just killed my camera so umm. . . let = me know if you want a pic. . . normal orange kitten though, has all of = his legs n everything (I didn't count his toes though), teeth, fur, all = that good stuff everyone wants in a kitten , I'd like it if he was in a home where like HE was like center of the = universe y'know, like he gets his way, sleeps where he wants, all of = that. As long as he's pampered as much as possible. . .=20 take care all aryck ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C10989.C8633940-- From sfraves-return-68432-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 06:03:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50703 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 06:03:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50692 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 06:03:03 -0000 From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:06:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C10994.F0908F20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TRi // ELECTRONIC TRANSMISSION .003 // UPDATE ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C10994.F0908F20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0009_01C10994.F0908F20" ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C10994.F0908F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | TECHNOREPUBLIC.NET > ELECTRONIC TRANSMISSION | ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: ( Sector 1 of 4 ) Two of the SF scene's moguls, Clockwork Eventz & Spundae, unite to bring the only Labor Day Weekend event in Northern California complete with a signature top-notch line-up of mega proportion. Trance/Progressive: BT Deep Dish Max Graham Dave Ralph Jimmy Van M Saeed & Palash Tiesto House/Techno: Doc Martin Derrick Carter Dj Dan Mark Farina Bad Boy Bill H-Foundation Ron Reeser The New Deal Drum&Bass: Grooverider LTJ Bukem MC Conrad Dj Rap MC GQ Beta 01 Hip Hop: De La Soul Biz Markie Common Pharoahe Monche Talib Kweli Mix Mastermike Dj Craze 408-794-0131 . 415-721-4713 . 510-273-9317 . 916-930-1170 . 310-335-0303 ::: A R E A . 5 1 ::: ( Sector 2 of 4 ) We started off these transmissions with information about winning free tickets to Metropolis & Serenity and this week we'll be giving away two free tickets to AREA 51 : Crop Circles in the Sun THEUNITEDSTATESWESTENDMASSIVE : A Universal Unity Technology and Music Festival Saturday, July 21st, 2001. Visit the "CONTESTS" area of www.technorepublic.net for further information on ticket giveaways for Area 51. Join us as we transform over 300,000 square feet of prime SF real estate into an event called AREA 51. For the last 2 years we have been planning and building up the anticipation for the first AREA 51 of the new Millennium! This is it! Promotions are on a grand scale nationwide! Bus shuttles will be arranged from all over the west coast. World renowned artists and djs will be teleported into San Francisco with the help of our little gray friends. A full scale interplanetary production which incorporates all of the dreams of a huge number of Bay Area production companies, will be unlike anything we have ever experienced before. AREA 51 will land in San Francisco CA on Saturday July 21st 2001 This 12 hour interplanetary gathering will feature: -Six massive themed dance arenas full of intergalactic artwork -Over 50 world class djs, producers, and mc's -The most amazing interactive production to ever be experienced at an event of this nature -Subconscious ultra-violet inversion -Multi-color dual hyper-velocity proton beams -Full-spectrum protoplasmic tacyon fields -Subsonic servo drivers -Triple-radiant robotic lighting -Extra-terrestrial illumination -Mind altering astral projections -Hyperactive digital imagery -Space Divas -Giant alien visitors whom you only see, if you believe -Friendly security team featuring the MIB -21+ full service alien space port -All aliens 18 lt-yrs or older are welcome! LIVE365 WILL BE FACILITATING REAL-TIME SATELLITE STREAMING AROUND THE PLANET EARTH. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL IN SAN FRANCISCO'S HISTORY TO EVER BE BROADCAST LIVE ON THE INTERNET!!! Join the masses of the global dance community and prepare yourself for the best AREA 51 of all time! CHECK THIS AWESOME LINE UP! ALIEN NATION HOUSE INVASION - (House) MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO (live pa) - For this special one off performance, Meat Beat will be putting together their first performance in over 2&1/2 years. This is an EXCLUSIVE WEST COAST performance and will not appear in any other city. DAVE ANGEL - London, UK - Rotation Records Proclaimed as "One of the major Techno talents in Britain" by Echoes Magazine, Dave Angel's work has created a massive buzz in the clubs and among his loyal fans to this day. Dave continues to create music that is regarded as some of the bravest and influential dance music that the UK has produced. DJ IRENE - LA - UC Music This world class dj and producer has a residency at the "Arena" nightclub in LA. This event marks the beginning of her US tour which is a cd release for "Audio Underground" on UC Music. HATIRAS - Toronto, Canada - Liquid Adrenaline, IHR, Defected Hatiras has become notorious for his slammin' sets that largely feature unreleased material and attract the attention of DJs abound curious to hear the sounds of the future. Greg Sandler - Harmony: Area 51 marks the release of Greg Sandler's latest release on KNOWLEDGE RECORDS titled, "Gimme a beat." Angel Alanis - LA - A Squared, Catalyst, Champion Sound Joey Mazzola - Soulmatic and Rocker music - With residencies @ Recycle and Spundae, Joey is one of the hottest djs in SF. David Garcia - With the launch of his new label (Soulmatic) and his current release "Robofunk" on Soul Phusion being licensed on Moonshine, David is becoming an extreemly sough after dj/producer. Ron Reeser - (aka dj Rktech) - Clockwork -This guy just threw the greatest event in SF history! METROPOLIS @ 3 COM PARK! DREAMLAND - (Trance)**Featuring the UK INVASION SUN PROJECT <--- JUST ADDED!!! More info to come BABY DOC & SJ (live pa) London, UK - Arriba Records, React Baby Doc is now widely recognized as the Godfather of the UK hard house sound and together with S-J they are achieving cult status around the world with their unique live show. BINARY FINARY (live pa) London, UK - Positiva Records, Bonzai Records, Yelo Records The creators of the #1 dance track of the decade, "1998." Futuristic synthesizers and magic is what creates Binary's unique sound. Free yourself from genre defining boundaries - this is Binary Finary music, set to rocket us into the next millennium. TINRIB (live pa) London, UK - Tinrib Records, the UK's #1 Hard House label Captain Tinrib is not just a name on a record. His live performances provide the perfect chance for him to combine the two things in life he loves the most - his music & partying! He is certainly a unique individual with a talent and personality that sets him apart from the rest. Dutch Gianni Armann St John Tom Slik WHIRLWIND WONDERLAND - (nrg / hardcore) - Featuring the United States of Hardcore Vol 3 - mixed release RON D CORE AND DEMIGOD - LA - Dr. Freeclouds, System Records, Industrial Strength, Insomniac Simon Apex Thomas Trouble Dj D Uphonic Icon Tracer Morgan Kemical Kidd Telene Alias Frank Nitty VORTEX ZONE - (tekno) - Featuring the SONIC GROOVES TOUR - NYC FRANKIE BONES AND HEATHER HEART - NYC - Sonic Grooves Bryan Zentz aka Barada - Virginia - In-tec, Primate, Rotation, FSAM John Selway - NYC - Tronic, In-tec, Seratonin records Andre Morant (aka. Jack Mackrel) - Chicago - Blueline, Planet Rhythm, Compound Dawn of Sound Justi CYDONIA - (drum n bass) - Featuring the FORMATION RECORDS TOUR (UK) DJ SS AND MC WARREN G TWISTED INDIVIDUAL Stareyes Hak Double Cross (live pa) Megatron Rif + MORE TBA!!! INTOXICATION STATION - (21+ Beer Garden) - Featuring the BEST OF SF HOUSE Simon Tony David Colman and Sensei (live pa) Richard and Melanie Summer Hayes Spun and Rick Preston Happy Kid Marty Masonic (thump) Markie (Wicked) Dj Huey Visit www.universalunity.com www.thump-radio.com/area51 www.harmonyproductions.com for all the up to date event info! or call (408)486-9591 or (415)289-6788 For vending or industry information please contact industry@universalunity.com Online presale flight passes are on sale right now!!! You can purchase them at: www.acteva.com/go/area51 www.groovetickets.com www.thump-radio.com/area51 *Presale tickets are in stores everywhere: Solid Grooves 2271 The Alameda-San Jose 408-248-6399 Brainchild Records Valley Fair Mall - San Jose 408-292-8381 Vibes 1222 El Camino-Redwood City 650-299-0230 Remix 508 E. 3rd Ave - San Mateo 650-344-8060 UltraSounz 482 SanMateo Ave- San Bruno 650-871-4170 Pipeline 818 Pacific Ave-Santa Cruz 831-425-7473 Rock Zone 1280 1st st. #B-Gilroy 408-848-5055 The Krate 1274 N.Main St.-Salinas 831-443-6580 Bass Records 36488 Fremont Blvd.-Fremont 510-739-1862 Twilight Zone 24058 Mission Blvd-Hayward 510-538-7945 Charlottes Web 2160 Railroad Ave-Livermore 925-449-6165 Skills 2575 Telegraph Ave-Berkley 510-704-9876 Generation Rock 1820 Mt.Diablo St-Concord 925-682-9042 Spundae Records 678 Haight St - SF 415-575-1580 F-8 1816 Haight St - SF 415-221-4142 Distractions 1552 Haight St - SF 415-252-8751 Harmonics 480 Mendocino -Santa Rosa 707-571-8747 In Tha Mix 2329 I St.-Sacramento 916-442-0499 Armadillo Music 205 F St- Davis 530-758-8058 The Vinyl Shop 413 Burney st.-Modesto 209-238-9734 Legacy Imports 526 W. Ben Holt-Stockton 209-474-9009 ::: T E C H N O R E P U B L I C ::: ( Sector 3 of 4 ) STAY PLUGGED-IN FOR FURTHER TRANSMISSIONS AND UPDATES >>> DeeJays Area Coming Soon!!! ::: B O D Y R O C K . R E C O R D S ::: ( Sector 4 of 4 ) New record store in San Jose soon to come. Dedicated to underground music, Bodyrock Records will contain various mediums of house, techno, and hip hop. Along with vinyl, cd/cassette, and clothing sales, Bodyrock will also feature an audio/video recording and editing studio, as well as sound and lighting rentals for small gatherings. More info will be provided in future TRi electronic transmissions. TechnoRepublic.net : An Electronic Music Resource Console : http://www.technorepublic.net This message was sent out to the subscribers of the TechnoRepublic.net email list. If you are receiving this in error, please respond with UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject and you will be removed. Feel free to forward this electronic transmission. 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::: M E K K A . T O U R . S=20 F:::    ( Sector=20 1 of 4 = )
Two of=20 the SF scene's moguls, Clockwork Eventz=20 & Spundae, unite to bring the only Labor Day Weekend event in Northern California complete = with=20 a signature top-notch line-up of = mega=20 proportion.

Trance/Progressive:
BT
Deep Dish
Max=20 Graham
Dave Ralph
Jimmy Van M
Saeed=20 & Palash
Tiesto
House/Techno:
Doc = Martin
Derrick=20 Carter
Dj Dan
Mark = Farina
Bad Boy=20 Bill
H-Foundation
Ron Reeser
The New=20 Deal
Drum&Bass:
Grooverider
LTJ Bukem
MC=20 Conrad
Dj Rap
MC = GQ
Beta=20 01
Hip=20 Hop:
De La Soul
Biz Markie
Common
Pharoahe = Monche
Talib=20 Kweli
Mix Mastermike
Dj Craze

408-794-0131=20 . 415-721-4713=20 . 510-273-9317=20 . 916-930-1170 = . 310-335-0303
 
 
::: A R = E=20 A . 5 1 :::    ( Sector 2 of 4 )
We started off these transmissions = with=20 information about winning free = tickets to=20 Metropolis & Serenity = and=20 this week we'll be giving away = two free=20 tickets to

AREA 51 : Crop = Circles in=20 the Sun
THEUNITEDSTATESWESTENDMASSIVE : A Universal = Unity=20 Technology and Music Festival
Saturday, July 21st, 2001.
 
Visit the "CONTESTS" area of www.technorepublic.net f= or=20 further information on ticket giveaways for Area 51. 

Join us as we transform over 300,000 square feet of prime SF real = estate into an event called AREA 51. For the = last 2=20 years we have been planning and = building=20 up the anticipation for the first AREA 51 of the new Millennium!  This is it!

Promotions = are on a=20 grand scale nationwide! Bus shuttles will be arranged from all over the west coast. = World=20 renowned artists and djs will be teleported into San Francisco = with the=20 help of our little gray friends. A
full scale interplanetary = production which=20 incorporates all of the dreams of = a huge=20 number of Bay Area production companies, will be unlike anything we have ever experienced=20 before.

AREA 51 will land in San Francisco CA on Saturday = July=20 21st 2001

This 12 hour interplanetary gathering = will=20 feature:
-Six massive themed dance arenas full of = intergalactic=20 artwork
-Over 50 world class djs, producers, and mc's
-The most = amazing=20 interactive production to ever be experienced at an event
of this=20 nature
-Subconscious ultra-violet inversion
-Multi-color dual=20 hyper-velocity proton beams
-Full-spectrum protoplasmic tacyon=20 fields
-Subsonic servo drivers
-Triple-radiant robotic=20 lighting
-Extra-terrestrial illumination
-Mind altering astral=20 projections
-Hyperactive digital imagery
-Space Divas
-Giant = alien=20 visitors whom you only see, if you believe
-Friendly security team = featuring=20 the MIB
-21+ full service alien space port
-All aliens 18 lt-yrs = or older=20 are welcome!


LIVE365 WILL BE FACILITATING REAL-TIME SATELLITE = STREAMING=20 AROUND THE PLANET EARTH. = THIS WILL BE=20 THE FIRST ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL IN SAN=20 FRANCISCO'S HISTORY TO EVER BE BROADCAST LIVE ON THE=20 INTERNET!!!

Join the masses of the global dance community and prepare = yourself for=20 the best AREA 51 of all=20 time!

CHECK THIS AWESOME LINE=20 UP!

ALIEN NATION HOUSE INVASION -=20 (House)

MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO (live pa)
- For = this=20 special one off performance, Meat Beat will be putting together their first performance in over = 2&1/2=20 years. This is an EXCLUSIVE WEST COAST=20 performance and will not appear in any other = city.

DAVE=20 ANGEL - London, UK - Rotation Records
Proclaimed as "One of = the=20 major Techno talents in Britain" by Echoes=20 Magazine, Dave Angel's work has created a massive buzz in the = clubs=20 and among his loyal fans to this = day. Dave=20 continues to create music that is = regarded=20 as some of the bravest and influential dance music that the UK has produced.

DJ = IRENE - LA=20 - UC Music
This world class dj and producer has a residency at the = "Arena"=20 nightclub in LA. This event = marks the=20 beginning of her US tour which is a cd release for
"Audio = Underground" on UC=20 Music.

HATIRAS - Toronto, Canada - Liquid = Adrenaline,=20 IHR, Defected
Hatiras has = become=20 notorious for his slammin' sets that largely feature unreleased material and attract the = attention=20 of DJs abound curious to hear = the sounds=20 of the future.

Greg Sandler - Harmony:=20 Area 51 marks the release of Greg Sandler's latest release on=20 KNOWLEDGE RECORDS titled, "Gimme = a=20 beat."

Angel Alanis - LA - A Squared, Catalyst, Champion = Sound
Joey=20 Mazzola - Soulmatic and Rocker music - With residencies @ Recycle and=20 Spundae, Joey is one of the = hottest djs in=20 SF.
David Garcia - With the launch of his new label (Soulmatic) and = his=20 current release "Robofunk" on Soul=20 Phusion being licensed on Moonshine, David is becoming an extreemly = sough after=20 dj/producer.
Ron Reeser - (aka dj Rktech) - Clockwork -This guy just = threw=20 the greatest event in SF history!=20 METROPOLIS @ 3 COM PARK!
 

DREAMLAND - (Trance)**Featuring the UK=20 INVASION
SUN PROJECT <--- JUST ADDED!!! More info to = come

BABY DOC & SJ (live pa) London, UK - = Arriba=20 Records, React
Baby Doc is now widely recognized as the Godfather of = the UK=20 hard house sound and together = with S-J=20 they are achieving cult status around the world=20 with their unique live show.

BINARY = FINARY (live=20 pa) London, UK - Positiva Records, Bonzai Records, Yelo Records
The creators of the #1 = dance track=20 of the decade, "1998." Futuristic=20 synthesizers and magic is what creates Binary's unique sound. = Free=20 yourself from genre defining = boundaries -=20 this is Binary Finary music, set to rocket=20 us into the next millennium.

TINRIB (live = pa)=20 London, UK - Tinrib Records, the UK's #1 Hard House label
Captain = Tinrib is=20 not just a name on a record. His live performances provide the perfect chance for him to combine = the two=20 things in life he loves the most - his music & partying! He is = certainly a=20 unique individual with a talent = and=20 personality that sets him apart from the=20 rest.

Dutch
Gianni
Armann
St John
Tom = Slik

WHIRLWIND=20 WONDERLAND - (nrg / hardcore)
- Featuring the United States of = Hardcore Vol 3=20 - mixed release
RON D CORE AND DEMIGOD - LA - Dr.=20 Freeclouds, System Records, Industrial
Strength, Insomniac
Simon=20 Apex
Thomas Trouble
Dj = D
Uphonic
Icon
Tracer
Morgan
Kemical=20 Kidd
Telene
Alias
Frank Nitty

VORTEX = ZONE -=20 (tekno)
- Featuring the SONIC GROOVES TOUR - NYC
FRANKIE = BONES AND=20 HEATHER HEART - NYC - Sonic Grooves
Bryan = Zentz aka=20 Barada - Virginia - In-tec, Primate, Rotation, FSAM
John=20 Selway - NYC - Tronic, In-tec, Seratonin = records
Andre=20 Morant (aka. Jack Mackrel) - Chicago - Blueline, Planet=20 Rhythm,
Compound
Dawn of = Sound
Justi

CYDONIA -=20 (drum n bass)
- Featuring the FORMATION RECORDS TOUR = (UK)
DJ SS=20 AND MC WARREN G
TWISTED = INDIVIDUAL
Stareyes
Hak
Double=20 Cross (live pa)
Megatron
Rif
+ MORE = TBA!!!

INTOXICATION=20 STATION - (21+ Beer Garden)
- Featuring the BEST OF SF=20 HOUSE
Simon
Tony
David Colman and Sensei (live pa)
Richard = and=20 Melanie Summer Hayes
Spun and Rick Preston
Happy Kid = Marty
Masonic=20 (thump)
Markie (Wicked)
Dj Huey

 
Visit
www.universalunity.com
www.thump-radio.com/area51=
www.harmonyproductions.com

for=20 all the up to date event info!

or call (408)486-9591 or=20 (415)289-6788

For vending or industry information please = contact
industry@universalunity.com

Online=20 presale flight passes are on sale right now!!!
You can purchase them at:

www.acteva.com/go/area51
=
www.groovetickets.com

<= A=20 href=3D"http://www.thump-radio.com/area51">www.thump-radio.com/area51=

*Presale=20 tickets are in stores everywhere:

Solid Grooves 2271 The = Alameda-San Jose 408-248-6399
Brainchild Records Valley Fair Mall - = San Jose=20 408-292-8381
Vibes 1222 El Camino-Redwood City 650-299-0230
Remix = 508 E.=20 3rd Ave - San Mateo 650-344-8060
UltraSounz 482 SanMateo Ave- San = Bruno=20 650-871-4170
Pipeline 818 Pacific Ave-Santa Cruz 831-425-7473
Rock = Zone=20 1280 1st st. #B-Gilroy 408-848-5055
The Krate 1274 N.Main St.-Salinas = 831-443-6580
Bass Records 36488 Fremont Blvd.-Fremont=20 510-739-1862
Twilight Zone 24058 Mission Blvd-Hayward=20 510-538-7945
Charlottes Web 2160 Railroad Ave-Livermore=20 925-449-6165
Skills 2575 Telegraph Ave-Berkley = 510-704-9876
Generation=20 Rock 1820 Mt.Diablo St-Concord 925-682-9042
Spundae Records 678 = Haight St -=20 SF 415-575-1580
F-8 1816 Haight St - SF 415-221-4142
Distractions = 1552=20 Haight St - SF 415-252-8751
Harmonics 480 Mendocino -Santa Rosa=20 707-571-8747
In Tha Mix 2329 I St.-Sacramento = 916-442-0499
Armadillo Music=20 205 F St- Davis 530-758-8058
The Vinyl Shop 413 Burney st.-Modesto=20 209-238-9734
Legacy Imports 526 W. Ben Holt-Stockton=20 209-474-9009

::: T E C H N O R E P U B L = I C=20 :::    ( Sector = 3=20 of 4 = )
STAY=20 PLUGGED-IN FOR FURTHER TRANSMISSIONS AND UPDATES >>> DeeJays = Area Coming Soon!!!

::: B O D Y R O C K . R E C O R D = S :::    (=20 Sector 4 of 4 )
New record store = in San=20 Jose soon to come.  Dedicated to underground music, Bodyrock=20 Records will contain various = mediums=20 of house, techno, and hip hop. Along with vinyl, cd/cassette, and=20 clothing sales, Bodyrock will = also feature=20 an audio/video recording and editing studio, as well as sound = and lighting rentals for small = gatherings. =20 More info will be provided in future TRi electronic=20 transmissions.

TechnoRepublic.net : An Electronic Music = Resource=20 Console : http://www.technorepublic.net=

This message was sent out to the subscribers of the = TechnoRepublic.net=20 email list. If you are receiving = this in error, please respond with = UNSUBSCRIBE=20 as the subject and you will be = removed.=20 Feel free to forward this electronic transmission. THANKS=20 =3D)

------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C10994.F0908F20-- ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C10994.F0908F20-- From sfraves-return-68433-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 06:28:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65322 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 06:28:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65312 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 06:28:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.21] From: "Dean Machine" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: sf-jungle@saturn5.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:28:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 06:28:11.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[A84A2C60:01C109D2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Some issues on Compression at An Sibin and venting hi there i just want to make it known how ridiculously wack compression is at an sibin...for anyone that has been there before, u know that even though it is a "21+" club, it is really 18 and over....I go to an sibin a lot not just for compression but for other weekly events that go on there...i think it is a cool place so im not going to rag on the venue but i am gonna talk some ish about compression... i remember when i was a raver a while ago, these same people who were so busy with their social politics, are still pathetic, name dropping, scenester jerk offs...so wrapped up in their own little scene they need to get off their high horses...now it is just funny to me, now being 21 that the same shit those people were pulling is still going on..it's totally pathetic so i get to compression last Sunday and i have been there many many many times...obviously recognizable...now on the way in i forgot to bring my wallet and therefore my ID...the door girls who have seen me many times made a huge deal about my ID even though the bartender and other people could vouch for me...well they were immensely rude because i was not part of their cool inner circle...but it made me mad because i could see in the bar that there were people that i know for a fact are not 21 let alone even 20!!! Then to make matter worse they jack me for my 20 bucks and are rude about it too.... now to go past their rudeness and immaturity...all i have to say is that compression is not a club for people to have fun...compression is a club for CERTAIN "cool inner circle" people to enjoy themselves....plus charging a cover charge when the promoter does not pay any rent for the venue, nor for the tables (that are permanent in the club) and the djs/Mcs (who are friends with the premoters)...so basically they make about over 100 percent profit oh well im not trying to deter anyone else going to compression but i for one will never go on sunday nights ever again... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68434-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 06:36:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71525 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 06:36:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71515 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 06:36:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711063604.52923.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:36:04 -0700 (PDT) From: beatsincrease To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010710173113.A17927@nebcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! Ya, just having a bit of fun with y'all on a lazy tuesday afternoon :) George C. --- Ari Gordon-Schlosberg wrote: > It is alcohol. "Alcohol" is the layman's term for ethanol. > > [nomadicDJ ] > > Well, it certainly has the same detrimental effects as alcohol; > inability to > > drive properly, liver problems, etc . . . I think that one was a > good bit > > of satire! Well done whoever you are =) > > > > .:nomadic:. > > www.nomadicDJ.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: matt newell [mailto:matt@sweetillusions.org] > > Sent: 10 July 2001 04:19 > > To: beatsincrease; sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! > > Importance: Low > > > > > > > > raiding dance venues that serve alcohol? april fool's? > > > > > > CH3CH2OH = ethanol = alcohol > > > > "Ethanol's most common use is in alcoholic drinks. Physiologically > it acts > > as a depressant, despite its apparent stimulant effect caused by > removal of > > inhibitions." > > > > http://www.xrefer.com/entry/641010 > > > > > > > > > > .. matt > > > > .. www.sweetillusions.org > > .. matt@sweetillusions.org > > > > .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "beatsincrease" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 4:07 PM > > Subject: [sfraves] SRR: DEA Crackdown!!!!!! > > > > > > : Excerpted from Reuters Newswire: > > : > > : The DEA released information today pertaining to the discovery of > a new > > : "Rave Drug". The compound, identified as CH3CH2OH, but with a > variety > > : of street names such as "Booze", "Suds", and, cryptically, "Hair > Of the > > : Dog", seems poised to take a major toll on the health of American > > : youth. "We had always thought CH3CH2OH was a pretty benign > thing, > > : something upstanding citizens could enjoy safely, like Nicotine," > > : explains DEA chief of staff Carl Verhoven, "However, we recently > > : started recieving a torrent of reports of kids, some barely 25, > using > > : the stuff like crazy at "Rave Parties", dancing like lunatics, > and > > : crashing thier automobiles left and right. We knew then that we > were > > : facing a real threat. It boggles the mind to think that we as a > > : society have ignored this 'silent killer' for so long.". In > recent > > : tests, CH3CH2OH has been shown to cause heavy intoxication, moral > > : depravity, and inability to pilot vehicles safely. Health issues > such > > : as liver and brain damage were also common amongst the test > cases. > > : "We're currently setting up a task force to crack down on venues > that > > : flagrantly continue to serve this dangerous drug," said Verhoven, > "We > > : plan to start raiding the dance venues and events first, as the > patrons > > : of these places are typically the worst abusers. We then plan to > look > > : into other possible outlets such as bars and liquor stores." > > : > > : __________________________________________________ > > : Do You Yahoo!? > > : Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > : http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > : > > : > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > : To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > : For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > : > > : > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- > Ari there is no spoon > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68435-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 07:00:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86015 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 07:00:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85999 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 07:00:52 -0000 X-envelope-info: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:01:06 -0700 From: Mac Skinner To: sfraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] tech-house ! on 7/10/01 3:57 PM, Josh Mitchell at josh@cloudfactory.org wrote: >>> helloooooooo list - >>> >>> Does anyone know of some Record stores that have a good selection of >>> tech-house? > > I would way Harmonics in Santa Rosa-although i have not been in > awhile. Also Tweakin on lower haight would be good places to start. > > jahsh > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > I would definately come and check out our house selection at harmonics. URN and myself have been keeping up with some of the latest house and techno grooves that are out there. Give me a call and we'll go through some stuff that works for you. And just in case you can't find our new location....we are at: 404 Mendocino Ave. Suite D Santa Rosa, Ca 95401 707-571-8747 ps. Thanx jahsh....and call me sometime soon cause I need to talk to you. MAC --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68436-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 08:22:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26985 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 08:22:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26975 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 08:22:00 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: julie ranoa To: Jinnes , The_List Reply-To: HuLaGirLJuLiE@hawaiicity.com X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.101.159] Message-Id: <20010711082152.AC3E736F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] *SERENITY REVIEW* yes! Serenity was awesome! wow! i'm still sore from dancing all night! whew! the Concourse is such a great party place-like a huge ass warehouse! Humpty had me goin' off! then Nostrum went off too! playing his infamous what i like to call "door bell track"... heehheee =) i saw a lot of my friends, met some new ones...hi Jamie! and had a fantabulous time! omg! i LOVED that psychadelic tent! i want to live in there! beautiful! i was groovin' upstairs too-how nice to have so much room to dance-david garcia and rkteck were rockin' out...oh yeah, i have to mention the jungle area! oh shit! i went off! for some reason, i felt like i was in that part in Human Traffic when the junglists just go off the wall and start dancing all CraZily!!! in the dj shop!i don't know, i guess i just haven't gone off to the D&b in a long time! i definently got my energy out that whole night! sweatin' buckets! damn! i was feelin it! ok, so glad to hear ya'll had a good time! love you! aloha and plur>>>>>>>>love, Hula girl ** Julie** btw: i was wearing a pink tank top that said hula girl on it if ya' saw me =) =) peace! --- Jinnes > wrote: >
Good Morning all!!
>So, ok, I'm usually just lurking around the list and I never respond or 
>post anything BUT I had to give a little shout out about SERENITY(be prepared 
>I'm long winded *LOL*). Wow, I had a really fabulous time, the music just 
>kept me moving all night. So we didn't get there until about 9ish b/c my 
>friends worked late and once we got there we had some online ticket issues(ugh!) 
>BUT Yarrow was so awesome, totally helpful and once I talked to him it was 
>all fine! So thank you SOOO much for your help! Once we got in I went by 
>myself over to the jungle area where Vixen(i think) was spinning but unfortunately 
>the power went our (grrrr!!) so i walked over to the house room and BAM 
>power goes out, well I was getting bummed(cuz my whole day and night had 
>been rather bad to start off with) but as soon as it went back on I went 
>up front to catch the rest of Joey's set and DAMN from then on I didn't 
>stop dancing, and BTW thanks SO much for the tape Joey it's awesome! So 
>there I am standing up at the decks at the end of Joey's set and RHV comes 
>on, *OMG* *WOW* I really can't say much more if you were there you know 
>what I'm talking about, the whole room was just crazy. I probably stood 
>up front for a good half of his set then I went back and founds some of 
>my friends to dance with and met some new people too. Though towards the 
>end I was itching for some Jungle/D'n'B so I walked over to the area and 
>DAMN am I glad I did, Frank Nitty was on spinning some wicked old school, 
>my friend was up there dancing up a storn so I had to join her. WOW, Frank 
>rocked, and at the end of his set hooked us up with some free CD's, *yay* 
>So after that I didn't think the music could get any better but was I wrong, 
>at around 12ish NOSTRUM went on and I thought I had died and gone to heaven, 
>some really beautiful stuff, I was really excited, cuz though I'm not much 
>into trance I thought his set was incredible. So all in all I have to say 
>SERENITY was really great, it was just continuously good music one dj after 
>the other. Thank You Mystical Mayhem. *phew* ok I'm done. hehe. 
>Jenn
>
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To: Cc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:30:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C109A9.05BA4120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths (2) ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C109A9.05BA4120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this is some info I copied from another list . . . I don't know what = 2-CT-7 is really, but I thought I'd pass these by. . . theres 2 articles = here, heres both links if you don't want to read it here. . .=20 be safe all aryck http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7_death1.shtml http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7_death2.shtml =20 =20 After reviewing information from anonymous sources and news reports=20 carefuly, it appears that the first reported death directly associated = with=20 2C-T-7 use has occurred. =20 Summary: After insufflating 35 milligrams of 2C-T-7, a young man died = after=20 being taken to the emergency room. His death was reported in the local=20 newspaper as a drug overdose and the police have been informed as to = the=20 identity of the drug. =20 On Sunday, October 15, 2000, a 20 year old man in Norman Oklahoma=20 insufflated aproximately 35 mg (see note) of 2C-T-7 at a private = gathering=20 and within 20 minutes became agitated, frightened, and cold. He yelled=20 about 'evil spirits' and retreated to a corner to try to get warm. He = had=20 some mild vomiting early on (which is not particularly unusual with = many=20 psychedelics), but otherwise seemed 'fine' for the first 60-90 minutes=20 after insufflation. Because of his agitated state, however, his friends = kept an eye on him. Somewhere about 90 minutes after he took the = 2C-T-7, he=20 started having convulsions, vomiting, and began bleeding heavily from = his=20 nose. At this point, his friends immediately realized that there was a=20 problem and drove him to the hospital. They noticed he had stopped=20 breathing and reportedly tried to clear his airway several times before = they arrived. Soon after they arrived at the hospital, he went into = cardiac=20 arrest and died. Initially his death was ascribed to 'cardiac arrest', = but=20 the final medical examiner's report found no evidence of aspiration of=20 vomit or other obvious cause of death. The ME's report rules it a = "2C-T-7=20 Overdose", with signs of pulmonary (lung) edema and abrasion of the = tongue=20 (indicating seizures or convulsions). The mechanism of death is not = really=20 understood yet. =20 Initially the death was reported as "suspicious" by the Norman = Transcript,=20 but was reported later that week as a "possible drug overdose". The = police=20 questioned the friends who were present and were told that the = substance=20 was 2C-T-7 and were given the remaining chemical to analyze. = Reportedly,=20 the material was analyzed and verified pure by the police. According to = an=20 anonymous source, the man had tried 2C-T-7 once previously and had=20 experienced no health problems. =20 Erowid received a note on April 18, 2001 indicating that a formal = autopsy=20 had been completed on Jake and that the cause of death was not = aspirating=20 on vomit as initially suspected. We received a copy of the report in = early=20 May and the coroner found no evidence of vomit inhalation. =20 We have received several reports of experiences with 2C-T-7 involving=20 delerium and vomiting. Insufflation appears, from the limited data, to = be=20 more prone to problems than oral and may increase the risk of adverse=20 reactions. One of the more common causes of deaths directly attributed = to=20 psychoactives is inhaling or 'aspiriating' vomit, choking, and then=20 asphyxiating (impairing breathing). This most frequently occurs with=20 depressants which suppress the gag reflex, produce unconsciousness, and = make a person unable to respond to the choking. =20 People who choose to use 2C-T-7, or any research chemical, should be=20 extremely careful and should have a sober sitter present. Please read = the=20 Research Chemical FAQ and be aware you're taking a risk. =20 If you have experienced any side effects, health complications, or = lasting=20 effects from 2C-T-7 use, please submit them to our 2C-T-7 Usage Survey. =20 Notes: Dosage Note Initial reports through anonymous sources close to = the=20 accident said that the 35mg dosage was weighed on a highly accurate = scale=20 and the range of error was very low. A later report from the same = sources=20 said that there had been some initial misunderstanding and the decedent = may=20 have taken an unknown amount of 2CT7 and the measured doses were used = by=20 others. November 30, 2000. =20 =20 ---------------------------------------- 2nd article http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7_death2.shtml =20 =20 On Monday, April 2 2001, we received an anonymous report of a second = male=20 death related to 2C-T-7, this time in Memphis, Tennessee. There were = two=20 news stories discussing two "ecstasy related" deaths over the weekend, = both=20 of which are rumoured to be 2C-T-7 deaths. The two stories were = published=20 on goMemphis.com one on April 3 (Cached Copy), and one on April 4 = (Cached=20 Copy). We have so far not found verifiable details about the female who = died that weekend in Memphis, but the two deaths do not appear to be=20 related. If you know of any details about this or other incidents, = please=20 send them to death_reports@erowid.org =20 The details, as we have them, are that Joshua Robbins, 17, took a hit = of=20 ecstasy around 4pm Saturday afternoon, March 31, with friends and after = he=20 came down, between 10 and 11 pm he swallowed a single minithin (25mg=20 ephedrine, 5mg Guaifenisen). Wanting to continue his experience, he = found=20 someone with carefully weighed 25-30mg amounts of 2C-T-7. Joshua = reportedly=20 asked for "a little extra". Sometime around 2:30am Sunday April 1, he=20 decided to try 2C-T-7 for the first time and insufflated somewhere = between=20 30 and 35mg of the chemical in the presence of a small group of people. = [erowid note: this is an extremely high dose and similar to the dose = that=20 killed Jake Duroy in October 2000.] =20 According to the anonymous reports, Joshua was not on any other=20 medications, had no other psychoactives with him, and was in the = presence=20 of others for the whole evening. Within 5 minutes of having snorted the = material, he began vomiting and continued vomiting for "at least 30-40=20 minutes". While the people around him were concerned, they knew of = others=20 who had vomited heavily after taking 2C-T-7, but had not died, so they = did=20 not immediately react with alarm. =20 Sometime later, Joshua became dissociated and violent and had to be=20 forcibly dragged outside to the parking lot. There is a short period=20 between when he was taken outside and when he was found lying = unconscious=20 in a friend's car that we don't have any information about what = happened.=20 His friend wrote: "My friend had a history of having crazy trips, and had eaten a lot of = LSD=20 in his young life. Previous bad trips yielded similar reactions: = mumbling,=20 calling out people's names, ripping off the clothes running around = wildly,=20 but I dont know if he ever became this violent. He was physically = small,=20 but he punched, kicked, and bit me and the person helping me in an=20 agressive manner that belied his very small frame. It was like an evil=20 spirit was leaving his body." A sheriff came to the location because of the noise and disturbance, = but=20 left because the situation had quieted down. Shortly after the Sheriff=20 left, one of Joshua's friends found him in the front passenger seat of = his=20 car and realized that he needed emergency care. =20 According to an anonymous report erowid received, "I found my friend sitting in the passenger seat in a U-Shape, neck = craned=20 back, naked, eyes rolled back in his head. I immediately went to the=20 emergency room, but he expired in my car on the way there, of that I am = certain. He was not responding to me from the time I got into the car = to=20 the time we got to the emergency room. =20 He spent the last minutes of his life screaming at the top of his = lungs, 'I=20 DONT WANT TO DIE! THIS IS STUPID!' and I have a feeling that he was = still=20 violent when the people put him into my car and said that he had = 'calmed=20 down'." Reportedly, Joshua's friend told the hospital and police that the = problem=20 was the 2C-T-7, but they appear to have focused mostly on the ecstasy = he=20 had taken at 4pm, nearly 12 hours prior to his death. They were told = about=20 the 2C-T-7 death report on erowid, but goMemphis.com stories indicate = that=20 they consider 'adulterated ecstasy' the cause of death. =20 According to his friend, Joshua "claimed to have read information about = the=20 drug on Erowid prior to our obtaining it, and I trusted his judgement. = My=20 involvement with experimentals was and is very limited, his grasp of=20 hallucinogens and experimentals far exceeded my own. He was = exceptionally=20 well-read on these matters, very bright, and far too young. 17 years = old,=20 to be exact." =20 The crew at erowid is extremely sad to hear about more deaths and = injuries=20 that can and should be avoided. Not all psychoactive drugs are alike in = their risks and dangers. Recreational use of research chemicals can = kill. :( =20 Unfortunately verifying cause of death is extremely difficult, even for = a=20 medical examiner. Since Joshua would have testable MDMA and ephedrine = in=20 his system (assuming there was MDMA in the ecstasy he took), showing = that a=20 novel chemical about which very little is known was the cause of death=20 would be very complicated. He may have died from aspirating his own = vomit=20 after blacking out and convulsing in the car, or he may have died from = a=20 direct pharmacological effect of 2C-T-7, one of its metabolites, or a=20 combination of the chemicals he took. It will likely be a long time = before=20 we get answers. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C109A9.05BA4120-- From sfraves-return-68438-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 09:21:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42016 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 09:21:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42006 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 09:21:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: X-X-Sender: To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Party hits the Wall here's an interesting opinion piece from the chronicle about raving and communism :) gary giuki@attglobal.net Party hits the Wall Steve Friess Sunday, July 8, 2001 - Page C1 As dawn broke July 1 on the 80th anniversary of Communism in China, Zhang Lu was showing party loyalty by puking on the Great Wall. This was several hours before China's president, Jiang Zemin, would get rolling on an enthralling two-hour speech to the nation from the Great Hall of the People, but Zhang already felt herself welling up. The lightening sky revealed the exquisite mountainous horizon where China's greatest architectural accomplishment stretches for mile after unseen mile. 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   = ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C109B4.F2C4EDC0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C109B4.F2C4EDC0-- From sfraves-return-68440-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 10:25:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93033 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 10:25:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92756 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 10:25:52 -0000 From: "Rising Sun Management" To: "Mtn-Raves" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:31:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [bsp] RISING SUN MANAGEMENT SUMMER ROSTER 2001 SUMMER ROSTER 2001! FOR ANY BOOKING INQUIRIES, OR FURTHER INFO ON ARTISTS: CONTACT westair@speakeasy.org or call jeff @ 206-322-9955 we are currently booking these tours: october- december 2001 instinct records, east music, and rising sun present : Sonic Groove...Defined cd release tour featuring FRANKIE BONES ADAM X HEATHER HEART plus guests tbd this tour will feature full promo support from instinct! act now to secure a date! ALSO : "Groove the MOVIE TOUR" FEATURING FORREST GREEN- SISTER, SF AS ORGANIZED CHAOS WITH CHRIS BURFINE BING CHING AKA DJ SNAZZ- ARTIST ROSTER ------------------------------------------------------------------ SLOBODAN- PLANET RHYTHM, COMPOUND, -TECHNO- SWEDEN STEWART WALKER- PERSONA, TRESOR, MINUS, FORCE INC - LIVE PA- TECHNO ADAM X- SONIC GROOVE - TECHNO - NYC CRAIG BELFORD- REDANKA, RIP RECORDS,- PROGRESSIVE- UK SCOTT RICHMOND- SATELLITE RECORDS, - HOUSE AND PROGRESSIVE- NYC MICHAEL KNIGHT, SATELLITE RECORDS, - TECHNO - NYC JOHNATHAN GRAY, SATELLITE RECORDS, - HOUSE AND PROGRESSIVE- NYC JUSTIN JOHNSON, SATELLITE RECORDS, - BREAKS AND HOUSE- KINGSIZE, NYC ROMAN- FUNKY TEKNO TRIBE,- TECHNO- SEATTLE TODD RICHMANN- STATE OF MIND RECORDS, - PROGRESSIVE- MADISON, WI FOREST GREEN- SISTER, ORGANIZED CHAOS, GROOVE THE MOVIE, -TECHNO- SF CHRIS BURFINE, ORGANIZED CHAOS, FNF, - TECHNO- SF JOE RICE- F & F, XLR8R, - HOUSE AND DOWNTEMPO- SF SERAPHIM- SISTER, - DRUM AND BASS- SF DJXS- SISTER, DRUM AND BASS- SF BING CHING- GROOVE THE MOVIE- PROGRESSIVE- LA DJ NAHA- SYSTEM 6 - HARDCORE, BREAKS- SEATTLE DJ TRACY- SILVER PEARL RECORDINGS, GROOVETECH, - HOUSE- SF DJ GROVER- ENTOPIC ENTERTAINMENT, PROGRESSIVE, -SEATTLE MIKE STEVENS- GROOVETECH, -HOUSE- SEATTLE PHIL CHAN- SOUTHERN OUTPOST- TECHNO - SYDNEY, AUS / SEATTLE BUBU- UNDERGROUND NATION- TECHNO- SEATTLE JESS AKA KUNDABUFFER- UNDERGROUND NATION- PROGRESSIVE- SEATTLE ZACHARIA- 360 BPM- DRUM AND BASS- SEATTLE BEAU MONDE- LIVE PA- TRANCE- SEATTLE ANIMATED FUSION- FIRE PERFORMANCE TROUPE- SEATTLE JERRY ABSTRACT- TECHNO- SEATTLE/DETROIT [INERTIA LABS] - IMMERSIVE ELECTRONIC ENVIORMENTS- SEATTLE/PDX DANDLION COLLECTIVE- VISUAL IMAGERY- SEATTLE DJ SWANK- UNDERGROUND NATION, UHF, NEW BARDO- HOUSE- SEATTLE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68441-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 14:41:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26246 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 14:41:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26197 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 14:41:25 -0000 From: JonnyR@aol.com Message-ID: <10f.25c26a9.287dbf6d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:40:45 EDT To: aK@groovefactorypro.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: scr@socal-raves.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10f.25c26a9.287dbf6d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- Is there a street name? --part1_10f.25c26a9.287dbf6d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, this stuff sounds really scary, and there' s no way in hell I would try it. Is there a street name for it? I want to know what to tell my friends to stay totally away from. Has it been seen around here? It's bad enough that there are people who sell bunk drugs that do nothing ... It's worse when they sell something like DXM that's legal but can hurt you badly ... But to sell something that is really, really dangerous ... string' em up by the balls! On top of that, having authorities attribute these problems to ecstasy -- even "adulterated ecstasy"-- makes our whole scene look really bad in a very undeserved way. Those among us who use e (and that's NOT all of us, to the Authorities who are listening in) usually have some sense about partying responsibly and know their limits. Some people who overdo it have lots of other problems. But something like 2-CT-7 sounds so dangerous that people could get over their heads without knowing it, with very tragic results. It's sad. Take care, everyone. --part1_10f.25c26a9.287dbf6d_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68442-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 15:01:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41691 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 15:01:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41681 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 15:01:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Wed) And while you're at it, make sure you stop at your local planetarium. I do do that. http://www.amnh.org/rose/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68443-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 15:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54685 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 15:12:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54675 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 15:12:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711151244.40951.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Yasmin Fang To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1158503600-994864364=:40920" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Fwd: Re: [sfraves] NRR what should i do? --0-1158503600-994864364=:40920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline isnt this so sweet look dude everyone else posts about their life so i can do the same and my life is great thank you very much i just wanted to get some advice from people with an open mind yasmin Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1158503600-994864364=:40920 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: chinadol_one@yahoo.com via web10108; 09 Jul 2001 19:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web14302.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.173.78) by mta501.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jul 2001 19:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20010710024548.57085.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.81.17.161] by web14302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:45:48 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Daher boy Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR what should i do? To: Yasmin Fang In-Reply-To: <20010709211726.12385.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 241 stop posting about your pathetic life. you're so fucking annoying and nobody gives a shit. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1158503600-994864364=:40920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-1158503600-994864364=:40920-- From sfraves-return-68444-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 15:43:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86140 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 15:43:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86130 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 15:43:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.21] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:43:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 15:43:16.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[33BC1540:01C10A20] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp*DDR@STEREOPHONIK*TONITE Come along and listen to the joyfull sounds of DDR as he rearranges your auditory organs with a HARD AACCIIDD PA thats sue to knock the jam out your toes. Its The STEREOPHONIK birthday bash! One freakin' year now bringing you the finest underground music. And never more than seven dollars! So come and be seen tonight. And don't forget our other players in this event. Amber KEITH EDWARDS VS DAMON Blair This is 18 and up at the CACTUS CLUB 417 S 1st St San Jose, Ca, ONE YEAR STRONG! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68445-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 15:43:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86487 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 15:43:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86461 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 15:43:47 -0000 Reply-To: From: "matt newell" To: , , Cc: , Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:44:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <10f.25c26a9.287dbf6d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- Is there a street name? 2ct7 is alive and well in the bay area. trust me :) to my knowledge, there is not street name yet ... that aside, the main fact that people are not taking to heart is that these deaths have been linked to the snorting of the drug (most of the time in OD amounts), not just by consuming the drug did they OD. see the differnce there? anything that goes up your nose and is as corrosive as (insert drug here) will have adverse affects, just like the nausea each of us gets when we ingest other substances (e/g/etc). 2ct7 is a /serious/ hallucinagen - nothing more, nothing less. take it seriously and respect its possible outcomes and you'll be the wiser for it. personal note :: i had a friend just last week snort some and had a really bad trip. he snorted what he thought was a line of e, but was instead 2ct7. snorting of this stuff is bad, mmmmkay? i will stop short of allowing people to say "bunk drugs" are what is causing this. 2ct7 is an EXPERIMENTAL CHEMICAL. if you don't treat substances with respect, you will die or end up with some consequences you didn't want. just like taking 12 e's, ecstasy can become dangerous in the wrong usage/dosage -- 2ct7 used in proper dosages will not produce an overdose. make sense? know your drugs. know your dealer. know yourself. m. :: -----Original Message----- :: From: JonnyR@aol.com [mailto:JonnyR@aol.com] :: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:41 AM :: To: aK@groovefactorypro.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org :: Cc: scr@socal-raves.org :: Subject: Re: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- Is there a street name? :: :: :: Hi, this stuff sounds really scary, and there' s no way in hell I would try :: it. Is there a street name for it? I want to know what to tell my :: friends to :: stay totally away from. Has it been seen around here? :: It's bad enough that there are people who sell bunk drugs that do :: nothing ... :: It's worse when they sell something like DXM that's legal but can hurt you :: badly ... But to sell something that is really, really dangerous ... :: string' :: em up by the balls! :: :: On top of that, having authorities attribute these problems to ecstasy -- :: even "adulterated ecstasy"-- makes our whole scene look really bad in a very :: undeserved way. Those among us who use e (and that's NOT all of :: us, to the :: Authorities who are listening in) usually have some sense about partying :: responsibly and know their limits. Some people who overdo it have lots of :: other problems. But something like 2-CT-7 sounds so dangerous that people :: could get over their heads without knowing it, with very tragic results. :: It's sad. :: Take care, everyone. :: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68446-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 17:01:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61808 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 17:01:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61798 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 17:01:10 -0000 From: Megatron45@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:00:40 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, dnb@lists.breakbeat.co.uk, sfdnb@yahoogroups.com, sf-jungle@saturn5.com, breaks@ffwd.cx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e3.1758bfac.287de038_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: Mechasoul FM...the Season Finale-KALX Berkeley 90.7fm --part1_e3.1758bfac.287de038_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check it... .oOMechasoul-FMOo. Hosted By Tha Megatron aka Souprock 90.7FM KALX Berkeley Times:9am to Noon(est.12noon to 3pm, UK.5pm to 8pm) requestline-(510)642-5259 NetConnection: http://kalx.berkeley.edu/kalx.ram tha info... well folks this is going to be my last show at this 9am to noon time slot. its been fun doing this slot for the past 2 years straight but theres time for a change. my slot has expired so im going to be searching for a new timeslot soon but for now old man mega will be taking a long overdue vacation. i hope this doesnt upset many people out there because i have met alot of peeps over the years who have enjoyed the show while they been puttin in long hours for their jobs. but do not fear i will be back on the air within the next month or 2. tomarrow;s show will be strictly drum & Bass in tribute to the junglist and for those who remember back in the day when i used to do 3 hour dnb sessions on the late nite 3am tip. so yeah im gonna throw down some nice future breakbeats fo dat ass. dont worry...im not retiring...I'll be Back!!! thaMEGATRON --part1_e3.1758bfac.287de038_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68447-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 17:14:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83707 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 17:14:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83696 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 17:14:42 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010711151244.40951.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010711151244.40951.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:10:49 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [sfraves] NRR what should i do? maybe it's just me, but it seems like you just branded yourself as someone who will stoop down to the level of taking a private conversation and making it a list conversation. that is childish. maybe you ought to consider listening to that person, albeit childish as well. let's keep our private conversations private, shall we? i don't think that has anything to do with age, just common sense. >isnt this so sweet >look dude everyone else posts about their life so i >can do the same and my life is great thank you very >much i just wanted to get some advice from people with >an open mind >yasmin >Note: forwarded message attached. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >X-Apparently-To: chinadol_one@yahoo.com via web10108; 09 Jul 2001 >19:45:48 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from web14302.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.173.78) > by mta501.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jul 2001 19:45:48 -0700 (PDT) >Message-ID: <20010710024548.57085.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com> >Received: from [198.81.17.161] by web14302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; >Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:45:48 PDT >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:45:48 -0700 (PDT) >From: Daher boy >Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR what should i do? >To: Yasmin Fang >In-Reply-To: <20010709211726.12385.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Length: 241 > >stop posting about your pathetic life. you're so >fucking annoying and nobody gives a shit. > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68448-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 17:24:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94327 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 17:24:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94310 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 17:24:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:23:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Stephanie Smiley" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Are you a DJ at Cyberfest? Hi.=20 My name is Stephanie Smiley and I am the publicist (I deal with magazines, newspapers, radio and tv) for Coolworld and the upcoming Cyberfest 2001 at 3Com...=20 I am looking for biographies and hi-res jpeg photos for ALL of the talent booked at Cyberfest to add to the media kit... which will (hopefully) include information on every artist performing. This media kit will provid= e basic artist information to each press/media person prior to the event. Please email bios and photos to pushpress@earthlink.net at your earliest convenience. If you're a DJ booked for Cyberfest or friend's of someone wh= o is... your help would be much appreciated... I need this information, to be able, to properly promote the local talent on the bill. If you don't have a biography... please just send me basic information about yourself. name: location: contact info: age: describe your sound: describe your style: discography: other relevant information: Thanks, Stephanie=20 PUSH pushpress@earthlink.net FYI, Here's the lineup: EMINEM D12=20 The Crystal Method DJ Dan=20 Christopher Lawrence Kevens=20 Galaxy Girl=20 Uberzone=20 Planet B=20 Nizam=20 Bad Company=20 Wish FM Shy FX=20 MC Skibadee=20 Dieselboy AK-1200 Kaos & Method One=20 Sage & UFO Dufunk Johnny Law=20 Havoc w/ the Intalekt MC=B9s DJ Eternal=20 MC=B9S: Duh & Ragga Ban Ton Charles Feelgood=20 Jesse Saunders Donald Glaude=20 DJ Bizz=20 Kevin Kind=20 Reza=20 Joey Mazzola=20 David Garcia DJ Huey DJ Torque Moda=20 Nick Twisted=20 DJ Rossi=20 Kendra French Skribble Keoki=20 Scott Hardkiss=20 St. John Thomas Trouble Gianni Dyloot Tom Slik=20 Greg Sandler Denise aka DJ-D DJ Dollar AMFM Alexander=20 Liquid=20 Bukweechio & Bicolas Jesse Gonzalez=20 Jaxx the Ripper Simon Apex Ron Reeser DJ Shark vs Attack DJ Rick V=20 Alias=20 Madame Mercury=20 Prophet Kid Carson=20 Disko Shawn=20 Enemy=20 Pistachio & Anonymous Rusty Raygun=20 David Savior Joey Trance Alejandro Alain Octavo Dave Coleman & Sensei Arcus Collective=20 Kenny Figueroa=20 BB Hayes=20 Norm Stradley Charles B=20 Durben Ben Doren=20 Paul Hemming=20 DJ Seven =20 Pete Avila=20 Cerrelean N8 DJ Randy=20 DJ Onyx=20 Ben Davis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68449-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 17:36:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4295 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 17:36:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4282 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 17:36:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Haskovec To: Stephanie Smiley cc: , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Are you a DJ at Cyberfest? Um, shouldn't you be sending this directly to the people that Coolworld has booked, instead of spamming numerous lists? You folks *do* have contact information for the people you've hired right? dan On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Stephanie Smiley wrote: > Hi. > > My name is Stephanie Smiley and I am the publicist (I deal with magazines, > newspapers, radio and tv) for Coolworld and the upcoming Cyberfest 2001 at > 3Com... > > I am looking for biographies and hi-res jpeg photos for ALL of the talent > booked at Cyberfest to add to the media kit... which will (hopefully) > include information on every artist performing. This media kit will provide > basic artist information to each press/media person prior to the event. > > Please email bios and photos to pushpress@earthlink.net at your earliest > convenience. If you're a DJ booked for Cyberfest or friend's of someone who > is... your help would be much appreciated... I need this information, to be > able, to properly promote the local talent on the bill. > > If you don't have a biography... > please just send me basic information about yourself. > name: > location: > contact info: > age: > describe your sound: > describe your style: > discography: > other relevant information: > > Thanks, > Stephanie > PUSH > pushpress@earthlink.net > > FYI, > Here's the lineup: > EMINEM > D12 > The Crystal Method > DJ Dan > Christopher Lawrence > Kevens > Galaxy Girl > Uberzone > Planet B > Nizam > Bad Company > Wish FM > Shy FX > MC Skibadee > Dieselboy > AK-1200 > Kaos & Method One > Sage & UFO > Dufunk > Johnny Law > Havoc w/ the Intalekt MC¹s > DJ Eternal > MC¹S: Duh & Ragga Ban Ton > Charles Feelgood > Jesse Saunders > Donald Glaude > DJ Bizz > Kevin Kind > Reza > Joey Mazzola > David Garcia > DJ Huey > DJ Torque > Moda > Nick Twisted > DJ Rossi > Kendra French > Skribble > Keoki > Scott Hardkiss > St. John > Thomas Trouble > Gianni > Dyloot > Tom Slik > Greg Sandler > Denise aka DJ-D > DJ Dollar > AMFM Alexander > Liquid > Bukweechio & Bicolas > Jesse Gonzalez > Jaxx the Ripper > Simon Apex > Ron Reeser > DJ Shark vs Attack DJ > Rick V > Alias > Madame Mercury > Prophet > Kid Carson > Disko Shawn > Enemy > Pistachio & Anonymous > Rusty > Raygun > David Savior > Joey Trance > Alejandro > Alain Octavo > Dave Coleman & Sensei > Arcus Collective > Kenny Figueroa > BB Hayes > Norm Stradley > Charles B > Durben > Ben Doren > Paul Hemming > DJ Seven > Pete Avila > Cerrelean > N8 > DJ Randy > DJ Onyx > Ben Davis > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68450-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 17:58:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26224 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 17:58:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26212 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 17:58:05 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:57:58 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: SFRavEs Mailing List Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010711175758.RJTN18257.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR what should i do? in the policy sense, i agree, deep. private conversations are private, and posting them to a public list is inappropriate. however, something that is abusive without provocation is a bit more like a personal crime. it wasn't a conversation at all, it was a hit and run. rather a violent one at that. i personally found it quite illuminating to read such a low-class response written to someone who had posted a rather simple and sincere thing to the list. not that i had started to develop any warm fuzzy feelings about daher boy from his public posts. hardly. but to see that kind of stuff in a private post... well, enough said. sadly, the lesson is that this list is not a place where you can assume people are mature, kind, or even conscious of other people outside of themselves. sad. leslie > >maybe it's just me, but it seems like you just branded yourself as >someone who will stoop down to the level of taking a private >conversation and making it a list conversation. that is childish. >maybe you ought to consider listening to that person, albeit childish >as well. > >let's keep our private conversations private, shall we? i don't >think that has anything to do with age, just common sense. > >>isnt this so sweet >>look dude everyone else posts about their life so i >>can do the same and my life is great thank you very >>much i just wanted to get some advice from people with >>an open mind >>yasmin >>Note: forwarded message attached. >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >>http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >>X-Apparently-To: chinadol_one@yahoo.com via web10108; 09 Jul 2001 >>19:45:48 -0700 (PDT) >>Received: from web14302.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.173.78) >> by mta501.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Jul 2001 19:45:48 -0700 (PDT) >>Message-ID: <20010710024548.57085.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com> >>Received: from [198.81.17.161] by web14302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; >>Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:45:48 PDT >>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:45:48 -0700 (PDT) >>From: Daher boy >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR what should i do? >>To: Yasmin Fang >>In-Reply-To: <20010709211726.12385.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Length: 241 >> >>stop posting about your pathetic life. you're so >>fucking annoying and nobody gives a shit. >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >>http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68451-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 18:10:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54211 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 18:10:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54197 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 18:10:38 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:10:30 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010711181030.RYDE18257.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths people, please remember this is your LIFE you are dealing with. it's important to be informed... so do your own research and do it well. please don't take advice from someone on an email list about something that -- if they're wrong -- could kill you. one of the most dangerous "drugs" is the feeling on invincibility. i don't know about this substance, but i would hazard a guess that ANY substance that has appears on the scene with immediate reports of scary overdoses is high risk. and unless you are on a spiritual quest that you have developed over years, and substances are your tools in that quest, why would you even want to take that risk? if you are a recreational user -- that is, if you choose to use substances of any kind including alcohol, for fun and an escape -- stick to things that have years of experience. don't be a dead guniea pig. be moderate, be safe. i say: know what's important. leslie >2ct7 used in proper dosages will not produce an overdose. make sense? > >know your drugs. know your dealer. know yourself. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68452-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 18:13:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64407 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 18:13:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64393 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 18:13:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711181354.11898.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Yasmin Fang To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: shepherd_boy99@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ABOUT MY POSTS i was just looking for open minded guidence didnt mean to offend or get anything started. what some people have to say on this list i take into consideraton but what this person told me was rather childish he could have came at me from another angle. keep the peace and vibe alive yasmin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68453-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 18:15:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68830 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 18:15:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68812 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 18:15:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711181513.59524.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] my opinion about the mocking nrr people who mock don't know how to do anything, and they are boring to talk about and to consider and to do anything with, and when they are adults, i am completely grossed out. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68454-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 18:19:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76452 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 18:19:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76439 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 18:19:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:18:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200107111818.OAA26144@www21.ureach.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "\*~Keith~*/" Reply-to: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vsuite-type: e X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths 2C-T-7 (2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine)...also known as T7, Blue Mystic, and around here a while back some idiots were selling it as 'beautiful'... this is a drug that we'll be VERY lucky if it never hits the streets... it's simply too much for the average consumer. Sort of like giving a hunter a fully automatic weapon w/ armor- piercing bullets and asking them to be responsible and only shoot what they need. ;) Highly experimental, nausea is fairly common, and is potentially fatal when insufflated at doses as low as 10mg (and possibly lower). I know I've read of at least 3 deaths that all began w/ 2c-t-7 being ingested through a good ol' nostril (and one that was oral w/ it combined w/ MDMA). If you see somebody selling this to the avg drug user, I implore you to dump a speaker cabinet on them. :) They're just asking to either have a 'customer' die or end up in a padded room of the nearest mental ward. If you happen upon somebody who has ingested it (especially nasally) and they start to become agitated or violent, RUSH THEM TO THE NEAREST HOSPITAL. Don't even play around with the idea that they can sleep it off. And do what you can to inform medical staff of what they took and that siezures/cardio-pulminary problems are more or less eminent. Wheeeeeee! xx xx \\ - - // ( 0 0 ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~oOOo-(_)-oOOo~~~~~~~ Keith Elliott iNfiNiTe pRODucTioNz STRENGTH, LOVE, AND FAITH ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Oooo~~~~~~~~ oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) ---- On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, leslie ayres (leslie.ayres@sflnc.com) wrote: > people, please remember this is your LIFE you are dealing with. > > it's important to be informed... so do your own research and do it well. > please don't take advice from someone on an email list about something > that > -- if they're wrong -- could kill you. > > one of the most dangerous "drugs" is the feeling on invincibility. i > don't > know about this substance, but i would hazard a guess that ANY substance > that has appears on the scene with immediate reports of scary overdoses > is > high risk. and unless you are on a spiritual quest that you have > developed > over years, and substances are your tools in that quest, why would you > even > want to take that risk? > > if you are a recreational user -- that is, if you choose to use > substances > of any kind including alcohol, for fun and an escape -- stick to things > that > have years of experience. don't be a dead guniea pig. be moderate, be > safe. > > i say: know what's important. > > leslie > > > > >2ct7 used in proper dosages will not produce an overdose. make sense? > > > >know your drugs. know your dealer. know yourself. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68455-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 18:21:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79299 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 18:21:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79286 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 18:21:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711182118.57799.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:21:18 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Phaedrus - AKA Eeyore To: chinadol_one@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR what should i do? > hehe sweet revenge First of all, let me assure you that I am NOT insinuating that you're a bad person - EVERYONE gets the revenge bug. As many a great philosopher said, "It is intent that separates us from the animals..." Sure, we all DESIRE revenge, but do we actually intend to go out and DO it? All I can say is that revenge would be very UN-plur. You can lead by example, be the mature one, and start a friendship anew with this guy. Besides, if you believe in Karma and all that, such a move would definitely be good karma. ...Just one thing though - if he gives you any crap, drop him like a pill you don't wanna get caught with. Love and respect to yourself first, girlfriend! Peace! - Graham -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:17:26 -0700 (PDT) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Yasmin Fang Subject: NRR what should i do? Message-ID: <20010709211726.12385.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> ok i have a tiny lil prob here i am so in love with my boyfriend. and i would never do anything to hurt him. today i recieved an email from previous dude that i havent talked to forever. and he dissed me hardcore and i adored his ass to the fullest. and now he is all good with me and told me to be good and that he would give me a call sometime this week. whats the deal with that all this time and no calls now i have a man who is the greatest and now he wants me. he doesnt know i have a boyfriend. so he is going to call me. what do i do? i mean i still like this dude but i dont ever want him to hurt me again. then i am thinking what if i play it for a little bit hey payback is a bi_atch. i dont know give me some feedback i have no intentions of doing anyting else with this guy i love my boyfriend so much that there is no need for that. hehe sweet revenge yasmin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68456-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 18:35:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4837 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 18:35:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4808 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 18:35:05 -0000 X-Authentication-Warning: gabber.ez-e.net: Host zengine-gw2.customer.alter.net [157.130.208.226] (may be forged) claimed to be drghetto.com Message-ID: <3B4C9D43.9050003@drghetto.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:38:59 -0700 From: John Vicondoa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010628 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geri Dahl CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010711181513.59524.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] my opinion about the mocking nrr Looks like mocking to me. -jv Geri Dahl wrote: >people who mock don't know how to do anything, and >they are boring to talk about and to consider and to >do anything with, and when they are adults, i am >completely grossed out. :) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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What do ya'll think? peace angela --- Stephanie Smiley wrote: > > > > Coolworld is proud to present the eighth annual > > CYBERFEST 2001 > Saturday, August 11, 2001 > 3Com Park Grounds at Jamestown and Harney Way > San Francisco, CA USA > All Ages/Gates Open at 2pm > > Infinite Universe: No musical limits/ Open air stage & > live actsŠ > Live in concert, EMINEM¹s New Super-group D12 exclusive > West Coast > performance(Detroit) > America¹s # 1 Electronic act (Los Angeles)ŠThe Crystal > Method > Kinetic Records (San Francisco)...DJ Dan > Christopher Lawrence ...Hook Recordings / Moonshine Music > (Los Angeles) > Kevens ...live drum and bass (Miami) > Florida's #1 live trance act (Miami)... Galaxy Girl > Uberzone ...Exclusive live performance (Los Angeles) > America's New Electronic Rock Superstars (San > Francisco)... Planet B > Nizam ...live electronica hip hop (San Francisco) > > Bass Dimension: Jungle/DnB/ Hip-Hop/ Turntablism > Bad Company ...BC Recordings (UK) > La Belle Epoque Musique... Wish FM ...www.wishfm.com > Ebony Recordings/Formation Records (UK)...Shy FX > MC Skibadee ...2X Freestyle/Platinum Performers (UK) > Palm Pictures (Philadelphia)... Dieselboy > AK-1200 ...Planet of the Drums (Orlando) > Atlantiq (San Francisco)... Kaos & Method One > Sage & UFO ...Phunckateck (San Francisco) > Dufunk ...Coolworld, Darc Bros (San Francisco) > Hiatus Recordings (Salt Lake City)... Johnny Law > Havoc w/ the Intalekt MC¹s ...Compression (San Francisco) > Divinyl Love (Sacramento)... DJ Eternal > MC¹S: Duh (San Francisco) & Ragga Ban Ton (Sacramento) > > Gateway: House, progressive, anthems > Hosted by Feelgood Entertainment > Charles Feelgood ...Fever/Buzz (Baltimore) > Just Say Records (Los Angeles)... Jesse Saunders > Donald Glaude ...Funky Tekno Tribe (Seattle) > DJ Bizz ...Coolworld (Houston/San Francisco) > Coolworld/Journess (San Francisco)... Kevin Kind > Go Ventures (Los Angeles)... Reza > Joey Mazzola ...Solmatic Records/AM Crew/Radioactive DJs > (San Francisco) > Solmatic Records/Radioactive DJs (San Francisco)... David > Garcia > DJ Huey ...Coolworld/Nightlife/Construction (San > Francisco) > Nightlife/Construction (Denver)... DJ Torque > Moda > Nick Twisted ...Dynamo/Black Flys (Seattle) > DJ Rossi > Kendra French > > > Sanctuary: Trance/ Techno > MTV's Skribble (New York City) > Superstar DJ... Keoki (New York City) > Scott Hardkiss ...United DJ's of America (New York City) > St. John ...House Nation (San Francisco) > Blutonium Records (San Francisco)... Thomas Trouble > Gianni ...Spundae/Nikita (Santa Rosa) > Skills (San Francisco)... Dyloot > Tom Slik ...Skills (San Francisco) > Harmony (Santa Rosa)... Greg Sandler > Denise aka DJ-D ...www.djdenise.com (San Francisco) > Nightlife (Fresno)... DJ Dollar > AMFM Alexander ...Tfo Recordings (Los Angeles) > > Cali Zone: > Liquid ...Journees/Remix (San Francisco) > Skills Junglists (San Francisco)... Bukweechio & Bicolas > Jesse Gonzalez ...The Krate (Salinas) > Ultra Sounz/DJajax.com (San Francisco)... Jaxx the Ripper > Simon Apex ...Subsonic Underground > aka DJ RkTech/ClockWork Eventz/In the Mix (San > Francisco)... Ron Reeser > DJ Shark vs Attack DJ > Rick V ...In tha Mix Recordings/ClockWork eventz > (Sacramento) > Tranquility... Alias > Madame Mercury ...Mad Wax/Liquid > Mercury/Streetbeat/Journees > Silver Pearl Recordings... Prophet > Kid Carson ...WISH > Subsonic... Disko Shawn > Enemy ...Gasoline/Skills > Nightlife (San Francisco)... Pistachio & Anonymous > Rusty ...L8 Night Productions (Fresno) > Construction (San Francisco)... Raygun > David Savior ...www.davidsavior.com (San Francisco) > Coolworld (San Francisco)... Joey Trance > Alejandro ...Construction (San Francisco) > Feelgood Family... Alain Octavo > > VIP AREA: Sponsored by Peach Nightclub > Dave Coleman & Sensei > Arcus Collective > Kenny Figueroa > BB Hayes > Norm Stradley > Charles B > Durben > Ben Doren > Paul Hemming > DJ Seven > Pete Avila > Cerrelean > N8 > DJ Randy > DJ Onyx > Ben Davis > > ATTRACTIONS: > 7 Entertainment Arenas > 5 Themed Dance Arenas > Outdoor Live Stage w/ Live Acts & MC¹s > Acres & Acres of freedom to unite, dance and celebrate > life > An outdoor laser light show > Raging Fun Fair > Extreme Sports Exhibition > Giant Visuals & Interactive Video > Performance Artists, fire-dancers > International Hot & Cold food vendors > Vendor village > Free-Giveaways > VIP Tent > Psychedelic Cyber-circus > Global Conscious Booths & Non-Profits > Alcohol Gardents for the 21+ > And many more surprisesŠ > > BUY TICKETS NOW! > at all Ticketmaster Locations or www.ticketmaster.com > www.coolworld.com & info lines: 415.979.4543, > 408.235.1077 > > SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL DJ! > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68458-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 18:43:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28054 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 18:43:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28043 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 18:43:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:41:52 -0700 From: IntenSmile In-reply-to: <20010711183636.71244.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> To: angela , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] CoolWorld's Response to me about Eminem Well, I wrote to Coolworld telling them how disappointed I was that they were going to have them play and I received a very interesting response. I think you should all read it. Brian IntenSmile ******************************** Greetings Brian, We appreciate you taking the time to write to us and we value and respect your opinion. We too were on the fence about EM and D12 playing...Coolworld is all about positivity and the growth of our scene. Keep in mind, we pioneered dance festivals in America. After long thought we decided against having the group...then Em called our office and spoke to us direct about the scene and why D12 would want to play. Em is a character and the true person behind is an old school raver who grew up in the detroit underground performing at raves and parties. He mentioned that he wanted the group to be a different face and that he wanted to support the scene and he has been taken in the wrong lite. We felt, that this would open new doors for our scene to be viewed as not just a negative drug festival, but to be given a brighter lite because of the mixture of music. Everyone deserves a chance, and I remember many that hated the rave scene and trance/techno, but after experiencing the beauty of the music and scene it changed there life...hopefully this will have some impact on the group and on Em... We want you to be part of the event as 98% of the event is about dance culture and we hope to still have your support. If you have any suggestions please let us know and we hope you join us at an amazing event...also, remember 2 years ago, that Crystal Meth played with Limp Bizkit and DMX...they also wanted to play with Em and requested it... Much respect... Coolworld -----Original Message----- From: angela [mailto:ampedgirly@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:37 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) CYBERFEST 2001 ok i'm taking bets...who actaully thinks that eminem will perform at this event? sounds kinda fishy the way they worded it too me.."eminem's new super group d-12". whatcha wanna bet that the other members of d-12 will be there but no eminem? well...it's just MY opinion. What do ya'll think? peace angela --- Stephanie Smiley wrote: > > > > Coolworld is proud to present the eighth annual > > CYBERFEST 2001 > Saturday, August 11, 2001 > 3Com Park Grounds at Jamestown and Harney Way > San Francisco, CA USA > All Ages/Gates Open at 2pm > > Infinite Universe: No musical limits/ Open air stage & > live acts > Live in concert, EMINEM9s New Super-group D12 exclusive > West Coast > performance(Detroit) > America9s # 1 Electronic act (Los Angeles) The Crystal > Method > Kinetic Records (San Francisco)...DJ Dan > Christopher Lawrence ...Hook Recordings / Moonshine Music > (Los Angeles) > Kevens ...live drum and bass (Miami) > Florida's #1 live trance act (Miami)... Galaxy Girl > Uberzone ...Exclusive live performance (Los Angeles) > America's New Electronic Rock Superstars (San > Francisco)... Planet B > Nizam ...live electronica hip hop (San Francisco) > > Bass Dimension: Jungle/DnB/ Hip-Hop/ Turntablism > Bad Company ...BC Recordings (UK) > La Belle Epoque Musique... Wish FM ...www.wishfm.com > Ebony Recordings/Formation Records (UK)...Shy FX > MC Skibadee ...2X Freestyle/Platinum Performers (UK) > Palm Pictures (Philadelphia)... Dieselboy > AK-1200 ...Planet of the Drums (Orlando) > Atlantiq (San Francisco)... Kaos & Method One > Sage & UFO ...Phunckateck (San Francisco) > Dufunk ...Coolworld, Darc Bros (San Francisco) > Hiatus Recordings (Salt Lake City)... Johnny Law > Havoc w/ the Intalekt MC9s ...Compression (San Francisco) > Divinyl Love (Sacramento)... DJ Eternal > MC9S: Duh (San Francisco) & Ragga Ban Ton (Sacramento) > > Gateway: House, progressive, anthems > Hosted by Feelgood Entertainment > Charles Feelgood ...Fever/Buzz (Baltimore) > Just Say Records (Los Angeles)... Jesse Saunders > Donald Glaude ...Funky Tekno Tribe (Seattle) > DJ Bizz ...Coolworld (Houston/San Francisco) > Coolworld/Journess (San Francisco)... Kevin Kind > Go Ventures (Los Angeles)... Reza > Joey Mazzola ...Solmatic Records/AM Crew/Radioactive DJs > (San Francisco) > Solmatic Records/Radioactive DJs (San Francisco)... David > Garcia > DJ Huey ...Coolworld/Nightlife/Construction (San > Francisco) > Nightlife/Construction (Denver)... DJ Torque > Moda > Nick Twisted ...Dynamo/Black Flys (Seattle) > DJ Rossi > Kendra French > > > Sanctuary: Trance/ Techno > MTV's Skribble (New York City) > Superstar DJ... Keoki (New York City) > Scott Hardkiss ...United DJ's of America (New York City) > St. John ...House Nation (San Francisco) > Blutonium Records (San Francisco)... Thomas Trouble > Gianni ...Spundae/Nikita (Santa Rosa) > Skills (San Francisco)... Dyloot > Tom Slik ...Skills (San Francisco) > Harmony (Santa Rosa)... Greg Sandler > Denise aka DJ-D ...www.djdenise.com (San Francisco) > Nightlife (Fresno)... DJ Dollar > AMFM Alexander ...Tfo Recordings (Los Angeles) > > Cali Zone: > Liquid ...Journees/Remix (San Francisco) > Skills Junglists (San Francisco)... Bukweechio & Bicolas > Jesse Gonzalez ...The Krate (Salinas) > Ultra Sounz/DJajax.com (San Francisco)... Jaxx the Ripper > Simon Apex ...Subsonic Underground > aka DJ RkTech/ClockWork Eventz/In the Mix (San > Francisco)... Ron Reeser > DJ Shark vs Attack DJ > Rick V ...In tha Mix Recordings/ClockWork eventz > (Sacramento) > Tranquility... Alias > Madame Mercury ...Mad Wax/Liquid > Mercury/Streetbeat/Journees > Silver Pearl Recordings... Prophet > Kid Carson ...WISH > Subsonic... Disko Shawn > Enemy ...Gasoline/Skills > Nightlife (San Francisco)... Pistachio & Anonymous > Rusty ...L8 Night Productions (Fresno) > Construction (San Francisco)... Raygun > David Savior ...www.davidsavior.com (San Francisco) > Coolworld (San Francisco)... Joey Trance > Alejandro ...Construction (San Francisco) > Feelgood Family... Alain Octavo > > VIP AREA: Sponsored by Peach Nightclub > Dave Coleman & Sensei > Arcus Collective > Kenny Figueroa > BB Hayes > Norm Stradley > Charles B > Durben > Ben Doren > Paul Hemming > DJ Seven > Pete Avila > Cerrelean > N8 > DJ Randy > DJ Onyx > Ben Davis > > ATTRACTIONS: > 7 Entertainment Arenas > 5 Themed Dance Arenas > Outdoor Live Stage w/ Live Acts & MC9s > Acres & Acres of freedom to unite, dance and celebrate > life > An outdoor laser light show > Raging Fun Fair > Extreme Sports Exhibition > Giant Visuals & Interactive Video > Performance Artists, fire-dancers > International Hot & Cold food vendors > Vendor village > Free-Giveaways > VIP Tent > Psychedelic Cyber-circus > Global Conscious Booths & Non-Profits > Alcohol Gardents for the 21+ > And many more surprises > > BUY TICKETS NOW! > at all Ticketmaster Locations or www.ticketmaster.com > www.coolworld.com & info lines: 415.979.4543, > 408.235.1077 > > SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL DJ! > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68459-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 19:05:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58558 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 19:05:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58540 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 19:05:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711190512.34230.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: IT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <200107111818.OAA26144@www21.ureach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 2c-t-7 2c-t-7 can be very dangerous. it has been around for years, hundreds and hundreds of people have used it in small doses and controlled environments repeatedly with no problems, and yet there are a handful of incidents that warrant serious caution. The most disturbing is that some people seem to do fine on it a few times, then suddenly freak out, lose all memory of what happened to them, wake up in a dark alleyway with scratches on their bodies etc... It sounds kinda familiar to the old stories about PCP freakouts. It seems clear that this drug should not be insufflated. Unfortunately, that seems to be a very popular route of administration. There is a group of grey market "research chemicals" out there, that have been around and used within the psychedelic and psychotherapeutic underground for a number of years, with no apparent problems, and great positive results. Some of these chemicals could be safer than ecstasy, some of them less. Grossly irresponsible use (ie- intra nasally, without a sitter, at a public event) of 2c-t-7 puts a spotlight on grey market chemicals as a whole, and could incur more across the board drug interdictions. One supplier of research chemicals has decided to act responsibly and discontinue producing 2c-t-7, thereby hopefully averting such an outcome. It would be great, however, if, as a community, we chose to avoid certain chemicals at raves, and stick to sobriety, or the true and tested (and I mean purity tested) ones that have a better track/safety record (pure mdma, lsd, or pot). I mean, would anyone think of doing PCP at a dance event? No. Also, as far as I can tell from posts, there is nothing in the 2c-t-7 trip that outshines a good candyflip... so why take the risk? --- *~Keith~*/ wrote: > 2C-T-7 > (2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine)...also > known as T7, Blue Mystic, and around here a while > back some > idiots were > selling it as 'beautiful'... this is a drug that > we'll be VERY > lucky if > it > never hits the streets... it's simply too much for > the average > consumer. > Sort of like giving a hunter a fully automatic > weapon w/ armor- > piercing > bullets and asking them to be responsible and only > shoot what > they need. > ;) > Highly experimental, nausea is fairly common, and is > > potentially fatal > when > insufflated at doses as low as 10mg (and possibly > lower). I > know I've > read > of at least 3 deaths that all began w/ 2c-t-7 being > ingested > through a > good > ol' nostril (and one that was oral w/ it combined w/ > MDMA). > > If you see somebody selling this to the avg drug > user, I > implore you to > dump > a speaker cabinet on them. :) They're just asking > to either > have a > 'customer' die or end up in a padded room of the > nearest mental > ward. > If > you happen upon somebody who has ingested it > (especially > nasally) and > they > start to become agitated or violent, RUSH THEM TO > THE NEAREST > HOSPITAL. > Don't even play around with the idea that they can > sleep it > off. And do > what you can to inform medical staff of what they > took and that > siezures/cardio-pulminary problems are more or less > eminent. > Wheeeeeee! > > > xx xx > - - // > ( 0 0 ) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~oOOo-(_)-oOOo~~~~~~~ > Keith Elliott > iNfiNiTe pRODucTioNz > STRENGTH, LOVE, AND FAITH > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Oooo~~~~~~~~ > oooO ( ) > ( ) ) / > ( (_/ > _) > > > > > > ---- On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, leslie ayres > (leslie.ayres@sflnc.com) > wrote: > > > people, please remember this is your LIFE you are > dealing > with. > > > > it's important to be informed... so do your own > research and > do it well. > > please don't take advice from someone on an email > list about > something > > that > > -- if they're wrong -- could kill you. > > > > one of the most dangerous "drugs" is the feeling > on > invincibility. i > > don't > > know about this substance, but i would hazard a > guess that > ANY substance > > that has appears on the scene with immediate > reports of scary > overdoses > > is > > high risk. and unless you are on a spiritual quest > that you > have > > developed > > over years, and substances are your tools in that > quest, why > would you > > even > > want to take that risk? > > > > if you are a recreational user -- that is, if you > choose to > use > > substances > > of any kind including alcohol, for fun and an > escape -- stick > to things > > that > > have years of experience. don't be a dead guniea > pig. be > moderate, be > > safe. > > > > i say: know what's important. > > > > leslie > > > > > > > > >2ct7 used in proper dosages will not produce an > overdose. > make sense? > > > > > >know your drugs. know your dealer. know yourself. > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68460-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 19:14:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70897 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 19:14:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70887 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 19:14:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:14:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200107111914.PAA15935@www21.ureach.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "\*~Keith~*/" Reply-to: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vsuite-type: e X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] 2c-t-7 One of the main problems is that often it's being passed of a MDMA and the individuals who do use get themself in over their head and OD. xx xx \\ - - // ( 0 0 ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~oOOo-(_)-oOOo~~~~~~~ Keith Elliott iNfiNiTe pRODucTioNz STRENGTH, LOVE, AND FAITH ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Oooo~~~~~~~~ oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) ---- On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, IT (itsuoda@yahoo.com) wrote: > 2c-t-7 can be very dangerous. it has been around for > years, hundreds and hundreds of people have used it in > small doses and controlled environments repeatedly > with no problems, and yet there are a handful of > incidents that warrant serious caution. The most > disturbing is that some people seem to do fine on it a > few times, then suddenly freak out, lose all memory of > what happened to them, wake up in a dark alleyway with > scratches on their bodies etc... It sounds kinda > familiar to the old stories about PCP freakouts. > > It seems clear that this drug should not be > insufflated. Unfortunately, that seems to be a very > popular route of administration. > > There is a group of grey market "research chemicals" > out there, that have been around and used within the > psychedelic and psychotherapeutic underground for a > number of years, with no apparent problems, and great > positive results. Some of these chemicals could be > safer than ecstasy, some of them less. Grossly > irresponsible use (ie- intra nasally, without a > sitter, at a public event) of 2c-t-7 puts a spotlight > on grey market chemicals as a whole, and could incur > more across the board drug interdictions. One supplier > of research chemicals has decided to act responsibly > and discontinue producing 2c-t-7, thereby hopefully > averting such an outcome. > > It would be great, however, if, as a community, we > chose to avoid certain chemicals at raves, and stick > to sobriety, or the true and tested (and I mean purity > tested) ones that have a better track/safety record > (pure mdma, lsd, or pot). I mean, would anyone think > of doing PCP at a dance event? No. > > Also, as far as I can tell from posts, there is > nothing in the 2c-t-7 trip that outshines a good > candyflip... so why take the risk? > > > --- *~Keith~*/ wrote: > > 2C-T-7 > > > (2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine)...also > > known as T7, Blue Mystic, and around here a while > > back some > > idiots were > > selling it as 'beautiful'... this is a drug that > > we'll be VERY > > lucky if > > it > > never hits the streets... it's simply too much for > > the average > > consumer. > > Sort of like giving a hunter a fully automatic > > weapon w/ armor- > > piercing > > bullets and asking them to be responsible and only > > shoot what > > they need. > > ;) > > Highly experimental, nausea is fairly common, and is > > > > potentially fatal > > when > > insufflated at doses as low as 10mg (and possibly > > lower). I > > know I've > > read > > of at least 3 deaths that all began w/ 2c-t-7 being > > ingested > > through a > > good > > ol' nostril (and one that was oral w/ it combined w/ > > MDMA). > > > > If you see somebody selling this to the avg drug > > user, I > > implore you to > > dump > > a speaker cabinet on them. :) They're just asking > > to either > > have a > > 'customer' die or end up in a padded room of the > > nearest mental > > ward. > > If > > you happen upon somebody who has ingested it > > (especially > > nasally) and > > they > > start to become agitated or violent, RUSH THEM TO > > THE NEAREST > > HOSPITAL. > > Don't even play around with the idea that they can > > sleep it > > off. And do > > what you can to inform medical staff of what they > > took and that > > siezures/cardio-pulminary problems are more or less > > eminent. > > Wheeeeeee! > > > > > > xx xx > > - - // > > ( 0 0 ) > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~oOOo-(_)-oOOo~~~~~~~ > > Keith Elliott > > iNfiNiTe pRODucTioNz > > STRENGTH, LOVE, AND FAITH > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Oooo~~~~~~~~ > > oooO ( ) > > ( ) ) / > > ( (_/ > > _) > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, leslie ayres > > (leslie.ayres@sflnc.com) > > wrote: > > > > > people, please remember this is your LIFE you are > > dealing > > with. > > > > > > it's important to be informed... so do your own > > research and > > do it well. > > > please don't take advice from someone on an email > > list about > > something > > > that > > > -- if they're wrong -- could kill you. > > > > > > one of the most dangerous "drugs" is the feeling > > on > > invincibility. i > > > don't > > > know about this substance, but i would hazard a > > guess that > > ANY substance > > > that has appears on the scene with immediate > > reports of scary > > overdoses > > > is > > > high risk. and unless you are on a spiritual quest > > that you > > have > > > developed > > > over years, and substances are your tools in that > > quest, why > > would you > > > even > > > want to take that risk? > > > > > > if you are a recreational user -- that is, if you > > choose to > > use > > > substances > > > of any kind including alcohol, for fun and an > > escape -- stick > > to things > > > that > > > have years of experience. don't be a dead guniea > > pig. be > > moderate, be > > > safe. > > > > > > i say: know what's important. > > > > > > leslie > > > > > > > > > > > > >2ct7 used in proper dosages will not produce an > > overdose. > > make sense? > > > > > > > >know your drugs. know your dealer. know yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68461-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 19:23:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79697 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 19:23:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79678 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 19:23:21 -0000 Message-ID: <8172629.994879398185.JavaMail.root@smtp.backend.another.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:23:17 +0100 (BST) From: Amber@technohead.co.uk To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8111988.994879397932.JavaMail.root@www-a21" X-Funmail-UID: 2252647 X-Senders-IP: unknown X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Eminem.. and other dumb crap --8111988.994879397932.JavaMail.root@www-a21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't get what everyones problem is with Eminem, D12, Coolworld, Cyberfest and everything else!!! If you don't like it, Don't go. It's fairly simple. If you still want to go to Cyberfest, but can't stand Eminem... don't go and see him, there are probably a billion other rooms and/or sections you can hang out in or around. As for the "ghetto" factor - Who the hell cares! People are poeple, If you can't learn to get along with others then what are you doing going to raves, or let alone even stepping foot out your front door. Not everyone who listens to that style of music is a "thug" or "ghetto". I thought most everyone here was past third grade, but apparently I was wrong again. This list, and the people on it never cease to amaze me. -Amber ***I'm holding back for something better than this. I'm holding on to nothing and I'm fine.*** ----- Be passionate about your email Just click here: http://another.com --8111988.994879397932.JavaMail.root@www-a21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --8111988.994879397932.JavaMail.root@www-a21-- From sfraves-return-68462-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 19:33:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90698 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 19:33:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90688 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 19:33:03 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:32:58 -0700 From: vix To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8172629.994879398185.JavaMail.root@smtp.backend.another.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eminem.. and other dumb crap Go Amber go!! Thank you for posting that... you are a goddess of wisdom. See you there =) To the cliquettes: there's life after high school! Just talk to people for crissake, or at least don't point and stare. You'll be fine. "Different" doesn't equal "bad" (as if people on a rave should have to be reminded). vix > I don't get what everyones problem is with Eminem, D12, Coolworld, Cyberfest > and everything else!!! > > > If you don't like it, Don't go. It's fairly simple. If you still want to go > to Cyberfest, but can't stand Eminem... don't go and see him, there are > probably a billion other rooms and/or sections you can hang out in or around. > As for the "ghetto" factor - Who the hell cares! People are poeple, If you > can't learn to get along with others then what are you doing going to raves, > or let alone even stepping foot out your front door. Not everyone who listens > to that style of music is a "thug" or "ghetto". I thought most everyone here > was past third grade, but apparently I was wrong again. This list, and the > people on it never cease to amaze me. > > > > -Amber > > > ***I'm holding back for something better than this. I'm holding on to nothing > and I'm fine.*** > > ----- > > Be passionate about your email > Just click here: http://another.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68463-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 19:37:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97001 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 19:37:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96980 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 19:37:00 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c10a41$4a2e39e0$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: , References: <8172629.994879398185.JavaMail.root@smtp.backend.another.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:40:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eminem.. and other dumb crap Damn you know what..He would be the only reason I would go cyberfest.. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: [sfraves] Eminem.. and other dumb crap > I don't get what everyones problem is with Eminem, D12, Coolworld, Cyberfest and everything else!!! > > > If you don't like it, Don't go. It's fairly simple. If you still want to go to Cyberfest, but can't stand Eminem... don't go and see him, there are probably a billion other rooms and/or sections you can hang out in or around. As for the "ghetto" factor - Who the hell cares! People are poeple, If you can't learn to get along with others then what are you doing going to raves, or let alone even stepping foot out your front door. Not everyone who listens to that style of music is a "thug" or "ghetto". I thought most everyone here was past third grade, but apparently I was wrong again. This list, and the people on it never cease to amaze me. > > > > -Amber > > > ***I'm holding back for something better than this. I'm holding on to nothing and I'm fine.*** > > ----- > > Be passionate about your email > Just click here: http://another.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68464-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 19:47:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7657 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 19:47:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7647 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 19:47:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: ampedgirly@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:47:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 19:47:06.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[43C29730:01C10A42] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] eminem at CYBERFEST 2001 considering coolworld and their history for lies and broken promises, sounds like a pretty good bet to me little matt >From: angela >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) CYBERFEST 2001 >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:36:36 -0700 (PDT) > >ok i'm taking bets...who actaully thinks that eminem will >perform at this event? sounds kinda fishy the way they >worded it too me.."eminem's new super group d-12". whatcha >wanna bet that the other members of d-12 will be there but >no eminem? well...it's just MY opinion. What do ya'll >think? >peace >angela >--- Stephanie Smiley wrote: > > > > > > > > Coolworld is proud to present the eighth annual > > > > CYBERFEST 2001 > > Saturday, August 11, 2001 > > 3Com Park Grounds at Jamestown and Harney Way > > San Francisco, CA USA > > All Ages/Gates Open at 2pm > > > > Infinite Universe: No musical limits/ Open air stage & > > live actsŠ > > Live in concert, EMINEM¹s New Super-group D12 exclusive > > West Coast > > performance(Detroit) > > America¹s # 1 Electronic act (Los Angeles)ŠThe Crystal > > Method > > Kinetic Records (San Francisco)...DJ Dan > > Christopher Lawrence ...Hook Recordings / Moonshine Music > > (Los Angeles) > > Kevens ...live drum and bass (Miami) > > Florida's #1 live trance act (Miami)... Galaxy Girl > > Uberzone ...Exclusive live performance (Los Angeles) > > America's New Electronic Rock Superstars (San > > Francisco)... Planet B > > Nizam ...live electronica hip hop (San Francisco) > > > > Bass Dimension: Jungle/DnB/ Hip-Hop/ Turntablism > > Bad Company ...BC Recordings (UK) > > La Belle Epoque Musique... Wish FM ...www.wishfm.com > > Ebony Recordings/Formation Records (UK)...Shy FX > > MC Skibadee ...2X Freestyle/Platinum Performers (UK) > > Palm Pictures (Philadelphia)... Dieselboy > > AK-1200 ...Planet of the Drums (Orlando) > > Atlantiq (San Francisco)... Kaos & Method One > > Sage & UFO ...Phunckateck (San Francisco) > > Dufunk ...Coolworld, Darc Bros (San Francisco) > > Hiatus Recordings (Salt Lake City)... Johnny Law > > Havoc w/ the Intalekt MC¹s ...Compression (San Francisco) > > Divinyl Love (Sacramento)... DJ Eternal > > MC¹S: Duh (San Francisco) & Ragga Ban Ton (Sacramento) > > > > Gateway: House, progressive, anthems > > Hosted by Feelgood Entertainment > > Charles Feelgood ...Fever/Buzz (Baltimore) > > Just Say Records (Los Angeles)... Jesse Saunders > > Donald Glaude ...Funky Tekno Tribe (Seattle) > > DJ Bizz ...Coolworld (Houston/San Francisco) > > Coolworld/Journess (San Francisco)... Kevin Kind > > Go Ventures (Los Angeles)... Reza > > Joey Mazzola ...Solmatic Records/AM Crew/Radioactive DJs > > (San Francisco) > > Solmatic Records/Radioactive DJs (San Francisco)... David > > Garcia > > DJ Huey ...Coolworld/Nightlife/Construction (San > > Francisco) > > Nightlife/Construction (Denver)... DJ Torque > > Moda > > Nick Twisted ...Dynamo/Black Flys (Seattle) > > DJ Rossi > > Kendra French > > > > > > Sanctuary: Trance/ Techno > > MTV's Skribble (New York City) > > Superstar DJ... Keoki (New York City) > > Scott Hardkiss ...United DJ's of America (New York City) > > St. John ...House Nation (San Francisco) > > Blutonium Records (San Francisco)... Thomas Trouble > > Gianni ...Spundae/Nikita (Santa Rosa) > > Skills (San Francisco)... Dyloot > > Tom Slik ...Skills (San Francisco) > > Harmony (Santa Rosa)... Greg Sandler > > Denise aka DJ-D ...www.djdenise.com (San Francisco) > > Nightlife (Fresno)... DJ Dollar > > AMFM Alexander ...Tfo Recordings (Los Angeles) > > > > Cali Zone: > > Liquid ...Journees/Remix (San Francisco) > > Skills Junglists (San Francisco)... Bukweechio & Bicolas > > Jesse Gonzalez ...The Krate (Salinas) > > Ultra Sounz/DJajax.com (San Francisco)... Jaxx the Ripper > > Simon Apex ...Subsonic Underground > > aka DJ RkTech/ClockWork Eventz/In the Mix (San > > Francisco)... Ron Reeser > > DJ Shark vs Attack DJ > > Rick V ...In tha Mix Recordings/ClockWork eventz > > (Sacramento) > > Tranquility... Alias > > Madame Mercury ...Mad Wax/Liquid > > Mercury/Streetbeat/Journees > > Silver Pearl Recordings... Prophet > > Kid Carson ...WISH > > Subsonic... Disko Shawn > > Enemy ...Gasoline/Skills > > Nightlife (San Francisco)... Pistachio & Anonymous > > Rusty ...L8 Night Productions (Fresno) > > Construction (San Francisco)... Raygun > > David Savior ...www.davidsavior.com (San Francisco) > > Coolworld (San Francisco)... Joey Trance > > Alejandro ...Construction (San Francisco) > > Feelgood Family... Alain Octavo > > > > VIP AREA: Sponsored by Peach Nightclub > > Dave Coleman & Sensei > > Arcus Collective > > Kenny Figueroa > > BB Hayes > > Norm Stradley > > Charles B > > Durben > > Ben Doren > > Paul Hemming > > DJ Seven > > Pete Avila > > Cerrelean > > N8 > > DJ Randy > > DJ Onyx > > Ben Davis > > > > ATTRACTIONS: > > 7 Entertainment Arenas > > 5 Themed Dance Arenas > > Outdoor Live Stage w/ Live Acts & MC¹s > > Acres & Acres of freedom to unite, dance and celebrate > > life > > An outdoor laser light show > > Raging Fun Fair > > Extreme Sports Exhibition > > Giant Visuals & Interactive Video > > Performance Artists, fire-dancers > > International Hot & Cold food vendors > > Vendor village > > Free-Giveaways > > VIP Tent > > Psychedelic Cyber-circus > > Global Conscious Booths & Non-Profits > > Alcohol Gardents for the 21+ > > And many more surprisesŠ > > > > BUY TICKETS NOW! > > at all Ticketmaster Locations or www.ticketmaster.com > > www.coolworld.com & info lines: 415.979.4543, > > 408.235.1077 > > > > SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL DJ! > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68465-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 19:49:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9753 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 19:49:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9743 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 19:49:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711194859.30271.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:48:59 -0700 (PDT) From: The Summer To: Dean Machine , sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: sf-jungle@saturn5.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Some issues on Compression at An Sibin and venting first of all, bars and clubs HAVE to card people, its not the rules of the promoter, it is the rule of the club. if you get hurt inside or something, and cops are involved, and you don't have id on you, the club is responsible and will get in trouble. secondly, there is a cover charge to raise money to bring in big names, like John B next Sunday or any other big name they bring in. As a promoter, i can tell you, charging $3 a head will NOT make you a profit, they are trying to keep the night going, just like the rest of us who do weeklies. Its your own fault if you forgot your id, not theirs, and if you have such a problem with their so called 'elite-ness' or social politics, then just don't go. with that attitude, its probably better that you don't come back anyway. The Summer --- Dean Machine wrote: > hi there i just want to make it known how > ridiculously wack compression is > at an sibin...for anyone that has been there before, > u know that even though > it is a "21+" club, it is really 18 and over....I go > to an sibin a lot not > just for compression but for other weekly events > that go on there...i think > it is a cool place so im not going to rag on the > venue but i am gonna talk > some ish about compression... > > i remember when i was a raver a while ago, these > same people who were so > busy with their social politics, are still > pathetic, name dropping, > scenester jerk offs...so wrapped up in their own > little scene they need to > get off their high horses...now it is just funny to > me, now being 21 that > the same shit those people were pulling is still > going on..it's totally > pathetic > > so i get to compression last Sunday and i have been > there many many many > times...obviously recognizable...now on the way in i > forgot to bring my > wallet and therefore my ID...the door girls who have > seen me many times made > a huge deal about my ID even though the bartender > and other people could > vouch for me...well they were immensely rude because > i was not part of their > cool inner circle...but it made me mad because i > could see in the bar that > there were people that i know for a fact are not 21 > let alone even 20!!! > Then to make matter worse they jack me for my 20 > bucks and are rude about it > too.... > > now to go past their rudeness and immaturity...all i > have to say is that > compression is not a club for people to have > fun...compression is a club for > CERTAIN "cool inner circle" people to enjoy > themselves....plus charging a > cover charge when the promoter does not pay any rent > for the venue, nor for > the tables (that are permanent in the club) and the > djs/Mcs (who are friends > with the premoters)...so basically they make about > over 100 percent profit > > oh well im not trying to deter anyone else going to > compression but i for > one will never go on sunday nights ever again... > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68466-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 19:57:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19581 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 19:57:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19571 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 19:57:44 -0000 From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:01:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C10A09.89703460" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C10A09.89703460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Week by week, day by day, I notice various events with good talent that catch my eye. But as more time passes, I try not to even bother, because its almost a given that its 21+. Organic, Phuturo, Come-Unity, Le Freak, DeLuxe, Recycle, Release, Spundae, Nikita, Scuba, 12 Monkeys, Usual, Voodoo Lounge, Velvet Shop, etc. All of which I have had, or still have, interest in, and can't attend. Anywhere I can find good house/techno/dnb for the 18+ (ie: Trevor Rockliffe, DJ Dan, Ian Pooley, Misstress Barbara, Stacey Pullen, Gene Farris, Junior Sanchez, Roger Sanchez, Angel Alanis, DJ Sneak, Terry Mullan, Doc Martin, Derrick Carter, Jeno, Tony, Mark Farina, Andy C, Ed Rush, Bad Company, Masters at Work, Dj Pierre, Richie Hawtin, Billy Nasty, Kosheen, John Aquaviva, Onionz, just to name a few)??? Can we have some good house/techno/dnb clubs for the 18 n up? ///brianTHOMAS/// ///technoREPUBLIC.net/// ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C10A09.89703460-- From sfraves-return-68467-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 20:08:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36122 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 20:08:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36097 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 20:08:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:07:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 20:07:36.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[20B8AEC0:01C10A45] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Welcome: Dj's Presha & Ron Reeser Presha – Compound Records/Es footwear, San Francisco – Presha is fierce. His set at Gigabeatz some two years ago left a deep impression in my mind. To this day I still can remember the total chaos and Mayhem that Presha exacted upon the helpless crowds. He showed no mercy, none whatsoever. This was almost industrial DnB. Expect full emotional distruction. And a take no prisoners attitude Ron Reeser aka DJ Rktech -- Metropolis/Clockwork eventz, San Francisco -- The Mastermind behind all those Metropolis events, I saw Ron spin for the first time about a year ago at a pre-metropolis party. He threw down a high octane set of bangin' house tracks. This is 100% of the hard stuff, nuthin' watered down here. Forget the Redbulls, you're gonna work up a sweat on Ron's dancefloor. -- Liquidcafe.com Read about the other Beautiful Universe Dj's at http://www.liquidcafe.com/bu2.html Just 3 days before lift off. ~~ * BEAUTIFUL UNIVERSE * ~~ Launch date: Friday July 13, 2001AD 9pm a merge production The Beautiful Line up: http://www.liquidcafe.com/bu2.html Visuals: Eyelusions Lasers: The one and only, straight from the old skool, often immitated never duplicated - Hollywood Dog, plus B2B Productions. Five booming sound systems Infolines: 916.466.9113 415.303.7404 Online: http://www.liquidcafe.com/events.html **** GET YOUR PRESALE TIX NOW AND SAVE TIME AND MONEY **** Presales Tix - $20 In Tha Mix Records, 2329 I street, Sacramento 916.442.0499 Skills, 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley 510.704.9876 $25 @ the Door Liquidcafe is dedicated to uniting the scene, bringing together artists from Trance, House, Happy Hardcore, NRG, DnB, Trip Hop and down tempo. If you share the vision, and you would like to contribute love and positive energy to the cause, and/or promote for this event send private email to this addy. ******* LIQUIDCAFE.COM FULLY SUPPORTS A SOBER PARTY EXPERIENCE ******* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68468-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 20:19:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53647 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 20:19:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53637 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 20:19:10 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <007101c10a46$90f8d6a0$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "sfraves" , "DJ D LIST" , Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:17:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C10A0B.DEF068E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] *****CONSTRUCTION*****(HouseMusik)!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C10A0B.DEF068E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its Wednesday and tonight Construction will be taking place.. continuing work on the house musik scene.. which just keeps getting bigger and better Construction Real SF House with djs Huey Torque Ron Reeser aka Dj Rktech & Ben Davis Every week Construction offers real house music for only $5 Bux!!! you cant beat that.. Heres tha Info... 18+ to get down, 21+ to get tipsy Located @ 330 ritch in the city (sf) 10pm-2am If you need more info call 415.721.4610 "In House We Trust" ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C10A0B.DEF068E0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-68469-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 20:19:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54760 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 20:19:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54678 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 20:19:20 -0000 Message-ID: <016c01c10b11$05f9efa0$fbd0fea9@foothill.net> From: "`black-locust'" To: "Mail List (us-junglist)" , "Mail List (dnb arena)" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:26:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014B_01C10AD6.3BC79820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NEW! another mp3.. ( pl-x - assassin ) check it if you're down. ------=_NextPart_000_014B_01C10AD6.3BC79820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've upped another track to the www.black-locust.com, audio impulse = section.. a brand new one from pl-x called ( assassin ). have a listen and find = out why.. free dollars as always.. feedback's appreciated. also availaible.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------\\-------------- \ angelzero and pl-x - reach further \ bishop - overdose \ bishop feat. lauren - xes \ bishop and tofu de la moore - whichcraft \ ghetto tactics - soldier strike \ ghetto tactics - tack-1 \ jitsu - quiz=20 \ pl-x - last of this kind \ pl-x - lush \ pl-x - prowler detect \ reason - feel me \ reason - knowledge \ reason - tranquility \ reason and bishop - aftermath \ slim n' tofu - black dreams \ slim n' tofu - ruthy \ tofu de la moore - central city sounds \ tofu de la moore - she knows \ tofu de la moore - wiccastep and regret -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------\\-------------- all tracks are in mp3 format and sampled at 192 kb\s all music found here is the property of `black-locust' and the respective artists \ all rights reserved: 2001 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------\\-------------- \\ mattie : contact `black-locust' - drums n' bass \ contact@black-locust.com \ www.black-locust.com AIM: blocustmattie ICQ: 84768358 ------=_NextPart_000_014B_01C10AD6.3BC79820-- From sfraves-return-68470-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 20:20:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58706 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 20:20:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58687 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 20:20:37 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:20:29 -0700 From: Nman To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Colors this Thursday This week at Colors: in the main room (drum & bass): 9-10: colecovision 10-11: iron monkey 11-12:special guest Poohbear (Streetlight Records, Santa Cruz) Poohbear is the original santa cruz junglist - he hosted the Soundz of Resistance radio show on KZSC 88.1FM in 96/97, which started the tradition of drum & bass on kzsc sunday nights. don't miss this special old school jungle set! 12-1: pdm:s 1-2: teradyne w/ MC Soulja all night in the back room (house): vasili eric g naked twister also new this week: NuKava & NuRana energy drinks from DrinksThatWork, available at the concession stand! NuKava is a potent tropical and spiced blend containing a truly effective dose of kava. NuRana is a vibrant, fruity elixir containing three of nature's most potent energizers: Kola Nut, Guarana, and Green Tea. Colors is every Thursday night at the Vets Hall Basement, 846 Front St., Downtown Santa Cruz. 18+, 9pm-2am. $5 at the door, free before 10pm. www.divercityproductions.com www.argonrecords.com www.vetshall.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68471-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 20:24:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67725 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 20:24:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67691 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 20:24:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "TechnoRepublic Staff" , "SF RAVES" References: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:32:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 20:23:48.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[647B4300:01C10A47] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? check out lymlight in mtn view to night should be off the hook. or cactus should be jumpin tonight too. If your there ill prolly see you... Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? > Week by week, day by day, I notice various events with good talent that > catch my eye. But as more time passes, I try not to even bother, because > its almost a given that its 21+. > > Organic, Phuturo, Come-Unity, Le Freak, DeLuxe, Recycle, Release, Spundae, > Nikita, Scuba, 12 Monkeys, Usual, Voodoo Lounge, Velvet Shop, etc. All of > which I have had, or still have, interest in, and can't attend. Anywhere I > can find good house/techno/dnb for the 18+ (ie: Trevor Rockliffe, DJ Dan, > Ian Pooley, Misstress Barbara, Stacey Pullen, Gene Farris, Junior Sanchez, > Roger Sanchez, Angel Alanis, DJ Sneak, Terry Mullan, Doc Martin, Derrick > Carter, Jeno, Tony, Mark Farina, Andy C, Ed Rush, Bad Company, Masters at > Work, Dj Pierre, Richie Hawtin, Billy Nasty, Kosheen, John Aquaviva, Onionz, > just to name a few)??? > > > > Can we have some good house/techno/dnb clubs for the 18 n up? > > > > > > ///brianTHOMAS/// > ///technoREPUBLIC.net/// > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68472-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 20:26:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70648 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 20:26:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70635 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 20:26:04 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <008c01c10a47$87c0cd80$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "TechnoRepublic Staff" , References: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:24:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? Construction is a house club that goes off every wednesday and its for tha 18 and up.. interested?? hit me up for guestlist... :) L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? > Week by week, day by day, I notice various events with good talent that > catch my eye. But as more time passes, I try not to even bother, because > its almost a given that its 21+. > > Organic, Phuturo, Come-Unity, Le Freak, DeLuxe, Recycle, Release, Spundae, > Nikita, Scuba, 12 Monkeys, Usual, Voodoo Lounge, Velvet Shop, etc. All of > which I have had, or still have, interest in, and can't attend. Anywhere I > can find good house/techno/dnb for the 18+ (ie: Trevor Rockliffe, DJ Dan, > Ian Pooley, Misstress Barbara, Stacey Pullen, Gene Farris, Junior Sanchez, > Roger Sanchez, Angel Alanis, DJ Sneak, Terry Mullan, Doc Martin, Derrick > Carter, Jeno, Tony, Mark Farina, Andy C, Ed Rush, Bad Company, Masters at > Work, Dj Pierre, Richie Hawtin, Billy Nasty, Kosheen, John Aquaviva, Onionz, > just to name a few)??? > > > > Can we have some good house/techno/dnb clubs for the 18 n up? > > > > > > ///brianTHOMAS/// > ///technoREPUBLIC.net/// > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68473-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 20:27:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72906 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 20:27:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72885 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 20:27:12 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <009601c10a47$b037fea0$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "trance fiend" , , References: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:25:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] eminem at CYBERFEST 2001 ill take u up on that bet... how much do you wanna put down i can throw a couple hundred... im serious too... L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "trance fiend" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] eminem at CYBERFEST 2001 > considering coolworld and their history for lies and broken promises, sounds > like a pretty good bet to me > > little matt > > > >From: angela > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) CYBERFEST 2001 > >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:36:36 -0700 (PDT) > > > >ok i'm taking bets...who actaully thinks that eminem will > >perform at this event? sounds kinda fishy the way they > >worded it too me.."eminem's new super group d-12". whatcha > >wanna bet that the other members of d-12 will be there but > >no eminem? well...it's just MY opinion. What do ya'll > >think? > >peace > >angela > >--- Stephanie Smiley wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Coolworld is proud to present the eighth annual > > > > > > CYBERFEST 2001 > > > Saturday, August 11, 2001 > > > 3Com Park Grounds at Jamestown and Harney Way > > > San Francisco, CA USA > > > All Ages/Gates Open at 2pm > > > > > > Infinite Universe: No musical limits/ Open air stage & > > > live actsS > > > Live in concert, EMINEM¹s New Super-group D12 exclusive > > > West Coast > > > performance(Detroit) > > > America¹s # 1 Electronic act (Los Angeles)SThe Crystal > > > Method > > > Kinetic Records (San Francisco)...DJ Dan > > > Christopher Lawrence ...Hook Recordings / Moonshine Music > > > (Los Angeles) > > > Kevens ...live drum and bass (Miami) > > > Florida's #1 live trance act (Miami)... Galaxy Girl > > > Uberzone ...Exclusive live performance (Los Angeles) > > > America's New Electronic Rock Superstars (San > > > Francisco)... Planet B > > > Nizam ...live electronica hip hop (San Francisco) > > > > > > Bass Dimension: Jungle/DnB/ Hip-Hop/ Turntablism > > > Bad Company ...BC Recordings (UK) > > > La Belle Epoque Musique... Wish FM ...www.wishfm.com > > > Ebony Recordings/Formation Records (UK)...Shy FX > > > MC Skibadee ...2X Freestyle/Platinum Performers (UK) > > > Palm Pictures (Philadelphia)... Dieselboy > > > AK-1200 ...Planet of the Drums (Orlando) > > > Atlantiq (San Francisco)... Kaos & Method One > > > Sage & UFO ...Phunckateck (San Francisco) > > > Dufunk ...Coolworld, Darc Bros (San Francisco) > > > Hiatus Recordings (Salt Lake City)... Johnny Law > > > Havoc w/ the Intalekt MC¹s ...Compression (San Francisco) > > > Divinyl Love (Sacramento)... DJ Eternal > > > MC¹S: Duh (San Francisco) & Ragga Ban Ton (Sacramento) > > > > > > Gateway: House, progressive, anthems > > > Hosted by Feelgood Entertainment > > > Charles Feelgood ...Fever/Buzz (Baltimore) > > > Just Say Records (Los Angeles)... Jesse Saunders > > > Donald Glaude ...Funky Tekno Tribe (Seattle) > > > DJ Bizz ...Coolworld (Houston/San Francisco) > > > Coolworld/Journess (San Francisco)... Kevin Kind > > > Go Ventures (Los Angeles)... Reza > > > Joey Mazzola ...Solmatic Records/AM Crew/Radioactive DJs > > > (San Francisco) > > > Solmatic Records/Radioactive DJs (San Francisco)... David > > > Garcia > > > DJ Huey ...Coolworld/Nightlife/Construction (San > > > Francisco) > > > Nightlife/Construction (Denver)... DJ Torque > > > Moda > > > Nick Twisted ...Dynamo/Black Flys (Seattle) > > > DJ Rossi > > > Kendra French > > > > > > > > > Sanctuary: Trance/ Techno > > > MTV's Skribble (New York City) > > > Superstar DJ... Keoki (New York City) > > > Scott Hardkiss ...United DJ's of America (New York City) > > > St. John ...House Nation (San Francisco) > > > Blutonium Records (San Francisco)... Thomas Trouble > > > Gianni ...Spundae/Nikita (Santa Rosa) > > > Skills (San Francisco)... Dyloot > > > Tom Slik ...Skills (San Francisco) > > > Harmony (Santa Rosa)... Greg Sandler > > > Denise aka DJ-D ...www.djdenise.com (San Francisco) > > > Nightlife (Fresno)... DJ Dollar > > > AMFM Alexander ...Tfo Recordings (Los Angeles) > > > > > > Cali Zone: > > > Liquid ...Journees/Remix (San Francisco) > > > Skills Junglists (San Francisco)... Bukweechio & Bicolas > > > Jesse Gonzalez ...The Krate (Salinas) > > > Ultra Sounz/DJajax.com (San Francisco)... Jaxx the Ripper > > > Simon Apex ...Subsonic Underground > > > aka DJ RkTech/ClockWork Eventz/In the Mix (San > > > Francisco)... Ron Reeser > > > DJ Shark vs Attack DJ > > > Rick V ...In tha Mix Recordings/ClockWork eventz > > > (Sacramento) > > > Tranquility... Alias > > > Madame Mercury ...Mad Wax/Liquid > > > Mercury/Streetbeat/Journees > > > Silver Pearl Recordings... Prophet > > > Kid Carson ...WISH > > > Subsonic... Disko Shawn > > > Enemy ...Gasoline/Skills > > > Nightlife (San Francisco)... Pistachio & Anonymous > > > Rusty ...L8 Night Productions (Fresno) > > > Construction (San Francisco)... Raygun > > > David Savior ...www.davidsavior.com (San Francisco) > > > Coolworld (San Francisco)... Joey Trance > > > Alejandro ...Construction (San Francisco) > > > Feelgood Family... Alain Octavo > > > > > > VIP AREA: Sponsored by Peach Nightclub > > > Dave Coleman & Sensei > > > Arcus Collective > > > Kenny Figueroa > > > BB Hayes > > > Norm Stradley > > > Charles B > > > Durben > > > Ben Doren > > > Paul Hemming > > > DJ Seven > > > Pete Avila > > > Cerrelean > > > N8 > > > DJ Randy > > > DJ Onyx > > > Ben Davis > > > > > > ATTRACTIONS: > > > 7 Entertainment Arenas > > > 5 Themed Dance Arenas > > > Outdoor Live Stage w/ Live Acts & MC¹s > > > Acres & Acres of freedom to unite, dance and celebrate > > > life > > > An outdoor laser light show > > > Raging Fun Fair > > > Extreme Sports Exhibition > > > Giant Visuals & Interactive Video > > > Performance Artists, fire-dancers > > > International Hot & Cold food vendors > > > Vendor village > > > Free-Giveaways > > > VIP Tent > > > Psychedelic Cyber-circus > > > Global Conscious Booths & Non-Profits > > > Alcohol Gardents for the 21+ > > > And many more surprisesS > > > > > > BUY TICKETS NOW! > > > at all Ticketmaster Locations or www.ticketmaster.com > > > www.coolworld.com & info lines: 415.979.4543, > > > 408.235.1077 > > > > > > SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL DJ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68474-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 20:28:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75884 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 20:28:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75821 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 20:28:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711202719.84589.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:27:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Fraser To: JonnyR@aol.com, aK@groovefactorypro.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: scr@socal-raves.org In-Reply-To: <10f.25c26a9.287dbf6d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- Is there a street name? --- JonnyR@aol.com wrote: > Hi, this stuff sounds really scary, and there' s no > way in hell I would try > it. well, you really have to know what you're doing... as long as that applies, it is safe. >Is there a street name for it? I hope not. And since it is legal, getting it off the street is stupid becuase who know what the dealer has cut it with, and exactly how strong the dose is - for things like 2CT7, dosage is very important. but anyone who snorts 35 mg of it, when 5 mg is an effective dose, gets no sympathy from me. At what point do we draw the line and say, "look, there's enough info out there on the Internet that one has to take some responsibility when one screws up like that" Now I'm going to get a bunch of hate mail from people.... >I want to know > what to tell my friends to > stay totally away from. Has it been seen around > here? > It's bad enough that there are people who sell bunk > drugs that do nothing ... > It's worse when they sell something like DXM that's > legal but can hurt you > badly ... But to sell something that is really, > really dangerous ... string' > em up by the balls! it's not dangerous if you are careful. but how many people can we say are like that.... > > On top of that, having authorities attribute these > problems to ecstasy -- > even "adulterated ecstasy"-- makes our whole scene > look really bad in a very > undeserved way. Those among us who use e (and > that's NOT all of us, to the > Authorities who are listening in) usually have some > sense about partying > responsibly and know their limits. well, to go off on a tangent here , I really wish people would use the chemical names rather than "ecstasy". Ecstasy is nothing more than a marketing label and is ultimately meaningless. Pure 2CT7 is not "adulterated ecstasy [i.e. MDMA]" It is something completely different and should be discussed as such. And mixing MDMA with 2CT7 would be interesting, I'm sure, but the rules for doing that are different than with just MDMA Hopefully, if enough people start doing this (ha) then some rational discussion could start - using nebulous terms like "ecstasy" muddies the discussion because it means different things to different people when talking about drugs, precision is very important (but the media doesn't like to be precise) >Some people who > overdo it have lots of > other problems. But something like 2-CT-7 sounds so > dangerous that people > could get over their heads without knowing it, with > very tragic results. dosage, dosage, dosage, dosage,.... Doug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68475-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 20:37:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88559 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 20:37:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88543 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 20:37:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711203659.3694.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:36:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Fraser To: leslie ayres , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010711181030.RYDE18257.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths just an addendum (to the usual sort of great post by leslie) --- leslie ayres wrote: > people, please remember this is your LIFE you are > dealing with. > > it's important to be informed... so do your own > research and do it well. yes > please don't take advice from someone on an email > list about something that > -- if they're wrong -- could kill you. well, I know (and am sure of) what I'm talking about (98%) so ask me :) and I've got references... or go ask Dr. Shulgin over at the Alchemind Society - he has a Ann Landers type column online > > one of the most dangerous "drugs" is the feeling on > invincibility. i don't > know about this substance, but i would hazard a > guess that ANY substance > that has appears on the scene with immediate reports > of scary overdoses is > high risk. it has been around for awhile; it just seems that it is now breaking out into the general populace (hence the increasing reports of bad reactions due to irresponsible behavior) >and unless you are on a spiritual quest > that you have developed > over years, and substances are your tools in that > quest, why would you even > want to take that risk? > > if you are a recreational user -- that is, if you > choose to use substances > of any kind including alcohol, for fun and an escape > -- stick to things that > have years of experience. don't be a dead guniea > pig. be moderate, be safe. this is a good point, one that I have not encountered before - one to remember Doug > > i say: know what's important. > > leslie > > > > >2ct7 used in proper dosages will not produce an > overdose. make sense? > > > >know your drugs. know your dealer. know yourself. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68476-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 20:37:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88762 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 20:37:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88725 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 20:37:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.214.121.63] From: "Solmatic Records" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:36:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 20:36:32.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BBAD740:01C10A49] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Joey , Greg ,and Ron tonite bsp ! Join us at the lime light for some pounding beats. 10 til 2 am 18+ and a full bar !! Special guest KAIZEN (a UK import) For more info call 1-800-561-1800 Have a nice one 8) Joey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68477-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 21:01:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19852 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 21:01:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19841 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 21:01:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711210117.20003.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: trancsonic To: TechnoRepublic Staff , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? You mightwant to check out the Brainchild Records Tour happening at Limelight in Mountain View on Wednesday nights. Headliners 7/4 DDR (he was cool), 7/11 Kaizen, 7/18 Armann, 7/25 H-Foundation (Hipp-E and Halo), 8/1 Jon the Dentist, 8/08 Terry Mullan, 08/15 Angel Alanis and 08/22 Nostrum. Dyloot, Greg Sandler, Tom Slik, Madame Mercury, Joey Mazzola, RK Teck Gianni and a bunch others are rotating in. And the flyer says Glaude is coming too. --- TechnoRepublic Staff wrote: > Week by week, day by day, I notice various events > with good talent that > catch my eye. But as more time passes, I try not to > even bother, because > its almost a given that its 21+. > > Organic, Phuturo, Come-Unity, Le Freak, DeLuxe, > Recycle, Release, Spundae, > Nikita, Scuba, 12 Monkeys, Usual, Voodoo Lounge, > Velvet Shop, etc. All of > which I have had, or still have, interest in, and > can't attend. Anywhere I > can find good house/techno/dnb for the 18+ (ie: > Trevor Rockliffe, DJ Dan, > Ian Pooley, Misstress Barbara, Stacey Pullen, Gene > Farris, Junior Sanchez, > Roger Sanchez, Angel Alanis, DJ Sneak, Terry Mullan, > Doc Martin, Derrick > Carter, Jeno, Tony, Mark Farina, Andy C, Ed Rush, > Bad Company, Masters at > Work, Dj Pierre, Richie Hawtin, Billy Nasty, > Kosheen, John Aquaviva, Onionz, > just to name a few)??? > > > > Can we have some good house/techno/dnb clubs for the > 18 n up? > > > > > > ///brianTHOMAS/// > ///technoREPUBLIC.net/// > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68478-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 21:01:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20134 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 21:01:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20102 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 21:01:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711210119.75311.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:01:19 -0700 (PDT) From: trancsonic To: TechnoRepublic Staff , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? You mightwant to check out the Brainchild Records Tour happening at Limelight in Mountain View on Wednesday nights. Headliners 7/4 DDR (he was cool), 7/11 Kaizen, 7/18 Armann, 7/25 H-Foundation (Hipp-E and Halo), 8/1 Jon the Dentist, 8/08 Terry Mullan, 08/15 Angel Alanis and 08/22 Nostrum. Dyloot, Greg Sandler, Tom Slik, Madame Mercury, Joey Mazzola, RK Teck Gianni and a bunch others are rotating in. And the flyer says Glaude is coming too. --- TechnoRepublic Staff wrote: > Week by week, day by day, I notice various events > with good talent that > catch my eye. But as more time passes, I try not to > even bother, because > its almost a given that its 21+. > > Organic, Phuturo, Come-Unity, Le Freak, DeLuxe, > Recycle, Release, Spundae, > Nikita, Scuba, 12 Monkeys, Usual, Voodoo Lounge, > Velvet Shop, etc. All of > which I have had, or still have, interest in, and > can't attend. Anywhere I > can find good house/techno/dnb for the 18+ (ie: > Trevor Rockliffe, DJ Dan, > Ian Pooley, Misstress Barbara, Stacey Pullen, Gene > Farris, Junior Sanchez, > Roger Sanchez, Angel Alanis, DJ Sneak, Terry Mullan, > Doc Martin, Derrick > Carter, Jeno, Tony, Mark Farina, Andy C, Ed Rush, > Bad Company, Masters at > Work, Dj Pierre, Richie Hawtin, Billy Nasty, > Kosheen, John Aquaviva, Onionz, > just to name a few)??? > > > > Can we have some good house/techno/dnb clubs for the > 18 n up? > > > > > > ///brianTHOMAS/// > ///technoREPUBLIC.net/// > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68479-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 21:11:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31227 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 21:11:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31209 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 21:11:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: djesmo@yahoo.com, ampedgirly@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:10:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 21:10:32.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB661560:01C10A4D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] eminem at CYBERFEST 2001 esmo.....why is it that in most every post i've seen you respond to it seems like you've got somethin you're tryin to prove?....c'mon dude...life ain't this stressful little matt >From: "E S M O" >To: "trance fiend" , , > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] eminem at CYBERFEST 2001 >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:25:55 -0700 > >ill take u up on that bet... >how much do you wanna >put down >i can throw a couple hundred... >im serious too... >L8 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "trance fiend" >To: ; >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 12:47 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] eminem at CYBERFEST 2001 > > > > considering coolworld and their history for lies and broken promises, >sounds > > like a pretty good bet to me > > > > little matt > > > > > > >From: angela > > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) CYBERFEST 2001 > > >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:36:36 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >ok i'm taking bets...who actaully thinks that eminem will > > >perform at this event? sounds kinda fishy the way they > > >worded it too me.."eminem's new super group d-12". whatcha > > >wanna bet that the other members of d-12 will be there but > > >no eminem? well...it's just MY opinion. What do ya'll > > >think? > > >peace > > >angela > > >--- Stephanie Smiley wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coolworld is proud to present the eighth annual > > > > > > > > CYBERFEST 2001 > > > > Saturday, August 11, 2001 > > > > 3Com Park Grounds at Jamestown and Harney Way > > > > San Francisco, CA USA > > > > All Ages/Gates Open at 2pm > > > > > > > > Infinite Universe: No musical limits/ Open air stage & > > > > live actsS > > > > Live in concert, EMINEM¹s New Super-group D12 exclusive > > > > West Coast > > > > performance(Detroit) > > > > America¹s # 1 Electronic act (Los Angeles)SThe Crystal > > > > Method > > > > Kinetic Records (San Francisco)...DJ Dan > > > > Christopher Lawrence ...Hook Recordings / Moonshine Music > > > > (Los Angeles) > > > > Kevens ...live drum and bass (Miami) > > > > Florida's #1 live trance act (Miami)... Galaxy Girl > > > > Uberzone ...Exclusive live performance (Los Angeles) > > > > America's New Electronic Rock Superstars (San > > > > Francisco)... Planet B > > > > Nizam ...live electronica hip hop (San Francisco) > > > > > > > > Bass Dimension: Jungle/DnB/ Hip-Hop/ Turntablism > > > > Bad Company ...BC Recordings (UK) > > > > La Belle Epoque Musique... Wish FM ...www.wishfm.com > > > > Ebony Recordings/Formation Records (UK)...Shy FX > > > > MC Skibadee ...2X Freestyle/Platinum Performers (UK) > > > > Palm Pictures (Philadelphia)... Dieselboy > > > > AK-1200 ...Planet of the Drums (Orlando) > > > > Atlantiq (San Francisco)... Kaos & Method One > > > > Sage & UFO ...Phunckateck (San Francisco) > > > > Dufunk ...Coolworld, Darc Bros (San Francisco) > > > > Hiatus Recordings (Salt Lake City)... Johnny Law > > > > Havoc w/ the Intalekt MC¹s ...Compression (San Francisco) > > > > Divinyl Love (Sacramento)... DJ Eternal > > > > MC¹S: Duh (San Francisco) & Ragga Ban Ton (Sacramento) > > > > > > > > Gateway: House, progressive, anthems > > > > Hosted by Feelgood Entertainment > > > > Charles Feelgood ...Fever/Buzz (Baltimore) > > > > Just Say Records (Los Angeles)... Jesse Saunders > > > > Donald Glaude ...Funky Tekno Tribe (Seattle) > > > > DJ Bizz ...Coolworld (Houston/San Francisco) > > > > Coolworld/Journess (San Francisco)... Kevin Kind > > > > Go Ventures (Los Angeles)... Reza > > > > Joey Mazzola ...Solmatic Records/AM Crew/Radioactive DJs > > > > (San Francisco) > > > > Solmatic Records/Radioactive DJs (San Francisco)... David > > > > Garcia > > > > DJ Huey ...Coolworld/Nightlife/Construction (San > > > > Francisco) > > > > Nightlife/Construction (Denver)... DJ Torque > > > > Moda > > > > Nick Twisted ...Dynamo/Black Flys (Seattle) > > > > DJ Rossi > > > > Kendra French > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanctuary: Trance/ Techno > > > > MTV's Skribble (New York City) > > > > Superstar DJ... 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Alain Octavo > > > > > > > > VIP AREA: Sponsored by Peach Nightclub > > > > Dave Coleman & Sensei > > > > Arcus Collective > > > > Kenny Figueroa > > > > BB Hayes > > > > Norm Stradley > > > > Charles B > > > > Durben > > > > Ben Doren > > > > Paul Hemming > > > > DJ Seven > > > > Pete Avila > > > > Cerrelean > > > > N8 > > > > DJ Randy > > > > DJ Onyx > > > > Ben Davis > > > > > > > > ATTRACTIONS: > > > > 7 Entertainment Arenas > > > > 5 Themed Dance Arenas > > > > Outdoor Live Stage w/ Live Acts & MC¹s > > > > Acres & Acres of freedom to unite, dance and celebrate > > > > life > > > > An outdoor laser light show > > > > Raging Fun Fair > > > > Extreme Sports Exhibition > > > > Giant Visuals & Interactive Video > > > > Performance Artists, fire-dancers > > > > International Hot & Cold food vendors > > > > Vendor village > > > > Free-Giveaways > > > > VIP Tent > > > > Psychedelic Cyber-circus > > > > Global Conscious Booths & Non-Profits > > > > Alcohol Gardents for the 21+ > > > > And many more surprisesS > > > > > > > > BUY TICKETS NOW! > > > > at all Ticketmaster Locations or www.ticketmaster.com > > > > www.coolworld.com & info lines: 415.979.4543, > > > > 408.235.1077 > > > > > > > > SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL DJ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68480-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 21:11:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33209 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 21:11:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33199 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 21:11:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:15:32 -0700 From: Jacob - SFDance To: Sfraves Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Promoters send your BSPs If you haven't already posted your BSP to SFRaves then feel free to email it to me... The next edition of the SFDanceShout goes out on Thursday:) -Jacob SFDance.org ------------------- Thanks for supporting the dance community! SFDance Weekly Dance Music/Rave Events Newsletter http://sfdanceshout.listbot.com Sign up to receive a weekly announcement list of San Francisco dance music/community events. Do you dance to the sound of your washing machine? http://www.sfdance.org/ Do you like our newsletter? Help support us... http://www.sfdance.org/thankyou.html ------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68481-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 21:23:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45236 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 21:22:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45226 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 21:22:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "trancsonic" , "TechnoRepublic Staff" , References: <20010711210117.20003.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:31:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 21:22:29.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[9713DCC0:01C10A4F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? dam when is Glaude coming he put on the best show i have ever seen by dj or god at Orgasmik (Vlads B-day bash) I so got to see that man hit the decks again. ::DJworship:: Glaude is god :-p screams ahhhhhhhhhh :::/DJworship:: Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68482-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 21:26:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49205 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 21:26:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49195 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 21:26:15 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <066001c10a4f$f04914e0$0500000a@cryptowhore.org> From: "Nathan Seven" To: "trance fiend" , , , References: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:24:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] eminem at CYBERFEST 2001 > >From: "E S M O" > >ill take u up on that bet... > >how much do you wanna > >put down > >i can throw a couple hundred... > >im serious too... Ok, a couple hundred is a little rich for me- But I'm always down for some action, especially when it involves potential promoter shadiness... So- $20 it is- I say Eminen will NOT be performing at Cyberfest 2001. -- "Educating the heads of eight lonely beggars..." LOOK: New email address! "scosol@yahoo.com" AIM: IMFDUP _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68483-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 21:32:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55067 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 21:32:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55034 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 21:32:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.174.129.171] From: "A G" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:31:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 21:31:46.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[E30E9650:01C10A50] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Trees N Beats! Trees N Beats! Trees N Beats Camping Festival 2001 Hello-- This is a friendly reminder that the second annual Trees N Beats festival is just around the corner! When: August 17-19th, 2001 Where: A beautiful, private resort located in Mendocino County Tickets are on sale now at the following locations: Solid Grooves - San Jose (408) 248-6399 Primal Records - Berkeley (510) 548-8511 Housewares - San Francisco (415) 252-1440 Release Community - Arcata (707) 822-6150 Tix are only $50 for the entire weekend and come with a free mix CD, featuring some of the performing DJs. Your purchase directly benefits Trees N Beats and ensures this will be another unforgettable experience. DJs, firedancers, live PAs, instrumental bands, henna tatoo artists, massage tables and more! **************************************************** More about Trees N Beats: We will be gathering at a beautiful private resort in Mendocino County (about 3 hours north of San Francisco) to celebrate the joys of life and the community we have created for each other. There will be a variety of dj's, musicians, dancers, performers and artists to be enjoyed by all. All proceeds directly benefit the performers and future Trees N Beats festivals! **************************************************** DJs and Live PAs: Nikola (Soundworks, Housewares, Soulfood Recordings), SF Mike "Agent X" Clark, (Planet E, beatdownsounds.com) Detroit Alonso (audio abuse, independent music) SJ Arturo Garces (funkyteknotribe, independent music), SJ EBE (solid traxx, soma, plastic city), SJ The Rhythmist (Audio Abuse, Resource Records), SJ Dhyan Moller (Drone Music), SC moodyEVA (goodbeats, AM Crew), Oakland Paul Leath (el otro mundo, resource records), SJ Chris Leath (el otro mundo), SJ Russell Vargas (release, spundae), SF Christian Clark (siesta), SF DJ CK (trees n beats, ten four, goodbeats), SF Podge (trees n beats, hodgepodge productions), SJ Receiver (release.community, ecotopia recordings), Humboldt Cty DJ Touch (release.community, ecotopia recordings), Humboldt Cty Polar Bear, SJ Twilite (el otro mundo), SJ If you would like more info email us at info@treesnbeats.com Stay on the lookout for our final flyer with a full listing of confirmed DJs and performers. Due out mid-July. For updated information, please visit our website: http://www.treesnbeats.com spread the word [[the vibe is alive]] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68484-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 21:38:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64603 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 21:38:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64592 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 21:38:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.182] From: "Becca Plevin" To: staff@technorepublic.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:37:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 21:37:48.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[BADBA4B0:01C10A51] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (mini BSP )Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? You should come check out Ascension on Thursdays in Berkeley. It is at 2367 Telegraph Avenue (Blake's). This week the lineup features Fuckwork, Macadio vs Alex van Dune (2x4), and DJ D vs Ice-9 (2x4). Ascension is $5 for the 21+ and $7 for the 18-20 crowd.... hope to see you there! Becca And I am happy to say that on Thursday July 26th, one of the DJ's from your list will be playing a special 3 hour set.... not going to say who yet, but suffice it to say that the lil househead in me can't wait for the end of the month. Keep you eyes open for the BSP.... >From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" >To: >Subject: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:01:01 -0700 > >Week by week, day by day, I notice various events with good talent that >catch my eye. But as more time passes, I try not to even bother, because >its almost a given that its 21+. > >Organic, Phuturo, Come-Unity, Le Freak, DeLuxe, Recycle, Release, Spundae, >Nikita, Scuba, 12 Monkeys, Usual, Voodoo Lounge, Velvet Shop, etc. All of >which I have had, or still have, interest in, and can't attend. Anywhere I >can find good house/techno/dnb for the 18+ (ie: Trevor Rockliffe, DJ Dan, >Ian Pooley, Misstress Barbara, Stacey Pullen, Gene Farris, Junior Sanchez, >Roger Sanchez, Angel Alanis, DJ Sneak, Terry Mullan, Doc Martin, Derrick >Carter, Jeno, Tony, Mark Farina, Andy C, Ed Rush, Bad Company, Masters at >Work, Dj Pierre, Richie Hawtin, Billy Nasty, Kosheen, John Aquaviva, >Onionz, >just to name a few)??? > > > >Can we have some good house/techno/dnb clubs for the 18 n up? > > > > > >///brianTHOMAS/// >///technoREPUBLIC.net/// _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68485-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 21:41:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67301 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 21:41:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67291 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 21:41:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <013201c10a52$21f22d40$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "sfraves" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:40:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01C10A17.7571C380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ))))))))))FIESTA*FIESTA(((((((((((BSP))))))) ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C10A17.7571C380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nightlife Productions Presents... 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-68486-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 21:52:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75950 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 21:52:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75910 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 21:52:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.21] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:51:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 21:51:40.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAC4EBC0:01C10A53] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? Stereophonik/Killasubz has been bring you the finest underground music for the last year. And we are 18 and up. We are also never, ever more than $7. You want Techno? DDR tonight, or come another time, you are always welcome. Blair Stereophonik/Killasbubz >From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" >To: >Subject: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:01:01 -0700 > >Week by week, day by day, I notice various events with good talent that >catch my eye. But as more time passes, I try not to even bother, because >its almost a given that its 21+. > >Organic, Phuturo, Come-Unity, Le Freak, DeLuxe, Recycle, Release, Spundae, >Nikita, Scuba, 12 Monkeys, Usual, Voodoo Lounge, Velvet Shop, etc. All of >which I have had, or still have, interest in, and can't attend. Anywhere I >can find good house/techno/dnb for the 18+ (ie: Trevor Rockliffe, DJ Dan, >Ian Pooley, Misstress Barbara, Stacey Pullen, Gene Farris, Junior Sanchez, >Roger Sanchez, Angel Alanis, DJ Sneak, Terry Mullan, Doc Martin, Derrick >Carter, Jeno, Tony, Mark Farina, Andy C, Ed Rush, Bad Company, Masters at >Work, Dj Pierre, Richie Hawtin, Billy Nasty, Kosheen, John Aquaviva, >Onionz, >just to name a few)??? > > > >Can we have some good house/techno/dnb clubs for the 18 n up? > > > > > >///brianTHOMAS/// >///technoREPUBLIC.net/// _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68487-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 22:28:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20654 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 22:28:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20643 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 22:28:27 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4CD3A0.17F98F76@iamthedj.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:30:56 -0700 From: Amber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? ...Sure, Brain. But where are we going to find rubber pants in our size?... >:)amber innocentchild wrote: > > yeah... uh huh and whom did you constantly hear those from again?? > > Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? > > Gee Brain I think so - but me and Pippi Longstocking... i mean what would > the children look like? > > =D > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Becca Plevin" > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? > > > > > Damn it- you stole my favorite P&B line. ::grin:: Here's the next best: > "Gee Brain, I think so- but burlap does chafe me so!" > > > > Becca > > > > > > >From: "innocentchild" > > >To: > > >Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? > > >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:58:49 -0700 > > > > > >Gee Brain I think so - but where are we going to find a rubber chicken > and profalactics at this time of night? > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -- Amber .|. http://www.iamthedj.com .|. You hate Amber. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68488-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 22:43:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34305 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 22:42:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34295 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 22:42:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:42:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 22:42:29.0873 (UTC) FILETIME=[C43CAE10:01C10A5A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? i keep seeing her name pop up quite a bit and was just wondering if anyone had any viewpoints and opinions on her style?...seeing a dj name this much intrigues me as to what kind of sound she's got...is she good? thanks =) little matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68489-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 22:43:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36215 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 22:43:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36196 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 22:43:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:43:40 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B4CD69C.6C4A653B@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ANTHEM - Thursday 18+ SF (bsp) [Complimentary Admission before 9:30pm with this e-mail] A~N~T~H~E~M This Thursday July 12th!!! Hard-House & Big-Beat Breaks with: Anthem Residents: DJ Madame Mercury, DJ Spinner & Kid Hype Special Guests: DJ SpyHunter (Hawaii) & DJ Koris (Subvision, Switzerland) The SubLevel aka Maritime Underground 375 1st St. @ Harrison St. San Francisco 18+ with valid ID 9pm – 2am. $5 Before 10pm / $10 After. VIP 21+ FUBAR Hosted By The luscious ladies of Feel Good :)~~ Anthem Club Line: 650-568-1338 Buzz-Line: 650-569-3300 http://www.globalparty.com Keep it Real Good With Feel Good --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68490-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 22:45:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40429 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 22:45:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40414 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 22:45:06 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <01e401c10a5a$f3807120$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "sfraves" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:43:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E1_01C10A20.46BCE3E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The Dj list... ------=_NextPart_000_01E1_01C10A20.46BCE3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone ever gone to=20 www.thedjlist.com it is probably the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen... incredibly innaccurate.. but its kinda phunny to see wut djs are ranked.. and who probably shouldnt be ranked that high... hahaha L8 ------=_NextPart_000_01E1_01C10A20.46BCE3E0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-68491-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 22:51:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48890 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 22:51:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48865 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 22:51:49 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:51:28 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.c932fd7.287e3270_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Tonight @ the LimeLight 7pm-2am 18+ --part1_f8.c932fd7.287e3270_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Wednesdays @ the LimeLight date: Wednesday, JULY 11 .2001 > Main Room: Tech House / Progressive House KAIZEN London, UK (Club Astoria / 12 Inch Monkeys / Orgy) This Artist/Producer has been laying out tracks since the early 90's, being in one of the most popular clubs in london gives him the edge. He will rock your House. GREG SANDLER SF (Harmonics Music / Area 51) JOEY MAZZOLA SF (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) RON "DJ RKTECH" REESER SF (ClockWork Eventz / Radio Active Dj's) Second Level: NRG / Trance / Breaks GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / House / Club Favorites JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy/ KSJS 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. info: BRAINCHILD ENTERTAINMENT www.brainchildentertainment.com info: 1-800-561-1800 VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! 18+ w/id --part1_f8.c932fd7.287e3270_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68492-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 22:54:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52488 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 22:54:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52478 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 22:54:35 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4CD9ED.68A4FAA2@iamthedj.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:57:49 -0700 From: Amber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: E S M O CC: sfraves References: <01e401c10a5a$f3807120$1e02fea9@djesmo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Dj list... I'm glad you wrote this. "thedjlist" also cracks me up. Web-based voting schemes (espeically those involving registration--which almost all do) are all totally innacurate. And the ones who "shouldn't be ranked that high" just promoted themselves (or, even worse, banner added) to that spot. Bleh. Silly silly. Anyway, what's with this ranking bull***? Just DJ, and dance! >:)Amber E S M O wrote: > > Has anyone > ever gone to > www.thedjlist.com > it is probably the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen... > incredibly innaccurate.. > but its kinda phunny to see wut djs are ranked.. > and who probably shouldnt be ranked that high... > hahaha > L8 -- Amber .|. http://www.iamthedj.com .|. You hate Amber. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68493-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 23:02:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59498 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 23:02:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59488 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 23:02:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Plastic Nuclear Ferret To: "that ravin' mailin' list" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [[BSP]] DNA Lounge: GRAND RE-OPENING 7/13/01!!! `-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-. `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=, '=/ `=, /==/ /==/ /==/ /==/ /==/ /= ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,- ,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' This FRIDAY, JULY 13th is... :: THE GRAND RE-OPENING OF THE DNA LOUNGE :: The DNA LOUNGE is re-modeled, re-permitted, and re-opening this FRIDAY. 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Separate audio and video feeds! http://www.dnalounge.com/audio http://www.dnalounge.com/cam DNA LOUNGE . http://www.dnalounge.com . 415.626.1409 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68494-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 23:02:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60660 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 23:02:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60589 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 23:02:14 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010711181513.59524.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010711181513.59524.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:01:24 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] my opinion about the mocking nrr People who mock, know how to mock, it's an art; used in parody, helps invigorate satire. but lets hear it for those "first handers" out there...Woo Hoo!...beats those disgusting "second handers" an day of the freakin week... At 11:15 AM -0700 7/11/01, Geri Dahl wrote: >people who mock don't know how to do anything, and >they are boring to talk about and to consider and to >do anything with, and when they are adults, i am >completely grossed out. :) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -- -blindspot ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas, Grass or Ass, Nobody Rides the PooPooChooChoo for Free! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68495-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 23:16:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75881 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 23:16:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75826 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 23:16:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: trance fiend cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? she plays '96 Homebase breaks. http://www.madamemercury.com/ -mike. On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, trance fiend wrote: >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:42:29 -0700 >From: trance fiend >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? > >i keep seeing her name pop up quite a bit and was just wondering if anyone >had any viewpoints and opinions on her style?...seeing a dj name this much >intrigues me as to what kind of sound she's got...is she good? > >thanks =) > >little matt >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68496-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 23:21:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81393 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 23:21:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81367 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 23:21:16 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: Amber@technohead.co.uk, sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.26] Message-Id: <20010711232111.F38F0274E@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eminem.. and other dumb crap LOLOLOLOLOLOLmao......Hello 2Day!! So true Amber & goodness, hella funny the way U put it!!! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68497-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 23:24:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87307 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 23:24:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87297 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 23:24:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.214.121.18] From: "Solmatic Records" To: norcalraver@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:24:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 23:24:04.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[934F7200:01C10A60] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? Sherry is all heart , She is a dedicated ,hard working dj in our scene, She spins breaks,old school and new. She recently put out a cd on StreetBeat Records titled Alive . She also started a small label with her 1st release featuring herself and dj Spinner (another break beat junkie) Be on the look out for some break beat records on Mad Wax Records ! Much love, and best of luck to Liquid Mercury - >From: "trance fiend" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:42:29 -0700 > >i keep seeing her name pop up quite a bit and was just wondering if anyone >had any viewpoints and opinions on her style?...seeing a dj name this much >intrigues me as to what kind of sound she's got...is she good? > >thanks =) > >little matt >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68498-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 23:44:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3406 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 23:44:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3388 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 23:44:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711234411.92841.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tera Ball To: Amber@technohead.co.uk, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <8172629.994879398185.JavaMail.root@smtp.backend.another.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1176352410-994895051=:90982" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eminem.. and other dumb crap --0-1176352410-994895051=:90982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Exactly!! Since when was Cyberfest like a real "rave" any way? I mean it has always been more like a concert with rides and DJ's. Come on, they promote in grocery stores! What can you really expect!? Who cares! Eminem is dope and I can't wait! Tera Amber@technohead.co.uk wrote: I don't get what everyones problem is with Eminem, D12, Coolworld, Cyberfest and everything else!!! If you don't like it, Don't go. It's fairly simple. If you still want to go to Cyberfest, but can't stand Eminem... don't go and see him, there are probably a billion other rooms and/or sections you can hang out in or around. As for the "ghetto" factor - Who the hell cares! People are poeple, If you can't learn to get along with others then what are you doing going to raves, or let alone even stepping foot out your front door. Not everyone who listens to that style of music is a "thug" or "ghetto". I thought most everyone here was past third grade, but apparently I was wrong again. This list, and the people on it never cease to amaze me. -Amber ***I'm holding back for something better than this. I'm holding on to nothing and I'm fine.*** ----- Be passionate about your email Just click here: http://another.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1176352410-994895051=:90982-- From sfraves-return-68499-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 23:47:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6321 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 23:47:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6309 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 23:47:16 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <024d01c10a63$a27c9c00$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "Mike Migurski" , "trance fiend" Cc: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:45:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? wut are 96 homebase breaks???? is that a new style of musik? haha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "trance fiend" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? > she plays '96 Homebase breaks. > > http://www.madamemercury.com/ > > -mike. > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, trance fiend wrote: > > >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:42:29 -0700 > >From: trance fiend > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? > > > >i keep seeing her name pop up quite a bit and was just wondering if anyone > >had any viewpoints and opinions on her style?...seeing a dj name this much > >intrigues me as to what kind of sound she's got...is she good? > > > >thanks =) > > > >little matt > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68500-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 23:50:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10081 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 23:50:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10071 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 23:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <029501c10a64$c0adaf60$3702000a@netcorps.com> From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: "E S M O" , "Mike Migurski" , "trance fiend" Cc: References: <024d01c10a63$a27c9c00$1e02fea9@djesmo> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:53:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? are you telling me it isnt 96' homebase breaks? I love sherry, not her music too much . But I think thats a very fitting description of what she plays. - jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: "E S M O" To: "Mike Migurski" ; "trance fiend" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? > wut are 96 homebase breaks???? > is that a new style of musik? > haha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Migurski" > To: "trance fiend" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? > > > > she plays '96 Homebase breaks. > > > > http://www.madamemercury.com/ > > > > -mike. > > > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, trance fiend wrote: > > > > >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:42:29 -0700 > > >From: trance fiend > > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? > > > > > >i keep seeing her name pop up quite a bit and was just wondering if > anyone > > >had any viewpoints and opinions on her style?...seeing a dj name this > much > > >intrigues me as to what kind of sound she's got...is she good? > > > > > >thanks =) > > > > > >little matt > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68501-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 23:53:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13847 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 23:53:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13830 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 23:53:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.114.71] From: "Brandon @ Invibe" To: norcalraver@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:52:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 23:52:42.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[930043C0:01C10A64] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? not only does mad merc got skills on the tables, homegirl gets down b-girl style on the dance floor! and, as wierd as this may sound, i just noticed during her set at Invasion...that she has really nice hands. -brandon >From: "trance fiend" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:42:29 -0700 > >i keep seeing her name pop up quite a bit and was just wondering if anyone >had any viewpoints and opinions on her style?...seeing a dj name this much >intrigues me as to what kind of sound she's got...is she good? > >thanks =) > >little matt >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68502-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 11 23:56:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17851 invoked by uid 1104); 11 Jul 2001 23:56:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17841 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 23:56:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:53:48 -0700 From: IntenSmile To: SF Raves Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_VvEbXYvP4xSay24CNM8bjw)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Uplifting track of the week --Boundary_(ID_VvEbXYvP4xSay24CNM8bjw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I just uploaded another uplifting track for your listening pleasure onto my website. Here is the link for those that are interested in listening: http://www.permagrinent.com/uplifting_tracks.htm Have a great week, Brian IntenSmile --Boundary_(ID_VvEbXYvP4xSay24CNM8bjw)-- From sfraves-return-68503-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 00:06:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25465 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 00:06:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25455 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 00:06:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.133.53.238] From: "DJ D" To: djd-announce@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:06:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 00:06:11.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[75827370:01C10A66] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Denise aka DJ D "The Orange Species" Now Available! bsp. Greetings! As some of you may know, I'm changing my name from DJ D to Denise. Why, you ask? Well, basically it's cuz there's already a DJ D in England... this guy's been around for years producing respectable house tracks. In any case, I lose! :P In the long run, though, I think that this name change is for the best. Be on the lookout for flyers that say 'Denise aka DJ D' for a few months to come. My new tape, "The Orange Species", is the first compilation that reflects this change in DJ name. And, I am happy to say that it has finally arrived! As of today, they are only available at Skills DJ Workshop in Berkeley, but I will be distributing them to all other record stores in the Bay Area within a week. This weekend I'll be giving out FREE copies at my shows! Where, you ask? Here's the lineup for the weekend: Thu, 7/12 - Ascension, located @ Blake's on Telegraph (betw. Durant & Channing, Berkeley). 18+, 21+ to drink. Costs almost nothing to get in, and is always a load of fun! Fri 7/13 - Candy Garden, from12:30-1:30... presented to you by BluGreen Prod. These guys always throw a great party, make it if you can! Sat 7/14 - Happy Kids 4-Year Anniversary party: The Legend Continues... Has it been 4 years already? This will be an event you won't want to miss! All info on these shows as well as other cool stuff can be found, as always, on my web site, http://www.dj-d.com. I will be building a new web site soon, the domain name of this is www.djdenise.com. (Right now it just sends you over to dj-d.com). Alright, then! I'll see you this weekend! Much Love, Denise (aka DJ D) :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68504-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 00:07:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27052 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 00:07:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27042 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 00:07:29 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <004501c10a64$e5ce6280$271be9d1@kelly> From: "kryptyk" To: "sfraves" References: <01e401c10a5a$f3807120$1e02fea9@djesmo> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:55:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Dj list... ...is ranking even relevant? ----- Original Message ----- From: "E S M O" To: "sfraves" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: [sfraves] The Dj list... Has anyone ever gone to www.thedjlist.com it is probably the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen... incredibly innaccurate.. but its kinda phunny to see wut djs are ranked.. and who probably shouldnt be ranked that high... hahaha L8 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68505-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 00:32:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46339 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 00:32:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46329 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 00:32:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:32:21 -0700 Message-Id: <200107120032.RAA29811@mail15.bigmailbox.com> X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [63.201.57.44] From: "*madhvi *" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_994897942-29514-0" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Environmental Updates ------------=_994897942-29514-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary I know this is kinda long, but I honestly feel that we as a intentional and aware community need to raise our eco-consciousness as well. Saving the environment should be right up there on your agenda w/ saving our scene/niteclubs etc. Pls. take action people, any way you can. And i hope many of you got Leslie Ayres' post about the SFLNC and sent faxes and e-mails in support. -Madhvi >____________________________________________________________________ > >DENlines Issue #43 >Defend Environment Network (DEN) > >1. HOUSE VICTORIES: Endangered Species Act is spared >2. TROUBLE AHEAD: White House unleashing PR blitz for energy plan >3. SHELL GAME: President's budget eliminates important programs >4. SAVING GRIZZLIES: Speak out for restoring bears to Bitterroot >5. SLAUGHTER ALLEY: Panthers dying at record rate on highways >6. SPECIAL INTERNET OFFER: Save wildlife through EarthLink! >7. WHALE WATCH: Navy suspected in two deaths >____________________________________________________________________ > > >1. HOUSE VICTORIES: Endangered Species Act is spared > >With Republicans breaking ranks with the White House, the U.S. House >has rebuffed the Bush administration on a number of environmental >fronts over the past week -- voting to ban oil and gas drilling in >the Great Lakes and in national monuments, to prevent proposed oil >and gas leasing off the Florida coast, and to preserve protections >against mining disasters on public lands. The House also rejected >an attempt to gut citizen enforcement of the Endangered Species Act. >The Bush administration wanted to give Interior Secretary Norton the >sole discretion to decide which animals and plants to protect under >that law. "We are deeply gratified that the House kept citizens in >the picture on listing endangered species," Defenders of Wildlife >President Rodger Schlickeisen said. "The administration proposed to >throw the fate of species at risk on the tender mercies of Secretary >Norton, who has argued that the entire Endangered Species Act is >unconstitutional. House passage of this bill, along with these >amendments that repudiate a whole laundry list of President Bush's >proposals, show just how extreme his anti-environmental agenda >really is." > >The Senate Appropriations Committee snubbed the White House again >yesterday, refusing to fund a study of oil drilling in the Arctic >National Wildlife Refuge or to cripple the Endangered Species Act. > > >2. TROUBLE AHEAD: White House unleashing PR blitz for energy plan > >The Bush administration is plotting an all-out public-relations >blitz to try to sell the president's "drill-and-burn" energy plan. >Polls show most Americans don't like the plan because it would >weaken environmental protections and it all but ignores energy >efficiency and new technologies. The White House's allies in >Congress are worried that the unpopular plan could hurt them in >next year's elections. House committees are preparing to consider >the plan after the Fourth of July, and insiders say the draft of >the legislation is ominous. Despite overwhelming public opposition, >it opens the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling. The >legislation also gives states the authority to allow for-profit >exploitation of our national lands, among other anti-environmental >provisions. It's clear that Big Oil hasn't given up on drilling in >the Arctic. Interior Secretary Norton has named Camden Toohey, the >director of the pro-oil development group Arctic Power, as her >special adviser on the issue. That's even though Arctic Power exists >solely to lobby for drilling in the refuge. Congressman Edward >Markey of Massachusetts criticized the appointment as "an ethical >oil spill." > >To speak out against drilling in the Arctic refuge, go to: >http://www.savearcticrefuge.org > > >3. SHELL GAME: President's budget eliminates important programs > >President Bush is claiming green credentials because his budget >fully funds the Land and Water Conservation Fund, which helps >federal agencies and states buy open space and build recreational >facilities. But Defenders of Wildlife pointed out that the Bush >budget does so only by cutting or eliminating other conservation >programs, including $100 million to protect wildlife. It amounts to >$2.7 billion in cuts over six years. "The Bush plan is all smoke >and mirrors, robbing Peter to pay Paul," Mary Beth Beetham, >Defenders director of legislative affairs, told the Washington Post. >"It puts aside money for the land and water fund, but only by >starving important programs." A GOP-controlled House subcommittee >already has refused to play the Bush shell game. > > >4. SAVING GRIZZLIES: Speak out for restoring bears to Bitterroot > >It's a grass-roots plan that's earned broad popular support -- even >the timber industry is for it. But Interior Secretary Gale Norton is >trying to stop the citizen-run initiative to bring grizzly bears >back to a vast swath of public land in the remote Bitterroot >Mountains of Idaho and Montana. Scientists see this project as >critical to the long-term survival of grizzlies in the American >West. Defenders of Wildlife President Schlickeisen said, "The fact >is, the Bitterroot is the last, best place for recovering grizzly >bears in the Lower 48 states. If we do not seize this opportunity, >the future of the grizzly is indeed uncertain." > >Help bring grizzlies back to the Bitterroots. To send an e-mail >urging Secretary Norton to allow this critical project to forward, >log on to http://www.denaction.org and go to Alert 97. > >The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is now accepting public >comments on the plan. The survival of grizzlies in the West could >depend on the number of wildlife supporters who make their voices >heard. > >For more information, go to: >http://www.defenders.org/wildlife/new/grizzlybear.html > > >5. SLAUGHTER ALLEY: Panthers dying at record rate on highways > >More than 1 million animals are killed on our highways every day, >and the problem is so bad in Florida that one notorious road has >been dubbed "Slaughter Alley." It's State Road 846 in the southwest >corner of the state. In all, six endangered Florida panthers -– >about 8 percent of the entire remaining population – have been >killed on highways so far this year. That's the worst death rate in >18 years. Two 10–month-old siblings were killed within hours of each >other. There are no fences or underpasses for panthers on Slaughter >Alley. Defenders of Wildlife is helping by providing highway warning >signs and handouts to be distributed to drivers at toll booths and >elsewhere. > >For more information on the dangers that highways pose to wildlife, >click here: http://www.defenders.org/habitat/highways > >You can help Defenders save panthers, jaguars, lynx, tigers and other >Big Cats. To learn how, go to: http://www.webapply.com/defenders-aeq9/ > > >6. SPECIAL INTERNET OFFER: Save wildlife through EarthLink! > >Tired of pop-up advertising? Worried about your online privacy? >Concerned about the reliability of your Internet service? Switch >to EarthLink today! You'll get a month's free service, a low >monthly rate, AND EarthLink will make a contribution to Defenders >of Wildlife on your behalf to help us save wildlife and habitat! >This contribution will be used to help keep the animals you cherish >out of harm's way from the special interests who would destroy them. >Sign up today to get unlimited Internet access through the Dial-up >Service or the DSL Service. You'll save yourself money and know >you're doing your part to safeguard wildlife for future generations. > >Go to http://cgi.earthlink.net/joinnow/dw/index.jhtml?RN=400063534 >for more information. EarthLink is the nation's second largest >internet service provider(ISP) as ranked by paying subscribers. > > >7. WHALE WATCH: Navy suspected in two deaths > >Scientists are questioning whether the deaths of two rare beaked >whales were caused by Navy tests of sonar equipment. The whales >beached at Vero Beach, Fla. An adult male was dead by the time >rescue teams arrived. And biologists had to euthanize a juvenile >male that was badly injured. For the last several years the Navy >has been moving ahead with plans to deploy a submarine-detection >sonar system that would blast the oceans with noise billions of >times more intense than that known to disturb whales. In this case, >the Navy didn't admit any sonar testing, but confirmed detonating >four 10,000-pound explosive charges to test the shock resistance of >a new guided missile destroyer. Go to: >http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/prot_res/PR2/Acoustics_Program/acoustics.html >for more information on the dangers of the Navy's sonar system. > > >EMAIL BAG > >"Quick note. Your e-mail alerts are excellent! Very easy to use. >I don't have the time to compose detailed letters to all the >different legislators. I am so glad that you have chosen this format >to help all animals. More power to you. Keep those alerts coming. >You have my support. Thanks for caring." – K.M. > >"Hi folks! I agree with G.B.'s e-mail that you certainly make it >fast and easy by the computerized system of sending my opinions and >comments regarding the saving of wildlife and conservation lands. >Time is very precious to many of us, and this system enables us to >get the job done. Many thanks for all the work you do for the >benefit of our precious earth and all who reside here. I am proud >to be a member of this organization." – D.D. > >"I love this newsletter. It is so much more immediate than a written >format and quicker to read through. I especially like how you >present an issue, and then show readers exactly how to sign a >petition or contribute easily on-line. That is a tactic that works. >When you already have our own senators and congress people for us >to e-mail to, that makes it so much easier to make our voices heard. >Good luck in all your worthy endeavors." – C.S. > >Thanks folks! Together we can make a difference – Editors > >__________________________________________________________________ > >To SUBSCRIBE to DENlines, visit Defenders' website at >http://www.defenders.org/den or send an e-mail to >den@defenders.org and put the word SUBSCRIBE in the >subject line, and your name and address in the text area. >__________________________________________________________________ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to denlines@defenders.org and >put the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line. >__________________________________________________________________ > >If your e-mail address is about to change, send an e-mail to >changeaddress@defenders.org and put only your new e-mail address >in the subject line. If you're already using your new address, >be sure to put your old address in the body (not the subject line) >of the email. >__________________________________________________________________ > >DENlines is a biweekly publication of Defenders of Wildlife, a >leading national conservation organization recognized as one of >the nation's most progressive advocates for wildlife and its >habitat and known for its effective leadership on saving >endangered species such as brown bears and gray wolves, Defenders >advocates new approaches to wildlife conservation that protect >species before they become endangered. Founded in 1947, Defenders >is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization with more than 430,000 >members and supporters. > > Defenders of Wildlife > 1101 14th Street, NW, Suite 1400 > Washington, DC 20005 > http://www.defenders.org > http://www.kidsplanet.org > Copyright (c) 2001 by Defenders of Wildlife ------------------------------------------------------------ Everything starts with an E. http://www.bluelight.nu/ ------------=_994897942-29514-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------------=_994897942-29514-0-- From sfraves-return-68506-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 00:33:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49135 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 00:33:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49125 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 00:33:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:33:02 -0700 Message-Id: <200107120033.RAA29895@mail15.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [63.201.57.44] From: "*madhvi *" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Stop the Repeal of California's Wildlife Protection Law >Reply-To: denlines@den.defenders.org > "Defenders of Wildlife" DEN Alert: Stop the Repeal of California's Wildlife Protection Law DENlines@defenders.org (DEN California Activist)Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:37:13 -0400 > >DEN Alert: >Stop the repeal of California's strongest wildlife protection law > >____________________________________________________________________ > >California is home to an amazing variety of creatures. The state's >wide diversity of habitats supports a range of animals from California >condors to sea otters, from blunt-nosed leopard lizards to big horn >sheep. These creatures are part of the web of living things that >makes California unique. And California protects this wildlife with >some of the strongest laws in the nation. > >But developers and the timber, oil and agribusiness industries are >working to repeal California's strongest wildlife protection law – >the Fully Protected Species statute. This law is crucial to the >survival and recovery of the 39 mammals, fish, birds, reptiles, and >amphibians on the Fully Protected Species list -- including the >southern sea otter, California condor, California least tern, golden >eagle, peregrine falcon, bighorn sheep, and salt marsh harvest mouse. > >WHAT YOU CAN DO: > >The state Senate Natural Resources Committee is considering two >bills (AB 985 and AB 1561) to repeal this important law. Send a free >fax through our DENAction site to your state senator TODAY and ask >him or her to vote against any legislation that would weaken >protection for Fully Protected Species. We encourage you to put the >sample letter below into your own words. Thanks for supporting >California's wildlife. > >Sample Letter: > >Re: OPPOSE AB 985/AB 1561 – Stop the Rollback of Fully Protected >Species Status > >Dear Senator: > >I am writing to ask you to oppose AB 985 and AB 1561, which seek to >repeal the Fully Protected Species statute, California's strongest >wildlife protection law. > >The Fully Protected Species statute prohibits the killing of a fully >protected species and the destruction of its habitat if this would >ultimately lead to its death or destruction – with no exceptions. >This is significantly greater protection than that afforded species >that are listed as endangered or threatened under the California >Endangered Species Act. > >Fully Protected Species status is crucial to the survival and >recovery of many species. I urge you to oppose any legislation that >would weaken protection for Fully Protected Species. > >Sincerely, >[YOUR NAME] > > >INSTRUCTIONS TO RESPOND VIA THE WEB: > >If you have access to the web, simply click on the link below which >will take you to the DEN Action Center web site: > > http://www.denaction.org > >==================================================================== >To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to denlines@defenders.org and put the >word UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line. >==================================================================== >To subscribe, visit Defenders' website at http://www.defenders.org/den >or send an e-mail to denlines@defenders.org and put the word SUBSCRIBE >in the subject line. >==================================================================== >If your e-mail address has changed, send an e-mail to >changeaddress@defenders.org and put your new e-mail address in the >subject line. Make sure you put nothing in the subject line other >than your new e-mail address. >==================================================================== >Defenders of Wildlife is a leading national conservation organization >recognized as one of the nation's most progressive advocates for >wildlife and its habitat and known for its effective leadership on >saving endangered species such as brown bears and gray wolves, Defenders >advocates new approaches to wildlife conservation that protect species >before they become endangered. Founded in 1947, Defenders is a nonprofit >501(c)(3)organization with more than 430,000 members and supporters. > > Defenders of Wildlife > 1101 14th Street, NW, Suite 1400 > Washington, DC 20005 > http://www.defenders.org > http://www.kidsplanet.org ------------------------------------------------------------ Everything starts with an E. http://www.bluelight.nu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68507-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 01:07:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79169 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 01:07:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79158 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 01:07:38 -0000 Message-ID: <004901c10a6f$44411c90$63f05140@jinx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:09:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C10A34.978816A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C10A34.978816A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. = Within in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some = in which have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and = those we just met. This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out = their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self = through out the pleasure of dance. This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your = place at this=20 Re-Union No Sports attire=20 $20.00 advanced tickets Virgin Indoor out door venue 100% fully permitted. 9:00pm till 8:00am Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy = juices,=20 And Aliens. Area 1 Circle in Unity: Richard Summerhayes Jazz-e uvt new resident=20 Jim Hopkins -uvt=20 Eric Michelle-uvt=20 Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com Jesse Gonzalez- krate records=20 Melanie-love sf=20 Introducing: Justin Kauai Area 2 Circle of love: Keith Edwards- Solid groves=20 Allen Octavo-FGE=20 Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk=20 Lsdj=20 Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective Psykoral - Raven=20 Tyme -Raven Celsius - Projekt 9 Eck=F6 - UVT, core:NRG=20 Area 3 Garden of Freedom: Pete Nice W/=20 Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW KAOS=20 DRSK TICAL=20 Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C10A34.978816A0-- From sfraves-return-68508-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 01:18:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87887 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 01:18:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87874 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 01:18:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [170.20.137.144] From: "Alknod !" To: lesleymo@sco.COM, leslie.ayres@excite.com, asr@topica.com, mac303@sonic.net, mook@hardnrg.com, kk@sei.com, happykidmarty@hotmail.com, mattd564@yahoo.com, ninja@c4.com, NinjaX213@aol.com, Michael.Dong.B@bayer.com, TrboZGoBot@aol.com, fusion19@fusion19.com, innov8_01@yahoo.com, teknodiva@aol.com, ras-sol@usa.net, snrgy@lsd25.net, sean@ezboard.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, NovaProductions@aol.com, stefango@yahoo.com, steph@hyperreal.org, snshyne@limpbizkit.com, terry@saturn5.com, mkdong@pacbell.net, MoonChyld1@aol.com, miniworks@thoughtpolice.com, ynot@bigassweb.com, lighthaus@earthlink.net, waynerad@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:17:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_7884_2d8e_2828" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 01:17:41.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[7240D170:01C10A70] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Ascension featuring Alex v. Macadio! ------=_NextPart_000_7884_2d8e_2828 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_7884_2d8e_2828 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:58:50 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f76.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.76]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v79.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYG59-0709165840; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:58:40 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:58:39 -0700 Received: from 170.20.137.144 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:58:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [170.20.137.144] From: "Alknod !" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: BSP: Ascention this Thursday! two 2X4 's! Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:58:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 20:58:39.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE109280:01C108B9] X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Well, 2 sets of 2 djs this thursday night. And my first ever 2X4 with Macadio should be interesting enough. In fact, it will be my first 2X4 ever, so it should provide for an interresting, slaming, head bangin, techno popin,(add your own verb here) evening! This week: 9-11 Alex Van Dune and Macadio 2x4 11-12:15 FuckWork 12:15-close DJ D and Ice-9 2x4 Ascention is in the basement of Blakes in Berkeley off of Telegraph. It's an 18 n up event, bring your ass as you will be shaking it all night long! It's the prefect way to bring in Friday. Alex Van Dune _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_7884_2d8e_2828 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------=_NextPart_000_7884_2d8e_2828-- From sfraves-return-68509-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 01:25:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91153 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 01:25:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91143 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 01:25:16 -0000 X-envelope-info: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010711183051.032fdbb0@k9.dv8.org> X-Sender: bfeldman@k9.dv8.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:32:05 -0700 To: "innocentchild" From: Ben Feldman Cc: "Becca Plevin" , In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Pinky - Are you pondering what I'm pondering? I think so Brain, but three round meals wouldn't go down as difficult. Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68510-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 01:33:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96533 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 01:33:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96522 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 01:33:32 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:44:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: DRAKA THE DRAGON FUNDRAISER A worthy BM party.... >DRAKA THE DRAGON FUNDRAISER > > Thursday, July 12th > > 8:30pm - 6am > > $15 Presale, $20 Door, $40 VIP > > contact: kingjupiter@webtv.net > > http://www.drakathedragon.org > > Club Draka @ Ten15 Folsom > 1015 Folsom - Corner of 6th St. & Folsom > SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94010 > > > http://www.urbanevents.com/index.cfm?page=events_action_2&events_ID=7760&ve > > Club Draka @ Ten15 Folsom > Corner of 6th St. & Folsom > > > We have taken over 1015 folsom and have turned it into "CLUB > DRAKA"!! > > > If you want to feel the power of the dragon be there on July 12th > when we unleash the awesome power of the dragon crew. > > We are rebuiding the dragon for all to enjoy on the playa...help us > make this a reality! > >  Live music by Rosin Covin and others >  Plus DJs >  The mythic adventure of the DRAKA IGNEUS PATRONI >  Also Featuring some of the Bay Areas finest Fire Performers! > > Buy tix online! > > > http://www.urbanevents.com/index.cfm?page=events_action_2&events_ID=7760&ven dor_id=3955 > > > A Project designed and created by Lisa Nigro & funded by Burning > Man > for the 2000 Burningman Festival, Black Rock Desert, Nevada. > > Draka Wants You! Draka the Dragon is currently being resurrected > for > Burning Man 2001, August 27 - September 3. She is scheduled to lead > the future fleet of Black Rock City's New Department of Public > Transportation which is now being coordinated by Thomas Sepe. "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68511-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 02:04:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18439 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 02:04:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18429 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 02:04:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [169.237.214.145] From: "Cheese Sandwich" To: apollo@speakeasy.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:04:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 02:04:09.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[F060F7F0:01C10A76] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Got extra tix 4 DRAKA the DRAGON? hey has any one got an extra presale ticket to the DRAKA? if so i want to buy it off you, trying to save money Thanks CS From: "Apollo" Reply-To: To: Subject: [sfraves] BSP: DRAKA THE DRAGON FUNDRAISER Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:44:44 -0700 A worthy BM party.... >DRAKA THE DRAGON FUNDRAISER > > Thursday, July 12th > > 8:30pm - 6am > > $15 Presale, $20 Door, $40 VIP > > contact: kingjupiter@webtv.net > > http://www.drakathedragon.org > > Club Draka @ Ten15 Folsom > 1015 Folsom - Corner of 6th St. & Folsom > SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94010 > > > http://www.urbanevents.com/index.cfm?page=events_action_2&events_ID=7760&ve > > Club Draka @ Ten15 Folsom > Corner of 6th St. & Folsom > > > We have taken over 1015 folsom and have turned it into "CLUB > DRAKA"!! > > > If you want to feel the power of the dragon be there on July 12th > when we unleash the awesome power of the dragon crew. > > We are rebuiding the dragon for all to enjoy on the playa...help us > make this a reality! > >  Live music by Rosin Covin and others >  Plus DJs >  The mythic adventure of the DRAKA IGNEUS PATRONI >  Also Featuring some of the Bay Areas finest Fire Performers! > > Buy tix online! > > > http://www.urbanevents.com/index.cfm?page=events_action_2&events_ID=7760&ven dor_id=3955 > > > A Project designed and created by Lisa Nigro & funded by Burning > Man > for the 2000 Burningman Festival, Black Rock Desert, Nevada. > > Draka Wants You! Draka the Dragon is currently being resurrected > for > Burning Man 2001, August 27 - September 3. She is scheduled to lead > the future fleet of Black Rock City's New Department of Public > Transportation which is now being coordinated by Thomas Sepe. "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68512-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 03:01:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56804 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 03:01:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56794 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 03:01:58 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4D127E.DC129F9D@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:59:11 -0700 From: Big Appetite X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [BSP] Clean Plate Club - Sat.July.21 - Chris Jackson vs AndyW Techno is not a fad. It is not going to die. Ever. It will not come and go with the changings of hairstyles, operating systems, and new flavors of Doritos. Techno is raw and pure electronic rhythm - the timeless heartbeat of the universe channelled through plastic discs and vibrating boxes. As many of us have felt so personally, techno is most certainly a force of good, a force filled with energy and emotion that ignites our minds and feeds our souls. So be nice to techno, and it just might be very, very nice to you. Techno in San Francisco is alive and kickin'. Let's gather round the tables and kick it again tonight. ======================================= big appetite presents.... CLEAN PLATE CLUB Saturday, July 21st (& every 3rd Saturday) An Sibin 1176 Sutter @ Polk 21+ w/ ID 9pm - 2am $7 (free til 9:30) With succulent guest DJs: ========= Chris Jackson vs. AndyW =========== resource records / viberation 12:00-2:00 (the bay's favorite techno thumpers keepin' it deep and clean) ============= Chad Mindrive ================ erotishock / clean plate club 10:30-12:00 (deep tech-house maestro blowin' your mind every time) ============ Protolab - LIVE PA ============== exact-science / cybrid / aelectro 9:00-10:30 (spicy laptop appetizers from a 10yr production veteran) ********************************************** reply to sender for info or to subscribe to e-flyer w/ jpgs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68513-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 03:08:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60167 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 03:08:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60157 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 03:08:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: E S M O cc: trance fiend , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <024d01c10a63$a27c9c00$1e02fea9@djesmo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? Naw, it's an *old* style of music. ;) Actually, I haven't heard her play much since she quit working at my company while back, but that's what I always associated her music with - no idea if the typical breaks style has changed much since then. -mike. On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, E S M O wrote: >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:45:58 -0700 >From: E S M O >To: Mike Migurski , > trance fiend >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? > >wut are 96 homebase breaks???? >is that a new style of musik? >haha > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Migurski" >To: "trance fiend" >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:15 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? > > >> she plays '96 Homebase breaks. >> >> http://www.madamemercury.com/ >> >> -mike. >> >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, trance fiend wrote: >> >> >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:42:29 -0700 >> >From: trance fiend >> >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> >Subject: [sfraves] info on madame mercury? >> > >> >i keep seeing her name pop up quite a bit and was just wondering if >anyone >> >had any viewpoints and opinions on her style?...seeing a dj name this >much >> >intrigues me as to what kind of sound she's got...is she good? >> > >> >thanks =) >> > >> >little matt >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org >> tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski >> http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68514-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 03:52:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86450 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 03:52:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86438 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 03:52:13 -0000 Message-ID: <02d401c10a85$b84767a0$6f95d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: , , Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:49:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02D1_01C10A4B.09D0FA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] FAMILIAR FACES?????????? ------=_NextPart_000_02D1_01C10A4B.09D0FA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CAN NEONE HELP ME OUT ON THIS? IV HEARD THIS SONG AT SKILLS FREE PARTY = AND IMAGINE IM NOT SURE WHATS ITS CALLED IT GOES "THE FAMILIAR = FACES...............". YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I LOVE THAT SONG . = TRIED SEARCHING UNDER "FAMILIAR FACES" BUT NOTHING COMES UP ------=_NextPart_000_02D1_01C10A4B.09D0FA40-- From sfraves-return-68515-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 04:20:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7058 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 04:20:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7041 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 04:20:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: E S M O cc: sfraves In-Reply-To: <01e401c10a5a$f3807120$1e02fea9@djesmo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Dj list... You're just jealous cause I'm the 2696th ranked DJ in the world... even though half those votes are probably misguided Andrew Weatherall (badass UK guy from Sabres of Paradise & 2 Lone Swordsmen fame) votes. I just love the fact that I've heard some of the top ten trainwreck through sleepy top ten sets that could have been played by most of the locals we have here, and some of them don't even do the mixing on their own mix cds... or that 1284th ranked Ben Long of UK's SpaceDjz could wear any of the top ten's ass as a hat without breaking a sweat. Or that Godfather is ranked at 3760th... or Assault at 1802. The recommended listening section is nice too. Based on my name, here's the other artists you'd like: If you like ANDY W, you may also like these djs: THE SUNSHINE KID ROBERT FEELGOOD JOHN HOWARD FRESH TIESTO Um, no. Those names also tend to come up with a lot of other names. The biggest crime on line? Dieselboy = 9 Bailey (metalheadsUk) = 3760 Something is really jacked about this site. I also couldn't even vote for anybody, cuz it gives me a script error when I try to create an account. WONKY! andyw On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, E S M O wrote: -&e->Has anyone -&e->ever gone to -&e->www.thedjlist.com -&e->it is probably the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen... -&e->incredibly innaccurate.. -&e->but its kinda phunny to see wut djs are ranked.. -&e->and who probably shouldnt be ranked that high... -&e->hahaha -&e->L8 -&e-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68516-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 05:30:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61670 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 05:30:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61658 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 05:30:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.121.90] From: "craig newman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:29:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 05:29:32.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[A15E32E0:01C10A93] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ??? AREA51- atten: Greg Hey, I was just wondering if there was going to be any area51 t-shirts/sweatshirts, or something that will be abailable for purchase at the party. I hope, so I will be able to remember, that I was part of the crowd, at what I know will be an of the hook party? Thank, Happee_1 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68517-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 05:57:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73806 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 05:57:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73795 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 05:57:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.7.180] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:57:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 05:57:09.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D0D7D20:01C10A97] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS Hey everyone, Anyone going to FOCUS this friday night? The line-up looks awesome: Morgan, Telene, Michael Lui, Tyme, Psykoral...just to name a few...and it's only 15 bucks! I don't know about you, but this'll be the first time in a loooonnnng time I've paid less than 20 dollars for a party. So if you're goin, holla at me...I'd love to see more faces behind the email addresses. Chao. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68518-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 06:05:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77506 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 06:05:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77496 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 06:05:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:06:26 -0700 From: Evan To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jHhf4G6AWEP0DcWURaSZbg)" User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Office/Studio space available in Lower Haight, SF --Boundary_(ID_jHhf4G6AWEP0DcWURaSZbg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi-- There are 2-3 office/studio spaces available for rent in the Lower Haight, San Francisco. 2 rooms are about 100-150 sq ft each and the other is about 200-250 sq ft. Preferred uses include (but are certainly not limited to) graphic or web design. This is a good opportunity to be in an awesome neighborhood. Serious inquiries only please email djflux@compoundrecords.com, availability would be August 1. Thanks, Evan --Boundary_(ID_jHhf4G6AWEP0DcWURaSZbg)-- From sfraves-return-68519-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 06:12:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80361 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 06:12:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80351 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 06:12:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4D4059.5DEEC434@home.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:14:51 -0700 From: "lyds@home.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eck=F6?= CC: sf , f8 References: <004901c10a6f$44411c90$63f05140@jinx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! Peace, Lydia Eckö wrote: > The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. > Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and those we just met. > This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self through out the pleasure of dance. > > This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your place at this > Re-Union > No Sports attire > $20.00 advanced tickets > Virgin Indoor out door venue > 100% fully permitted. > 9:00pm till 8:00am > Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy juices, > And Aliens. > > Area 1 Circle in Unity: > Richard Summerhayes > Jazz-e uvt new resident > Jim Hopkins -uvt > Eric Michelle-uvt > Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > Melanie-love sf > Introducing: Justin Kauai > > Area 2 Circle of love: > Keith Edwards- Solid groves > Allen Octavo-FGE > Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > Lsdj > Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > Psykoral - Raven > Tyme -Raven > Celsius - Projekt 9 > Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > > Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > Pete Nice W/ > Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > KAOS > DRSK > TICAL > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68520-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 06:21:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88357 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 06:21:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88335 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 06:21:41 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Buzz" To: , Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:20:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RE: [Raven] Roll Call: FOCUS I'm definitely going, picking my tickets up tomorrow and taking my friend raving for the first time!!! Look for the white guy with curly hair (trust me) taking pictures, and a guy dressed up punk style!! It would be cool if we could all meet up somewhere or just look out for each other at least, I'm always looking for more people to meet, I hate it when I read the posts of parties and realize how many listees there were attending! See you all at F o C u S - Buzz -----Original Message----- From: RAVIN RIZ [mailto:ravin_riz@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:57 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org; ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Raven] Roll Call: FOCUS Hey everyone, Anyone going to FOCUS this friday night? The line-up looks awesome: Morgan, Telene, Michael Lui, Tyme, Psykoral...just to name a few...and it's only 15 bucks! I don't know about you, but this'll be the first time in a loooonnnng time I've paid less than 20 dollars for a party. So if you're goin, holla at me...I'd love to see more faces behind the email addresses. Chao. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com This mailing list gets multipule e-mails a day. A digest (grouped e-mail) and/or a web based version (no e-mail, view messages on the web) of the mailing list is availble by changing your settings at: http://www.yahoogroups.com/mygroups/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ravenproductions-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68521-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 06:58:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99457 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 06:58:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99447 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 06:58:29 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:58:19 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sf Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothe= s that ravers wear. hmmmm. makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. leslie ---------- Lydia wrote: >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! > >Peace, >Lydia > > >Eck=F6 wrote: > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Withi= n >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which= >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and= >those we just met. >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >through out the pleasure of dance. >> >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your >place at this >> Re-Union >> No Sports attire >> $20.00 advanced tickets >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >> 100% fully permitted. >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy juice= s, >> And Aliens. >> >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >> Richard Summerhayes >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >> Eric Michelle-uvt >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >> Melanie-love sf >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >> >> Area 2 Circle of love: >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >> Allen Octavo-FGE >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >> Lsdj >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >> Psykoral - Raven >> Tyme -Raven >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >> Eck=F6 - UVT, core:NRG >> >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >> Pete Nice W/ >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >> KAOS >> DRSK >> TICAL >> Nick >> http://www.core-nrg.net >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68522-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 07:07:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5606 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 07:07:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5596 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 07:07:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712070735.11790.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:07:35 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: NRR: Final Fantasy Review But that's exactly it....it LOOKED great. The movie doesn't hold up at all to what it could have been. I'm not a Final Fantasy fanatic, but I think when you name the movie that it should have SOMETHING to do with the games. It was good on it's own merits, but couldn't it have been called THE PHANTOM or something:) Just my .2cents Sascha PS: There wasn't even a Chocobo...sniff:) Xtort: http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net Xtort Database: 916.565.6677 Xtort Contact: xtortproductions@yahoo.com --- Teresa Groth wrote: > The movie was the best rendered scences EVER!!! > There are many points where > you are like "WHOA?! HOW could that not be real!" > they concentrated so hard > on detail! Everythign is fucking awsome. The story > line is great, and, oh, > I could go on for days I saw the sneak peak on > monday, and I think I'm going > to go again tonight. I almost peed my pants!! I saw > 20 minutes of the film > back in april (I think april) when I went to E3, and > I"ve been salivating > ever since.... > > Out of four stars, I give it a katrillion and a half > > Tre > > >From: "B to the P" > >To: sachaven@yahoo.com, sacraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: NRR: Final Fantasy Review > >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:38:34 -0600 > > > >yea.... i read that the chick's hair looks real > because of a new program > >they invented for this project. > > > >From the trailers I saw, it looks REAL... not > cheesey like most CGI flicks. > > > >B > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68523-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 07:12:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10173 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 07:12:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10163 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 07:12:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.238] From: "innocentchild" To: "leslie ayres" , "sf" References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:11:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 07:12:06.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5472F20:01C10AA1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Considering that this came from the king of contradictions it's not too surprising. That email where someone compiled everything that he and kenneth said about the phat cow party into one highly contradictive email was great. That and the time where nick was making fun of someone's 17yo gf when his own gf at the time was <18. I always look forward to posts from UVT/CoreNRG anything. Entertainment at it's best which surpasses any soap opera/teen drama I've ever seen! I guess I'll have to bust out the docker khaki's and the .com bowling shirt (yeah I really do have one from a prior .com) so I can fit in. Since when is UVT *under ground* That was rather amusing ----- Original Message ----- From: "leslie ayres" To: "sf" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothes that ravers wear. hmmmm. makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. leslie ---------- Lydia wrote: >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! > >Peace, >Lydia > > >Eckö wrote: > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and >those we just met. >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >through out the pleasure of dance. >> >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your >place at this >> Re-Union >> No Sports attire >> $20.00 advanced tickets >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >> 100% fully permitted. >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy juices, >> And Aliens. >> >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >> Richard Summerhayes >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >> Eric Michelle-uvt >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >> Melanie-love sf >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >> >> Area 2 Circle of love: >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >> Allen Octavo-FGE >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >> Lsdj >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >> Psykoral - Raven >> Tyme -Raven >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG >> >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >> Pete Nice W/ >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >> KAOS >> DRSK >> TICAL >> Nick >> http://www.core-nrg.net >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68524-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 07:16:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13848 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 07:16:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13838 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 07:16:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.183.8.141] From: "Nick Griffin" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:15:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 07:15:48.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[795DE1A0:01C10AA2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NUW IDOL coming to the BAY AREA!!!!! I just can't wait to this....... their first U.S. appearance is going to be in our lovely BAY AREA!!!! Gianni commonly plays their tracks on his CDs and at many many raves. Don't miss this live performance. > /--\ /--/ /--/ /--/ /--/ \--\ > / \ / / / / / / / / \ \ > / /\ \ / / / / / / / / /--\ \ \ > / / \ \ / / / / / / / / / \ \ \ >/ / \ \/ / \ \____/ / \ \_/ /\ \_/ / >/__/ \____/ \________/ \_____/ \_____/ > > /--/ /------\ /---------\ /--/ > / / / /--\ \ / /---\ / / / > / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / > / / / /___/ / / \___/ / / /_____ > /__/ /_________/ \_________/ /________/ > >www.wellwicked.com (creator of WELLWICKED records, first U.S. appearance) and not to mention our favorite Bay Area DJs........ > >GIANNI (SPUNDAY, NIKITA, DJGIANNI.COM) >THOMAS TROUBLE (BLUTONIUM RECORDS, THOMASTROUBLE.COM >DYLOOT (SKILLS) >UPHONIC (ETA, THUMP RADIO) >MAC (ROCKER, OHM, HARMONICS) >ST. JOHN (HOUSE NATION) >DEVIN (JRS, DJDEVIN.COM) >DAMIAN (GREENFIELD) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68525-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 07:18:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15618 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 07:18:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15604 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 07:18:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.238] From: "innocentchild" To: "TechnoRepublic Staff" , References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:16:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 07:17:45.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFA006C0:01C10AA2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? Ascension this Thursday featuring: DJ D vs Ice-9 2x4 DJ Fuckwork Alex Van Dune vs Macadio 2x4 next Thursday we will be CLOSED then.... FINAL Thursday OF JULY!! ***JENO*** Wicked Crew - 3 hour set! Tirell vs Alkaline - 2x4 18+ always welcome $7 21+ $5 9 - 2am and afterparty close by till 6am... Look for the BSP's tomorrow =) ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? > Week by week, day by day, I notice various events with good talent that > catch my eye. But as more time passes, I try not to even bother, because > its almost a given that its 21+. > > Organic, Phuturo, Come-Unity, Le Freak, DeLuxe, Recycle, Release, Spundae, > Nikita, Scuba, 12 Monkeys, Usual, Voodoo Lounge, Velvet Shop, etc. All of > which I have had, or still have, interest in, and can't attend. Anywhere I > can find good house/techno/dnb for the 18+ (ie: Trevor Rockliffe, DJ Dan, > Ian Pooley, Misstress Barbara, Stacey Pullen, Gene Farris, Junior Sanchez, > Roger Sanchez, Angel Alanis, DJ Sneak, Terry Mullan, Doc Martin, Derrick > Carter, Jeno, Tony, Mark Farina, Andy C, Ed Rush, Bad Company, Masters at > Work, Dj Pierre, Richie Hawtin, Billy Nasty, Kosheen, John Aquaviva, Onionz, > just to name a few)??? > > > > Can we have some good house/techno/dnb clubs for the 18 n up? > > > > > > ///brianTHOMAS/// > ///technoREPUBLIC.net/// > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68526-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 07:20:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18183 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 07:20:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18113 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 07:20:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.101.106] From: "Crazy Fox" To: amber@iamthedj.com, djesmo@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:20:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 07:20:00.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FEC0E80:01C10AA3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Dj list... You know what this reminds me of? "Tell me... Am I a DJ or not? Rate me 1 to 10! www.amiadjornot.com" well, no... it doesn't exist... but it's not far off. :) >From: Amber >To: E S M O >CC: sfraves >Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Dj list... >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:57:49 -0700 > >I'm glad you wrote this. "thedjlist" also cracks me up. Web-based >voting schemes (espeically those involving registration--which almost >all do) are all totally innacurate. > >And the ones who "shouldn't be ranked that high" just promoted >themselves (or, even worse, banner added) to that spot. Bleh. > >Silly silly. > >Anyway, what's with this ranking bull***? Just DJ, and dance! > > >:)Amber > > >E S M O wrote: > > > > Has anyone > > ever gone to > > www.thedjlist.com > > it is probably the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen... > > incredibly innaccurate.. > > but its kinda phunny to see wut djs are ranked.. > > and who probably shouldnt be ranked that high... > > hahaha > > L8 > >-- >Amber .|. http://www.iamthedj.com .|. You hate Amber. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68527-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 07:38:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30032 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 07:38:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30022 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 07:38:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.197.174] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: ravin_riz@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:38:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 07:38:18.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E1C9740:01C10AA5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS hehe, i think im goin. hehe *^_^ im spinning too btw. look for me and say hi! peace ya heard? -paul CHOCO dj_choco@hotmail.com >From: "RAVIN RIZ" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:57:09 -0000 > >Hey everyone, > Anyone going to FOCUS this friday night? The line-up looks awesome: >Morgan, Telene, Michael Lui, Tyme, Psykoral...just to name a few...and it's >only 15 bucks! I don't know about you, but this'll be the first time in a >loooonnnng time I've paid less than 20 dollars for a party. So if you're >goin, holla at me...I'd love to see more faces behind the email addresses. >Chao. >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68528-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 08:00:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36214 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 08:00:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36204 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 08:00:17 -0000 X-envelope-info: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:00:28 -0700 From: Mac Skinner To: sfraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP-Mardi Gras 2 You guys gotta check this out....this producer is gonna rock! Just spoke to him last night and i think this is going to be one to check out. See you on the dance floor. MAC > /--\ /--/ /--/ /--/ /--/ \--\ > / \ / / / / / / / / \ \ > / /\ \ / / / / / / / / /--\ \ \ > / / \ \ / / / / / / / / / \ \ \ >/ / \ \/ / \ \____/ / \ \_/ /\ \_/ / >/__/ \____/ \________/ \_____/ \_____/ > > /--/ /------\ /---------\ /--/ > / / / /--\ \ / /---\ / / / > / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / > / / / /___/ / / \___/ / / /_____ > /__/ /_________/ \_________/ /________/ > >www.wellwicked.com (creator of WELLWICKED records, first U.S. appearance) >GIANNI (SPUNDAY, NIKITA, DJGIANNI.COM) >THOMAS TROUBLE (BLUTONIUM RECORDS, THOMASTROUBLE.COM >DYLOOT (SKILLS) >UPHONIC (ETA, THUMP RADIO) >MAC (ROCKER, OHM, HARMONICS) >ST. JOHN (HOUSE NATION) >DEVIN (JRS, DJDEVIN.COM) >DAMIAN (GREENFIELD) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68529-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 08:16:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42689 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 08:16:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42679 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 08:16:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712081650.53562.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: DJ CHOCO , ravin_riz@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS I am so excited about this party. i can not wait to see how the venue turns out. The line up is great and so are the ppl throwing the party. So yeah I am definatley going. I want to see all of you there and say hi to me if you see me. e PLURibus unum Jamie Star ^.~ --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > hehe, i think im goin. hehe *^_^ im spinning too > btw. look for me and say > hi! peace ya heard? > > -paul > CHOCO > dj_choco@hotmail.com > > > >From: "RAVIN RIZ" > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, > ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS > >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:57:09 -0000 > > > >Hey everyone, > > Anyone going to FOCUS this friday night? The > line-up looks awesome: > >Morgan, Telene, Michael Lui, Tyme, Psykoral...just > to name a few...and it's > >only 15 bucks! I don't know about you, but this'll > be the first time in a > >loooonnnng time I've paid less than 20 dollars for > a party. So if you're > >goin, holla at me...I'd love to see more faces > behind the email addresses. > >Chao. > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68530-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 09:30:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70486 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 09:30:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70468 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 09:30:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.189.14.2] From: "JuNgLE bOy" To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:29:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 09:29:37.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B2751C0:01C10AB5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] looking for some tables okay....if anyone out there can give me some advice it would be grately appriciated. I'm just starting to spin and was wondering if anyone could recommend some tables that aren't too expensive, but aren't cheap as fuck. any help would be great......thanks in advance. Peace and Love, Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68531-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 10:46:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13102 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 10:46:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13092 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 10:46:03 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <008b01c10abf$a90cbc60$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "craig newman" , References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:44:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ??? AREA51- atten: Greg jesus christ i hope there arent any t-shirts... how lame would that be!!! hahaha why do u need a t-shirt to remember your time at tha party.. if u are havin trouble remembering parties... dont get so fucked up..! L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig newman" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: [sfraves] ??? AREA51- atten: Greg > Hey, I was just wondering if there was going to be any area51 > t-shirts/sweatshirts, or something that will be abailable for purchase at > the party. I hope, so I will be able to remember, that I was part of the > crowd, at what I know will be an of the hook party? > Thank, > Happee_1 > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68532-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 10:52:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15466 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 10:52:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15455 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 10:52:37 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00be01c10ac0$93c8e620$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "AndyW" Cc: "sfraves" References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:51:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Dj list... exactly... its like .. dont believe tha hype... the really good musik duznt fuck around with dumb shit like a "DJ LIST" ya kno..? L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "AndyW" To: "E S M O" Cc: "sfraves" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Dj list... > > You're just jealous cause I'm the 2696th ranked DJ in the world... even > though half those votes are probably misguided Andrew Weatherall (badass > UK guy from Sabres of Paradise & 2 Lone Swordsmen fame) votes. > > I just love the fact that I've heard some of the top ten trainwreck > through sleepy top ten sets that could have been played by most of the > locals we have here, and some of them don't even do the mixing on their > own mix cds... or that 1284th ranked Ben Long of UK's SpaceDjz could wear > any of the top ten's ass as a hat without breaking a sweat. Or that > Godfather is ranked at 3760th... or Assault at 1802. > > The recommended listening section is nice too. Based on my name, here's > the other artists you'd like: > > If you like ANDY W, you may also like these djs: > > THE SUNSHINE KID > ROBERT FEELGOOD > JOHN HOWARD > FRESH > TIESTO > > Um, no. Those names also tend to come up with a lot of other names. > > The biggest crime on line? Dieselboy = 9 Bailey (metalheadsUk) = 3760 > > Something is really jacked about this site. I also couldn't even vote for > anybody, cuz it gives me a script error when I try to create an account. > > WONKY! > andyw > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, E S M O wrote: > > -&e->Has anyone > -&e->ever gone to > -&e->www.thedjlist.com > -&e->it is probably the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen... > -&e->incredibly innaccurate.. > -&e->but its kinda phunny to see wut djs are ranked.. > -&e->and who probably shouldnt be ranked that high... > -&e->hahaha > -&e->L8 > -&e-> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68533-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 14:22:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4166 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 14:22:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4155 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 14:22:16 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.123.58.123] From: "... ! ..." To: djesmo@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 14:21:49.0780 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD5C0140:01C10ADD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The Dj list... Often, the Best porn sites are on the Bottom of the list. Usually, the Best warez sites aren't on the list at all. >From: "E S M O" >To: "sfraves" >Subject: [sfraves] The Dj list... >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:43:48 -0700 > >Has anyone >ever gone to >www.thedjlist.com >it is probably the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen... >incredibly innaccurate.. >but its kinda phunny to see wut djs are ranked.. >and who probably shouldnt be ranked that high... >hahaha >L8 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68534-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 14:36:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15654 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 14:36:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15644 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 14:36:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.111.184.2] From: "Justin Hale" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:36:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 14:36:01.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8DC5AA0:01C10ADF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Sun-Made! the next sunkissed series party! (bsp) the 2nd annual SUN-MADE ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC Sunday - August 5th, 2001 - 10am-sunset A FREE OUTDOOR BBQ & MUSIC GATHERING brought to you by Urban Assault, Illumination Records, and Techno Sun-Made facts: Serving Size: 1 day August 5th, 2001 - 10am-sunset Fully permitted Sound provided by Neuroscience Creations 408.866.9333 Free giveaways from Urban Assault, Illumination Records, and Techno bbq, sand volleyball, horseshoe pits, hiking, plenty of shade and friends DJs Jesse Gonzalez - the Krate, Cen*Tech - Salinas Serg Rockwell - Clockwork Eventz, Vibe Within' Justin Hale - Secret Society, Simply Cosmic AndyW - Secret Society, Viberation, Resource Records Siphon - Urban Assault, KillaSubz, Viberation Das - Urban Assault, KillaSubz BLD - Techno Michael Liu - Illumination Records, Secret Society Additional information can be found at: 408.817.5670 www.killasubz.com www.urbanassault.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68535-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 15:02:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34022 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 15:01:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34012 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 15:01:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Thu) I literally got this on every movie the other day when I went to Yahoo. I guess they not only had to turn off their lights, they must have had to turn off their servers too. Yahoo! Movies - Document Not Found The document you requested has not been found. Nice popcorn though. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68536-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 15:07:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40873 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 15:07:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40863 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 15:07:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712150717.38420.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: das To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, killasubz@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] killasubz thanks........ thanks everybody for coming out last night and supporting. lots of familar faces and lots of new ones. hope the new ones keep coming back. have a wonderful wednesday, weekend and see you next week. same time, same place, same channel!!!!! ===== aim: dasthedj icq: 101064644 killasubz/urbanassault/lucid productions http://www.urbanassault.org http://www.killasubz.com http://djdas.djcentral.com http://www.junglist.com/profiles/das/ southbay ghetto bass : forward thinking culture __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68537-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 15:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78793 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 15:37:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78782 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 15:37:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712153733.40512.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: leslie ayres , sf In-Reply-To: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1983054178-994952253=:36945" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! --0-1983054178-994952253=:36945 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >through out the pleasure of dance. well I know dancing ain't too pleasurable when I can't wear what I want.....and who wants to "express themselves" that way? I don't get it. Jess leslie ayres wrote: i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothes that ravers wear. hmmmm. makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. leslie ---------- Lydia wrote: >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! > >Peace, >Lydia > > >Eckö wrote: > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and >those we just met. >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >through out the pleasure of dance. >> >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your >place at this >> Re-Union >> No Sports attire >> $20.00 advanced tickets >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >> 100% fully permitted. >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy juices, >> And Aliens. >> >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >> Richard Summerhayes >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >> Eric Michelle-uvt >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >> Melanie-love sf >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >> >> Area 2 Circle of love: >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >> Allen Octavo-FGE >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >> Lsdj >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >> Psykoral - Raven >> Tyme -Raven >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG >> >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >> Pete Nice W/ >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >> KAOS >> DRSK >> TICAL >> Nick >> http://www.core-nrg.net >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1983054178-994952253=:36945-- From sfraves-return-68538-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 16:25:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22240 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 16:25:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22230 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 16:25:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.81.88.73] From: "Sean M" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:24:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 16:24:41.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[271343C0:01C10AEF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS im going to focus too. Can't wait for this party, and im glad its only 15 bucks cause i can't afford to go to expensive-ass parties any more. i think all the sfravers should meet up somewhere ne ideas? Sean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68539-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 16:26:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24779 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 16:26:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24769 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 16:26:36 -0000 Message-ID: <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "leslie ayres" , "sf" Cc: "f8" , References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:29:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing associated with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "leslie ayres" To: "sf" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothes that ravers wear. hmmmm. makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. leslie ---------- Lydia wrote: >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! > >Peace, >Lydia > > >Eckö wrote: > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and >those we just met. >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >through out the pleasure of dance. >> >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your >place at this >> Re-Union >> No Sports attire >> $20.00 advanced tickets >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >> 100% fully permitted. >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy juices, >> And Aliens. >> >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >> Richard Summerhayes >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >> Eric Michelle-uvt >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >> Melanie-love sf >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >> >> Area 2 Circle of love: >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >> Allen Octavo-FGE >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >> Lsdj >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >> Psykoral - Raven >> Tyme -Raven >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG >> >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >> Pete Nice W/ >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >> KAOS >> DRSK >> TICAL >> Nick >> http://www.core-nrg.net >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68540-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 16:39:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38394 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 16:39:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38371 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 16:39:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.20.56.38] From: "Macadio G." To: lgmejia@prodigy.net, Sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@egroups.com, djd-list@dj-d.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:38:33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 16:38:33.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[17294020:01C10AF1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] FAMILIAR FACES?????????? It is that Super Tired ass song called "Madd World" By the Nu-romantix.. Trance just gets fucking Cheesier and Cheesier every year. That has to be one of the most played out songs by locals DJ's and one of the worst I have heard since Unchained Melody. Well im sure there are more and worse cheese but since I hardly ever listen to Cheesie trance Thank god. With the exception of when I listen to 90.5 KSJS those jocks like to play some real cheese but it is good humor to listen to. Side Note at 5am on 90.5 on Sat mornings they play some of the best East coast hip-hop. How do I know they are playing Hip-hop at that un-godly hour you ask. Well that is how early you have to get up when you want to get to the Snow by 10am ;-) For all you trance fiends sorry to piss on your parade just a lil annoyed today.. Macadio >From: "Guillermo" >To: , , > >Subject: [sfraves] FAMILIAR FACES?????????? >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:49:54 -0700 > >CAN NEONE HELP ME OUT ON THIS? IV HEARD THIS SONG AT SKILLS FREE PARTY AND >IMAGINE IM NOT SURE WHATS ITS CALLED IT GOES "THE FAMILIAR >FACES...............". YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I LOVE THAT SONG . TRIED >SEARCHING UNDER "FAMILIAR FACES" BUT NOTHING COMES UP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68541-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 16:47:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48926 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 16:47:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48915 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 16:47:51 -0000 Message-ID: <007f01c10af2$5fae8200$6900000a@tendocom.org> Reply-To: "matt newell" From: "matt newell" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , "leslie ayres" , "sf" Cc: "f8" , References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:47:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 16:47:44.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FA50C20:01C10AF2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! we appreciate your attention to detail as per usual nick, but in some locales adidas and "everything else" are what define "thug types" et al. i have an idea! we'll have some music, maybe a "dj". we'll ask him to bring some of those record things and we'll set up some lasers with some chai and throw suckers to the crowd. then we'll get gary coleman to host the event and make sure no one is wearing anything we deem as problmatic to the underground vibe as stated in the uvt vibe manual. rtfm. maybe kenneth will get his chance to publicly diss you back after this one. more coffee now, .. matt .. www.sweetillusions.org .. matt@sweetillusions.org .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eckö" To: "leslie ayres" ; "sf" Cc: "f8" ; Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! : I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type : people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing associated : with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adidas and : everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. : Nick : http://www.unityvibetribe.com : http://www.core-nrg.net : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "leslie ayres" : To: "sf" : Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM : Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again : to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! : : : i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a : dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothes : that ravers wear. hmmmm. : : makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? : : profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't : allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. : : leslie : : ---------- : Lydia wrote: : : >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports : >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! : > : >Peace, : >Lydia : > : > : >Eckö wrote: : > : >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within : >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which : >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. : >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and : >those we just met. : >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out : >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self : >through out the pleasure of dance. : >> : >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your : >place at this : >> Re-Union : >> No Sports attire : >> $20.00 advanced tickets : >> Virgin Indoor out door venue : >> 100% fully permitted. : >> 9:00pm till 8:00am : >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy : juices, : >> And Aliens. : >> : >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: : >> Richard Summerhayes : >> Jazz-e uvt new resident : >> Jim Hopkins -uvt : >> Eric Michelle-uvt : >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com : >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records : >> Melanie-love sf : >> Introducing: Justin Kauai : >> : >> Area 2 Circle of love: : >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves : >> Allen Octavo-FGE : >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk : >> Lsdj : >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective : >> Psykoral - Raven : >> Tyme -Raven : >> Celsius - Projekt 9 : >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG : >> : >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: : >> Pete Nice W/ : >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION : >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW : >> KAOS : >> DRSK : >> TICAL : >> Nick : >> http://www.core-nrg.net : >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com : >> : >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- : >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." : > : > : >--------------------------------------------------------------------- : >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org : >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org : > : > : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org : For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org : : : : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org : For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68542-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 16:57:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59811 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 16:57:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59783 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 16:57:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712165729.74496.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tera Ball To: Nick Griffin , sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NUW IDOL coming to the BAY AREA!!!!! OMG Nick!!! Did you say Nuw Idol!!! I can't believe it! And in our hometown! That is amazing! Hey buddy I will see you there!! :) Oh Yeah! --- Nick Griffin wrote: > I just can't wait to this....... their first U.S. > appearance is going to be > in our lovely BAY AREA!!!! Gianni commonly plays > their tracks on his CDs > and at many many raves. Don't miss this live > performance. > > > > /--\ /--/ /--/ /--/ /--/ \--\ > > / \ / / / / / / / / \ \ > > / /\ \ / / / / / / / / /--\ \ > \ > > / / \ \ / / / / / / / / / \ \ > \ > >/ / \ \/ / \ \____/ / \ \_/ /\ \_/ > / > >/__/ \____/ \________/ \_____/ > \_____/ > > > > /--/ /------\ /---------\ /--/ > > / / / /--\ \ / /---\ / / / > > / / / / / / / / / / / / > / / / / / / / / / / / / > > / / / /___/ / / \___/ / / /_____ > > /__/ /_________/ \_________/ /________/ > > > >www.wellwicked.com (creator of WELLWICKED records, > first U.S. appearance) > > and not to mention our favorite Bay Area DJs........ > > > >GIANNI (SPUNDAY, NIKITA, DJGIANNI.COM) > >THOMAS TROUBLE (BLUTONIUM RECORDS, > THOMASTROUBLE.COM > >DYLOOT (SKILLS) > >UPHONIC (ETA, THUMP RADIO) > >MAC (ROCKER, OHM, HARMONICS) > >ST. JOHN (HOUSE NATION) > >DEVIN (JRS, DJDEVIN.COM) > >DAMIAN (GREENFIELD) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68543-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 16:59:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64050 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 16:59:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64039 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 16:59:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712165948.79503.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: "Eckö" , leslie ayres , sf Cc: f8 , kevikev420@aol.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1375543705-994957188=:79002" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! --0-1375543705-994957188=:79002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The saddest part is... he is serious. Jess Eckö wrote: I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing associated with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "leslie ayres" To: "sf" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothes that ravers wear. hmmmm. makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. leslie ---------- Lydia wrote: >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! > >Peace, >Lydia > > >Eckö wrote: > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and >those we just met. >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >through out the pleasure of dance. >> >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your >place at this >> Re-Union >> No Sports attire >> $20.00 advanced tickets >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >> 100% fully permitted. >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy juices, >> And Aliens. >> >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >> Richard Summerhayes >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >> Eric Michelle-uvt >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >> Melanie-love sf >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >> >> Area 2 Circle of love: >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >> Allen Octavo-FGE >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >> Lsdj >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >> Psykoral - Raven >> Tyme -Raven >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG >> >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >> Pete Nice W/ >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >> KAOS >> DRSK >> TICAL >> Nick >> http://www.core-nrg.net >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1375543705-994957188=:79002-- From sfraves-return-68544-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:05:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72995 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:05:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72985 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:05:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: =?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?= cc: leslie ayres , sf , f8 , kevikev420@aol.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! dig, dig, dig. Can thug-type people still come, if we wear UVT-approved clothing? -mike. >I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type >people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing >associated with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. >Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the >miscommunication. > >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "leslie ayres" >To: "sf" >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once agai= n >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with = a >dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable cloth= es >that ravers wear. hmmmm. > >makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? > >profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn'= t >allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. > >leslie > >---------- >Lydia wrote: > >>Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports >>bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! >> >>Peace, >>Lydia >> >> >>Eck=F6 wrote: >> >>> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. With= in >>in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in whic= h >>have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >>> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know an= d >>those we just met. >>> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >>their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >>through out the pleasure of dance. >>> >>> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your >>place at this >>> Re-Union >>> No Sports attire >>> $20.00 advanced tickets >>> Virgin Indoor out door venue >>> 100% fully permitted. >>> 9:00pm till 8:00am >>> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy >juices, >>> And Aliens. >>> >>> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >>> Richard Summerhayes >>> Jazz-e uvt new resident >>> Jim Hopkins -uvt >>> Eric Michelle-uvt >>> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >>> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >>> Melanie-love sf >>> Introducing: Justin Kauai >>> >>> Area 2 Circle of love: >>> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >>> Allen Octavo-FGE >>> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >>> Lsdj >>> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >>> Psykoral - Raven >>> Tyme -Raven >>> Celsius - Projekt 9 >>> Eck=F6 - UVT, core:NRG >>> >>> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >>> Pete Nice W/ >>> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >>> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >>> KAOS >>> DRSK >>> TICAL >>> Nick >>> http://www.core-nrg.net >>> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68545-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:12:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82062 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:12:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82052 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:12:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712171235.47613.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Mike Migurski , "Eckö" Cc: leslie ayres , sf , f8 , kevikev420@aol.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-246928812-994957955=:46311" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! --0-246928812-994957955=:46311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think all the djs for this party (all 10,000 of them) should show up in King's starter jerseys, complete with matching beanies =) Mike Migurski wrote: dig, dig, dig. Can thug-type people still come, if we wear UVT-approved clothing? -mike. >I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type >people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing >associated with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. >Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the >miscommunication. > >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "leslie ayres" >To: "sf" >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a >dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothes >that ravers wear. hmmmm. > >makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? > >profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't >allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. > >leslie > >---------- >Lydia wrote: > >>Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports >>bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! >> >>Peace, >>Lydia >> >> >>Eckö wrote: >> >>> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within >>in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which >>have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >>> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and >>those we just met. >>> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >>their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >>through out the pleasure of dance. >>> >>> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your >>place at this >>> Re-Union >>> No Sports attire >>> $20.00 advanced tickets >>> Virgin Indoor out door venue >>> 100% fully permitted. >>> 9:00pm till 8:00am >>> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy >juices, >>> And Aliens. >>> >>> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >>> Richard Summerhayes >>> Jazz-e uvt new resident >>> Jim Hopkins -uvt >>> Eric Michelle-uvt >>> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >>> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >>> Melanie-love sf >>> Introducing: Justin Kauai >>> >>> Area 2 Circle of love: >>> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >>> Allen Octavo-FGE >>> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >>> Lsdj >>> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >>> Psykoral - Raven >>> Tyme -Raven >>> Celsius - Projekt 9 >>> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG >>> >>> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >>> Pete Nice W/ >>> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >>> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >>> KAOS >>> DRSK >>> TICAL >>> Nick >>> http://www.core-nrg.net >>> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-246928812-994957955=:46311-- From sfraves-return-68546-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:21:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89063 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89053 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: , frequency-8 , djd-list , SF Raves List , ravenproductions list In-Reply-To: <92.174f780a.287f2be5@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) Hey I myself am all for a march on city hall. The party kids marched in canada... I think that the 2am curfew is totall b.s. and I will be one of the first to march. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there anyone out there with the guts to march on city hall? Any thoughts, come on people??? Put in some your thoughts! laterz kenneth On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 RUENONE@aol.com wrote: > Lets all comply nicely with the law enforcement....sure..ill be right here > playing a phat tribal-tech set as the sun comes up and all the sheep are fast > asleep...Oh and Ill be dancing too..And when someone tells me to turn my > music down, they better duck and watch out for speaker shrapnel, cuz' im > blowing bass bins and making the walls crumble...Cops and the media shouldn't > be at parties unless they stand in line and pay like everyone else..What ever > happened to the good old days of rebellion? Dont want my party going past 2 > at a fully permitted venue? Well then I'll have Sammy the Slugger put on his > steel toes and kick down that warehouse door..This is becoming the sissy bay! > If i wanna have a party, im gonna have one...If "freedom to assemble" doesnt > protect us anymore then i dont know what does! When is the next rally at City > Hall..??? RIGHT TO DANCE NOW!!! TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!! > CURFEWS ARE SUPPRESSING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68547-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:22:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90889 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:22:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90879 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:22:14 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:22:03 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sf Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20010712172207.QRFO26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! oh, now i understand. i better not wear my giants jacket, cuz that's what the thugs wear. and her= e i love it so much, having purchased it at spring training years ago, and being such a baseball fan. oh, and i better tell my friend steve not to wear his favorite hockey shirt= , because he's just showing himself as a criminal, even though he's really a woodworker and a yoga teacher. dead giveaway. dude, the last time i saw someone get mugged by a thug, the thug was wearin= g black pants and a black sweatshirt. his buddies were too. this is completely ridiculous. if you don't want "thug type people" at your party, then promote to people who aren't thugs and widen your circle of friends. but dictating what people wear is so out of line that i can't even believe you'd think of it. and i'm sure that the "thugs" you're worried about are checking your websit= e for the approved clothing list. right. making a rule like this means you have to enforce it. with everyone. even those cool kids who drove 50 miles to come to the party.... right, i can see it now: "hi, welcome to unity vibe tribe, we're all about creating a positive vibe, we have a freedom garden, but you can't come in because we don't approve of your clothes. go home now" think about it, dude. what's next, no shaved heads? no earrings? no tattoos= ? no ethnic minorities? you are way over the line on this one. leslie >>I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type >>people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing >>associated with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. >>Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the >>miscommunication. >> >>Nick >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>http://www.core-nrg.net >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "leslie ayres" >>To: "sf" >>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once aga= in >>to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >> >> >>i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with= a >>dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clot= hes >>that ravers wear. hmmmm. >> >>makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? >> >>profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn= 't >>allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. >> >>leslie >> >>---------- >>Lydia wrote: >> >>>Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports >>>bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! >>> >>>Peace, >>>Lydia >>> >>> >>>Eck=F6 wrote: >>> >>>> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Wit= hin >>>in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in whi= ch >>>have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >>>> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know a= nd >>>those we just met. >>>> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >>>their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >>>through out the pleasure of dance. >>>> >>>> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your >>>place at this >>>> Re-Union >>>> No Sports attire >>>> $20.00 advanced tickets >>>> Virgin Indoor out door venue >>>> 100% fully permitted. >>>> 9:00pm till 8:00am >>>> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy >>juices, >>>> And Aliens. >>>> >>>> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >>>> Richard Summerhayes >>>> Jazz-e uvt new resident >>>> Jim Hopkins -uvt >>>> Eric Michelle-uvt >>>> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >>>> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >>>> Melanie-love sf >>>> Introducing: Justin Kauai >>>> >>>> Area 2 Circle of love: >>>> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >>>> Allen Octavo-FGE >>>> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >>>> Lsdj >>>> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >>>> Psykoral - Raven >>>> Tyme -Raven >>>> Celsius - Projekt 9 >>>> Eck=F6 - UVT, core:NRG >>>> >>>> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >>>> Pete Nice W/ >>>> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >>>> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >>>> KAOS >>>> DRSK >>>> TICAL >>>> Nick >>>> http://www.core-nrg.net >>>> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68548-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:23:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95323 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:23:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95313 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:23:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.112.32.195] From: "- Kitterman" To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:23:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 17:23:21.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[5939E1D0:01C10AF7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ) ) DDR Review ( ( Thanks Stereophonik! I'd just wanted to take the time & thank Stereophonik\Killersubs for bringing out DDR again. For those of you that didn't catch his live set, what can I say...you just missed out. He played some banging techno \ psychedelic trance that was nothing short of going on! Looking forward to the 2 year anniversary! **Peace** -John _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68549-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:24:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97188 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:24:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97178 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:24:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:23:09 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! i'd still have to agree with leslie. while there are people that=20 cause trouble at parties that wear certain kinds of sports attire,=20 there are also people that do not. profiling people by the way they=20 dress for an event that is supposed to be fun is just like government=20 profiling events by the type of music they play...and we all know how=20 unfair that is. i think this is taking the easy way out of a problem=20 that is connected with the entire scene, though usually more=20 prevalent at large parties of 1000 people or more. while there is no easy solution to the 'thug' problem, i would=20 suggest that there are other ways to go about it; having ample=20 excellent security and a safe building or space are a good start.=20 having faith in your production crew to identify possible=20 troublemakers is probably one of the cornerstones, because 'thugs'=20 can come equipped with or without the identification of their=20 favorite sports team. deepfog (a closet cubs fan) At 9:29 AM -0700 7/12/01, Eck=F6 wrote: >I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type >people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing associated >with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adidas and >everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "leslie ayres" >To: "sf" >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a >dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothe= s >that ravers wear. hmmmm. > >makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? > >profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't >allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. > >leslie > >---------- >Lydia wrote: > >=20 >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ spor= ts >=20 >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! >=20 > >=20 >Peace, >=20 >Lydia >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >Eck=F6 wrote: >=20 > >=20 >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. W= ithin >=20 >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in w= hich >=20 >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >=20 >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know= and >=20 >those we just met. >=20 >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >=20 >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >=20 >through out the pleasure of dance. >=20 >> >=20 >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee you= r >=20 >place at this >=20 >> Re-Union >=20 >> No Sports attire >=20 >> $20.00 advanced tickets >=20 >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >=20 >> 100% fully permitted. >=20 >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >=20 >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy >juices, >=20 >> And Aliens. >=20 >> >=20 >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >=20 >> Richard Summerhayes >=20 >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >=20 >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >=20 >> Eric Michelle-uvt >=20 >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >=20 >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >=20 >> Melanie-love sf >=20 >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >=20 >> >=20 >> Area 2 Circle of love: >=20 >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >=20 >> Allen Octavo-FGE >=20 >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >=20 >> Lsdj >=20 >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >=20 >> Psykoral - Raven >=20 >> Tyme -Raven >=20 >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >=20 >> Eck=F6 - UVT, core:NRG >=20 >> >=20 >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >=20 >> Pete Nice W/ >=20 >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >=20 >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >=20 >> KAOS >=20 >> DRSK >=20 >> TICAL >=20 >> Nick >=20 >> http://www.core-nrg.net >=20 >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >=20 >> >=20 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >=20 >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 > >=20 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68550-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:31:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5012 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:31:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5002 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:31:45 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c10af8$f64e5360$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Deepfog" , "SFRavEs Mailing List" References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:34:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! The owner of the venue specifically asked us to do this. We are only playing by his rules..If you don't like it, then I'm sorry I guess I wont see you there. But for those of you who do come the party is going to be off the hook.. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deepfog" To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! i'd still have to agree with leslie. while there are people that cause trouble at parties that wear certain kinds of sports attire, there are also people that do not. profiling people by the way they dress for an event that is supposed to be fun is just like government profiling events by the type of music they play...and we all know how unfair that is. i think this is taking the easy way out of a problem that is connected with the entire scene, though usually more prevalent at large parties of 1000 people or more. while there is no easy solution to the 'thug' problem, i would suggest that there are other ways to go about it; having ample excellent security and a safe building or space are a good start. having faith in your production crew to identify possible troublemakers is probably one of the cornerstones, because 'thugs' can come equipped with or without the identification of their favorite sports team. deepfog (a closet cubs fan) At 9:29 AM -0700 7/12/01, Eckö wrote: >I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type >people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing associated >with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adidas and >everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "leslie ayres" >To: "sf" >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a >dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothes >that ravers wear. hmmmm. > >makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? > >profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't >allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. > >leslie > >---------- >Lydia wrote: > > >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports > >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! > > > >Peace, > >Lydia > > > > > >Eckö wrote: > > > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within > >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which > >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. > >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and > >those we just met. > >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out > >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self > >through out the pleasure of dance. > >> > >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your > >place at this > >> Re-Union > >> No Sports attire > >> $20.00 advanced tickets > >> Virgin Indoor out door venue > >> 100% fully permitted. > >> 9:00pm till 8:00am > >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy >juices, > >> And Aliens. > >> > >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: > >> Richard Summerhayes > >> Jazz-e uvt new resident > >> Jim Hopkins -uvt > >> Eric Michelle-uvt > >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > >> Melanie-love sf > >> Introducing: Justin Kauai > >> > >> Area 2 Circle of love: > >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves > >> Allen Octavo-FGE > >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > >> Lsdj > >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > >> Psykoral - Raven > >> Tyme -Raven > >> Celsius - Projekt 9 > >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > >> > >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > >> Pete Nice W/ > >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > >> KAOS > >> DRSK > >> TICAL > >> Nick > >> http://www.core-nrg.net > >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68551-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:40:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18084 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:40:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18074 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:40:56 -0000 Message-ID: <004901c10afa$3f070150$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" References: <20010712165948.79503.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> <3B4DDF12.3963293@globalparty.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:44:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! If anyone had any feelings they would like to share about the sports atire please send your comments to kevikev420@aol .com. This is not my doing and I can do nothing about it. He will be glad to answer all your questions. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feel Good" To: "Eckö" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > Nick, this one takes the cake. it really does. sometimes you just have to look before you leap. I > don't pay much attention to what goes on this list anymore... but I read all bsp... and I gotta tell you... > this is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a policy you should advertise, or in good conscience enforce and still call > yourselves "UNITY" vibe tribe. cause this contradicts everything that the idea of unity is about. I just > makes you look bad, and like a hypocrite. keep it real, Vlad > > > > > > Eckö wrote: I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type > > people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing associated > > with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adidas and > > everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. > > Nick > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "leslie ayres" > > To: "sf" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again > > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a > > dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothes > > that ravers wear. hmmmm. > > > > makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? > > > > profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't > > allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. > > > > leslie > > > > ---------- > > Lydia wrote: > > > > >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports > > >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! > > > > > >Peace, > > >Lydia > > > > > > > > >Eckö wrote: > > > > > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within > > >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which > > >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. > > >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and > > >those we just met. > > >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out > > >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self > > >through out the pleasure of dance. > > >> > > >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your > > >place at this > > >> Re-Union > > >> No Sports attire > > >> $20.00 advanced tickets > > >> Virgin Indoor out door venue > > >> 100% fully permitted. > > >> 9:00pm till 8:00am > > >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy > > juices, > > >> And Aliens. > > >> > > >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: > > >> Richard Summerhayes > > >> Jazz-e uvt new resident > > >> Jim Hopkins -uvt > > >> Eric Michelle-uvt > > >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > > >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > > >> Melanie-love sf > > >> Introducing: Justin Kauai > > >> > > >> Area 2 Circle of love: > > >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves > > >> Allen Octavo-FGE > > >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > > >> Lsdj > > >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > > >> Psykoral - Raven > > >> Tyme -Raven > > >> Celsius - Projekt 9 > > >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > > >> > > >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > > >> Pete Nice W/ > > >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > > >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > > >> KAOS > > >> DRSK > > >> TICAL > > >> Nick > > >> http://www.core-nrg.net > > >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68552-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:44:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20584 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:44:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20574 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:44:38 -0000 To: ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org CC: , frequency-8 , djd-list , SF Raves List , ravenproductions list Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:46:09 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-198-206-158.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.206.158]; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:44:01 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: [Raven] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) I'm down!!! At Thursday, 12 July 2001, Kenneth Bice wrote: >Hey I myself am all for a march on city hall. >The party kids marched in canada... >I think that the 2am curfew is totall b.s. >and I will be one of the first to march. >Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there >anyone out there with the guts to march on >city hall? Any thoughts, come on people??? >Put in some your thoughts! > >laterz >kenneth > >On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 RUENONE@aol.com wrote: > >> Lets all comply nicely with the law enforcement....sure..ill be right here >> playing a phat tribal-tech set as the sun comes up and all the sheep are fast >> asleep...Oh and Ill be dancing too..And when someone tells me to turn my >> music down, they better duck and watch out for speaker shrapnel, cuz' im >> blowing bass bins and making the walls crumble...Cops and the media shouldn't >> be at parties unless they stand in line and pay like everyone else..What ever >> happened to the good old days of rebellion? Dont want my party going past 2 >> at a fully permitted venue? Well then I'll have Sammy the Slugger put on his >> steel toes and kick down that warehouse door..This is becoming the sissy bay! >> If i wanna have a party, im gonna have one...If "freedom to assemble" doesnt >> protect us anymore then i dont know what does! When is the next rally at City >> Hall..??? RIGHT TO DANCE NOW!!! TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!! >> CURFEWS ARE SUPPRESSING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! >> > >This mailing list gets multipule e-mails a day. >A digest (grouped e-mail) and/or a web based version >(no e-mail, view messages on the web) >of the mailing list is availble by changing your settings at: > >http://www.yahoogroups.com/mygroups/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, >send an email to: > >ravenproductions-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68553-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:49:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30857 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:49:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30844 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:49:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: deepfog@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003101c10af8$f64e5360$100110ac@thenoid> References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> <003101c10af8$f64e5360$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:41:25 -0700 To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! well, i have to admit it's not enough of an issue for me to go out,=20 buy a baseball hat, and show up in protest. i hope the agreement and event goes well. At 10:34 AM -0700 7/12/01, Eck=F6 wrote: >The owner of the venue specifically asked us to do this. We are only playin= g >by his rules..If you don't like it, then I'm sorry I guess I wont see you >there. But for those of you who do come the party is going to be off the >hook.. >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Deepfog" >To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:23 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >i'd still have to agree with leslie. while there are people that >cause trouble at parties that wear certain kinds of sports attire, >there are also people that do not. profiling people by the way they >dress for an event that is supposed to be fun is just like government >profiling events by the type of music they play...and we all know how >unfair that is. i think this is taking the easy way out of a problem >that is connected with the entire scene, though usually more >prevalent at large parties of 1000 people or more. > >while there is no easy solution to the 'thug' problem, i would >suggest that there are other ways to go about it; having ample >excellent security and a safe building or space are a good start. >having faith in your production crew to identify possible >troublemakers is probably one of the cornerstones, because 'thugs' >can come equipped with or without the identification of their >favorite sports team. > >deepfog >(a closet cubs fan) > > > >At 9:29 AM -0700 7/12/01, Eck=F6 wrote: >=20 >I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug ty= pe >=20 >people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing assoc= iated >=20 >with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your= adidas and >=20 >everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. >=20 >Nick >=20 >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >=20 >http://www.core-nrg.net >=20 >----- Original Message ----- >=20 >From: "leslie ayres" >=20 >To: "sf" >=20 >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >=20 >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once = again >=20 >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective= with a >=20 >dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable >clothes >=20 >that ravers wear. hmmmm. >=20 > >=20 >makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? >=20 > >=20 >profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that do= esn't >=20 >allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. >=20 > >=20 >leslie >=20 > >=20 >---------- >=20 >Lydia wrote: >=20 > >=20 > >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ s= ports >=20 > >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! >=20 > > >=20 > >Peace, >=20 > >Lydia >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >Eck=F6 wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one= =2E >Within >=20 > >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some i= n >which >=20 > >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >=20 > >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we k= now >and >=20 > >those we just met. >=20 > >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let = out >=20 > >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their s= elf >=20 > >through out the pleasure of dance. >=20 > >> >=20 > >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee = your >=20 > >place at this >=20 > >> Re-Union >=20 > >> No Sports attire >=20 > >> $20.00 advanced tickets >=20 > >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >=20 > >> 100% fully permitted. >=20 > >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >=20 > >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energ= y >=20 >juices, >=20 > >> And Aliens. >=20 > >> >=20 > >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >=20 > >> Richard Summerhayes >=20 > >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >=20 > >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >=20 > >> Eric Michelle-uvt >=20 > >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >=20 > >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >=20 > >> Melanie-love sf >=20 > >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >=20 > >> >=20 > >> Area 2 Circle of love: >=20 > >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >=20 > >> Allen Octavo-FGE >=20 > >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >=20 > >> Lsdj >=20 > >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >=20 > >> Psykoral - Raven >=20 > >> Tyme -Raven >=20 > >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >=20 > >> Eck=F6 - UVT, core:NRG >=20 > >> >=20 > >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >=20 > >> Pete Nice W/ >=20 > >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >=20 > >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >=20 > >> KAOS >=20 > >> DRSK >=20 > >> TICAL >=20 > >> Nick >=20 > >> http://www.core-nrg.net >=20 > >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >=20 > >> >=20 > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >-------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >=20 > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >=20 > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >=20 >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >=20 >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68554-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 17:54:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38437 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:54:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38402 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:54:40 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Klobas, Joshua" To: "'JonnyR@aol.com'" , aK@groovefactorypro.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: scr@socal-raves.org Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:54:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10AFB.AA5375F0" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- Is there a street name? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10AFB.AA5375F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Street names for 2-ct7: Beautiful Lucky Lucky 7 Aces yeah everything sounds scary..and a bunch of stupid kids who think they can snort 35mg is even scarier.. the typical dose of lucky is usually less than 10mg (oral) Please realize that the first death- I haven't read the report of the second, is due to a 19 year old kid snorting ten times the normal dose.. Also, T7 is a research chemical, meaning, it has not been investigated for toxicological properties or whatnot.. there is no approved medical use for this substance, and before you try any research chemical, yes even the relatively benign AMT, you should be educated..you should have a balance that is precise, accurate, and repeatable. This isn't new news, someone just managed to find an archive.. Josh -----Original Message----- From: JonnyR@aol.com [mailto:JonnyR@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:41 AM To: aK@groovefactorypro.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: scr@socal-raves.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- Is there a street name? Hi, this stuff sounds really scary, and there' s no way in hell I would try it. Is there a street name for it? I want to know what to tell my friends to stay totally away from. Has it been seen around here? It's bad enough that there are people who sell bunk drugs that do nothing ... It's worse when they sell something like DXM that's legal but can hurt you badly ... But to sell something that is really, really dangerous ... string' em up by the balls! On top of that, having authorities attribute these problems to ecstasy -- even "adulterated ecstasy"-- makes our whole scene look really bad in a very undeserved way. Those among us who use e (and that's NOT all of us, to the Authorities who are listening in) usually have some sense about partying responsibly and know their limits. Some people who overdo it have lots of other problems. But something like 2-CT-7 sounds so dangerous that people could get over their heads without knowing it, with very tragic results. It's sad. Take care, everyone. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10AFB.AA5375F0-- From sfraves-return-68555-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:02:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49322 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:02:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49311 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:02:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: SF Raves List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] paging the san francisco late night coalition!! get back to me sflnc! laterz kenneth --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68556-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:15:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62085 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:15:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62073 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:15:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712181459.33025.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: F 8 , Mari Istyly , Orphan List , Dj Marr , sf raves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1395206048-994961699=:32329" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd: [lrave] fwd: --0-1395206048-994961699=:32329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'm just passing this one along to those of you who care. ^.~ Jamie Star Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1395206048-994961699=:32329 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: starkand_e@yahoo.com via web14302.mail.yahoo.com; 12 Jul 2001 11:12:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from f146.law8.hotmail.com (EHLO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.146) by mta463.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 11:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:12:19 -0700 Received: from 12.81.111.164 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:12:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.81.111.164] From: "Jamie Murray" To: starkand_e@yahoo.com Subject: Fwd: [lrave] fwd: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:12:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 18:12:19.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[309533E0:01C10AFE] Content-Length: 4970 >From: kenny ordeneaux >To: lrave@listkids.com >Subject: [lrave] fwd: >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:20:32 -0700 (PDT) > >I got this on a dallas list. its pretty cool. Kenny. >------------------------------------------------------- >Hey all Now, I don't know how many of you have ever >read this peice before, >but it's beautiful. Take the time to read just this >one letter if you don't >all the others you get everyday. This is what it means >to have heart and >focus on what you live for. This is the way it should >be and what it should >mean to us. > >with love from your brother, >SaNe > > > "Our nourishment of choice is love. Our >addiction Of choice is >music. Our currency of choice is knowledge. Our >society of choice is >Utopian though we know it will never be. > > You may hate us. You may dismiss us. You may >misunderstand us. >You may be unaware of our existance. We can only hope >you do not care to >judge us, because we would never judge you. We are >not criminals. We are >not disillusioned. We are NOT drug addicts. We are >not naive children. We >are one massive, global, tribal village that transends >man-made law, >physical geography, and time itself. We are the >Massive. One Massive. > > We were first drawn by the sound. From Far >away, the thunderous, >muffled, echoing beat was comparable to a mother's >heart soothing a child in >her womb of concrete, steel, and electrical wiring. >We are drawn back into >this womb, and there, in the heat, dampness, and >darkness of it, we came to >accept that we are all equal. Not only to the >darkness, and to ourselves, >but to the very music slamming into us and passing >through our souls: we are >all equal. And somewhere around 35Hz we could feel >the hand of God at our >backs, pushing us forward, pushing us to push >ourselves to strengthen our >minds, our bodies, and our spirits. Pushing us to >turn to the person >besides us to join hands and uplift them by sharing >the uncontrollable joy >we felt from creating this magical bubble that can, >for one evening, protect >us from the horrors, atrocities, and pollution of the >outside world. It is >in that very instant, with these initial realizations >that each of us was >truly born. > > We continue to pack our bodies into clubs, or >warehouses, or >buildings you've abandoned and left for naught, and we >bring life to them >for one night. Strong, throbbing, vibrant life in its >purest form, most >intense, most hedonistic form. In these makeshift >spaces, we seek to shed >ourselves of the burden of uncertainty for a future >you have been unable to >stabilize and secure for us. We seek to relinquish >our inhibitions, and >free ourselves from the shackles and restraints you >have put on us for your >own peace of mind. We seek to rewrite the programming >that you have tried >to indoctrinate us with since the moment we were born. > Programming that >tells us to hate, that tells us to judge, that tells >us to stuff ourselves >into the nearest and most covenient pigeon hole >possible. Programming that >even tells us to climb ladders for you, jump through >hoops, and run through >mazes and on hampster wheels. Programming that tells >us to eat from the >shiny silver spoon you are trying to feed us with, >instead of nourish >ourselves with our own capable hands. Programming that >tells us to close our >minds, instead of open them. > > Until the sun rises to burn our eyes by >revealing the distopian >reality of a world you've created for us, we dance >fiercely with our >brothers and sisters in celebration of our life, of >our culture, and of the >values we belive in: > >Peace, Love, Freedom, Tolerance, Unity, Harmony, >statement, Responsibility, >and Respect. > > Our enemy of choice is ignorance. Our weapon of >choice is >information. Our crime of choice is breaking and >challeging whatever laws >you feel you need to put in place to stop us from >celebrating our existance. >But know that while you may shut down any given party, >on any given night, >in any given city, in any given country or continent >on this beautiful >planet, you can never shut down the entire party. You >don't have access to >that switch, no matter what you may think. The music >will never stop. The >heartbeat will never fade. The party will never end." > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo@listkids.com >with the phrase 'unsubscribe lrave' in the body of >the message. > >Visit our website at http://www.listkids.com >--------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --0-1395206048-994961699=:32329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-1395206048-994961699=:32329-- From sfraves-return-68557-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:16:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63560 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:16:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63547 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:16:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712181604.37025.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Teks To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Cyberfest closing time and sound issues Interesting reply I got from Coolworld about Cyberfest ending time and sound issues... Subject: Re: questions about cyberfest at 3 -com park Greetings... We are working on a 4am end time...however 2am is still going to be a great event... As far as sound the music will run til we end!! We are building the themepark from the ground up and we are on the grounds on the Bay, which is much better for sound and will not be an issue...see you at Cyberfest. Coolworld DJ Teks wrote: > In regards to 3-com park. metropolis ended at 2am > which I'm supposing you will also. But actually the > music was turned down 45-hour before 2am due to noise > complaints from surrounding neighboorhoods. I found > this out from the sound guy himself. So what is your > stance on sound levels and when this party will end? > > we all know 2am is childs play, even for those who > dont do drugs!(yes the laws are also unfortunate) > but lowering sound levels before the party ends sucks > for the talent you bring in. We want to leave feeling > it not being disappointed that the sound was turned > down before it was over. > > I look forward to your response, > Teks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68558-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:18:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68905 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:18:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68889 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:18:48 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:18:37 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sf Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20010712181841.TCYW26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! feel free to forward this to whoever you feel appropriate -- but it's my belief that it is the responsibility of a promoter to negotiate appropriate rules and restrictions with a venue owner. and it is your party, nick. saying you have no power about it is ridiculous. sometimes explaining what our scene is about -- and what is not about -- takes some careful conversation, and an understanding of the other perspective. if i were talking to a venue owner who made a request like this, i would first understand that he/she is concerned about the safety of the people at the party, and has a mistaken idea that forbidding certain types of clothin= g might make people safe. that is not true. i would explain that the dance scene is an inclusive one, we welcome all kinds of people because we create a place where people can gather together and dance in peace, with a sense of community. we do not judge based on appearance, we do not judge based on age (except where there are issues of legal responsibility for those under 18), we do not judge based on race. singling out certain types of popular attire for exclusion is not the way to keep a party safe, in fact it is likely to create some real problems with people who are being turned away, and they'r= e just wearing the same clothes they wear every day. you want some unhappy guests? tell them they look like thugs and they can't come in... you'll hav= e some very unhappy guests. an experienced and responsible promoter would assure the venue owner of the security measures being taken for searching people for weapons and bottles as they come in, as well as for markers and pens to avoid tagging, and for keeping an eye on things inside so all the guests feel safe and welcome. and if that's not the kind of conversation you can have, then in my humble opinion, there is some maturing that should happen before attempting large-scale events. and... once again, posting a private email to a public list is always inappropriate. leslie ---------- >From: "Eck=F6" >To: "sf" >Cc: "f8" >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once agai= n to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >Date: Thu, Jul 12, 2001, 10:44 AM > >If anyone had any feelings they would like to share about the sports atire >please send your comments to kevikev420@aol .com. This is not my doing and= I >can do nothing about it. He will be glad to answer all your questions. >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Feel Good" >To: "Eck=F6" >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:32 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once agai= n >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >> Nick, this one takes the cake. it really does. sometimes you just ha= ve >to look before you leap. I >> don't pay much attention to what goes on this list anymore... but I read >all bsp... and I gotta tell you... >> this is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a policy you should advertise, or in good >conscience enforce and still call >> yourselves "UNITY" vibe tribe. cause this contradicts everything that >the idea of unity is about. I just >> makes you look bad, and like a hypocrite. keep it real, Vlad >> >> >> > >> > Eck=F6 wrote: I'm sorry we did not make our selve= s >clear..We do not want any thug type >> > people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing >associated >> > with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adida= s >and >> > everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. >> > Nick >> > http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> > http://www.core-nrg.net >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "leslie ayres" >> > To: "sf" >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >> > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once >again >> > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >> > >> > i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective >with a >> > dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable >clothes >> > that ravers wear. hmmmm. >> > >> > makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? >> > >> > profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that >doesn't >> > allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. >> > >> > leslie >> > >> > ---------- >> > Lydia wrote: >> > >> > >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ spor= ts >> > >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! >> > > >> > >Peace, >> > >Lydia >> > > >> > > >> > >Eck=F6 wrote: >> > > >> > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. >Within >> > >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in >which >> > >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >> > >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we kno= w >and >> > >those we just met. >> > >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let ou= t >> > >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their sel= f >> > >through out the pleasure of dance. >> > >> >> > >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee yo= ur >> > >place at this >> > >> Re-Union >> > >> No Sports attire >> > >> $20.00 advanced tickets >> > >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >> > >> 100% fully permitted. >> > >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >> > >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy >> > juices, >> > >> And Aliens. >> > >> >> > >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >> > >> Richard Summerhayes >> > >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >> > >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >> > >> Eric Michelle-uvt >> > >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >> > >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >> > >> Melanie-love sf >> > >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >> > >> >> > >> Area 2 Circle of love: >> > >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >> > >> Allen Octavo-FGE >> > >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >> > >> Lsdj >> > >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >> > >> Psykoral - Raven >> > >> Tyme -Raven >> > >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >> > >> Eck=F6 - UVT, core:NRG >> > >> >> > >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >> > >> Pete Nice W/ >> > >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >> > >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >> > >> KAOS >> > >> DRSK >> > >> TICAL >> > >> Nick >> > >> http://www.core-nrg.net >> > >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> > >> >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." >> > > >> > > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! >> > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68559-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:20:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71352 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:20:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71342 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:20:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712182040.81113.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:20:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Fraser To: leslie ayres , sf In-Reply-To: <20010712172207.QRFO26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! well, you see, as it was explained to me at the Connecting the Bay party, I don't get invited to the good parties cause i dress like a banker and don't wear Northface. Kari (are you still here?) warned me, but I didn't believe her (or she explained it to me afterwards). At least I wasn't accused of being a cop. I ought to go to this party to see if I do... Doug --- leslie ayres wrote: > oh, now i understand. > > i better not wear my giants jacket, cuz that's what > the thugs wear. and here > i love it so much, having purchased it at spring > training years ago, and > being such a baseball fan. > > oh, and i better tell my friend steve not to wear > his favorite hockey shirt, > because he's just showing himself as a criminal, > even though he's really a > woodworker and a yoga teacher. dead giveaway. > > dude, the last time i saw someone get mugged by a > thug, the thug was wearing > black pants and a black sweatshirt. his buddies were > too. > > this is completely ridiculous. if you don't want > "thug type people" at your > party, then promote to people who aren't thugs and > widen your circle of > friends. but dictating what people wear is so out of > line that i can't even > believe you'd think of it. > > and i'm sure that the "thugs" you're worried about > are checking your website > for the approved clothing list. right. making a rule > like this means you > have to enforce it. with everyone. even those cool > kids who drove 50 miles > to come to the party.... > > right, i can see it now: "hi, welcome to unity vibe > tribe, we're all about > creating a positive vibe, we have a freedom garden, > but you can't come in > because we don't approve of your clothes. go home > now" > > think about it, dude. what's next, no shaved heads? > no earrings? no tattoos? > no ethnic minorities? you are way over the line on > this one. > > leslie > > > > >>I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do > not want any thug type > >>people at the party. We are asking that people not > wear clothing > >>associated with sports teams. No football base > ball or hockey jerseys. > >>Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry > again for the > >>miscommunication. > >> > >>Nick > >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >>http://www.core-nrg.net > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "leslie ayres" > >>To: "sf" > >>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM > >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe > Tribe invite you once again > >>to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > >> > >> > >>i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an > underground rave collective with a > >>dress code... that prohibits some of the most > common and comfortable clothes > >>that ravers wear. hmmmm. > >> > >>makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, > doesn't it? > >> > >>profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't > go to a club that doesn't > >>allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme > than that. > >> > >>leslie > >> > >>---------- > >>Lydia wrote: > >> > >>>Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I > can't wear my visor/ sports > >>>bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my > favorite outfit! > >>> > >>>Peace, > >>>Lydia > >>> > >>> > >>>Eckö wrote: > >>> > >>>> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to > reunite as all one. Within > >>>in the past couple of years our Scene has taken > major turns, some in which > >>>have blinded the true vision of our social > gatherings events. > >>>> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe > between those that we know and > >>>those we just met. > >>>> This year the UVT invites all those that have > been urging to let out > >>>their inner soul, escape within the dance floor > and express their self > >>>through out the pleasure of dance. > >>>> > >>>> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced > tickets to guarantee your > >>>place at this > >>>> Re-Union > >>>> No Sports attire > >>>> $20.00 advanced tickets > >>>> Virgin Indoor out door venue > >>>> 100% fully permitted. > >>>> 9:00pm till 8:00am > >>>> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, > Face painting, Energy > >>juices, > >>>> And Aliens. > >>>> > >>>> Area 1 Circle in Unity: > >>>> Richard Summerhayes > >>>> Jazz-e uvt new resident > >>>> Jim Hopkins -uvt > >>>> Eric Michelle-uvt > >>>> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > >>>> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > >>>> Melanie-love sf > >>>> Introducing: Justin Kauai > >>>> > >>>> Area 2 Circle of love: > >>>> Keith Edwards- Solid groves > >>>> Allen Octavo-FGE > >>>> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > >>>> Lsdj > >>>> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > >>>> Psykoral - Raven > >>>> Tyme -Raven > >>>> Celsius - Projekt 9 > >>>> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > >>>> > >>>> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > >>>> Pete Nice W/ > >>>> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > >>>> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > >>>> KAOS > >>>> DRSK > >>>> TICAL > >>>> Nick > >>>> http://www.core-nrg.net > >>>> http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >>>> > >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> "Those who stand for nothing fall for > anything." > >>> > >>> > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >>> > >>> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > michal migurski > mike@cloudfactory.org > > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > We're lying in the gutter, but we're > looking === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68560-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:23:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76431 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:23:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76421 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:23:36 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:22:59 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MARDI GRAS 2 FRIDAY w/ NU IDOL See you all there and its going till 5 Am>>>oh yeah! 415-289-2111 Yarrow --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68561-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:28:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82595 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:28:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82581 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:28:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:28:31 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010712112831.B20367@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from ravin_riz@hotmail.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:57:09AM -0000 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS I will be in attendance at Focus. Looks like it will be a funass time. I'll be the large 6'4" guy with the yellow glasses. I'm not sure what I'm wearing yet. If you see, say hello. This whole meeting up thing has gotten me thinking: what would people think if there were SFR stickers that you could buy online from somewhere that you could then wear to a party. That way we would know who we are and could introduce ourselves anywhere in the party instead of just at some designated meeting spot. It also reduces coordination, as you don't even need a meeting spot if everyone is just nicely labelled. I'm thinking something like those oval stickers that you see on the back of cars that have the European country abbreviations on them. Of course, they would be done up in colors that look good under a black light. Something (and this is really rough) like this: http://wwn.nebcorp.com/~regs/SFR.gif Thoughts? -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68562-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:33:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89143 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:33:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89122 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:33:40 -0000 Message-ID: <009101c10b01$97b37d40$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Douglas Fraser" , "leslie ayres" , "sf" References: <20010712182040.81113.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:36:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! For the record...This is not my party. I have nothing to do with this party other than helping Kevin and booking some dj's. Please do not talk to me about this party because I do not care. If you have anything to say to Kevin then email Kevin and stop sending me all these private emails. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Fraser" To: "leslie ayres" ; "sf" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > well, you see, as it was explained to me at the > Connecting the Bay party, I don't get invited to the > good parties cause i dress like a banker and don't > wear Northface. Kari (are you still here?) warned > me, but I didn't believe her (or she explained it > to me afterwards). At least I wasn't accused of being > a cop. I ought to go to this party to see if I do... > > Doug > > --- leslie ayres wrote: > > oh, now i understand. > > > > i better not wear my giants jacket, cuz that's what > > the thugs wear. and here > > i love it so much, having purchased it at spring > > training years ago, and > > being such a baseball fan. > > > > oh, and i better tell my friend steve not to wear > > his favorite hockey shirt, > > because he's just showing himself as a criminal, > > even though he's really a > > woodworker and a yoga teacher. dead giveaway. > > > > dude, the last time i saw someone get mugged by a > > thug, the thug was wearing > > black pants and a black sweatshirt. his buddies were > > too. > > > > this is completely ridiculous. if you don't want > > "thug type people" at your > > party, then promote to people who aren't thugs and > > widen your circle of > > friends. but dictating what people wear is so out of > > line that i can't even > > believe you'd think of it. > > > > and i'm sure that the "thugs" you're worried about > > are checking your website > > for the approved clothing list. right. making a rule > > like this means you > > have to enforce it. with everyone. even those cool > > kids who drove 50 miles > > to come to the party.... > > > > right, i can see it now: "hi, welcome to unity vibe > > tribe, we're all about > > creating a positive vibe, we have a freedom garden, > > but you can't come in > > because we don't approve of your clothes. go home > > now" > > > > think about it, dude. what's next, no shaved heads? > > no earrings? no tattoos? > > no ethnic minorities? you are way over the line on > > this one. > > > > leslie > > > > > > > > >>I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do > > not want any thug type > > >>people at the party. We are asking that people not > > wear clothing > > >>associated with sports teams. No football base > > ball or hockey jerseys. > > >>Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry > > again for the > > >>miscommunication. > > >> > > >>Nick > > >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > >>http://www.core-nrg.net > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "leslie ayres" > > >>To: "sf" > > >>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM > > >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe > > Tribe invite you once again > > >>to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >> > > >> > > >>i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an > > underground rave collective with a > > >>dress code... that prohibits some of the most > > common and comfortable clothes > > >>that ravers wear. hmmmm. > > >> > > >>makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, > > doesn't it? > > >> > > >>profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't > > go to a club that doesn't > > >>allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme > > than that. > > >> > > >>leslie > > >> > > >>---------- > > >>Lydia wrote: > > >> > > >>>Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I > > can't wear my visor/ sports > > >>>bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my > > favorite outfit! > > >>> > > >>>Peace, > > >>>Lydia > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Eckö wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to > > reunite as all one. Within > > >>>in the past couple of years our Scene has taken > > major turns, some in which > > >>>have blinded the true vision of our social > > gatherings events. > > >>>> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe > > between those that we know and > > >>>those we just met. > > >>>> This year the UVT invites all those that have > > been urging to let out > > >>>their inner soul, escape within the dance floor > > and express their self > > >>>through out the pleasure of dance. > > >>>> > > >>>> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced > > tickets to guarantee your > > >>>place at this > > >>>> Re-Union > > >>>> No Sports attire > > >>>> $20.00 advanced tickets > > >>>> Virgin Indoor out door venue > > >>>> 100% fully permitted. > > >>>> 9:00pm till 8:00am > > >>>> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, > > Face painting, Energy > > >>juices, > > >>>> And Aliens. > > >>>> > > >>>> Area 1 Circle in Unity: > > >>>> Richard Summerhayes > > >>>> Jazz-e uvt new resident > > >>>> Jim Hopkins -uvt > > >>>> Eric Michelle-uvt > > >>>> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > > >>>> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > > >>>> Melanie-love sf > > >>>> Introducing: Justin Kauai > > >>>> > > >>>> Area 2 Circle of love: > > >>>> Keith Edwards- Solid groves > > >>>> Allen Octavo-FGE > > >>>> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > > >>>> Lsdj > > >>>> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > > >>>> Psykoral - Raven > > >>>> Tyme -Raven > > >>>> Celsius - Projekt 9 > > >>>> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > > >>>> > > >>>> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > > >>>> Pete Nice W/ > > >>>> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > > >>>> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > > >>>> KAOS > > >>>> DRSK > > >>>> TICAL > > >>>> Nick > > >>>> http://www.core-nrg.net > > >>>> http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> "Those who stand for nothing fall for > > anything." > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > michal migurski > > mike@cloudfactory.org > > > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > > > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > We're lying in the gutter, but we're > > looking > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68563-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:36:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 978 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:36:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 953 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:36:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [15.255.104.11] From: "rachel fulton" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , "leslie ayres" , "sf" Cc: "f8" , References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:35:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 18:35:57.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D8E11A0:01C10B01] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! ~~~sniff sniff ohhhh I smell smoke......let the flames begin. Thread to Address: Thugs Are People Too ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eckö" To: "leslie ayres" ; "sf" Cc: "f8" ; Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type > people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing associated > with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adidas and > everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leslie ayres" > To: "sf" > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a > dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothes > that ravers wear. hmmmm. > > makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? > > profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't > allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. > > leslie > > ---------- > Lydia wrote: > > >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports > >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! > > > >Peace, > >Lydia > > > > > >Eckö wrote: > > > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within > >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which > >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. > >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and > >those we just met. > >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out > >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self > >through out the pleasure of dance. > >> > >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your > >place at this > >> Re-Union > >> No Sports attire > >> $20.00 advanced tickets > >> Virgin Indoor out door venue > >> 100% fully permitted. > >> 9:00pm till 8:00am > >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy > juices, > >> And Aliens. > >> > >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: > >> Richard Summerhayes > >> Jazz-e uvt new resident > >> Jim Hopkins -uvt > >> Eric Michelle-uvt > >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > >> Melanie-love sf > >> Introducing: Justin Kauai > >> > >> Area 2 Circle of love: > >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves > >> Allen Octavo-FGE > >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > >> Lsdj > >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > >> Psykoral - Raven > >> Tyme -Raven > >> Celsius - Projekt 9 > >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > >> > >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > >> Pete Nice W/ > >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > >> KAOS > >> DRSK > >> TICAL > >> Nick > >> http://www.core-nrg.net > >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68564-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:39:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5580 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:39:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5570 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:39:43 -0000 Message-ID: <00a601c10b02$543b5820$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:41:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C10AC7.A0CACEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C10AC7.A0CACEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE = information? Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File = documents, which will release the Venue information... Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take = place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the = right answer!=20 Peace and love, Greg Sandler ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C10AC7.A0CACEE0-- From sfraves-return-68565-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:49:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22966 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:49:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22951 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:49:37 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:49:23 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sf Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20010712184928.UMIU26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! this isn't a private email -- it's to the list. the others you're receivin= g were copies of what was sent to the list, that's how "reply all" works. i'm confused, though, nick. can you clarify please? for the record, i mean. all of your emails say you are part of unity vibe tribe by listing that url in your signature -- you posted a bsp for unity vibe tribe, then you posted a response to the question about clothing profiling with a message that use= s the words "we" "we" and "we" --- and now you say you have nothing to do with this party (other than helping with it and booking djs)? if you represent yourself as unity vibe tribe, then you are. if you're just posing as part of this crew, that's an interesting scenario. and if you can't tell the difference or you think you can choose when you are and when you aren't.... you may want to reconsider that. leslie >For the record...This is not my party. I have nothing to do with this part= y >other than helping Kevin and booking some dj's. Please do not talk to me >about this party because I do not care. If you have anything to say to Kev= in >then email Kevin and stop sending me all these private emails. > >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Douglas Fraser" >To: "leslie ayres" ; "sf" >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:20 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once agai= n >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >> well, you see, as it was explained to me at the >> Connecting the Bay party, I don't get invited to the >> good parties cause i dress like a banker and don't >> wear Northface. Kari (are you still here?) warned >> me, but I didn't believe her (or she explained it >> to me afterwards). At least I wasn't accused of being >> a cop. I ought to go to this party to see if I do... >> >> Doug >> >> --- leslie ayres wrote: >> > oh, now i understand. >> > >> > i better not wear my giants jacket, cuz that's what >> > the thugs wear. and here >> > i love it so much, having purchased it at spring >> > training years ago, and >> > being such a baseball fan. >> > >> > oh, and i better tell my friend steve not to wear >> > his favorite hockey shirt, >> > because he's just showing himself as a criminal, >> > even though he's really a >> > woodworker and a yoga teacher. dead giveaway. >> > >> > dude, the last time i saw someone get mugged by a >> > thug, the thug was wearing >> > black pants and a black sweatshirt. his buddies were >> > too. >> > >> > this is completely ridiculous. if you don't want >> > "thug type people" at your >> > party, then promote to people who aren't thugs and >> > widen your circle of >> > friends. but dictating what people wear is so out of >> > line that i can't even >> > believe you'd think of it. >> > >> > and i'm sure that the "thugs" you're worried about >> > are checking your website >> > for the approved clothing list. right. making a rule >> > like this means you >> > have to enforce it. with everyone. even those cool >> > kids who drove 50 miles >> > to come to the party.... >> > >> > right, i can see it now: "hi, welcome to unity vibe >> > tribe, we're all about >> > creating a positive vibe, we have a freedom garden, >> > but you can't come in >> > because we don't approve of your clothes. go home >> > now" >> > >> > think about it, dude. what's next, no shaved heads? >> > no earrings? no tattoos? >> > no ethnic minorities? you are way over the line on >> > this one. >> > >> > leslie >> > >> > >> > >> > >>I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do >> > not want any thug type >> > >>people at the party. We are asking that people not >> > wear clothing >> > >>associated with sports teams. No football base >> > ball or hockey jerseys. >> > >>Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry >> > again for the >> > >>miscommunication. >> > >> >> > >>Nick >> > >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> > >>http://www.core-nrg.net >> > >>----- Original Message ----- >> > >>From: "leslie ayres" >> > >>To: "sf" >> > >>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >> > >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe >> > Tribe invite you once again >> > >>to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an >> > underground rave collective with a >> > >>dress code... that prohibits some of the most >> > common and comfortable clothes >> > >>that ravers wear. hmmmm. >> > >> >> > >>makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, >> > doesn't it? >> > >> >> > >>profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't >> > go to a club that doesn't >> > >>allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme >> > than that. >> > >> >> > >>leslie >> > >> >> > >>---------- >> > >>Lydia wrote: >> > >> >> > >>>Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I >> > can't wear my visor/ sports >> > >>>bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my >> > favorite outfit! >> > >>> >> > >>>Peace, >> > >>>Lydia >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>>Eck=F6 wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>>> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to >> > reunite as all one. Within >> > >>>in the past couple of years our Scene has taken >> > major turns, some in which >> > >>>have blinded the true vision of our social >> > gatherings events. >> > >>>> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe >> > between those that we know and >> > >>>those we just met. >> > >>>> This year the UVT invites all those that have >> > been urging to let out >> > >>>their inner soul, escape within the dance floor >> > and express their self >> > >>>through out the pleasure of dance. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced >> > tickets to guarantee your >> > >>>place at this >> > >>>> Re-Union >> > >>>> No Sports attire >> > >>>> $20.00 advanced tickets >> > >>>> Virgin Indoor out door venue >> > >>>> 100% fully permitted. >> > >>>> 9:00pm till 8:00am >> > >>>> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, >> > Face painting, Energy >> > >>juices, >> > >>>> And Aliens. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >> > >>>> Richard Summerhayes >> > >>>> Jazz-e uvt new resident >> > >>>> Jim Hopkins -uvt >> > >>>> Eric Michelle-uvt >> > >>>> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >> > >>>> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >> > >>>> Melanie-love sf >> > >>>> Introducing: Justin Kauai >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Area 2 Circle of love: >> > >>>> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >> > >>>> Allen Octavo-FGE >> > >>>> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >> > >>>> Lsdj >> > >>>> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >> > >>>> Psykoral - Raven >> > >>>> Tyme -Raven >> > >>>> Celsius - Projekt 9 >> > >>>> Eck=F6 - UVT, core:NRG >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >> > >>>> Pete Nice W/ >> > >>>> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >> > >>>> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >> > >>>> KAOS >> > >>>> DRSK >> > >>>> TICAL >> > >>>> Nick >> > >>>> http://www.core-nrg.net >> > >>>> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >>>> "Those who stand for nothing fall for >> > anything." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68566-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:52:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27217 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:52:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27207 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:52:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712185222.89811.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:52:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sf raves In-Reply-To: <20010712112831.B20367@nebcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS Why stickes? why not buttons so you can wear them over and over and over again. ^.~ --- Ari Gordon-Schlosberg wrote: > I will be in attendance at Focus. Looks like it > will be a funass time. > I'll be the large 6'4" guy with the yellow glasses. > I'm not sure what I'm > wearing yet. If you see, say hello. > > This whole meeting up thing has gotten me thinking: > what would people > think if there were SFR stickers that you could buy > online from somewhere > that you could then wear to a party. That way we > would know who we are and > could introduce ourselves anywhere in the party > instead of just at some > designated meeting spot. It also reduces > coordination, as you don't even > need a meeting spot if everyone is just nicely > labelled. > > I'm thinking something like those oval stickers that > you see on the back of > cars that have the European country abbreviations on > them. Of course, they > would be done up in colors that look good under a > black light. > > Something (and this is really rough) like this: > > http://wwn.nebcorp.com/~regs/SFR.gif > > Thoughts? > > -- > Ari there is no spoon > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68567-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:54:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33048 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:54:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33038 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:54:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: Greg Sandler cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <00a601c10b02$543b5820$1101000a@litterbox> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? The Acme!!! ... Did I win? >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE >information? > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File >documents, which will release the Venue information... > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the >right answer! > >Peace and love, > >Greg Sandler > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68568-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:54:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35270 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:54:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35252 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:54:46 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "JuNgLE bOy" , , Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:40:30 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] looking for some tables Jungle Boy, Technics 1200's. They are the only table you want to use--I made the mistake of getting "beginners" turntables when I started out and it's not something you want to do. For one, the Technics are probably the most durable turntables out there; there are many others that offer more features but have they been tested out for 20 years like the Technics have? Also, (and this is the main reason for me) every venue you will ever play will have Technics decks set up, so you might as well learn on them and get to know them backwards. My advice is to go on Ebay.com or Recycle.com and look for some used 1200's. They go on forever, so don't worry about wear and tear! If you absolutely must get newer tables cheaper, then at least go for some direct drive turntables, like the Stanton STR-60's or Gemini PT-1000's or something. Be warned tho' they ain't Technics. Peace! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) -----Original Message----- From: JuNgLE bOy [mailto:jun_gle_boy@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 July 2001 02:30 To: sacraves@hyperreal.org; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] looking for some tables Importance: Low okay....if anyone out there can give me some advice it would be grately appriciated. I'm just starting to spin and was wondering if anyone could recommend some tables that aren't too expensive, but aren't cheap as fuck. any help would be great......thanks in advance. Peace and Love, Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68569-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:57:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38674 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:57:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38663 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:57:46 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:08:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: DRUG WAR BRIEFS: UK Ends "Zero Tolerance" DRUG WAR BRIEFS: UK Ends "Zero Tolerance" Kevin Nelson, AlterNet July 10, 2001 "Nothing could more vividly dramatize reaffirmation of our belief in freedom and personal responsibility than to move clearly in favour of liberalizing the law on cannabis." -– Peter Lilley, former deputy leader of Britain's Conservative Party, July 5, 2001 As police in the Brixton area of London begin a 6-month experiment in marijuana decriminalization in an effort to conserve limited resources, a nationwide call for the legalization of marijuana gathers momentum across the political spectrum and in the court of public opinion. July 1 (UK) -- The Times reports: Britain's first drugs czar, Keith Hellawell, has softened his hard line on cannabis, saying that he no longer believes it necessarily leads on to harder drugs. In a significant U-turn, the anti-drugs co-ordinator, who was sidelined by David Blunkett, the home secretary, last month, said: "I do not believe it's a gateway drug." The shift signals an end to Britain's apparent "zero tolerance" of soft drugs, coming only days after Blunkett endorsed a police experiment to let off people caught in possession of cannabis with only a warning. July 2 (UK) -- The Times reports: Pro-Cannabis campaigners were given a double boost yesterday when Mo Mowlam, former head of the Government's anti-drug policy, called for it to be legalised and her senior adviser (Keith Hellawell) agreed that he could be wrong about links to heroin or cocaine. [Mowlam], who said last year that she had tried cannabis at university, said: "From my time with the Government's drug policy I have come to the conclusion that we must decriminalise cannabis. It is a view I know that many in the police, social workers and others working with cannabis smokers fully agree with," she said. She called for an inquiry into how to decriminalise the drug. Dr Mowlam said it would be "totally irrational to decriminalise cannabis without looking at the sale of it" adding: "It would be an absurdity to have criminals controlling the market in a substance people can use legally." July 4 -- The United States of America celebrates the 225th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence- a document originally drafted on hemp paper declaring the formal separation of the American colonies from tyrannical British rule. July 6, (UK) -- The New York Times reports: The former deputy leader of Britain's opposition Conservative Party called on Friday for cannabis to be legalized in Britain and sold in special outlets. Peter Lilley, a right-winger who served in the cabinets of former Prime Ministers Margaret Thatcher and John Major, said a rethink on cannabis would show "bold new thinking" by the Conservatives and help the party recover from the election mauling it suffered in June. "The present laws have palpably failed. Nearly half of young people try cannabis and more than a million people flout the law every month," he said. His stance is at odds with that of most Tories, particularly the hardline view of shadow Home Secretary Ann Widdecombe, who told BBC radio on Friday: "The current position of the Conservative party is that we are opposed to legalization." Widdecombe last year called for the party to adopt a "zero tolerance" policy on cannabis and fine anyone caught in possession of the drug. The idea was dropped after seven leading Conservatives admitted they had smoked cannabis themselves. July 8, (UK) -- The Sunday Times reports: Two former home secretaries (Lord Jenkins and Lord Baker) said yesterday that possession of cannabis should be decriminalised amid signs from the Home Office that change may be contemplated during the course of this parliament. A third former home secretary, Lord Waddington, said he would regard decriminalisation as a "minor step." At present cannabis is a category B drug, as defined by the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act. Those caught in possession can be arrested and face a prison sentence of up to five years. July 8, (UK) -- The Independent reports the results of a new nationwide poll: The survey, by NOP Research, shows that almost half the British people -- 49 percent -- are in favour of legalising cannabis or have no strong views against it. A narrow majority -- 51 percent -- still opposes legalisation. "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68570-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:57:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39159 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:57:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39097 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:57:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712185748.22918.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: "Eckö" , Douglas Fraser , leslie ayres , sf In-Reply-To: <009101c10b01$97b37d40$100110ac@thenoid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-942088327-994964267=:22814" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! --0-942088327-994964267=:22814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I know all about those parties Nick, the ones that aren't your own, the ones where the sound peeps stay until sunrise picking up trash while you've been sleeping for 3 hours. Oh well. So tell me....who is the "Unity Vibe Tribe"? Jess Eckö wrote: For the record...This is not my party. I have nothing to do with this party other than helping Kevin and booking some dj's. Please do not talk to me about this party because I do not care. If you have anything to say to Kevin then email Kevin and stop sending me all these private emails. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Fraser" To: "leslie ayres" ; "sf" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > well, you see, as it was explained to me at the > Connecting the Bay party, I don't get invited to the > good parties cause i dress like a banker and don't > wear Northface. Kari (are you still here?) warned > me, but I didn't believe her (or she explained it > to me afterwards). At least I wasn't accused of being > a cop. I ought to go to this party to see if I do... > > Doug > > --- leslie ayres wrote: > > oh, now i understand. > > > > i better not wear my giants jacket, cuz that's what > > the thugs wear. and here > > i love it so much, having purchased it at spring > > training years ago, and > > being such a baseball fan. > > > > oh, and i better tell my friend steve not to wear > > his favorite hockey shirt, > > because he's just showing himself as a criminal, > > even though he's really a > > woodworker and a yoga teacher. dead giveaway. > > > > dude, the last time i saw someone get mugged by a > > thug, the thug was wearing > > black pants and a black sweatshirt. his buddies were > > too. > > > > this is completely ridiculous. if you don't want > > "thug type people" at your > > party, then promote to people who aren't thugs and > > widen your circle of > > friends. but dictating what people wear is so out of > > line that i can't even > > believe you'd think of it. > > > > and i'm sure that the "thugs" you're worried about > > are checking your website > > for the approved clothing list. right. making a rule > > like this means you > > have to enforce it. with everyone. even those cool > > kids who drove 50 miles > > to come to the party.... > > > > right, i can see it now: "hi, welcome to unity vibe > > tribe, we're all about > > creating a positive vibe, we have a freedom garden, > > but you can't come in > > because we don't approve of your clothes. go home > > now" > > > > think about it, dude. what's next, no shaved heads? > > no earrings? no tattoos? > > no ethnic minorities? you are way over the line on > > this one. > > > > leslie > > > > > > > > >>I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do > > not want any thug type > > >>people at the party. We are asking that people not > > wear clothing > > >>associated with sports teams. No football base > > ball or hockey jerseys. > > >>Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry > > again for the > > >>miscommunication. > > >> > > >>Nick > > >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > >>http://www.core-nrg.net > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "leslie ayres" > > >>To: "sf" > > >>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM > > >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe > > Tribe invite you once again > > >>to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >> > > >> > > >>i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an > > underground rave collective with a > > >>dress code... that prohibits some of the most > > common and comfortable clothes > > >>that ravers wear. hmmmm. > > >> > > >>makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, > > doesn't it? > > >> > > >>profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't > > go to a club that doesn't > > >>allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme > > than that. > > >> > > >>leslie > > >> > > >>---------- > > >>Lydia wrote: > > >> > > >>>Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I > > can't wear my visor/ sports > > >>>bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my > > favorite outfit! > > >>> > > >>>Peace, > > >>>Lydia > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Eckö wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to > > reunite as all one. Within > > >>>in the past couple of years our Scene has taken > > major turns, some in which > > >>>have blinded the true vision of our social > > gatherings events. > > >>>> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe > > between those that we know and > > >>>those we just met. > > >>>> This year the UVT invites all those that have > > been urging to let out > > >>>their inner soul, escape within the dance floor > > and express their self > > >>>through out the pleasure of dance. > > >>>> > > >>>> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced > > tickets to guarantee your > > >>>place at this > > >>>> Re-Union > > >>>> No Sports attire > > >>>> $20.00 advanced tickets > > >>>> Virgin Indoor out door venue > > >>>> 100% fully permitted. > > >>>> 9:00pm till 8:00am > > >>>> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, > > Face painting, Energy > > >>juices, > > >>>> And Aliens. > > >>>> > > >>>> Area 1 Circle in Unity: > > >>>> Richard Summerhayes > > >>>> Jazz-e uvt new resident > > >>>> Jim Hopkins -uvt > > >>>> Eric Michelle-uvt > > >>>> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > > >>>> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > > >>>> Melanie-love sf > > >>>> Introducing: Justin Kauai > > >>>> > > >>>> Area 2 Circle of love: > > >>>> Keith Edwards- Solid groves > > >>>> Allen Octavo-FGE > > >>>> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > > >>>> Lsdj > > >>>> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > > >>>> Psykoral - Raven > > >>>> Tyme -Raven > > >>>> Celsius - Projekt 9 > > >>>> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > > >>>> > > >>>> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > > >>>> Pete Nice W/ > > >>>> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > > >>>> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > > >>>> KAOS > > >>>> DRSK > > >>>> TICAL > > >>>> Nick > > >>>> http://www.core-nrg.net > > >>>> http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> "Those who stand for nothing fall for > > anything." > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > michal migurski > > mike@cloudfactory.org > > > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > > > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > We're lying in the gutter, but we're > > looking > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-942088327-994964267=:22814-- From sfraves-return-68571-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:58:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41231 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:58:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41219 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:58:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712185821.52662.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:58:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jungle Bunny To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 16th-25th Hello, can anyone suggest a party going on anywhere from the 16th to the 25th?? I want to go before I have to go on my family vacation *argh*. Preferrably with good jungle, and maybe some trance. I am taking some friends with me and I want to show them a good time. I really don't want to go to a club, and nothing ending before about 4am if possible. Any help is greatly appreciated. And any UG's would be superb! Much love and respect, Kari ===== "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - That's my Bush __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68572-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:59:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42701 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:59:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42691 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:59:07 -0000 Message-ID: <00b701c10b05$29f33030$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "leslie ayres" , "sf" References: <20010712184928.UMIU26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:02:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! This is the last time I will say this...I'm not apart of this party. I'm helping Kevin. This is his party. I am apart of UVT but I do not throw parties under UVT. Kevin will always have me help and support but he is on his own now. And to answer your question molly mush the party was call all one. All I'm going to say is look at the flyer if you want to make something out of nothing go ahead I'm done. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "leslie ayres" To: "sf" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! this isn't a private email -- it's to the list. the others you're receiving were copies of what was sent to the list, that's how "reply all" works. i'm confused, though, nick. can you clarify please? for the record, i mean. all of your emails say you are part of unity vibe tribe by listing that url in your signature -- you posted a bsp for unity vibe tribe, then you posted a response to the question about clothing profiling with a message that uses the words "we" "we" and "we" --- and now you say you have nothing to do with this party (other than helping with it and booking djs)? if you represent yourself as unity vibe tribe, then you are. if you're just posing as part of this crew, that's an interesting scenario. and if you can't tell the difference or you think you can choose when you are and when you aren't.... you may want to reconsider that. leslie >For the record...This is not my party. I have nothing to do with this party >other than helping Kevin and booking some dj's. Please do not talk to me >about this party because I do not care. If you have anything to say to Kevin >then email Kevin and stop sending me all these private emails. > >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Douglas Fraser" >To: "leslie ayres" ; "sf" >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:20 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >> well, you see, as it was explained to me at the >> Connecting the Bay party, I don't get invited to the >> good parties cause i dress like a banker and don't >> wear Northface. Kari (are you still here?) warned >> me, but I didn't believe her (or she explained it >> to me afterwards). At least I wasn't accused of being >> a cop. I ought to go to this party to see if I do... >> >> Doug >> >> --- leslie ayres wrote: >> > oh, now i understand. >> > >> > i better not wear my giants jacket, cuz that's what >> > the thugs wear. and here >> > i love it so much, having purchased it at spring >> > training years ago, and >> > being such a baseball fan. >> > >> > oh, and i better tell my friend steve not to wear >> > his favorite hockey shirt, >> > because he's just showing himself as a criminal, >> > even though he's really a >> > woodworker and a yoga teacher. dead giveaway. >> > >> > dude, the last time i saw someone get mugged by a >> > thug, the thug was wearing >> > black pants and a black sweatshirt. his buddies were >> > too. >> > >> > this is completely ridiculous. if you don't want >> > "thug type people" at your >> > party, then promote to people who aren't thugs and >> > widen your circle of >> > friends. but dictating what people wear is so out of >> > line that i can't even >> > believe you'd think of it. >> > >> > and i'm sure that the "thugs" you're worried about >> > are checking your website >> > for the approved clothing list. right. making a rule >> > like this means you >> > have to enforce it. with everyone. even those cool >> > kids who drove 50 miles >> > to come to the party.... >> > >> > right, i can see it now: "hi, welcome to unity vibe >> > tribe, we're all about >> > creating a positive vibe, we have a freedom garden, >> > but you can't come in >> > because we don't approve of your clothes. go home >> > now" >> > >> > think about it, dude. what's next, no shaved heads? >> > no earrings? no tattoos? >> > no ethnic minorities? you are way over the line on >> > this one. >> > >> > leslie >> > >> > >> > >> > >>I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do >> > not want any thug type >> > >>people at the party. We are asking that people not >> > wear clothing >> > >>associated with sports teams. No football base >> > ball or hockey jerseys. >> > >>Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry >> > again for the >> > >>miscommunication. >> > >> >> > >>Nick >> > >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> > >>http://www.core-nrg.net >> > >>----- Original Message ----- >> > >>From: "leslie ayres" >> > >>To: "sf" >> > >>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >> > >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe >> > Tribe invite you once again >> > >>to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an >> > underground rave collective with a >> > >>dress code... that prohibits some of the most >> > common and comfortable clothes >> > >>that ravers wear. hmmmm. >> > >> >> > >>makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, >> > doesn't it? >> > >> >> > >>profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't >> > go to a club that doesn't >> > >>allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme >> > than that. >> > >> >> > >>leslie >> > >> >> > >>---------- >> > >>Lydia wrote: >> > >> >> > >>>Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I >> > can't wear my visor/ sports >> > >>>bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my >> > favorite outfit! >> > >>> >> > >>>Peace, >> > >>>Lydia >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>>Eckö wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>>> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to >> > reunite as all one. Within >> > >>>in the past couple of years our Scene has taken >> > major turns, some in which >> > >>>have blinded the true vision of our social >> > gatherings events. >> > >>>> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe >> > between those that we know and >> > >>>those we just met. >> > >>>> This year the UVT invites all those that have >> > been urging to let out >> > >>>their inner soul, escape within the dance floor >> > and express their self >> > >>>through out the pleasure of dance. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced >> > tickets to guarantee your >> > >>>place at this >> > >>>> Re-Union >> > >>>> No Sports attire >> > >>>> $20.00 advanced tickets >> > >>>> Virgin Indoor out door venue >> > >>>> 100% fully permitted. >> > >>>> 9:00pm till 8:00am >> > >>>> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, >> > Face painting, Energy >> > >>juices, >> > >>>> And Aliens. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >> > >>>> Richard Summerhayes >> > >>>> Jazz-e uvt new resident >> > >>>> Jim Hopkins -uvt >> > >>>> Eric Michelle-uvt >> > >>>> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >> > >>>> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >> > >>>> Melanie-love sf >> > >>>> Introducing: Justin Kauai >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Area 2 Circle of love: >> > >>>> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >> > >>>> Allen Octavo-FGE >> > >>>> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >> > >>>> Lsdj >> > >>>> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >> > >>>> Psykoral - Raven >> > >>>> Tyme -Raven >> > >>>> Celsius - Projekt 9 >> > >>>> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >> > >>>> Pete Nice W/ >> > >>>> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >> > >>>> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >> > >>>> KAOS >> > >>>> DRSK >> > >>>> TICAL >> > >>>> Nick >> > >>>> http://www.core-nrg.net >> > >>>> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >>>> "Those who stand for nothing fall for >> > anything." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68573-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 18:59:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43992 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 18:59:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43982 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 18:59:27 -0000 Message-ID: <00fb01c10b05$20f8c1c0$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: "Mike Migurski" Cc: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole of a venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how absolutely DISGUSTING that place was! Ahhh the memories! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "Greg Sandler" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > The Acme!!! > > ... > > Did I win? > > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE > >information? > > > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > > > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the > >right answer! > > > >Peace and love, > > > >Greg Sandler > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68574-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:00:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45552 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:00:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45542 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:00:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712190031.84054.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Jamie Murray , Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sf raves In-Reply-To: <20010712185222.89811.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-818742519-994964431=:82357" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS --0-818742519-994964431=:82357 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hehe, or how about sfr laminates? I've been on sfr for 3 years and still have yet to receive one of these famous laminates, has there been any laminates produced lately? Jess Jamie Murray wrote: Why stickes? why not buttons so you can wear them over and over and over again. ^.~ --- Ari Gordon-Schlosberg wrote: > I will be in attendance at Focus. Looks like it > will be a funass time. > I'll be the large 6'4" guy with the yellow glasses. > I'm not sure what I'm > wearing yet. If you see, say hello. > > This whole meeting up thing has gotten me thinking: > what would people > think if there were SFR stickers that you could buy > online from somewhere > that you could then wear to a party. That way we > would know who we are and > could introduce ourselves anywhere in the party > instead of just at some > designated meeting spot. It also reduces > coordination, as you don't even > need a meeting spot if everyone is just nicely > labelled. > > I'm thinking something like those oval stickers that > you see on the back of > cars that have the European country abbreviations on > them. Of course, they > would be done up in colors that look good under a > black light. > > Something (and this is really rough) like this: > > http://wwn.nebcorp.com/~regs/SFR.gif > > Thoughts? > > -- > Ari there is no spoon > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-818742519-994964431=:82357-- From sfraves-return-68575-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:01:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47738 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:01:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47728 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:01:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712190149.8353.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Greg Sandler , Mike Migurski Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <00fb01c10b05$20f8c1c0$1101000a@litterbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-687015690-994964509=:7005" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? --0-687015690-994964509=:7005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've never been to the Acme, but it can't be worse than 2nd & J, can it guys? If so, then wow, you old schoolers are hard core dirty birdies. J Greg Sandler wrote: HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole of a venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how absolutely DISGUSTING that place was! Ahhh the memories! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "Greg Sandler" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > The Acme!!! > > ... > > Did I win? > > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE > >information? > > > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > > > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the > >right answer! > > > >Peace and love, > > > >Greg Sandler > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-687015690-994964509=:7005-- From sfraves-return-68576-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:03:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53004 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:03:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52994 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:03:40 -0000 Message-ID: <012301c10b05$b987a0a0$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Cc: References: <20010712190149.8353.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:06:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011D_01C10ACB.0A1D0F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? ------=_NextPart_000_011D_01C10ACB.0A1D0F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Worse than 2nd and Jax?!?!? HA HA!!! The ACME made 2nd and Jax look like = a PALACE!!!=20 That is too funny! Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jess ica=20 To: Greg Sandler ; Mike Migurski=20 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org=20 Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? I've never been to the Acme, but it can't be worse than 2nd & J, can = it guys? If so, then wow, you old schoolers are hard core dirty = birdies.=20 J=20 Greg Sandler wrote:=20 HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit = hole of a venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how = absolutely DISGUSTING that place was! Ahhh the memories! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski"=20 To: "Greg Sandler"=20 Cc:=20 Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > The Acme!!! > > ... > > Did I win? > > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 = VENUE > >information? > > > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > > > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to = take > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets = the > >right answer! > > > >Peace and love, > > > >Greg Sandler > > > > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > = --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_011D_01C10ACB.0A1D0F40-- From sfraves-return-68577-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:08:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60415 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:08:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60405 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:08:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.253.61] From: "larry melman" To: ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:08:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 19:08:17.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[01D721F0:01C10B06] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >From: "Greg Sandler" >Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" >To: "Mike Migurski" >CC: >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:51 -0700 > >HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! > >Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole of >a >venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how absolutely >DISGUSTING that place was! > >Ahhh the memories! > >Greg >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Migurski" >To: "Greg Sandler" >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > > > > The Acme!!! > > > > ... > > > > Did I win? > > > > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE > > >information? > > > > > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > > > > > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take > > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the > > >right answer! > > > > > >Peace and love, > > > > > >Greg Sandler > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > Hmmmmmm, How about treasure island or perhaps one of the unused piers along the east side of sf? too many to number but maybe where they just had the vans warped tour? Ian Koe Closer productions _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68578-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:14:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67947 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:14:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67937 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:14:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.20.56.38] From: "Macadio G." To: ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:14:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 19:14:00.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEA3DFC0:01C10B06] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? One of the best Harmony parties I ever attended was at that very space!! aww the memories of when parties just plain went off!! People moving an grooving to the beats Before all this candy and panzie trendy trance phase.. Just hard primitive tribal beats and the energy of the crowd was just insane maybe it was because it was a small cramped space or maybe just a different mind set of people back then. But that was a great party!! Peace, Macadio >From: "Greg Sandler" >Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" >To: "Mike Migurski" >CC: >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:51 -0700 > >HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! > >Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole of >a >venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how absolutely >DISGUSTING that place was! > >Ahhh the memories! > >Greg >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Migurski" >To: "Greg Sandler" >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > > > > The Acme!!! > > > > ... > > > > Did I win? > > > > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE > > >information? > > > > > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > > > > > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take > > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the > > >right answer! > > > > > >Peace and love, > > > > > >Greg Sandler > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68579-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:23:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81563 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:23:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81552 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:23:10 -0000 From: "G Sauce" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , "leslie ayres" , "sf" Cc: "f8" , Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:27:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! You guys are haters. You guys remind me of the oakland rookie cops that shot the undercover cop last year. He was wearing a sweatshirt and jeans. Their excuse for gunning him down was "he was dressed like a suspect." pigs how do you expect to create unity by excluding different elements of society ? this unity vibe tribe name is just hype. it is a lie. You guys are all about unity for rich white raver kids. Fuck everyone else right. Is Kenneth's "hip hop girlfriend" allowed to come? -----Original Message----- From: Eckö [mailto:ecko37@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:30 AM To: leslie ayres; sf Cc: f8; kevikev420@aol.com Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing associated with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adidas and everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "leslie ayres" To: "sf" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable clothes that ravers wear. hmmmm. makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. leslie ---------- Lydia wrote: >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! > >Peace, >Lydia > > >Eckö wrote: > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and >those we just met. >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >through out the pleasure of dance. >> >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your >place at this >> Re-Union >> No Sports attire >> $20.00 advanced tickets >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >> 100% fully permitted. >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy juices, >> And Aliens. >> >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >> Richard Summerhayes >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >> Eric Michelle-uvt >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >> Melanie-love sf >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >> >> Area 2 Circle of love: >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >> Allen Octavo-FGE >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >> Lsdj >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >> Psykoral - Raven >> Tyme -Raven >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG >> >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >> Pete Nice W/ >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >> KAOS >> DRSK >> TICAL >> Nick >> http://www.core-nrg.net >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68580-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:25:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87550 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:25:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87483 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:25:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712192506.16803.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr - beautiful, beautiful bikes! sorry for the intrusion but, even if you don't like motorcycles, you need to look at theis guys work http://www.arlenness.com/mainindex.html ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68581-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:25:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87743 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:25:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87606 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:25:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: ecko37@pacbell.net, leslie.ayres@sflnc.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:24:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 19:24:43.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D7F8050:01C10B08] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >go ahead I'm done. promise? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68582-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:27:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95507 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:27:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95480 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:27:36 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.21] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:27:08 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 19:27:08.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[A414B930:01C10B08] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Thank You from Stereophonik Wow, Thanks guys for the support last night, alot of old faces came out and it was good! You all made the night for us. I also want to thank Terry of Viberation for the visuals. That guy has got a lot of strange thoughts runnig through that gourd of his, but it transalates of so well to the visual medium. and... Can't forget Amber, rocking the crowd with that hard shit, hope to see you out at our little happening a bit more often. Lastly, How 'bout that DDR! Slamming! F'ed up beats that got your ass moving and shaking! A nice bloke too if ya got the chance to tallk to him. We got more for you coming too, this next week, We bring you DJ D! ad a little ARA, a cup of Leon Cook, and just a sprinkling of Owen for a nice NRG soup. Come on out, everybody is welcome. My head hurts Blair STEREOPHONIK _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68583-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:29:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98786 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:29:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98776 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:29:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: deepfog@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:24:32 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! 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Have a nice day. ========================================================================== Thanks to "Andy Wyszkowski" for use of this form. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68584-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:32:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4427 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:32:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4414 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:32:13 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Sfraves" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:22:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C10ACD.46AB7620" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Dress Codes ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C10ACD.46AB7620 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0019_01C10ACD.46B49DE0" ------=_NextPart_001_0019_01C10ACD.46B49DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BaxterHey i'm throwin a tiny UG in LA on Saturday. So tiny it doesnt even have a name =) But anyways, if any SFRavers wanna come down (road trip!), i still have room in my car, or we can convoy (for sake of it being a UG, better if we do it that way than give directions--i had a bad experience with Ravelinks and 20 cop cars in the desert once). It's a free party, but we have extremely limited occupancy, so get to me soon if u wanna come coz i'll start cutting off when it gets too big. All that i ask is that u drop in a donation for the EMDEF (Electronic Music Defense and Education Fund) when ur there. Best of all, there is NO DRESS CODE!!! Yes, you can even wear a Giants shirt, (but i wouldnt recommend bringin it to LA)! .:playlist:. nomadicDJ (trance/progressive) MisterSkinner (cyber) Jair-e (melodic trance) CurEous (happycore) Peter Sonix (trance) and more. This party is OPEN DECKS, so if anyone wants to bring their vinyl, please do so!! .:nomadic:. (www.nomadicDJ.com) For more info on the EMDEF go to www.emdef.org. ------=_NextPart_001_0019_01C10ACD.46B49DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Baxter
Hey i'm throwin a tiny UG in LA on = Saturday.  So tiny it doesnt even have a name =3D)  But = anyways, if any=20 SFRavers wanna come down (road trip!), i still have room in my car, or = we can=20 convoy (for sake of it being a UG, better if we do it that way than give = directions--i had a bad experience with Ravelinks and 20 cop cars in the = desert=20 once).  It's a free party, but we have extremely limited occupancy, = so get=20 to me soon if u wanna come coz i'll start cutting off when it gets too=20 big.  All that i ask is that u drop in a donation for the = EMDEF=20 (Electronic Music Defense and Education Fund) when ur there.  Best = of all,=20 there is NO DRESS CODE!!!  Yes, you can even wear a Giants shirt, = (but i=20 wouldnt recommend bringin it to LA)!
 
.:playlist:.
nomadicDJ = (trance/progressive)
MisterSkinner (cyber)
Jair-e (melodic = trance)
CurEous (happycore)
Peter Sonix (trance)
and more.
 
This party is OPEN DECKS, so if = anyone wants=20 to bring their vinyl, please do so!!

.:nomadic:.
(www.nomadicDJ.com)

For more info on the = EMDEF go to www.emdef.org. =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0019_01C10ACD.46B49DE0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C10ACD.46AB7620-- From sfraves-return-68585-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:33:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5999 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:33:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5987 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:33:05 -0000 From: "G Sauce" To: "Greg Sandler" , Cc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:37:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <012301c10b05$b987a0a0$1101000a@litterbox> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? The acme had an open elevator shaft sometimes where you could fall into the basement. The acme had a room underneath the place that you would definately die in if there was a fire. That place was dirty and sweaty and narrow with narrow long stariways that would always be full of people. Funny thing tho. Back in 1995 i was working the door at acme and an undercover cop came and wanted to check out the party. He looked around and said "are you guys charging at the door." we said "no way man" this is a private party. He said "i will come back later to check things out." and he never came back. Things were alot different with the cops back then. g -----Original Message----- From: Greg Sandler [mailto:ascend@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:06 PM To: thatpisces@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? Worse than 2nd and Jax?!?!? HA HA!!! The ACME made 2nd and Jax look like a PALACE!!! That is too funny! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jess ica To: Greg Sandler ; Mike Migurski Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? I've never been to the Acme, but it can't be worse than 2nd & J, can it guys? If so, then wow, you old schoolers are hard core dirty birdies. J Greg Sandler wrote: HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole of a venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how absolutely DISGUSTING that place was! Ahhh the memories! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "Greg Sandler" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > The Acme!!! > > ... > > Did I win? > > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE > >information? > > > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > > > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the > >right answer! > > > >Peace and love, > > > >Greg Sandler > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68586-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:33:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8545 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:33:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8515 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:33:48 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.240.243.21] From: "James Casper" To: whoosenation@hotmail.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:33:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 19:33:14.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E81EDE0:01C10B09] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? All I gotta say is! you want dirty I think 85th and Baldwin was dirty! the first Area 51 I came out Looking like pigPen adn its was BAD ASS LOL but umm yea! word James *casper* >From: "larry melman" >To: ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:08:16 -0700 > > > > >>From: "Greg Sandler" >>Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" >>To: "Mike Migurski" >>CC: >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:51 -0700 >> >>HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! >> >>Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole of >>a >>venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how absolutely >>DISGUSTING that place was! >> >>Ahhh the memories! >> >>Greg >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mike Migurski" >>To: "Greg Sandler" >>Cc: >>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >> >> >> > The Acme!!! >> > >> > ... >> > >> > Did I win? >> > >> > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE >> > >information? >> > > >> > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File >> > >documents, which will release the Venue information... >> > > >> > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take >> > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the >> > >right answer! >> > > >> > >Peace and love, >> > > >> > >Greg Sandler >> > > >> > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org >> > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski >> > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >Hmmmmmm, > >How about treasure island or perhaps one of the unused piers along the east >side of sf? too many to number but maybe >where they just had the vans warped tour? > >Ian Koe >Closer productions >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68587-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:40:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15167 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:40:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15150 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:40:14 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4DFD93.FCEA9FE5@home.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:42:13 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eck=F6?= CC: leslie ayres , sf References: <20010712184928.UMIU26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> <00b701c10b05$29f33030$100110ac@thenoid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Oh yeah! All OnE (All On E)! You mean that party which was supposed to be held in the nasty, ghetto, dirty Novato military base which DJ Ice supposedly had "permits" for even after his own party was busted? And oh wow, what a surprise it was busted as well. Reminder to promoters: Do not throw parties where there is lots of loose fiberglass. It is very hard and painful to breathe not to mention it is extremely itchy. I'm sure there are some long term damages that we cannot see as well. I guess you'd have to be an idiot to do that in the first place... :Lydia: P.S. I always thought you were the one who was in charge of UVT? How come whenever there is a problem you back out and lay the responsibility on everyone else involved? I feel sorry for all of the people working with you... Why do they do it? Eckö wrote: > This is the last time I will say this...I'm not apart of this party. I'm > helping Kevin. This is his party. I am apart of UVT but I do not throw > parties under UVT. Kevin will always have me help and support but he is on > his own now. And to answer your question molly mush the party was call all > one. All I'm going to say is look at the flyer if you want to make something > out of nothing go ahead I'm done. > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68588-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:44:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21187 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:44:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21174 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:44:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:44:17 -0700 (PDT) From: c rognlie X-Sender: reflex@teach.ic.ucsc.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 1200 for sale Technics 1200 M3D, still factory packaged and taped. $400 obo. Please respond via private email. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68589-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:53:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36191 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:53:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36180 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:53:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712195355.13831.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] more obviousness and bitching nrr i never like the kinds of people who harass me in the name of "love", because they are practicing being in the presense of a beautiful woman. they will go so far as to tell huge stories, and maybe even be sort of attempting to be romantic with me for about 15 minutes at the most...i honestly cannot say that they are emotionally alert and present for that long even though... maybe a second or two, and then they black out and sort of come back to consciousness for a second or two....maybe we have sex or something ( i have been involved in long term relationships with people like that), and then i don't hear from them for a while, and when i do, they are really unpleasant towards me, and that is because they are busy running around trying to find another beautiful girl to conquer. i always know this without them saying so. the worst part is when they come back to me, and they are totally frustrated that i am not interested in their marriage proposal. disgusting. and totally scene and life relevant. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68590-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 19:54:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38341 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 19:54:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38329 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 19:54:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712195436.34839.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: girlcat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] what is this about a 2am curfew? i saw something about a 2am curfew but i didn't quite understand the original message. what is this about? monicat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68591-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:00:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47516 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:00:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47504 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:00:07 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01c10b0e$41ab2f30$1d8af7d1@brak> From: "Emily Edwards" To: "SFR" References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:07:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick pisses some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right now. THE PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn everyone...I know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and it isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the safety of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be treated like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated with this party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, please have a good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated food, clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's lost more than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. It's hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever aspect of your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One last comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't even comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring it up again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a stronger attack...This is lame...let it die. Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is trying to make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. ~*Emily*~ www.core-nrg.net Freedom defined is freedom denied... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68592-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:08:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57366 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:08:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57356 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:08:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712200804.26814.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Blair O'Malley , frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-860194858-994968484=:24316" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Thank You from Stereophonik --0-860194858-994968484=:24316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow is right. The dancefloor was full of smiles and pumping fists last night, if a stranger were to walk in off the streets they would find the epitome of Stereophonic, damn good energy out there last night. What a way to celebrate a year! In an effort to give credit where credit is deserved, you stereo guys rock, and DDR's performance last night just topped off a year of your hard work and dedication, so congrats on the club, from the looks on our faces last night, I'm sure you know you are appreciated. and oh yes, the viberation visuals kick major ass and make a HUGE difference on the dance floor. It is so nice to be able to actually look at something interesting while dancing, and get lost in another world that completely flows with the music. What a blessing, thank you. Damon digging out tracks from the penny on the needle, its 4am and we need beer days....fuk yea man. "uh...guys, I think we have a problem on our hands, Jess is stuck in the trance room..." Jbo Blair O'Malley wrote: Wow, Thanks guys for the support last night, alot of old faces came out and it was good! You all made the night for us. I also want to thank Terry of Viberation for the visuals. That guy has got a lot of strange thoughts runnig through that gourd of his, but it transalates of so well to the visual medium. and... Can't forget Amber, rocking the crowd with that hard shit, hope to see you out at our little happening a bit more often. Lastly, How 'bout that DDR! Slamming! F'ed up beats that got your ass moving and shaking! A nice bloke too if ya got the chance to tallk to him. We got more for you coming too, this next week, We bring you DJ D! ad a little ARA, a cup of Leon Cook, and just a sprinkling of Owen for a nice NRG soup. Come on out, everybody is welcome. My head hurts Blair STEREOPHONIK _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-860194858-994968484=:24316-- From sfraves-return-68593-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:09:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60642 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:09:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60609 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:09:52 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:09:35 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010712200943.XWCN26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? i'm with you there macadio -- the acme warehouse was one of my favorite spaces ever -- i have musical memories there that are hard to rival (garth working his set to a climate that was almost physical, polywog playing close encounters, soulstice live in the upstairs back room). and the staircase, where you got up close and personal with the folks winding their way in the other direction, that's where i first met boomerang (right peter?) yeah, it was a firetrap, that's for sure. but one that i hold close in my heart. ah, the acme. leslie >One of the best Harmony parties I ever attended was at that very space!! > >aww the memories of when parties just plain went off!! People moving an >grooving to the beats Before all this candy and panzie trendy trance phase.. >Just hard primitive tribal beats and the energy of the crowd was just insane >maybe it was because it was a small cramped space or maybe just a different >mind set of people back then. But that was a great party!! > >Peace, >Macadio > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68594-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:13:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66468 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:13:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66458 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:13:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [15.255.104.11] From: "rachel fulton" To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" , "Deepfog" References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:12:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 20:12:49.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[0618D430:01C10B0F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! You forgot to end it with...............PLUR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deepfog" To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! 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This weeks wonderful guests will be the one and only: ((SirNod)) ((&)) ((Shane)) Tune in or else,,dun dun DUNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!! ****Also there will be no show next week due to SONIC MANIPULATIONS, but hopefully we can rebroadcast these 6hrs of madness on Friday. This event is free and in SF so you all should come over and check it out!!!! Sonic Manipulations Thursday 19th every third Thursday 8pm-2am!!! FREE FREE FREE (but presents are always nice;) DJ's in order Seraphim Anuerysm Plateshifter Satellite Visuals by Terbo Ted Edinburgh Castle 950 Geary @ Polk SF enjoy the signal Lisa Fox --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68596-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:21:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78805 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:21:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78795 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:21:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.198.47] From: "K Gray" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:21:25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 20:21:25.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[39811E30:01C10B10] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Doug explains: >wear Northface. Kari (are you still here?) warned >me, but I didn't believe her (or she explained it >to me afterwards). Actually, James' exact quote was: "If we are undercover ravers, then Doug is the French Resistance." rave on, geriatric, undercover-raver parents! K _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68597-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:27:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86798 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:27:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86788 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:27:32 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:27:17 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010712202724.YOZI26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] oops > (garth >working his set to a climate that was almost physical oops. that would be... "garth working his set to a CLIMAX that was almost physical" though that little hotbox dance room did create a little climate of its own. leslie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68598-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92127 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:29:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92093 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:29:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010712200943.XWCN26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves]ACME/AREA 51 VENUE INFO? Being on the top floor and being able to look through the cracks in the floor and see the other dancers, wondering in your head, wow this floor could collapse at any second. Being in the bassment and having water drip down and think it's prolly just the sweat and then notice that the bathroom is right above were you are sitting. Standing out side in the morning looking at the building and notice that it looks like the biggest earthquake hazard you have ever scene in your life. ACme Rocked!!! Ya, I had good time there that is for sure; however, when the parties were too packed in, it was NOT fun, Too hot, couldn't dance, couldn't even move. That space was fit for around 700+, not OVer 1,000. jahsh On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, leslie ayres wrote: > i'm with you there macadio -- the acme warehouse was one of my favorite > spaces ever -- i have musical memories there that are hard to rival (garth > working his set to a climate that was almost physical, polywog playing close > encounters, soulstice live in the upstairs back room). and the staircase, > where you got up close and personal with the folks winding their way in the > other direction, that's where i first met boomerang (right peter?) > > yeah, it was a firetrap, that's for sure. but one that i hold close in my > heart. ah, the acme. > > leslie > > > > >One of the best Harmony parties I ever attended was at that very space!! > > > >aww the memories of when parties just plain went off!! People moving an > >grooving to the beats Before all this candy and panzie trendy trance phase.. > >Just hard primitive tribal beats and the energy of the crowd was just insane > >maybe it was because it was a small cramped space or maybe just a different > >mind set of people back then. But that was a great party!! > > > >Peace, > >Macadio > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68599-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:35:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 368 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:35:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 352 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:35:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.175.32.33] From: "Brian - THUMP Radio" To: simplyunderground@hotmail.com, whoosenation@hotmail.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:34:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 20:34:54.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B8914D0:01C10B12] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? all i gotta say is i KNOW where it is gonna be and everyone in the whole city should be so stoked - it's gonna be ridamndiculous!!! greg and dutch are true to the old school of the sf dance scene. if you want to see an intelligent mind blowing production, DO NOT MISS AREA 51. if you want "rave in a box" massives with terrible production by people who haven't been throwing parties in sf for 12 years like greg and dutch, then save your time and money for another faceless massive. wait to you see the venue! :) -brian PS - sun project will steal the show. trust me. >From: "James Casper" >To: whoosenation@hotmail.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:33:14 -0700 > >All I gotta say is! > >you want dirty I think 85th and Baldwin was dirty! >the first Area 51 I came out Looking like pigPen >adn its was BAD ASS LOL >but umm yea! > > >word > >James *casper* > > >>From: "larry melman" >>To: ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org >>CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:08:16 -0700 >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Greg Sandler" >>>Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" >>>To: "Mike Migurski" >>>CC: >>>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >>>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:51 -0700 >>> >>>HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! >>> >>>Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole >>>of >>>a >>>venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how >>>absolutely >>>DISGUSTING that place was! >>> >>>Ahhh the memories! >>> >>>Greg >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Mike Migurski" >>>To: "Greg Sandler" >>>Cc: >>>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM >>>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >>> >>> >>> > The Acme!!! >>> > >>> > ... >>> > >>> > Did I win? >>> > >>> > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE >>> > >information? >>> > > >>> > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File >>> > >documents, which will release the Venue information... >>> > > >>> > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take >>> > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the >>> > >right answer! >>> > > >>> > >Peace and love, >>> > > >>> > >Greg Sandler >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org >>> > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski >>> > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >>> > >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >>> > >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>Hmmmmmm, >> >>How about treasure island or perhaps one of the unused piers along the >>east >>side of sf? too many to number but maybe >>where they just had the vans warped tour? >> >>Ian Koe >>Closer productions >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68600-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:39:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4593 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:39:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4581 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:39:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712203857.82218.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Jackson To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, Greg Sandler , Mike Migurski Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010712190149.8353.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-735121410-994970337=:77117" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? --0-735121410-994970337=:77117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hahahahahahaha! If you only knew. It was so small and confined (just one tiny floor after another) and it had really, really poor ventilation. On New Year's Eve in '95 (I think it was Begin Again), the walls and the ceilings were literally dripping with sweat; there was so much condensation. I still remember cleaning up after a Harmony party there in early '96. We didn't have any dust pans (or very, very few), so we had to just scoop the garbage up with our fingers. I would've given anything for a pair of gloves. It was absolutely disgusting. Ah. Memories... Jamie Jess ica wrote: I've never been to the Acme, but it can't be worse than 2nd & J, can it guys? If so, then wow, you old schoolers are hard core dirty birdies. J Greg Sandler wrote: HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole of a venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how absolutely DISGUSTING that place was! Ahhh the memories! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "Greg Sandler" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > The Acme!!! > > ... > > Did I win? > > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE > >information? > > > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > > > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the > >right answer! > > > >Peace and love, > > > >Greg Sandler > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-735121410-994970337=:77117-- From sfraves-return-68601-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:40:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7958 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:40:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7934 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:40:13 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.29] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: kgb@dreamscape.org, RUENONE@aol.com, frequency-8@squinky.org, djd-list@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:39:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 20:39:44.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[C853DA60:01C10B12] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) Alright, I had attended something similar in Los Angeles this past year. Same situation (almost) and at the same building. First off, those guys down in LA do not mess around when it comes to their right to dance and free speech. People came from all points of southern california, including bakersfield. Thousands of people everywhere dancing to the sounds of moontribe. I suggest we do something similar like this up here so we can have the right to dance and free speech whenever we want and have no limitations as to when we can and can not dance. I am willing to help and protest against city hall to abolish the 2am curfew! Let me know how I may help. Peace, Aaron >From: Kenneth Bice >To: , frequency-8 , djd-list >, SF Raves List , >ravenproductions list >Subject: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD17278A00194004374CD1855316053B0; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:14 -0700 >Received: (qmail 89063 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 >Received: (qmail 89053 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-68546-aaronhdixon Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:29 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >In-Reply-To: <92.174f780a.287f2be5@aol.com> >Message-ID: >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >Hey I myself am all for a march on city hall. >The party kids marched in canada... >I think that the 2am curfew is totall b.s. >and I will be one of the first to march. >Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there >anyone out there with the guts to march on >city hall? Any thoughts, come on people??? >Put in some your thoughts! > >laterz >kenneth > >On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 RUENONE@aol.com wrote: > > > Lets all comply nicely with the law enforcement....sure..ill be right >here > > playing a phat tribal-tech set as the sun comes up and all the sheep are >fast > > asleep...Oh and Ill be dancing too..And when someone tells me to turn my > > music down, they better duck and watch out for speaker shrapnel, cuz' im > > blowing bass bins and making the walls crumble...Cops and the media >shouldn't > > be at parties unless they stand in line and pay like everyone else..What >ever > > happened to the good old days of rebellion? Dont want my party going >past 2 > > at a fully permitted venue? Well then I'll have Sammy the Slugger put on >his > > steel toes and kick down that warehouse door..This is becoming the sissy >bay! > > If i wanna have a party, im gonna have one...If "freedom to assemble" >doesnt > > protect us anymore then i dont know what does! When is the next rally at >City > > Hall..??? RIGHT TO DANCE NOW!!! TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!! > > CURFEWS ARE SUPPRESSING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68602-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:45:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16786 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:45:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16764 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:45:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.175] From: "innocentchild" To: "Emily Edwards" , "SFR" References: <20010712065818.YPKA26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> <002e01c10aef$dc18d140$100110ac@thenoid> <003b01c10b0e$41ab2f30$1d8af7d1@brak> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:43:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 20:44:40.0060 (UTC) FILETIME=[78B693C0:01C10B13] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Given that Nick always represents himself as part of UVT and Core:NRG he's responsible for the image that he portrays of himself and those groups. Here's a parallel for you... If you work at something like a Blockbuster Video that has a uniform you're representing the company and it's image. Should you go out to get some food and talk trash at the place people see you as someone from Blockbuster and the image of that store is changed in those people's minds. Same thing goes here with SFR. When you add these affiliations to your signiture file people associate you with a certain group of people and the image of that group. I see Nick I think UVT. I see Jeremey Bispo I think ASR. I see Shane I think Epiphany and so on. If a member of your group posts info to a major list like this and has the groups name associated with that individual people on the list will see that member as a represntitive. That's what's happening with Nick right now. He posted the info for the UVT party while previously associating himself as a big part of UVT. To say that he has nothing to do with this and don't yell at me is sad. Joining a group to throw parties for whatever reason means you're committing to that group and act as a representitive of that group regardless of your level of involvement. If Nick is a part of UVT like he's always said then he should stand up for what his group means to him and not shy away from the email that's being sent right now. If this kevikev420 guy is the one in charge or has the info on this all, then Nick should be a proxy to SFR unless that individual is on the list. SFR sees Nick as UVT. He's the voice of UVT on SFR. He didn't make the rules for this party nor is he heading up this party, but he needs to relay the information from the person who *is* so that all this missinformation can be alleviated. To continue that Blockbuster analogy Nick can always take the annoyed customer and hand them off to the manager and say *not my problem* which is what seems to have occured. Hooray for retail parties! ryan.bailey sninesix.design www.viberation.com/ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Edwards" To: "SFR" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick pisses > some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right now. THE > PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn everyone...I > know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and it > isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the safety > of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be treated > like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated with this > party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, please have a > good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated food, > clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's lost more > than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. It's > hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever aspect of > your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One last > comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't even > comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring it up > again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a stronger > attack...This is lame...let it die. > > Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is trying to > make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > > ~*Emily*~ > www.core-nrg.net > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68603-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:49:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23419 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:49:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23408 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:49:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.175] From: "innocentchild" To: "Greg Sandler" , References: <00a601c10b02$543b5820$1101000a@litterbox> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:47:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 20:48:51.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E61DAB0:01C10B14] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? I hear rumors, but they're just rumors... A certain pier by Kelly's Mission Rock is the whisper to the wind. r ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Sandler" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE information? Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue information... Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the right answer! Peace and love, Greg Sandler --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68604-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:50:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24893 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:50:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24883 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:50:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:45:23 -0700 (PDT) From: tina pruett To: leslie ayres , sf Message-id: <7476470.994970723423.JavaMail.MoonChyId@gomailjtp02> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! first off, thank god you're back on the list leslie! second, nick that is shady to pass it over to kevin just because you want t= o avoid dealing with the issues... i'd be pretty pissed if i was helping so= meone throw a party and they turned around and was like "oh yeah anyone who= doesn't like the shady aspects or our production, talk to tina..." take re= sponsibility, when you are part of a crew, you are part of every action tha= t you make as a collective group. if you don't like the rule, you should ha= ve either said, hey let's try and find a space that doesn't require this, o= r siad ok guys i'm not going to support this rule...=20 you continue to act more and more childish and irresponsible at every turn.= your responded to all the complaints about your zero-tollerance drug polic= y with name calling, and shit talking, now you are placing the blame for so= mething that you have just as much part in on someone else since they aren'= t on the list and you think it will make you look like the innocent repress= ed kid who's just along for the ride. =20 if you think passing the responsibility on to someone else will make anyone= respect you more, or see you in less of a negative light, you are dead wro= ng. try standing up and admitting to your actions... or maybe you can't si= nce you know that you are making an arbitrary discrimination against people= , and i should hope you can't defend that action. although, at this point, = i doubt i'd be surprised at anything that comes out of your mouth. UTV as an entire production company has made the agreement with the space o= wner, as part of that crew you have made that agreement. it is pretty simpl= e. =20 ok, time to go back into temporary lurk mode... one more week until i'm par= t time again... love and hugs and kisses, tina -----Original Message----- From: "leslie ayres" To: "sf" Date: Thu Jul 12 11:18:37 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again= to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >feel free to forward this to whoever you feel appropriate -- but it's my >belief that it is the responsibility of a promoter to negotiate appropriat= e >rules and restrictions with a venue owner. and it is your party, nick. >saying you have no power about it is ridiculous. > >sometimes explaining what our scene is about -- and what is not about -- >takes some careful conversation, and an understanding of the other >perspective. > >if i were talking to a venue owner who made a request like this, i would >first understand that he/she is concerned about the safety of the people a= t >the party, and has a mistaken idea that forbidding certain types of clothi= ng >might make people safe. that is not true. > >i would explain that the dance scene is an inclusive one, we welcome all >kinds of people because we create a place where people can gather together >and dance in peace, with a sense of community. > >we do not judge based on appearance, we do not judge based on age (except >where there are issues of legal responsibility for those under 18), we do >not judge based on race. singling out certain types of popular attire for >exclusion is not the way to keep a party safe, in fact it is likely to >create some real problems with people who are being turned away, and they'= re >just wearing the same clothes they wear every day. you want some unhappy >guests? tell them they look like thugs and they can't come in... you'll ha= ve >some very unhappy guests. > >an experienced and responsible promoter would assure the venue owner of th= e >security measures being taken for searching people for weapons and bottles >as they come in, as well as for markers and pens to avoid tagging, and for >keeping an eye on things inside so all the guests feel safe and welcome. > >and if that's not the kind of conversation you can have, then in my humble >opinion, there is some maturing that should happen before attempting >large-scale events. > >and... once again, posting a private email to a public list is always >inappropriate. > >leslie > > > >---------- >>From: "Eck=F6" >>To: "sf" >>Cc: "f8" >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once aga= in >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >>Date: Thu, Jul 12, 2001, 10:44 AM >> > >>If anyone had any feelings they would like to share about the sports atir= e >>please send your comments to kevikev420@aol .com. This is not my doing an= d I >>can do nothing about it. He will be glad to answer all your questions. >>Nick >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>http://www.core-nrg.net >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Feel Good" >>To: "Eck=F6" >>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:32 AM >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once aga= in >>to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >> >> >>> Nick, this one takes the cake. it really does. sometimes you just h= ave >>to look before you leap. I >>> don't pay much attention to what goes on this list anymore... but I rea= d >>all bsp... and I gotta tell you... >>> this is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a policy you should advertise, or in good >>conscience enforce and still call >>> yourselves "UNITY" vibe tribe. cause this contradicts everything that >>the idea of unity is about. I just >>> makes you look bad, and like a hypocrite. keep it real, Vlad >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Eck=F6 wrote: I'm sorry we did not make our se= lves >>clear..We do not want any thug type >>> > people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing >>associated >>> > with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adid= as >>and >>> > everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. >>> > Nick >>> > http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>> > http://www.core-nrg.net >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "leslie ayres" >>> > To: "sf" >>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once >>again >>> > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >>> > >>> > i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective >>with a >>> > dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable >>clothes >>> > that ravers wear. hmmmm. >>> > >>> > makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? >>> > >>> > profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that >>doesn't >>> > allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. >>> > >>> > leslie >>> > >>> > ---------- >>> > Lydia wrote: >>> > >>> > >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ spo= rts >>> > >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! >>> > > >>> > >Peace, >>> > >Lydia >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >Eck=F6 wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. >>Within >>> > >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in >>which >>> > >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >>> > >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we kn= ow >>and >>> > >those we just met. >>> > >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let o= ut >>> > >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their se= lf >>> > >through out the pleasure of dance. >>> > >> >>> > >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee y= our >>> > >place at this >>> > >> Re-Union >>> > >> No Sports attire >>> > >> $20.00 advanced tickets >>> > >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >>> > >> 100% fully permitted. >>> > >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >>> > >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy >>> > juices, >>> > >> And Aliens. >>> > >> >>> > >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >>> > >> Richard Summerhayes >>> > >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >>> > >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >>> > >> Eric Michelle-uvt >>> > >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >>> > >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >>> > >> Melanie-love sf >>> > >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >>> > >> >>> > >> Area 2 Circle of love: >>> > >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >>> > >> Allen Octavo-FGE >>> > >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >>> > >> Lsdj >>> > >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >>> > >> Psykoral - Raven >>> > >> Tyme -Raven >>> > >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >>> > >> Eck=F6 - UVT, core:NRG >>> > >> >>> > >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >>> > >> Pete Nice W/ >>> > >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >>> > >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >>> > >> KAOS >>> > >> DRSK >>> > >> TICAL >>> > >> Nick >>> > >> http://www.core-nrg.net >>> > >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>> > >> >>> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------= - >>> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... >>> > >>> > --------------------------------- >>> > Do You Yahoo!? >>> > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! >>> > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail =20 Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68605-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 20:51:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29792 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 20:51:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29764 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 20:51:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: , "Jamie Murray" , "Ari Gordon-Schlosberg" , "sf raves" References: <20010712190031.84054.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:51:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 20:50:45.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[52819500:01C10B14] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS hehehe.... i have my SFR laminate from the Friendship Festival last year... does anyone else still have theres? Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess ica" To: "Jamie Murray" ; "Ari Gordon-Schlosberg" ; "sf raves" Sent: July 12, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS > > hehe, or how about sfr laminates? I've been on sfr for 3 years and still have yet to receive one of these famous laminates, has there been any laminates produced lately? > Jess > Jamie Murray wrote: Why stickes? why not buttons so you can wear them over > and over and over again. > ^.~ > --- Ari Gordon-Schlosberg wrote: > > I will be in attendance at Focus. Looks like it > > will be a funass time. > > I'll be the large 6'4" guy with the yellow glasses. > > I'm not sure what I'm > > wearing yet. If you see, say hello. > > > > This whole meeting up thing has gotten me thinking: > > what would people > > think if there were SFR stickers that you could buy > > online from somewhere > > that you could then wear to a party. That way we > > would know who we are and > > could introduce ourselves anywhere in the party > > instead of just at some > > designated meeting spot. It also reduces > > coordination, as you don't even > > need a meeting spot if everyone is just nicely > > labelled. > > > > I'm thinking something like those oval stickers that > > you see on the back of > > cars that have the European country abbreviations on > > them. Of course, they > > would be done up in colors that look good under a > > black light. > > > > Something (and this is really rough) like this: > > > > http://wwn.nebcorp.com/~regs/SFR.gif > > > > Thoughts? > > > > -- > > Ari there is no spoon > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68606-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:00:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44661 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:00:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44651 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:00:14 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.228.27.210] From: "Rayn" To: "Brian - THUMP Radio" , , , , Cc: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:03:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 20:59:45.0087 (UTC) FILETIME=[9426BCF0:01C10B15] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? With that post I'm tempted to say the SF Opera Hall ;) Or the exploritorium. -Rayn ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian - THUMP Radio" To: ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > all i gotta say is i KNOW where it is gonna be and everyone in the whole > city should be so stoked - it's gonna be ridamndiculous!!! > > greg and dutch are true to the old school of the sf dance scene. if you > want to see an intelligent mind blowing production, DO NOT MISS AREA 51. > > if you want "rave in a box" massives with terrible production by people who > haven't been throwing parties in sf for 12 years like greg and dutch, then > save your time and money for another faceless massive. > > wait to you see the venue! :) > > -brian > > PS - sun project will steal the show. trust me. > > > >From: "James Casper" > >To: whoosenation@hotmail.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:33:14 -0700 > > > >All I gotta say is! > > > >you want dirty I think 85th and Baldwin was dirty! > >the first Area 51 I came out Looking like pigPen > >adn its was BAD ASS LOL > >but umm yea! > > > > > >word > > > >James *casper* > > > > > >>From: "larry melman" > >>To: ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org > >>CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > >>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:08:16 -0700 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: "Greg Sandler" > >>>Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" > >>>To: "Mike Migurski" > >>>CC: > >>>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > >>>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:51 -0700 > >>> > >>>HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! > >>> > >>>Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole > >>>of > >>>a > >>>venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how > >>>absolutely > >>>DISGUSTING that place was! > >>> > >>>Ahhh the memories! > >>> > >>>Greg > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Mike Migurski" > >>>To: "Greg Sandler" > >>>Cc: > >>>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > >>> > >>> > >>> > The Acme!!! > >>> > > >>> > ... > >>> > > >>> > Did I win? > >>> > > >>> > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE > >>> > >information? > >>> > > > >>> > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > >>> > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > >>> > > > >>> > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take > >>> > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the > >>> > >right answer! > >>> > > > >>> > >Peace and love, > >>> > > > >>> > >Greg Sandler > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >>> > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > >>> > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > >>> > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > >>> > > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >>> > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > >>> > > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >>> > >>Hmmmmmm, > >> > >>How about treasure island or perhaps one of the unused piers along the > >>east > >>side of sf? too many to number but maybe > >>where they just had the vans warped tour? > >> > >>Ian Koe > >>Closer productions > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68607-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:03:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49467 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:03:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49457 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:03:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:03:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: Greg Sandler cc: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <012301c10b05$b987a0a0$1101000a@litterbox> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? Picture all the filth and sketchiness of 2nd & Jax, shrunk down to a 250 person space... 500 if you really jammed 'em in (as so many promoters did ;). Like Leslie says, though - memories! I don't know if it's just me, but the *sketchiness* five years ago was so much more fun & funky than the big-business crapola and suburban e-monkeys sucking raves dead now. At least there was still a sense of adventure when irresponisble promoters put their asses on the line for a bust-bait party. eyeballing the current SOMA vacancy rate with hope & curiosity, -mike. >Worse than 2nd and Jax?!?!? HA HA!!! The ACME made 2nd and Jax look like >a PALACE!!! > >That is too funny! > >Greg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jess ica > To: Greg Sandler ; Mike Migurski > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > > > I've never been to the Acme, but it can't be worse than 2nd & J, can >it guys? If so, then wow, you old schoolers are hard core dirty >birdies. > > J > > Greg Sandler wrote: > > HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! > > Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole of a > venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how absolutely > DISGUSTING that place was! > > Ahhh the memories! > > Greg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Migurski" > To: "Greg Sandler" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > > > > The Acme!!! > > > > ... > > > > Did I win? > > > > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE > > >information? > > > > > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > > > > > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take > > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the > > >right answer! > > > > > >Peace and love, > > > > > >Greg Sandler > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68608-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:05:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52694 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:05:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52649 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:05:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c10b16$ce0318a0$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "tina pruett" , "leslie ayres" , "sf" References: <7476470.994970723423.JavaMail.MoonChyId@gomailjtp02> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:08:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Let me clarify..I'm running core:NRG now..That is my production company. I do not make any decisions for UVT any more. I do not want to deal with any of your problems with UVT events. I am still part of UVT in the aspect Kevin is my friend and I like to help my friends out. I have the unity vibe tribe domain under my name because I still manage the page. So if you want to associate me with UVT then yes I am the web master for UVT. Again I have no say as to what goes in with this party, nor do I want to have any thing to do with that stuff. I have a lot going on in my life right now and I don't have the time to even think about throwing a party. So the reason I'm deflecting your email to Kevin is because this is HIS party. He booked the venue and he booked most of the dj's. If you have problems with what he is doing that talk to him not to me. If you would like to talk to core:NRG or about core:NRG then I am the person to talk to. I will not be held responsible for something I have no control or say over. So you can stop your childish accusations because honestly that's what they are. Quite frankly it's stupid, I'm helping my old friend Kevin. So for the 10th time, I do not throw parties under UVT, I do not book venues for UVT, I do not have any say over UVT parties, I will keep the domain I manage in my signature and I really can't stress this enough but I'm done with this topic. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "tina pruett" To: "leslie ayres" ; "sf" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! first off, thank god you're back on the list leslie! second, nick that is shady to pass it over to kevin just because you want to avoid dealing with the issues... i'd be pretty pissed if i was helping someone throw a party and they turned around and was like "oh yeah anyone who doesn't like the shady aspects or our production, talk to tina..." take responsibility, when you are part of a crew, you are part of every action that you make as a collective group. if you don't like the rule, you should have either said, hey let's try and find a space that doesn't require this, or siad ok guys i'm not going to support this rule... you continue to act more and more childish and irresponsible at every turn. your responded to all the complaints about your zero-tollerance drug policy with name calling, and shit talking, now you are placing the blame for something that you have just as much part in on someone else since they aren't on the list and you think it will make you look like the innocent repressed kid who's just along for the ride. if you think passing the responsibility on to someone else will make anyone respect you more, or see you in less of a negative light, you are dead wrong. try standing up and admitting to your actions... or maybe you can't since you know that you are making an arbitrary discrimination against people, and i should hope you can't defend that action. although, at this point, i doubt i'd be surprised at anything that comes out of your mouth. UTV as an entire production company has made the agreement with the space owner, as part of that crew you have made that agreement. it is pretty simple. ok, time to go back into temporary lurk mode... one more week until i'm part time again... love and hugs and kisses, tina -----Original Message----- From: "leslie ayres" To: "sf" Date: Thu Jul 12 11:18:37 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >feel free to forward this to whoever you feel appropriate -- but it's my >belief that it is the responsibility of a promoter to negotiate appropriate >rules and restrictions with a venue owner. and it is your party, nick. >saying you have no power about it is ridiculous. > >sometimes explaining what our scene is about -- and what is not about -- >takes some careful conversation, and an understanding of the other >perspective. > >if i were talking to a venue owner who made a request like this, i would >first understand that he/she is concerned about the safety of the people at >the party, and has a mistaken idea that forbidding certain types of clothing >might make people safe. that is not true. > >i would explain that the dance scene is an inclusive one, we welcome all >kinds of people because we create a place where people can gather together >and dance in peace, with a sense of community. > >we do not judge based on appearance, we do not judge based on age (except >where there are issues of legal responsibility for those under 18), we do >not judge based on race. singling out certain types of popular attire for >exclusion is not the way to keep a party safe, in fact it is likely to >create some real problems with people who are being turned away, and they're >just wearing the same clothes they wear every day. you want some unhappy >guests? tell them they look like thugs and they can't come in... you'll have >some very unhappy guests. > >an experienced and responsible promoter would assure the venue owner of the >security measures being taken for searching people for weapons and bottles >as they come in, as well as for markers and pens to avoid tagging, and for >keeping an eye on things inside so all the guests feel safe and welcome. > >and if that's not the kind of conversation you can have, then in my humble >opinion, there is some maturing that should happen before attempting >large-scale events. > >and... once again, posting a private email to a public list is always >inappropriate. > >leslie > > > >---------- >>From: "Eckö" >>To: "sf" >>Cc: "f8" >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >>Date: Thu, Jul 12, 2001, 10:44 AM >> > >>If anyone had any feelings they would like to share about the sports atire >>please send your comments to kevikev420@aol .com. This is not my doing and I >>can do nothing about it. He will be glad to answer all your questions. >>Nick >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>http://www.core-nrg.net >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Feel Good" >>To: "Eckö" >>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:32 AM >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again >>to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >> >> >>> Nick, this one takes the cake. it really does. sometimes you just have >>to look before you leap. I >>> don't pay much attention to what goes on this list anymore... but I read >>all bsp... and I gotta tell you... >>> this is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a policy you should advertise, or in good >>conscience enforce and still call >>> yourselves "UNITY" vibe tribe. cause this contradicts everything that >>the idea of unity is about. I just >>> makes you look bad, and like a hypocrite. keep it real, Vlad >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Eckö wrote: I'm sorry we did not make our selves >>clear..We do not want any thug type >>> > people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing >>associated >>> > with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adidas >>and >>> > everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. >>> > Nick >>> > http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>> > http://www.core-nrg.net >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "leslie ayres" >>> > To: "sf" >>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once >>again >>> > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >>> > >>> > i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective >>with a >>> > dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable >>clothes >>> > that ravers wear. hmmmm. >>> > >>> > makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? >>> > >>> > profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that >>doesn't >>> > allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. >>> > >>> > leslie >>> > >>> > ---------- >>> > Lydia wrote: >>> > >>> > >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports >>> > >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! >>> > > >>> > >Peace, >>> > >Lydia >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >Eckö wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. >>Within >>> > >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in >>which >>> > >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. >>> > >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know >>and >>> > >those we just met. >>> > >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out >>> > >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self >>> > >through out the pleasure of dance. >>> > >> >>> > >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your >>> > >place at this >>> > >> Re-Union >>> > >> No Sports attire >>> > >> $20.00 advanced tickets >>> > >> Virgin Indoor out door venue >>> > >> 100% fully permitted. >>> > >> 9:00pm till 8:00am >>> > >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy >>> > juices, >>> > >> And Aliens. >>> > >> >>> > >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: >>> > >> Richard Summerhayes >>> > >> Jazz-e uvt new resident >>> > >> Jim Hopkins -uvt >>> > >> Eric Michelle-uvt >>> > >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com >>> > >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records >>> > >> Melanie-love sf >>> > >> Introducing: Justin Kauai >>> > >> >>> > >> Area 2 Circle of love: >>> > >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves >>> > >> Allen Octavo-FGE >>> > >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk >>> > >> Lsdj >>> > >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective >>> > >> Psykoral - Raven >>> > >> Tyme -Raven >>> > >> Celsius - Projekt 9 >>> > >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG >>> > >> >>> > >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: >>> > >> Pete Nice W/ >>> > >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION >>> > >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW >>> > >> KAOS >>> > >> DRSK >>> > >> TICAL >>> > >> Nick >>> > >> http://www.core-nrg.net >>> > >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>> > >> >>> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... >>> > >>> > --------------------------------- >>> > Do You Yahoo!? >>> > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! >>> > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68609-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:09:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62274 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:09:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62239 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:09:32 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: "Mike Migurski" Cc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:20:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Migurski [mailto:mike@cloudfactory.org] > I don't know if it's just me, but > the *sketchiness* five years ago was so much more fun & funky than the > big-business crapola and suburban e-monkeys sucking raves dead now. At > least there was still a sense of adventure when irresponisble promoters > put their asses on the line for a bust-bait party. No, Mike, you aren't the only one. I like to get me shoes dirty too:) > eyeballing the current SOMA vacancy rate with hope & curiosity, > -mike. Yep. Economic change often brings opportunity. I've been spending lots of time driving around SOMA lately... Love, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68610-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:09:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62519 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:09:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62497 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:09:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712210932.43384.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:09:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: sf raves , F 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-797812436-994972172=:42166" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd:"Risks" in the usage of "Phat Pants" --0-797812436-994972172=:42166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thought this was funny. have great day guys ^.~ j Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-797812436-994972172=:42166 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: starkand_e@yahoo.com via web14307.mail.yahoo.com; 12 Jul 2001 13:43:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from f130.law8.hotmail.com (EHLO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.130) by mta321.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 13:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:43:08 -0700 Received: from 12.81.66.51 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:43:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.81.66.51] From: "Jamie Murray" To: starkand_e@yahoo.com Subject: Fwd: [lrave] "Risks" in the usage of "Phat Pants" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:43:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 20:43:08.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[424A1500:01C10B13] Content-Length: 4509 > >Behalf Of Tellus Minerva > >"Phat Pants" > >-are the excessively wide-bottomed pants worn by drugged-out "ravers" at >their secret, illegal "Rave Parties". The most well-known Phat Pants >include >UFOS, Lithiums, and Caffeines. Under the influence of Phat Pants, the >senses >of direction, distance, and time become disoriented. These Pants can >produce >unpredictable, erratic, and violent dancing in users that sometimes leads >to >serious injuries and death. Drownings, burns, falls, automobile crashes, >and >nuclear war have also been reported. In 1993, Phat Pants were associated >with almost 10,000 hospital emergency room visits and approximately 200 >deaths. > >People under the influence of Phat Pants frequently cause themselves >physical harm or exhibit loved-up behavior toward others. > >What Are the Physical Risks Associated With Using Phat Pants? >increased heart rate and blood pressure >sleeplessness and tremors >lack of muscular coordination >sparse, mangled, and incoherent dance steps >decreased awareness of touch and pain that can result in self-inflicted >injuries >convulsions >looking like a damn raver >heart and lung failure > >What Are the Psychological Risks Associated With Using Phat Pants? >a sense of distance and estrangement >depression, anxiety, and paranoia >cracked-out behavior >confusion, suspicion, and loss of control >flashbacks >behavior similar to schizophrenic psychosis >catatonic syndrome whereby the user becomes mute, lethargic, disoriented, >and makes meaningless repetitive movements > >Everyone reacts differently to phat pants -- there’s no way to predict if >you can avoid a "bad trip". > >The effect of phat pants can last for 12 hours -- do you really want to >lose >control of your legs for that long? > >Don’t get doped into thinking that taking phat pants will lead you to >self-discovery. > >ERROR 404: THIS SNIPPET OF GOVERNMENT ANTI-DRUG PROPAGANDA IS UNAVAILABLE >AT >THE TIME. PLEASE INSERT RANDOM, MISLEADING STATISTIC HERE. > >Using phat pants can affect learning and memory. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > >Quick Facts > >Is there any way to predict how I will react to wearing phat pants? > >The effects of phat pants are unpredictable. They depend on the >circumference around the legs, the user’s personality, mood and >expectations, and the surroundings in which the pants are worn. Usually, >the >user feels the first effects of the pants 30-90 minutes after taking it. >These effects include hugging everyone, filling your mouth with tablets of >the illegal drug "ecstasy", buying overpriced bottled water, and hugging >everyone. Sensations and feelings change much more dramatically than the >physical signs. The user may feel several different emotions at once or >swing rapidly from one emotion to another. Depending on the overall >phatness >of the pants, the garment can produce delusions and visual hallucinations, >which can be frightening and cause panic. Users refer to their experience >with these acute adverse reactions as a "bad trip," and the effects >typically last for about twelve seconds, or until someone pulls you up of >the dance floor. Terrifying thoughts and feelings, fear of insanity and >death, injuries, and fatal accidents have occurred during states of phat >pants intoxication. Anyone can experience a bad trip and there is no way to >predict what your own experience will be. > >I’ve heard that phat pants aren’t even addictive. So what is the big deal? > >Phat pants produce compulsive drug seeking behavior. Like cocaine, alcohol, >or dog birth-control medication, all found within tablets of the designer >drug "ecstasy" but phat pants produces tolerance, so that users who wear >the >garment repeatedly must wear progressively phatter and phatter pants in >order to achieve the same state of intoxication. This is an extremely >dangerous practice, given the unpredictability of the pants, and can result >in increased risk of convulsions, coma, heart and lung failure, and even >death. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo@listkids.com >with the phrase 'unsubscribe lrave' in the body of >the message. > >Visit our website at http://www.listkids.com >--------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --0-797812436-994972172=:42166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-797812436-994972172=:42166-- From sfraves-return-68611-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:19:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79934 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:19:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79911 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:19:47 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: "Aaron Dixon" Cc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:28:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) If the march were to happen, we were need to promote it at parties, this and other channels are not the best way to promote a gathering Laith -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Dixon [mailto:aaronhdixon@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:40 PM To: kgb@dreamscape.org; RUENONE@aol.com; frequency-8@squinky.org; djd-list@dj-d.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org; ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) Alright, I had attended something similar in Los Angeles this past year. Same situation (almost) and at the same building. First off, those guys down in LA do not mess around when it comes to their right to dance and free speech. People came from all points of southern california, including bakersfield. Thousands of people everywhere dancing to the sounds of moontribe. I suggest we do something similar like this up here so we can have the right to dance and free speech whenever we want and have no limitations as to when we can and can not dance. I am willing to help and protest against city hall to abolish the 2am curfew! Let me know how I may help. Peace, Aaron >From: Kenneth Bice >To: , frequency-8 , djd-list >, SF Raves List , >ravenproductions list >Subject: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD17278A00194004374CD1855316053B0; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:14 -0700 >Received: (qmail 89063 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 >Received: (qmail 89053 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-68546-aaronhdixon Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:29 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >In-Reply-To: <92.174f780a.287f2be5@aol.com> >Message-ID: >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >Hey I myself am all for a march on city hall. >The party kids marched in canada... >I think that the 2am curfew is totall b.s. >and I will be one of the first to march. >Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there >anyone out there with the guts to march on >city hall? Any thoughts, come on people??? >Put in some your thoughts! > >laterz >kenneth > >On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 RUENONE@aol.com wrote: > > > Lets all comply nicely with the law enforcement....sure..ill be right >here > > playing a phat tribal-tech set as the sun comes up and all the sheep are >fast > > asleep...Oh and Ill be dancing too..And when someone tells me to turn my > > music down, they better duck and watch out for speaker shrapnel, cuz' im > > blowing bass bins and making the walls crumble...Cops and the media >shouldn't > > be at parties unless they stand in line and pay like everyone else..What >ever > > happened to the good old days of rebellion? Dont want my party going >past 2 > > at a fully permitted venue? Well then I'll have Sammy the Slugger put on >his > > steel toes and kick down that warehouse door..This is becoming the sissy >bay! > > If i wanna have a party, im gonna have one...If "freedom to assemble" >doesnt > > protect us anymore then i dont know what does! When is the next rally at >City > > Hall..??? RIGHT TO DANCE NOW!!! TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!! > > CURFEWS ARE SUPPRESSING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68612-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:22:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87465 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:22:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87441 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:22:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.29] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:21:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 21:21:59.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFAAC6D0:01C10B18] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 and its fallowers...... I am soo excited about this party coming up! I have been to two previous area 51 parties and let me just let you all on a bit of key info! Area 51 has not once ever let me down in any way. IF the visuals weren't up to par(which has never happened,but to some people it may have), the music and dj's defenitely made up for it! If the dj's and music weren't good enough for you (which none of you should be complaining about), the visuals made up for it! The last Area 51 simply blew me away. It brought life to 85th and baldwin since the FTT "Tribal Massive" of 97'. The music? WOW! If you weren't in the jungle room dancing to the sounds of PHUNKATECK!, you were in the other room dancing to the sounds of mistress barbara,tony,jeno,john selway. If you weren't in that room, you were in that amazingly built main room with the sounds of LAIDBACK LUKE!, sandra collins, mars & mystre, Clemens neufield. Overall the party was amazing. Left me speechless! Defenitely worth the money we all spent to get into the party. I am for one going to step up to the plate and say that area 51 has been around for awhile and has never let me down in any way! For any of you that have not attended a area 51 party, i extremely suggest doing so! Yeah so the price is a bit pricy (for all of those dj's?), but let me once again reiterate that you will defenitely get your money's worth! I will for one be rocking out in all of those rooms once again this year. It has defenitely been a long awaited 2 years! Now that the time has come, you will defenitely see me shaking my ass out there on the dance floors. I hope to see most of you there too! Support someone who has been around for a long time, so we can have more area 51 parties in the future! See you all there rocking alongside me!! Peace, Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68613-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:23:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89555 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:23:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89543 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:23:24 -0000 Message-ID: <003a01c10b19$4a082420$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: , "Aaron Dixon" Cc: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:26:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) Things like this are a great idea and shows that we actually care about our scene. I think the best way to organize this would be to contact sflnc and ask them to help coordinate it. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magick" To: "Aaron Dixon" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:28 PM Subject: RE: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) > If the march were to happen, we were need to promote it at parties, this and > other channels are not the best way to promote a gathering > > Laith > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Dixon [mailto:aaronhdixon@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:40 PM > To: kgb@dreamscape.org; RUENONE@aol.com; frequency-8@squinky.org; > djd-list@dj-d.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org; > ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) > > > Alright, I had attended something similar in Los Angeles this past year. > Same situation (almost) and at the same building. First off, those guys > down in LA do not mess around when it comes to their right to dance and free > speech. People came from all points of southern california, including > bakersfield. Thousands of people everywhere dancing to the sounds of > moontribe. I suggest we do something similar like this up here so we can > have the right to dance and free speech whenever we want and have no > limitations as to when we can and can not dance. I am willing to help and > protest against city hall to abolish the 2am curfew! Let me know how I may > help. > > Peace, > Aaron > > > >From: Kenneth Bice > >To: , frequency-8 , djd-list > >, SF Raves List , > >ravenproductions list > >Subject: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) > >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBD17278A00194004374CD1855316053B0; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:14 -0700 > >Received: (qmail 89063 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 89053 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 > >From sfraves-return-68546-aaronhdixon Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:29 -0700 > >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm > >Precedence: bulk > >X-No-Archive: yes > >list-help: > >list-unsubscribe: > >list-post: > >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org > >In-Reply-To: <92.174f780a.287f2be5@aol.com> > >Message-ID: > >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > > >Hey I myself am all for a march on city hall. > >The party kids marched in canada... > >I think that the 2am curfew is totall b.s. > >and I will be one of the first to march. > >Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there > >anyone out there with the guts to march on > >city hall? Any thoughts, come on people??? > >Put in some your thoughts! > > > >laterz > >kenneth > > > >On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 RUENONE@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Lets all comply nicely with the law enforcement....sure..ill be right > >here > > > playing a phat tribal-tech set as the sun comes up and all the sheep are > >fast > > > asleep...Oh and Ill be dancing too..And when someone tells me to turn my > > > music down, they better duck and watch out for speaker shrapnel, cuz' im > > > blowing bass bins and making the walls crumble...Cops and the media > >shouldn't > > > be at parties unless they stand in line and pay like everyone else..What > >ever > > > happened to the good old days of rebellion? Dont want my party going > >past 2 > > > at a fully permitted venue? Well then I'll have Sammy the Slugger put on > >his > > > steel toes and kick down that warehouse door..This is becoming the sissy > >bay! > > > If i wanna have a party, im gonna have one...If "freedom to assemble" > >doesnt > > > protect us anymore then i dont know what does! When is the next rally at > >City > > > Hall..??? RIGHT TO DANCE NOW!!! TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!! > > > CURFEWS ARE SUPPRESSING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68614-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:25:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92055 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:25:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92032 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:25:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712212523.5252.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: Jamie Murray , sf raves , F 8 In-Reply-To: <20010712210932.43384.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Fwd:"Risks" in the usage of "Phat Pants" it is fun to wear phat pants, a little top and some multi-colored plastic bracelets sometimes..not too much plastic though...oh yeah, and also, if you have a lot of hair, make braids and twist them and put them on your head, and weave colored ribbons into the braids and put little colored plastic clips everywhere too. if you have no hair on your head or some hair or a little hair, it is fun to either dye the hair a bright color, or to spray in funky colors. i love to see men walking around with blue, yellow, green or red bald heads or the ones that make patterns with color and their hair too. it is fun when enough people do it, so that when you look at the crowd, everyone glows like florescent crayon people, oh, and i love to put body glitter on too..it is fun to shimmer. :) --- Jamie Murray wrote: > Thought this was funny. > have great day guys > ^.~ > j > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > From: "Jamie Murray" > To: starkand_e@yahoo.com > Subject: Fwd: [lrave] "Risks" in the usage of "Phat > Pants" > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:43:08 -0700 > > > > > >Behalf Of Tellus Minerva > > > >"Phat Pants" > > > >-are the excessively wide-bottomed pants worn by > drugged-out "ravers" at > >their secret, illegal "Rave Parties". The most > well-known Phat Pants > >include > >UFOS, Lithiums, and Caffeines. Under the influence > of Phat Pants, the > >senses > >of direction, distance, and time become > disoriented. These Pants can > >produce > >unpredictable, erratic, and violent dancing in > users that sometimes leads > >to > >serious injuries and death. Drownings, burns, > falls, automobile crashes, > >and > >nuclear war have also been reported. In 1993, Phat > Pants were associated > >with almost 10,000 hospital emergency room visits > and approximately 200 > >deaths. > > > >People under the influence of Phat Pants frequently > cause themselves > >physical harm or exhibit loved-up behavior toward > others. > > > >What Are the Physical Risks Associated With Using > Phat Pants? > >increased heart rate and blood pressure > >sleeplessness and tremors > >lack of muscular coordination > >sparse, mangled, and incoherent dance steps > >decreased awareness of touch and pain that can > result in self-inflicted > >injuries > >convulsions > >looking like a damn raver > >heart and lung failure > > > >What Are the Psychological Risks Associated With > Using Phat Pants? > >a sense of distance and estrangement > >depression, anxiety, and paranoia > >cracked-out behavior > >confusion, suspicion, and loss of control > >flashbacks > >behavior similar to schizophrenic psychosis > >catatonic syndrome whereby the user becomes mute, > lethargic, disoriented, > >and makes meaningless repetitive movements > > > >Everyone reacts differently to phat pants -- > there’s no way to predict if > >you can avoid a "bad trip". > > > >The effect of phat pants can last for 12 hours -- > do you really want to > >lose > >control of your legs for that long? > > > >Don’t get doped into thinking that taking phat > pants will lead you to > >self-discovery. > > > >ERROR 404: THIS SNIPPET OF GOVERNMENT ANTI-DRUG > PROPAGANDA IS UNAVAILABLE > >AT > >THE TIME. PLEASE INSERT RANDOM, MISLEADING > STATISTIC HERE. > > > >Using phat pants can affect learning and memory. > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---- > > > >Quick Facts > > > >Is there any way to predict how I will react to > wearing phat pants? > > > >The effects of phat pants are unpredictable. They > depend on the > >circumference around the legs, the user’s > personality, mood and > >expectations, and the surroundings in which the > pants are worn. Usually, > >the > >user feels the first effects of the pants 30-90 > minutes after taking it. > >These effects include hugging everyone, filling > your mouth with tablets of > >the illegal drug "ecstasy", buying overpriced > bottled water, and hugging > >everyone. Sensations and feelings change much more > dramatically than the > >physical signs. The user may feel several different > emotions at once or > >swing rapidly from one emotion to another. > Depending on the overall > >phatness > >of the pants, the garment can produce delusions and > visual hallucinations, > >which can be frightening and cause panic. Users > refer to their experience > >with these acute adverse reactions as a "bad trip," > and the effects > >typically last for about twelve seconds, or until > someone pulls you up of > >the dance floor. Terrifying thoughts and feelings, > fear of insanity and > >death, injuries, and fatal accidents have occurred > during states of phat > >pants intoxication. Anyone can experience a bad > trip and there is no way to > >predict what your own experience will be. > > > >I’ve heard that phat pants aren’t even addictive. > So what is the big deal? > > > >Phat pants produce compulsive drug seeking > behavior. Like cocaine, alcohol, > >or dog birth-control medication, all found within > tablets of the designer > >drug "ecstasy" but phat pants produces tolerance, > so that users who wear > >the > >garment repeatedly must wear progressively phatter > and phatter pants in > >order to achieve the same state of intoxication. > This is an extremely > >dangerous practice, given the unpredictability of > the pants, and can result > >in increased risk of convulsions, coma, heart and > lung failure, and even > >death. > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, send an email to > majordomo@listkids.com > >with the phrase 'unsubscribe lrave' in the body of > >the message. > > > >Visit our website at http://www.listkids.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68615-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:32:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2894 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:31:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2882 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:31:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712213155.95474.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Jackson To: Greg Sandler , Mike Migurski Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <00fb01c10b05$20f8c1c0$1101000a@litterbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1550532072-994973515=:94239" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? --0-1550532072-994973515=:94239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh! The Richmond Convention Center??? Probably not. God, remember when they had Area 51 there? That was so incredible. I just remember sitting on the second floor and gazing down through the smoke and lasers on the mob of people on the dance floor. That place was enormous; it just went on for days... Jamie Greg Sandler wrote: HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole of a venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how absolutely DISGUSTING that place was! Ahhh the memories! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "Greg Sandler" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > The Acme!!! > > ... > > Did I win? > > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE > >information? > > > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > > > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the > >right answer! > > > >Peace and love, > > > >Greg Sandler > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." ~ Oscar Wilde --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1550532072-994973515=:94239-- From sfraves-return-68616-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:36:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8714 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:36:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8698 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:36:20 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:36:01 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010712213611.BQVJ26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) just so people know, the sflnc is in the planning stages of another daytime rally. date tba. for info on that, and what's happening in our work to revise legislation in sf regarding dancehall keepers permits, visit http://www.sflnc.com, read up, and get on our mailing list. we are not targeting curfew laws, though -- in fact, i haven't even heard of any complaints about curfew laws from anyone, either in person or on any mailing list. are you talking about a curfew for under 18? the right to dance issues i feel passionate about are about the right to gather, and working to correct the misinformation about the kinds of people who really make up the dance underground -- creative, intelligent, forward-thinking, responsible and respectable contributors to society. i really love when i see people ready to speak up and affect change. leslie ---------- >From: "Aaron Dixon" >To: kgb@dreamscape.org, RUENONE@aol.com, frequency-8@squinky.org, djd-list@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) >Date: Thu, Jul 12, 2001, 1:39 PM > >Alright, I had attended something similar in Los Angeles this past year. >Same situation (almost) and at the same building. First off, those guys >down in LA do not mess around when it comes to their right to dance and free >speech. People came from all points of southern california, including >bakersfield. Thousands of people everywhere dancing to the sounds of >moontribe. I suggest we do something similar like this up here so we can >have the right to dance and free speech whenever we want and have no >limitations as to when we can and can not dance. I am willing to help and >protest against city hall to abolish the 2am curfew! Let me know how I may >help. > >Peace, >Aaron > > >>From: Kenneth Bice >>To: , frequency-8 , djd-list >>, SF Raves List , >>ravenproductions list >>Subject: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) >>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >>MHotMailBD17278A00194004374CD1855316053B0; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:14 -0700 >>Received: (qmail 89063 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 89053 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 >>>From sfraves-return-68546-aaronhdixon Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:29 -0700 >>Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >>Precedence: bulk >>X-No-Archive: yes >>list-help: >>list-unsubscribe: >>list-post: >>Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >>In-Reply-To: <92.174f780a.287f2be5@aol.com> >>Message-ID: >>X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >> >>Hey I myself am all for a march on city hall. >>The party kids marched in canada... >>I think that the 2am curfew is totall b.s. >>and I will be one of the first to march. >>Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there >>anyone out there with the guts to march on >>city hall? Any thoughts, come on people??? >>Put in some your thoughts! >> >>laterz >>kenneth >> >>On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 RUENONE@aol.com wrote: >> >> > Lets all comply nicely with the law enforcement....sure..ill be right >>here >> > playing a phat tribal-tech set as the sun comes up and all the sheep are >>fast >> > asleep...Oh and Ill be dancing too..And when someone tells me to turn my >> > music down, they better duck and watch out for speaker shrapnel, cuz' im >> > blowing bass bins and making the walls crumble...Cops and the media >>shouldn't >> > be at parties unless they stand in line and pay like everyone else..What >>ever >> > happened to the good old days of rebellion? Dont want my party going >>past 2 >> > at a fully permitted venue? Well then I'll have Sammy the Slugger put on >>his >> > steel toes and kick down that warehouse door..This is becoming the sissy >>bay! >> > If i wanna have a party, im gonna have one...If "freedom to assemble" >>doesnt >> > protect us anymore then i dont know what does! When is the next rally at >>City >> > Hall..??? RIGHT TO DANCE NOW!!! TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!! >> > CURFEWS ARE SUPPRESSING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! >> > >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68617-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:51:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19114 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:51:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19104 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:51:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712215059.78154.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:50:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Mike Migurski , Greg Sandler Cc: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-387163420-994974659=:78056" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? --0-387163420-994974659=:78056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hard-core old schoolers man. Hard-core funked-out dirty birdies! Jess Mike Migurski wrote: Picture all the filth and sketchiness of 2nd & Jax, shrunk down to a 250 person space... 500 if you really jammed 'em in (as so many promoters did ;). Like Leslie says, though - memories! I don't know if it's just me, but the *sketchiness* five years ago was so much more fun & funky than the big-business crapola and suburban e-monkeys sucking raves dead now. At least there was still a sense of adventure when irresponisble promoters put their asses on the line for a bust-bait party. eyeballing the current SOMA vacancy rate with hope & curiosity, -mike. >Worse than 2nd and Jax?!?!? HA HA!!! The ACME made 2nd and Jax look like >a PALACE!!! > >That is too funny! > >Greg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jess ica > To: Greg Sandler ; Mike Migurski > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > > > I've never been to the Acme, but it can't be worse than 2nd & J, can >it guys? If so, then wow, you old schoolers are hard core dirty >birdies. > > J > > Greg Sandler wrote: > > HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! > > Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole of a > venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how absolutely > DISGUSTING that place was! > > Ahhh the memories! > > Greg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Migurski" > To: "Greg Sandler" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > > > > The Acme!!! > > > > ... > > > > Did I win? > > > > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE > > >information? > > > > > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File > > >documents, which will release the Venue information... > > > > > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take > > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the > > >right answer! > > > > > >Peace and love, > > > > > >Greg Sandler > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-387163420-994974659=:78056-- From sfraves-return-68618-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 21:55:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26227 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 21:55:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26212 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 21:55:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.175] From: "innocentchild" To: , "Jamie Murray" , "Ari Gordon-Schlosberg" , "sf raves" Cc: "Tina Pruett" References: <20010712190031.84054.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:49:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 21:53:50.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[22AC2A30:01C10B1D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS - SFR Laminates SFR-Planners produced shirts and laminates for last years Friendship Festival and we've had them at a few parties since then, but little interest in them. I've still got sheets of the laminates printed in my room here. If you want one send me an email. We just asked for a dollar to cover the cost of the printing and pouches. Send me a buck and I'll send you a laminate. I'll check on the shirts availability still. I know we have a few left. They were $20 since it was such a short run, but damn good quality. I'll put up the designs for both in a bit. Also to all the promoters out there: If you want an SFRaves table at your event send an email to ryan@cloudfactory.org and I'll pass it on to our list. We have a lot of SFRaves material including banners, laminates, a few shirts, and would make a great meeting spot for the community. No we don't charge to do it either, just have to make sure that 2 members are available that night. ryan.bailey sninesix.design sfraves-planners www.viberation.com/ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess ica" To: "Jamie Murray" ; "Ari Gordon-Schlosberg" ; "sf raves" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS > > hehe, or how about sfr laminates? I've been on sfr for 3 years and still have yet to receive one of these famous laminates, has there been any laminates produced lately? > Jess > Jamie Murray wrote: Why stickes? why not buttons so you can wear them over > and over and over again. > ^.~ > --- Ari Gordon-Schlosberg wrote: > > I will be in attendance at Focus. Looks like it > > will be a funass time. > > I'll be the large 6'4" guy with the yellow glasses. > > I'm not sure what I'm > > wearing yet. If you see, say hello. > > > > This whole meeting up thing has gotten me thinking: > > what would people > > think if there were SFR stickers that you could buy > > online from somewhere > > that you could then wear to a party. That way we > > would know who we are and > > could introduce ourselves anywhere in the party > > instead of just at some > > designated meeting spot. It also reduces > > coordination, as you don't even > > need a meeting spot if everyone is just nicely > > labelled. > > > > I'm thinking something like those oval stickers that > > you see on the back of > > cars that have the European country abbreviations on > > them. Of course, they > > would be done up in colors that look good under a > > black light. > > > > Something (and this is really rough) like this: > > > > http://wwn.nebcorp.com/~regs/SFR.gif > > > > Thoughts? > > > > -- > > Ari there is no spoon > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68619-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:03:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34196 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:03:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34179 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:03:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:03:02 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B4E1E96.5C5AAFB3@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Anthem.Tonight@Maritime-Basement.bsp [Complimentary Admission before 9:30pm with this e-mail] A~N~T~H~E~M TONIGHT - Thursday July 12th!!! Hard-House & Big-Beat Breaks with: Anthem Residents: DJ Madame Mercury, DJ Spinner & Kid Hype Special Guests: DJ SpyHunter (Hawaii) & DJ Koris (Subvision, Switzerland) The SubLevel aka Maritime Underground 375 1st St. @ Harrison St. San Francisco 18+ with valid ID 9pm – 2am. $5 Before 10pm / $10 After. VIP 21+ FUBAR Hosted By The luscious ladies of Feel Good :)~~ Anthem Club Line: 650-568-1338 Buzz-Line: 650-569-3300 http://www.globalparty.com Keep it Real Good With Feel Good --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68620-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:08:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38402 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:08:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38392 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:08:14 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <016501c10b1e$eda93ba0$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "Greg Sandler" , References: <00a601c10b02$543b5820$1101000a@litterbox> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:02:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? I am pretty sure it will be on the wharf... i have been hearing that for awhile now.. and i just heard it again this last weekend. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Sandler" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE information? Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue information... Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the right answer! Peace and love, Greg Sandler _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68621-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:16:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49375 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:16:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49355 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:16:38 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:16:58 -0700 From: Dan Carr To: sfraves , sac raves , bay area happycore , f8 Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND Continues... Happy Kids 4 Year Extravaganza! That's right kids! Saturday night is your night to get down and get funky Happy Kids' style! We're bringing you an incredible party like you haven't had since 1999! We're bringing parties back to the bay, like only Happy Kids can! in the heart of the bay area rave scene, we're bring you a party where it all started: Happy Kids presents in OAKLAND: THE LEGEND CONTINUES... This is a FULLY PERMITTED PARTY that where the music won't stop until 7 AM!! That's right! you're not getting out of this party until the sun is high in the sky! In The Palace of Pixies: ***AMOKALIPSE NOW 2001 WORLD TOUR*** featuring: CHRIS C and MADAM ZU These UK-Hardhouse/NRG superstar's are going be performing at LEGEND in the first ever joint bay area apperance! Dyloot (skills) Thee-o (Biohazzard-LA) DJ D (www.dj-d.com) Elias Smith (Happy Kids) Ian Vogel (Happy Kids) Impulse (Unity/Happy Kids) In the Sea Of Sorcery: STEVEN SACKS (deephouse.com/Atlanta, GA) Steven sacks is Atlanta's very own house superstar! When he's banging away at the decks, there's no way you can resist stompin' your feet! Spyhunter (spyhunter.com/liquidmercury/Hawaii's biggest trance/breaks star) Koris (Liquidmercury/Switzerland's hottest trance techno guru) Happy Kid Marty (Happy kids/Bay Area's funkiest house DJ) Fossil feat MC^2 (Illuminous Illuminati/Seattle's premiere Drum'n'bass/Jungle DJ/MC Combo) Greg Sandler (Harmony) Braq (Happy Kids) Mariposa (Happy Kids) DJ Chris (Happy Kids) In the Kingdom of Kandy: Paulina Taylor (H3/Hypersound) LA's very own happycore god is going to grace our party with more energy than you can handle! Spree (Sonicfury.net/Minneapolis,MN) Anthony Mad (Subsonic Underground/SAC) Cloudskipper (Sonicfury.net/SF) Valerie Sparks (Liquidvinyldjs.com/Supernova Recordings/Sac) Tronic *official record release for Resistance Records* Climaxxx (twenty1.crew.com/SF) Kid Cosmo (Happy Kids) $33 presales available at Skills, F8, Solid Grooves, Subsonic Underground, and harmonics! Saturday tickets will only be available at Skills DJ workshop (which is located only a short 5 minute drive from our venue) and at the door! Happy Kids Info: 415.262.0210 510.873.0210 We invite all responsible party goers to come and bring a high vibe! please respect each other and remember that you guys are the people who truly make our parties spectacular! see ya there smilin/connection through affection --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68622-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52095 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:18:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52083 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:18:42 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:19:02 -0700 From: Dan Carr To: sfraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) you could always do it like happy kids, and do it till 7am in oakland :) permitted ofcourse! :D happy kids 4 year... the LEGEND Continues... 415.262.0210/510.873.0210 seeyatheresmilin/connection through affection ;) on 7/12/01 1:39 PM, Aaron Dixon at aaronhdixon@hotmail.com wrote: > Alright, I had attended something similar in Los Angeles this past year. > Same situation (almost) and at the same building. First off, those guys > down in LA do not mess around when it comes to their right to dance and free > speech. People came from all points of southern california, including > bakersfield. Thousands of people everywhere dancing to the sounds of > moontribe. I suggest we do something similar like this up here so we can > have the right to dance and free speech whenever we want and have no > limitations as to when we can and can not dance. I am willing to help and > protest against city hall to abolish the 2am curfew! Let me know how I may > help. > > Peace, > Aaron > > >> From: Kenneth Bice >> To: , frequency-8 , djd-list >> , SF Raves List , >> ravenproductions list >> Subject: [sfraves] MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) >> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >> MHotMailBD17278A00194004374CD1855316053B0; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:14 -0700 >> Received: (qmail 89063 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 >> Received: (qmail 89053 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:21:11 -0000 >> From sfraves-return-68546-aaronhdixon Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:29 -0700 >> Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >> Precedence: bulk >> X-No-Archive: yes >> list-help: >> list-unsubscribe: >> list-post: >> Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >> In-Reply-To: <92.174f780a.287f2be5@aol.com> >> Message-ID: >> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >> >> Hey I myself am all for a march on city hall. >> The party kids marched in canada... >> I think that the 2am curfew is totall b.s. >> and I will be one of the first to march. >> Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there >> anyone out there with the guts to march on >> city hall? Any thoughts, come on people??? >> Put in some your thoughts! >> >> laterz >> kenneth >> >> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 RUENONE@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Lets all comply nicely with the law enforcement....sure..ill be right >> here >>> playing a phat tribal-tech set as the sun comes up and all the sheep are >> fast >>> asleep...Oh and Ill be dancing too..And when someone tells me to turn my >>> music down, they better duck and watch out for speaker shrapnel, cuz' im >>> blowing bass bins and making the walls crumble...Cops and the media >> shouldn't >>> be at parties unless they stand in line and pay like everyone else..What >> ever >>> happened to the good old days of rebellion? Dont want my party going >> past 2 >>> at a fully permitted venue? Well then I'll have Sammy the Slugger put on >> his >>> steel toes and kick down that warehouse door..This is becoming the sissy >> bay! >>> If i wanna have a party, im gonna have one...If "freedom to assemble" >> doesnt >>> protect us anymore then i dont know what does! When is the next rally at >> City >>> Hall..??? RIGHT TO DANCE NOW!!! TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!! >>> CURFEWS ARE SUPPRESSING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68623-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:29:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61745 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:29:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61731 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:29:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: SF Raves List , frequency-8 , djd-list , ravenproductions list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Official March On City Hall Info. Ok so seeing as how i started all of this today i feel that it is now my duty and responsibility to take some action on everything. I would like to coordinate a small group of around 10-15 people that would be willing to meet and discuss the proposed march on city hall. please contact me privately so that we may speak more on the subject and duties that you will be taking on. Also just to make sure everyone is clear on this... we will be making sure to take the right steps to any coarse of action on this, we will be making sure that all decisions are informed and made with wisdom. This should be something to benefit the scene not hurt it, if it happens it will be a peaceful march, not trying to hurt anyone or anything or cause any problems. Well if you have any questions please reply back to me privately and if you would like to be a part of this shoot me an email. laterz kenneth ps. FOR CLARIFICATION, this is all just talk right now... there are no plans "YET" to actually march on the hall. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68624-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:47:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84692 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:47:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84682 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:47:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712224743.18775.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:47:43 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr - queen sized bed for sale/trade sorry to bug you all with this but, here goes... i attempted to buy a double/full sized bed off some lady on craigs list and it turned out to be queen sized so it wont fit in the space i have for it... now she isn't replying to my e-mails and i don't feel like going over to her house and getting into a silly debate so... anyone on the list want to swap a queen sized mattress and box spring for a full/double sized mattress and box spring? or just buy this off me for $100 so i can get my money back? ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68625-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:49:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86947 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:49:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86937 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:49:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712224923.15521.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: Greg Sandler , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <00a601c10b02$543b5820$1101000a@litterbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? The old 7 up factory Oakland. The Fashion Center ^.~ jamie star --- Greg Sandler wrote: > Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED > AREA 51 VENUE information? > > Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA > 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue > information... > > Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 > is going to take place... I will give a free ticket > to the first person that gets the right answer! > > Peace and love, > > Greg Sandler > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68626-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:51:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88547 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:51:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88534 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:51:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712225100.24910.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:51:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tami Iida Reply-To: LiLTaiida22@yahoo.com To: Blair O'Malley , frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Thank You from Stereophonik Thanks Stereophonik crew, and Killa subz crew too and everyone there that made last night Rock. Last night, Rocked so hard that it just made me so happy to see so many south bay headz hitting the dancefloor. I needed last nite. You guys Rock!! luv ya lots! *hugz* mu@H* ~~Tami :-) --- Blair O'Malley wrote: > Wow, > Thanks guys for the support last night, alot of > old faces came out and it > was good! You all made the night for us. > I also want to thank Terry of Viberation for the > visuals. That guy has > got a lot of strange thoughts runnig through that > gourd of his, but it > transalates of so well to the visual medium. > and... Can't forget Amber, rocking the crowd with > that hard shit, hope to > see you out at our little happening a bit more > often. > Lastly, How 'bout that DDR! Slamming! F'ed up > beats that got your ass > moving and shaking! A nice bloke too if ya got the > chance to tallk to him. > We got more for you coming too, this next week, We > bring you DJ D! > ad a little ARA, a cup of Leon Cook, and just a > sprinkling of Owen for a > nice NRG soup. Come on out, everybody is welcome. > My head hurts > Blair > STEREOPHONIK > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* ~~Tami :-) (408) 821-6012 ___________________________________________________________ Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68627-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:52:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90915 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:52:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90896 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:52:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.175] From: "innocentchild" To: Cc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:50:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0122_01C10AEA.54AACFB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 22:51:33.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[32D50000:01C10B25] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP :: DJ D v. ICE-9 (2x4) :: MACADIO v. Alex Van Dune (2x4) :: Fuckwork - Tonight in Berkeley $5 ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C10AEA.54AACFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tonight is all about the battles on the decks! We're bringing you two = first ever sets from DJ D vs ICE 9 and MACADIO vs ALEX VAN DUNE. = Everyone knows and loves DJ D for her amazing skills as a dj and the = capability to get a crowd screaming for more. Tonight she's boxing ICE 9 = in the NRG battle that will pound the dancefloor! ICE 9 is a local DJ on = the rise spinning his own selection of NRG and Nu - NRG. Recently flown = to South Carolina he's expanding spreading his tallent as a DJ. These = two skilled DJ's together will wow you. Next up we have MACADIO our = local tech hero who spins a blend of tech house and techno wiht a mature = spin to it. ALEX VAN DUNE will bring his amazing skills as a DJ coupled = with a fresh bin of techno and tech house to put the smack down on = MACADIO for the first time ever. Not to be out done MACADIO will likely = come at him with a backhand blow that will keep you begging for more! = Our very own DJ Fuckwork will be seperating these two battles with an = infusion of house and scratching. Fuckwork tells you off and has the = ability to back up the attitude. Tomorrow is Friday so get a move on the = weekend in your only Eastbay club night that's 18+=20 Ascension - 7.12.01 Dj's: DJ D vs Ice 9 (2x4) NRG set DJ Fuckwork (ACME) Macadio vs Alex Van Dune (2x4) Tech set 9pm - 2am $7 - 18+ $5 - 21+ 3 Bars + full menu of bad ass food! =20 Blakes=20 2367 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley, CA Located between Channing and Durant on Telegraph Ave Call the infoline for drink specials... infoline: 510.873.7730 web: www.acmeparty.com jeno.is.coming.up.soon... 7.26.01 - pass it on! ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01C10AEA.54AACFB0-- From sfraves-return-68628-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:54:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94241 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:54:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94231 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:54:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:53:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 22:53:59.0987 (UTC) FILETIME=[89FD7830:01C10B25] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! *robotic voice, red lights flashing* WARNING!.......WARNING!......STEREOTYPE ALERT!!!!!STEREOTYPE ALERT!!!!!! SHADY!!.....SHADY!! >From: "Eckö" >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:29:44 -0700 > >I'm sorry we did not make our selves clear..We do not want any thug type >people at the party. We are asking that people not wear clothing associated >with sports teams. No football base ball or hockey jerseys. Your adidas and >everything else is welcome. Sorry again for the miscommunication. >Nick >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >http://www.core-nrg.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "leslie ayres" >To: "sf" >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:58 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > >i feel like i'm in the twilight zone. an underground rave collective with a >dress code... that prohibits some of the most common and comfortable >clothes >that ravers wear. hmmmm. > >makes having a "garden of freedom" rather ironic, doesn't it? > >profiling people by what they wear sucks. i won't go to a club that doesn't >allow sneakers, and this seems far more extreme than that. > >leslie > >---------- >Lydia wrote: > > >Wait... no sports attaire? Does this mean I can't wear my visor/ sports > >bra/ swishy pants combination?! That's my favorite outfit! > > > >Peace, > >Lydia > > > > > >Eckö wrote: > > > >> The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. >Within > >in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in >which > >have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. > >> Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know >and > >those we just met. > >> This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out > >their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self > >through out the pleasure of dance. > >> > >> This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your > >place at this > >> Re-Union > >> No Sports attire > >> $20.00 advanced tickets > >> Virgin Indoor out door venue > >> 100% fully permitted. > >> 9:00pm till 8:00am > >> Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy >juices, > >> And Aliens. > >> > >> Area 1 Circle in Unity: > >> Richard Summerhayes > >> Jazz-e uvt new resident > >> Jim Hopkins -uvt > >> Eric Michelle-uvt > >> Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > >> Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > >> Melanie-love sf > >> Introducing: Justin Kauai > >> > >> Area 2 Circle of love: > >> Keith Edwards- Solid groves > >> Allen Octavo-FGE > >> Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > >> Lsdj > >> Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > >> Psykoral - Raven > >> Tyme -Raven > >> Celsius - Projekt 9 > >> Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > >> > >> Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > >> Pete Nice W/ > >> Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > >> Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > >> KAOS > >> DRSK > >> TICAL > >> Nick > >> http://www.core-nrg.net > >> http://www.unityvibetribe.com > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68629-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 22:59:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97755 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 22:59:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97722 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 22:59:22 -0000 Message-ID: <9B33F86286B97345921B434B51FB233110385E@sfoexc03.eidos.com> From: Nicholas Wilson To: "'Greg Sandler'" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:56:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10B25.E54319C0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10B25.E54319C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ooo pier 10 or 12 in s.f. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Sandler [mailto:ascend@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:42 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE information? Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue information... Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the right answer! Peace and love, Greg Sandler ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10B25.E54319C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO?

ooo pier 10 or 12 in s.f.

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Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED = AREA 51 VENUE information?

Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA = 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue = information...

Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is = going to take place... I will give a free ticket to the first person = that gets the right answer!

Peace and love,

Greg Sandler

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10B25.E54319C0-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- From sfraves-return-68630-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:02:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2206 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:02:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2195 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:02:27 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com, nbthump@topica.com From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:00:49 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-198-206-108.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.206.108]; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:02:21 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP Candy Garden Tickets on Sale New Info! We just added a 200 sq ft massage TENT with tapestries and ambient vibe by the massage therapists at anahauta collective...theyll give free massages all night. Candy Garden An organic playground for bio-electric machinelles. Tickets Are on sale for 15 dollars for a limited presale (200), $20 regular pre-sale, and $25 door at Skills in Berkeley, f8 in San Fran, The Clove in Santa Rosa (NO SERVICE CHARGE THERE!), Subsonic Underground in Sac, and Harmonics in Santa Rosa Lineup includes: Just Added: Spyhunter from Hawaii! Failure Shaman Simon Apex Telene Uphonic Elemental (DJ/VJ - live visual mixes) Iris Kid DJ DJ D Pistachio Anonymous More TBA this week! All ages till 4am 750 capacity. 200 free candi-coloured glo-stix Free coffee all night Tons of free candy (of course) Free energetic massages all night by certified professionals More free stuff TBA. This venue is one of the coolest we've seen, and not to be missed. .complete with cages and platforms to dance on and in, full concessions, raised DJ booth, giant outdoor smoking garden, plus amazing bluegreen art and props. Fully permitted and secured...make sure not be left out of this event!!! For this event we are not going to invest in 2 foot by 3 foot flyers, as we want the ravers who actually are more influenced by quality and vibe to come. Not SIMPLY flyer size (how boring). We want to invest in lazerz, lighting, beats, sound, the venue, and super cool props and flyers, AND give the rest away in FREE stuff...we just aren't size queens here at bluegreen, and are a little annoyed with this mentality where ONLY flyer size counts. Oh well...We'll get over it. We love you guys who still know what it's about. Come on out and have a great time --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68631-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:11:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13128 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:11:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13114 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:11:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712231114.4771.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Phaedrus - AKA Eeyore To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) CYBERFEST 2001 > ok i'm taking bets...who actaully thinks that eminem will > perform at this event? Either they'll all be there or they won't. Apparently, the members of D12 have been friends for quite some time, and made a pact that whoever became famous first would go back to get the others. The name D12 is something they came up with to reference "the Dirty Dozen." They were all gung-ho about making these wild west songs and then they found out that the Dirty Dozen is actually a war movie. Kind of a surprise actually - everything I've read about Eminem indicates that he's a fairly intelligent guy. Anyway, I don't think Eminem has any intention of letting an opportunity pass to make fun of ravers. All I can say is that Cyberfest is definitely NOT on my list of things to do... Peace! - Graham * * * * * * * * * * * P H A E D R U S * * FreedomRingSF * * * * * * * * * * * __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68632-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:12:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14784 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:12:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14774 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <010001c10b27$d316c740$e495d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: , , , Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:10:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND Continues... Happy Kids 4 Year Extravaganza! can some one please tell me why this party is 18 & up isnt supposed to be happy KIDS not happy adults -----Original Message----- From: Dan Carr To: sfraves ; sac raves ; bay area happycore ; f8 Date: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND Continues... Happy Kids 4 Year Extravaganza! >That's right kids! Saturday night is your night to get down and get funky >Happy Kids' style! We're bringing you an incredible party like you haven't >had since 1999! We're bringing parties back to the bay, like only Happy Kids >can! > >in the heart of the bay area rave scene, we're bring you a party where it >all started: > > >Happy Kids presents in OAKLAND: > >THE LEGEND CONTINUES... > >This is a FULLY PERMITTED PARTY that where the music won't stop until 7 AM!! > >That's right! you're not getting out of this party until the sun is high in >the sky! > > > >In The Palace of Pixies: > >***AMOKALIPSE NOW 2001 WORLD TOUR*** featuring: > >CHRIS C and MADAM ZU > >These UK-Hardhouse/NRG superstar's are going be performing at LEGEND in the >first ever joint bay area apperance! > >Dyloot (skills) >Thee-o (Biohazzard-LA) >DJ D (www.dj-d.com) >Elias Smith (Happy Kids) >Ian Vogel (Happy Kids) >Impulse (Unity/Happy Kids) > > >In the Sea Of Sorcery: > >STEVEN SACKS (deephouse.com/Atlanta, GA) >Steven sacks is Atlanta's very own house superstar! When he's banging away >at the decks, there's no way you can resist stompin' your feet! > >Spyhunter (spyhunter.com/liquidmercury/Hawaii's biggest trance/breaks star) >Koris (Liquidmercury/Switzerland's hottest trance techno guru) >Happy Kid Marty (Happy kids/Bay Area's funkiest house DJ) >Fossil feat MC^2 (Illuminous Illuminati/Seattle's premiere >Drum'n'bass/Jungle DJ/MC Combo) >Greg Sandler (Harmony) >Braq (Happy Kids) >Mariposa (Happy Kids) >DJ Chris (Happy Kids) > > >In the Kingdom of Kandy: > >Paulina Taylor (H3/Hypersound) >LA's very own happycore god is going to grace our party with more energy >than you can handle! > >Spree (Sonicfury.net/Minneapolis,MN) >Anthony Mad (Subsonic Underground/SAC) >Cloudskipper (Sonicfury.net/SF) >Valerie Sparks (Liquidvinyldjs.com/Supernova Recordings/Sac) >Tronic *official record release for Resistance Records* >Climaxxx (twenty1.crew.com/SF) >Kid Cosmo (Happy Kids) > >$33 presales available at Skills, F8, Solid Grooves, Subsonic Underground, >and harmonics! Saturday tickets will only be available at Skills DJ workshop >(which is located only a short 5 minute drive from our venue) and at the >door! > >Happy Kids Info: >415.262.0210 >510.873.0210 > >We invite all responsible party goers to come and bring a high vibe! please >respect each other and remember that you guys are the people who truly make >our parties spectacular! > >see ya there smilin/connection through affection > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68633-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:12:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15301 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:12:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15267 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:12:43 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:12:33 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: SF Raves List , "frequency-8" , "djd-list" , ravenproductions list Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010712231234.HRSV9548.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Official March On City Hall Info. i've left a message for kenneth -- but want to advise that i would think it would be much more effective to rally people to participate in the sflnc rally that's in the works (if you'd like to be part of planning that -- or help in any way with the sflnc -- come to our "what can i do to help" meeting next tuesday, 7/17 at 7pm at 150 folsom) -- it's very challenging to pull of large protests, and as they say "united we stand, divided we fall" and... it is imperative that any protest have a very specific message. not just "right to dance until dawn" (since there are a number of all-night permitted venues in san francisco), but something specific -- because the purpose of a rally or a march is to gain media attention as well as show solidarity and numbers who share a cause. the sflnc has worked for two years to create a visible face of late-night in san francisco, and a voice for our concerns. we've done three rallies already, and would love that the one we're working on for later this year really be a huge success. leslie ---------- >From: Kenneth Bice >To: SF Raves List , frequency-8 , djd-list , ravenproductions list >Subject: [sfraves] Official March On City Hall Info. >Date: Thu, Jul 12, 2001, 3:28 PM > >Ok so seeing as how i started all of this today i feel >that it is now my duty and responsibility to take some >action on everything. I would like to coordinate a >small group of around 10-15 people that would be willing >to meet and discuss the proposed march on city hall. >please contact me privately so that we may speak more >on the subject and duties that you will be taking on. > >Also just to make sure everyone is clear on this... >we will be making sure to take the right steps >to any coarse of action on this, we will be >making sure that all decisions are informed and >made with wisdom. This should be something to benefit >the scene not hurt it, if it happens it will be a >peaceful march, not trying to hurt anyone or anything >or cause any problems. > >Well if you have any questions please reply back to me >privately and if you would like to be a part of this >shoot me an email. > >laterz >kenneth > >ps. FOR CLARIFICATION, this is all just talk right now... >there are no plans "YET" to actually march on the hall. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68634-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:17:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20050 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:17:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20018 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:17:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:16:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 23:16:47.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[B90F2760:01C10B28] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [bsp] freebie tomorrow night....21+ Friday night...Two rooms, nice bar, cool people, 8+ local dj's rotating all night long, great music, FREE. 10pm-2am 65 Post St. downtown San Jose. Hope to see some of you there! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68635-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:18:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22361 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:18:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22348 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:18:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712231840.33794.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] george george george of the jungle whats going on in the drum and bass arena this weekend? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68636-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:23:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28450 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:23:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28440 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:23:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:22:22 -0700 From: IntenSmile In-reply-to: <20010712231840.33794.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [nrr] text attachments? Is anyone else getting a .txt attachment with every SFR email? I am, it just started happening today. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68637-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:30:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36182 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:30:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36170 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:30:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712233006.99815.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilez Krazimann To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! mike sed: >the *sketchiness* five years ago was so much more fun >& funky than the big-business crapola and suburban e >monkeys sucking raves dead now. At least there was >still a sense of adventure when irresponisble >promoters put their asses on the line for a bust-bait >party. > >eyeballing the current SOMA vacancy rate with hope & >curiosity, gilez sez: http://www.cafepress.com/mr_magooski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68638-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:37:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43345 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:37:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43335 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:37:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712233746.9183.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tera Ball To: Guillermo , sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, djd-list@dj-d.com, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <010001c10b27$d316c740$e495d6cf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-591561285-994981066=:8641" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND Continues... Happy Kids 4 Year Extravaganza! --0-591561285-994981066=:8641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii since when are adults 18? :) It prolly is because everything seems to be 18+ lately. It is hard to find venues that will do all ages. Guillermo wrote: can some one please tell me why this party is 18 & up isnt supposed to be happy KIDS not happy adults -----Original Message----- From: Dan Carr To: sfraves ; sac raves ; bay area happycore ; f8 Date: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND Continues... Happy Kids 4 Year Extravaganza! >That's right kids! Saturday night is your night to get down and get funky >Happy Kids' style! We're bringing you an incredible party like you haven't >had since 1999! We're bringing parties back to the bay, like only Happy Kids >can! > >in the heart of the bay area rave scene, we're bring you a party where it >all started: > > >Happy Kids presents in OAKLAND: > >THE LEGEND CONTINUES... > >This is a FULLY PERMITTED PARTY that where the music won't stop until 7 AM!! > >That's right! you're not getting out of this party until the sun is high in >the sky! > > > >In The Palace of Pixies: > >***AMOKALIPSE NOW 2001 WORLD TOUR*** featuring: > >CHRIS C and MADAM ZU > >These UK-Hardhouse/NRG superstar's are going be performing at LEGEND in the >first ever joint bay area apperance! > >Dyloot (skills) >Thee-o (Biohazzard-LA) >DJ D (www.dj-d.com) >Elias Smith (Happy Kids) >Ian Vogel (Happy Kids) >Impulse (Unity/Happy Kids) > > >In the Sea Of Sorcery: > >STEVEN SACKS (deephouse.com/Atlanta, GA) >Steven sacks is Atlanta's very own house superstar! When he's banging away >at the decks, there's no way you can resist stompin' your feet! > >Spyhunter (spyhunter.com/liquidmercury/Hawaii's biggest trance/breaks star) >Koris (Liquidmercury/Switzerland's hottest trance techno guru) >Happy Kid Marty (Happy kids/Bay Area's funkiest house DJ) >Fossil feat MC^2 (Illuminous Illuminati/Seattle's premiere >Drum'n'bass/Jungle DJ/MC Combo) >Greg Sandler (Harmony) >Braq (Happy Kids) >Mariposa (Happy Kids) >DJ Chris (Happy Kids) > > >In the Kingdom of Kandy: > >Paulina Taylor (H3/Hypersound) >LA's very own happycore god is going to grace our party with more energy >than you can handle! > >Spree (Sonicfury.net/Minneapolis,MN) >Anthony Mad (Subsonic Underground/SAC) >Cloudskipper (Sonicfury.net/SF) >Valerie Sparks (Liquidvinyldjs.com/Supernova Recordings/Sac) >Tronic *official record release for Resistance Records* >Climaxxx (twenty1.crew.com/SF) >Kid Cosmo (Happy Kids) > >$33 presales available at Skills, F8, Solid Grooves, Subsonic Underground, >and harmonics! Saturday tickets will only be available at Skills DJ workshop >(which is located only a short 5 minute drive from our venue) and at the >door! > >Happy Kids Info: >415.262.0210 >510.873.0210 > >We invite all responsible party goers to come and bring a high vibe! please >respect each other and remember that you guys are the people who truly make >our parties spectacular! > >see ya there smilin/connection through affection > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-591561285-994981066=:8641-- From sfraves-return-68639-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:40:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48526 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:40:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48509 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:40:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: Gilez Krazimann cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010712233006.99815.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! Giles, yer a punkass. ;) >mike sed: > >>the *sketchiness* five years ago was so much more fun >>& funky than the big-business crapola and suburban e >>monkeys sucking raves dead now. At least there was >>still a sense of adventure when irresponisble >>promoters put their asses on the line for a bust-bait >>party. >> >>eyeballing the current SOMA vacancy rate with hope & >>curiosity, > >gilez sez: > >http://www.cafepress.com/mr_magooski > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68640-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:42:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50263 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:42:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50241 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:42:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: Gilez Krazimann cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! ...but you used Officina Sans which was my favorite font for a brief portion of last October, so big up! -mike. >Giles, yer a punkass. ;) > >>mike sed: >> >>>the *sketchiness* five years ago was so much more fun >>>& funky than the big-business crapola and suburban e >>>monkeys sucking raves dead now. At least there was >>>still a sense of adventure when irresponisble >>>promoters put their asses on the line for a bust-bait >>>party. >>> >>>eyeballing the current SOMA vacancy rate with hope & >>>curiosity, >> >>gilez sez: >> >>http://www.cafepress.com/mr_magooski >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >>http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68641-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:48:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56044 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:48:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56033 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:48:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712234816.57666.qmail@web10802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilez Krazimann To: Mike Migurski Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! --- Mike Migurski wrote: > ...but you used Officina Sans which was my favorite > font for a brief > portion of last October, so big up! *grin* I used to want to work for MetaDesign. back when I was broke as hell livin in Chicago I got Carlos Segura to let me do T-26's web site, but I totally didn't have the knowhow to do a good job back then. so in the end somebody else did it. but he did give me a ton of free fonts...and, what little humility I possess comes from that experience... giles __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68642-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:49:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58917 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:49:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58907 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:49:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712234925.26250.qmail@web10805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilez Krazimann To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! --- Mike Migurski wrote: > Giles, yer a punkass. ;) oh nobody knew that. ALERT THE MEDIA!!! g money __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68643-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 12 23:54:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68506 invoked by uid 1104); 12 Jul 2001 23:54:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68490 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 23:54:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.67] From: "Cheese" To: "knowmad AE" , References: <20010712224743.18775.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:54:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 23:54:14.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4646AA0:01C10B2D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE Hey guys, My dad is selling his 1961 4 door Corvair Monza... This would make a good project for anyone who would like to spiff-out an old car... i have some pictures up @ http://bayarearavers.com if you wanted to check them out... he is asking for $1200 and the car is currently located in Cupertino... email me back if your intersted... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68644-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:04:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76178 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:04:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76165 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:04:38 -0000 Message-ID: <002601c10b2f$d842f600$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: References: <20010712224743.18775.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:07:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE Isn't the Corvair the car said to be unsafe at any speed? Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: "knowmad AE" ; Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE > Hey guys, > > My dad is selling his 1961 4 door Corvair Monza... This would make a good > project for anyone who would like to spiff-out an old car... > > i have some pictures up @ http://bayarearavers.com if you wanted to check > them out... > > he is asking for $1200 and the car is currently located in Cupertino... > > email me back if your intersted... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68645-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:04:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77430 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:04:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77420 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:04:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:04:45 -0700 Message-Id: <200107130004.RAA10229@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [64.167.148.213] From: "Stephanie Bitters" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, asindee@yahoo.com, cancontrl@hotmail.com Cc: ianmcdonelle@flashflyer.net X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: Re: [sfraves] Some issues on Compression at An Sibin and venting I feel no responsibility to explain carding issues to any United States Citizen who tries to enter a bar without an I.D. It just seems like a common sense thing that everyone who lives in America should understand. This is a response not to the person who thinks that we, Compression, are wack for carding people and so on, but to anyone who goes to the club. Due to the small venue and crowds many people are on the street. There was an incident involving minors drinking alcohol on the street outside of Compression because they could not get in. The San Francisco Police have made it known that they will enter the venue and I.D. everyone inside if this happens again. I am not willing to be personally responsible for the heavy consequences this would cause just because you may look familiar and don't happen to have I.D. Please realize that you must be 21 to come to Compression Sundays and we are strictly enforcing the 21 and up with I.D. rule. As for the cover charge. It seems an obvious thing, yet again, that charging three to five dollars for the talent that we have come through is not for a profit. Although we do use our friends and connections to have talent come through the DJs are always compensated. Stephanie .COMPRESSION. >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:48:59 -0700 (PDT) > The Summer Dean Machine , sfraves@hyperreal.orgCc: sf-jungle@saturn5.com > Re: [sfraves] Some issues on Compression at An Sibin and venting >first of all, bars and clubs HAVE to card people, its >not the rules of the promoter, it is the rule of the >club. if you get hurt inside or something, and cops >are involved, and you don't have id on you, the club >is responsible and will get in trouble. > >secondly, there is a cover charge to raise money to >bring in big names, like John B next Sunday or any >other big name they bring in. As a promoter, i can >tell you, charging $3 a head will NOT make you a >profit, they are trying to keep the night going, just >like the rest of us who do weeklies. > >Its your own fault if you forgot your id, not theirs, >and if you have such a problem with their so called >'elite-ness' or social politics, then just don't go. >with that attitude, its probably better that you don't >come back anyway. > >The Summer > >--- Dean Machine wrote: >> hi there i just want to make it known how >> ridiculously wack compression is >> at an sibin...for anyone that has been there before, >> u know that even though >> it is a "21+" club, it is really 18 and over....I go >> to an sibin a lot not >> just for compression but for other weekly events >> that go on there...i think >> it is a cool place so im not going to rag on the >> venue but i am gonna talk >> some ish about compression... >> >> i remember when i was a raver a while ago, these >> same people who were so >> busy with their social politics, are still >> pathetic, name dropping, >> scenester jerk offs...so wrapped up in their own >> little scene they need to >> get off their high horses...now it is just funny to >> me, now being 21 that >> the same shit those people were pulling is still >> going on..it's totally >> pathetic >> >> so i get to compression last Sunday and i have been >> there many many many >> times...obviously recognizable...now on the way in i >> forgot to bring my >> wallet and therefore my ID...the door girls who have >> seen me many times made >> a huge deal about my ID even though the bartender >> and other people could >> vouch for me...well they were immensely rude because >> i was not part of their >> cool inner circle...but it made me mad because i >> could see in the bar that >> there were people that i know for a fact are not 21 >> let alone even 20!!! >> Then to make matter worse they jack me for my 20 >> bucks and are rude about it >> too.... >> >> now to go past their rudeness and immaturity...all i >> have to say is that >> compression is not a club for people to have >> fun...compression is a club for >> CERTAIN "cool inner circle" people to enjoy >> themselves....plus charging a >> cover charge when the promoter does not pay any rent >> for the venue, nor for >> the tables (that are permanent in the club) and the >> djs/Mcs (who are friends >> with the premoters)...so basically they make about >> over 100 percent profit >> >> oh well im not trying to deter anyone else going to >> compression but i for >> one will never go on sunday nights ever again... >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org I C Q 35083990 ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68646-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:15:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83667 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:15:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83646 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:15:24 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "Mike Migurski" , "Gilez Krazimann" Cc: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:23:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 00:14:54.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[D75A0020:01C10B30] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! naw that was fuckin dope shit... I havnt seen as playfull well thought out good intentioned flame as that in... well ever. Mad props. Still Dancin for SMILES =) (not quit on mikes level yet) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "Gilez Krazimann" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! > Giles, yer a punkass. ;) > > >mike sed: > > > >>the *sketchiness* five years ago was so much more fun > >>& funky than the big-business crapola and suburban e > >>monkeys sucking raves dead now. At least there was > >>still a sense of adventure when irresponisble > >>promoters put their asses on the line for a bust-bait > >>party. > >> > >>eyeballing the current SOMA vacancy rate with hope & > >>curiosity, > > > >gilez sez: > > > >http://www.cafepress.com/mr_magooski > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68647-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:20:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88197 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:20:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88186 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:20:17 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c10b31$48dc8880$9495d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: "Tera Ball" , , , , Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:17:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C10AF6.86082D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND Continues... Happy Kids 4 Year Extravaganza! ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C10AF6.86082D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ur right 18 yr olds arent adults buut it just pisses me off cuz i wanna = go but im held back by something i cant hlp, my age -----Original Message----- From: Tera Ball To: Guillermo ; sfraves@hyperreal.org = ; frequency-8@squinky.org = ; djd-list@dj-d.com ; = ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND Continues... Happy Kids 4 = Year Extravaganza! =20 =20 since when are adults 18? :)=20 It prolly is because everything seems to be 18+ lately. It is hard = to find venues that will do all ages. =20 Guillermo wrote:=20 can some one please tell me why this party is 18 & up isnt = supposed to be happy KIDS not happy adults -----Original Message----- From: Dan Carr=20 To: sfraves ; sac raves ; bay area happycore ; f8=20 Date: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND Continues... Happy Kids 4 = Year Extravaganza! =20 =20 >That's right kids! Saturday night is your night to get down and = get funky >Happy Kids' style! We're bringing you an incredible party like = you haven't >had since 1999! We're bringing parties back to the bay, like = only Happy Kids >can! > >in the heart of the bay area rave scene, we're bring you a = party where it >all started: > > >Happy Kids presents in OAKLAN! D: > >THE LEGEND CONTINUES... > >This is a FULLY PERMITTED PARTY that where the music won't stop = until 7 AM!! > >That's right! you're not getting out of this party until the = sun is high in >the sky! > > > >In The Palace of Pixies: > >***AMOKALIPSE NOW 2001 WORLD TOUR*** featuring: > >CHRIS C and MADAM ZU > >These UK-Hardhouse/NRG superstar's are going be performing at = LEGEND in the >first ever joint bay area apperance! > >Dyloot (skills) >Thee-o (Biohazzard-LA) >DJ D (www.dj-d.com) >Elias Smith (Happy Kids) >Ian Vogel (Happy Kids) >Impulse (Unity/Happy Kids) > > >In the Sea Of Sorcery: > >STEVEN SACKS (deephouse.com/Atlanta, GA) >Steven sacks is Atlanta's very own house superstar! When he's = banging away >at the decks, there's no way you can resist stompin' your feet! > >S! pyhunter (spyhunter.com/liquidmercury/Hawaii's biggest = trance/breaks star) >Koris (Liquidmercury/Switzerland's hottest trance techno guru) >Happy Kid Marty (Happy kids/Bay Area's funkiest house DJ) >Fossil feat MC^2 (Illuminous Illuminati/Seattle's premiere >Drum'n'bass/Jungle DJ/MC Combo) >Greg Sandler (Harmony) >Braq (Happy Kids) >Mariposa (Happy Kids) >DJ Chris (Happy Kids) > > >In the Kingdom of Kandy: > >Paulina Taylor (H3/Hypersound) >LA's very own happycore god is going to grace our party with = more energy >than you can handle! > >Spree (Sonicfury.net/Minneapolis,MN) >Anthony Mad (Subsonic Underground/SAC) >Cloudskipper (Sonicfury.net/SF) >Valerie Sparks (Liquidvinyldjs.com/Supernova Recordings/Sac) >Tronic *official record release for Resistance Records* >Climaxxx (twenty1.crew.com/SF) >Kid Cosmo (Happy Kids) > >$33 pres! ales available at Skills, F8, Solid Grooves, Subsonic = Underground, >and harmonics! Saturday tickets will only be available at = Skills DJ workshop >(which is located only a short 5 minute drive from our venue) = and at the >door! > >Happy Kids Info: >415.262.0210 >510.873.0210 > >We invite all responsible party goers to come and bring a high = vibe! please >respect each other and remember that you guys are the people = who truly make >our parties spectacular! > >see ya there smilin/connection through affection > = >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > =20 =20 = --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mai! l: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =20 Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C10AF6.86082D80-- From sfraves-return-68648-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:25:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97868 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:25:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97856 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:25:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713002539.66335.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:25:39 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Guillermo , Tera Ball , sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, djd-list@dj-d.com, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001c01c10b31$48dc8880$9495d6cf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND Continues... Happy Kids 4 Year Extravaganza! i think all parties in oakland have to be 18+ right? --- Guillermo wrote: > ur right 18 yr olds arent adults buut it just pisses > me off cuz i wanna go but im held back by something > i cant hlp, my age > -----Original Message----- > From: Tera Ball > To: Guillermo ; > sfraves@hyperreal.org ; > frequency-8@squinky.org ; > djd-list@dj-d.com ; > ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND > Continues... Happy Kids 4 Year Extravaganza! > > > since when are adults 18? :) > > It prolly is because everything seems to be 18+ > lately. It is hard to find venues that will do all > ages. > > Guillermo wrote: > > can some one please tell me why this party > is 18 & up isnt supposed to be > happy KIDS not happy adults > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Carr > To: sfraves ; sac raves ; bay > area happycore ; f8 > Date: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:23 PM > Subject: [sfraves] **BSP** The LEGEND > Continues... Happy Kids 4 Year > Extravaganza! > > > >That's right kids! Saturday night is your > night to get down and get funky > >Happy Kids' style! We're bringing you an > incredible party like you haven't > >had since 1999! We're bringing parties back > to the bay, like only Happy > Kids > >can! > > > >in the heart of the bay area rave scene, > we're bring you a party where it > >all started: > > > > > >Happy Kids presents in OAKLAN! D: > > > >THE LEGEND CONTINUES... > > > >This is a FULLY PERMITTED PARTY that where > the music won't stop until 7 > AM!! > > > >That's right! you're not getting out of > this party until the sun is high in > >the sky! > > > > > > > >In The Palace of Pixies: > > > >***AMOKALIPSE NOW 2001 WORLD TOUR*** > featuring: > > > >CHRIS C and MADAM ZU > > > >These UK-Hardhouse/NRG superstar's are > going be performing at LEGEND in the > >first ever joint bay area apperance! > > > >Dyloot (skills) > >Thee-o (Biohazzard-LA) > >DJ D (www.dj-d.com) > >Elias Smith (Happy Kids) > >Ian Vogel (Happy Kids) > >Impulse (Unity/Happy Kids) > > > > > >In the Sea Of Sorcery: > > > >STEVEN SACKS (deephouse.com/Atlanta, GA) > >Steven sacks is Atlanta's very own house > superstar! When he's banging away > >at the decks, there's no way you can resist > stompin' your feet! > > > >S! pyhunter > (spyhunter.com/liquidmercury/Hawaii's biggest > trance/breaks star) > >Koris (Liquidmercury/Switzerland's hottest > trance techno guru) > >Happy Kid Marty (Happy kids/Bay Area's > funkiest house DJ) > >Fossil feat MC^2 (Illuminous > Illuminati/Seattle's premiere > >Drum'n'bass/Jungle DJ/MC Combo) > >Greg Sandler (Harmony) > >Braq (Happy Kids) > >Mariposa (Happy Kids) > >DJ Chris (Happy Kids) > > > > > >In the Kingdom of Kandy: > > > >Paulina Taylor (H3/Hypersound) > >LA's very own happycore god is going to > grace our party with more energy > >than you can handle! > > > >Spree (Sonicfury.net/Minneapolis,MN) > >Anthony Mad (Subsonic Underground/SAC) > >Cloudskipper (Sonicfury.net/SF) > >Valerie Sparks > (Liquidvinyldjs.com/Supernova Recordings/Sac) > >Tronic *official record release for > Resistance Records* > >Climaxxx (twenty1.crew.com/SF) > >Kid Cosmo (Happy Kids) > > > >$33 pres! ales available at Skills, F8, > Solid Grooves, Subsonic Underground, > >and harmonics! Saturday tickets will only > be available at Skills DJ > workshop > >(which is located only a short 5 minute > drive from our venue) and at the > >door! > > > >Happy Kids Info: > >415.262.0210 > >510.873.0210 > > > >We invite all responsible party goers to > come and bring a high vibe! please > >respect each other and remember that you > guys are the people who truly make > >our parties spectacular! > > > >see ya there smilin/connection through > affection > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mai! l: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! > Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68649-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:27:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99557 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:27:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99543 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:27:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:27:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [BSP] Rhythmethod + Absolute Zero tomorrow The RhythMethod and Absolute Zero present: One Night Stand Friday, July 13th RM DJs: Ethan Joe Rice Greg Ti-Fred A0 DJs: Drenalin vs. Syncr B. Behlendorf Caliban Kamahele info: 415.270.3940 Mambo Mambo 1803 Webster at 19th st Downtown Oakland 10pm - closing 21+ - $7 more info: in blue & white - http://www.cloudfactory.org/absolutezero in red & yellow - http://www.rhythmethod.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68650-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:30:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2849 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:30:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2838 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:30:58 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:32:20 -0800 From: MODA To: TechnoRepublic Staff , sfraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Can we PLEASE have some 18+ clubs? Have you been out to Future on Fridays at the Maritime Basement? We've had some of the artists you've mentioned play at our club. This Friday, the 13th, I'll be playing a 5 hour set in the main room, next Friday, we have Renaissance UK Artist, Spesh Gil, so if you're up for some good tribal house, come on by! 8) MODA On 7/11/01 12:01 PM, "TechnoRepublic Staff" wrote: > Week by week, day by day, I notice various events with good talent that > catch my eye. But as more time passes, I try not to even bother, because > its almost a given that its 21+. >=20 > Organic, Phuturo, Come-Unity, Le Freak, DeLuxe, Recycle, Release, Spundae= , > Nikita, Scuba, 12 Monkeys, Usual, Voodoo Lounge, Velvet Shop, etc. All o= f > which I have had, or still have, interest in, and can't attend. Anywhere= I > can find good house/techno/dnb for the 18+ (ie: Trevor Rockliffe, DJ Dan, > Ian Pooley, Misstress Barbara, Stacey Pullen, Gene Farris, Junior Sanchez= , > Roger Sanchez, Angel Alanis, DJ Sneak, Terry Mullan, Doc Martin, Derrick > Carter, Jeno, Tony, Mark Farina, Andy C, Ed Rush, Bad Company, Masters at > Work, Dj Pierre, Richie Hawtin, Billy Nasty, Kosheen, John Aquaviva, Onio= nz, > just to name a few)??? >=20 > >=20 > Can we have some good house/techno/dnb clubs for the 18 n up? >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ///brianTHOMAS/// > ///technoREPUBLIC.net/// >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D T R A N C E F U S I O N M U S I C 1809 Gouldin Road =80 Oakland =80 CA =80 94611 PH. (415) 215-1612 FAX (510) 339-3887 http://www.trancefusion.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68651-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:32:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4289 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:32:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4279 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:32:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:31:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: LAGISTRATE cc: Gilez Krazimann , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! I'd hardly call it a flame, but it was pretty damn funny. :) can I get my shirt in black? >naw that was fuckin dope shit... I havnt seen as playfull well thought out >good intentioned flame as that in... well ever. Mad props. > >Still Dancin for SMILES =) (not quit on mikes level yet) >Cliff >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Migurski" >To: "Gilez Krazimann" >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:40 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! > > >> Giles, yer a punkass. ;) >> >> >mike sed: >> > >> >>the *sketchiness* five years ago was so much more fun >> >>& funky than the big-business crapola and suburban e >> >>monkeys sucking raves dead now. At least there was >> >>still a sense of adventure when irresponisble >> >>promoters put their asses on the line for a bust-bait >> >>party. >> >> >> >>eyeballing the current SOMA vacancy rate with hope & >> >>curiosity, >> > >> >gilez sez: >> > >> >http://www.cafepress.com/mr_magooski >> > >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org >> tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski >> http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68652-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:36:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6625 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:36:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6614 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:36:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.67] From: "Cheese" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , References: <20010712224743.18775.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> <002601c10b2f$d842f600$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:36:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 00:35:40.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE286300:01C10B33] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE yep! it's because of the weight in the back... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eckö" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE > Isn't the Corvair the car said to be unsafe at any speed? > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheese" > To: "knowmad AE" ; > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:54 PM > Subject: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE > > > > Hey guys, > > > > My dad is selling his 1961 4 door Corvair Monza... This would make a good > > project for anyone who would like to spiff-out an old car... > > > > i have some pictures up @ http://bayarearavers.com if you wanted to check > > them out... > > > > he is asking for $1200 and the car is currently located in Cupertino... > > > > email me back if your intersted... > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68653-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:39:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9607 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:39:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9597 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:39:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713003948.64315.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Teks To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-104249053-994984788=:63443" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NATURAL HALLUCINATION.... --0-104249053-994984788=:63443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Check this out! It's a trip. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-104249053-994984788=:63443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-104249053-994984788=:63443-- From sfraves-return-68654-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:44:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14511 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:44:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14501 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:44:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:38:05 -0700 From: GROUNDSCORE X-Sender: dMarie@mail.groundscore.net To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Breaks Party tonight: NASTY! Question: What's dank and funky and smells like cheap perfume and male goats, but is strangely irresistable at the same time? Answer: Nasty! It's the nu-skool breaks and funky electro night that has got people making strange hip movements and saying things like "Yikes!" Queen Agnes B (SF) J Rivera vs 8Ball (Space Cowboys, DEA) XJS (Sister SF, Nasty!, Epiphany) MC Linzee (Sister SF, Nasty!) live digeridu: Frogger (Hektic, Poly's Playhouse) It's at The Cellar, 685 Sutter at Taylor, 9pm-2am, 21+ $5 be there or be left wondering what all the fuss is about.... Message sent by Linzee from the Groudscore office. Contact mclinzee@yahoo.com if you have any questions. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68655-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 00:44:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14753 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 00:44:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14694 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 00:44:32 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:45:54 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves CC: sacraves , fresnoraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3077804754_595553" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] F U T U R E Schedule for July/August (bsp) --B_3077804754_595553 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Here's what we have going on at Future for the next few weeks....... Friday, July 13th=20 F U C H N O F R I D A Y featuring 5 hour dj set from MODA ------------------------ Friday, July 20th Renaissance UK Recording Artist S P E S H G I L + M O D A ----------------------- Friday, July 27th G I R L P O W E R ! featuring.... K E N D R A F R E N C H D E N I S E aka D J D M E L A N I E D J E L Z ----------------- Friday, August 3rd G I A N N I M O R G A N ----------------- Friday, August 10th T H O M A S T R O U B L E U P H O N I C Coming Soon........ D O R A N (Crush Recordings, Los Angeles) P H I L S M A R T (Reachin=B9 Records, Australia) oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I N T H E F U L L - B A R L O U N G E . . . . ::::::::: T H E I N D U S T R Y L O U N G E :::::::::: featuring... J O E L A N Z O N J A V I E R + special guest.... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D F U T U R E 375 First Street & Harrison in SF 18 & Over with valid ID Full-Bar Lounge for 21 and up! 9 pm - 2 am $10 before 10 pm $15 after 10 pm For more info, please call 415.281.0866 or http://www.globalparty.com --B_3077804754_595553-- From sfraves-return-68656-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 01:29:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38896 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 01:29:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38886 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 01:29:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20250444.994987710248.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: protokol To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 64.66.194.250 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) CYBERFEST 2001 i just hope they're not playing in the jungle room. the jungle line-up is the reason why i'm even considering to attend this function. :9 On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:11:14 -0700 (PDT), DJ Phaedrus - AKA Eeyore wrote: > > ok i'm taking bets...who actaully thinks that eminem will > > perform at this event? > > Either they'll all be there or they won't. Apparently, the members of D12 have > been friends for quite some time, and made a pact that whoever became famous > first would go back to get the others. The name D12 is something they came up > with to reference "the Dirty Dozen." They were all gung-ho about making these > wild west songs and then they found out that the Dirty Dozen is actually a war > movie. Kind of a surprise actually - everything I've read about Eminem > indicates that he's a fairly intelligent guy. > > Anyway, I don't think Eminem has any intention of letting an opportunity pass > to make fun of ravers. All I can say is that Cyberfest is definitely NOT on my > list of things to do... > > Peace! > > - Graham > > * * * * * * * * * * > * P H A E D R U S * > * FreedomRingSF * > * * * * * * * * * * > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68657-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 01:48:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54171 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 01:48:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54161 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 01:48:28 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:59:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HOUSE MUSIC 101: Issue 22 - The Eighties, Part 2 "Well, if not for AIDS, New York would have a lot more geniuses walking the streets, that's for sure. AIDS took some of the most ferocious and creative spirits who were determined to live the largest possible lives and to take risks that they may not have known were mortal." -Michael Cunningham, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of "The Hours," quoted by Patrick Giles, "AIDS-Twenty Years and Counting" (Interview, Vol. XXXI, No. 7, July 2001), p.93. "I live now on borrowed time, waiting in the anteroom for the summons that will inevitably come. And then - I go on to the next thing, whatever it is. One doesn't luckily have to bother about that." -Agatha Christie XXII. THE EIGHTIES, PART 2: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF DANCING IN A PLAGUE. House music evolved at a time of great spiritual darkness. In the middle of a plague that was killing dancers, musicians, DJs and others connected with music and dance by the thousands. One would expect that music created in this dark night of the soul would be characterized by soulfulness -- a crying to the heavens. And that, indeed, is house. Music of the heart and soul which can transport dancers from the pain of life to the transcendental joy and happiness of tribal union with the Other. There is another side to house, every bit as compelling as the spiritual. This element of the music is defiantly physical, sexual, dark and sweaty. Jackin' the body to get to the soul. Celebrating sexuality even though sexual love seemed to be a sure route to death of the body. The overtly sexual, sensual lyrics of much early house might surprise some, given the context in which this music was produced. But those who continued to dance in the eighties were not people who bowed to the grim reaper and waited at home to die. These courageous dancers, producers and DJs celebrated life -- music, dance and sexuality -- and the spirit whilst the blackness of the plague enveloped their communities. A. JEROME CAJA Jerome Caja typified the kind of dancers I shared the floor with in the eighties -- the kind of person Hemingway would have said exemplified "grace under pressure." This bullfighter, if you will, danced daily with death. Yet he danced with such exuberance, spirit and grace that one would have never guessed he was one of those who was losing the battle with AIDS. Jerome was born and raised in a small Northern Ohio town. Like many gay dancers and DJs I knew, he had been an altar boy -- and was a deeply spiritual man. Jerome came to San Francisco to live freely as a gay man, artist and drag queen. Jerome was an exceptionally gifted and creative visual artist. Using media like nail polish and eyeliner he created on a variety of surfaces images that wedded the sexual with the spiritual. Artistic works that, to me, were metaphorical images for house music. In "Sacred Heart Circle Jerk", for example, Christ has a heart and a cock. Like Jerome, those of us who participated as dancers and/or producers in the creation of the house knew that the only way to the soul was through the body; that sexuality and mysticism are two sides of the same coin; that denying either, by bifurcating body and soul, can lead to living death. Someone once said to Jerome after he was diagnosed with AIDS: "Don't you think it's time you stopped having sex?" Jerome's reply was: "Not until they drive the nails into my coffin." So it was with dancing. Jerome danced vigorously until he could no longer walk to the floor. He conserved his increasingly limited energies to work in his studio and to dance. He was a fixture at Club Uranus and other parties in town, both gay and rave oriented. Appearing in fabulously wicked drag costumes, he was always near the center of the fun and dancing as a go-go boy, host, and jacker on the floor. Whatever little money he made from his art he gave back to the dance community. He was like a pagan priest at many parties, distributing "communion" piece by piece from a sheet of blotter acid to other dancers, dancers who like him were dancing for their very lives. When he was going blind from CMV he described the coming darkness that others called the horror of darkening: "But it's not like that at all. It's like looking into the sun..." After his death, Jerome's work was exhibited at the San Francisco Museum for Modern Art, and a book was published on his art entitled "Jerome: After the Pageant." B. DANCING IN A PLAGUE Much has been written about the psychology of death and dying. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross's work is well-known as are her stages of grieving: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Like many attempts to categorize experience these neat little stages touch on some of the elements of the human confrontation with death but, as I found when I tried to force my own and others' personal dramas in the eighties into these slots, they fail to capture the complex realities of passage -- especially the communal experience that was and is AIDS. There was certainly lots of denial going around when the disease first struck the gay community. For me, and others, the denial took the form of increased drug usage and even more dancing and sex. But as the dance floors started to thin, friends started to disappear at an alarming rate, and Christopher and Castro Streets turned into ghost towns at night, only those with highly developed perceptual defenses could ignore the obvious. Many in the gay community went from denial of the realities of AIDS to denial of life. I make no judgments here. Folks get through the night as best as they can. Some left dancing and communal life altogether. Moved, as they used to say, to "upper State New York." Fear and self-hatred infected the souls of others, making physical and emotional love impossible. A few spent much time preparing for death and became obsessed with the process. Others threw themselves into 24/7 careers to keep the thoughts of mortality away. I heard about these people, but I knew few of them. My associations had always been with the risk-takers; those who lived the "largest possible lives." These were the tribe of dancers I loved, and these people, like Jerome, continued to celebrate life in the face of death even through that effort became more difficult and exhausting as each year wore by. The very real prospect that one's life may end prematurely does, indeed, bring a focus that those who think they have plenty of time do not generally have. Material things become less important and experience becomes the center of living as, I believe, it should. A cliché, yes. Dancing through the plague for the past twenty years has been like riding a roller coaster with a psycho god in control. But there has been clarity. Much clarity amidst all the pain. I came to know depression as a frequent visitor to the mind. Debilitating in the beginning, for the destruction of all I knew and loved was unbearably painful. Depression can, I think, kill just as efficiently as any disease. My anecdote for depression, and this is true for the other dancers in the plague, was and is music and dance. Whatever was left of the gay community was infused with genuine energy and spirit through dance. What brought us together as a community helped us bear all the pain over the years. I am convinced that the thing that saved me and my partner all these years is the music and the dancing. Those who stopped dancing, as far as I could see, died either physically or spiritually. A DJ not only saved our souls but our bodies. And the music that redeemed us; the music that lifted our souls above the ruin; that made the sexuality and the spirituality positive life-giving forces for us was -- house music. Dancing to that music from the mid-eighties on; making that music; spinning the house -- this, more than career, conventional religion and family, and materialism kept our libidos powerfully sexual and our souls in touch with the goodness in the universe. The house music came from people who were not accepting of death, but defiant in the face of death. People who were determined to celebrate sex and spirit and create light in the darkness. So we continued to dance. We continued to celebrate our sexuality, albeit safely. We defied the conservatism around us and those who would demonize pleasures of the body and spirit and built house and EDM. We helped those who were dying, yes. We nurtured those fighting to stay alive. We focused anger into activism and created organizations like ACT UP and Queer Nation. The music and the dancing, however, even though greatly diminished and more underground than ever, gave us the strength and energy to live and fight our personal and collective battles. I am often called an idealist, especially when it concerns EDM and its power to create community and give life. If that is so, my ideals do not come from some Platonic world of forms. My belief in the power of EDM is not theoretical. For some it may be a commercial opportunity or a pleasant past time. Even worse, a passion that is reserved for youth and discarded with maturity. For me, and for those of us who danced through the plague years, it has been a part of life every bit as crucial to survival and fulfillment as food, shelter, art and career productivity. When we were lost, ready to give up, burned out and sick of it all, the music was there for us. Friends died, jobs and careers ended, sickness burned at the body, but the music was always there to provide the very real opportunity for positive transformation on the dance floor. Aside from my relationship and true friends, nothing in life has been as faithful to me or as good to me as the music. NEXT: THE EIGHTIES, PART 3 Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68658-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 02:00:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64965 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 02:00:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64950 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 02:00:44 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c10b3f$51e82ca0$8d95d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: , , , Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:57:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10B04.8D363800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hemplified????????? ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10B04.8D363800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable does neone have any info on that 48 hr campout in august called like = hemplified or something like that ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10B04.8D363800-- From sfraves-return-68659-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 02:21:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82055 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 02:21:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82039 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 02:21:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.121.144] From: "craig newman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:20:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 02:20:39.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[68B6C4C0:01C10B42] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] re:area51??? From: "craig newman" To: djesmo@yahoo.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Save Address Subject: Re: [sfraves] ??? AREA51- atten: Greg Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:55:30 -0700 Only Lame people will jump to a conclusion like you did. 1) I dont get f*ucked up, and havent for over a year, 2) t-shirts of parties are not lame, like pictures, they are momentos of great times had in the past 3) I wish that all parties had tshirts or something, because I would buy one at every event I went to, but alas, I know they are expensive, and know that my only chances are at massives. You should think before you start typing, it seems like you ESMO stick you foot in you mouth way too often on this list, and frankly it is lame. Stop jumping to conclusion, and being such an idiot happee_1 From: "E S M O" To: "craig newman" , Subject: Re: [sfraves] ??? AREA51- atten: Greg Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:44:43 -0700 jesus christ i hope there arent any t-shirts... how lame would that be!!! hahaha why do u need a t-shirt to remember your time at tha party.. if u are havin trouble remembering parties... dont get so f*cked up..! L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig newman" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: [sfraves] ??? AREA51- atten: Greg >Hey, I was just wondering if there was going to be any area51 >t-shirts/sweatshirts, or something that will be abailable for purchase at >the party. I hope, so I will be able to remember, that I was part of the >crowd, at what I know will be an of the hook party? Thank, Happee_1 >_________________________________________________________________ Get your >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- To >unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional >commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68660-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 02:33:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89142 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 02:33:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89131 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 02:33:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:36:51 -0700 From: Jacob - SFDance To: Sfraves Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Thanks:) I just sent out the latest edition of the SFDanceShout And...... we have almost 11,000 subscribers and are still a FREE newsletter with no advertisements:) SFDance would like to get people's opinions on our newsletter and what additional services/features people want for it and the website www.sfdance.org Thanks everyone for your support! Hope to see some of you tonight:) -Jacob ------------------- Thanks for supporting the dance community! SFDance Weekly Dance Music/Rave Events Newsletter http://sfdanceshout.listbot.com Sign up to receive a weekly announcement list of San Francisco dance music/community events. Do you dance to the sound of your washing machine? http://www.sfdance.org/ ------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68661-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 03:00:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7973 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 03:00:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7963 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 03:00:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4E6506.49206760@iamthedj.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:03:34 -0700 From: Amber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Frente (remember them?) Subduing my chain music store disgust, I went to Warehouse Music to buy some CDs today. Aging Christmas gift certificates urged me on. I scoured the used CD bins for a good CD and found...Frente! Remember the 1995ish hit acoustic cover of "Bizzare Love Triange"? Yeah, *that* Frente. My Sophomore-year college roommate had the CD "Mavin the Album" and it's every bit as good as I recall. Excellent production quality, unique rhythms and melodies and I just love her voice (similar to the Cardigans lead singer.) I saw Frente live at that goofy club in Palo Alto ("The Edge" is it?) in about 1996. They were great! Live the one-hit-wonder once again. Dig in your local used bin for Frente's "Marvin the Album". You know it! >:)Amber -- Amber .|. http://www.iamthedj.com .|. You hate Amber. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68662-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 03:14:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17824 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 03:14:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17814 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 03:14:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.174] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:13:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 03:13:33.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC5168D0:01C10B49] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] CONSTRUCTION! Going for my first time lastnite was a lot of fun. I am very open to new clubs and new faces, but this club really made me open my eyes. Yeah, you can tell it is a 18+ venue ( so for all of you on this list that are complaining about not having places to dance to, here is the place to go to ). Ok, the people were sorts of fun! Not your average machismo, testerone flying everywhere type of club! This club is strictly for the groovers and house heads. yes there were plenty of those lastnite. The music was off the hook! The people were off the hook! The drinks were sooo strong, i almost couldn't finish mine!! The place is clean, the music was clean, the people were clean, this club is defenitely an A+! For anyone who has not been, i suggest checking this place out. This club defenitely will get me through my work week! I hope to see more of you out there next week and the weeks to come! This club looks like its not going anywhere for awhile! Support NIGHTLIFE. Check out there upcoming rave on the 27th of this month. Look out for fliers around,i know i have seen them at a few other raves!! Ok, once again thanks nightlife production and construction, you will defenitely get my business back! Peace, Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68663-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 03:20:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22696 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 03:20:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22685 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 03:20:33 -0000 Message-ID: <007a01c10b4a$3753aa80$0101a8c0@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "Cheese" , , "Jamie Murray" , "Ari Gordon-Schlosberg" , "sf raves" References: <20010712190031.84054.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:15:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS I still have that sfr laminate. . . I used to have a few of em (diffirent ones) and I'd usually wear them to every party, but the chain broke or something at like 2nd n jackson and now I guess someone else has em. . . : ) you can always make your own and pass em out ?! take care aK --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68664-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 03:21:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24072 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 03:21:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24062 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 03:21:24 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4E69AA.E3A98515@home.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:23:23 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Crystal Method comes to the northbay! Hey everyone, Well something exciting is actually going down in Petaluma on July 27th... The Crystal Method! Now you have no excuse to come up and visit me in cowtown! The Pheonix will be a great venue to see them in because it can be nice and intimate for larger acts like this. I'm kind of excited to see what kind of crowd it will attract since it's not going to be a rave and not the usual punk rock kids. Tickets are $20 and available in the following locations: Harmonics, Last Record Store (Santa Rosa), Music Coop (novato), tickets.com, and tickets.com outlets. Starts at 8, so be there! Peace, Lydia P.S. I saw them on the Cyberfest flier as well, but as I said earlier, seeing them at the Pheonix will be much more intimate and upclose. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68665-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 03:22:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26358 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 03:22:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26347 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 03:22:26 -0000 From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Message-ID: <16.f359549.287fc34f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:21:51 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Eminen @ A "Rave"? My thoughts and concerns (yes as usual, very long!) Sorry that Im a little late on the Eminen and Cool World controversy. I got word of his possible performance at Cyberfest on this list last week, simply because IM not much into big supa-dupa conglomerate parties and automaticly pass up flyers for them when I see them. I don't think they, except in a rare few occations, represent the true rave scene. But that's my little 'ole opinion, and it's OK for others to disagree with me. Anyway, IM not writing this post to trash Cool World or to delibertly say anything bad about them. They are who they are and are going to do what they are going to do no matter what my opinion is of them one way or the other. But my concern got jolted when I heard that Eminen and his group D-12 was going to perform at Cyberfest. Why am I concerned about that when I just said that I don't care about Cool World one way or the other? First, if this was a typical rock concert or some so called gansta rap performance I would have passed that off, along with the attitudes and behavior they express and encourage as being part of their scene. What ever! But Cool World is putting on a huge show and is deliberately advertising this show to the rave culture and calling it a rave, even though to the mainstream world it distances it self from the word "rave" and instead call's it a "music festival." They are advertising to me, a raver (by flyers in record stores and on SFRaves), and trying to convince me and other ravers that this huge show is a rave and is encouraging us to go to their "rave" and then tells us that Eminen/D-12 is performing at this "rave". Now they are mixing it up in my scene and IM rightfully concerned and is compelled to speak up, even if I get hella flamed for it. Secondly, what does Eminen and D-12 have to do with the rave culture? Are they not an antisepsis of each other? I can understand the concept of adding new and fresh ideas and acts to the rave culture, but has Cool World forgotten that there are somethings and some people who do not belong in the rave scene at all and will only pull the scene down and delute it's spirituality the belief in PLUR which supost to be the roots of raving? Even if Cool World did decide to not book Eminen and his group D-12 at Cyberfest, why would they even consider such an idea in the first place? Cool World boast that they are pioneers in the rave culture, if that is really so, then have they, in their growing success and popularity over the years forgotten what raving is really all about? I agree the rave culture can't always be stuck in the "old skool" and need's to evolve in a new era, but spirituality and PLUR is transcendent of place, definitions and time and will always be the foundation of a true rave scene whether it's defined as "old skool" or "new skool". I don't consider myself an expert and as knowledgeable as others on raving, but I have been in the scene for 8-10 years and know this for sure that I went to raves to get away from the people, culture and mind set that Eminen represents, to now have that culture and mind set invade my scene. Have they also forgotten that yes, everybody is welcome to raves but not everyone is ready for raves, and to keep parties a safe and a loving place, we traditionaly didn't advertize to everybody; that inclusion of outsiders into the rave scene was cautious and selective? If Cyberfest is the future of raving, then I have to say that raving as we know it, except for a few true believers, has finally died and has, and like the Invasion Of The Body Snatchers, been taken over and absorbed in the mainstream world like punk rock was in the 80's and hip-hop was in the 90's. IM not impressed by 30,000 people coming to a "rave" or "music festival" or what ever. IM impressed by the vibe, and if the vibe doesn't generate the PLUR energy, IM not interested in going. I don't know how Eminen's presence at Cyberfest will help generate that PLUR energy at all. Remember Cool World's big party last year at the Santa Clara fairgrounds? Did they learn anything from it and saw what happens when you invite everybody to a party? By advertising to the whole world and having traditional non-rave performances and attracting a 30,000 people, we had tons of people getting robed and assaulted, I had a (girl) friend of mine almost get raped three times and the party was within centimeters of having a huge gang fight going on. You call that raving? Oh, did we forget about the 13 year old who OD'd? What was a 13 year old doing at a "rave" anyway? All of this in order to have 30,000 people at an event and to have the status of being the biggest production company in the world? IM making the assumption that this wasn't Cool World's intent? But is this not what happens when a production company becomes so successful and so big that they displace spirituality for ego and forget our roots of PLUR. IM not saying this is "bad" or Cool World is "bad," there's alot of displacing and forgetting to go around with a lot of production companies, but maybe Cool World and other production entities need to pull back, get back in touch with the spiritual and PLUR roots of our scene and realize that spirituality and PLUR is far more important, satisfying and benefitual to our scene than lots of $$$, huge crowds, and fame. No matter what of who we think we are, we are all under the law of karma, and raving is getting hit up hard by the (hysterical) media and authorities by the karma of us forgetting our roots. But my biggest concern about Eminen/D-12 at a "rave" is his overt homophobia and clowning with violence against women. Many people will shoot back at me that he is just BS'ing and to quit triping over it. But tell that to queer people who get harrassed and called hurtfull words like "fag", even getting the shit beat beat out of them by people who are influenced by Eminen and like minded groups like him. Tell that to women who get assalted and abused by men who take Eminen's and gansta rap lyrics seriously and consider these "artists" as heros to the violent macho idea of manhood and a justification of their behaviors. Did the folks at Cool World read about the guy who got beaten up by a bunch of thugs while helping to take down the pink huge triangle up on twin peaks after gay pride? I remember being told by pride officials not to wonder off to outline areas of the parade because homophobes were there with rocks, bottles and baseball bats in hand waiting to fuck up some faggots, in San Francisco of all places! Is Cool World making a statement by considering Eminen/D-12 that they are chill to the serious issue of homophobia and are down to attract this kind of element at their "rave"? Eminen attracts his fair share of homophobes and sexist men, especialy impressional young boys who are looking for role models to help them define their manhood. No, IM not accusing all Eminen fans as being homophobic and sexist, but a signifiant amount are have the potential of causing trouble and fucking with people at a party. By even considering having Eminen at Cyberfest they are coming off as diss'n gay bashing, which is still a serious problem in this country and is on a sharp rise, and not being very sensitive to queer people who are ravers. Tell me that is not true! Have they forgotten that queers were in force when the rave culture began and were and still are a major contributor to the scene? Even though it seems like raves are becomming more and more inhospitable to queer ravers by the mainstream invasion, why are they exacerbating the growing homophobia problem, especially in our scene by bring in acts like his in it? What irks me a lot is that the people who tell me to chill on Eminen and to quit tripp'n on him are usually straight (mostly male) people who have a privileged sexual orientation and usually don't have to worry about getting the shit beat out of them for being straight. They don't have to worry much about being at a party where there are a lot of thugs around and being verbally and physically assaulted by them for holding the hand of or showing public affection toward the opposite sex. No, they probably wont be affected much by the crowd that Eminen/D-12 will attract, but queers, "queer looking people" and alot of women will. Yeah, people who are disturbed by Eminen and the likes of him at a party can just avoid these area(s) and be at a place that they like, susposidly everybody be where they want to be and like what they like and everybody just get along. Simple as that, right? Well... people can avoid these areas, but cannot avoid the "waz sup dog!" crowd that will hang out at these areas, that will filter throughout the party and will still have to watch their back and fear risk being fucked with by them, especialy cand-e kids, people on drugs and anyone else who doesn't fit the macho definition of manhood. OK, Cool World said Eminen called them and claimed that he was an old skool raver and that he and D-12 wanted to come off in a different light. I can accept that, but we have to remember that Eminen was and is not a raver. If he was an old skool raver, he either didn't get affected much by PLUR back then or if he did, he has totaly forgotten what raving is all about, and if he really wants to come back into the scene, I welcome him back wih open arms. But I suggest that Eminen needs to apologize for and denounce all the all the hurtful things he has said about queers and women, and tell, especially young boys not to emulate the attitudes and behavior of his homophobic and sexist lyrics. I know Eminen has had a difficult life, and I can totaly relate to him about this, as well as alot of us can. We can choose either to heal from our hurts and wounds or to become emished in anger and bitterness over them and project them inward toward ourselves and out toward others in hurtful and destructive ways. Sometimes we do both, we try to heal, and then we get lost again in self destruction and go back and forth. But hopefully we all will eventually choose to heal once and for all instead of being angry and bitter and find stable people and environments to do so. Some of us were attracted to raves because we were looking for a place to be loved and accepted, to be ourselves and find ourselves and to heal some wounds. I hope that this is Eminen story today. Some of us have found just that in raving and raving has made many people into kind, real and compassionate people, while instead some started to rave for the wrong reasons and raving has been very destructive to them and have learned nothing positive from their raving expirence, eventually burning out, dropping out and forgetting. Maybe that was Eminen's expirence in the past. I would also suggest if Eminen want's to hook up with the rave scene again, to avoid the big conglomerate parties and find those UGs instead that still have their roots in spirituality and PLUR. Go as, I forgot his real name, not as Eminen, and just absorb the positive vibe, get in touch with his spirituality and heal from the positive energy that PLUR generates. If he does that, he will find much healing from his wounds and have a much more positive life, and who knows, maybe come out of the closet and accept his own homosexuality, that alot of people think he may be avoiding with his homophobia and homophobic lyrics. No, he won't be as popular and rich anymore, but he will be happy, and that is the greatest blessing in life anyone can have. As for Cyberfest, I may be the only a hand full of people out of thousands and thousands who may be concerned about Eminen/D-12 presence at a "rave", and will choose not to attend the event. We may only make a small un-noticable dent in the attendence, but we do care about our scene and still do remember what raving is all about. Most people who will attend Cyberfest are not ravers and will attend an event put on by Satan himself if he will provide them with entertainment that they like. Most ravers today, because of the deludedness of spirituality and PLUR are sadly very complacent and apethitic and will go to see some rock star DJ no matter how negative and detrimental the party is to the scene. Yeah, we may miss out on a phat line up if we don't go to Cyberfest, but principles are way more importaint than household names, and besides, there will always be another party to go to next week or when ever. Again, IM not hating on Cool World or encouraging anyone else to do so. IM not telling them what and how they should be as a production company or asking for a boycot of Cyberfest. Everone has a choice whether to attend or not. I will not, but go if you think you will have fun. Cool World has the right to choose to be the biggest production company in the world if they want to be and have who ever to perform at their events and draw 30,000, 40,000, a 100,000 people if they want. I choose not to be a contributor to it. But when they advertise to my scene and put Eminen/D-12 up in their line up, I have to speak up and say that this is going too far in mainstreaming the rave scene. And collectively as gay ravers, we feel insulted, disrespected and clowned because you even considered his presence and IM sure this goes for a lot of feminist raver women as well, and for a lot of open minded and tolerant people regardless of their gender or sexuality who deplore ignorance and bigotry of any kind. And because of Eminen/D-12, I, and a few others will choose not to go to Cyberfest. Alot of words in this post, but I say them with the intent to wish Peace, Love, Unity and very importaintly Respect for all! Bodhi ^ _ ^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68666-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 03:36:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37169 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 03:36:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37155 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 03:36:32 -0000 Message-ID: <010f01c10b4c$7307de00$0101a8c0@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "JuNgLE bOy" , , References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:32:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] looking for some tables Everyone say like "technics, Technics". . . but like unless people start using other tables at their events, no ones' going to be stong enough to get something else. If more clubs had like the vestax pdx2000, then a dj could use al of hte features (theres more cooler features on the vestax than most any other table) in hi/her set. But since clubs don't normally have vestax, coming up with all these groovie tricks @ home with your vestax's would be almost useless for any live playing unless you brought your own tables. I have technics. . . I'm getting vestax. if you want, I can sell you my tehnic mk2's for like $875.0 with some stanton 500 carts, the tables are pretty much perfect, covers n all. I'll sell you my mixer for 400 (maybe less though), it's a vestax pmc 270, and it's pretty much new also. let me know if you are interested?!. : ) don't get a belt drive table, try to avoid cheap feeling plasticky tables, like gem sound or some gemini nmark and stanton tables. Lots of people seem to be happy with gemini's, like the xl 500's, they're inexpensive, and lots of peple seem to like em. . . have a good one aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68667-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 03:39:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38923 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 03:39:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38913 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 03:39:31 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Buzz" To: "SF Raves" , Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:38:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] F o C u S help? =) Hey guys, I'm in a fix..... I need to get two tickets for Focus, and I thought (stupidly) they were being sold at Harmonics and realized at the last minute they werent, so does anyone have two extra tickets they want to sell to me before the party at the door or can someone help me out? I'm up in North Bay and can't really drive anywhere before tomorrow night to buy them....and I really want to make this my friends first party! Yes, I procrastinated! =) - Buzz buzz@dazedandconfused.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68668-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 03:47:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45725 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 03:47:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45713 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 03:47:22 -0000 Message-ID: <018e01c10b4d$f7470aa0$0101a8c0@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: , References: <8172629.994879398185.JavaMail.root@smtp.backend.another.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:43:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eminem.. and other dumb crap Eminem ? like that lil white rapper boy ? I don't particularly likw him from what I've hear. His words aren't too cool for lil kiddies to idolize. He like seems that he tries to be "crazy" or tough or whatever, like too hard almost. IT doesn't really solve a problem though to ignore it. Things kids think when they listen to his cd's. . . me simply personally boycotting those cd's wouldn't keep that kid from beating his girly or doing whatever because after hearing the same words over and over, it's like brainwashing, and it starts sounding better, and like "ok". it's people's choice though. hopefully the kids n whoever can liusten to it for the music and not feel too much for the words he's using. : ) aK --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68669-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 04:02:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53599 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 04:02:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53589 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 04:02:06 -0000 Message-ID: <01fc01c10b50$06535ba0$0101a8c0@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "Yasmin Fang" , Cc: References: <20010711181354.11898.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:58:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ABOUT MY POSTS iss all gooood YO !!! hehe. . . : ) don't trip, it's a big list with lotsa loud mouths glued to chairs far far away from the people they're arguing with. Good people usually. . . but most people don't say much if they can see you in front of them. I totally dig people with edgy posts. They're interesting. . . lots of fun. . . : ) be nice aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68670-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 04:09:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56998 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 04:09:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56988 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 04:09:01 -0000 Message-ID: <026d01c10b50$fe064ec0$0101a8c0@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:05:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_026A_01C10B16.51212FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr: Laptop gear n stuff ------=_NextPart_000_026A_01C10B16.51212FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable first, are ps2 prts analog ?=20 I just got me a brand new laptop, I need some sort of cell modem or = something. . .=20 do they make cellular modems that just plug into one of the = expansion slots in my laptop ? I don't think my phone has any sort of = cable connection that I could use for my reg modem. . .=20 does anyone have somethng like this ? how does it work ? thanks a ton aryck ------=_NextPart_000_026A_01C10B16.51212FC0-- From sfraves-return-68671-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 04:25:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65444 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 04:25:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65427 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 04:25:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.72.206.74] From: "Ben R." To: ascend@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:25:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 04:25:03.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[C97D2EA0:01C10B53] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? Hmmm....Field of Dreams, Chico?! LOL...i hope not tho! >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > > Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED > > AREA 51 VENUE information? > > > > Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA > > 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue > > information... > > > > Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 > > is going to take place... I will give a free ticket > > to the first person that gets the right answer! > > > > Peace and love, > > > > Greg Sandler > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68672-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 04:38:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75449 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 04:38:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75439 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 04:38:02 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:37:39 -0700 From: vix To: ".aryck." , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <026d01c10b50$fe064ec0$0101a8c0@simmee> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr: Laptop gear n stuff I just got a Linksys combination wireless AP and cable/DSL router with 4-port hub, whoopie... the plan is to use an Orinoco wireless LAN PCMCIA card so my laptops will be completely wire-free at least within a 150' radius. But to get completely free, there's the Ricochet wireless modems that I've been seeing around, haven't tried one but people I've seen with them say they're good. http://www.ricochet.com/ Kind of funny, I have Sprint broadband so my internet connection is wireless from the Fremont tower to the antenna on my roof, then there's a wire to the router, and after that it's wireless again. If only I could eliminate that 20 feet. vix > From: ".aryck." > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:05:02 -0700 > To: > Subject: [sfraves] nrr: Laptop gear n stuff > > first, are ps2 prts analog ? > > I just got me a brand new laptop, I need some sort of cell modem or something. > . . > > do they make cellular modems that just plug into one of the expansion slots in > my laptop ? I don't think my phone has any sort of cable connection that I > could use for my reg modem. . . > > does anyone have somethng like this ? how does it work ? > > thanks a ton > > aryck > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68673-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 04:47:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83016 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 04:47:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83006 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 04:47:54 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:47:38 -0700 From: vix To: vix , ".aryck." , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr: Laptop gear n stuff Oops, just checked the Ricochet site to see what the price was these days and, uh oh, their parent company went bankrupt this week. They say the service will continue. But isn't the dot.com thing just taking hits right and left this week? RIP Napster and Webvan, who's going to make it 3? vix > But to get completely free, there's the Ricochet wireless modems that I've > been seeing around, haven't tried one but people I've seen with them say > they're good. http://www.ricochet.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68674-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 05:06:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92572 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 05:06:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92562 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 05:06:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: tina pruett To: Emily Edwards , SFR Message-id: <653455.995000540158.JavaMail.MoonChyId@gomailjtp02> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! so the problem here is that nick acts like he runs the show... i've known kevin (the person who started UTV) for about 3+ years. and when nick first signed on this list and started drama in the name of utv, signing his posts with UTV, well i got a lil defensive, because his attitude and dispostition is not something that i thought kevin would want representing his crew, but they're friends and whatever... but for the record, seeing as how i knew kevin when he threw the first ALLONE (as it was on fliers) the implicit drug message was entend. i got that info straight out of him when he showed me the fliers... in fact he pointed it out... at that time a lot of promoters were doing that hidden, or not so hidden drug reference.... so lydia is not off at all... you can all argue until you are blue in the face, but i know the truth and anyone who has been on this list long enough to get to know anything about me, knows that i wouldn't just make this kinda stuff up... so anyways, just fyi... it may not be intended to be a drug reference now, but that was the initial intention, and if it were me, i'd drop the name and go with something else.... love and hugs and kisses, tina -----Original Message----- From: "Emily Edwards" To: "SFR" Date: Thu Jul 12 13:07:09 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! >Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick pisses >some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right now. THE >PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn everyone...I >know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and it >isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the safety >of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be treated >like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated with this >party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, please have a >good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated food, >clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's lost more >than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. It's >hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever aspect of >your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One last >comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't even >comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring it up >again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a stronger >attack...This is lame...let it die. > >Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is trying to >make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > >~*Emily*~ >www.core-nrg.net >Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68675-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 05:09:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96286 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 05:09:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96275 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 05:09:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Plastic Nuclear Ferret To: =?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?= cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <002601c10b2f$d842f600$100110ac@thenoid> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE it's just like how your parties are gonna be drug free. 8^) shane On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Eck=F6 wrote: > Isn't the Corvair the car said to be unsafe at any speed? > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Cheese" > To: "knowmad AE" ; > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:54 PM > Subject: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE >=20 >=20 > > Hey guys, > >=20 > > My dad is selling his 1961 4 door Corvair Monza... This would make a go= od > > project for anyone who would like to spiff-out an old car... > >=20 > > i have some pictures up @ http://bayarearavers.com if you wanted to che= ck > > them out... > >=20 > > he is asking for $1200 and the car is currently located in Cupertino... > >=20 > > email me back if your intersted... > >=20 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 -- @-------------------------------------------------------@ [..........Knowledge Through Tangentalization...........] [........Shane Knapp donut@ bayarea.net..........] [............http://www.bayarea.net/~donut .............] @-------------------------------------------------------@ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68676-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 05:13:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 935 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 05:13:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 920 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 05:13:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.175.32.49] From: "Brian - THUMP Radio" To: happee_1@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: djesmo@yahoo.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:12:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 05:12:54.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[78A44C00:01C10B5A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] re:area51??? esmo, i'm not saying you are an idiot, but you sound like a fucking idiot. the area51 shirts from 2 years ago are some of the coolest Ts i've ever seen and are precious to those that have them. wish i did frankly. i'm always trying to talk one out of dutch. he puts his heart and soul into everything he does and fuck yea i want a t-shirt from area 51. you don't? good for you. why the need to pass judgement on the rest of us who may like the idea? not room in this scene for people with different ideas and perceptions esmo? take your too cool for yourbadfuckingself attitude elsewhere. this is the rave scene. we're trying to leave that shit behind. plurr -brian >From: "craig newman" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] re:area51??? >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:20:39 -0700 > >From: "craig newman" >To: djesmo@yahoo.com >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Save Address >Subject: Re: [sfraves] ??? AREA51- atten: Greg >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:55:30 -0700 >Only Lame people will jump to a conclusion like you did. > >1) I dont get f*ucked up, and havent for over a year, >2) t-shirts of parties are not lame, like pictures, they are momentos of >great times had in the past >3) I wish that all parties had tshirts or something, because I would buy >one >at every event I went to, but alas, I know they are expensive, and know >that >my only chances are at massives. > >You should think before you start typing, it seems like you ESMO stick you >foot in you mouth way too often on this list, and frankly it is lame. Stop >jumping to conclusion, and being such an idiot > >happee_1 > > From: "E S M O" >To: "craig newman" , >Subject: Re: [sfraves] ??? AREA51- atten: Greg >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:44:43 -0700 > >jesus christ i hope there arent any t-shirts... >how lame would that be!!! >hahaha >why do u need a t-shirt to remember your time at tha party.. >if u are havin trouble remembering parties... >dont get so f*cked up..! >L8 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "craig newman" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:29 PM >Subject: [sfraves] ??? AREA51- atten: Greg > > >>Hey, I was just wondering if there was going to be any area51 >>t-shirts/sweatshirts, or something that will be abailable for purchase >at >>the party. I hope, so I will be able to remember, that I was part of >the >>crowd, at what I know will be an of the hook party? Thank, Happee_1 >>_________________________________________________________________ Get your >>FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- To >>unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional >>commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68677-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 05:16:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5048 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 05:16:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5037 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 05:16:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.117.1] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:16:18 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 05:16:18.0694 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2866260:01C10B5A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] things that make you go hmmm. If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: 57 Asians 21 Europeans 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south 8 Africans 52 would be female 48 would be male 70 would be non-white 30 would be white 70 would be non-Christian 30 would be Christian 89 would be heterosexual 11 would be homosexual 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States. 80 would live in substandard housing 70 would be unable to read 50 would suffer from malnutrition 1 would be near death; 1 would be near birth 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education 1 would own a computer When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. The following is also something to ponder... If you woke up this morning with more health than illness...you are more blessed than the million who will not survive this week. If you have never experienced the danger of battle, the loneliness of imprisonment, the agony of torture, or the pangs of starvation...you are ahead of 500 million people in the world. If you can attend a church meeting without fear of harassment, arrest, torture, or death...you are more blessed than three billion people in the world. If you have food in the refrigerator, clothes on your back, a roof overhead and a place to sleep...you are richer than 75% of this world. If you have money in the bank, in your wallet, and spare change in a dish someplace ... you are among the top 8% of the world's wealthy. If your parents are still alive and still married ...you are very rare, even in the United States and Canada. If you can read this message, you just received a double blessing in that someone was thinking of you, and furthermore, you are more blessed than over two billion people in the world that cannot read at all. Someone once said: What goes around comes around. Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Sing like nobody's listening. Dance like nobody's watching. *After reading this, I hope that you feel grateful for what you have, no matter your situation. If you are down, I hope it brings a smile on your face. If you think there is nothing wrong with the world outside you, I hope it brings you down to earth. Hopefully some of you will stop and think of how stupid and time consuming bitching and complaining really is. Live and let Live* Jose- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68678-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 05:29:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9962 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 05:29:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9952 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 05:29:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: tina pruett To: Mike Migurski , LAGISTRATE Cc: Gilez Krazimann , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <6476840.995002137267.JavaMail.MoonChyId@gomailjtp02> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! yeah that would be cute if the tshirt was in black... or a nice blue... i always liked the way that green and blue look together... but not a navy or light blue, a dark, but bright shade... love and hugs and kisses, tina -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "LAGISTRATE" Cc: "Gilez Krazimann", sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu Jul 12 17:31:48 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! >I'd hardly call it a flame, but it was pretty damn funny. :) > >can I get my shirt in black? > >>naw that was fuckin dope shit... I havnt seen as playfull well thought out >>good intentioned flame as that in... well ever. Mad props. >> >>Still Dancin for SMILES =) (not quit on mikes level yet) >>Cliff >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mike Migurski" >>To: "Gilez Krazimann" >>Cc: >>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:40 PM >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! >> >> >>> Giles, yer a punkass. ;) >>> >>> >mike sed: >>> > >>> >>the *sketchiness* five years ago was so much more fun >>> >>& funky than the big-business crapola and suburban e >>> >>monkeys sucking raves dead now. At least there was >>> >>still a sense of adventure when irresponisble >>> >>promoters put their asses on the line for a bust-bait >>> >>party. >>> >> >>> >>eyeballing the current SOMA vacancy rate with hope & >>> >>curiosity, >>> > >>> >gilez sez: >>> > >>> >http://www.cafepress.com/mr_magooski >>> > >>> > >>> >__________________________________________________ >>> >Do You Yahoo!? >>> >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >>> >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >>> > >>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org >>> tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski >>> http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68679-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 06:53:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44518 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 06:53:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44508 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 06:53:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713065306.96313.qmail@web14702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cho To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] http://www.house4homeless.org Check out this event, it's for the good and we need more parties like this. http://www.house4homeless.org Keep house music alive! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68680-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 07:23:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58525 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 07:23:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58503 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 07:23:15 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:58:55 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] WHOOO HOOOO!!!!!! Mardi Gras 2 is going to ROCK!!!!!!! Whooo HOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to see Nuw Idol rock it with his LIVE=20 performance!!! I've spent the last couple of days talking with him and WOW!!= !=20 He's done a lot!! He's even worked on house tracks with DJ Sneak & DJ Dan!!=20= I=20 this is going to be one of the best Live trance performances in he bay=20 area!!!Not to mention the 7000 Mardi Gras beads that I had shipped from New=20 Orleans!!!! 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JOHN (HOUSE NATION)=20 DEVIN (JRS, DJDEVIN.COM)=20 DAMIAN (GREENFIELD)=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68681-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 07:59:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70223 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 07:59:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70186 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 07:58:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.189.14.2] From: "JuNgLE bOy" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:58:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 07:58:27.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[992C93D0:01C10B71] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] any good internet sites?? can anyone lead me in the direction of some pages that have rave supplies on them...lights, lasers, etc. looking to waste some money :) stores in the area would be good too. i live int he central valley if that helps at all. thanks in advance. Peace and Love, Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68682-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 08:30:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76956 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 08:30:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76945 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 08:30:36 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.197.48] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:30:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 08:30:04.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[03FF6440:01C10B76] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] !!!TONIGHT!!!...<>... FRIDAY JULY 13th (bSp) OK GUYS>>>>TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT>>>>BRING UR BEST VIBES AND SMILES>>>WE WILL BE HaVING TUNES FROM THE LATEST AND UR FAVORITE TRACKS FROM TRANCE-NRG-JUNGLE-PSY TRANCE-HAPPYCORE-HARD HOUSE-and many more!!! CHECK THE INFO BELOW...VENUE INFO WILL BE POSTED IN THE INFO LINE AT (408) 514.2600. ext.6583 (call during the day of the event)TICKETS ARE STILL ON SALE AT SOLID GROOVES AND SKILLS... >>>ILL SEE U THERE. =) YAY IM SO EXCITED...hehe *^_^ <<>> dj_choco@hotmail.com "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to make your own reality." _____________________________________________________________ We are geared to extend up till 8am, with that, we have additions to our lineup..... all this and still only $15 presales, and still only $20 at the door, all this for three rooms of sound, all night long with no hastles..... Coming July 13th 2001....... Mindgames productions with a helping hand from NeuroScience Creations presents...... FOCUS MORGAN TELENE MICHAEL LIU ALIAS JUSTIN HALE BAZOOKA JOE KEITH EDWARDS LEON COOK CELSIUS BLAIR RAYGIN BROTHA REESE SYMPLEX PSYKORAL TYME PATRIK CRAZ-E ON-E TRANCEPIMP CHOCO EBER ENRINCO F. EINSTEIN ELEKTROLYTE vs. NEUROPSYNTIST JUST ADDED Dj TRONIC ClOUDSKIPPER we will be converting a prime piece of centrally located bay area real estate into a three room musical playground, with unlimited outdoor smoking space, and a handful of stimulating chill rooms. This is a never been used before, and never will be used again venue, so missing this event will leave you wondering what you missed. With NeuroScience Creations bringing all the sound in their arsenal, all three rooms will be bumpin. Together with multiple Lasers and a handful of mind blowing visuals, your senses will be stimulated. We are limiting the capacity to ensure enough space to sit, lay, and still have plenty of room to dance, even with the assortment of chairs and couches lining the walls in all three rooms. We are going all out to ensure that we use this opportunity to its fullest, and to bring you the best party we can while we are at it, and hopefully one of the best parties you will experience ever. So please come out and help us make this a night to remember, we promise we wont let you down........ this venue guaranteed not to relocate last minute, setup is already in progress.... multiple restrooms with running water and stocked toilet paper...... reasonably priced water, red bull, and candy..... plenty of free secured and patrolled parking provided.... multiple free giveaway's (CD's and tape's)....... 1,500 person capacity...... $15 pre-sales at Skills in Berkley and Solid Grooves in Santa Clara, $20 at the venue..... questions, comments or concerns 1(408)514-2600 x6583 (location information event evening only) or visit the link on our website www.nscreation.com another neuroscience creation _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68683-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 09:16:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92277 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 09:16:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92266 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 09:16:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [158.252.223.84] From: "Nick Griffin" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:16:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 09:16:13.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[76BB4840:01C10B7C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] *BSP* MARDI GRAS 2!!!! NUW IDOL!!!! TONIGHT!!!!! Tonight is the night!! Come catch the first U.S. appearance from > > /--\ /--/ /--/ /--/ /--/ \--\ > / \ / / / / / / / / \ \ > / /\ \ / / / / / / / / /--\ \ \ > / / \ \ / / / / / / / / / \ \ \ >/ / \ \/ / \ \____/ / \ \_/ /\ \_/ / >/__/ \____/ \________/ \_____/ \_____/ > > /--/ /------\ /---------\ /--/ > / / / /--\ \ / /---\ / / / > / / / / / / / / / / / / > / / / / / / / / / / / / > / / / /___/ / / \___/ / / /____ > /__/ /_________/ \_________/ /________/ > >www.wellwicked.com (creator of WELLWICKED records, first U.S. appearance) As well as.... > >GIANNI (SPUNDAY, NIKITA, DJGIANNI.COM) >THOMAS TROUBLE (BLUTONIUM RECORDS, THOMASTROUBLE.COM >DYLOOT (SKILLS) >UPHONIC (ETA, THUMP RADIO) >MAC (ROCKER, OHM, HARMONICS) >ST. JOHN (HOUSE NATION) >DEVIN (JRS, DJDEVIN.COM) >DAMIAN (GREENFIELD) Tickets still available at all your local record stores! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68684-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 10:19:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38740 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 10:19:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38730 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 10:19:56 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:28:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] My review of Wed and Thursday Well it is Friday morning at 310am, most of you are dreaming about which party you are going, except to ravers that went to anthem tonight..Just got home and wanted to tell you at anthem was really moving tonight, lot of amazing dancers, really good vibe at those parties. Met some special people that i hope to see again in the scene. ;-) Will probably be for thursdays to come. Madame Mercury tore it up tonight, but now that i think about it, everytime i see her she does that..Wed went to Construction for the first time. I like the place, music was good, didnt get the DJs name, more people needed to dance, but i understand, went for a 9 hr day at work to there, i was to tired, Tori we got to hang out some time :)..Well i am off to bed, this is going to be the first friday in about 2-3 months i havent been to a party, going to visit family and friends in sac, But i will see ya at Smile 3 in sac on Sat, SIMON APEX!! Have a good party friday!!!!!!! Be safe Laith AKA Magick @---}---}------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68685-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 11:09:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58358 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 11:09:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58346 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 11:09:07 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:09:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.24] Message-Id: <20010713110906.A530A3ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ascension...Hello 2Day OK, so opening was Macadio & Alex Van Dune! 1st off, I haven't seen Alex's wife, Thea, in sooooooo long, so it was totally Dope like catchin' up w/ her & hella talkin'! yay!! But oh man, that set was so Bad Ass! I mean, they totally played all this progressive Trance & Melodic & it was amazing!! Oh yeah, & the energy these 2 DJs put out was so Awesome!! They were all dancing behind the decks & totally rocked out! Fuckwork & Alkaline were up next & Hello 2Day, they started out spinning house which was kinda odd, but I liked it!!! The crowd was off the Hook & hella yelling!!! Wow!! Another set of DJs who totally gave out hella energy while they spun!! Then DJ D & Ice 9 hit the decks & Wow. It was soooo Dope!! Hard Trance & Hard NRG all the way & it was siiiiiiiiiick! So neato man, I swear! I Love seein' D spin 'cause I Love the way she ride the melody with her upper body & hella like flows while she mixing!!! Then seein' Ice & the was he throws his fists in the air...hella CooL man! I totally danced my ass off the whole night & man, I'm totally pooped! The VIBE @ Ascension was sooooo Strong!!! Everyone was in totally good Spirits the whole night!! I mean, there were alota drunks & some drunk middle aged black dude who was well, let's jus' say he was really verbal & suggestive about what he wanted to do to a paticular DJ & I totally wanted to smack him for sayin' that! Whatever! What totally trip me out was I saw hella people there who I knew from other parties, other clubs, Ascension, and like other bars! It was a trip!! O was totally happy when my Darlin Nic popped up!! It was kinda funny too 'cause there were hella people from Herbonium who were there & remembereed me!! LoL!! That was fun!! I totally need Ascension!! There have been a few things happening in my life & this was a Dope was to ease out from the tensions!!! I'm totally exxcited 'cause Jeno's gonna be there on the 26th I think!?!? Hmmm, but that should be waaay CooooL! Yay! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68686-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 11:25:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68046 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 11:25:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68030 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 11:25:14 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.135] From: "innocentchild" To: ".aryck." , "JuNgLE bOy" , , References: <010f01c10b4c$7307de00$0101a8c0@simmee> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:23:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 11:24:48.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CBCD220:01C10B8E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] looking for some tables Tonight at Ascension I managed to knock one of the decks off the table and send it crashing upside down to the floor. After the color returned to my face we found that nothing had happened to it. So when I hear people hyping Technics for the durability and *built like a fucking tank* end of things it's true. A crash from 3ft up to concrete left the damn thing unscathed. I've played with the other decks and they feel like toys. There's not much weight to them and I would shudder to think what would happen if these decks were subjected to that same torture as tonight. Features are fun, much like that little button that everyone loves to push on a Pioneer DJM-500/600, but when it comes down to it do you really need them? I'd be curious to see the track record for one of these other decks as far as durability goes and the punishment they can withstand. Got any info? ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: ".aryck." To: "JuNgLE bOy" ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] looking for some tables > Everyone say like "technics, Technics". . . but like unless people start > using other tables at their events, no ones' going to be stong enough to get > something else. > > If more clubs had like the vestax pdx2000, then a dj could use al of hte > features (theres more cooler features on the vestax than most any other > table) in hi/her set. But since clubs don't normally have vestax, coming up > with all these groovie tricks @ home with your vestax's would be almost > useless for any live playing unless you brought your own tables. > > I have technics. . . I'm getting vestax. > > if you want, I can sell you my tehnic mk2's for like $875.0 with some > stanton 500 carts, the tables are pretty much perfect, covers n all. I'll > sell you my mixer for 400 (maybe less though), it's a vestax pmc 270, and > it's pretty much new also. > > let me know if you are interested?!. > > : ) > > don't get a belt drive table, try to avoid cheap feeling plasticky > tables, like gem sound or some gemini nmark and stanton tables. Lots of > people seem to be happy with gemini's, like the xl 500's, they're > inexpensive, and lots of peple seem to like em. . . > > have a good one > > aryck > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68687-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 11:29:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73085 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 11:29:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73074 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 11:29:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.20.165.136] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:29:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 11:29:08.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[07DC1FE0:01C10B8F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Paging MICHAEL LIU Or anyone who has his info.. I need to speak to you asap brotha! Hope all is well! Email me at djtronic@liquidvinyldjs.com Andy Tronic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68688-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 11:34:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76472 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 11:34:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76462 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 11:34:37 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: Amber , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.24] Message-Id: <20010713113437.43B5F3ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Frente (remember them?) I remember Frente!!! There was even a video for their cover of "Love Bizare Triangle"! --- Amber > wrote: >Subduing my chain music store disgust, I went to Warehouse Music to buy >some CDs today. Aging Christmas gift certificates urged me on. I >scoured the used CD bins for a good CD and found...Frente! > >Remember the 1995ish hit acoustic cover of "Bizzare Love Triange"? >Yeah, *that* Frente. > >My Sophomore-year college roommate had the CD "Mavin the Album" and it's >every bit as good as I recall. Excellent production quality, unique >rhythms and melodies and I just love her voice (similar to the Cardigans >lead singer.) > >I saw Frente live at that goofy club in Palo Alto ("The Edge" is it?) in >about 1996. They were great! Live the one-hit-wonder once again. Dig >in your local used bin for Frente's "Marvin the Album". > >You know it! >>:)Amber >-- >Amber .|. http://www.iamthedj.com .|. You hate Amber. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68689-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 11:42:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81285 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 11:42:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81275 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 11:42:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.135] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:41:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C10B56.14713120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 11:42:14.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCB1A3B0:01C10B90] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ascension SOLD OUT!!! + CLOSED NEXT WEEK ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C10B56.14713120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I normally don't post about events that I'm tied to when it comes to = reviews, but tonight was special. We SOLD THE PLACE OUT!! 260 people = came by tonight to dance and enjoy the music. I want to thank all of you = who came out tonight from SFR! I saw so many faces from the list and met = a new one. Heya Jamie! The night started off with Alex Van Dune vs = Macadio playing a mix of progressive trance and nrg. Wasn't what I = expected from the two of them, but still a great set none the less. = Fuckwork got on the decks and Alkaline jumped in for a spur of the = moment 2x4 session. I can't remember the last time I heard Heaven Scent = played and it made me giggle. Damn those guilty pleasure tracks! Ira = (Ice-9) was outside all nervous about his first 2x4 with Denise. First = time playing to a sold out crowd as well! The two of them had such a = great time on stage and both were genuinely excited. I heard some pretty = cool tracks on the NRG side of things. Not really into it anymore beause = it got rather stale. All I know is I want a copy of that DAT!=20 Next week we will be closed and taking a break. Might even go check out = some of the other events on Thursdays to see what else is happening out = there. Come back and visit us the following week 7:26:01 for a special = night of house music with JENO (wicked SF) playing a 3hr set. Tirrell = and Alkaline will open the night with some deep house. Be sure to get = there early because that night is going to sell out quickly. It's a rare = moment to see Jeno playing in the eastbay and rarer in an 18+ = environment. Tell all your househead friends out there because this is a = night not to be missed. **Once again we will be CLOSED next week so tell your friends to come = the following week of the 26th.** a very tired ryan ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C10B56.14713120-- From sfraves-return-68690-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 12:33:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9955 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 12:33:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9944 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 12:33:57 -0000 From: ALifeLessOrdnary@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:33:54 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b9.108f5de9.288044b2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The best hard trance songs. . . --part1_b9.108f5de9.288044b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay everyone, I'm looking for some really good, hard hitting hard trance songs. All the trance I seem to be getting lately sounds the same, or is what i call . . . faggy trance! Im looking for songs like Mauro Picotto - Pulsar, Storm - Time To Burn, 666 - Amok, etc, Nostrum - Curva Peligrosa, etc. You get the picture. Please save me from this faggy trance that I can't get away from!!! Please email me privately if you have any suggestions for some songs that I can look out for. I have AOL, so I get about 1% of the SFRaves Emails. Thanks!! --part1_b9.108f5de9.288044b2_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68691-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 14:16:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3406 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 14:16:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3391 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 14:16:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:16:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: innocentchild cc: Emily Edwards , SFR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! word to ryan! this is absolutely true. Nick has been promoting UVT as *his* parties for as long as I've known him to be on the list - for him to say that this is not his party is ridiculous, and another pure example of his conflicting truths. To say you're UVT for all this time, and someone comes to you with a difficult issue about your party policies, and you back down and say "this isn't me" is bullshit. Either pull your name from this party if you don't want anything to do with it (and all your involvement) and it's truly not yours, or own up to it and take the heat for making a stupid decision. Vlad and many other promoters have the balls to stand up to their parties and take responsibility of answering public opinion, but Nick just throws the blame on somebody else, which is SO much easier than being logical, right? Very typical behavior from him. Once again, I feel sick. Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, innocentchild wrote: > Given that Nick always represents himself as part of UVT and Core:NRG he's > responsible for the image that he portrays of himself and those groups. > Here's a parallel for you... If you work at something like a Blockbuster > Video that has a uniform you're representing the company and it's image. > Should you go out to get some food and talk trash at the place people see > you as someone from Blockbuster and the image of that store is changed in > those people's minds. Same thing goes here with SFR. When you add these > affiliations to your signiture file people associate you with a certain > group of people and the image of that group. I see Nick I think UVT. I see > Jeremey Bispo I think ASR. I see Shane I think Epiphany and so on. If a > member of your group posts info to a major list like this and has the groups > name associated with that individual people on the list will see that member > as a represntitive. That's what's happening with Nick right now. He posted > the info for the UVT party while previously associating himself as a big > part of UVT. To say that he has nothing to do with this and don't yell at me > is sad. Joining a group to throw parties for whatever reason means you're > committing to that group and act as a representitive of that group > regardless of your level of involvement. If Nick is a part of UVT like he's > always said then he should stand up for what his group means to him and not > shy away from the email that's being sent right now. If this kevikev420 guy > is the one in charge or has the info on this all, then Nick should be a > proxy to SFR unless that individual is on the list. SFR sees Nick as UVT. > He's the voice of UVT on SFR. He didn't make the rules for this party nor is > he heading up this party, but he needs to relay the information from the > person who *is* so that all this missinformation can be alleviated. To > continue that Blockbuster analogy Nick can always take the annoyed customer > and hand them off to the manager and say *not my problem* which is what > seems to have occured. Hooray for retail parties! > > ryan.bailey > sninesix.design > www.viberation.com/ryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emily Edwards" > To: "SFR" > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick pisses > > some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right now. > THE > > PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn > everyone...I > > know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and it > > isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the > safety > > of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be treated > > like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated with > this > > party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, please have > a > > good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated food, > > clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's lost > more > > than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. It's > > hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever aspect of > > your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One last > > comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't even > > comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring it up > > again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a > stronger > > attack...This is lame...let it die. > > > > Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is trying > to > > make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > > > > ~*Emily*~ > > www.core-nrg.net > > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68692-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 14:23:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9987 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 14:23:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9930 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 14:23:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:23:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: innocentchild cc: Emily Edwards , SFR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! And an addition to this: Nick if you haven't been the key part of UVT for awhile, why is this just NOW coming up on this list? Why wasn't it brought up before you started taking heat for this issue? I don't know about you, but if I was the key person of a promoting group and stepped down after a long time, I would have announced it just to clarify. If you don't like the actions of UVT you should not be obliged to be a part of them anymore. Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Lara wrote: > word to ryan! this is absolutely true. > Nick has been promoting UVT as *his* parties for as long as I've known him > to be on the list - for him to say that this is not his party is > ridiculous, and another pure example of his conflicting truths. To say > you're UVT for all this time, and someone comes to you with a difficult > issue about your party policies, and you back down and say "this isn't > me" is bullshit. Either pull your name from this party if you don't want > anything to do with it (and all your involvement) and it's truly not > yours, or own up to it and take the heat for making a stupid decision. > Vlad and many other promoters have the balls to stand up to their > parties and take responsibility of answering public opinion, but Nick just > throws the blame on somebody else, which is SO much easier than > being logical, right? Very typical behavior from him. Once > again, I feel sick. > Lara > > ---- > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > two." > -- Erich Fromm > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > -- Oscar Wilde > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, innocentchild wrote: > > > Given that Nick always represents himself as part of UVT and Core:NRG he's > > responsible for the image that he portrays of himself and those groups. > > Here's a parallel for you... If you work at something like a Blockbuster > > Video that has a uniform you're representing the company and it's image. > > Should you go out to get some food and talk trash at the place people see > > you as someone from Blockbuster and the image of that store is changed in > > those people's minds. Same thing goes here with SFR. When you add these > > affiliations to your signiture file people associate you with a certain > > group of people and the image of that group. I see Nick I think UVT. I see > > Jeremey Bispo I think ASR. I see Shane I think Epiphany and so on. If a > > member of your group posts info to a major list like this and has the groups > > name associated with that individual people on the list will see that member > > as a represntitive. That's what's happening with Nick right now. He posted > > the info for the UVT party while previously associating himself as a big > > part of UVT. To say that he has nothing to do with this and don't yell at me > > is sad. Joining a group to throw parties for whatever reason means you're > > committing to that group and act as a representitive of that group > > regardless of your level of involvement. If Nick is a part of UVT like he's > > always said then he should stand up for what his group means to him and not > > shy away from the email that's being sent right now. If this kevikev420 guy > > is the one in charge or has the info on this all, then Nick should be a > > proxy to SFR unless that individual is on the list. SFR sees Nick as UVT. > > He's the voice of UVT on SFR. He didn't make the rules for this party nor is > > he heading up this party, but he needs to relay the information from the > > person who *is* so that all this missinformation can be alleviated. To > > continue that Blockbuster analogy Nick can always take the annoyed customer > > and hand them off to the manager and say *not my problem* which is what > > seems to have occured. Hooray for retail parties! > > > > ryan.bailey > > sninesix.design > > www.viberation.com/ryan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Emily Edwards" > > To: "SFR" > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again > > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > > > > Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick pisses > > > some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right now. > > THE > > > PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn > > everyone...I > > > know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and it > > > isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the > > safety > > > of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be treated > > > like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated with > > this > > > party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, please have > > a > > > good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated food, > > > clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's lost > > more > > > than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. It's > > > hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever aspect of > > > your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One last > > > comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't even > > > comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring it up > > > again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a > > stronger > > > attack...This is lame...let it die. > > > > > > Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is trying > > to > > > make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > > > > > > ~*Emily*~ > > > www.core-nrg.net > > > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68693-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 15:01:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54938 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 15:01:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54908 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 15:01:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Fri) "Plaese porrf raed." -- Prof. Michael O'Longhlin, S.U.N.Y. Purchase --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68694-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 15:23:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78219 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 15:23:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78208 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 15:23:06 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:23:37 -0600 From: wishfm To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16.f359549.287fc34f@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3077861018_193858_MIME_Part" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eminen @ A "Rave"? My thoughts and concerns (yes as usual, very long!) --MS_Mac_OE_3077861018_193858_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit HOLY SHIT... where did you find all of these words? Where does your theory put me? I'm the son of a lesbian activist... my closest friends and mentors on the Dj scene are, for the most part, gay. 'Huge fan of Eminem and D12. While I do not believe in violence either, I think your fear of it borders on wreckless paranoia. How many people just like me are there in this world? In San Francisco? Have you actually listened to the lyrics of D12? 'Quite different, in essence, than Ems solo work... For the same reasons I believe our Government is prejudice against homosexuals, I also believe they are equally oppressive of the underground artists who fight for first ammendment rights... freedom of speech, etc. Were you there for the first few years of the rave scene? Before the masses of kids who brought the PLUR theory into play (way late in 1993) this scene was run by gangstas, thugs and con men, whose 'Chaos Theory' is truly the roots of this scene. You can talk all the smack you want about PLUR roots, but if you want to talk about how this all got so watered down, why don't you do some real research, instead of pleaing your bubblegum mantra on how this all got started. And, for the record... I do enjoy the peaceful bvibe the kids brought to this party only 6-7 years ago. It is nice to be around, but, although pleasant and more marketable, it is also part of the degeneration of the original form, as well. I also don't want people to think that I've got some fantasy of how Eminem will save the rave scene... because he won't, for the same reasons Oakenfold, Tong and the rest of the institutionalized trance scene won't either. They too, have lost the plot and will support any movement that creates dollars... not chaos. Boring. Your casual manipulation of the facts is honorable, but dangerously innacurate. wishfm From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:21:51 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Eminen @ A "Rave"? My thoughts and concerns (yes as usual, very long!) Sorry that Im a little late on the Eminen and Cool World controversy. I got word of his possible performance at Cyberfest on this list last week, simply because IM not much into big supa-dupa conglomerate parties and automaticly pass up flyers for them when I see them. I don't think they, except in a rare few occations, represent the true rave scene. But that's my little 'ole opinion, and it's OK for others to disagree with me. Anyway, IM not writing this post to trash Cool World or to delibertly say anything bad about them. They are who they are and are going to do what they are going to do no matter what my opinion is of them one way or the other. But my concern got jolted when I heard that Eminen and his group D-12 was going to perform at Cyberfest. Why am I concerned about that when I just said that I don't care about Cool World one way or the other? First, if this was a typical rock concert or some so called gansta rap performance I would have passed that off, along with the attitudes and behavior they express and encourage as being part of their scene. What ever! But Cool World is putting on a huge show and is deliberately advertising this show to the rave culture and calling it a rave, even though to the mainstream world it distances it self from the word "rave" and instead call's it a "music festival." They are advertising to me, a raver (by flyers in record stores and on SFRaves), and trying to convince me and other ravers that this huge show is a rave and is encouraging us to go to their "rave" and then tells us that Eminen/D-12 is performing at this "rave". Now they are mixing it up in my scene and IM rightfully concerned and is compelled to speak up, even if I get hella flamed for it. Secondly, what does Eminen and D-12 have to do with the rave culture? Are they not an antisepsis of each other? I can understand the concept of adding new and fresh ideas and acts to the rave culture, but has Cool World forgotten that there are somethings and some people who do not belong in the rave scene at all and will only pull the scene down and delute it's spirituality the belief in PLUR which supost to be the roots of raving? Even if Cool World did decide to not book Eminen and his group D-12 at Cyberfest, why would they even consider such an idea in the first place? Cool World boast that they are pioneers in the rave culture, if that is really so, then have they, in their growing success and popularity over the years forgotten what raving is really all about? I agree the rave culture can't always be stuck in the "old skool" and need's to evolve in a new era, but spirituality and PLUR is transcendent of place, definitions and time and will always be the foundation of a true rave scene whether it's defined as "old skool" or "new skool". I don't consider myself an expert and as knowledgeable as others on raving, but I have been in the scene for 8-10 years and know this for sure that I went to raves to get away from the people, culture and mind set that Eminen represents, to now have that culture and mind set invade my scene. Have they also forgotten that yes, everybody is welcome to raves but not everyone is ready for raves, and to keep parties a safe and a loving place, we traditionaly didn't advertize to everybody; that inclusion of outsiders into the rave scene was cautious and selective? If Cyberfest is the future of raving, then I have to say that raving as we know it, except for a few true believers, has finally died and has, and like the Invasion Of The Body Snatchers, been taken over and absorbed in the mainstream world like punk rock was in the 80's and hip-hop was in the 90's. IM not impressed by 30,000 people coming to a "rave" or "music festival" or what ever. IM impressed by the vibe, and if the vibe doesn't generate the PLUR energy, IM not interested in going. I don't know how Eminen's presence at Cyberfest will help generate that PLUR energy at all. Remember Cool World's big party last year at the Santa Clara fairgrounds? Did they learn anything from it and saw what happens when you invite everybody to a party? By advertising to the whole world and having traditional non-rave performances and attracting a 30,000 people, we had tons of people getting robed and assaulted, I had a (girl) friend of mine almost get raped three times and the party was within centimeters of having a huge gang fight going on. You call that raving? Oh, did we forget about the 13 year old who OD'd? What was a 13 year old doing at a "rave" anyway? All of this in order to have 30,000 people at an event and to have the status of being the biggest production company in the world? IM making the assumption that this wasn't Cool World's intent? But is this not what happens when a production company becomes so successful and so big that they displace spirituality for ego and forget our roots of PLUR. IM not saying this is "bad" or Cool World is "bad," there's alot of displacing and forgetting to go around with a lot of production companies, but maybe Cool World and other production entities need to pull back, get back in touch with the spiritual and PLUR roots of our scene and realize that spirituality and PLUR is far more important, satisfying and benefitual to our scene than lots of $$$, huge crowds, and fame. No matter what of who we think we are, we are all under the law of karma, and raving is getting hit up hard by the (hysterical) media and authorities by the karma of us forgetting our roots. But my biggest concern about Eminen/D-12 at a "rave" is his overt homophobia and clowning with violence against women. Many people will shoot back at me that he is just BS'ing and to quit triping over it. But tell that to queer people who get harrassed and called hurtfull words like "fag", even getting the shit beat beat out of them by people who are influenced by Eminen and like minded groups like him. Tell that to women who get assalted and abused by men who take Eminen's and gansta rap lyrics seriously and consider these "artists" as heros to the violent macho idea of manhood and a justification of their behaviors. Did the folks at Cool World read about the guy who got beaten up by a bunch of thugs while helping to take down the pink huge triangle up on twin peaks after gay pride? I remember being told by pride officials not to wonder off to outline areas of the parade because homophobes were there with rocks, bottles and baseball bats in hand waiting to fuck up some faggots, in San Francisco of all places! Is Cool World making a statement by considering Eminen/D-12 that they are chill to the serious issue of homophobia and are down to attract this kind of element at their "rave"? Eminen attracts his fair share of homophobes and sexist men, especialy impressional young boys who are looking for role models to help them define their manhood. No, IM not accusing all Eminen fans as being homophobic and sexist, but a signifiant amount are have the potential of causing trouble and fucking with people at a party. By even considering having Eminen at Cyberfest they are coming off as diss'n gay bashing, which is still a serious problem in this country and is on a sharp rise, and not being very sensitive to queer people who are ravers. Tell me that is not true! Have they forgotten that queers were in force when the rave culture began and were and still are a major contributor to the scene? Even though it seems like raves are becomming more and more inhospitable to queer ravers by the mainstream invasion, why are they exacerbating the growing homophobia problem, especially in our scene by bring in acts like his in it? What irks me a lot is that the people who tell me to chill on Eminen and to quit tripp'n on him are usually straight (mostly male) people who have a privileged sexual orientation and usually don't have to worry about getting the shit beat out of them for being straight. They don't have to worry much about being at a party where there are a lot of thugs around and being verbally and physically assaulted by them for holding the hand of or showing public affection toward the opposite sex. No, they probably wont be affected much by the crowd that Eminen/D-12 will attract, but queers, "queer looking people" and alot of women will. Yeah, people who are disturbed by Eminen and the likes of him at a party can just avoid these area(s) and be at a place that they like, susposidly everybody be where they want to be and like what they like and everybody just get along. Simple as that, right? Well... people can avoid these areas, but cannot avoid the "waz sup dog!" crowd that will hang out at these areas, that will filter throughout the party and will still have to watch their back and fear risk being fucked with by them, especialy cand-e kids, people on drugs and anyone else who doesn't fit the macho definition of manhood. OK, Cool World said Eminen called them and claimed that he was an old skool raver and that he and D-12 wanted to come off in a different light. I can accept that, but we have to remember that Eminen was and is not a raver. If he was an old skool raver, he either didn't get affected much by PLUR back then or if he did, he has totaly forgotten what raving is all about, and if he really wants to come back into the scene, I welcome him back wih open arms. But I suggest that Eminen needs to apologize for and denounce all the all the hurtful things he has said about queers and women, and tell, especially young boys not to emulate the attitudes and behavior of his homophobic and sexist lyrics. I know Eminen has had a difficult life, and I can totaly relate to him about this, as well as alot of us can. We can choose either to heal from our hurts and wounds or to become emished in anger and bitterness over them and project them inward toward ourselves and out toward others in hurtful and destructive ways. Sometimes we do both, we try to heal, and then we get lost again in self destruction and go back and forth. But hopefully we all will eventually choose to heal once and for all instead of being angry and bitter and find stable people and environments to do so. Some of us were attracted to raves because we were looking for a place to be loved and accepted, to be ourselves and find ourselves and to heal some wounds. I hope that this is Eminen story today. Some of us have found just that in raving and raving has made many people into kind, real and compassionate people, while instead some started to rave for the wrong reasons and raving has been very destructive to them and have learned nothing positive from their raving expirence, eventually burning out, dropping out and forgetting. Maybe that was Eminen's expirence in the past. I would also suggest if Eminen want's to hook up with the rave scene again, to avoid the big conglomerate parties and find those UGs instead that still have their roots in spirituality and PLUR. Go as, I forgot his real name, not as Eminen, and just absorb the positive vibe, get in touch with his spirituality and heal from the positive energy that PLUR generates. If he does that, he will find much healing from his wounds and have a much more positive life, and who knows, maybe come out of the closet and accept his own homosexuality, that alot of people think he may be avoiding with his homophobia and homophobic lyrics. No, he won't be as popular and rich anymore, but he will be happy, and that is the greatest blessing in life anyone can have. As for Cyberfest, I may be the only a hand full of people out of thousands and thousands who may be concerned about Eminen/D-12 presence at a "rave", and will choose not to attend the event. We may only make a small un-noticable dent in the attendence, but we do care about our scene and still do remember what raving is all about. Most people who will attend Cyberfest are not ravers and will attend an event put on by Satan himself if he will provide them with entertainment that they like. Most ravers today, because of the deludedness of spirituality and PLUR are sadly very complacent and apethitic and will go to see some rock star DJ no matter how negative and detrimental the party is to the scene. Yeah, we may miss out on a phat line up if we don't go to Cyberfest, but principles are way more importaint than household names, and besides, there will always be another party to go to next week or when ever. Again, IM not hating on Cool World or encouraging anyone else to do so. IM not telling them what and how they should be as a production company or asking for a boycot of Cyberfest. Everone has a choice whether to attend or not. I will not, but go if you think you will have fun. Cool World has the right to choose to be the biggest production company in the world if they want to be and have who ever to perform at their events and draw 30,000, 40,000, a 100,000 people if they want. I choose not to be a contributor to it. But when they advertise to my scene and put Eminen/D-12 up in their line up, I have to speak up and say that this is going too far in mainstreaming the rave scene. And collectively as gay ravers, we feel insulted, disrespected and clowned because you even considered his presence and IM sure this goes for a lot of feminist raver women as well, and for a lot of open minded and tolerant people regardless of their gender or sexuality who deplore ignorance and bigotry of any kind. And because of Eminen/D-12, I, and a few others will choose not to go to Cyberfest. Alot of words in this post, but I say them with the intent to wish Peace, Love, Unity and very importaintly Respect for all! Bodhi ^ _ ^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --MS_Mac_OE_3077861018_193858_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-68695-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 15:26:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81777 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 15:26:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81763 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 15:26:42 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.118.158] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:26:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 15:26:14.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[279636B0:01C10BB0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Major Rotation @ Wave's tonight. OK, so tonight we are having about 10+ dj's on rotation all night long!!! There's even gonna be a few 2x4 sets in there. It's gonna be a spur of the moment type of thing w/the dj's so be prepared for a lot of fun surprises. Oh, one more thing....it's gonna be FREE!! Come out and party w/us and have a few drinks or don't drink. We just want you guys to have a great time. The aim of our party is to have an awesome, stress free night for you and ourselves. The dj's to keep an eye out for are CHRIS & CHRIS (Joint Sessions, SF). These tag-teaming females rock it and are on a major come-up. Location: 65 Post St. downtown SJ. -two rooms -kick ass bar -good people I'm very excited. Hope to see you guys there. D.F.Doc- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68696-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 15:36:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91605 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 15:36:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91590 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 15:36:00 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.175.32.81] From: "Brian - THUMP Radio" To: ALifeLessOrdnary@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:35:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 15:35:32.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[73EEC7B0:01C10BB1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The best hard trance songs. . . sounds like it's time you moved to psyrance! ;) >From: ALifeLessOrdnary@aol.com >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] The best hard trance songs. . . >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:33:54 EDT > >Okay everyone, I'm looking for some really good, hard hitting hard trance >songs. All the trance I seem to be getting lately sounds the same, or is >what i call . . . faggy trance! Im looking for songs like Mauro Picotto - >Pulsar, Storm - Time To Burn, 666 - Amok, etc, Nostrum - Curva Peligrosa, >etc. You get the picture. Please save me from this faggy trance that I >can't get away from!!! Please email me privately if you have any >suggestions for some songs that I can look out for. I have AOL, so I get >about 1% of the SFRaves Emails. Thanks!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68697-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 15:56:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12753 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 15:56:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12742 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 15:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713155635.95958.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:56:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tera Ball To: osby@ratkoonrat.net, Amber , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010713113437.43B5F3ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-246417636-995039795=:94606" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Frente (remember them?) --0-246417636-995039795=:94606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Frente was dope! I totally remember! That brings me back to my Freshmen year! Whoa! Osby wrote: I remember Frente!!! There was even a video for their cover of "Love Bizare Triangle"! --- Amber > wrote: >Subduing my chain music store disgust, I went to Warehouse Music to buy >some CDs today. Aging Christmas gift certificates urged me on. I >scoured the used CD bins for a good CD and found...Frente! > >Remember the 1995ish hit acoustic cover of "Bizzare Love Triange"? >Yeah, *that* Frente. > >My Sophomore-year college roommate had the CD "Mavin the Album" and it's >every bit as good as I recall. Excellent production quality, unique >rhythms and melodies and I just love her voice (similar to the Cardigans >lead singer.) > >I saw Frente live at that goofy club in Palo Alto ("The Edge" is it?) in >about 1996. They were great! Live the one-hit-wonder once again. Dig >in your local used bin for Frente's "Marvin the Album". > >You know it! >>:)Amber >-- >Amber .|. http://www.iamthedj.com .|. You hate Amber. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-246417636-995039795=:94606-- From sfraves-return-68698-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 15:59:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16855 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 15:59:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16835 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 15:59:41 -0000 Message-ID: <004e01c10bb5$43ca6bd0$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Lara" , "innocentchild" Cc: "Emily Edwards" , "SFR" References: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:02:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! I announced a long time ago I was not throwing parties under UVT any more..I would say about a month after Infinity.. So please don't blame me for you need reading my post regarding this matter..I also announced when core:BITZ and myself started core:NRG. So I have given plenty of notice to everyone.. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lara" To: "innocentchild" Cc: "Emily Edwards" ; "SFR" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > And an addition to this: > Nick if you haven't been the key part of UVT for awhile, why is this just > NOW coming up on this list? Why wasn't it brought up before you started > taking heat for this issue? I don't know about you, but if I was the key > person of a promoting group and stepped down after a long time, I would > have announced it just to clarify. If you don't like the actions of UVT > you should not be obliged to be a part of them anymore. > Lara > > ---- > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > two." > -- Erich Fromm > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > -- Oscar Wilde > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Lara wrote: > > > word to ryan! this is absolutely true. > > Nick has been promoting UVT as *his* parties for as long as I've known him > > to be on the list - for him to say that this is not his party is > > ridiculous, and another pure example of his conflicting truths. To say > > you're UVT for all this time, and someone comes to you with a difficult > > issue about your party policies, and you back down and say "this isn't > > me" is bullshit. Either pull your name from this party if you don't want > > anything to do with it (and all your involvement) and it's truly not > > yours, or own up to it and take the heat for making a stupid decision. > > Vlad and many other promoters have the balls to stand up to their > > parties and take responsibility of answering public opinion, but Nick just > > throws the blame on somebody else, which is SO much easier than > > being logical, right? Very typical behavior from him. Once > > again, I feel sick. > > Lara > > > > ---- > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > two." > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, innocentchild wrote: > > > > > Given that Nick always represents himself as part of UVT and Core:NRG he's > > > responsible for the image that he portrays of himself and those groups. > > > Here's a parallel for you... If you work at something like a Blockbuster > > > Video that has a uniform you're representing the company and it's image. > > > Should you go out to get some food and talk trash at the place people see > > > you as someone from Blockbuster and the image of that store is changed in > > > those people's minds. Same thing goes here with SFR. When you add these > > > affiliations to your signiture file people associate you with a certain > > > group of people and the image of that group. I see Nick I think UVT. I see > > > Jeremey Bispo I think ASR. I see Shane I think Epiphany and so on. If a > > > member of your group posts info to a major list like this and has the groups > > > name associated with that individual people on the list will see that member > > > as a represntitive. That's what's happening with Nick right now. He posted > > > the info for the UVT party while previously associating himself as a big > > > part of UVT. To say that he has nothing to do with this and don't yell at me > > > is sad. Joining a group to throw parties for whatever reason means you're > > > committing to that group and act as a representitive of that group > > > regardless of your level of involvement. If Nick is a part of UVT like he's > > > always said then he should stand up for what his group means to him and not > > > shy away from the email that's being sent right now. If this kevikev420 guy > > > is the one in charge or has the info on this all, then Nick should be a > > > proxy to SFR unless that individual is on the list. SFR sees Nick as UVT. > > > He's the voice of UVT on SFR. He didn't make the rules for this party nor is > > > he heading up this party, but he needs to relay the information from the > > > person who *is* so that all this missinformation can be alleviated. To > > > continue that Blockbuster analogy Nick can always take the annoyed customer > > > and hand them off to the manager and say *not my problem* which is what > > > seems to have occured. Hooray for retail parties! > > > > > > ryan.bailey > > > sninesix.design > > > www.viberation.com/ryan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Emily Edwards" > > > To: "SFR" > > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again > > > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > > > > > > > Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick pisses > > > > some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right now. > > > THE > > > > PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn > > > everyone...I > > > > know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and it > > > > isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the > > > safety > > > > of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be treated > > > > like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated with > > > this > > > > party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, please have > > > a > > > > good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated food, > > > > clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's lost > > > more > > > > than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. It's > > > > hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever aspect of > > > > your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One last > > > > comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't even > > > > comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring it up > > > > again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a > > > stronger > > > > attack...This is lame...let it die. > > > > > > > > Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is trying > > > to > > > > make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > > > > > > > > ~*Emily*~ > > > > www.core-nrg.net > > > > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68699-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 16:01:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18645 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 16:01:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18630 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 16:01:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.111.184.2] From: "Justin Hale" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:00:42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 16:00:43.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8414350:01C10BB4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Secret Society Mondays! 7/16 & 7/23 (bsp) A Reunion of People, A Revival of Culture Every Monday Night Secret Society This Monday! --> July 16, 2001 --> Chapter XXVI Marking the completion of 6 months and going strong! Our 1st Hip-Hop and Dancehall Shindig with Scratchmasters: POLAR BEAR (SJ) SYMPLEX (Solid Grooves) w/rotating SS residents: MICHAEL LIU JUSTIN HALE ANDYW Visual enhlightenment: Terry @ Viberation Additional sound treatment: Brad @ 305 Sound Beginning at 9pm every Monday night Adults 21 & Over Please. FREE - NO COVER! Located at 3546 Flora Vista Ave in Santa Clara Society voicemail - 408.278.5211 SS prides itself on bringing quality music and talented djs week after week... come by this week, have a drink and watch the turntable action... both these boys can lay down tracks like nobody's business, and we have the perfect forum at SS to show off their skills. Our members are open minded music lovers from all walks of life, come by and pledge your membership to the Society... esct. Look to the Light ----> A Reunion of People, A Revival of Culture Every Monday Night Secret Society Monday --> July 23, 2001 ---> Chapter XXVII Mark your calendars for Justin Hale's 28th Birthday Bash!!! with very special guest: MARKIE (Wicked) tag-team opening set MARK SILVA vs. JUSTIN HALE resident support MICHAEL LIU ANDYW Visual enhlightenment: Terry @ Viberation Additional sound treatment: Brad @ 305 Sound Beginning at 9pm every Monday night Adults 21 & Over Please. FREE - NO COVER! Located at 3546 Flora Vista Ave in Santa Clara Society voicemail - 408.278.5211 Special Thanks to the crew(s) that help us each and every week. And thanks to the DJs that have donated their time to our members and our little society over the last 6 months.. PAUL LEATH BRYAN LEE RICK PRESTON CRISCO INTRIGUE CHRIS JACKSON VLAD EBE JESSE GONZALEZ MACADIO VALERIE SPARKS DUTCH PETE NICE ANDYW MATT JENKINS FOREST GREEN LI ANDRE LUCERO NIKOLA CHRIS LEATH DJ IAN DICE BLD JONAS ROBLEDO GRANT SPUN BRIAN B ARTURO GARCES ALONZO CHRIS HAYCOCK DJ TRONIC JAZ RYAN BAZELEY JENO DOB AEON MARK JOHNS SCIENCE SIPHON HIDRO-PONIK DYNO STEVIAN PATRICK OWEN DAMON DEREK SCOTT J-BOT POLAR BEAR SYMPLEX MARKIE MARK SILVA here's to another 6 months! Special Thanks to my partner in crime, MICHAEL LIU.. Secret Society would be nothing without your inspiration and support. Thank You Brutha. --Justin Hale --Secret Society _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68700-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 16:21:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40755 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 16:21:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40728 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 16:21:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713162111.95720.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: MODA , sfraves Cc: sacraves , fresnoraves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1722941711-995041271=:91015" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] F U T U R E Schedule for July/August (bsp) --0-1722941711-995041271=:91015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there gonna be a FUCHNO t-shirt give away? hehe...J MODA wrote: Here's what we have going on at Future for the next few weeks....... Friday, July 13th F U C H N O F R I D A Y featuring 5 hour dj set from MODA ------------------------ Friday, July 20th Renaissance UK Recording Artist S P E S H G I L + M O D A ----------------------- Friday, July 27th G I R L P O W E R ! featuring.... K E N D R A F R E N C H D E N I S E aka D J D M E L A N I E D J E L Z ----------------- Friday, August 3rd G I A N N I M O R G A N ----------------- Friday, August 10th T H O M A S T R O U B L E U P H O N I C Coming Soon........ D O R A N (Crush Recordings, Los Angeles) P H I L S M A R T (Reachin¹ Records, Australia) oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I N T H E F U L L - B A R L O U N G E . . . . ::::::::: T H E I N D U S T R Y L O U N G E :::::::::: featuring... J O E L A N Z O N J A V I E R + special guest.... =================================== F U T U R E 375 First Street & Harrison in SF 18 & Over with valid ID Full-Bar Lounge for 21 and up! 9 pm - 2 am $10 before 10 pm $15 after 10 pm For more info, please call 415.281.0866 or http://www.globalparty.com We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1722941711-995041271=:91015-- From sfraves-return-68701-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 16:34:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55382 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 16:34:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55371 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 16:34:28 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:34:23 -0700 From: vix To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The best hard trance songs. . . For trance that will smack you upside the head with a two by four, you need Sun Project =) Going to Area 51? BTW, umm, I don't like to get all PC on your ass, buuuut... what's wrong with calling it "fu fu trance"?? vix >> Okay everyone, I'm looking for some really good, hard hitting hard trance >> songs. All the trance I seem to be getting lately sounds the same, or is >> what i call . . . faggy trance! Im looking for songs like Mauro Picotto - >> Pulsar, Storm - Time To Burn, 666 - Amok, etc, Nostrum - Curva Peligrosa, >> etc. You get the picture. Please save me from this faggy trance that I >> can't get away from!!! Please email me privately if you have any >> suggestions for some songs that I can look out for. I have AOL, so I get >> about 1% of the SFRaves Emails. Thanks!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68702-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 16:49:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75143 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 16:49:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75131 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 16:49:55 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: <66.11813ae5.288080aa@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:49:46 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MARDI GRAS 2 TONIGHT w/ NU IDOL Oh yeah and all nightr all agesa w/ an outdoor smoking area and one room of vibe!! See you all there and grab a presale as last year Mardi Gras sold out. 415-289-2111 510-594-4330 Yarrow --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68703-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 16:50:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76155 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 16:50:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76140 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 16:50:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713165010.15348.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:50:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: "Eckö" , Lara , innocentchild Cc: Emily Edwards , SFR In-Reply-To: <004e01c10bb5$43ca6bd0$100110ac@thenoid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! I thought you said you were done posting on this thread Nick!? > I announced a long time ago I was not throwing > parties under UVT any more..I > would say about a month after Infinity.. So please > don't blame me for you > need reading my post regarding this matter..I also > announced when core:BITZ > and myself started core:NRG. So I have given plenty > of notice to everyone.. Must of missed that memo... I'm quite certian nobody gives a shit what "crew" you are a part of.....could that be why nobody knew of your "crew" change? I wouldn't be surprised one bit:CORE, nrg:BITS, bits of:NRG:core...ahhhhh fuck it! cj ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68704-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 16:58:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86835 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 16:58:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86816 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 16:58:33 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c10bbd$68c43c60$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: "Ben R." Cc: , References: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:01:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? You have got to be kidding!!! Field of Dreams is total history! plus this AREA 51 event is IN SF! Peace, Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben R." To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > Hmmm....Field of Dreams, Chico?! > LOL...i hope not tho! > > > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED > > > AREA 51 VENUE information? > > > > > > Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA > > > 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue > > > information... > > > > > > Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 > > > is going to take place... I will give a free ticket > > > to the first person that gets the right answer! > > > > > > Peace and love, > > > > > > Greg Sandler > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68705-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 17:35:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31860 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 17:35:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31845 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 17:35:38 -0000 Message-ID: <002001c10bc2$a703ce50$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , "Lara" , "innocentchild" , "f8" Cc: "Emily Edwards" , "SFR" References: <004e01c10bb5$43ca6bd0$100110ac@thenoid> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:38:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Kevin asked me to forward this letter to the list please take the time to read it.. Sf Rave list. Well, after a hard days work I come home to my computer to find an inbox bombarded with hate email. Every email received expressing rights to freedom of speech and to the Fifth Amendment. Well that's great! It makes me really happy to know that most of you know your rights, and feel motivated to boycott or protest a strong belief. That's what's so beautiful about America. I am really disappointed to see this kind of feedback and negative attention towards our event. We've been doing parties for quit some time now, and I have personally gone to long lengths to provide for our scene. Many of you may not know who I am because I chose to stay away from this list because of the negative gossip, slander, and the judgments people pass onto others. We've had people spread rumors before, I mean bad ones, but in reality it doesn't discourage others that work with me. The downfall to our music scene comes from such sources that not only speak gossip, but also only have negative inputs. Anywhere from someone like your hotshot DJ, to your, "I am a better promoter slanderers". Ok, Bottom line is that a lot of you that decided to put down our crew and pass judgment on us. DON'T HAVE HARD FACTS!! It upsets me to come home and see people doing nothing but talking shit about us, and what we've done to make their life's miserable. We've gone to extreme measures to be able to provide such events, but all you negative people are nothing but ungrateful. (Yet you wonder where our scene has gone?) I am more than positive that not one of you had all the facts to this party. FACT IS: That the lovely venue we have been able to provide for all you to come out and enjoy demanded we advertise such a statement. C'mon. All of you die hards out there would know for a fact that we have never limited or selectively chose our crowds, especially not because of clothing. (HELLOOOO) What is the purpose of a rave? Express who you are, say what you want to say, do what you want to do. This isn't studio 54, and this isn't any dress up booty fest. Question: Why should we be at fault for what other people stereotype clothing to be? Meaning, if you have a red bandanna, does that mean you're a gang member? You see peeps? This issue has been going on for years. (Discrimination) Why should we be judged for something someone wore in a bank robbery or a drive by? I feel you all on this subject Bottom line is that we have no say or any legal rights to tell a business owner how to run their own business: This is America right? Well unfortunately the people we have secured the location from do not feel that enthusiastic about raves. They requested that we specifically avoid conflicts between others by not wearing gang or hatred attire. (Yes I know sport-clothing sounds to general) But these people know their area, and if they feel that it's best for the safety of others and for the future usage of the venue, THEY'LL LAY DOWN THE LAW. We want to bring you this event. We've always been able to attract those with a positive outlook, people that know what were all about. Please, all of those people that passed judgment on our crew with out making an effort to be rational either open your eyes or stay home, because such negative energy will only hold everything that we want back even more. All of you that planned on protesting at our party, great thinking guys. Lets just take everything we have and throw it away! Not over my dead body, I've worked to hard trying to pull this off, and I am not going to have a bunch of empty-headed haters phuc it up! Now, I am m more than reasonable and able to understand the confusion our so-called speaker gave out. Some of you didn't want to hear it and Nick does not speak for all of us, but instead of telling you guys the situation, he presented it to be like we were the haters and we wouldn't allow a so called (thugs at our parties). Well, for those who know who I am, know I wouldn't relate to such hating. I have much love for our hip hop and rap scene, ask anyone. Nick was trying to defend our purpose for the request that was presented. Please, if any of you have funk with him, don't take it our on our crew, we have been here for a while and will always be here. Lets go up one more step and think positive, Unite by fighting this Anti-Rave scene the government has laid down on us, lets not fight amongst each other but fight for each other. Such a statement would have never been said, but it is a positive thing if it sets your mind to the real fight and brings us together. I hope you can be able to come out and enjoy what pieces we have left while we work towards bringing UNITY while fighting to protect the scene and keep it alive. Well. I think that should give you all an answer as to y. We love you all, And by any means would love to party with you. If you have any questions, you may email me @ UnityVibeTRb@aol.com we apologize for the SFR negative subject of the day. Keep it alive. Kevin. H UVT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eckö" To: "Lara" ; "innocentchild" Cc: "Emily Edwards" ; "SFR" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > I announced a long time ago I was not throwing parties under UVT any more..I > would say about a month after Infinity.. So please don't blame me for you > need reading my post regarding this matter..I also announced when core:BITZ > and myself started core:NRG. So I have given plenty of notice to everyone.. > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lara" > To: "innocentchild" > Cc: "Emily Edwards" ; "SFR" > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > And an addition to this: > > Nick if you haven't been the key part of UVT for awhile, why is this just > > NOW coming up on this list? Why wasn't it brought up before you started > > taking heat for this issue? I don't know about you, but if I was the key > > person of a promoting group and stepped down after a long time, I would > > have announced it just to clarify. If you don't like the actions of UVT > > you should not be obliged to be a part of them anymore. > > Lara > > > > ---- > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > two." > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Lara wrote: > > > > > word to ryan! this is absolutely true. > > > Nick has been promoting UVT as *his* parties for as long as I've known > him > > > to be on the list - for him to say that this is not his party is > > > ridiculous, and another pure example of his conflicting truths. To say > > > you're UVT for all this time, and someone comes to you with a difficult > > > issue about your party policies, and you back down and say "this isn't > > > me" is bullshit. Either pull your name from this party if you don't want > > > anything to do with it (and all your involvement) and it's truly not > > > yours, or own up to it and take the heat for making a stupid decision. > > > Vlad and many other promoters have the balls to stand up to their > > > parties and take responsibility of answering public opinion, but Nick > just > > > throws the blame on somebody else, which is SO much easier than > > > being logical, right? Very typical behavior from him. Once > > > again, I feel sick. > > > Lara > > > > > > ---- > > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > > two." > > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, innocentchild wrote: > > > > > > > Given that Nick always represents himself as part of UVT and Core:NRG > he's > > > > responsible for the image that he portrays of himself and those > groups. > > > > Here's a parallel for you... If you work at something like a > Blockbuster > > > > Video that has a uniform you're representing the company and it's > image. > > > > Should you go out to get some food and talk trash at the place people > see > > > > you as someone from Blockbuster and the image of that store is changed > in > > > > those people's minds. Same thing goes here with SFR. When you add > these > > > > affiliations to your signiture file people associate you with a > certain > > > > group of people and the image of that group. I see Nick I think UVT. I > see > > > > Jeremey Bispo I think ASR. I see Shane I think Epiphany and so on. If > a > > > > member of your group posts info to a major list like this and has the > groups > > > > name associated with that individual people on the list will see that > member > > > > as a represntitive. That's what's happening with Nick right now. He > posted > > > > the info for the UVT party while previously associating himself as a > big > > > > part of UVT. To say that he has nothing to do with this and don't yell > at me > > > > is sad. Joining a group to throw parties for whatever reason means > you're > > > > committing to that group and act as a representitive of that group > > > > regardless of your level of involvement. If Nick is a part of UVT like > he's > > > > always said then he should stand up for what his group means to him > and not > > > > shy away from the email that's being sent right now. If this > kevikev420 guy > > > > is the one in charge or has the info on this all, then Nick should be > a > > > > proxy to SFR unless that individual is on the list. SFR sees Nick as > UVT. > > > > He's the voice of UVT on SFR. He didn't make the rules for this party > nor is > > > > he heading up this party, but he needs to relay the information from > the > > > > person who *is* so that all this missinformation can be alleviated. To > > > > continue that Blockbuster analogy Nick can always take the annoyed > customer > > > > and hand them off to the manager and say *not my problem* which is > what > > > > seems to have occured. Hooray for retail parties! > > > > > > > > ryan.bailey > > > > sninesix.design > > > > www.viberation.com/ryan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Emily Edwards" > > > > To: "SFR" > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once > again > > > > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick > pisses > > > > > some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right > now. > > > > THE > > > > > PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn > > > > everyone...I > > > > > know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and > it > > > > > isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the > > > > safety > > > > > of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be > treated > > > > > like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated > with > > > > this > > > > > party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, > please have > > > > a > > > > > good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated > food, > > > > > clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's > lost > > > > more > > > > > than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. > It's > > > > > hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever > aspect of > > > > > your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One > last > > > > > comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't > even > > > > > comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring > it up > > > > > again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a > > > > stronger > > > > > attack...This is lame...let it die. > > > > > > > > > > Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is > trying > > > > to > > > > > make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > > > > > > > > > > ~*Emily*~ > > > > > www.core-nrg.net > > > > > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68706-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 17:50:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56720 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 17:50:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56709 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 17:50:39 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c10bc5$5868a380$6c88f7d1@brak> From: "Emily Edwards" To: "SFR" References: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:57:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Lara...I mean no disrespect, I would just like to point something out. I seem to remember the BSP for Infinity or it might have been some post promoting Infinity, but Nick announced that Infinity would be the last UVT party...meaning, he was part of UVT for a long time you're right, but as of December 17 (the day after Infinity) he was no longer a member of UVT. I know SFR is archived, and if you'd like to look it up, be my guest. I just hope my memory serves me well. =) Anyway...this post is a little drawn out don't you think? ~*Emily*~ www.core-nrg.net Freedom defined is freedom denied... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lara" To: "innocentchild" Cc: "Emily Edwards" ; "SFR" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > And an addition to this: > Nick if you haven't been the key part of UVT for awhile, why is this just > NOW coming up on this list? Why wasn't it brought up before you started > taking heat for this issue? I don't know about you, but if I was the key > person of a promoting group and stepped down after a long time, I would > have announced it just to clarify. If you don't like the actions of UVT > you should not be obliged to be a part of them anymore. > Lara > > ---- > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > two." > -- Erich Fromm > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > -- Oscar Wilde > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Lara wrote: > > > word to ryan! this is absolutely true. > > Nick has been promoting UVT as *his* parties for as long as I've known him > > to be on the list - for him to say that this is not his party is > > ridiculous, and another pure example of his conflicting truths. To say > > you're UVT for all this time, and someone comes to you with a difficult > > issue about your party policies, and you back down and say "this isn't > > me" is bullshit. Either pull your name from this party if you don't want > > anything to do with it (and all your involvement) and it's truly not > > yours, or own up to it and take the heat for making a stupid decision. > > Vlad and many other promoters have the balls to stand up to their > > parties and take responsibility of answering public opinion, but Nick just > > throws the blame on somebody else, which is SO much easier than > > being logical, right? Very typical behavior from him. Once > > again, I feel sick. > > Lara > > > > ---- > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > two." > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, innocentchild wrote: > > > > > Given that Nick always represents himself as part of UVT and Core:NRG he's > > > responsible for the image that he portrays of himself and those groups. > > > Here's a parallel for you... If you work at something like a Blockbuster > > > Video that has a uniform you're representing the company and it's image. > > > Should you go out to get some food and talk trash at the place people see > > > you as someone from Blockbuster and the image of that store is changed in > > > those people's minds. Same thing goes here with SFR. When you add these > > > affiliations to your signiture file people associate you with a certain > > > group of people and the image of that group. I see Nick I think UVT. I see > > > Jeremey Bispo I think ASR. I see Shane I think Epiphany and so on. If a > > > member of your group posts info to a major list like this and has the groups > > > name associated with that individual people on the list will see that member > > > as a represntitive. That's what's happening with Nick right now. He posted > > > the info for the UVT party while previously associating himself as a big > > > part of UVT. To say that he has nothing to do with this and don't yell at me > > > is sad. Joining a group to throw parties for whatever reason means you're > > > committing to that group and act as a representitive of that group > > > regardless of your level of involvement. If Nick is a part of UVT like he's > > > always said then he should stand up for what his group means to him and not > > > shy away from the email that's being sent right now. If this kevikev420 guy > > > is the one in charge or has the info on this all, then Nick should be a > > > proxy to SFR unless that individual is on the list. SFR sees Nick as UVT. > > > He's the voice of UVT on SFR. He didn't make the rules for this party nor is > > > he heading up this party, but he needs to relay the information from the > > > person who *is* so that all this missinformation can be alleviated. To > > > continue that Blockbuster analogy Nick can always take the annoyed customer > > > and hand them off to the manager and say *not my problem* which is what > > > seems to have occured. Hooray for retail parties! > > > > > > ryan.bailey > > > sninesix.design > > > www.viberation.com/ryan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Emily Edwards" > > > To: "SFR" > > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again > > > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > > > > > > > Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick pisses > > > > some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right now. > > > THE > > > > PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn > > > everyone...I > > > > know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and it > > > > isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the > > > safety > > > > of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be treated > > > > like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated with > > > this > > > > party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, please have > > > a > > > > good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated food, > > > > clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's lost > > > more > > > > than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. It's > > > > hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever aspect of > > > > your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One last > > > > comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't even > > > > comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring it up > > > > again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a > > > stronger > > > > attack...This is lame...let it die. > > > > > > > > Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is trying > > > to > > > > make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > > > > > > > > ~*Emily*~ > > > > www.core-nrg.net > > > > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68707-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 17:55:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70095 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 17:55:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70042 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 17:55:30 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:55:25 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] psytrance and goa trance live stream Good stuff =) http://www.philosomatika.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68708-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 18:03:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85555 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 18:03:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85516 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 18:03:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:02:35 EDT From: Hallucinogen12@aol.com To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <91.d44f6cf.288091bc@aol.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Roll Call: FOCUS Yay! My boy and I will definitely be there tonight! Hope to see some of you there. It should be a tight party. ^_^ Also, I hope to see you guys at the Happy Kids party tomorrow night...I'll be there, too! Wow...this is a party weekend~ <3 Jen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68709-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 18:03:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87801 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 18:03:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87777 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 18:03:51 -0000 Message-ID: <004201c10bc6$9a0d5640$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Emily Edwards" , "SFR" References: <003501c10bc5$5868a380$6c88f7d1@brak> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:06:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Sorry I'm still posting on this topic but Kevin wanted me to also clarify what Tina had said about the flyer reading all on e ; Kevikev420: I said that after I looked at the flier twice, it seemed like it said all on e. it was like a discovery I made once it was out, Here is a quote for everyone to think about; You find the silver lining to the darkest cloud. Everybody gets to change and grow.. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Edwards" To: "SFR" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > Lara...I mean no disrespect, I would just like to point something out. I > seem to remember the BSP for Infinity or it might have been some post > promoting Infinity, but Nick announced that Infinity would be the last UVT > party...meaning, he was part of UVT for a long time you're right, but as of > December 17 (the day after Infinity) he was no longer a member of UVT. I > know SFR is archived, and if you'd like to look it up, be my guest. I just > hope my memory serves me well. =) Anyway...this post is a little drawn out > don't you think? > > ~*Emily*~ > www.core-nrg.net > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lara" > To: "innocentchild" > Cc: "Emily Edwards" ; "SFR" > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > And an addition to this: > > Nick if you haven't been the key part of UVT for awhile, why is this just > > NOW coming up on this list? Why wasn't it brought up before you started > > taking heat for this issue? I don't know about you, but if I was the key > > person of a promoting group and stepped down after a long time, I would > > have announced it just to clarify. If you don't like the actions of UVT > > you should not be obliged to be a part of them anymore. > > Lara > > > > ---- > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > two." > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Lara wrote: > > > > > word to ryan! this is absolutely true. > > > Nick has been promoting UVT as *his* parties for as long as I've known > him > > > to be on the list - for him to say that this is not his party is > > > ridiculous, and another pure example of his conflicting truths. To say > > > you're UVT for all this time, and someone comes to you with a difficult > > > issue about your party policies, and you back down and say "this isn't > > > me" is bullshit. Either pull your name from this party if you don't want > > > anything to do with it (and all your involvement) and it's truly not > > > yours, or own up to it and take the heat for making a stupid decision. > > > Vlad and many other promoters have the balls to stand up to their > > > parties and take responsibility of answering public opinion, but Nick > just > > > throws the blame on somebody else, which is SO much easier than > > > being logical, right? Very typical behavior from him. Once > > > again, I feel sick. > > > Lara > > > > > > ---- > > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > > two." > > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, innocentchild wrote: > > > > > > > Given that Nick always represents himself as part of UVT and Core:NRG > he's > > > > responsible for the image that he portrays of himself and those > groups. > > > > Here's a parallel for you... If you work at something like a > Blockbuster > > > > Video that has a uniform you're representing the company and it's > image. > > > > Should you go out to get some food and talk trash at the place people > see > > > > you as someone from Blockbuster and the image of that store is changed > in > > > > those people's minds. Same thing goes here with SFR. When you add > these > > > > affiliations to your signiture file people associate you with a > certain > > > > group of people and the image of that group. I see Nick I think UVT. I > see > > > > Jeremey Bispo I think ASR. I see Shane I think Epiphany and so on. If > a > > > > member of your group posts info to a major list like this and has the > groups > > > > name associated with that individual people on the list will see that > member > > > > as a represntitive. That's what's happening with Nick right now. He > posted > > > > the info for the UVT party while previously associating himself as a > big > > > > part of UVT. To say that he has nothing to do with this and don't yell > at me > > > > is sad. Joining a group to throw parties for whatever reason means > you're > > > > committing to that group and act as a representitive of that group > > > > regardless of your level of involvement. If Nick is a part of UVT like > he's > > > > always said then he should stand up for what his group means to him > and not > > > > shy away from the email that's being sent right now. If this > kevikev420 guy > > > > is the one in charge or has the info on this all, then Nick should be > a > > > > proxy to SFR unless that individual is on the list. SFR sees Nick as > UVT. > > > > He's the voice of UVT on SFR. He didn't make the rules for this party > nor is > > > > he heading up this party, but he needs to relay the information from > the > > > > person who *is* so that all this missinformation can be alleviated. To > > > > continue that Blockbuster analogy Nick can always take the annoyed > customer > > > > and hand them off to the manager and say *not my problem* which is > what > > > > seems to have occured. Hooray for retail parties! > > > > > > > > ryan.bailey > > > > sninesix.design > > > > www.viberation.com/ryan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Emily Edwards" > > > > To: "SFR" > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once > again > > > > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick > pisses > > > > > some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right > now. > > > > THE > > > > > PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn > > > > everyone...I > > > > > know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and > it > > > > > isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the > > > > safety > > > > > of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be > treated > > > > > like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated > with > > > > this > > > > > party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, > please have > > > > a > > > > > good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated > food, > > > > > clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's > lost > > > > more > > > > > than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. > It's > > > > > hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever > aspect of > > > > > your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One > last > > > > > comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't > even > > > > > comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring > it up > > > > > again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a > > > > stronger > > > > > attack...This is lame...let it die. > > > > > > > > > > Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is > trying > > > > to > > > > > make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > > > > > > > > > > ~*Emily*~ > > > > > www.core-nrg.net > > > > > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68710-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 18:07:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94725 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 18:07:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94708 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 18:07:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003501c10bc5$5868a380$6c88f7d1@brak> References: <003501c10bc5$5868a380$6c88f7d1@brak> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:03:42 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! I think promoters and anyone providing information about an event should be held to a higher standard. This has always been a component of the SFRaves discussion community. I say let the discussions continue. Additionally, this discussion should be a reminder to all promoters that this is a public discussion forum, not simply a shut up and let me promote my party and don't say anything negative about it forum. >Lara...I mean no disrespect, I would just like to point something out. I >seem to remember the BSP for Infinity or it might have been some post >promoting Infinity, but Nick announced that Infinity would be the last UVT >party...meaning, he was part of UVT for a long time you're right, but as of >December 17 (the day after Infinity) he was no longer a member of UVT. I >know SFR is archived, and if you'd like to look it up, be my guest. I just >hope my memory serves me well. =) Anyway...this post is a little drawn out >don't you think? > >~*Emily*~ >www.core-nrg.net >Freedom defined is freedom denied... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lara" >To: "innocentchild" >Cc: "Emily Edwards" ; "SFR" >Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:23 AM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > And an addition to this: > > Nick if you haven't been the key part of UVT for awhile, why is this just > > NOW coming up on this list? Why wasn't it brought up before you started > > taking heat for this issue? I don't know about you, but if I was the key > > person of a promoting group and stepped down after a long time, I would > > have announced it just to clarify. If you don't like the actions of UVT > > you should not be obliged to be a part of them anymore. > > Lara > > > > ---- > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > two." > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Lara wrote: > > > > > word to ryan! this is absolutely true. > > > Nick has been promoting UVT as *his* parties for as long as I've known >him > > > to be on the list - for him to say that this is not his party is > > > ridiculous, and another pure example of his conflicting truths. To say > > > you're UVT for all this time, and someone comes to you with a difficult > > > issue about your party policies, and you back down and say "this isn't > > > me" is bullshit. Either pull your name from this party if you don't want > > > anything to do with it (and all your involvement) and it's truly not > > > yours, or own up to it and take the heat for making a stupid decision. > > > Vlad and many other promoters have the balls to stand up to their > > > parties and take responsibility of answering public opinion, but Nick >just > > > throws the blame on somebody else, which is SO much easier than > > > being logical, right? Very typical behavior from him. Once > > > again, I feel sick. > > > Lara > > > > > > ---- > > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > > two." > > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, innocentchild wrote: > > > > > > > Given that Nick always represents himself as part of UVT and Core:NRG >he's > > > > responsible for the image that he portrays of himself and those >groups. > > > > Here's a parallel for you... If you work at something like a >Blockbuster > > > > Video that has a uniform you're representing the company and it's >image. > > > > Should you go out to get some food and talk trash at the place people >see > > > > you as someone from Blockbuster and the image of that store is changed >in > > > > those people's minds. Same thing goes here with SFR. When you add >these > > > > affiliations to your signiture file people associate you with a >certain > > > > group of people and the image of that group. I see Nick I think UVT. I >see > > > > Jeremey Bispo I think ASR. I see Shane I think Epiphany and so on. If >a > > > > member of your group posts info to a major list like this and has the >groups > > > > name associated with that individual people on the list will see that >member > > > > as a represntitive. That's what's happening with Nick right now. He >posted > > > > the info for the UVT party while previously associating himself as a >big > > > > part of UVT. To say that he has nothing to do with this and don't yell >at me > > > > is sad. Joining a group to throw parties for whatever reason means >you're > > > > committing to that group and act as a representitive of that group > > > > regardless of your level of involvement. If Nick is a part of UVT like >he's > > > > always said then he should stand up for what his group means to him >and not > > > > shy away from the email that's being sent right now. If this >kevikev420 guy > > > > is the one in charge or has the info on this all, then Nick should be >a > > > > proxy to SFR unless that individual is on the list. SFR sees Nick as >UVT. > > > > He's the voice of UVT on SFR. He didn't make the rules for this party >nor is > > > > he heading up this party, but he needs to relay the information from >the > > > > person who *is* so that all this missinformation can be alleviated. To > > > > continue that Blockbuster analogy Nick can always take the annoyed >customer > > > > and hand them off to the manager and say *not my problem* which is >what > > > > seems to have occured. Hooray for retail parties! > > > > > > > > ryan.bailey > > > > sninesix.design > > > > www.viberation.com/ryan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Emily Edwards" > > > > To: "SFR" > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once >again > > > > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick >pisses > > > > > some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right >now. > > > > THE > > > > > PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn > > > > everyone...I > > > > > know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and >it > > > > > isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the > > > > safety > > > > > of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be >treated > > > > > like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated >with > > > > this > > > > > party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, >please have > > > > a > > > > > good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated >food, > > > > > clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's >lost > > > > more > > > > > than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. >It's > > > > > hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever >aspect of > > > > > your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One >last > > > > > comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't >even > > > > > comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring >it up > > > > > again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a > > > > stronger > > > > > attack...This is lame...let it die. > > > > > > > > > > Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is >trying > > > > to > > > > > make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > > > > > > > > > > ~*Emily*~ > > > > > www.core-nrg.net > > > > > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68711-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 18:16:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16462 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 18:16:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16443 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 18:16:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:16:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 18:16:01.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF741A10:01C10BC7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] What to do? My old crew fom pittsburgh pa is coming out here to vist from the 15th of august to the 19th. Im fairly new to the bay area myself and was wondering if anyone could give me some party info or maybe some clubs. Also if anyone knows of any UG events email me privately at louearly@hotmail.com Thanks alot Peace Lou- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68712-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 18:59:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76399 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 18:59:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76389 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 18:59:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713185911.3422.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] where is cassady? nrr but could be rrrrrrrrrrr where is the man? oh, and also, since i am out here, i was thinking about vans, delivery trucks and sports utility vehicles during this mornings giggle fit. it is very funny to be picked up in a vehicle that is most usually used for delivering commodities knowing that the driver kind of thinks your a commodity too. cheap is fun. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68713-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 19:12:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94887 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 19:12:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94873 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 19:12:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: =?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?= cc: Lara , innocentchild , f8 , Emily Edwards , SFR In-Reply-To: <002001c10bc2$a703ce50$100110ac@thenoid> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! okay enough everyone, im tired of this, nick didnt ask for anything or make any of the rules he is just abiding by others wishes, please end this... and on another note "of shameless promotion" you should definetely be at this party for the drum n bass line-up that is prepared to throw down some dope basslines and some totally electric sounds. come check out the phat moosic we are going to be throwing down. laterz, kenneth ps. stop the negativity, there was no harm meant by anyone. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68714-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 19:32:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12698 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 19:32:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12682 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 19:32:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713193233.5458.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: ".aryck." , Yasmin Fang , sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: shepherd_boy99@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <01fc01c10b50$06535ba0$0101a8c0@simmee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ABOUT MY POSTS i have something to add, please :)...sometimes, people will say nice things and act nice, but they are not nice at all...they only know how to speak a language like english, as an example, and are aware of a few social customs....like, apologizing after throwing a punch or two or three or four at their wife. hmmm, just had to be a mom, esp. cuz i watched a pbs special on spousal abuse agin dis morn'in...fascinating stuff....a woman decided to prosecute her husband for beating her and subsequently went into hiding, so the husband went to the d.a.'s office, and he told the d.a. that he was sorry for what happened and that he wanted to take care of his wife and children and that he had a job, blah, blah, blah..wanted to work things out...told the d.a. that he'd go and get therapy too, so the d.a. told the man the location of his then spouse...when she arrived home from work that night, he was in her house and he raped her and beat her again. lame ass, huh? i don't know if going to a shelter would have made things better for her or not. at least she did not die. some men get really upset when women want to do things like take a secretarial position to feed herself and her babies and to live happily and to have satisfying relationships and work. it sucks. :) --- ".aryck." wrote: > iss all gooood YO !!! > > > hehe. . . > > : ) > > don't trip, it's a big list with lotsa loud > mouths glued to chairs far > far away from the people they're arguing with. Good > people usually. . . but > most people don't say much if they can see you in > front of them. > > I totally dig people with edgy posts. They're > interesting. . . lots of > fun. . . > > : ) > > > be nice > > aryck > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68715-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 19:43:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29346 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 19:43:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29336 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 19:43:23 -0000 Date: 13 Jul 2001 12:42:54 -0700 Message-ID: <20010713194254.8542.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Jul 2001 19:42:54 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: tetsuya@space.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: tetsuya@space.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] High Tech Rave Tattoo I want a tattoo sooo bad, but its got to have a High Tech Rave theme. Anybody out there have some cool designs that incorporate technology, genetic code, or electric circuitry? I'll pay for them if their excellent. Please send any cool designs to tetsuya@space.com. Thanks. Tet ___________________________________________________________________ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68716-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 19:57:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48628 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 19:57:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48610 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 19:57:05 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:57:21 -0700 From: Dan Carr To: sfraves , sac raves , bay area happycore , f8 Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP//happy kids.The LEGEND Continues.tommorow night Tommorow night is THE night! In the heart of the bay area rave scene, we're bring you a party where it all started: Happy Kids presents in OAKLAND: THE LEGEND CONTINUES... This is a FULLY PERMITTED PARTY that where the music won't stop until 7 AM!! That's right! you're not getting out of this party until the sun is high in the sky! In The Palace of Pixies: ***AMOKALIPSE NOW 2001 WORLD TOUR*** featuring: CHRIS C and MADAM ZU These UK-Hardhouse/NRG superstar's are going be performing at LEGEND in the first ever joint bay area apperance! Dyloot (skills) Thee-o (Biohazzard-LA) DJ D (www.dj-d.com) Elias Smith (Happy Kids) Ian Vogel (Happy Kids) Impulse (Unity/Happy Kids) In the Sea Of Sorcery: STEVEN SACKS (deephouse.com/Atlanta, GA) Steven sacks is Atlanta's very own house superstar! When he's banging away at the decks, there's no way you can resist stompin' your feet! Spyhunter (spyhunter.com/liquidmercury/Hawaii's biggest trance/breaks star) Koris (Liquidmercury/Switzerland's hottest trance techno guru) Happy Kid Marty (Happy kids/Bay Area's funkiest house DJ) Fossil feat MC^2 (Illuminous Illuminati/Seattle's premiere Drum'n'bass/Jungle DJ/MC Combo) Greg Sandler (Harmony) Braq (Happy Kids) Mariposa (Happy Kids) DJ Chris (Happy Kids) In the Kingdom of Kandy: PAULINA TAYLOR (H3/Hypersound) LA's very own happycore god is going to grace our party with more energy than you can handle! Spree (Sonicfury.net/Minneapolis,MN) Anthony Mad (Subsonic Underground/SAC) Cloudskipper (Sonicfury.net/SF) Valerie Sparks (Liquidvinyldjs.com/Supernova Recordings/Sac) Tronic *official record release for Resistance Records* Climaxxx (twenty1.crew.com/SF) Kid Cosmo (Happy Kids) $33 presales available are available @ Skills, F8, Solid Grooves, Subsonic Underground, and harmonics! they'll be in stores all the way through saturday, and door tickets will be available! Happy Kids Info: 415.262.0210 510.873.0210 We invite all responsible party goers to come and bring a high vibe! please respect each other and remember that you guys are the people who truly make our parties spectacular! see ya there smilin/connection through affection --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68717-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 19:59:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56228 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 19:59:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56217 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 19:59:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:57:21 -0700 From: EKLEKTIC / HEKTIC X-Sender: dMarie@mail.groundscore.net (Unverified) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GEEG6/vE3xO4ofUf8vkS6Q)" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Juju (b-day)/ FTD bomb voyage/ Presha/ Push/ Haze --Boundary_(ID_GEEG6/vE3xO4ofUf8vkS6Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DESTROY YOUR WEEKEND THIS SATURDAY JULY 14th ever on-point Eklektic/Hektic and Groundscore Crew are making history once again. We Are San Francisco Futurism Worldwide E K L E K T I C = Proper Dancefloor Drum & Bass H E K T I C = Nu-Steppin Breaks S. F. = It's right insane! Eklektic Drum & Bass Madness Saturday is JUJUs birthday. Give him a big, wet kiss. PRESHA (Compound) JUJU (Phuturo/Phunckateck) PUSH (Future Breaks FM/True Intent) MIKEY J (MechaSOUL) BOH! Hektic Breakin Bizness This is FTDs last Hektic appearance for a month! UK WATCH OUT! FELIX THE DOG (Groundscore/In-Flight Ent) HAZE (Cryonix, UK) FROGGER (AciDidjHeDoo) The Eklektic/Hektic site is about to re-launch. Thanks Genome. We are hiring interns again. Please reply to me. Serious applicants need only apply. This week we are introducing new urban artwork for the club, thanks to Joe Peterson. At Eklektic and Hektic (The Red Light Districts) you get the top talent, an uncomparable vibe, forward thinking artists and dancers, urban art and a crew who really DOES THIS FOR THE LOVE OF THE MUSIC. NEXT WEEK // JULY 21st // TWO THOUSAND ONE EKLEKTIC UFO!, ABSTRACT, K*O*D*A* listen to a recent set of UFO! at EKLEKTIC http://www.versionk.com/ go to the MP3 Stream HEKTIC CLOCKWORK vs LEXXUS (San Diego) This is the rematch, these two work the shit out of eachother! Always On // Saturday // Cat Club 1190 Folsom Street @ 8th // SF 10pm-3am // 21+ // Sucka Free 2 Full Bars // 2 Main Dance Floors // Lots of Love Up in This Joint VIP entrance is $5.00 from now on, excluding the artists guests, those we work with currently or have worked with for years! The club is taxing us off the door and we strive to keep alive during this economic crunch! For an old skool press bite on Eklektic, click below. Dont laugh at our picture! http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sfmetro/05.04.98/club-9816.html EKLEKTIC / HEKTIC SPONSORS DC SHOES http://www.dcshoes.com LB-426 http://www.fabric8.com/ search for LB-426 CITIZEN-7 http://www.citizen7.com/ KNOWLEDGE MAGAZINE http://www.knowledgemag.co.uk/ RESPECT (get it and give it) dMarie http://www.groundscore.net/dMarie E K L E K T I C // H E K T I C http://www.eklektic.net/ G R O U N D S C O R E http://www.groundscore.net/ --Boundary_(ID_GEEG6/vE3xO4ofUf8vkS6Q)-- From sfraves-return-68718-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 20:05:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65479 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 20:05:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65468 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 20:05:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Plastic Nuclear Ferret To: Brian - THUMP Radio , ALifeLessOrdnary@aol.com cc: "that ravin' mailin' list" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] The best hard trance songs. . . you need to listen to amber's new promo CD... available at stores around the bay area (or contact her directly: amber@iamthedj.com). there is more info here: www.iamthedj.com i hate trance, but she spins trance that doesn't suck. it's hard as hell, full of acid and generally yummy... and it's not psytrance. some people like to call it "amber trance". >8^) shane ps- ok, i *am* slightly biased as we're dating, but it's still a rocking fucking CD. On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 ALifeLessOrdnary@aol.com wrote: > Okay everyone, I'm looking for some really good, hard hitting hard trance > songs. All the trance I seem to be getting lately sounds the same, or is > what i call . . . faggy trance! Im looking for songs like Mauro Picotto - > Pulsar, Storm - Time To Burn, 666 - Amok, etc, Nostrum - Curva Peligrosa, > etc. You get the picture. Please save me from this faggy trance that I > can't get away from!!! Please email me privately if you have any > suggestions for some songs that I can look out for. I have AOL, so I get > about 1% of the SFRaves Emails. Thanks!! > -- @-------------------------------------------------------@ [..........Knowledge Through Tangentalization...........] [........Shane Knapp donut@ bayarea.net..........] [............http://www.bayarea.net/~donut .............] @-------------------------------------------------------@ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68719-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 20:23:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1118 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 20:23:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1076 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 20:23:08 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:23:02 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010713193233.5458.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: NRR [sfraves] ABOUT MY POSTS NRR WTF? ... except of course the part about people who only know how to speak a language like English. That would explain a lot. > at all...they only know how to speak a language like > english, as an example, and are aware of a few social > customs....like, apologizing after throwing a punch > or two or three or four at their wife. hmmm, just had > to be a mom, esp. cuz i watched a pbs special on > spousal abuse agin dis morn'in...fascinating > stuff....a woman --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68720-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 20:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36669 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 20:45:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36628 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 20:45:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713204541.80586.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:45:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: F 8 , sf raves Cc: joey kandykid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Watch out for drinking peanuts...My Ascension review. O.k. so last night I stopped by an old, old, old friends house I haven't seen in years, to say hi. Phil and I have gone to school together since kindergarten, and have lots and lots of funny memories. I told him I was going to Ascensions and he was kind of curious to the scene I am in. Mind you Phil has that "gangsta", "thuggish" look to him, but he just wanted to go out and have a good time with an old friend. So I obliged and brought him along for various reasons. 1. ( for my friend) to dissolve the myth that we are all e-tards and 2.( for the scene) to prove we can all get along. Well we get to Blakes around 10:30 and see a few friends outside, Catherine and Peanut and the stray they totted along with them Jason. Said Hello to my wonderful Osby, Christoff, Natalie and Berry. Get to met ( the original, not the imposter)Ryan and later Veronica (quick name all the members to n'sync), oh and had the wonderful opportunity to meet lithium chick, O'kay. Sorry Denise if i was rambling I was trying to rescue you from the bizarre and utter nonsense of lithium chick, but probably came off just as crazy to any one else. So we get down to the basement as Macadio and Alex Van Dune are finishing up their set. Very nice way to start off the night. It gave me that gradual climb of enthusiasm for Fuckwork and his incredible house set. But it didn't stop there, oh no, it just kept building and building the adrenaline up inside me. By the time Denise and Ice 9 got on deck, my ass could not stop the groove. Could you believe that was me in that circle, I couldn't. Got to give it up to Vanessa and Marianna though those two chicks had it going on in there. O.k. but the booty dancing, got a little out of hand there. I mean it was all cute and all in the beginning but the freak train, o.k. i could have done with out that. Justin though was giving me the encouragement and energy i needed to have in there thank you, kid. So awesome crowd, very, very packed but it gave to the vibe. I am glad that my friend had a great time, he might even come with me to an actual party now. He pretty much just used up all of my film taking pictures of everyone and meeting people, didn't dance at all, but maybe next time. But see we can all unite and share the vibe to everyone regardless of appearances. So we start to clear out and who do I see, Peanut, drunk as a skunk, very funny when she is in this state of mind. I bet she gave great offerings to the porcelain god last night/this morning. I 'm betting she'll be scratching walls today. I guess you guys just have to come out next time when Jeno will grace us and find out for yourselves, what a peanut looks like drunk. She had Joey the kandy kid in tow with her and it was great seeing him out there, I am glad that things are looking better for you, i was really sad when I read that last e-mail from you. Keep in touch though. So as always a wonderful night, thank you guys for making this possible for us. Love you to death. And see you next time. I guess next week I get to check out Anthems for the first time. Any one down to go? Jamie Star __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68721-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 21:11:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68330 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 21:11:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68319 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 21:11:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [146.74.93.166] From: "Aklaim ." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:10:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 21:10:51.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BF371F0:01C10BE0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **Paging Happy Kids Crew** If somebody from this crew could get back to me a.s.a.p. it would be much appriciated. This is in regards to your event on Saturday. thanx, BJ pgr/vcm: 408-301-5998 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68722-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 21:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77195 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 21:17:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77185 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 21:17:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713211716.3449.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:17:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilez Krazimann To: tina pruett , Mike Migurski , LAGISTRATE Cc: Gilez Krazimann , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <6476840.995002137267.JavaMail.MoonChyId@gomailjtp02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! pshaw!! so much attention for such a simple little side project!!! I'll look into the colors thing. cafepress.com finally has color t-shirts but it's not automated yet, you have to send them an e-mail specially. giles ps: muchas gracias para los props. :-) --- tina pruett wrote: > yeah that would be cute if the tshirt was in > black... or a nice blue... i always liked the way > that green and blue look together... but not a navy > or light blue, a dark, but bright shade... > > love and hugs and kisses, > tina > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Mike Migurski" > To: "LAGISTRATE" > Cc: "Gilez Krazimann", > sfraves@hyperreal.org > Date: Thu Jul 12 17:31:48 PDT 2001 > Subject: Re: [sfraves] sketchiness is fun!! > > >I'd hardly call it a flame, but it was pretty damn > funny. :) > > > >can I get my shirt in black? > > > >>naw that was fuckin dope shit... I havnt seen as > playfull well thought out > >>good intentioned flame as that in... well ever. > Mad props. > >> > >>Still Dancin for SMILES =) (not quit on mikes > level yet) > >>Cliff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68723-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 21:43:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2475 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 21:43:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2465 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 21:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <6F12070CE235D511A3BA0002B3288A7B08A46D@STO02EXM04> From: "Smith, Tim" To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:44:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Thump Radio.com ? One of my favorite streaming sites it seems is feeling the crunch of inflated costs these days. They are now asking for contributuions to keep their site alive. Because of the amount of enjoyment I get from www.thumpradio.com , I contributed $50 bux. Not much, but at least it's something to help out. Anyways, I know a lot of streaming websites have been going under lately, especially the local to SF ones. It can't be good. Will the Space 550 parties survive all this? And in case anyone from thumpradio is on this list (I think there's at least One person..?) an idea: I would gladly pay $15 -20 for a high quality 2 cd mixes of artists like SUN Project or Tim Schuldt, or Infected Mushroom. The shows are already archived, they just need to be track split and thrown onto cds. It requires more time and energy than money, but I would love to not be forced to steal your bandwidth (and hence $$$) to hear the sets I love, and also given the chance to listen to them away from my computer... Anyways, best of luck to all ya'll, and to everyone else on this list I'm sure they would appreciate it greatly if you contributed a few bux. C'y'all tonite! -tim --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68724-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 21:55:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12724 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 21:55:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12712 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 21:55:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713215500.15402.qmail@web4402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Karma-Catt To: The List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Yea... Ascension review :o) Wow!! First the place was packed, at first it was almost hard to walk through the crowd! I was sad, cuz I missed Alex's set :o( But at least he and his woman stayed long enough to hang out with for a minute! *Alex, tell Thea I'm sorry I got lost from you guys!* One cool thing about going to Ascension fairly frequently is I know who is usually there and who's new. *Aww... that reminds me... Max, these two hot girls I was talking to asked me about you when you were up there on the decks with Fuckwork... they said you were cute;o)* Any hoot, it was cool to see everyone... wow.. really everyone seemed to be there (well, almost.) Aaron, it was cool to see ya again (and Osby, we've met already! You don't have to keep introducing us to each other;o) oh, Gregvp was there... we met again:o) ... oh damn, just hella people there... veronica, nicola, jeremy, christof, kenny, mariana, diane, meglove *see ya at Legend* oh oh and it was people's birthdays too... I met like at least two people who were celebrating their b-days.. michelle:o) damn, just lotsa fun people around! Oh, talked to Denise and got her newest release! It's bad ass!! Thanks! Her set along with Ice-9's was totally kicken!! It's funny, cuz I hear DJ names and then I know people, and I don't realize that the person I know is so-and-so DJ :o) Like I saw Ira up on the decks and some chicks asked me who he was... and it took me forever to realize that Ira is Ice-9... I had to do a flash back to the post to figure out what his DJ name was;o) Sorry, but I did finally tell them... as a matter of fact they were pretty cute chicks too;o) Yea, it was just a lota fun! Everyone was looking for an afterparty though, and no one wanted to risk it :o) Ahh..well ... another time I guess! That's about it... I'll be posting my review of Legend later this weekend!! See some of you there! Well, that is, if I can get a sitter for the kids :o) Oh, Baby just got his first tooth in, a few days ago!! Isn't that sweet! :o) Lotsa Love, Catt *meow* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68725-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 21:57:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15123 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 21:57:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15108 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 21:57:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010713215738.32416.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: E L To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] CloudFactory info line. Hey everyone... Does anyone know the cloudfactory info line? I am trying to find out some info for next weekend. Thanks a Bunch Girl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68726-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 22:04:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22208 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 22:04:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22194 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 22:04:13 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.208.129.68] From: "ravah luv" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:03:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 22:03:44.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEC791B0:01C10BE7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Kendra French? hey, anyone heard Kendra French spin? please reply back privately, what style of music and is she good (we're looking for good female djs) thanks! B _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68727-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 22:36:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49238 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 22:36:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49228 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 22:36:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [169.237.214.141] From: "Cheese Sandwich" To: purenrg@pacbell.net, ampedgirly@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:35:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 22:35:48.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[298A6E50:01C10BEC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] CoolWorld's Response to me about Eminem hey Brian, the people they were listing sounds kinda commercial(Limp Bizkit, DMX, and Eminem), and the negative effect about trance and techno..? I don't see what's so negative in the first place, actually I like trance and techno. CS From: IntenSmile Reply-To: purenrg@pacbell.net To: angela , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] CoolWorld's Response to me about Eminem Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:41:52 -0700 Well, I wrote to Coolworld telling them how disappointed I was that they were going to have them play and I received a very interesting response. I think you should all read it. Brian IntenSmile ******************************** Greetings Brian, We appreciate you taking the time to write to us and we value and respect your opinion. We too were on the fence about EM and D12 playing...Coolworld is all about positivity and the growth of our scene. Keep in mind, we pioneered dance festivals in America. After long thought we decided against having the group...then Em called our office and spoke to us direct about the scene and why D12 would want to play. Em is a character and the true person behind is an old school raver who grew up in the detroit underground performing at raves and parties. He mentioned that he wanted the group to be a different face and that he wanted to support the scene and he has been taken in the wrong lite. We felt, that this would open new doors for our scene to be viewed as not just a negative drug festival, but to be given a brighter lite because of the mixture of music. Everyone deserves a chance, and I remember many that hated the rave scene and trance/techno, but after experiencing the beauty of the music and scene it changed there life...hopefully this will have some impact on the group and on Em... We want you to be part of the event as 98% of the event is about dance culture and we hope to still have your support. If you have any suggestions please let us know and we hope you join us at an amazing event...also, remember 2 years ago, that Crystal Meth played with Limp Bizkit and DMX...they also wanted to play with Em and requested it... Much respect... Coolworld _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68728-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 22:39:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53123 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 22:39:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53112 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 22:39:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:40:59 -0600 From: TheNetworkGirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <01c501c10be4$83657d00$6401a8c0@esl.snfc21.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0NVBPbt3M1zNLyLq0N9kiw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Draka The Dragon: Notes --Boundary_(ID_0NVBPbt3M1zNLyLq0N9kiw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey there, It was amazing to see the bare floors at 1015 - there was room to dance and take in all the festivities. I think there should have been a lot more people there but maybe because it was a week night. But either way I had SO MUCH ROOM TO DANCE. Each room brought a lot of variants on the music but I was able to adapt and take it to the floor! It's to bad that someone perhaps working behind the 1015 bar took my friends - glow - poi she made. She lent it to a girl and then the bartender asked to check them out and then next thing you know they where gone/ the bartender was off. My friend was totally devastated and the club was not to compassionate. I think the security at the club was certainly stunned with all the going on's. There was a Draka: Circle ritual type deal going on and the security was hanging out on the sides with there arms crossed gapping. I thought it was the funniest thing to watch them. The Fire performances where great. I made the mistake of putting my jacket on the stage where they must of have been practicing on earlier cause there was this familiar smell--- Later I figured it out once I saw them on the stage - the sweet smell of Kerosene and the memories of past. There maybe a chance you saw me since the crowd was not overwhelming. I did not do much for the costuming - Simple pleasures- Black Leatherish pants tank top with dark flames and hair rubber banned in a crown type deal. Trees N Beats Trees N Beats TheNetworkGirl http://www.thenetworkgirl.com "Artist Welcome" --Boundary_(ID_0NVBPbt3M1zNLyLq0N9kiw)-- From sfraves-return-68729-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 22:41:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54714 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 22:41:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54704 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 22:41:36 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:41:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 22:41:06.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[E744D5C0:01C10BEC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] promoter PR and contact practices (was: July 27th the Unity...) in the relatively limited amount of time i've been on this list, i've already noticed that among the many folks who participate in the list who also promote and/or work on various EDM nights and events, there appears to be a small group of "promoters" who: 1. believe that they have the absolute right to dictate modes of behavior, dress, substance intake, and other matters which are appropriately decided by personal, informed choice, rather than by high-school-style brow-beating and bullying behavior 2. repeatedly impose their egotistical and self-contradictory rants on the list in attempts to evade the issues their business practices and personal conduct raise and 3. fail to understand that if they present themselves, and their events, in a way which is insulting, hostile, and contemptuous of their potential customer base, informed and intelligent consumers will refuse to patronize those who condescendingly patronize us. this is your wake-up call. people have been dancing for thousands of years without you. and we are continuing to dance without you and avoiding your events, since the utter lack of respect you show to us disinclines us to give you our hard-earned dollars to feed your egos, arrogance, and greed. even if you're targeting underage people for your events, they deserve to be treated with AT LEAST the same respect you seem to expect, while apparently doing nothing to merit that respect other than taking our money...not told what clothing they can wear or kicked by a promoter's goons if they dare to sit down on the floor to rest. people, we deserve better than that! and it's way past time that certain promoters started to realize that. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68730-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 22:44:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58623 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 22:44:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58602 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 22:44:31 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.177.134.248] From: "hoshi *" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:44:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 22:44:01.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FA40AF0:01C10BED] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] track lyrics does anyone know the lyrics to Olive's Outlaw song on the CD, Extra Virgin. thanx ^_^ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68731-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 22:46:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61258 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 22:46:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61244 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 22:46:52 -0000 Message-ID: <01c901c10bed$a33f16a0$1d3583d1@litter> From: "Jeff Younker" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:46:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] F o C u S tickets I'm in need of two tickets for focus. Anyone have a pair for sale? - Jeff "Huh?" Younker - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68732-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 22:47:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62820 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 22:47:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62803 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 22:47:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:43:04 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List , F-8 List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B4F7978.7FED6DBF@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] FUCHNO Friday the 13th Ritual - Tonight!!! bsp Anyone sporting their FUCHNO T-shirts OR with presale ticket to [Happy Kids LEGEND party] OR [AREA 51 Massive] can get in for only $10 all night long. In accordance with Friday The 13th... FUTURE invites you to something VERY different... 5 hours of non-stop musical insanity with DJ MODA!!!! Tonight will be recorded live for MODA's upcoming CD Release and he will be spinning trax which you will never hear again. It's Freaky Friday... so Expect something different... FUCHNO Style!!! PS> FUCHNO T-shirts will be available for purchase for only $10!!! See you tonight @ 375 1st St. @ Harrison St. Downtown SF in the Maritime Basement... 18+ $10 B4 10PM / $15 After 9pm-2am. 415-281-0866 I'll be working at the front door... see you tonight :) Vlad --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68733-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 22:50:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67544 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 22:50:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67533 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 22:50:32 -0000 From: gregvp@sprynet.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:50:27 -0400 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: karmacatt@yahoo.com Sender: gregvp@sprynet.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 64.139.41.130 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Yea... Ascension review :o) Regarding my fun dancing time at Ascension (and Karma's review), It was great to see ya again, Karma, and I especially appreciate the candy bracelet. It's beautiful and it glows in the dark, with little flecks of silver. Double whoo-hoo! Kidz, if you see me and you have spare candy, I collect it. I don't know how to make the stuff, guess it's a fun arts and crafts kind of thing. I like to get beads everywhere I go, because I love jewelry, of all kinds. Guess before long i'll have an armful of bracelets. Yeah, I like the way they feel when you throw your arms up in the air and jump up and down. Ouch! I'm feeling the pain today from jumping. Ascension was so moving, man am I glad I got there early enough to dance. It got really crowded. Alex was great, and Thea is so heatwarming to talk to. Hope to cook for them someday (I was a personal chef in a previous career). It's great fun at Ascension to be up front, near the DJs. You just have to make your own space (until it gets sardine-like, i.e. packed). My thanks to Denise (aka DJ D) for "The Orange Species" mix tape. Well, I have nothing new to add, everybody has already said the glowing reviews. Thanks to Dave, Ryan, Osby, and everyone else involved. greg -----Original Message----- From: Karma-Catt [mailto:karmacatt@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:55 PM To: The List Subject: [sfraves] Yea... Ascension review :o) Wow!! First the place was packed, at first it was almost hard to walk through the crowd! I was sad, cuz I missed Alex's set :o( But at least he and his woman stayed long enough to hang out with for a minute! *Alex, tell Thea I'm sorry I got lost from you guys!* One cool thing about going to Ascension fairly frequently is I know who is usually there and who's new. *Aww... that reminds me... Max, these two hot girls I was talking to asked me about you when you were up there on the decks with Fuckwork... they said you were cute;o)* Any hoot, it was cool to see everyone... wow.. really everyone seemed to be there (well, almost.) Aaron, it was cool to see ya again (and Osby, we've met already! You don't have to keep introducing us to each other;o) oh, Gregvp was there... we met again:o) ... oh damn, just hella people there... veronica, nicola, jeremy, christof, kenny, mariana, diane, meglove *see ya at Legend* oh oh and it was people's birthdays too... I met like at least two people who were celebrating their b-days.. michelle:o) damn, just lotsa fun people around! Oh, talked to Denise and got her newest release! It's bad ass!! Thanks! Her set along with Ice-9's was totally kicken!! It's funny, cuz I hear DJ names and then I know people, and I don't realize that the person I know is so-and-so DJ :o) Like I saw Ira up on the decks and some chicks asked me who he was... and it took me forever to realize that Ira is Ice-9... I had to do a flash back to the post to figure out what his DJ name was;o) Sorry, but I did finally tell them... as a matter of fact they were pretty cute chicks too;o) Yea, it was just a lota fun! Everyone was looking for an afterparty though, and no one wanted to risk it :o) Ahh..well ... another time I guess! That's about it... I'll be posting my review of Legend later this weekend!! See some of you there! Well, that is, if I can get a sitter for the kids :o) Oh, Baby just got his first tooth in, a few days ago!! Isn't that sweet! :o) Lotsa Love, Catt *meow* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68734-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 22:56:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75521 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 22:56:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75447 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 22:56:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:52:48 -0700 From: Morgan To: Morgan Message-id: <09d001c10bee$8a4e6500$2b47a840@lotek.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4vQ5xZ2zTVIdzYM2rc1wwg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] www.LotekRecords.com is now Live! (bsp) --Boundary_(ID_4vQ5xZ2zTVIdzYM2rc1wwg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT July 13th, 2001 Lotek Records, "America's First HardNRG Label" www.lotekrecords.com After a long wait, the Lotek website has finally launched! This is where you can expect updates on current projects as well as audio clips of previously released material. You can also subscribe to the Lotek mailing list to keep on top of upcoming releases. ------------------------- Lotek Records is the first attempt at an American owned and operated UK Hard House and Nu-NRG label. Primed to represent the US in this new, innovative sound with initial releases by well known artists such as: Dynamic Intervention, Chris C, Superfast Oz of OD 404, DJ Kristian, and Madam Zu. The long term goal of Lotek Records is to provide an outlet for US based artists who are involved in producing UK Hard House and Nu-NRG. By releasing domestic material, we hope to help define the US version of hh-nu-nrg. Lotek Records is run out of San Francisco, California and is distributed Internationally by Alphamagic in the United Kingdom, and by Majestic in North America. Lotek Records PMB #96, 1388 Haight St. San Francisco, CA 94117 email: info@lotekrecords.com http://www.lotekrecords.com --Boundary_(ID_4vQ5xZ2zTVIdzYM2rc1wwg)-- From sfraves-return-68735-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 23:16:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90164 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 23:16:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90154 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 23:16:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.29] From: "Becca Plevin" To: gregvp@sprynet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: karmacatt@yahoo.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:16:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 23:16:02.0111 (UTC) FILETIME=[C87354F0:01C10BF1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Yea... Ascension review :o) ::Grin:: I gotta love reading all the awesome reviews of last night's Ascension.... What began as a hectic set up ended up pulling together and, from the sound of it, being a great night.... It's a good feeling. :-) Hopefully you noticed from Ryan's review that Ascension will be on a brief hiatus next week ONLY. The ACME crew is going to spend one night doing something outside of Ascension- maybe we will even get some sleep! ::gasp:: We will be back ont eh 26th, though, bringing Jeno to the East bay for a 3 hour set. Do you KNOW how long I have been waiting for this????? I would love to see a bunch of sfr people out here to see Jeno- I know that a lot of you are coming to Ascension, I just haven't met you yet! So come say hi to the crew, or just look for red headed Ryan so he can introduce all of us. :-P Anyway, I just wanted to say hi to everyone who was there that I didn't talk to, especially greg (I rarely see you out and about!). Hope to see a bunch of new faces on the 26th! Becca And for everyone who has been asking- yes, my midterm went well. Getting to bed early was definitely a good thing. Gotta love summer session.... :-/ >From: gregvp@sprynet.com >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >CC: karmacatt@yahoo.com >Subject: RE: [sfraves] Yea... Ascension review :o) >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:50:27 -0400 > >Regarding my fun dancing time at Ascension (and Karma's review), >It was great to see ya again, Karma, and I especially appreciate the candy >bracelet. It's beautiful and it glows in the dark, with little flecks of >silver. Double whoo-hoo! > >Kidz, if you see me and you have spare candy, I collect it. I don't know >how to make the stuff, guess it's a fun arts and crafts kind of thing. I >like to get beads everywhere I go, because I love jewelry, of all kinds. >Guess before long i'll have an armful of bracelets. Yeah, I like the way >they feel when you throw your arms up in the air and jump up and down. > >Ouch! I'm feeling the pain today from jumping. Ascension was so moving, man >am I glad I got there early enough to dance. It got really crowded. Alex >was great, and Thea is so heatwarming to talk to. Hope to cook for them >someday (I was a personal chef in a previous career). > >It's great fun at Ascension to be up front, near the DJs. You just have to >make your own space (until it gets sardine-like, i.e. packed). My thanks to >Denise (aka DJ D) for "The Orange Species" mix tape. > >Well, I have nothing new to add, everybody has already said the glowing >reviews. Thanks to Dave, Ryan, Osby, and everyone else involved. > >greg > >-----Original Message----- >From: Karma-Catt [mailto:karmacatt@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:55 PM >To: The List >Subject: [sfraves] Yea... Ascension review :o) > > >Wow!! First the place was packed, at first it was >almost hard to walk through the crowd! I was sad, cuz >I missed Alex's set :o( But at least he and his woman >stayed long enough to hang out with for a minute! >*Alex, tell Thea I'm sorry I got lost from you guys!* > >One cool thing about going to Ascension fairly >frequently is I know who is usually there and who's >new. *Aww... that reminds me... Max, these two hot >girls I was talking to asked me about you when you >were up there on the decks with Fuckwork... they said >you were cute;o)* Any hoot, it was cool to see >everyone... wow.. really everyone seemed to be there >(well, almost.) Aaron, it was cool to see ya again >(and Osby, we've met already! You don't have to keep >introducing us to each other;o) oh, Gregvp was >there... we met again:o) ... oh damn, just hella >people there... veronica, nicola, jeremy, christof, >kenny, mariana, diane, meglove *see ya at Legend* oh >oh and it was people's birthdays too... I met like at >least two people who were celebrating their b-days.. >michelle:o) damn, just lotsa fun people around! > >Oh, talked to Denise and got her newest release! It's >bad ass!! Thanks! Her set along with Ice-9's was >totally kicken!! It's funny, cuz I hear DJ names and >then I know people, and I don't realize that the >person I know is so-and-so DJ :o) Like I saw Ira up >on the decks and some chicks asked me who he was... >and it took me forever to realize that Ira is Ice-9... >I had to do a flash back to the post to figure out >what his DJ name was;o) Sorry, but I did finally tell >them... as a matter of fact they were pretty cute >chicks too;o) > >Yea, it was just a lota fun! Everyone was looking for >an afterparty though, and no one wanted to risk it :o) > Ahh..well ... another time I guess! > >That's about it... I'll be posting my review of Legend >later this weekend!! See some of you there! Well, >that is, if I can get a sitter for the kids :o) Oh, >Baby just got his first tooth in, a few days ago!! >Isn't that sweet! :o) > >Lotsa Love, > Catt *meow* > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68736-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 23:35:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3437 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 23:35:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3427 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 23:35:13 -0000 To: "F 8" , "sf raves" , "Jamie Murray" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:34:42 -0700 From: "Scott Michael Ananos" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: "joey kandykid" X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: darthnerd@lycos.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 64.171.12.29 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Watch out for drinking peanuts...My Ascension review. Addendum to your experience Jaime: Drunk peanut at 6:45am GOING TO WORK, STUMBLING AROUND THE HOUSE, but happy as hell. Sorry I missed out on the evening. At least I got to experience the aftermath. -Scottie II Hottie Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68737-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 13 23:39:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5381 invoked by uid 1104); 13 Jul 2001 23:39:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5371 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 23:39:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:38:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200107132338.QAA03478@mail16.bigmailbox.com> X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [63.201.57.44] From: "*madhvi *" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_995067513-2957-0" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Environmental Updates ------------=_995067513-2957-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary >--------------------------------------- >DENlines >Defend Environment Network (DEN) >Friday July 13, 2001 > >1. BATTLE OVER THE REFUGE: Scientists urge Congress to just say no >2. PLIGHT OF THE CARIBOU: Calves dying on arduous route >3. ENERGY DEBATE: Moderates abandoning Bush, looking for better way >4. DEFENDING WILD LAND: Funding sought for popular conservation programs >5. ROADLESS ROLLBACK: Make way for the bulldozers >6. EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS: Save wildlife with every charge you make >7. SAVING CRANES: Researchers wear costumes to bond with birds > > >1. BATTLE OVER THE REFUGE: Scientists urge Congress to just say no > >A key congressional committee is voting next week on the Bush >administration's proposal to open the Arctic National Wildlife >Refuge to oil drilling, and scientists went to Capitol Hill this >week to argue for protection of the world's greatest wildlife >preserve. Just back from a fact-finding mission to the refuge, >Defenders of Wildlife President Rodger Schlickeisen joined noted >Alaska wildlife biologists Kenneth Whitten and Jack Lentfer in >briefing members of Congress, their staff and the media on the >dangers of oil development in the refuge's now-pristine coastal >plain. Whitten said drilling could cause the population of >Porcupine caribous to decline by disrupting their spectacular >summer migration to the coastal plain. Lentfer said drilling >could disturb mother polar bears in their dens, causing them >to abandon their young cubs to die. > >Whitten said: "I'm here to urge you not to authorize oil and gas >leasing, so that future generations of caribou and people can >enjoy the coastal plain in its natural state." Lentfer added: >"Oil development doesn't justify >the risk it poses to polar bears and other wildlife. What's >needed is permanent protection for the coastal plain of the >Arctic National Wildlife Refuge." Testifying before the >House Natural Resources Committee, Interior Secretary Gale >Norton insisted that new technologies can permit oil drilling >without harm to the environment. But Schlickeisen >told reporters, "We're dealing with a mythology here that some >sort of huge oil industry bumble bee will hover over the Arctic >refuge, extract the oil, and then fly away without leaving a trace. That's >just the politicians talking the scientists and even the oil >companies make it clear that we're talking about a massive >industrial complex." > >Go to http://www.SaveArcticRefuge.org to learn what you can do. > >2. PLIGHT OF THE CARIBOU: Calves dying on arduous route > >It's one of North America's last great mammal migrations, and this >year, it's fraught with danger. Late winter snows prevented the >Porcupine caribou herd from making it to the safety of the Arctic >refuge's coastal plain before they calved. Instead, most of the >animals have been forced to calve along their arduous route. Early >estimates are that up to 15,000 of this year's calves will fall >victim to predators or die of starvation or fatigue. Scientists >warned the caribou could suffer the same fate if they were kept >off the coastal plain -- not by the weather but by oil development. >"It's one of the worst years we've ever seen in the 30 years we've >been looking at the herd in detail," caribou expert Whitten told >the Los Angeles Times. > >3. ENERGY DEBATE: Moderates abandoning Bush, looking for better way > >With polls showing most Americans against the White House's >handling of energy and environmental issues, more Republicans >abandoned the administration's positions this week. The Senate >joined the House this week in voting to ban new drilling in >national monuments. Seventy House Republicans already have voted >to ban drilling in the Great Lakes, and as the New York Times >reported this week, "Conservatives like Senator Peter G. >Fitzgerald of Illinois have found themselves making >anti-drilling statements that sound indistinguishable from >those of liberal Democrats." The White House, meanwhile, scaled >back its plans to drill in the Gulf of Mexico, but only under >heavy pressure from the president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb >Bush. The administration is still targeting vast tracts of >more public land for special-interest exploitation. And the >president put another oil lobbyist on the administration payroll. >Philip Cooney, the new chief of staff for the White House Council >on Environmental Quality, previously worked for the American >Petroleum Institute, the major trade association for Big Oil. >Senate Democrats are preparing an alternative to the Bush energy >plan. They say that unlike the drill-and-burn Bush plan, >theirs will emphasize energy efficiency and new technologies. >House Republicans are talking about increasing fuel efficiency >requirements for sport utility vehicles as part of an >energy package. > >4. DEFENDING WILD LAND: Funding sought for popular conservation >programs > >Conservation and farm groups are asking Congress to restore >funding for three popular agriculture conservation incentive >programs -- the Wetlands Reserve Program, the Farmland >Protection Program, and the Wildlife Habitat Incentives >Program. All three have been denied funding so far in the >federal budget process. "If these programs are eliminated, >it will be a crippling blow for real, >farmer-driven conservation work on farms across America," said >Mark Shaffer, senior vice president for programs at Defenders of >Wildlife. "These incentive-based, private-landowner conservation >programs are needed to protect wildlife, water quality and open >space." > >5. 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Founded in 1947, Defenders >is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization with more than 430,000 >members and supporters. > > Defenders of Wildlife > 1101 14th Street, NW, Suite 1400 > Washington, DC 20005 > http://www.defenders.org > http://www.kidsplanet.org > Copyright (c) 2001 by Defenders of Wildlife ------------------------------------------------------------ Everything starts with an E. http://www.bluelight.nu/ ------------=_995067513-2957-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------------=_995067513-2957-0-- From sfraves-return-68738-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 00:21:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32116 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 00:21:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32106 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 00:21:48 -0000 Message-ID: <054101c10bfa$6a2c4420$0101a8c0@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "Geri Dahl" , "Yasmin Fang" , Cc: References: <20010713193233.5458.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:17:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ABOUT MY POSTS > i have something to add, please :)...sometimes, people > will say nice things and act nice, but they are not > nice > at all... yeah I'm I pretty nice guy to other people. . . but other than that I am just such a dick. . . really. . . I know it's mean, but I get pleasure out of being so horribly horrible (but not to other people). . . yepp I'm badd : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68739-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 01:09:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63462 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 01:09:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63448 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 01:09:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:05:51 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) From: tayone To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [NRR] any web related job openings? Hello all, I am curious if any of you Dot-Comers work for a company that is currently hiring. Apparently finding a job isn't as easy these days as it used to be, so I have been forced to resort to this. Sorry to bug the list with my employment problems, but I am finding it rather hard to feed my self with out any money. I am looking for any type of web development work, I am qualified for everything from graphic design and illustration to UNIX server administration. (that rhymes! I'm a poet and I didn't even know it.) U/I design is my specialty. My resume is available online at: http://216.10.101.67 A million and one thanks in advance to anyone who helps me, -Taylor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68740-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 01:43:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87042 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 01:43:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87031 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 01:43:05 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [168.150.192.98] From: "DJ D" To: djd-announce@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:42:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 01:42:33.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[40B93060:01C10C06] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SOUND ASYLUM II - - - Friday, Aug. 24th, 2001 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! bsp Okay y'all...! We've got a date, we've got a venue, and we've got DJs! This equals Sound Asylum II!!! (aka, bad ass party you don't wanna miss!) Awwwwwwww yeeeeee-aahhh-uh! Here is the DJ line up that we've got for ya (some DJs still need to be confirmed): Thomas Trouble (tbc) Denise aka DJ D (darrr!) Tracer Joey Mazzola (tbc) Greg Sandler O'syrus Chade Tamim v. Hydro Supa DJ Era v. Squire Twink Paul the Fanman Kent This will be a 700 person, 2 room, 16+ event. I'm not sure what the presale ticket price will be just yet, but, just as we did last time, this will be PRESALE ONLY! Expected flyer release date will be 7/24 (at Area 51). Unfortunately, for those of you who want to help out, we've already got a more than suffiecient crew, so we won't be needing any volunteers. Hm. I think that's about it for now. For those of you who made it to SA last November, you know that this will be the place to be! And, for those of you who missed it last time, better not slack this time 'round!! Keep your eyes & ears open for more info, to come as the date draws near! Thanks & Much Love! Denise aka DJ D :) ------------------------------- --< Denise Rees >-- --< Denise aka DJ D >-- --< denise_djd@hotmail.com >-- --< http://www.djdenise.com >-- --< http://www.dj-d.com >-- ------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68741-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 03:14:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20514 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 03:14:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20504 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 03:14:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c10c13$4352db20$176e0c41@scrmnt1.ca.home.com> From: "Swikmo" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:15:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C10BD8.96C1A880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] mardi gra 2 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C10BD8.96C1A880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can some one please send me the info #.Thanx c ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C10BD8.96C1A880-- From sfraves-return-68742-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 04:10:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39565 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 04:10:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39555 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 04:10:47 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.215.163.105] From: "David Lundquist" To: thump_radio_bmcd@hotmail.com, simplyunderground@hotmail.com, whoosenation@hotmail.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:10:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 04:10:16.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[E341FC40:01C10C1A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? Have to agree with Brian Here.....Damn they were off the hook!!! >From: "Brian - THUMP Radio" >To: simplyunderground@hotmail.com, whoosenation@hotmail.com, >ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:34:53 -0700 > >all i gotta say is i KNOW where it is gonna be and everyone in the whole >city should be so stoked - it's gonna be ridamndiculous!!! > >greg and dutch are true to the old school of the sf dance scene. if you >want to see an intelligent mind blowing production, DO NOT MISS AREA 51. > >if you want "rave in a box" massives with terrible production by people who >haven't been throwing parties in sf for 12 years like greg and dutch, then >save your time and money for another faceless massive. > >wait to you see the venue! :) > >-brian > >PS - sun project will steal the show. trust me. > > >>From: "James Casper" >>To: whoosenation@hotmail.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org >>CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:33:14 -0700 >> >>All I gotta say is! >> >>you want dirty I think 85th and Baldwin was dirty! >>the first Area 51 I came out Looking like pigPen >>adn its was BAD ASS LOL >>but umm yea! >> >> >>word >> >>James *casper* >> >> >>>From: "larry melman" >>>To: ascend@ix.netcom.com, mike@cloudfactory.org >>>CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >>>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:08:16 -0700 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "Greg Sandler" >>>>Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" >>>>To: "Mike Migurski" >>>>CC: >>>>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >>>>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:51 -0700 >>>> >>>>HEY EVERYONE!!! we have a winner!!! NOT! >>>> >>>>Wouldn't that be great to throw a party in that old busted up shit hole >>>>of >>>>a >>>>venue? I always liked that place, but I still can't believe how >>>>absolutely >>>>DISGUSTING that place was! >>>> >>>>Ahhh the memories! >>>> >>>>Greg >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Mike Migurski" >>>>To: "Greg Sandler" >>>>Cc: >>>>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:53 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >>>> >>>> >>>> > The Acme!!! >>>> > >>>> > ... >>>> > >>>> > Did I win? >>>> > >>>> > >Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED AREA 51 VENUE >>>> > >information? >>>> > > >>>> > >Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA 51 X - File >>>> > >documents, which will release the Venue information... >>>> > > >>>> > >Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 is going to take >>>> > >place... I will give a free ticket to the first person that gets the >>>> > >right answer! >>>> > > >>>> > >Peace and love, >>>> > > >>>> > >Greg Sandler >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org >>>> > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski >>>> > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >>>> > >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >>>> > >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>Hmmmmmm, >>> >>>How about treasure island or perhaps one of the unused piers along the >>>east >>>side of sf? too many to number but maybe >>>where they just had the vans warped tour? >>> >>>Ian Koe >>>Closer productions >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68743-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 04:16:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42564 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 04:16:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42550 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 04:16:55 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.215.163.105] From: "David Lundquist" To: ascend@ix.netcom.com, bizboi@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:16:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 04:16:24.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEB0E980:01C10C1B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? I venture to say that the event is at the Civic Light auditaurium!!!! >From: "Greg Sandler" >Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" >To: "Ben R." >CC: , >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:01:01 -0700 > >You have got to be kidding!!! Field of Dreams is total history! plus this >AREA 51 event is IN SF! > >Peace, > >Greg >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ben R." >To: ; ; > >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:25 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > > > > Hmmm....Field of Dreams, Chico?! > > LOL...i hope not tho! > > > > > > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > > Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED > > > > AREA 51 VENUE information? > > > > > > > > Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA > > > > 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue > > > > information... > > > > > > > > Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 > > > > is going to take place... I will give a free ticket > > > > to the first person that gets the right answer! > > > > > > > > Peace and love, > > > > > > > > Greg Sandler > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68744-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 04:59:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64108 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 04:59:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64098 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 04:59:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.175.32.81] From: "Brian - THUMP Radio" To: tim.smith@springstreet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:59:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 04:59:09.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[B753C8A0:01C10C21] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Thump Radio.com ? tim, thanks brother - you truly rock. :) i'm literally flying out the door to 550 for the party tonight (it opens in 1 minute) so i'll reply more later but we're working hard on bringing you guys all the cds we can...great idea and we honestly appreciate all and any ideas people have about how we can improve our site, parties, radio show. we've built this for all of you, and us, and want it to be the best it can be! :) peace and thanks for all your support (and future support if you have the chance and means - www.thumpradio.com) -brian >From: "Smith, Tim" >To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" >Subject: [sfraves] Thump Radio.com ? >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:44:05 -0700 > >One of my favorite streaming sites it seems is feeling the crunch of >inflated costs these days. They are now asking for contributuions to keep >their site alive. Because of the amount of enjoyment I get from >www.thumpradio.com , I contributed $50 bux. Not much, but at least it's >something to help out. Anyways, I know a lot of streaming websites have >been >going under lately, especially the local to SF ones. It can't be good. Will >the Space 550 parties survive all this? > >And in case anyone from thumpradio is on this list (I think there's at >least >One person..?) an idea: I would gladly pay $15 -20 for a high quality 2 cd >mixes of artists like SUN Project or Tim Schuldt, or Infected Mushroom. The >shows are already archived, they just need to be track split and thrown >onto >cds. It requires more time and energy than money, but I would love to not >be >forced to steal your bandwidth (and hence $$$) to hear the sets I love, >and >also given the chance to listen to them away from my computer... > >Anyways, best of luck to all ya'll, and to everyone else on this list I'm >sure they would appreciate it greatly if you contributed a few bux. > >C'y'all tonite! > >-tim > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68745-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 05:00:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65545 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 05:00:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65535 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 05:00:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.175.32.81] From: "Brian - THUMP Radio" To: tim.smith@springstreet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:59:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 05:00:00.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[D618AD00:01C10C21] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Thump Radio.com ? tim, thanks brother - you truly rock. :) i'm literally flying out the door to 550 for the party tonight (it opens in 1 minute) so i'll reply more later but we're working hard on bringing you guys all the cds we can...great idea and we honestly appreciate all and any ideas people have about how we can improve our site, parties, radio show. we've built this for all of you, and us, and want it to be the best it can be! :) peace and thanks for all your support (and future support if you have the chance and means - www.thumpradio.com) -brian >From: "Smith, Tim" >To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" >Subject: [sfraves] Thump Radio.com ? >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:44:05 -0700 > >One of my favorite streaming sites it seems is feeling the crunch of >inflated costs these days. They are now asking for contributuions to keep >their site alive. Because of the amount of enjoyment I get from >www.thumpradio.com , I contributed $50 bux. Not much, but at least it's >something to help out. Anyways, I know a lot of streaming websites have >been >going under lately, especially the local to SF ones. It can't be good. Will >the Space 550 parties survive all this? > >And in case anyone from thumpradio is on this list (I think there's at >least >One person..?) an idea: I would gladly pay $15 -20 for a high quality 2 cd >mixes of artists like SUN Project or Tim Schuldt, or Infected Mushroom. The >shows are already archived, they just need to be track split and thrown >onto >cds. It requires more time and energy than money, but I would love to not >be >forced to steal your bandwidth (and hence $$$) to hear the sets I love, >and >also given the chance to listen to them away from my computer... > >Anyways, best of luck to all ya'll, and to everyone else on this list I'm >sure they would appreciate it greatly if you contributed a few bux. > >C'y'all tonite! > >-tim > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68746-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 06:01:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85622 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 06:01:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85609 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 06:01:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010714060147.39503.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: F 8 , sf raves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] for directions to focus call jamie at (510)823-4153. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68747-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 06:17:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90417 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 06:17:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90407 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 06:17:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.149.137.199] From: "Flash Gordon" To: "Jamie Murray" , "F 8" , "sf raves" References: <20010714060147.39503.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:18:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 06:16:32.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[86B619E0:01C10C2C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] for directions to focus This number appears to just be music and the info line is down. Does anyone have directions to focus? Please please please give me a call if you do. (510) 333 9140 Thanks in advance. Flash ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Murray" To: "F 8" ; "sf raves" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: [sfraves] for directions to focus > call jamie at (510)823-4153. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68748-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 06:21:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92535 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 06:21:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92525 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 06:21:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.149.137.199] From: "Flash Gordon" To: "Flash Gordon" , "Jamie Murray" , "F 8" , "sf raves" References: <20010714060147.39503.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:22:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 06:20:36.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[189DF030:01C10C2D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] for directions to focus Whoops, I was wrong, got her on the third try. See y'all there. Flash ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flash Gordon" To: "Jamie Murray" ; "F 8" ; "sf raves" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] for directions to focus > This number appears to just be music and the info line is down. Does anyone > have directions to focus? Please please please give me a call if you do. > (510) 333 9140 Thanks in advance. > > Flash > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie Murray" > To: "F 8" ; "sf raves" > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:01 PM > Subject: [sfraves] for directions to focus > > > > call jamie at (510)823-4153. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68749-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 06:51:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6943 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 06:51:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6933 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 06:51:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:47:55 -0700 From: Morgan To: DJ CHOCO , frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com Message-id: <004301c10c30$e991e220$2b47a840@lotek.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] FOCUS Directions! Voice Mail is Down... The Voice Mail for Focus is down... unscheduled down time... not a good thing. Anyhow, the promoters have asked me to send out directions... Please forward this to anyone who you know wants to go... -M ------------- directions....... from 880 south take the dixon landing road exit RIGHT at the first light LEFT at the first light RIGHT on Ranch Dr -this road will detour to the RIGHT, pass the temporary entrance to the 237 on-ramp and continue straight. -pass the silver water tower on your RIGHT, and it will be the first dirt road you can drive down on your RIGHT (second driveway) -take this dirt road (watch your speed, it can get a bit bumpy) until a crew member instructs you where to park. from 880 north get off on dixon landing and head back over the freeway LEFT when the road ends RIGHT on Ranch Dr -this road will detour to the RIGHT, pass the temporary entrance to the 237 on-ramp and continue straight. -pass the silver water tower on your RIGHT, and it will be the first dirt road you can drive down on your RIGHT (second driveway) -take this dirt road (watch your speed, it can get a bit bumpy) until a crew member instructs you where to park. from 237 take 880 north, and follow 880 north directions if you are still stumped, you want to get to the 880 and 237 interchange, and then follow the directions from above that fit you best....... the ranch drive is a stop light, there will be a ranch drive that is at a stop sign before the one that is a stop light, it does a U and hit the road twice, turn right at the second one, the first you cant turn right, but people have already got a bit confused....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ CHOCO" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: F8: !!!TONIGHT!!!...<>... FRIDAY JULY 13th (bSp) > OK GUYS>>>>TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT>>>>BRING UR BEST VIBES AND SMILES>>>WE WILL > BE HaVING TUNES FROM THE LATEST AND UR FAVORITE TRACKS FROM > TRANCE-NRG-JUNGLE-PSY TRANCE-HAPPYCORE-HARD HOUSE-and many more!!! CHECK THE > INFO BELOW...VENUE INFO WILL BE POSTED IN THE INFO LINE AT > (408) 514.2600. ext.6583 (call during the day of the event)TICKETS ARE STILL > ON SALE AT SOLID GROOVES AND SKILLS... > >>>ILL SEE U THERE. =) YAY IM SO EXCITED...hehe *^_^ > > <<>> > dj_choco@hotmail.com > "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to make > your own reality." > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > We are geared to extend up till 8am, with that, we have additions to our > lineup..... > > all this and still only $15 presales, and still only $20 at the door, all > this for three rooms of sound, all night long with no hastles..... > > > > Coming July 13th 2001....... > > Mindgames productions with a helping hand from NeuroScience Creations > presents...... > > FOCUS > > > > > MORGAN > TELENE > MICHAEL LIU > ALIAS > JUSTIN HALE > BAZOOKA JOE > KEITH EDWARDS > LEON COOK > CELSIUS > BLAIR > RAYGIN > BROTHA REESE > SYMPLEX > PSYKORAL > TYME > PATRIK > CRAZ-E ON-E > TRANCEPIMP > CHOCO > EBER > ENRINCO F. > EINSTEIN > ELEKTROLYTE > vs. > NEUROPSYNTIST > > JUST ADDED > Dj TRONIC > ClOUDSKIPPER > > > > we will be converting a prime piece of centrally located bay area real > estate into a three room musical playground, with unlimited outdoor smoking > space, and a handful of stimulating chill rooms. This is a never been used > before, and never will be used again venue, so missing this event will leave > you wondering what you missed. With NeuroScience Creations bringing all the > sound in their arsenal, all three rooms will be bumpin. Together with > multiple Lasers and a handful of mind blowing visuals, your senses will be > stimulated. We are limiting the capacity to ensure enough space to sit, lay, > and still have plenty of room to dance, even with the assortment of chairs > and couches lining the walls in all three rooms. We are going all out to > ensure that we use this opportunity to its fullest, and to bring you the > best party we can while we are at it, and hopefully one of the best parties > you will experience ever. So please come out and help us make this a night > to remember, we promise we wont let you down........ > > this venue guaranteed not to relocate last minute, setup is already in > progress.... > > multiple restrooms with running water and stocked toilet paper...... > > reasonably priced water, red bull, and candy..... > > plenty of free secured and patrolled parking provided.... > > multiple free giveaway's (CD's and tape's)....... > > 1,500 person capacity...... > > $15 pre-sales at Skills in Berkley and Solid Grooves in Santa Clara, $20 at > the venue..... > > questions, comments or concerns 1(408)514-2600 x6583 (location information > event evening only) > > or visit the link on our website > > www.nscreation.com > > > > > > > > > another neuroscience creation > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68750-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 06:54:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8598 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 06:54:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8588 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 06:54:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010714065358.37713.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:53:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Desteena E." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- Is there a street name? If anyone is interested in knowing the negitive side affects here are some that i found: *nausea and vomiting *muscle tension *irritating body load *muscle tremors and/or convulsions *memory loss (at higher doses) *delerium (at higher doses) (potentially dangerous) *violent behavior (at higher doses) *death the positive side affects are less than that...I know someone that recently OD'ed and died on that drug...In which that person was a extreamly non violent person and i was told that he was *extreamly* violent and screaming a lot when it was affecting him...PLease watch out for yourselves and others..It's not worth the pain to others when something goes wrong Always, Desteena --- matt newell wrote: > > 2ct7 is alive and well in the bay area. trust me :) > to my knowledge, there is > not street name yet ... > > that aside, the main fact that people are not taking > to heart is that these > deaths have been linked to the snorting of the drug > (most of the time in OD > amounts), not just by consuming the drug did they > OD. see the differnce there? > > anything that goes up your nose and is as corrosive > as (insert drug here) will > have adverse affects, just like the nausea each of > us gets when we ingest other > substances (e/g/etc). > > 2ct7 is a /serious/ hallucinagen - nothing more, > nothing less. take it seriously > and respect its possible outcomes and you'll be the > wiser for it. > > personal note :: i had a friend just last week snort > some and had a really bad > trip. he snorted what he thought was a line of e, > but was instead 2ct7. snorting > of this stuff is bad, mmmmkay? > > i will stop short of allowing people to say "bunk > drugs" are what is causing > this. 2ct7 is an EXPERIMENTAL CHEMICAL. if you don't > treat substances with > respect, you will die or end up with some > consequences you didn't want. just > like taking 12 e's, ecstasy can become dangerous in > the wrong usage/dosage -- > 2ct7 used in proper dosages will not produce an > overdose. make sense? > > > know your drugs. know your dealer. know yourself. > > > m. > > > :: -----Original Message----- > :: From: JonnyR@aol.com [mailto:JonnyR@aol.com] > :: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:41 AM > :: To: aK@groovefactorypro.com; > sfraves@hyperreal.org > :: Cc: scr@socal-raves.org > :: Subject: Re: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- > Is there a street name? > :: > :: > :: Hi, this stuff sounds really scary, and there' s > no way in hell I would try > :: it. Is there a street name for it? I want to > know what to tell my > :: friends to > :: stay totally away from. Has it been seen around > here? > :: It's bad enough that there are people who sell > bunk drugs that do > :: nothing ... > :: It's worse when they sell something like DXM > that's legal but can hurt you > :: badly ... But to sell something that is really, > really dangerous ... > :: string' > :: em up by the balls! > :: > :: On top of that, having authorities attribute > these problems to ecstasy -- > :: even "adulterated ecstasy"-- makes our whole > scene look really bad in a very > :: undeserved way. Those among us who use e (and > that's NOT all of > :: us, to the > :: Authorities who are listening in) usually have > some sense about partying > :: responsibly and know their limits. Some people > who overdo it have lots of > :: other problems. But something like 2-CT-7 sounds > so dangerous that people > :: could get over their heads without knowing it, > with very tragic results. > :: It's sad. > :: Take care, everyone. > :: > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== "Think of a circle with a line split in it -- at one end is insanity; you go around the circle to sanity, and on the other end of the circle close to insanity, but not insanity -- is unsanity." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68751-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 07:17:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15363 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 07:17:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15352 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 07:17:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.136] From: "innocentchild" To: "Brian - THUMP Radio" , , References: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:16:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 07:17:00.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[F973E7C0:01C10C34] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Thump Radio.com ? How about a request page for cd's - I'd pay $30 for the entire Hybrid set at Mission Rock. Or hell... if you just want to open up a members ftp site where we can pay to download something like that... So what would it take for me to get a copy of that set??? ::waiting patiently:: ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian - THUMP Radio" To: ; Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Thump Radio.com ? > tim, > > thanks brother - you truly rock. :) > > i'm literally flying out the door to 550 for the party tonight (it opens in > 1 minute) so i'll reply more later but we're working hard on bringing you > guys all the cds we can...great idea and we honestly appreciate all and any > ideas people have about how we can improve our site, parties, radio show. > we've built this for all of you, and us, and want it to be the best it can > be! :) > > peace and thanks for all your support (and future support if you have the > chance and means - www.thumpradio.com) > > -brian > > > >From: "Smith, Tim" > >To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" > >Subject: [sfraves] Thump Radio.com ? > >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:44:05 -0700 > > > >One of my favorite streaming sites it seems is feeling the crunch of > >inflated costs these days. They are now asking for contributuions to keep > >their site alive. Because of the amount of enjoyment I get from > >www.thumpradio.com , I contributed $50 bux. Not much, but at least it's > >something to help out. Anyways, I know a lot of streaming websites have > >been > >going under lately, especially the local to SF ones. It can't be good. Will > >the Space 550 parties survive all this? > > > >And in case anyone from thumpradio is on this list (I think there's at > >least > >One person..?) an idea: I would gladly pay $15 -20 for a high quality 2 cd > >mixes of artists like SUN Project or Tim Schuldt, or Infected Mushroom. The > >shows are already archived, they just need to be track split and thrown > >onto > >cds. It requires more time and energy than money, but I would love to not > >be > >forced to steal your bandwidth (and hence $$$) to hear the sets I love, > >and > >also given the chance to listen to them away from my computer... > > > >Anyways, best of luck to all ya'll, and to everyone else on this list I'm > >sure they would appreciate it greatly if you contributed a few bux. > > > >C'y'all tonite! > > > >-tim > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68752-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 08:38:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29631 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 08:38:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29621 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 08:38:14 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:38:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.9] Message-Id: <20010714083807.F104E36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] in anticipation sometimes we have moments that evoke a spiritual growth between others, that seem earth shattering. sometimes we have moments that evoke a lull in our lives (sometimes shattering). through confusion and disarry that these moments produce--neither good or bad--we can find ourselves at the mercy of transition. never compromising, these transitions are--pushing onward like a continual changing backdrop on a flower trying to grow. cold winters, scorching suns make the growing flower respond. But sometimes we get ahead of ourselves...sometimes transitions get ahead of us. In over-correction, or in under-correction we end up failing miserably in positioning ourselves. but in that process we find ourselves facing a direction we had not yet experienced--constantly moving 'forward'-- preoccupied with what was expected, limits movement. it’s then we see possibilities of new directions, new mobilities, and new answers to old questions. Old answers, sometimes, cannot answer new questions. == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68753-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 09:27:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37528 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 09:27:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37518 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 09:27:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.177.134.248] From: "hoshi *" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:26:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 09:26:44.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[18EEA970:01C10C47] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- Is there a street name? snorting is dirty :) >From: "Desteena E." >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- Is there a street name? >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:53:58 -0700 (PDT) > >If anyone is interested in knowing the negitive side >affects here are some that i found: >*nausea and vomiting >*muscle tension >*irritating body load >*muscle tremors and/or convulsions >*memory loss (at higher doses) >*delerium (at higher doses) (potentially dangerous) >*violent behavior (at higher doses) >*death >the positive side affects are less than that...I know >someone that recently OD'ed and died on that drug...In >which that person was a extreamly non violent person >and i was told that he was *extreamly* violent and >screaming a lot when it was affecting him...PLease >watch out for yourselves and others..It's not worth >the pain to others when something goes wrong >Always, >Desteena >--- matt newell wrote: > > > > 2ct7 is alive and well in the bay area. trust me :) > > to my knowledge, there is > > not street name yet ... > > > > that aside, the main fact that people are not taking > > to heart is that these > > deaths have been linked to the snorting of the drug > > (most of the time in OD > > amounts), not just by consuming the drug did they > > OD. see the differnce there? > > > > anything that goes up your nose and is as corrosive > > as (insert drug here) will > > have adverse affects, just like the nausea each of > > us gets when we ingest other > > substances (e/g/etc). > > > > 2ct7 is a /serious/ hallucinagen - nothing more, > > nothing less. take it seriously > > and respect its possible outcomes and you'll be the > > wiser for it. > > > > personal note :: i had a friend just last week snort > > some and had a really bad > > trip. he snorted what he thought was a line of e, > > but was instead 2ct7. snorting > > of this stuff is bad, mmmmkay? > > > > i will stop short of allowing people to say "bunk > > drugs" are what is causing > > this. 2ct7 is an EXPERIMENTAL CHEMICAL. if you don't > > treat substances with > > respect, you will die or end up with some > > consequences you didn't want. just > > like taking 12 e's, ecstasy can become dangerous in > > the wrong usage/dosage -- > > 2ct7 used in proper dosages will not produce an > > overdose. make sense? > > > > > > know your drugs. know your dealer. know yourself. > > > > > > m. > > > > > > :: -----Original Message----- > > :: From: JonnyR@aol.com [mailto:JonnyR@aol.com] > > :: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:41 AM > > :: To: aK@groovefactorypro.com; > > sfraves@hyperreal.org > > :: Cc: scr@socal-raves.org > > :: Subject: Re: [sfraves] probable 2-CT-7 deaths -- > > Is there a street name? > > :: > > :: > > :: Hi, this stuff sounds really scary, and there' s > > no way in hell I would try > > :: it. Is there a street name for it? I want to > > know what to tell my > > :: friends to > > :: stay totally away from. Has it been seen around > > here? > > :: It's bad enough that there are people who sell > > bunk drugs that do > > :: nothing ... > > :: It's worse when they sell something like DXM > > that's legal but can hurt you > > :: badly ... But to sell something that is really, > > really dangerous ... > > :: string' > > :: em up by the balls! > > :: > > :: On top of that, having authorities attribute > > these problems to ecstasy -- > > :: even "adulterated ecstasy"-- makes our whole > > scene look really bad in a very > > :: undeserved way. Those among us who use e (and > > that's NOT all of > > :: us, to the > > :: Authorities who are listening in) usually have > > some sense about partying > > :: responsibly and know their limits. Some people > > who overdo it have lots of > > :: other problems. But something like 2-CT-7 sounds > > so dangerous that people > > :: could get over their heads without knowing it, > > with very tragic results. > > :: It's sad. > > :: Take care, everyone. > > :: > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >===== >"Think of a circle with a line split in it -- at one end is insanity; you >go around the circle to sanity, and on the other end of the circle close to >insanity, but not insanity -- is unsanity." > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68754-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 09:42:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64591 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 09:42:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64576 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 09:42:18 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: julie ranoa To: "David Lundquist" , ascend@ix.netcom.com, bizboi@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: HuLaGirLJuLiE@hawaiicity.com X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.102.162] Message-Id: <20010714094211.CC9C336F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? is it going to be at Pier 39???? **yipppee if so**!! hula girl =) --- "David Lundquist" > wrote: >I venture to say that the event is at the Civic Light auditaurium!!!! > > >>From: "Greg Sandler" >>Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" >>To: "Ben R." >>CC: , >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >>Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:01:01 -0700 >> >>You have got to be kidding!!! Field of Dreams is total history! plus this >>AREA 51 event is IN SF! >> >>Peace, >> >>Greg >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ben R." >>To: ; ; >> >>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:25 PM >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >> >> >> > Hmmm....Field of Dreams, Chico?! >> > LOL...i hope not tho! >> > >> > >> > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: >> > > > Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED >> > > > AREA 51 VENUE information? >> > > > >> > > > Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA >> > > > 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue >> > > > information... >> > > > >> > > > Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 >> > > > is going to take place... I will give a free ticket >> > > > to the first person that gets the right answer! >> > > > >> > > > Peace and love, >> > > > >> > > > Greg Sandler >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >__________________________________________________ >> > >Do You Yahoo!? >> > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> > > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _____________________________________________________________ Get your FREE 20mb Hawaii website, Free Hawaii email address, Hawaii weather & news, free contest, discount Hawaiian Jewelry, gifts, car rentals, hotels and airline tickets...http://www.hawaiicity.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68755-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 10:26:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76043 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 10:26:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76033 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 10:26:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010714102628.16883.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 03:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Imperial Dub - Review and Thanks Hey all... My second Bay area event was the Imperial Dub party at Club Six - in fact I just got home. I just wanted to say that I had a great time and really enjoyed the music (read on...) Many thanks to Knowmad for recommending the party to me, and many thanks to the ubiquitous Doug Fraser for a good chat... to Madhvi for the last minute burst of energy that shook me all over, and to Liz M, the stunning DJ who entertained me with her charm... (read on...) SPECIAL THANKS TO THE FUCKER WHO STOLE MY BLUE JACKET WITH MY FAVORITE SHADES IN IT WITH ABOUT 5 MINUTES TO GO AT THE PARTY... I put it down for the last dance, and someone decided it was a good score I guess. The sad part is that the jacket was relatively cheap, and huge (I'm 6'6"), and the shades inside were $10.00. Frankly, I expected more from people at a party that had such a nice vibe. The shitter is I had just gotten it out of the coat check. If you read this far, thank you. I feel better now. Hope everyone had fun - I know I did. -Dreg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68756-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 12:56:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10378 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 12:56:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10357 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 12:56:00 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 05:56:23 -0700 From: Dan Carr To: sfraves , sac raves , bay area happycore , f8 Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP :: **TONITE** Happy Kids presents: THE LEGEND CONTINUES THIS IS IT GUYS! TONITE IS THE NIGHT! Happy Kids is bringing you a party the way its supposed to be! We're going to be rocking you till 7am tomorrow morning! bring a high vibe and a whole lotta smiles to this one! ***************************************** july 14, 2001 Happy Kids presents in OAKLAND: THE LEGEND CONTINUES... This is a FULLY PERMITTED PARTY that where the music won't stop until 7 AM!! That's right! you're not getting out of this party until the sun is high in the sky! In The Palace of Pixies: ***AMOKALIPSE NOW 2001 WORLD TOUR*** featuring: CHRIS C and MADAM ZU These UK-Hardhouse/NRG superstar's are going be performing at LEGEND in the first ever joint bay area apperance! Dyloot (skills) Thee-o (Biohazzard-LA) DJ D (www.dj-d.com) Elias Smith (Happy Kids) Ian Vogel (Happy Kids) Impulse (Unity/Happy Kids) In the Sea Of Sorcery: STEVEN SACKS (deephouse.com/Atlanta, GA) Steven sacks is Atlanta's very own house superstar! When he's banging away at the decks, there's no way you can resist stompin' your feet! Spyhunter (spyhunter.com/liquidmercury/Hawaii's biggest trance/breaks star) Koris (Liquidmercury/Switzerland's hottest trance techno guru) Happy Kid Marty (Happy kids/Bay Area's funkiest house DJ) Fossil feat MC^2 (Illuminous Illuminati/Seattle's premiere Drum'n'bass/Jungle DJ/MC Combo) Greg Sandler (Harmony) Braq (Happy Kids) Mariposa (Happy Kids) DJ Chris (Happy Kids) In the Kingdom of Kandy: PAULINA TAYLOR (H3/Hypersound) LA's very own happycore god is going to grace our party with more energy than you can handle! Spree (Sonicfury.net/Minneapolis,MN) Anthony Mad (Subsonic Underground/SAC) Cloudskipper (Sonicfury.net/SF) Valerie Sparks (Liquidvinyldjs.com/Supernova Recordings/Sac) Tronic *official record release for Resistance Records* Climaxxx (twenty1.crew.com/SF) Kid Cosmo (Happy Kids) limited presales available at skills, f8, harmonics, subsonic underground, and solid grooves! Happy Kids Info: 415.262.0210 510.873.0210 We invite all responsible party goers to come and bring a high vibe! please respect each other and remember that you guys are the people who truly make our parties spectacular! see ya there smilin/connection through affection --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68757-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 14:12:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30893 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 14:12:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30883 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 14:12:06 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: , , Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:09:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C10C33.F522F9A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 14:11:39.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[E694C590:01C10C6E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] << * Focus Pictures Are Up * >> ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C10C33.F522F9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too tired to post a review right now, but i thought i would let you all = know that my half of the pictures are up. I only took 82 Pictures last = night. I'm not quite sure how many Dato took, but he'll posrt his after = he wakes up. Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C10C33.F522F9A0-- From sfraves-return-68758-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 16:32:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82534 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 16:32:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82523 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 16:32:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: Deepfog cc: SFRavEs Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Well said Tony, I strongly believe that if you're going to throw a BSP up on SFR, you're going to get the slack for anything that looks shady on that BSP. Maybe Nick, next time you should have Kevin promote his own party on SFR. That way you won't have to have anything to do with it. Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Deepfog wrote: > I think promoters and anyone providing information about an event > should be held to a higher standard. This has always been a > component of the SFRaves discussion community. I say let the > discussions continue. > > Additionally, this discussion should be a reminder to all promoters > that this is a public discussion forum, not simply a shut up and let > me promote my party and don't say anything negative about it forum. > > >Lara...I mean no disrespect, I would just like to point something out. I > >seem to remember the BSP for Infinity or it might have been some post > >promoting Infinity, but Nick announced that Infinity would be the last UVT > >party...meaning, he was part of UVT for a long time you're right, but as of > >December 17 (the day after Infinity) he was no longer a member of UVT. I > >know SFR is archived, and if you'd like to look it up, be my guest. I just > >hope my memory serves me well. =) Anyway...this post is a little drawn out > >don't you think? > > > >~*Emily*~ > >www.core-nrg.net > >Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Lara" > >To: "innocentchild" > >Cc: "Emily Edwards" ; "SFR" > >Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:23 AM > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again > >to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > > > > And an addition to this: > > > Nick if you haven't been the key part of UVT for awhile, why is this just > > > NOW coming up on this list? Why wasn't it brought up before you started > > > taking heat for this issue? I don't know about you, but if I was the key > > > person of a promoting group and stepped down after a long time, I would > > > have announced it just to clarify. If you don't like the actions of UVT > > > you should not be obliged to be a part of them anymore. > > > Lara > > > > > > ---- > > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > > two." > > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Lara wrote: > > > > > > > word to ryan! this is absolutely true. > > > > Nick has been promoting UVT as *his* parties for as long as I've known > >him > > > > to be on the list - for him to say that this is not his party is > > > > ridiculous, and another pure example of his conflicting truths. To say > > > > you're UVT for all this time, and someone comes to you with a difficult > > > > issue about your party policies, and you back down and say "this isn't > > > > me" is bullshit. Either pull your name from this party if you don't want > > > > anything to do with it (and all your involvement) and it's truly not > > > > yours, or own up to it and take the heat for making a stupid decision. > > > > Vlad and many other promoters have the balls to stand up to their > > > > parties and take responsibility of answering public opinion, but Nick > >just > > > > throws the blame on somebody else, which is SO much easier than > > > > being logical, right? Very typical behavior from him. Once > > > > again, I feel sick. > > > > Lara > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > > > two." > > > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, innocentchild wrote: > > > > > > > > > Given that Nick always represents himself as part of UVT and Core:NRG > >he's > > > > > responsible for the image that he portrays of himself and those > >groups. > > > > > Here's a parallel for you... If you work at something like a > >Blockbuster > > > > > Video that has a uniform you're representing the company and it's > >image. > > > > > Should you go out to get some food and talk trash at the place people > >see > > > > > you as someone from Blockbuster and the image of that store is changed > >in > > > > > those people's minds. Same thing goes here with SFR. When you add > >these > > > > > affiliations to your signiture file people associate you with a > >certain > > > > > group of people and the image of that group. I see Nick I think UVT. I > >see > > > > > Jeremey Bispo I think ASR. I see Shane I think Epiphany and so on. If > >a > > > > > member of your group posts info to a major list like this and has the > >groups > > > > > name associated with that individual people on the list will see that > >member > > > > > as a represntitive. That's what's happening with Nick right now. He > >posted > > > > > the info for the UVT party while previously associating himself as a > >big > > > > > part of UVT. To say that he has nothing to do with this and don't yell > >at me > > > > > is sad. Joining a group to throw parties for whatever reason means > >you're > > > > > committing to that group and act as a representitive of that group > > > > > regardless of your level of involvement. If Nick is a part of UVT like > >he's > > > > > always said then he should stand up for what his group means to him > >and not > > > > > shy away from the email that's being sent right now. If this > >kevikev420 guy > > > > > is the one in charge or has the info on this all, then Nick should be > >a > > > > > proxy to SFR unless that individual is on the list. SFR sees Nick as > >UVT. > > > > > He's the voice of UVT on SFR. He didn't make the rules for this party > >nor is > > > > > he heading up this party, but he needs to relay the information from > >the > > > > > person who *is* so that all this missinformation can be alleviated. To > > > > > continue that Blockbuster analogy Nick can always take the annoyed > >customer > > > > > and hand them off to the manager and say *not my problem* which is > >what > > > > > seems to have occured. Hooray for retail parties! > > > > > > > > > > ryan.bailey > > > > > sninesix.design > > > > > www.viberation.com/ryan > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Emily Edwards" > > > > > To: "SFR" > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once > >again > > > > > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick > >pisses > > > > > > some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right > >now. > > > > > THE > > > > > > PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn > > > > > everyone...I > > > > > > know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and > >it > > > > > > isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the > > > > > safety > > > > > > of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be > >treated > > > > > > like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated > >with > > > > > this > > > > > > party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, > >please have > > > > > a > > > > > > good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated > >food, > > > > > > clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's > >lost > > > > > more > > > > > > than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. > >It's > > > > > > hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever > >aspect of > > > > > > your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One > >last > > > > > > comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't > >even > > > > > > comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring > >it up > > > > > > again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a > > > > > stronger > > > > > > attack...This is lame...let it die. > > > > > > > > > > > > Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is > >trying > > > > > to > > > > > > make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*Emily*~ > > > > > > www.core-nrg.net > > > > > > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68759-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 16:36:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87504 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 16:36:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87492 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 16:36:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:36:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Trey Anastasio tonite! :)/TOOL TIX ON SALE WOOHOO Hey everyone, the hippie in me is going off to the Trey Anastasio (Phish) show tonight, I don't know if any of you out there are going to be there, but thought I'd mention it. Anyone else going to be there?? Either way it'll be a great show. Also... To those who know... Don't forget TOOL tickets go on sale this weekend... f--- yeahhhh!!! I'm going to try to make it to both shows, how could I not? They were in Canada recently and I heard good feedback about the show. It'll be intense. Let me know if any of you plan on going, it would be cool to meet up out of the "party" element.. Love, Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68760-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 18:37:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31501 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 18:37:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31487 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 18:37:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.81.76.141] From: "Sean M" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:37:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 18:37:29.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[0925A640:01C10C94] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP :: **TONITE** Happy Kids presents: THE LEGEND CONTINUES anybody know if happy kids will care if i dont have id? and will they have door tix? thanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68761-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 19:07:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46848 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 19:07:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46833 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 19:06:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.3.206.231] From: "Clifford Brown" To: "Lara" , References: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:04:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 19:06:31.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[17A2EBC0:01C10C98] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Trey Anastasio tonite! :)/TOOL TIX ON SALE WOOHOO I dont have tix but i think im gunna go kick it in the parking lot cause. Last time i wet to a Phish show i actually never made it into the show... THE PARKING LOT WAS JUST SOO MUCH DAMNED FUN. hung out trading pipes and but and things of that sort... So mabey ill see you there. I might be selling nummy grilled chees sandwitches after the show. Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Lara To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Trey Anastasio tonite! :)/TOOL TIX ON SALE WOOHOO > Hey everyone, > the hippie in me is going off to the Trey Anastasio (Phish) show tonight, > I don't know if any of you out there are going to be there, but thought > I'd mention it. Anyone else going to be there?? Either way it'll be a > great show. > > Also... To those who know... Don't forget TOOL tickets go on sale this > weekend... > f--- yeahhhh!!! I'm going to try to make it to both shows, how could I > not? They were in Canada recently and I heard good feedback about the > show. It'll be intense. Let me know if any of you plan on going, it would > be cool to meet up out of the "party" element.. > Love, > Lara > > ---- > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > two." > -- Erich Fromm > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > -- Oscar Wilde > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68762-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 19:37:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61340 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 19:37:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61328 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 19:37:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20010714193723.88028.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: trancsonic To: osby@ratkoonrat.net, The_List In-Reply-To: <20010714083807.F104E36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] in anticipation Amen!! --- Osby wrote: > sometimes we have moments that evoke a spiritual > growth between others, that seem earth shattering. > sometimes we have moments that evoke a lull in our > lives (sometimes shattering). through confusion and > > disarry that these moments produce--neither good or > bad--we can find ourselves at the mercy of > transition. > never compromising, these transitions are--pushing > onward like a continual changing backdrop on a > flower > trying to grow. cold winters, scorching suns make > the > growing flower respond. But sometimes we get ahead > of > ourselves...sometimes transitions get ahead of us. > In > over-correction, or in under-correction we end up > failing miserably in positioning ourselves. but in > that process we find ourselves facing a direction we > > had not yet experienced--constantly moving > 'forward'-- > preoccupied with what was expected, limits movement. > > it’s then we see possibilities of new directions, > new > mobilities, and new answers to old questions. Old > answers, sometimes, cannot answer new questions. > > > > > > == > Later {8O) > Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68763-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 21:31:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7218 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 21:31:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7186 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 21:31:55 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c10cac$db36e280$ad6ea840@hppav> From: "FoundationDnB" To: , "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" , , Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:33:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C10C71.E7F7D0A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TONIGHT! -- [ E.D.E. by Compression ] / all ages ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C10C71.E7F7D0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TONIGHT [ sat, july 14th ] The Creators of Compression bring you.... 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[inthamix/clockwork/sac] D J n 8 o n e [ks ent/ks traxx/sac] K w i z [ks ent/ks traxx/sac] S a s c h a 2 3 [xtort/sac] ---------------------------- Ear Wrenching bass bins by JK sound,=20 guarunteed to rumble your bones ---------------------------- Multimedia meltdown and eye orgasms by Lumatech Lighting ---------------------------- online flyer @ www.flashflyer.net ---------------------------- doors open @ 7pm ---------------------------- 24 hour info: 415.721.4610 / 916.484.DRUM ---------------------------- $25 presales available @ in tha mix ...............916.442.0499 frequency 8...............415.221.4142 compound..................415.864.8309 Rock on...................707.422.0499 Skills....................510.704.9876 Armadillo.................530.750.2384 Legacy Imports............209.474.9009 Motion Music..............209.577.6965 Solid Grooves.............408.248.6399 Harmonics.................707.571.8747 or online @: www.ravepass.com ---------------------------- vending / sponsorship inquiries / guest list / or if you would like to = become a part of the EDE promotional team please call: 415.364.1877 or = email: carlo@flashflyer.net ---------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C10C71.E7F7D0A0-- From sfraves-return-68764-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 22:31:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32576 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 22:31:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32566 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 22:31:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.161.212.145] From: "Anthony F" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:31:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 22:31:08.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD493FF0:01C10CB4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Review / Friday Night.. thing: Candy Garden Wow. Great vibe, small party feel and the music was kickin'. As a junglist, I really hate to admit it, but Simon Apex is my new favorite 'Bay Area' DJ. Me, VitaPup (Not his real name, snicker), and our mutual friend Jason, aka DJ Geek from Hotlanta headed up to Sacramento around 8, drove around for a bit, got totally lost, and ended up hanging out in a KFC parking lot for a couple of hours waiting for some shady candy friend of this girl we met at the Full Moon party the weekend before. The cops started circling the parking lot around 11:30, so we split. I guess he found his own ride. Oh well. Anyways, we FINALLY get to the party, but me, being a complete moron, didn't listen to the whole voice mail, so we went into the billiard place first. Not exactly a party crowd. We headed around back, heard the familiar *thump* *thump* of some nice, speedy NRG, and of course the crowd of teenaged candy kids out in front of the venue. After a few, 'No, we don't have anything, sorry's, we made our way into the building. About the venue: It was perfect! Just the right size, well ventilated and cool, with a nice outside chill area for smokers and cracked out kids. About an hour later, our friends Zix, Singe and Christina showed up -- it seems the were delayed by some over-zealous security personnel at the venue, who decided to search their car without probable cause or an invitation. Totally uncool. Also totally illegal. Oh well, what can you do? Anyways, the music was great, Simon Apex was off the hook -- I haven't danced like that in ages. Mad props to the following: Zix, Jason (You're one of my favorite people!), Cowboy Joe, the little 15 year old raver chick who told me that I had a good sense of rhythm, Christina (You whoop the llama's ass. Bluegreen is hella tight!), um.. and the last DJ of the night -- I totally didn't get her name. Anyways, peace and alla that stuff. Anthony _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68765-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 22:50:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41258 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 22:50:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41248 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 22:50:05 -0000 Message-ID: <007001c10cb7$8d27f880$63f05140@jinx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:51:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C10C7C.E06A5EB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Legend Roll Call...OMG Madam Zu and Chris C ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C10C7C.E06A5EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So since my two favorite producers in the whole fucking world will be = playing to night I will see everyone at Legend..Look for me promoting = all one... Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C10C7C.E06A5EB0-- From sfraves-return-68766-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 23:11:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49927 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 23:11:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49917 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 23:11:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010714231105.90373.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:11:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: ".aryck." , Yasmin Fang , sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: shepherd_boy99@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <054101c10bfa$6a2c4420$0101a8c0@simmee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ABOUT MY POSTS that's great. i get my kicks out of making really good music and helping people. i know that i don't have to be mean to get what i need, and that's why i am able to take such good care of myself and countless others. it's really cool, but hard sometimes because my time is so stretched from having too many friends. sometimes, a person can have so many friends, that they are more alone than with people. i was thinking about that this morning...at least i did not feel lonely though. i am glad you came back to the list. you are fun. ;) winky wink...oh, glamorous one, i've been getting into plucking my eyebrows in different ways, and all i have to say about that is OUCH! --- ".aryck." wrote: > > > > > i have something to add, please :)...sometimes, > people > > will say nice things and act nice, but they are > not > > nice > > at all... > > yeah I'm I pretty nice guy to other people. . . > but other than that I am > just such a dick. . . really. . . I know it's mean, > but I get pleasure out > of being so horribly horrible (but not to other > people). . . > > yepp > > I'm badd > > : ) > > aryck > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68767-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 23:18:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53696 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 23:18:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53686 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 23:18:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010714231821.73167.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: F 8 , sf raves Cc: joey kandykid , The Other Jamie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Focus..on my review O.k. Here is my review in all it glory, and gorey detail. Where do I begin. The adventures Dj Choco and I had for this night all began on Wednesday but I will let you guys in on the day of the party at around 2p.m. When I went to pick up Paul, aka DJ Choco and do some random stuff before the party. Well at first we thought that the party might be cancelled, so we had arranged to go to Mardi Gras, but all turned out well and we got the call at 8 p.m. or so to go down to the venue. We head straight there. They where still setting up lights and sound for the evening so I chilled and waited. Tyme came in shortly and started to spin while sound check was going on and who comes rollin up but Milpitas finest. Yes we had a visit from the authorities but all they saw was a bunch of random kids standing around, so they left us alone. Great the party continues. Well every thing is going and we find out that the info line is down. Every one started calling everyone they knew who was suppose to come out and gave directions. But wait what about all those that we don't know or don't have numbers for? So I went ahead and got a message out to the list/s. I left my cell number for any of those that check their e-mail. Fortunately some of you did. Sorry if there where time you couldn't get ahold of me but I didn't receive coverage in some parts of the building. N E way I guess the info line got back up sometime during the night. Hope most of you made it out there. O.k. the venue... This was a great venue. Out in the cuts where we wouldn't bother anyone and so much room. The place is getting demolished today I think, so we lucked out. There was six rooms all together. The main room, and then the next room, and then the last room, with three chill rooms in between. I was all over the place it was hard not to be. You never knew what was going to be playing in the rooms, I loved the fact that there was so many different styles of music. I mean, house, nrg, jungle, Psytrance, epic trance, happy hardcore, breaks, on and on it went all night long. Wow! Saw so many people last night. It was great seeing everyone having a good time. Especially during Randy's set. Did you see the crowd going nuts. Did I mention that that had a few mc's there last night. Had some problems with the mic, but they got it working eventually. O.k so Bazzooka joe rocked. I have to admit i get juicey any time I hear scratching done. I was loving his set and danced my ass off. By the way Joe how was the cheese sticks, and was that you I saw hanging around my monkey bars. Morgan came on after him and well that is all I have to say. Morgan came on, i think that speaks for itself. I mean come on we all know he was going to throw down some awesome stuff and he did. At the same time Michele Liu was in the next room I think that was psytrance he had going. It was very hard to keep track of the dj's. Does anyone know who that guy that was in the second room was. The one that looked like DJ shnaz(is that right?)from the movie Groove. Kitty stop laughing he does!!! By the way so weird not seeing a kandy covered kitty. But I feel you on the whole candy bit. As much as I love the stuff and it will always have a place in my heart for me, I have my reasons not to wear it. One being, I don't need help looking younger. Do you know how many ppl think I am seventeen. I AM 23!!! If I had a dollar for every time someone asked me what high school i go to, I would have enough to fund my party habits, for the rest of my existence. Dj Craz-e-on-e was off the hook. I know paul you told me how he spins but my goodness. He spun in there "you spin me right round" he says it's by dead or alive, but i really don't think they did the original. but I could be wrong I am not that wise on the whole eighties pop culture, but i can hold my own. Cloudskipper spun my favorite happy hardcore. Thank you. I am so pissed that i missed Dj Choco last night. I really am, I was hoping he would of had an earlier slot. I missed him play that song for me "Ordinary world" by that one artist,on that one label, you know. oh well, you will not be missed by me next time. Any-who, Chatted outside with Kenneth from Phat Cow for a while, I was shocked to see him there, but was glad too. I am looking forward to Thursday BTW. I just hope you can hang. Got to meet the infamous Nick aka Dj Ecko, and I have to say he is not the turbo asshole some of you portray him to be from the list. Buzz, I am so glad you found the place. Just to let you know, I had you in mind when I put my number on the list!!! Good seeing you again. Jamie (from Crave) i could not beleive you left with out saying good bye. But I am glad I got to see you regardless. I know we will bump into each other again. And hey you didn't bring that cute friend of yours Josh. Oh well I got to see you and that was more than enough for me. Also met Derek who I will refer to from now on as "captain Save a Raver" (can you, can you, save me), at least from first time e-tards. Could that one guy stop spitting on me when he talked. Gotta love those drooling kids. Great to see Smiley there last night. Thank you for coming with me and driving to the store for more red bull, and powerbars. Charlie I heard you where there but I did not see you. hi anyways. And Joey the kandy kid was there last night too, minus the kandy. Hey kid, is that dorm you are going to live in, guys only? teehee, cause if it is i'll make sure I come and visit you. ha j/k. Clay was there too last night, sorry i did not give you a massage this time, but last time I gave you one at dreamwave, you passed out on the floor. I have pictures to prove it. So eight a.m. rolls around and i am soo tired. Not as tired as Ryan but still tired. I know I have not mentioned half of the stuff that happened last night but, my god 12 hours. Thank you Andy and Leon for helping to make this night possible for these guys. I am sure they are all excited about what went on last night. BTW I got glimpses of both your guys sets. good job. Hahaha, clean up was fun. I know you all enjoyed spray painting the walls. Until your next party guys. Heehee, that one is going to be fun. IMHO. Well that is my night/morning at Focus. I had a great time. I loved seeing all you guys again, and meeting new ones. I am off to get ready for Legend tonight. See you there! ^.~ Jamie Star __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68768-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 23:24:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56487 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 23:24:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56477 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 23:24:11 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] THUMP AND MOMS Thump is one of our favorite parties. We never miss one if we can help it. For good reasons. The Thump vibe is consistently friendly and loving. Security is as security should be: courteous and respectful. Some of them even dance. And Thump has made me a devoted fan of psytrance by bringing to San Francisco some of the best talent in the world like S.U.N. Project, X-Dream, Infected Mushroom, Double Dragon and the like. Along with psytrance, the Thump folks deliver eclectic EDM alternatives in the side rooms including house, techno and Jungle. For those of you who don't know psytrance, I believe that if you're passionate about house or techno you'll find this very compelling dance music. Those who have only have experienced the more popular forms of trance will find dancing to this music is much more demanding and fulfilling. I began my evening talking with Sen-Sei and David Coleman, two of the brightest talents in the SF house scene. I have great affection for these guys: they make me sweat on the dancefloor and are really cool people to hang with when you're taking a break. Sen-Sei told me they are about to release a new CD (can't wait to hear it) as well as some singles. Last night was a special evening for Sen-Sei. His mother was in town on a visit and he brought her to the party to hear his set. Now he told me that this was the first time his mom had ever seen him perform house music; the last time she saw him make music was ten years ago in NYC when he was a jazz pianist. He introduced us. Sen-Sei's mom is a very attractive, youngish-looking woman who, I understand, is a devoted Salsa dancer. I gathered this was the first time in her life she had ever been to an EDM party, 'cause she looked kinda' disoriented and had to be encouraged to take a position near the DJ booth for the set. Given that they were playing for Sen-Sei's mom, he and David delivered one of their best sets ever. I danced through the whole thing non-stop and was drenched in sweat at the end -- good feeling for a dancer. To honor his mom they threw in some Latin rhythms, and she smiled and moved to those beats. Afterwards I asked Sen-Sei what his mom thought of all this. He said she thought the music was "loud" and some of the dancers were "out there", but all told she seemed to appreciate the experience. So after the Kinetic Grooves workout I jumped into the PAPS set without a break, movin' the body to even more BPMs. Hard, thumpin' basslines, yes, relentlessly pushing the body and soul to extremes. And for the rest of the night I moved back and forth between the trance room and house -- Simon was putting down some rockin' tribal house -- with a couple of breaks for a toke. Almost five hours of nonstop dancing. How I love it. On the trance floor I met my woman friend from Distractions on the Haight. We got into a discussion about whether we would bring our moms to an event like this. Now my mom, I have seen her once in 15 years although I call her weekly. She is in Florida and I am here and we seem to be comfortable with this distance for a number of complex reasons. Yet she knows nothing about this side of me, and I would like her to see it, tho' I think my grandmother would have found EDM parties more interesting than my mom. My Distractions friend, however, thought that her mom would be uncomfortable at Thump because of the palpable sexual, sensual vibe in the air. Hmmm. I mean, there is no bump 'n grind, grab ass kind of action here for the most part. But the people ARE very friendly. Much to my liking. The Thump party to me is a kind of sweaty dance orgy with a lot of smiling faces and warm hugs 'n stuff which I love. Lots of folks with different sexual orientations, some rather ambiguous, which adds to the fun. I guess much of it is playful cruising. Ha, who knows. I will say that many of the women who attend Thump are amongst the best and most energetic, sensual dancers in town. Lots of them seem to be alone or with other women. I invariably end up dancing every time I go there with these two pretty wild women. I look forward to this and they do too. I thought they were a couple, but maybe they are looking for a threesome:) It's all good, however, and it's this kind of sensual mystery that I prefer in a dance scene rather than the overt predatory and often sloppy shit that goes down in some parties. Well, moms are sexual beings too and I can't help but think that a few hours at Thump would be a welcome boost to the libido. I also meet several members of the Thump crew, all lovely people. I send them my heartfelt thanks for making these parties possible. Again, consistently great dance music, loving vibe, beautiful visuals and an attitude overall that says: "Welcome -- we're happy to have you at our party." Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68769-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 23:28:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58696 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 23:28:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58675 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 23:28:16 -0000 Message-ID: <003a01c10cbd$b04c57b0$e788f5d1@brak> From: "Emily Edwards" To: "SFR" References: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:35:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! Well, I actually totally understand where you're coming from. I was just trying to bring this info to light. I understand why you think he may not be the most trustworthy, and why you say he contradicts himself. IMHO, I feel like he kinda spices up the list tho...every place needs a bad boy of sorts. Anyway, sorry to keep this topic going, I just wanted to clarify that I do understand. I'm sorry you assumed that I didn't just because I am associated with him. And ya know what they say about assuming...it makes an ass out of u and me =) Late ~*Emily*~ www.core-nrg.net Freedom defined is freedom denied... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lara" To: "Emily Edwards" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > I apologize for not paying attention, but nevertheless if Nick is going to > be BSPing an event, he will be the one whose anger is pointed to. I think > you could understand my anger, as Nick is not the most trustworthy person > (ok the LEAST trust worthy person) on this list. > I'll give him this ONE, but in the past he has spoken many > contradictions just to save his ass from a chewing, and it's > patethetic. I've been asked by so many people to kick him off this list, > then he kisses my ass, I leave him on, and then he says something nasty to > me or someone on the list. Please understand how easy it is to jump the > gun with this person. > BUt you work with him so I guess you wouldn't understand.. > Lara > > ---- > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > two." > -- Erich Fromm > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > -- Oscar Wilde > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Emily Edwards wrote: > > > Lara...I mean no disrespect, I would just like to point something out. I > > seem to remember the BSP for Infinity or it might have been some post > > promoting Infinity, but Nick announced that Infinity would be the last UVT > > party...meaning, he was part of UVT for a long time you're right, but as of > > December 17 (the day after Infinity) he was no longer a member of UVT. I > > know SFR is archived, and if you'd like to look it up, be my guest. I just > > hope my memory serves me well. =) Anyway...this post is a little drawn out > > don't you think? > > > > ~*Emily*~ > > www.core-nrg.net > > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lara" > > To: "innocentchild" > > Cc: "Emily Edwards" ; "SFR" > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again > > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > > > > And an addition to this: > > > Nick if you haven't been the key part of UVT for awhile, why is this just > > > NOW coming up on this list? Why wasn't it brought up before you started > > > taking heat for this issue? I don't know about you, but if I was the key > > > person of a promoting group and stepped down after a long time, I would > > > have announced it just to clarify. If you don't like the actions of UVT > > > you should not be obliged to be a part of them anymore. > > > Lara > > > > > > ---- > > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > > two." > > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Lara wrote: > > > > > > > word to ryan! this is absolutely true. > > > > Nick has been promoting UVT as *his* parties for as long as I've known > > him > > > > to be on the list - for him to say that this is not his party is > > > > ridiculous, and another pure example of his conflicting truths. To say > > > > you're UVT for all this time, and someone comes to you with a difficult > > > > issue about your party policies, and you back down and say "this isn't > > > > me" is bullshit. Either pull your name from this party if you don't want > > > > anything to do with it (and all your involvement) and it's truly not > > > > yours, or own up to it and take the heat for making a stupid decision. > > > > Vlad and many other promoters have the balls to stand up to their > > > > parties and take responsibility of answering public opinion, but Nick > > just > > > > throws the blame on somebody else, which is SO much easier than > > > > being logical, right? Very typical behavior from him. Once > > > > again, I feel sick. > > > > Lara > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > > > two." > > > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, innocentchild wrote: > > > > > > > > > Given that Nick always represents himself as part of UVT and Core:NRG > > he's > > > > > responsible for the image that he portrays of himself and those > > groups. > > > > > Here's a parallel for you... If you work at something like a > > Blockbuster > > > > > Video that has a uniform you're representing the company and it's > > image. > > > > > Should you go out to get some food and talk trash at the place people > > see > > > > > you as someone from Blockbuster and the image of that store is changed > > in > > > > > those people's minds. Same thing goes here with SFR. When you add > > these > > > > > affiliations to your signiture file people associate you with a > > certain > > > > > group of people and the image of that group. I see Nick I think UVT. I > > see > > > > > Jeremey Bispo I think ASR. I see Shane I think Epiphany and so on. If > > a > > > > > member of your group posts info to a major list like this and has the > > groups > > > > > name associated with that individual people on the list will see that > > member > > > > > as a represntitive. That's what's happening with Nick right now. He > > posted > > > > > the info for the UVT party while previously associating himself as a > > big > > > > > part of UVT. To say that he has nothing to do with this and don't yell > > at me > > > > > is sad. Joining a group to throw parties for whatever reason means > > you're > > > > > committing to that group and act as a representitive of that group > > > > > regardless of your level of involvement. If Nick is a part of UVT like > > he's > > > > > always said then he should stand up for what his group means to him > > and not > > > > > shy away from the email that's being sent right now. If this > > kevikev420 guy > > > > > is the one in charge or has the info on this all, then Nick should be > > a > > > > > proxy to SFR unless that individual is on the list. SFR sees Nick as > > UVT. > > > > > He's the voice of UVT on SFR. He didn't make the rules for this party > > nor is > > > > > he heading up this party, but he needs to relay the information from > > the > > > > > person who *is* so that all this missinformation can be alleviated. To > > > > > continue that Blockbuster analogy Nick can always take the annoyed > > customer > > > > > and hand them off to the manager and say *not my problem* which is > > what > > > > > seems to have occured. Hooray for retail parties! > > > > > > > > > > ryan.bailey > > > > > sninesix.design > > > > > www.viberation.com/ryan > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Emily Edwards" > > > > > To: "SFR" > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once > > again > > > > > to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok ya'll....I'm sick of these personal attacks...Yeah I know Nick > > pisses > > > > > > some people off, but there really is no reason to attack him right > > now. > > > > > THE > > > > > > PARTY ISN'T HIS. HE DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES FOR THIS PARTY. Damn > > > > > everyone...I > > > > > > know the location of this party *Nick DID NOT pick the location* and > > it > > > > > > isn't in the best part of the bay. This rule was implemented for the > > > > > safety > > > > > > of the party-goers. If you want to dress like a thug, you will be > > treated > > > > > > like a thug in this part of town. The only way Nick is affiliated > > with > > > > > this > > > > > > party is because he is helping out. If you want to attack him, > > please have > > > > > a > > > > > > good reason. After Infinity he let people in for free AND donated > > food, > > > > > > clothes, and a good percentage of the proceeds to the needy. He's > > lost > > > > > more > > > > > > than enough money trying to throw parties TO MAKE ALL OF YOU HAPPY. > > It's > > > > > > hard enough to be a promoter and not face scrutiny for whatever > > aspect of > > > > > > your party, but geeze...I think you all have flamed him enough. One > > last > > > > > > comment here... the party was ALL ONE...ALL *space* ONE. I won't > > even > > > > > > comment on Lydia's post...This subject is old and dead...why bring > > it up > > > > > > again?? Oh yeah, you just want to dig shit up on Nick so you have a > > > > > stronger > > > > > > attack...This is lame...let it die. > > > > > > > > > > > > Flame me if you like, I'm just trying to defend a promoter who is > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > make the scene better for everyone. If you don't see that, oh well. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*Emily*~ > > > > > > www.core-nrg.net > > > > > > Freedom defined is freedom denied... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68770-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 23:30:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63238 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 23:30:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63228 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 23:30:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010714233043.88366.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:30:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] stress management nrr i think it would be most appropriate if several people who have been reading my posts would stop reading my posts, and would take that time instead to read about other things like stress management. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68771-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 23:45:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69319 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 23:45:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69309 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 23:45:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010714234507.93424.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: "Eckö" , sf raves In-Reply-To: <007001c10cb7$8d27f880$63f05140@jinx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Legend Roll Call...OMG Madam Zu and Chris C I am so going to be there. I will look for you nick. So if you see me first say hi, k. Everyone's litle Star Jamie. BTW...See mike I told you my middle name is really Star.8^P Making me pull out my ID to prove it?!?!?! --- Eckö wrote: > So since my two favorite producers in the whole > fucking world will be playing to night I will see > everyone at Legend..Look for me promoting all one... > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68772-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 14 23:46:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70661 invoked by uid 1104); 14 Jul 2001 23:46:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70649 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 23:46:01 -0000 Message-ID: <005501c10cc0$2c239c70$e788f5d1@brak> From: "Emily Edwards" To: "SFR" , "F-8" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:53:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C10C85.7EEA42F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] My Focus review ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C10C85.7EEA42F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok...to start off, this party was dope. The venue rocked, the music was = cool, the visuals were nice, and my personal favorite...there was room = to dance!! I do have a few gripes tho. First, I don't know who's fault = this was, but the info line was goin in and out, and that wasn't good. = Umm, my little car didn't like the dirt road at all, but that wasn't = really a problem cuz the venue at the end of the road was SICK! hehe, = anyway, my biggest complaint...Turn the damn fog/smoke machines off. = They're cool in moderation, but I couldn't even see five feet in front = of me, and on top of that, having the rooms so smoky tended to put a = damper on dancing. Over all, thanks to the people who put all that hard = work into this party. Despite the downfalls, this party was definitely = worth it. It was great to see everyone there, and to see a few new faces = *Hi Cheese and Molly* =3D) Umm, I guess until next time...May the force = be with you! Aww jigga. ~*Emily*~ www.core-nrg.net Freedom defined is freedom denied... ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C10C85.7EEA42F0-- From sfraves-return-68773-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 00:10:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78029 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 00:10:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78015 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 00:10:25 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:11:49 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves , sacraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Future Thank You... Thank you to everyone who made it out for my 5 hr. marathon set last night. I had a great time! 8) MODA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68774-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 00:14:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80579 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 00:14:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80564 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 00:14:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: "sf raves" , "f8" References: <20010714234507.93424.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:24:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 00:14:05.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EF41DC0:01C10CC3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: Legend Roll Call...OMG Paulina Taylor & Spree!!!!! Molly and I will also definately be there!!! How could we miss Paulina Taylor and Spree, not to mention Cloudskipper, Anthonymad, Valerie Sparks, ClimaxXx and Tronic!!!! Oh My God!!!! I can't wait!!!!! And of course, we'll be taking pictures for www.BayAreaRavers.com !!!!! Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Murray" To: "Eckö" ; "sf raves" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Legend Roll Call...OMG Madam Zu and Chris C > I am so going to be there. I will look for you nick. > So if you see me first say hi, k. > Everyone's litle Star > Jamie. > BTW...See mike I told you my middle name is really > Star.8^P Making me pull out my ID to prove it?!?!?! > > --- Eckö wrote: > > So since my two favorite producers in the whole > > fucking world will be playing to night I will see > > everyone at Legend..Look for me promoting all one... > > Nick > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68775-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 00:25:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85045 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 00:25:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85027 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 00:25:12 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:26:36 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves , sacraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Anyone like good tribal house? (bsp) Anyone who is a big fan of good progressive tribal house should make it out to Future next Friday. We're proud to present Renaissance UK recording artist, Spesh Gil, along with myself for a great evening of progressive choons. Anyone 18+ who prints this email out and brings it to the door next Friday with a valid id will get in for $10 all night! Stay tuned to some changes with the venue that we have in store! Also, on another note, we continue to encourage local djs to submit their demos to us in our efforts to add rotating residents. Already, we've found some great demos and are looking forward to some new talent! The best way to get the demos to us is to come down to Future on any Friday and introduce yourself. If you can't make it down, you can always send your promo to: Trancefusion Music c/o Future 1809 Gouldin Road Oakland, CA 94611 8) MODA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68776-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 02:38:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25538 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 02:38:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25527 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 02:38:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <002601c10cd7$1d350340$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "sfraves" , , "DJ D LIST" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:37:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C10C9C.70A3D0A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] I need Help Promoting Cyberfest & F-8's Campout.... NE BODY INTERESTED....? ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C10C9C.70A3D0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey i gotta go do club promos 2nite in SF... if anybody is interested=20 in helping promote those parties... i can guarantee entrance to the party for free... plus extras... respond asap if u can help.. tell me where u live and if u have a car.. u can get ahold of me on aol instant messanger=20 my screen name is=20 djesmo1 aight... L8 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C10C9C.70A3D0A0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-68777-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 05:26:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69429 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 05:26:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69418 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 05:26:39 -0000 Message-ID: <3B512A61.EDE1D7A0@iamthedj.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:30:09 -0700 From: Amber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Where can I make lots of stickers, for cheap? Any recommendations of shops (online or not) with ridiculously low prices on stickers? Dimensions and services don't matter, just lots of stickers for cheap cheap cheap. Thanks! >:)amber ps - Added a "Techno" sticker to my car today, just above the car-model emblem. I now have "Techno Volvo." -- Amber .|. http://www.iamthedj.com .|. You hate Amber. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68778-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 05:59:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79099 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 05:59:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79089 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 05:59:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010715055900.91109.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Happy Kids.... Missing in Action??? What's the deal with The Legend Returns??? The voicemail was supposedly going to be updated w/ directions @ 10pm. It's now almost 11pm... the starting time of the party, and still no directions... WTF?!?!? It it suddenly cancelled or something? Anyone know what the deal is? thanks, john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68779-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 06:06:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81382 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 06:06:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81372 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 06:06:42 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.164.135.38] From: "scooter ." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:06:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 06:06:10.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[3ED16B70:01C10CF4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] To Party or Not to Party, NEED ADVICE Hey people whats up?? I hope everybody's life is going well. I have a dilemma that could use some input. I started partyin over a year ago. Everything was cool until around dec. when it became harder and harder to find a party with a good lineup, vibe, and location. Anyway do to some drastic changes in my life, I know longer party with the same people I used to. I miss partyin but I dont want to attend parties by myself. I have a hard time socializing with people at first but once I get started I dont ever shut up (hehehe). Anyway I guess I have been lacking in motivation to attend parties cuz i dont have any cool people to go with, and I havent been keeping up to date with everythin so I dont know what good parties are coming up. The last and BEST party I went to was Popsikl (Ya that long ago!!). So if anybody could lend some advice or a good inspirational story to help me get back into things it would be forever grateful. I miss the music, people, and most of the scene (I dont miss all my friends being to wasted to talk), so I desperatly need somethin to help me fall back in love with somethin that I miss a great deal. Thanks for listening to this insane bit of self pity. Much Love Scooter aka Jason _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68780-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 08:23:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24220 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 08:23:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24171 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 08:23:23 -0000 From: PhysixBAM@aol.com Message-ID: <87.d11ba8e.2882acdb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 04:22:51 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Attention Promoters/ClubOwners/EventCo-ordinators ---- ------ The following is a list of tours=20 available through PhysixBAM! Feel free to contact us at=20 PhysixBAM@aol.com or=20 317 496 7275 for more details=20 or to inquire about any of the=20 tour dates! DIODE MUSIC TOUR dates available: artists available: ------ Sweden seems to STILL be the hotbed o f creativity for techno... first Cari Lekebush, Adam Beyer and co... then Glenn Wilson, Headroom and Slobodan... and now..... the DIODE CREW! =20 In their first appearance in the US (and their only slated appearance in 2001), you have the unique=20 opportunity to host a very unique event! =20 These three talented Djs and producers have been swarming the airwaves and captivating dancefloors with their myriad releases on Skunkworks, Zync, and other record labels! Now, they bring their talent for jacking and their ear for the innovative to the USofA for an extremely limited and brief time! On selected dates, the following DJs are also available: ------ MINIMAL VISIONS TOUR 2001 dates available: artists featured: --- Huggy, from the Uk, is the consumate party Dj. From his=20 hands-in-the-air blend of house and progression and tech- house and his annual gigs in Berlin, Ibiza and such UK=20 faves as Badlands, Miss Money Pennies, and Ministry of=20 Sound, Huggy is ESSENTIAL to a party! Co-owner and=20 founder of 20:20 Vission Records and part of the Back2 Basics crew, we are proud to have Huggy spearheading=20 this tour! =20 David Hollands, a midwest veteran now residing in=20 NYC, is probably one of the most global trotting DJs in=20 the US! With gigs in Puerto Rico, Leningrad, Berlin,=20 Stockholm, Japan, Venuzuela, Australia, Greenland,=20 New Zealand, plus his sets in every major rave city in=20 the US, David's techno and house are both imprecable=20 and unstoppable! Owner of Minimal Wage, David has=20 been hitting the vinyl market hard with new partner-in- crime Dj Linus, from the UK. Together or separate, both=20 are a force to be reckoned with. =20 Chocolate: The FreakyAfroNaut, also from the Mid- west, is the undeniable pilot of the funkiest starship in=20 this galaxy -- the Mothership Connection! From his chunky=20 and sometimes tracky house to funky-as-nails techno and=20 everything inbetween, Chocolate is the perfect candidate=20 to round off this tour! So perfect, that in October, Chocolate=20 will be making the move to California, to launch Physix=20 Records, which will host tracks from Dj Hardcell, Johan Bacto,=20 Headroom, David Hollands, not to mention his own work=20 under such guises as Tha Freq Foundation, Patrik F=E4th,=20 Tantrum, and Artist Unknown! CHICAGO FUTURE WORLDS TEKNO TOUR date available: artists featured: Chicago has long been known as the birthplace of house. =20 However, techno has always remained a solid influence=20 on the city's electronic growth. Submerge 101 is proof of=20 Chicago's dedication to teh preservation of techno in all=20 it's glory. Having returned from a world-tour RE:FUSE &=20 RE:SIST along with Sweden's Headroom, Glenn Wilson.=20 and Slobodan, Submerge 101 (hard at work on his vinyl=20 projects) stills finds the time to bang the decks. From the=20 left coast to the right, and in such foreign destinations such=20 as Japan, Sweden, Germany and Montreal, Submerge 101's=20 very aggressive style is a show within a show! =20 Channel One have been a staple in the Chicago scene=20 for several years, having paid their dues in parties all through- out Canada, the Midwest and the right coast! Their dedication to techno can be seen with their record label KOMPUTE, which includes tracks from ESP Woody McBride, Angel Alanis, and=20 Frankie Vega (among others). This 2 x 4 tag team set is=20 defintiely one designed to spare no one! Frankie Vega -- The man's name is synonymous with=20 both good parties and good music! As part of the Mushgroove crew, Frankie brought talent to the Chicago-land area in a=20 manner few others did -- shade free. His style of techno is geared for the body, yet leaves the mind free to explore the soundscapes. Now, as A&R rep for Underground Construction and owner of his own BLUELINE RECORDS label, Frankie is poised to take over the techno world! If you'd like to inquire about these tours, or would like to receive our full roster, feel free to contact us at: PhysixBAM@aol.com or 317 496 7275 With Best Regards, -Brandon B. Harris PHYSiX Booking & Artist Management --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68781-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 10:30:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71505 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 10:30:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71487 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 10:30:43 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 03:31:28 -0700 From: MODA To: sfraves CC: sacraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3078012688_87081" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Bedrock/Renaissance Represented @ Future 7/20! (bsp) --B_3078012688_87081 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Come join us at Future this Friday for some great Progressive Choons! In the Main Room: S P E S H (from the duo Jondi & Spesh) Renaissance UK/Bedrock/Looq Records "Jondi & Spesh ink deal with Bedrock for three singles. The first double A side EP will feature both the very deep "Mysteries of the Giant Squid," and the extremely mystical "Toltec." These two brand new tracks from Jondi & Spesh, locked under a Digweed exclusive for months, will finally be release= d with the Big Blue B." M O D A Trancefusion/Funked Up Recordings/Urban Loops =B3Moda=B9s forthcoming multiple disc release on Funked Up of =B3Tiger=B2 is going to storm the progressive dance scene! Already being played by world renown jocks, this epic tribal track was the hit of the night, receiving an overwhelming response at God=B9s Kitchen, one of the UK=B9s finest nightclubs!=B2 I A N L E W I S FGE/Future Resident :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I N T H E F U L L - B A R L O U N G E . . . . ::::::::: T H E I N D U S T R Y L O U N G E :::::::::: featuring... J O E L A N Z O N + special guest.... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D F U T U R E 375 First Street & Harrison in SF 18 & Over with valid ID Full-Bar Lounge for 21 and up! 9 pm - 2 am $10 before 10 pm $15 after 10 pm For more info, please call 415.281.0866 or http://www.globalparty.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D T R A N C E F U S I O N M U S I C 1809 Gouldin Road =80 Oakland =80 CA =80 94611 PH. (415) 215-1612 FAX (510) 339-3887 http://www.trancefusion.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --B_3078012688_87081-- From sfraves-return-68782-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 10:57:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78972 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 10:57:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78962 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 10:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3B517659.A83A1187@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 03:54:18 -0700 From: Big Appetite X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [bsp] Clean Plate Club - Sat.July.21 - Chris Jackson vs. AndyW Techno is not a fad. It is not going to die. Ever. It will not come and go with the changings of hairstyles, operating systems, and new flavors of Doritos. Techno is raw and pure electronic rhythm - the timeless heartbeat of the universe channelled through plastic discs and vibrating boxes. As many of us have felt so personally, techno is most certainly a force of good, a force filled with energy and emotion that ignites our minds and feeds our souls. So be nice to techno, and it just might be very, very nice to you. Techno in San Francisco is alive and kickin'. Let's gather round the tables and kick it again tonight. ======================================= big appetite presents.... CLEAN PLATE CLUB Saturday, July 21st (& every 3rd Saturday) An Sibin 1176 Sutter @ Polk 21+ w/ ID 9pm - 2am $7 (free til 9:30) With tender and juicy guest DJs: ========= Chris Jackson vs. AndyW =========== resource records / viberation : sj 12:00-2:00 (the bay's favorite techno thumpers keepin' it deep and clean) ============= Chad Mindrive ================ erotishock / clean plate club : sf 10:30-12:00 (deep tech-house maestro blowin' your mind every time) ============ Protolab - LIVE PA ============== exact-science / cybrid / aelectro : sf 9:00-10:30 (spicy laptop appetizers from a 10yr production veteran) ********************************************** reply to sender for info or to subscribe to e-flyer w/ jpgs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68783-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 15:07:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42886 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 15:07:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42876 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 15:07:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010715150702.6649.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:07:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Happy Kids ROCK!!! Legend was awesome... So I got worried for nothing last nite.... The Legend Returns went off.... and it was AWESOME! In fact, the only bad thing WAS that I got worried. Since the cops fucked with HappyKids' last party back in march, and shut it down at 2, I let myself get worried that no updated infoline meant that they had decided to destroy The Legend Returns before it could even start. But in the end, it was just a little tardiness wrt/ the infoline... Tho the fact that, when I got there, there was a whole nest of cops swarming around not two blocks away, was quite disconcerting... so, off to a shakey start... But the happykids sure don't dissapoint... Legend was INSANE... and I mean that, a bit, literally. I really gotta wonder 'bout the state of someone's sanity when "ravers on ice" sounds like a good idea. Yes, it was hella fun, slipping and slideing in the two main rooms. No, I could NOT dance in there. Yes I did try.... Yes I did fall and bust my ass.... several times. Sure there were mats... but they were crowded in practice, you had to find a spot that hadn't been danced on yet. That ice would be okay for five minutes, then it would be so slick that you'd be ready to fall down again. But really, more than for anything else, I was at Legend for the Happy Hardcore room!!! And damn.... THAT was sweet!!! I got there right at the start of Valerie Sparks' set... and I felt the vibe almost instantly, and bounced postively effervescently for almost the whole time. Missed the end of her set, when I ran into some friends, and went to take the tour and see who else I knew was around. So, for awhile, I bounced from room to room.... catching a bit of Greg Sandler, a bit of HK Marty, a bit of Tronic.... mostly hangin w/ cool peeps. Danceing from room to room.... still busting ass when I tried to dance on the ice... but damn was slipping and slideing FUN. So I got firmly entrenched in the HappyKore room starting w/ Cloudskipper, and lasting most of the rest of the nite. Alternated danceing with hanging and chatting. Before long, I think it actually got COLDER in the venue... After a while, the HappyKore room was the only place I could go and not be shiverring. But we just HAD to get up and go watch DJ D spin. By that time I was pooped, so just sat in the bleachers watching... Well, eventually my friends started to disperse. I was tired too, and was on my way out, and decided to pass through the Happy Hardcore room on my way out. Well, I got there near the end of Anthony Mad's set, and caught my second wind. Got ten minutes more worth of danceing to awesome Happy Hardcore before I finally left. I just got home, and I'm bloody exhausted now. But damn am I happy!!! Sometimes, an awesome partie comes along at the PERFECT time. Last time was "One of the Family" by Native Vision and Husband and Wife. Back in march, that partie kicked me out of a rut of boreing routine that I think I had fallen into in my life. This time, "The Legend Returns" was that partie. My old company ran near out of money last week, and I got laid off, along with 40% of the company, on tuesday. I have a bunch of great "non-raver" friends, that took it upon themselves to see that, for tuesday nite, wednesday, thursday, and friday, I was drunk, unconcious, or hung over the entire time. I had to sneak around behind their backs to buy them drinks in return (I'm unemployed, I'm not destitute yet). They're great people, and I love them to death, but bingeing on alcohol was NOT helping... if anything, it was makeing me MORE depressed.... But a night of danceing my ass off to Happy Hardcore was EXACTLY what it took to bust me out of this rut, I'm refreshed and energised. And I'm ready to face the new week and find a new awesome job. Thanks, Happy Kids. love ya, john PS. Hey... if any of ya know of raver-friendly companies in San Francisco (I would perfer to stay in the city, but won't totally rule out other places) that are hireing, and are a fun place to work, this geek would appreciate a tip off. Im about three years out of college, and am most proficent in perl and on linux boxen. I know a fair bit of C too, but am a bit rusty.... likewise with other unixen... I'm familiar, but a bit rusty. But I'm a f-ing fast learner. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68784-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 15:13:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47533 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 15:13:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47504 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 15:13:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:13:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: Clifford Brown cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Trey Anastasio tonite! :)/TOOL TIX ON SALE WOOHOO I hope you made it to the show - OMG! It was excellent. We got there around 3:30 and the surroundings of the Greek Theatre really didn't start getting packed until around 4:30... Doors opened at 5:30, and the show started @ 7:30, went all the way to around 11pm (not sure, I don't have a watch). What a JAM and what a VIBE. Those who didn't make it, missed out. I saw someone sellin grilled cheese's wonder if it was you! :) xo Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Clifford Brown wrote: > I dont have tix but i think im gunna go kick it in the parking lot cause. > Last time i wet to a Phish show i actually never made it into the show... > THE PARKING LOT WAS JUST SOO MUCH DAMNED FUN. hung out trading pipes and but > and things of that sort... So mabey ill see you there. I might be selling > nummy grilled chees sandwitches after the show. > > Dancin for SMILES =) > Cliff > > > ------------------------------------ > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lara > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 9:36 AM > Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Trey Anastasio tonite! :)/TOOL TIX ON SALE WOOHOO > > > > Hey everyone, > > the hippie in me is going off to the Trey Anastasio (Phish) show tonight, > > I don't know if any of you out there are going to be there, but thought > > I'd mention it. Anyone else going to be there?? Either way it'll be a > > great show. > > > > Also... To those who know... Don't forget TOOL tickets go on sale this > > weekend... > > f--- yeahhhh!!! I'm going to try to make it to both shows, how could I > > not? They were in Canada recently and I heard good feedback about the > > show. It'll be intense. Let me know if any of you plan on going, it would > > be cool to meet up out of the "party" element.. > > Love, > > Lara > > > > ---- > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain > > two." > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68785-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 20:08:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44571 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 20:08:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44534 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 20:08:10 -0000 From: Eternal777@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.e69b31b.2883520a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:07:38 EDT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3e.e69b31b.2883520a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 1200's for sale --part1_3e.e69b31b.2883520a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I two black 1200's for sale a year old in perfect condition if you are interested please privity email me back --part1_3e.e69b31b.2883520a_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68786-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 21:17:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75208 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 21:17:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75197 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 21:17:52 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:17:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 21:17:23.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A585750:01C10D73] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] THEY'RE COMING!!!!....SoCal event September 15 (Saturday) – Slow Motion by Vibe Events Bringing The Worlds Best Dj's . Dj Teisto (3hr Set), Sasha & Digweed, Live performance by BT, Carl Cox. More TBA. Located at a never been used L.A venue with over 20 thousand capacity. Info 626.645.2989 somthing is wrong with the info line number, but wanted to pass along this event....sasha and digweed here i come!!! trance fiend til the end =) little matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68787-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 21:38:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80965 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 21:38:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80948 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 21:38:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010715213801.59761.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:38:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: ascend@ix.netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? 'Kay... I gotta jump in with MY wacky guess... I'm thinking piers 30/32 in San Francisco... where the Warped Tour and the X-Games are held. cya there, (wherever) john > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED > > > AREA 51 VENUE information? > > > > > > Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA > > > 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue > > > information... > > > > > > Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 > > > is going to take place... I will give a free ticket > > > to the first person that gets the right answer! > > > > > > Peace and love, > > > > > > Greg Sandler __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68788-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 22:33:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1798 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 22:33:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1788 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 22:33:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: djhbomb999@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:32:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 22:32:38.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D9985D0:01C10D7E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] promoter PR and contact practices (was: July 27th the Unity...) i think i'm with bob on this one.....my personal vote is for coolworld to be taken down a few more notches.....along with all the other shady as hell promoters as well.....if we keep putting money in their pockets, they can keep continuing ripping people off.....word of mouth has always been the strongest communication within our society....tell everyone you know about shady promoters and their ways, and ask them NOT to attend any of their events until the promoter can straighten it up...no more people going to their events means the company will go out of business or have to start keeping promises if they have the funds to actually survive...it's the most powerful weapon we have against them my two cents little matt >From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] promoter PR and contact practices (was: July 27th the >Unity...) >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:41:06 -0700 > >in the relatively limited amount of time i've been on this list, i've >already noticed that among the many folks who participate in the list who >also promote and/or work on various EDM nights and events, there appears to >be a small group of "promoters" who: > >1. believe that they have the absolute right to dictate modes of behavior, >dress, substance intake, and other matters which are appropriately decided >by personal, informed choice, rather than by high-school-style brow-beating >and bullying behavior > >2. repeatedly impose their egotistical and self-contradictory rants on the >list in attempts to evade the issues their business practices and personal >conduct raise > >and > >3. fail to understand that if they present themselves, and their events, in >a way which is insulting, hostile, and contemptuous of their potential >customer base, informed and intelligent consumers will refuse to patronize >those who condescendingly patronize us. > >this is your wake-up call. people have been dancing for thousands of years >without you. and we are continuing to dance without you and avoiding your >events, since the utter lack of respect you show to us disinclines us to >give you our hard-earned dollars to feed your egos, arrogance, and greed. >even if you're targeting underage people for your events, they deserve to >be >treated with AT LEAST the same respect you seem to expect, while apparently >doing nothing to merit that respect other than taking our money...not told >what clothing they can wear or kicked by a promoter's goons if they dare to >sit down on the floor to rest. people, we deserve better than that! and >it's way past time that certain promoters started to realize that. > >--hb > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68789-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 22:51:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11456 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 22:51:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11441 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 22:51:00 -0000 From: "Corey Vallejo" To: "'John B.'" , Cc: , Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:50:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c10d80$959ace10$a4a3fa18@MOZART> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 In-Reply-To: <20010715213801.59761.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? Worth a shot... Bill Grahamn Civic Auditorium? Corey Vallejo DJ Symplistik - Hi-NRG/Hard House amadeus@fur.com http://symplistik.cjb.net -----Original Message----- From: John B. [mailto:svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:38 PM To: ascend@ix.netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org; sacraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? 'Kay... I gotta jump in with MY wacky guess... I'm thinking piers 30/32 in San Francisco... where the Warped Tour and the X-Games are held. cya there, (wherever) john > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED > > > AREA 51 VENUE information? > > > > > > Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA > > > 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue > > > information... > > > > > > Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 > > > is going to take place... I will give a free ticket > > > to the first person that gets the right answer! > > > > > > Peace and love, > > > > > > Greg Sandler __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68790-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 23:10:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25215 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 23:10:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25152 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 23:10:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716111326.3179.qmail@www.nexpoint.org> References: <20010715213801.59761.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010715213801.59761.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> From: "staff" To: "John B." Cc: ascend@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:13:26 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? I think I got it..? treasure island? John B. writes: > > 'Kay... I gotta jump in with MY wacky guess... > > I'm thinking piers 30/32 in San Francisco... where the Warped > Tour and the X-Games are held. > > > cya there, (wherever) > > john > > > >> >--- Greg Sandler wrote: >> > > Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED >> > > AREA 51 VENUE information? >> > > >> > > Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA >> > > 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue >> > > information... >> > > >> > > Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 >> > > is going to take place... I will give a free ticket >> > > to the first person that gets the right answer! >> > > >> > > Peace and love, >> > > >> > > Greg Sandler > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68791-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 23:12:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27933 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 23:12:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27915 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 23:12:42 -0000 From: MadPnoy19@aol.com Message-ID: <121.1b36096.28837d47@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:12:07 EDT To: ascend@ix.netcom.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_121.1b36096.28837d47_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? --part1_121.1b36096.28837d47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit treasure island, the epmy pires where they have x-games & the boxing events, or that phat empty warehouse space by Pac Bell park. just my guesses. -yonderB --part1_121.1b36096.28837d47_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68792-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 23:18:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31550 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 23:18:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31532 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 23:18:15 -0000 From: Eternal777@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.17404d87.28837eb0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:18:08 EDT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9e.17404d87.28837eb0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 1200's sold --part1_9e.17404d87.28837eb0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit they are sold --part1_9e.17404d87.28837eb0_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68793-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 23:20:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34372 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 23:20:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34362 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 23:20:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.143] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:18:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C10D49.CFECC960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 23:19:31.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A33BA50:01C10D84] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP ?? Viberation Visuals at La Scala Cafe in Walnut Creek tonight ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C10D49.CFECC960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone down for a meet and greet Viberation will be setting up = vidscreens in the outside garden area at La Scala tonight from 9 - = 12/1am Great atmosphere, good coffee and food, fun people watching and = tonight with a mutlimedia garden to boot! If you're in the area come say = hello. =3D) ryan.bailey sninesix.design www.viberation.com/ryan La Scala is located at the corner of Civic and North Main in Walnut = Creek. It's big and you can't miss it. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C10D49.CFECC960-- From sfraves-return-68794-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 15 23:33:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38961 invoked by uid 1104); 15 Jul 2001 23:33:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38877 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 23:33:24 -0000 From: MadPnoy19@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:33:07 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e3.178a7e79.28838233_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area51 timeslots? --part1_e3.178a7e79.28838233_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just out of curiosity, will the time slots for Area51 be released before the day of the event? Just so I know how to start planning my room switching. Thanks. -yonderB --part1_e3.178a7e79.28838233_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68795-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 00:23:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64817 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 00:23:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64806 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 00:23:43 -0000 Message-Id: <200107160023.RAA00448@hub1.san-jose.webnexus.net> X-Sender: fenton@mail.webnexus.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:25:34 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Jamie Fenton In-Reply-To: <995015813.92311.ezmlm@hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: sfraves Digest 13 Jul 2001 09:16:53 -0000 Issue 2422 The only large SF venue I can find that does not have a conflict scheduled seems to be Moscone - and they advertise 300,000 sq ft. However their terms seem pretty persnickity. -- Jamie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68796-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 00:26:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67909 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 00:26:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67899 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 00:26:39 -0000 Message-Id: <200107160026.RAA04408@hub1.san-jose.webnexus.net> X-Sender: fenton@mail.webnexus.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:28:30 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Jamie Fenton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ...and my last comment was about the area 51 venue -- Jamie the Spacie Tranny --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68797-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 00:59:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86610 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 00:59:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86600 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 00:59:36 -0000 To: laith@jps.net Cc: aaronhdixon@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:40:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20010715.174041.-1745651.1.oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,10-14,16-17,19-20,26-27,32-33,80-81,83-84,89-92,94-96 From: ooxkandykidxoo@juno.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] JowyJadedKandyKidd, MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) The fallowing is a public service announcement brought to you in party, whoops, i mean, brought to you in party by Jowy the jaded kandy kidd (is there such thing? yup, ask me how you too can join for a low monthly fee! LOL) *WARNING, fallowing post is full of heated and strongly opinionated comments made by myself, noneother than another highly talked about jowy original masterpeice....to make this list a more interesting place to be! :) ....PLEASE reply to sender only when you feel the need to blow steam if necessary, please dont litter the list with instigating or pointless arguing....merci beaucoup Legal or not legal, that it the question.... DANCE + LIVE + LOVE + LISTEN = Legal party DANCE + LIVE + LOVE + LISTEN + DRUGS (plus other related items i.e curfew)= Illegal party *The differece is in the stupid drugs and the stupid curfew set because of these drugs for related reasons* *SHAKE your ghetto sober BOOTY a$$ to the phat bass, all night long, and feel the emotions colide together as we mix all the love, unity, harmony, and serenity into one vibe...stirring slowly and then faster into an energy That explodes into a detailed and complex understanding of truth later realizing now after all this time.....what is that SPECIAL thing that keeps us coming back for MORE!* Ring-a-ding-a-ling, WAKE-up, finally someone else agrees that Whining and crying over laws against our scene DOESNT help but only annoys. political activism works.....why you say? because we are a peaceful dance-music sub culture rich with diversity and other posotive aspects...we are a minority with rights too! Right on and dayam im proud of you kidds. A political movement/demonstration made by the masses of our colorful community seems without a doubt a perfectly legal, safe, fair, peaceful, and productive step in RAVER CIVIL RIGHTS. Finally we can all unite in peace and represent the responsable dance culture we take part in to show and prove to the world that we should have the RIGHT to a WHOLE night of music and dancing that most find spiritually and religiously fulfilling. Although better late than never, Doing things like this in our government right now will work to change things legally in our near future so that we can finally make them realize that STEREOTYPING a cultural minority such as ours with habitual drug use is NOT FAIR, and passing this POOR, STEREOTYPICAL judgment on a happy, smiling, dancing, music loving raver at night to the sound of a dj take our Society a STEP BACK IN THE FIGHT FOR CIVIL RIGHTS IN AMERICA. I dont see how the govenment has any SAY WHATSOEVER or ANY RIGHT to the fact that I am not allowed the rights to MY VERY OWN DAMN body when I chose to soberly shake my booty to the sound of the funky techno beats my girl dj denise is spinning as about maybe 100 more there who are doing the same as myself. WAKE UP SAN FRANCISCO, The time for illegal, unsafe, drug infested partys are over. It is from this type of party that the government finds illegal, that i belive to be EXACLTY one of the reasons why the reputation of our scene has dimineshed and butchered. The demonstration and sacrifice we must make to unpopularize and elliminate drug-use on our dancing floors WILL help move our scene to a place of RESPECT in our society as well as more leanient laws allowing sober ravers the privilage to party ALL NIGHT LONG BABY. Once more, partys thumpin till the break of dawn, legal and permitted without any plug pulled to check, tolerated for all by all, made possible by giving something up we dont need, and getting something more special back instead, like the love we used to share. If Dancing is legal, Living is legal, Loving is legal, and Listening is legal, Raving should be then too.....and all night. "Fight for our dancin' ravers rights!" Its about time we treat and defend our modern dance and music sub-culture like it were important enought to fight for!!!!!!! Make raving and all it's apsects LEGAL by tossing and ridding the drugs most folks assume them to have by replacing it all with sober love that all members of The TRUE responsable "rave scene" belong to. Display proud our many neon colors as we pay tribute to those in the scene who stayed LOYAL. I'm sure that no matter if you are drug user or not, ask yourself this question..."Would you give up all drugs at all dance events forever as to be able to party legally at all hours transforming our community slowly back to the way it was?" I find Our culture to be PRICELESS and DEAR enought to work, fight, and strive for. The drugs create the problems, lose the drugs at partys to help make raves legal because you will find the drugs not worth it in the end....."whats not worth it you say?" LOSING OUR Oldskool and UG SCENE TO THE GOVERNMENT's laws forever...... ___*very opinionated statment against the use of drugs, you dont like it, reply personnaly to me, not to the list*____ mush love so whos the guy with the bright idea about this march on city hall?? Get on it BUB....im here to help anytime!! If I got a Dime for every negative reply regarding my post by a someone who just likes to poorly argue and deabte utill they feel they are right and annoying enough to quit, then I could throw another skills massive in a two days time....just try to remember to discuss, argue, and debate like a big kid with a POINT in mind please... (oO Jowy, the only known Jaded Kandy kidd so far...oOo) *~*Dance, Listen, Love, Live*~* "Fellow Ravers, The TRUE motive for me raving, stands ONLY as it is unquestionable as it is quite remarkably inconceivable" My Picture online: www.facelink.com/elektrictrance17 SFSU AOL IM oOXxKandyKidxXOo oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com (707) 452 8295 FAVORITE DJ's: NAD IS DOG!!!!!!!!! WOO HOO, and oh yeah...that one chick who gave me her tape last thursday and wouldnt leave me alone..funny laugh..kinda short..oh yeah..dj denise, thats her name, i have a feeling one day shes going to spin at a party or something maybe even get big in the local bay area scene... (LOL, kidding for those of you poor gulible saps) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68798-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 00:59:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88248 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 00:59:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88238 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 00:59:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:59:39 -0700 Message-Id: <200107160059.RAA24279@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [63.198.201.90] From: "Stephanie Bitters" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP.COMPRESSION. 7/15 .COMPRESSION. John B. >.COMPRESSION. is every Sunday: An Sabin @ 1176 Sutter & Polk. SF. 10pm-2am. Small venue, big talent. I C Q 35083990 ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68799-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 02:14:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24086 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 02:14:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24076 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 02:14:27 -0000 To: polykleitus@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:21:15 -0700 Message-ID: <20010715.185736.-1574031.5.oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-10,12-13 From: ooxkandykidxoo@juno.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Anyone living at SFSU dorms/daly city area this summer? Hey party kidds, Jowy is moving to Daly City on Sunday the 22nd for SFSU summer schoool crapola, lol anyone cool and nice and super that lives close by to kick it so as i can feel somewhat comfortable 70 miles from home? la la la Moving to Daly City and Doesnt know a Soul, Jowy (oO Jowy - the - kandy - kidd oOo) *~*Dance, Listen, Love, Live*~* "Fellow Ravers, The TRUE motive for me raving, stands ONLY; as unquestionable, & quite remarkably inconceivable as well" My Picture online: www.facelink.com/elektrictrance17 SFSU AOL IM oOXxKandyKidxXOo oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com (707) 452 8295 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68800-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 02:14:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24325 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 02:14:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24223 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 02:14:29 -0000 To: ecko37@pacbell.net Cc: ecko37@pacbell.net, laraz@hyperreal.org, innocentchild@hotmail.com, frequency-8@squinky.org, bubzie33@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20010715.185736.-1574031.4.oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 13-16,18-19 From: ooxkandykidxoo@juno.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] my 0.02 about list litter, purple moon bunnys, and turning the other cheak, lol just my mesley pathetic $0.02 about all of this LIST LITTER with the subject title "Re: [sfraves] July 27th The Unity Vibe Tribe invite you once again to reunity as all one! The third anual all one!!!" and it regarding "kenneths and Erics" replys and hate and drama and bla bla bla whatever, heres an idea that works, do like the big boys do it, ignore all negative feedback and it elliminates a lot of unneeded drama posted all over the list, sometimes the arguing gets repetative going over and over and over and over already repeating debated topics until they sight of one more in my e-mail inbox makes me want to scream, the lagging intrest of such shitty drama makes it dreaded, i suggest taking an popularity pole and see who actually cares.....i guesstimate a slim 10%, if that....making more people upset hearing about it, dont argue so much on the list, it gets all played out and only makes a bad name for the annoying nit twit, so do what jesus did and turn the other cheak (oO Jowy - the - kandy - kidd oOo) *~*Dance, Listen, Love, Live*~* "Fellow Ravers, The TRUE motive for me raving, stands ONLY; as unquestionable, & quite remarkably inconceivable as well" My Picture online: www.facelink.com/elektrictrance17 SFSU AOL IM oOXxKandyKidxXOo oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com (707) 452 8295 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68801-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 02:14:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24413 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 02:14:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24342 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 02:14:30 -0000 To: karmacatt@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:01:38 -0700 Message-ID: <20010715.185736.-1574031.3.oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-11,13-18,20-21 From: ooxkandykidxoo@juno.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Yea... Ascension review :o) wussup wussup, hey kid, it me, Jo-E the kandy kidd, Jowy the jaded kandy kidd, Joey, whatever name i have been given...all the confusioN!! aaahh, but yeah, i just turned 18 and went to accention last thurs, wore a grey SFSU sweatshirt, first 18+ event i think....only went for denise cuz i told her id go to see her spin there when I turned 18 and i did....but liked it all in the long run...i was surprised to run into like a billion people i knew considering im still new to the club scene thingy and have been used to raves for the past four years....but yah, ya'll hit me up next time you see me.......late late!! (oO Jowy - the - kandy - kidd oOo) *~*Dance, Listen, Love, Live*~* "Fellow Ravers, The TRUE motive for me raving, stands ONLY; as unquestionable, & quite remarkably inconceivable as well" My Picture online: www.facelink.com/elektrictrance17 SFSU AOL IM oOXxKandyKidxXOo oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com (707) 452 8295 (oO Jowy - the - kandy - kidd oOo) *~*Dance, Listen, Love, Live*~* "Fellow Ravers, The TRUE motive for me raving, stands ONLY; as unquestionable, & quite remarkably inconceivable as well" My Picture online: www.facelink.com/elektrictrance17 SFSU AOL IM oOXxKandyKidxXOo oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com (707) 452 8295 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68802-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 02:47:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43516 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 02:47:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43503 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 02:47:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.81.71.15] From: "Sean M" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:46:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 02:46:31.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[84BC6740:01C10DA1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **HAPPY KIDS*** REVIEW Well i have to say that last nite at Legend was a bunch of fun. When i heard Chris C and Madam Zu were spinning i promised myself i wouldn't miss out--they are like two of my favortite DJ's/producers. I cant believe they are actually touring the U.S. thats hella cool. Any way i brought my friend along and it was his first party and when we got there at like 11:00 we weren't to thrilled about throwin down $40 for tickets--i guess happy kids thought more people would show. Raising tix to $40 really ate up all my cash--oh well i guess i can't complain i had fun. When we got inside we had a kick ass time sliding around on the ice. But after the party started goin we were like "ok now were do we dance?" After fallin on our asses and doing the splits multiple times we reasoned that we were less likely to injure ourselves and freeze to death if we stuck to the happycore room(which was a lot warmer and more fun.)--->(oh yeah and it wasn't raining in there either. haha) But after dancin to 200 bpm songs for a while i avoided a heart attack and went to check out Chris C's and Madam Zu's sets. I have to say that they were explosive! The best NRG i have ever heard came out of those speakers for 2 hours! I got Chris To sign his cd or me and he said he might be back to the bay area before the end of the tour. Can't wait. That music was my favorite of the night. Anyway enuff dj worship... Caught most of the sets i wanted to hear. Saw old friends and met some new ones. Nice talkin to ya John. I hope u liked my artwork. Anyway i'd say the nite was a success. Props to Happy kids, and thanks to all the beautiful people who made the party enjoyable. Peace and lotsa love, Sean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68803-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 03:22:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57798 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 03:22:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57780 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 03:22:11 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c10da4$e0c09680$0206a8c0@josh> From: "Josh.Illion" To: , "sfraves" , "sacraves" , Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:10:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C10D6A.33CAAEA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ]] BSP [[ Colossal Music Festival 2001 ]] BSP [[ ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C10D6A.33CAAEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Colossal Music Festival 2001 Saturday September 15th, 2001 Global 1, Featuring: Techno/Trance/NRG Angel Alanis - A Squared/Champion Sound/angelalanis.com, Chicago (Cd = Release "Accelerated Motion") Barry Weaver - Equinox Music, San Diego Rick V - In Tha Mix Recordings/Clockwork eventz, Sacramento Ron Reeser aka RKTECH - Clockwork eventz, San Francisco=20 David Garcia - Solmatic/Soulphusion/Radioactive DJ's, San Francisco Joey Mazzola - AM Crew/Radioactive DJ's, San Francisco Vince - In Tha Mix Recordings, Sacramento DJ D - www.dj-d.com, Berkley Ultraman - Divine Intervention, Sacramento Yokozuna - Divine Intervention, Sacremento Junio - Divine Intervention, Sacremento/Taipei Global 2, Featuring: Drum & Bass/Jungle R.A.W. - Surveillance Sound/Los Angeles Machete - Respect/Junglist Platoon, Los Angeles C.R.S. - Tonz of Drumz/Herbn Music/Rufnek, Los Angeles Billy Lane - Black Locust/916 Junglist, Sacremento DJ Tao - Black Locust/Insomniac, Sacramento Slim - Black Locust/UMS, Sacramento Megatron - Mecehasoul/ASR, San Francisco Tofu De La Moore - Black Locust/UMS, Sacramento DJ Push - True Intent/Futurebreaks/FM/Etnie, San Francisco MC L-Ski - Black Locust/ARC Recordings, Sacramento DJ Eva - Sleeveless/Etnies, San Francisco Frost - Foundation/Black Locust, Sacramento Global 3, Featuring: HardNRG/Progressive House/Trance/Funky House Thomas Trouble - Blutonium Records/The Agency/theagencysanfrancisco.com, = San Francisco vs.=20 Paul Grogan - Rampant Records Fame, Los Angeles SF's leading trance DJ/Producer Thomas Trouble has teamed up with LA = legend Paul Grogan for an explosive 2 x 4 set. This event is also the offical = record release party for this duo's new monster track "Maxima". The suspense is = high and you guys will be the first to hear it.... at Colossal!!! Frank Nitty vs. DJ Ghost (Ghost Tribe, Bay Area) This pair of SF legends are going head to head on a 2 x 4 set that you=20 wont want to miss as everyone remembers them from the old school days. JAXX The Ripper - Ultasounz/www.djAjax.com, San Francisco Freddy - In Tha Mix/Natrillykleen, Sacramento Dragn'Fly - Teknique/Epiphany, Sacramento Dyloot - Skills, Berkeley Tom Slick - Skills, Berkeley Kendra French - Girls are DJ's Too, Sacramento DJ Menace - Kreative Ent., Sacramento Global 4, Hosted By Elysium Music International, Featuring a LIVE VIP = Stage!!! Exclusive Live Preformance By: Sarina Paris (sarinaparis.com) Priority/Playland Recording artist Sarina Paris with her debut album=20 featuring the smash hit singles "Look at Us" and "Just about enough" Look for her new album to be released in September. Be the first to hear = it at Colossal Music Festival 2001!!! Lee Foster - Elysium Music, England UK You will not want to miss this historcal preformance as Lee Foster takes = to American turntables for the first time ever! He has become one of the = most well respected DJ's on the circut in the UK and abroad, now he will show Ameria why! DJ Emotion - Elysium Music, Calgary Canada Dean Kroh - Elysium Music, California - LIVE/Turntables Kidloose - Feelgood Entertainment, San Francisco Headcase - Elysium Music, California DJ Liquid - Journees Music/Remix/Million Wishes, San Francisco Limacon - Elysium Music, Santa Cruz - LIVE PA Temp:o - Elysium Music, California R.Z. - Elysium Music, California Free CD, Tape, T-shirt giveaways from Elysium Music. DJ Liquid's offical CD release + giveaways from Remix Clothing ------------- Colossal Global Entertainment presents the ultimate interactive dance = festival. Hosted in a massive virgin location, experience the vibe that only the = best, top-notch, preformers of the millennium, can deliver. Featuring = international artists as well as your favorite local DJ's EXCLUSIVE FEATURED INTERNATIONAL PREFORMERS Lee Foster (Elysium Music, UK) Lee has played in many of the UK's super-clubs. He has a polished and = diverse trance style and is quick to adapt to his enviroment. This will be his = first US=20 appearance and slready we feel dsure it wont be his last. DJ Emotion (Elysium Music, Canada) DJ Emotion is returning to California once again to deliver a mind = blowing preformance. Since her last apperance in SF she has become a global icon = will all UK hardhouse/NRG fans. If you missed her 1999, you DO NOT want = to miss this very rare Northern California apperance. MASSIVE SOUND AND LIGHTING BY: Divine Interventions/Stim-U-Lights Buy your presales early to avoid lines and no entry.=20 $25.00 now, $30 after Aug.15, $40.00 @ The Door By online @ groovetickets.com All presale holders are guaranteed quick entry. Party responsibly, all ages welcome.=20 100% fully permitted super virgin venue.=20 One our from the Bay, One Hour From Sacremento!!! Gates open 4:00pm sharp This is a ALL DAY - ALL NIGHT event!!! Tickets: Sacramento - Dimple Records (916) 925-2600 Sacramento - The Beat (916) 442-0499=20 Sacramento - In Tha Mix (916) 442-0499 Davis - Armadillo (530) 758-8058 Fairfeild - Rock On (707) 422-2028 Stockton/Modesto - The Vinyl Shop (209) 238-9734 Berkeley - Skills (510) 204-9876 San Francisco - F8 Records (415) 221-4142 San Francisco - Spundae Records (415) 575-1580 Peninsula/South Bay - Ultasounz (650) 871-4170 San Jose - Solid Grooves (408) 248-6399 INFO ON THIS EVENT 800-615-5071 :: 916-431-3146 colossalmusicfest.com globalmusic69@hotmail.com =20 Josh Illion - josh@elysiumusic.com Executive Producer/Artist Management Elysium Music International http://www.elysiumusic.com Telephone/Fax: 1.877.504.2887 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C10D6A.33CAAEA0-- From sfraves-return-68804-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 05:41:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19878 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 05:41:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19861 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 05:41:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c10db9$99692440$4795d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: "John B." , Cc: , Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:38:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? yeah im kinda thinkin piers 30/32, too -----Original Message----- From: John B. To: ascend@ix.netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org ; sacraves@hyperreal.org Date: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? > >'Kay... I gotta jump in with MY wacky guess... > >I'm thinking piers 30/32 in San Francisco... where the Warped >Tour and the X-Games are held. > > >cya there, (wherever) > >john > > > >> >--- Greg Sandler wrote: >> > > Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED >> > > AREA 51 VENUE information? >> > > >> > > Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA >> > > 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue >> > > information... >> > > >> > > Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 >> > > is going to take place... I will give a free ticket >> > > to the first person that gets the right answer! >> > > >> > > Peace and love, >> > > >> > > Greg Sandler > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68805-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 06:01:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29464 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 06:01:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29449 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 06:01:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.105.89.211] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:01:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 06:01:10.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6454410:01C10DBC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] LEGEND Review Aight... thought I'd chime in on this one too.. Walked in with DJ Pat about 11:30.. to be instantly cold it seemed like.. haha.. but I was in awe of the setup. Weren't too many people there when I walked in.. but it was still early. Went straight to the Hardcore room.. thank god it wasn't on the ice.. and I was nice and warm. Climaxxx was dropping some good stuff when I walked in.. he warmed up the crowd big time in the Hardcore room.. he definately set the tone for the night. At midnight on came Valerie Sparks.. and damn.. not because I know her and she's a great friend or anything.. and not because we're part of the same crew.. but this girl compeletely rocked the crowd. I've seen her play a lot of sets and heard her play a lot of tracks.. but I'd have to say this was the night she really defined herself as a DJ.. she gets better and better each time I see her.. and this was by far the best set I've seen her play. She got the crowd jumpin hard and with madd energy.. she displays lots of energy while she plays.. she's just a great DJ.. I not only respect her as a friend.. but I have the upmost respect for her as a DJ. Next I came up to the decks.. and I have to say.. I was a little hesitant to see what a slower pace would do to the crowd.. since everyone was feelin the 170+bpms.. but man.. I will say this.. Thanks to everyone who was in the HHC room for supporting US Hard House.. Legend is definately in my top 5 parties played of all time now! Paulina Taylor came up next.. dropped anthem after anthem.. he was good.. even rocked 3 tables on occasion. Cloudskipper came up.. and man.. again.. completely BLEW my mind. The skill he displays on the decks always blows me away.. no one loves HHC like him.. and he seemed to come out with a mission.. to educate! Starting off with old school hardcore.. he worked his way year by year into the new stuff.. completely taking the crowd on a journey. Again.. probably one of the best sets I've ever seen him drop. After this.. I was pretty damn tired.. playing 3 parties in one weekend tends to kill energy pretty quick.. but I did catch about 15 min of Kid Cosmo's set.. definately was pleasing the crowd.. that's for sure! BIG MASSIVE props to Nueroscience for their sound.. I've played on their sound a couple times now.. and I've always been thuroughly impressed! I spoke to Andy a couple days prior to the party.. and asked a few things out of him.. and the man came through.. seriously.. these guys have the best sound speaker by speaker in the bay.. and they actually know how to run it! Big props again to everyone who came out to support Harder music that night.. I had a blast.. if you couldn't tell.. seriously. Hope to see everyone out at Electric Jello on Friday... I'll have probably upwards of 40 CDs to give out. Props to Happy Kids on the 4 Year.. I had an AWESOME time! Andy Tronic http://www.liquidvinyldjs.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68806-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 06:15:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33501 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 06:15:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33489 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 06:15:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.200.48.155] From: "Susan Gwartney" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:14:50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 06:14:51.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F81B630:01C10DBE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] scratchpad it's 11pm on a sunday evening and the dull yellow light from the streetlight outside is quietly drifting in through the blinds and calming my brain. ani difranco is having much the same effect. i had an experience the other night which has changed my perception of music; i was violently forced into the realization that behind every song is a group of human beings who are speaking out and hoping that maybe this way through, someone will listen and hear what they so desperately need to say. i've so effectively been able to dehumanize music for most of my life. i think i have poetically tried to cling to the idea that music is some kind of naturally occurring phenomena, and perhaps it is. for some reason i seem to want to reject the idea that it started out as a formless thought in someone's head, and underwent an amazing process of transformation before it came to visit me through the speakers of an empty house. the house is empty because when i am here alone, i am empty too. when i went to my first rave three years ago, i realized that i had been living in empty houses my entire life. i had been asleep while thousands of people were awake and alive. as we drove around the block in oakland looking for parking, i could hear the music thumping and my heart leaped out of my chest, chiding me for having taken so long to bring it to this place where all hearts beat in synch, where the music moves your blood and where the house is full in a way you could never have imagined. i walked in and i couldn't stop myself from rushing into the crowd and immersing myself in the music, instinctively dancing that rhythmic writhing that travels the line between bliss and agony, and sharing life with two thousand other people who, like me, didn't ask to be born but now they are here on this earth and trying to make the best of it just like everybody else. the length of time it takes to build frustration is directly proportionate to the feeling of release once it finally occurs, and over the course of 6 hours, i released 27 years of frustration. i danced until my limbs could take no more, and then i sat down and talked to hundreds of people till my throat and lungs could take no more, then i got up and danced some more. i hugged people for the first time in my life and i cried without being able to, so happy and relieved that the tears could not come, only the feeling of overwhelming poignancy and gratitude that i am alive. i am alive. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68807-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 07:04:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50938 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 07:03:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50788 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 07:03:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716070332.86860.qmail@web14104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: envirogirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] oregon :) hey there everyone :) i'm in the middle of a three week trip in the northwest (where i'm originally from). it's so beautiful up here...... if you haven't ever been to the northwest before you need to take a road trip up here sometime...... the trees and forests and natural life are all so amazing. i went to a really awesome hippy event thingy last friday in the woods near eugene called the oregon country fair (anyone ever gone?)...... there's no electronic music or anything, but it definitely has the same kind of vibe as a rave...... lots of happy, smiling people :) i miss partying, though...... and i know i'm missing some really great parties (happy kids last night being one of them). i won't be back till the end of july, so i won't be seeing you all until then :) i'll be at trees n beats, though. does anyone know the scoop on ug events in portland, seattle or vancouver, bc? i've tried the nw raves list, but they aren't helping me much...... there's not nearly as many party kids up here as there are in sf...... although i did go to a club in portland and they definitely know what's up :) anyway, i hope everyone is having a wonderful summer! see you all soon :) ~envirogirl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68808-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 07:35:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63476 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 07:35:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63466 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 07:35:16 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Sfraves" , "Scr@Socal-Raves. Org" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:30:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Reveiw: SoCal UG Saturday Hey everyone: For those who are interested or didn't make it, here's a quick review of the cool underground i got to help throw on Saturday in LA. After 8 hours of driving (2 of which involved getting out of San Francisco) I finally arrived in LA at my friend Belli AKA MisterSkinner's house, and we made the few last minute emails and preparations for the party. The next day, we set off to our location to set up, and behold; there was a wedding reception happening a few feet away from our location! This was naturally a slight hitch, but we augmented our chalk directions on the sidewalk to say 12 midnite, which was when it was delayed until. We then went back to Belli's house, and played Tekken 3 until we could go back up. Though different from the typical UG flavour, I arrived in a limo, as one of the DJ's drove one as his day job (!) To my surprise, when we returned at midnite, there were people still there, waiting for the party! (Special thanks to those who waited 4 us). We set up our equipment and only then did we realise just how awesome our location was. It was on an outside dining patio at an old corporate headquarters that was now converted into part of a college. The cool thing was all the corporate art was still there, so we had our tables under the moonlight, with a huge fountain made of cold steel towering behind the DJ, with water flowing down the concrete just behind the setup. It was awesome. We had about 22 people show up, and it seemed everyone enjoyed it. Each and every DJ did a smashing job, and I even noticed a couple people movin' to my trance/progressive house set =) Apart from the slight delay, the party went off without a hitch. The campus's security even came and welcomed us to could stay, as the location was so surrounded by carved out hillside and a building that one coulnd't even hear the amplified music in the surrounding resedential neighbourhood. It was definitely an awesome nite. Anyways, sorry if because of the delay you were left in the dark (i hope your night was awesome anyways) and thankyou to all you old friends and new faces who showed your support and helped make it happen. It was good to see you all there. .:nomadic:. .: dance like no one's watching .:. www.nomadicDJ.com :. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68809-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 08:22:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78837 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 08:22:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78817 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 08:22:53 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:23:09 -0700 From: MODA To: Guillermo , "John B." , CC: sfraves , sacraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c10db9$99692440$4795d6cf@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? HOME BASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) MODA On 7/15/01 10:38 PM, "Guillermo" wrote: > yeah im kinda thinkin piers 30/32, too > -----Original Message----- > From: John B. > To: ascend@ix.netcom.com > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org ; sacraves@hyperreal.org > > Date: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> 'Kay... I gotta jump in with MY wacky guess... >>=20 >> I'm thinking piers 30/32 in San Francisco... where the Warped >> Tour and the X-Games are held. >>=20 >>=20 >> cya there, (wherever) >>=20 >> john >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>>> --- Greg Sandler wrote: >>>>> Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED >>>>> AREA 51 VENUE information? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA >>>>> 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue >>>>> information... >>>>>=20 >>>>> Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 >>>>> is going to take place... 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Forthcoming Site for Lucas Entertainment's Presidio Project! 8) MODA On 7/15/01 10:38 PM, "Guillermo" wrote: > yeah im kinda thinkin piers 30/32, too > -----Original Message----- > From: John B. > To: ascend@ix.netcom.com > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org ; sacraves@hyperreal.org > > Date: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> 'Kay... I gotta jump in with MY wacky guess... >>=20 >> I'm thinking piers 30/32 in San Francisco... where the Warped >> Tour and the X-Games are held. >>=20 >>=20 >> cya there, (wherever) >>=20 >> john >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>>> --- Greg Sandler wrote: >>>>> Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED >>>>> AREA 51 VENUE information? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA >>>>> 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue >>>>> information... >>>>>=20 >>>>> Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 >>>>> is going to take place... 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But I jus' totally thought of something! They fight like all the time due to the fact that they live in the saem house, right? But if Jerry were to move away, then there wouldn't be any problems! I mean, I know that would defeat the purpose of what the show's all about, but I dunno! Hmmmm... I'd start talkin' about Scooby Doo, but oh man, there's jus' too much food for thought on that one now! Hmmmm! Have A Good Week all =) == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68812-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 14:23:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66221 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 14:23:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66202 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 14:23:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:24:43 -0700 From: dr_XeNo To: The Davis Family , SacRaves , SFRaves Cc: Hojab Jomehri Reply-to: drXeNo@drxeno.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_y/uBjJuDki43DQiO5cKgUA)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA f. Hoj 07.16.01 --Boundary_(ID_y/uBjJuDki43DQiO5cKgUA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey Kidz... Hello there, fabulous ppl! Great news -- T-IE is now back every Monday nite. We'll continue to bring the best choons, but now we'll be doing every week, like before. As Jackie and Kassia have now moved onto to greater things in the UK, we'll now be following Kelleygroove and DJ Erupt's fantasmic electronic show, United State. We're still giving you 4 straight hours of dancin'! Live and let Progress! Tonite we have the man behind much of the love for progressive house in Davis and Sacramento. Hoj will bring the deep progressive layers to our ears live in the studio. You need to check him out, for he shall be leaving soon for new pastures in LA! Stay chooned... ;-) *Let the Music Get You High* TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA 90.3FM KDVS, Davis CA Monday Nights 10pm - Midnite RealAudio Streaming RealAudio Streaming Archive of Last Show Download RealAudio Last Show Request Lines: 530.752.2777 530.752.2778 Tonite - Monday, July 16, 2001: Featuring: Hoj/dilated, Davis TiX Giveaways: Area 51/Harmony Productions Other Giveaways: Hoj's latest mixtape, Progress Ward Kadel <<>> drXeNo@drxeno.net www.drxeno.net Producer, TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA Monday nights, 10pm -Midnite on KDVS 90.3FM Davis, CA www.drxeno.net/tek/ IM: drXeNo6; ICQ: 18463830; IRC/EFNET: dr_XeNo; Yahoo! Msgr: dr_XeNo6 --Boundary_(ID_y/uBjJuDki43DQiO5cKgUA)-- From sfraves-return-68813-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 15:00:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97772 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 15:00:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97756 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 15:00:42 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: deepfog@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:54:53 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] **HAPPY KIDS*** REVIEW $40 tickets???? i hope for THAT price you got a velvet golf ball or something. i remember paying $20 for rock concerts when i was a kid, then $10-$15 for raves back in the day...really lavish parties were $25...unfortunately lavish in the rave scene is often synonymous with too many people... ...how about a happy kid marty action figure? >Well i have to say that last nite at Legend was a bunch of fun. >When i heard Chris C and Madam Zu were spinning i promised myself i >wouldn't miss out--they are like two of my favortite DJ's/producers. >I cant believe they are actually touring the U.S. thats hella cool. >Any way i brought my friend along and it was his first party and >when we got there at like 11:00 we weren't to thrilled about throwin >down $40 for tickets--i guess happy kids thought more people would >show. Raising tix to $40 really ate up all my cash--oh well i guess >i can't complain i had fun. > >When we got inside we had a kick ass time sliding around on the ice. >But after the party started goin we were like "ok now were do we >dance?" >After fallin on our asses and doing the splits multiple times we >reasoned that we were less likely to injure ourselves and freeze to >death if we stuck to the happycore room(which was a lot warmer and >more fun.)--->(oh yeah and it wasn't raining in there either. haha) > >But after dancin to 200 bpm songs for a while i avoided a heart >attack and went to check out Chris C's and Madam Zu's sets. I have >to say that they were explosive! The best NRG i have ever heard >came out of those speakers for 2 hours! I got Chris To sign his cd >or me and he said he might be back to the bay area before the end of >the tour. Can't wait. That music was my favorite of the night. >Anyway enuff dj worship... > >Caught most of the sets i wanted to hear. Saw old friends and met >some new ones. Nice talkin to ya John. I hope u liked my artwork. >Anyway i'd say the nite was a success. Props to Happy kids, and >thanks to all the beautiful people who made the party enjoyable. > >Peace and lotsa love, >Sean >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68814-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 15:01:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99458 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 15:01:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99447 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 15:01:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Mon) Don't take life too seriously -- you'll never get out of it alive. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68815-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 15:17:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16061 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 15:17:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16044 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 15:17:48 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Sfraves" , Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:07:26 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Tom & Jerry I think there would be problems! You see, Tom and Jerry both have internal problems which they take out on each other. They both need each other to take out those problems phsyically, and if Jerry were to move away, then all that tension would just build up inside both of them. It would probably erupt with Jerry returning to torch the house, or Tom tracking down Jerry. If we could set up surveillance camera's, phone taps, and keyboard input recorders in every home, we would be able to track down problems like these before they blow up into domestic violence (as in Tom and Jerry's case) and provide proper mediated councelling. Big Brother is Watching . . . have a good week =) --nomadic .: dance like no one's watching .:. www.nomadicDJ.com :. -----Original Message----- From: Osby [mailto:osby@ratkoonrat.net] Sent: 16 July 2001 02:25 To: The_List Subject: [sfraves] Tom & Jerry Importance: Low I've been watching Cartoon Network endlessly for the past few weeks now & well, it's kinda sad that I know that @ 6AM in the morn, they show Tom and Jerry! But I jus' totally thought of something! They fight like all the time due to the fact that they live in the saem house, right? But if Jerry were to move away, then there wouldn't be any problems! I mean, I know that would defeat the purpose of what the show's all about, but I dunno! Hmmmm... I'd start talkin' about Scooby Doo, but oh man, there's jus' too much food for thought on that one now! Hmmmm! Have A Good Week all =) == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68816-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 15:29:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27918 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 15:29:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27904 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 15:29:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716152906.95135.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tera Ball To: DJ Tronic , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2103362731-995297346=:93216" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] LEGEND Review --0-2103362731-995297346=:93216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just have to say that this was one of the worse HK's parties I have ever been to! I always have fun at their parties, but this was weak. I mean you couldn't dance at all on the ice with out totally straining yourself. And if you stood off the ice you couldn't hear the music. The only warm room with a real floor was the HHC room! That was totally wack! And we got their at like 2 and they were still charging $40! I think they need to get over this whole ice raving crap! That party would have prolly been reall cool if it was in a normal place! Tera DJ Tronic wrote: Aight... thought I'd chime in on this one too.. Walked in with DJ Pat about 11:30.. to be instantly cold it seemed like.. haha.. but I was in awe of the setup. Weren't too many people there when I walked in.. but it was still early. Went straight to the Hardcore room.. thank god it wasn't on the ice.. and I was nice and warm. Climaxxx was dropping some good stuff when I walked in.. he warmed up the crowd big time in the Hardcore room.. he definately set the tone for the night. At midnight on came Valerie Sparks.. and damn.. not because I know her and she's a great friend or anything.. and not because we're part of the same crew.. but this girl compeletely rocked the crowd. I've seen her play a lot of sets and heard her play a lot of tracks.. but I'd have to say this was the night she really defined herself as a DJ.. she gets better and better each time I see her.. and this was by far the best set I've seen her play. She got the crowd jumpin hard and with madd energy.. she displays lots of energy while she plays.. she's just a great DJ.. I not only respect her as a friend.. but I have the upmost respect for her as a DJ. Next I came up to the decks.. and I have to say.. I was a little hesitant to see what a slower pace would do to the crowd.. since everyone was feelin the 170+bpms.. but man.. I will say this.. Thanks to everyone who was in the HHC room for supporting US Hard House.. Legend is definately in my top 5 parties played of all time now! Paulina Taylor came up next.. dropped anthem after anthem.. he was good.. even rocked 3 tables on occasion. Cloudskipper came up.. and man.. again.. completely BLEW my mind. The skill he displays on the decks always blows me away.. no one loves HHC like him.. and he seemed to come out with a mission.. to educate! Starting off with old school hardcore.. he worked his way year by year into the new stuff.. completely taking the crowd on a journey. Again.. probably one of the best sets I've ever seen him drop. After this.. I was pretty damn tired.. playing 3 parties in one weekend tends to kill energy pretty quick.. but I did catch about 15 min of Kid Cosmo's set.. definately was pleasing the crowd.. that's for sure! BIG MASSIVE props to Nueroscience for their sound.. I've played on their sound a couple times now.. and I've always been thuroughly impressed! I spoke to Andy a couple days prior to the party.. and asked a few things out of him.. and the man came through.. seriously.. these guys have the best sound speaker by speaker in the bay.. and they actually know how to run it! Big props again to everyone who came out to support Harder music that night.. I had a blast.. if you couldn't tell.. seriously. Hope to see everyone out at Electric Jello on Friday... I'll have probably upwards of 40 CDs to give out. Props to Happy Kids on the 4 Year.. I had an AWESOME time! Andy Tronic http://www.liquidvinyldjs.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-2103362731-995297346=:93216-- From sfraves-return-68817-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 17:21:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25942 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 17:21:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25919 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 17:21:00 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.39.2.53] From: "j ->son" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:20:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 17:20:32.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E7F4010:01C10E1B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Reggae on the River Who'z going besides me and eight of my closest and coolest friends? http://www.reggaeontheriver.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68818-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 17:29:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33409 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 17:29:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33391 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 17:29:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716172931.9774.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] srr - rts noted as a terrorist threat http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress01/freeh051001.htm ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68819-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 17:45:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46095 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 17:45:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45999 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 17:45:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:42:02 -0700 From: Feel Good To: Sac Raves List , SFRaves Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B53276A.85771EBB@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HNOUSE DJ Pupularity Poll Who are your favorite Bay Area / Nor Cal 'HOUSE' DJ's? Thanks for the feedback :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68820-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 17:51:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51239 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 17:51:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51229 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 17:51:12 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <011e01c10e1e$3f26ce00$271be9d1@kelly> From: "kryptyk" To: "Sfraves@Hyperreal.Org" , Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:39:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0119_01C10DE3.8C7FAF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HALFLIFE - monday night drum and bass - SISTER SF DOMINATION EVE w/ xjs, seraphim, linzee, zigmund void ------=_NextPart_000_0119_01C10DE3.8C7FAF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // HALFLIFE // // 07.16.2001 // monday night drum and bass - an sibin SISTER SF DOMINATION EVE XJS SERAPHIM LINZEE (mc) ZIGMUND VOID welcome to SERAPHIM -- the newest member of the halflife crew! we're = psyched to have you on board, sarah! thanks to everyone who came out last week. it was our best night yet = and definitely one of the best vibes in town for *any* night of the = week. this week, we have the darker side of sister sf, w/ return visits = from XJS and SERAPHIM, vocals by LINZEE and opening set by resident = ZIGMUND VOID. for more info, maps, demos and large floral arrangements, check out = www.geocities.com/halflifesf an sibin 1176 sutter [x polk] - sf 9:30 --2 -- $3 cover after 10 21+ please peace ------=_NextPart_000_0119_01C10DE3.8C7FAF40-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-68821-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 18:01:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59453 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 18:01:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59442 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 18:01:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716180141.1693.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:01:41 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: "j ->son" , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Reggae on the River oh! i am so there! gonna go in style in a big RV! woohoo! i'm sooo stoked! this will be my first time going. --- "j ->son" wrote: > Who'z going besides me and eight of my closest and > coolest friends? > > http://www.reggaeontheriver.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68822-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 18:15:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75933 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 18:15:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75921 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 18:15:24 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:26:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: A Sad Day For Hip Hop RIP Poetic =================================== SAD DAY IN HIP HOP AS POETIC PASSES by Planetmeridian On Sunday, July 15, 2001, 1:45pm EST at Cedar Sinai Hospital in California, Anthony Berkeley aka Poetic of The Gravediggaz succumbed to his two year battle with metastatic colon cancer. Poetic had been fighting for his life for the past two years, every since he collapsed in the studio in 1999 from stomach pains and became diagnosed with the dreaded disease, cancer. At the time he was give 3 months to live. A non-profit organization called The Life Goes On Foundation (LifeFoundation@aol.com) was established in his honor to help raise money for his medical bills and bring further awareness to his cause and the cause of others stricken with debilitating illnesses. The Gravediggaz came on the scene in 1995 after dropping their album 6 Feet Deep (Niggamortis). They then turned the industry on its collective heads in 1997 with the release of The Pick, The Sickle and the Shovel (Gee Street) which showcased the "horror" of oppression and the hard "core" realities of life. Originally the group consisted of RZA of Wu Tang Clan, Frukwan of Stetsasonic, Prince Paul, renowned producer of De La Soul and Poetic aka The Grym Reaper of The Brothers Grym. The RZA was unable to contribute to the new album Nightmare in A-Minor (Echo International), set to drop August 23 but that obviously has no effect on the versatility that shines through on the singles Rest in Da East b/w Nightmare in A-Minor and on the album. "Poetic was the brother I never had," says Frukwan. "I love him dearly and I always will, we always had each others back. He did this album, despite this illness and showed a true love for hip hop against all odds." It's true that Poetic fought the odds, going into the studio despite the nausea and pain that came with cancer treatments, he never stopped his creativity for this album. It shows intensely on songs like Burn Baby Burn where he rhymes about the horrors of cancer and how he dealt with it. Poetics lyrics stream forth from a mind faced with terrible realities. In April 1999 he was diagnosed with metastatic colon cancer and was given 4 months to live. Poetic and Frukwan sort through a milieu of social and private issues. Poetics anger, rage and determination clearly shows on this album, that he has no problems rhyming about his disease, it's effects, or anything else that pisses him off. "I was honored to have worked with him," says Prince Paul, "whatever he has done musically is going to live on, and I am proud to have been a part of that." Jeffrey Collins adds, "Everyone here at Echo International is saddened by this tremendous loss. We knew he was a fighter and prayed for him to pull through, but we will do our best to make sure his music is heard around the world. People deserve to hear what he had to say." Lisa "Chase" Patterson and Hard Hittin Harry at Meridian Entertainment would just like to say, "Poetic was not just a client, he was a brother and a close friend, words cannot express how we feel right now, we just know we will miss him immensely. Poetic wouldn't want anyone mourning for him, he would want everyone to celebrate his life and his new album." Memorial services will be set up shortly, please contact Chase or Harry at Meridian Entertainment for further information. For More information contact: Meridian Entertainment 201.521.9742 email: planetmeridian@aol.com ===================== WENDY DAY'S TRIBUTE I guess by now you've heard that Poetic from The GraveDiggaz passed away today [Sunday July 15 2001]. He finally succumbed to the cancer that has been eating through his body for the past year. Poetic, more than just a recording artist, used to come to the monthly seminars Rap Coalition organized in New York for six years. Unless he was recording or on tour, he rarely missed one of these educational events because he was completely dedicated to learning as much as he could, and to teaching up and coming artists about the music business. He was never too proud to explain to a room full of starry-eyed hopefuls, what he had been through and how he still lived in a basement apartment beneath his sister's house even after a successful album was released. Although he loved his chosen field (he made beats as well as rhymed), he always stressed how business HAD to come first and the love of the art form second. He was always eager to share stories of his escapades with his record label, and how things were never as they seemed. Poetic was truly a gifted human being and an incredible talent who will sorely be missed by the music industry that he touched repeatedly by sharing his wisdom, his experiences, and in the last year of his life, his strength. He was a true warrior. Wendy Day Rap Coalition --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68823-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 18:15:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76044 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 18:15:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76026 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 18:15:27 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.170.134.222] From: "IU / KS" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:14:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 18:14:58.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[3929A7C0:01C10E23] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP - zac hyrax @ the O2 Greeting all... This week, Sunday, July 15th Kyoti Sound System brings you another installment of :::OffWorld:Sessions::: A bi-weekly event for your listening pleasure. Every other sunday, 7-9pm Ambientech Hypnotic drumandbass Eclectic musiks from all over earth and as they manifest Live electronic and organic sets from various KSS crew and guests Bi-weekly on the decks:::zac hyrax:::warmandfuzzyand has some new unfathomably twisted sounds this week to share with you. The O2 bar supplies: Oxygen, Potent herbal elixirs, Chill ambience, Comfy chairs. Come down and bring a book; the environment is a sweet place to be at twilight on a slow sunday... This event precedes "Echolocation", also on the same evening. Sound by Anon, Visuals by Girlie8. This week's Echolocation brings you BVdub out of SF. Ever evolving, his taste in trax is second to none, he is spinning positively the most beautiful future music, challenging and dEEp... The 2202 Oxygen Bar 2202 Valencia St. @ 19th San Francisco 415.255.2102 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68824-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 18:55:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12577 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 18:55:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12566 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 18:55:09 -0000 Message-ID: <002e01c10e29$4660edd0$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:58:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] My review of Focus and Legend Okay..So here is what I thought of these two parties.. Friday started with me waiting around for Kevin to drop his flyers off at my house, witch never happened so we wasted a few hours there. Then we call the info line and apparently it was down due to scheduled maintenance that they apparently had not scheduled with the people that own voice mail boxes. So after we get directions we drive up to freakmont and get energy drinks and try and find the map point...Once we got to the pool hall we found ravers running around the parking lot asking everyone where the rave was and yelling where is the rave. I'm glad all these highly intelligent people understood the meaning of discreet. Anyways once we found Smyl-e and Kennith we got our directions to the party..I'm glad people always forget to leave out the part if your car is lowered you wont want to drive it to this party..Okay I know most people don't have a problem with this and luckily we took Emily's car but my car would have got stuck on that dirt road..So please next time tell us if there is going to be horrible terrain for us to drive through. Once we reach the parking area Piers, Twink-e, Emily and myself get a great smell from Alviso Dump..Grrrreat smell by the way. We finally get into the party and the music was bumping. I was glad after all we had been through the party was going to be good. I got to see my favorite dj Michael Liu and yes he did tare up that middle room..I just want to let you guys know Michael Liu should not be in the Middle Room, It's not cool to but that Bazooka guy as a head liner. But anyways The party was allright after Mike spun the person running the smoke machine actually ruined the rest of the party. No one could breathe in the main room and the other two rooms were too packed so everyone just left..Like us.. Saturday Night .. I don't have much to say about Legend other then in was an awesome party despite the Ice..And OMG Madam Zu was fucking off the hook. I danced my ass off for the two hours Chris C and Madam Zu were spinning..Great Jobs Happy Kids.. Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68825-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 18:58:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16395 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 18:58:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16376 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 18:58:33 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: <111.26a997b.2884934a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:58:18 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_111.26a997b.2884934a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Free Party @ LimeLight Wednesday --part1_111.26a997b.2884934a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, Please read all info for line-up and location. Just wanted to invite every body to the CD Release Party of Armann the BrainChild's latest CD titled: Armann the BrainChild New York / San Francisco 0.02 Since we want to thank everyone for all the support thru the years were making the party free with this invite: Please Print this E-mail out and you and a friend will get into the party for FREE... please arrive early: invite valid till: 11:00 BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Starting Wednesday, July 4th - Wednesday, August 22nd date: Wednesday, JULY 18 > Main Room: Trance / Hard NRG ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. Official CD Release Party First 100 Clubbers will get a free copy of Armann's Lastest Double CD: ARMANN the BRAINCHILD New York / San Francisco 0.02 DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her own record label Mad Wax. DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: Progressive House / Tech House RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) KARMA SUTRA Las Vegas (Oracle / Phulux) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / Trance / Club Favorites RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Reocrds / Orgy / KSJA 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. info: www.brainchildentertainment.com info: 1-800-561-1800 VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink --part1_111.26a997b.2884934a_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68826-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 18:58:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16866 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 18:58:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16837 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 18:58:43 -0000 Message-ID: <006b01c10e29$0faa46b0$18dbf7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" , "Deepfog" References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:56:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Mon) Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Mon) > Don't take life too seriously -- you'll never get out of it alive. Ok... that one get's my vote for this month's Best Quote of the Day of The Month Award. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68827-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 19:07:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26675 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 19:07:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26653 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 19:07:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [136.152.196.124] From: "Matt __" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:06:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 19:06:49.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[7786C1E0:01C10E2A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Need a Roommate? Greetings, I'm 22 and I just moved to the bay area to go to grad school at UC Berkeley in the fall. I'm subletting for the summer and looking for a permanent home. When I was in DC, I found a cool place using the dc-raves list so I thought I would give it a try here. Ideally, I would like to live in/around Berkeley but if you have a place in the city, definitely let me know. Since I don't know too many people in the area, I'm looking for roommates that will also be friends and people to party with. I started raving three years ago while in SF for the summer and since then I've been a part of the scenes in Southern California, London, the Midwest, and DC. I just graduated from college in Claremont (SoCal) and I'm working on a political campaign in SF for the summer. I have money for rent from work and the university but I can't spend more than $800/month (less would be preferable). I would be happy to come by to see your place if you respond. I hope to hear from you. Matt matt@addsheet.com aolim: godisunity icq: 4984980 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68828-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 19:08:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29661 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 19:08:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29638 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 19:08:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:08:11 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <000c01c10db9$99692440$4795d6cf@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Almost Free Mix CD-BSP I've got a hankering to send out some music. First five responses get one mix cd. All I ask in exchange is an honest review after listening to it, good or bad, either public or private. Choose from: firedrill - recorded april 2001 - mostly str8 techno (also available as 128kbps MP3 at my super-lo-tech unreadable blink tag friendly website -> listen.to/andyw) or most stupidest - recorded march 2001 - eclectic intro + techno + electro (it's kinda weird!) andyw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68829-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 19:11:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34660 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 19:11:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34646 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 19:11:00 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.39.2.53] From: "j ->son" To: ampedgirly@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:10:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 19:10:32.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC0DE970:01C10E2A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Reggae on the River my first time too!! Should be a blast for me too... See you down by the river!!! I here the first night if nothing but PHAT house and Techno! Is this true? ----Original Message Follows---- From: angela To: "j ->son" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] Reggae on the River Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:01:41 -0700 (PDT) oh! i am so there! gonna go in style in a big RV! woohoo! i'm sooo stoked! this will be my first time going. --- "j ->son" wrote: > Who'z going besides me and eight of my closest and > coolest friends? > > http://www.reggaeontheriver.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68830-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 19:12:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37915 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 19:12:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37900 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 19:12:17 -0000 Message-ID: <00c301c10e2b$607a60a0$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:13:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C10DF0.AEABEEA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SFR - EXCLUSIVE!!! FREE DJ IRENE PROMOS!!! ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C10DF0.AEABEEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, As all of you know by now, Dj Irene will be appearing at this year's = AREA 51 event, (which is actually this Saturday). SHE ROCKS!!! I just = received a big ass box of promotional stuff from her agent. So if you = are interested in receiving any of this material please email my = privatly.=20 You will be able to pick it up @ AREA 51 this Saturday. See you there, Greg Sandler ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C10DF0.AEABEEA0-- From sfraves-return-68831-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 19:13:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39674 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 19:13:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39652 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 19:13:14 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:13:02 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d9.1761fe1f.288496be_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Free Party 7pm - 2am 18+ --part1_d9.1761fe1f.288496be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, Please read all info for line-up and location. Just wanted to invite every body to the CD Release Party of Armann the BrainChild's latest CD titled: Armann the BrainChild New York / San Francisco 0.02 Since we want to thank everyone for all the support thru the years were making the party free with this invite: Please Print this E-mail out and you and a friend will get into the party for FREE... please arrive early: invite valid till: 11:00 BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Starting Wednesday, July 4th - Wednesday, August 22nd date: Wednesday, JULY 18 > Main Room: Trance / Hard NRG ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. Official CD Release Party First 100 Clubbers will get a free copy of Armann's Lastest Double CD: ARMANN the BRAINCHILD New York / San Francisco 0.02 DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her own record label Mad Wax. DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: Progressive House / Tech House RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) KARMA SUTRA Las Vegas (Oracle / Phulux) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / Trance / Club Favorites RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Reocrds / Orgy / KSJA 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. info: www.brainchildentertainment.com info: 1-800-561-1800 VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink --part1_d9.1761fe1f.288496be_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68832-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 19:52:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73104 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 19:52:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73000 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 19:52:12 -0000 Message-ID: <012401c10e31$566f36c0$15c4abd8@m9x0q4> From: "`black-locust'" To: "junglist" , "dnb list" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:55:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0121_01C10DF6.A761B980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] COVERSION drums + bass \ sacramento \ ( `heavy mental' ) - 07.17 ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C10DF6.A761B980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this week inside COVERSION, 07.17.2001 a `black-locust' operation in alliance with circa footwear `heavy mental' - www.black-locust.com=20 from beyond the boundaries of perceived reality and your ability=20 to grasp time and space.. psycho analysis of the sound disorder. first.. black-locust is proud to bring you another session with the=20 mastermind, his vinyl, his dubplates, his laptop and his way of=20 thinking.. REASON pushes the limits once again inside coversion.=20 then.. with his long awaited lp, soon to be released on thermal recordings..=20 and runnin' rampant of late with sage, his partner crime at phylum..=20 from the reaches of san francisco, costa rica and your subconscious=20 recall, the future is upon us.. the original enemy infiltrator and=20 phunckateck communicator.. mighty, mighty UFO! touches down in=20 sacramento for a unique and explosive engagement. beware your expectations, for they will be destroyed. COVERSION \ drums + bass every tuesday inside the rage 1890 arden way, sacramento 10pm - 2am \ 18^ \ f. bar 21+ dollar drink specials all night! www.c1rcapresents.com www.circafootwear.com ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C10DF6.A761B980-- From sfraves-return-68833-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 19:58:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79790 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 19:58:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79773 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 19:58:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.48] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: comments@globalparty.com, sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:58:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 19:58:06.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[A18997E0:01C10E31] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HNOUSE DJ Pupularity Poll Sure we have all of our mainstream house dj's. I.E Jeno, Tony, Simon, Garth, etc....but what about all of the local no name dj's. I know plenty of them! For instance I was at a bar and heard some of the most amazing sounds coming from the tables. His name is Justin Martin. People if you want some "quality" house i suggest getting in contact with me, so i can give you all of his forwarding email address and maybe even a contact number! Justin martin, justin martin, justin martin!!!! =) Ok, now for my list of incredible sounds from in and around the bay! Jeno,Justin Martin,TONY,Solar,Jonene,Rick Preston,Rasoul,Miguel Migs,Dj Huey,Fil Lattore & Inhuman <---they can rock!,Galen,Ellen Ferrato,John Howard just to name a few. There are plenty more from here in the bay! That's why I love the bay area so much. Quality house music everywhere you turn! People you should seriously go to the "Lion's Pub" on divisidero @ Sacramento ( i think ) and check out JUSTIN MARTIN! Ok enough. =) peace, Aaron >From: Feel Good >Reply-To: comments@globalparty.com >To: Sac Raves List , SFRaves > >Subject: [sfraves] HNOUSE DJ Pupularity Poll >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:42:02 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD1C737800C6400438ECD185531607390; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:46:32 -0700 >Received: (qmail 46095 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 17:45:48 -0000 >Received: (qmail 45999 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 17:45:43 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-68819-aaronhdixon Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:47:40 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-id: <3B53276A.85771EBB@globalparty.com> >Organization: Feel Good Entertainment >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >Who are your favorite Bay Area / Nor Cal 'HOUSE' DJ's? >Thanks for the feedback :) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68834-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 20:21:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18172 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 20:21:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18151 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 20:21:19 -0000 Message-ID: <016201c10e35$68207e20$15c4abd8@m9x0q4> From: "`black-locust'" To: "sac list" , "sf list" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:25:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C10DFA.B9ED3440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ( ( ( ( drum-line ) ) ) ) ------=_NextPart_000_015F_01C10DFA.B9ED3440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 916.484.DRUM ------=_NextPart_000_015F_01C10DFA.B9ED3440-- From sfraves-return-68835-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 21:06:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69002 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 21:06:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68989 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 21:06:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <20010716204922.71089.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] thanks! Five copies are spoken for! Oh, and I'll be doing another lameass giveaway in the next few weeks (hint: it's not a DJ mix) in greater numbers. andyw On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, DJ Teks wrote: -&e->I'd like a cd -&e-> -&e->thanks, -&e->Teks -&e-> -&e->--- AndyW wrote: -&e->> -&e->> I've got a hankering to send out some music. First -&e->> five responses get one -&e->> mix cd. All I ask in exchange is an honest review -&e->> after listening to it, -&e->> good or bad, either public or private. -&e->> -&e->> Choose from: -&e->> firedrill - recorded april 2001 - mostly str8 techno -&e->> (also available as -&e->> 128kbps MP3 at my super-lo-tech unreadable blink tag -&e->> friendly website -> -&e->> listen.to/andyw) -&e->> -&e->> or -&e->> -&e->> most stupidest - recorded march 2001 - eclectic -&e->> intro + techno + electro -&e->> (it's kinda weird!) -&e->> -&e->> andyw -&e->> -&e->> -&e->> -&e->--------------------------------------------------------------------- -&e->> To unsubscribe, e-mail: -&e->> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org -&e->> For additional commands, e-mail: -&e->> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -&e->> -&e-> -&e-> -&e->__________________________________________________ -&e->Do You Yahoo!? -&e->Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail -&e->http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -&e-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68836-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 21:09:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73678 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 21:09:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73668 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 21:09:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716210903.56391.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: sf raves , F 8 , Orphan List Cc: Mari Istyly , The Other Jamie , joey kandykid , Dj Marr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-624749687-995317743=:55636" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd: [lrave] FWD: [SER] Human to Candy kid translator --0-624749687-995317743=:55636 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline o.k o.k guy this one is funny, try it out for a good laugh. *.~ Jamie Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-624749687-995317743=:55636 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: starkand_e@yahoo.com via web14303.mail.yahoo.com; 16 Jul 2001 14:05:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from f27.law8.hotmail.com (EHLO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.27) by mta426.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2001 14:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:05:18 -0700 Received: from 12.81.86.194 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:05:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.81.86.194] From: "Jamie Murray" To: starkand_e@yahoo.com Subject: Fwd: [lrave] FWD: [SER] Human to Candy kid translator Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:05:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 21:05:18.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[04598700:01C10E3B] Content-Length: 1248 >From: Jacqueline Marie Duhe >To: lrave@listkids.com >Subject: [lrave] FWD: [SER] Human to Candy kid translator >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:02:38 -0500 > >http://dts.omega2.com/perl-bin/kandEE.cgi > >This was sent to MW-Raves list. It's a human-to-Kandee translator. It takes >normal conversation, and translates it for those infamous candy kids! > >TRANSLATION: >thiz waz sEnt to mw-ravEz wist. I know you! Don't you rEmEmbEr mE? it'z a >human-to-kandEE translator. Got an*EE glowstickz? it takEz normal >konvErsation, and translatEz it for thosE infamouz kand*EE kidz! Man, I`m >rollin' hard! > >**HUGZ** > >jduhe@nd.edu >Video games dont affect kids. I mean, if pacman affected us as kids, wed >all be sitting around in dark rooms munching magic pills and listening to >repetitive music. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo@listkids.com >with the phrase 'unsubscribe lrave' in the body of >the message. > >Visit our website at http://www.listkids.com >--------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --0-624749687-995317743=:55636 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --0-624749687-995317743=:55636-- From sfraves-return-68837-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 21:19:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86520 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 21:19:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86484 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 21:19:26 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [172.153.234.154] From: "rob zulu" To: michigan-raves@egroups.com Cc: california-raves@egroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:18:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 21:18:57.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC7A9E10:01C10E3C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Free Mix CD's/Promos.. come check it out Hey Kids.. Rob here from TGP.. www.trancegeneration.net Many of you have taken advantage of our offers of Free CD's and our efforts to bring the DJ's work back to the love and to the People. Well I just wanted to let you know, We have added 2 New CD Mixes to our List. DJ Jeff Real out of New York as well as DJ Crash Vol.3 out of Boston Come check them out if you havent already. www.trancegeneration.net Take care and Peace Rob AkA DJ Crash _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68838-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 21:38:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5923 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 21:38:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5904 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 21:38:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:33:05 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B535D91.F9855E29@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] :::ANTHEM::: This Thursday Night!!! bsp [Area 51 Pre-party - Discount @ door with Area 51 Pre-sale ticket] A~N~T~H~E~M Thursday July 19th!!! Feel Good Resident Showcase... DJ's In The 'House'!!! Ian Lewis, Kendra French, DJ Durben & Richard Summerhayes. The SubLevel aka Maritime Underground 375 1st St. @ Harrison St. San Francisco 18+ with valid ID 9pm – 2am. $5 Before 10pm / $10 After. VIP 21+ FUBAR Hosted By The luscious ladies of Feel Good :)~~ Anthem Club Line: 650-568-1338 Buzz-Line: 650-569-3300 http://www.globalparty.com Keep it Real Good With Feel Good --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68839-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 21:49:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20315 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 21:49:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20299 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 21:49:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716214951.76592.qmail@web12705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: mark To: knowmad AE Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010716172931.9774.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: srr - rts noted as a terrorist threat Found it- Reclaim the Streets. Never mind. =) You think THAT's a cool link, check THIS out: ===== As published by "The Commission to Assess United States National Security Space Management and Organization." This is in PDF format; hit the link, and it will ask you what you want to do, save as, etc.  The majority of the info is in the chapter2 PDF... Happy reading; this is scary shit. -mark http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/spacechapter1.pdf http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/spacechapter2.pdf ===== Good stuff. Well, interesting stuff (NOT good). This one is pretty rad, too: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/indexgeo.html Pick a country- they have some pretty amazing statistics in there. peace -mark --- knowmad AE wrote: > http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress01/freeh051001.htm ===== "Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one." ---Voltaire __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68840-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 23:11:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5806 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 23:11:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5785 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 23:11:14 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.118.122] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:10:44 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 23:10:45.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AD43170:01C10E4C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Tom & Jerry Shaggy and Scooby are STONERS! Hell Yeah they are. > I'd start talkin' about Scooby Doo, but oh man, there's jus' too much >food for thought on that one now! Hmmmm! Have A Good Week all =) > >== >Later {8O) >Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68841-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 23:36:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31969 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 23:36:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31959 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 23:36:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716233619.20497.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:36:19 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd: RG: idiocy or ignorance or both --- sween wrote: > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:33:51 -0400 (EDT) > From: sween > To: raverg@hyperreal.org > CC: Crazy Ass Ballahz > Subject: RG: idiocy or ignorance or both > > > http://gr.mlive.com/news/index.ssf?/news/stories/20010715grave715022302.frm > > ok, so while im rooting around in las vegas, a local > student here throws > a rave party for some film spoof on rave stuffs... > anyway, to make a long > story short and not piss off my wife by spending > time on the computer... > > He even wrote a letter to the Grand Rapids Police > Department. "I > am requesting no police presence unless there is a > valid reason," the > letter said. > > > > --- > > --- -sween > | M | http://www.modelm.org > --- "force feedback computing since 1984." > > ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68842-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 23:37:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34435 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 23:37:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34425 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 23:37:18 -0000 Date: 16 Jul 2001 16:36:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20010716233648.10974.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 16 Jul 2001 23:36:48 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: punkass@viberation.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: punkass@viberation.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] stickers/test I've got a new e-mail address!! yay!!! just testing that it works. for cheap stickers check www.stickerguy.com. giles --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68843-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 23:42:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39330 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 23:42:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39320 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 23:42:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.174.226.250] From: "<> garber" To: jason_croteau@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:42:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 23:42:13.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[F01A42F0:01C10E50] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Reggae on the River hmmm, after constantly deleting day after day all this merda from my mailbox I can actually respond to an email. Of course it is about rotr, I guess I just might be on the wrong mailing list here. That's alright. Regardless this is just a note, from a reggae sister, sadly saying that I won't be at the river this year. I have made the exodus for 3 years now (it's an exodus when you don't have a pre bought ticket), and this year I won't be attending. Why? because $105 is $10 more than last year and 15 more than the year before. and honestly the line up is on a down hill slope. I love dancehall, but I've gone to reggae to hear some of the artists I grew up listening to, like Alpha Blondy, Tony Rebel, Steel Pulse, Burning Spear, Jimmy Cliff, etc. This years line up does not compare. If I want to see Luciano I'll pay $15 at the Maritime. With or without the "old school music" I must add that I know most of the Family will still be there. There is always a huge influx of phucked up wanna be hippy college kids overindulging in the amazing goodies available, but underneath that is the crew that have kept coming together every year in August to celebrate this life and this blessing of music and nature. And you'll probably even see some of the old faithful raver people too, I know I saw Yarrow and Vlad up there last year. To be honest, even though it sounds like I am badmouthing, just writing about the festival makes me smile and makes me want to get my ass up there again. It is beautiful and really special, if you go with your head on straight. And if you're lucky the big silver heaven bus will make it's infamous appearance and throw down that deep ragga house for you along the river at night. There's always some sound, but the greyhound crew does it nnniiiicccceeee. A few suggestions to the travellers.... Bring the stuff you'll need and/or want. Like some bottled water (there is fountain water that's alright for drinking as well), water proof sun block!, a hat, a suit if you're shy, food/munchies (but keep in mind there are no 'legal' fires on the actual rotr camp grounds for bbqs or otherwise), a little cook stove so you can brew your tea in the morning and steam your rice in the evening, an am/fm radio so you can hear what's happening at the bandshell while napping in your tent, a nice stack of zig zags in the orange box, a tent, and don't bring too much $ cause you will probably spend it. If you do plan on camping 'on site' plan on getting in the car line near Princess Camp on hwy 101 at about 6:30 am so you can get an alright spot to lay your stuff. Camping on the rotr site is a bit intense, ie NO SHADE, be prepared. Damn, what an adventure.... I hope that hot ass Humboldt sun shines down on you in August! yippee! I think I'll be at the Tricky show that weekend. haha. so, wow, I have an awful lot to say about that and not much to say about much else going on in this rave scene list, so you probably won't hear from me again soon.... crawling back under my rock now. I even touch the sky above the falling rain~ Sarah &---__--------###_----__----__--_-%--____-**~___-----------@@@@@_----_- ~.--. .-. _ .-. _ _ ~ : .-' : : :_; .'.' :_; :_; : `;.--. .--. : : .-.,-.,-.`-' .-..--. .-. .--. : :' '_.'' '_.': :_ : :: ,. : : :: ..': :' '_.' :_;`.__.'`.__.'`.__;:_;:_;:_; :_;:_; :_;`.__.' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68844-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 23:44:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42022 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 23:44:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42012 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 23:44:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716234452.88932.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tera Ball To: SFR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-807504521-995327092=:87395" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Tonight? --0-807504521-995327092=:87395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey I am going to be in SJ later, and I was wondering, do they still do that weekly thing at the Cactus club? Or else is there anything eles going on? I need to go out! Tera --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-807504521-995327092=:87395-- From sfraves-return-68845-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 23:48:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49371 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 23:48:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49356 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 23:48:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716234840.2251.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:48:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: knowmad AE , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010716233619.20497.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Fwd: RG: idiocy or ignorance or both why would that guy's wife get mad at him for being on the computer? i always look at the disengagement as an opportunity. :) --- knowmad AE wrote: > > --- sween wrote: > > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:33:51 -0400 (EDT) > > From: sween > > To: raverg@hyperreal.org > > CC: Crazy Ass Ballahz > > Subject: RG: idiocy or ignorance or both > > > > > > > http://gr.mlive.com/news/index.ssf?/news/stories/20010715grave715022302.frm > > > > ok, so while im rooting around in las vegas, a > local > > student here throws > > a rave party for some film spoof on rave stuffs... > > anyway, to make a long > > story short and not piss off my wife by spending > > time on the computer... > > > > He even wrote a letter to the Grand Rapids Police > > Department. "I > > am requesting no police presence unless there is a > > valid reason," the > > letter said. > > > > > > > > --- > > > > --- -sween > > | M | http://www.modelm.org > > --- "force feedback computing since 1984." > > > > > > > ===== > icq/40221388 > aim/knowmadAE > y!/knowmadAE > "the third I is we and we are one, one in the > same... > the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal > Door..." > In Lak'ech > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68846-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 23:51:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52044 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 23:51:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52032 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 23:51:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20010716235122.36306.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Tera Ball , SFR In-Reply-To: <20010716234452.88932.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-740488106-995327482=:36066" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Tonight? --0-740488106-995327482=:36066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think you are 21, right? If so, check out the secret society tonight, Located @ 3546 Flora Vista Avenue, Santa Clara. It's the usual south bay craziness. Jess Tera Ball wrote: Hey I am going to be in SJ later, and I was wondering, do they still do that weekly thing at the Cactus club? Or else is there anything eles going on? I need to go out! Tera --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-740488106-995327482=:36066-- From sfraves-return-68847-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 16 23:56:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57097 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 23:56:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57087 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 23:56:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.250.71] From: "Justin Hale" To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, teraball2000@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:56:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 23:56:01.0902 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE13A0E0:01C10E52] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Tonight? tonight is Hip-Hop/Dancehall night at the society.. tricks and scratching and track dropping gloriousness... check it out.. MARKIE from WICKED next week for my bday ;).. 3 hours on 3 decks.. for free as usual ;) see ya there.. -J >From: Jess ica >Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com >To: Tera Ball , SFR >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Tonight? >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:51:22 -0700 (PDT) > > >I think you are 21, right? >If so, check out the secret society tonight, Located @ 3546 Flora Vista >Avenue, Santa Clara. > >It's the usual south bay craziness. > >Jess > > > Tera Ball wrote: >Hey I am going to be in SJ later, and I was wondering, do they still do >that weekly thing at the Cactus club? Or else is there anything eles going >on? I need to go out! > >Tera > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68848-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 00:03:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60880 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 00:03:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60870 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 00:03:33 -0000 Date: 16 Jul 2001 17:02:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20010717000249.7549.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Jul 2001 00:02:49 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: punkass@viberation.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: punkass@viberation.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr: moulin rouge highly recommended film. anything with Nirvana showtunes deserves to be seen. my favorite bit is when she goes back to her elephant alone in the rain. I still haven't figured it if it was a love story, an insane musical, or what, but from a certain perspective it's the best American comedy since "Ishtar." long story short, good movie. I've seen it twice now. (altho to be fair, a third time would be too much for me to handle.) giles --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68849-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 00:44:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92367 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 00:44:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92357 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 00:44:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.204.133.5] From: "hi there" To: envirogirly@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:44:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 00:44:20.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D9A2E10:01C10E59] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] oregon :) My family and I used to go to the Oregon Country Fair to celebrate my brothers birthday and visit relatives. The vibe is really incredible there. As little kids running around listening to folk music :) it was fun....i'm just waiting for the time when i can get some friends in a car and drive back up there. Thanks for reminding. -Rachel ----Original Message Follows---- From: envirogirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] oregon :) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:03:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD1BDCE80089400431E2D185531608510; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:04:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 50938 invoked by uid 1104); 16 Jul 2001 07:03:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 50788 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 07:03:37 -0000 >From sfraves-return-68807-rachel_bronstein Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:04:38 -0700 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010716070332.86860.qmail@web14104.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N hey there everyone :) i'm in the middle of a three week trip in the northwest (where i'm originally from). it's so beautiful up here...... if you haven't ever been to the northwest before you need to take a road trip up here sometime...... the trees and forests and natural life are all so amazing. i went to a really awesome hippy event thingy last friday in the woods near eugene called the oregon country fair (anyone ever gone?)...... there's no electronic music or anything, but it definitely has the same kind of vibe as a rave...... lots of happy, smiling people :) i miss partying, though...... and i know i'm missing some really great parties (happy kids last night being one of them). i won't be back till the end of july, so i won't be seeing you all until then :) i'll be at trees n beats, though. does anyone know the scoop on ug events in portland, seattle or vancouver, bc? i've tried the nw raves list, but they aren't helping me much...... there's not nearly as many party kids up here as there are in sf...... although i did go to a club in portland and they definitely know what's up :) anyway, i hope everyone is having a wonderful summer! see you all soon :) ~envirogirl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68850-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 01:02:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4811 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 01:02:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Delivered-To: moderator for sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53510 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 16:00:16 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matt Grossmann" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:59:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c10e10$434d75a0$34c49888@mattgrossmann> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Need a Roommate? Greetings, I'm 22 and I just moved to the bay area to go to grad school at UC Berkeley in the fall. I'm subletting for the summer and looking for a permanent home. When I was in DC, I found a cool place using the dc-raves list so I thought I would give it a try here. Ideally, I would like to live in/around Berkeley but if you have a place in the city, definitely let me know. Since I don't know too many people in the area, I'm looking for roommates that will also be friends and people to party with. I started raving three years ago when I was in SF for the summer and since then I've been a part of the scenes in Southern California, London, the Midwest, and DC. I just graduated from college in Claremont (SoCal) and I'm working on a political campaign in SF for the summer. I have money for rent from work and the university but I can't spend more than $800/month (less would be preferable). I would be happy to come by to see your place if you respond. I hope to hear from you soon. Matt matt@addsheet.com aolim: godisunity icq: 4984980 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68851-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 01:05:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8032 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 01:05:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8014 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 01:05:56 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:05:19 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.179fd1b7.2884e94f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Free Party this Wednesday @ LimeLight --part1_c8.179fd1b7.2884e94f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, Please read all info for line-up and location. Just wanted to invite every body to the CD Release Party of Armann the BrainChild's latest CD titled: Armann the BrainChild New York / San Francisco 0.02 Since we want to thank everyone for all the support thru the years were making the party free with this invite: Please Print this E-mail out and you and a friend will get into the party for FREE... please arrive early: invite valid till: 11:00 BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Starting Wednesday, July 4th - Wednesday, August 22nd date: Wednesday, JULY 18 > Main Room: Trance / Hard NRG ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. Official CD Release Party First 100 Clubbers will get a free copy of Armann's Lastest Double CD: ARMANN the BRAINCHILD New York / San Francisco 0.02 DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her own record label Mad Wax. DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: Progressive House / Tech House RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) KARMA SUTRA Las Vegas (Oracle / Phulux) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / Trance / Club Favorites RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Reocrds / Orgy / KSJA 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. info: www.brainchildentertainment.com info: 1-800-561-1800 VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink --part1_c8.179fd1b7.2884e94f_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68852-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 01:13:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13110 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 01:13:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13100 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 01:13:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:13:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 01:13:05.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1F6FBB0:01C10E5D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] info on Raver DNA: Evolution of Man???? can anyone give me any info on this party? i'm curious about the line-up....i have the date and city, it's local (bay area), but no info on the line-up thanks!! little matt =) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68853-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 01:16:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14843 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 01:16:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14833 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 01:16:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717011444.27962.qmail@web4404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:14:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Karma-Catt To: The List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Saturday alternative... (ducked out on HK) So, the plan was to go to the Happy Kids Party.. of coarse... I always love the vibe there and all that, but my man calls me at around 9:30 while I'm still getting ready for the party... and tells me where the parties at... YIKES!!! and DOUBLE YIKES!!! an ice skating rink again! Hhhhhelllllllllssss no!!!! I did that last year, and fell on my knee and couldn't dance the rest of the night! So, change of plans... we went to this little underground gathering.. in (get this) Emeryville! Tight ya know, cuz it's like 5 minutes from my house just off the freeway :o) yada yada DJ Tirrell, Alkaline, and Fuckwork were all spinning (which is how we knew about it!) Then this guy DJ Pat Jensen spun this little house set (also got a free cd from him) and it was just a totally chill atmosphere! There were 2 decent sized rooms... one chill room and the other room was sound and visuals... no more then like about 50 people there (it could've fit 300) but that made it cozy and of coarse, in situations like that, you're gonna talk to everyone at least once:o) So, yea it was nice... the people that put it together were very chill and they're trying to turn this thing into a more frequent type of event, along with nights where they have poetry readings, and art showings as well. blah blah blah... even though I read the HK reviews (and there were a few DJs I would've liked to hear spin again) it was definitely a great alternative!!! Love, Catt *meow* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68854-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 01:25:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21976 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 01:25:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21966 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 01:25:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: , Cc: "f8" References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:22:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 01:24:59.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BAA52A0:01C10E5F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) Free Party this Wednesday @ LimeLight Oh WOW! A free Party, and on my Birthday too! Woo Hoo!!!! Is anyone else going to this party? or is there something else going on this Wednesday that I should know about? anyone got the lineup for Stereophonic? Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:05 AM Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Free Party this Wednesday @ LimeLight > Hello Everyone, > Please read all info for line-up and location. > Just wanted to invite every body to the CD Release Party of Armann the > BrainChild's > latest CD titled: Armann the BrainChild New York / San Francisco 0.02 > > Since we want to thank everyone for all the support thru the years were > making the party free with this invite: > > Please Print this E-mail out and you and a friend will get into the party for > FREE... > please arrive early: invite valid till: 11:00 > > BrainChild Records Tour 2001 > Starting Wednesday, July 4th - Wednesday, August 22nd > > date: Wednesday, JULY 18 > > > > Main Room: Trance / Hard NRG > > ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF > (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) > By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based > trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is > guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. > > Official CD Release Party > First 100 Clubbers will get a free copy of Armann's Lastest Double CD: > ARMANN the BRAINCHILD New York / San Francisco 0.02 > > DYLOOT SF > (Skills / Popsikal) > Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting > over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. > > MADAME MERCURY SF > (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) > With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her > own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her own > record label Mad Wax. > > DJ DREW SF > (BrainChild Records / Orgy) > > Second Level: Progressive House / Tech House > > RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK > (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) > DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) > KARMA SUTRA Las Vegas (Oracle / Phulux) > JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) > > Front Room: Tech House / Trance / Club Favorites > > RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Reocrds / Orgy / KSJA 90.5) > FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) > > Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View > > Cover: $15 at the door. > > info: www.brainchildentertainment.com > > info: 1-800-561-1800 > > VIP PASSES : $40 > VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line > and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in > entry fee's > you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! > Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes > Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) > Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the > Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! > > VIP passes will be sold at: > BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 > 401 e. St. James, San Jose > BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 > Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara > Skills : (510) 704-9876 > 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley > Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. > Early arrival is highly recommended!!! > 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68855-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 01:27:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23687 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 01:27:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23677 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 01:27:09 -0000 Message-ID: <3B53948A.1080700@mail.netwiz.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:27:38 -0700 From: "Niels P. Mayer" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686; en-US; rv:0.9.1) Gecko/20010607 Netscape6/6.1b1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cheese CC: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eck=F6?= , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010712224743.18775.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> <002601c10b2f$d842f600$100110ac@thenoid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE "Sooner or later, you're gonna listen to Ralph Nader..." -- The Buzzcocks. Cheese wrote: > yep! > > it's because of the weight in the back... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eckö" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE > > > >>Isn't the Corvair the car said to be unsafe at any speed? >>Nick >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com >>http://www.core-nrg.net >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Cheese" >>To: "knowmad AE" ; >>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:54 PM >>Subject: [sfraves] NRR - 1961 4 door Corvair Monza FOR SALE >> >> >> >>>Hey guys, >>> >>>My dad is selling his 1961 4 door Corvair Monza... This would make a >>> > good > >>>project for anyone who would like to spiff-out an old car... >>> >>>i have some pictures up @ http://bayarearavers.com if you wanted to >>> > check > >>>them out... >>> >>>he is asking for $1200 and the car is currently located in Cupertino... >>> >>>email me back if your intersted... >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ==>> Niels Mayer (npm@netwiz.net) http://www.cybertribe.com/mayer <<== ==>> PGP fingerprint= 2C 78 2F 01 B0 5C B1 17 49 17 3D 50 FE AE 2A 4A <<== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68856-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 01:58:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41478 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 01:58:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41468 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 01:58:47 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:10:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Mich. Police Raid Staged Rave Party Mich. Police Raid Staged Rave Party The Associated Press Monday, July 16, 2001; 3:54 PM GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. –– Police raided a rave party that was staged for an amateur movie, making three drug-related arrests and charging the filmmaker and two others with operating an illegal business. Tyler Blair, an honors student at Michigan State University, said he was trying to organize a large but well-controlled party to serve as a spoof of rave culture for a film, "E-tards." The title is a term for users of Ecstasy, an illicit drug that has come to be associated with raves, the all-night parties featuring techno music and dancing. Blair said he tried to make sure the party Friday was within the law and notified police beforehand about his filming plans. But police became suspicious and raided the party, which was held at the home of one of Blair's friends. "I guess I gave them everything they needed to arrest us," Blair said. Blair said neither he nor anyone who lives at the house knew the people arrested for drug possession. © 2001 The Associated Press "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68857-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 02:20:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58086 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 02:20:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58075 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 02:20:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:20:24 -0700 Message-Id: <200107170220.TAA08975@mail12.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [198.81.17.43] From: "dj huey" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BsP>>David Garcia @ Construction Hello, hello..............this WED. Night at 330 ritch Night life is proud to have one of our bay area home town hero's David Garcia along with Torque and me. And as always free to everyone on sfr. E-mail me back with an rsvp. Come on down and support the sf house community ............. ------------------------------------------------------------ [- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68858-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 02:40:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73117 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 02:40:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73107 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 02:40:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.214.121.103] From: "Solmatic Records" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:39:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 02:39:54.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[C30F2870:01C10E69] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Joey @ Elevate Wed-Bsp! 21+ North Bay Party ...Free mix tapes to any Sf Ravers. If your not 21 and want a mix ,hit me up at any up coming parties! Take care - Joey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68859-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 02:57:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85843 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 02:57:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85823 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 02:57:48 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Cheese" , , Cc: "f8" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:27:48 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Roll call for Limelite's free party Wednesday Hey, I'll most probably be there--I live right near Mountain View. Probably be in a white Technics shirt w/ a big drawing of a stylus on it (my fave T-shirt). Anyone else coming?? .:nomadic:. .: dance like no one's watching .:. www.nomadicDJ.com :. -----Original Message----- From: Cheese [mailto:roughraver@hotmail.com] Sent: 16 July 2001 10:23 To: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: f8 Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) Free Party this Wednesday @ LimeLight Importance: Low Oh WOW! A free Party, and on my Birthday too! Woo Hoo!!!! Is anyone else going to this party? or is there something else going on this Wednesday that I should know about? anyone got the lineup for Stereophonic? Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:05 AM Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Free Party this Wednesday @ LimeLight > Hello Everyone, > Please read all info for line-up and location. > Just wanted to invite every body to the CD Release Party of Armann the > BrainChild's > latest CD titled: Armann the BrainChild New York / San Francisco 0.02 > > Since we want to thank everyone for all the support thru the years were > making the party free with this invite: > > Please Print this E-mail out and you and a friend will get into the party for > FREE... > please arrive early: invite valid till: 11:00 > > BrainChild Records Tour 2001 > Starting Wednesday, July 4th - Wednesday, August 22nd > > date: Wednesday, JULY 18 > > > > Main Room: Trance / Hard NRG > > ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF > (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) > By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based > trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is > guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. > > Official CD Release Party > First 100 Clubbers will get a free copy of Armann's Lastest Double CD: > ARMANN the BRAINCHILD New York / San Francisco 0.02 > > DYLOOT SF > (Skills / Popsikal) > Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting > over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. > > MADAME MERCURY SF > (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) > With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her > own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her own > record label Mad Wax. > > DJ DREW SF > (BrainChild Records / Orgy) > > Second Level: Progressive House / Tech House > > RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK > (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) > DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) > KARMA SUTRA Las Vegas (Oracle / Phulux) > JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) > > Front Room: Tech House / Trance / Club Favorites > > RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Reocrds / Orgy / KSJA 90.5) > FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) > > Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View > > Cover: $15 at the door. > > info: www.brainchildentertainment.com > > info: 1-800-561-1800 > > VIP PASSES : $40 > VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line > and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in > entry fee's > you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! > Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes > Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) > Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the > Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! > > VIP passes will be sold at: > BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 > 401 e. St. James, San Jose > BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 > Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara > Skills : (510) 704-9876 > 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley > Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. > Early arrival is highly recommended!!! > 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68860-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 03:00:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87722 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 03:00:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87711 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 03:00:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.59.192.220] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: "Binh Tran" , "f8" , "patric patric" , "pod updates" , "SF RAVES" , "ian m" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:56:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1619 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C10E31.630F0680" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 03:00:09.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[971F9210:01C10E6C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp..STEREOPHONIK..Wed! ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C10E31.630F0680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This week............ DJ D! Leon Cook ARA Owen Stereophonik, the real underground for the South Bay, happens every We= dnesday at the Cactus Club, 417 S 1st St, San Jose Ca. 18 and up, a bar = for the old enough. Visuals by Terry of Viberation. ONLY FIVE DOLLARS! =20 This, of course, includes the dark side of things known as KILLASUBZ, fea= turing =20 das =20 hak flux =20 siphon You have been warned. Next week- GIANNI coming soon! 8/1 Tom Slik 8/8 Uphonic 8/15 TBA 8/22 TELENE 8/29 GianniGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://ex= plorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C10E31.630F0680-- From sfraves-return-68861-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 03:25:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 787 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 03:25:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 768 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 03:25:53 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:25:22 -0800 From: MODA To: Rahd_reco , Guillermo , "John B." , CC: sfraves , sacraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? Unless you were in Tapei on NYE, your statement has no validity. Have you visited your mom lately? I'm sure she'd love to see you.... 8) On 7/16/01 1:07 AM, "Rahd_reco" wrote: > did i mention you cant mix and you wrecked like a whore last new years > eve.....so EAD! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MODA" > To: "Guillermo" ; "John B." ; > > Cc: "sfraves" ; "sacraves" > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 1:24 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >=20 >=20 > Forthcoming Site for Lucas Entertainment's Presidio Project! 8) MODA >=20 > On 7/15/01 10:38 PM, "Guillermo" wrote: >=20 >> yeah im kinda thinkin piers 30/32, too >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John B. >> To: ascend@ix.netcom.com >> Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org ; sacraves@hyperreal.or= g >> >> Date: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 VENUE INFO? >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> 'Kay... I gotta jump in with MY wacky guess... >>>=20 >>> I'm thinking piers 30/32 in San Francisco... where the Warped >>> Tour and the X-Games are held. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> cya there, (wherever) >>>=20 >>> john >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>> --- Greg Sandler wrote: >>>>>> Are you ready to be briefed on ALL of the CLASSIFIED >>>>>> AREA 51 VENUE information? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Stay tuned in, cause we are about to share our AREA >>>>>> 51 X - File documents, which will release the Venue >>>>>> information... >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Until then, I want to know where YOU think AREA 51 >>>>>> is going to take place... I will give a free ticket >>>>>> to the first person that gets the right answer! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Peace and love, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Greg Sandler >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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(415) 215-1612 FAX (510) 339-3887 http://www.trancefusion.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68862-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 03:33:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11447 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 03:33:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11416 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 03:33:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717033348.47375.qmail@web9503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:33:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Princess Arielle To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Club Matrix West grand opening 7/20 and FREE CD giveaway! Hello all! Just wanna announce a new club opening up in Oakland on Friday nights. Yours truly (Ariel Cybana) be giving out FREE CD's to at least 400 peeps just for showing up. It's of my Cataclysm CD and if you want to hear it, goto my website www.arielcybana.com. On 7/27 Morgan and Elemental will be playing as well as myself, Elz and Stevie B. Any questions regarding this club should be addressed to the phone line listed below (DO NOT reply to me as I am only a mere messenger). take care, ariel ****** BEGIN TRANSMISSION ****** Spin Knowledge Presents Club Matrix West A New Weekly Event Every Friday located at 1803 Webster Street in the City of Oakland Friday July 20th 2001 -9:00pm – 4am -$20/Door -18 and Over + ID -500 Capacity -Fully Permitted -Plenty of Free Parking -One Block from the 19th Street Bart Station -Two Large Dance Rooms -Outdoor Smoking Area -Free CD Give-a-way by Ariel Cybana Titled Cataclysm -INFO (510) 596-8909 Room 1 – Trance/Hard House/NRG Ariel Cybana (www.ArielCybana.com, www.spinknowledge.com) DJ Reese (www.LiquidVinylDJS.com, www.spinknowledge.com) DJ Charlie (www.Ravepictures.net) DJ Roman (www.spinknowledge.com) Reclipse Room 2 – House/Tech House/Hard House Rick V (In The Mixx/Clockwork Sac.) Lewis (www.spinknowledge.com, Knowledge Recordings) Jayvi Velasco (Groove Industry) Stevie B (Peak Productions, www.spinknowledge.com) ELZ (Peak Productions, www.spinknowledge.com) -If you would like to DJ at Club Matrix West then please call Spin Knowledge (510)596-8909 or go to www.spinknowledge.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68863-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 05:50:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83765 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 05:50:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83755 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 05:50:21 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c10e80$1c26eb80$ce13c398@hppav> From: "Brook Yu" To: , References: <000301c10e10$434d75a0$34c49888@mattgrossmann> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:19:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Apparently-From: ChangSYu@cs.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Need a Roommate? haha...i know you. :) was wondering why matt grossman sounded familiar. then i was wondering why your situation sounded familiar. then duh...it hit me. i know you. =P btw...how was ascension? -brook. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Grossmann To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 8:59 AM Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Need a Roommate? > Greetings, > > I'm 22 and I just moved to the bay area to go to grad school at UC Berkeley > in the fall. I'm subletting for the summer and looking for a permanent > home. When I was in DC, I found a cool place using the dc-raves list so I > thought I would give it a try here. Ideally, I would like to live in/around > Berkeley but if you have a place in the city, definitely let me know. Since > I don't know too many people in the area, I'm looking for roommates that > will also be friends and people to party with. I started raving three years > ago when I was in SF for the summer and since then I've been a part of the > scenes in Southern California, London, the Midwest, and DC. I just > graduated from college in Claremont (SoCal) and I'm working on a political > campaign in SF for the summer. I have money for rent from work and the > university but I can't spend more than $800/month (less would be > preferable). I would be happy to come by to see your place if you respond. > I hope to hear from you soon. > > Matt > matt@addsheet.com > aolim: godisunity > icq: 4984980 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68864-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 05:53:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87594 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 05:53:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87584 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 05:53:40 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:53:35 -0700 (PDT) From: julie ranoa To: "j ->son" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: HuLaGirLJuLiE@hawaiicity.com X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.192.183] Message-Id: <20010717055335.D328336F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Reggae on the River hell yeaaaaaaahhhhhh! i'm going! i went last year for the first time and fell in LOVE with ROTR!!! you will have an awesome time! just imagine that feeling you get at a really uplifting spiritual party...well this is how you will feel at Reggae on the River! =) hey Jason-we should hook up over there! =) =) peace, love , and reggae>>>>love, hula girl ** Julie ** --- "j ->son" > wrote: >Who'z going besides me and eight of my closest and coolest friends? > >http://www.reggaeontheriver.com/ >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _____________________________________________________________ Get your FREE 20mb Hawaii website, Free Hawaii email address, Hawaii weather & news, free contest, discount Hawaiian Jewelry, gifts, car rentals, hotels and airline tickets...http://www.hawaiicity.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68865-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 06:00:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91042 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 06:00:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91030 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 06:00:07 -0000 Message-ID: <3B53D4E1.86AA5329@home.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:02:11 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "<> garber" , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Reggae on the River I went to the Sierra Nevada Music Festival in Angel's Camp earlier this summer. I've never been to a reggae festival before but I liked it a lot. I couldn't help myself, and kept comparing it with the rave scene. The biggest things I noticed were that while there were drugs and such there, there was a whole lot more respect and harder drug use was much more discreet. I was not prepared for how HOT it was though. 105 degrees! Also, people didn't litter! Ironically the only litter I saw was some Serenity fliers which I was dissapointed to see there in the first place. But towards the end of the weekend the garbage cans were completely full and people were taking their littering and recycling and putting it in nice piles next to the garbage cans. I was very impressed. My advice is to bring lots of layers so that you are prepared if it is hot or cold. Also be prepared to be dirty and not take showers. We ended up surviving because we found some hoses that we could rinse off in when we woke up. Have a lot of water and snacky food of course. Like Sarah said, don't bring money! You will spend it especially if there are as many vendors as there were at Angel's Camp. The biggest mistakes I made were not bringing a nice pad to sleep on and then eating a scary brownie... Don't buy brownies or drugs from random hippy people! I don't think I've ever been so high in my life, and I know it was just weed, but I was passed out on the grass for hours and very high for about 24 hours even after sleeping most of it. I wasted a whole day and missed some acts I wanted to see:( My bad... It was nice to take myself out of the rave scene for a weekend and try something new. I'll probably be back next summer as well... Peace, Lydia P.S. I think I saw that bus you were talking about... at one point I heard some house and so I followed it and came up to a bus with a DJ spinning on top and a whole private dance area set up with a parachute, lights, and everything. It was really cool! I meant to go back the next night when they were planning to do more and have more people... but the brownie killed that as well dammit. I wanted to hear jungle all weekend while I was there, but unfortunately no-one came through. I was surprised because I thought I'd hear some. "<> garber" wrote: > hmmm, > after constantly deleting day after day all this merda from my mailbox I can > actually respond to an email. Of course it is about rotr, I guess I just > might be on the wrong mailing list here. That's alright. > > Regardless this is just a note, from a reggae sister, sadly saying that I > won't be at the river this year. I have made the exodus for 3 years now > (it's an exodus when you don't have a pre bought ticket), and this year I > won't be attending. Why? because $105 is $10 more than last year and 15 > more than the year before. and honestly the line up is on a down hill > slope. I love dancehall, but I've gone to reggae to hear some of the > artists I grew up listening to, like Alpha Blondy, Tony Rebel, Steel Pulse, > Burning Spear, Jimmy Cliff, etc. This years line up does not compare. If I > want to see Luciano I'll pay $15 at the Maritime. > > With or without the "old school music" I must add that I know most of the > Family will still be there. There is always a huge influx of phucked up > wanna be hippy college kids overindulging in the amazing goodies available, > but underneath that is the crew that have kept coming together every year in > August to celebrate this life and this blessing of music and nature. And > you'll probably even see some of the old faithful raver people too, I know I > saw Yarrow and Vlad up there last year. > > To be honest, even though it sounds like I am badmouthing, just writing > about the festival makes me smile and makes me want to get my ass up there > again. It is beautiful and really special, if you go with your head on > straight. And if you're lucky the big silver heaven bus will make it's > infamous appearance and throw down that deep ragga house for you along the > river at night. There's always some sound, but the greyhound crew does it > nnniiiicccceeee. > > A few suggestions to the travellers.... Bring the stuff you'll need and/or > want. Like some bottled water (there is fountain water that's alright for > drinking as well), water proof sun block!, a hat, a suit if you're shy, > food/munchies (but keep in mind there are no 'legal' fires on the actual > rotr camp grounds for bbqs or otherwise), a little cook stove so you can > brew your tea in the morning and steam your rice in the evening, an am/fm > radio so you can hear what's happening at the bandshell while napping in > your tent, a nice stack of zig zags in the orange box, a tent, and don't > bring too much $ cause you will probably spend it. If you do plan on > camping 'on site' plan on getting in the car line near Princess Camp on hwy > 101 at about 6:30 am so you can get an alright spot to lay your stuff. > Camping on the rotr site is a bit intense, ie NO SHADE, be prepared. Damn, > what an adventure.... > > I hope that hot ass Humboldt sun shines down on you in August! yippee! I > think I'll be at the Tricky show that weekend. haha. > > so, wow, I have an awful lot to say about that and not much to say about > much else going on in this rave scene list, so you probably won't hear from > me again soon.... crawling back under my rock now. > > I even touch the sky above the falling rain~ > Sarah > &---__--------###_----__----__--_-%--____-**~___-----------@@@@@_----_- > > ~.--. .-. _ .-. _ _ ~ > : .-' : : :_; .'.' :_; :_; > : `;.--. .--. : : .-.,-.,-.`-' .-..--. .-. .--. > : :' '_.'' '_.': :_ : :: ,. : : :: ..': :' '_.' > :_;`.__.'`.__.'`.__;:_;:_;:_; :_;:_; :_;`.__.' > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68866-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 06:21:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 433 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 06:21:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 420 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 06:21:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.196.22] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:20:35 -0700 From: hakthedj To: suffer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078170435_1046838_MIME_Part" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 06:20:37.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[981727C0:01C10E88] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] killaSUBZ this week (bsp) --MS_Mac_OE_3078170435_1046838_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit another adventure into jungle ! das hak flux (compound, SF) siphon what you say? 5$ includes sterophonic too! 7.25 seraphim 8.8 brian frost 8.22 COMPOUND invasion (ivry, presha + ?) 9.29 genome info below -- killasubz : southbay junglizm/breakz every wednesday nite 9.30 till 2am? 18 + : 5$ (7$ special nites) 417 s.first street : sanjose : ca www.killasubz.com --MS_Mac_OE_3078170435_1046838_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-68867-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 06:24:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2320 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 06:24:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2309 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 06:24:05 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.244.1.120] From: "Augie Dogg" To: bizboi@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:23:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 06:23:34.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[01C09030:01C10E89] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! WhoA! anyone down for the mekka's stop in LA? its on sept. 1st i believe and the lineup may vary just a bit... augie ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Ben R." To: ClockworkEventz@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, nwraves@hyperreal.org, mtn-raves@hyperreal.org, nyc-raves@hyperreal.org, mo-raves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org, boston-raves@hyperreal.org, marz@egroups.com, moondance22@hotmail.com Subject: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! WhoA! Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:37:29 -0000 Two of the SF scene's moguls, Clockwork Eventz & Spundae, unite to bring the only Labor Day Weekend event in Northern California complete with a signature top-notch line-up of mega proportion. ::: M E K K A . ELECTRONIK . MUSIK . FESTIVAL. S F ::: Trance/Progressive: BT Deep Dish Max Graham Dave Ralph Jimmy Van M Saeed & Palash Tiesto House/Techno: Doc Martin Derrick Carter Dj Dan Mark Farina Bad Boy Bill H-Foundation Ron Reeser The New Deal Drum&Bass: Grooverider MC GQ LTJ Bukem MC Conrad DJ Rap Beta 01 Hip Hop: De La Soul Biz Markie Common Pharoahe Monche Talib Kweli Mix Mastermike Dj Craze 408-794-0131 . 415-721-4713 . 510-273-9317 . 916-930-1170 . 310-335-0303 More info coming SOON...STAY TUNED!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68868-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 06:32:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6073 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 06:32:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6062 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 06:32:13 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: "\(_lydia_W_\)" , "<> garber" , Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:43:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3B53D4E1.86AA5329@home.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Reggae on the River Lydia wrote: > P.S. I think I saw that bus you were talking about... at one > point I heard some > house and so I followed it and came up to a bus with a DJ > spinning on top and a > whole private dance area set up with a parachute, lights, and > everything. It > was really cool! I meant to go back the next night when they were > planning to > do more and have more people... but the brownie killed that as > well dammit. I > wanted to hear jungle all weekend while I was there, but > unfortunately no-one > came through. I was surprised because I thought I'd hear some. > That's Garth's (Wicked) Greyhound bus. He will be spinning that reggae house again this year. Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68869-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 06:33:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8027 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 06:33:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8012 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 06:33:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717063336.95676.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Melissa Byer To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ne parties this weekend? What is going on this weekend, besides Area 51? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68870-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 06:45:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13891 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 06:45:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13880 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 06:45:32 -0000 From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 02:45:22 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Is Area 51 public transport accessable? Im 90% sure I know where Area 51 is going to be, and in respect to Greg, Im not telling! But just in case IM wrong I want to know if Area 51 is BART/ MUNI accessable? Well, BART won't be running, but SF buses are 24/7. Being that I (wisely) don't have a car in the city, this info will be helpful. Thanks Greg for letting us know that. Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68871-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 07:50:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42136 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 07:50:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42124 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 07:50:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.52] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: djhuey@crackdealer.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:49:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 07:49:50.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EAD5100:01C10E95] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BsP>>David Garcia @ Construction Is anyone else going to this? I went last week and had a really good time. Defenitely worth checking out! For all of you house fiends out there, this club will defenitely satisfy your needs. The best part about it, ITS FREE!! Thats right, no cover. Just a nice clean place to get your groove on to get you through the work week! I will defenitely see some of you there! Peace, Aaron >From: "dj huey" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] BsP>>David Garcia @ Construction >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:20:24 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.43] >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD1CEBF1008E40043890D18553160CD70; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:20:33 -0700 >Received: (qmail 58086 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 02:20:32 -0000 >Received: (qmail 58075 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 02:20:31 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-68857-aaronhdixon Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:21:26 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-Id: <200107170220.TAA08975@mail12.bigmailbox.com> >X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >Hello, hello..............this WED. Night at 330 ritch Night life is proud >to have one of our bay area home town hero's David Garcia along with Torque >and me. And as always free to everyone on sfr. E-mail me back with an rsvp. >Come on down and support the sf house community ............. > >------------------------------------------------------------ >[- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68872-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 09:46:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98093 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 09:46:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98074 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 09:46:11 -0000 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQFHIxyeRpe3IQLd4QKT8h+ENtVrQIUOp32KZIZkOX2svqMp3Rrkgsfeaw= From: BluE_FragglEz@webtv.net (sodomize dragonflies) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 02:46:04 -0700 (PDT) To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <18647-3B54095C-126@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NEED HELP..AREA 51 INFO... i live in lemo0re less than an hour from fresno.. i need info..asap! time it starts ends..where it is..and the line up...its critical that find this info so0n..or else our 100 and sum odd dollars we sholved from our ever money denied pockets go to waste..and that would suck..=3D( Nahm.. ReVenGE Is LikE =9E=83RuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto in fondo nelle gabbie....." "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." il bella' esodo .....il sorgere del sole eterno... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68873-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 09:55:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 889 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 09:55:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 879 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 09:55:02 -0000 Message-ID: <015701c10ea5$f6acd880$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: , "The_List" References: <20010716092501.7255036FA@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 02:50:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Tom & Jerry see, maybe you didn't know. . . but tom n jerry are "homosexuals". . . they went after females, but they never really got any did they ? You know how like in elem school, if some lil boy likes ya, he like throws things at you and picks on you n all ? That's how tom n Jerry work. You've seen em right ? Smoking their cigarettes. . . remember the french episode when they had on the striped shirts and the lil berets ? See they're gay. . . it's totally obvious. . . they really love eachother, but it's one of those love/hate kinda relationships. . . But you know Jerry's cousin. . .that big tough mousey guy who just beats the crap outta all those kitties ? See, him n jerry grew up together. . . jerry didn't want to let his cuz down y'know. . .so he's trying to keep it on the DL. . . and Jerry's parents. . . shit. . . jerry tried dying his hair, but see. . .right after the commercial it was back to normal again. . . parents can be so strict. . . scooby doo huh. . . I get shaggy confused with gilligan sometimes. . . shaggy was a wierdo. . . fried a lil too much, can't control his voice. . . he thought that if he gave his dog acid, that his dogg (scoobie) would sudden;y grow into this evil diabolical genious (alterior motives). . . but ironicaly it kind of made scooby a lil goofy, and pretty dumb actually (for a talking dogg who solves crimes). . . I wouldn't feel comfortable driving in their lil van either. . . who painted that thing anyway ? shit if I was a crime fighting team with a couple chicks, a couple off guys, and a dogg. . .I'd at least paint my van with all sorts of sparkley stuff. . . (sparklies fight evil). . . but it was a long time ago. . . I guess they didn't know any better. . . as soon as I find Brain or a couple of the Time Bandits I'm gonna go back and teach those meddling kids a thing or two. . . : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68874-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 14:39:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27393 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 14:39:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27383 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 14:39:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: "Melissa Byer" , References: <20010717063336.95676.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:49:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 14:38:52.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[32D4C020:01C10ECE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ne parties this weekend? Electric Jello on Friday night... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Byer" To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: [sfraves] ne parties this weekend? > What is going on this weekend, besides Area 51? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68875-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 15:53:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11075 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 15:53:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11061 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 15:53:18 -0000 From: Megatron45@aol.com Message-ID: <44.105a9623.2885b963@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:53:07 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_44.105a9623.2885b963_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] paging greg sandler --part1_44.105a9623.2885b963_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey man i need to chat with u soon as possible. hit me up on the email tip or call me up thaMEGA --part1_44.105a9623.2885b963_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68876-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 16:04:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23322 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 16:04:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23312 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 16:04:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Tue) Ingrate, n.: A man who bites the hand that feeds him, and then complains of indigestion. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68877-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 16:26:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57111 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 16:26:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57100 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 16:26:42 -0000 Date: 17 Jul 2001 09:26:07 -0700 Message-ID: <20010717162607.19346.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Jul 2001 16:26:07 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: punkass@viberation.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: punkass@viberation.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Tom & Jerry On Tue, 17 July 2001, ".aryck." wrote: > see, maybe you didn't know. . . > > but tom n jerry are "homosexuals". . . **coughprojectionwhat?cough** ;-p giles --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68878-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 16:31:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65800 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 16:31:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65781 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 16:31:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:18:47 -0400 From: SUBSTITUTION X-Sender: ogwapit@hslc.org (Unverified) To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, se-raves@ravedata.com, scr@socal-raves.org, txraves@onramp.net, draves@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <3.0.32.20010717121845.00814970@hslc.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New Substitution website (with the link) Hello how are you all doing? The new Substitution site is up and running. Features include an daudio/visual section where you can experience the sites and sounds of the substitution vibe, a communication section with a chat room and messageboards and more. We will be continously updating the website. Any feedback would be appreciated. Here's the link: www.substitution.net thanks substitution SIte design be Steggo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68879-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 16:54:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 244 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 16:54:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 224 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 16:54:13 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [139.95.251.1] From: "E A R T H _" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:53:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 16:53:45.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B067E90:01C10EE1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please suggestions much appreciated sl1200s of course thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68880-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 17:16:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32642 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 17:16:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32540 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 17:16:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717171650.86554.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: The Summer To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (((PHUTURO))) Tonite: SAGE // ABSTRACT ( ( (P H U T U R O) ) ) Tuesdays / the top / 424 haight / 21+ / SF / $5 Phunckateck DJ's / MC DUH TONITE::: RESIDENTS NIGHT WITH: S A G E (Phylum/Phunckateck,SF) A B S T R A C T (Pneuma/Phunckateck,SF) Coming up next week::: DJ DZ W/ MC TYGREENO (Lostrack,TX) AND...ON JULY 31ST 2001, PHUTURO EXCLUSIVELY BRINGS YOU: M A R C U S I N T A L E X (Metalheadz/31 Recordings/CIA,UK) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Come by tonite and pick up Issue 6 of THIRD WORD Magazine, with and exlusive interview with MEGATRON and MC L-SKI. ALSO!! Tonite is Fonem aka Sine aka Shelly's birthday, so come by and buy her a flamin' dr pepper... go to www.phuturo.com for Juju info, or www.stileproject.com for gnarly porn. bye. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68881-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 18:06:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90260 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 18:06:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90249 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 18:06:21 -0000 Message-ID: <008901c10eeb$850cda40$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Cc: References: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:05:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Is Area 51 public transport accessable? AREA 51 is totally accessable by Muni. There is a bus that runs right next to the venue. Peace and love, Greg Sandler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:45 PM Subject: [sfraves] Is Area 51 public transport accessable? > Im 90% sure I know where Area 51 is going to be, and in respect to Greg, Im > not telling! But just in case IM wrong I want to know if Area 51 is BART/ > MUNI accessable? Well, BART won't be running, but SF buses are 24/7. Being > that I (wisely) don't have a car in the city, this info will be helpful. > Thanks Greg for letting us know that. > Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68882-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 18:06:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90573 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 18:06:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90328 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 18:06:22 -0000 Message-ID: <008d01c10eeb$867e1d80$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: "sodomize dragonflies" Cc: References: <18647-3B54095C-126@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:08:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NEED HELP..AREA 51 INFO... coming soon. please be patient. Greg Sandler ----- Original Message ----- From: "sodomize dragonflies" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:46 AM Subject: [sfraves] NEED HELP..AREA 51 INFO... i live in lemo0re less than an hour from fresno.. i need info..asap! time it starts ends..where it is..and the line up...its critical that find this info so0n..or else our 100 and sum odd dollars we sholved from our ever money denied pockets go to waste..and that would suck..=( Nahm.. ReVenGE Is LikE zfRuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto in fondo nelle gabbie....." "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." il bella' esodo .....il sorgere del sole eterno... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68883-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 18:17:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13258 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 18:17:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13234 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 18:17:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:16:41 EDT From: LUV5LTRPNY@aol.com To: , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <110.26fe5ec.2885db09@aol.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (NRR) Wow..... 2 weeks left!!!! I can't believe that just two weeks from tomorrow I'll be leaving all you wonderful people!!!! LA should be fun for me though, and a good change. And I will be back up about once a month so I will still see you guys every once in a while, but compared to the twice a weekend (most of you) it's gonna be hard!!! Still hasn't hit me that I'm moving though....... Jessica --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68884-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 18:31:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43948 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 18:31:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43932 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 18:31:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718063453.28288.qmail@www.nexpoint.org> References: <18647-3B54095C-126@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: <18647-3B54095C-126@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> From: "staff" To: BluE_FragglEz@webtv.net (sodomize dragonflies) Cc: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:34:53 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: NEED HELP..AREA 51 INFO... hahaha. wouldn't it be logical to find out this information, or AT LEAST the lineup before you spend your money on it? does the music even matter to people? guess i'm wrong, music isnt the answer (for most people at least) sodomize dragonflies writes: > i live in lemo0re less than an hour from fresno.. > i need info..asap! time it starts ends..where it is..and the line > up...its critical that find this info so0n..or else our 100 and sum odd > dollars we sholved from our ever money denied pockets go to waste..and > that would suck..=( > Nahm.. > > ReVenGE Is LikE žƒRuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... > > > "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto in fondo nelle > gabbie....." > "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." > il bella' esodo .....il sorgere del sole > eterno... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68885-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 18:58:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73691 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 18:58:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73680 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 18:58:15 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c10ef1$dc2c9120$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: , References: <20010717162607.19346.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:54:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Tom & Jerry > > see, maybe you didn't know. . . > > > > but tom n jerry are "homosexuals". . . > > **coughprojectionwhat?cough** > > ;-p > > giles > Hey!!! shush now. . . : ) hehe aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68886-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 19:03:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81295 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 19:03:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81281 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 19:03:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717190320.7604.qmail@web9808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] my last post sfr has been an interesting experience, but now my life is such that i no longer have time for the path of excess. i am slowly learning that in order to live a successful life, one must achieve the proper balance between work and play. i'll always keep this culture close to my heart, and will take every opportunity to help those less fortunate than me to uncover their fullest potential. For those of you that are fortunate enough in riches and friends to be able to throw your own parties, feel free to save my email address if you ever need any drum and bass dj's to fill up space. Honors are not what you receive for what you do. Honor is what you have inside you for having done them. -JFK Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68887-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 19:12:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89790 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 19:12:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89780 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 19:12:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: grint418@hotmail.com, bizboi@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:11:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 19:11:49.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[54BDF9B0:01C10EF4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! WhoA! not exactly sure how the turnout will be for the LA tour, it's on the same night as nocturnal wonderland....i'll be attending the nocturnal party....i just can't miss a rabbit in the moon performance =) little matt >From: "Augie Dogg" >To: bizboi@hotmail.com >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day >Weekend!!! WhoA! >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:23:34 -0700 > >anyone down for the mekka's stop in LA? its on sept. 1st i believe and the >lineup may vary just a bit... > >augie > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Ben R." >To: ClockworkEventz@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, >pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, nwraves@hyperreal.org, mtn-raves@hyperreal.org, >nyc-raves@hyperreal.org, mo-raves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org, >boston-raves@hyperreal.org, marz@egroups.com, moondance22@hotmail.com >Subject: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! >WhoA! >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:37:29 -0000 > >Two of the SF scene's moguls, Clockwork Eventz & Spundae, unite to bring >the >only Labor Day Weekend event in Northern California complete with a >signature top-notch line-up of mega proportion. > >::: M E K K A . ELECTRONIK . MUSIK . FESTIVAL. S F ::: > >Trance/Progressive: >BT >Deep Dish >Max Graham >Dave Ralph >Jimmy Van M >Saeed & Palash >Tiesto > >House/Techno: >Doc Martin >Derrick Carter >Dj Dan >Mark Farina >Bad Boy Bill >H-Foundation >Ron Reeser >The New Deal > >Drum&Bass: >Grooverider >MC GQ >LTJ Bukem >MC Conrad >DJ Rap >Beta 01 > >Hip Hop: >De La Soul >Biz Markie >Common >Pharoahe Monche >Talib Kweli >Mix Mastermike >Dj Craze > >408-794-0131 . 415-721-4713 . 510-273-9317 . 916-930-1170 . 310-335-0303 >More info coming SOON...STAY TUNED!!! >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68888-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 19:24:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6293 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 19:24:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6283 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 19:24:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.121.188] From: "Stephanie Stephanie" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:24:11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 19:24:12.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F2EBEF0:01C10EF6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] My SFSU orientation experience Hey people how'z it goin'? Im doin pretty good just been havin to go througb some last minute changes within the past month. It's been hecktic for me these past months because I wasn't able to decide the college I wanted to go to. First, I chose San Francisco State, I sent in all the paper work and got admitted. But one thing was bothering me, I never knew how to commute on bart alone, and the thought sent the hair on the back of my neck to rise. Along with that, I knew nobody there, I was to be completely on my own, no help, no friends, nothing, alone in a big city where many things happend, and I was just a girl from the suburbs. And then a few friends of mine told me not to go to SFSU because it was costly and far from home, I took their advice into consideration, they suggested I go to DVC, and once I had thought about it all my other friends were going to be there again. It was going to be like high school all over again, another 2-3 years. But, it sounded a lot more reasonable. And then my cousin talked to me since he went to DVC and what he told me change my entire perspective on college. He told me that while he was at JC college with friends he new for soo long he was unable to keep up with the work he was given because of all the parties, and the fact that he lived close by. There was nothing to force him to go to school because school was around the corner and he felt that he had plenty of time to do the work and go. He learned the hard way and instead of staying there for 2 years, he was there for 5. So anyway, to sum things up a little I was on the internet and decieded to browse through the SFSU website. And then, it all just hit me at one time, I wanted a future, a degree, and I wanted to meet new people, kearn new things, and travel to new areas, it would be like an adventure. So I set up an appt. for orientatiion and went to SFSU on 7/16/01. What killed me the most was the remediate classes I had to take because of my SAT scores, and because of that i couldn't go to Freshmen college level math or english yet, that sure upset me but it was my doing. So anyway I'm goin to to try it out, and see how everything works out. Is there anybody else on this list who went to orientation yesterday? Well, if so, I was the girl in the big orange jacket, black windbreakers with her hair down. Say hi if you have the chance. I would sure like to meet others goin there like me. I remember Julie was goin there, Julie Ranoa I think, are u still going btw? Cool. Well anyway, thanks for readin my thoughts and experiences about my educational life. Thanx Steph p.s. does anyone know why there are chalkboards and chalk in every stall of the women's restroom? ANyway, I was soo bored I wrote me email address on it to see if someone would happeb to email me. it was islandchik17@hotmail.com, lame but I was boredd. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68889-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 19:29:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14907 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 19:29:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14896 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 19:29:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:32:33 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <005001c10ef7$3a1d8a50$0d07c43f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C10EBC.8D96DF00" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Who can spare a ride to AREA 51? Please :D ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C10EBC.8D96DF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, im down to meet some new freinds, nearer to my age, ive met alot = of people off this by riding with them and its been fun but if anyone = out there like in the ages of 16-20 (just my preferation for me being 16 = but hey its a ride so i cant complain) is willing to help a fellow raver = in need of a ride do to his license suspension :( and would liek to meet = a great new friend, hit me back up and well talk more, im on the = guestlist for area 51 and i lost my ride and i thought id give a shout = to everyone on here and maybe yall can help meh :D I live in sunnyvale = so anyone aroudn that area would be nice and im friendly to anyones = choices of doing, so feel free around me :D PeaCe Justin ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C10EBC.8D96DF00-- From sfraves-return-68890-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 19:50:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33887 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 19:50:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33876 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 19:50:55 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:50:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 19:50:27.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9EF7C50:01C10EF9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! WhoA! Rabbit in the moon blows! >From: "trance fiend" >To: grint418@hotmail.com, bizboi@hotmail.com >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day >Weekend!!! WhoA! >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:11:49 -0700 > >not exactly sure how the turnout will be for the LA tour, it's on the same >night as nocturnal wonderland....i'll be attending the nocturnal party....i >just can't miss a rabbit in the moon performance =) > >little matt > > >>From: "Augie Dogg" >>To: bizboi@hotmail.com >>CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day >>Weekend!!! WhoA! >>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:23:34 -0700 >> >>anyone down for the mekka's stop in LA? its on sept. 1st i believe and the >>lineup may vary just a bit... >> >>augie >> >> >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: "Ben R." >>To: ClockworkEventz@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, >>sacraves@hyperreal.org, >>pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, nwraves@hyperreal.org, >>mtn-raves@hyperreal.org, >>nyc-raves@hyperreal.org, mo-raves@hyperreal.org, >>fresnoraves@hyperreal.org, >>boston-raves@hyperreal.org, marz@egroups.com, moondance22@hotmail.com >>Subject: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! >>WhoA! >>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:37:29 -0000 >> >>Two of the SF scene's moguls, Clockwork Eventz & Spundae, unite to bring >>the >>only Labor Day Weekend event in Northern California complete with a >>signature top-notch line-up of mega proportion. >> >>::: M E K K A . ELECTRONIK . MUSIK . FESTIVAL. S F ::: >> >>Trance/Progressive: >>BT >>Deep Dish >>Max Graham >>Dave Ralph >>Jimmy Van M >>Saeed & Palash >>Tiesto >> >>House/Techno: >>Doc Martin >>Derrick Carter >>Dj Dan >>Mark Farina >>Bad Boy Bill >>H-Foundation >>Ron Reeser >>The New Deal >> >>Drum&Bass: >>Grooverider >>MC GQ >>LTJ Bukem >>MC Conrad >>DJ Rap >>Beta 01 >> >>Hip Hop: >>De La Soul >>Biz Markie >>Common >>Pharoahe Monche >>Talib Kweli >>Mix Mastermike >>Dj Craze >> >>408-794-0131 . 415-721-4713 . 510-273-9317 . 916-930-1170 . 310-335-0303 >>More info coming SOON...STAY TUNED!!! >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68891-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 20:01:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51989 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 20:01:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51979 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 20:01:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717200140.72895.qmail@web12706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mark To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: NYTimes.com Article: Russia and China Sign 'Friendship' Pact What's up SF- Thought some of you may be interested in this article...sorry the formatting's all f*ed up. peace! -mark > > WW III in the making! > > > Russia and China Sign 'Friendship' Pact > > By PATRICK E. TYLER > > > > MOSCOW, July 16 — Russia and China signed a > treaty of > "friendship and cooperation" today, binding the two > giants closer > in the next 20 years and also committing them to > oppose jointly > much of the framework for international security > that the United > States is seeking to erect after the cold war. > > Composed of 25 articles, the treaty joins Russia > and China > formally in opposing the United States' missile > plans and places > Russia more firmly behind China's claim of > sovereignty over the > island of Taiwan. It also strengthens military > cooperation between > Beijing and Moscow while rejecting the intervention > that NATO > undertook in 1999 in the Balkans to stop the killing > of civilians. > > The accord, sought by China, was concluded in a > Kremlin ceremony > with effusive gestures of camaraderie. The treaty > bears the > markings of a strategic pact that sets forth the > deep concerns > shared by Moscow and Beijing about a new world order > dominated by > the United States and its European allies. The > agreement will quite > likely be the center of discussion this week when > President Bush > and the leaders of the large industrial countries > sit down with > President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia at a summit > meeting in Genoa, > Italy. > > One Russian commentator here described the treaty > as "an act of > friendship against America." > > In Washington, the Bush administration played down > the importance > of the pact, saying it fell far short of cementing > an alliance > between the two countries. Officials said the accord > had been in > the works for a long time and was no surprise. > [Article and > excerpts, Page A8.] > > Mr. Putin and President Jiang Zemin of China went > to some length > to explain that the accord, the first such agreement > signed since > the era of Stalin and Mao, was between neighbors > that are seeking a > new stability for Asian growth and development while > carrying no > content related to military alliance. > > In a joint statement, the two nations said that > they were hoping > for a "just and rational new international order" > and that the > merger of their interests enshrined today were "not > directed > against third countries." > > But in a striking similarity to the treaty politics > of the cold > war, in which Soviet leaders sought Presidents > Richard M. Nixon and > Gerald R. Ford to sign thinly disguised accords > against China under > Mao, the treaty signed today requires Moscow and > Beijing to > coordinate their response closely in the event that > either is > subjected to pressure or aggression from another > power. > > "If a threat of aggression arises," the treaty > states, the two > sides "will immediately make contact with each other > and hold > consultations in order to eliminate the emerging > threat." > > In addition, it elaborates on Mr. Putin and Mr. > Jiang's opposition > to the principle of humanitarian intervention, > established in the > NATO Balkan campaign to stop Serbian violence > against civilians in > Kosovo. > > The pact says Russia and China "uphold the strict > observance of > generally recognized principles and norms of > international law > against any actions aimed at exerting pressure or > interfering, > under any pretext, with the internal affairs of the > sovereign > states." > > For China, Russia's affirmation of Chinese > sovereignty over > Taiwan, now cemented in the more muscular confines > of this treaty, > follows the Bush administration's decision this year > to sell an > array of weaponry to the island, which has been > estranged from the > mainland for half a century. > > "The government of the People's Republic of China > is the sole > legitimate government representing the whole of > China" and "Taiwan > is an integral part of China," the document states. > The language is > certain to cause alarm on Taiwan, where > pro-independence leaders > look to the United States to defend them against > pressures from > Beijing for reunification. > > Russia is China's largest supplier for > high-technology weaponry, > as the United States is Taiwan's largest supplier > under the terms > of the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979, which binds > Washington to > provide adequate resources to the island so that it > can defend > itself in case of military pressure. > > On missile defense, the two leaders said, "Russia > and China stress > the basic importance of the Antiballistic Missile > Treaty, which is > a cornerstone of strategic stability and the basis > for reducing > offensive weapons." Both countries "speak out for > maintaining the > treaty in its current form," the pact adds. > > That last statement will complicate the Bush > administration's > strategy. Last week, it indicated that it would seek > an agreement > with Russia to allow the United States to conduct an > aggressive > program of testing missile defense interceptors and > building > missile silos and radar systems in Alaska without > treating those > tests as violations of the 1972 ABM accord. > > In a news conference today that followed the > signing of documents, > officially called the Treaty on Good Neighborly > Friendship and > Cooperation Between the Russian Federation and the > People's > Republic of China, Mr. Jiang addressed the strategic > dimensions of > pact, saying an increase in cooperation between > Beijing and Moscow > would improve global stability. > > "We believe that more active cooperation between > our countries in > discussing missile defenses and disarmament will > enhance our > efforts in building a multipolar world and establish > a fair, > rational international order," the Chinese leader > said. > > Mr. Putin agreed, and he seemed to be positioning > himself to > arrive at the summit meeting this week, where he is > to meet Mr. > Bush for the second time, as the spokesman for a > larger > constituency of countries disaffected with American > leadership. > > "We believe predictability in relations based on > good > neighborliness and legal ties" between Russia and > China "will > influence international affairs in a considerable > and positive > way," Mr. Putin said. > > In a corollary to his summitry, Mr. Putin also more > forcefully > stated Russia's opposition to NATO expansion, a > round of which is > to be announced at a summit meeting in Prague in > November 2002. > > Speaking in an interview with the Italian newspaper > Corriere della > Sera, Mr. Putin said further expansion to Russia's > borders would > prolong the divisions of the cold war. "The problem > should be > simple," he said. "In the West, everyone says, `We > don't want new > divisions in Europe, we don't want new Berlin > Walls.' Good. We > completely agree." > > "But when NATO enlarges, division doesn't > disappear, it simply > moves toward our borders," he said, complaining that > NATO actions > in Europe were free to pursue the political > objectives of the > Western alliance, even when there was no agreement > in the United > Nations Security Council for action. > > "The divisions will continue until there is a > single security area > in Europe," he told the Italian newspaper. He > suggested that just > as the Warsaw Pact was disbanded, that NATO could, > too, be > disbanded in favor of a broader security structure, > presumably one > that included Russia. "But that is not even taken > into > consideration," he said. > > In addition to the strategic dimension of the > treaty, Russia and > China formally agreed to reduce further military > forces in border > regions, fight terrorism and drug trafficking, work > to resolve the > final disputes along their 2,550 miles of border and > prevent > "groups" or third countries from using the territory > of one country > as a base against the other. They also agreed not to > aim their > strategic nuclear weapons at the other and said they > would work to > solve any dispute peacefully. > > Though China is more ideologically aligned with > Russia today, its > trade routes lie elsewhere, especially to the United > States, where > trade volume was $115 billion last year, compared > with less than > $10 billion with Russia. > > An important element of the accord, therefore, is > to increase > sales from the Russian oil, gas, nuclear and > armaments industries, > which Mr. Putin has been assiduously promoting in > his diplomatic > travels since taking office. The Tupolov airplane > factory is hoping > to take away a piece of the China market for > passenger jets from > Boeing this year with a 10-plane sale of TU-204 > jets. And Gazprom, > the Russian state energy giant, last week won a > contract to lay a > 2,400-mile gas pipeline to carry 20 billion > cubic meters of > gas a year from fields from the Xinjiang region in > western China to > Shanghai. > > Mr. Jiang will make a visit to World War II > memorials in > Volgograd, site of the decisive Battle of > Stalingrad, and then > travel to Belarus, Moldova and Malta before > returning home. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/17/international/17RUSS.html?ex=996388075&ei=1&en=a3513d90c4db88f0 > > Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company ===== "Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one." ---Voltaire __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68892-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 20:06:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60745 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 20:06:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60719 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 20:06:40 -0000 From: MadPnoy19@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:06:14 EDT To: sooyung914@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a2.16ee424e.2885f4b6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Chalkboards in Bathrooms (was My SFSU orientation experience) --part1_a2.16ee424e.2885f4b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are chalkboards in bathroom stalls to cut down on graffiti it sounds pretty corny, but it actually works. And to tell ya the truth, I find the funniest shit on those chalkboards. Good luck@SFSU...the best 6 years of your life!!!! -yonderB student since '95! --part1_a2.16ee424e.2885f4b6_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68893-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 20:08:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62451 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 20:08:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62440 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 20:08:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: junglejunkie1@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:07:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 20:07:48.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[26AF1380:01C10EFC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! WhoA! opinion noted.....i happen to like em.....personally i think jungle blows, but i don't sit around and bitch about it ;)....why do people have to be so negative????....i'll never understand people like that little matt >From: "k-boy allstar" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day >Weekend!!! WhoA! >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:50:27 -0700 > >Rabbit in the moon blows! > > >>From: "trance fiend" >>To: grint418@hotmail.com, bizboi@hotmail.com >>CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day >>Weekend!!! WhoA! >>Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:11:49 -0700 >> >>not exactly sure how the turnout will be for the LA tour, it's on the same >>night as nocturnal wonderland....i'll be attending the nocturnal >>party....i >>just can't miss a rabbit in the moon performance =) >> >>little matt >> >> >>>From: "Augie Dogg" >>>To: bizboi@hotmail.com >>>CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day >>>Weekend!!! WhoA! >>>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:23:34 -0700 >>> >>>anyone down for the mekka's stop in LA? its on sept. 1st i believe and >>>the >>>lineup may vary just a bit... >>> >>>augie >>> >>> >>>----Original Message Follows---- >>>From: "Ben R." >>>To: ClockworkEventz@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, >>>sacraves@hyperreal.org, >>>pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, nwraves@hyperreal.org, >>>mtn-raves@hyperreal.org, >>>nyc-raves@hyperreal.org, mo-raves@hyperreal.org, >>>fresnoraves@hyperreal.org, >>>boston-raves@hyperreal.org, marz@egroups.com, moondance22@hotmail.com >>>Subject: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! >>>WhoA! >>>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:37:29 -0000 >>> >>>Two of the SF scene's moguls, Clockwork Eventz & Spundae, unite to bring >>>the >>>only Labor Day Weekend event in Northern California complete with a >>>signature top-notch line-up of mega proportion. >>> >>>::: M E K K A . ELECTRONIK . MUSIK . FESTIVAL. 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Brand New. They were given to me as a gift. I heard they retail between $150 and $200, depending on where you shop. I wanted a different color. Yes, I'm a fickle bastard, but hook yourselves up. Write if interested. This is most certainly not a joke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68895-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 20:39:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20304 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 20:39:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20288 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 20:39:26 -0000 Date: 17 Jul 2001 13:38:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20010717203857.8575.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Jul 2001 20:38:57 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: litterbx@ultimanet.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] srr Reclaim the streets --dancing on the edge of terrorism? The folks that do Reclaim the streets locally, just wanted to throw in a few cents on this thread. We were shocked to be included on this list of threats to national security. Then we were like looks who is talking about terrorism. Terrorism can be more clearly seen in the actions of the american government against it's own citizens and the citizens of the world. In the name of a war on drugs, in the name of preserving "democracy" in foreign countries, and in the name of big business and the pursuit of natural resources -- the american government threatens the lives of and property of people globally. If dancing is a crime then we are guilty, if freedom of speech is criminal then we are guilty of that too, if descent is criminalized then we will be criminals. But terrorists, i don't think so. We think that people have power, power to change the world around them. It is about taking direct action, participating in and with other people in creating community. Direct action is founded in personal power to assert a voice in what goes on around you, whether it be in your schools, your jobs, your environment, your community, or what is done in your name by your government. Direct Action is part of DIY ideology. If you cannot do everything yourself, then you demand that the world around you reflect your influence. By doing parties ourselves, whether they be UGs or in the streets, we are asserting that we can and do create things, and do them how we want them to be. Simple stuff. Reclaim the streets parties, draw tens of thousands of people in Europe and especially england, where the Criminal Justice Bill criminalised unathorized/underground dance parties and limited free speech and descent. I think that there are striking similarities to what is happening right now in america with what happened then (the early nineties) in the UK. Youth culture and EDM have blown up here finally, we all want to dance and the non club venues and all ages events are virtually gone, especially in other cities. Drug hysteria and the criminalization of youth, are the guiding forces of the public law. How does dance culture and the kids who want to dance, express their descent? Mainly, I just wanted to get across, what the powers that be fear, they fear people getting organized and taking their own power. They fear people saying that they have had enough-> violence, destruction of the earth, and people telling them what to do. It is all about ideas. tomcat Love is the law, harm no one. Critical thinking is so critical. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68896-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 21:26:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11284 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 21:26:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11271 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 21:26:24 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010717142602.00b9ace8@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:26:58 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] My SFSU orientation experience well, mathematicians are never constipated, they can always work it out with a pencil.. perhaps SFSU is offering you the same opportunity, via chalk! sarilion At 07:24 PM 7/17/2001 +0000, Stephanie Stephanie wrote: >Hey people how'z it goin'? Im doin pretty good just been havin to go >througb some last minute changes within the past month. It's been hecktic >for me these past months because I wasn't able to decide the college I >wanted to go to. First, I chose San Francisco State, I sent in all the >paper work and got admitted. But one thing was bothering me, I never knew >how to commute on bart alone, and the thought sent the hair on the back of >my neck to rise. Along with that, I knew nobody there, I was to be >completely on my own, no help, no friends, nothing, alone in a big city >where many things happend, and I was just a girl from the suburbs. And >then a few friends of mine told me not to go to SFSU because it was costly >and far from home, I took their advice into consideration, they suggested >I go to DVC, and once I had thought about it all my other friends were >going to be there again. It was going to be like high school all over >again, another 2-3 years. But, it sounded a lot more reasonable. And then >my cousin talked to me since he went to DVC and what he told me change my >entire perspective on college. He told me that while he was at JC college >with friends he new for soo long he was unable to keep up with the work he >was given because of all the parties, and the fact that he lived close >by. There was nothing to force him to go to school because school was >around the corner and he felt that he had plenty of time to do the work >and go. He learned the hard way and instead of staying there for 2 years, >he was there for 5. So anyway, to sum things up a little I was on the >internet and decieded to browse through the SFSU website. And then, it all >just hit me at one time, I wanted a future, a degree, and I wanted to meet >new people, kearn new things, and travel to new areas, it would be like an >adventure. So I set up an appt. for orientatiion and went to SFSU on >7/16/01. What killed me the most was the remediate classes I had to take >because of my SAT scores, and because of that i couldn't go to Freshmen >college level math or english yet, that sure upset me but it was my doing. >So anyway I'm goin to to try it out, and see how everything works out. Is >there anybody else on this list who went to orientation yesterday? Well, >if so, I was the girl in the big orange jacket, black windbreakers with >her hair down. Say hi if you have the chance. I would sure like to meet >others goin there like me. I remember Julie was goin there, Julie Ranoa I >think, are u still going btw? Cool. Well anyway, thanks for readin my >thoughts and experiences about my educational life. Thanx > >Steph > > >p.s. does anyone know why there are chalkboards and chalk in every stall >of the women's restroom? ANyway, I was soo bored I wrote me email address >on it to see if someone would happeb to email me. it was >islandchik17@hotmail.com, lame but I was boredd. >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68897-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 21:46:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34424 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 21:46:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34402 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 21:46:29 -0000 Message-ID: <3B54B21F.9AFE583C@home.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:46:07 -0700 From: Nicola Rae Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karma-Catt CC: The List References: <20010717011444.27962.qmail@web4404.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Saturday alternative... (ducked out on HK) Woah! what time did you get to that party? I was there with Osby and Jeff until like 3:30 or 4:00, something like that. But yeah, I must have just missed you or something! It definitley was a nice little party! Actually we were thinking about HK as well, but the majority of us were broke... and $40 is a lot for broke kids! sooo, luckily we heard of the party in Emeryville! I'm glad thats where we ended up though! It was tiny party but the vibe was huge! Great night! I hope to see more parties there. Jeez! I havn't checked my mailbox in 2 days... so this is kind of delayed, but I hope you all had a great weekend as well! love, Nicola Karma-Catt wrote: > > So, the plan was to go to the Happy Kids Party.. of > coarse... I always love the vibe there and all that, > but my man calls me at around 9:30 while I'm still > getting ready for the party... and tells me where the > parties at... > > YIKES!!! and DOUBLE YIKES!!! > > an ice skating rink again! Hhhhhelllllllllssss no!!!! > I did that last year, and fell on my knee and > couldn't dance the rest of the night! So, change of > plans... we went to this little underground > gathering.. in (get this) Emeryville! Tight ya know, > cuz it's like 5 minutes from my house just off the > freeway :o) yada yada > > DJ Tirrell, Alkaline, and Fuckwork were all spinning > (which is how we knew about it!) Then this guy DJ Pat > Jensen spun this little house set (also got a free cd > from him) and it was just a totally chill atmosphere! > > There were 2 decent sized rooms... one chill room and > the other room was sound and visuals... no more then > like about 50 people there (it could've fit 300) but > that made it cozy and of coarse, in situations like > that, you're gonna talk to everyone at least once:o) > So, yea it was nice... the people that put it together > were very chill and they're trying to turn this thing > into a more frequent type of event, along with nights > where they have poetry readings, and art showings as > well. blah blah blah... even though I read the HK > reviews (and there were a few DJs I would've liked to > hear spin again) it was definitely a great > alternative!!! > > Love, > Catt *meow* > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68898-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 21:56:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49819 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 21:56:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49808 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 21:56:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c10f0c$5cb9f700$LocalHost@two.zengine.com> From: "DJ Kir Kryyn (Beau D. Simensen)" To: , , Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:03:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C10ED1.AFFF9180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Halogen Radio Tonight! ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C10ED1.AFFF9180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A couple of new names on the list tonight! Somewhere between 7:00 and = 8:00PM, we'll be starting the show! Tune in to http://radio.halogen.org/ = for updates and links to the streams. (The stream links won't be up = until we're actually broadcasting...) o Ohm o Kir Kryyn o Ecko o Terrab Take care, and have a great day! DJ Kir Kryyn Beau D. Simensen http://www.dj-kirkryyn.com/ AIM: Kir Kryyn ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C10ED1.AFFF9180-- From sfraves-return-68899-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 22:03:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56711 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 22:03:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56685 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 22:03:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717220319.62070.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mikey J Reply-To: mijo976@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DnB from my bedroom (3:30-5:30 PST) Just another Tuesday in the Crackramento... as always for the trainspotting junkie, new tunes from the likes... John B, Klute, Q Project,Twisted Individual etc etc etc No excuse to be bored at work. Hit me up on IM, gimme a request! MUCH RESPECT today and every Tuesday 3:30 to 5:30 PM PST live DnB from my living room... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/15street.asp requests, rewinds, trainspotters welcome AIM- michaelj976 ICQ- 121861350 mikey J selekta.com "turn your learn on" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68900-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 22:05:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59609 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 22:05:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59598 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 22:05:19 -0000 From: "djSyMPLiSTiK" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c10f0c$8d963460$a4a3fa18@c1586593b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20010717142602.00b9ace8@qix.netcorps.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] My SFSU orientation experience I went to SFSU for about a year till I dropped out :) Was fun, you should enjoy yourself! Lots of cool people and cool things to do there. djSyMPLiSTiK Hard house / hi-nrg www.vulpinearts.com At 07:24 PM 7/17/2001 +0000, Stephanie Stephanie wrote: >Hey people how'z it goin'? Im doin pretty good just been havin to go >througb some last minute changes within the past month. It's been hecktic >for me these past months because I wasn't able to decide the college I >wanted to go to. First, I chose San Francisco State, I sent in all the >paper work and got admitted. But one thing was bothering me, I never knew >how to commute on bart alone, and the thought sent the hair on the back of >my neck to rise. Along with that, I knew nobody there, I was to be >completely on my own, no help, no friends, nothing, alone in a big city >where many things happend, and I was just a girl from the suburbs. And >then a few friends of mine told me not to go to SFSU because it was costly >and far from home, I took their advice into consideration, they suggested >I go to DVC, and once I had thought about it all my other friends were >going to be there again. It was going to be like high school all over >again, another 2-3 years. But, it sounded a lot more reasonable. And then >my cousin talked to me since he went to DVC and what he told me change my >entire perspective on college. He told me that while he was at JC college >with friends he new for soo long he was unable to keep up with the work he >was given because of all the parties, and the fact that he lived close >by. There was nothing to force him to go to school because school was >around the corner and he felt that he had plenty of time to do the work >and go. He learned the hard way and instead of staying there for 2 years, >he was there for 5. So anyway, to sum things up a little I was on the >internet and decieded to browse through the SFSU website. And then, it all >just hit me at one time, I wanted a future, a degree, and I wanted to meet >new people, kearn new things, and travel to new areas, it would be like an >adventure. So I set up an appt. for orientatiion and went to SFSU on >7/16/01. What killed me the most was the remediate classes I had to take >because of my SAT scores, and because of that i couldn't go to Freshmen >college level math or english yet, that sure upset me but it was my doing. >So anyway I'm goin to to try it out, and see how everything works out. Is >there anybody else on this list who went to orientation yesterday? Well, >if so, I was the girl in the big orange jacket, black windbreakers with >her hair down. Say hi if you have the chance. I would sure like to meet >others goin there like me. I remember Julie was goin there, Julie Ranoa I >think, are u still going btw? Cool. Well anyway, thanks for readin my >thoughts and experiences about my educational life. Thanx > >Steph > > >p.s. does anyone know why there are chalkboards and chalk in every stall >of the women's restroom? ANyway, I was soo bored I wrote me email address >on it to see if someone would happeb to email me. it was >islandchik17@hotmail.com, lame but I was boredd. >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68901-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 22:14:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71377 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 22:14:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71367 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 22:14:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717221448.19751.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr - repost: queen sized bed for sale/trade well, i received many replies from my initial post but some s4!t went down and i got really busy... anyway, i bought a full sized bed off a woman from craigslist last week and it turned out to be a queen... normally one would be happy about that but, i have a nook in which i keep my bed and it just wont fit with out some demolition... so if you have a full sized bed and want a queen, let me know and we can swap... if you don't have a bed at all and want a queen, let me know... i bought the bed for $100 and am selling it for that if i can't find someone to swap with... it is just a boxspring and mattress, no frame... i do not have a truck/van but, if need be can possibly arrange to use my friends again but would prefer not to... i am internetless on the weekends and in the evenings but can be reached at (510) 641-8869 ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68902-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 23:07:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8750 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 23:07:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8739 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 23:07:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.19] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:07:08 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 23:07:13.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[37278030:01C10F15] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DJ D @ STEREOPHONIK 7/18 Five dollars, 18 and up, and a boat load of fun. This week! Leon Cook ARA Owen And , of course, DJ D! Stereophonik is every Wednesday at the Cactus Club, 417 S 1st St, San Jose, Ca, 18 and up, five dollars, REAL UNDERGROUND S--T! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68903-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 23:08:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10033 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 23:08:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10023 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 23:08:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.19] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:07:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 23:07:37.0973 (UTC) FILETIME=[459CFA50:01C10F15] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DJ D @ STEREOPHONIK 7/18 Five dollars, 18 and up, and a boat load of fun. This week! Leon Cook ARA Owen And , of course, DJ D! Visuals by Terry of Viberation! Stereophonik is every Wednesday at the Cactus Club, 417 S 1st St, San Jose, Ca, 18 and up, five dollars, REAL UNDERGROUND S--T! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68904-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 23:09:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11597 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 23:09:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11587 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 23:09:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717230928.27803.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:09:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] little fuzzy white seals nrr i don't know how long this has been going on, but up in canada people hunt baby seals. they chase them on foot and club them on the head. i have seen pictures of the little seals crawling on their bellies trying to get away from the MEN who do this (i don't know about the female hunters...these are white men, not indigenous peoples either, so i am guessing that this is for sport or commercial endeavor). nothing would make me happier than to see the end of this NOW, or at the very least during my lifetime.... i will never, ever understand that kind of unmerited aggression. it is one of the most horrible things i have ever seen in my life. if you are an environmentalist, an animal rights activist or simply someone who cares, please do what you can about things like this. these people are cruel to human beings who try to stop them...did you know that if you bite into a man's adam's apple is fatal? well, it is. a swift, firm hit would do the trick too, but sometimes they live. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68905-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 23:19:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18299 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 23:19:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18287 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 23:19:06 -0000 Message-ID: <026801c10f16$d6c35ff0$6900000a@tendocom.org> Reply-To: "matt newell" From: "matt newell" To: "Geri Dahl" , References: <20010717230928.27803.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:18:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 23:18:50.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6BA3830:01C10F16] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] little fuzzy white seals nrr thank god geri. i was seriously starting to wonder what i'd be doing for vacation around christmas time this year -- and to think i was going to head for hawaii! imagine! ravers in big pants chasing lil fury creatures around an iceberg with heavy caliber weaponry ... what a scene it'll be! :D will there be an sfr meetup? maybe we could invite a dj for some background music? in all reality though. if i had to live up there, i'd be drinking beer and trying to kill things too. wait, now i'm helping perpetuate this thread. shit. .. matt .. www.sweetillusions.org .. matt@sweetillusions.org .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geri Dahl" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 4:09 PM Subject: [sfraves] little fuzzy white seals nrr : i don't know how long this has been going on, but up : in canada people hunt baby seals. they chase them on : foot and : club them on the head. i have seen pictures of the : little seals crawling on their bellies trying to get : away : from the MEN who do this (i don't know about the : female hunters...these are white men, not indigenous : peoples either, : so i am guessing that this is for sport or commercial : endeavor). nothing would make me happier than to see : the : end of this NOW, or at the very least during my : lifetime.... : i will never, ever understand that kind of unmerited : aggression. it is one of the most horrible things i : have ever : seen in my life. if you are an environmentalist, an : animal rights activist or simply someone who cares, : please : do what you can about things like this. these people : are cruel to human beings who try to stop them...did : you know that if : you bite into a man's adam's apple is fatal? well, it : is. a swift, firm hit would do the trick too, but : sometimes they live. :) : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail : http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org : For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68906-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 23:22:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22659 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 23:22:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22632 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 23:22:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3B54C816.DEF0803@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:19:50 -0700 From: Big Appetite X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [bsp] Clean Plate Club - Saturday night - Chris Jackson vs AndyW Techno is not a fad. It is not going to die. Ever. It will not come and go with the changings of hairstyles, operating systems, and new flavors of Doritos. Techno is raw and pure electronic rhythm - the timeless heartbeat of the universe channelled through plastic discs and vibrating boxes. As many of us have felt so personally, techno is most certainly a force of good, a force filled with energy and emotion that ignites our minds and feeds our souls. So be nice to techno, and it just might be very, very nice to you. Techno in San Francisco is alive and kickin'. Let's gather round the tables and kick it again tonight. ======================================= big appetite presents.... CLEAN PLATE CLUB Saturday, July 21st (& every 3rd Saturday) An Sibin 1176 Sutter @ Polk, SF 21+ w/ ID 9pm - 2am $7 (free til 9:30) With tender and juicy guest DJs: ========= Chris Jackson vs. AndyW =========== resource records : san jose | resource / viberation : sj 12:00-2:00 (the bay's favorite techno thumpers keepin' it deep and clean) =============== Chad Mindrive ================ erotishock / clean plate club 10:30-12:00 (deep tech-house maestro blowin' your mind every time) ============ Protolab - LIVE PA ============== exact-science / cybrid / aelectro 9:00-10:30 (spicy laptop appetizers from a 10yr production veteran) Hope to see all you techno / tech-house fans (and hungry housecats) out Saturday night to show your support of the local scene. Thanks again to Andre Lucero and Nikola for their amazing performances last month. Absolutely crackin'! And for all you die-hard house fans out there: Ooooh, child, do we have a treat for you next month!!! Peace and progress to all, ----> Greg "I sure don't eat like a" Bird ********************************************** Reply w/ "add" to receive our monthly e-flyer w/ .jpgs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68907-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 23:25:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24759 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 23:25:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24736 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 23:25:47 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.228.10.62] From: "will devoe" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, breakbeat3000@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:25:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 23:25:17.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCFFF500:01C10F17] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Attention Monterey Bay S a t u r d a y J u l y 2 8 t h Grassy Knolls Multimedia Studio Old Town Salinas Main Street between Alisal Street and Gabilan Street 9:30pm to 1:00am (maybe longer) ...................................... FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE ...................................... S C I E N T I S T S OF S O U N D kelau kikkoman kiyoshi 1 will be spinning: DubReggae + HipHop + Breaks + Jungle So come out and chill to the music. p e a c e kiYoshi 1 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68908-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 23:26:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26198 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 23:26:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26188 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 23:26:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:24:35 -0700 From: Erik W Gilling To: E A R T H _ Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010717162435.A3164@konkers.net> Reply-To: Erik W Gilling References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from earth909@hotmail.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:53:45PM -0000 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please Fry's has them for under 500 (479 I think). That's the best local price I've found. -Erik On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:53:45PM -0000, E A R T H _ wrote: > > suggestions much appreciated > sl1200s of course > thanks! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68909-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 23:32:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35280 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 23:32:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35269 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 23:32:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh To: Big Appetite cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3B54C816.DEF0803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] [bsp] Clean Plate Club - Saturday night - Chris Jackson vs AndyW > ============ Protolab - LIVE PA ============== > exact-science / cybrid / aelectro > 9:00-10:30 > (spicy laptop appetizers from a 10yr production veteran) Man, you gotta have protolab back soon and let them play later in the evening. these guys throw down way past a 9-1030 in a big way. Although the rest of the lineup throws down past 9-1030 as well. jahsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68910-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 23:40:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45755 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 23:40:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45726 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 23:40:55 -0000 Date: 17 Jul 2001 16:40:24 -0700 Message-ID: <20010717234024.24549.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Jul 2001 23:40:24 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: aK@GrooveFactoryPro.com From: punkass@viberation.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: punkass@viberation.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Tom & Jerry On Tue, 17 July 2001, ".aryck." wrote: > > **coughprojectionwhat?cough** > > Hey!!! > > shush now. . . heh heh. :-) giles --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68911-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 17 23:44:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51846 invoked by uid 1104); 17 Jul 2001 23:44:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51764 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 23:44:45 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:46:06 -0800 From: MODA To: Stephanie Stephanie , sfraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] My SFSU orientation experience I chose SFSU over CAL and had a fantastic experience. There's a world of difference in re: SFSU vs. DVC. I took what they called an advanced course in French linguistics at DVC, during a summer session, a while back, and fell asleep in boredom most of the time. Be certain to enroll in the Sexual Variations Class at SFSU. It's the most popular course at State. When I was there, that class would fetch about 120= 0 peeps. The exhibitions were off the hook! Especially the beastiality film they show. It sells out every year! Good luck! You made a good choice! 8) MODA On 7/17/01 11:24 AM, "Stephanie Stephanie" wrote: > Hey people how'z it goin'? Im doin pretty good just been havin to go thro= ugb > some last minute changes within the past month. It's been hecktic for me > these past months because I wasn't able to decide the college I wanted to= go > to. First, I chose San Francisco State, I sent in all the paper work and = got > admitted. But one thing was bothering me, I never knew how to commute on > bart alone, and the thought sent the hair on the back of my neck to rise. > Along with that, I knew nobody there, I was to be completely on my own, n= o > help, no friends, nothing, alone in a big city where many things happend, > and I was just a girl from the suburbs. And then a few friends of mine to= ld > me not to go to SFSU because it was costly and far from home, I took thei= r > advice into consideration, they suggested I go to DVC, and once I had > thought about it all my other friends were going to be there again. It wa= s > going to be like high school all over again, another 2-3 years. But, it > sounded a lot more reasonable. And then my cousin talked to me since he w= ent > to DVC and what he told me change my entire perspective on college. He to= ld > me that while he was at JC college with friends he new for soo long he wa= s > unable to keep up with the work he was given because of all the parties, > and the fact that he lived close by. There was nothing to force him to go= to > school because school was around the corner and he felt that he had plent= y > of time to do the work and go. He learned the hard way and instead of > staying there for 2 years, he was there for 5. So anyway, to sum things = up > a little I was on the internet and decieded to browse through the SFSU > website. And then, it all just hit me at one time, I wanted a future, a > degree, and I wanted to meet new people, kearn new things, and travel to = new > areas, it would be like an adventure. So I set up an appt. for orientatii= on > and went to SFSU on 7/16/01. What killed me the most was the remediate > classes I had to take because of my SAT scores, and because of that i > couldn't go to Freshmen college level math or english yet, that sure upse= t > me but it was my doing. So anyway I'm goin to to try it out, and see how > everything works out. Is there anybody else on this list who went to > orientation yesterday? Well, if so, I was the girl in the big orange jack= et, > black windbreakers with her hair down. Say hi if you have the chance. I > would sure like to meet others goin there like me. I remember Julie was g= oin > there, Julie Ranoa I think, are u still going btw? Cool. Well anyway, tha= nks > for readin my thoughts and experiences about my educational life. Thanx >=20 > Steph >=20 >=20 > p.s. does anyone know why there are chalkboards and chalk in every stall = of > the women's restroom? 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(415) 215-1612 FAX (510) 339-3887 http://www.trancefusion.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68912-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 00:01:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78497 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 00:01:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78484 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 00:01:56 -0000 Date: 17 Jul 2001 17:01:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20010718000125.5132.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Jul 2001 00:01:25 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: punkass@viberation.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: punkass@viberation.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] how to dream techno last night I had a dream which involved techno -- the techno in the dream was completely original, never heard it before, live and direct from the subconscious, etc. I've had this experience only about three times total in my life. however, I spent most of 1997 and 1998 studying hypnosis and it is at least theoretically possible to make a hypnosis tape which would allow you to experience this any night and every night. what I'm wondering is, if you could buy such a tape, would you? assume that it worked incredibly well and was produced very professionally. also, if anybody can think of a way to do this well without charging people, let me know. giles --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68913-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 01:01:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35190 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 01:01:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35106 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 01:01:19 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c10f25$e1a86280$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , , Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:06:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C10EEB.336BF0E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: "No Intelligence" Policy causes expulsion ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C10EEB.336BF0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2001/departments/2001_06_28/upfront_1.html -B "If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with = a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to = inform their discretion by education" - Thomas Jefferson=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C10EEB.336BF0E0-- From sfraves-return-68914-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 01:11:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62875 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 01:11:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62862 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 01:11:15 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Buzz" To: "SF Raves" Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:10:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] On the school topic... Is anyone attending Sonoma State University (SSU) this year for their first time? There is a small, but slowly growing group of ravers here, and if you're coming up, let me know!! - Buzz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68915-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 01:27:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73592 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 01:27:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73573 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 01:27:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.247.141] From: "Augie Dogg" To: norcalraver@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:26:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 01:26:30.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC07DEF0:01C10F28] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! WhoA! well, i'l just have to judge the lineups- both will be worth going to. haven't yet gone to an LA massive, all will be put to the test august 11th when juju beats occurs. but anyways there will be plenty of talent at each! btw, i think RITM is awesome =) augie ----Original Message Follows---- From: "trance fiend" To: grint418@hotmail.com, bizboi@hotmail.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! WhoA! Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:11:49 -0700 not exactly sure how the turnout will be for the LA tour, it's on the same night as nocturnal wonderland....i'll be attending the nocturnal party....i just can't miss a rabbit in the moon performance =) little matt >From: "Augie Dogg" >To: bizboi@hotmail.com >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day >Weekend!!! WhoA! >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:23:34 -0700 > >anyone down for the mekka's stop in LA? its on sept. 1st i believe and the >lineup may vary just a bit... > >augie > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Ben R." >To: ClockworkEventz@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, >pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, nwraves@hyperreal.org, mtn-raves@hyperreal.org, >nyc-raves@hyperreal.org, mo-raves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org, >boston-raves@hyperreal.org, marz@egroups.com, moondance22@hotmail.com >Subject: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Labor Day Weekend!!! >WhoA! >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:37:29 -0000 > >Two of the SF scene's moguls, Clockwork Eventz & Spundae, unite to bring >the >only Labor Day Weekend event in Northern California complete with a >signature top-notch line-up of mega proportion. > >::: M E K K A . ELECTRONIK . MUSIK . FESTIVAL. S F ::: > >Trance/Progressive: >BT >Deep Dish >Max Graham >Dave Ralph >Jimmy Van M >Saeed & Palash >Tiesto > >House/Techno: >Doc Martin >Derrick Carter >Dj Dan >Mark Farina >Bad Boy Bill >H-Foundation >Ron Reeser >The New Deal > >Drum&Bass: >Grooverider >MC GQ >LTJ Bukem >MC Conrad >DJ Rap >Beta 01 > >Hip Hop: >De La Soul >Biz Markie >Common >Pharoahe Monche >Talib Kweli >Mix Mastermike >Dj Craze > >408-794-0131 . 415-721-4713 . 510-273-9317 . 916-930-1170 . 310-335-0303 >More info coming SOON...STAY TUNED!!! >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68916-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 01:44:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87143 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 01:44:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87127 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 01:44:32 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:55:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP FW: Please Endorse Musicians & Fine Artists for World Peace From: Bflyspirit@aol.com [mailto:Bflyspirit@aol.com] Subject: Please Endorse & Forward Musicians & Fine Artists for World Peace An Invitation to Help Usher in World Peace Dear musician, performer, artisan, producer or venue: The Butterfly Gardeners and Woodstock Nation are inviting you to become a part of Musicians & Fine Artists for World Peace and Transformation (MFAWPAT). Performers, artists, DJs, musicians, producers, music venues and festivals from around the nation, especially in the San Francisco Bay Area, can have a very special role in cocreating world peace and transformation through the performance arts. Please see www.woodstocknation.org/Performing.htm Musicians & Fine Artists for World Peace is an outgrowth of Performing & Fine Artists for World Peace. We started a sister organization to focus on wider political issues, thus allowing Performing & Fine Artists for World Peace to keep its focus on educational programs and within the original vision of its charter. In addition to our interest in world peace and the environment campaign and election reform, including the abolition or democratization of the Electoral College, campaign reform, supporting Congressman Kucinich's proposal for a cabinet level Department of Peace - see http://www.house.gov/kucinich/action/peace.htm , reforming the criminal justice system and the three strikes law, making the office of public defender an elected position, corporate responsibility, raising global consciousness, supporting and developing sustainable communities, helping indigenous causes, increasing funding for art and music, and making life easier for artists and musicians who are an important ingredient to transforming and improving our lives. We will also be working in collaboration with Project Chrysalis, Project Chrysalis is a program to bring performers, musicians, dancers, artists, clowns, story tellers, puppeteers, and mimes into hospitals, hospices, schools, juvenile youth facilities, senior centers and other institutions that can use joy and healing entertainment for adults as well as children. We also plan to use other therapies such as horticulture, drumming, healing touch and massage, comedy, and theater as well. We believe that love and caring can be powerful therapeutic tools. Our members offer this through performance arts and other means. We will go wherever there is a calling. We would also like to help get artists and musicians the contacts, grants, sponsorships, and funding they need to continue their work so that we can cocreate a new culture of peace on Earth together. We plan to use our members to organize a series on concerts and a "Party for the Planet" that we hope may rebirth the spirit of the 60's in this new millennium. What we are really talking about here is a seed for a Woodstock Rainbow Butterfly Revival for the entire planet!!! Benefits of membership Besides supporting a good cause, your endorsement will offer many benefits. We will promote the artists, musicians, performers, venues and producers that join, publicize gigs on our events calendar, carry out media and public relations campaigns, issue critical news releases on our efforts, create a network of party activists and party goers to support the musicians and venues, and provide decorations and art for all our events. We even plan to make banners, artwork, and other decorations, made by member artists, that can be left behind at selected venues for the pleasure of your music and performance patrons. All members will also have a link on the Woodstock Nation website too! A brief history Performing & Fine Artists for World Peace was founded in 1986 by Howard Shapiro. As a songwriter and performing artist, Howard has always believed that he should use his creative gifts to support others in their work. That was the reason he created PFAWP, a nonprofit organization to do just that. Howard sees the artist in society as a powerful force to bring about positive social change. In our first brochure we stated that our organization "emphasizes the arts as a means to promote certain ideals." These include harmony between the earth and its inhabitants, respect for the human rights of all people and the equitable sharing of the earth's resources so that all people will have the necessities of life." Our mission is to establish a global network of performing & fine artists who dedicate their work to peace, promote freedom of expression through the arts and oppose governmental repression of creativity; preserves the diverse cultures of the world through cultural exchange; support environmental, human rights, world hunger and peace education organizations with their work; and support the goals of the United Nations and other international bodies addressing global issues. In 1987 we received the Peace Messenger Award from the United Nations. I mention this because, although we were and still remain a small grassroots organization, this recognition supported our efforts to network with other organizations across the US and internationally. Since our inception in 1986, we have sponsored art exhibits, concerts, festivals and workshops. Some of these have included the International Month of Peace, Caring for the Earth Month, The Dream Lives On: A Tribute to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the International Day of Peace Art Exhibit. I have had the honor of representing our organization at a number of international conferences where I have shared the work of our organization and performed my original music. One our most successful programs is Earth-Friendly Schools Hawai`i-Int. This program not only promotes caring for the earth, but the values of respect, responsibility, commitment and service. It was created on the island of Kaua`i in 1992 and has since expanded to include schools across the state of Hawai`i, on the mainland US and internationally. We are currently working with a number of national and international organizations. These include the LifeLink Foundation, Pathways to Peace, M. K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence and KIDSFACE(For a Clean Environment). We furthermore are closely working with the Butterfly Gardeners Association, Authors for a Positive Millennium, and other organizations that plan to collectively make this happen by promoting this concept with the proposed Patch Adams Centers for Peace and Justice. We look forward to working with them on projects that foster love for the earth and caring for humanity. As an organization that focuses on the arts and the role of the artist in society, our projects with the Butterfly Gardeners Association will be in that area with special emphasis on music i. e. concerts, recordings, radio programs etc. As founder and director of the Butterfly Gardener's Association, I will be working with Howard in putting together a directory of environmental, peace, and spiritual individuals and organizations working on global healing and transformational projects. We would welcome receiving information about your projects and the good work that you are doing. We strongly believe in forming partnerships between organizations addressing social and environmental issues. You are welcome to include a short bio about yourself and your work and possibly one of your CDs that best expresses this shared dream. Your support of Performing and Fine Artists for World Peace will be greatly appreciated. If you would like to get actively involved, please let me know. You might help with the visioning, organizing and birthing of this organization by joining our advisory committee. You may also help by offering to perform at an upcoming benefit, or by helping to sponsor one if you are in a position to do that. Another easy way to help us immediately would be to forward this message to your email contacts and ask them to help by doing the same. Please feel free to forward this message to your e-mail contacts and ask them to help by doing the same. Consider helping us to solve the following mystery; 1) What is your bliss, dream or passion? 2) What is your favorite cause and/or organization? 3) Were you or a friend ever touched by a butterfly in some personal way? Your story submissions are most certainly welcome and appreciated. 4) Do you have a website? 5) Where do you live? In your reply please include your name, address, phone number (specify if its home, office, or both), and any group affiliation or position. If you don't wish to give out your complete mailing address or phone number, please send us at least your city, state and zip code as that helps us to regionalize our mailing list. We can then either send you our Bay area events calendar or keep you abreast of any special happening in your area of the country. We look forward to hearing from you in the near future. Please see our list of members following our salutation. Our warmest alohas, Alan Moore and Howard Shapiro Alan D. Moore Butterfly Gardeners Association & Project Chrysalis - Director and founder Patch Adams Peace and Justice Center - Director and founder Musicians and Fine Artists for World Peace - Director and founder International Association of Educators for World Peace - Western States Regional Program Director Authors for a Positive Millennium - Co-director 1563 Solano Ave. # 477, Berkeley CA 94707 510-528-7730 Email: bflyspirit@aol.com www.woodstocknation.org/butterfly.htm http://prop1.org/butterfly.htm www.woodstocknation.org/Performing.htm www.homeplanet.org/iaewp www.patchadams.org www.petitiononline.com/bfly2012/petition.html The Earth Proclamation Please also cc your responses to: Howard Shapiro Executive Director Performing & Fine Artists for World Peace P. O. Box 1050 Volcano, Hawaii 96785 (808)985-8725 e-mail: artpeac@aloha.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68917-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 01:47:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90395 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 01:47:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90365 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 01:47:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.174.226.250] From: "<> garber" To: moda@trancefusion.com, sooyung914@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:46:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 01:46:46.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[80F38D60:01C10F2B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] My SFSU orientation experience Hey, I am a current student at DVC. I have to give props to this school (that sounds sort of funny). But really, for working students, like myself, and more over for non rich students, DVC is really a bargain. I have been able to complete about 50 units in classes two days a week for four semesters. I know that many people think it is too much like high school...but who are you? I go to class, I take it seriously, when I am there I focus and get my shit done. When class is out I go to work or go home or get a beer....either way, I don't find myself wasting time or energy on bullshit people from High School. And the few people I have met through the campus have been interesting as well. Next year I am actually hoping to be accepted into the SFSU internation program in Italy...we'll see, but for now I am finishing up my units at Diablo Valley College....Represent! haha. really, don't be discouraged by JC or CC, DVC is actually the best JC in the area. words from a studying sister~ Sarah >From: MODA >To: Stephanie Stephanie , sfraves > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] My SFSU orientation experience >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:46:06 -0800 > >I chose SFSU over CAL and had a fantastic experience. There's a world of >difference in re: SFSU vs. DVC. I took what they called an advanced course >in French linguistics at DVC, during a summer session, a while back, and >fell asleep in boredom most of the time. > >Be certain to enroll in the Sexual Variations Class at SFSU. It's the most >popular course at State. When I was there, that class would fetch about >1200 >peeps. The exhibitions were off the hook! Especially the beastiality film >they show. It sells out every year! > >Good luck! You made a good choice! 8) MODA > >On 7/17/01 11:24 AM, "Stephanie Stephanie" wrote: > > > Hey people how'z it goin'? Im doin pretty good just been havin to go >througb > > some last minute changes within the past month. It's been hecktic for me > > these past months because I wasn't able to decide the college I wanted >to go > > to. First, I chose San Francisco State, I sent in all the paper work and >got > > admitted. But one thing was bothering me, I never knew how to commute on > > bart alone, and the thought sent the hair on the back of my neck to >rise. > > Along with that, I knew nobody there, I was to be completely on my own, >no > > help, no friends, nothing, alone in a big city where many things >happend, > > and I was just a girl from the suburbs. And then a few friends of mine >told > > me not to go to SFSU because it was costly and far from home, I took >their > > advice into consideration, they suggested I go to DVC, and once I had > > thought about it all my other friends were going to be there again. It >was > > going to be like high school all over again, another 2-3 years. But, it > > sounded a lot more reasonable. And then my cousin talked to me since he >went > > to DVC and what he told me change my entire perspective on college. He >told > > me that while he was at JC college with friends he new for soo long he >was > > unable to keep up with the work he was given because of all the >parties, > > and the fact that he lived close by. There was nothing to force him to >go to > > school because school was around the corner and he felt that he had >plenty > > of time to do the work and go. He learned the hard way and instead of > > staying there for 2 years, he was there for 5. So anyway, to sum things >up > > a little I was on the internet and decieded to browse through the SFSU > > website. And then, it all just hit me at one time, I wanted a future, a > > degree, and I wanted to meet new people, kearn new things, and travel to >new > > areas, it would be like an adventure. So I set up an appt. for >orientatiion > > and went to SFSU on 7/16/01. What killed me the most was the remediate > > classes I had to take because of my SAT scores, and because of that i > > couldn't go to Freshmen college level math or english yet, that sure >upset > > me but it was my doing. So anyway I'm goin to to try it out, and see how > > everything works out. Is there anybody else on this list who went to > > orientation yesterday? Well, if so, I was the girl in the big orange >jacket, > > black windbreakers with her hair down. Say hi if you have the chance. I > > would sure like to meet others goin there like me. I remember Julie was >goin > > there, Julie Ranoa I think, are u still going btw? Cool. Well anyway, >thanks > > for readin my thoughts and experiences about my educational life. Thanx > > > > Steph > > > > > > p.s. does anyone know why there are chalkboards and chalk in every stall >of > > the women's restroom? ANyway, I was soo bored I wrote me email address >on it > > to see if someone would happeb to email me. it was >islandchik17@hotmail.com, > > lame but I was boredd. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >================================================= >T R A N C E F U S I O N M U S I C >1809 Gouldin Road € Oakland € CA € 94611 >PH. (415) 215-1612 FAX (510) 339-3887 >http://www.trancefusion.com >================================================= > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68918-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 01:49:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92887 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 01:49:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92869 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 01:49:24 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:48:49 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bb.11231a55.28864501_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) BrainChild Records Tour "FREE" Tomorrow Night --part1_bb.11231a55.28864501_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, Since we want to thank everyone for all the support thru the years were making the party free with this invite: Please Print this E-mail out and you and a friend will get into the party for FREE... please arrive early: invite valid till: 11:00 pm BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Starting Wednesday, July 4th - Wednesday, August 22nd date: Wednesday, JULY 18 > Just wanted to invite every body to the CD Release Party of Armann the BrainChild's latest CD titled: Armann the BrainChild New York / San Francisco 0.02 Main Room: Trance / Hard NRG ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. Official CD Release Party First 100 Clubbers will get a free copy of Armann's Lastest Double CD: ARMANN the BRAINCHILD New York / San Francisco 0.02 DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her own record label Mad Wax. DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: Progressive House / Tech House RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) KARMA SUTRA Las Vegas (Oracle / Phulux) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / Trance / Club Favorites RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Reocrds / Orgy / KSJA 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. info: www.brainchildentertainment.com info: 1-800-561-1800 VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink --part1_bb.11231a55.28864501_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68919-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 02:00:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99814 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 02:00:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99804 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 02:00:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: Geri Dahl cc: In-Reply-To: <20010717230928.27803.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] little fuzzy white seals nrr On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Geri Dahl wrote: -&e->did you know that if you bite into a man's adam's apple is -&e->fatal? well, it is. a swift, firm hit would do the trick too, -&e->but sometimes they live. :) Julie, You prove yourself quite the sexist time and time again in your emails, but this one is particularly creepy. Like Hannibal Lecter creepy. If you can't post without being sexist or discussing methods of killing specific types of people followed by a happy face, I politely ask that you please don't post to SFR but rather one of several lists or newsgroups dedicated to the topic. Thank You, andyw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68920-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 03:04:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39851 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 03:04:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39841 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 03:04:06 -0000 Message-ID: <012e01c10f36$4d9a4110$1d085c42@conspiracy> From: "DJ Kir Kryyn \(Beau D. Simensen\)" To: , , Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:04:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012B_01C10EFB.A0E5CF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Halogen Radio Broadcadting now! ------=_NextPart_000_012B_01C10EFB.A0E5CF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We're having issues with bandwidth for some reason tonight. Please give = it some time... it might just start working for you. =3D) Hope everyone = is having a good night! o http://radio.halogen.org/ DJ Kir Kryyn Beau D. Simensen http://www.dj-kirkryyn.com/ AIM: Kir Kryyn ------=_NextPart_000_012B_01C10EFB.A0E5CF00-- From sfraves-return-68921-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 03:19:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57982 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 03:19:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57967 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 03:19:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718031911.17939.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: cloude To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: laraz@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Trey Anastasio / TOOL It's great to see that others on the list are not only into the dance scene, but trey/phish and tool also! how cool is that. how come more women can't be interested in such a wide range (and excellent quality) of music? LOL --- Lara wrote: > I hope you made it to the show - OMG! It was > excellent. We got there > around 3:30 and the surroundings of the Greek > Theatre really didn't start > getting packed until around 4:30... Doors opened at > 5:30, and the show > started @ 7:30, went all the way to around 11pm (not > sure, I don't have a > watch). What a JAM and what a VIBE. Those who didn't > make it, missed out. > I saw someone sellin grilled cheese's wonder if it > was you! :) > xo > Lara > > ---- > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become > one and yet remain > two." > -- Erich Fromm > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are > looking at the stars." > -- Oscar Wilde > > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Clifford Brown wrote: > > > I dont have tix but i think im gunna go kick it in > the parking lot cause. > > Last time i wet to a Phish show i actually never > made it into the show... > > THE PARKING LOT WAS JUST SOO MUCH DAMNED FUN. hung > out trading pipes and but > > and things of that sort... So mabey ill see you > there. I might be selling > > nummy grilled chees sandwitches after the show. > > > > Dancin for SMILES =) > > Cliff > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY > phone in the World! > > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Lara > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 9:36 AM > > Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Trey Anastasio tonite! > :)/TOOL TIX ON SALE WOOHOO > > > > > > > Hey everyone, > > > the hippie in me is going off to the Trey > Anastasio (Phish) show tonight, > > > I don't know if any of you out there are going > to be there, but thought > > > I'd mention it. Anyone else going to be there?? > Either way it'll be a > > > great show. > > > > > > Also... To those who know... Don't forget TOOL > tickets go on sale this > > > weekend... > > > f--- yeahhhh!!! I'm going to try to make it to > both shows, how could I > > > not? They were in Canada recently and I heard > good feedback about the > > > show. It'll be intense. Let me know if any of > you plan on going, it would > > > be cool to meet up out of the "party" element.. > > > Love, > > > Lara > > > > > > ---- > > > "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings > become one and yet remain > > > two." > > > -- Erich Fromm > > > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are > looking at the stars." > > > -- Oscar Wilde > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68922-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 03:20:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60699 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 03:20:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60688 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 03:20:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.148.102.112] From: "Mikey Mike" To: "Erik W Gilling" , "E A R T H _" Cc: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:22:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1619 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10EFE.23408EC0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 03:19:30.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[75A94FA0:01C10F38] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10EFE.23408EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right now on pssl.com they're selling em for $399. =20 http://www.pssl.com/s/02.tpl =20 Although cheap for new technics, like many people have been saying.. your= best bet is still probably getting a pair off ebay. mikey :) =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik W Gilling Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 4:32 PM To: E A R T H _ Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks= please =20 Fry's has them for under 500 (479 I think). That's the best local price = I've found. -Erik On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:53:45PM -0000, E A R T H _ wrote: > > suggestions much appreciated > sl1200s of course > thanks! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.orgGet more from = the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10EFE.23408EC0-- From sfraves-return-68923-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 03:52:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79287 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 03:52:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79260 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 03:52:23 -0000 Message-ID: <009c01c10f3c$bd0413e0$0a95d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: , Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:45:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0098_01C10F01.7ADD6C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Imagine day party????? ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C10F01.7ADD6C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does neone have ne information on that imagine day party on august 25=20 -----Original Message----- From: DJ Kir Kryyn (Beau D. Simensen) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org ; = frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org = ; ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com = Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: [Raven] BSP: Halogen Radio Tonight! =20 =20 A couple of new names on the list tonight! Somewhere between 7:00 = and 8:00PM, we'll be starting the show! Tune in to = http://radio.halogen.org/ for updates and links to the streams. (The = stream links won't be up until we're actually broadcasting...) =20 o Ohm o Kir Kryyn o Ecko o Terrab =20 Take care, and have a great day! =20 =20 DJ Kir Kryyn Beau D. Simensen http://www.dj-kirkryyn.com/ =20 AIM: Kir Kryyn =20 =20 This mailing list gets multipule e-mails a day. 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Terms of Service. = ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C10F01.7ADD6C40-- From sfraves-return-68924-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 07:13:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81045 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 07:13:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81035 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 07:13:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:17:33 -0700 From: Jacob - SFDance To: Sfraves Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Want to Volunteer? Want to help SFDance and meet some new people? Ready to get involved? http://www.sfdance.org/help.html -Jacob SFDance.org ------------------- Thanks for supporting the dance community! SFDance Weekly Dance Music/Rave Events Newsletter http://www.sfdance.org/subscribe/ Sign up to receive a weekly announcement list of San Francisco dance music/community events. Do you dance to the sound of your washing machine? http://www.sfdance.org/ ------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68925-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 07:19:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84054 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 07:19:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84043 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 07:19:28 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c10f5a$56c04900$01d2f7a5@pavilion> From: "URN" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:20:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C10F1F.85624FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: ELEVATE TOMORROW! ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C10F1F.85624FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ELEVATE....Wednesday July 18th djs =20 JOEY MAZZOLA - AM Crew/Solmatic Records DARRELL - AM Crew ALEX - the guru =20 Anthonys 53 Montgomery drive $4 21+ Full Bar 9pm-2am This should be an insane night of AM Crew action!! Featuring the Purple Hooter System as always. See you there! =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C10F1F.85624FA0-- From sfraves-return-68926-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 07:32:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89322 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 07:32:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89295 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 07:32:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718073220.27705.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ~*SUBMERGE*~ Friday(AUG.10.2001)(2 ROOMS/12 Performers) *BSP* Friday, August 10th, 2001 XTORT Presents...*SUBMERGE* It’s time to get deep, it’s time to Submerge into the greatest sounds ever. Featuring TWO rooms of non-stop energy, featuring: DYLOOT (SKILLS, SF) SIMON APEX (Subsonic Underground) MORGAN (LOTEK Records, SF) DRAGN’FLY (Teknique, Epiphany) AMBER (Epiphany, SF) KOMA (FUSED, SF ) RIGATONY (Sagitariun Productions) DJ PAT (Teknique, Fresno) DUSTY BROWN (XTORT) (LIVE Performance) SASCHA23 (XTORT) DJ WARREN (XTORT) SAPPHIRE (XTORT) + More TBA.... ALL AGES 16+ WELCOME... FREE posters/cds/stickers to the first 150 people courtesy of ASTRALWERKS, NETTWERK, and ADV Films along with METROPOLIS. AMAZING visuals from EYELUSIONS SOUND: TEKNIQUE. LIVE Air-Brush Performance by WWW.SONTI.COM Doors open: 8pm-4am TICKETS: $12 before 11pm, $14 after… XTORT:http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net XTORT'S DATABASE: 916.565.6677 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68927-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 07:44:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96479 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 07:44:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96469 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 07:44:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718074429.10195.qmail@awcst401.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 18 Jul 2001 00:44:29 PDT From: Rob To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.18.03B) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] im looking for someone, please help hi im trying to get a hold of a friend of mine his name is brian delancey= =2E if anyone on this list knows his email can you please send it to me or give = him mine, please. thanks take care ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68928-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 10:59:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79521 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 10:59:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79505 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 10:59:32 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: <54.1778acb1.2886c60e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:59:26 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Thank You from Electric Nerve!!!!! Hi everyone Gianni here, On behalf of the entire Electric Nerve crew I'd like to thank everyone who came out to Mardi Gras 2 and made it such a great event!!! It ROCKED!!!!!! Nuw Idol had a blast, and so did I. We had no problems and the music rocked till 5am!!! I'd personally like to thank everyone who helped setup and takedown. We couldn't have done such a great event without such a great group effort!!!! Once again THANKS!!!! and keep Rockin!!! Gianni :0) P.S. I'm thinking about releasing a "LIVE" Gianni vs Nuw Idol tape. Would anyone be interested??? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68929-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 13:58:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82181 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 13:58:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82114 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 13:58:50 -0000 From: JonnyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:58:18 EDT To: SFRaves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b7.10d75543.2886effa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Sennheiser review (same night as Happy Kids) --part1_b7.10d75543.2886effa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, nobody here has mentioned "Sennheiser," I don't think, which isn't too surprising because there weren't all that many people there. It was a good party, though! The location was unusual -- a church hall not far from Santa Rosa -- but it worked out pretty well! I went mainly to see my friend Jim, who (as "Dekota") was spinning at his first party. I also like Wain, who spins Jungle. The cost to get in was only $15, so there's an alternative to the $40 tickets to Legend, and it was an All Ages party. The music was quite good, and I met a lot of new people who were mainly from the Santa Rosa/Sebastapol/Cotati area. There was a good vibe except that there were too few people there. Not so few that I was feeling, "Shit! This party is dead!" but not enough to really get a lot of excitement going. My favorite DJs were going to be on last (from like 4:30 to 6 am) but the local authorities came and said the party was not permitted to go past 3. So, no chance to see/hear D-FNS, who I had met earlier. (To those who saw the flyer, yeah, "DJ D-FNS" does sound kind of like they meant DJ D but it's De-Fense) D-FNS was all bummed about not being able to spin so I gave him a ride home -- after he had a chance to eat 11 tacos from Jack in the Box! This party gave pretty good "bang for the buck." Didn't have to wait too late to find out the venue, music was good, went until 3 a.m., no map point, no long hikes, and security was only somewhat thug-gish. Peace --- everybody have a great week. Jonny R --part1_b7.10d75543.2886effa_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68930-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 14:49:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51917 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 14:49:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51796 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 14:49:56 -0000 Message-ID: <00a001c10f99$8ad4a850$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , , , Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:54:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009D_01C10F5E.DE0C6020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Police Raid Party For Drugs, Come up empty Handed, Detain 150 for 2 1/2 hours ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C10F5E.DE0C6020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, July 14th, a rave party was raided in Potosi, Missouri. = This event was to benefit St. Louis DanceSafe and Big Brothers and Big = Sisters of America.=20 At approximately 8:45, at least 20 or 30 police cars, two fire trucks, = two ambulances, a paddy wagon, a prison bus, five K-9 units, and a = helicopter converged on the party. Over one hundred and fifty = individuals were rounded up, and detained against their will for about = two and a half hours. Their vehicles, tents and person (pockets, shoes, = hair) were searched without consent. They were informed that if they = refused searches they would be arrested. Minors were questioned without = a legal guardian present. Two puppies were maced when curiosity brought = them too close to the drug dogs.=20 Those attending the event were peaceful throughout the entire process = (the officers mentioned the fire trucks were there just in case the = ravers started "firebombing the police"). DanceSafe director AJ Cook was = loudly reading the ACLU rights card, and many witnesses heard officers = yelling that they had to arrest him to keep him quiet. Cook and others = requested to see a copy of the warrant, and were refused.=20 This event occurred the night after another rave at the same venue. The = affidavits from the undercover officers present the first night cited = massive drug activity, including cocaine, methamphetamine, and syringes. = There were "kids using every kind of drug you can imagine," said = Washington County Sheriff Gary Yount. The warrant also mentioned "rumor" = that the $2 bottled water contained ecstasy. This blatantly embellished = data, along with a falsified claim that the property owner had = registered a complaint against the event, was the basis for a fraudulent = warrant to raid the event and confiscate the supposed drugs and drug = paraphernalia.=20 The results of this massive illegal search were three misdemeanor drug = charges, and a warrant served for a traffic offense. The sheriff = commented, "we didn't find too much," and "I swear there were drugs = there the night before".=20 Though we may take some solace in how foolish those responsible for this = travesty now appear, it does not compensate for the utter abrogation of = responsibility that law enforcement showed in their intent and execution = of this raid. They not only wasted many thousands of dollars of = taxpayers money, they ruthlessly trampled the rights of American = citizens who traveled to this charity event from around the country.=20 One attendee who drove from Wisconsin had his prized photo album = confiscated as evidence. It contained over 250 photos and was carried in = remembrance of all the friends he has made. Tents, cars and personal = property were trashed as the search became more frantic. "We have to = find something" witnesses repeatedly heard officers yelling.=20 The ACLU has taken an active interest in this debacle, as have police = abuse watchdog groups. At this time, statements, photos and video are = being collected from attendees. The local rave community, which numbers = in the thousands, has mobilized over this event. It has become clear = that it is time to stand up for our rights.=20 Legal action is looming.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C10F5E.DE0C6020-- From sfraves-return-68931-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 15:01:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69423 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 15:01:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69413 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 15:01:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Wed) We gave you an atomic bomb, what do you want, mermaids? -- I. I. Rabi to the Atomic Energy Commission --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68932-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 15:10:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79129 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 15:10:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79119 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 15:10:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [139.95.251.1] From: "E A R T H _" To: kidMikeyMike@msn.com, konkers@konkers.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:10:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 15:10:03.0349 (UTC) FILETIME=[B88A1850:01C10F9B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please why so cheap for the black ones ??? >From: "Mikey Mike" >To: "Erik W Gilling" , "E A R T H _" > >CC: >Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new > >Right now on pssl.com they're selling em for $399. >http://www.pssl.com/s/02.tpl > >Although cheap for new technics, like many people have been saying.. your >best bet is still probably getting a pair off ebay. > >mikey :) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Erik W Gilling >Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 4:32 PM >To: E A R T H _ >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks >please > >Fry's has them for under 500 (479 I think). That's the best local price >I've >found. > >-Erik > >On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:53:45PM -0000, E A R T H _ wrote: > > > > suggestions much appreciated > > sl1200s of course > > thanks! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.orgGet more from >the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68933-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 15:19:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89687 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 15:19:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89677 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 15:19:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:19:26 -0700 Message-Id: <200107181519.IAA29069@mail23.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.20.226.66] From: "Goa Graver" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Where is Area 51?? Deos anyone know where Area 51 is gonna be at yet?? Please let me know... :) "Come on and lay with me Come on and lie to me Tell me you love me Say I'm the only one" Depeche Mode, Lie to Me ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68934-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 15:20:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90682 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 15:20:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90611 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 15:19:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:19:52 -0700 Message-Id: <200107181519.IAA29096@mail23.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.20.226.66] From: "Goa Graver" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Where is Area 51?? Deos anyone know where Area 51 is gonna be at yet?? Please let me know... :) "Come on and lay with me Come on and lie to me Tell me you love me Say I'm the only one" Depeche Mode, Lie to Me ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68935-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 15:49:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36406 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 15:49:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36298 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 15:49:54 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "E A R T H _" , , Cc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:40:23 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please I dunno I just heard this but apparently the black ones (1210's?) are not made of the same stuff, so they are lighter, a bit more flimsy, and not as durable/solid. They also (in my opinionation) don't look as good. Anyways, I've only heard all this and can't really verify that it's true, but if it's a HUGE difference in price, then i dunno--maybe its's worth it =) .:nomadic:. .: dance like no one's watching .:. www.nomadicDJ.com :. -----Original Message----- From: E A R T H _ [mailto:earth909@hotmail.com] Sent: 18 July 2001 08:10 To: kidMikeyMike@msn.com; konkers@konkers.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please Importance: Low why so cheap for the black ones ??? >From: "Mikey Mike" >To: "Erik W Gilling" , "E A R T H _" > >CC: >Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new > >Right now on pssl.com they're selling em for $399. >http://www.pssl.com/s/02.tpl > >Although cheap for new technics, like many people have been saying.. your >best bet is still probably getting a pair off ebay. > >mikey :) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Erik W Gilling >Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 4:32 PM >To: E A R T H _ >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks >please > >Fry's has them for under 500 (479 I think). That's the best local price >I've >found. > >-Erik > >On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:53:45PM -0000, E A R T H _ wrote: > > > > suggestions much appreciated > > sl1200s of course > > thanks! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.orgGet more from >the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68936-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 15:54:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44701 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 15:54:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44691 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 15:54:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:57:41 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <001301c10fa2$66550110$0d07c43f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C10F67.B3DC6C60" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DOES ANYONE HAVE ROOM FOR AREA 51? ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C10F67.B3DC6C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, im down to meet some new freinds, nearer to my age, ive met alot = of people off this by riding with them and its been fun but if anyone = out there like in the ages of 16-20 (yes 16 and 17 for all you that have = your fake id's like me :D (just my preferation but hey its a ride so i = cant complain) is willing to help a fellow raver in need of a ride do to = his license suspension :( and would liek to meet a great new friend, hit = me back up and well talk more, im on the guestlist for area 51 and i = lost my ride and i thought id give a shout to everyone on here and maybe = yall can help meh :D I live in sunnyvale so anyone aroudn that area = would be nice and im friendly to anyones choices of doing, so feel free = around me :D PeaCe Justin ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C10F67.B3DC6C60-- From sfraves-return-68937-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 15:55:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47967 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 15:55:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47957 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 15:55:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:58:44 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <002401c10fa2$8e2b5e50$0d07c43f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C10F67.D9265260" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DOES ANYONE HAVE ROOM FOR AREA 51? ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C10F67.D9265260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, im down to meet some new freinds, nearer to my age, ive met alot = of people off this by riding with them and its been fun but if anyone = out there like in the ages of 16-20 (yes 16 and 17 for all you that have = your fake id's like me :D (just my preferation but hey its a ride so i = cant complain) is willing to help a fellow raver in need of a ride do to = his license suspension :( and would liek to meet a great new friend, hit = me back up and well talk more, im on the guestlist for area 51 and i = lost my ride and i thought id give a shout to everyone on here and maybe = yall can help meh :D I live in sunnyvale so anyone aroudn that area = would be nice and im friendly to anyones choices of doing, so feel free = around me :D PeaCe Justin ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C10F67.D9265260-- From sfraves-return-68938-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 16:01:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54604 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 16:01:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54582 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 16:01:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.49.111.21] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: frequency-8@squinky.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:01:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 16:01:09.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBFFFD70:01C10FA2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp STEREOPHONIK/KILLASUBZ THIS WEEK: Stereophonik; Leon Cook Owen ARA DJ D! KILLASUBZ; DAS HAK FLUX SIPHON Every Wednesday at Cactus Club. 417 S 1st St. San Jose, Ca $5, 18 and up True Underground _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68939-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 16:10:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63813 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 16:10:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63801 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 16:10:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718161034.55039.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: das To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, killasubz@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] killasubz...........BSP (with changes) hey everybody, some changes in the lineup this week - robbliss hak das hope to see you guys out there. ===== aim: dasthedj icq: 101064644 killasubz/urbanassault/lucid productions http://www.urbanassault.org http://www.killasubz.com http://djdas.djcentral.com http://www.junglist.com/profiles/das/ southbay ghetto bass : forward thinking culture __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68940-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 16:15:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70851 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 16:15:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70799 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 16:15:56 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Bryan Oley" , , , , Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:51:59 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <00a001c10f99$8ad4a850$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Police Raid Party For Drugs, Come up empty Handed, Detain 150 for 2 1/2 hours Hi there, Bryan, if you don't know, and also for anyone else's info, EMDEF (electronic music defense and education fund) is starting an incident report form next week. There, you can report any incident involving an electronic music event that is busted, raided, or intimidated by authorities. They will use it to document it, and (in many cases where the raid is illiegal) help. I urge you to report any incidents like that to them, as it will help us all in the long run =) Also, the EMDEF urges you to read the form BEFORE attending events so you know what to look for. You can visit their site at http://www.emdef.org. "The federal government's crackdown on electronic music poses a threat to our scene and our industry. We need your help to report their activities so we can move faster to insure justice." Thanx for your time everyone =) Peace! .:nomadic:. .: dance like no one's watching .:. www.nomadicDJ.com :. -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Oley [mailto:kandymanz@earthlink.net] Sent: 18 July 2001 07:54 To: sacraves@hyperreal.org; sfraves@hyperreal.org; frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org; projectplur@topica.com Subject: [sfraves] Police Raid Party For Drugs, Come up empty Handed, Detain 150 for 2 1/2 hours Importance: Low On Saturday, July 14th, a rave party was raided in Potosi, Missouri. This event was to benefit St. Louis DanceSafe and Big Brothers and Big Sisters of America. At approximately 8:45, at least 20 or 30 police cars, two fire trucks, two ambulances, a paddy wagon, a prison bus, five K-9 units, and a helicopter converged on the party. Over one hundred and fifty individuals were rounded up, and detained against their will for about two and a half hours. Their vehicles, tents and person (pockets, shoes, hair) were searched without consent. They were informed that if they refused searches they would be arrested. Minors were questioned without a legal guardian present. Two puppies were maced when curiosity brought them too close to the drug dogs. Those attending the event were peaceful throughout the entire process (the officers mentioned the fire trucks were there just in case the ravers started "firebombing the police"). DanceSafe director AJ Cook was loudly reading the ACLU rights card, and many witnesses heard officers yelling that they had to arrest him to keep him quiet. Cook and others requested to see a copy of the warrant, and were refused. This event occurred the night after another rave at the same venue. The affidavits from the undercover officers present the first night cited massive drug activity, including cocaine, methamphetamine, and syringes. There were "kids using every kind of drug you can imagine," said Washington County Sheriff Gary Yount. The warrant also mentioned "rumor" that the $2 bottled water contained ecstasy. This blatantly embellished data, along with a falsified claim that the property owner had registered a complaint against the event, was the basis for a fraudulent warrant to raid the event and confiscate the supposed drugs and drug paraphernalia. The results of this massive illegal search were three misdemeanor drug charges, and a warrant served for a traffic offense. The sheriff commented, "we didn't find too much," and "I swear there were drugs there the night before". Though we may take some solace in how foolish those responsible for this travesty now appear, it does not compensate for the utter abrogation of responsibility that law enforcement showed in their intent and execution of this raid. They not only wasted many thousands of dollars of taxpayers money, they ruthlessly trampled the rights of American citizens who traveled to this charity event from around the country. One attendee who drove from Wisconsin had his prized photo album confiscated as evidence. It contained over 250 photos and was carried in remembrance of all the friends he has made. Tents, cars and personal property were trashed as the search became more frantic. "We have to find something" witnesses repeatedly heard officers yelling. The ACLU has taken an active interest in this debacle, as have police abuse watchdog groups. At this time, statements, photos and video are being collected from attendees. The local rave community, which numbers in the thousands, has mobilized over this event. It has become clear that it is time to stand up for our rights. Legal action is looming. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68941-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 16:25:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83596 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 16:25:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83520 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 16:25:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:25:30 -0700 Message-Id: <200107181625.JAA27714@mail4.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [63.195.88.24] From: "Robert Warren" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 Location Pier 35 ------------------------------------------------------------ [- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68942-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 16:34:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94965 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 16:34:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94952 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 16:34:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:34:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 16:34:21.0141 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F37E850:01C10FA7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Police Raid Party For Drugs, Come up empty Handed, Detain 150 for 2 1/2 hours > >On Saturday, July 14th, a rave party was raided in Potosi, Missouri. This >event was to benefit St. Louis DanceSafe and Big Brothers and Big Sisters >of America. At approximately 8:45, at least 20 or 30 police cars, two fire >trucks, two ambulances, a paddy wagon, a prison bus, five K-9 units, and a >helicopter converged on the party. Over one hundred and fifty individuals >were rounded up, and detained against their will for about two and a half >hours. Their vehicles, tents and person (pockets, shoes, hair) were >searched without consent. They were informed that if they refused searches >they would be arrested. Minors were questioned without a legal guardian >present. Two puppies were maced when curiosity brought them too close to >the drug dogs. > >Those attending the event were peaceful throughout the entire process (the >officers mentioned the fire trucks were there just in case the ravers >started "firebombing the police"). DanceSafe director AJ Cook was loudly >reading the ACLU rights card, and many witnesses heard officers yelling >that they had to arrest him to keep him quiet. Cook and others requested to >see a copy of the warrant, and were refused. > >This event occurred the night after another rave at the same venue. The >affidavits from the undercover officers present the first night cited >massive drug activity, including cocaine, methamphetamine, and syringes. >There were "kids using every kind of drug you can imagine," said Washington >County Sheriff Gary Yount. The warrant also mentioned "rumor" that the $2 >bottled water contained ecstasy. This blatantly embellished data, along >with a falsified claim that the property owner had registered a complaint >against the event, was the basis for a fraudulent warrant to raid the event >and confiscate the supposed drugs and drug paraphernalia. > >The results of this massive illegal search were three misdemeanor drug >charges, and a warrant served for a traffic offense. The sheriff commented, >"we didn't find too much," and "I swear there were drugs there the night >before". > >Though we may take some solace in how foolish those responsible for this >travesty now appear, it does not compensate for the utter abrogation of >responsibility that law enforcement showed in their intent and execution of >this raid. They not only wasted many thousands of dollars of taxpayers >money, they ruthlessly trampled the rights of American citizens who >traveled to this charity event from around the country. > >One attendee who drove from Wisconsin had his prized photo album >confiscated as evidence. It contained over 250 photos and was carried in >remembrance of all the friends he has made. Tents, cars and personal >property were trashed as the search became more frantic. "We have to find >something" witnesses repeatedly heard officers yelling. > >The ACLU has taken an active interest in this debacle, as have police abuse >watchdog groups. At this time, statements, photos and video are being >collected from attendees. The local rave community, which numbers in the >thousands, has mobilized over this event. It has become clear that it is >time to stand up for our rights. > >Legal action is looming. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68943-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 16:38:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99668 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 16:38:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99657 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 16:38:16 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010718093837.00b895b8@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:38:58 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <20010717162435.A3164@konkers.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please Guitar Center matches prices sarilion At 04:24 PM 7/17/2001 -0700, Erik W Gilling wrote: >Fry's has them for under 500 (479 I think). That's the best local price I've >found. > >-Erik > >On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:53:45PM -0000, E A R T H _ wrote: > > > > suggestions much appreciated > > sl1200s of course > > thanks! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68944-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 16:39:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3039 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 16:39:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3029 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 16:39:45 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010718094014.00b9ab78@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:40:28 -0700 To: punkass@viberation.com ,sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <20010718000125.5132.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] how to dream techno can you do it in flash? hehe sarilion At 05:01 PM 7/17/2001 -0700, punkass@viberation.com wrote: >last night I had a dream which involved techno -- the techno in the dream >was completely original, never heard it before, live and direct from the >subconscious, etc. > >I've had this experience only about three times total in my life. however, >I spent most of 1997 and 1998 studying hypnosis and it is at least >theoretically possible to make a hypnosis tape which would allow you to >experience this any night and every night. > >what I'm wondering is, if you could buy such a tape, would you? assume >that it worked incredibly well and was produced very professionally. > >also, if anybody can think of a way to do this well without charging >people, let me know. > > >giles > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68945-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 16:59:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35909 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 16:59:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35891 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 16:59:51 -0000 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ1i2COOuSWmUhJT9toLcmpqf1UCgIVAKZ0AiFnAWDlEZOIwyzHaclMhB8+ From: BluE_FragglEz@webtv.net (sodomize dragonflies) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:59:47 -0700 (PDT) To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <569-3B55C083-166@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] what time does area 51 begin? cant wait...! S.U.N. project...stareyes frankie bones heather hart and so many more i cant wait..ive been to alot of parties in 6 yrs and iam so syked for this party ..see everyone there.. ReVenGE Is LikE =9E=83RuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto in fondo nelle gabbie....." "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." il bella' esodo .....il sorgere del sole eterno... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68946-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 17:09:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53171 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 17:09:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53161 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 17:09:30 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: <79.17b5cb20.28871cbe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:09:18 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RANT 'N RAVE August 18 Saturday August 18, 2001 RANT 'N RAVE featuring: Prophecy Collective (Mythic/ Essence Records, Florida , On stage/ LIVE PA) DJ D (dj-d.com, SF) Gianni (Spundae/ djgianni.com, SR) Thomas Trouble (SF, Blutonium Records) Simon Apex (Subsonic, Sac.) St. John (HouseNation/ 94.9, SF) JOEY MAZZOLA (AM Crew/RadioActive/Soulmatic, SF) Jessie Gonzales (Krate Records, Salinas) DJ AJAXX (UltraSoundz, San Bruno) Downtempo Chillout Zone Boomerang Triad Damien Ambient Mafia EVENT: RANT 'N RAVE DATE: 8-18-01 SOUND: JK SOUND LIGHTING/ LASERS: STIM-U-LIGHTS LOCATION: 100% FULLY PERMITTED clean & new Bay Area venue TBA on voicemail 24-HOUR EVENT COMMUNICATION: 1-800-899-3737 ADMISSION: ONLY $15 presale Crystal Clear Audio Experience provided by JK Sound Awesome Inteligent Lighting and Laser show by Stimulights FULLY PERMITTED AND 100% SECURE, minutes from SF Friendly and pleasent security Real restrooms Open aired area for smoking Vending village LAVIOUS INTELLIGENT LIGHTING, AND AN ORGANIC NUTRICIOUS VIBE!!! RANT 'N RAVE will sell out presale so buy a presale for yourself and a friend to save time and $ and assure your attendance!! Don't wait to grab a ticket from the authorized outlets below: Welcome to all fun loving and responsible people!!!! (ALL AGES) ON LINE TICKETS: WWW.GROOVETICKETS.COM San Francisco F-8 Records, 1816 Haight St., (415)-221-4142 Housewares, 1322 Haight St., (415)-252-1440 South Bay Ultra Soundz, 482 San Mateo, San Bruno, (650)-871-4170 Remix, 508 E. 3rd Ave., San Mateo, (650)-344-8060 Solid Grooves, 2271 The Alameda, San Jose, (408)-248-6399 Rock Zone, 1280 1st St. # B, Gilroy, (408)-848-5055 Krate, 1274 N. Main St., Salinas, (831)-443-6580 East Bay/ Sac./ Outer Bay Skills DJ Workshop, 2575Telegraph St., Berkley, (510)-704-9876 Generation Rock, 1820 Mt. 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If you like to help promote, contribute art or get involved/ Industry (707) 288-4854 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68947-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 17:23:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77808 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 17:23:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77789 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 17:23:06 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:24:30 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves CC: sacraves , fresnoraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3078296670_71974" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] F U T U R E Schedule for July/August (bsp) --B_3078296670_71974 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Here's what we have going on at Future for the next few weeks....... THIS FRIDAY!! Friday, July 20th Bedrock & Renaissance UK Recording Artist S P E S H G I L + M O D A ----------------------- Friday, July 27th G I R L P O W E R ! featuring.... K E N D R A F R E N C H D E N I S E aka D J D M E L A N I E D J E L Z ----------------- Friday, August 3rd G I A N N I M O R G A N ----------------- Friday, August 10th T H O M A S T R O U B L E U P H O N I C Coming Soon........ D O R A N (Crush Recordings, Los Angeles) P H I L S M A R T (Reachin=B9 Records, Australia) oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I N T H E F U L L - B A R L O U N G E . . . . ::::::::: T H E I N D U S T R Y L O U N G E :::::::::: featuring... J O E L A N Z O N J A V I E R + special guest.... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D F U T U R E 375 First Street & Harrison in SF 18 & Over with valid ID Full-Bar Lounge for 21 and up! 9 pm - 2 am $10 before 10 pm $15 after 10 pm For more info, please call 415.281.0866 or http://www.globalparty.com --B_3078296670_71974-- From sfraves-return-68948-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 18:04:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62967 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 18:04:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62946 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 18:04:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718180356.46580.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:03:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1048007490-995479436=:45115" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] suggestion on finding an old mixtape? --0-1048007490-995479436=:45115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am looking for Melanie (sfhousecollective) "Blooming Beats" tape from a couple years ago, one of my absolute favorite mix tapes, but I don't know how to get my hands on another copy? any suggestions? Jess We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1048007490-995479436=:45115-- From sfraves-return-68949-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 18:11:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71343 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 18:11:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71332 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 18:11:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:11:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 18:11:10.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[059C6F80:01C10FB5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ortofon needles...heads up djs thought i'd pass this along.....i was surfin around ebay and found a guy selling ortofon needles for a great price.....his ebay id is daviddittmer....good stuff =) little matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68950-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 18:37:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29305 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 18:37:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29295 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 18:37:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.218.177] Reply-To: cruzer@cats.ucsc.edu From: "* Ranger *" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:36:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 18:36:56.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F5FCF60:01C10FB8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Lurkers in the Mix Wassup SFR! Just a word on recent Ranger haps if your curious about some totaly strangers life..lol! You may have noticed I have not been my usual posting self.. I think I am actually taking a que from all the lurkers in the crowd.. but ya know. Checkit! GOODNEWS: I finally graduated from UCSC. M.S. in Applied Microecenomics.. shit..now I have to find a job **REALLYGOODNEWS** I am going to Cancun with ma sweety for 12 days July 24-Aug 6th.. Her parents even sold me their milage so we could sit together and join the mile high club :).. they are even paying for our hotel so not only is this like my first trip anywhere, but its almost free, and its to Cancun.. BONUS! I miss partying with everyone and am looking forward to getting my car fixed when I get back, not looking forward to getting a job, but excited about having money and starting my new career in economics. Rangers SFR Todo and Party list 1. SF House Music Dance Sessions 2. SFR slumber party 3. Next SFR Planners Party 4. The next dope as UG someone will write me about :) Peace peoples.. see ya in a few weeks! Ranger _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68951-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 18:38:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30768 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 18:38:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30758 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 18:38:04 -0000 Date: 18 Jul 2001 11:37:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20010718183735.24456.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Jul 2001 18:37:35 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: raver@sarilion.org From: punkass@viberation.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: punkass@viberation.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] how to dream techno On Wed, 18 July 2001, Raver wrote: [make hypnosis tape] > can you do it in flash? > > hehe no, but it could be done as an MP3. the problem would be doing it well without spending money on digital recording gear. giles --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68952-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 18:53:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58114 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 18:53:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58070 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 18:53:01 -0000 Message-ID: <006701c11085$2f8ab9c0$fbd0fea9@foothill.net> From: "`black-locust'" To: "Mail List (us-junglist)" , "Mail List (dnb arena)" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:01:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C1104A.81777B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (( UFO! )) - last night at coversion.. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C1104A.81777B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just wanted to say thanks to everyone=20 who came out for coversion last night! your support makes the shit go! every single person in that room and on the dancefloor. reason, who played for free to accomodate our guest. (of course he would.. it's his shit too, but i still gotta say it!) locust crew (photo's and md included), jamision and adagio for the sf = taxi.. and the sound guys (tim and mike) who provided the exxtra thump. thank you - thank you - thank you and most thanks to ufo! who absolutely phunck'ed the place all up! anytime ed. thanks! with that off my chest, IVRY (sf) .COM (la) next week! until then..=20 keep on the airwaves, go to eklektic,=20 phuturo, imagine music and all that shit! \\ mattie : contact `black-locust' - drums n' bass \ contact@black-locust.com \ www.black-locust.com AIM: blocustmattie ICQ: 84768358 ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C1104A.81777B00-- From sfraves-return-68953-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 19:09:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85273 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 19:09:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85256 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 19:09:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.218.177] Reply-To: cruzer@cats.ucsc.edu From: "* Ranger *" To: apollo@speakeasy.org, lyds@home.com, freeuptheherb@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:09:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 19:09:03.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BFB1580:01C10FBD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Garth @ OCF >That's Garth's (Wicked) Greyhound bus. He will be spinning that reggae >house again this year. That bus isn't like all silver and schoolbus like is it?? I saw one at Oregon Country Fair like two years ago that had a very familiar sound. When I heard that music bumpin in the camping space across the street from OCF, with all those people in black and silver dancin all tribal, then the glowsticks all broke and everyone covered themselves in the oozy green stuff and became this giant conglomeration of glowing, moving energy, washed in the light of a blistfuly magical vibe, the music was hard bumpin house, and the ground was like a mirror of the sky with so many specks of light.. man those fungi were good..lol.. and I could of swore it was Garth reachin thick in the mix as my soul became locked into a hard, fast, and triumphant night of dance and celebration.. I was all like.. this is not the OCF I had come to know.. but was hella glad it was there.. but it was before I knew who he was.. shame on me.. but damn that dj was fly! Man I love it when the music happens eh.. So does Garth go to lots of these events? Ranger _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68954-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 19:23:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14221 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 19:23:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14208 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 19:23:40 -0000 Message-ID: <01da01c10fbe$8a97eda0$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "Mikey Mike" , "Erik W Gilling" , "E A R T H _" Cc: References: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:19:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please Right now on pssl.com they're selling em for $399. http://www.pssl.com/s/02.tpl I think you're talking about like the 1210's or whatever. . . the 1200 mk 2's and 3's are a bit more. . . : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68955-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 19:25:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19930 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 19:25:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19920 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 19:25:38 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: , , , Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:37:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Garth @ OCF > -----Original Message----- > From: * Ranger * [mailto:plurranger@hotmail.com] > That bus isn't like all silver and schoolbus like is it?? I saw one at > Oregon Country Fair like two years ago that had a very familiar > sound. When > I heard that music bumpin in the camping space across the street > from OCF, > with all those people in black and silver dancin all tribal, then the > glowsticks all broke and everyone covered themselves in the oozy > green stuff > and became this giant conglomeration of glowing, moving energy, washed in > the light of a blistfuly magical vibe, the music was hard bumpin > house, and > the ground was like a mirror of the sky with so many specks of > light.. man > those fungi were good..lol.. and I could of swore it was Garth > reachin thick > in the mix as my soul became locked into a hard, fast, and > triumphant night > of dance and celebration.. I was all like.. this is not the OCF I > had come > to know.. but was hella glad it was there.. but it was before I > knew who he > was.. shame on me.. but damn that dj was fly! Man I love it when > the music > happens eh.. So does Garth go to lots of these events? Garth restored a 1947 silver Greyhound bus that the Wicked crew toured in originally. He still drives it about to events like Reggae on the River and gives free performances, sort of like the old days in the UK with Tonka Sound System and the like. The bus usually has a destination sign on the front that reads either "Heaven" or "Wicked." Love, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68956-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 19:27:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25059 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 19:27:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25016 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 19:27:43 -0000 Message-ID: <3B55E40E.EAC145F7@atc.creative.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:31:26 -0700 From: Martin Randall Organization: Creative ATC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ".aryck." CC: Mikey Mike , Erik W Gilling , E A R T H _ , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <01da01c10fbe$8a97eda0$1ee5fea9@simmee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please Can someone explain the difference between a mk2 and a mk3? Also, I'd be interested in recommendations for mixers (I know this was discussed not too long ago, but can someone summarize?). Thanks!! - Martin ".aryck." wrote: > Right now on pssl.com they're selling em for $399. > http://www.pssl.com/s/02.tpl > > I think you're talking about like the 1210's or whatever. . . the 1200 > mk 2's and 3's are a bit more. . . > > : ) > > aryck > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68957-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 19:33:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33019 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 19:33:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33007 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 19:33:22 -0000 Message-ID: <024901c10fbf$ecb8f8c0$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "trance fiend" , References: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:29:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ortofon needles...heads up djs > thought i'd pass this along.....i was surfin around ebay and found a guy > selling ortofon needles for a great price.....his ebay id is > daviddittmer....good stuff =) > What's a good price ? Which needles ? I can hook sfr peeps up with a special SFR discount on ortofon products (temperarily). . . whichever carts you need ortofon dj, elyptical and spherical ortofon pro, and pro s (both types) ortofon gold ortofon nightclub and all the om carts too that go on the standard headshells. . . spare needles too, and the lil rubber arms that come with the new DJ carts. : ) hehe aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68958-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 19:44:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48453 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 19:44:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48374 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 19:44:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:42:18 -0700 From: GROUNDSCORE X-Sender: dMarie@mail.groundscore.net To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Groundscore off to Great America Fri. Aug. 3rd We (Groundscore and extended Crew) are planning a trip to Great America on Friday the 3rd of August. The park is open from 10am - 10pm. I have a crew of heads all ready to go, just wondering if anyone on this list would like to join us for some POSITIVE fun in the sun. Expect some white knuckling it on the coasters as well (dM & Star Eyes). We are hoping for the group rate of $29.00 (adult ticket price). Regular ticket price is $42.99. If you are seriously interested, please reply to me. Subject: Great America Here's Paramounts Great America site. http://www.pgathrills.com/ respect, dM -- dMarie http://www.groundscore.net/dMarie G R O U N D S C O R E http://www.groundscore.net SITE CHANGING EVERY DAY! G R O U N D S C O R E W E E K L Y N E T R A D I O http://www.groundscore.net/underscore/ Check the Drum & Bass & Breaks Archives! G R O U N D S C O R E M E S S A G E B O A R D http://www.groundscore.net/ -------------------------------------------------- E K L E K T I C // H E K T I C http://www.eklektic.net R E C E N T R E V I E W S / L I N K S T O P I C T U R E S http://www.fonem.org/photo/rm4 http://sfdance.org/images/rudemetal4.jpg http://www.junglist.com/final_files/corr/reviews/mar01/eklektic.htm http://www.sflnc.com/Pages/eklec20010319.html -------------------------------------------------- THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68959-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 20:12:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 563 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 20:12:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 551 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 20:12:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: , "f8" Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:12:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C10F8B.4E669120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 20:11:52.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[E279C690:01C10FC5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] B a y A r e a R a v e r s . c o m ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C10F8B.4E669120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Kids, The site is going to be down for a while... We are moving our site to a = blazing fast hosting service, this should solve any bandwidth problems = we were having before! I will email again to let you all know when the = site is available... Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C10F8B.4E669120-- From sfraves-return-68960-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 20:30:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31891 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 20:30:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31850 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 20:30:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718203016.24823.qmail@web5104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Seraphim - Sister SF To: junglist@us-jungle.com In-Reply-To: <006701c11085$2f8ab9c0$fbd0fea9@foothill.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Dom Some & Seraphim on Sub-Bass Sessions now! 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68961-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 20:32:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35976 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 20:32:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35966 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 20:32:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718203230.46697.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr so anyway, when someone grabs you from behind, you could always smash your head into his face, and then grab his testicles, squeeze as hard as you can then run like hell! :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68962-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 20:47:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62035 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 20:46:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62025 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 20:46:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718204655.392.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010718203230.46697.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr your advice is a tad sexist, what if it is a woman that comes up behind you? --- Geri Dahl wrote: > so anyway, when someone grabs you from behind, you > could always smash your head into his face, and then > grab > his testicles, squeeze as hard as you can then run > like hell! :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68963-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 21:06:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91280 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 21:06:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91268 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 21:06:42 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "Geri Dahl" , References: <20010718203230.46697.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:14:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 21:06:13.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A103780:01C10FCD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr what do you do if your grabed from behind by a woman? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geri Dahl" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr > so anyway, when someone grabs you from behind, you > could always smash your head into his face, and then > grab > his testicles, squeeze as hard as you can then run > like hell! :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68964-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 21:16:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1116 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 21:16:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1106 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 21:16:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.221] From: "innocentchild" To: "LAGISTRATE" , "Geri Dahl" , References: <20010718203230.46697.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:14:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 21:16:09.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD84C4B0:01C10FCE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr You scream *harder baby! harder!* You make up lines for Pinky *Funny grabby grabby woman person! NARF* You try and feel her tits pressed against your back You say with your last breath *I always knew women would cause my demise* You get really horny and go home to jerk off to this dominatrix when it's all over. ryan evil.is.live ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "Geri Dahl" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr > what do you do if your grabed from behind by a woman? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geri Dahl" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:32 PM > Subject: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr > > > > so anyway, when someone grabs you from behind, you > > could always smash your head into his face, and then > > grab > > his testicles, squeeze as hard as you can then run > > like hell! :) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68965-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 21:33:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26412 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 21:33:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26368 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 21:33:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:32:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 21:32:56.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[35967980:01C10FD1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: My spElllInG? Who gives a damn!! >From: DJ Pat >Reply-To: djpat@yahoo.com >To: Tommy C , noah008@ureach.com, >Randall_Plank@dstinnovis.com, sacraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: My spElllInG? >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:26:16 -0700 (PDT) > >Where did you go to college? The Rocco Columbo School Of >Typewriter Maintenance? > >Your "college" failed to teach you that "8th Grade" is a >specific, singular, countable noun and therefore requires >the definite article "the". > >Your sentence should have read, "Whereas it appears as if >you flunked out of [THE] 8th grade." > >I would ask for a refund if I were you, but like Shock G >said, "Dowhatchalike..." > >spellin' how I like, >p a t > > >--- Tommy C wrote: > > Ok, Captain "Name Myself After One Of The Dumbest Michael > > Jackson Stunts > > Ever". Do you want me to use proper sentence structure? > > Because I can do > > that, as well as spell all my words correctly. I happen > > to have a college > > education. Whereas it appears as if you flunked out of > > 8th grade. There's > > one difference between misspelling a ton of words, and > > using a loosely > > structured sentence. The majority of the people on the > > list can still > > understand me if I happen to use a bunch of periods, etc. > > Whereas when you > > spell words wrong, it just makes you look like a complete > > IDIOT. Enough > > said. > > > > tommy *correcting idiots since the dawn of time* c > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Captain EO" > > To: ; > > ; "Tommy C" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:54 PM > > Subject: My spElllInG? > > > > > > > i shoudl go back to school becuase i can not spell > > week. > > > This makes me an idiot? all right, well you didn't > > even have > > > proper sentance structure. who is the idiot now? > > Look, i > > > don't knwo why you people are tearing me apart for one > > > word i mispelled, and i am sure i am NOT the first > > person > > > to mispell a word. lighten up people, or your gonna > > get a > > > hernia..... > > > > > > peace > > > > > > > > > > apparently you should go back to school if you can't > > spell > > > something as > > > > easy > > > > as WEEK. or ASS. damn, what an idiot! > > > > > > > > t > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Captain EO" > > > > To: ; "Plank, Randall " > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:41 PM > > > > Subject: Re: RE: wonderland not this weakend > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh thanks a lot HITLER, jesus what is this nazi > > > > > germany?!?! you understood what i was saying, pull > > > that > > > > > oak tree out of yer azzz muthafuker!!!!!!! > > > > > i didn't realize i was back in school......... > > > > > > > > > > ---- On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Plank, Randall > > > > > (Randall_Plank@dstinnovis.com) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hey, Captain IDIOT....learn how to fuckin spell, > > ok??? > > > its > > > > > wEEkend.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Randall Plank > > > > > > > > > > > > DST Innovis > > > > > > DDP Financials > > > > > > Desk: 916-934-7302 > > > > > > Email: Randall_Plank@dstinnovis.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Captain EO [mailto:noah008@ureach.com] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:32 PM > > > > > > To: sacraves@hyperreal.org > > > > > > Subject: wonderland not this weakend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its not this weakend... apearently its on the > > 27th i > > > think, > > > > > well > > > > > > according to hyperreal. anything else going on > > this > > > > > > weakend? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > > __ > > > > > > Get your own "800" number > > > > > > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > > > > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice: This e-mail and any attachments are > > > intended > > > > > only for the > > > > > > individual or company to which it is addressed > > and > > > may > > > > > contain > > > > > > information > > > > > > which is privileged, confidential and prohibited > > from > > > > > disclosure or > > > > > > unauthorized use under applicable law. 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Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68966-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 21:33:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28500 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 21:33:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28489 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 21:33:55 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:27:51 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ))))))((((((boomerang is back))))))(((((( report: boomerang fidget successfully retrieved from splashdown at SFO today, 12 noon pm o'clock. welcome back boomerang! see you all at ascension tomorrow night! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68967-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 21:39:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37901 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 21:39:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37878 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 21:39:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.177.152.6] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:40:50 -0700 From: // genome // To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 21:39:27.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E621DE0:01C10FD2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ATTN DJS: EQUIPMENT FOR SALE - coffin/mixer/needles Yo cats. Ive got some equipment I want to sell! These things have never left my room, I always kept my shit in the bedroom so its all in really goo= d condition, promise! Please email me at djg@airlink.com if youre interested. 1 coffin for 16=B2 mixers - $100 (bought for $230). This is the standard sized coffin for 4 channel mixers. Its carpeted and tough as nails. 2 Stanton TrackMasters - $50(for the pair) (bought for $80 each) Great little needles for the beginning dj or a great price for a spare set. 1 Gemini 4 channel mixer - $175 (bought for $400). This is a really good mixer with a built in sampler, great EQ and gain, efect loop sends and receives, all around good for a newer dj. Heres a picture: http://www.promusic.net/images/GeminiPS924.gif Heres the technical specs: 4 channel 2 phono, 6 line, two mic and 1 aux mono input DJ mic Neutrik comb= o XLR or 1/4" jack Rotary bass, mid, high & gain controls for each channel Assignable & removable crossfader Beat sync indicators Assignable send/ receive effects loop Adjustable talkover Master & balance output controls D= J booth level control Peak hold LED meters Cue section XLR gooseneck lamp jac= k 24 second digital sampler with pitch control 5 memory banks (two 2-second, two-4 second, and one-12 second) Special Robo INPUTS: DJ Mic-(1.5mV 3k ohm balanced/unbalanced), Aux Mic-(1.5mV 10k ohm unbalanced only), Aux Line-(150mV 27k ohm), DJ Loop-(150mV 10k ohm), Phono-(3mV 47k ohm), Line-(150mV 27k ohm), Receive-(75mV 27k ohm) OUTPUTS: Amp/Booth-(0 dB 775 m= V 400 ohm), Max-(24V Peak to Peak), Rec-(225mV 5k ohm), DJ Loop-(150mV 220k ohm), Send-(150mV 300k ohm) GENERAL: Freq. Res.-(20 Hz-20 kHz +/-2 dB), THD-(0.02%), S/N-(better than 80 dB) 19"w x 4"h x 9.5"d (483 x 102 x 241 mm= ) 11 lbs (5 kg) Cheers Genome // Dean --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68968-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 21:46:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44992 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 21:45:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44898 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 21:45:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:45:03 -0700 From: josh wilson X-Sender: josh-w@postoffice.pacbell.net To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] em:def in SF? are there any contacts for the electronic music defense fund here in SF? we'd like to try and do an interview with 'em for community radio. peace -- -+---------------------------------+- "Step consciously into the reality that this is a mass dream. See and feel with 100% intention of what we want." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68969-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 21:57:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54817 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 21:57:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54807 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 21:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718215655.42593.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jungle Bunny To: sodomize dragonflies , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <569-3B55C083-166@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] what time does area 51 begin? I need to know too!!!! -Kari --- sodomize dragonflies wrote: > cant wait...! S.U.N. project...stareyes frankie > bones heather hart and > so many more i cant wait..ive been to alot of > parties in 6 yrs and iam > so syked for this party ..see everyone there.. > > ReVenGE Is LikE žƒRuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... > > > "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto > in fondo nelle > gabbie....." > "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." > il bella' esodo .....il > sorgere del sole > eterno... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - That's my Bush __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68970-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 22:05:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63291 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 22:05:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63281 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 22:05:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718220507.31741.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Teks To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TECHNICS?! RE: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please I've heard rumors about Technics patents being up, past due. Leaving other makers/competitors up for grabs on Technic designs. Does anyone know anything about this or is this just another rumor? teks --- nomadicDJ wrote: > I dunno I just heard this but apparently the black > ones (1210's?) are not > made of the same stuff, so they are lighter, a bit > more flimsy, and not as > durable/solid. They also (in my opinionation) don't > look as good. Anyways, > I've only heard all this and can't really verify > that it's true, but if it's > a HUGE difference in price, then i dunno--maybe > its's worth it =) > > .:nomadic:. > > .: dance like no one's watching .:. > www.nomadicDJ.com :. > > -----Original Message----- > From: E A R T H _ [mailto:earth909@hotmail.com] > Sent: 18 July 2001 08:10 > To: kidMikeyMike@msn.com; konkers@konkers.net > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - > online/local 4 new > decks please > Importance: Low > > > why so cheap for the black ones ??? > > > >From: "Mikey Mike" > >To: "Erik W Gilling" , "E A R > T H _" > > > >CC: > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - > online/local 4 new > > >Right now on pssl.com they're selling em for $399. > >http://www.pssl.com/s/02.tpl > > > >Although cheap for new technics, like many people > have been saying.. your > >best bet is still probably getting a pair off ebay. > > > >mikey :) > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Erik W Gilling > >Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 4:32 PM > >To: E A R T H _ > >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - > online/local 4 new decks > >please > > > >Fry's has them for under 500 (479 I think). That's > the best local price > >I've > >found. > > > >-Erik > > > >On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:53:45PM -0000, E A R T H > _ wrote: > > > > > > suggestions much appreciated > > > sl1200s of course > > > thanks! > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.orgGet more from > >the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68971-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 22:12:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71493 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 22:12:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71483 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 22:12:22 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010718151227.03222468@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:13:00 -0700 To: Geri Dahl ,sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <20010718203230.46697.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr not if I'm two feet taller than you, and pulling you straight down into the ground.. sarilion At 01:32 PM 7/18/2001 -0700, Geri Dahl wrote: >so anyway, when someone grabs you from behind, you >could always smash your head into his face, and then >grab >his testicles, squeeze as hard as you can then run >like hell! :) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68972-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 22:55:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7174 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 22:55:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7164 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 22:55:25 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B561438.9F4CA91B@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:56:57 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jungle Bunny CC: sodomize dragonflies , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010718215655.42593.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] what time does area 51 begin? according to this page it gotes from 6pm to 6am: www.acteva.com/go/Area51 I didn't know raves in SF could go past 2 now, but yet another reason why this party should rock! Nima Jungle Bunny wrote: > I need to know too!!!! > -Kari > > --- sodomize dragonflies > wrote: > > cant wait...! S.U.N. project...stareyes frankie > > bones heather hart and > > so many more i cant wait..ive been to alot of > > parties in 6 yrs and iam > > so syked for this party ..see everyone there.. > > > > ReVenGE Is LikE ?fRuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... > > > > > > "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto > > in fondo nelle > > gabbie....." > > "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." > > il bella' esodo .....il > > sorgere del sole > > eterno... > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > ===== > "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - That's my Bush > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68973-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 22:55:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8536 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 22:55:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8526 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 22:55:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.133.53.238] From: "DJ D" To: djd-announce@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:55:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 22:55:16.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6064310:01C10FDC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Stereophonic tonight! bsp Hey all, Tonight I'll be spinning @ Stereophonic starting at 11:30. Location is the Cactus Club, 417 1st. See ya! denise dj d http://www.dj-d.com :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68974-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:12:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23550 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:12:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23540 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:12:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.86.38.45] From: "... ! ..." To: aK@GrooveFactoryPro.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:11:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 23:11:41.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[0126D3D0:01C10FDF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Tom & Jerry > but tom n jerry are "homosexuals". . . they went after females, but >they >never really got any did they ? > Tom and Jerry what?? CHIP AND DALE.. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68975-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:24:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36271 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:24:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36257 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:24:03 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.16] Message-Id: <20010718232359.B4E0636FA@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon So Brandon (@ Invibe) & I were like talkin' today on chat & he brought up this question: "Who would you take to a Rave?" This question came about when we talked about how he dated Michelle Yeoh back in the day & how I dated Allysa Mallano briefly in 95 & how I took her to an underground that year! So yeah, Who would you take to a Rave? Famous or not! Underground or Commercial! Wow, this kinda reminds me of creative writing class! LoL == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68976-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:24:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39227 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:24:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39217 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:24:55 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.86.38.45] From: "... ! ..." To: raver@sarilion.org, eeelips@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:24:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 23:24:25.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8903730:01C10FE0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr or two feet shorter and sticking a cattle prod up your ass.. >From: Raver >To: Geri Dahl ,sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:13:00 -0700 > >not if I'm two feet taller than you, and pulling you straight down into the >ground.. > >sarilion > >At 01:32 PM 7/18/2001 -0700, Geri Dahl wrote: >>so anyway, when someone grabs you from behind, you >>could always smash your head into his face, and then >>grab >>his testicles, squeeze as hard as you can then run >>like hell! :) >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >>http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68977-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43524 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:28:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43514 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:28:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.86.38.45] From: "... ! ..." To: osby@ratkoonrat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:27:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 23:27:41.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D8CA410:01C10FE1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon Shamu. But only if it wasn't a massive. >From: Osby >Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net >To: The_List >Subject: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT) > > So Brandon (@ Invibe) & I were like talkin' today on chat & he >brought up this question: "Who would you take to a Rave?" This question >came about when we talked about how he dated Michelle Yeoh back in the day >& how I dated Allysa Mallano briefly in 95 & how I took her to an >underground that year! > > So yeah, Who would you take to a Rave? Famous or not! Underground >or Commercial! Wow, this kinda reminds me of creative writing class! LoL > >== >Later {8O) >Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY > >_____________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68978-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:32:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46389 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:32:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46377 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:32:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:32:00 -0700 Message-Id: <200107182332.QAA05453@mail14.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [63.201.57.44] From: "*madhvi *" To: fuzzybunnies@yahoogroups.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Stay Informed People re: New Orleans!! > >> EMDEF@topica.com Will94117@aol.com The Plea Agreement in New OrleansDate: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:24:42 +0000 >>Reply-To: Will94117@aol.com >> >>Electronic Music Defense and Education Fund (EM:DEF) >>---------------> Please forward this e-mail <-------------- >> >>1. Why is EM:DEF concerned about New Orleans? >>2. Excerpts from the Plea Agreement >>3. Donating to EM:DEF >>4. Incident Reports >> >>1. Why is EM:DEF concerned about New Orleans? >>EM:DEF formed following an indictment of Donnie Estopinal and Robert and >>Brian Brunet. The three men threw electronic music concerts in New >>Orleans. The shows were not unlike other electronic music events around >>the country - top DJs, top lighting and sound companies, professional >>security. The Federal Government, however, viewed these parties as >>nothing more than a crackhouse. >> >>EM:DEF formed to assist the three men in fighting criminal charges that >>arose because the DEA wanted to hold promoters criminally liable for the >>behavior of patrons at their concerts. THIS is a dangerous precedent >>for the music industry as a whole. It is further complicated by a >>series of laws that, in many areas, make it difficult for a concert or >>nightclub promoter to cooperate with law enforcement without >>jeopardizing their permits and business. When venues are lost, the >>entire scene loses. >> >>Below are excerpts from a plea agreement entered by Robert and Brian >>Brunet. A Judge will hear the plea on August 1st. While it eliminates >>criminal charges against any individuals, it maintains charges against >>New Orleans Barbecue, Inc. The initial plea agreement offered to >>Donnie, Robert and Brian would have sentenced all three men to at least >>one year in prison. But, while the change to the plea can be viewed as >>a victory in that it reduced the sentences, there are still some issues >>that raise concern. >> >>2. Excerpts from the plea agreement: >>The entire plea agreement can be viewed in the EM:DEF Law Library: >>http://www.emdef.org/library_law.html#NewOrleans >> >>Both the plea agreement and factual basis (which is really a part of the >>plea agreement) have elements that raise concerns, but the strongest >>element of concern is the following: >> >>(the subjects) will not engage in the following >>particular activities which constitute violations >>of Title 21 of the United States Code: >> >>The introduction, sale, distribution or >>providing of the following items at or into the >>State Palace Theater, 1108 Canal Street, New >>Orleans, Louisiana, 70112 during a concert or >>an event where an admission is charged: >> >>1. Infant pacifiers or any object in the shape >> of a pacifier >>2. Objects that glow, including but not limited >> to glow sticks and flashing rings >>3. Vapor rub products and vapor inhalers >>4. Dust masks or masks of any description >>5. Masseur, Masseuse or massage tables >>6. "Chill Rooms" or areas in the theater which >> are purposely kept 15 degrees cooler than >> the rest of the theater. >> >>Further the defendant agrees that the subjects will >>take all reasonable steps to prohibit the introduction >>of infant pacifiers or any objects that glow, including >>but not limited to glow sticks and flashing rings, >>vapor rub products, and vapor inhalers, dust masks or >>masks of any description by any person entering a >>concert or an event where an admission is charged >>or at the State Palace Theater, 1108 Canal Street, >>New Orleans, Louisiana 70112. ---- >> >>In short, this legal document attempts to create an admission that (a) >>these items constitute drug paraphernalia, and (b) allowing these items >>into a concert is an admission of knowledge and intent to allow drug >>use, and therefore constitutes violation of the crackhouse law. Equally >>disturbing is the DEA's sole enforcement of this law against electronic >>music events. Glow sticks are among the most popular merchandise item >>at Britney Spears and N'Sync concerts. So in essence, what the DEA is >>saying is, when these items are present at electronic music events, they >>are paraphernalia. This is like saying a tye-died shirt is >>paraphernalia when it is at a reggae concert. >> >>3. Donating to EM:DEF >>Donations to EM:DEF are used to fight court battles which directly >>effect our industry. When professional concert promoters are charged >>with violation of the "crackhouse" statute because people at their >>events have glow sticks, the entire music industry suffers. Without >>donations, EM:DEF cannot insure appropriate legal defense for >>professionals in the industry. It was partially a lack of adequate >>funds that led to a settlement in New Orleans. >> >>Organizations like the ACLU and Lindesmith Center provide invaluable >>resources in framing the constitutional and criminal defense arguments >>required to challenge these applications of the law. However, >>promoters, and venue managers in particular, often face decisions about >>the protection of their investments such as nightclubs, licenses and >>permits. Therefore, they often require private attorneys on their cases >>in order to stay in a legal fight. Without funds to afford these >>attorneys, they may not stay in the fight long enough to protect the >>interests of the entire industry and scene. >> >>EM:DEF needs your support to assist these professional individuals in >>their legal battles. In August, we are asking promoters around the >>country to donate $1 per paid admission to their nightclub or concert >>event. The success of this fundraising drive will largely determine the >>degree to which we can serve the industry and scene in the coming year. >>For those with multiple events, we are asking you to please chose one >>night and make a donation. If you are not a promoter, please tell your >>friends who are, and encourage them to support EM:DEF. >> >>Please visit the August fundraiser page on our web site: >>http://www.emdef.org/contribute.html#AugustFundraiser >>A sign-up form will go live in the next couple days. In the meantime, >>please e-mail will@emdef.org to sign up. >> >>Individual donations can be made at: >>http://www.emdef.org/contribute.html >> >>4. Incident Reports >>EM:DEF has received incident reports for five events harassed by law >>enforcement this month! The campaign against electronic music events is >>growing, and with it, our industry is suffering. EM:DEF is committed to >>identifying and supporting those cases which most effect our industry >>and scene. The government has waged a "War on Club Drugs" which has >>rapidly evolved into a "War on Clubs". Please help as we work to defend >>the nightclubs and concerts that give us a place to enjoy music and >>dance into the night. Our constitutional rights are being violated, and >>we have a right to see this stopped. >> >>Our incident report will go live in the next couple days. If there is >>an incident you'd like to report, please visit our web-site at: >>http://www.emdef.org/incidentreport.html >>An e-mail describing the incident can be sent to will@emdef.org. It will >>be forwarded appropriately. >> >>All general questions can be directed to will@emdef.org. Questions from >>journalists and editors can be directed to our publicist, Susan Mainzer, >>at susan@greengalactic.com >> >>==^================================================================ >>EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bUrG8K.bVKlAN >>Or send an email To: EMDEF-unsubscribe@topica.com >>This email was sent to: maenad@housemusic.com >> >>T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! >>http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register >>==^================================================================ > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >House music all night long... >http://www.housemusic.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Everything starts with an E. http://www.bluelight.nu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68979-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:32:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47940 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:32:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47914 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:32:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:32:36 -0700 Message-Id: <200107182332.QAA05532@mail14.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [63.201.57.44] From: "*madhvi *" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [Fwd: Flambe Lounge] >>This Saturday Night... >> >>Burning Man Flambé Lounge >> >>A NIGHT OF SEVEN AGES - 7/21/01 >> >>Pier 35 (Embarcadero & Bay) on the SF waterfront >>Site of ANON SALON'S SEA OF DREAMS >>7:30pm-2am >>$15 in Costume Finery; $20 not. >>(Dress for indoor and outdoor on the Bay), >>21 and over >> >>Twilight Outdoor 2 for 1 Cocktail Hour 8pm. >>Report from Organizers starting 9:15pm. >> >>Hourly processions, games and events pertaining to the Seven Ages theme. >> >>Main event: You! >> >>Each hour will feature a different age. Doors open at 7:30 and hourly >>processions, initiations, and performances begin sharply at 8, with a new >>age featured EVERY HOUR until 2am. >> >>8:00-9:00pm The Infant/Cradle (also twilight Happy Hour) >>9:00-10:00pm The Child/Playground >>10:00-11:00pm The Lover/Chapel (wear your wedding gowns!) >>11:00-12:00pm The Soldier/Coliseum >>12:00-1:00am The Justice/Maze >>1:00-2:00am The Pantaloon/Mausoleum >>2:00am The Man/Temple of Wisdom >> >>Including art, processions, art cars, performance, sounds, imagery, theme >>campery, games, and surprises by: Tim Black & the L2K team, Casa Azul, Dr. >>Friendly, friends of Draka the Dragon Dept of Public Transportation, Tod >>Dworman & Charles Trapolin's Maze lounge, The Extra Action Marching Band, >>The Fire Conclave, Diedre La Franceaux & Jan Nunn (the Cradle), Jenne Giles' >>(Mandala and Butoh performance), Annie Hallatt's Black Madonnas and >>procession, Keith Hennessy-Spiral Dance, The Hypknotron, KaosmiKitty & Uri >>(Mausoleum procession), Liquid Lights, Manatee Love Society (Playground), >>Medicine Planet Center, Mystic Beat Lounge, Mystic Family Circus, Peri >>Pfeninger and Coliseum artists & competitors, Playa Video, Radiofree Burning >>Man DJs+, $teven Ra$pa, Jericho Reese & the Bicycle Rodeo (Playground), John >>Richer's recycled gun coffin, Dr. Howlin' Owl Robins (performing a mass >>wedding!), Supersnail, Technomania Circus, Technofartz Camp, Russell Wilcox, >>and more. Best of all Y-O-U! >> >> >>See the Flambe Lounge section of www.burningman.com >>http://www.burningman.com/blackrockcity_yearround/special_events/flambe.html >> >>Flambé Lounge is a gathering of like-minded artists, eccentrics and other >>PARTICIPANTS. It is one way Burning Man creates COMMUNITY year-round; a >>venue to showcase new ideas for Burning Man 2001, to learn what others are >>working on, and to share information. Flambé Lounge is a forum for people >>who have experienced Burning Man before, as well as those who are thinking >>about going for the very first time. It is an opportunity to find >>collaborators and to volunteer in areas that interest you! It is time you >>set aside to meet friends and begin planning your theme camp, art >>installation, performance, ritual, or other means of PERSONAL >>EXPRESSION-whether your plans are for the desert or your own backyard! >> >>Want to volunteer, create a game/procession, contribute imagery? We are >>especially seeking Seven Ages-inspired art, theme camps and "players." >>mailto:flambelounge@burningman.com >> >>See >>http://www.burningman.com/themecamps_installations/installations/bm01_theme. >>html for more about the Seven Ages theme. >> >>Burning Man 2001 tickets on sale at this event. >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>And once more, because I know I know but you never know... >> >>WORK: If you are looking for cool and affordable work space, there is space available at the old Anon space. Contact Joegh at anon2@mindspring.com >> >>LIVE: And if you know of a typo creative who might be looking for studio/live/work space in a large Mill Valley house, have them check out or email spoon@well.com >> >>======================= >> >>Thanks, >> >>-m > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >House music all night long... >http://www.housemusic.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Everything starts with an E. http://www.bluelight.nu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68980-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:33:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49503 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:33:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49487 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:33:25 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010718163352.00b88c90@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:34:07 -0700 To: osby@ratkoonrat.net,The_List From: Raver In-Reply-To: <20010718232359.B4E0636FA@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon G. W. ! sarilion At 04:23 PM 7/18/2001 -0700, Osby wrote: > So Brandon (@ Invibe) & I were like talkin' today on chat & he=20 > brought up this question: "Who would you take to a Rave?" This question= =20 > came about when we talked about how he dated Michelle Yeoh back in the=20 > day & how I dated Allysa Mallano briefly in 95 & how I took her to an=20 > underground that year! > > So yeah, Who would you take to a Rave? Famous or not! Underground= =20 > or Commercial! Wow, this kinda reminds me of creative writing class! LoL > >=3D=3D >Later {8O)) >Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O=A7BY > >_____________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68981-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:34:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53481 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:34:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53471 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:34:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:33:02 -0700 From: IntenSmile In-reply-to: <20010718180356.46580.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] suggestion on finding an old mixtape? http://www.pureacidmixtapes.com/ They don't have the one you are looking for but it is a great place to get mix tapes and cd's. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Jess ica [mailto:thatpisces@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:04 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] suggestion on finding an old mixtape? I am looking for Melanie (sfhousecollective) "Blooming Beats" tape from a couple years ago, one of my absolute favorite mix tapes, but I don't know how to get my hands on another copy? any suggestions? Jess We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68982-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:39:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60845 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:39:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60834 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:39:05 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: , Cc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:30:44 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20010718183735.24456.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] how to dream techno >the problem would be doing it well without spending money on digital recording gear. These days you don't really need it: a computer with a good soundcard and a good cardioid mic is good enough. You really don't need a DAT machine for something like that; just record into your computer and edit/refine it in a program like SoundForge. Your computer IS a piece of digital recording equipment, and a good one at that. I guess what it really comes down to is how quiet you can get your room from ambient noise. With a bit of filtering tho, and if you used background music or something, a tiny bit of noise won't really be noticed. You can then print it straight to CD (why bother with tape??) .:nomadic:. .: dance like no one's watching .:. www.nomadicDJ.com :. -----Original Message----- From: punkass@viberation.com [mailto:punkass@viberation.com] Sent: 18 July 2001 11:38 To: raver@sarilion.org Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] how to dream techno Importance: Low On Wed, 18 July 2001, Raver wrote: [make hypnosis tape] > can you do it in flash? > > hehe no, but it could be done as an MP3. the problem would be doing it well without spending money on digital recording gear. giles --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68983-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:41:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65698 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:41:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65687 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:41:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:43:48 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <001a01c10fe3$7e8bab80$0d07c43f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C10FA8.D1631AE0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DOES ANYONE HAVE ROOM FOR AREA 51? ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C10FA8.D1631AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, im down to meet some new freinds, nearer to my age, ive met alot = of people off this by riding with them and its been fun but if anyone = out there like in the ages of 16-20 (yes 16 and 17 for all you that have = your fake id's like me :D (just my preferation but hey its a ride so i = cant complain) is willing to help a fellow raver in need of a ride do to = his license suspension :( and would liek to meet a great new friend, hit = me back up and well talk more, im on the guestlist for area 51 and i = lost my ride and i thought id give a shout to everyone on here and maybe = yall can help meh :D I live in sunnyvale so anyone aroudn that area = would be nice and im friendly to anyones choices of doing, so feel free = around me :D PeaCe Justin ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C10FA8.D1631AE0-- From sfraves-return-68984-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:41:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65709 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:41:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65688 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:41:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:44:04 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <002701c10fe3$89535fe0$0d07c43f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C10FA8.DB165200" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DOES ANYONE HAVE ROOM FOR AREA 51? ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C10FA8.DB165200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, im down to meet some new freinds, nearer to my age, ive met alot = of people off this by riding with them and its been fun but if anyone = out there like in the ages of 16-20 (yes 16 and 17 for all you that have = your fake id's like me :D (just my preferation but hey its a ride so i = cant complain) is willing to help a fellow raver in need of a ride do to = his license suspension :( and would liek to meet a great new friend, hit = me back up and well talk more, im on the guestlist for area 51 and i = lost my ride and i thought id give a shout to everyone on here and maybe = yall can help meh :D I live in sunnyvale so anyone aroudn that area = would be nice and im friendly to anyones choices of doing, so feel free = around me :D PeaCe Justin ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C10FA8.DB165200-- From sfraves-return-68985-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:43:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72791 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:43:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72781 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:43:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: Osby cc: The_List In-Reply-To: <20010718232359.B4E0636FA@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon South Carolina Senate Superstar, STROM THURMOND!!! A strobe-related medical mishap, combined with Sen. Jeffords' defection last month, might do wonders to tip the balance of power back to the Rebel Alliance. -mike. PS: My "jaded" hat, courtesy of Giles "punkass@viberation.com" Bowkett, is in the mail! PPS: Osby, no fucking way did you date Alyssa Milano. :) PPPS: Do you still have her number? > So Brandon (@ Invibe) & I were like talkin' today on chat & he >brought up this question: "Who would you take to a Rave?" This >question came about when we talked about how he dated Michelle Yeoh back >in the day & how I dated Allysa Mallano briefly in 95 & how I took her >to an underground that year! > > So yeah, Who would you take to a Rave? Famous or not! =20 >Underground or Commercial! Wow, this kinda reminds me of creative >writing class! LoL > >=3D=3D >Later {8O) >Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O=A7BY > >_____________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68986-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:58:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91657 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:58:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91617 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:58:26 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:58:14 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d3.17c220ad.28877c96_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) Tonight Free Party at the LimeLight --part1_d3.17c220ad.28877c96_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, Just wanted to invite every body to the CD Release Party of Armann the BrainChild's latest CD titled: Armann the BrainChild New York / San Francisco 0.02 Since we want to thank everyone for all the support thru the years were making the party free with this invite: Please Print this E-mail out and you and a friend will get into the party for FREE... please arrive early: invite valid till: 11:00 BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Starting Wednesday, July 4th - Wednesday, August 22nd date: Wednesday, JULY 18 > Main Room: Trance / Hard NRG ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. Official CD Release Party First 100 Clubbers will get a free copy of Armann's Lastest Double CD: ARMANN the BRAINCHILD New York / San Francisco 0.02 DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her own record label Mad Wax. DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: Progressive House / Tech House RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) KARMA SUTRA Las Vegas (Oracle / Phulux) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / Trance / Club Favorites RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Reocrds / Orgy / KSJA 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. info: www.brainchildentertainment.com info: 1-800-561-1800 VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink --part1_d3.17c220ad.28877c96_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68987-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 18 23:59:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93685 invoked by uid 1104); 18 Jul 2001 23:59:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93666 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 23:59:23 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: <31.17ce6844.28877cb8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:58:48 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_31.17ce6844.28877cb8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) BrainChild Free Party Tonight --part1_31.17ce6844.28877cb8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, Just wanted to invite every body to the CD Release Party of Armann the BrainChild's latest CD titled: Armann the BrainChild New York / San Francisco 0.02 Since we want to thank everyone for all the support thru the years were making the party free with this invite: Please Print this E-mail out and you and a friend will get into the party for FREE... please arrive early: invite valid till: 11:00 BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Starting Wednesday, July 4th - Wednesday, August 22nd date: Wednesday, JULY 18 > Main Room: Trance / Hard NRG ARMANN the BRAINCHILD NY/SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / DAMN Management) By intertwining the intricate melodies present in progressive anthem-based trace, Armann presents club and rave-goers alike with a performance that is guaranteed to stir the mind, body and soul. Official CD Release Party First 100 Clubbers will get a free copy of Armann's Lastest Double CD: ARMANN the BRAINCHILD New York / San Francisco 0.02 DYLOOT SF (Skills / Popsikal) Being in the scene in the bay area for years and responsible for promoting over 20 successful massive events, dyloot will surely rock the tables. MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) With her nationally released cd "Alive" on StreetBeat records as well as her own single "Rhythm Rock". Look out for more of her work coming out on her own record label Mad Wax. DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Second Level: Progressive House / Tech House RICHARD SUMMERHAYES London UK (Get Groovy Recordings / Eukahouse) DJ MELANIE SF (Get Groovy Recordings / SF House Collective) KARMA SUTRA Las Vegas (Oracle / Phulux) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Tech House / Trance / Club Favorites RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Reocrds / Orgy / KSJA 90.5) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. info: www.brainchildentertainment.com info: 1-800-561-1800 VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! Then we'll enter you to win a Round Trip Package to Disney Land. (includes Air Fair, Hotel and passes to Disney Land for 2) Break Dancing and Glow Stick Tournament for 8 weeks leading up to the Championships, winners battle to the end for $2,000 in prizes and CASH!!! VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink --part1_31.17ce6844.28877cb8_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68988-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 00:10:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4719 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 00:10:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4709 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 00:10:45 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <002301c10fe7$1b8ef420$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "sfraves" , , "DJ D LIST" Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:09:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C10FAC.63877DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ***Looking for help promoting F-8 & Coolworld Events*** ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C10FAC.63877DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im looking for people interested in=20 promoting for the Frequency 8 campout=20 on sept. 8-9 and for cyberfest which is on august 11th I could use your help this weekend so let me kno if u can help. either friday or saturday... Email me back for more info and lemme kno where u live and if u have a car... aight then L8 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C10FAC.63877DA0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-68989-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 00:14:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8577 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 00:14:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8513 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 00:14:22 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:25:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NYC BECOMING NAZI ERA BERLIN? Below is a recent compilation of stories from the Rotten Apple. Yes, used to be big and sweet, but the Giuliani regime has turned NYC into something akin to thirties Berlin or Soviet-era Moscow. Safe. But oppressive. And hostile to dancers. Just a few weeks ago a friend of mine with HIV was on vacation in NYC and was busted for having a half-smoked joint. Although he has a card from SF indicating he uses weed for medical purposes he was held in jail for 24 hours without his meds. All this saddens me, because the New York I remember was open, exciting, and a dancer's heaven. These articles with links were assembled by Fraser Clark in the UK and appeared in his most recent edition of YOUUPGRADEmag. Love, Apollo ___________________________________ GLOBAL RAVE CRACKDOWN CONTINUED Village Voice - RAVE ROBBERS (7/11/01) http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0128/romano.shtml It looked like any other vigil: Flowers and candles littered the sidewalk, handwritten screeds and love letters for the lost friend covered the door. People gathered around and took photos, hugging each other and bidding farewell. A few cried, and some danced to the music booming from a silver car parked at the curb. But this vigil wasn't for a dead rock star: It was for a club °Twilo° which... WITHOUT LICENSE TO DANCE, NO CURE FOR ANTS IN PANTS (04/09/01) http://cns.jrn.columbia.edu/apr09/nodance.html Although cabaret laws were designed to control a burgeoning jazz culture in Harlem three generations ago, current enforcement evokes themes associated with Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani's quality-of-life campaign. The city says that community complaints prompt the inspections and that cracking down on illegal dancing is part of efforts to keep noise levels down and safety standards up. Village Voice - THE LAKESIDE LOUNGE ENFORCES BAN ON BOOGIE (08/23/00) http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0034/katz.shtml A DJ spins mellow breakbeats inside the meatpacking district bar Baktun as a film of a house party in stop-action is projected onto a hanging screen. A woman sits at a table, watching the film, entranced by the beauty of human movement. But those characters on the screen are the only ones who are allowed to dance here. New York Magazine - NIGHTLIFE '99: NIGHTCLUB LIMBO (11/22/99) http://www.newyorkmag.com/page.cfm?page_id=1555&position=1 These days, nightclub owners have to jump some serious hurdles to get the music pumping. But a new network of fixers-for-hire can help get a club past the hard spots - if their clients don't go bankrupt first. New York Magazine NIGHTLIFE '99: WIRED THINGS (11/22/99) http://www.newyorkmag.com/page.cfm?page_id=1553 For some high-flying New Yorkers, the party doesn't even begin until 6am. Tell the bouncer you've come to see the Rabbi. At precisely 4am on a recent Saturday, a crowd waits outside a black door with a peephole on a b brownstone-lined street in Alphabet City. The mostly young group is strapped into Prada Velcro bags and wears expensive orange Nikes; there are a few cowboy hats, and one woman wears a baby-T that reads BOYS SUCK. New York Magazine NIGHTLIFE '99: CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER (11/22/99) http://www.newyorkmag.com/page.cfm?page_id=1554 The drug now threatening clubland is colorless, odorless, and so dangerous even some dealers won't sell it. But you can buy it with a credit card on the Internet. It's a rainy Saturday night in late October and despite a chilly wind blowing off the Hudson River, hundreds of men in tank tops and denim cutoffs are lining up outside the Roxy. New York Magazine NIGHTLIFE '99: WHERE TO GO IN NEW YORK (11/22/99) http://www.newyorkmag.com/page.cfm?page_id=1552 A long time ago, in a decade that seems far, far away, New York's club bathrooms were filled with more decadence than the clubs themselves. But Rudolph is no fan of reindeer games, so most of our city's finest dance spots have cracked down on drugs and debauchery in not-so-public places. CNN - DANCING IS ON THE ROPES, NOT THE BAR, IN NEW YORK (04/04/97) http://www.cnn.com/US/9704/04/dancing.ban/ Old law is meant to protect neighborhoods. New York is a fun town that's normally tolerant of different standards of behavior. That's why the owner of an extremely popular bar called Hogs and Heifers was stunned when police came into his establishment recently and announced he was being shut down. www.indie-music.com - IS NEW YORK BECOMING BERLIN? http://www.indie-music.com/newyorkberlin.htm How prohibition-era laws ban dancing in New York City. and earn Mayor Rudy Giuliani comparisons to Hitler. The world's largest metropolis, home of incredible cultural diversity, one of the top cities in the world for great art museums and exciting nightlife... or at least it used to be. The Shadow - SOCIAL CLUB TASK FORCE RAIDS ROCK CLUBS http://mediafilter.org/shadow/S44/s44club.html Just before midnight on June 27, the Velvet Mafia was in the middle of an encore set at CBGBs, performing "Girl From Planet Muff," when lead singer Dean Johnson noticed that the audience seemed to double in size. "I had no idea they were police. I thought it was a packed house loving us." "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68990-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 00:27:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19788 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 00:27:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19778 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 00:27:02 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Sfraves" Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:14:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Oh no!!!! (need peeps to roll in with to the free brainchild party) Hey everyone, My clubbing buddy just called and said he was sick and is cancelling out on coming with me to the free brainchild party! I really wanna go to that, but it kinda sux going by yourself. Anyone wanna roll in with me?? I have a car, or we can take your car whatever. If anyone is in the same situation as I, or just wants to meet a new friend in the DJ/raver community, please email me back =) .:nomadic:. .: dance like no one's watching .:. www.nomadicDJ.com :. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68991-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 00:27:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20853 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 00:27:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20808 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 00:27:13 -0000 Message-ID: <005501c10fe7$9137cda0$0206a8c0@josh> From: "Josh.Illion" To: "sfraves" , "sacraves" , , Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:12:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C10FAC.E33557C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [BSP] COLOSSAL MUSIC FESTIVAL 2001, SEPT 15TH ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C10FAC.E33557C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Colossal Music Festival=20 Saturday September 15th, 2001 3 MASSIVE IN DOOR AREA'S PLUS A VIP OUTDOOR AREA!!! 100% VIRGIN VENUE. THIS VENUE HAS NEVER BEEN USED FOR ANY TYPE OF EVENT, CONCERT, SHOW, = PREFORMANCE, ECT. PLEASE RESPECT THE CITY AND VENUE TO HELP PRESERVE = WHAT COULD BE A FUTURE HOME TO MANY NOR CAL EVENTS!!! ONLY 1 HOUR FROM = SACRAMENTO AND ONE HOUR FROM SAN FRANCISCO!!!! (NEAR I-5 AND 120/580... MANTECA AREA) 12 NON STOP HOURS OF MUSIC 4:00PM - 4:00AM=20 OVER 40 WORLD CLASS DJ'S AND ARTISTS Global 1 Featuring: Techno/Trance/NRG: Angel Alanis - A Squared/Champion Sound/angelalanis.com, Chicago (Cd = Release "Accelerated Motion") Barry Weaver - Equinox Music, San Diego Rick V - In Tha Mix Recordings/Clockwork eventz, Sacramento Ron Reeser aka RKTECH - Clockwork eventz, San Francisco=20 David Garcia - Solmatic/Soulphusion/Radioactive DJ's, San Francisco Joey Mazzola - AM Crew/Radioactive DJ's, San Francisco Vince - In Tha Mix Recordings, Sacramento DJ D - www.dj-d.com, Berkley Ultraman - Divine Intervention, Sacramento Yokozuna - Divine Intervention, Sacremento Junior - Divine Intervention, Sacremento/Taipei Global 2 Featuring: Drum & Bass/Jungle R.A.W. - Surveillance Sound/Los Angeles Machete - Respect/Junglist Platoon, Los Angeles C.R.S. - Tonz of Drumz/Herbn Music/Rufnek, Los Angeles Billy Lane - Black Locust/916 Junglist, Sacremento DJ Tao - Black Locust/Insomniac, Sacramento Slim - Black Locust/UMS, Sacramento Megatron - Mecehasoul/ASR, San Francisco Tofu De La Moore - Black Locust/UMS, Sacramento DJ Push - True Intent/Futurebreaks/FM/Etnie, San Francisco MC L-Ski - Black Locust/ARC Recordings, Sacramento DJ Eva - Sleeveless/Etnies, San Francisco Frost - Foundation/Black Locust, Sacramento Global 3 Featuring: HardNRG/Progressive House/Trance/Funky House Thomas Trouble=20 Blutonium Records/The Agency/theagencysanfrancisco.com, San Francisco vs.=20 Paul Grogan=20 Rampant Records Fame, Los Angeles SF's leading trance DJ/Producer Thomas Trouble has teamed up with LA = legend Paul Grogan for an explosive 2 x 4 set. This event is also the offical = record release party for this duo's new monster track "Maxima". The suspense is = high and you guys will be the first to hear it.... at Colossal!!! Frank Nitty vs. DJ Ghost=20 (Ghost Tribe, Bay Area) This pair of SF legends are going head to head on a 2 x 4 set that you=20 wont want to miss as everyone remembers them from the old school days. JAXX The Ripper - Ultasounz/www.djAjax.com, San Francisco Freddy - In Tha Mix/Natrillykleen, Sacramento Dragn'Fly - Teknique/Epiphany, Sacramento Dyloot - Skills, Berkeley Tom Slick - Skills, Berkeley Kendra French - Girls are DJ's Too, Sacramento DJ Menace - Kreative Ent., Sacramento Global 4 Hosted By Elysium Music International Featuring a LIVE VIP Stage!!! Exclusive Live Preformance By: Sarina Paris=20 (www.sarinaparis.com) Priority/Playland Recording artist Sarina Paris with her debut album=20 featuring the smash hit singles "Look at Us" and "Just about enough" Look for her new album to be released in September. Be the first to=20 hear it at Colossal Music Festival 2001!!! Lee Foster=20 Elysium Music, England UK You will not want to miss this historcal preformance as Lee Foster takes = to American turntables for the first time ever! He has become one of the = most well=20 respected DJ's on the circut in the UK and abroad, now he will show = America why! DJ Emotion - Elysium Music, Calgary Canada Dean Kroh - Elysium Music, California - LIVE/Turntables Kidloose - Feelgood Entertainment, San Francisco Headcase - Elysium Music, California DJ Liquid - Journees Music/Remix/Million Wishes, San Francisco Limacon - Elysium Music, Santa Cruz - LIVE PA Temp:o - Elysium Music, California R.Z. - Elysium Music, California Free CD, Tape, T-shirt giveaways from Elysium Music. DJ Liquid's offical CD release + giveaways from Remix Clothing Colossal Global Entertainment presents the ultimate interactive dance = festival. Hosted in a massive virgin location, experience the vibe that only the = best, top-notch, preformers of the millennium, can deliver. Featuring = international artists as well as your favorite local DJ's EXCLUSIVE FEATURED INTERNATIONAL PREFORMERS Lee Foster=20 (Elysium Music, UK) Lee has played in many of the UK's super-clubs. He has a polished and = diverse trance style and is quick to adapt to his enviroment. This will be his = first US=20 appearance and slready we feel sure it wont be his last. DJ Emotion (Elysium Music, Canada) DJ Emotion is returning to California once again to deliver a mind = blowing preformance. Since her last apperance in SF she has become a global icon = will all UK hardhouse/NRG fans. If you missed her 1999, you DO NOT want = to miss this very rare Northern California apperance. MASSIVE SOUND AND LIGHTING BY: Divine Interventions/Stim-U-Lights Buy your presales early to avoid lines and no entry.=20 $25.00 now, $30 after Aug.15, $40.00 @ The Door By online @ groovetickets.com All presale holders are guaranteed quick entry. Party responsibly, all ages welcome.=20 100% fully permitted super virgin venue.=20 One our from the Bay, One Hour From Sacremento!!! Gates open 4:00pm sharp This is a ALL DAY - ALL NIGHT event!!! Tickets: Sacramento - Dimple Records (916) 925-2600 Sacramento - The Beat (916) 442-0499=20 Sacramento - In Tha Mix (916) 442-0499 Davis - Armadillo (530) 758-8058 Fairfeild - Rock On (707) 422-2028 Stockton/Modesto - The Vinyl Shop (209) 238-9734 Berkeley - Skills (510) 204-9876 San Francisco - F8 Records (415) 221-4142 San Francisco - Spundae Records (415) 575-1580 Peninsula/South Bay - Ultasounz (650) 871-4170 San Jose - Solid Grooves (408) 248-6399 INFO ON THIS EVENT 800-615-5071 :: 916-431-3146 colossalmusicfest.com globalmusic69@hotmail.com =20 Josh Illion - josh@elysiumusic.com Executive Producer/Artist Management Elysium Music International http://www.elysiumusic.com Telephone/Fax: 1.877.504.2887 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C10FAC.E33557C0-- From sfraves-return-68992-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 00:58:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51476 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 00:58:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51456 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 00:58:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:58:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: k-boy allstar cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: My spElllInG? Seriously, really, who does? Stop bickering about how things are spelled and if you have an actual issue to discuss, please do so. With respect. I have this beleif that if the conversation has resorted to picking on one anothers' spelling and intelligence, it does NOT belong on this list, and I will enforce it. Love, Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, k-boy allstar wrote: > > Who gives a damn!! > > >From: DJ Pat > >Reply-To: djpat@yahoo.com > >To: Tommy C , noah008@ureach.com, > >Randall_Plank@dstinnovis.com, sacraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: My spElllInG? > >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:26:16 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Where did you go to college? The Rocco Columbo School Of > >Typewriter Maintenance? > > > >Your "college" failed to teach you that "8th Grade" is a > >specific, singular, countable noun and therefore requires > >the definite article "the". > > > >Your sentence should have read, "Whereas it appears as if > >you flunked out of [THE] 8th grade." > > > >I would ask for a refund if I were you, but like Shock G > >said, "Dowhatchalike..." > > > >spellin' how I like, > >p a t > > > > > >--- Tommy C wrote: > > > Ok, Captain "Name Myself After One Of The Dumbest Michael > > > Jackson Stunts > > > Ever". Do you want me to use proper sentence structure? > > > Because I can do > > > that, as well as spell all my words correctly. I happen > > > to have a college > > > education. Whereas it appears as if you flunked out of > > > 8th grade. There's > > > one difference between misspelling a ton of words, and > > > using a loosely > > > structured sentence. The majority of the people on the > > > list can still > > > understand me if I happen to use a bunch of periods, etc. > > > Whereas when you > > > spell words wrong, it just makes you look like a complete > > > IDIOT. Enough > > > said. > > > > > > tommy *correcting idiots since the dawn of time* c > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Captain EO" > > > To: ; > > > ; "Tommy C" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:54 PM > > > Subject: My spElllInG? > > > > > > > > > > i shoudl go back to school becuase i can not spell > > > week. > > > > This makes me an idiot? all right, well you didn't > > > even have > > > > proper sentance structure. who is the idiot now? > > > Look, i > > > > don't knwo why you people are tearing me apart for one > > > > word i mispelled, and i am sure i am NOT the first > > > person > > > > to mispell a word. lighten up people, or your gonna > > > get a > > > > hernia..... > > > > > > > > peace > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparently you should go back to school if you can't > > > spell > > > > something as > > > > > easy > > > > > as WEEK. or ASS. damn, what an idiot! > > > > > > > > > > t > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Captain EO" > > > > > To: ; "Plank, Randall " > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:41 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: RE: wonderland not this weakend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh thanks a lot HITLER, jesus what is this nazi > > > > > > germany?!?! you understood what i was saying, pull > > > > that > > > > > > oak tree out of yer azzz muthafuker!!!!!!! > > > > > > i didn't realize i was back in school......... > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Plank, Randall > > > > > > (Randall_Plank@dstinnovis.com) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > hey, Captain IDIOT....learn how to fuckin spell, > > > ok??? > > > > its > > > > > > wEEkend.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Randall Plank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DST Innovis > > > > > > > DDP Financials > > > > > > > Desk: 916-934-7302 > > > > > > > Email: Randall_Plank@dstinnovis.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Captain EO [mailto:noah008@ureach.com] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:32 PM > > > > > > > To: sacraves@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > Subject: wonderland not this weakend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its not this weakend... apearently its on the > > > 27th i > > > > think, > > > > > > well > > > > > > > according to hyperreal. anything else going on > > > this > > > > > > > weakend? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > > > __ > > > > > > > Get your own "800" number > > > > > > > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > > > > > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice: This e-mail and any attachments are > > > > intended > > > > > > only for the > > > > > > > individual or company to which it is addressed > > > and > > > > may > > > > > > contain > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > which is privileged, confidential and prohibited > > > from > > > > > > disclosure or > > > > > > > unauthorized use under applicable law. 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Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > __ > > > > > > Get your own "800" number > > > > > > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > > > > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > Get your own "800" number > > > > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > > > > > >===== > >------------------------Raving Iz Not A Crime---------------------- > > http://www.DJ-Pat.com > > For Bookings/Info/Phone Sex: (559)787-2306 or (916)492-9714 > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68993-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 01:22:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75110 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 01:22:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75079 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 01:22:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719012245.12898.qmail@web4404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:22:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Karma-Catt To: osby@ratkoonrat.net, mike@cloudfactory.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re:Talkin' w/ Brandon >>PPS: Osby, no fucking way did you date Alyssa Milano. :) That's what I'm sayin! Damn Osby! I thought you had me up on all your gossip???!!! When was it anyway? Like her hot teen years when she made that exercise video or what? lol ;o) Side note on the 'who'd I'd take to a rave'... first thought, of coarse, was Angelina Jolie.. but I'm not sure if I'd EVER want to see her rollin (not that everyone does that at their first rave) but could you imagine what SHE might confess to??!!! lol ;o) ...hmmm.. I would've liked to have seen Osby go to his first rave !... but the funniest thing would be taking my sister's husband to a rave. Besides them being VERY concervative, it would just be some sight! Damn, he'd be running around praying for everyone's souls and rebuking candy kids left and right! Side note to the side note : Jared said he'd take me :o) ... awhhhh ;o) Love, Catt *meow* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:43:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Osby From: Mike Migurski cc: The_List Subject: Re: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon Message-ID: South Carolina Senate Superstar, STROM THURMOND!!! A strobe-related medical mishap, combined with Sen. Jeffords' defection last month, might do wonders to tip the balance of power back to the Rebel Alliance. -mike. PS: My "jaded" hat, courtesy of Giles "punkass@viberation.com" Bowkett, is in the mail! PPS: Osby, no fucking way did you date Alyssa Milano. :) PPPS: Do you still have her number? > So Brandon (@ Invibe) & I were like talkin' today on chat & he >brought up this question: "Who would you take to a Rave?" This >question came about when we talked about how he dated Michelle Yeoh back >in the day & how I dated Allysa Mallano briefly in 95 & how I took her >to an underground that year! > > So yeah, Who would you take to a Rave? Famous or not! =20 >Underground or Commercial! Wow, this kinda reminds me of creative >writing class! LoL > >=3D=3D >Later {8O) >Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O=A7BY > >_____________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68994-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 01:45:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90209 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 01:45:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90199 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 01:45:55 -0000 Date: 18 Jul 2001 18:45:24 -0700 Message-ID: <20010719014524.8783.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Jul 2001 01:45:24 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Mista Jaded X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: punkass@viberation.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] who'd you like to defend yourself from at a rave??? once at a rave a kangaroo tried to jump my bones!! I kicked him in the nuts and put dynamite in his pouch!!! HE BLEW UP!!!!! there was fuzzy Australian carnage EVERYWHERE!! body parts glowin in the blacklight and stuff!!! I hate kangaroos!! I hate Australians!!! PLUR!!!!! giles ps: violence has been a part of raving since the very beginning. remember that Blood Factory party where we sacrificed a goat to Satan?? that was the BEST!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68995-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 02:28:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18895 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 02:28:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18884 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 02:28:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:25:39 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) New CD - The Bicycle Time Traveler (Part 1) Hi, Here's a new promo CD/MP3 I've started. This comprehensive 4 part series takes you on a journey through the mind. I'll be setting up ICQ and File Sharing via TCP/IP appointments for those who are interested in this 68 mb MP3. At this time I don't have the bandwidth or storage space to put this on my website, though there is a little snippet located at http://www.deepfog.com/community . Anyway, contact me if you're interested, though bear in mind i have a limited amount of CD's. I'm logged in on Napster as user 'fogfest'... though their file sharing isn't up yet. I'll be out soon so ask for a CD if you're out, you see me, and I have one! Here starts the story?! ---------------- PART ONE One time I was running around the lake and there was a bank of green fog in front of me. Like an idiot, I ran into it. Little did I know that I would find out, first hand, that the Philadelphia Experiment really happened. Suddenly, I was there, one with the bulkhead of a small destroyer. Suddenly God appeared and offered me a choice: die a painful death in a bulkhead, or use this bicycle to travel around the different time periods, at no time however, being fully here nor there. So being eternally on the run, it is lucky I have a mountain bike to keep me going. At least that's what God says it is called. The bike does look a little strange to people in the 18th and 19th centuries, especially when riding right through large battles. Only the American Indians knew who I was and waved. One day I parked on a cliff and another cloud formed to the right of me. Out came this man who looked old yet looked young, though like me, he was not really here nor there, rather he was his imagination, and I, perhaps, was just a figment of it. In his hand he held a box with buttons on it. As he moved a small joystick to the right, out came these enormous boxes. "These are speakers. It's up to you to bring back some phreakers. The bass will protect us." Suddenly a tent area appeared and some futuristic looking phonographs appeared behind the speakers. He pointed to the cliff and said "Go!" Full speed, I ran my tires over a thousand foot drop, but instead I climbed quickly. "Where would I go," I asked? "The music will guide you," said the music. And the music goes something like this... TRACK LISTING (version 1.01a) : -------------------- Foreplay EP - Psychic Driving Abstract Truth - Courageous Cat Todd Terry - Desire--What I Want Lance Nuance - Q without the U Da Cuban Heelz - Keep It Steady Underground Science - Reflected Frank Dubois - Latin Jack Niko Beletto - Coneso Lance Nuance - Wind Over Rio DJ Buck - The Original Cisco Freaks (B Side on the inside) Lapis Lazuli - Lapis Lazuli EP Undercover Agency - Tribute With Svek - Things You Said Dubtribe - We Used To Dance (muzique tropique's glasgow funk mix) Astral Matrix - Black Label CPEN - Mystereo Svek - After The Rain Listen to a sample of this mix at http://www.deepfog.com/community TO BE CONTINUED... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68996-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 02:34:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23456 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 02:34:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23446 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 02:34:06 -0000 From: Ugsoundmgmtruth@aol.com Message-ID: <129.19f29d8.2887a0f6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:33:26 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_129.19f29d8.2887a0f6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 353 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Underground Sound-Audio Updates, Roster News and Club Info-July 18, 2001 --part1_129.19f29d8.2887a0f6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pssst....Sorry for the interruption.....Hope everyone is having a wonderful summer so far! Here's our latest Underground Sound Roster, Audio and Event Update for this week......... Just a quick reminder that Underground Sound will be closed beginning at 6pm on August 1, 2001 thru August 7, 2001. New booking inquiries via email or telephone will NOT be responded to until we return from our holiday. We'll be in Malaysia during that time, so if there is an emergency regarding a pending or confirmed booking our mobile and fax number will be provided in the weeks to come in our next mailing. Underground Sound Audio Mixes More than 28 mixes (in mp3 format) are available for downloading. We have just recently created a new form for you to fill out, which will automatically activate your audio user account, so if you have not already done so, check out the following link http://www.ugsoundmgmt.com/audio.shtml and register your ugsound audio user account today! Mixes from the following Underground Sound talent include: Andy Jarrod (UK) Kasey Taylor (Australia) Troy Roberts (San Francisco) Mac C (New York) Dylan Drazen (New York) Paolo Mojo (UK) Steve Gerrard (UK) Andy Jarrod's Extrema Festival (Holland) Promo, Mac C's June 2001 and all of the Dylan Drazen entire techno and house archive mixes have just been uploaded and are ready for your downloading/streaming pleasure, track listing can also be found on the audio site. New mixes in the next few weeks from Steve Gerrard, Kasey Taylor and Desyn Masiello! For those of you already subbed the link to the mixes is: http://www.ugsoundmgmt.com/.audio/ You can also check out Steve Gerrard's recently archived mix from BPM Radio at :www.bpmradio.co.uk/archivestra.htm and if you're interested, track listing is available at: http://www.ugsoundmgmt.com/bio-gerrard.shtml Message Board We have also just added a new message board to the Underground Sound home page. We encourage those of you who have downloaded the audio mixes to post your reviews up on the board, we also welcome any other reviews, suggestions, thoughts, etc. on clubs, current tracks, your favorite dj's and anything else you'd like to chat about. Dont be a stranger, stop by and say "hello" to us! The direct link to the message board is: http://www.ugsoundmgmt.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi Congratulations to Kasey Taylor with the success of his latest remix of Pole Folder and CP's 'Apollo Vibes' (Bedrock Records), it continues to rank high in the charts and was most recently slated #8 on the Release Records chart in Toronto and also at #11 this week on Balance Promote's Chart. Lucien Foort's latest Funk Funktion remix has also debuted this week at #35 on Balance Promote's chart. His remix of Danny and Roland's 'Keep on Rockin' is being released on PRO Recordings in Holland. Balance Promote Group Chart WEEK ENDING July 16, 2001 www.BalancePromote.com Mark Shimmon vs 3rd Degree - Dark Feeling (Mara/Andy Moor/Pete Gawtry Remixes) (UK) Tune Inn Two Right Wrongans - Sorry Mate...(Steve Porter/O.S.S. Remixes) (US) Inversus Electric Tease - Fever / Sizzler (UK) Automatic Nu Breed - Food for Thought (Dark Alley Remix) (AUS) Zero Tolerance Loafer - Travelogue (UK) Hope Pappa & Gilbey - Void (US) Twilo Jonathan E - Lovescope (UK) Capital Heaven Marcus Wallis & Sam Gillet - 16mm (UK) Player One Underground Sound of Renaissance (UK) Renaissance Distance - Measure (UK) Niche CP & Pole Folder - Apollo Vibes (John Debo/Kasey Taylor/YAP Remixes) (UK) Bedrock Array - Digital Origin (Oko Tek Remix) (US) Stellar Sonic Infusion - Reformatted (Main Element Remix) (UK) Polyester Drumscape - Transmission (UK) Steelyard DCM - Elemental (UK) Plastica Tempral - Tempral/Passion (UK) Sarm Tijuana - Groove is in the Air (Simon/FC Kahuna/Moonface Remixes) (UK) Bedrock Tarrentella - Karma/Calmer (UK) Whoop Planet Heaven - Prey (UK) 3 Beat Tronica - Tantric (UK) White Sands Critical Phase - Phase One (Futureshock Remix) (UK) Fuju Starecase - Hopeless/Undecided/Navigator (Original & Ariane Remix) (UK) Hope Dan Robbins - D.B.D. (Peter Heller Dub) (UK) Junior Bedrock - Voices (Saeed & Palash Remix) (UK) Bedrock Paul Nord - Hedghog EP (Saeed & Palash Remix) (UK) Malestrom Mark Wheawill - Tension / Eastern Joy (UK) Gravitation Hidden - Krystal (UK) Coldtap Dark Driver - Revision-2 (UK) Choo Choo Rino Cerrone - Reset EP (US) SAW Blackstone - Superfrill (AUS) Vapour Sarah McLachlan - Remixed (Hybrid/BT/Dusted/Fade Remixes) (CAN) Nettwerk Tempral - Trauma (UK) Sarm Darko - Heaven / Overhead (UK) Mechanism Redback - The Shadow (US) Sunkissed Danny & Roland - Keep On Rockin (Funk Function Remix) (NETH) PRO Jerome Robins/Adam Nathan (July 05/01) Release Records (Toronto, Canada) Reviewers for Mixer (New York City) /Tribe (Toronto)/ Vinyl (Montreal) 1. Greed feat Lesley "Promises" [Sleepfreaks] (Mechanism) NEW!!! 2. Chris Cargo "Touch the Sky" (Choo Choo) NEW!!! 3. Loafer "Travelogue" [Original/Blackwatch] (Hope) NEW!!! 4. Sheethanger "For You Alone" [Spincycle] (Forged) NEW!!! 5. Mavi "The Lost Anatolian EP Pt.2" (Twilo) NEW!!! 6. Blackstone "Supafrill" (Vapour) NEW!!! 7. David James "Permanent State" [Superchumbo] (Hooj Choons) 8. Pole Folder & CP "Apollo Vibes" [Original/YAP/Kasey Taylor] (Bedrock) NEW!!! In the studio, Mac C (NYC) and his partner Ali G (NYC), just recently completed a brand new remix of Underground Sound of Lisbon's "So Get Up", which will be released on Kaos Records of Portugal as the Low End Specialists remix, due to be released in August 2001. Their track just recently debuted this week on Satoshi Tomiie's chart at #7! This information is available on Satoshi's website at :http://www.satoshitomiie.com/sthp2001_eng/index.html SATOSHI TOMIIE TOP 25-7/17/2001 01.KING UNIQUE "Dirty"Junior 02.SATOSHI TOMIIE "Atari" [James Doman Remix] Sony 03.PMT "Deeper Water" [Sander Kleinenberg] Acetate 04.VAIIO "Rapture" [Creamer & K. / Deep Dish]Twilo/Ministry 05.NAT MONDAY "Waiting" [Creamer & K.]Distinctive 06.KOT "Finally" [Rulers Of The Deep & Tenaglia Dub]Defected 07.UNDERGROUND SOUND OF LISBON "So Get Up"[Low End Specialists Remix]Kaos Rumors have it, that Steve Gerrard will have 3 consecutive monthly guest spots at Steve Lawler's monthly Midweek Session at Code in Birmingham, UK, it is very possible this could lead into a new residency for him! Steve just recently did a guest spot at the grand opening of El Campo in Cordoba, Argentina and packed the house in with over 2,800 clubbers! Looking to catch some of our artists overseas? Just recently Kasey Taylor and Steve Gerrard, have both headlined the main floor at Movement in Kuala Lumpur this past May and June. Desyn Masiello recently headlined at Dbl-O in Singapore on June 23, 2001 and played at Pacha in Buenos Aires this past weekend. Dylan Drazen just returned from his regular appearnace in Spain. Paolo Mojo is off to Pacha at Ibiza on July 21, 2001 for the Enter:Southeast event. Andy Jarrod will be on the main stage at the Extrema Festival in Holland on July 21, 2001. Mac C will also be headlining at Movement (Kuala Lumpur) on August 4th. For more information on DJ schedules please check out the schedules page Expect to see more of Paolo Mojo and Andy Jarrod in Kuala Lumpur at Movement in the months to come. Not to mention the return of Steve Gerrard to the United States and Paolo Mojo making his U.S. debut. We are currently working on a tour for both Muzik Bedlam winners for the fall, if you're a promoter with a club in the United States or Canada interested in participatig in the Muzik Tour, please contact: ruth@ugsoundmgmt.comDesyn Masiello and Paolo Mojo's label, Symphonic Recordings, has a brand new website! Updated with record release information, European management contact, press and artist updates, be sure to check it out at www.symphonic-music.com. If you need any additional information on Symphonic, please email: paolo@symphonic-music.com Club Events in Los Angeles................. Here is some important information regarding our affiliates at Club 01. "On behalf of the entire staff of CLUB 01, we'd like to thank everyone for the overwhelming support since our grand opening in April 2001. During the past 3 months, you've been a part of welcoming some of the world's most talented DJ's and producers to Los Angeles.From the original MASTERS AT WORK - LITTLE LOUIE VEGA to the techno/tech-house beats of STACEY PULLEN, CHRIS LIEBING & CHRISTIAN SMITH and the deep, progressive sounds of SEAN CUSICK and JOHN GRAHAM - it has been quite a musical journey for us all. Talent spanning the globe, from New York to London, San Francisco to Germany, have all graced the decks at CLUB 01 and we are very delighted that you have been a part of it. We've received quite a bandwidth of email in response to the musical outlet that we've been providing to you and we feel that it is time that we do what we need to do to make CLUB 01 the very best musical and clubbing experience for our faithful followers. Effective immediately, CLUB 01 has shut it's doors to begin re-construction on our new club format. You will be updated via email once we are ready to announce our grand re-opening date. Be sure to keep yourself on this list if you'd like to be part of the up to the minute 411 on CLUB 01! Again, thanks for being a part of the CLUB 01 experience and we look forward to seeing you very soon!" For more information visit the website at www.01-LA.com or you can email: info@01-la.com We also recommend you check out the following club nights at Club Sugar. On Saturday at "Pure", Spundae and Underground Sound's very own, Troy Roberts will make an apperance, this weekend on July 21, 2001. Dont miss out on the 2 hour set from 12-2 from Troy as he promises to throw down an amazing deep, progressive house set! Also coming up on August 11, 2001 at Club Sugar is, Muzik's Bedlam winner himself from Birmingham, UK, Steve Gerrard. Steve will be bringing out a tasty progressive set to the intimate club setting, so be sure to mark these two days on your calendar! Club Sugar is located in Santa Monica and features a state of the art sound system and a great vibe. For more information on Sugar, visit their website at: www.clubsugar.com Also spanning the Globe to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Underground Sound also recommends the following event: Substance Perceptions presents: Saturday - August 4, 2001- Mac C (NYC) Vinyl & Sound Factory and opening Terrence C "a night of deep, progressive house" at Movement Movement is located in Kuala Lumpur at: 2, Jalan Bukit Bintang Tel: (+60 3) 294 9488 club Voicemail: 0126833266 Open til 6am Cover Charge : RM 50= $15.00 USD For additional information and future events by Substance Perceptions email: substancepromo@ugsoundmgmt.com, also check out the link on our events page at- http://www.ugsoundmgmt.com/events.shtml We also regret to inform you that Harmony in NYC will be on hiatus for a while......... we'll be sure to keep you posted on it's new night and location! You can also visit thekopproject.com for more information or email: info@thekopproject.com underground sound dj bookings & management company _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_ www.ugsoundmgmt.com ruth@ugsoundmgmt.com --part1_129.19f29d8.2887a0f6_boundary-- From sfraves-return-68997-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 02:53:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35344 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 02:53:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35330 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 02:53:25 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c10ffd$6176c240$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "Martin Randall" Cc: "Mikey Mike" , "Erik W Gilling" , "E A R T H _" , References: <01da01c10fbe$8a97eda0$1ee5fea9@simmee> <3B55E40E.EAC145F7@atc.creative.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:49:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please > Can someone explain the difference between a mk2 and a mk3? > > Also, I'd be interested in recommendations for mixers (I know this > was discussed not too long ago, but can someone summarize?). > Hey Martin, whutup !!! I don't know if theres much for internal changes, but the 1200 mk3 has lke (I believe it's called a ) quarts lock button that basically overrides the pitch control, and defaults the pitch to 0% (or however it's phrased). . . I never used that before though. . . never seen anyone use it either. What kind of mixer did you want? When I first bought a mixer, I wanted one with 3 channels so I could hook up like a keyboard, or another table, or a laptop or something. . . I bought a vestax pmc 270, and I love it except the crossfader curve is more for like trance style mixing, and it doesn't have any booth output level adjustment (or booth outputs). Get something with 3 channels, 3 band eq on each channel, (and depending on how much you want to spend), the c-fader slope/curve adjustment switch or knob, independant kill switches for low-mid-high on each channel. . . booth monitor is important if you need to regulate the booth output (most people like to). Numark has mixers with that infinity crossfader that's spozed to never wear out or degrade. . . Vestax is comiing out with new mid-range mixers to replace the 170, 270, and a couple others, and they're adding crossfader curve adjustments, and some other little things. If I had like $1k to spend, I'd buy a vestax pmc 55. . . it has just everything you could ever need in a mixer (besides effects). Gemini makes some groovie lil inexpensive mixers, and there are some wack lil companies that make cheapo mixers, but you'll end up with like static when you touch your levels, and the crossfader won't fuly cut, and knobs n all will feel goofy and fall off. . . prolly within the first 4-6 mos of use. I'd spend around 500, definately more than 300. Pioneers are cool, but like "played out" sorta. Roland makes good mixers, I think they'd be better suited for like studio use with all sorts of diff contraptions hooked to them, but not as much for like dj mixing, or battling or any of that. If you're going cheap. . . numark has that lil blue mixer. . .uhhh. . . like a DM 2002x, that I've seen lots of people with, they last ok, and they do their job, but aren't especially wonderful. I think theres a chrome version too. That mixers like $150 I think. . . . all sorts of choices out there. . .but why not get something a lil over your head, that'll lasdt you longer, than something that wouldn't quite be what you really really wanted. You'll thank yourself later. take care aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68998-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 03:24:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54235 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 03:24:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54224 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 03:24:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.210.38] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: osby@ratkoonrat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:24:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 03:24:13.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[488DDC00:01C11002] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon > So yeah, Who would you take to a Rave? Famous or not! Wovoka, the "Paiute Messiah" and leader of the Ghost Dance religion in the end days of America's genocide against the Native Americans...i wonder if he'd be happy that people are still dancing in the land which once belonged to his people. --hb and some Sufi dancers... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-68999-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 03:33:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61861 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 03:33:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61797 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 03:33:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [32.102.91.152] From: "Deeze williams" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:32:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 03:32:38.0954 (UTC) FILETIME=[75BFE0A0:01C11003] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users How do you guys like the NEW hotmail look? Kent Ya heard meh! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69000-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 03:36:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66117 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 03:36:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66106 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 03:36:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [172.182.223.78] From: "Sweet DeViL" To: "Deeze williams" , Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:37:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1619 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10FC9.831F6340" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 03:36:25.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCCB1B00:01C11003] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10FC9.831F6340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what new hotmail look? =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Deeze williams Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:35 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users =20 How do you guys like the NEW hotmail look? Kent Ya heard meh! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.as= p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.orgGet more from = the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10FC9.831F6340-- From sfraves-return-69001-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 04:10:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91872 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 04:10:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91860 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 04:10:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bfidget@pop.sfrn.dnai.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:02:26 -0700 To: SF-oasis@topica.com, ambient-mafia@topica.com (AMbeint Mfaia), sfraves@hyperreal.org (the SFR Daily Gazette) From: boomboom@boomerangfidget.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] more cool rave photos more cool rave photos, better photographer this time... http://www.rud-gr.com/Portfoliofolder/dance.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69002-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 04:12:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94104 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 04:12:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94093 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 04:12:00 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bfidget@pop.sfrn.dnai.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:12:56 -0700 To: SF-oasis@topica.com, ambient-mafia@topica.com (AMbeint Mfaia), sfraves@hyperreal.org (the SFR Daily Gazette) From: boomboom@boomerangfidget.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Castlemorton '92 pictures a cool website i found with pictures of Castlemorton in 1992... The English countryside being laid to waste by ravers.... history in the making!!!!! http://www.webm8.co.uk/riddler/castlemorton.htm The saddest thing was, I was in the UK in '92 and had NO CLUE what was going on. It wasn't til a year later back in Baltimore that I caught on. love boom a . m , b ' i ; e : n ` t m . a , f ' i ; a : paradoxically frightening and m e l l o w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69003-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 04:13:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95549 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 04:13:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95535 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 04:13:00 -0000 From: "Sean Kelley" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:10:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <31.17ce6844.28877cb8@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Any Santa Cruz ravers goin to Brainshild? Help.. Ranger needs a ride! I can help pay for gas and stuff too.. :) L8! R. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69004-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 04:27:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4766 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 04:27:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4756 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 04:27:30 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00dc01c1100a$f5b9dac0$0500000a@cryptowhore.org> From: "Nathan Seven" To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , , References: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:26:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Indians Re: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > > So yeah, Who would you take to a Rave? Famous or not! > > Wovoka, the "Paiute Messiah" and leader of the Ghost Dance religion in the > end days of America's genocide against the Native Americans...i wonder if > he'd be happy that people are still dancing in the land which once belonged > to his people. On a semi-related note- I just heard something about people leaving the plains area- Iowa, Kansas etc- In some places the farmers are just leaving their farms and abandoning everything- Apparently Indians are moving back to these pockets of land, and converting it back to the prarie-like land it was originally. -- "Patients that been here since this morning get dismissed" AIM: IMFDUP SMS: four-oh-eight7186290@mobile.att.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69005-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 04:31:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8548 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 04:31:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8538 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 04:31:36 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: , Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:42:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon > > So yeah, Who would you take to a Rave? Famous or not! > Ken Kesey and his Pranksters, along with the Kool Aid. Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69006-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 05:17:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32617 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 05:17:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32596 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 05:17:00 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Buzz" To: , "SF Raves" , Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:15:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Cheeses' Birthday!!!! Well, I'm a little late on these things, but hey, I gotta give a shout-out to Timothy, creator of www.BayAreaRavers.com .Happy Birthday dude! If you see him at any parties, say Happy Birthday... - Buzz buzz@dazedandconfused.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69007-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 05:22:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35572 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 05:22:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35562 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 05:22:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.86.0.139] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: SvveetDevil@hotmail.com, squirtme19@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:21:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 05:21:46.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[B41B0550:01C11012] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users >what new hotmail look? they're apparently beta-testing a new Hotmail interface on some--not all--of their servers during the evening hours...i have multiple Hotmail accounts, so i ran across it. > > How do you guys like the NEW hotmail look? ugly, arbitrary, and even slower to load on my prehistoric 28.8 modem than the old one. feh. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69008-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 05:34:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41787 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 05:34:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41771 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 05:34:26 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.201.33.93] From: "Brandon @ Invibe" To: josh@elysiumusic.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, StocktonRaves@yahoogroups.com, davisraves@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:33:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 05:33:52.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[64F14B90:01C11014] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] [BSP] COLOSSAL MUSIC FESTIVAL 2001, SEPT 15TH >Exclusive Live Preformance By: >Sarina Paris >(www.sarinaparis.com) >Priority/Playland Recording artist Sarina Paris with her debut album >featuring the smash hit singles "Look at Us" and "Just about enough" >Look for her new album to be released in September. Be the first to >hear it at Colossal Music Festival 2001!!! ummm...hmmmm. yeah. ok. cool. hmmm.... ------------- < Brandon > http://www.invibe.com ------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69009-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 07:20:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94302 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 07:20:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94292 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 07:20:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:20:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200107190720.AAA26736@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.27.182.42] From: "Stephanie Bitters" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] COMPRESSION is outta here! Almost a year ago I received a flyer for a drum and bass Sunday called COMPRESSION. Being a newer resident to the Bay area I was excited to have yet another weekly besides Ekelktic, which I was a regular at. I went from being one of the few people who showed up at COMPRESSION every week, to becoming involved in the club, but through this involvement meeting some of my best friends. *tears in my eyes* He he he. Okay here we go... We at COMPRESSION are pleased to announce our move and anniversary --> >August 12th Compression Celebrates it's ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY by moving to >THE CELLAR (685 Sutter @ Taylor) {POOL TABLE, BETTER SOUND SYSTEM, BIGGER, >LOUDER, CLEANER, PRETTIER,........... SAME PRICES!!!! >We give you: SHY FX w/ MC SKIBADEE (with HAVOC, IVRY and tha INTALEKT MC's) >Side room by: Forward-thought, featuring; Dom Some, Enzyme and John-Paul playing breaks & Two Step! >Free catering by BUTTERFLY restaurant. > ONLY $5 (10pm - 2am) We would like to thank all the DJs, MCs, and everyone who has helped us out over the past year. COMPOUND FOOLS, AUDIO ANGEL, PHUNCKATECK/REFLEX, FEMME FATALES, SISTER SF, FREEBEATS, BIMA (PIC SUPPORT), just to name a few of the monkeys. Special thanks to JOHN B. for tearing it up on the decks last week. He was WICKED! BOH! See you this Sunday at the old spot for ABSTRACT - PHUNCKATECK. He's taking charge for Juju who is sipping drinks in the tropics instead of spinning for us. Lol. Hope he having a good time. Stephanie ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69010-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 07:48:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5638 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 07:48:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5627 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 07:48:39 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c11026$a2a7eb80$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "The_List" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:44:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10FEB.F57FA900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] to Electric Jello production people ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10FEB.F57FA900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey hey, whutup. . .=20 did you have the info for your party? Could someone get in contact = with me ? I wanted to ask about a couple things. . .=20 thanks lots n lots : ) aryck ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10FEB.F57FA900-- From sfraves-return-69011-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 08:18:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21765 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 08:18:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21755 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 08:18:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719081802.70828.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: osby@ratkoonrat.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon Osby wrote: >So yeah, Who would you take to a Rave? >Famous or not! Underground or Commercial! Yeah, so I'm going to sound stupid, cheezy, and sentimental for a sec here... But forget the famous... forget the celebrities... What I'd well and truly love to do, would be to get all of my old friends from Florida out here to SF at the same time. Then, I'd take THEM to a rave, and show them the wonderful world I've had the good fortune to have discovered since moving to California. Underground, commercial... it doesn't matter... in the bay area, there will be insanely great people at either. Tho I DO have certian fave local DJs I'd love to have at the first partie I'd take my friends to... (DJ-D, Simon Apex, Melanie, Cloudskipper, Valerie Sparks, Gianni, HK Marty, Paulina Taylor...) cya, john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69012-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 08:57:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43008 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 08:57:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42991 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 08:57:55 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: "Brandon @ Invibe" , josh@elysiumusic.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, StocktonRaves@yahoogroups.com, davisraves@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.1] Message-Id: <20010719085748.A9A0A36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] [BSP] COLOSSAL MUSIC FESTIVAL 2001, SEPT 15TH I like Sabrina Paris!! It's Cute!! The video's kinda too fluffy for my taste, but it's Cute as well! I kinda got the single "Look At Us" when it 1st came out! LoL --- "Brandon @ Invibe" > wrote: >>Exclusive Live Preformance By: >>Sarina Paris >>(www.sarinaparis.com) >>Priority/Playland Recording artist Sarina Paris with her debut album >>featuring the smash hit singles "Look at Us" and "Just about enough" >>Look for her new album to be released in September. Be the first to >>hear it at Colossal Music Festival 2001!!! > > >ummm...hmmmm. yeah. ok. cool. hmmm.... > >------------- >< Brandon > >http://www.invibe.com >------------- > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69013-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 09:08:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47687 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 09:08:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47676 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 09:08:52 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.221] From: "innocentchild" To: ".aryck." , "Martin Randall" Cc: "Mikey Mike" , "Erik W Gilling" , "E A R T H _" , References: <01da01c10fbe$8a97eda0$1ee5fea9@simmee> <3B55E40E.EAC145F7@atc.creative.com> <001701c10ffd$6176c240$1ee5fea9@simmee> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:07:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 09:08:19.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A88F9A0:01C11032] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please If I were to buy a mixer I'd buy a Rane. Expensive but coming from the recording side of things they're the best. Fucking bulletbroof. I'd have to make a tough decision though because the Allen and Heath Xone series is right there with Rane. Pioneer's I like because they have a lot of features, but that damn effect button is EVIL. I can't tell you how much I would love to rip that fucker out of the DJM600 we use at Ascension so the dj's can't press it. oOh flanger is soooo coool. Much like filter fuckers that use photoshop as a toy, effects are abused in music and dj'ing. It would be so nice to not have to hear another cheesy flange or delay effect in a mix that didn't have it already... just had to vent a bit! ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: ".aryck." To: "Martin Randall" Cc: "Mikey Mike" ; "Erik W Gilling" ; "E A R T H _" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please > > > > > > Can someone explain the difference between a mk2 and a mk3? > > > > Also, I'd be interested in recommendations for mixers (I know this > > was discussed not too long ago, but can someone summarize?). > > > > > Hey Martin, whutup !!! > > I don't know if theres much for internal changes, but the 1200 mk3 has > lke (I believe it's called a ) quarts lock button that basically overrides > the pitch control, and defaults the pitch to 0% (or however it's phrased). . > . I never used that before though. . . never seen anyone use it either. > > What kind of mixer did you want? When I first bought a mixer, I wanted > one with 3 channels so I could hook up like a keyboard, or another table, or > a laptop or something. . . I bought a vestax pmc 270, and I love it except > the crossfader curve is more for like trance style mixing, and it doesn't > have any booth output level adjustment (or booth outputs). > > Get something with 3 channels, 3 band eq on each channel, (and depending > on how much you want to spend), the c-fader slope/curve adjustment switch or > knob, independant kill switches for low-mid-high on each channel. . . booth > monitor is important if you need to regulate the booth output (most people > like to). > Numark has mixers with that infinity crossfader that's spozed to never > wear out or degrade. . . Vestax is comiing out with new mid-range mixers to > replace the 170, 270, and a couple others, and they're adding crossfader > curve adjustments, and some other little things. > > If I had like $1k to spend, I'd buy a vestax pmc 55. . . it has just > everything you could ever need in a mixer (besides effects). > > Gemini makes some groovie lil inexpensive mixers, and there are some > wack lil companies that make cheapo mixers, but you'll end up with like > static when you touch your levels, and the crossfader won't fuly cut, and > knobs n all will feel goofy and fall off. . . prolly within the first 4-6 > mos of use. > > I'd spend around 500, definately more than 300. > Pioneers are cool, but like "played out" sorta. > Roland makes good mixers, I think they'd be better suited for like > studio use with all sorts of diff contraptions hooked to them, but not as > much for like dj mixing, or battling or any of that. > > If you're going cheap. . . numark has that lil blue mixer. . .uhhh. . . > like a DM 2002x, that I've seen lots of people with, they last ok, and they > do their job, but aren't especially wonderful. I think theres a chrome > version too. That mixers like $150 I think. > > . . . > > all sorts of choices out there. . .but why not get something a lil over > your head, that'll lasdt you longer, than something that wouldn't quite be > what you really really wanted. You'll thank yourself later. > > take care > > aryck > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69014-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 09:12:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49704 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 09:12:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49694 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 09:12:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719091249.96594.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: kimba Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net To: Stephanie Bitters , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <200107190720.AAA26736@mail8.bigmailbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1489468640-995533969=:96592" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] COMPRESSION is outta here! --0-1489468640-995533969=:96592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice!!!! This should be PHAT-- btw, I had the best time last week when John B played.. off tha hizook!!!! Sunday Sunday Sunday!! -- hit it up folks.. kimba Stephanie Bitters wrote: Almost a year ago I received a flyer for a drum and bass Sunday called COMPRESSION. Being a newer resident to the Bay area I was excited to have yet another weekly besides Ekelktic, which I was a regular at. I went from being one of the few people who showed up at COMPRESSION every week, to becoming involved in the club, but through this involvement meeting some of my best friends. *tears in my eyes* He he he. Okay here we go... We at COMPRESSION are pleased to announce our move and anniversary --> >August 12th Compression Celebrates it's ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY by moving to >THE CELLAR (685 Sutter @ Taylor) {POOL TABLE, BETTER SOUND SYSTEM, BIGGER, >LOUDER, CLEANER, PRETTIER,........... SAME PRICES!!!! >We give you: SHY FX w/ MC SKIBADEE (with HAVOC, IVRY and tha INTALEKT MC's) >Side room by: Forward-thought, featuring; Dom Some, Enzyme and John-Paul playing breaks & Two Step! >Free catering by BUTTERFLY restaurant. > ONLY $5 (10pm - 2am) We would like to thank all the DJs, MCs, and everyone who has helped us out over the past year. COMPOUND FOOLS, AUDIO ANGEL, PHUNCKATECK/REFLEX, FEMME FATALES, SISTER SF, FREEBEATS, BIMA (PIC SUPPORT), just to name a few of the monkeys. Special thanks to JOHN B. for tearing it up on the decks last week. He was WICKED! BOH! See you this Sunday at the old spot for ABSTRACT - PHUNCKATECK. He's taking charge for Juju who is sipping drinks in the tropics instead of spinning for us. Lol. Hope he having a good time. Stephanie ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1489468640-995533969=:96592-- From sfraves-return-69015-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 09:18:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52730 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 09:18:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52720 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 09:18:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.221] From: "innocentchild" To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" , "Deepfog" References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:16:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 09:17:49.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE2FCFB0:01C11033] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ))))))((((((boomerang is back))))))(((((( There is no Ascension tomorrow... We're taking a week off and will be back to bring you Jeno the following week for a 3 hour set. =) ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deepfog" To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: [sfraves] ))))))((((((boomerang is back))))))(((((( > report: > > boomerang fidget successfully retrieved from splashdown at SFO today, > 12 noon pm o'clock. welcome back boomerang! > > see you all at ascension tomorrow night! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69016-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 09:25:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56342 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 09:25:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56328 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 09:25:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:23:00 -0700 From: Erik W Gilling To: ".aryck." Cc: Martin Randall , Mikey Mike , E A R T H _ , sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010719022300.A11981@konkers.net> Reply-To: Erik W Gilling References: <01da01c10fbe$8a97eda0$1ee5fea9@simmee> <3B55E40E.EAC145F7@atc.creative.com> <001701c10ffd$6176c240$1ee5fea9@simmee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <001701c10ffd$6176c240$1ee5fea9@simmee>; from aK@GrooveFactoryPro.com on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 07:49:05PM -0700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] turntables - best price - online/local 4 new decks please On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 07:49:05PM -0700, .aryck. wrote: > I don't know if theres much for internal changes, but the 1200 mk3 has > lke (I believe it's called a ) quarts lock button that basically overrides > the pitch control, and defaults the pitch to 0% (or however it's phrased). . > . I never used that before though. . . never seen anyone use it either. The real advantage to this is that there is no "click" at 0% pitch. If you are beat matching a disc arround 0 on a mk2 it'll click to 0. Most annoying. On the mixer end of things I second Ryan's recomendation of a Rane if you can afford it. Pristine sound and very rugged. As an added bonus the manual comes with schematics and PCB layout (so you can fix it yourself) and diagrams on how to make correctly grounded cables from just about any connector to another. -Erik --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69017-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 09:32:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59969 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 09:32:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59959 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 09:32:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.221] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:31:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0257_01C10FFA.E6FFF7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 09:32:14.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[B18A8180:01C11035] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** ------=_NextPart_000_0257_01C10FFA.E6FFF7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HEADS UP! THERE IS NO ASCENSION TONIGHT. PLEASE DO NOT COME OUT TO BLAKES. We were forced 6 weeks ago to let a group called *psychotica* have one = of our nights by management who thought at the time we weren't able to = pack the place and bring in good dj's. Yes sadly all that matters in a = club owner's eyes is money. We brought in a myriad of great dj's and = crews so that both sides of this event win. We get to hear great music = and have a great night together and Blake's gets the money it wants. So = after proving him wrong with several near sellout nights and a sell out = last week we're still being fucked tonight. The tactics for promoting = last week at our own event by psychotica people were *take the flyer and = if you don't you better have a damn good reason* Hostile and in your = face, these kids haven't done anything for the scene other than try to = steal something that they haven't earned. Merely some LA kids going to = school here. We've busted our asses to make Thursdays a great night for = music in the Eastbay and developed quite a following which is being = handed to an undeserving group.=20 PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT THEM AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS Thank you for all the support recently! Please excuse the anger and = frustration I've expressed and come back out next week when we bring you = a VERY special night of JENO for 3 hours playing in an 18+ environment. = Don't miss out and arrive early as we've had a lot of interest in this = night already and will sell out. Thursday July 26th 2001 :: JENO!! - Wicked SF :: - 3 HOUR SET Tirrell + Alkaline 2x4 18+ - $7 21+ - $5 ryan sfr-planners acme ------=_NextPart_000_0257_01C10FFA.E6FFF7E0-- From sfraves-return-69018-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 09:41:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88727 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 09:41:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88709 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 09:41:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719094119.1293.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:41:19 -0700 (PDT) From: dj m To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Technics Yay rumors I'm pretty sure that the only difference between 1200s and 1210s is that 1210s have a 115/220 voltage switch under the platter and are black (although black 1200s do exist). On M3D's the pitch locks to zero via a button instead of a groove in the pitch fader, they have a hole for an extra cartridge on the surface of the deck, the motor has a *slightly* faster start/stop, the power switch is a bit different (inset and thus harder to accidentally switch off), they come with slipmats & plastics, the dust covers don't have hinges, and I think they MAY have gold-plated jacks. You are most likely to notice the pitch zero lock button, like when you get lifted and accidentally leave it on :) But I don't think there's any difference in quality btw 1200s and 1210s, I have 1210s and they're just as sturdy. And I think they look better :) I've always seen them at the same exact price as 1200s. That store is probably just trying to clear some stock, which you should take advantage of! 1200 specs: http://www.prodcat.panasonic.com/shop/product.asp?sku=SL-1200MK2 1210: http://www.technics.co.uk/ukhome/navigate.asp?MenuItem=2607&NodeType=P 1200M3D: http://www.prodcat.panasonic.com/shop/product.asp?sku=SL-1200M3D BTW other good reliable, knowledgeable stores are djmart.com, turntablelab.com, and 1200s.com (the online face of NYC's D.A.T., where I got my first decks, which were soon thereafter stolen from my car in the East Village - doh!) peace & respect Dave --- nomadicDJ wrote: > I dunno I just heard this but apparently the black > ones (1210's?) are not > made of the same stuff, so they are lighter, a bit > more flimsy, and not as > durable/solid. They also (in my opinionation) don't > look as good. Anyways, > I've only heard all this and can't really verify > that it's true, but if it's > a HUGE difference in price, then i dunno--maybe > its's worth it =) > > .:nomadic:. > > .: dance like no one's watching .:. > www.nomadicDJ.com :. ===== DJ M + FreeBeats Collective + http://freebeats.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69019-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 13:51:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8081 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 13:51:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8060 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 13:51:50 -0000 From: Eternal777@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:51:19 EDT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: djimage@youproductions.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_bb.1135ebc3.28883fd7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] virus: New Virus - warning --part1_bb.1135ebc3.28883fd7_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bb.1135ebc3.28883fd7_alt_boundary" --part1_bb.1135ebc3.28883fd7_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > *** VIRUS WARNING!*** > > If you receive an email entitled "Badtimes," delete it immediately. > Do not open it. > > Apparently this one is pretty nasty. 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*** VIRUS WARNING!***

If you receive an email entitled "Badtimes," delete it immediately.
Do not open it.

Apparently this one is pretty nasty. It will not only erase
everything on your hard drive, but it will also delete anything on disks
within 20 feet of your computer. It demagnetizes the stripes on ALL of your
credit cards. It reprograms your ATM access code, screws up the tracking on
your VCR and uses subspace field harmonics to scratch any CD's you attempt
to play. It will program your phone to auto dial to call only your
mother-in-law's number.

This virus will mix antifreeze into your fish tank. It will drink all
your beer. (For God's sake man, are you listening?) It will leave dirty
socks on the coffee table when you are expecting company. It will replace
your shampoo with Nair and your Nair with Rogaine, all the while dating your
current boy/girlfriend behind your back and billing their hotel rendezvous
to your Visa card. It will rewrite your backup files, changing all your
active verbs to passive tense and incorporating undetectable misspellings
which grossly change the interpretations of key sentences.

If the "Badtimes" message is opened in a Windows 95/98 environment,
it will leave the toilet seat up and leave your hair dryer plugged in
dangerously close to a full bathtub. It will not only remove the
forbidden tags from your mattresses and pillows, it will also refill your
skim milk with whole milk.

**WARN AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN.**

And if you don't send this to 5000 people in 20 seconds you'll fart
so hard that your right leg will spasm, shoot straight out in front of you,
sending sparks, that will ignite onto the person nearest you.




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------=_NextPart_000_51c0_6932_5519 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: iam1sykpup@yahoo.com via web13701.mail.yahoo.com; 18 Jul 2001 12:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Track: 1: 40 Received: from 209.115.238.117 (EHLO tick.javien.com) (209.115.238.117) by mta509.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 12:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by tick.javien.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6IIl7g30211 for virus-outgoing; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:47:07 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: tick.javien.com: majordom set sender to owner-virus@lucifer.com using -f X-Originating-IP: [24.18.128.249] From: "Mermaid ." To: virus@lucifer.com Subject: virus: New Virus - warning Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:46:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 18:46:53.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[0306B730:01C10FBA] Sender: owner-virus@lucifer.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com Content-Length: 1920 *** VIRUS WARNING!*** If you receive an email entitled "Badtimes," delete it immediately. Do not open it. Apparently this one is pretty nasty. It will not only erase everything on your hard drive, but it will also delete anything on disks within 20 feet of your computer. It demagnetizes the stripes on ALL of your credit cards. It reprograms your ATM access code, screws up the tracking on your VCR and uses subspace field harmonics to scratch any CD's you attempt to play. It will program your phone to auto dial to call only your mother-in-law's number. This virus will mix antifreeze into your fish tank. It will drink all your beer. (For God's sake man, are you listening?) It will leave dirty socks on the coffee table when you are expecting company. It will replace your shampoo with Nair and your Nair with Rogaine, all the while dating your current boy/girlfriend behind your back and billing their hotel rendezvous to your Visa card. It will rewrite your backup files, changing all your active verbs to passive tense and incorporating undetectable misspellings which grossly change the interpretations of key sentences. If the "Badtimes" message is opened in a Windows 95/98 environment, it will leave the toilet seat up and leave your hair dryer plugged in dangerously close to a full bathtub. It will not only remove the forbidden tags from your mattresses and pillows, it will also refill your skim milk with whole milk. **WARN AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN.** And if you don't send this to 5000 people in 20 seconds you'll fart so hard that your right leg will spasm, shoot straight out in front of you, sending sparks, that will ignite onto the person nearest you. Send send send send send. [Mermaid]Yea..yea..yea, thank me later...now send..send..send!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_51c0_6932_5519-- --part1_bb.1135ebc3.28883fd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --part1_bb.1135ebc3.28883fd7_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69020-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 14:15:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37370 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 14:15:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37358 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 14:15:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:15:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: sfraves@hyperreal.org cc: raves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <0GGP00KFHZKR9F@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: recibo abril 3 grupero - CAREFUL!! If you receive an e-mail like this, or an e-mail with an attachment that says "I have sent this for your reveiw. Thanks" from someone you do NOT recognize, DON'T OPEN THIS E-MAIL OR ATTACHMENT GUYS! I have a suspicion this is a virus or hoax of some sort. I have received 2 other e-mails similar to this in the past day from e-mail addresses I do NOT recognize either as a friend's or a list member. It is either SPAM or a virus in my eyes and I just wanted to let you guys know. I didn't attach the original letter for fear I would send you the attachment. Love, Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69021-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 15:01:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78448 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 15:01:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78428 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 15:01:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Thu) A limerick packs laughs anatomical Into space that is quite economical. But the good ones I've seen So seldom are clean, And the clean ones so seldom are comical. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69022-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 15:02:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80861 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 15:02:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80851 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 15:02:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.111.184.2] From: "Justin Hale" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:02:12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 15:02:12.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA91BD00:01C11063] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Markie on 3 Decks @ Secret Society Monday! (bsp) This coming Monday, July 23, we've got a very special guest host. It's my birthday party and we're set to rock the place! Come by, say hi, and do a lil booty shakin... -SECRET SOCIETY --CHAPTER XXVII ---JULY 23, 2001 Dropping the Funk on 3 decks for 3 solid hours... MARKIE (Wicked, Grayhound Records) (don't be suprised if he's mixing CDs too!) Special 2x4 Birthday Set: MARK SILVA (m.o.u.s.e.) vs. JUSTIN HALE (secret society) Resident Support: MICHAEL LIU ANDYW *vip room for ss members* Visual Stimulation: Terry@Viberation Additional Sound Treatment: Brad@305 Sound & Neuroscience Located Every Monday Night @ Club Savoy 3546 Flora Vista Avenue, Santa Clara Infoline --> 408.278.5211 See you on the dancefloor... Justin Hale The Secret Society continues in Loving Memory of it's founder, Chris "Laffy" Taflanidis. We miss you Chris. esct. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69023-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 15:09:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93610 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 15:09:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93600 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 15:09:52 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.111.184.2] From: "Justin Hale" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:09:24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 15:09:25.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC20F310:01C11064] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] oops.. Markie on 3 Decks @ Secret Society Monday! (bsp) sorry.. it is 21+ i also forgot to mention it's FREE! silly me. > >This coming Monday, July 23, we've got a very special guest host. >It's my birthday party and we're set to rock the place! >Come by, say hi, and do a lil booty shakin... > >-SECRET SOCIETY >--CHAPTER XXVII >---JULY 23, 2001 > >Dropping the Funk >on 3 decks for 3 solid hours... > >MARKIE (Wicked, Grayhound Records) > (don't be suprised if he's mixing CDs too!) > >Special 2x4 Birthday Set: >MARK SILVA (m.o.u.s.e.) vs. >JUSTIN HALE (secret society) > >Resident Support: >MICHAEL LIU >ANDYW > >*vip room for ss members* > >Visual Stimulation: >Terry@Viberation > >Additional Sound Treatment: >Brad@305 Sound & Neuroscience > >Located Every Monday Night @ Club Savoy >3546 Flora Vista Avenue, Santa Clara > >Infoline --> 408.278.5211 > >See you on the dancefloor... > >Justin Hale > > >The Secret Society continues in Loving Memory >of it's founder, Chris "Laffy" Taflanidis. >We miss you Chris. >esct. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69024-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 16:11:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60909 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 16:11:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60849 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 16:11:30 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B57070C.F9F928EC@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:13:00 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: innocentchild , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** hmmmm... i know the guys who are putting psychotia on tonite..and i don't necessar= ily think they should be classified as 'kids haven't done anything for th= e scene other than try to steal something that they haven't earned'... don't get me wrong, i'm not taking sides at all..i've met dave and talked= to him for a while at ascension and had a class with him briefly last se= mester and he was totally cool... i can see how there is some competition between these two crews and that = acme has definetley been around much longer..but i don't think its cool t= o try to turn people away from what another crew is trying to do. i've b= een to ascenison quite a few times adn had a great tiime (fuck yeah i'll = be there for jeno!!!) all i'm trying to say is that i know the guys from psychotia and ur mail = made them seem like assholes and they're not. i also think that is kinda= shady promoting to try to talk people out of checking out another crew's event...these are kids (at= least the ones i know) who love the music and just wanna see what they c= an do...probly the same type of energy that dave had when he started ascension as you said acme has its own solid following now..and i for one think it = would be pretty cool if something could be worked out so that there were = two club nites at blakes.. i may be totally wrong, but from what i remember ascensions lineups don't= usually stress jungle, while psychotias mains DJs (megatron and Dos toni= te i think) spin jungle... so maybe hte whole thing can work out.....competition is good right? just my 2cents nima innocentchild wrote: > HEADS UP! > > THERE IS NO ASCENSION TONIGHT. PLEASE DO NOT COME OUT TO BLAKES. > > We were forced 6 weeks ago to let a group called *psychotica* have one = of our nights by management who thought at the time we weren't able to pa= ck the place and bring in good dj's. Yes sadly all that matters in a club= owner's eyes is money. We brought in a myriad of great dj's and crews so= that both sides of this event win. We get to hear great music and have a= great night together and Blake's gets the money it wants. So after provi= ng him wrong with several near sellout nights and a sell out last week we= 're still being fucked tonight. The tactics for promoting last week at ou= r own event by psychotica people were *take the flyer and if you don't yo= u better have a damn good reason* Hostile and in your face, these kids ha= ven't done anything for the scene other than try to steal something that = they haven't earned. Merely some LA kids going to school here. We've bust= ed our asses to make Thursdays a great night for music in the Eastbay and= developed quite a following which is being handed > to an undeserving group. > > PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT THEM AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS > > Thank you for all the support recently! Please excuse the anger and fru= stration I've expressed and come back out next week when we bring you a V= ERY special night of JENO for 3 hours playing in an 18+ environment. Don'= t miss out and arrive early as we've had a lot of interest in this night = already and will sell out. > > Thursday July 26th 2001 > > :: JENO!! - Wicked SF :: - 3 HOUR SET > > Tirrell + Alkaline 2x4 > > 18+ - $7 > 21+ - $5 > > ryan > sfr-planners > acme --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69025-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 16:26:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74664 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 16:26:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74653 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 16:26:56 -0000 From: "G Sauce" To: "knowmad AE" , Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:31:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010718204655.392.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr i think geri is learning to defend herself from men. i think she wants to go north to defend the seals from the men that she was talking about in one of her recent posts. She is going to bite them in the adams apple :) ~plur~ -----Original Message----- From: knowmad AE [mailto:knowmadae@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:47 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] more self defense tips nrr your advice is a tad sexist, what if it is a woman that comes up behind you? --- Geri Dahl wrote: > so anyway, when someone grabs you from behind, you > could always smash your head into his face, and then > grab > his testicles, squeeze as hard as you can then run > like hell! :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69026-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 16:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80745 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 16:30:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80718 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 16:30:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719163049.91926.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Nima Mirzad , innocentchild , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3B57070C.F9F928EC@uclink4.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-478018299-995560249=:91868" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** --0-478018299-995560249=:91868 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've worked at Blake's and I know the management/owners, they are not exactly the type to do anything for the "scene", and like Ryan said, they pretty much are running a restaurant/nightclub and see each night as nothing more than a night for profit. I'm not exactly sure if they grasp the concept of a "weekly" event, and that the numbers can vary from week to week. I guess that's the sorta situation you must deal with that type of establishment. They are running a business-business, not a raver business :P Jess Nima Mirzad wrote: hmmmm... i know the guys who are putting psychotia on tonite..and i don't necessarily think they should be classified as 'kids haven't done anything for the scene other than try to steal something that they haven't earned'... don't get me wrong, i'm not taking sides at all..i've met dave and talked to him for a while at ascension and had a class with him briefly last semester and he was totally cool... i can see how there is some competition between these two crews and that acme has definetley been around much longer..but i don't think its cool to try to turn people away from what another crew is trying to do. i've been to ascenison quite a few times adn had a great tiime (fuck yeah i'll be there for jeno!!!) all i'm trying to say is that i know the guys from psychotia and ur mail made them seem like assholes and they're not. i also think that is kinda shady promoting to try to talk people out of checking out another crew's event...these are kids (at least the ones i know) who love the music and just wanna see what they can do...probly the same type of energy that dave had when he started ascension as you said acme has its own solid following now..and i for one think it would be pretty cool if something could be worked out so that there were two club nites at blakes.. i may be totally wrong, but from what i remember ascensions lineups don't usually stress jungle, while psychotias mains DJs (megatron and Dos tonite i think) spin jungle... so maybe hte whole thing can work out.....competition is good right? just my 2cents nima innocentchild wrote: > HEADS UP! > > THERE IS NO ASCENSION TONIGHT. PLEASE DO NOT COME OUT TO BLAKES. > > We were forced 6 weeks ago to let a group called *psychotica* have one of our nights by management who thought at the time we weren't able to pack the place and bring in good dj's. Yes sadly all that matters in a club owner's eyes is money. We brought in a myriad of great dj's and crews so that both sides of this event win. We get to hear great music and have a great night together and Blake's gets the money it wants. So after proving him wrong with several near sellout nights and a sell out last week we're still being fucked tonight. The tactics for promoting last week at our own event by psychotica people were *take the flyer and if you don't you better have a damn good reason* Hostile and in your face, these kids haven't done anything for the scene other than try to steal something that they haven't earned. Merely some LA kids going to school here. We've busted our asses to make Thursdays a great night for music in the Eastbay and developed quite a following which is being handed > to an undeserving group. > > PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT THEM AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS > > Thank you for all the support recently! Please excuse the anger and frustration I've expressed and come back out next week when we bring you a VERY special night of JENO for 3 hours playing in an 18+ environment. Don't miss out and arrive early as we've had a lot of interest in this night already and will sell out. > > Thursday July 26th 2001 > > :: JENO!! - Wicked SF :: - 3 HOUR SET > > Tirrell + Alkaline 2x4 > > 18+ - $7 > 21+ - $5 > > ryan > sfr-planners > acme --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-478018299-995560249=:91868-- From sfraves-return-69027-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 16:42:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98616 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 16:42:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98599 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 16:42:18 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010719093856.00b9ad40@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:43:02 -0700 To: Nima Mirzad , innocentchild ,sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <3B57070C.F9F928EC@uclink4.berkeley.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** competition is what makes good products. Don't believe me? Microsoft crushed all of it's competition, to maximize profit.. and even after being convicted of monopolostic practices, they STILL can't write a decent product. I think it is HELLA shady for Ryan to tell people not to go. What, are you afraid that these upstarts from LA are going to do a better job than you? If you're working your ass off, you shouldn't be so worried. sarilion At 09:13 AM 7/19/2001 -0700, Nima Mirzad wrote: >hmmmm... >i know the guys who are putting psychotia on tonite..and i don't >necessarily think they should be classified as 'kids haven't done anything >for the scene other than try to steal something that they haven't earned'... >don't get me wrong, i'm not taking sides at all..i've met dave and talked >to him for a while at ascension and had a class with him briefly last >semester and he was totally cool... >i can see how there is some competition between these two crews and that >acme has definetley been around much longer..but i don't think its cool to >try to turn people away from what another crew is trying to do. i've been >to ascenison quite a few times adn had a great tiime (fuck yeah i'll be >there for jeno!!!) >all i'm trying to say is that i know the guys from psychotia and ur mail >made them seem like assholes and they're not. i also think that is kinda >shady promoting to try to >talk people out of checking out another crew's event...these are kids (at >least the ones i know) who love the music and just wanna see what they >can do...probly >the same type of energy that dave had when he started ascension >as you said acme has its own solid following now..and i for one think it >would be pretty cool if something could be worked out so that there were >two club nites at blakes.. >i may be totally wrong, but from what i remember ascensions lineups don't >usually stress jungle, while psychotias mains DJs (megatron and Dos tonite >i think) spin jungle... >so maybe hte whole thing can work out.....competition is good right? > >just my 2cents > >nima > > > >innocentchild wrote: > > > HEADS UP! > > > > THERE IS NO ASCENSION TONIGHT. PLEASE DO NOT COME OUT TO BLAKES. > > > > We were forced 6 weeks ago to let a group called *psychotica* have one > of our nights by management who thought at the time we weren't able to > pack the place and bring in good dj's. Yes sadly all that matters in a > club owner's eyes is money. We brought in a myriad of great dj's and > crews so that both sides of this event win. We get to hear great music > and have a great night together and Blake's gets the money it wants. So > after proving him wrong with several near sellout nights and a sell out > last week we're still being fucked tonight. The tactics for promoting > last week at our own event by psychotica people were *take the flyer and > if you don't you better have a damn good reason* Hostile and in your > face, these kids haven't done anything for the scene other than try to > steal something that they haven't earned. Merely some LA kids going to > school here. We've busted our asses to make Thursdays a great night for > music in the Eastbay and developed quite a following which is being handed > > to an undeserving group. > > > > PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT THEM AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS > > > > Thank you for all the support recently! Please excuse the anger and > frustration I've expressed and come back out next week when we bring you > a VERY special night of JENO for 3 hours playing in an 18+ environment. > Don't miss out and arrive early as we've had a lot of interest in this > night already and will sell out. > > > > Thursday July 26th 2001 > > > > :: JENO!! - Wicked SF :: - 3 HOUR SET > > > > Tirrell + Alkaline 2x4 > > > > 18+ - $7 > > 21+ - $5 > > > > ryan > > sfr-planners > > acme > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69028-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 16:48:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5686 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 16:48:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5667 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 16:48:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c11070$79f58680$0206a8c0@josh> From: "Josh.Illion" To: "sfraves" , "sacraves" , , Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:32:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C11035.CC46FD00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [BSP] Beatific : Friday, September 21 : SF ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C11035.CC46FD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Elysium Music Presents... BEATIFIC=20 Friday, September 21 2001 Featuring Your Beloved Local Elysium Music DJ's Dean Kroh, Temp:o, Headcase, Chuck G... plus!!! A VERY RARE APPEARANCE BY 2 OF ELYSIUM MUSIC INTERNATIONAL's BELOVED OUT = OF COUNTRY DJ's=20 Lee Foster (England, UK) Emotion (Calgary, Canada) 21 and up, $10 gains access 8:00PM - 2:00AM club SIX 60 Sixth Street, San Francisco=20 http://www.clubsix1.com :: http://www.elysiumusic.com Josh Illion - josh@elysiumusic.com Executive Producer/Artist Management Elysium Music International http://www.elysiumusic.com Telephone/Fax: 1.877.504.2887 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C11035.CC46FD00-- From sfraves-return-69029-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 17:28:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58410 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 17:28:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58400 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 17:28:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.101.106] From: "Crazy Fox" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:28:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 17:28:22.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[3598C990:01C11078] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (NRR) Looking for support/engineering job Could you please help me out? I'm looking for employment in the Bay Area... South Bay preferred but I'll consider anything. I've done high-level tech support, field engineer, network operations... I'll do I.T. or move-team if I have to :) I'm totally prepared to wear a tie five days out of the week, if I have to... no visible piercings, professional-looking, flexible with dress codes. Even if the place you're working at is raver UNfriendly, let me know. My resume is at http://resumes.dice.com/9456 and I can be reached at this email or the one in my resume. Feel free to pass this around! thanks so much! raverfox@hotmail.com aim: raverfoxy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69030-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 17:42:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75056 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 17:42:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75046 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 17:42:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719174212.49177.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: das To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, killasubz@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] killasubz thanks........ hey everybody, thanks for coming out and supporting once again. it's always a pleasure to see you guys. next week we've got flux from compound records and seraphim playing for us along with proxy and know1. see you next week. p.s stay tuned for a collaboration between illumination and urbanassault on aug. 5th. this will be a daytime bar-b-q featuring dj's from both collectives. check the urbanassault website for more information. ===== aim: dasthedj icq: 101064644 killasubz/urbanassault/lucid productions http://www.urbanassault.org http://www.killasubz.com http://djdas.djcentral.com http://www.junglist.com/profiles/das/ southbay ghetto bass : forward thinking culture __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69031-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 17:48:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87695 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 17:48:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87685 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 17:48:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719174808.8301.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: dj m To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: COMPRESSION is outta here! Congrats Ian, Carlo, Stephanie, and all the Compression crew for making this happen .. for those that don't know, you're late!!! ------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:20:22 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "Stephanie Bitters" Subject: COMPRESSION is outta here! Message-Id: <200107190720.AAA26736@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Almost a year ago I received a flyer for a drum and bass Sunday called COMPRESSION. Being a newer resident to the Bay area I was excited to have yet another weekly besides Ekelktic, which I was a regular at. I went from being one of the few people who showed up at COMPRESSION every week, to becoming involved in the club, but through this involvement meeting some of my best friends. *tears in my eyes* He he he. Okay here we go... We at COMPRESSION are pleased to announce our move and anniversary --> >August 12th Compression Celebrates it's ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY by moving to >THE CELLAR (685 Sutter @ Taylor) {POOL TABLE, BETTER SOUND SYSTEM, BIGGER, >LOUDER, CLEANER, PRETTIER,........... SAME PRICES!!!! >We give you: SHY FX w/ MC SKIBADEE (with HAVOC, IVRY and tha INTALEKT MC's) >Side room by: Forward-thought, featuring; Dom Some, Enzyme and John-Paul playing breaks & Two Step! >Free catering by BUTTERFLY restaurant. > ONLY $5 (10pm - 2am) We would like to thank all the DJs, MCs, and everyone who has helped us out over the past year. COMPOUND FOOLS, AUDIO ANGEL, PHUNCKATECK/REFLEX, FEMME FATALES, SISTER SF, FREEBEATS, BIMA (PIC SUPPORT), just to name a few of the monkeys. Special thanks to JOHN B. for tearing it up on the decks last week. He was WICKED! BOH! See you this Sunday at the old spot for ABSTRACT - PHUNCKATECK. He's taking charge for Juju who is sipping drinks in the tropics instead of spinning for us. Lol. Hope he having a good time. Stephanie ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com ===== DJ M + FreeBeats Collective + http://freebeats.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69032-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 17:49:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91543 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 17:49:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91477 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 17:49:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:47:20 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B571D28.2663AC5D@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ANTHEM - TONIGHT!!! bsp [Area 51 Pre-party - Gift @ door with Area 51 Pre-sale ticket] A~N~T~H~E~M Thursday July 19th!!! Feel Good Resident Showcase... DJ's In The 'House'!!! Ian Lewis, Kendra French, DJ Durben & Richard Summerhayes. The SubLevel aka Maritime Underground (Check out the new club remodeling and renovations) 375 1st St. @ Harrison St. San Francisco 18+ with valid ID 9pm – 2am. $5 Before 10pm / $10 After. VIP 21+ FUBAR Hosted By The luscious ladies of Feel Good :)~~ Anthem Club Line: 650-568-1338 Buzz-Line: 650-569-3300 http://www.globalparty.com Keep it Real Good With Feel Good --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69033-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 18:16:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39871 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 18:15:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39858 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 18:15:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:15:55 -0700 Message-Id: <200107191815.LAA15846@mail20.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [63.201.57.44] From: "*madhvi *" To: fuzzybunnies@yahoogroups.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [sflnc] URGENT ! Dancehall Keeper at Monday's Board of Supervisor meeting!!]] > > >> sflnc@topica.com Leslie Ayres [sflnc] Dancehall Keeper at Monday's Board of Supervisor meeting!!Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:49:38 +0000 >>Reply-To: leslie.ayres@sflnc.com >> >>The legislation to remove the archaic Dancehall Keeper permit has been >>accelerated, and rather than going back to committee on Tuesday, it will >>be heard by the entire Board of Supervisor's next Monday, July 23rd. >> >>It is time to raise the voice of nightlife to the Board, and let them >>know how many citizens and members of the late-night community support >>taking our city into the 21st century by getting rid of obsolete laws >>and at the same time addressing the concerns of neighbors. >> >>SO GET THOSE E-MAILS AND FAXES GOING! >> >>District 6 Supervisor Chris Daly's legislation will remove the Dancehall >>Keepers permit from San Francisco's Police code, while strengthening >>other residential protections by increasing the public notification >>component of the Public Assembly permit. This legislation addresses >>resident concerns over potential neighborhood impacts while removing a >>duplicative and outdated law which has been used in other cities to >>repress and permanently close popular music venues. >> >>We belive that this is a great step in creating more reasonable >>legislation that balances the priorities of businesses and their >>customers and still includes neighborhoods in decision processes. >> >>Please take the time to email, write and fax the following members of >>the Board and urge them to support the Dancehall Keepers legislation. If >>you email, please print the email out and fax it also. >> >>It is crucial the following Supervisors hear from the community on this >>issue (note: Supervisor Gavin Newsom is not included in the list because >>he is excused from the vote because of conflict of interest): >> >>Tom Ammiano - District 9 >>City Hall >>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244 >>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >>(415) 554-5144 - voice >>(415) 554-6255 - fax >>tom_ammiano@ci.sf.ca.us >> >>Aaron Peskin - District 3 >>City Hall >>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244 >>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >>(415) 554-7450 - voice >>(415) 554-7454 - fax >>Aaron_Peskin@ci.sf.ca.us >> >>Matt Gonzalez - District 5 >>City Hall >>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244 >>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >>(415) 554-7630 - voice >>(415) 554-7634 - fax >>Matt_Gonzalez@ci.sf.ca.us >> >>Mark Leno - District 8 >>City Hall >>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244 >>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >>(415) 554-7734 - voice >>(415) 554-7739 - fax >>Mark_Leno@ci.sf.ca.us >> >>Sophie Maxwell - District 10 >>City Hall >>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244 >>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >>(415) 554-7670 - voice >>(415) 554-7674 - fax >>Sophie_Maxwell@ci.sf.ca.us >> >>Gerardo Sandoval - District 11 >>City Hall >>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244 >>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >>(415) 554-6975 - voice >>(415) 554-6979 - fax >>Gerardo_Sandoval@ci.sf.ca.us >> >>Tony Hall - District 7 >>City Hall >>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244 >>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >>(415) 554-6516 - voice >>(415) 554-6546 - fax >>Tony_Hall@ci.sf.ca.us >> >>Leland Yee - District 4 >>City Hall >>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place , Room 244 >>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >>(415) 554-7752 - voice >>(415) 554-7751 - fax >>Leland_Yee@ci.sf.ca.us >> >>Jake McGoldrick - District 1 >>City Hall >>1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244 >>San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 >>(415) 554-7410 - voice >>(415) 554-7415 - fax >>Jake_McGoldrick@ci.sf.ca.us >> >> >>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >>san francisco late night coalition >> >>working together to >>save san francisco nightlife! >> >>visit our website at www.sflnc.com to donate and read the latest news! >> >>-- >>join our list by sending an email message to sflnc-subscribe@topica.com >>to be removed from this list, send an email to sflnc-unsubscribe@topica.com >>you may also receive this email in digest form by signing up at topica.com and setting your preferences accordingly. >>http://www.sflnc.com >> >>==^================================================================ >>EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8PJJ.bAq4RI >>Or send an email To: sflnc-unsubscribe@topica.com >>This email was sent to: maenad@housemusic.com >> >>T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! >>http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register >>==^================================================================ > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >House music all night long... >http://www.housemusic.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Everything starts with an E. http://www.bluelight.nu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69034-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 18:26:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56354 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 18:26:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56305 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 18:26:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719182627.87199.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: innocentchild , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** you guys are a bunch of fucking pussies. how are you gonna talk shit about a group of junglists like megatron and daas when the shit they play actually makes people get up and dance not like that fruity fuckin bouncy happy house. dont talk shit about people from LA. LA niggaz rule the world. --- innocentchild wrote: > HEADS UP! > > THERE IS NO ASCENSION TONIGHT. PLEASE DO NOT COME > OUT TO BLAKES. > > We were forced 6 weeks ago to let a group called > *psychotica* have one of our nights by management > who thought at the time we weren't able to pack the > place and bring in good dj's. Yes sadly all that > matters in a club owner's eyes is money. We brought > in a myriad of great dj's and crews so that both > sides of this event win. We get to hear great music > and have a great night together and Blake's gets the > money it wants. So after proving him wrong with > several near sellout nights and a sell out last week > we're still being fucked tonight. The tactics for > promoting last week at our own event by psychotica > people were *take the flyer and if you don't you > better have a damn good reason* Hostile and in your > face, these kids haven't done anything for the scene > other than try to steal something that they haven't > earned. Merely some LA kids going to school here. > We've busted our asses to make Thursdays a great > night for music in the Eastbay and developed quite a > following which is being handed to an undeserving > group. > > PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT THEM AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS > > Thank you for all the support recently! Please > excuse the anger and frustration I've expressed and > come back out next week when we bring you a VERY > special night of JENO for 3 hours playing in an 18+ > environment. Don't miss out and arrive early as > we've had a lot of interest in this night already > and will sell out. > > Thursday July 26th 2001 > > :: JENO!! - Wicked SF :: - 3 HOUR SET > > Tirrell + Alkaline 2x4 > > 18+ - $7 > 21+ - $5 > > > ryan > sfr-planners > acme > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69035-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 18:37:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71238 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 18:37:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71228 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 18:37:41 -0000 X-Authentication-Warning: gabber.ez-e.net: Host zengine-gw2.customer.alter.net [157.130.208.226] (may be forged) claimed to be drghetto.com Message-ID: <3B572A89.1080907@drghetto.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:44:25 -0700 From: John Vicondoa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2+) Gecko/20010718 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dank smoker CC: innocentchild , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010719182627.87199.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** Damn, I didnt know that Megatron spun happy house... because I do recall seeing him spin jungle at Ascension a couple of months ago. So what if they play 'happy house'? At least the place isnt full of stupid closed-minded junglists like yourself ;) -jv dank smoker wrote: >you guys are a bunch of fucking pussies. how are you >gonna talk shit about a group of junglists like >megatron and daas when the shit they play actually >makes people get up and dance not like that fruity >fuckin bouncy happy house. dont talk shit about people >from LA. LA niggaz rule the world. >--- innocentchild wrote: > >>HEADS UP! >> >>THERE IS NO ASCENSION TONIGHT. PLEASE DO NOT COME >>OUT TO BLAKES. >> >>We were forced 6 weeks ago to let a group called >>*psychotica* have one of our nights by management >>who thought at the time we weren't able to pack the >>place and bring in good dj's. Yes sadly all that >>matters in a club owner's eyes is money. We brought >>in a myriad of great dj's and crews so that both >>sides of this event win. We get to hear great music >>and have a great night together and Blake's gets the >>money it wants. So after proving him wrong with >>several near sellout nights and a sell out last week >>we're still being fucked tonight. The tactics for >>promoting last week at our own event by psychotica >>people were *take the flyer and if you don't you >>better have a damn good reason* Hostile and in your >>face, these kids haven't done anything for the scene >>other than try to steal something that they haven't >>earned. Merely some LA kids going to school here. >>We've busted our asses to make Thursdays a great >>night for music in the Eastbay and developed quite a >>following which is being handed to an undeserving >>group. >> >>PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT THEM AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS >> >>Thank you for all the support recently! Please >>excuse the anger and frustration I've expressed and >>come back out next week when we bring you a VERY >>special night of JENO for 3 hours playing in an 18+ >>environment. Don't miss out and arrive early as >>we've had a lot of interest in this night already >>and will sell out. >> >>Thursday July 26th 2001 >> >>:: JENO!! - Wicked SF :: - 3 HOUR SET >> >>Tirrell + Alkaline 2x4 >> >>18+ - $7 >>21+ - $5 >> >> >>ryan >>sfr-planners >>acme >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -- -johnv http://drghetto.com e:jvicondoa@yahoo.com aim:BONETO icq:505351 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69036-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 18:39:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73351 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 18:39:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73266 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 18:39:06 -0000 Message-ID: <007001c11081$80cf9d40$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "Nima Mirzad" , "innocentchild" , , "Raver" References: <4.3.1.0.20010719093856.00b9ad40@qix.netcorps.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:34:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** mmm, going to blakes kinda reminds me of like going to "Porky's" like in the movie with peewee and meat, and the oogie oogie woogie guy. . . I think theres a guy there that kinda looks like Porky. . . I don't like how some venues take advantage of crews and flip things around making it seem like the crew is more dependant on the venue, than the venue is of the crew . : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69037-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 18:40:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77023 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 18:40:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77013 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 18:40:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719184008.58930.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: John Vicondoa Cc: innocentchild , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3B572A89.1080907@drghetto.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** yeah but now i can take a bong rip and go to blakes on a thursday night and listen to jungle...and all the happy househeads will be stuck at home jerking each other off after taking their thursday night special pills. --- John Vicondoa wrote: > Damn, I didnt know that Megatron spun happy house... > because I do recall > seeing him spin jungle at Ascension a couple of > months ago. So what if > they play 'happy house'? At least the place isnt > full of stupid > closed-minded junglists like yourself ;) > > -jv > > dank smoker wrote: > > >you guys are a bunch of fucking pussies. how are > you > >gonna talk shit about a group of junglists like > >megatron and daas when the shit they play actually > >makes people get up and dance not like that fruity > >fuckin bouncy happy house. dont talk shit about > people > >from LA. LA niggaz rule the world. > >--- innocentchild > wrote: > > > >>HEADS UP! > >> > >>THERE IS NO ASCENSION TONIGHT. PLEASE DO NOT COME > >>OUT TO BLAKES. > >> > >>We were forced 6 weeks ago to let a group called > >>*psychotica* have one of our nights by management > >>who thought at the time we weren't able to pack > the > >>place and bring in good dj's. Yes sadly all that > >>matters in a club owner's eyes is money. We > brought > >>in a myriad of great dj's and crews so that both > >>sides of this event win. We get to hear great > music > >>and have a great night together and Blake's gets > the > >>money it wants. So after proving him wrong with > >>several near sellout nights and a sell out last > week > >>we're still being fucked tonight. The tactics for > >>promoting last week at our own event by psychotica > >>people were *take the flyer and if you don't you > >>better have a damn good reason* Hostile and in > your > >>face, these kids haven't done anything for the > scene > >>other than try to steal something that they > haven't > >>earned. Merely some LA kids going to school here. > >>We've busted our asses to make Thursdays a great > >>night for music in the Eastbay and developed quite > a > >>following which is being handed to an undeserving > >>group. > >> > >>PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT THEM AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS > >> > >>Thank you for all the support recently! Please > >>excuse the anger and frustration I've expressed > and > >>come back out next week when we bring you a VERY > >>special night of JENO for 3 hours playing in an > 18+ > >>environment. Don't miss out and arrive early as > >>we've had a lot of interest in this night already > >>and will sell out. > >> > >>Thursday July 26th 2001 > >> > >>:: JENO!! - Wicked SF :: - 3 HOUR SET > >> > >>Tirrell + Alkaline 2x4 > >> > >>18+ - $7 > >>21+ - $5 > >> > >> > >>ryan > >>sfr-planners > >>acme > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- > -johnv > http://drghetto.com > > e:jvicondoa@yahoo.com > aim:BONETO icq:505351 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69038-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 18:52:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99493 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 18:52:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99483 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 18:52:57 -0000 Message-ID: <00ab01c11083$701b92e0$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "dank smoker" , "innocentchild" , References: <20010719182627.87199.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:48:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** > you guys are a bunch of fucking pussies. how are you > gonna talk shit about a group of junglists like > megatron and daas when the shit they play actually > makes people get up and dance not like that fruity > fuckin bouncy happy house. dont talk shit about people > from LA. LA niggaz rule the world. That's not too plurry. . . gee gollie you meanie you. . . hehe. . . I'm kinda on both sides. I don;t think the intent of the little comments made by innocentchild were directed at megga or dos. . . I think his point was more (even thoug it was stated in a somewhat edgy way), that Ascension's kind of built up a clientele at blakes that are used to going there on a specific nite. And most people (like blakes regulars) relate more to the day, than the party name or dj's playing, so if they showed up on the same day unknowingly they would just think that something changed, but didn't really know what. I don't support like harsh words, or the competition dealie. . . I'm a firm believer of that freinds close, and enemies closer thing (even though I really have no enemies, just diffirent levels of friends). Working together usually just multiplies the awesomeness that can be created by either group. and I don't mind fluffy house, foo foo trance is a lil diffirent, and d&b's fuckin dope (I spin some d&b with hardcore/happycore). I really don't see much competition, just more trays on the buffet table for the week y'know. . . a lil of each. . . kay ??? so don't be mean now hug n make up ! thereya go now. . . : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69039-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 19:30:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55800 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 19:30:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55774 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 19:30:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.20.56.38] From: "Macadio G." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:30:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 19:30:16.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CEE03C0:01C11089] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SADE concert review WOW!!, What can I say awesome concert for those of you that were there you know what im talking about.. The band solo about 20 min into the concert was awesome and the sultry seductive voice and moves of SADE just had me going.. Her songs sounded better live in then on most of the Records I have of hers.. And also the debut of her King of sorrow video which I had never seen before since I don't watch Mindless Television oppps My bad I mean MTV.. Nice use of the lighting as well. Overall nice show just way to packed it was at capacity the whole time. That part was not to fun but what do you expect from a fablous artist that takes an 8 year break then comes back even stronger then before she left.. Peace, Macadio _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69040-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 19:34:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60437 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 19:34:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60406 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 19:34:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719193449.99214.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] mailing lists and women nrr you are under no obligation to begin relations of ANY kind with anyone you don't want to over the internet... you are under no obligation to explain yourself to a stranger or even to a potential new friend for that matter... you are not obligated to purchase anything that you don't want to, and you do not have to be nice even if someone is being nice to you...you do have the right to be respected...being on the internet is the exact same thing as going to the store or walking down a busy street...you can be silent if you want to, or you may take up space. have a good day. please enjoy yourself here on our list, and out at our parties. you have my support and the support of many. we need for you to be here. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69041-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 19:36:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64994 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 19:36:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64965 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 19:36:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719193631.32600.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: ".aryck." , innocentchild , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <00ab01c11083$701b92e0$1ee5fea9@simmee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** wow theres actually one other person on this planet that attempts to mix hardcore with jungle. --- ".aryck." wrote: > > > > > you guys are a bunch of fucking pussies. how are > you > > gonna talk shit about a group of junglists like > > megatron and daas when the shit they play actually > > makes people get up and dance not like that fruity > > fuckin bouncy happy house. dont talk shit about > people > > from LA. LA niggaz rule the world. > > > That's not too plurry. . . gee gollie you meanie > you. . . > > hehe. . . > > I'm kinda on both sides. I don;t think the > intent of the little > comments made by innocentchild were directed at > megga or dos. . . > > I think his point was more (even thoug it was > stated in a somewhat edgy > way), that Ascension's kind of built up a clientele > at blakes that are used > to going there on a specific nite. And most people > (like blakes regulars) > relate more to the day, than the party name or dj's > playing, so if they > showed up on the same day unknowingly they would > just think that something > changed, but didn't really know what. > > I don't support like harsh words, or the > competition dealie. . . I'm a > firm believer of that freinds close, and enemies > closer thing (even though I > really have no enemies, just diffirent levels of > friends). Working together > usually just multiplies the awesomeness that can be > created by either group. > > and I don't mind fluffy house, foo foo trance is > a lil diffirent, and > d&b's fuckin dope (I spin some d&b with > hardcore/happycore). I really don't > see much competition, just more trays on the buffet > table for the week > y'know. . . a lil of each. . . > > kay ??? so don't be mean > > now hug n make up ! > > thereya go now. . . > > : ) > > aryck > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69042-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 19:40:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70895 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 19:40:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70850 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 19:40:27 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B5737FC.6E7FE8D8@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:41:48 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ".aryck." CC: dank smoker , innocentchild , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010719182627.87199.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> <00ab01c11083$701b92e0$1ee5fea9@simmee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** I'm not quite sure but i think we're saying the same thing.... i think it would be great if there were multiple nites.. is the basement of blakes used any nites besides ascension? maybe some of the other local businesses would be down to follow the model of blakes&ascension there are only two quality clubs in the east bay as i know it.. mad hatter and ascension and even mad hatter is 21+ so i don't think there should be so much resentment for another event being opened i mean asciension started the trend...props to them..but other crews should be allowed to set up and try to add their own vision to the scene nima ".aryck." wrote: > > you guys are a bunch of fucking pussies. how are you > > gonna talk shit about a group of junglists like > > megatron and daas when the shit they play actually > > makes people get up and dance not like that fruity > > fuckin bouncy happy house. dont talk shit about people > > from LA. LA niggaz rule the world. > > That's not too plurry. . . gee gollie you meanie you. . . > > hehe. . . > > I'm kinda on both sides. I don;t think the intent of the little > comments made by innocentchild were directed at megga or dos. . . > > I think his point was more (even thoug it was stated in a somewhat edgy > way), that Ascension's kind of built up a clientele at blakes that are used > to going there on a specific nite. And most people (like blakes regulars) > relate more to the day, than the party name or dj's playing, so if they > showed up on the same day unknowingly they would just think that something > changed, but didn't really know what. > > I don't support like harsh words, or the competition dealie. . . I'm a > firm believer of that freinds close, and enemies closer thing (even though I > really have no enemies, just diffirent levels of friends). Working together > usually just multiplies the awesomeness that can be created by either group. > > and I don't mind fluffy house, foo foo trance is a lil diffirent, and > d&b's fuckin dope (I spin some d&b with hardcore/happycore). I really don't > see much competition, just more trays on the buffet table for the week > y'know. . . a lil of each. . . > > kay ??? so don't be mean > > now hug n make up ! > > thereya go now. . . > > : ) > > aryck > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69043-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 19:46:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81030 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 19:46:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81002 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 19:46:00 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bfidget@pop.sfrn.dnai.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:15:45 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org (the SFR Daily Gazette), ambient-mafia@topica.com (AMbeint Mfaia), (S.S. Consultants 3000) From: boomboom@boomerangfidget.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] record & dj reviews needed for boomerangfidget.com hey writers & music freaks ! i need well-written reviews of tracks for boomerangfidget.com (a monthly magazine). types of reviews i will publish: -tracks that can be found on the internet (MP3, etc.) -albums or tracks by superstar musicians (propellorheads, radiohead, macy gray, black-eyed peas, goldie, etc.) -dance singles that can be found in local record stores -dj's who are are known in the SF bay area (i.e., have successfully & consistently shaken dancefloors) -dj's who are are known in other regions (i.e., have successfully & consistently shaken dancefloors there) reviews may be brief, but should include as many of the following as possible: 1. description of the music. 2. rating/opinion 3. where the music can be found Examples: -"at Primal Records" -"major record stores" -"www.MP3.com/MCjoe" -"send $5 to Greg Sandler, 123 Main St., Achoo, CA " 4. the stylistic, technical, historical, or social significance of the music. For DJ mix reviews: PLEASE don't inundate me with "my best friend's first mixtape....." reviews. i'm not going to have time to listen to all of this stuff myself, so if the DJ is not well known, i'm goingto have to go on reputation, to some degree. If you are reviewing music made by a friend: No problem, but please, do everyone a favor, and don't give great reviews to crappy music! It makes us all look dum. Besides, success doesn't work that way! :o) Original tracks by unknown artists are encouraged! --because i am currently unemployed, i can't afford to pay writers now.-- :o( thanks! boomerang fidget the admirable Admiral of this friggin' frigate: http://www.boomerangfidget.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69044-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 19:55:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96210 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 19:55:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96199 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 19:55:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:53:17 -0700 From: EKLEKTIC / HEKTIC X-Sender: dMarie@mail.groundscore.net (Unverified) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RED ONE (RAM) AUGUST 4th w/ SIREN NEWS FLASH! Just a note that RED ONE (RAM) will be performing at Eklektic on Saturday the 4th of August with SIREN and SERAPHIM. AUGUST 11TH we have FUTURE CUT (Metalheadz Camp) performing with STAR EYES. Keep it locked. Press release for this Saturday's show with UFO!, ABSTRACT and K*O*D*A on its way! dMarie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69045-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 19:57:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2849 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 19:57:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2839 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 19:57:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bfidget@pop.sfrn.dnai.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:59:45 -0700 To: "innocentchild" , "SFRavEs Mailing List" , "Deepfog" From: boomboom@boomerangfidget.com X-Envelope-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ))))))((((((boomerang is back))))))(((((( At 2:16 AM -0700 7/19/01, innocentchild wrote: >There is no Ascension tomorrow... We're taking a week off and will be back >to bring you Jeno the following week for a 3 hour set. =) > >ryan BOOOOOOOO. after 3 weeks of hanging out in a house full of 15 edgy Fidget family freaks, i was ready to get my face fucked by a pitcher of Guinness. >> report: >> >> boomerang fidget successfully retrieved from splashdown at SFO today, >> 12 noon pm o'clock. welcome back boomerang! >> >> see you all at ascension tomorrow night! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69046-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 20:14:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26353 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 20:14:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26327 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 20:14:55 -0000 From: Megatron45@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.d3b3947.288899b9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:14:49 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_6e.d3b3947.288899b9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd: bsp-PSYCHOTICA PARTY INFO-tonite @ Blakes --part1_6e.d3b3947.288899b9_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6e.d3b3947.288899b9_alt_boundary" --part1_6e.d3b3947.288899b9_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/17/01 4:43:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, robincognito@onebox.com writes: > > !!!!PSYCHOTICA!!!!! > > We dare all who crave hard beats to come and witness Psychotica as we > once again transport you to the underground world of Drum & Bass and > UK Hardhouse/Hard NRG. > > Jungle: Back by popular demand, we feature a ground shattering 2 [DJ] > by 4 [Turntable] battle by DOS (Ratkoonrat) and bay area champion Megatron > (Mechasoul/ASR). Layin down the wicked bboy sound from the underground, > INCOGNITO (??????) will truly make your feet move. > > UK Hardhouse/Nu-Nrg: If your ass can shake, resident ALLeNRG (All Energy > Prod., Los Angeles) will daze and amaze with hard pumping basslines and > insane buildups. And known for his fast tempo and incredible scratching > ability, Prism One (Alien Sound System, Boise, Oakland) returns to once > again whoa the crowd. > > Its all going down at Blakes on Telegraph [510.848.0886] > 2367 Telegraph Ave. Berkeley, CA 94704. > 9:00 PM-2:00 AM. > $5:21+ $7:18+ > Valid ID required. > > -- > Event Information > infoline@onebox.com - email > (510) 402-2100 x8752 - voicemail/fax > --part1_6e.d3b3947.288899b9_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/17/01 4:43:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
robincognito@onebox.com writes:



!!!!PSYCHOTICA!!!!!

We dare all who crave hard beats to come and witness Psychotica as we
once again transport you to the underground world of Drum & Bass and
UK Hardhouse/Hard NRG.

Jungle: Back by popular demand, we feature a ground shattering 2 [DJ]
by 4 [Turntable] battle by DOS (Ratkoonrat) and bay area champion Megatron
(Mechasoul/ASR). Layin down the wicked bboy sound from the underground,
INCOGNITO (??????) will truly make your feet move.

UK Hardhouse/Nu-Nrg:  If your ass can shake, resident ALLeNRG (All Energy
Prod., Los Angeles) will daze and amaze with hard pumping basslines and
insane buildups.  And known for his fast tempo and incredible scratching
ability, Prism One (Alien Sound System, Boise, Oakland) returns to once
again whoa the crowd.

Its all going down at Blakes on Telegraph [510.848.0886]
2367 Telegraph Ave. Berkeley, CA 94704.
9:00 PM-2:00 AM.
$5:21+  $7:18+
Valid ID required.

--
Event Information
infoline@onebox.com - email
(510) 402-2100 x8752 - voicemail/fax



--part1_6e.d3b3947.288899b9_alt_boundary-- --part1_6e.d3b3947.288899b9_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINZA39-0717194339; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:43:39 -0400 Received: from mta07.onebox.com (180.0/24.77.68.64.in-addr.arpa [64.68.77.180]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v79.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZA29-0717194326; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:43:26 -0400 Received: from onebox.com ([10.1.101.9]) by mta07.onebox.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.21 201-229-121-121-20010307) with SMTP id <20010717234324.DTLU20166.mta07.onebox.com@onebox.com>; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:43:24 -0700 Received: from [24.9.163.74] by onebox.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:43:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:43:24 -0700 Subject: PSYCHOTICA PARTY INFO From: "CH Lee" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20010717234324.DTLU20166.mta07.onebox.com@onebox.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) !!!!PSYCHOTICA!!!!! We dare all who crave hard beats to come and witness Psychotica as we once again transport you to the underground world of Drum & Bass and UK Hardhouse/Hard NRG. Jungle: Back by popular demand, we feature a ground shattering 2 [DJ] by 4 [Turntable] battle by DOS (Ratkoonrat) and bay area champion Megatron (Mechasoul/ASR). Layin down the wicked bboy sound from the underground, INCOGNITO (??????) will truly make your feet move. UK Hardhouse/Nu-Nrg: If your ass can shake, resident ALLeNRG (All Energy Prod., Los Angeles) will daze and amaze with hard pumping basslines and insane buildups. And known for his fast tempo and incredible scratching ability, Prism One (Alien Sound System, Boise, Oakland) returns to once again whoa the crowd. Its all going down at Blakes on Telegraph [510.848.0886] 2367 Telegraph Ave. Berkeley, CA 94704. 9:00 PM-2:00 AM. $5:21+ $7:18+ Valid ID required. -- Event Information infoline@onebox.com - email (510) 402-2100 x8752 - voicemail/fax __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com --part1_6e.d3b3947.288899b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --part1_6e.d3b3947.288899b9_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69047-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 20:22:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37512 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 20:22:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37501 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 20:22:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.82.101.130] From: "Audra Olazabal" To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:21:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 20:21:38.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A098B70:01C11090] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **ASCENSION/Competition at Blakes** Just a couple of points in this arguement: *I agree that it's not right for one crew to tell people not to go see another crew...i think Ryan was just assuming that Psychotica promoted to a different crowd and that -- in the world of competition, we didn't want people who were expecting to see ascension to go to their event. Thus not saying not to go see them if that's what you want, but to know that we wouldn't be there -- so not to go expecting us. *There is no doggin' on jungle going on here. We -- as ACME -- support Jungle, we've had Megatron play for us and have quite a diverse spanning of musical genres playing at ascension. We like it all...(and I at least have nothing particular against LA peeps either -- take that part up with Ryan) *I think a large part of the negativity that went into Ryan's post came from the fact that we've been throwing Ascension for somewhere around two years now...and that we're just a bit territorial and bothered by the fact that psychotica hasn't really proven themselves (in our eyes) worthy adversaries...Thus, I just wanted to say that although Ryan is a loved member of ACME -- he doesn't directly speak for all of our feelings or thoughts...If i judge the group right, we're willing to fight for what we want and want to do it fairly and without taking cheap shots...And if you ask me, the experience and history that we have has in effect already proven itself -- and this whole thing will be over quite soon... Enough rambling...hope to see some of you on the 26th for Jeno (and it's our 3yr anniversary too)...it's going to be one funky-groovy-rockin party...(and if you didn't know, Alkaline and Tirrell are doing a 2x4 to open for Jeno -- and they rock it too!) We all cool here? Cool. *audra* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69048-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 20:38:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59865 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 20:38:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59843 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 20:38:31 -0000 Date: 19 Jul 2001 13:38:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20010719203801.26827.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Jul 2001 20:38:01 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: litterbx@ultimanet.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** Just a couple of thoughts on weeklies and spaces and crews and crew infighting. Club owners love crew infighting. Crew infighting can mean a bigger cut of the door, it can mean having crews pay for the priviledge of using a space. Doing parties shouldn't be about compeating for nights, it cannot be in the eastbay, where it is really hard to keep a party going. The Ascension folks might want to look into other spaces, to counter act the owners' of blakes power trip. There used to be an 18+ weekly at bison brewery and i think that it is over now. I never went, but i heard it was pretty cool. There is a big ass basement space on shattuck, next to the pasand. I don't know what their deal is ages wise, but i have been there years ago and remember it to be a real sweet space. The east bay has tons of under used bar and restuarante spaces that the owners would probably love having some peeps in, so why battle over blakes. As i recall, blakes is kinda small and dingy, with way to many support beams to have a healthy dance floor vibe. tomcat --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69049-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 20:41:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63814 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 20:41:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63804 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 20:41:05 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.59] From: "Becca Plevin" To: drkstar927@hotmail.com, innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:40:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 20:40:35.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[1007D430:01C11093] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] **ASCENSION/Competition at Blakes** Audra hit on most of what I wanted to say, but let me just emphasize one point. The discontent that we at ACME feel does not result from who Psychotica is or who they have spinning at their event. It stems from the fact that over the past two years Ascension has slowly worked its way from being a tuesday night weekly to a wednesday night weekly to, finally, a thursday night weekly. Each time, we were given better nights because we had proven that we could consistently bring in the crowds that Blake's wants. So it did not sit very well with us to be told out of the blue that we had to split our night with a crew that had not, to our knowledge, given any sort of proof to Blake's that they could attract a crowd with the same consistency that we have for the past several years. It left us with a feeling that we had worked our way up through years of hard work, only to have the "reward" given to a group tthat had put in no such effort. And a quick note about our lineups- the following are DJ's who have played at Ascension within the past month: Megatron, Science, Andy W, Amber, and Dragn'fly. Kinda refutes your statement that Ascension is a club for those who like "fruity fucking bouncy happy house". However, if I ever hear Andy play fruity, bouncy *anything*, I will quite happily eat my words and run screaming into the night, knowing that the world has officially ended. As far as anyone from L.A. ruling the world, I ::shudder:: to think of the consequences. I'm kidding, so don't get your panties in a twist about that one. :-D Becca >From: "Audra Olazabal" >To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] **ASCENSION/Competition at Blakes** >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:21:37 -0700 > >Just a couple of points in this arguement: > >*I agree that it's not right for one crew to tell people not to go see >another crew...i think Ryan was just assuming that Psychotica promoted to a >different crowd and that -- in the world of competition, we didn't want >people who were expecting to see ascension to go to their event. Thus not >saying not to go see them if that's what you want, but to know that we >wouldn't be there -- so not to go expecting us. > >*There is no doggin' on jungle going on here. We -- as ACME -- support >Jungle, we've had Megatron play for us and have quite a diverse spanning of >musical genres playing at ascension. We like it all...(and I at least have >nothing particular against LA peeps either -- take that part up with Ryan) > >*I think a large part of the negativity that went into Ryan's post came >from >the fact that we've been throwing Ascension for somewhere around two years >now...and that we're just a bit territorial and bothered by the fact that >psychotica hasn't really proven themselves (in our eyes) worthy >adversaries...Thus, > >I just wanted to say that although Ryan is a loved member of ACME -- he >doesn't directly speak for all of our feelings or thoughts...If i judge the >group right, we're willing to fight for what we want and want to do it >fairly and without taking cheap shots...And if you ask me, the experience >and history that we have has in effect already proven itself -- and this >whole thing will be over quite soon... > >Enough rambling...hope to see some of you on the 26th for Jeno (and it's >our >3yr anniversary too)...it's going to be one funky-groovy-rockin >party...(and >if you didn't know, Alkaline and Tirrell are doing a 2x4 to open for Jeno >-- >and they rock it too!) > >We all cool here? Cool. > >*audra* > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69050-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 20:42:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65450 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 20:42:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65439 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 20:42:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.114.71] From: "Brandon @ Invibe" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:41:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 20:41:33.0377 (UTC) FILETIME=[32554310:01C11093] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths scary article...but i'll be damned if i have to give up Red Bull (and vodka). On the web: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001240408,00.html text below. ------------- < Brandon > http://www.invibe.com ------------- THURSDAY JULY 12 2001 Red Bull under investigation after deaths FROM DAVID LISTER IN BRUSSELS AND SAM COATES RED BULL, the energy drink that has become popular among the over-worked and the over-partied, is under investigation in Sweden after reports that at least three people have died after consuming it. A public warning advising people not to take Red Bull mixed with alcohol nor to drink it after exercise has been issued by Sweden’s National Food Administration. The warning follows the deaths of at least three healthy men and women, all of whom are believed to have drunk Red Bull just before they died. Two of the victims, whose identities have not been released by the Swedish authorities, died after mixing the drink with vodka. The third died after taking several cans after a hard gym session. One of those who died, a woman in her early thirties, collapsed in a nightclub after just two cans of the drink mixed with vodka. Red Bull cannot be sold in stores in Norway, Denmark or France because it is classified as medicinal because of its high caffeine content. It could, however, be sold in pharmacies in those countries. For the time being the possible health risks of the drink are unlikely to take the gloss off its incredible success. After winning the Wimbledon men’s final on Monday, there was only one drink that could keep Goran Ivanisevic and friends celebrating into the night: Red Bull. Ivanisevic’s jubilant friends bought seven cans of Red Bull and mixed it with vodka to keep them going. The National Food Administration in Sweden confirmed yesterday that it had launched an investigation into Red Bull and other energy drinks to determine whether they were safe for consumption. Anders Glynn, from the organisation’s toxicology department and the head of the investigation, said that it would focus on the two main energy products in Red Bull — caffeine and taurine — and the effects of combining the two ingredients with alcohol. Mr Glynn said: “What we have is the suggestion that three people have died after drinking this substance, although there is no hard scientific evidence available on this yet. We will be looking at the death certificates and going through the autopspy reports to identify whether or not there is a link.” The National Food Administration will work with a team of at least four Swedish doctors led by Dan Andersson of Stockholm’s South Hospital. At least two of the victims are believed to have been patients at the hospital. Dr Andersson told Dagens Nyheter, a Swedish daily newspaper, that there appeared to be no proper explanation for the three deaths. “One other doctor had one case, I had one, and there was also one other. In all three cases we suspect that the patients had been drinking Red Bull,” he said. He gave a warning that it was particularly dangerous to take energy drinks after exercise. “If you drink a lot of Red Bull, if you are dried out and if you mix it with alcohol it can be very dangerous,” he told the paper. One of the victims, identified only as Therese, 31, by the Swedish press, had consumed just two cans of Red Bull when she collapsed on a dance floor in March. “Suddenly she just fell down beside me. Her heart had stopped and she was completely lifeless,” said her boyfriend, John Andersson, who said that doctors finally gave up trying to resuscitate her after using electric shock treatment 17 times in an attempt to restart her heart. It is not the first time that Red Bull has been blamed for health problems. Last year, Ross Cooney, 18, from Limerick, died of sudden adult death syndrome during a basketball match hours after he had consumed three cans of Red Bull. Although the inquest showed that he had thickened artery walls and had had a heart condition as a child, the coroner called for more research into the effects of Red Bull and other energy drinks. In April a study at Dublin’s St James Hospital found that two cans of the drink caused the arteries in the body to dilate and others to stiffen. Britain’s Food Standards Agency said it did not plan to launch an investigation into the effects of the drink. A spokeswoman for Red Bull insisted that the energy drink was safe with a strong 14-year record of safe products. “There had been rigorous scientific testing even before the drink came on the market,” she said. Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on Times Newspapers' standard terms and conditions. To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from The Times, visit the Syndication website. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69051-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 21:00:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91135 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 21:00:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91125 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 21:00:08 -0000 From: "donbrannon" To: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:09:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] tickets to the underground (long) So I guess I am officially jaded for posting about this but I've been thinking about this, talking about it with a few people, and I feel I have a few good points. I will not support an underground crew that designs their event to sell out within a day or less. Now if it just happens by chance and not by design then fine, but what I am talking about is deliberate sandbagging. What I mean by this is that there are certain well known underground crews that not only limit capacity unnecessarily for certain venues, but they also "front" a public party by offering a pitifully low ratio of "party goer" tickets as compared to "family tickets". In addition they make sure ticket sales are done in a single night for the few tickets set aside for "regular party kids". Any one of these things isn't evil in itself but when all three are in effect I feel it's elitism within a community that prides itself on treating its party goers a little bit better with great music, free water, fruit, chill rooms and a dressed down, non-hyped atmosphere. I find what seals it for me is when I find the crews that design and sell their parties this way don't really throw anything past their exclusive and trendy one or two parties a year, and they don't have much if any participation in club nights or other small low cost or free events. Now the feedback I have gotten has ranged from "they can't help being popular" all the way through "it's just the way things are". Horseshit. They could keep names and addresses for private invites and direct ticket sales a month before the event, they could stagger the release of the remaining tickets so they are available over a week or even two weeks time. There are other solutions as well that do nothing to take away the "exclusive" nature of the event yet make tickets more accessible to the people that support through finding the information on the party and giving a crew a chance. Perhaps these crews need a day of "ticket drama" to maintain their image? I will support an underground crew that presents the music I love on a regular basis in an effort to share with those folks who make the effort to find their sound within the underground. Associated crews are a great thing, especially when those crews make a habit of collaborating to throw many small quality low cost events in clubs and the great outdoors. When I go to a party put on by one of these crews I am infused with good vibe because I really feel they have a giving and sharing nature with me on a personal level and with everyone around me. It's a crew saying, "You're special because you found us and we can share the same love for this sound..." versus, "You're special because you name dropped someone on crew and are a certified person 'in the know'." So I expect to hear, "Aww, bein' a crybaby because you didn't get your ticket..." No, to be clear I had the choice and picked one campout over the other when I could have gone to both. I also expect to hear, "Who are you to criticize how we do things?" I am The Lone Raver, cruising around in my trusty white truck fighting for truth and justice. I am the out of place guy who came to the party alone and can be found dancing to his groove in some unused corner of space. I am the one kid in school that was not only outcast from all of the popular cliques, but was considered weird and dangerous by all. (Redstickman can back me up on this. Hi Mike!) I am the one that seriously lacks social grace and doesn't move well within the community... but I meet a few of you at a time... ...and I love the music with all of my heart and I will continue to support those who give of their own heart and are both truthful and fair. As a crew it isn't just about what you do, it is about the way you do it. Approach means a great deal to me. Here's to the crews keeping it real! donb NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69052-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 21:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92386 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 21:00:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92376 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 21:00:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3B574AD8.D94329A2@home.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:02:19 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brandon @ Invibe" CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths This is from Jalouse Magazine- "A Load Of Bull" A new cocktail has become de rigueur at bars throughout the city: Red Bull and vodka. Hardly the libation of champions, the energy drink and alcohol mix is the preferred beverage of Docker-wearing nerds, B-grade modes, and perky types who've yet to notice the rave scene died ten years ago." I don't know about you, but I disagree. And dammit I just burned my lunch:( Lydia "Brandon @ Invibe" wrote: > scary article...but i'll be damned if i have to give up Red Bull (and > vodka). > > On the web: > http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001240408,00.html > > text below. > > ------------- > < Brandon > > http://www.invibe.com > ------------- > > THURSDAY JULY 12 2001 > Red Bull under investigation after deaths > FROM DAVID LISTER IN BRUSSELS AND SAM COATES > RED BULL, the energy drink that has become popular among the over-worked and > the over-partied, is under investigation in Sweden after reports that at > least three people have died after consuming it. > > A public warning advising people not to take Red Bull mixed with alcohol nor > to drink it after exercise has been issued by Sweden’s National Food > Administration. > > The warning follows the deaths of at least three healthy men and women, all > of whom are believed to have drunk Red Bull just before they died. > > Two of the victims, whose identities have not been released by the Swedish > authorities, died after mixing the drink with vodka. The third died after > taking several cans after a hard gym session. > > One of those who died, a woman in her early thirties, collapsed in a > nightclub after just two cans of the drink mixed with vodka. > > Red Bull cannot be sold in stores in Norway, Denmark or France because it is > classified as medicinal because of its high caffeine content. It could, > however, be sold in pharmacies in those countries. > > For the time being the possible health risks of the drink are unlikely to > take the gloss off its incredible success. After winning the Wimbledon men’s > final on Monday, there was only one drink that could keep Goran Ivanisevic > and friends celebrating into the night: Red Bull. Ivanisevic’s jubilant > friends bought seven cans of Red Bull and mixed it with vodka to keep them > going. > > The National Food Administration in Sweden confirmed yesterday that it had > launched an investigation into Red Bull and other energy drinks to determine > whether they were safe for consumption. Anders Glynn, from the > organisation’s toxicology department and the head of the investigation, said > that it would focus on the two main energy products in Red Bull — caffeine > and taurine — and the effects of combining the two ingredients with alcohol. > > Mr Glynn said: “What we have is the suggestion that three people have died > after drinking this substance, although there is no hard scientific evidence > available on this yet. We will be looking at the death certificates and > going through the autopspy reports to identify whether or not there is a > link.” > > The National Food Administration will work with a team of at least four > Swedish doctors led by Dan Andersson of Stockholm’s South Hospital. At least > two of the victims are believed to have been patients at the hospital. > > Dr Andersson told Dagens Nyheter, a Swedish daily newspaper, that there > appeared to be no proper explanation for the three deaths. “One other doctor > had one case, I had one, and there was also one other. In all three cases we > suspect that the patients had been drinking Red Bull,” he said. > > He gave a warning that it was particularly dangerous to take energy drinks > after exercise. “If you drink a lot of Red Bull, if you are dried out and if > you mix it with alcohol it can be very dangerous,” he told the paper. > > One of the victims, identified only as Therese, 31, by the Swedish press, > had consumed just two cans of Red Bull when she collapsed on a dance floor > in March. “Suddenly she just fell down beside me. Her heart had stopped and > she was completely lifeless,” said her boyfriend, John Andersson, who said > that doctors finally gave up trying to resuscitate her after using electric > shock treatment 17 times in an attempt to restart her heart. > > It is not the first time that Red Bull has been blamed for health problems. > Last year, Ross Cooney, 18, from Limerick, died of sudden adult death > syndrome during a basketball match hours after he had consumed three cans of > Red Bull. Although the inquest showed that he had thickened artery walls and > had had a heart condition as a child, the coroner called for more research > into the effects of Red Bull and other energy drinks. > > In April a study at Dublin’s St James Hospital found that two cans of the > drink caused the arteries in the body to dilate and others to stiffen. > > Britain’s Food Standards Agency said it did not plan to launch an > investigation into the effects of the drink. > > A spokeswoman for Red Bull insisted that the energy drink was safe with a > strong 14-year record of safe products. “There had been rigorous scientific > testing even before the drink came on the market,” she said. > Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on Times > Newspapers' standard terms and conditions. To inquire about a licence to > reproduce material from The Times, visit the Syndication website. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69053-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 21:02:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94680 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 21:02:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94670 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 21:02:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719210203.6111.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths Heh... people always look at me funny, but try Red Bull with Jaegarmeister. It's actually quite good. :) -Dreg --- "Brandon @ Invibe" wrote: > scary article...but i'll be damned if i have to give > up Red Bull (and > vodka). > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69054-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 21:09:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3707 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 21:09:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3679 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 21:09:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719210935.69262.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Skip To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1495210304-995576975=:69252" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello --0-1495210304-995576975=:69252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All right party kids who else is going to see Paul the Fanman and Jinx @ Electric Jello on Friday with me?! *HUGS* PLUR Trish --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1495210304-995576975=:69252-- From sfraves-return-69055-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 21:13:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7392 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 21:13:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7364 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 21:13:26 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: "Skip" Cc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:23:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010719210935.69262.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Electric Jello I'll be there, sporting my Pimp Purple Hat, yes its back, Hope to see everyone there, it will be a blast, plz find me and say hi!!! Magick AKA Laith AIM : mrlaither143 916-521-1139 -----Original Message----- From: Skip [mailto:inocent156@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:10 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello All right party kids who else is going to see Paul the Fanman and Jinx @ Electric Jello on Friday with me?! *HUGS* PLUR Trish --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69056-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 21:25:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17479 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 21:25:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17469 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 21:25:12 -0000 From: "Ranger" To: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:22:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Farina @ KitKat Tonight :) *** RANGER FLASH *** ---------------- Tonight!! Thursday July 19…KIT KAT 12 Year Anniversary w/ MARK FARINA, DJ Ali (Vancouver), Tasho & Jellybear. The End Up (401 6th St. @ Harrison St.) 10-6. This is going to be sic.. especialy if they honor their free before 11p policy, which they seem not to do when it's an aniversary, so be prepared to pay like 12-15 doll hairs. I am tryin to find a ride.. hope to see ya all there! R. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69057-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 21:25:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18082 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 21:25:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18000 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 21:25:21 -0000 X-Authentication-Warning: gabber.ez-e.net: Host zengine-gw2.customer.alter.net [157.130.208.226] (may be forged) claimed to be drghetto.com Message-ID: <3B575105.3080407@drghetto.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:28:37 -0700 From: John Vicondoa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2+) Gecko/20010718 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dank smoker CC: ".aryck." , innocentchild , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010719193631.32600.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** I hear it done often. Jungle came from hardcore, but everyone knows that allready.... -jv dank smoker wrote: >wow theres actually one other person on this planet >that attempts to mix hardcore with jungle. >--- ".aryck." wrote: > >> >> >>>you guys are a bunch of fucking pussies. how are >>> >>you >> >>>gonna talk shit about a group of junglists like >>>megatron and daas when the shit they play actually >>>makes people get up and dance not like that fruity >>>fuckin bouncy happy house. dont talk shit about >>> >>people >> >>>from LA. LA niggaz rule the world. >>> >> >> That's not too plurry. . . gee gollie you meanie >>you. . . >> >>hehe. . . >> >> I'm kinda on both sides. I don;t think the >>intent of the little >>comments made by innocentchild were directed at >>megga or dos. . . >> >> I think his point was more (even thoug it was >>stated in a somewhat edgy >>way), that Ascension's kind of built up a clientele >>at blakes that are used >>to going there on a specific nite. And most people >>(like blakes regulars) >>relate more to the day, than the party name or dj's >>playing, so if they >>showed up on the same day unknowingly they would >>just think that something >>changed, but didn't really know what. >> >> I don't support like harsh words, or the >>competition dealie. . . I'm a >>firm believer of that freinds close, and enemies >>closer thing (even though I >>really have no enemies, just diffirent levels of >>friends). Working together >>usually just multiplies the awesomeness that can be >>created by either group. >> >> and I don't mind fluffy house, foo foo trance is >>a lil diffirent, and >>d&b's fuckin dope (I spin some d&b with >>hardcore/happycore). I really don't >>see much competition, just more trays on the buffet >>table for the week >>y'know. . . a lil of each. . . >> >> kay ??? so don't be mean >> >>now hug n make up ! >> >>thereya go now. . . >> >>: ) >> >>aryck >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: >>sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -- -johnv http://drghetto.com e:jvicondoa@yahoo.com aim:BONETO icq:505351 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69058-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 21:37:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36378 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 21:37:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36368 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 21:37:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.156.229.148] From: "ravah luv" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:37:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 21:37:08.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[F684C970:01C1109A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] FOR SALE: Needles/cartridges - Shure M44-7 Turntablist Expression hi all - I have two Shure M44-7 Turntablist Expression needles/cartridges for sale... i bought them in April and have only used them about 5 times... boxes, extra pieces, and everything that came with them included. paid almost $130 (from Guitar Center, have reciept), asking $90 OBO. please email back privately ravahluv@hotmai.com Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69059-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 21:46:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46618 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 21:46:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46605 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 21:46:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:34:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Haskovec To: Dregaron Starlighter cc: In-Reply-To: <20010719210203.6111.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths *shudder* dan On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Dregaron Starlighter wrote: > Heh... people always look at me funny, but try Red > Bull with Jaegarmeister. It's actually quite good. :) > > -Dreg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69060-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 21:49:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51785 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 21:49:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51775 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 21:49:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719214908.20880.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:49:08 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths yeah... crazy ass arizona heads drink some strange shit --- Dan Haskovec wrote: > *shudder* > > dan > > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Dregaron Starlighter wrote: > > > Heh... people always look at me funny, but try Red > > Bull with Jaegarmeister. It's actually quite > good. :) > > > > -Dreg > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69061-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 22:03:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66091 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 22:03:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66078 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 22:03:16 -0000 Reply-To: From: "gfunkjeff" To: "SF Raves \(E-mail\)" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:03:27 -0700 Message-ID: <883726CF2C7AD411A06D00E018CE0ED73889BD@IV01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Dating Tips..Suggestions ! nrr I hope this hasn't been passed around already.. if so, sorry for the spam. shit made me laugh yo! http://www.zefrank.com/date_1/navigation.html :) Jeff audible'energy' www.technolounge.org/jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69062-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 22:09:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72004 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 22:09:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71993 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 22:09:58 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:19:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11066.362FDEA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Poetry - You might want to hear this? ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11066.362FDEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don’t feel I am myself until I am with someone special.. When with that person I take them out to dinner, go to the good movies, great clubs, amazing events, and live a good healthy life. When that person isn’t there I don’t live life to its fullest. And I miss that. So you can say I receive happiness through others. Or that I live my life through others. Or you can say I am depressed by myself. But I say that you make my life, you are my life. Not about raving just another poem I came up with, just seeing what you think?? Hope that my poetry posts don’t bug ya Magick ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11066.362FDEA0-- From sfraves-return-69063-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 22:26:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96102 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 22:26:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96092 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 22:26:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.204.133.5] From: "hi there" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:26:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 22:26:27.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9AC2080:01C110A1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users I never like it when they change the display(?) it creeps me out. Too much Blue and too small Rach =} ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sweet DeViL" To: "Deeze williams" , Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:37:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [172.182.223.78] Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD1FA0D4009640043799D185531604FD0; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:36:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 66117 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 03:36:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 66106 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 03:36:56 -0000 >From sfraves-return-69000-rachel_bronstein Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:38:35 -0700 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1619 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 03:36:25.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCCB1B00:01C11003] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N what new hotmail look? ----- Original Message ----- From: Deeze williams Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:35 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users How do you guys like the NEW hotmail look? Kent Ya heard meh! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.orgGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69064-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 22:29:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98290 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 22:29:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98273 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 22:29:06 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Mcgough, Mary (Modis)" To: 'hi there' , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:29:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C110A2.3F879100" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] NRR: Holy s* Hotmail users ------_=_NextPart_001_01C110A2.3F879100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah and did you figure out how to display the inbox as default? I can't. It's all ads. I mean, I know it's free...but I was so used to the other interface. Ya, I know I'm whining. em_elle (mary mcgough) -----Original Message----- From: hi there [mailto:rachel_bronstein@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:26 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users I never like it when they change the display(?) it creeps me out. Too much Blue and too small Rach =} ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sweet DeViL" To: "Deeze williams" , Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:37:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [172.182.223.78] Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD1FA0D4009640043799D185531604FD0; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:36:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 66117 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 03:36:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 66106 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 03:36:56 -0000 >From sfraves-return-69000-rachel_bronstein Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:38:35 -0700 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1619 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 03:36:25.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCCB1B00:01C11003] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N what new hotmail look? ----- Original Message ----- From: Deeze williams Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:35 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users How do you guys like the NEW hotmail look? Kent Ya heard meh! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.orgGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C110A2.3F879100-- From sfraves-return-69065-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 22:48:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25331 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 22:48:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25321 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 22:48:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:47:24 EDT From: MariMag420@aol.com To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <61.10b64b60.2888bd7d@aol.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: **ASCENSION IS CANCLED THIS WEEK** To be honest, I am part of the Acme crew and I agree with you that Psychotica has the right to be just as we do. Obviously all of us at Acme want to protect and preserve what we've painstakingly built up over the years, but I don't think it's really anyone's intension to disparage the efforts or validity of another crew. And the "threat," so to speak, of losing our night has definately helped us concentrate our own efforts more, which translates to even better parties for all our patrons, so in that sense the competition has been good. I think - and I believe I speak for all of us - that an arrangement in which both crews get their own night so that neither is infringing upon the other would be ideal. We're all hoping for it, I'm sure. I hope to see everyone at Ascension on the 26th for Jeno!!! Mar --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69066-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 23:04:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45856 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 23:04:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45832 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 23:04:36 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.228.10.56] From: "will devoe" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, breakbeat3000@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:04:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 23:04:05.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BF26DA0:01C110A7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Attention Monterey Heads I just wanted to inform all of you that were planning on heading down to our little shindig on the 28th. At the Grassy Knolls That we had scheduling issues. We are going to set another date. Sorry for the mixup. If you want to email me I will send off the details. peace... kiYoshi 1 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69067-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 23:30:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69461 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 23:30:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69451 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 23:30:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:29:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 23:29:55.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7602220:01C110AA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users I like it.....then again, blue is my favorite color. The new set-up doesn't look so dull either. >I never like it when they change the display(?) it creeps me out. Too much >Blue and too small > >Rach =} _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69068-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 23:35:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73172 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 23:35:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73162 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 23:35:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.142.153.34] From: "Megan Long" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:34:36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 23:34:36.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F5829F0:01C110AB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 info? Hey, can anybody tell me when more info on AREA 51's location and hours will be available? I registered at universalunity.com for the "X-file" documents that will be sent out with the venue info but haven't gotten anything...and I don't really wanna listen to live 105 all day on Saturday for the location like the flier says! I've already got my ticket and am really looking forward to it, just curious when we get to know more?? So nobody's guessed right yet? I thought the Moscone Center was a pretty good guess. Muchas gracias, Megan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69069-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 23:49:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90085 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 23:49:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90048 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 23:49:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719234936.7475.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Karma-Catt To: The List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] hey where's the Limelight reviews??? sorry, if this got out a little late but I was hoping to read some reviews this morning about Limelight... I really wanted to go... ... any body??? Love, Catt *meow* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69070-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 23:51:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94178 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 23:51:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94168 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 23:51:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.197.46] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com, denise_djd@hotmail.com, c4ocol8@aol.com, xxpukayekayexx@aol.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:51:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 23:51:28.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA350CB0:01C110AD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] my wednesday night <> hi people, well...i thought wednesday was gonna be another boring day off from work. so i decided to check out stereophonik and called up a friend. we got there around 10ish....after a quik stop at mc donalds =) anyways, we got there and saw some familiar faces....pat, andy and leon, george, dillon, andy, jared, and halley and a bunch of other people. i wasnt really sure who were the people who were spinning in the smaller room that night...but they put on some dope ass dnb...got me dancin, and i loved it. much props to killlasubz and the djs. i wasnt sure who was spinning at the main room...he had a white shirt on that night...it was the guys before denise...pretty dope...i dug the trance and the hard house. and i saw denise walk in...it was great seein her again...she spun a ass kickin set...and played thunderball..and that one classic...pistolwhip. then came on leon (leon cook) this is my second time hearin this guy spin...and hes dope. i loved it when he threw in the injected with a poison track...i havent heard that track in a while...lifesaver. hehe. anyways, ya, i saw some pretty cool peeps, and cool dancers. o ya....there was this one old guy who came in the middle of the circle for like 2-3 times i think...hehe, props to him. i had fun dancin my ass off...i havent danced like that in a while. hopefully ill come back sometime when telene comes on or whatever. so....we left till it ended...got home around 2ish...didnt get to sleep till 3...and had work this morning at 10...just got back from work...and damn am i still tired and sore. peace guys. i think i need a nap. thanks again to stereophonik and killasubz...and to jamie, leon, andy, and denise. peace yo! "that guy in the Frequency 8 t shirt" .choco. dj_choco@hotmail.com "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to make your own reality." -words by choco _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69071-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 19 23:56:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1107 invoked by uid 1104); 19 Jul 2001 23:56:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1097 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 23:56:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719235621.4209.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Seraphim - Sister SF To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] tonight : Sonic Manipulation : techno & D&B : FREE Please note: Tickets for the Magic Campout this weekend will be available at this event!! THIS THURSDAY! SONIC MANIPULATION 2 8:00 pm - 2:00 am An evening with manipulators: Anuerysm Plateshifter And Sonic Manipulation residents: Satellite Seraphim Sonic Manipulation is a free party (for all the laid off dot com rejects who don't go out anymore 'cause they're TOO POOR) the third thursday of each month at the Edinburgh Castle: 950 Geary @ Polk in the Tendernob in SF. Brought to you by DJ SatelliteSeraphimForestGreenDominatrix If you can't make this one, check out next month: El Juan Dominatrix Chris Burfine Forest Green ===== D J S E R A P H I M http://www.djseraphim.com http://www.sistersf.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69072-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 00:31:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25984 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 00:31:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25973 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 00:31:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [158.96.27.120] From: "melissa miyara" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:30:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 00:30:38.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[3330A160:01C110B3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths ha ha i'm from sac and almost everyone i know drinks red bull w/jager. so much, in fact, that there are at least 3 names for it at the bar: terminator, bulldozer, and one other i can't think of offhand. mo "We must be the change we wish to see in the world." -Gandhi >From: knowmad AE >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:49:08 -0700 (PDT) > >yeah... crazy ass arizona heads drink some strange >shit > >--- Dan Haskovec wrote: > > *shudder* > > > > dan > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Dregaron Starlighter wrote: > > > > > Heh... people always look at me funny, but try Red > > > Bull with Jaegarmeister. It's actually quite > > good. :) > > > > > > -Dreg > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >===== >icq/40221388 >aim/knowmadAE >y!/knowmadAE >"the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... >the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." >In Lak'ech > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69073-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 00:44:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34754 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 00:44:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34744 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 00:44:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720004430.85881.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: DJ CHOCO , joey kandykid , sf raves , F 8 , "Soul A." , bazooka joe In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] my wednesday night <> Yeah that was my first time there too. After picking up Paul and then some flyers from a friend (Oracle)who will be spinning at Club Six in the city on the 30th of August (just a little BSP for ya), we headed out to the club. I wasn't in my normal dancing attire, but hey managed to get my groove on a little. Saw Leon and Andy out side. Andy you are such a flirt. Was great seeing Leon on the decks again. Jowy the jaded raver was there. Before Leon, Dj D was up there and she tore it up as always. she played that one track I love so much. Paul you'll know what it is. But it goes... you know what is what, but you don't know what is what, they just strut, what the fuck. Anyways, Saw Goerge again last night. Sorry I can't make it out to your guys little party Bon Voyage, but I promised a friend of mine I wuld hang out with him and his crew for the night. I am going to miss Bazooka Joe *insert tear here*. Derek my captain save a raver was hanging out side (can you, can you, save me? I wanna be saved). I was so surprised to see my friend paul the dork there. hee hee puuuuurrrrrr! So I give it two thumbs up. Will definately go again. --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > hi people, > > well...i thought wednesday was gonna be another > boring day off from work. > so i decided to check out stereophonik and called up > a friend. we got there > around 10ish....after a quik stop at mc donalds =) > anyways, we got there and > saw some familiar faces....pat, andy and leon, > george, dillon, andy, jared, > and halley and a bunch of other people. i wasnt > really sure who were the > people who were spinning in the smaller room that > night...but they put on > some dope ass dnb...got me dancin, and i loved it. > much props to killlasubz > and the djs. i wasnt sure who was spinning at the > main room...he had a white > shirt on that night...it was the guys before > denise...pretty dope...i dug > the trance and the hard house. and i saw denise > walk in...it was great > seein her again...she spun a ass kickin set...and > played thunderball..and > that one classic...pistolwhip. then came on leon > (leon cook) this is my > second time hearin this guy spin...and hes dope. i > loved it when he threw > in the injected with a poison track...i havent heard > that track in a > while...lifesaver. hehe. anyways, ya, i saw some > pretty cool peeps, and cool > dancers. o ya....there was this one old guy who > came in the middle of the > circle for like 2-3 times i think...hehe, props to > him. i had fun dancin my > ass off...i havent danced like that in a while. > hopefully ill come back > sometime when telene comes on or whatever. so....we > left till it > ended...got home around 2ish...didnt get to sleep > till 3...and had work this > morning at 10...just got back from work...and damn > am i still tired and > sore. peace guys. i think i need a nap. thanks > again to stereophonik and > killasubz...and to jamie, leon, andy, and denise. > peace yo! > > > "that guy in the Frequency 8 t shirt" > .choco. > dj_choco@hotmail.com > "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your > own imagination to make > your own reality." -words by choco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69074-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 00:50:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41009 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 00:50:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40999 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 00:50:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720005033.55838.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: melissa miyara , sf raves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths o.k. get a glass fulled with red bull no ice. and a shot of jager in a seperate glass. drop the shot in the red bull and chugg. it's one of my favorite drinks. I know it as the Blaster. Jamie --- melissa miyara wrote: > ha ha i'm from sac and almost everyone i know drinks > red bull w/jager. > so much, in fact, that there are at least 3 names > for it at the bar: > terminator, bulldozer, and one other i can't think > of offhand. > > mo > > "We must be the change we wish to see in the world." > -Gandhi > > > > >From: knowmad AE > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation > in Sweden deaths > >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:49:08 -0700 (PDT) > > > >yeah... crazy ass arizona heads drink some strange > >shit > > > >--- Dan Haskovec wrote: > > > *shudder* > > > > > > dan > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Dregaron Starlighter wrote: > > > > > > > Heh... people always look at me funny, but try > Red > > > > Bull with Jaegarmeister. It's actually quite > > > good. :) > > > > > > > > -Dreg > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > >===== > >icq/40221388 > >aim/knowmadAE > >y!/knowmadAE > >"the third I is we and we are one, one in the > same... > >the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal > Door..." > >In Lak'ech > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69075-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 01:39:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66677 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 01:39:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66667 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 01:39:22 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:38:45 -0700 From: veanne To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010720004430.85881.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] my wednesday night <> definitely agree with you there. both rooms at the cactus club were slammin' last night. as always, i was very impressed with dj d's set. she had the whole room brockin' out hardcore! do you guys realize how lucky we are to have this??? and only for FIVE BUCKS!! rawk on babeee! -ve :) > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: >> hi people, >> >> well...i thought wednesday was gonna be another >> boring day off from work. >> so i decided to check out stereophonik and called up >> a friend. we got there >> around 10ish....after a quik stop at mc donalds =) >> anyways, we got there and >> saw some familiar faces....pat, andy and leon, >> george, dillon, andy, jared, >> and halley and a bunch of other people. i wasnt >> really sure who were the >> people who were spinning in the smaller room that >> night...but they put on >> some dope ass dnb...got me dancin, and i loved it. >> much props to killlasubz >> and the djs. i wasnt sure who was spinning at the >> main room...he had a white >> shirt on that night...it was the guys before >> denise...pretty dope...i dug >> the trance and the hard house. and i saw denise >> walk in...it was great >> seein her again...she spun a ass kickin set...and >> played thunderball..and >> that one classic...pistolwhip. then came on leon >> (leon cook) this is my >> second time hearin this guy spin...and hes dope. i >> loved it when he threw >> in the injected with a poison track...i havent heard >> that track in a >> while...lifesaver. hehe. anyways, ya, i saw some >> pretty cool peeps, and cool >> dancers. o ya....there was this one old guy who >> came in the middle of the >> circle for like 2-3 times i think...hehe, props to >> him. i had fun dancin my >> ass off...i havent danced like that in a while. >> hopefully ill come back >> sometime when telene comes on or whatever. so....we >> left till it >> ended...got home around 2ish...didnt get to sleep >> till 3...and had work this >> morning at 10...just got back from work...and damn >> am i still tired and >> sore. peace guys. i think i need a nap. thanks >> again to stereophonik and >> killasubz...and to jamie, leon, andy, and denise. >> peace yo! >> >> >> "that guy in the Frequency 8 t shirt" >> .choco. >> dj_choco@hotmail.com >> "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your >> own imagination to make >> your own reality." -words by choco - : contact - aim : mylai email - swervin@mylai.com homepage : www.mylai.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69076-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 02:19:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92725 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 02:19:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92697 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 02:19:00 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.17680ad0.2888ef04@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:18:44 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.17680ad0.2888ef04_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) TRANSITION re-grand opening Fri. July 20th --part1_6b.17680ad0.2888ef04_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Transition (Every Friday) >3.12 (Unix) ApacheJServ/1.1.2 Rewrit/1.1a FrontPage/4.0.4.3 PHP/4.0.3pl1 Last-Modified: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:35:48 GMT ETag: "1be75-2b-3a6c99a4" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Type: image/gif X-TS: 40B1AD3F~43 Age: 6 Via: HTTP/1.0 rb07 (Traffic-Server/4.0.4 [cSsNfU]) Come and experience TRANSITION every Friday night with the best Djs and artists twirling your minds with the explosive sounds of the underground. TRANSITION is known as one of the Best Rated Parties in the South Bay. For over 2 years TRANSITION has showcased many of today's Top Djs. TRANSITION Equals = House / Trance / Tech House / Club Favorites / Top 40 ARMANN the BRAINCHILD ny/sf (BrainChild Records / Orgy / Heaven / Damn Management) Ian sf (BrainChild Records / Orgy / Transition) Brooke Marie sf (BrainChild Records / Orgy / Transition) Info >3.12 (Unix) ApacheJServ/1.1.2 Rewrit/1.1a FrontPage/4.0.4.3 PHP/4.0.3pl1 Last-Modified: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:35:48 GMT ETag: "1be75-2b-3a6c99a4" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Type: image/gif X-TS: 40B1AD3F~43 Age: 6 Via: HTTP/1.0 rb07 (Traffic-Server/4.0.4 [cSsNfU]) Location: Basement Entrance "Agenda", 399 South First St. "down town" San Jose 9pm - 2am | 21+up with ID Info: 1-800-561-1800 (industry - 408-292-8381) Contact: transition@brainchildentertainment.com --part1_6b.17680ad0.2888ef04_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69077-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 02:44:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6780 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 02:44:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6770 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 02:44:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.246.131] From: "Augie Dogg" To: invibe@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:43:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 02:43:45.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBF8B380:01C110C5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths thats crazy! they must have drankin' alot of it, eh? its a personal favorite of mine - the perfect combination of energy and a buzz(kinda like the hippie speedball) but anyways just be sure to know when to say when.... augie ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Brandon @ Invibe" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:41:33 -0700 scary article...but i'll be damned if i have to give up Red Bull (and vodka). On the web: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001240408,00.html text below. ------------- < Brandon > http://www.invibe.com ------------- THURSDAY JULY 12 2001 Red Bull under investigation after deaths FROM DAVID LISTER IN BRUSSELS AND SAM COATES RED BULL, the energy drink that has become popular among the over-worked and the over-partied, is under investigation in Sweden after reports that at least three people have died after consuming it. A public warning advising people not to take Red Bull mixed with alcohol nor to drink it after exercise has been issued by Sweden’s National Food Administration. The warning follows the deaths of at least three healthy men and women, all of whom are believed to have drunk Red Bull just before they died. Two of the victims, whose identities have not been released by the Swedish authorities, died after mixing the drink with vodka. The third died after taking several cans after a hard gym session. One of those who died, a woman in her early thirties, collapsed in a nightclub after just two cans of the drink mixed with vodka. Red Bull cannot be sold in stores in Norway, Denmark or France because it is classified as medicinal because of its high caffeine content. It could, however, be sold in pharmacies in those countries. For the time being the possible health risks of the drink are unlikely to take the gloss off its incredible success. After winning the Wimbledon men’s final on Monday, there was only one drink that could keep Goran Ivanisevic and friends celebrating into the night: Red Bull. Ivanisevic’s jubilant friends bought seven cans of Red Bull and mixed it with vodka to keep them going. The National Food Administration in Sweden confirmed yesterday that it had launched an investigation into Red Bull and other energy drinks to determine whether they were safe for consumption. Anders Glynn, from the organisation’s toxicology department and the head of the investigation, said that it would focus on the two main energy products in Red Bull — caffeine and taurine — and the effects of combining the two ingredients with alcohol. Mr Glynn said: “What we have is the suggestion that three people have died after drinking this substance, although there is no hard scientific evidence available on this yet. We will be looking at the death certificates and going through the autopspy reports to identify whether or not there is a link.” The National Food Administration will work with a team of at least four Swedish doctors led by Dan Andersson of Stockholm’s South Hospital. At least two of the victims are believed to have been patients at the hospital. Dr Andersson told Dagens Nyheter, a Swedish daily newspaper, that there appeared to be no proper explanation for the three deaths. “One other doctor had one case, I had one, and there was also one other. In all three cases we suspect that the patients had been drinking Red Bull,” he said. He gave a warning that it was particularly dangerous to take energy drinks after exercise. “If you drink a lot of Red Bull, if you are dried out and if you mix it with alcohol it can be very dangerous,” he told the paper. One of the victims, identified only as Therese, 31, by the Swedish press, had consumed just two cans of Red Bull when she collapsed on a dance floor in March. “Suddenly she just fell down beside me. Her heart had stopped and she was completely lifeless,” said her boyfriend, John Andersson, who said that doctors finally gave up trying to resuscitate her after using electric shock treatment 17 times in an attempt to restart her heart. It is not the first time that Red Bull has been blamed for health problems. Last year, Ross Cooney, 18, from Limerick, died of sudden adult death syndrome during a basketball match hours after he had consumed three cans of Red Bull. Although the inquest showed that he had thickened artery walls and had had a heart condition as a child, the coroner called for more research into the effects of Red Bull and other energy drinks. In April a study at Dublin’s St James Hospital found that two cans of the drink caused the arteries in the body to dilate and others to stiffen. Britain’s Food Standards Agency said it did not plan to launch an investigation into the effects of the drink. A spokeswoman for Red Bull insisted that the energy drink was safe with a strong 14-year record of safe products. “There had been rigorous scientific testing even before the drink came on the market,” she said. Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on Times Newspapers' standard terms and conditions. To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from The Times, visit the Syndication website. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69078-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 02:51:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13735 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 02:51:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13725 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 02:51:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720025101.26009.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tami Iida Reply-To: LiLTaiida22@yahoo.com To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: my wednesday night <> hey ALL!!!! I have to agree with Veanne. Last nite at Stereophonik/Killa subs @CActus was the bombest. When Rob, Proxy, Hak, and Das tore it up in the jungle room, I don't remember seeing the killa subz room bouncing with sooooo many junglists dancing all at once. It was Awesome! I was dancing my ass off in there and then I looked around and Everyone was dancing. not just a few people, but everyone around me was dancing. I was just bouncing back and forth from both rooms because I didn't want to miss anything. hehe :-) Denise, Thank you sooooo much for you're new tape. I love it. I can't get it out of my head. and when I'm near the stereo, I just have to play the tape. I fell asleep listening to that tape this morning, I woke up and listened to it somemore, and I listened to it in my car to and from work and school. I even have those beats stuck in my head and I'm like totally non stop dancing. Yeah, so anyways. Thanks Killasubz and Stereophonik crew and See ya next week. luv ya!!! *HUgz* *MU@H* ~~Tami :-) _______________________________________________________ Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** --- veanne wrote: > definitely agree with you there. both rooms at the > cactus club were slammin' > last night. as always, i was very impressed with dj > d's set. she had the > whole room brockin' out hardcore! > > do you guys realize how lucky we are to have this??? > and only for FIVE > BUCKS!! > > rawk on babeee! > -ve :) > > > > > > --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > >> hi people, > >> > >> well...i thought wednesday was gonna be another > >> boring day off from work. > >> so i decided to check out stereophonik and called > up > >> a friend. we got there > >> around 10ish....after a quik stop at mc donalds > =) > >> anyways, we got there and > >> saw some familiar faces....pat, andy and leon, > >> george, dillon, andy, jared, > >> and halley and a bunch of other people. i wasnt > >> really sure who were the > >> people who were spinning in the smaller room that > >> night...but they put on > >> some dope ass dnb...got me dancin, and i loved > it. > >> much props to killlasubz > >> and the djs. i wasnt sure who was spinning at the > >> main room...he had a white > >> shirt on that night...it was the guys before > >> denise...pretty dope...i dug > >> the trance and the hard house. and i saw denise > >> walk in...it was great > >> seein her again...she spun a ass kickin set...and > >> played thunderball..and > >> that one classic...pistolwhip. then came on leon > >> (leon cook) this is my > >> second time hearin this guy spin...and hes dope. > i > >> loved it when he threw > >> in the injected with a poison track...i havent > heard > >> that track in a > >> while...lifesaver. hehe. anyways, ya, i saw some > >> pretty cool peeps, and cool > >> dancers. o ya....there was this one old guy who > >> came in the middle of the > >> circle for like 2-3 times i think...hehe, props > to > >> him. i had fun dancin my > >> ass off...i havent danced like that in a while. > >> hopefully ill come back > >> sometime when telene comes on or whatever. > so....we > >> left till it > >> ended...got home around 2ish...didnt get to sleep > >> till 3...and had work this > >> morning at 10...just got back from work...and > damn > >> am i still tired and > >> sore. peace guys. i think i need a nap. thanks > >> again to stereophonik and > >> killasubz...and to jamie, leon, andy, and denise. > >> peace yo! > >> > >> > >> "that guy in the Frequency 8 t shirt" > >> .choco. > >> dj_choco@hotmail.com > >> "reality is for those who lack imagination; use > your > >> own imagination to make > >> your own reality." -words by choco > > - > : contact - > aim : mylai > email - swervin@mylai.com > homepage : www.mylai.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* ~~Tami :-) (408) 821-6012 ___________________________________________________________ Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69079-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 02:52:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17289 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 02:52:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17238 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 02:52:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <003601c110c6$ef2c2020$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "sfraves" , , "DJ D LIST" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:51:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1108C.2437FF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] CYBERFEST IS ALL AGES...!!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1108C.2437FF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cyberfest is an all ages event... it has always been an all ages event=20 and hopefully will always be an all ages event.. L8 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1108C.2437FF40-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-69080-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 02:58:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24045 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 02:58:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24035 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 02:58:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720025840.28760.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tami Iida Reply-To: LiLTaiida22@yahoo.com To: Kenny Truong , Sara Tsukamoto , Vitamin-C , Michael Webber , Mathew Yee , Melissa Yu , Bianca Shreiner , Spike , Joanna Stacey , Jinn Starr , Piers Sutton , Stephanie Ota , Peech~E , Jesekuh Lynn Price , Proxy , Reckless Ryan , Tara Richter , Lola Luv , Angela Malmstrom , Eric Malmstrom , Sophear Muong , Kenyon Newman , Melissa Mariko Iida , Josh Joyce , Alex Lazar , Ben Daniels , Melissa Danielson , Shawn Engleman , Jennifer Espinoza , Susan Handa , Matthew Hori , Charles Banzon , Colin , Scott Craine Cc: frequency-8@squinky.org, Sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Secret Society, Sun-Made, & Projekt OK, These Parties are gonna Rock and They are in the South Bay!!! WOOHOO!!!! ~*~*~SECRET SOCIETY - July 23rd, 2001~*~*~ a reunion of people - a revival of culture Chapter XXVII Mark your calendars for Justin Hale's 28th Birthday Bash with very special guest: MARKIE (Wicked) tag-team opening set MARK SILVA vs JUSTIN HALE Secret Society residents MICHAEL LIU ANDYW Visual enhlightenment: Terry @ Viberation Additional sound treatment: Brad @ 305 Sound Beginning at 9pm every Monday night 21+ ID required FREE Located at 3546 Flora Vista Ave in Santa Clara Society voicemail - 408.278.5211 *** Saturday, July 28th - Projekt: Neural Enlightenment On the night of July 28th, Projekt 9, Neuroscience Creations, and Illumination Records are conducting an experiment in psychedelic trance. Your musical journey will be provided by: DUTCH (Thump, Inner Eye) HIDRO-PONIK (Native:State, Tranzor-Z - San Diego) ATUM (Thump-Radio, Astral Tribe) MICHAEL LIU (Illumination Records, Secret Society) BLD (Techno) AEON (Theorem) NEUROPSYNTIST (Neuroscience Creations) All audio testing will be held in a 100% secure South Bay location with a limited capacity of 200. $5 pre-sales tickets available through Solid Grooves in Santa Clara CA or call 408.278.5211 for other outlets. All pre-sale ticket holders will receive a limited edition mixtape courtesy Neuroscience Creations and Illumination Records. Crisp Clean Sound provided by Neuroscience Creations. Mind bending atmospherics by Eyezmind. UV Flood by the one and only Black Light Dave. Also, a reminder that Secret Psychedelica v1.3 with ATUM and AEON will take at the Secret Society in Santa Clara CA on August 27th. www.nscreation.com 408.278.5211 *** the 2nd annual SUN-MADE Sunday - August 5th, 2001 - 10am-sunset A FREE OUTDOOR BBQ & MUSIC GATHERING brought to you by Urban Assault, Illumination Records, and Techno Sun-Made facts: Serving Size: 1 day August 5th, 2001 - 10am-sunset Fully permitted Sound provided by Neuroscience Creations 408.866.9333 Free giveaways from Urban Assault, Illumination Records, and Techno bbq, sand volleyball, horseshoe pits, hiking, plenty of shade and friends DJs Jesse Gonzalez - the Krate, Cen*Tech - Salinas Serg Rockwell - Clockwork Eventz, Vibe Within' Justin Hale - Secret Society, Simply Cosmic AndyW - Secret Society, Viberation, Resource Records Siphon - Urban Assault, KillaSubz, Viberation Das - Urban Assault, KillaSubz BLD - Techno Michael Liu - Illumination Records, Secret Society Additional information can be found at: 408.817.5670 www.killasubz.com www.urbanassault.org *** Into the light...upcoming events - more information available from michaelliu008@aol.com. July 27th - Alien Noise Klub (Neo Sapiens - Los Angeles CA) July 28th - Projekt: Neural Enlightenment (Neuroscience, Projeckt 9 - San Jose CA) July 30th - SECRET SOCIETY - Sun-Made pre-party (Santa Clara CA) August 3rd - (Oakland CA) August 5th - Sun-Made (San Jose CA) August 10th - Alien Noise Klub (Neo Sapiens - Los Angeles CA) August 12th - (Santa Clara CA) August 18th - Audio Dreams (Midnight Society - Tucson AZ) September 15th - Heart & Soul (Motivation LA - Los Angeles CA) September 22nd - EKG (Neo Sapiens - Los Angeles CA) December 22nd - Primal Trance 3 Year Anniversary (Neo Sapiens - Los Angeles CA) ==^==================================================== EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bUrJbb.bVQJNg Or send an email To: thesecretsociety-unsubscribe@topica.com This email was sent to: LiLTaiida22@yahoo.com T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==================================================== ===== Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* ~~Tami :-) (408) 821-6012 ___________________________________________________________ Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69081-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 03:23:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42118 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 03:23:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42108 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 03:23:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.26] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:23:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 03:23:22.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[544C8130:01C110CB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] .Construction lastnite. Lastnite was once again a good night of house music. we get there as the place is filling up, and left as the night was getting good. Having a 9-5 job has it's ups and downs. The night was once again off the hook. Music was great! People were great! I expect a lot more of you SFR's to be there next week. For those of you who keep bitchin about not having a 18+ venue to go dancing at, here it is! Hell, its free for us, why not take advantage of that?! Thanks again construction and nightlife, ill see you there next week! Peace, Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69082-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 03:30:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46157 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 03:30:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46147 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 03:30:39 -0000 Message-ID: <3B579812.9010503@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:31:46 -0700 From: Big Appetite User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Clean Plate Club - Saturday night - Chris Jackson vs AndyW Hope to see all you techno / tech-house fans (and hungry housecats) out Saturday night to show your support of the local scene. Thanks again to Andre Lucero and Nikola for their amazing performances last month. Absolutely crackin'! This month bib up and get ready for two of the Bay Area's most ruthless and notorious techno bangers to show off their warm and cuddly sides (heh heh) as they drop some of their deepest and funkiest tech wares. Fuck yeah. Peace and progress to all, ----> Greg "feedin' the need" Bird ====================================== big appetite presents.... CLEAN PLATE CLUB Saturday, July 21st (& every 3rd Saturday) An Sibin 1176 Sutter @ Polk, SF 21+ w/ ID 9pm - 2am $7 (free til 9:30) With tender and juicy guest DJs: ========= Chris Jackson vs. AndyW =========== resource records : sj | resource / viberation : sj 12:00-2:00 (the bay's favorite techno thumpers keepin' it deep and clean) ================ Chad Mindrive ================ erotishock / clean plate club 10:30-12:00 (deep tech-house maestro blowin' your mind every time) ============= Protolab - LIVE PA ============== exact-science / cybrid / aelectro 9:00-10:30 (spicy laptop appetizers from a 10yr production veteran) Get there early cuz this opening set will be delicious! ....And for all you die-hard house heads out there: Ooooh, girl, do we have a treat for you next month!!! STAY TUNED. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69083-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 03:36:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53943 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 03:36:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53925 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 03:36:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.81.80.107] From: "Sean M" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:36:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 03:36:25.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[274507A0:01C110CD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Holy shit Hotmail users ack!! what has happened to hotmail. the new set up is confusing. And i got like 50 junk messeges too. sean _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69084-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 03:44:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61828 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 03:44:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61818 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 03:44:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.221.187.237] From: "R Bronstein" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:44:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 03:44:08.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B530B10:01C110CE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Need a track identified Who sings the house/trance song that goes like "I wanna be a porn star." Do you have any idea? Thanks Rach =} _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69085-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 04:04:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73828 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 04:04:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73818 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 04:04:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:08:23 -0700 From: Jacob - SFDance To: Sfraves Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Upgraded Newsletter- Non-techies delete For those of you who run newsletters or are interested... SFDance upgraded its newsletter- the new signup form can be viewed here: http://www.sfdance.org/subscribe/ bCentral List Builder seems very good and the stats it gives are amazing. It even lets you send a sample email to yourself (the newsletter writer) to preview any HTML versions you send. But, for a free newsletter it is very expensive for us to use:( What did other people do for their lists? -Jacob ------------------- Thanks for supporting the dance community! SFDance Weekly Dance Music/Rave Events Newsletter http://www.sfdance.org/subscribe/ Sign up to receive a weekly announcement list of San Francisco dance music/community events. Do you dance to the sound of your washing machine? http://www.sfdance.org/ ------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69086-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 05:07:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14658 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 05:07:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14643 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 05:07:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.206.168.15] From: "'LoOnDrOp' ......" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:07:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 05:07:01.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF45A480:01C110D9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] mrr: paging Paul from Stilldream hey paul try to give me an email so we san talk if ya get a chance.... BTW i think if anyone who is reading this is also on sac raves please forward it to the list... -LoOnDrOp "If my life could be compared to a video game, it would have to be Pac-Man...running around in dark rooms, grooving to cool tunes, and munching on lttle pills" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69087-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 06:24:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53551 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 06:24:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53541 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 06:24:58 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.e9c34fa.288928ac@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:24:44 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Mardi Gras 2 pictures???? Hi everyone Gianni here, Do any of you have Mardi Gras 2 pictures? If so please respond privately. Thanks!!! Gianni :0) djgianni.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69088-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 06:39:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63508 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 06:39:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63498 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 06:39:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720063932.97183.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:39:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Princess Arielle To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Club Matrix West grand opening 7/20 and FREE CD giveaway! Hello all! Just wanna announce a new club opening up in Oakland on Friday nights. Yours truly (Ariel Cybana) will be giving out FREE CD's to at least 400 peeps just for showing up. It's of my Cataclysm CD and if you want to hear it, goto my website www.arielcybana.com. On 7/27 Morgan and Elemental will be playing as well as myself, Elz and Stevie B. Any questions regarding this club should be addressed to the phone line listed below (DO NOT reply to me as I am only a mere messenger). take care, ariel ****** BEGIN TRANSMISSION ****** Spin Knowledge Presents Club Matrix West A New Weekly Event Every Friday located at 1803 Webster Street in the City of Oakland Friday July 20th 2001 -9:00pm – 4am -$20/Door -18 and Over + ID -500 Capacity -Fully Permitted -Plenty of Free Parking -One Block from the 19th Street Bart Station -Two Large Dance Rooms -Outdoor Smoking Area -Free CD Give-a-way by Ariel Cybana Titled Cataclysm -INFO (510) 596-8909 Room 1 – Trance/Hard House/NRG Ariel Cybana (www.ArielCybana.com, www.spinknowledge.com) DJ Reese (www.LiquidVinylDJS.com, www.spinknowledge.com) DJ Charlie (www.Ravepictures.net) DJ Roman (www.spinknowledge.com) Reclipse Room 2 – House/Tech House/Hard House Rick V (In The Mixx/Clockwork Sac.) Lewis (www.spinknowledge.com, Knowledge Recordings) Jayvi Velasco (Groove Industry) Stevie B (Peak Productions, www.spinknowledge.com) ELZ (Peak Productions, www.spinknowledge.com) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69089-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 07:16:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81449 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 07:16:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81439 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 07:16:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:21:58 -0700 From: Brynne and Hernan In-reply-to: <995586987.1177.ezmlm@hyperreal.org> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] N.R.R. Be your own news agency A couple big events (Genoa 120,000 protesters) are coming up that you may want to pay attention to. The mainstream media will not properly report either event, but you can find out what is really going on. Please forward any information you find interesting to people you feel may not be getting the story in it's fullest. Also this first URL is for a movie about the Seattle WTO protests. (please don't rely on any one media to form your opinions, digest as much information as you can and form your own opinion. It is only with information rich individual opinions that freedom can take root. ) http://www.thisisdemocracy.org/index2.html http://seattle.indymedia.org/ http://www.whirledbank.org click on "Online Banking" - it's priceless! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69090-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 08:50:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18192 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 08:50:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18181 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 08:50:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [192.25.142.22] From: "rachel fulton" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:50:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C110BE.49ABC8B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 08:50:02.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6E04030:01C110F8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Flame Wars - The New Generation Soap Opera ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C110BE.49ABC8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A site dedictated to the drama that simultaneously entertains and drags = us down.... http://www.flame4cash.com/ You may now refer to me as the Almighty Conossiuer of Shit Talking = Goddess enjoy? Got a flame itching to be sent my way....heh bring it on baby Buwwhahhaha (my best attempt at an evil laugh - Admit it you're = intimidated!) ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C110BE.49ABC8B0-- From sfraves-return-69091-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 08:54:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20808 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 08:54:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20798 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 08:54:06 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [192.25.142.22] From: "rachel fulton" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:53:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C110BE.C7C45CD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 08:53:32.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[7463E750:01C110F9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Flame Wars! Opps! ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C110BE.C7C45CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meant to send this one: http://www.flame4cash.com/mission.html It's a mission to find the best flamers....though some of you might be = interested...please disregard the previous idiotic post with the wrong = link inserted......I think that I just flamed on my self heh rachie rach ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C110BE.C7C45CD0-- From sfraves-return-69092-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 09:22:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31283 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 09:22:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31268 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 09:22:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:22:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200107200922.CAA11981@mail10.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.213.184] From: "dj huey" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ATTN House Heads We are only one week away from Fiesta July 27th 2001. We are really excited about this event. We have a virgin SF all ages permitted location. Line up: Ty Tel (casa del sol, denver) Ty has to be one of my all time fav dj's. If you havn't had the chance to hear , don't miss out!!! Joey Mazzola (solmatic records) Enouph said.............. Ron Reeser (clockwork eventz) his hard funky beats keep every groovin DJ Torque (nlp) this white boy gots that dirty stomp Allen Craig (nlp)his mixing is off the hook and of course only on 3 decks Dj Huey(nlp) you know how we do it :) Rudy G(bad puppy) this up and coming dj knows how to rock da house Sound by JK, lighting by raven and Brian B from chicago for decor. All our dj's will be rocken it on 3 decks :) so come out and support the SF house comunity. $20.00 Tickets available at skills, housewares and solid grooves. hone in>>>>>>>>415-721-4610 ------------------------------------------------------------ [- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69093-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 10:44:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78266 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 10:44:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78256 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 10:44:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720104449.60343.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:44:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: sf raves , F 8 Cc: dj_das@hotmail.com, "Soul A." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] my thursday night review (hope it's not to long 4 u Jacob) I wasn't really going to go, but my horoscope said that I should go out tonight and meet new people. O.k. so i went to check out psychotica (did i spell that right). anyhow, I had told jess (prism one) that i would go so I did and I'm glad i went. Yes I still have love for Acme and all they have done for Blakes on what is now Thursday nights and not Wednesday. But all in all i still had a fabulous time this night. And from what i have gathered psychotica was fine with their Sunday night slots and the owners told them they now had to share the Thursday night gigs. but whatever i choose to remain neutral on the matter cause i love them both. So on with my night. Got in as Allen (sorry i don't know your dj name) was on and he was throwing down some REALLY hard nrg. OMG i have never heard anything like it before, really got the night going for me. a little dnb came on a was and i was still feeling the vibe. The crowd was great in my opinion. O.k. so went outside to catch some air and saw OSBY (I did not go to high school with everyone BTW), and got to meet the infamous deepfrog. Hope you liked "my quote". and DJ das, and Audrey who where having a civil conversation about the whole sharing night thing. Kitty was there too. Saw Christoff everywhere in that place as usual. Dj M was chilling inside so i said my hellos to him and Faruk. O.k and met this really cool guy Glenn who I hope will go to club universe with me some night, cause if not i am taking ciara. Reina and I had way to much fun drinking together, checking out the people in the club. I swear we are a dangerous pair. (hey did you see, our favorite transvestite showed up. God i love that chick) Caught wind that Prism one was on and I rushed down to catch his set, and what a set it was. I could not stop grooving to his sound. Props to you Jesse for that. Das was up next and he played some more dnb for everyone. yea!! I dunno if i even got to hear megatron I was hoping too. I heard he was spinning there tonight, but I had to leave early cause the people i came with where getting tired. ~_~. But i loved the set up. A really awesome decorating job, with the bamboos and nets and rice paper lamps. Well that's it guys. Had a great time meeting new ppl and all. I will be there next Thursday for Jeno. hurrah!!! So i hope to see more of you guys there. Your little Star Jamie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69094-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 12:03:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5493 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 12:03:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5472 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 12:03:32 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: <115.1eac84f.288972fa@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:41:46 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **BSP** Where's Gianni this week??????? www.djgianni.com Hi everyone Gianni here, This week I'll be at: **FRIDAY JULY 20th** ((((((((((((((NIKITA)))))))))))) WHOOOOOOOO HOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is going to be a kick-ass Nikita!!!! Come out to see one of the worlds most sought after DJ's from UK..... TALL PAUL Whooo Hoooo!!! I can't wait to see him. Also playing is Simon from 4-6 (Check out Simons new track on Bedrock records It ROCKS!!!!!) Troy Roberts will be upstairs tearing shit up!!! I'll be opening from 11-1 before Tall Paul which means..... ORANGE CRUSHES from 1-1:45!!! WHOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!!! See you there!!! 21+ 9pm-6am www.spundae.com **SATURDAY JULY 21** ((((((((((((((((AREA 51))))))))))))) Crop Circles in the Sun - THEUNITEDSTATESWESTENDMASSIVE Well Usually I post everyone who's playing but since just about everyone IS playing at this I'll just say that if you don't go you'll be missing out on one hell of an event!!!! I'm not sure when I'm playing but I'll be there all night (AT THE 21+ AREA with my good pal Corona!!!) See you there!! Come out as Harmony transforms over 300,000 square feet of prime SF real estate into an event called AREA 51. For the last 2 years have been planning and building up the anticipation for the first AREA 51 of the new Millennium! This is it! Join over 25,000 members of the global dance community and prepare yourself for the best AREA 51 of all time! This 14 hour interplanetary gathering will feature: *Seven massive themed dance arenas full of intergalactic artwork, *Over 50 world class djs, producers, and mc's. *The most amazing interactive production to ever be experienced at an event of this nature, *Subconscious ultra-violet inversion, *Multi-color dual hyper-velocity proton beams, *Full-spectrum protoplasmic tacyon fields, *Subsonic servo drivers, *Triple-radiant robotic lighting, *Extra-terrestrial illumination *Mind altering astral projections, *Hyperactive digital imagery, *Space Divas, *Giant alien visitors whom you only see, if you believe, *21+ full service alien space port, *Friendly security team featuring the MIB, *All aliens 18 lt-yrs or older are welcome! http://www.thump-radio.com/area51 Wherever you go please have a safe and fun weekend!!!! Gianni :0) djgianni.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69095-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 14:40:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24281 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 14:40:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24269 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 14:40:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.163.50.184] From: "Entice Productions" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:39:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 14:39:56.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8634400:01C11129] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [Event] Terrence Parker, $10! Entice Productions Lexington, KY http://www.entice.nu entice_productions@hotmail.com


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Entice Productions Lexington, KY http://www.entice.nu entice_productions@hotmail.com On Friday, September 7, 2001... Entice Productions will be hosting our fourth event, RISE; a new beginning ! This will not only be a birthday celebration for our close friend Bruce Noe, a.k.a. DJ Tig, and our own Amanda King, but to also benefit the University of Kentucky's Children's Hospital by taking charitable items at the door, as well as assisting SAFEBaSS in their ongoing battle to educate our peers about the electronic music scene and encourage our culture to "be the vibe". LINE-UP Terrence Parker >> Detroit, MI http://www.terrenceparker.com One of the prime producers of soulful house music with an edge, Terrence Parker blends a wealth of influences (from techno, soul, disco, jazz and even downtempo) to give his recordings and live performances a unique flavor. DJ Bliss >> Baltimore, MD http://www.inertiarecordgroup.com This internationally known DJ & producer will have his Lexington debut just days after completing his 3rd European tour. Bliss is known for his flawless skills & musical selection, merging styles from funky techno to tribal house... he's sure to make an amazing first impression. Johnny P. >> Indianapolis, IN This up and coming happy hardcore DJ will be sure to leave a dent in your eardrums as he brings the sound of the underground back to Lexington. e21 >> Atlanta, GA This transitional house to trance DJ has played dates all over the south east. Now moving into the midwest scene and making his Lexington debut, he is proving that house isn't always soft and smooth and that trance isn't always fluffy. Yadah >> Atlanta, GA This darker side of the dnb DJ has sent his crowds into awe inspiring trances as they watch him manipulate the music, the decks, the crowd, and the wax. Don't miss this hot Atlanta DJ in his first apperance in Lexington. DJ Kell >> Lexington, KY This veteren Lexinton DJ who expertly blends house, disco, techno and breakbeats into a unique collage of aggressive rhythms, will be making a very rare appearance at Rise. He is a definate must see! Tig >> Lexington, KY A member of Spirutual Krack Laboratory, who are known quite well for experimental sound manipulations in the Midwest, will tweak reality for you to begin your journey into a wonderful evening. It's also his birthday, so gifts are welcome..... Lil' Cory >> Lexington, KY One of Lexington's best kept secrets, Lil' Cory will be teaming up with Mutt to bring you an amazing deep house set. Mutt >> Lexington, KY Mutt is coming out of a long hiatus to join Lil' Cory at the tables to bring you on a deep, soulful ride into house RIGHT OF ADMISSION REFUSAL IN FULL EFFECT CAPACITY Capacity of this event is limited, so please come early. Doors open at 9:00 pm and close at 6:30 am. Due to the issue with limited capacity, there will be no re-entry (special circumstances will be allowed). ADMISSION COST Cost of admission is $10 with a stuffed animal, $15 without. All stuffed animals must be new/next to new. We will not accept stuffed animals that are dirty, falling apart or with a large amount of damage. VENDING/GUEST LIST REQUEST All vending/guest list requests must be made via email at info@entice.nu Vending/guest list is a first come first serve basis, and spots are limited. All vending and guest list requests are due by 08.21.01, any requests made after 08.21.01 will not be honored. FLYER http://www.entice.nu/images/risefront.jpg http://www.entice.nu/images/riseback.jpg _______________________________________________________________________ Entice Productions Lexington, KY http://www.entice.nu entice_productions@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69096-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 14:55:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44066 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 14:55:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44050 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 14:55:31 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Buzz" To: "SF Raves" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:54:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SRR: Finish this song You have a heart of gold A precious jewel to which I was sold { enter line here and keep going } Just getting some liveliness, its almost 8, wake up! =) - Buzz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69097-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 15:01:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54094 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 15:01:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54082 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 15:01:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Fri) ... Once you're safely in the mall, you should tie your children to you with ropes so the other shoppers won't try to buy them. Holiday shoppers have been whipped into a frenzy by months of holiday advertisements, and they will buy anything small enough to stuff into a shopping bag. If your children object to being tied, threaten to take them to see Santa Claus; that ought to shut them up. -- Dave Barry, "Christmas Shopping: A Survivor's Guide" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69098-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 15:01:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55362 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 15:01:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55343 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 15:01:45 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Buzz" To: "SF Raves" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:00:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! Once again, I'm asking, who is going to Electric Jello? This party is going to be off the hook, from the lighting to the lineup, you know you want to go! Since I haven't changed, look for the white guy with the curly hair. I'm all about the blue pants and light blue shirt tonight and a big camera. Don't just read this and move on if you're going, let's meet! =) Not wanting to work, - Buzz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69099-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 15:10:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63269 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 15:10:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63250 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 15:10:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:08:15 -0700 From: Dragn'fly To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <005c01c1112d$cd70b240$0607fea9@poonie> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_VW+lixWdflyQYp01WBIhCg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Dragn'fly & Rikki tonight at Activate --Boundary_(ID_VW+lixWdflyQYp01WBIhCg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Where: The Light - 839 Geary, SF When: 5-10 pm (I'm on from 7:30 - 8:30) How much: I read somewhere that it's $4 AFTER 7pm Who else is playing: Residents Brian Cox & Kylen. Then me. Then Rikki. Be there or be octoganal! ; ) ~dina o)(--- www.djdragnfly.com dragnfly@djdragnfly.com --Boundary_(ID_VW+lixWdflyQYp01WBIhCg)-- From sfraves-return-69100-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 15:32:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83926 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 15:32:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83915 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 15:32:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.218.94.202] From: "electric joy boy" Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:32:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 15:32:16.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[280A7C10:01C11131] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Mainstream dance music recognition (NY-Times) So I just noticed that the New York Times has started posting the week's top 10 dance music singles, determined by dance club popularity! http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts/AP-Music-Charts.html I know, that it's just a reprint of a Billboard chart but I think it demonstrates more mainstream recognition of our music (even though I don't listen to half of this music) It also demonstrates how hip the the Times is getting. First color photos, then this, next a pro-communist or anti-globalization stance! I hope everyone has a great weekend, Ben Hot Dance Music -- Club Play (Compiled from a national sample of dance club playlists) 1. ``Keep Control,'' Sono. Groovilicious. 2. ``Live To Tell,'' Lucrezia. Logic. 3. ``Never Enough,'' Boris Dlugosch (feat. Roisin). MSU. 4. ``Play,'' Jennifer Lopez. Epic. 5. ``Lady Marmalade,'' Christina Aguilera, Lil' Kim, Mya & Pink. Interscope. 6. ``I Got My Pride,'' Barry Harris (feat. Pepper Mashay). Tommy Boy Silver Label. 7. ``Planets Of The Universe,'' Stevie Nicks. Reprise. 8. ``We Come 1,'' Faithless. Cheeky/Arista. 9. ``Someone To Call My Lover,'' Janet. Virgin. 10. ``Sunshine,'' Tin Star. V2. --- http://bhidalgo.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69101-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 15:33:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85351 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 15:33:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85323 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 15:33:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:31:52 -0700 From: Dragn'fly To: Fat -S1 , sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <000b01c11131$19f46000$0607fea9@poonie> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: BSP: Dragn'fly & Rikki tonight at Activate Oh yeah. It is! Woops. 'Tis too early in da' morn' for me! ; ) `dina o)(--- www.djdragnfly.com dragnfly@djdragnfly.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fat -S1" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 8:19 AM Subject: Re: BSP: Dragn'fly & Rikki tonight at Activate > Is this 21+ ? > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Dragn'fly > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: BSP: Dragn'fly & Rikki tonight at Activate > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:08:15 -0700 > > Where: The Light - 839 Geary, SF > When: 5-10 pm (I'm on from 7:30 - 8:30) > How much: I read somewhere that it's $4 AFTER 7pm > Who else is playing: Residents Brian Cox & Kylen. Then me. Then Rikki. > > Be there or be octoganal! > > ; ) > ~dina > > o)(--- > www.djdragnfly.com > dragnfly@djdragnfly.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69102-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 16:01:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9684 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 16:01:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9664 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 16:01:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:58:49 -0700 From: Dragn'fly To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <016d01c11134$dd90a3e0$0607fea9@poonie> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nDIOwaR6VXaOl2/Qcx2g3Q)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: PC Photoshop artist wanted for beta testing! --Boundary_(ID_nDIOwaR6VXaOl2/Qcx2g3Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT An associate of mine is looking for someone to test some beta version of some visual plug-ins he is writing. PC Photoshop artists is who he is looking for (not Mac). If you can help him out, then please respond to him directly. His name is Dave Scruton and he can be reached at: fractal@maui.net Thanks, ; ) ~dina o)(--- www.djdragnfly.com dragnfly@djdragnfly.com --Boundary_(ID_nDIOwaR6VXaOl2/Qcx2g3Q)-- From sfraves-return-69103-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 16:46:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43137 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 16:46:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43125 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 16:46:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: , "SF Raves" References: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:46:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 16:46:16.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E767680:01C1113B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! Hey hey hey! Molly and myself *might* be going... we are still trying to figure out the whole dinero thing... =( we're moving in another month and definately need to watch what we spend... but if i go, i'll look for you... i just got a haircut, and it's a considerable amount shorter, so anyone who knows me, might be alittle surprised! =) Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzz" To: "SF Raves" Sent: July 20, 2001 8:00 AM Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! > Once again, I'm asking, who is going to Electric Jello? This party is going > to be off the hook, from the lighting to the lineup, you know you want to > go! > > Since I haven't changed, look for the white guy with the curly hair. I'm all > about the blue pants and light blue shirt tonight and a big camera. > > Don't just read this and move on if you're going, let's meet! > > =) Not wanting to work, > > - Buzz > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69104-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 16:59:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56439 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 16:59:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56426 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 16:59:43 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c1113d$c8ff0d00$100110ac@thenoid> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Cheese" , , "SF Raves" References: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:02:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! What's the info on this party? Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: ; "SF Raves" Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! > Hey hey hey! Molly and myself *might* be going... we are still trying to > figure out the whole dinero thing... =( we're moving in another month and > definately need to watch what we spend... but if i go, i'll look for you... > i just got a haircut, and it's a considerable amount shorter, so anyone who > knows me, might be alittle surprised! =) > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Buzz" > To: "SF Raves" > Sent: July 20, 2001 8:00 AM > Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! > > > > Once again, I'm asking, who is going to Electric Jello? This party is > going > > to be off the hook, from the lighting to the lineup, you know you want to > > go! > > > > Since I haven't changed, look for the white guy with the curly hair. I'm > all > > about the blue pants and light blue shirt tonight and a big camera. > > > > Don't just read this and move on if you're going, let's meet! > > > > =) Not wanting to work, > > > > - Buzz > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69105-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 17:06:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61848 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 17:06:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61837 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 17:06:07 -0000 From: "The TieDyed Side of the Force" To: , , Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:04:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Talkin' w/ Brandon > From: Apollo [mailto:apollo@speakeasy.org] > > > So yeah, Who would you take to a Rave? Famous or not! > > > > Ken Kesey and his Pranksters, along with the Kool Aid. > > Apollo Mickey Hart and Bob Braylove, along with their gear. Ride the Music AndyTiedye --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69106-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 17:12:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70381 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 17:12:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70371 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 17:12:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720171237.25718.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:12:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: buzz@allied.org, SF Raves In-Reply-To: <001401c1113d$c8ff0d00$100110ac@thenoid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! yeah, yeah. i am still considering about this party. There are alot of If's tonight. I am hoping to make it cause, there are a few people I would like to see. If I do you know I will say hi Buzz. --- Eckö wrote: > What's the info on this party? > Nick > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > http://www.core-nrg.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheese" > To: ; "SF Raves" > > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! > > > > Hey hey hey! Molly and myself *might* be going... > we are still trying to > > figure out the whole dinero thing... =( we're > moving in another month > and > > definately need to watch what we spend... but if i > go, i'll look for > you... > > i just got a haircut, and it's a considerable > amount shorter, so anyone > who > > knows me, might be alittle surprised! =) > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Buzz" > > To: "SF Raves" > > Sent: July 20, 2001 8:00 AM > > Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! > > > > > > > Once again, I'm asking, who is going to Electric > Jello? This party is > > going > > > to be off the hook, from the lighting to the > lineup, you know you want > to > > > go! > > > > > > Since I haven't changed, look for the white guy > with the curly hair. I'm > > all > > > about the blue pants and light blue shirt > tonight and a big camera. > > > > > > Don't just read this and move on if you're > going, let's meet! > > > > > > =) Not wanting to work, > > > > > > - Buzz > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69107-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 17:19:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79380 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 17:19:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79363 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 17:19:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720171921.97259.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: "Macadio G." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SADE concert review Sade is cool. you are lucky you got to see her live. i love her latest release...you can hear it everywhere too... i've been shopping at the pharmacy for beauty care products (again...i have A LOT...i want more...greed)...and they play her on their stereo system. she has a very smooth voice. since i sing, i like to learn technique from listening to different voices sometimes, and she is one of my favorites. :) --- "Macadio G." wrote: > WOW!!, > > What can I say awesome concert for those of you that > were there you know > what im talking about.. The band solo about 20 min > into the concert was > awesome and the sultry seductive voice and moves of > SADE just had me going.. > Her songs sounded better live in then on most of the > Records I have of > hers.. And also the debut of her King of sorrow > video which I had never seen > before since I don't watch Mindless Television oppps > My bad I mean MTV.. > Nice use of the lighting as well. > > Overall nice show just way to packed it was at > capacity the whole time. That > part was not to fun but what do you expect from a > fablous artist that takes > an 8 year break then comes back even stronger then > before she left.. > > Peace, > Macadio > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69108-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 17:29:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94885 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 17:29:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94875 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 17:29:09 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:38:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11108.28128F00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO! ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11108.28128F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey you know I will be there, and plans have changed, bringing a friend from sac named Tessa, first rave in the bay, be sure to say hi, I will be sporting my pimp hat, and her tall with short blonde hair, big smile. Hope to see you Jamie, Ecko, I think we have met through Amy, Cheese, and Buzz..Have a great day, and see you all tonight…PS I guess I am now going to Area 51, wasn’t planning on it, but it just happened. I will see you all there, rumors are going around like wildfire about the venue, as well as problems with the venue, but hey isn’t that the fun part :-) Magick ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11108.28128F00-- From sfraves-return-69109-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 17:36:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4499 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 17:36:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4464 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 17:36:32 -0000 From: "donbrannon" To: "SF Raves" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:46:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] SRR: Finish this song Boomerang, where are you? I added my two lines... (one is never enough for a good flow) -----Original Message----- From: Buzz [mailto:buzz@dazedandconfused.com] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:54 AM To: SF Raves Subject: [sfraves] SRR: Finish this song You have a heart of gold A precious jewel to which I was sold But your email thread like da panties wit' mold You told an sfr newbie to swallow pills untold { enter line here and keep going } Just getting some liveliness, its almost 8, wake up! =) - Buzz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69110-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 17:37:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5975 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 17:37:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5961 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 17:37:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720173725.88487.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: girlcat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr - genoa protests for anyone who didn't see brynne and hernan's message earlier, there's about 100,000 people, i think, in genoa, italy protesting the meeting of the G8. check out www.indymedia.org or www.italia.indymedia.org for more info. here's the intro blurb from www. indymedia.org. Tens of Thousands Protest G8 in Genoa Between 70,000 and 100,000 people are in the streets of Genoa, Italy, to express dissent against the closed meetings of the Group of 8. The 'G8' - the leaders of the world's most economically powerful countries, meets yearly to discuss general international policy direction. Demonstrators from all over Europe have converged on Genoa to present alternative visions of the way the world's population could undo poverty, inequality and environmental disintegration. The Genoa Social Forum has hosted movements and groups from around the world, which have spoken of alternatives to the current destructive economic policies pursued by Western governments. Yesterday over 50,000 were in streets to state their protest for, and offer alternatives to, worldwide immigration policy (see feature on "border camps" below). protests at the G8 meeting mark a climax of the European Summer of Reistance which has included festivals and demonstrations around the continent in places like Goteborg, Sweden, Barcelona, Salzburg, Austria and Bonn, Germany, (see climate conference feature below), to express dissent against the current form of so-called "globalization" and to move toward different forms of global unity. update 17:11 GMT, July 20: Demonstrators are using varying tactics in Genoa, including parades, signs, non-violent civil disobedience and more direct action to break through the "Red Zone" security barrier. Indymedia has received confirmed reports of one male dead at the hands of Italian police. Reports indicate that the death was the result of the 20 year old man's being shot with a tear gas canister launched at his head. Stay tuned to IMC Italy for up-to-the-minute updates of the G8 street protests. Other European IMCs providing detailed coverage include: * IMC-France * IMC-UK * IMC-Belgium * IMC-Barcelona * IMC-Switzerland * IMC-Germany * IMC-Austria * IMC-Sweden IMC-Brasil and CMI Argentina are also providing detailed coverage of anti-G8 solidarity actions and other events from South America, as well as providing accounts from Genoa. Cobertura en Español de las protestas de Genova, durante el 19, 20 y 21 de Julio. Vea CMI Argentina. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69111-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 17:43:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14583 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 17:43:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14566 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 17:43:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:41:31 -0700 From: Dragn'fly To: donbrannon , SF Raves Message-id: <001601c11143$36767b20$0607fea9@poonie> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: Finish this song he he he ----- Original Message ----- From: "donbrannon" To: "SF Raves" Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: RE: [sfraves] SRR: Finish this song > Boomerang, where are you? I added my two lines... (one is never enough for a > good flow) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Buzz [mailto:buzz@dazedandconfused.com] > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:54 AM > To: SF Raves > Subject: [sfraves] SRR: Finish this song > > > You have a heart of gold > A precious jewel to which I was sold > But your email thread like da panties wit' mold > You told an sfr newbie to swallow pills untold > Ah - look at db, being so bold > Not hidin' the fact that his raver ass is so old > > > Just getting some liveliness, its almost 8, wake up! =) > > - Buzz > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69112-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 17:44:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17026 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 17:44:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16844 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 17:44:28 -0000 Message-ID: <012301c11144$41290460$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , , , , References: <0.900011119.1529932108-738719082-995467801@topica.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:48:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0120_01C11109.8C25A620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **UPDATE** Police Raid in St Louis ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C11109.8C25A620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From AJ Cook, Director, DanceSafe St Louis. *** We want to thank you for your support! =20 Numerous calls from Major Media and watchdog groups as well as = supporters and well wishers have been rolling in from across the country = since the announcement of this was first made! The actions of the police have shown us that we have to fight for what = we believe in and that is what we are doing! We had a private meeting = between the ACLU and promoters in St. Louis last night to come up with a = strategic plan on dealing with the War on Raves here in St. Louis. We have decided to start an emergency Organization. We want to make it = possible for people from around the country to take the action we have. = We will not stand for the blatant violation of raver's rights across = America. The federal government will not succeed in controlling a = sub-culture. The time to mobilize and fight is now. Again thank you! More info to follow... =20 AJ Cook Director St. Louis DanceSafe 314-731-7752 dancesafe@stlouisraver.com Bryan Oley E-Board Admin National Office Representative DanceSafe.org bryan@dancesafe.org 916-224-6170 Cell ~Because Sometimes What You Dont Know, CAN hurt you~ ~Promoting Safety in the Rave and Nightclub Communities~ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bryan Oley=20 To: sacraves@hyperreal.org ; sfraves@hyperreal.org ; = frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org ; projectplur@topica.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: Police Raid Party For Drugs, Come up empty Handed, Detain 150 = for 2 1/2 hours On Saturday, July 14th, a rave party was raided in Potosi, Missouri. = This event was to benefit St. Louis DanceSafe and Big Brothers and Big = Sisters of America.=20 At approximately 8:45, at least 20 or 30 police cars, two fire trucks, = two ambulances, a paddy wagon, a prison bus, five K-9 units, and a = helicopter converged on the party. Over one hundred and fifty = individuals were rounded up, and detained against their will for about = two and a half hours. Their vehicles, tents and person (pockets, shoes, = hair) were searched without consent. They were informed that if they = refused searches they would be arrested. Minors were questioned without = a legal guardian present. Two puppies were maced when curiosity brought = them too close to the drug dogs.=20 Those attending the event were peaceful throughout the entire process = (the officers mentioned the fire trucks were there just in case the = ravers started "firebombing the police"). DanceSafe director AJ Cook was = loudly reading the ACLU rights card, and many witnesses heard officers = yelling that they had to arrest him to keep him quiet. Cook and others = requested to see a copy of the warrant, and were refused.=20 This event occurred the night after another rave at the same venue. = The affidavits from the undercover officers present the first night = cited massive drug activity, including cocaine, methamphetamine, and = syringes. There were "kids using every kind of drug you can imagine," = said Washington County Sheriff Gary Yount. The warrant also mentioned = "rumor" that the $2 bottled water contained ecstasy. This blatantly = embellished data, along with a falsified claim that the property owner = had registered a complaint against the event, was the basis for a = fraudulent warrant to raid the event and confiscate the supposed drugs = and drug paraphernalia.=20 The results of this massive illegal search were three misdemeanor drug = charges, and a warrant served for a traffic offense. The sheriff = commented, "we didn't find too much," and "I swear there were drugs = there the night before".=20 Though we may take some solace in how foolish those responsible for = this travesty now appear, it does not compensate for the utter = abrogation of responsibility that law enforcement showed in their intent = and execution of this raid. They not only wasted many thousands of = dollars of taxpayers money, they ruthlessly trampled the rights of = American citizens who traveled to this charity event from around the = country.=20 One attendee who drove from Wisconsin had his prized photo album = confiscated as evidence. It contained over 250 photos and was carried in = remembrance of all the friends he has made. Tents, cars and personal = property were trashed as the search became more frantic. "We have to = find something" witnesses repeatedly heard officers yelling.=20 The ACLU has taken an active interest in this debacle, as have police = abuse watchdog groups. At this time, statements, photos and video are = being collected from attendees. The local rave community, which numbers = in the thousands, has mobilized over this event. It has become clear = that it is time to stand up for our rights.=20 Legal action is looming.=20 =3D=3D^=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84wax.a9iR7Q Or send an email To: projectplur-unsubscribe@topica.com This email was sent to: kandymanz@earthlink.net T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register =3D=3D^=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C11109.8C25A620-- From sfraves-return-69113-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 17:47:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22926 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 17:47:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22886 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 17:47:30 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B586F08.7A1F8955@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:48:56 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: girlcat CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010720173725.88487.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr - genoa protests i just finished reading about how riot police shot and killed a protesor who threw a fire extinguisher at a van.. after they shot him, the van ran him over http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010720/ts/mdf26681.html this shit makes me fill ill nima girlcat wrote: > for anyone who didn't see brynne and hernan's message > earlier, there's about 100,000 people, i think, in > genoa, italy protesting the meeting of the G8. check > out www.indymedia.org or www.italia.indymedia.org for > more info. > > here's the intro blurb from www. indymedia.org. > > Tens of Thousands Protest G8 in Genoa > > Between 70,000 and 100,000 people are in the streets > of Genoa, Italy, to express dissent against the closed > meetings of the Group of 8. The 'G8' - the leaders of > the world's most economically powerful countries, > meets yearly to discuss general international policy > direction. Demonstrators from all over Europe have > converged on Genoa to present alternative visions of > the way the world's population could undo poverty, > inequality and environmental disintegration. The Genoa > Social Forum has hosted movements and groups from > around the world, which have spoken of alternatives to > the current destructive economic policies pursued by > Western governments. Yesterday over 50,000 were in > streets to state their protest for, and offer > alternatives to, worldwide immigration policy (see > feature on "border camps" below). protests at the G8 > meeting mark a climax of the European Summer of > Reistance which has included festivals and > demonstrations around the continent in places like > Goteborg, Sweden, Barcelona, Salzburg, Austria and > Bonn, Germany, (see climate conference feature below), > to express dissent against the current form of > so-called "globalization" and to move toward different > forms of global unity. > update 17:11 GMT, July 20: Demonstrators are using > varying tactics in Genoa, including parades, signs, > non-violent civil disobedience and more direct action > to break through the "Red Zone" security barrier. > Indymedia has received confirmed reports of one male > dead at the hands of Italian police. Reports indicate > that the death was the result of the 20 year old man's > being shot with a tear gas canister launched at his > head. > Stay tuned to IMC Italy for up-to-the-minute updates > of the G8 street protests. > Other European IMCs providing detailed coverage > include: > > * IMC-France > * IMC-UK > * IMC-Belgium > * IMC-Barcelona > * IMC-Switzerland > * IMC-Germany > * IMC-Austria > * IMC-Sweden > > IMC-Brasil and CMI Argentina are also providing > detailed coverage of anti-G8 solidarity actions and > other events from South America, as well as providing > accounts from Genoa. Cobertura en Español de las > protestas de Genova, durante el 19, 20 y 21 de Julio. > Vea CMI Argentina. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69114-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 18:10:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50362 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 18:10:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50349 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 18:10:02 -0000 From: Tim Hockin Message-Id: <200107201756.f6KHuhX31359@www.hockin.org> To: ecko37@pacbell.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: itswidow@hotmail.com (Cheese), buzz@allied.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org (SF Raves) In-Reply-To: <001401c1113d$c8ff0d00$100110ac@thenoid> from "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" at Jul 20, 2001 10:02:08 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! > What's the info on this party? yeah - need info!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69115-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 18:13:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54423 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 18:13:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54411 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 18:13:55 -0000 From: "Ranger" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , "Cheese" , , "SF Raves" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001401c1113d$c8ff0d00$100110ac@thenoid> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! Alright.. I love it when Santa Cruz is the shiznit to be in :) All my friends from SJ have been calling me this morning, and last night at Colors the free SC weekly peeople were already warming up da skils.. lol.. well I can't afford to go but will probably be lurking around anyway.. lemme know if ya wanna go out before hand and well kick down. Peace. Ranger Directions This is at the SC Vets Hall right next to the post office when you come into town off Pacific Ave... Coming in from 17 which turns intto Ocean you take a right on Water street then a left @ Pacific with the PO being imediately on your left.. the road splits right at the beginning so veer hard left toward the post office and there is parking in a big garage one block down. -----Original Message----- From: Eckö [mailto:ecko37@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 10:02 AM To: Cheese; buzz@allied.org; SF Raves Subject: Re: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! What's the info on this party? Nick http://www.unityvibetribe.com http://www.core-nrg.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: ; "SF Raves" Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! > Hey hey hey! Molly and myself *might* be going... we are still trying to > figure out the whole dinero thing... =( we're moving in another month and > definately need to watch what we spend... but if i go, i'll look for you... > i just got a haircut, and it's a considerable amount shorter, so anyone who > knows me, might be alittle surprised! =) > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Buzz" > To: "SF Raves" > Sent: July 20, 2001 8:00 AM > Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! > > > > Once again, I'm asking, who is going to Electric Jello? This party is > going > > to be off the hook, from the lighting to the lineup, you know you want to > > go! > > > > Since I haven't changed, look for the white guy with the curly hair. I'm > all > > about the blue pants and light blue shirt tonight and a big camera. > > > > Don't just read this and move on if you're going, let's meet! > > > > =) Not wanting to work, > > > > - Buzz > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69116-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 18:14:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56119 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 18:14:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56108 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 18:14:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720181438.4421.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] info for electric jello check out ravelinks. it's posted there. www.ravelinks.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69117-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 18:24:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64169 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 18:24:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64159 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 18:24:52 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: nmirzad@uclink4.berkeley.edu, technoslut23@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:24:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 18:24:23.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[33921120:01C11149] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: nrr - genoa protests >From: Nima Mirzad >To: girlcat >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr - genoa protests >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:48:56 -0700 > > >i just finished reading about how riot police shot and killed a protesor >who threw a fire extinguisher at a van.. >after they shot him, the van ran him over > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010720/ts/mdf26681.html > >this shit makes me fill ill > >nima > > What shit makes you ill? The attack on the cops with a fire extinquisher or the death of a violent protester? Clarify please. -- Emperor "It is one of life's mysteries how an ounce of understanding, cleanses an ocean of mistrust and hate" (The Outer Limits) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69118-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 18:25:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66635 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 18:25:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66619 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 18:25:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "Karma-Catt" , "The List" References: <20010719234936.7475.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:32:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 18:25:02.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A519570:01C11149] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] hey where's the Limelight reviews??? Well I went last week and my friends all went this week... Its a club for club kids... Every time I have ever been there theres a whole lot of people not waring much at all. Somtimes me and my friends like to try and find the largest pair of fake breast we can and give the girl who invested her health and money in them a piece of candy for effort. No im so just kidding but there are alot of hoochies walkin around that club. and the upstairs ware they had dyloot play has some serious sound bleeding problems. Entry was no problem no extensive serches or anything. I was really impressed with security. The dude at the door that swipes your ID was evan waring a suet. all and all its a good club just the vibe could use some work... Mabey with time. Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karma-Catt" To: "The List" Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:49 PM Subject: [sfraves] hey where's the Limelight reviews??? > sorry, if this got out a little late but I was hoping > to read some reviews this morning about Limelight... I > really wanted to go... > > ... any body??? > > Love, > Catt *meow* > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69119-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 18:28:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70137 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 18:28:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70126 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 18:28:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.208.134.38] From: "craig newman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:27:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 18:27:44.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB1C06B0:01C11149] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 This is my review for the brianchild club that happened at the limelight last wednesday night. The line up that they have for the remaining week should be PHAT, and I hope the talent out does the club. Let me say of my experience, DISSAPOINTING. I am not much of a dyloot fan, but with the HARDNRG he was spinning, I enjoyed it. For the most part, the music was good my complaints: 1) $15 for 3 rooms, and there was only 2, one of which had the same dude spinning in it all night. 2) Lack of people. This could not be avoided, things happen these days, and getting people to go out can be tough. 3) The sound. Even with the good dj's, the sound coming out of the HOUSE speakers (house meaning the clubs system) was CRAP. This seamed to be a decent looking club, that alot of money was spent on to fix up, and then they go cheap and hire a sound guy that obviously does not know what he is doing. I hope that in the weeks to come, he reads the instruction manuals or something, because if it is continuasly like the sound last wednesday, I am going to stop going. Sound is one of the most important aspects of going out, and no matter how good the "VIBE" is, if the sound is sh*tty, so will be the party. I go to parties strickly for the music, so if it doesnt sound good, I am not happy. Well, this is my review, hopefully things get better in the coming 4 weeks. HAPPEE_1 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69120-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 18:35:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76991 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 18:35:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76981 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 18:35:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720183555.24375.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: sf raves , F 8 , "Soul A." , Orphan List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Freqalicious Aug.30th Has anyone one heard about this one yet? www.edencollective.com I am so excited about it. I can not wait to hear what Oracle has in store for us. Word is he has a special set for ya'll. So any of you freqie ppl out there down to join me? Let me know. I am ready to get my freak on!!! *.~ Jamie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69121-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 18:52:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96440 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 18:52:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96418 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 18:52:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.34.68.3] From: "k-boy allstar" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:51:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 18:51:38.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[019DB030:01C1114D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] central valley Im going to be out in the valley tonight does anybody know anything goin on out there _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69122-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 18:59:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2943 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 18:59:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2933 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 18:59:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720185919.82647.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:59:19 -0700 (PDT) From: girlcat To: His Highness , nmirzad@uclink4.berkeley.edu Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: nrr - genoa protests > > > > > >i just finished reading about how riot police shot > and killed a protesor > >who threw a fire extinguisher at a van.. > >after they shot him, the van ran him over > > > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010720/ts/mdf26681.html > > > >this shit makes me fill ill > > > >nima > > > > > What shit makes you ill? The attack on the cops with > a fire extinquisher or > the death of a violent protester? Clarify please. > > > -- Emperor i've been scanning the web this morning trying to find as much info. out about genoa as possible. i believe that the boy who was shot (i use boy as i believe he was only 20) may have been throwing a fire extinguisher at the police jeep. to shoot someone for that? in the head? there's also reports that the police used a real gun to shoot him, not tear gas or anything. and in the head?! and then to run him over TWICE?! that's fucking sick. but not unexpected from agents of the state, which is the most violent institution there is. love and revolution, - technoslut who'd rather be on the streets in genoa than at work right now. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69123-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 19:03:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5863 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 19:03:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5847 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 19:03:00 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rhythmdrag.com/adject@rhythmdrag.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:11:13 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: amy m Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] n:CODE @ DNA tonight (psytrance | industrial, ebm, power noise) `-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-. `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=, '=/ `=, /==/ /==/ /==/ /==/ /==/ /= ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,- ,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' This FRIDAY, JULY 20th we invite you to... :: n:CODE :: DNA LOUNGE| http://www.dnalounge.com| 375 11th Street . 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Separate audio and video feeds! http://www.dnalounge.com/audio http://www.dnalounge.com/cam DNA LOUNGE . http://www.dnalounge.com . 415.626.1409 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69124-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 19:09:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17862 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 19:09:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17847 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 19:09:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720190938.72468.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Teks To: craig newman , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 You mean they still havent fixed that subwoofer that was poppin when I was there last jul 4th? they claim that little small room in the front when you first enter is a room. 15 bucks is a rip! I thought you could get in for FREE with an email printout b4 11pm? Did you not know, use, or arrived late? Another thing is they like to advertise their brainchild ent logo a jillion times on the big wall viewmaster, especially early on. I mean I know they want to advertise but be more creative with the visuals, hell maybe even do subliminals with their logo embedded in the visuals..hehe Oh well what can we expect from brainchild, especially when Survival (the location announcement)was moved from Sacramento area to SF in one days notice, cutting DJ's and claiming to have free make up parties. Anyone here from them about the make up parties?! anyways hopefully they at limelight/Brainchild are reading this and work to create a better sound, vibe and most of all respect for what we pay for and expect. Does anyone have any positive feedback about Limelight/Brainchild?! Teks --- craig newman wrote: > This is my review for the brianchild club that > happened at the limelight > last wednesday night. The line up that they have > for the remaining week > should be PHAT, and I hope the talent out does the > club. Let me say of my > experience, DISSAPOINTING. > I am not much of a dyloot fan, but with the HARDNRG > he was spinning, I > enjoyed it. For the most part, the music was good > my complaints: > 1) $15 for 3 rooms, and there was only 2, one of > which had the same dude > spinning in it all night. > 2) Lack of people. This could not be avoided, > things happen these days, > and getting people to go out can be tough. > 3) The sound. Even with the good dj's, the sound > coming out of the HOUSE > speakers (house meaning the clubs system) was CRAP. > This seamed to be a > decent looking club, that alot of money was spent on > to fix up, and then > they go cheap and hire a sound guy that obviously > does not know what he is > doing. I hope that in the weeks to come, he reads > the instruction manuals > or something, because if it is continuasly like the > sound last wednesday, I > am going to stop going. > > Sound is one of the most important aspects of going > out, and no matter how > good the "VIBE" is, if the sound is sh*tty, so will > be the party. I go to > parties strickly for the music, so if it doesnt > sound good, I am not happy. > > Well, this is my review, hopefully things get better > in the coming 4 weeks. > > HAPPEE_1 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69125-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 19:43:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60052 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 19:43:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60033 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 19:43:57 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:55:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: DROPLIFT SUBVERSIVE MUSICIANS INFILTRATE INDUSTRY’S MEGA STORES In the '60s, the Situationists defined détournement as stealing cultural elements from their original sources and re-routing them for subversive ends. It’s a notion the collaborators on the recent CD The Droplift Project understand well: this impromptu alliance of 29 audio collage artists swipes slickly produced sounds from Top 40 recordings, B-movies, TV commercials, and obscure instructional films and mixes them to create a distinct art form that falls somewhere between music and political commentary. (Sources on the CD run from the Budweiser jingle to a documentary about Bootsy Collins, with cameos from the likes of The Spice Girls, Richard Nixon, and The Simpsons’ crusty billionaire Monty Burns.) On July 28, however, they reversed the Situationist’s definition: instead of pilfering cultural artifacts, they began covertly giving them away. In cities across the continent – from Los Angeles to Calgary, Minneapolis to Orlando – shrink-wrapped compact discs were "droplifted" (a spin on "shoplift" but with the humanitarian appeal of "airlift") into the new CD bins at chain music stores like Sam Goody, Best Buy and Tower Records. Without bar codes or price tags, and sometimes accompanied by official-looking bin dividers bearing the Droplift moniker the 30-track CDs are now masquerading as regular inventory alongside discs by Eminem, Britney Spears, and the Backstreet Boys. The result will be "a performance as subversive as it is absurd," in the words of Jon Nelson of Escape Mechanism, a contributor to the CD. In theory, a music buyer will stumble upon the disc in the bins and ask a cashier how much it costs. Not finding the title on the company computer, the cashier will no doubt be confused. What to do: ask the manager, give it away when no one’s looking, or randomly assign a price? Or perhaps the CD will go unnoticed until the store’s next inventory, when it will earn the corporate seal of approval, a barcode and catalog listing. In classic culture jamming form, "corporate store owners are tricked into giving us that most cherished item, their shelf space," says Droplift organizer, LA-based artist Tim Maloney. For artists making what Maloney affectionately calls "bizarre cut-and-paste found sound collages," it may be the only way their work will end up in mass circulation. On one hand, chain stores only stock mainstream titles, proven to sell, leaving local bands, experimental genres, or less popular styles to seek audiences at independent stores (which weren’t targeted by Droplift). On the other, distributors and labels alike are skittish about promoting bands whose sample work might attract a "fair use" challenge within the feverishly litigious recording industry. Kudos for the project came from members of Negativland, possibly the only found-sound artists to legitimately appear in Tower Records’ inventory. (Nonetheless, the group was sued by U2 in 1991 for sampling portions of "I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For" and for titling their EP U2, with a cover photo of a Lockheed U2 spy plane)"It’s an extremely rare example of music entering the realm of conceptual art," said Negativland’s Don Joyce. But more interesting to him is how the Droplift prank runs full circle: a CD constructed from borrowed clips gets slipped into the corporate bin only to be commodified by the very industry that had previously refused to promote it. Says Joyce, "It’s an almost perfect integration of content, medium, and point made." – Paul Schmelzer Free MP3 files of The Droplift Project, as well as image files needed to press and package your own CDs for local droplifting, can be downloaded at www.droplift.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69126-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 19:49:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65939 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 19:49:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65928 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 19:49:13 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Sfraves" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:38:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Dark-ish Acid Techno--any advice?? Hey all, As some of you know I'm a Trance/Progressive House DJ, but lately I've been getting more and more interested in dark-ish acid techno. I've slowly been augmenting my collection with some phat tracks off of the Tracid Traxxx label from Germany, and I was wondering if anyone had any advice or knowhow on other labels, artists, and tracks that are similar to stuff on that label. Thanks everyone! .:nomadic:. www.nomadicDJ.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69127-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 19:58:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75690 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 19:58:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75650 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 19:58:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720195828.14492.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 Ok... Area 51, my first Bay-area massive. :) Who all is going? Is there any plan to meet up with people? I'm still trying to meet as many people as I can from the list, and I'd love to find some of you at this party! If there is already a plan for this sort of thing, someone clue me in so I can stop rambling on the public forum already! ;p That is all. -Dreg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69128-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:03:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79849 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:03:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79820 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:03:43 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Mcgough, Mary (Modis)" To: 'Dregaron Starlighter' , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:03:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11156.FE2B1320" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Area 51 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11156.FE2B1320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well I'm gonna be there...wherever it's gonna be *smile*. It sure would be a lot easier to have a meet up spot if we knew the location for sure. Does anyone know if there is a site for the Bay Area scene that is like this one www.mnvibe.com ? That's the raver site from my hometown, Minneapolis. It has forums for carpooling, event info, meetups, etc. em_elle (mary mcgough) -----Original Message----- From: Dregaron Starlighter [mailto:dregaron@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:58 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 Ok... Area 51, my first Bay-area massive. :) Who all is going? Is there any plan to meet up with people? I'm still trying to meet as many people as I can from the list, and I'd love to find some of you at this party! If there is already a plan for this sort of thing, someone clue me in so I can stop rambling on the public forum already! ;p That is all. -Dreg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11156.FE2B1320-- From sfraves-return-69129-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:06:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84256 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:06:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84224 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:06:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720200603.62773.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: sf raves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: nrr - genoa protests Q: Is that a magazine clip sticking out of his pocket or a lighter. Just curious Jamie --- His Highness wrote: > >From: Nima Mirzad > >To: girlcat > >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr - genoa protests > >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:48:56 -0700 > > > > > >i just finished reading about how riot police shot > and killed a protesor > >who threw a fire extinguisher at a van.. > >after they shot him, the van ran him over > > > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010720/ts/mdf26681.html > > > >this shit makes me fill ill > > > >nima > > > > > What shit makes you ill? The attack on the cops with > a fire extinquisher or > the death of a violent protester? Clarify please. > > > -- Emperor > > "It is one of life's mysteries how an ounce of > understanding, cleanses an > ocean of mistrust and hate" > (The Outer Limits) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69130-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:06:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85183 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:06:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85157 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:06:16 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: "Dregaron Starlighter" Cc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:15:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010720195828.14492.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Area 51 Hey Dreg, I will see you there, congrats on your first Bay Area Massive, actually it is mine too.. Went to LA How sweet it is...Hope to see ya there, look for the big pimp purple hat -----Original Message----- From: Dregaron Starlighter [mailto:dregaron@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:58 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 Ok... Area 51, my first Bay-area massive. :) Who all is going? Is there any plan to meet up with people? I'm still trying to meet as many people as I can from the list, and I'd love to find some of you at this party! If there is already a plan for this sort of thing, someone clue me in so I can stop rambling on the public forum already! ;p That is all. -Dreg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69131-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87373 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:06:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87362 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:06:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720200644.78405.qmail@web12501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Myrna Yson To: "Mcgough, Mary \(Modis\)" , 'Dregaron Starlighter' , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Area 51 I'm going!! let's set up a meet up place...Me and my girls are down =) --- "Mcgough, Mary (Modis)" wrote: > Well I'm gonna be there...wherever it's gonna be > *smile*. It sure would be > a lot easier to have a meet up spot if we knew the > location for sure. > > Does anyone know if there is a site for the Bay Area > scene that is like this > one www.mnvibe.com ? That's the raver site from my > hometown, Minneapolis. > It has forums for carpooling, event info, meetups, > etc. > em_elle (mary mcgough) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dregaron Starlighter > [mailto:dregaron@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:58 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 > > > Ok... Area 51, my first Bay-area massive. :) > > Who all is going? Is there any plan to meet up with > people? I'm still trying to meet as many people as > I > can from the list, and I'd love to find some of you > at > this party! If there is already a plan for this > sort > of thing, someone clue me in so I can stop rambling > on > the public forum already! ;p > > That is all. > -Dreg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69132-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:08:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90770 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:08:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90758 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:08:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720200809.34604.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Myrna Yson To: laith@jps.net, Dregaron Starlighter Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] anyone one yahoo messenger? Anyone on Yahoo IM right now? Let's chat!! I'm bored at work =) --- Magick wrote: > Hey Dreg, I will see you there, congrats on your > first Bay Area Massive, > actually it is mine too.. Went to LA How sweet it > is...Hope to see ya there, > look for the big pimp purple hat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dregaron Starlighter > [mailto:dregaron@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:58 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 > > Ok... Area 51, my first Bay-area massive. :) > > Who all is going? Is there any plan to meet up with > people? I'm still trying to meet as many people as > I > can from the list, and I'd love to find some of you > at > this party! If there is already a plan for this > sort > of thing, someone clue me in so I can stop rambling > on > the public forum already! ;p > > That is all. > -Dreg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69133-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:17:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 448 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:17:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 438 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:17:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:16:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 20:16:56.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC2D23A0:01C11158] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 >Oh well what can we expect from brainchild, especially >when Survival (the location announcement)was moved >from Sacramento area to SF in one days notice, cutting >DJ's and claiming to have free make up parties. >Anyone here from them about the make up parties?! I was told by a rep from brainchild about a month ago that they are "searching for a venue" for the make up parties which is bs I believe. Those make up parties are WAY OVERDUE Mr. the almighty BrainChild! ha, what a joke. Well, they already have a few parties in the making and have been throwing parties meaning they scored venues meaning they have plenty of opportunity for their make up parties meaning they don't give a F**K anymore about a make up party meaning they don't hold their word to their supporters meaning they don't give a flying F**k about you. As long as people don't speak up, they're not gonna do a free party for the screwed Survival Patrons. They keep on selling and selling to people and people keep on buying and buying from them, supporting them, so they have no reason to do anything for you since they are not being affected$$$ Brainchild...you can keep your make up parties. I won't even support you when their free you shady bastard. >:[ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69134-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:28:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11920 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:28:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11896 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:28:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:25:39 -0700 From: EKLEKTIC / HEKTIC X-Sender: dMarie@mail.groundscore.net (Unverified) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6EJ/55ubmPqifR+KUTMPbA)" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] UFO! // ABSTRACT // K*O*D*A* // F**K-U-Brakes --Boundary_(ID_6EJ/55ubmPqifR+KUTMPbA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT EKLEKTIC // HEKTIC // April 2G1 // San Francisco Futurism Worldwide Saturdays / Cat Club / 1190 Folsom at 8th / 10pm-3am Resident EKLEKTIC DJs: Sage / Star Eyes / UFO! / Siren / Resident HEKTIC DJs: Felix the Dog / Clockwork / Ms.E / Lee Coombs / Vocalist: Audio Angel / MC Duh / Didgeridoin': Frogger / Opening D&B sets by Mikey J Opening BREAKS sets by JRock JULY 21 EKLEKTIC: Fuck it Up Bitch UFO! (http://www.phylum.com/) Phunckateck/Groundscore) ABSTRACT (Phunckateck/Pneuma) K*O*D*A* (http://www.basedonbass.com/) HEKTIC: Smack you Up Bitch CLOCKWORK (Hektic) LEXXUS (MESJ Recortings) *OK - THIS SHIT IS ILL* JULY 28 EKLEKTIC HIVE (Vortex/Phunckateck) SAGE (Phylum/Phunckateck/Groundscore) STAR EYES (B.A.S.S. Kru/Groundscore) HEKTIC CLOCKWORK (Hektic) TOMMYBOY (San Diego) FROGGER AUG 04 EKLEKTIC RED ONE (RAM) SIREN (Groundscore NYC) SERAPHIM (Sister SF) HEKTIC LORIN MS.E CLOCKWORK AUG 11 EKLEKTIC FUTURE CUT (Metalheadz/Renegade Hardware, UK) STAR EYES (B.A.S.S. Kru/Groundscore) MORE TBA PHYLUM NIGHT IS SO NEAR! KEEP YOUR EAR underGROUND. http://www.eklektic.net/ 415.332.5800x797 Thank you for your support of our Groundscore Transmissionz. If you would like to be taken off this information list, please reply with REMOVE in the subject title & it'll be sorted immediately. This is a secure list, your address is not visible/available to anyone but Groundscore. --Boundary_(ID_6EJ/55ubmPqifR+KUTMPbA)-- From sfraves-return-69135-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:32:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17290 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:31:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17278 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:31:59 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c1115c$4c25e5a0$2f06510c@sjsu.edu> From: "n i c o" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:41:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP :: Fundamental :: 7.26.01 ::: F u n d a m e n t a l ::: .beginning 7/26 and the last Thurs. each month. .two rooms . full bar . beautiful people. techouse.progressive.drum&bass.techno @Kleidon's * 152 Post (@ San Pedro), SJ 9pm - 2am * 21+ I'll be playing there with the Frank Phenomenon. Hope to see a few of you there. : ) love and techno n i c o --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69136-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:33:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19020 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:33:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19009 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:33:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720203319.6278.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:33:19 -0700 (PDT) From: girlcat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr - emerg. protest about genoa events tonight (fri) this was just forwarded to me and i'm passing it on. also, there may be a protest on monday at the italian embassy (in pac. heights, i think), but i don't have any details on that yet. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 20, 2001 PROTESTER SHOT AND KILLED IN GENOA Local anarchists and anti-globalization activists decry state violence Concern for friends and loved ones protesting in Genoa Rally and March tonight 6 PM Downtown Berkeley BART At least one protester has been killed this morning in Genoa, Italy when police opened fire on demonstrators. The dead protester was reportedly shot in the head twice before being run over with a military jeep. We do not know at this time how many other civilans are dead or wounded. State violence of this type comes as no surprise. The function of the G8, the eight most powerful corporatist/capitalist states in the world, is to suppress the will of the people in every realm of life in order to maximize exploitation of workers and the environment. State repression right here in the Bay Area continues to escalate along with the world-wide onslaught of globalization. Many local residents have friends and loved ones who are in Genoa at this time. There is deep concern for their safety. Demonstrators plan to wear black in mourning. There will be a rally and march. Contact: (510) 684-1089 after 3 PM (415) 820-9658 message line Email: baaac2001@yahoo.com Sponsored by Bay Area Anarchists Against Capitalism (BAAAC), and the Seattle Revival Committee. A project of the Carnival Against Capitalism __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69137-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:40:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26782 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:40:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26771 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:40:40 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B5897A2.8B421E96@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:42:10 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: girlcat CC: His Highness , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010720185919.82647.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: nrr - genoa protests "A protester prepared to throw a fire extinguisher at the vehicle's shattered rear window, then was hit by two gunshots from the jeep. The demonstrator fell to the ground and was run over by the jeep that backed over him, the photographer said. The man, dressed in a white tee-shirt, blue jeans and a black balaclava, lay in the street, blood pouring from his head." >From the article @ http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010720/ts/group_protests_dc_1.html thats what i was referring to. i don't condone violent protesting but the italian officials knew what to expect when hosting this confrence. i understand that the authorities have to deal with violent protestors, but from this incident and the overall descritpion from things i read this morning it seems as if there is an obvious level of brutality. So they shot and killed this guy as he was going to throw a fire extinguisher...are they gonna kill all the other violent protestors? thats only going to make matters worse meanwhile the G8 leaders sit in the fucking palace and try to figure out how to make themselves some more money. i don't think these figures are gonna change http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1442000/1442073.stm nima girlcat wrote: > > > > > > > > >i just finished reading about how riot police shot > > and killed a protesor > > >who threw a fire extinguisher at a van.. > > >after they shot him, the van ran him over > > > > > > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010720/ts/mdf26681.html > > > > > >this shit makes me fill ill > > > > > >nima > > > > > > > > What shit makes you ill? The attack on the cops with > > a fire extinquisher or > > the death of a violent protester? Clarify please. > > > > > > -- Emperor > > i've been scanning the web this morning trying to find > as much info. out about genoa as possible. i believe > that the boy who was shot (i use boy as i believe he > was only 20) may have been throwing a fire > extinguisher at the police jeep. to shoot someone for > that? in the head? there's also reports that the > police used a real gun to shoot him, not tear gas or > anything. and in the head?! and then to run him over > TWICE?! that's fucking sick. but not unexpected from > agents of the state, which is the most violent > institution there is. > > love and revolution, > - technoslut who'd rather be on the streets in genoa > than at work right now. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69138-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:44:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32372 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:44:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32361 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:44:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c1115c$d1204160$e1bddd18@sprint.com> From: "DAN" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:44:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C11122.225D88C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Gettin away from parents, to a rave? ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C11122.225D88C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys, listen i have to admit ive never been (*to a rave that is*), = but ive listened and loved the techno/trance/hosue genre for longer than = most people have known of it. Before it was cool to play it on 94.9 and = such you know? But now my friends who i got into it are all ravers and = going to raves, and it sorta makes me feel bad to see that they are = becoming more raver? or are they? What should i do? does nayone know how = i can get to one? i live in a hosue iwth one of the most strictest dads = in the world! im 16 i drive and i have acar..any help would be greatly = apreciated.. muuch love, plur, and keep the music alive -(lil')djdan ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C11122.225D88C0-- From sfraves-return-69139-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:48:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36500 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:48:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36483 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:48:11 -0000 From: "nomadicDJ" To: "Sfraves" , "girlcat" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:05:12 -0700 Keywords: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010720185919.82647.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Apparently-From: Carlspanoghe@aol.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re: nrr - genoa protests It's amazing to see what can happen when human instinct sets in. ok so yea, i agree it's not very nice or constructive to throw a fire extinguisher at a car, but its pretty bloody f'd up what they did to him in return. People can do some pretty stupid things in the heat of the moment. -----Original Message----- From: girlcat [mailto:technoslut23@yahoo.com] Sent: 20 July 2001 11:59 To: His Highness; nmirzad@uclink4.berkeley.edu Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Re: nrr - genoa protests Importance: Low > > > > > >i just finished reading about how riot police shot > and killed a protesor > >who threw a fire extinguisher at a van.. > >after they shot him, the van ran him over > > > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010720/ts/mdf26681.html > > > >this shit makes me fill ill > > > >nima > > > > > What shit makes you ill? The attack on the cops with > a fire extinquisher or > the death of a violent protester? Clarify please. > > > -- Emperor i've been scanning the web this morning trying to find as much info. out about genoa as possible. i believe that the boy who was shot (i use boy as i believe he was only 20) may have been throwing a fire extinguisher at the police jeep. to shoot someone for that? in the head? there's also reports that the police used a real gun to shoot him, not tear gas or anything. and in the head?! and then to run him over TWICE?! that's fucking sick. but not unexpected from agents of the state, which is the most violent institution there is. love and revolution, - technoslut who'd rather be on the streets in genoa than at work right now. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69140-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 20:57:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46441 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 20:57:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46430 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 20:57:42 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:57:33 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010720205734.CQJY17551.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 i'll be there -- and i'd love to meet lots of you "new-generation" sfravers who i don't know, and some of you old-schoolers who i haven't met too! i'm easy to spot -- i'm older, chubby, wear lots of vintage silver bracelets -- i have red curly hair, with a head wrap, my ears are stretched, and i'll have on some sort of crazy hippie raver outfit -- and i'll be handing out flyers (along with apollo i hope, and maybe some more of us older-generation folks) with the secrets of dancing your whole life long... hope to see lots of you there, please say hi! love, leslie >Ok... Area 51, my first Bay-area massive. :) > >Who all is going? Is there any plan to meet up with >people? I'm still trying to meet as many people as I >can from the list, and I'd love to find some of you at >this party! If there is already a plan for this sort >of thing, someone clue me in so I can stop rambling on >the public forum already! ;p > >That is all. >-Dreg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69141-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:00:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51025 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:00:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51015 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:00:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720210043.9268.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] srr - another mdma study http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20010720/3499517s.htm ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69142-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:07:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61636 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:07:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61624 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:07:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.51] From: "veronica la rosa" To: djdan@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:06:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 21:06:53.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6B17780:01C1115F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Gettin away from parents, to a rave? Wow. That's a really tough one. I started going to parties when I was 15 and I never really ran into any problems. But every family is different. I know your dad is strict, but how is your mom? When I first started going I would tell my mom I was going to a rave and she would tell my dad something different. That only happened a couple times though becase she told my dad a couple weeks later. >From that point on, I was totally honest with both of my parents. I told them who I was going with, who was driving, where I was going, how they could reach me, and when I'd be home. I could see that my dad was still a little unhappy about it but he relaxed when I came home safe every night. And it helped a lot that I stayed responsible. I stayed in school, never got in trouble with school or the law, I had a part time job all year, and I paid for my party tickets and candy beads myself. And Lotus (the magazine) helped me a lot too. I left issues lying around a lot and put positive articles on the fridge. I caught my parents reading Lotus once or twice. My dad really eased up and started asking me when I was going to start throwing parties (by then I was 17 and had been going for about 2 years and won his trust). When I told him all the things and people I needed, like permits, he yelled "Permits?! You don't need a stupid permit! If cops have a problem with it, I'll deal with him!" Now I don't know what he could possibly do to persuade a cop not to shut down a party but I thought it was a sweet way of supporting me. Hopefully, you're dad is the understanding type. Maybe if you can prove to him that you'll be safe and responsible he'll let you try it. Just don't mess it up. And it never hurts to have an older sibling with you. Sometimes I think my mom was so relaxed about it because my big sister was partying with me and keeping an eye out (yeah, riiiight!). Do you have a cool older brother or sister? good luck. -Veronica- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69143-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:17:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72121 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:17:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71893 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:17:02 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Mcgough, Mary (Modis)" To: 'leslie ayres' , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:16:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11161.3CB06E60" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Area 51 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11161.3CB06E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well I'll be there but I'm not so easy to spot - I kinda blend in, but if you happen to see the 5'5 skinny white chick with a lil black t-shirt and camo green chinos that's me. I have short messy hair. I will be bringing my yellow cheerios hat, but when I get too warm to wear it, it'll be in my pocket. Hope to see you all there. em_elle (mary mcgough) -----Original Message----- From: leslie ayres [mailto:leslie.ayres@sflnc.com] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:58 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 i'll be there -- and i'd love to meet lots of you "new-generation" sfravers who i don't know, and some of you old-schoolers who i haven't met too! i'm easy to spot -- i'm older, chubby, wear lots of vintage silver bracelets -- i have red curly hair, with a head wrap, my ears are stretched, and i'll have on some sort of crazy hippie raver outfit -- and i'll be handing out flyers (along with apollo i hope, and maybe some more of us older-generation folks) with the secrets of dancing your whole life long... hope to see lots of you there, please say hi! love, leslie >Ok... Area 51, my first Bay-area massive. :) > >Who all is going? Is there any plan to meet up with >people? I'm still trying to meet as many people as I >can from the list, and I'd love to find some of you at >this party! If there is already a plan for this sort >of thing, someone clue me in so I can stop rambling on >the public forum already! ;p > >That is all. >-Dreg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11161.3CB06E60-- From sfraves-return-69144-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:18:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74412 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:18:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74399 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:17:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:16:28 -0700 From: IntenSmile In-reply-to: <000e01c1115c$d1204160$e1bddd18@sprint.com> To: DAN , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Gettin away from parents, to a rave? Ummm...you're sixteen, but you have been listening to techno/trance/house since before most people have known of it? Wow. Be honest with your parents. It is the only way to go. If you don't, eventually you will get caught. If they don't go for it, well you have less than 2 years until your 18 and hopefully you can do whatever you want then. And you could always check out some of the day parties that happen periodically. I know they are not technically "raves" but it is all about the music and they got music. Brian -----Original Message----- From: DAN [mailto:djdan@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:45 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Gettin away from parents, to a rave? Hey guys, listen i have to admit ive never been (*to a rave that is*), but ive listened and loved the techno/trance/hosue genre for longer than most people have known of it. Before it was cool to play it on 94.9 and such you know? But now my friends who i got into it are all ravers and going to raves, and it sorta makes me feel bad to see that they are becoming more raver? or are they? What should i do? does nayone know how i can get to one? i live in a hosue iwth one of the most strictest dads in the world! im 16 i drive and i have acar..any help would be greatly apreciated.. muuch love, plur, and keep the music alive -(lil')djdan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69145-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:20:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77301 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:20:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77289 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:20:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.175.32.164] From: "Brian - THUMP Radio" To: macadio@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:19:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 21:19:48.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4A4BE80:01C11161] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SADE concert review such a beautful night. such a beautiful woman. wow. >From: "Macadio G." >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] SADE concert review >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:30:16 > >WOW!!, > >What can I say awesome concert for those of you that were there you know >what im talking about.. The band solo about 20 min into the concert was >awesome and the sultry seductive voice and moves of SADE just had me >going.. >Her songs sounded better live in then on most of the Records I have of >hers.. And also the debut of her King of sorrow video which I had never >seen >before since I don't watch Mindless Television oppps My bad I mean MTV.. >Nice use of the lighting as well. > >Overall nice show just way to packed it was at capacity the whole time. >That >part was not to fun but what do you expect from a fablous artist that takes >an 8 year break then comes back even stronger then before she left.. > >Peace, >Macadio > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69146-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:21:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79640 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:21:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79630 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:21:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: nmirzad@uclink4.berkeley.edu, technoslut23@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:20:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 21:20:34.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[D057CF00:01C11161] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re2: nrr - genoa protests >From: Nima Mirzad >To: girlcat >CC: His Highness , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: nrr - genoa protests >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:42:10 -0700 > >"A protester prepared to throw a fire extinguisher at the vehicle's >shattered rear window, then was hit by two gunshots > from the jeep. > > The demonstrator fell to the ground and was run over by the >jeep that backed over him, the photographer said. > > The man, dressed in a white tee-shirt, blue jeans and a black >balaclava, lay in the street, blood pouring from his head." > >>From the article @ >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010720/ts/group_protests_dc_1.html > >thats what i was referring to. i don't condone violent protesting but >the italian officials knew what to expect when hosting this confrence. Actually, your commments suggest that you do condone violent protesting, or at the very least you expect the police to condone it. Imagine sitting in a vehicle in a tense situation, objects are flying at you from every direction, the back window is blown out by malotov cocktails or huge flying objects, then you see some guy running up to your vehicle to throw a fire extinguisher at your face as you sit unprotected behind a broken window - you're not thinking this guy is a peaceful protester trying to register is disagreement with the G8, no, you're thinking this muthafucker wants to kill me! Granted they could have hit him in the knees or something, but in a tense situation, they shoot first and answer questions later. Personally I think its envigorating to see throngs of people coming together to protest what they believe to be social injustice, but quite frankly a few fringe groups use peaceful protesters as cover to carry out malicious, criminal acts against the state, private companies, and small local businesses. You saw what happened in Seattle - looting of businesses, property damage, etc. That's just wrong. If I had a business that I worked hard to build, providing jobs for the local economy, and making a living to feed my family, and build a future for my kids, and I saw some muthafucker running up to throw a fire extinguisher through my plate glass window, I would tend to take that personally, and the only thing I would be thinking of is I've got to stop this muthafucker at all costs including blowing his friggin head off too. When the attacks hit close to home, the survival instincts kick in regardless of what side of the fence you're on. Just my opinion, Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69147-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:24:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84995 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:24:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84947 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:24:00 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:35:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] FW: [rts-announce] emergency demo. about genoa deaths tonight (fri) in berkeley -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Hill [mailto:rts_eastbay@yahoo.com] there is an emergency demonstration about the killing of a protester(s?) in genoa, italy tonight at 6pm at berkeley bart. this is not an rts action, but we wanted to pass on the info. please forward and call your friends. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 20, 2001 PROTESTER SHOT AND KILLED IN GENOA Local anarchists and anti-globalization activists decry state violence Concern for friends and loved ones protesting in Genoa Rally and March tonight 6 PM Downtown Berkeley BART At least one protester has been killed this morning in Genoa, Italy when police opened fire on demonstrators. The dead protester was reportedly shot in the head twice before being run over with a military jeep. We do not know at this time how many other civilans are dead or wounded. State violence of this type comes as no surprise. The function of the G8, the eight most powerful corporatist/capitalist states in the world, is to suppress the will of the people in every realm of life in order to maximize exploitation of workers and the environment. State repression right here in the Bay Area continues to escalate along with the world-wide onslaught of globalization. Many local residents have friends and loved ones who are in Genoa at this time. There is deep concern for their safety. Demonstrators plan to wear black in mourning. There will be a rally and march. Contact: (510) 684-1089 after 3 PM (415) 820-9658 message line Email: baaac2001@yahoo.com Sponsored by Bay Area Anarchists Against Capitalism (BAAAC), and the Seattle Revival Committee. A project of the Carnival Against Capitalism __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: rts-announce-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69148-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:29:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88580 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:29:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88568 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:29:53 -0000 From: BBoiBreks@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.18c26bf9.2889fcad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:29:17 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7c.18c26bf9.2889fcad_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10530 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] area 51 carpool from marin --part1_7c.18c26bf9.2889fcad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit YO, I don't want to ride by my lonesome so if anyone needs a ride, let me know by noon tomorrow. I'm leaving Marin at about 9, maybe earlier maybe later depending on who wants to come. I usually stay till the end, not sure though, it's up to everyone else. Hit me up privately. --part1_7c.18c26bf9.2889fcad_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69149-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:35:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93329 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:35:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93319 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:35:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720213512.75211.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:35:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Princess Arielle To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 *common sense alert* As I'd say to anyone who doesn't support a promoter, all the people have to do is to NOT attend any of their parties no matter who is playing even if they are their favorite DJ's. You can always see the likes of Dyloot, Gianni, etc. at most any old party here. As for the out of town DJ's, what's more important to you... seeing that DJ play at a party you dont support or waiting til someone else brings them out. If you indeed dont care for those promoters, don't go! For every person attending and spending $$$ at their party is enabling them to stick around. People should get that logic into their heads instead of bitching about it. As long as Brainchild or any other crew you don't care for has people attending their events, they'll be around as long as they can. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69150-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:46:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1893 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:46:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1882 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:46:00 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010720144102.00b529b8@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:46:41 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re2: nrr - genoa protests >>"A protester prepared to throw a fire extinguisher at the vehicle's >>shattered rear window, then was hit by two gunshots >> from the jeep. >> >> The demonstrator fell to the ground and was run over by the >>jeep that backed over him, the photographer said. >> >> The man, dressed in a white tee-shirt, blue jeans and a black >>balaclava, lay in the street, blood pouring from his head." > From the article @ >>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010720/ts/group_protests_dc_1.html >> >>thats what i was referring to. i don't condone violent protesting but >>the italian officials knew what to expect when hosting this confrence. > > >Actually, your commments suggest that you do condone violent protesting, >or at the very least you expect the police to condone it. Imagine sitting >in a vehicle in a tense situation, objects are flying at you from every >direction, the back window is blown out by malotov cocktails or huge >flying objects, then you see some guy running up to your vehicle to throw >a fire extinguisher at your face as you sit unprotected behind a broken >window - you're not thinking this guy is a peaceful protester trying to >register is disagreement with the G8, no, you're thinking this muthafucker >wants to kill me! Granted they could have hit him in the knees or >something, but in a tense situation, they shoot first and answer questions >later. So why the head? I've shot different weapons before, and hitting someone in the head, especially moving, isn't even close to as easy as movie and video games portray it to be. That means the shooting officer was either really trying to hit him in the head, or it was freak luck. Why not shoot him in the chest? Or the Knee? If they were so worried about the fire extinguisher.. shoot that.. prolly blow his hands off, but wouldn't kill him. I do condone violent protest - How do you think we became a free country? England didn't WANT the colonies to declare independence; some of our ancestors fought for it. Also, in our constitution, we provide for the possibility of government become tyrannous, at which point we have a right to revolt and set things straight. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd look it up for an exact citing.. sariliion >Personally I think its envigorating to see throngs of people coming >together to protest what they believe to be social injustice, but quite >frankly a few fringe groups use peaceful protesters as cover to carry out >malicious, criminal acts against the state, private companies, and small >local businesses. You saw what happened in Seattle - looting of >businesses, property damage, etc. That's just wrong. If I had a business >that I worked hard to build, providing jobs for the local economy, and >making a living to feed my family, and build a future for my kids, and I >saw some muthafucker running up to throw a fire extinguisher through my >plate glass window, I would tend to take that personally, and the only >thing I would be thinking of is I've got to stop this muthafucker at all >costs including blowing his friggin head off too. When the attacks hit >close to home, the survival instincts kick in regardless of what side of >the fence you're on. > >Just my opinion, > >Paul > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69151-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:47:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3646 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:47:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3596 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:47:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:45:48 -0700 From: IntenSmile In-reply-to: <20010720213512.75211.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> To: Princess Arielle , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 *common sense alert* That is all common sense of course, but why shouldn't they bitch about it? Obviously the goal of the person doing the bitching is to get others to see the reasons why they don't like that promoter. If something really shitty happens to one person and that one person stops going to those events and says nothing to anyone about it, then that will not have any affect on the promoter. By saying something or "bitching" it gives that person the opportunity to share his opinion with others who might agree with him and support/join his boycott. Brian PS- I have never been to a Brainchild event and this email is in no way directed towards them or their events. -----Original Message----- From: Princess Arielle [mailto:acidmoogle@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:35 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 *common sense alert* As I'd say to anyone who doesn't support a promoter, all the people have to do is to NOT attend any of their parties no matter who is playing even if they are their favorite DJ's. You can always see the likes of Dyloot, Gianni, etc. at most any old party here. As for the out of town DJ's, what's more important to you... seeing that DJ play at a party you dont support or waiting til someone else brings them out. If you indeed dont care for those promoters, don't go! For every person attending and spending $$$ at their party is enabling them to stick around. People should get that logic into their heads instead of bitching about it. As long as Brainchild or any other crew you don't care for has people attending their events, they'll be around as long as they can. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69152-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:50:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6912 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:50:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6897 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:50:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.142.153.34] From: "Megan Long" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:49:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 21:49:31.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB527D70:01C11165] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 Just as long as they don't project hardcore porn like I've seen this crew do twice at 550 (once for Re-cycle and once for - OK, I guess it's to be expected - Orgy). Do people like looking at that when they're out dancing? I just feel it's not the time or place for that, but I'd be interested in hearing what y'all think. Gawd, I hope they fix the sound system before Aug. 1 when Jon the Dentist (whoo, hoo) makes his 1st West Coast appearance!! How'd they get him anyway - tell him it was in SF?? Cheers, Megan a snip from DJ Teks' post: Another thing is they like to advertise their brainchild ent logo a jillion times on the big wall viewmaster, especially early on. I mean I know they want to advertise but be more creative with the visuals, hell maybe even do subliminals with their logo embedded in the visuals..hehe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69153-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 21:54:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11535 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 21:54:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11524 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 21:54:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.195.83.240] From: "eyephunk" To: References: <000e01c1115c$d1204160$e1bddd18@sprint.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:45:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 21:54:28.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C9A1890:01C11166] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] EYEPHUNK BREAKS TONIGHT AND PEOPLES PARK ON SUNDAY EYEPHUNK BREAKS tonight featuring the Eyephunk and echlocation clans adam ohana anon Dov alex Windsor Girlie8 60 6th st. san francisco at club six doors open at 9pm and cover is $10 b4 10 $15 after everyone coming to eyephunk breaks gets a pass to the dna lounge for free for entry after 2am so its our official after hours party ftring Kj from Eyephunk spinnig trance and its also our new home starting next month. we are also doing a free party in the park this sunday at peoples park in berkely starting at 12pm- 5pm with djs from koinonea and eyephunk come enjoy the sun and some trance and breaks one block east of telegraph on dwight way. . . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69154-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 22:04:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19362 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 22:04:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19350 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 22:04:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:04:21 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010720150421.B27504@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from apollo@speakeasy.org on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:55:29PM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: DROPLIFT [Apollo ] > > > > SUBVERSIVE MUSICIANS INFILTRATE INDUSTRY’S MEGA STORES [snip] That is the coolest fucking thing I have read in a long time. Inventory systems are just not set up to handle extra merchandise coming in. That will cause a major brain fart at any store. Great, great idea. -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69155-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 22:07:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21602 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 22:07:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21591 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 22:07:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720220704.69430.qmail@web12701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:07:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mark To: DAN Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <000e01c1115c$d1204160$e1bddd18@sprint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: Gettin away from parents, to a rave? Dan, I know how this is going to sound, and while I risk the wrath of the UR, and no I don't mean the Uber-Raver, but rather the Underage Raver, here goes: I would encourage you to have a dialogue with your dad about the whole thing. If he's concerned about drugs, make a promise to him that you won't use them, and follow through. It's better to try to do things the right way before you try to do them the wrong way. Now, I know some of you are going to jump down my throat on this one; deal. As a kid living in your parents house, you gotta play by thier rules. If you feel you can't, and your house is really a living nightmare, call the Social Services office near you and get the hell out before someone gets hurt. Otherwise, try to do the respectable thing, which is to maintain open and (as much as possible, you know there's a line) honest communication between you and your parents. You'll thank yourself later. And, as Ray Manzerick (sp?) of The Doors said: "Stay away from the chemicals, man. They're nothing but trouble." peace! -mark --- DAN wrote: > Hey guys, listen i have to admit ive never been (*to > a rave that is*), but ive listened and loved the > techno/trance/hosue genre for longer than most > people have known of it. Before it was cool to play > it on 94.9 and such you know? But now my friends who > i got into it are all ravers and going to raves, and > it sorta makes me feel bad to see that they are > becoming more raver? or are they? What should i do? > does nayone know how i can get to one? i live in a > hosue iwth one of the most strictest dads in the > world! im 16 i drive and i have acar..any help would > be greatly apreciated.. muuch love, plur, and keep > the music alive > > -(lil')djdan > ===== "Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one." ---Voltaire __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69156-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 22:21:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29188 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 22:21:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29178 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 22:21:46 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Klobas, Joshua" To: 'Raver' , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:21:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1116A.438DDA20" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re2: nrr - genoa protests ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1116A.438DDA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "we provide for the possibility of government become tyrannous, at which point we have a right to revolt and set things straight." I'd like to add my 2 cents to this- We *had* this right. I don't think our current government would allow anything of the sort.. Now we kind of have the choice to either stand up for our rights and involuntarily join the 96,000 missing persons in America, or to submit and live in (subjective, depending on who you ask- I view it as literal) slavery. Josh Klobas -----Original Message----- From: Raver [mailto:raver@sarilion.org] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:47 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re2: nrr - genoa protests >>"A protester prepared to throw a fire extinguisher at the vehicle's >>shattered rear window, then was hit by two gunshots >> from the jeep. >> >> The demonstrator fell to the ground and was run over by the >>jeep that backed over him, the photographer said. >> >> The man, dressed in a white tee-shirt, blue jeans and a black >>balaclava, lay in the street, blood pouring from his head." > From the article @ >>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010720/ts/group_protests_dc_1.html >> >>thats what i was referring to. i don't condone violent protesting but >>the italian officials knew what to expect when hosting this confrence. > > >Actually, your commments suggest that you do condone violent protesting, >or at the very least you expect the police to condone it. Imagine sitting >in a vehicle in a tense situation, objects are flying at you from every >direction, the back window is blown out by malotov cocktails or huge >flying objects, then you see some guy running up to your vehicle to throw >a fire extinguisher at your face as you sit unprotected behind a broken >window - you're not thinking this guy is a peaceful protester trying to >register is disagreement with the G8, no, you're thinking this muthafucker >wants to kill me! Granted they could have hit him in the knees or >something, but in a tense situation, they shoot first and answer questions >later. So why the head? I've shot different weapons before, and hitting someone in the head, especially moving, isn't even close to as easy as movie and video games portray it to be. That means the shooting officer was either really trying to hit him in the head, or it was freak luck. Why not shoot him in the chest? Or the Knee? If they were so worried about the fire extinguisher.. shoot that.. prolly blow his hands off, but wouldn't kill him. I do condone violent protest - How do you think we became a free country? England didn't WANT the colonies to declare independence; some of our ancestors fought for it. Also, in our constitution, we provide for the possibility of government become tyrannous, at which point we have a right to revolt and set things straight. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd look it up for an exact citing.. sariliion >Personally I think its envigorating to see throngs of people coming >together to protest what they believe to be social injustice, but quite >frankly a few fringe groups use peaceful protesters as cover to carry out >malicious, criminal acts against the state, private companies, and small >local businesses. You saw what happened in Seattle - looting of >businesses, property damage, etc. That's just wrong. If I had a business >that I worked hard to build, providing jobs for the local economy, and >making a living to feed my family, and build a future for my kids, and I >saw some muthafucker running up to throw a fire extinguisher through my >plate glass window, I would tend to take that personally, and the only >thing I would be thinking of is I've got to stop this muthafucker at all >costs including blowing his friggin head off too. When the attacks hit >close to home, the survival instincts kick in regardless of what side of >the fence you're on. > >Just my opinion, > >Paul > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1116A.438DDA20-- From sfraves-return-69157-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 22:22:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30630 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 22:22:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30620 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 22:22:43 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:21:57 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010720222234.FXZG17551.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: Gettin away from parents, to a rave? hi dan, as the official fairy rave mother (i dare say i've had that title since before you started listening to techno music ;^) -- i'd like to chime in here. you are getting awesome advice from the people on this list. defying your parents is the kiss of death in getting to be allowed to go out. in fact, one of the greatest dangers to underground parties is the presence of minors, who aren't legally allowed to decide where they want to go... if their parents find out and go after them, the whole event can be shut down. not something you'd want to have on your head. one of my favorite sfravers was very successful in earning her right to go to raves as a teen. she was just 14 when she found the music and the culture, but wasn't allowed to go to parties. she tried the sneaking out routine, but that doesn't work any better now than it did when i was 15 and lied to get out of the house... you will get caught, and then you have destroyed any trust. so she was honest with her parents, and around 15 or 16, negotiated some rules for attending events -- the rules included being dropped off and picked up by parents and very specific curfews. living with those restrictions allowed her to go to parties, and earned her more freedom as time goes on. if your dad is strict, you need to be even more willing to initiate conversations with him, and let him know that you'll respect his rules (yes, it is his house, and until you're 18, that's just the reality) and remember, your parent's first priority is your safety. they love you -- and they have probably been influenced by the media misrepresentation of our scene too -- i loved the suggestion of having lotus magazine around, it shows the pure essence of the rave scene. and seek out free day parties -- which are all ages, and your parents can come check them out. once they see how friendly and likeable the people in our scene are, and hear the actual music, they'll no doubt have a better comfort level to start giving you a little more freedom, a bit at a time. don't betray their trust, and you can make progress -- it may take longer than you want but it will be worth it. and dont' worry, we're working to make sure there are plenty of parties to go to when you're 18 and over. be patient. love, leslie ---------- >From: mark >To: DAN >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Re: Gettin away from parents, to a rave? >Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001, 3:07 PM > >Dan, > > I know how this is going to sound, and while I risk >the wrath of the UR, and no I don't mean the >Uber-Raver, but rather the Underage Raver, here goes: > > I would encourage you to have a dialogue with your >dad about the whole thing. If he's concerned about >drugs, make a promise to him that you won't use them, >and follow through. It's better to try to do things >the right way before you try to do them the wrong way. > > Now, I know some of you are going to jump down my >throat on this one; deal. As a kid living in your >parents house, you gotta play by thier rules. If you >feel you can't, and your house is really a living >nightmare, call the Social Services office near you >and get the hell out before someone gets hurt. >Otherwise, try to do the respectable thing, which is >to maintain open and (as much as possible, you know >there's a line) honest communication between you and >your parents. You'll thank yourself later. > > And, as Ray Manzerick (sp?) of The Doors said: > > "Stay away from the chemicals, man. They're nothing >but trouble." > > peace! > >-mark > > >--- DAN wrote: >> Hey guys, listen i have to admit ive never been (*to >> a rave that is*), but ive listened and loved the >> techno/trance/hosue genre for longer than most >> people have known of it. Before it was cool to play >> it on 94.9 and such you know? But now my friends who >> i got into it are all ravers and going to raves, and >> it sorta makes me feel bad to see that they are >> becoming more raver? or are they? What should i do? >> does nayone know how i can get to one? i live in a >> hosue iwth one of the most strictest dads in the >> world! im 16 i drive and i have acar..any help would >> be greatly apreciated.. muuch love, plur, and keep >> the music alive >> >> -(lil')djdan >> > > >===== >"Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one." > >---Voltaire > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69158-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 22:26:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34879 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 22:26:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34869 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 22:26:33 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:25:55 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010720222615.IEAR15754.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] EYEPHUNK BREAKS TONIGHT AND PEOPLES PARK ON SUNDAY i want to put in a word for the eyephunk crew -- last night i went to see dov and shy liam spin at amnesia -- and i realized how much I LOVE THESE NEW BREAKS!!! the merging and layering of what moves me most in house, drum and bass, trance and old-school breaks is so incredible -- it moves me, moves me, moves me. i'll try to make it on over to club six tonight -- maybe i'll see some of you all there. leslie ---------- >From: "eyephunk" >To: >Subject: [sfraves] EYEPHUNK BREAKS TONIGHT AND PEOPLES PARK ON SUNDAY >Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001, 2:45 PM > >EYEPHUNK BREAKS >tonight featuring the Eyephunk and echlocation clans > >adam ohana >anon >Dov >alex Windsor >Girlie8 > >60 6th st. san francisco >at club six doors open at 9pm and >cover is $10 b4 10 $15 after >everyone coming to eyephunk breaks gets a pass to the dna lounge >for free for entry after 2am so its our official after hours party ftring Kj >from Eyephunk spinnig trance >and its also our new home starting next month. > >we are also doing a free party in the park this sunday at peoples park in >berkely starting at 12pm- 5pm with djs from koinonea and eyephunk >come enjoy the sun and some trance and breaks >one block east of telegraph on dwight way. . . > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69159-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 22:35:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40872 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 22:35:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40861 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 22:35:36 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010720153421.036ef090@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:36:16 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_22934027==_.ALT" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re2: nrr - genoa protests --=====================_22934027==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I agree - and since becoming a missing person isn't that popular, anonymously attacking corporations and infrastructure can bring any country to its' knees. Either that, or we provide everyone with weapons, and we march on the capitol.. but that isn't too likely. sarilion At 03:21 PM 7/20/2001 -0700, Klobas, Joshua wrote: >"we provide for the >possibility of government become tyrannous, at which point we have a right >to revolt and set things straight." > >I'd like to add my 2 cents to this- We *had* this right. I don't think >our current government would allow anything of the sort.. > >Now we kind of have the choice to either stand up for our rights and >involuntarily join the 96,000 missing persons in America, or to submit and >live in (subjective, depending on who you ask- I view it as literal) slavery. > >Josh Klobas >-----Original Message----- >From: Raver [mailto:raver@sarilion.org] >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:47 PM >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re2: nrr - genoa protests > > > >>"A protester prepared to throw a fire extinguisher at the vehicle's > >>shattered rear window, then was hit by two gunshots > >> from the jeep. > >> > >> The demonstrator fell to the ground and was run over by the > >>jeep that backed over him, the photographer said. > >> > >> The man, dressed in a white tee-shirt, blue jeans and a black > >>balaclava, lay in the street, blood pouring from his head." > > From the article @ > >>ht > tp://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010720/ts/group_protests_dc_1.html > >> > >>thats what i was referring to. i don't condone violent protesting but > >>the italian officials knew what to expect when hosting this confrence. > > > > > >Actually, your commments suggest that you do condone violent protesting, > >or at the very least you expect the police to condone it. Imagine sitting > >in a vehicle in a tense situation, objects are flying at you from every > >direction, the back window is blown out by malotov cocktails or huge > >flying objects, then you see some guy running up to your vehicle to throw > >a fire extinguisher at your face as you sit unprotected behind a broken > >window - you're not thinking this guy is a peaceful protester trying to > >register is disagreement with the G8, no, you're thinking this muthafucker > >wants to kill me! Granted they could have hit him in the knees or > >something, but in a tense situation, they shoot first and answer questions > >later. > >So why the head? I've shot different weapons before, and hitting someone >in the head, especially moving, isn't even close to as easy as movie and >video games portray it to be. That means the shooting officer was either >really trying to hit him in the head, or it was freak luck. Why not shoot >him in the chest? Or the Knee? If they were so worried about the fire >extinguisher.. shoot that.. prolly blow his hands off, but wouldn't kill >him. I do condone violent protest - How do you think we became a free >country? England didn't WANT the colonies to declare independence; some of >our ancestors fought for it. Also, in our constitution, we provide for the >possibility of government become tyrannous, at which point we have a right >to revolt and set things straight. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd look it up for >an exact citing.. > >sariliion > > >Personally I think its envigorating to see throngs of people coming > >together to protest what they believe to be social injustice, but quite > >frankly a few fringe groups use peaceful protesters as cover to carry out > >malicious, criminal acts against the state, private companies, and small > >local businesses. You saw what happened in Seattle - looting of > >businesses, property damage, etc. That's just wrong. If I had a business > >that I worked hard to build, providing jobs for the local economy, and > >making a living to feed my family, and build a future for my kids, and I > >saw some muthafucker running up to throw a fire extinguisher through my > >plate glass window, I would tend to take that personally, and the only > >thing I would be thinking of is I've got to stop this muthafucker at all > >costs including blowing his friggin head off too. When the attacks hit > >close to home, the survival instincts kick in regardless of what side of > >the fence you're on. > > > >Just my opinion, > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --=====================_22934027==_.ALT-- From sfraves-return-69160-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 22:48:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52600 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 22:48:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52590 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 22:48:01 -0000 Message-ID: <003601c1116d$b65c6320$3c95d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: , , Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:45:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C11132.F51ADD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ANY PARTIES TONIGHT?????????????? ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C11132.F51ADD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can any one tell me of any parties going on tonight in the bay area and = it needs to be all ages or 16 & up e- mail me as soon as posible ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C11132.F51ADD20-- From sfraves-return-69161-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 22:59:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65651 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 22:59:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65641 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 22:59:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720225907.80485.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Princess Arielle To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 *common sense alert* I dont have a problem with people bitching about Brainchild (or anyone else's) events but I seem to come across kids who still attend their parties (or any other promoter they dont like) despite their misgivings. That's what I was addressing in regards to the "bitching" aspect. I do want people to become vocal in what they want and deserve BUT dont bend the rules cause their favorite DJ is in town. Sad part is most kids would bend the rules no matter how poor the promoter's reputation is just to see that DJ. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69162-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 22:59:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67182 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 22:59:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67142 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 22:59:36 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [136.152.196.58] From: "DJ D" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:59:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 22:59:06.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[93B884F0:01C1116F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **Electric Jello Tonight!!! Line-up 'n stuff. bsp. Greetings all! Tonight I'll be spinning @ Electric Jello along w/ a bunch of other bomb-ass djs! Come 'n check it out if ya can! The line-up is as follows: >Room 1 Room 2 >7-8 Ton: E Stranger 8-9 DJ Ghost > Ecko 9-10 Ellusion Dj J-Marr 10-11 DJD >and Trouble Twin Spin vs Girlie 11-12 DJD Valerie Sparks >12-1 Koris Paulthe Fanman vs Jinx >1-2 Reflector DJ Tronic You can find the info lines, flyer images, & other neat stuff on my web site: http://www.dj-d.com. Thanks & have a great weekend! Denise DJ D http://www.dj-d.com :) ps. don't forget Area 51 is Tomorrow! pps. don't forget, SOUND ASYLUM II is August, 24th! ppps. don't forget, my new mix tape is out! ("The Orange Species") pppps. that's all. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69163-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 23:10:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83060 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 23:10:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83049 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 23:10:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "Princess Arielle" , References: <20010720225907.80485.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:19:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 23:10:24.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[27D34B60:01C11171] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 *common sense alert* The reason I went to limelight last Wednesday was because of Venue at cactus club on Fridays. I used to go to that club night every week there was always a kickin vibe and good talent... I have never been to a "rave" or "music festival" put on by them cause there track record with those kind of events sucks. Since they stopped doing Venue I figured they would just pick up ware they left off at Limelight guess I was wrong. And that's that. I'm not going anymore... However there definatly people there having fun... I did see some happy customers I'm just thinking they should promote more to those people and there friends and less to SFR. Oh and on a side note. they advertised allot shit like glow stick competitions and stuff. I thought that would be neat to watch, but I saw one dood with glowsticks the whole night. Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Princess Arielle" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: RE: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 *common sense alert* > I dont have a problem with people bitching about > Brainchild (or anyone else's) events but I seem to > come across kids who still attend their parties (or > any other promoter they dont like) despite their > misgivings. That's what I was addressing in regards to > the "bitching" aspect. I do want people to become > vocal in what they want and deserve BUT dont bend the > rules cause their favorite DJ is in town. Sad part is > most kids would bend the rules no matter how poor the > promoter's reputation is just to see that DJ. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69164-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 23:16:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88475 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 23:16:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88465 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 23:16:22 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:16:03 -0700 From: veanne To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 *common sense alert* ditto. i don't even think people were whining about the limelight club but rather giving their honest opinions on how the club was. i personally appreciate criticism - i mean, if four five six different people review club nights/raves with solid comments, yeah, it will affect whether or not my friends and i will be attending the promoter's future events. err.. does that make sense? the klonapin's making me all whooooozy... -ve on 7/20/01 2:45 PM, IntenSmile at purenrg@pacbell.net wrote: > That is all common sense of course, but why shouldn't they bitch about it? > Obviously the goal of the person doing the bitching is to get others to see > the reasons why they don't like that promoter. If something really shitty > happens to one person and that one person stops going to those events and > says nothing to anyone about it, then that will not have any affect on the > promoter. By saying something or "bitching" it gives that person the > opportunity to share his opinion with others who might agree with him and > support/join his boycott. > > Brian > > PS- I have never been to a Brainchild event and this email is in no way > directed towards them or their events. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Princess Arielle [mailto:acidmoogle@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:35 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 *common sense alert* > > As I'd say to anyone who doesn't support a promoter, > all the people have to do is to NOT attend any of > their parties no matter who is playing even if they > are their favorite DJ's. You can always see the likes > of Dyloot, Gianni, etc. at most any old party here. As > for the out of town DJ's, what's more important to > you... seeing that DJ play at a party you dont support > or waiting til someone else brings them out. If you > indeed dont care for those promoters, don't go! > > For every person attending and spending $$$ at their > party is enabling them to stick around. People should > get that logic into their heads instead of bitching > about it. As long as Brainchild or any other crew you > don't care for has people attending their events, > they'll be around as long as they can. - : contact - aim : mylai email - swervin@mylai.com homepage : www.mylai.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69165-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 23:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97481 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 23:26:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97471 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 23:26:26 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: , , Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:26:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 23:25:56.0423 (UTC) FILETIME=[53946570:01C11173] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **Electric Jello Tonight!!! Line-up 'n stuff. bsp. Just thought i would pass along a "more easily read" line-up for Electric Jello... ****************************************** *Room 1 Room 2 *7-8 Ton: E Stranger *8-9 DJ Ghost Ecko *9-10 Ellusion Dj J-Marr *10-11 DJD and Trouble Twin Spin vs Girlie *11-12 DJD Valerie Sparks *12-1 Koris Paulthe Fanmanvs Jinx *1-2 Reflector DJ Tronic ****************************************** damn am i bored or what! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69166-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 23:39:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7770 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 23:39:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7721 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 23:39:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720233910.87117.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: trancsonic To: LAGISTRATE , Princess Arielle , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 *common sense alert* I enjoyed the Venue parties too. Like other people have been saying, if you choose not to support a production company, that's cool. That is your choice. If you want to see a particular dj, or like the way a certain crew throws their events, that should be cool too. Again, it is YOUR choice what you do. That's one of the great things about living here...freedom of choice!! My choice has me back at Limelight next week to see Hipp-E and Halo. It will also DEFINITELY having me checking out Jon the Dentist!! (whoo hoo) That is all- Chris --- LAGISTRATE wrote: > The reason I went to limelight last Wednesday was > because of Venue at cactus > club on Fridays. I used to go to that club night > every week there was always > a kickin vibe and good talent... I have never been > to a "rave" or "music > festival" put on by them cause there track record > with those kind of events > sucks. Since they stopped doing Venue I figured they > would just pick up ware > they left off at Limelight guess I was wrong. And > that's that. I'm not going > anymore... However there definatly people there > having fun... I did see some > happy customers I'm just thinking they should > promote more to those people > and there friends and less to SFR. Oh and on a side > note. they advertised > allot shit like glow stick competitions and stuff. I > thought that would be > neat to watch, but I saw one dood with glowsticks > the whole night. > > Dancin for SMILES =) > Cliff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Princess Arielle" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 3:59 PM > Subject: RE: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 > *common sense alert* > > > > I dont have a problem with people bitching about > > Brainchild (or anyone else's) events but I seem to > > come across kids who still attend their parties > (or > > any other promoter they dont like) despite their > > misgivings. That's what I was addressing in > regards to > > the "bitching" aspect. I do want people to become > > vocal in what they want and deserve BUT dont bend > the > > rules cause their favorite DJ is in town. Sad part > is > > most kids would bend the rules no matter how poor > the > > promoter's reputation is just to see that DJ. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69167-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 23:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16728 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 23:53:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16711 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 23:53:41 -0000 From: Devile665@aol.com Message-ID: <34.180cfbbb.288a1e7d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:53:33 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 meeting people from the list Are there SFRaves shirts or something like that. It would be great to be able to indentify other people as being on the list when you see them at a party. D. maybe ill make an SFR candy to wear. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69168-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 23:55:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20487 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 23:55:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20477 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 23:55:47 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.244.107.209] From: "Sly Williams" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:55:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 23:55:17.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D1C82D0:01C11177] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Room For Rent in Santa Clara...only $575 a month Hey people, Well I posted this once before about a month ago, but my roommate ended up staying on for another month. Well here is whats going on we have a room for rent for only $575.00 a month plus utilities. Its a nice 2 story 3 bedroom 2.5 bathroom townhouse. Its only 5 years old. Its has an all electric kitchem including microwave and fridge. A small backyard. One car garage. We have digital cable, washer/dryer and air conditioning. Its right by Kaiser hospital in Santa Clara. Cats are ok. We are looking for a responsible male or female who has a steady job, and who can pay bills on time. You must also be friendly and outgoing. We looking for someone that we can be good friends with, and that likes to go out. You must be very mature, and social. You must like music (preferably House or Techno but not a necessity). You must like cats because we have one. Move in cost will be $1150.00 (first months rent and deposit). Utilities average around $75.00 ( garbage,electricity, cable, phone unless you have your own line). If you are interested please write back via e-mail or call me at 408-425-2846 cell or 408-296-6307 home. Just leave a message for Sly. You can move in ASAP. Remember you must be very friendly and social. Peace, Love, and House Music, Sly-Diggity _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69169-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 23:58:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22881 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 23:58:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22871 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 23:58:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:02:08 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <004201c11178$63a91e60$3578ce3f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1113D.B5AC26C0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] wait now, does eletric jello go till 2 now? ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1113D.B5AC26C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well i see its starts at 7, total p00pz, and well they cut about 2/3 of = the dj's off the lineup on the flyer, and p00p, the lineup thats been = sent by djd and stuff, well, the last dj spins at 2? wut Is uP wIt DaT = yO!?!?!?! please help me out a lil here, i dont wanna look liek an idiot = who missed something, DOES IT END AT 2? ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1113D.B5AC26C0-- From sfraves-return-69170-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 20 23:59:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24072 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 23:59:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24062 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 23:59:05 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.81.51.246] From: "rashida= audioangel" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:58:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 23:58:35.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[E32074A0:01C11177] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Area 51 HOWDY YA'LL i'll be there. the black chick with the wacky wig (maybe silver) with a microphone singing her heart out with the Double Cross crew {LIVE D-N-B WOOOHOOOO!!!} in the Jungle/ Breaks/ 2 Steppie room. Please, please, please say hi. that'll be swell. peace and big love, rashida {audio angel} "within each of us is a loving magical, powerful being...a real self. Music, friend that it is, cocoons us from our worries, enabling that hidden self to emerge" - terence yallop http://www.rashida.com t h e v o i c e o f t h e f u t u r e http://www.eklektic.net Check out me, the Audio Angel, Saturdays at Cat Club in SF! >From: "Mcgough, Mary (Modis)" >To: 'leslie ayres' , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [sfraves] Area 51 >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:16:27 -0700 > >Well I'll be there but I'm not so easy to spot - I kinda blend in, but if >you happen to see the 5'5 skinny white chick with a lil black t-shirt and >camo green chinos that's me. I have short messy hair. I will be bringing >my yellow cheerios hat, but when I get too warm to wear it, it'll be in my >pocket. > >Hope to see you all there. >em_elle (mary mcgough) > >-----Original Message----- >From: leslie ayres [mailto:leslie.ayres@sflnc.com] >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:58 PM >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 > > >i'll be there -- and i'd love to meet lots of you "new-generation" sfravers >who i don't know, and some of you old-schoolers who i haven't met too! > >i'm easy to spot -- i'm older, chubby, wear lots of vintage silver >bracelets >-- i have red curly hair, with a head wrap, my ears are stretched, and i'll >have on some sort of crazy hippie raver outfit -- and i'll be handing out >flyers (along with apollo i hope, and maybe some more of us >older-generation >folks) with the secrets of dancing your whole life long... > >hope to see lots of you there, please say hi! > >love, >leslie > > > >Ok... Area 51, my first Bay-area massive. :) > > > >Who all is going? Is there any plan to meet up with > >people? I'm still trying to meet as many people as I > >can from the list, and I'd love to find some of you at > >this party! If there is already a plan for this sort > >of thing, someone clue me in so I can stop rambling on > >the public forum already! ;p > > > >That is all. > >-Dreg > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69171-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 00:02:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27801 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 00:02:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27731 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 00:02:21 -0000 From: ProjektNine@aol.com Message-ID: <127.1b777af.288a2042@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:01:06 EDT To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_127.1b777af.288a2042_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] PROJEKT:9 FREE PARTY IN SAN JOSE TONIGHT (21+) --part1_127.1b777af.288a2042_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pi Alpha Phi in conjucntion with Projekt:9 bring you... UTOPIA Friday, July 28th, 2001 __________________________________ Celsius (Projekt:9) - UK Hard House / Techno Xiza (Pi Alpha Phi) - Deep Trance YellowGhetto (Pi Alpha Phi) - Funky Tek House __________________________________ * NO COVER CHARGE ALL NIGHT LONG * 2 FOR 1 DRNKS UNTIL 11pm * 21+ WITH VALID ID * NO DRESS CODE * FREE PARKING UTOPIA is located at the La Perla Lounge in San Jose: 31 E. Santa Clara St. ( between First and Second Street) San Jose, CA 95113 408-287-8091 --part1_127.1b777af.288a2042_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69172-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 00:06:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31817 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 00:06:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31807 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 00:06:46 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Mcgough, Mary (Modis)" To: "'Devile665@aol.com'" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:06:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11178.F1B08630" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Area 51 meeting people from the list ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11178.F1B08630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Speaking of candy - am I going to be able to wear my two measly bracelets or are they going to be taken away from me (since they are "drug paraphernalia")? em_elle (mary) -----Original Message----- From: Devile665@aol.com [mailto:Devile665@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 4:54 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 meeting people from the list Are there SFRaves shirts or something like that. It would be great to be able to indentify other people as being on the list when you see them at a party. D. maybe ill make an SFR candy to wear. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11178.F1B08630-- From sfraves-return-69173-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 00:08:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33452 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 00:08:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33442 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 00:08:24 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.217.7.11] From: "Gabba Junkie" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:07:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 00:07:54.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[30516440:01C11179] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 info? Does anybody know the venue info on this thing? Im not exactly a fan of being kept in the dark...how about time frames or anything? Everything is helpful ;) Kevin Cave AIM: xxpincushionxx _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69174-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 00:14:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39738 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 00:14:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39728 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 00:14:55 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "w00dy" , References: <004201c11178$63a91e60$3578ce3f@justin> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:15:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 00:14:25.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[196646A0:01C1117A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] wait now, does eletric jello go till 2 now? well, that is what i gathered from the lineup... i just assumed that it was correct... i mean, if the last dj spins from 1 to 2.... then most likely that's when it's over... however i have been hearing of an after party @ candyland, which is right on the other side of the hill... *wink wink nudge nidge* Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "w00dy" To: Sent: July 20, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: [sfraves] wait now, does eletric jello go till 2 now? Well i see its starts at 7, total p00pz, and well they cut about 2/3 of the dj's off the lineup on the flyer, and p00p, the lineup thats been sent by djd and stuff, well, the last dj spins at 2? wut Is uP wIt DaT yO!?!?!?! please help me out a lil here, i dont wanna look liek an idiot who missed something, DOES IT END AT 2? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69175-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 00:23:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46846 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 00:23:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46831 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 00:23:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.217.7.11] From: "Gabba Junkie" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:22:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 00:22:52.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[477A1FC0:01C1117B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd: re:area51 errr pier 45 i meant... >From: "Gabba Junkie" >To: sacraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: re:area51 >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:17:00 +0000 > >ok some info i got from sfraves is that its going to be held @ pier 51 and >go 6-6 > >Kevin Cave > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69176-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 00:31:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54836 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 00:31:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54826 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 00:31:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:31:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 00:31:08.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F1EC930:01C1117C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Sundance Park Picnics - Part 2 finally here!!!! Liquidcafe.com is proud to present quality events that all can enjoy. We pride ourselves in the fact that our events are safe, intimate, without the drug element, family oriented, and very vibey. It is with great pleasure that we present to you the second in a series of summer picnics. Liquidcafe.com presents :::::::::: SUNDANCE PARK PICNICS :::::::::: -- summer series 2001 Part 2 -- Sunday, August 5, 2001 12noon - 8pm All picnics are Free! Featuring: BILLY LANE (Black-Locust.com) [916jungle madness] Fresh from her Hawaii Tour: DRAGN'FLY (Epiphany/Teknique) [Tekno-trance mayhem] MARKUS (Kickdrum Recordings) [Deep tribal-house in full effect] RIGATONY (Sagitariun) [Funky House beats] PAUL GORDON (Liquidcafe.com) [a deeper funked soul flava] DJ PAT (Teknique, Fresno) [Raw German Techno all over your face] KRON DON (Craftmasters) [Heavy ragga-jungle basslines for your hoopty] MARCEL (liquidcafe.com) [Tribal funked-progressive] DIGGLER (Ruby Sky/Dj Cafe) [Jazzy House grooves] STARFIRE (Liquidcafe.com) [Smooth Drum n Bass wit a twist] *Line-up subject to change THIS EVENT WILL NOT BE AT GIBSON RANCH For directions and details: Infoline: 916.466.9113 / 415.303.7404 Online: www.liquidcafe.com/events.html **Sundance part 3 The Grand Finale coming Sept. Thanks to all of you for coming out and supporting these park picnics. It's been a fun couple of years, and it keeps getting better. Looking forward to seeing you all August 6th. What to Bring: Blankets Folding chairs water, and beverages Food and BBQ stuff sunscreen little nieces and nephews, babies and family Lots of smiles and happy faces What not to Bring: Drugs Drug Paraphenalia pacifiers Dust Masks Bad Attitudes crappy friends Disorderly conduct Anything that would give our scene a bad name. Note: This will be a family event in a public park, carry yourselves accordingly. See ya soon. Much love, Paulie Paul Liquidcafe.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69177-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 00:54:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72574 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 00:54:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72561 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 00:54:27 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010720175058.03703830@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:55:05 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <34.180cfbbb.288a1e7d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 meeting people from the list well, since I couldn't quickly come up with a t-shirt for the SFR Planners Party, I made a placard. What is a Placard? something you wear, usually like an ID badge, that has pictures / text on it, and is laminated. Mine says Sarilion on it, and has a picture of .... a woman (heh) and some green buds.. I did it pretty quickly in photoshop, then took it to kinko's to have it laminated and cut. Total time = 2 hours. Kinkos are open 24-7. Silk screening shops are not :) sarilion ps sure, you can make SFR candy, is anyone going to see it? (think: distance) At 07:53 PM 7/20/2001 -0400, Devile665@aol.com wrote: >Are there SFRaves shirts or something like that. It would be great to be able >to indentify other people as being on the list when you see them at a party. > >D. >maybe ill make an SFR candy to wear. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69178-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 01:07:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82183 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 01:07:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82173 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 01:07:06 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:18:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HOUSE MUSIC 101: Issue 23 - The Eighties, Part 3 "Sometimes you've got to wait another generation. You've got to wait in the desert for forty years, for the next generation to evolve and save the people. But eventually it happens." -DJ Soul Slinger "You don't have to have had any piano lessons, drum lessons, any kind of music lessons to make this kind of music. Any guy can go and spend $2000 or $3000, sit in his bedroom, and he can make music. What you like is what you sample and what you use." -LTJ, quoted by Kodwo Eshun, "House: The Reinvention of House" in "A History of Electronic Music" (Caipirinha Productions, Inc., New York, 2000), p. 70. XXIII. THE EIGHTIES, PART 3 A. DRUM MACHINES, SAMPLERS, AND TECHNICS House music and EDM evolved in the eighties as a musical reaffirmation of life in the face of death and Puritan oppression. But this evolution would not have been possible without a number of wondrous technological innovations that truly democratized the making of music by enabling virtually anyone with a couple thousand dollars and talent to participate in the creation of exciting new genres of dance music. 1. The Drum Machine Aside from the turntable and mixer, the drum machine was the first instrument used by DJs and producers. They first appeared in the late sixties and were marketed under the names Rhythm Ace and Rock Mate. These early drum machines, or rhythm boxes as they were called, were primitive devices that could store a couple dozen pre-programmed rhythms. Roland introduced in the late seventies the first drum machine with a microprocessor that enabled the DJ or producer to record and store his or her own drum loops. This was a significant improvement, especially for the studio musician, for one could pretty much dispense with a live drummer and the related complexities of attaching mics to each drum and recording the rhythms over and over again to get them just right. Now one could link the drum machine directly to the mixing desk and manipulate the rhythms as one wished. In 1982 Roland produced the legendary TR-808 drum machine which still has its devotees today. The device was easily programmed, although it was still an analogue device and not MIDI enabled. The next year Roland improved the 808 by incorporating both digital and analogue technology and MIDI into the TR-909. Also of note is the Roland TB-303 bassline machine also released in 1982. Many believe that the 303 was poorly conceived, but it played an important role in the creation of the Chicago house sound. DJ Pierre, for example, pushed a button on his 303 and found that that "acid sound was already in it" and used the device to create the first acid house tracks. 2. The Sampler: Freedom to Store and Refashion Music The first music storage medium was the record. Before recording technologies the only way to experience music was to listen to live bands and orchestras. Records made heretofore unimaginable varieties of music available to everyone. In the eighties a new medium for storage was made available to DJs and producers. This awesome new tool was the sampler. Very simply, a sampler consists of an analogue-digital converter, memory for storage, and a digital-analogue converter. The analogue sound is recorded into the sampler and digitized. Digitized means that these sounds are turned into 16-bit binary numerical values. They can thus be more efficiently stored and refashioned as one wishes. The sounds can be re-used and changed to suit the needs of the musician. The digital-analogue converter enables these digital sounds to be audible to the human ear again. The implications for the music industry of sampler technology were enormous. One can take any segment of music, change it, mix it with other musical segments, and create a new track that incorporates elements of the original with the new. Using samplers and drum machines, for example, old disco songs -- vocals and instrumental elements -- could be sampled, new rhythms and other enhancements added, and transformed into house music. There are, of course, legal issues with copyrights to original work when sampling techniques are used. But this technology provided creative musicians with limited resources the means to produce high quality product without having to hire orchestras, vocalists, and expensive studio time. One could, literally, make music in one's bedroom. The first samplers had limited memory and could only digitize a few seconds of music. Advances in computer technologies in the eighties and nineties, however, now enables musicians to sample and work with hours of music. 3. The Technics Turntable Ah, the Technics turntable. Most of you grew up with Technics and, I would think from your perspective, the 1200 is a relatively simple, dependable device without much high tech pizzazz. For those of us who DJed in the seventies, however, the 1200 series was a precious gift from the gods. A magical tool that would take the art of the DJ to new levels and help shape the history of EDM. The disco era created a demand for a turntable designed with the specific needs of the working DJ in mind. In the late 70's Technics began creating such a device. The 1200 MK2, which was to replace the Technics 1100 A. Revolutionary. You bet. First, it had a BIG start and stop button. A light for working in the dark. A pitch regulator which allowed for pitch regulation of plus or minus 8%. The 1200 MK2 also had a strobe light that revealed the 33 1/3 and 45 norm rpms on the deck. When you adjusted pitch it showed the effect visually in the dark. Further, unlike other turntables that were belt-driven, the 1200 was designed with a direct drive mechanism. This means that the speed of the turntable is controlled by a highly precise quartz-locked pitch control that allows minimal speed variations of only 0.01 %. This was very important in the development of house music where accurate mixing of recordings with accurate pitch control over long periods of time is required. Direct drive also provided rapid start and breaking times. The 1200 reaches 33 1/3 speed in only 0.7 seconds. The chassis of the 1200 was also novel in that it provided great protection from loudspeaker vibration or DJ monitors because the head shell was molded from a single piece of metal and the turntable was fitted with anti-vibration rubber. Then the tone arm. Friction free suspension with height adjustment using a rotating ring on the plinth that rotates a precision gearwheel allowing regulation of the stylus height with great accuracy. The tone arm could be tuned to the DJs need by using the anti-skate regulator so that the stylus weight could be modified from zero to 2.5 grams. The Technics SL1200 MK2 (silver) and SL 1210 MK2 (black) have been built the same way for the past twenty years and have become the reference turntables for any serious DJs. "Wheels of steel" indeed. Drag them down to a beach and play 'em all night long. Then schlep them to a warehouse. Back to the studio. And onto the dance floor. These precision instruments are built like tanks, yet provide astonishing accuracy in the most challenging environments. I confess I am a person that is deeply moved by flashing lights and high tech gadgetry. I was recently faced with the purchase of a new turntable and carefully examined the new products available. I anguished for a time, and then bought a new SL 1200 MK3. Yes, to my mind the 1200s are still the best and, lordy knows, they set our hands, hearts and souls free in the eighties and nineties. B. THE TECHNOLOGY FREED OUR CREATIVITY These technological wonders -- the drum machine, sampler, and the Technics 1200 -- provided the essential tools for the creation of house and EDM. As disco died in the early eighties and dance floors emptied due to cultural changes and AIDS the music industry put dance music on the back burner. There was no longer lots of money available for high-cost dance music production with live vocals, instrumentals and high end studio equipment. Fortunately the pioneers of house and EDM were provided the right instruments at the right time to begin the electronic dance music revolution. NEXT: THE EIGHTIES, Part 4. Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69179-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 01:34:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2666 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 01:34:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2649 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 01:34:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.132] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:33:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1114A.7F78A670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 01:34:23.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[453CA750:01C11185] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SFR @ Area 51 - Look for the main room visuals booth ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1114A.7F78A670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several of us that are Viberation and SFR-Planners will be running the = visuals in the main room. I'll bring one of the big SFR banners and make = it into a meeting spot. I'll make a point to get laminate pouches = tonight as well so that you guys can have SFR laminates for this party = and future parties. Given that I have no clue as to when this party ends = and only that it starts at 6pm, I'll leave it up to the masses to work = out meeting times. It's going to be a long weekend... ryan.bailey sninesix.design www.viberation.com/ryan ps: sorry about the drama the other day. sucks when you put in a lot of = effort only to be fucked over... ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1114A.7F78A670-- From sfraves-return-69180-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 01:39:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7580 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 01:39:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7561 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 01:39:48 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: "leslie ayres" , Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:51:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010720205734.CQJY17551.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Area 51 Leslie Ayres wrote: > and i'll be handing out > flyers (along with apollo i hope, and maybe some more of us > older-generation > folks) with the secrets of dancing your whole life long... Yep, I'll be there also with my partner Joey helping Leslie pass out those fliers and spreading that old school vibe. Depending on the location (?) I'll either be wearing my Thump day-glo gear or some neo-hippie stuff, with a bit of candy:) And one of my flaming watch hats... Looking forward to dancing with you all, and meeting some of you newer peeps. Much love, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69181-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 01:49:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12763 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 01:49:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12753 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 01:49:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:42:49 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <001601c11187$1c08a3f0$3578ce3f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1114B.C6617660" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] WUTS UP WITH ELECTRIC JELLO, AHH ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1114B.C6617660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wheres all the updates, how long does it go and are there still 20 djs = or is it cut to 10 now?????? please post with updates someone, THANK YEW = :D w00oo00oo00diE :D ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1114B.C6617660-- From sfraves-return-69182-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 01:56:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17238 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 01:56:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17227 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 01:56:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:54:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: mark cc: DAN , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010720220704.69430.qmail@web12701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: Gettin away from parents, to a rave? > Now, I know some of you are going to jump down my throat on this one; >deal. As a kid living in your parents house, you gotta play by thier >rules. If you feel you can't, and your house is really a living >nightmare, call the Social Services office near you and get the hell out >before someone gets hurt. Yikes! Ignore the above advice, kids ... not being allowed to go to a party is not even *close* to grounds for getting social services involved. If you have domestic problems on that level, then sfraves is not the forum you should be turning to for advice. Sounds to me like you just have a strict father. I did too. He was extremely overbearing and wouldn't let me go anywhere until I hit about 16 or so, then one day he explicitly told me that he felt I could be trusted and that going out was a decision I needed to make on my own. Kind of an unofficial Bar Mitzvah or Confirmation, or at least a moment fulfilling the original intent of those ceremonies. :) After that, I never had to ask anymore. If your father's not coming forth with clear-cut expectations, then maybe you need to jump the gun and initiate a dialogue with him .. whether he likes it or not, you've got the means and you've got the opportunity, so he's going to have to deal with your freedom at some point soon. Just don't choose some lame-butt massive as your first party. :) -mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69183-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 02:05:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23472 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 02:05:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23462 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 02:05:56 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:05:48 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Gianni Live on 94.9 tonight at 4am Hi everyone Gianni her, Just a last minute reminder that I'll be playing live on 94.9 tonight at around 4am. (For all you late night ravers!!) WHOOOOO HOOOOO!!!!! See you all tomorrow at AREA 51!!!!! Gianni :0) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69184-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 02:47:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42480 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 02:47:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42469 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 02:47:13 -0000 From: Tim Hockin Message-Id: <200107210234.f6L2Yc726550@www.hockin.org> To: itswidow@hotmail.com (Cheese) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: BayAreaHappycore@yahoogroups.com, BayAreaRavers@topica.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: from "Cheese" at Jul 20, 2001 04:26:28 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] **Electric Jello Tonight!!! Line-up 'n stuff. bsp. > Just thought i would pass along a "more easily read" line-up for Electric > Jello... > > ****************************************** > *Room 1 Room 2 > *7-8 Ton: E Stranger > *8-9 DJ Ghost Ecko > *9-10 Ellusion Dj J-Marr > *10-11 DJD and Trouble Twin Spin vs Girlie > *11-12 DJD Valerie Sparks > *12-1 Koris Paulthe Fanmanvs Jinx > *1-2 Reflector DJ Tronic > ****************************************** Where can I get tix? Presales only, it says.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69185-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 03:00:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49264 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 03:00:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49254 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 03:00:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:58:35 -0700 From: IntenSmile To: SF Raves Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sIVob1/vUAG/dhy4tUo6Jg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Uplifting Track of the week --Boundary_(ID_sIVob1/vUAG/dhy4tUo6Jg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT All right every one, I have pulled an old time favorite out of the crate for this week’s track. I hope everyone has a great weekend. http://www.permagrinent.com/uplifting_tracks.htm Brian IntenSmile --Boundary_(ID_sIVob1/vUAG/dhy4tUo6Jg)-- From sfraves-return-69186-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 03:12:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54790 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 03:12:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54780 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 03:12:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.195.83.240] From: "eyephunk" To: "eyephunk" , Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:15:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 03:12:02.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9BC3E50:01C11192] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: EYEPHUNK BREAKS TONIGHT AND PEOPLES PARK ON SUNDAY > EYEPHUNK BREAKS > tonight featuring the Eyephunk and echlocation clans > > adam ohana > anon > Dov > alex Windsor > Girlie8 > > 60 6th st. san francisco > at club six doors open at 9pm and > cover is $10 b4 10 $15 after > everyone coming to eyephunk breaks gets a pass to the dna lounge > for free for entry after 2am so its our official after hours party ftring Kj > from Eyephunk spinnig trance > and its also our new home starting next month. > > we are also doing a free party in the park this sunday at peoples park in > berkely starting at 12pm- 5pm with djs from koinonea and eyephunk > come enjoy the sun and some trance and breaks > one block east of telegraph on dwight way. . . > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69187-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 03:13:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56148 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 03:13:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56138 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 03:13:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.195.83.240] From: "eyephunk" To: "eyephunk" , Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:16:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 03:13:02.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D94E110:01C11193] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] PARTY IN PEOPLES PARK ON SUNDAY > > we are doing a free party in the park this sunday at peoples park in > > berkely starting at 12pm- 5pm with djs from koinonea and eyephunk > > come enjoy the sun and some trance and breaks > > one block east of telegraph on dwight way. . . > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69188-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 03:28:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63487 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 03:28:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63475 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 03:28:30 -0000 From: "Ranger" To: "Ranger" , "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , "Cheese" , , "SF Raves" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:25:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Electric Jello - GO!! I just heard about a 2am bonfire after hours untill 7am so for those checkin there emails.. you should go. If you leave a message at 831-420-1019 I will call and check my messages and call back anyone in town that is actively trying to find it around 2 am.. peace! Ranger --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69189-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 03:31:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65373 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 03:31:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65363 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 03:31:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.232.249.62] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: , "ian m" , "SF RAVES" , "RamseyTarazi" , "pod updates" , "B C" , "Andy a" , "Binh Tran" , "DJ Proxy" , "aStRoBoY o^_^o" , "Kitterman" , "kelly" , "Monica" , "Thad hak1" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:27:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1619 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1115A.70390B40" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 03:31:27.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[A02A71A0:01C11195] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp***STEREOPHONIKw/GIANNI!*** ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1115A.70390B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable STEREOPHONIK?KILLASUBZ! Five Dollars! Arrive for the for the pure f-----n fun, Stereophonik/KILLASUBZ appreci= ates your support. 98% underground music! (come on, there some new folk b= eing turned on, gotta give them a little something) Bring on the smiles!= One year strong! So...with out further a due.... THIS WEEK AT STEREOPH= ONIK! Gianni! Ara! Keith Edwards! Aloha Dave! =20 KillaSubz is proud.. No, ecstatic! to bring you, =20 =20 know1 Proxy =20 Seraphim Siphon! =20 AALLSOO, Our resident ARA will be at 'House' 4 the Homeless this Sunday. A bene= fit for the homeless of Silicon Valley. Also be sure to check out Agnes = B, N8 Castro, Girl Friday, Rick Preston, Dj Dougie, & Mike Eversole $5 w= ill get you in, for a good cause. this will happen at Helyer Park in San= Jose on Sunday July 22 info # 408-294-2100 x555. =20 Finally, Check out Dj Solace on 90.5 KSJS every Thursday at 7 to 10. Random Ste= reophonik/Killasubz/Secret Society folk will be representing every so oft= en! blair Stereophonik true underground music! =20 Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn= .com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1115A.70390B40-- From sfraves-return-69190-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 03:49:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73882 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 03:49:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73872 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 03:49:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c11197$d96b3420$61251018@frmt1.sfba.home.com> Reply-To: "aaronr" From: "aaronr" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:47:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR -- G8 Since some of the corporate media sources seem to be reporting the G8 riot with more than a hint of bias against the protesters, I thought you might like to see the news reported from a different perspective: http://www.infoshop.org/news6/genoa.html -- aaron -------------------- "For even the very wise cannot see all ends." -- J. R. R. Tolkien --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69191-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 04:29:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93368 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 04:29:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93357 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 04:29:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.248.180] From: "Augie Dogg" To: apollo@speakeasy.org, leslie.ayres@sflnc.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:28:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 04:28:32.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[9937C070:01C1119D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Area 51 i'll be there, leaving early tommorrow morning from LA! this will be my first party in months, and i'm sooo stoked for the lineup, theme, and vibe. man i miss the bay area! for those of you wont dont know i moved to LA a few months back from san jose, and i've been homesick ever since. look for the SFR sign and me in my black SFR shirt. have we decided on a meeting time? i know ryan mentioned a banner in the main room... augie ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Apollo" Reply-To: To: "leslie ayres" , Subject: RE: [sfraves] Area 51 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:51:19 -0700 Leslie Ayres wrote: > and i'll be handing out > flyers (along with apollo i hope, and maybe some more of us > older-generation > folks) with the secrets of dancing your whole life long... Yep, I'll be there also with my partner Joey helping Leslie pass out those fliers and spreading that old school vibe. Depending on the location (?) I'll either be wearing my Thump day-glo gear or some neo-hippie stuff, with a bit of candy:) And one of my flaming watch hats... Looking forward to dancing with you all, and meeting some of you newer peeps. Much love, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69192-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 04:38:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96911 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 04:38:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96899 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 04:38:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.248.180] From: "Augie Dogg" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:37:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 04:37:57.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA17D560:01C1119E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Finally, Method/Uberzone are back! Okay, am I the only one who is glad that both the Crystal Method and Uberzone are FINALLY releasing their long-awaited albums?! Its been like years since they gave us new (break)beats(not including Uberzone's collaboration with Afrika Bambaata).. The Method's "Tweekend" is out July 31st and Q's new one is out in the middle of August. These two are the best live electronic groups I've ever seen at a party! Augie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69193-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 04:41:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98805 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 04:41:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98795 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 04:41:28 -0000 Message-ID: <004101c1119f$3cfefa60$e1bddd18@sprint.com> From: "DAN" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:40:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C11164.9053D720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Thanks so much guys, everyone!! also area 51?! ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C11164.9053D720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey thanks so much, you guys really prove that the rave comunity is one = big happy family. I apreciate all of you taking time to help me. By the = way what is up with Area 51, my friend said its a day party and itll be = cool.. although its 18+.. is it worth it to drive to SF for it? maybe = ican go to day ones in fact, any cool ones coming up in the palo = alto/los altos area. Thanks - djdan@pacbell.net ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C11164.9053D720-- From sfraves-return-69194-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 05:57:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28892 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 05:57:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28882 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 05:57:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:57:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Permits be damned!!! Just found this juicy tidbit on Castlemorton, a 1992 party in England so out-of-control it inspired Parliamentary legislation to prevent anything like it from happening again. :) "Police Powerless as 20,000 Attend Rave" http://www.webm8.co.uk/riddler/imgs/clips1/002a.htm (from http://www.webm8.co.uk/riddler/cmorton.htm) 'Course I was 14 at the time, but did anyone from this list attend? *grin* -mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69195-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 09:14:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97561 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 09:14:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97551 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 09:14:44 -0000 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQx1FaIWZelLIzGkiYTkJunjz6/HQIVAIPDu9XfoTxqKSab2kobZFku2jnw From: BluE_FragglEz@webtv.net (sodomize dragonflies) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:14:34 -0700 (PDT) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20584-3B5947FA-19@storefull-627.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 HEY PEOPLES IAM GOING TO BE THERE ... I D NE HAPPY IF THERE WERE SOME REALLY COOL PEOPLES THAT I COULD MEET UP WITH...IAM COMING FROM A LIL TOWN CALLED LEMOORE..IVE BEEN TO ALOT OF PARTIES IN ABOUT 6YRS BUT I KNOW THIS ONE IS GOING TO ROCK! I CANT WAIT ...WEL HOPEFULLY SOMEONE WILL BE SO KIND AS TO HELP A CHICK OUT...IAM LEAVING HERE @ 11AM AND I WILL BE GETTING THERE EARLY CAUSE ITS A TRAIDTION FOR ME TO EAT AT THIS ONE CHINESE RESTURNT HEHEHE WELL ILL BE CHECKIN MAH EMAIL FREQUENTLY SO EMAIL ME @ MIU_MIU_@WEBTV.NET THANKS ID APPRECIATE IT.. ILL GIVE WHERE AND WHEN FOR A MEETING TIME.. PEAZ YOU GUYS AND LETS HAVE A GREAT ONE!! ReVenGE Is LikE =9E=83RuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto in fondo nelle gabbie....." "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." il bella' esodo .....il sorgere del sole eterno... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69196-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 09:21:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 303 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 09:21:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 293 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 09:21:46 -0000 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAwHXrCkhMC44hCH80UHimPLeCG/4CFQC/RF0pi1GZJRnwpX637+cIlasR4w== From: BluE_FragglEz@webtv.net (sodomize dragonflies) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:21:35 -0700 (PDT) To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.ORG Message-ID: <20583-3B59499F-46@storefull-627.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] WISHING EVRYONE A SAFE TRIP HEY EVERTYONE I HOPE YOU ALL ARE SAFE WHILE DRIVING UP TO AREA 51 I WISH YOU ALL GOOD LUCK ..AND REMEMBER TO ALWAYS WEAR YOUR SEATBELTS! HAHA WELL HOPEFULLY ILL SEE YOU BADMUTHAS THERE,, I MOST LIKELY WILL BE WEARING A RED SHIRT THAT HAS 3 DOODS DOING A FLARE>WITH SOME BLACK 13 BUTTON NAVY PANTS SOME GERY PUMAS AND A GREY PUMA BAD MY NAME IS ALY-SON AND MY BROTHER WILL BE WEARING A RED ZAPATISTA RAGE AGAISNT THE MACHINE SHIRT HE HAS DREADLOCKS AND IS TALL HIS NAME IS JEEBS AND MY FRIEND WILL BE IN HIS BLACK AND YELLOW HAPPY FACE OUTFIT YOU CANT MISS THIS GUY HIS NAME IS CHRIS BE SURE TO SAY HELLO PEOPLE. WE DONT REALLY KNOW ANYONE THERE THIS IS MY BROTHERS FIRST SF MASSIVE ANDMY FIRENDS AND I DONT KNOWHOW MANY THIS MAKES FOR ME..LOST TRACK LIKE 2YRS AGO...BUT IN MY 6YRS THIS I KNOW THIS PARTY IS GOING TO BE OFF THE HOOK!! LIKE I SAID PEOPLE BE SAFE DRVING PEACE LOVE UNITY AND LETS FUCKING DANCE!!!!!WHOOOOHOOOOO ReVenGE Is LikE =9E=83RuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto in fondo nelle gabbie....." "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." il bella' esodo .....il sorgere del sole eterno... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69197-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 11:54:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65511 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 11:54:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65501 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 11:54:18 -0000 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAxT3gV2vIzZgXTnQwEmERBGb0EhgCFE4BawvlmMz8VVboZLQ5bZxFNlpE From: BluE_FragglEz@webtv.net (sodomize dragonflies) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:54:15 -0700 (PDT) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <14375-3B596D67-6@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NOOOOO area 51 canclled i need proof..or summtin see iam driving 3 hours there and we have spent close to 200 bones on tickets now cool so not co0l ReVenGE Is LikE =9E=83RuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto in fondo nelle gabbie....." "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." il bella' esodo .....il sorgere del sole eterno... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69198-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 11:57:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67151 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 11:57:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67139 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 11:57:19 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:58:13 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves CC: sacraves , fresnoraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3078536293_551973" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Big Future Thank You! (bsp) --B_3078536293_551973 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I just wanted to thank everyone who came out to see our headliner, Bedrock and Renaissance recording Artist, SPESH play last night! I am always amazed at the talent that comes from the decks when he=B9s spinning! Our main goal a= t future is and has always been to offer the 18+ some of the best producers i= n the progressive dance scene and to support our local djs as well. For those that attended, what did you think of our major change to the club? I notice= d a boost in the vibe because of it! We=B9d like to invite those of you who haven=B9t been out to Future yet, to do so. We are excited about this weekly event and have been going strong for 1.5 years now!!!!=20 Come out and support! Here's what we have going on at Future for the next few weeks....... Friday, July 27th G I R L P O W E R ! featuring.... K E N D R A F R E N C H D E N I S E aka D J D M E L A N I E D J E L Z ----------------- Friday, August 3rd G I A N N I M O R G A N ----------------- Friday, August 10th T H O M A S T R O U B L E U P H O N I C Coming Soon........ D O R A N (Crush Recordings, Los Angeles) P H I L S M A R T (Reachin=B9 Records, Australia) B R I A N S T I L L W A T E R (Undercurrent UK, Stellar Recordings) S T E V E P O R T E R (Fade, Hooj Choons, Lost Language Recordings) D : F U S E (Virgin, Perfecto, Niche, Funked Up Recordings) J A M E S N I C H E (Owner of Niche Recordings UK) oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I N T H E F U L L - B A R L O U N G E . . . . ::::::::: T H E I N D U S T R Y L O U N G E :::::::::: featuring... J O E L A N Z O N + special guest.... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D F U T U R E 375 First Street & Harrison in SF 18 & Over with valid ID Full-Bar Lounge for 21 and up! 9 pm - 2 am $10 before 10 pm $15 after 10 pm For more info, please call 415.281.0866 or http://www.globalparty.com --B_3078536293_551973-- From sfraves-return-69199-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 11:57:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68381 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 11:57:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68352 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 11:57:31 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.147] From: "innocentchild" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:56:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C111A1.7A358820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 11:57:04.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[42744D00:01C111DC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] cloudfactory.seven.year ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C111A1.7A358820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Off to a rocky start due to a cabling mishap sound got a little delayed = for the CF7yr. Saw a lot of people I knew out there and all in good = spirits while the sound issue was being sorted out. Big thnx to Jason = (dk) for being at his house still and having the needed cables. Things = started off with nTIMiD8tr playing some ooooollld ass trance that was = very good to hear. Surprising, but good! There must have been close to = 80 people on the beach by the time we left. Hope all of you out there = dancing are having a great time. I swear the sand really DOES sparkle! = Actually there was something phosphorencent in the sand and when kicked = it lit up! I'm off to bed but cheers to CF for another year of great = times!=20 r ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C111A1.7A358820-- From sfraves-return-69200-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 11:59:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70610 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 11:59:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70600 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 11:59:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.147] From: "innocentchild" To: "sodomize dragonflies" , References: <14375-3B596D67-6@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:57:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 11:58:50.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[818BE1B0:01C111DC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NOOOOO area 51 canclled What are you talking about?? I know for a fact that it's happening as I'll be setting up visuals there in 5 hours... Don't perpetuate rumors until you get it strait from the promoter that it's true... ----- Original Message ----- From: "sodomize dragonflies" To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 4:54 AM Subject: [sfraves] NOOOOO area 51 canclled i need proof..or summtin see iam driving 3 hours there and we have spent close to 200 bones on tickets now cool so not co0l ReVenGE Is LikE zfRuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto in fondo nelle gabbie....." "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." il bella' esodo .....il sorgere del sole eterno... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69201-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 12:01:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72162 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 12:01:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72152 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 12:01:36 -0000 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRwQVgyjxpg0iEoNRPxcmP7ypYbbgIVAJH0HbsoaqTkhydgJiiFa5UdTRYO From: BluE_FragglEz@webtv.net (sodomize dragonflies) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 05:01:34 -0700 (PDT) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <14371-3B596F1E-163@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "innocentchild" 's message of Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:57:57 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] rumors piss me off yeah i didnt believe it... anywas wanst starting rumors juss hopin someone would tell me wassup for sure.. iam not there iam here type thing ok then...=3D) ReVenGE Is LikE =9E=83RuiT It TaKeS TimE tO riPeN ... "una pregniera per il selvaggio na tenuto in fondo nelle gabbie....." "che me nutre me distrugge anche..." il bella' esodo .....il sorgere del sole eterno... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69202-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 13:02:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90840 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 13:02:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90830 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 13:02:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721130210.14356.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 06:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: sf raves , F 8 , Orphan List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Alternative to Area 51 I really am not interested in going to area 51, but would like to know if there is an alternative party to check out. I haven't heard of anything going on. Thanks so much. Jamie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69203-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 13:59:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6769 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 13:59:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6758 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 13:59:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721135902.34670.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 06:59:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: sf raves , F 8 , Orphan List Cc: "Soul A." , Mari Istyly , Dj Marr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello Review. Careful Jacob this one is long O.k. so my original plans was to go to the cloudfactory party, but for some reasons beyond my immediate control plans got changed. We headed out to Electric Jello. We got there around eleven. And thank god we knew Curly who was working the door because the venue was not the easiest to find.I called her on our celly's and she directed us in the right direction. As soon as I walked in it took me around twenty minutes to get through the threshold. It felt like a reunion. First off there was beautiful Mari in all her glory and looking as cute as possible, and then there was Kirstin with her little table of water and (thank you for having it there) Red Bull. I noticed Christoff just hanging around, and Scottie my beautiful Kandy kid minus the other half Charlie, Standing there with Tigger and his girl, and peanut too. I turned around to see Cocoa (who took a double stack of sobriety with me this night) walking in and Nichole as well. Pat was just chillen a little ways up. Magick was sporting his purple hat again. O.k. made my way downstairs and that is where i was pretty much most of the night. Came in as Valerie Sparks was up and I dance for pretty much all of her set. God I could never tire of her sets. Isn't she cute up there too. So much energy when she is in front of those tables. Cruise around to check out the venue. Very decent place. Only complaint: There was a line to smoke. I guess they would only let so many ppl on the patio. Oh well. I got to have my little breaks out there as much as possible. Heard Paul the Fan Man for the first time. My friends Lance and Reina have been hyping this boy up for me for some time now and I am glad they did. He was fucking dope. After him came on Tronic. Who BTW did not play my song *insert melodramatic tears here* Oh well next time right kid. Good set and i love the theme you closed with always a pleasure. ba nump, ba nump, ba nah nah nah nump. teehee. So adorable you behind those table hyping the crowd the way you do. Loving every moment of it you know I am. thanks for the cd and i hope you enjoy the one i gave you. My favorite tracks are 1 and 5. Now for my hellos' Hi to DJ J Marr i am sorry I didn't;t recognize you, will not happen again, Love ya. Maysom, Angelo, Anthony who I met on an out of state rave list but lives in the area, and jennifer, and Molly , you are soo cute thanks for the compliments, and Cheese, Love the hair cut BTW, Matt the one i met at Man in the Moon in sac, DC (I am sorry but it is so hard for you to seem threating to me when you have blues clues hanging from you neck) and Hector my kandy covered kitty and sliver and the mob of girls that bum rushed me as I rested by the patio door to cool off (is it so surprising to be sober at a party). After the party we had planned to still go by and check out the CLoudfactory party but two of the ppl I took got tired so we all headed home then back to my place to watch movies and chill. Thank you Sonic (my true love), Spaniard, Alex, Lance and Valerie I had a great time with you people tonight. The Chinese fire drill was funny, hahaha. Can't wait to do it again. Well i am off to greet Mr. Sandman after i finish watching Dogma with these guys. Love ya Your little Star Jamie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69204-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 14:54:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23915 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 14:54:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23905 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 14:54:37 -0000 Message-ID: <006101c111f5$5ff78040$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:55:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C111BA.828618A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - Venue Info!!! ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C111BA.828618A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oOoO AREA 51 OoOo Crop Circles in the Sun UNITEDSTATESWESTENDMASSIVE Today Saturday JULY 21st, 2001 Welcome In less than 12 hrs, the seventh Area 51 commences. We have heard from = people arriving from as far away as NYC, not to mention every major city = west of the Mississippi River, in anticipation for this event. Emails = from travelers visiting from Europe, assure us that this has become a = world class party not to be missed. Ever since the early 90's, Area 51 = has been one of the most talked about events in the west. This party is = different! For the first time ever, AREA 51 will take place at home, San = Francisco, CA.=20 Join us as Jack Dangers takes center stage in his first MEAT BEAT = MANIFESTO concert in years. S.U.N. Project has just arrived from = Hamburg, Germany, ready to rock SF for the second time this year. Binary = Finary, who just happen to have the most well known cybertrance track in = the world, have arrived for their first live performance in San = Francisco. The infamous Capt. Tinrib of the U.K., rebounds in from = Portland to screw with our heads a bit, while Baby Doc and SJ, also in = from Britain, are sure to get our feet jumping and hands o=D5pumping. = DHS, a.k.a. Dimensional Holophonic Sound, will be dual performing both = visuals for Meat Beat, and his own special raw tekno live set, while our = own hometown D&B and two step heros, Double Cross, join forces with = Audio Angel, Tuntablist Bean, and MC Wooka Wook. These are just the Live = performances! Add over fifty Dj's, local and World reknown, including: DAVE ANGEL, DJ IRENE, ANGEL ALANIS, TWISTED INDIVIDUAL, DJ SS w/ MC = WARREN G., FRANKIE BONES and HEATHER HEART, BRYAN ZENTZ, JOHN SELWAY, = and ANDRE MORANT.=20 Then let the old skool and new skool DJ=D5s of San Francisco take over = the decks and you got yourself a PARTY! This event presents a unique opportunity to our community. Being that = the location of AREA 51 has=20 been kept TOP SECRET, only people who read this will actually know where = the event is. If we were to only tell the location of the party to the = people we wanted to party with, chances are we will have an entire event = full of fun party people. *In other words, PLEASE LEAVE BAD ATTITUDES @ HOME!=20 The amount of fun we have at the party is really up to each of us. We = open our minds to open our hearts, so let the ways of the old, unfold, = into the knowledge and experiences of the new! PLUR We have worked hard to produce this event, help us make this a = memorable and safe event for everyone. Respect the neighborhood and = we'll see you at the party. =3D) -Do Bring=20 IDENTIFICATION, Canned food, Costumes, Friends, Disposable Cameras, = Wigs, Sunglasses, Funky Clothes, Blankets, Smiles, Good Vibes, = Flashlights, Photon Lights, and Lots and lots of energy! ---Don't Bring --- Food & Beverages, Drugs, Alcohol, Bad Vibes, Oversized Backpacks, Opened = Packs of cigarettes,=20 Markers and Paint (lose your right to enter), Hazardous items, = Fireworks, and Weapons of any kind. Please respect each other, others personal space, people of other ethnic = backgrounds, and people of the opposite sex. Be good to one another. = This is going to be a great summer! Check out what we are up to, on our sites that survived the DOT BOMB www.thumpradio.com - www.Universalunity.com - = www.harmonyproductions.com NOW FOR THE CLASSIFIED VENUE INFORMATION Due to circumstances beyond our control, we lost our original venue at = 2pm Friday afternoon. After what seemed like a series of never-ending = venue meetings, we worked out a way to make this event happen.we are = able to use 2 SEPARATE VENUES, one in Oakland and the other in San = Francisco. Please understand that this is NOT something that we = intended to have happen. The stage was set for the most epic event in = San Francisco's history, yet at the last minute, the venue fell through. = We figured that rather than canceling or postponing the show, we would = split the event up in order to accommodate ALL of our ticket holders. =20 After the show, we will release a full explanation of the series of = events that led up to this unfortunate outcome, but right now we can = only focus on one thing.... bringing together a kick ass production! So this is how it's going to work.=20 In order to get your access granted you *MUST first make a short trip to = our debriefing center, which opens at 3:30pm TODAY! This means that ALL = TICKET HOLDERS AND GUESTS need to go to Skills DJ Workshop @ 2575 = Telegraph Ave. in Berkeley. Once you get to SKILLS, you will receive = all of the information you will need to determine which of the two = venues you would like to goto. At this time, you will also receive your = AREA 51 access pass, which will allow you admittance into ONE of the = venues. In addition, you will be given a print out of time-slots and = locations for all of the artists. =20 All of our artists are confirmed and are being transported by our green = and gray friends AS WE SPEAK!!! Just to clarify, EVERYONE MUST go to the debriefing center (SKILLS DJ = WORKSHOP, BERKELEY) and get their access passes.=20 This includes: presale ticket holders, online ticket purchasers, guest = list, ticket give-a-way winners, press, etc.=20 AREA 51 is SOLD OUT!!! - do not attempt to come to this event without a = presale ticket. Your access WILL be DENIED!!! Call the info lines for directions to SKILLS DJ WORKSHOP: (408)486-9591 or (415)289-6788 Thank you and drive carefully, AREA 51 ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C111BA.828618A0-- From sfraves-return-69205-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 15:01:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27731 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 15:01:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27721 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 15:01:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.247.244.171] From: "craig newman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 08:00:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 15:00:34.0989 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5027DD0:01C111F5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 As for make up parties, they have already had parties where they let survival tickets in, you should have called the voice mail, there has been plenty of oppertunities >From: "DF doc" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:16:55 +0000 > >>Oh well what can we expect from brainchild, especially >>when Survival (the location announcement)was moved >>from Sacramento area to SF in one days notice, cutting >>DJ's and claiming to have free make up parties. >>Anyone here from them about the make up parties?! > >I was told by a rep from brainchild about a month ago that they are >"searching for a venue" for the make up parties which is bs I believe. >Those make up parties are WAY OVERDUE Mr. the almighty BrainChild! ha, what >a joke. Well, they already have a few parties in the making and have been >throwing parties meaning they scored venues meaning they have plenty of >opportunity for their make up parties meaning they don't give a F**K >anymore >about a make up party meaning they don't hold their word to their >supporters >meaning they don't give a flying F**k about you. > >As long as people don't speak up, they're not gonna do a free party for the >screwed Survival Patrons. They keep on selling and selling to people and >people keep on buying and buying from them, supporting them, so they have >no >reason to do anything for you since they are not being affected$$$ > >Brainchild...you can keep your make up parties. I won't even support you >when their free you shady bastard. >:[ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69206-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 16:28:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58895 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 16:28:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58884 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 16:28:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721162848.44909.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Wendy Chipps To: Greg Sandler , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <006101c111f5$5ff78040$1101000a@litterbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 Refund???? I am stunned that you lost your permits considering you advertised this on the radio!!! Are you offering refunds for those of us who don't and can't go to Berkerley? This is really not too cool, Greg. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69207-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 16:44:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65733 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 16:44:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65716 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 16:44:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.20.31.194] From: "Dave Sweeten" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:43:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 16:43:57.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[55F5B620:01C11204] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New to area, need ride to Area51 So, I just moved to the area from Salt Lake City, and I'd really like to go to Area51. If any cool peepz live in the East Bay/San Ramon area, and have room in thier vehicle, I will give gas funds. I know this may sound desperate, but I have no car down here, and I've been wanting to go to an Area51 party for years! I'm male, 22, and have been throwing parties and DJ'ing out for over 7 years in the SLC area. If you could find it in your heart to give a "cute breakbeat dj" a ride, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks Dave Sweeten _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69208-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 16:49:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69076 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 16:49:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69066 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 16:49:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3B59B281.626145CB@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:49:05 -0700 From: nima X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] can someone post the new venues/DJs/times can someone from either Area51 or anyone who knows, post with the new info, specifically: what the new venues are? which performers are at the different venues? what the new (i'm assuming they've changed) start and stop times of the party are.. i think people deserve to know this info as soon as possible nima --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69209-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 17:15:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84782 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 17:15:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84772 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 17:15:21 -0000 Message-ID: <00b801c11209$d38503c0$2605510c@sjsu.edu> From: "n i c o" To: References: <006101c111f5$5ff78040$1101000a@litterbox> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:23:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - Venue Info!!! My suggestion for meeting places at Area 51 is .... RIGHT ON THE DANCEFLOOR, FRONT AND CENTER! : ) love and techno n i c o --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69210-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 17:26:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88861 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 17:26:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88851 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 17:26:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.235] From: "innocentchild" To: "n i c o" , References: <006101c111f5$5ff78040$1101000a@litterbox> <00b801c11209$d38503c0$2605510c@sjsu.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:24:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 17:25:35.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[2710A620:01C1120A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - Venue Info!!! Well - I'm on my way now to one of the spaces (east bay) and that's where Viberation visuals will be. It's the mainroom location apparently, but since this is all still unfolding I'll leave the details to Greg. I'll still have the banner with me and will still be bringing the laminates. Hope to see some of you there since the party is getting ripped in two. Is it just me or is it getting harder and harder to throw a party?? ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "n i c o" To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - Venue Info!!! > My suggestion for meeting places at Area 51 is .... > > RIGHT ON THE DANCEFLOOR, FRONT AND CENTER! : ) > > love and techno > > n i c o > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69211-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 18:02:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3833 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 18:02:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3820 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 18:02:56 -0000 From: Megatron45@aol.com Message-ID: <10.fd7e31c.288b1db5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:02:29 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10.fd7e31c.288b1db5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] check out dj megatron @ area 51 --part1_10.fd7e31c.288b1db5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for those of yall on the list(that care to come check me out spin) well...i;ll be opening in the jungle room at one of the venue locations from 4pm to 5pm. hopefully traffic wont be a beotch so if you make it from the debreefing center to the venue on time u can catch me spin(hopefully). well...if u make it before i get off the tables i;ll be happy. peace thaMEGA --part1_10.fd7e31c.288b1db5_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69212-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 18:14:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10542 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 18:14:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10532 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 18:14:30 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 00:16:52 -0700 From: veanne To: Message-ID: <3F3.866%indochine@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <10.fd7e31c.288b1db5@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] check out dj megatron @ area 51 um hi... i'm confused... what time is area 51 suppose to start if mikey is spinning at 4pm?? utterly confused... -ve on 7/21/01 11:02 AM, Megatron45@aol.com at Megatron45@aol.com wrote: > for those of yall on the list(that care to come check me out spin) > well...i;ll be opening in the jungle room at one of the venue locations from > 4pm to 5pm. hopefully traffic wont be a beotch so if you make it from the > debreefing center to the venue on time u can catch me spin(hopefully). > well...if u make it before i get off the tables i;ll be happy. > > peace > > thaMEGA > - : contact - aim : mylai email - swervin@mylai.com homepage : www.mylai.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69213-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 18:17:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15956 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 18:17:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15944 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 18:17:53 -0000 From: Kbrice67@cs.com Message-ID: <110.2a6aeca.288b212c@cs.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:17:16 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 113 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] What is going on with Area 51? Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor that Area 51 has been canceled due to loss of venue? Just curious! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69214-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 18:48:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29553 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 18:48:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29511 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 18:48:34 -0000 Message-ID: <3B59CE50.CD7C194E@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:47:44 -0700 From: nima X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Megatron45@aol.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <10.fd7e31c.288b1db5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] check out dj megatron @ area 51 which venue will you (and i'm assumng the rest of the jungle) be at also do u know how the DJs are split up (i.e. if the techo (frankie bones, etc) is at same venue as jungle? thanks for any help, nima Megatron45@aol.com wrote: > for those of yall on the list(that care to come check me out spin) > well...i;ll be opening in the jungle room at one of the venue locations from > 4pm to 5pm. hopefully traffic wont be a beotch so if you make it from the > debreefing center to the venue on time u can catch me spin(hopefully). > well...if u make it before i get off the tables i;ll be happy. > > peace > > thaMEGA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69215-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 18:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31165 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 18:49:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31155 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 18:49:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721184858.61899.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:48:58 -0700 (PDT) From: FUckFace Johnson To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] WHAT? AGAIN??? area51 > In order to get your access granted you *MUST first > make a short trip to our debriefing center, which > opens at 3:30pm TODAY! This means that ALL TICKET > HOLDERS AND GUESTS need to go to Skills DJ Workshop > @ 2575 Telegraph Ave. in Berkeley. Once you get to > SKILLS, you will receive all of the information you > will need to determine which of the two venues you > would like to goto. At this time, you will also > receive your AREA 51 access pass, which will allow > you admittance into ONE of the venues. In addition, > you will be given a print out of time-slots and > locations for all of the artists. screwed by another massive. yippie. also, upon arriving at the debriefing center, all sucker ravers will be asked to drop their pants and then turn around and bend over. at least some of you won't mind and might actually enjoy that. that's the raving spirit, kiddies. i ain't down with that shit though. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69216-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 19:00:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35839 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 19:00:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35826 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 19:00:30 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:00:25 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - Venue Info!!! Aw damnnn. this is not a good time for ppl who don't drive (like it ever was... sigh) There is no way I'm getting to Berkeley from San Jose, much less without knowing which location and where I'll need to go after that. I remember the BSPs about Area 51 being in SF close to public transportation, should have known the way things are going now for massives that would be too good to be true. Nobody's fault, but it sucks. Damn I wanted to hear Sun Project again. =( --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69217-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 19:09:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41857 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 19:09:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41847 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 19:09:34 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:21:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 - Venue Info!!! Well, guess I lost my money on this one... There is no way I'm going to Skills on a Saturday afternoon with thousands of other poor peeps to be processed in order to get to some unknown venues. I would think that neither of these alternative venues can accommodate all of the ticket holders so some people will, most certainly, be unable to see the performers they paid to experience. This party should have been postponed until one workable venue could be found, or all money refunded and the party canceled, IMHO. Joey and I will be going to an underground in SF tonight. Cost: suggested donation of $5, and it goes all night. Love, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69218-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 19:16:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46774 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 19:16:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46723 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 19:16:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:09:41 -0700 From: xs To: SF Raves Message-ID: <20010721120941.A95268@undef.net> Mail-Followup-To: SF Raves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] area51 location? hey all, any guess as to where area51 is being held? none of the websites are much help (check back saturday, uhh, it is saturday.) thanks, -xs -- DJ++ (djplusplus@restlessradio.com) * http://www.restlessradio.com Restless Radio - Live Electronic Music, Shows and Events 24/7/365.4 Listen Now!: http://www.restlessradio.com/listen.pls DJs WANTED! EMAIL: spin@restlessradio.com "If I am going to hell, I'm gonna have a lot of company." -Tim McVeigh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69219-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 19:17:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49579 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 19:17:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49562 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 19:17:54 -0000 Message-ID: <004401c1121a$12bc1410$63f05140@jinx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: , References: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:19:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - Venue Info!!! if someone doesn't not want to go I will offer them 20 buck a piece for their tickets...So umm yah hehe if you got two tickets and you don't want to go hit me up.. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Apollo" To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 - Venue Info!!! > Well, guess I lost my money on this one... > > There is no way I'm going to Skills on a Saturday afternoon with thousands > of other poor peeps to be processed in order to get to some unknown venues. > I would think that neither of these alternative venues can accommodate all > of the ticket holders so some people will, most certainly, be unable to see > the performers they paid to experience. > > This party should have been postponed until one workable venue could be > found, or all money refunded and the party canceled, IMHO. > > Joey and I will be going to an underground in SF tonight. Cost: suggested > donation of $5, and it goes all night. > > Love, > > Apollo > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69220-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 19:33:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55834 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 19:33:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55824 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 19:33:24 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:43:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C111E2.B1780B00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 Info ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C111E2.B1780B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone with questions on area 51 venue and party, read Gregs post, so does that mean thousands of people are going to skills, it will be a party within itself, see ya all there!!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C111E2.B1780B00-- From sfraves-return-69221-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 19:41:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60352 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 19:41:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60342 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 19:41:12 -0000 From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Message-ID: <96.174ecf6f.288b34cd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:41:01 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 ticket for sale I don't feel like going all the way over to Berkeley to get a pass for a party that I maybe going to in SF. I paid $43 for it, but Im willing to part with it for $30. Anyone interested, call me and we can meet up. I live in San Francisco and try to call and arrange a meet up before 7pm, thanks! Peace, love and hugs! Bodhi ^ _ ^ (510) 551-4426 (cell number) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69222-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 19:56:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65306 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 19:56:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65293 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 19:56:54 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:56:48 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18647-3B54095C-126@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 info as of 12:45pm As of now, the info line says it's sold out and that the Skillz location will be open for ticketholders, guestlist ppl, press and everyone else from 4:20pm. That's going to be one interesting sight. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69223-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 20:12:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75878 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 20:12:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75868 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 20:12:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721201250.26998.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: MaJikmiSsTreSs To: veanne , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3F3.866%indochine@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] check out dj megatron @ area 51 ok...it was 6 to 6... now with all the changes does that mean its starting way earlier then anyone can get there, and ending at two as usual? well i guess the experience we were all going for just bit the dust. who really has the time to do all thats required now? i know it wasnt forseen but greg u've just flaked out on at least 25% of the ticket holders, and thats just a modest guess. m...(t) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69224-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 20:15:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77837 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 20:15:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77827 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 20:15:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721201541.6041.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:15:41 -0700 (PDT) From: girlcat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] castlemorton u.k. 20,000 person renegade! you know,i was in england at the time but i wasn't quite in the loop yet! too bad.... fuckin' amazing, huh? for some good u.k. rave history, check out Altered State: the story of Ecstasy Culture and Acid House by Matthew Colin published by Serpent's Tail. also good books are DIY Culture edited by George McKay, and Senseless Acts of Beauty by George McKay. these books are all pretty easy to find at good alternative bookstores, or they can be special ordered. Bound Together (shameless plug) often has them in stock. Altered State is an awesome read, too, btw. love, monicat p.s. the genoa solidarity action went well last night, considering it was organized in under 6 hours. a few hundred people, we took the streets marching through berkeley, stopped off at citibank and the gap. i even got over a bit of my speaking shyness and took the mike for a bit. we got decent media coverage on tv, too, which i'm always surprised by. and my friend in genoa wrote and told me he's ok, which i'm happy about. he said they're all pretty shaken up there. there's a larger march planned today. it felt good to do something locally. p.p.s. the imf and world bank are meeting in washington, d.c. sept. 28 to oct. 4 and there will be large protests there, for anyone who wants to go... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69225-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 20:47:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92889 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 20:47:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92862 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 20:47:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:50:28 -0700 From: Robert Warren To: Willie Knowles , Vincent Gong , Susan Hayman , "Doug McBrierty @ Pac Bell" , Lori Hwang , Milind Apte , Roger Ritland , Arlene Monroy , sfraves@hyperreal.org, sarah k , Ron Ho , Rohit , Robert Warren , Robert Warren , Rachel Warner , Mabel Wong , Lisa Mitchell , "L.Powell" , JP Cafe , Hard NRG List , Gary Taulbee , Gabrielle Mitchell , Emily Warren , Ella Yip , DJ Meow Chow , Diane Warren , defunkt@hoam.net, debbie@terranova-mb.com, David Bowhall , Chris McCarthy , "[ h a l o n ]" Message-id: <002701c11226$c6a5dae0$6501a8c0@notebook> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5YJHqihIQ+ctiLvG2BISWw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Virus Warning --Boundary_(ID_5YJHqihIQ+ctiLvG2BISWw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If you receive and email from Robert Warren and your not expecting anything, delete it without opening the attachment. For more information, go to: http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/07/20/computer.viruses/index.html --Boundary_(ID_5YJHqihIQ+ctiLvG2BISWw)-- From sfraves-return-69226-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 21:05:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5376 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 21:05:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5366 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 21:05:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.202.89.2] From: "DF doc" To: happee_1@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:05:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 21:05:25.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC806B80:01C11228] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 Look....we shouldn't be obligated to chase around promoters for a free party that they promised to give the folks that paid good money for a botched event. That's being way to desperate. It's their duty to inform those people. I just feel they should hold their word and PUT SOME EFFORT INTO IT. Why is there no mention about being able to get in free w/a Survival ticket stubb to those events they advertise on SFR? Because there is a isht load of those peeps on the list and they would LOSE MONEY KID! Bottom line, they didn't handle their promise in good fashion. The way they promoted their make up party made it seem like it was going to be only for the folks that got gyped for Survival, and if they would have gone throght w/it that way everything would have been all good in my eyes for the Survival party and Brainchild as a Staff and Party Production. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way so they lost out with us. Jose- >As for make up parties, they have already had parties where they let >survival tickets in, you should have called the voice mail, there has been >plenty of oppertunities _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69227-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 21:20:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10974 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 21:20:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10964 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 21:20:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Haskovec To: Robert Warren cc: In-Reply-To: <002701c11226$c6a5dae0$6501a8c0@notebook> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Virus Warning You're a virus. dan On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Robert Warren wrote: > If you receive and email from Robert Warren and your not expecting > anything, delete it without opening the attachment. > > For more information, go to: http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/07/20/computer.viruses/index.html > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69228-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 21:23:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13529 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 21:23:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13517 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 21:23:35 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:23:25 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 I lost out on my presale to Life in December, which got moved to the Maritime at the last minute. Lots of my friends lost out on their presales to Survival in March, which got moved to the Maritime at the last minute. Those are the breaks, but what really put me off Brainchild for good were the ugly porn videos at Orgy. Somebody already mentioned this, and yeh the name was a clue, but damn those visuals were just fucking depressing. > From: "DF doc" > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:05:24 +0000 > To: happee_1@hotmail.com > Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 > > Look....we shouldn't be obligated to chase around promoters for a free party > that they promised to give the folks that paid good money for a botched > event. That's being way to desperate. It's their duty to inform those > people. I just feel they should hold their word and PUT SOME EFFORT INTO > IT. > > Why is there no mention about being able to get in free w/a Survival ticket > stubb to those events they advertise on SFR? Because there is a isht load > of those peeps on the list and they would LOSE MONEY KID! > > Bottom line, they didn't handle their promise in good fashion. The way they > promoted their make up party made it seem like it was going to be only for > the folks that got gyped for Survival, and if they would have gone throght > w/it that way everything would have been all good in my eyes for the > Survival party and Brainchild as a Staff and Party Production. > > I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way so they lost out with us. > > Jose- > >> As for make up parties, they have already had parties where they let >> survival tickets in, you should have called the voice mail, there has been >> plenty of oppertunities > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69229-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 21:27:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15535 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 21:27:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15525 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 21:27:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.32.44] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:26:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 21:26:49.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9E3C040:01C1122B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello: REVIEW What's UP people! Man.. what a hectic night.. that's for sure.. here goes the review.. DJ Pat and I headed out from San Francisco at about 9:30.. start headin down the 101.. and saw a REAL bad accident take place on the Northbound side.. it was real crazy.. we were both trippin out on it. After we get passed that.. it's nothin but cruisin all the way there. We get to the venue at like 11:30.. and saw it pretty packed.. a real good turnout for DC and crew. Pat and I head straight downstairs.. Valerie Sparks was on the decks.. completely tearing it up like usual.. I've come to expect no less from her now.. I'm glad to have her in the same crew as I.. and she was tearin it up.. crowd was really into the Hardcore! Paul the Fan Man and Jinx were up next.. I'm not much of a UK HH/NRG fan.. but they were tearing it up for sure.. big props to both of them. I came up at 1:00.. I thought the crowd might have been tired before the last set.. but damn.. I guess everyone was ready for some Hard Beats! Thanks for supporting US Hard House!! It's nice to see everyone enjoying this new style! Shouts to everyone there.. I had a great time.. just in case ya couldn't tell.. HAH.. but seriously props to XTopia for coming through with this one and making it a memorable experience for me as well as everyone there. Special note: Paul the Fan Man lent me his headphones because mine were jacked from the weekend before.. extra special thanks to him.. it was much appreciated!.. and Jamie.. I'm making a mix with Tetris in it just for you. ;) Since it was my CD Release party.. I came with about 50 CDs.. but I didn't realize the demand would be so high for them.. so if you come out to Club Matrix next Friday, July 27.. I'm playing there.. I'll have a lot more CDs to hand out. Hope to see ya there! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69230-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 21:46:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25931 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 21:46:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25920 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 21:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721214635.46470.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? WTF is up with area 51??? Will SOMEBODY tell me WHERE on ANY flyer for this thing it says ANYTHING about this being two SEPERATE parties?!?!?!? I've seen some shadey things happen especially WRT/ massives, thus far... but THIS takes the F-ing cake... this is beyond shadey. This is downright sleazy. Everyone who's been in SF for more than a year... has THIS ever happened before??? Gawd... I've had parties get busted and cancelled on me before... and heard about plenty more getting busted... but a bait and switch??? That's a new one (for me at least). Or did I miss something in the infoline, and they're running shuttles between the two? If they are.. that's still pretty scummy. If not, I think they owe EVERYONE a refund. We all bought tickets, in good faith, for ONE partie, with ALL the DJs on the flyer... NOT for an either/or with only HALF the lineup. john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69231-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 21:51:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29587 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 21:51:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29576 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 21:51:07 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:00:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C111F5.EDE8C800" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Repost of Greg Msg, regarding Area 51 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C111F5.EDE8C800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NOW FOR THE CLASSIFIED VENUE INFORMATION Due to circumstances beyond our control, we lost our original venue at 2pm Friday afternoon. After what seemed like a series of never-ending venue meetings, we worked out a way to make this event happen.we are able to use 2 SEPARATE VENUES, one in Oakland and the other in San Francisco. Please understand that this is NOT something that we intended to have happen. The stage was set for the most epic event in San Francisco's history, yet at the last minute, the venue fell through. We figured that rather than canceling or postponing the show, we would split the event up in order to accommodate ALL of our ticket holders. After the show, we will release a full explanation of the series of events that led up to this unfortunate outcome, but right now we can only focus on one thing.... bringing together a kick ass production! So this is how it's going to work. In order to get your access granted you *MUST first make a short trip to our debriefing center, which opens at 3:30pm TODAY! This means that ALL TICKET HOLDERS AND GUESTS need to go to Skills DJ Workshop @ 2575 Telegraph Ave. in Berkeley. Once you get to SKILLS, you will receive all of the information you will need to determine which of the two venues you would like to goto. At this time, you will also receive your AREA 51 access pass, which will allow you admittance into ONE of the venues. In addition, you will be given a print out of time-slots and locations for all of the artists. All of our artists are confirmed and are being transported by our green and gray friends AS WE SPEAK!!! Just to clarify, EVERYONE MUST go to the debriefing center (SKILLS DJ WORKSHOP, BERKELEY) and get their access passes. This includes: presale ticket holders, online ticket purchasers, guest list, ticket give-a-way winners, press, etc. AREA 51 is SOLD OUT!!! - do not attempt to come to this event without a presale ticket. Your access WILL be DENIED!!! Call the info lines for directions to SKILLS DJ WORKSHOP: (408)486-9591 or (415)289-6788 Thank you and drive carefully, AREA 51 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C111F5.EDE8C800-- From sfraves-return-69232-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:07:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40199 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:07:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40188 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:07:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721220719.30721.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: MaJikmiSsTreSs To: "John B." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010721214635.46470.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? yesyesyes...there are two VERY seperate locations and you get admittance to ONE party...if i was paying i know id be pissed. makes u wonder if its even possible to pull off a good massive anymore. majik** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69233-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:16:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45997 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:16:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45983 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:16:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:16:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: innocentchild cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] cloudfactory.seven.year Hear, hear. The sound mishap gave everyone two hours of quiet chill time, which I really appreciated - it reminded me of high school, hanging out in parks or schoolyards at night with a twelve-pack of cheap beer and a group of your closest friends. The lack of music didn't matter, because everyone seemed to use the time to socialize and connect with new and old friends. It also kicked up the anticipation, and when the sound finally got sorted out nTIMid8r justified the wait with an 1 1/2 hour set of early-to-mid 90's trance. It felt as though I recognized every other song that was played, and all of them triggered warm memories - Access, Rising High, Orbital, Underworld, and a ton of others whose names I don't remember. That really set the tone for me: this was one of those few parties that really got me *excited*. It was bust-bait, it was thrown seat-of-the-pants style, it was dark, and it was minimal. Despite (or perhaps because of) all that, it also felt vital and real. Everything was a prefect mixture of old and new: a beach location that's been in regular use for the past 6 years (to my limited knowledge), new people I've never met before, music that I remember first pulling me into the rave culture, elements of techno and electro that I'm only now beginning to hear out on a regular basis, and a lot of the folks that I've been seeing around for ages now. The one thing that I regretted was that some of the "new" people didn't stick around until morning. Music kept going until 8:30am, and if anything the vibe of the party got better and better until the sheriff showed up and asked us to please leave. Luckily, by that point, the sound equipment was packed up and the cops were surprised to discover that the trash had already been cleaned out. Must sleep, -mike. >Off to a rocky start due to a cabling mishap sound got a little delayed >for the CF7yr. Saw a lot of people I knew out there and all in good >spirits while the sound issue was being sorted out. Big thnx to Jason >(dk) for being at his house still and having the needed cables. Things >started off with nTIMiD8tr playing some ooooollld ass trance that was >very good to hear. Surprising, but good! There must have been close to >80 people on the beach by the time we left. Hope all of you out there >dancing are having a great time. I swear the sand really DOES sparkle! >Actually there was something phosphorencent in the sand and when kicked >it lit up! I'm off to bed but cheers to CF for another year of great >times! > >r > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69234-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:18:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48048 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:18:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48038 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:18:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.197.47] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: princessmajik@yahoo.com, svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:17:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 22:17:39.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3C763C0:01C11232] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? what happened to the bill graham civic center? hehe...i thought that place was cool.... .choco. dj_choco@hotmail.com "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to make your own reality." -words by choco >From: MaJikmiSsTreSs >To: "John B." , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:07:19 -0700 (PDT) > >yesyesyes...there are two VERY seperate locations and >you get admittance to ONE party...if i was paying i >know id be pissed. makes u wonder if its even possible >to pull off a good massive anymore. majik** > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69235-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:20:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49762 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:20:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49751 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:20:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721222010.23110.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:20:10 -0700 (PDT) From: trancsonic To: DF doc , happee_1@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 Check the Limelight/Records Tour flyers. Make-up coming in October --- DF doc wrote: > Look....we shouldn't be obligated to chase around > promoters for a free party > that they promised to give the folks that paid good > money for a botched > event. That's being way to desperate. It's their > duty to inform those > people. I just feel they should hold their word and > PUT SOME EFFORT INTO > IT. > > Why is there no mention about being able to get in > free w/a Survival ticket > stubb to those events they advertise on SFR? > Because there is a isht load > of those peeps on the list and they would LOSE MONEY > KID! > > Bottom line, they didn't handle their promise in > good fashion. The way they > promoted their make up party made it seem like it > was going to be only for > the folks that got gyped for Survival, and if they > would have gone throght > w/it that way everything would have been all good in > my eyes for the > Survival party and Brainchild as a Staff and Party > Production. > > I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way so > they lost out with us. > > Jose- > > >As for make up parties, they have already had > parties where they let > >survival tickets in, you should have called the > voice mail, there has been > >plenty of oppertunities > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69236-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:21:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52201 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:21:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52191 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:21:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <009301c11233$6746a680$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "DJ CHOCO" , , , References: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:20:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? after skills 3 bill graham isnt able to be used again... due to a few people ODing and other bullshit that pissed the venue off... too bad it was a fun venue L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ CHOCO" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > what happened to the bill graham civic center? hehe...i thought that place > was cool.... > > > .choco. > dj_choco@hotmail.com > "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to make > your own reality." -words by choco > > > > >From: MaJikmiSsTreSs > >To: "John B." , sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:07:19 -0700 (PDT) > > > >yesyesyes...there are two VERY seperate locations and > >you get admittance to ONE party...if i was paying i > >know id be pissed. makes u wonder if its even possible > >to pull off a good massive anymore. majik** > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69237-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:25:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54147 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:25:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54133 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:25:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721222511.27508.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: trancsonic To: DJ CHOCO , princessmajik@yahoo.com, svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? Heard that taggers screwed everyone on that place. Popsikle was the last one that can take place there. --- DJ CHOCO wrote: > what happened to the bill graham civic center? > hehe...i thought that place > was cool.... > > > .choco. > dj_choco@hotmail.com > "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your > own imagination to make > your own reality." -words by choco > > > > >From: MaJikmiSsTreSs > >To: "John B." , > sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:07:19 -0700 (PDT) > > > >yesyesyes...there are two VERY seperate locations > and > >you get admittance to ONE party...if i was paying i > >know id be pissed. makes u wonder if its even > possible > >to pull off a good massive anymore. majik** > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69238-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:28:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56191 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:27:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56177 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:27:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721222756.8854.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? Grrr... So my first SFRaves digest of the day comes in AFTER I rant to the list... sorry guys. I just now read Greg Sandler claiming he got screwed at the last minute that having two parties was not his intention. But although I was perhaps too caustic, I think my points still stand. Area51 is NOT delivering what it promised people who the bought tickets in good faith. I think the shuttles between the two parties idea is the LEAST that the crews should do. If they're NOT going to shuttle people, than they should refund half the ticket price, since they are only delivering HALF of the party that people have paid for. I have to wonder tho...WTF is going on playing the venue game fast and loose with a bigass (advertised all over radio no less...) massive??? This isn't some 500 person underground with $5 tickets... How the hell do you plan a massive with a capacity in the thousands, $40 tickets, and all kinds of PUBLIC promotion, without having your contract with the venue signed *WELL* in advance???? That's something that has baffled me since day one... cya john > >From: "John B." >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) > > >WTF is up with area 51??? > >Will SOMEBODY tell me WHERE on ANY flyer for this thing it says ANYTHING >about >this being two SEPERATE parties?!?!?!? > >I've seen some shadey things happen especially WRT/ massives, thus far... >but >THIS takes the F-ing cake... this is beyond shadey. This is downright >sleazy. > >Everyone who's been in SF for more than a year... has THIS ever happened >before??? Gawd... I've had parties get busted and cancelled on me >before... >and heard about plenty more getting busted... but a bait and switch??? >That's a >new one (for me at least). > >Or did I miss something in the infoline, and they're running shuttles >between >the two? If they are.. that's still pretty scummy. If not, I think they >owe >EVERYONE a refund. We all bought tickets, in good faith, for ONE partie, >with >ALL the DJs on the flyer... NOT for an either/or with only HALF the lineup. > > >john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69239-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:38:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63461 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:38:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63451 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:38:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:36:54 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <003201c11236$5ff9b9a0$1378ce3f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C111FA.F7F7C170" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 times???? ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C111FA.F7F7C170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How long are either of these venues lasting? i knwo the sf one has to = end at 2 but what about oakland??? w0o0o0dEeE ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C111FA.F7F7C170-- From sfraves-return-69240-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:50:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70379 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:50:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70369 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:50:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721225027.78847.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:50:27 -0700 (PDT) From: trancsonic To: "John B." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010721222756.8854.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? My guess, they did have the contract signed in advance (remember Thump Radio was part of this too, along with a shit load of other groups. NO ONE is going to bring in a line-up like that without first having venue locked. Problem is, venue owners are getting shady too these days. Goverment too. In order to secure a venue, you need to get all these whack ass permits. They (officials, feds, w/e) say "sure you can have your piece of paper, give us 50-zillion dollars." Promoter gives them the $$$, but what is to make sure the feds don't go "whoops...we made a mistake...we are taking away your piece of paper." Who is going to hold them accountable?? Answer??? NO ONE!!!! They have the ultimate power....and, let's face it, the scene is their current target --- "John B." wrote: > > Grrr... > > So my first SFRaves digest of the day comes in AFTER > I rant to the list... > sorry guys. I just now read Greg Sandler claiming > he got screwed at the last > minute that having two parties was not his > intention. > > But although I was perhaps too caustic, I think my > points still stand. Area51 > is NOT delivering what it promised people who the > bought tickets in good faith. > I think the shuttles between the two parties idea > is the LEAST that the crews > should do. If they're NOT going to shuttle people, > than they should refund > half the ticket price, since they are only > delivering HALF of the party that > people have paid for. > > I have to wonder tho...WTF is going on playing the > venue game fast and loose > with a bigass (advertised all over radio no less...) > massive??? This isn't > some 500 person underground with $5 tickets... How > the hell do you plan a > massive with a capacity in the thousands, $40 > tickets, and all kinds of PUBLIC > promotion, without having your contract with the > venue signed *WELL* in > advance???? > > That's something that has baffled me since day > one... > > > cya > john > > > > > >From: "John B." > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >WTF is up with area 51??? > > > >Will SOMEBODY tell me WHERE on ANY flyer for this > thing it says ANYTHING > >about > >this being two SEPERATE parties?!?!?!? > > > >I've seen some shadey things happen especially WRT/ > massives, thus far... > >but > >THIS takes the F-ing cake... this is beyond shadey. > This is downright > >sleazy. > > > >Everyone who's been in SF for more than a year... > has THIS ever happened > >before??? Gawd... I've had parties get busted and > cancelled on me > >before... > >and heard about plenty more getting busted... but a > bait and switch??? > >That's a > >new one (for me at least). > > > >Or did I miss something in the infoline, and > they're running shuttles > >between > >the two? If they are.. that's still pretty scummy. > If not, I think they > >owe > >EVERYONE a refund. We all bought tickets, in good > faith, for ONE partie, > >with > >ALL the DJs on the flyer... NOT for an either/or > with only HALF the lineup. > > > > > >john > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69241-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:52:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71906 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:52:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71896 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:52:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010721225253.67722.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:52:53 -0700 (PDT) From: MaJikMiSsTreSs To: w00dy , Sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <003201c11236$5ff9b9a0$1378ce3f@justin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 times???? possibly longer in oakland, but it doesnt seem good....(at least from here..) and here i was worried that i'd have to stay up all night... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69242-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 22:59:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74759 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 22:59:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74749 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 22:59:36 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00a401c11238$ae0de7e0$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "John B." , References: <20010721222756.8854.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:58:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? What did area 51 promise in the first place...??? if u are going to parties you have to be able to read between the lines... they never announced a venue partially because they never had one... If u bought tickets and are upset maybe this will cause u to think about buying tickets to events u dont know anything about.. little undergrounds are different from massives.. and i believe that all massive events should post their venue early on during their promotion so that people who are traveling a long way dont get screwed... Ya Know...? L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John B." To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > > Grrr... > > So my first SFRaves digest of the day comes in AFTER I rant to the list... > sorry guys. I just now read Greg Sandler claiming he got screwed at the last > minute that having two parties was not his intention. > > But although I was perhaps too caustic, I think my points still stand. Area51 > is NOT delivering what it promised people who the bought tickets in good faith. > I think the shuttles between the two parties idea is the LEAST that the crews > should do. If they're NOT going to shuttle people, than they should refund > half the ticket price, since they are only delivering HALF of the party that > people have paid for. > > I have to wonder tho...WTF is going on playing the venue game fast and loose > with a bigass (advertised all over radio no less...) massive??? This isn't > some 500 person underground with $5 tickets... How the hell do you plan a > massive with a capacity in the thousands, $40 tickets, and all kinds of PUBLIC > promotion, without having your contract with the venue signed *WELL* in > advance???? > > That's something that has baffled me since day one... > > > cya > john > > > > > >From: "John B." > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >WTF is up with area 51??? > > > >Will SOMEBODY tell me WHERE on ANY flyer for this thing it says ANYTHING > >about > >this being two SEPERATE parties?!?!?!? > > > >I've seen some shadey things happen especially WRT/ massives, thus far... > >but > >THIS takes the F-ing cake... this is beyond shadey. This is downright > >sleazy. > > > >Everyone who's been in SF for more than a year... has THIS ever happened > >before??? Gawd... I've had parties get busted and cancelled on me > >before... > >and heard about plenty more getting busted... but a bait and switch??? > >That's a > >new one (for me at least). > > > >Or did I miss something in the infoline, and they're running shuttles > >between > >the two? If they are.. that's still pretty scummy. If not, I think they > >owe > >EVERYONE a refund. We all bought tickets, in good faith, for ONE partie, > >with > >ALL the DJs on the flyer... NOT for an either/or with only HALF the lineup. > > > > > >john > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69243-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 23:04:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77220 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 23:04:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77209 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 23:04:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00b101c11239$6d9b1380$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "trancsonic" , "John B." , References: <20010721225027.78847.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:04:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? The feds didnt pull their permits (i dont think) If they had a "secure" venue they would have announced the location i think... me thinks they struggled with venue shit tha whole time and the city screwed em at the last minute... now if history has taught us anything its that moving a massive to maritime hall is dumb and can result in death (Survival) hopefully the new 2-part Area 51 will go down successfully but i predict a lot of angry ticket holders wont get in... we will c L8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "trancsonic" To: "John B." ; Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > My guess, they did have the contract signed in advance > (remember Thump Radio was part of this too, along with > a shit load of other groups. NO ONE is going to bring > in a line-up like that without first having venue > locked. Problem is, venue owners are getting shady > too these days. Goverment too. In order to secure a > venue, you need to get all these whack ass permits. > They (officials, feds, w/e) say "sure you can have > your piece of paper, give us 50-zillion dollars." > Promoter gives them the $$$, but what is to make sure > the feds don't go "whoops...we made a mistake...we are > taking away your piece of paper." Who is going to > hold them accountable?? Answer??? NO ONE!!!! They > have the ultimate power....and, let's face it, the > scene is their current target > > > --- "John B." wrote: > > > > Grrr... > > > > So my first SFRaves digest of the day comes in AFTER > > I rant to the list... > > sorry guys. I just now read Greg Sandler claiming > > he got screwed at the last > > minute that having two parties was not his > > intention. > > > > But although I was perhaps too caustic, I think my > > points still stand. Area51 > > is NOT delivering what it promised people who the > > bought tickets in good faith. > > I think the shuttles between the two parties idea > > is the LEAST that the crews > > should do. If they're NOT going to shuttle people, > > than they should refund > > half the ticket price, since they are only > > delivering HALF of the party that > > people have paid for. > > > > I have to wonder tho...WTF is going on playing the > > venue game fast and loose > > with a bigass (advertised all over radio no less...) > > massive??? This isn't > > some 500 person underground with $5 tickets... How > > the hell do you plan a > > massive with a capacity in the thousands, $40 > > tickets, and all kinds of PUBLIC > > promotion, without having your contract with the > > venue signed *WELL* in > > advance???? > > > > That's something that has baffled me since day > > one... > > > > > > cya > > john > > > > > > > > > >From: "John B." > > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > >WTF is up with area 51??? > > > > > >Will SOMEBODY tell me WHERE on ANY flyer for this > > thing it says ANYTHING > > >about > > >this being two SEPERATE parties?!?!?!? > > > > > >I've seen some shadey things happen especially WRT/ > > massives, thus far... > > >but > > >THIS takes the F-ing cake... this is beyond shadey. > > This is downright > > >sleazy. > > > > > >Everyone who's been in SF for more than a year... > > has THIS ever happened > > >before??? Gawd... I've had parties get busted and > > cancelled on me > > >before... > > >and heard about plenty more getting busted... but a > > bait and switch??? > > >That's a > > >new one (for me at least). > > > > > >Or did I miss something in the infoline, and > > they're running shuttles > > >between > > >the two? If they are.. that's still pretty scummy. > > If not, I think they > > >owe > > >EVERYONE a refund. We all bought tickets, in good > > faith, for ONE partie, > > >with > > >ALL the DJs on the flyer... NOT for an either/or > > with only HALF the lineup. > > > > > > > > >john > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69244-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 23:06:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78623 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 23:06:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78612 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 23:06:12 -0000 From: "David E. Weekly" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:05:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002701c11226$c6a5dae0$6501a8c0@notebook> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] saturday night house grooves? Anything going tonight for someone who likes a funky groove and would like to get down? -d --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69245-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 23:15:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84749 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 23:15:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84739 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 23:15:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: terry@saturn5.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:14:36 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: terry estioko Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] cloudfactory.seven.year (from the Area 51 locale) yes, yes, that was a great little party. Very chill, awesome people, killer choons. It was almost as if the party was on auto-pilot. I guess that happens when the same people throw the same style party 7 years in a row. Cloudfactory does it again. Right on. Btw, I'm writing this from a wireless broadband connection from inside the Area 51 Oakland venue. Right now I'm staring at a buttload of intelligent lighting, speaker stacks, and sitting next to one of the Meat Beat guys. This place looks like it's ready for a party to happen. -terry >Hear, hear. > >The sound mishap gave everyone two hours of quiet chill time, which I >really appreciated - it reminded me of high school, hanging out in parks >or schoolyards at night with a twelve-pack of cheap beer and a group of >your closest friends. The lack of music didn't matter, because everyone >seemed to use the time to socialize and connect with new and old friends. > >It also kicked up the anticipation, and when the sound finally got sorted >out nTIMid8r justified the wait with an 1 1/2 hour set of early-to-mid >90's trance. It felt as though I recognized every other song that was >played, and all of them triggered warm memories - Access, Rising High, >Orbital, Underworld, and a ton of others whose names I don't remember. > >That really set the tone for me: this was one of those few parties that >really got me *excited*. It was bust-bait, it was thrown seat-of-the-pants >style, it was dark, and it was minimal. Despite (or perhaps because of) >all that, it also felt vital and real. Everything was a prefect mixture of >old and new: a beach location that's been in regular use for the past 6 >years (to my limited knowledge), new people I've never met before, music >that I remember first pulling me into the rave culture, elements of techno >and electro that I'm only now beginning to hear out on a regular basis, >and a lot of the folks that I've been seeing around for ages now. > >The one thing that I regretted was that some of the "new" people didn't >stick around until morning. Music kept going until 8:30am, and if anything >the vibe of the party got better and better until the sheriff showed up >and asked us to please leave. Luckily, by that point, the sound equipment >was packed up and the cops were surprised to discover that the trash had >already been cleaned out. > >Must sleep, >-mike. > > >Off to a rocky start due to a cabling mishap sound got a little delayed > >for the CF7yr. Saw a lot of people I knew out there and all in good > >spirits while the sound issue was being sorted out. Big thnx to Jason > >(dk) for being at his house still and having the needed cables. Things > >started off with nTIMiD8tr playing some ooooollld ass trance that was > >very good to hear. Surprising, but good! There must have been close to > >80 people on the beach by the time we left. Hope all of you out there > >dancing are having a great time. I swear the sand really DOES sparkle! > >Actually there was something phosphorencent in the sand and when kicked > >it lit up! I'm off to bed but cheers to CF for another year of great > >times! > > > >r > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -------------------------------------------- terry estioko | terry@estioko.com http://www.estioko.com http://www.viberation.com "Those who dance are thought mad by those who hear not the music" ~unknown --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69246-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 23:27:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90277 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 23:27:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90267 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 23:27:29 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Buzz" To: "SF Raves" Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] A DJ for you to IDOLIZE!! Check this guy out, you know you want to be like him! =) http://www.supergreg.com/ - Buzz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69247-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 21 23:57:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3219 invoked by uid 1104); 21 Jul 2001 23:57:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3209 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 23:57:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.126.81] From: "D D" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:57:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 23:57:04.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7562B00:01C11240] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ticket to 51 now 4:51 pm sat 21 going to Berkely for briefing. I have one tic available: reach me at 415 310 7901, don. Hurry, i'm getting on a bart at 8th st in the city. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69248-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 00:01:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5387 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 00:01:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5377 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 00:01:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722000112.19587.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: trancsonic To: E S M O , "John B." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <00b101c11239$6d9b1380$1e02fea9@djesmo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? Hopefully there is some explanation at some point. In the meantime, let's just hope everyone who gets in comes home safe. Peace- Chris --- E S M O wrote: > The feds didnt pull their permits > (i dont think) > If they had a "secure" venue they would have > announced the location > i think... > me thinks they struggled with venue shit tha whole > time and the city screwed > em at the last minute... > now if history has taught us anything > its that moving a massive to maritime hall is dumb > and can result in death (Survival) > hopefully the new 2-part Area 51 > will go down successfully > but i predict a lot of angry ticket holders wont get > in... > we will c > L8 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "trancsonic" > To: "John B." ; > > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > > > > My guess, they did have the contract signed in > advance > > (remember Thump Radio was part of this too, along > with > > a shit load of other groups. NO ONE is going to > bring > > in a line-up like that without first having venue > > locked. Problem is, venue owners are getting > shady > > too these days. Goverment too. In order to > secure a > > venue, you need to get all these whack ass > permits. > > They (officials, feds, w/e) say "sure you can have > > your piece of paper, give us 50-zillion dollars." > > Promoter gives them the $$$, but what is to make > sure > > the feds don't go "whoops...we made a mistake...we > are > > taking away your piece of paper." Who is going to > > hold them accountable?? Answer??? NO ONE!!!! > They > > have the ultimate power....and, let's face it, the > > scene is their current target > > > > > > --- "John B." wrote: > > > > > > Grrr... > > > > > > So my first SFRaves digest of the day comes in > AFTER > > > I rant to the list... > > > sorry guys. I just now read Greg Sandler > claiming > > > he got screwed at the last > > > minute that having two parties was not his > > > intention. > > > > > > But although I was perhaps too caustic, I think > my > > > points still stand. Area51 > > > is NOT delivering what it promised people who > the > > > bought tickets in good faith. > > > I think the shuttles between the two parties > idea > > > is the LEAST that the crews > > > should do. If they're NOT going to shuttle > people, > > > than they should refund > > > half the ticket price, since they are only > > > delivering HALF of the party that > > > people have paid for. > > > > > > I have to wonder tho...WTF is going on playing > the > > > venue game fast and loose > > > with a bigass (advertised all over radio no > less...) > > > massive??? This isn't > > > some 500 person underground with $5 tickets... > How > > > the hell do you plan a > > > massive with a capacity in the thousands, $40 > > > tickets, and all kinds of PUBLIC > > > promotion, without having your contract with the > > > venue signed *WELL* in > > > advance???? > > > > > > That's something that has baffled me since day > > > one... > > > > > > > > > cya > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "John B." > > > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > >WTF is up with area 51??? > > > > > > > >Will SOMEBODY tell me WHERE on ANY flyer for > this > > > thing it says ANYTHING > > > >about > > > >this being two SEPERATE parties?!?!?!? > > > > > > > >I've seen some shadey things happen especially > WRT/ > > > massives, thus far... > > > >but > > > >THIS takes the F-ing cake... this is beyond > shadey. > > > This is downright > > > >sleazy. > > > > > > > >Everyone who's been in SF for more than a > year... > > > has THIS ever happened > > > >before??? Gawd... I've had parties get busted > and > > > cancelled on me > > > >before... > > > >and heard about plenty more getting busted... > but a > > > bait and switch??? > > > >That's a > > > >new one (for me at least). > > > > > > > >Or did I miss something in the infoline, and > > > they're running shuttles > > > >between > > > >the two? If they are.. that's still pretty > scummy. > > > If not, I think they > > > >owe > > > >EVERYONE a refund. We all bought tickets, in > good > > > faith, for ONE partie, > > > >with > > > >ALL the DJs on the flyer... NOT for an > either/or > > > with only HALF the lineup. > > > > > > > > > > > >john > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make international calls for as low as > $.04/minute > > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69249-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 00:04:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11399 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 00:04:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11387 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 00:04:54 -0000 Message-ID: <3F6167E5C398B14CA5CC0F4A1E1829B3279778@mail.HCD21.COM> From: Dinh Nguyen To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.org'" Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:04:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11241.ECB0152D" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 ticket needed... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11241.ECB0152D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, If anyone has an extra ticket for Area51 please call me at 408 857 5352. I need one more ticket and I live in San Jose. I don't mind picking up your ticket. PLUR Dinh ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11241.ECB0152D-- From sfraves-return-69250-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 00:21:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18914 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 00:21:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18904 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 00:21:31 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:21:19 -0700 From: vix To: SF Raves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] A DJ for you to IDOLIZE!! Heck, I want to have his love child =) > > Check this guy out, you know you want to be like him! =) > > http://www.supergreg.com/ > > - Buzz > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69251-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 00:29:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25711 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 00:29:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25701 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 00:29:01 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5A1E48.F25B9206@home.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:28:56 -0700 From: Nicola Rae Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: terry estioko CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] cloudfactory.seven.year (from the Area 51 locale) Yeah, I'm definitley glad I made it out last night! It felt so nice just to be out in the fresh air. Such a relaxing night! Although I was a little dissappointed when I get a message around 4:00 after I woke up today that my work had called saying I needed to be there! WHAT??? I went out last night because I knew I was working on sunday... not saturday! grrr!!!! I checked TWICE! and both times it said nothing about saturday... only sunday! Then I call in and despite the fact that I have said "only once a weekend I will work," they schedual me, but just kind of didn't write it down or something. Ah... damn them... I quit!!! But anyways, at least I had a great night at cf, at a beautiful beach, with great music, and awesome people. It did take a while for the music to start but when it finally did, at nearly 2:00, it was just all the better from anticipating it for so long. It got pretty chilly after a while but dancing changed all that. I can't believe the two who actually went in the ocean in their bathing suits! ack! I was cold just watching them! All in all great night! Long drive, but it was worth it. Hope everyone had a great friday night as well! take care all. -Nicola- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69252-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 00:40:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29749 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 00:40:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29739 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 00:40:31 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c11247$3affb8a0$41c10518@pinol1.sfba.home.com> From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:42:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Please Delete Paging Rachel From Minesota I have not used Sfraves for a messaging service for a long time, but here it goes. I lost your number, I've been looking for it for a couple hours now. please call me. - jeremy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69253-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 01:05:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46129 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 01:05:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46118 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 01:05:52 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c1124b$698c15c0$198df7d1@brak> From: "Emily Edwards" To: "F-8" , "SFR" Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:11:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C11210.9B847350" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Electric Jello review ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C11210.9B847350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok kiddies...here's my review for Electric Jello. I know it's a little = delayed, but I haven't had a chance to get to a computer most of the = day. Anyway...We got there around 9, took a look around and saw a few = people we knew. I went back up to the top room and damn!! The DJ wasn't = even mixing the records...he would throw a record on, then let it play = out, then put another record on...all the while waving his hands in the = air like he was master of the turn tables *sigh*. Well, as for the other = DJs, DJ D tore it up in the top room, while Valerie Sparks was bumpin in = the bottom room. But uhh, The security could have been a little = friendlier, but the venue was cool *reminds me of the Masonic Temple a = bit*, the crew people were cool, and THANK GOD FOR REAL BATHROOMS!!! = Over all, this party was quite alright. So thanks to the crew who put = this lil shindig together =3D) ~*Emily*~ www.core-nrg.net Freedom defined is freedom denied... ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C11210.9B847350-- From sfraves-return-69254-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 01:52:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62329 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 01:51:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62319 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 01:51:58 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c11251$3670d620$41c10518@pinol1.sfba.home.com> From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:54:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] B.S.P : Clean Plate Club - Sat.July.21 - Chris Jackson vs Andy W! I thought I'd repost this to SFraves, I figured there might be alot of people out there looking for a place to hear some techno and tech-house tonight. This event is 21+, and is guarenteed to have quality beats. - jeremy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Big Appetite" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:07 PM > > Subject: Clean Plate Club - Sat.July.21 - Chris Jackson vs Andy W! > > > > > Techno is not a fad. It is not going to die. Ever. It will not > > > come and go with the changings of hairstyles, operating > > > systems, and new flavors of Doritos. Techno is raw and > > > pure electronic rhythm - the timeless heartbeat of the > > > universe channelled through plastic discs and vibrating > > > boxes. As many of us have felt so personally, techno is > > > most certainly a force of good, a force filled with energy > > > and emotion that ignites our minds and feeds our souls. So > > > be nice to techno, and it just might be very, very nice to > > > you. Techno in San Francisco is alive and kickin'. Let's > > > gather round the tables and kick it again tonight. > > > > > > ======================================= > > > > > > big appetite presents.... > > > > > > CLEAN PLATE CLUB > > > > > > Saturday, July 21st > > > (& every 3rd Saturday) > > > > > > An Sibin > > > 1176 Sutter @ Polk, SF > > > 21+ w/ ID > > > > > > 9pm - 2am > > > > > > $7 (free til 9:30) > > > > > > > > > With tender and juicy guest DJs: > > > > > > ========= Chris Jackson vs. AndyW =========== > > > resource records : san jose | resource / viberation : sj > > > 12:00-2:00 > > > (the bay's favorite techno thumpers keepin' it deep and clean) > > > > > > ============= Chad Mindrive ================ > > > erotishock / clean plate club > > > 10:30-12:00 > > > (deep tech-house maestro blowin' your mind every time) > > > > > > ============ Protolab - LIVE PA ============== > > > exact-science / cybrid / aelectro > > > 9:00-10:30 > > > (spicy laptop appetizers from a 10yr production veteran) > > > > > > > > > Hope to see all you techno / tech-house fans (and hungry > > > housecats) out next Saturday to show your support of the > > > local scene. Thanks again to Andre Lucero and Nikola for > > > their amazing performances last month. Absolutely crackin'! > > > > > > And for all you die-hard house fans out there: > > > Ooooh, girl, do we have a treat for you next month!!! > > > > > > Peace and progress to all, > > > > > > ----> Greg "if only I ate like a" Bird > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > > For "add" or "remove" requests reply to sender and consider > > > it as good as done. Otherwise, please FORWARD this > > > message to any dancers, drinkers, laughers, lovers and > > > appreciators of sublime beats that ought to know. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69255-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 02:15:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71920 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 02:15:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71910 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 02:15:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: Nicola Rae cc: terry estioko , In-Reply-To: <3B5A1E48.F25B9206@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] cloudfactory.seven.year (from the Area 51 locale) On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Nicola Rae wrote: -&e-> But anyways, at least I had a great night at cf, at a beautiful beach, -&e->with great music, and awesome people. It did take a while for the music -&e->to start but when it finally did, at nearly 2:00, it was just all the -&e->better from anticipating it for so long. It got pretty chilly after a a. a cloudfactory with no music for a couple hours is still a great party. b. i broke my frigging toe carrying my old bassbins. ouch. c. had a blast getting in the pacific for a couple seconds. RUSH! d. confused rangers and cops rock. e. never underestimate the power of spending a couple hours with people you've known and loved for years. A wicked evening. andyw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69256-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 02:25:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76134 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 02:25:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76122 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 02:25:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3B5A1E48.F25B9206@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] cloudfactory.seven.year (from the Area 51 locale) Not having sound for the first few hours of the party made me realize that at times it's about the people and not the music. I was having a great time just hanging out with a great bunch of folks, and not giving a flying hoot as to there being no sound. Staying till the end was a must, more laugh's than I have had in along time. I do love the people I love that is for sure. jahsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69257-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 02:25:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77358 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 02:25:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77348 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 02:25:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722022551.28593.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: E S M O , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <00a401c11238$ae0de7e0$1e02fea9@djesmo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? No offence dude, but I hope you're wrong. I really do. And no, I didn't just buy tix to any old event I "dont know anything about..". You don't have to be more than a casual reader of this list to be wary of massives and the production companies that put them on... The archives of SFRaves would reveal a plethora of bad massives and promoters who fuck up their events and screw people over... megabuzz, survival, coolworld/cyberfest, loveaffair, clockworkz/metropolis... EVERY one and more has generated plenty of SFRaves controversy. But I thought that Area 51 would be different. Mabye that was stupid of me. Granted, I've never been to a Harmony party myself... but the vibe I get from the list about Harmony was that they are a good and reputable crew. Greg Sandler has, in the past, come off as being a really good, honest, guy. So, just like I took the good feeling I usually got from Skillz as a sign that Popsikle3 would, unlike most massives, be a good time, (and I was NOT dissapointed by Popsikle) I took the generally good vibes I got from Harmony and Greg on the list as a sign that Area 51 would be worth another shot at a massive. Or, perhaps I just projected Greg's skills on the decks and charisma as a DJ (and he IS an awesome DJ) onto his honesty as a businessman. I dunno. I REALLY want to believe that you are wrong, and that Greg DID just get fucked by the venue owner. I really do. But it's kinda hard. While it's easy to believe an UG venue owner flaking at the last minute... I really DO find it hard to believe that a major venue would renege on a contract for such a huge event... Contract law is serious business guys... in the "real world", crippling lawsuits tend to ensue when you break a signed contract. Most troubling tho, is the absolute silence, other than a "We didn't intend for this to happen, our venue flaked, it's not out fault" blurb burried in the middle of a long-ass BSP. The last few parties that went bad on me (Plastic Fantastic, Rendevous, and The Last Small World), the promoters were very forthcoming in EXACTLY went wrong, the sequence of events that led to the bust/cancellation, and what they were going to do to make it up to ticket holders. Istyly even offered a me a free ticket, which I totally do NOT deserve, to Hotel Trance. Hell... I think I'll buy a Hotel Trance presale even if I wind up not being able to go... Istyly handled the Rendevous situation with so much class.... (MUCH more than I showed when I ranted on the list) In any event, in the three cases I just mentioned, we were all told EXACTLY what went wrong. There was no secrecy, shadiness or coverups. Full disclosure goes a LONG way toward rebuilding damaged trust, folks. peace, john --- E S M O wrote: > What did area 51 promise in the first place...??? > if u are going to parties you have to be able to read between the lines... > they never announced a venue > partially because they never had one... > If u bought tickets and are upset > maybe this will cause u to think about buying tickets to events u dont know > anything about.. > little undergrounds are different from massives.. > and i believe that all massive events should post their > venue early on during their promotion > so that people who are traveling a long way dont get screwed... > Ya Know...? > L8 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John B." > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > > > > > > Grrr... > > > > So my first SFRaves digest of the day comes in AFTER I rant to the list... > > sorry guys. I just now read Greg Sandler claiming he got screwed at the > last > > minute that having two parties was not his intention. > > > > But although I was perhaps too caustic, I think my points still stand. > Area51 > > is NOT delivering what it promised people who the bought tickets in good > faith. > > I think the shuttles between the two parties idea is the LEAST that the > crews > > should do. If they're NOT going to shuttle people, than they should > refund > > half the ticket price, since they are only delivering HALF of the party > that > > people have paid for. > > > > I have to wonder tho...WTF is going on playing the venue game fast and > loose > > with a bigass (advertised all over radio no less...) massive??? This > isn't > > some 500 person underground with $5 tickets... How the hell do you plan a > > massive with a capacity in the thousands, $40 tickets, and all kinds of > PUBLIC > > promotion, without having your contract with the venue signed *WELL* in > > advance???? > > > > That's something that has baffled me since day one... > > > > > > cya > > john > > > > > > > > > >From: "John B." > > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > >WTF is up with area 51??? > > > > > >Will SOMEBODY tell me WHERE on ANY flyer for this thing it says ANYTHING > > >about > > >this being two SEPERATE parties?!?!?!? > > > > > >I've seen some shadey things happen especially WRT/ massives, thus far... > > >but > > >THIS takes the F-ing cake... this is beyond shadey. This is downright > > >sleazy. > > > > > >Everyone who's been in SF for more than a year... has THIS ever happened > > >before??? Gawd... I've had parties get busted and cancelled on me > > >before... > > >and heard about plenty more getting busted... but a bait and switch??? > > >That's a > > >new one (for me at least). > > > > > >Or did I miss something in the infoline, and they're running shuttles > > >between > > >the two? If they are.. that's still pretty scummy. If not, I think they > > >owe > > >EVERYONE a refund. We all bought tickets, in good faith, for ONE partie, > > >with > > >ALL the DJs on the flyer... NOT for an either/or with only HALF the > lineup. > > > > > > > > >john > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69258-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 02:28:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79155 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 02:28:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79145 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 02:28:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh To: "John B." cc: E S M O , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010722022551.28593.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? while you both are sitting here argueing about it, the party is going on, stop bi On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, John B. wrote: > > No offence dude, but I hope you're wrong. I really do. > > And no, I didn't just buy tix to any old event I "dont know anything about..". > You don't have to be more than a casual reader of this list to be wary of > massives and the production companies that put them on... The archives of > SFRaves would reveal a plethora of bad massives and promoters who fuck up their > events and screw people over... megabuzz, survival, coolworld/cyberfest, > loveaffair, clockworkz/metropolis... EVERY one and more has generated plenty > of SFRaves controversy. > > But I thought that Area 51 would be different. Mabye that was stupid of me. > Granted, I've never been to a Harmony party myself... but the vibe I get from > the list about Harmony was that they are a good and reputable crew. Greg > Sandler has, in the past, come off as being a really good, honest, guy. > > So, just like I took the good feeling I usually got from Skillz as a sign that > Popsikle3 would, unlike most massives, be a good time, (and I was NOT > dissapointed by Popsikle) I took the generally good vibes I got from Harmony > and Greg on the list as a sign that Area 51 would be worth another shot at a > massive. > > Or, perhaps I just projected Greg's skills on the decks and charisma as a DJ > (and he IS an awesome DJ) onto his honesty as a businessman. I dunno. > > I REALLY want to believe that you are wrong, and that Greg DID just get fucked > by the venue owner. I really do. But it's kinda hard. While it's easy to > believe an UG venue owner flaking at the last minute... I really DO find it > hard to believe that a major venue would renege on a contract for such a huge > event... Contract law is serious business guys... in the "real world", > crippling lawsuits tend to ensue when you break a signed contract. > > Most troubling tho, is the absolute silence, other than a "We didn't intend for > this to happen, our venue flaked, it's not out fault" blurb burried in the > middle of a long-ass BSP. The last few parties that went bad on me (Plastic > Fantastic, Rendevous, and The Last Small World), the promoters were very > forthcoming in EXACTLY went wrong, the sequence of events that led to the > bust/cancellation, and what they were going to do to make it up to ticket > holders. Istyly even offered a me a free ticket, which I totally do NOT > deserve, to Hotel Trance. Hell... I think I'll buy a Hotel Trance presale even > if I wind up not being able to go... Istyly handled the Rendevous situation > with so much class.... (MUCH more than I showed when I ranted on the list) > > In any event, in the three cases I just mentioned, we were all told EXACTLY > what went wrong. There was no secrecy, shadiness or coverups. Full disclosure > goes a LONG way toward rebuilding damaged trust, folks. > > > peace, > john > > > > --- E S M O wrote: > > What did area 51 promise in the first place...??? > > if u are going to parties you have to be able to read between the lines... > > they never announced a venue > > partially because they never had one... > > If u bought tickets and are upset > > maybe this will cause u to think about buying tickets to events u dont know > > anything about.. > > little undergrounds are different from massives.. > > and i believe that all massive events should post their > > venue early on during their promotion > > so that people who are traveling a long way dont get screwed... > > Ya Know...? > > L8 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John B." > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 3:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > > > > > > > > > > Grrr... > > > > > > So my first SFRaves digest of the day comes in AFTER I rant to the list... > > > sorry guys. I just now read Greg Sandler claiming he got screwed at the > > last > > > minute that having two parties was not his intention. > > > > > > But although I was perhaps too caustic, I think my points still stand. > > Area51 > > > is NOT delivering what it promised people who the bought tickets in good > > faith. > > > I think the shuttles between the two parties idea is the LEAST that the > > crews > > > should do. If they're NOT going to shuttle people, than they should > > refund > > > half the ticket price, since they are only delivering HALF of the party > > that > > > people have paid for. > > > > > > I have to wonder tho...WTF is going on playing the venue game fast and > > loose > > > with a bigass (advertised all over radio no less...) massive??? This > > isn't > > > some 500 person underground with $5 tickets... How the hell do you plan a > > > massive with a capacity in the thousands, $40 tickets, and all kinds of > > PUBLIC > > > promotion, without having your contract with the venue signed *WELL* in > > > advance???? > > > > > > That's something that has baffled me since day one... > > > > > > > > > cya > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "John B." > > > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > >WTF is up with area 51??? > > > > > > > >Will SOMEBODY tell me WHERE on ANY flyer for this thing it says ANYTHING > > > >about > > > >this being two SEPERATE parties?!?!?!? > > > > > > > >I've seen some shadey things happen especially WRT/ massives, thus far... > > > >but > > > >THIS takes the F-ing cake... this is beyond shadey. This is downright > > > >sleazy. > > > > > > > >Everyone who's been in SF for more than a year... has THIS ever happened > > > >before??? Gawd... I've had parties get busted and cancelled on me > > > >before... > > > >and heard about plenty more getting busted... but a bait and switch??? > > > >That's a > > > >new one (for me at least). > > > > > > > >Or did I miss something in the infoline, and they're running shuttles > > > >between > > > >the two? If they are.. that's still pretty scummy. If not, I think they > > > >owe > > > >EVERYONE a refund. We all bought tickets, in good faith, for ONE partie, > > > >with > > > >ALL the DJs on the flyer... NOT for an either/or with only HALF the > > lineup. > > > > > > > > > > > >john > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69259-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 02:42:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84725 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 02:42:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84715 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 02:42:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722024209.75899.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:42:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: Jahsh Cc: E S M O , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? Yeah... with the DJs I wanted to see split almost exactly between the two venues... one of which is the maratime... and we all know from survival how the maratime handles refugees from blown massives. Yeah... I was over at skillz, waiting in line... a line which streached around the block and moved about ten feet in half an hour. At that point, someone came up and offered me face value on my tix. A quick call to my friend, and I had the go-ahead to just sell both. Truely... I hope that everybody who goes has a good time. And I REALLY hope that the maratime doesn't get people killed like they did at survival. But that situation is one in which I'd rathar not get caught in. Best of luck to you all. john --- Jahsh wrote: > while you both are sitting here argueing about it, the party is going on, > stop bi > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, John B. wrote: > > > > > No offence dude, but I hope you're wrong. I really do. > > > > And no, I didn't just buy tix to any old event I "dont know anything > about..". > > You don't have to be more than a casual reader of this list to be wary of > > massives and the production companies that put them on... The archives of > > SFRaves would reveal a plethora of bad massives and promoters who fuck up > their > > events and screw people over... megabuzz, survival, coolworld/cyberfest, > > loveaffair, clockworkz/metropolis... EVERY one and more has generated > plenty > > of SFRaves controversy. > > > > But I thought that Area 51 would be different. Mabye that was stupid of > me. > > Granted, I've never been to a Harmony party myself... but the vibe I get > from > > the list about Harmony was that they are a good and reputable crew. Greg > > Sandler has, in the past, come off as being a really good, honest, guy. > > > > So, just like I took the good feeling I usually got from Skillz as a sign > that > > Popsikle3 would, unlike most massives, be a good time, (and I was NOT > > dissapointed by Popsikle) I took the generally good vibes I got from > Harmony > > and Greg on the list as a sign that Area 51 would be worth another shot at > a > > massive. > > > > Or, perhaps I just projected Greg's skills on the decks and charisma as a > DJ > > (and he IS an awesome DJ) onto his honesty as a businessman. I dunno. > > > > I REALLY want to believe that you are wrong, and that Greg DID just get > fucked > > by the venue owner. I really do. But it's kinda hard. While it's easy to > > believe an UG venue owner flaking at the last minute... I really DO find it > > hard to believe that a major venue would renege on a contract for such a > huge > > event... Contract law is serious business guys... in the "real world", > > crippling lawsuits tend to ensue when you break a signed contract. > > > > Most troubling tho, is the absolute silence, other than a "We didn't intend > for > > this to happen, our venue flaked, it's not out fault" blurb burried in the > > middle of a long-ass BSP. The last few parties that went bad on me > (Plastic > > Fantastic, Rendevous, and The Last Small World), the promoters were very > > forthcoming in EXACTLY went wrong, the sequence of events that led to the > > bust/cancellation, and what they were going to do to make it up to ticket > > holders. Istyly even offered a me a free ticket, which I totally do NOT > > deserve, to Hotel Trance. Hell... I think I'll buy a Hotel Trance presale > even > > if I wind up not being able to go... Istyly handled the Rendevous > situation > > with so much class.... (MUCH more than I showed when I ranted on the list) > > > > In any event, in the three cases I just mentioned, we were all told EXACTLY > > what went wrong. There was no secrecy, shadiness or coverups. Full > disclosure > > goes a LONG way toward rebuilding damaged trust, folks. > > > > > > peace, > > john > > > > > > > > --- E S M O wrote: > > > What did area 51 promise in the first place...??? > > > if u are going to parties you have to be able to read between the > lines... > > > they never announced a venue > > > partially because they never had one... > > > If u bought tickets and are upset > > > maybe this will cause u to think about buying tickets to events u dont > know > > > anything about.. > > > little undergrounds are different from massives.. > > > and i believe that all massive events should post their > > > venue early on during their promotion > > > so that people who are traveling a long way dont get screwed... > > > Ya Know...? > > > L8 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John B." > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 3:27 PM > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grrr... > > > > > > > > So my first SFRaves digest of the day comes in AFTER I rant to the > list... > > > > sorry guys. I just now read Greg Sandler claiming he got screwed at > the > > > last > > > > minute that having two parties was not his intention. > > > > > > > > But although I was perhaps too caustic, I think my points still stand. > > > Area51 > > > > is NOT delivering what it promised people who the bought tickets in > good > > > faith. > > > > I think the shuttles between the two parties idea is the LEAST that > the > > > crews > > > > should do. If they're NOT going to shuttle people, than they should > > > refund > > > > half the ticket price, since they are only delivering HALF of the party > > > that > > > > people have paid for. > > > > > > > > I have to wonder tho...WTF is going on playing the venue game fast and > > > loose > > > > with a bigass (advertised all over radio no less...) massive??? This > > > isn't > > > > some 500 person underground with $5 tickets... How the hell do you > plan a > > > > massive with a capacity in the thousands, $40 tickets, and all kinds of > > > PUBLIC > > > > promotion, without having your contract with the venue signed *WELL* in > > > > advance???? > > > > > > > > That's something that has baffled me since day one... > > > > > > > > > > > > cya > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "John B." > > > > >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > > >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >WTF is up with area 51??? > > > > > > > > > >Will SOMEBODY tell me WHERE on ANY flyer for this thing it says > ANYTHING > > > > >about > > > > >this being two SEPERATE parties?!?!?!? > > > > > > > > > >I've seen some shadey things happen especially WRT/ massives, thus > far... > > > > >but > > > > >THIS takes the F-ing cake... this is beyond shadey. This is downright > > > > >sleazy. > > > > > > > > > >Everyone who's been in SF for more than a year... has THIS ever > happened > > > > >before??? Gawd... I've had parties get busted and cancelled on me > > > > >before... > > > > >and heard about plenty more getting busted... but a bait and switch??? > > > > >That's a > > > > >new one (for me at least). > > > > > > > > > >Or did I miss something in the infoline, and they're running shuttles > > > > >between > > > > >the two? If they are.. that's still pretty scummy. If not, I think > they > > > > >owe > > > > >EVERYONE a refund. We all bought tickets, in good faith, for ONE > partie, > > > > >with > > > > >ALL the DJs on the flyer... NOT for an either/or with only HALF the > > > lineup. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >john > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! > Messenger > > > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69260-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 02:49:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89336 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 02:49:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89325 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 02:49:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Gunst Stat To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] alternatives to Area 51??? Please, if anyone knows of any other events, please post them to the list. Greatest thanks, mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69261-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 02:58:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92202 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 02:58:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92192 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 02:58:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Gunst Stat To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] "Illicit Dreams" party tonight? Got this info from the Hyperreal site: Illicit Dreams - TBA. 100% fully secured location, All NIGHT event, lots of free giveways, 5,000+ capacity venue, line up TBA! Does ANYONE know of an INFOLINE, or any other location information for this party? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69262-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 03:01:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96093 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 03:01:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96083 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 03:01:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.210.58] From: "Joey Trance" To: "'vix'" , "'SF Raves'" Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:06:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c1125b$4a536db0$0200005a@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 03:01:26.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[98CF8CE0:01C1125A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] A DJ for you to IDOLIZE!! LOL WHAT A JOKE!!!! =) nah its cool. But you cant top the icyhot stunnaz.... http://www.geocities.com/iceyhotstunaz/ ps.. that Pro Master Mix 5000X of his looks more like a numark/gemini with black electrical tape over the brand name... >=/ joey trance -----Original Message----- From: vix [mailto:netserf@kapu.net] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 5:21 PM To: SF Raves Subject: Re: [sfraves] A DJ for you to IDOLIZE!! Heck, I want to have his love child =) > > Check this guy out, you know you want to be like him! =) > > http://www.supergreg.com/ > > - Buzz > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69263-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 03:06:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98094 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 03:06:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98084 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 03:06:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722030649.20859.qmail@web9502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Princess Arielle To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Club Matrix West 7/21 afterparty! PArty-After-PArty!!! Club Matrix West/2 Flrs 9pm-6am -600 Capacity- 18+up $10 b-4 10:30 1803 Webster St., Oakland (510)596-8909 Techno/TechHouse/NRG/Trance House Dj's for tonight include... Ariel Cybana (tribal progressive) Stevie B (hard funky house) Elz (hard funky house, breaks) Linear Motion (funky house and trance) and more! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69264-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 03:07:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98946 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 03:07:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98926 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 03:07:01 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:06:50 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010722030651.TQLJ14903.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Personal Responsibility (was Area 51: WFT) i don't know what happened with area 51, so i cannot address that -- but i do think that this remark is out of line: >Truely... I hope that everybody who goes has a good time. And I REALLY hope >that the maratime doesn't get people killed like they did at survival. But >that situation is one in which I'd rathar not get caught in. what are you talking about? there was an incident at survival where a young woman apparently took something and left her friends and was later found in trouble and she died ... but no one was "killed" at survival. semantics, perhaps, but important ones to be aware of. this was a sad sad situation, and as a mother of a daughter one year older than the girl who died that night, i have nothing but heartbreak for what happened. but it was not because the venue did anything wrong, nor the promoters. a situation like that can happen anywhere -- and it could be avoidable with better personal choice, as well as us looking out for each other. overdoses happen everywhere, at homes and in dorms and in bars and in clubs and at parties and in private bedrooms and public bathrooms. and every single one is a loss for us all, because we are all connected. but blaming these problems on the venues and the promoters is exactly what our government is trying to do to suffocate the dance scene... rather than acknowledging that the issue is that we need more education and more flexibility with venues. and unless we learn to speak up and defend our own subculture, we are playing right into their hand. the problem that we have with substances is something we need to address and to change -- we need to rally together and teach the young people coming into our scene about responsible choices, that it's not about the drugs, and that there is so much they can learn through the music and the sense of community. when there are problems, as has been posted on this list in the last few days regarding maritime and bill graham, then the spaces will be taken away. and new spaces will not be made available, because of a perception that dance events are dangerous drugfests. and they are not. let's teach each other to take care of ourselves -- but let's not fall into a trap of putting blame on venues and promoters for the things that the patrons of their events choose to do. and never forget -- there is no "us" and "them" between all patrons and groovers, clubbers and ravers, promoters large and small, venue owners, and the dance underground -- to the rest of the world, we are all connected, we are all the same. the effects of the actions of one small subgroup reflects on the perception of the entire dance underground. my actions reflect on you, and your actions reflect on me. until we understand that, we can't make progress. leslie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69265-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 03:07:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 668 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 03:07:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 658 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 03:07:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: giuki X-X-Sender: To: Augie Dogg Cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Finally, Method/Uberzone are back! yeah, i can't wait till "tweekend" comes out! hopefully it'll be as good, or even better, than "vegas" (which is still one of my all-time favorite cd's). i think crystal method was the first ever "electronica" i had ever heard.. who would've thought how much it'd influence my life! i keep hearing that crystal method puts on a great show live, but they barely ever perform since they've gotten big and famous :( thankfully, i'm gonna go see them and uberzone in santa cruz next week. i hear palookaville is a 400-person venue; should make for one hell of a show! =) gary p.s. if anyone from the bay area wants to carpool to the show, let me know. i'm coming from the east bay and should have at least a couple spots in my car. On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Augie Dogg wrote: >Okay, am I the only one who is glad that both the Crystal Method and >Uberzone are FINALLY releasing their long-awaited albums?! Its been like >years since they gave us new (break)beats(not including Uberzone's >collaboration with Afrika Bambaata).. > >The Method's "Tweekend" is out July 31st and Q's new one is out in the >middle of August. These two are the best live electronic groups I've ever >seen at a party! > >Augie > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69266-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 03:17:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4342 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 03:17:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4332 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 03:17:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722031725.88251.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: MaJikMiSsTreSs To: Joey Trance , 'vix' , 'SF Raves' In-Reply-To: <000001c1125b$4a536db0$0200005a@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] A DJ for you to IDOLIZE!! LOL WHAT A JOKE!!!! ohmigod....is that even for real? what a bunch a dumb ass white boys...on my way 2 oakland(main room area 51)hope i see sum of u kewl peps there...majik __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Joeytrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69270-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 05:42:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54487 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 05:42:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54477 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 05:42:36 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:42:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: , "SF Raves" Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.42] Message-Id: <20010722054222.4ED1236EE@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] SRR: Finish this song ...but I just can't justify your Love It's Hurts 2 C U walk away & I'd like to ask U back 2 Stay To HOld U in my arms jus' 1 more time Another Day has pass me by A shattered dream, a distant cry and a feeling that I lost my world 2 U A thousand years here I can stand YOur presious stone held in my hand but I just can't justify your Love --- "Buzz" > wrote: >You have a heart of gold >A precious jewel to which I was sold >{ enter line here and keep going } > > >Just getting some liveliness, its almost 8, wake up! =) > >- Buzz > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69271-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 06:00:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60410 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 06:00:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60396 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 06:00:37 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: "veronica la rosa" , djdan@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.42] Message-Id: <20010722060032.B2E9F36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Gettin away from parents, to a rave? "...but he relaxed when I came home safe every night." Don't U mean the next morning V? LoL...jk == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69272-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 06:03:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62109 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 06:03:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62094 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 06:03:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.46] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: djhuey@crackdealer.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:02:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 06:02:51.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0FDFA00:01C11273] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fiesta Fiesta!! was....Re: [sfraves] ATTN House Heads Hello all sfr land! It's me again. Just a quick reminder, all of you that are brave enough to make it out to area 51, have fun! Just to let you all on a smaller, but just as fun party next friday "fiesta" The line up is quite local, but we all know how these dj's can bang the dancefloor. We have seen them do it plenty of times before! 20 bucks for a virgin location? WOW! If this party is just as fun as the weekly club, "night life production" has got going on. This party is defenitely worth checking out! Never once has NLP let me down in any way. I hope to see some of you out there rocking on the dance floor! Peace, Aaron >From: "dj huey" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] ATTN House Heads >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:22:22 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.184] >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD21435400BB4004325ED185531605960; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:22:28 -0700 >Received: (qmail 31283 invoked by uid 1104); 20 Jul 2001 09:22:30 -0000 >Received: (qmail 31268 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 09:22:30 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-69092-aaronhdixon Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:24:03 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-Id: <200107200922.CAA11981@mail10.bigmailbox.com> >X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >We are only one week away from Fiesta July 27th 2001. We are really excited >about this event. We have a virgin SF all ages permitted location. Line >up: >Ty Tel (casa del sol, denver) Ty has to be one of my all time fav dj's. If >you havn't had the chance to hear , don't miss out!!! >Joey Mazzola (solmatic records) Enouph said.............. >Ron Reeser (clockwork eventz) his hard funky beats keep every groovin >DJ Torque (nlp) this white boy gots that dirty stomp >Allen Craig (nlp)his mixing is off the hook and of course only on 3 decks >Dj Huey(nlp) you know how we do it :) >Rudy G(bad puppy) this up and coming dj knows how to rock da house >Sound by JK, lighting by raven and Brian B from chicago for decor. All our >dj's will be rocken it on 3 decks :) so come out and support the SF house >comunity. $20.00 Tickets available at skills, housewares and solid >grooves. hone in>>>>>>>>415-721-4610 > >------------------------------------------------------------ >[- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69273-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 06:07:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63919 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 06:07:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63909 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 06:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <004301c11275$e51644c0$8b00510c@sjsu.edu> From: "n i c o" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:16:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( So I show up at Skills a little late (since when is 8:30pm late for a rave?) to find out I can't listen to techno because all the trance fiends are crowding Maritime. Ok, no prob. Been wanting to see Andre Morant for a while (hello, Jack Mackrel is the poop). And since my friends don't stop talking about Dave Angel, I figure I would be in for a good night, even without tech. OPD shuts it down right as I get in line. HURTFUL! Oh well ... *shrug* Been thinking about moving somewhere for a better music scene. Now might be a good time to really consider it. love and techno n i c o --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69274-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 07:02:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79227 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 07:02:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79217 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 07:02:28 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:02:11 -0700 From: vix To: n i c o , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004301c11275$e51644c0$8b00510c@sjsu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( Wait... OPD? which party got shut down? > From: "n i c o" > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:16:48 -0700 > To: > Subject: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > So I show up at Skills a little late (since when is 8:30pm late for a rave?) > to find out I can't listen to techno because all the trance fiends are > crowding Maritime. > > Ok, no prob. Been wanting to see Andre Morant for a while (hello, Jack > Mackrel is the poop). And since my friends don't stop talking about Dave > Angel, I figure I would be in for a good night, even without tech. > > OPD shuts it down right as I get in line. HURTFUL! > > Oh well ... *shrug* Been thinking about moving somewhere for a better music > scene. Now might be a good time to really consider it. > > love and techno > > n i c o > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69275-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 07:10:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81893 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 07:10:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81883 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 07:10:09 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.42] Message-Id: <20010722070832.1CCC936F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Thursday night OK, so went to a lil' din din shindig @ Becca's 2 start the evening & Chilled w/ my Bruthas & Sistas! It was Fun! Before I got 2 Becca's, I was waiting @ BART for her, ya know. So yeah, I met this CooL Lil' Chica, Darlene. We totally chatted it up! Then a few of us headed over 2 check out Psychotica & I swear man, I had so much fun! I mean, 1st off, I haven't hung out w/ the Ratkoonrat crew in a while & they weren't all even there which was kinda sad. BUt it was fun kickin' it w/ them! It was Dope seein' Mega!! LoL...but Kristle wasn't with him which kinda struck me as odd 'cause those 2 always showed up @ Blakes 2gether. So went down 2 the Basement & Wow, decorations were pretty CooL! Prism One was spinning & oh man, Homeboy was Sick! He spun this prgressive Trance that toally blew me away man! It was Funny 'cause I could sworn Prism started spinning Happy Hardcore. But when I asked him later, he told me he sped up his Trance records. LOL OK, then on the decks was the VS thing w/ Mega & DJ DOS! Bad Ass Man! Oh mY gosh, there Jungle set was Sick! I mean, I totally remember 3-4 years ago when DOS 1st started spinning. Now I see him & I'm like, "WOW!" Homeboy knows his skills! I am impressed! I cuold go in2 how Mega did, but we all know How Dope he is! But he didn't have that that one song I wanted 2 hear 'cause he said he left it @ home...what's it called again... Anywaze, the Vibe was totally alive there! I mean, the was a weird vibe kinda, but not really! I mean, there were a few like totally unplurrie kids there that got on my nerves. But I met alota Cool People as well & saw alota old Friends I haven't seen in years, so that was CooL & made up 4 it! It's all About Jeno this coming Thursday @ Blakes! Wow, Haven't seen him since I worked @ Hotel Ibiza during one of the Organic Shindigs. It sounds Fun! I Really Hope 2 c y'all there! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69276-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 08:41:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11834 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 08:41:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11824 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 08:41:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.105.43] From: "veronica la rosa" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:40:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 08:40:37.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB4FB910:01C11289] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] cloudfactory.seven.year (from the Area 51 locale) Wow. I had a great time at CF (just like everyone else did). And I didn't mind the lack of music for awhile at all! I had a good time just sitting with my friends and playing in the sand. It gave us a lot of time to sing and be silly. I am so proud that Becca knew *all* the words to the Gummy Bears theme song. That's impressive! It was good seeing some people that I haven't seen in awhile. But I wish I could have recognized more people through out the night. It was so dark! I couldn't really see anyone with shining a light in their face (sorry about that!). There were some people that I wanted to talk but never really saw at the right times. Oh well. If I missed you, I'm sorry. I'm not much of a socializer. I wish I could have stayed till the very end but my friends decided to leave at 7 am. Which is perfectly ok with me! I'm not complaining. Thank you Tina and Patrice for driving me :) I had a great time and I'm looking forward to my next CF party. thanks :) -Veronica- PS: I am not going to see N Sync at all :( $75 for one ticket?!?! Hellllllll nah! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69277-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 08:51:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14331 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 08:51:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14320 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 08:51:52 -0000 From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: "vix" , "n i c o" , Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 01:55:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( area 51 i assume. -----Original Message----- From: vix [mailto:netserf@kapu.net] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:02 AM To: n i c o; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( Wait... OPD? which party got shut down? > From: "n i c o" > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:16:48 -0700 > To: > Subject: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > So I show up at Skills a little late (since when is 8:30pm late for a rave?) > to find out I can't listen to techno because all the trance fiends are > crowding Maritime. > > Ok, no prob. Been wanting to see Andre Morant for a while (hello, Jack > Mackrel is the poop). And since my friends don't stop talking about Dave > Angel, I figure I would be in for a good night, even without tech. > > OPD shuts it down right as I get in line. HURTFUL! > > Oh well ... *shrug* Been thinking about moving somewhere for a better music > scene. Now might be a good time to really consider it. > > love and techno > > n i c o > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69278-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 08:58:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16682 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 08:58:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16651 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 08:58:41 -0000 From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11252.584C53E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area:::One ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11252.584C53E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anyone besides me going to this wonderful electronic music concert/festival???? (no, its not a rave!) once again:::: The Roots New Order Outkast Moby The Innovators [Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson] Rinocerose Timo Maas Shoreline Amphitheatre @ 3pm - 07_31_01 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11252.584C53E0-- From sfraves-return-69279-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 09:06:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19323 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 09:06:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19313 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 09:06:15 -0000 From: "Ranger" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:03:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] cloudfactory.seven.year Tonight under the stars of the cosmos reigned supreme.. I love the pacific at 1am.. peace SC.. R. -----Original Message----- From: Jahsh [mailto:josh@cloudfactory.org] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 7:25 PM Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] cloudfactory.seven.year (from the Area 51 locale) Not having sound for the first few hours of the party made me realize that at times it's about the people and not the music. I was having a great time just hanging out with a great bunch of folks, and not giving a flying hoot as to there being no sound. Staying till the end was a must, more laugh's than I have had in along time. I do love the people I love that is for sure. jahsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69280-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 09:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50505 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 09:40:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50495 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 09:40:53 -0000 From: ChefMarsOnTV@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:40:42 EDT To: trancsonic@yahoo.com, svnlyrbrto@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d1.9b3927a.288bf99a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 infoline... WTF?!?!? --part1_d1.9b3927a.288bf99a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i guess that means one thing.......See yall @ Cyberfest!!! --part1_d1.9b3927a.288bf99a_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69281-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 09:58:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54323 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 09:58:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54313 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 09:58:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722095819.28772.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:58:19 -0700 (PDT) From: sfxtc To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 25 & 26 hey just got home from area 25 in oakland. Too bad the cops busted it up :( It was cool to see the much bigger upstairs used at newberry, I've tried to get that part of the venue before years ago and never could. hopefully someone will be able to use it again =) Didn't make it to area 26 at maritime but I heard it was waaaay too packed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69282-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 10:10:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57851 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 10:10:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57841 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 10:10:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722101043.63265.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 03:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Team Tigger To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Raver Day at Waterworld...Today, Sunday!!!! For those who didnt talk to me tonight at Area 51, we have made tomorrow, Sunday the offical Raver Day at Waterworld...we will all be meeting at noon at the front gate...there going to be alot of people there, so tell everyone you can to be there...lets make it extra special...if you need info, page me at 7073231494.... Luv, Tigger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69283-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 10:11:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58990 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 10:11:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58969 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 10:11:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.155] From: "innocentchild" To: "vix" , "n i c o" , References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:43:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 10:10:29.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[8924F6E0:01C11296] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( Area 51 was shutdown at 12am. Meat Beat Manifesto played the last hour of the night once sound was allowed to be turned back on. It's been a long day with setup at 11:00am and finishing with teardown finally at 2am. MBM were awesome and the visuals that Ben from MBM had synch'd to the music were *awesome!* Great people too. Raves of this nature just seem plagued by constant pitfalls. I had a great time hanging out with friends tonight and chilling in the visuals bunker. All in all it was a fun night, albeit very, very strange and quite the rollercoaster ride. Yeah - Oakland PD came and caused the timing of the event to be shortened and as to reasons why - I don't know. Hope those that made it out enjoyed it while it lasted. For once it's nice to be home after long day of setup and such. Off to Atlanta now. See ya... ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "vix" To: "n i c o" ; Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > Wait... OPD? which party got shut down? > > > From: "n i c o" > > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:16:48 -0700 > > To: > > Subject: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > So I show up at Skills a little late (since when is 8:30pm late for a rave?) > > to find out I can't listen to techno because all the trance fiends are > > crowding Maritime. > > > > Ok, no prob. Been wanting to see Andre Morant for a while (hello, Jack > > Mackrel is the poop). And since my friends don't stop talking about Dave > > Angel, I figure I would be in for a good night, even without tech. > > > > OPD shuts it down right as I get in line. HURTFUL! > > > > Oh well ... *shrug* Been thinking about moving somewhere for a better music > > scene. Now might be a good time to really consider it. > > > > love and techno > > > > n i c o > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69284-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 10:43:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65353 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 10:43:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65343 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 10:43:45 -0000 Message-ID: <009001c1129c$883298e0$8f06510c@sjsu.edu> From: "n i c o" To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 03:53:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( This is what I got confused about. They weren't letting anyone in obviously, did they boot people out of the party at that moment? n i c o > Area 51 was shutdown at 12am. Meat Beat Manifesto played the last hour of > the night once sound was allowed to be turned back on. It's been a long day > with setup at 11:00am and finishing with teardown finally at 2am. MBM were > awesome and the visuals that Ben from MBM had synch'd to the music were > *awesome!* Great people too. Raves of this nature just seem plagued by > constant pitfalls. I had a great time hanging out with friends tonight and > chilling in the visuals bunker. All in all it was a fun night, albeit very, > very strange and quite the rollercoaster ride. Yeah - Oakland PD came and > caused the timing of the event to be shortened and as to reasons why - I > don't know. Hope those that made it out enjoyed it while it lasted. For once > it's nice to be home after long day of setup and such. Off to Atlanta now. > See ya... > > ryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vix" > To: "n i c o" ; > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:02 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > Wait... OPD? which party got shut down? > > > > > From: "n i c o" > > > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:16:48 -0700 > > > To: > > > Subject: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > > > > So I show up at Skills a little late (since when is 8:30pm late for a > rave?) > > > to find out I can't listen to techno because all the trance fiends are > > > crowding Maritime. > > > > > > Ok, no prob. Been wanting to see Andre Morant for a while (hello, Jack > > > Mackrel is the poop). And since my friends don't stop talking about > Dave > > > Angel, I figure I would be in for a good night, even without tech. > > > > > > OPD shuts it down right as I get in line. HURTFUL! > > > > > > Oh well ... *shrug* Been thinking about moving somewhere for a better > music > > > scene. Now might be a good time to really consider it. > > > > > > love and techno > > > > > > n i c o > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69285-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 18:17:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90634 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 18:17:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90624 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:17:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.20.31.194] From: "Dave Sweeten" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, staff@technorepublic.net Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:16:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 18:16:53.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C03D140:01C112DA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area:::One I'm going. I saw this tour advertized in Boston when I was there a few weeks ago. dopeazz lineup! SWEE10 >From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" >To: >Subject: [sfraves] Area:::One >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:02:22 -0700 > >anyone besides me going to this wonderful electronic music >concert/festival???? (no, its not a rave!) > >once again:::: > >The Roots >New Order >Outkast >Moby >The Innovators [Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson] >Rinocerose >Timo Maas > >Shoreline Amphitheatre @ 3pm - 07_31_01 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69286-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 18:39:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99947 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 18:39:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99923 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:39:00 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5B1E3E.F06CBC44@home.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:41:02 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leslie ayres , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010722030651.TQLJ14903.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Personal Responsibility (was Area 51: WFT) This is slightly off topic, but anyway: One time I met a guy who told me it was his second party and he was rolling. I talked for him a little bit and told him I was sober and having a good time. He told me he wanted to go to the next party sober because he could see that I was having just as much fun that way, and I took it as some etarded promise which may or may not be kept. But a week or 2 later I saw him again and he came up to me and said that he was sober and having a great time, and thanks for talking to him. And now everytime I see him, he's still sober and having a great time. So what's the point of my little story? People involved in the scene already have a lot of influence on the newbies and the choices the make, or what they think is cool. I think we should all make a little more effort to talk to the fucked up new kids and show them that there are other options. And you know what? I have a feeling they'd listen. Lydia leslie ayres wrote: > i don't know what happened with area 51, so i cannot address that -- but i > do think that this remark is out of line: > > >Truely... I hope that everybody who goes has a good time. And I REALLY hope > >that the maratime doesn't get people killed like they did at survival. But > >that situation is one in which I'd rathar not get caught in. > > what are you talking about? there was an incident at survival where a young > woman apparently took something and left her friends and was later found in > trouble and she died ... but no one was "killed" at survival. > > semantics, perhaps, but important ones to be aware of. > > this was a sad sad situation, and as a mother of a daughter one year older > than the girl who died that night, i have nothing but heartbreak for what > happened. > > but it was not because the venue did anything wrong, nor the promoters. a > situation like that can happen anywhere -- and it could be avoidable with > better personal choice, as well as us looking out for each other. overdoses > happen everywhere, at homes and in dorms and in bars and in clubs and at > parties and in private bedrooms and public bathrooms. and every single one > is a loss for us all, because we are all connected. > > but blaming these problems on the venues and the promoters is exactly what > our government is trying to do to suffocate the dance scene... rather than > acknowledging that the issue is that we need more education and more > flexibility with venues. and unless we learn to speak up and defend our own > subculture, we are playing right into their hand. > > the problem that we have with substances is something we need to address and > to change -- we need to rally together and teach the young people coming > into our scene about responsible choices, that it's not about the drugs, and > that there is so much they can learn through the music and the sense of > community. when there are problems, as has been posted on this list in the > last few days regarding maritime and bill graham, then the spaces will be > taken away. and new spaces will not be made available, because of a > perception that dance events are dangerous drugfests. and they are not. > > let's teach each other to take care of ourselves -- but let's not fall into > a trap of putting blame on venues and promoters for the things that the > patrons of their events choose to do. > > and never forget -- there is no "us" and "them" between all patrons and > groovers, clubbers and ravers, promoters large and small, venue owners, and > the dance underground -- to the rest of the world, we are all connected, we > are all the same. the effects of the actions of one small subgroup reflects > on the perception of the entire dance underground. my actions reflect on > you, and your actions reflect on me. > > until we understand that, we can't make progress. > > leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69287-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 18:49:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6962 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 18:49:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6927 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:49:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Eddie To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Nsync 2step For those of y'all who heard Nsync had 2 step track on their album, it's true. Here be the mp3. http://www.nsync-land.com/celebrity_upagainstthewall.mp3 Njoy! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69288-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 19:00:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10979 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10969 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c112e0$b774bd60$63f05140@jinx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:01:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C112A6.0AD5CF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C112A6.0AD5CF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *walks up and taps on the mic hello is this thing on* Okay so anyways, = last night sucked hard kore..I want to personally thank harmony and Greg = sandler for making last night one of my worst experiences since I = started partying. Harmony did not understand that everyone paid 42 bucks = and deserved a 42 dollar party. The JJ new berry venue was not = acceptable and you know it Greg. I think harmony should issue refunds to = everyone that was send to JJ new berry. You guys helped ruin my friends = B-day party. Now about my conspiracy theory... I thought that party was = going to be a massive but from what I say there were maybe at tops 2,500 = people at both venues. Maybe harmony realized they weren't going to pull = the crowd they had hoped and backed out of a much bigger much more = expensive venue...I dunno just an Idea. But regardless my 42 bucks would = have been totally wasted if we hadn't been able to talk those underage = candy kids out of their bracelets. Oh and maraslime hall sucked pretty = bad too...way to many e-tards and not enough space..What the fuck is it = with etards any ways, it's like I'm standing some where and they cant = find their way around you so they try and walk through you..Well I hope = everyone else had a good time cuz I sure didn't. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C112A6.0AD5CF20-- From sfraves-return-69289-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 19:22:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21016 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 19:22:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20972 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 19:22:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.22] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: ecko37@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:22:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 19:22:06.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[98151840:01C112E3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Chill Everyone...was Re: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? Nick, Nick, Nick....When are you going to learn how to keep your mouth shut? You blab on and on about the whole UVT ordeal, and now your going to knock harmony and inner eye for a flop in their party. Do you even know the facts? Do you know what really went down? Do you even know anything? Did you even know that it wasn't all greg sandlers fault? You say, and i quote "Harmony did not understand that everyone paid 42 bucks and deserved a 42 dollar party" Are you kidding me?! Did you take a look at the fliers going in and around the bay area? Dave angel, Angel Alanis, Meat Beat Manifesto, Dj SS those guys are not worth 42 dollars? Yeah, so the party was a flop, but why dont you just sit back and relax and wait for everything to die down and come back to normal so we can all hear what really went down lastnite. Instead of making personal attacks on harmony or greg sandler. I am sure harmony will do something to reinburse you in some way shape or form. They always do! As far as your little theory, you are way in over your head. Assuming never gets you anywhere, Nick. It actually makes you look a bit more childish then what you really are. Trust me, Leslie can vouch on this one. I have seen plenty of people on this list make assumptions, to turn around and stick their thumbs in their mouths beacuse of the wrong assumption. Before anyone starts flying off the handle about greg sandler, harmony, or inner eye, lets wait for them to post something about what really went down lastnite. ok, thats my rant for now. Hope all of you that tried and got into area 51, had a great time! These guys really do put on great shows! Peace, Aaron >From: "Eckö" >To: "sf" >CC: "f8" >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:01:29 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD246DAD0090400431DED18553160D640; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:59:57 -0700 >Received: (qmail 10979 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0000 >Received: (qmail 10969 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-69288-aaronhdixon Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:00:26 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: <001b01c112e0$b774bd60$63f05140@jinx> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >*walks up and taps on the mic hello is this thing on* Okay so anyways, last >night sucked hard kore..I want to personally thank harmony and Greg sandler >for making last night one of my worst experiences since I started partying. >Harmony did not understand that everyone paid 42 bucks and deserved a 42 >dollar party. The JJ new berry venue was not acceptable and you know it >Greg. I think harmony should issue refunds to everyone that was send to JJ >new berry. You guys helped ruin my friends B-day party. Now about my >conspiracy theory... I thought that party was going to be a massive but >from what I say there were maybe at tops 2,500 people at both venues. Maybe >harmony realized they weren't going to pull the crowd they had hoped and >backed out of a much bigger much more expensive venue...I dunno just an >Idea. But regardless my 42 bucks would have been totally wasted if we >hadn't been able to talk those underage candy kids out of their bracelets. >Oh and maraslime hall sucked pretty bad too...way to many e-tards and not >enough space..What the fuck is it with etards any ways, it's like I'm >standing some where and they cant find their way around you so they try and >walk through you..Well I hope everyone else had a good time cuz I sure >didn't. > >Nick >http://www.core-nrg.net >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69290-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 19:26:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24085 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 19:26:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24075 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 19:26:47 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.22] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: davesweeten@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, staff@technorepublic.net Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:26:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 19:26:10.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[29854D90:01C112E4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area:::One Outkast and the roots, alongside one of my all time favorite live piece house orchestra "rhinocerose." I am glad that this show is during the day and at a clean venue. Watch out for the derrick may, kevin saunderson and juan atkins sets! Those guys can truely rip it up! Does anyone remember the party at home base where these guys ripped it up. I can't recall, it was too long ago, but i do remember derrick may and kevin saunderson throwin down some wicked detroit techno! Watch out bay area, here comes a show not to miss! See some of you there! Peace, Aaron >From: "Dave Sweeten" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, staff@technorepublic.net >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area:::One >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:16:53 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [24.20.31.194] >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD2463C8006440042A0CD18553160A200; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:17:45 -0700 >Received: (qmail 90634 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 18:17:28 -0000 >Received: (qmail 90624 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:17:28 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-69285-aaronhdixon Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:17:53 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 18:16:53.0588 (UTC) >FILETIME=[7C03D140:01C112DA] >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >I'm going. I saw this tour advertized in Boston when I was there a few >weeks >ago. >dopeazz lineup! > >SWEE10 > > >>From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" >>To: >>Subject: [sfraves] Area:::One >>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:02:22 -0700 >> >>anyone besides me going to this wonderful electronic music >>concert/festival???? (no, its not a rave!) >> >>once again:::: >> >>The Roots >>New Order >>Outkast >>Moby >>The Innovators [Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson] >>Rinocerose >>Timo Maas >> >>Shoreline Amphitheatre @ 3pm - 07_31_01 >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69291-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 19:27:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25340 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 19:27:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25330 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 19:27:07 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:26:54 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c112e0$b774bd60$63f05140@jinx> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Decline and fall Ironically enough, on Friday I flew home a day early from a trip to NYC because 1.) Twilo's been shut down, and 2.) I had planned on going to Area 51 on Saturday. Sucks on a number of levels. The scene is up against the full force of local, state and federal opposition across the entire country. Could we wait to hear from Greg before the mud-slinging begins? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69292-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 19:29:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27634 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 19:29:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27624 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 19:29:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: sfxtc cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010722095819.28772.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 25 & 26 >hey just got home from area 25 in oakland. Too bad the cops busted it up >:( It was cool to see the much bigger upstairs used at newberry, I've >tried to get that part of the venue before years ago and never could. >hopefully someone will be able to use it again =) Didn't make it to area >26 at maritime but I heard it was waaaay too packed. The upstairs at Newberry? Is that the big ballroom where DHS & Autechre played in May, or is there some other portion of that building? I like that room. Wonder if they still had the rib shattering soundsystem i heard last time. :) -mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69293-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 19:30:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29007 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 19:30:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 28995 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 19:30:23 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c112e4$f3663610$63f05140@jinx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Aaron Dixon" , Cc: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:31:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: Chill Everyone...was Re: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? Okay first of all Aaron I said it was a theory so kiss my a$$. Second of all I don't give a flying fuck about any of those dj's. I paid to see franky bones and if we had not of been able to get those kids bracelets they I would not have go to see him and I would have expected a refund. Harmony owes everyone that was at the Oakland venue a fuckin refund. There is no way around it. And what the hell are you saying about UVT? You talking about ALL One that got broken up, you mean the one we gave refunds to and had to make up parties for? Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Dixon" To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: Chill Everyone...was Re: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? > Nick, Nick, Nick....When are you going to learn how to keep your mouth shut? > You blab on and on about the whole UVT ordeal, and now your going to knock > harmony and inner eye for a flop in their party. Do you even know the > facts? Do you know what really went down? Do you even know anything? Did > you even know that it wasn't all greg sandlers fault? You say, and i quote > "Harmony did not understand that everyone paid 42 bucks and deserved a 42 > dollar party" Are you kidding me?! Did you take a look at the fliers going > in and around the bay area? Dave angel, Angel Alanis, Meat Beat Manifesto, > Dj SS those guys are not worth 42 dollars? Yeah, so the party was a flop, > but why dont you just sit back and relax and wait for everything to die down > and come back to normal so we can all hear what really went down lastnite. > Instead of making personal attacks on harmony or greg sandler. I am sure > harmony will do something to reinburse you in some way shape or form. They > always do! > > As far as your little theory, you are way in over your head. Assuming never > gets you anywhere, Nick. It actually makes you look a bit more childish then > what you really are. Trust me, Leslie can vouch on this one. I have seen > plenty of people on this list make assumptions, to turn around and stick > their thumbs in their mouths beacuse of the wrong assumption. Before anyone > starts flying off the handle about greg sandler, harmony, or inner eye, lets > wait for them to post something about what really went down lastnite. ok, > thats my rant for now. Hope all of you that tried and got into area 51, had > a great time! These guys really do put on great shows! > > Peace, > Aaron > > > >From: "Eckö" > >To: "sf" > >CC: "f8" > >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? > >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:01:29 -0700 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBD246DAD0090400431DED18553160D640; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:59:57 -0700 > >Received: (qmail 10979 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 10969 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0000 > >From sfraves-return-69288-aaronhdixon Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:00:26 -0700 > >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm > >Precedence: bulk > >X-No-Archive: yes > >list-help: > >list-unsubscribe: > >list-post: > >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Message-ID: <001b01c112e0$b774bd60$63f05140@jinx> > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > > >*walks up and taps on the mic hello is this thing on* Okay so anyways, last > >night sucked hard kore..I want to personally thank harmony and Greg sandler > >for making last night one of my worst experiences since I started partying. > >Harmony did not understand that everyone paid 42 bucks and deserved a 42 > >dollar party. The JJ new berry venue was not acceptable and you know it > >Greg. I think harmony should issue refunds to everyone that was send to JJ > >new berry. You guys helped ruin my friends B-day party. Now about my > >conspiracy theory... I thought that party was going to be a massive but > >from what I say there were maybe at tops 2,500 people at both venues. Maybe > >harmony realized they weren't going to pull the crowd they had hoped and > >backed out of a much bigger much more expensive venue...I dunno just an > >Idea. But regardless my 42 bucks would have been totally wasted if we > >hadn't been able to talk those underage candy kids out of their bracelets. > >Oh and maraslime hall sucked pretty bad too...way to many e-tards and not > >enough space..What the fuck is it with etards any ways, it's like I'm > >standing some where and they cant find their way around you so they try and > >walk through you..Well I hope everyone else had a good time cuz I sure > >didn't. > > > >Nick > >http://www.core-nrg.net > >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69294-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 19:39:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36269 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 19:39:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36206 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 19:39:32 -0000 From: "The TieDyed Side of the Force" To: , Cc: , Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:38:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <20010715.174041.-1745651.1.oOXKandyKidXOo@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] JowyJadedKandyKidd, MARCH ON CITY HALL. (2 am Cerfew) > From: ooxkandykidxoo@juno.com [mailto:ooxkandykidxoo@juno.com] > DANCE + LIVE + LOVE + LISTEN = Legal party > DANCE + LIVE + LOVE + LISTEN + DRUGS SOME drugs! The authorities force us to have most dance events in clubs, which are establishments whose primary purpose is the sale of alcohol. Almost everywhere except California, one is also force-fed tobacco smoke more-or-less continuously in such establishments. These places usually have stringent searches at the door and overbearing security inside to prevent the use of any other drugs. Despite all this, even these venues are being shut down by the authorities. > (plus other related items i.e curfew)= Illegal party The police claim that we couldn't possibly dance at all unless we were on some drug, and if we're still dancing after the alcohol stops flowing we must be on something else. Hence the curfew. + other related items like unobtainable or ephemeral permits that specifically target dancing. > *SHAKE your ghetto sober BOOTY a$$ to the phat bass, all night long How does anybody else know that your booty is sober? I don't know about you, but when I'm dancing I don't FEEL sober. I don't look particularly sober either, judging by the number of people who want me to sell them some of whatever I'm on. > The demonstration and sacrifice we must make > Make raving and all it's apsects LEGAL by tossing and ridding the > drugs most folks assume them to have... How do you propose to do that? How would anybody know if we did? What are the sacrifices you are suggesting that we make, exactly? Do we have to actually BE sober? Does that mean we can't dance ourselves into a trance state anymore? We are already being told to lose the candy and the glowsticks. What next? Do we all have to LOOK sober? I don't think I could do that. > Display proud our many neon colors These hallucinogenic colors are real now. I applied them to the fabric myself. > "Would you give up all drugs at all dance events forever as to be able to > party legally at all hours transforming our community slowly back to the > way it was?" "The way it was" was not a community of teetotalers, but that aside... They are not offering us that kind of deal, and they never will. They are really terrified of dancing and dancing is what we do. Ride the Music AndyTiedye "The heat came round and busted me for smiling on a cloudy day." Grateful Dead --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69295-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 20:10:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54978 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 20:10:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54968 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 20:10:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5B3307.27B2A1B6@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:09:43 -0700 From: nima X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eck=F6?= , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <000f01c112e4$f3663610$63f05140@jinx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: Chill Everyone...was Re: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? wait.... i'm pretty sure frankie bones wasn't at the party. this could really suck.. i was there downstairs from 12:30-2ish and heather heart spun then icon took over.. (btw..the scheculing was all wrong so people were really confused, the asian chick in the red was icon but everyone around me was saying it was heather hart...am i totally wrong here??) i asked the crew (the people standing behind icon) why frankie bones wasn't coming on when it was 1:15 or so...they told me he didnt come out here once he heard there was a venue change. are you sure it was him, cause i was in the room where he was suppose to play and the crew told me he didn't come from NY! plus i don't think jon selway, the only other guy i really wanted to see was there david coleman and sensi tore shit up though! too bad the sound was so weak in the bar = ( confused... nima Eckö wrote: > Okay first of all Aaron I said it was a theory so kiss my a$$. Second of all > I don't give a flying fuck about any of those dj's. I paid to see franky > bones and if we had not of been able to get those kids bracelets they I > would not have go to see him and I would have expected a refund. Harmony > owes everyone that was at the Oakland venue a fuckin refund. There is no way > around it. And what the hell are you saying about UVT? You talking about ALL > One that got broken up, you mean the one we gave refunds to and had to make > up parties for? > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Dixon" > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:22 PM > Subject: Chill Everyone...was Re: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? > > > Nick, Nick, Nick....When are you going to learn how to keep your mouth > shut? > > You blab on and on about the whole UVT ordeal, and now your going to > knock > > harmony and inner eye for a flop in their party. Do you even know the > > facts? Do you know what really went down? Do you even know anything? > Did > > you even know that it wasn't all greg sandlers fault? You say, and i > quote > > "Harmony did not understand that everyone paid 42 bucks and deserved a 42 > > dollar party" Are you kidding me?! Did you take a look at the fliers > going > > in and around the bay area? Dave angel, Angel Alanis, Meat Beat > Manifesto, > > Dj SS those guys are not worth 42 dollars? Yeah, so the party was a flop, > > but why dont you just sit back and relax and wait for everything to die > down > > and come back to normal so we can all hear what really went down lastnite. > > Instead of making personal attacks on harmony or greg sandler. I am sure > > harmony will do something to reinburse you in some way shape or form. > They > > always do! > > > > As far as your little theory, you are way in over your head. Assuming > never > > gets you anywhere, Nick. It actually makes you look a bit more childish > then > > what you really are. Trust me, Leslie can vouch on this one. I have seen > > plenty of people on this list make assumptions, to turn around and stick > > their thumbs in their mouths beacuse of the wrong assumption. Before > anyone > > starts flying off the handle about greg sandler, harmony, or inner eye, > lets > > wait for them to post something about what really went down lastnite. ok, > > thats my rant for now. Hope all of you that tried and got into area 51, > had > > a great time! These guys really do put on great shows! > > > > Peace, > > Aaron > > > > > > >From: "Eckö" > > >To: "sf" > > >CC: "f8" > > >Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? > > >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:01:29 -0700 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBD246DAD0090400431DED18553160D640; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 > 11:59:57 -0700 > > >Received: (qmail 10979 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 10969 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0000 > > >From sfraves-return-69288-aaronhdixon Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:00:26 -0700 > > >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm > > >Precedence: bulk > > >X-No-Archive: yes > > >list-help: > > >list-unsubscribe: > > >list-post: > > >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >Message-ID: <001b01c112e0$b774bd60$63f05140@jinx> > > >X-Priority: 3 > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > > > > >*walks up and taps on the mic hello is this thing on* Okay so anyways, > last > > >night sucked hard kore..I want to personally thank harmony and Greg > sandler > > >for making last night one of my worst experiences since I started > partying. > > >Harmony did not understand that everyone paid 42 bucks and deserved a 42 > > >dollar party. The JJ new berry venue was not acceptable and you know it > > >Greg. I think harmony should issue refunds to everyone that was send to > JJ > > >new berry. You guys helped ruin my friends B-day party. Now about my > > >conspiracy theory... I thought that party was going to be a massive but > > >from what I say there were maybe at tops 2,500 people at both venues. > Maybe > > >harmony realized they weren't going to pull the crowd they had hoped and > > >backed out of a much bigger much more expensive venue...I dunno just an > > >Idea. But regardless my 42 bucks would have been totally wasted if we > > >hadn't been able to talk those underage candy kids out of their > bracelets. > > >Oh and maraslime hall sucked pretty bad too...way to many e-tards and not > > >enough space..What the fuck is it with etards any ways, it's like I'm > > >standing some where and they cant find their way around you so they try > and > > >walk through you..Well I hope everyone else had a good time cuz I sure > > >didn't. > > > > > >Nick > > >http://www.core-nrg.net > > >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69296-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 20:11:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56073 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 20:11:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56026 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 20:11:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5B3326.FC40494D@numenor.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:10:15 -0700 From: "Phillip A. Rzewski" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on there. Maybe I am just turning into a big sourpus. -- Phil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69297-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 20:13:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59478 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 20:13:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59460 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 20:13:32 -0000 From: "The TieDyed Side of the Force" To: "Hobbit ." , Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:12:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Dancing for exercise? Hobbit . [mailto:hobbit94720@hotmail.com] wrote: > I was just wondering, what is the main reason that you go to raves?... > I like to go mainly to get my exercise. First off, I would encourage you to write the SF supervisors and present the case for dancing as healthy exercise. This is the kind of message they need to see. I am also bringing it up in my own correspondence with them as I get much of my own exercise from dancing. Dancing certainly IS very good exercise. The secret to dancing all night is to dance with whatever parts of the body are not yet too tired to move. By morning we will have gotten around to everything. It has always seemed to me that we ought to be able to license our dance spaces as health clubs (which are naturally allowed to go all night and are all ages). If that required provision of amenities such as showers and air conditioning geared to heavy exercise, that would be OK. Actually, that would be wonderful. > I go early and find a nice uncrowded spot on the dancefloor, > then dance hard for as long as I can (sober, usually for 4-6 hours > with short water breaks.) I also show up early, and if the music is good enough I'll go all night and then some. > Is it possible that I wouldn't have to go to parties at all if I > had a good set of speakers, some decent mixtapes, and a decent floor > in my apartment to dance on? Dancing alone is still not the same, even in the best-equipped living room. It is still the same physical exercise, but there is much more to dancing than exercise. > Well, maybe seeing everyone else dancing hard around me keeps me going... seeing, feeling, sharing.... Ride the Music AndyTiedye --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69298-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 20:30:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68910 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 20:30:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68900 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 20:30:14 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c112ec$c5839000$5b95d6cf@oemcomputer> From: "Guillermo" To: "Aaron Dixon" , , , Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:27:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area:::One ISNT PAUL OAKEN FOLD GONNA BE AT AREA-1 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Dixon To: davesweeten@hotmail.com ; sfraves@hyperreal.org ; staff@technorepublic.net Date: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area:::One >Outkast and the roots, alongside one of my all time favorite live piece >house orchestra "rhinocerose." I am glad that this show is during the day >and at a clean venue. Watch out for the derrick may, kevin saunderson and >juan atkins sets! Those guys can truely rip it up! Does anyone remember >the party at home base where these guys ripped it up. I can't recall, it >was too long ago, but i do remember derrick may and kevin saunderson throwin >down some wicked detroit techno! Watch out bay area, here comes a show not >to miss! See some of you there! > >Peace, >Aaron > > >>From: "Dave Sweeten" >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, staff@technorepublic.net >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area:::One >>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:16:53 +0000 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>X-Originating-IP: [24.20.31.194] >>Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >>MHotMailBD2463C8006440042A0CD18553160A200; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:17:45 -0700 >>Received: (qmail 90634 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 18:17:28 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 90624 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:17:28 -0000 >>>From sfraves-return-69285-aaronhdixon Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:17:53 -0700 >>Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >>Precedence: bulk >>X-No-Archive: yes >>list-help: >>list-unsubscribe: >>list-post: >>Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Message-ID: >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 18:16:53.0588 (UTC) >>FILETIME=[7C03D140:01C112DA] >>X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >> >>I'm going. I saw this tour advertized in Boston when I was there a few >>weeks >>ago. >>dopeazz lineup! >> >>SWEE10 >> >> >>>From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" >>>To: >>>Subject: [sfraves] Area:::One >>>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:02:22 -0700 >>> >>>anyone besides me going to this wonderful electronic music >>>concert/festival???? (no, its not a rave!) >>> >>>once again:::: >>> >>>The Roots >>>New Order >>>Outkast >>>Moby >>>The Innovators [Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson] >>>Rinocerose >>>Timo Maas >>> >>>Shoreline Amphitheatre @ 3pm - 07_31_01 >>> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69299-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 20:30:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70172 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 20:30:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70162 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 20:30:31 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c112ee$d5d05040$22db59cc@gamer> From: "Justin Meacham" To: "Aaron Dixon" , , Cc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:42:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Chill Everyone...was Re: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? I think that there should already be an explanation out... why are they waiting soo long are they making sure that they all have their stories straight so when they lie to us the dont get caught?? -Justin -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Dixon To: ecko37@pacbell.net ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: frequency-8@squinky.org Date: Sunday, July 22, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: [sfraves] Chill Everyone...was Re: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? >Nick, Nick, Nick....When are you going to learn how to keep your mouth shut? > You blab on and on about the whole UVT ordeal, and now your going to knock >harmony and inner eye for a flop in their party. Do you even know the >facts? Do you know what really went down? Do you even know anything? Did >you even know that it wasn't all greg sandlers fault? You say, and i quote >"Harmony did not understand that everyone paid 42 bucks and deserved a 42 >dollar party" Are you kidding me?! Did you take a look at the fliers going >in and around the bay area? Dave angel, Angel Alanis, Meat Beat Manifesto, >Dj SS those guys are not worth 42 dollars? Yeah, so the party was a flop, >but why dont you just sit back and relax and wait for everything to die down >and come back to normal so we can all hear what really went down lastnite. >Instead of making personal attacks on harmony or greg sandler. I am sure >harmony will do something to reinburse you in some way shape or form. They >always do! > >As far as your little theory, you are way in over your head. Assuming never >gets you anywhere, Nick. It actually makes you look a bit more childish then >what you really are. Trust me, Leslie can vouch on this one. I have seen >plenty of people on this list make assumptions, to turn around and stick >their thumbs in their mouths beacuse of the wrong assumption. Before anyone >starts flying off the handle about greg sandler, harmony, or inner eye, lets >wait for them to post something about what really went down lastnite. ok, >thats my rant for now. Hope all of you that tried and got into area 51, had >a great time! These guys really do put on great shows! > >Peace, >Aaron > > >>From: "Eckö" >>To: "sf" >>CC: "f8" >>Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 the conspiracy?? >>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:01:29 -0700 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >>MHotMailBD246DAD0090400431DED18553160D640; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:59:57 -0700 >>Received: (qmail 10979 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 10969 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0000 >>>From sfraves-return-69288-aaronhdixon Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:00:26 -0700 >>Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >>Precedence: bulk >>X-No-Archive: yes >>list-help: >>list-unsubscribe: >>list-post: >>Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Message-ID: <001b01c112e0$b774bd60$63f05140@jinx> >>X-Priority: 3 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >>X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >> >>*walks up and taps on the mic hello is this thing on* Okay so anyways, last >>night sucked hard kore..I want to personally thank harmony and Greg sandler >>for making last night one of my worst experiences since I started partying. >>Harmony did not understand that everyone paid 42 bucks and deserved a 42 >>dollar party. The JJ new berry venue was not acceptable and you know it >>Greg. I think harmony should issue refunds to everyone that was send to JJ >>new berry. You guys helped ruin my friends B-day party. Now about my >>conspiracy theory... I thought that party was going to be a massive but >>from what I say there were maybe at tops 2,500 people at both venues. Maybe >>harmony realized they weren't going to pull the crowd they had hoped and >>backed out of a much bigger much more expensive venue...I dunno just an >>Idea. But regardless my 42 bucks would have been totally wasted if we >>hadn't been able to talk those underage candy kids out of their bracelets. >>Oh and maraslime hall sucked pretty bad too...way to many e-tards and not >>enough space..What the fuck is it with etards any ways, it's like I'm >>standing some where and they cant find their way around you so they try and >>walk through you..Well I hope everyone else had a good time cuz I sure >>didn't. >> >>Nick >>http://www.core-nrg.net >>http://www.unityvibetribe.com >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69300-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 20:32:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72482 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 20:32:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72472 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 20:32:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: DF doc cc: , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] review: LIMELIGHT for 7-18-01 You expect too much from a crew that puts pictures of large breasted women cropped at the neck on their flyers. andyw On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, DF doc wrote: -&e->Look....we shouldn't be obligated to chase around promoters for a free party -&e->that they promised to give the folks that paid good money for a botched -&e->event. That's being way to desperate. It's their duty to inform those -&e->people. I just feel they should hold their word and PUT SOME EFFORT INTO -&e->IT. -&e-> -&e->Why is there no mention about being able to get in free w/a Survival ticket -&e->stubb to those events they advertise on SFR? Because there is a isht load -&e->of those peeps on the list and they would LOSE MONEY KID! -&e-> -&e->Bottom line, they didn't handle their promise in good fashion. The way they -&e->promoted their make up party made it seem like it was going to be only for -&e->the folks that got gyped for Survival, and if they would have gone throght -&e->w/it that way everything would have been all good in my eyes for the -&e->Survival party and Brainchild as a Staff and Party Production. -&e-> -&e->I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way so they lost out with us. -&e-> -&e->Jose- -&e-> -&e->>As for make up parties, they have already had parties where they let -&e->>survival tickets in, you should have called the voice mail, there has been -&e->>plenty of oppertunities -&e-> -&e-> -&e-> -&e->_________________________________________________________________ -&e->Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -&e-> -&e-> -&e->--------------------------------------------------------------------- -&e->To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org -&e->For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -&e-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69301-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 20:33:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74363 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 20:33:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74351 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 20:33:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722203307.21484.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <001901c11260$545520b0$0200005a@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] If you like Super Greg, Check Out Icy Hot Stunnaz!!!! Oh manish!! Whats your IHS Alias??? Normally I wouldn't cloud the list with something like this, but I can't resist... I'm "Da Undertaker" >:) -Dreg --- Joey Trance wrote: > If you liked supergreg.com check out… > > http://www.geocities.com/iceyhotstunaz/ > > these guys are tough, the new rap sensation… and > find out your icy hot > stunaz name here… > > http://www.angelfire.com/hiphop2/stuntaname/ > > hard core… my name is “strait balln” LOL!!! Whats > yours??? > > > > Joeytrance.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69302-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 20:43:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79507 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 20:43:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79485 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 20:43:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722204316.15139.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: kimba Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net To: "Phillip A. Rzewski" , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3B5B3326.FC40494D@numenor.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1117617087-995834596=:8451" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? --0-1117617087-995834596=:8451 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well.. I had fun.. and you should have stuck around because dj SS showed up shortly thereafter and rocked the freakin house!! hahha stop bein a sourpusss ;) kimba "Phillip A. Rzewski" wrote: Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on there. Maybe I am just turning into a big sourpus. -- Phil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1117617087-995834596=:8451-- From sfraves-return-69303-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 20:44:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81273 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 20:44:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81263 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 20:44:24 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:44:06 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010722203307.21484.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] If you like Super Greg, Check Out Icy Hot Stunnaz!!!! Oh manish!! Whats your IHS Alias??? You're lucky. I'm Panty Droppa. > From: Dregaron Starlighter > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] If you like Super Greg, Check Out Icy Hot Stunnaz!!!! > Oh manish!! Whats your IHS Alias??? > > Normally I wouldn't cloud the list with something like > this, but I can't resist... I'm "Da Undertaker" >:) > > -Dreg > > --- Joey Trance wrote: >> If you liked supergreg.com check out? >> >> http://www.geocities.com/iceyhotstunaz/ >> >> these guys are tough, the new rap sensation? and >> find out your icy hot >> stunaz name here? >> >> http://www.angelfire.com/hiphop2/stuntaname/ >> >> hard core? my name is ?strait balln? LOL!!! Whats >> yours??? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69304-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 20:58:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87536 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 20:58:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87523 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 20:58:34 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5B3E31.CEF3C36F@numenor.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:57:22 -0700 From: "Phillip A. Rzewski" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010722204316.15139.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? Shoot. It's official then: I suck. :) I was looking at all the promos for Area 51 last night and I saw SS listed on there, and I thought "Damn, what a waste of a good SS. I remember when he wrecked the floor at Eklektic." :) -- Phil kimba wrote: > Well.. I had fun.. and you should have stuck around because dj SS > showed up shortly thereafter and rocked the freakin house!! > > hahha stop bein a sourpusss ;) > > kimba > > "Phillip A. Rzewski" wrote: > > Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding > Eklektic to > be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious > to hear from > others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the > first set > did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was > hooting because > they recognized the track, but it was completely > undanceable. If DJs are > sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of > it... or > whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for > 10 minutes > during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + > slowcore > intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home > to bed. I > can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever > was going on > there. > > Maybe I am just turning into a big sourpus. > > -- > Phil > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69305-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 21:21:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90193 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 21:21:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90181 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 21:21:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722212018.61799.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] test...please ignore. :) nrr __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69306-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 22:03:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4352 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 22:03:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4342 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 22:03:51 -0000 From: "djSyMPLiSTiK" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:03:28 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c112fa$238e5920$a4a3fa18@c1586593b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DJ SyMPLiSTiK presents Zero Hours, Sundays 10pm-midnight Hey ya'll, what's up? Got nothing else to do this Sunday evening? You pissed Area 51 ended up being a bust? Lift your cares away with two hours of electronic goodness, dubbed "Zero Hours"!! yay! Every Sunday night 10pm-midnight PST, pumping out the best psytrance, hi-nrg, hard house, funky beats, drum'n'bass and more to your computer speakers! Every once in awhile, we'll also have live DJ performances by me as well as our psytrance lord DJ Spottycat. http://www.vulpinearts.com Connection instructions and noticices are on the website. You can start connecting to the stream at 9:50pm and we start at 10pm promptly. See ya then! djSyMPLiSTiK hi-nrg / hard house www.vulpinearts.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69307-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 23:07:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17521 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 23:07:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17506 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 23:07:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722230718.162.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] •BSP• ALL NEW>>www.resourcerecords.com V3.0 is up! Hey Folks...Check it out!! Just wanted to let you all know that the new site is up!! http://www.resourcerecords.com It has lots of music and information about all the Resource artists as well as live DJ mixes for your downloading pleasure! Enjoy and tell a friend!! Resource Music USA ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69308-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 23:13:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20532 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 23:13:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20520 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 23:13:02 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:24:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TEST "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69309-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 23:13:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21115 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 23:13:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21082 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 23:13:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.127.164.55] From: "Megan Long" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:38:41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 22:38:41.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E9571C0:01C112FF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 review So, I'm curious, what did everyone think about Area 51 once they (hopefully)got to one of the venues?? I had a good time at Maritime but was disappointed in a few things: the last-minute scramble to pick up tickets and get to a rave that ended at 2 a.m. (but started at 4 before people could even get their passes from Skills!); the thuggish security crew who were downright nasty herding people in and out; and the no-show by Binary Finary (I didn't just miss them, they weren't there, right?). But I met some nice people and thought the vibe was good, there were nice lasers in the main room, and the live acts (espeically Tinrib and Baby Doc and S-J) were tight as was Gianni in the Bassment (although he only spun for about 1/2 hour!!). So what's the official word on what happened with the original venue? I thought Greg said he'd explain after the show?? So holler out kids about what you thought...and if you saw me - I'm semi-tall with curly brown hair and was wearing baggy jeans and a bright Mossimo pink top/sports bra! Cheers, Megan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69310-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 23:14:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23855 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 23:14:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23844 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 23:14:28 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:25:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Ravers parade in Berlin Ravers parade in Berlin July 21, 2001 Posted: 11:34 AM EDT (1534 GMT) BERLIN, Germany -- Hundreds of thousands of ravers have danced through central Berlin for the 13th annual Love Parade. Techno beats thumped throughout the city centre on Saturday for the crowd of about 400,000. The crowd was much lower than the one million plus who attended last year, partly due to confusion over whether the parade would proceed. Sindy, 22, and Ela, 19, from the state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and wearing pink furry bras and matching handkerchief-sized miniskirts, were not worried that there were fewer people at the parade than last year, Reuters news agency reported. "It means we've more room to dance and wiggle," they said,drawing appreciative whistles from passers-by for their revealing outfits. Shiny G-string bikinis and fluorescent fluffy snow boots were among some of the more flamboyant costumes at the world's biggest dance music party. Rico, a 20-year-old student from Frankfurt-an-der-Oder attending his eighth Love Parade, was proud of his beige furry cowboy flares. "I used the sitting room rugs to make these," he told Reuters . Hundreds of DJs were set up on 50 floats, with one float offering wedding services for ravers. Some 2,000 police wearing Love Parade badges and over 800 health workers were monitoring the event. Police said they had detained 23 people so far, two for robbery and the rest for drug-related offences. Originally the parade was due to be held on July 14, but thwarted by an environmentalist group who booked the central Tiergarten on the same day to hold an anti-parade protest. After weeks of wrangling over costs and dates, the city agreed to let the parade be held a week later. The Love Parade began in 1989 as a small procession of 150 ravers and has developed into an massive event that pumps millions into the local economy. The Love Parade lost its status as a political demonstration, which means the organisers and not the city have to pick up a rubbish bill of nearly one million marks ($450,000). "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69311-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 23:16:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25409 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 23:16:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25399 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 23:16:05 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.223] From: "innocentchild" To: "Mike Migurski" , "sfxtc" Cc: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:14:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 23:15:21.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DAA58A0:01C11304] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 25 & 26 Yeah it was the same place and we were talking with Ben, the guy who is part of DHS and MBM about how cool the place was. He was telling us about this sweet spot for bass during Autechre where it felt you could be knocked on your ass! Sound was great in that place and the 1920's deco with seperate ladies and gentlemen lounges was a cool throwback to another era. ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Migurski" To: "sfxtc" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 25 & 26 > >hey just got home from area 25 in oakland. Too bad the cops busted it up > >:( It was cool to see the much bigger upstairs used at newberry, I've > >tried to get that part of the venue before years ago and never could. > >hopefully someone will be able to use it again =) Didn't make it to area > >26 at maritime but I heard it was waaaay too packed. > > The upstairs at Newberry? Is that the big ballroom where DHS & Autechre > played in May, or is there some other portion of that building? > > I like that room. Wonder if they still had the rib shattering soundsystem > i heard last time. :) > > -mike. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org > tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski > http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69312-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 23:18:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27695 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 23:18:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27673 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 23:18:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.20.165.51] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:17:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 23:17:25.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[77DF14B0:01C11304] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: Club MATRIX West:JULY 27th-$10 before 10:30! Hey people.. I'm helping a new club out a lot.. hope to see some of you out there this Friday! Spin Knowledge is proud to present a new event every Friday night: Club Matrix West! Located at 1803 Webster St.-Downtown Oakland Information #: 510.596.8909 9pm-4am FULLY Permitted! $10 admission before 10:30 $15 admission after 10:30 18+ with ID please! July 27th Lineup: Room One: Trance/NRG Morgan (HardNRG.com, Lotek Records) .One of the pioneers of the UK Hard House/Hard NRG sound in the US.. Morgan is taking it to new heights! Having played from coast to coast sharing his style to anyone who wants to hear, Morgan has gained a lot of popularity throughout the country! Elemental (www.elemenal.nu) .Known as both a DJ and VJ, Elemental has for quite sometime proven his talents far beyond just that of your normal DJ. Do not miss his set this night! Bazooka Joe (DJBazookaJoe.com) .One of the fastest rising names in the UK Hard House/Hard NRG scene here in the Bay Area, Bazooka Joe seems to be on a mission! His skills behind the decks are not to be taken lightly! DJ Reese (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Spin Knowledge) .Another one of the fast rising UK Hard House/Hard NRG talents in the bay.. Reese will take you from fun to happy and happy to fun and back again! A true crowd pleaser.. he will not only have ya dancin but have ya smilin! Reclipse .Having made his debut at the grand opening of Club Matrix West, we just had to have him back! With his signature style of Melodic and Progressive Trance.. please do not miss this soon to be crowd favorite! Room Two: House/US Hard House/Techno DJ Pat (Teknique, Fresno) .One of the Hardest working and best Techno DJs on the west coast! If you don't know.. you need to experience a set from this world re-known DJ! Having been one of the only American DJs to ever play at some of the most respected German locales.. his respect for his music and what he's been able to do with it is unparalleled! DJ Tronic (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Resistance Recordings) .Pioneering the new sound of US Hard House.. DJ Tronic has seemed to be on a mission to share his music with the masses! With a full CD Release on Menace Records in early August, as well as releases on his US Hard House label Resistance Recordings-this well traveled DJ is just out to show what this new style is all about! Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com/Supernova) *Special House Set!* .One of the best DJs on the Happy Hardcore scene today, she drops those Hardcore records off at home and packs her House records just for this night! If you love her playing Hardcore, do not miss this RARE House set from her! Elektrolyte (Nueroscience Creations) .Alter egoes aside.. this man truly loves MUSIC! There's nothing better than dancing to and watching a DJ who loves music.. so we know for a fact that Elektrolyte will not cease to impress! A true acid techno/techno DJ.. from the moment his first record starts to the last record ends.. you will be dancing! Jayvi Velasco (Groove Industry) .One of the more respected House DJs makes his residency here at Club Matrix West! Droppin that House music to make ya move! Club Matrix West is brought to you every Friday Night! Do not miss out on this new Club! Different themes every Friday.. different DJs.. same great vibe! Hope to see you out there! Upcoming Talent: August 3rd: Thee-O (Biohazard, Los Angeles), Justin Hale (Secret Society), Michael Liu (Illumination, Secret Society) August 10th: Spree (Sonicfury.net, Minneapolis), Cloudskipper (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova, Sonicfury.net), DJ Tony (Menace Records/Underground Sound Los Angeles) if you'd like to submit a demo to play at Club Matrix West.. feel free to drop me an email at djtronic@liquidvinyldjs.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69313-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 23:20:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30615 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 23:20:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30605 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 23:20:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.20.165.51] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, bayareahappycore@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:29:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 22:29:39.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBA33060:01C112FD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: Club MATRIX West-JULY 27th $10 before 10:30! Hey people.. I'm helping a new club out a lot.. hope to see some of you out there this Friday! Spin Knowledge is proud to present a new event every Friday night: Club Matrix West! Located at 1803 Webster St.-Downtown Oakland Information #: 510.596.8909 9pm-4am FULLY Permitted! $10 admission before 10:30 $15 admission after 10:30 18+ with ID please! July 27th Lineup: Room One: Trance/NRG Morgan (HardNRG.com, Lotek Records) .One of the pioneers of the UK Hard House/Hard NRG sound in the US.. Morgan is taking it to new heights! Having played from coast to coast sharing his style to anyone who wants to hear, Morgan has gained a lot of popularity throughout the country! Elemental (www.elemenal.nu) .Known as both a DJ and VJ, Elemental has for quite sometime proven his talents far beyond just that of your normal DJ. Do not miss his set this night! Bazooka Joe (DJBazookaJoe.com) .One of the fastest rising names in the UK Hard House/Hard NRG scene here in the Bay Area, Bazooka Joe seems to be on a mission! His skills behind the decks are not to be taken lightly! DJ Reese (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Spin Knowledge) .Another one of the fast rising UK Hard House/Hard NRG talents in the bay.. Reese will take you from fun to happy and happy to fun and back again! A true crowd pleaser.. he will not only have ya dancin but have ya smilin! Reclipse .Having made his debut at the grand opening of Club Matrix West, we just had to have him back! With his signature style of Melodic and Progressive Trance.. please do not miss this soon to be crowd favorite! Room Two: House/US Hard House/Techno DJ Pat (Teknique, Fresno) .One of the Hardest working and best Techno DJs on the west coast! If you don't know.. you need to experience a set from this world re-known DJ! Having been one of the only American DJs to ever play at some of the most respected German locales.. his respect for his music and what he's been able to do with it is unparalleled! DJ Tronic (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Resistance Recordings) .Pioneering the new sound of US Hard House.. DJ Tronic has seemed to be on a mission to share his music with the masses! With a full CD Release on Menace Records in early August, as well as releases on his US Hard House label Resistance Recordings-this well traveled DJ is just out to show what this new style is all about! Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com/Supernova) *Special House Set!* .One of the best DJs on the Happy Hardcore scene today, she drops those Hardcore records off at home and packs her House records just for this night! If you love her playing Hardcore, do not miss this RARE House set from her! Elektrolyte (Nueroscience Creations) .Alter egoes aside.. this man truly loves MUSIC! There's nothing better than dancing to and watching a DJ who loves music.. so we know for a fact that Elektrolyte will not cease to impress! A true acid techno/techno DJ.. from the moment his first record starts to the last record ends.. you will be dancing! Jayvi Velasco (Groove Industry) .One of the more respected House DJs makes his residency here at Club Matrix West! Droppin that House music to make ya move! Club Matrix West is brought to you every Friday Night! Do not miss out on this new Club! Different themes every Friday.. different DJs.. same great vibe! Hope to see you out there! Upcoming Talent: August 3rd: Thee-O (Biohazard, Los Angeles), Justin Hale (Secret Society), Michael Liu (Illumination, Secret Society) August 10th: Spree (Sonicfury.net, Minneapolis), Cloudskipper (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova, Sonicfury.net), DJ Tony (Menace Records/Underground Sound Los Angeles) if you'd like to submit a demo to play at Club Matrix West.. feel free to drop me an email at djtronic@liquidvinyldjs.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69314-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 23:46:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42156 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 23:46:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42099 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 23:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722234618.7864.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Saturday night review Sometimes you have to know how to read the signs. I keep a book with the flyer from every party I go to in it (unless a club or monthly). I had a ticket to A51, but no flyer. "Not to worry," I think to myself. "I will certainly be able to lay my hands on one sometime soon." Then came the venue info. I was able to sell my ticket to A51 at the 11th hour. Sounds like I'm glad I did. I reserve all judgment until Greg et al. have a chance to speak up, though preliminarily it seems a bit strange that a venue for a party that big would "fall through" the day before the event is supposed to happen. Ended up going to the Mission for a couple drinks and a little UG that ended up being a too-many-crammed-into-a-small-place UG. I still had a good time though. Good music, respectful crowd, and beer! Ha! Gave it a feel like a college fraternity party at some points, but no complaints. The intense heat of the House room reminded me of dancing back in the desert indoor venues when it would get super hot and humid. Thanks to my guardian tipster for the info! Sorry I didn't see you there later. Thanks to Doug also for a ride home. Two of the people I went with didn't stay long, and so I was on my own for a ride. Hopefully the karmic balance is closer to being restored; at the least, I hope everyone had a good night and was safe. -Dreg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69315-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Jul 22 23:51:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45613 invoked by uid 1104); 22 Jul 2001 23:51:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45603 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 23:51:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c11309$2bad5de0$e1bddd18@sprint.com> From: "DAN" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:51:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C112CE.7F023AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Whats the deal on Glow? ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C112CE.7F023AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey has anyone heard of this ne club called glow that opened on Murphy = near SUnnyvale town center...in Sunnyvale , i know sunday's are under = 18nights does nayone know how it is, better or worse then limelight? = thanks -dan ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C112CE.7F023AA0-- From sfraves-return-69316-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 00:00:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48532 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 00:00:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48521 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 00:00:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010722235954.5268.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: FUckFace Johnson To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] area 51 damn, i was disappointed that area 51 was not at a larger playground. that mary time place sucks a lot of dick. it's hot and smelly in there. reminds me a of the old court in the juvy center. there weren't as many skanky raver hos as i woulda liked. i'm not really into the whole raving vibe shit. what the fuck is this plur shit people be telling me about? if you really want to show some love, lift up your shirt and let me feel your titties. i can give a shit about home music or bass and drum or whatever it's called. i mean shit, i only went cuz they were promoting that mother everywhere on the radio and 7 eleven so we thoughts this gotta be a big one and we could meet and get some bitches. we scored some ho's last time we went to pacbell park. just too bad we never hear no parties cuz we only know from the radio. we from the hood, and there usually ain't no action going down there for less than 80 bucks, so we thought $42 was a bargain. fuck, that's half price. anyway, i have a question to you raver people. what's up with all these stupid asses lying on the floor? are they asking to get mugged or what? we weren't there to cause shit, but they started it first by being in our fucking way. just had to kick their heads to make them move out of the way. but can't they hear me the freaking first time? damn, why do some people have to be born stupid? when someone says get the fuck outta my way, you should all stop and listen. i said that to at least 100 dumbass folks and all they could do was just shake their heads and play with their hands. they weren't listening and giving respect to our warnings, so we had to do what we had to do. busted up their little asses and made them make way. why do some stupid folks have to learn the hard way?! anyway, i was hoping that place woulda been a little darker, like with no lights. cuz that coulda made it a lot simplier for a fuckface dude to score some pussy. but that didn't happen. thanks a fucking whole lot, area 51. what a stupid party. sooo... when's the next massive? fuckface __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69317-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 00:08:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53097 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 00:08:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53085 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 00:08:37 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:19:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] 51, Rebirth and Namaste What a bizarre and unfulfilling weekend of dance. Get up Saturday morning. Very excited about the upcoming Area 51 party. I mean really pumped. Check the email from Greg Sandler and got the venue drama. Agh. Big disappointment, as I'm sure it was for many of you. What to do? We decided we wanted a "rave" vibe somewhere on Saturday night without all the chaos of dealing with processing on Telegraph Avenue and deciding which half of the performers we wished to see. So I dug through my stack of alternatives and came up with Rebirth, an underground that was going down on South Van Ness in SF. We pile into the cab and zip on down anticipating family and dancing. Knew that friends would be there and we were craving some community vibes. Roll up in front of the venue, a former mortuary over 100 years old. The email invite advised that participants be "discreet." There are about 50 or so peeps milling around in front of the venue and we understand the house is packed and no one is allowed in for some uncertain period of time. We meet Dreg from the list, discuss some stuff. He decides to take a walk and come back later. We are kinda' bummed out. No Area 51. Underground that is overcrowded with folks standing about and nothing to do but wander around crazy SOMA in raver drag for an hour or so. Ah. To dance and be with friends. Or at this point, just dance would be OK. We decided to go onto to Namaste at Mission Rock. House music, and Jeno was to spin. I have never been to Mission Rock on a Saturday night. Got there a little after midnight and the venue was about half as populated as it is for Come-Unity and Mix. Music was fine. Breaks, some salsa and classic funk downstairs and rockin' house upstairs with Travis and Phil Smart. I had no complaints about that. But music does not in itself make a good vibe or successful party. I don't know if it was us or the people or what, but Namaste didn't seem to have any definable community vibe. Mostly straight clubbers, a few gays. And us and another obvious raver refugee from Area 51. He seemed depressed by the whole affair and left shortly after he arrived. First of all, aside from a couple of people, we didn't know anyone there. That's saying a lot, 'cause we've been around. And we were hoping for family. The dance floor lacked any sense of unity. Lots of clubber type self-absorption and cruising. Met an ex-.com executive, in his thirties and slightly overweight, dressed in white slacks and blue shirt, who was wildly waving glow sticks and dancing by himself with much vigor, if not grace, all over the venue. He said he was tired his former life and was moving in new directions. This was his first time on E and whatever else and lord he was moving like someone who had consumed a case of Red Bull. I liked this dude, however. He genuinely was there for the music and he said to me at one point: "It's ALL in there" while waving his sticks towards the dance floor. I hope his journey of self-discovery takes him to better parties than Namaste. Tried to tell him about some alternatives, but he was too gone to absorb anything specific. Then the cruising. The direct, club kind of pickups. Like, "can I light your cigarette?" "Where do you live?" "What are you doing later?" Two rather attractive guys offered a compelling argument for a threesome. I graciously declined. Joey and I are not in one of our open-relationship modes right now. Then a few women, one of whom lived a few blocks away, delivered some unsubtle propositions. OK. So this is what club land is like, but this is the very last thing we were seeking Saturday night. We avoid club vibes like the plague these days, preferring community parties. Having to deal with this after 51 and Rebirth fell through was depressing no matter how much I tried to put a happy spin on things. I would have stayed to dance to Jeno's set but Joey was putting out very strong "I'm bored by this shit" vibes and I thought it best to cut my losses and accept what fate had dealt. These bad experiences make the good, family parties so much more precious. One powerful feeling I had all night was how important friends, the community vibe, for god's sake, PLUR, are to a fulfilling dance experience. The music can be great, but without family you can't reach heaven. There's always the next party. Love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69318-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 00:29:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61634 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 00:29:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61624 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 00:29:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723002842.24762.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "John B." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] SRR: A one year retrospective, and farewell for now. Well, it's been about a year now... my how time flies. About a year since I first signed on to SFRaves. Well, not quite a whole year since my first post... I lurked for a few weeks first. A while back I mentioned how intresting it can be to save your own writeings. and go back and re-read them later. Well, I've spent a fair bit of the last couple of days doing just that to all my old SFRaves posts. And wow... it's been quite a ride. One thing that struck me tho, is that for the last few weeks, I've been a regular fountain of negativity, and I'm really not sure why. That's not the way I'd like to be, and it's time I do something about it... tho I'm not sure yet what. Tho I still think many of my points are valid... even the ones I've been flamed for raising lately, such as the cops abuseing their power, and the environment/policies of certian nightclubs (maratime most recently, tho 1015 has certianly been the object of plenty of my ire). Mabye it's a case of being a broken record... everyone already knows, and I don't need to bitch more.... Mabye it's a case of "if there's nothing nice to be said about those people, just keep your mouth shut". I dunno. In any event, It's time I take it off the list. I'm going to take a break from SFRaves for a couple weeks or so, and filter out the digests starting tonight. Maybe a break will help me sort out the cause of my recent negativity, and enable me to fix it. I really DON'T want to be a source of negativity on the list. And I REALLY don't want to denenerate into "that asshole who has to turn every conversation into a flamewar" that tends to be a fixture of every online community. It's odd... I'm pretty sure I'm not a "jaded raver". I haven't been around long enough... and when parties do go on, and I make it, I've always had an amazingly good time... haven't had a bad nite yet. Maybe I'm becoming a "jaded internet user". So this will be my last post to the list for a few weeks. Hopefully, when I come back, I'll be able to be more positive. Ah, but on to the happy part of my post.... a year on SFRaves... A year and a quarter or so since my first SF rave... It's odd... going back to my first post. I really did know jack all. I had been to a couple of parties back in Orlando, and hated them, and reluctantly let myself get dragged to my first SF partie, only because it was on the hangar deck of an aircraft carrier, and there would be a bar there, so I could go ahead and get trashed. Wow but to my suprise I had a great time, and totally forgot about the bar. And so it began. I really did know jack all... it took me a couple of monthe to subscribe to SFRaves, so I could get to know more. But I can see the progression in my own archived posts... First, the rave scene was a curiosity. Nice enough people, though not "my" crowd, and music which really turned out not to suck nearly so much as I had remembered it sucking. Then, it became a "good time". Every so often, my friends and I would go to a partie for a good time. Nothing you couldn't get at a club if you were so inclined... but nicer people... a nicer crowd, and a nicer staff. I had yet to be invited to any undergrounds yet, but still way refreshing. Then, one day, my friends flaked on me. I was left, at the last minute, with nothing to do on a saturday night. So I made a leap of faith, and went to the "Ravers for Nader" benefit by myself. And I think that's where it started to click. Where I had mostly just hung with my existing friends before, at THAT partie I was forced to meet new people. And that's when I REALLY started to appreciate what a great bunch of people ravers are. Sure, turnout was abyssmal, and it ended at 2, and I was too cold to go to the afterparty at the beach. But that's where I really started to appreciate the scene. So, slowly, I got out to parties more and more often. Most of my "non-raver" friends are more into either clubbing, or live punk/rockabilly shows. For them, parties are rare things. But after the Nader benefit, I was increasingly apt, if none of them wanted to go to a partie I fancied, to just go myself, and count on meeting cool people there, or meet people I knew from the list, or other parties. It's kinda funny, in a way. I seem to have developed the stereotypical two sets of friends... my "raver" friends, and my "non-raver" friends... with very little overlap between the two groups. Then, in about mid-febuary, I fell into a rut. The refreshed feelings from going back to Fl and visiting all my old friends and my family had worn off, work, for a while, turned into routine, unchallenging, maintainence tasks, I faught off the flu, and for a good month, I was generally run doen and didn't go to any parties, or even out with my other friends... clubbing OR to live shows. Well, what to break me out of that rut, but a kickin underground, "One of the Family". I really owe Husband&wife and Native Vision more thanks than I can say. That was an amazing partie exactly when I needed it. And it's still the partie that I measure others by when I have to compare. "One of the Family" kicked off what I'd say were a couple of the most amazing, fun, happy months of my life. I went to a partie almost every weekend. Some underground, most permitted... (heh... seems like the best way to find out about UGs is to BE at UGs... so if you miss a few, you fall out of the loop, and have to try like hell to get in again... sigh). But really, ug or no, I didn't matter. Sometimes, I could get my other friends to go, other times I'd just go... There would most always be SOMEONE there I would know, and the people I would meet would be amazingly outgoing even if I didn't know them... nothing at all like the more insular crowd at concerts or clubs. Most recently, I owe a big debt of gratitude to the Happy Kids crew. After almost a week of vegetating after getting laid off, "The Legend Returns" was such a wonderful partie as to kick me out of another rut in my life. Where I just sat around all day being depressed before Legend, since then, I've been taking advantage of my now copious free time to do all mthe touristy stuff I never got around to before... I've been expieriencing, more and more since Legend, just what an amazing place it is that we live in. So, I guess it took about nine months for the rave scene to go from being a curiousity, to something I genuinely enjoyed. And since March, it's become I hold closer and closer to my heart.... a scene... people... I truely hold dear. And it absolutely sickens me that there are people out there that wish ravers ill will. Those institutions, those people who would destroy something so special... I have nothing but contempt and antipathy for them. I only WISH there was something I could do to act against those people. Were it in my power, I would do so in a heartbeat. That feeling of powerlessness... it's so frusterating. And oh, but I've met so many awesome people through SFRaves.... Some, I've met in person, some I still only know through the list. I could hardly beleive the paitence and friendliness everyone showed... especially early on when I was asking lots of REALLY STUPID questions. I think it was my third post ever, to SFRaves, that I naievely set off a CD vs. Vinyl flamewar that grew so big that it eventually even involved no less than The Apace Project's Brian Bhelendorf (Ah... the wonders of liveing in California... ah.. the wonders of spelling skills crippled by years of writeing only on a computer). The first reply, to my first post... who knew it would be Gianni? Heh... if only I knew at the time who Gianni was. It's awesome that a DJ like Gianni is such an awesome guy that he can find time to give pointers to a total newbie. Thats one of the many things I like about California. People are so "real" here... and not do apt as to have fame go to their heads as in Florida. I've met some of the best (IMO) of the local DJs here... and they, so far, have all been real, incredibly nice, people... not "superstars". Whatever happened to Hillary 'Smurfy' Carter? She pointed me to some fine record stores when I first asked. Dave from Acme was also one of the first people to reply to me early on. I don't see them on the list anymore... kinda sad... but I guess people move on. Other names, from those early days, I still see actively... Veronica la Rosa pointed me to some really good parties, including the Nader benefit I mentioned earlier. Yarrow pointed me to the basic DJs I checked out to get a feel for each genre of "electronica" (ugh... *IS* there a better word that the MTV spewed "electronica"???). Doug Fraiser was the first to tell me why analog recordings are preferable to digital for DJing. Apollo was a positive voice from the beginning, and always had been. And the "History of dace music" series has been absolutely fascinating. I hope he's saveing it on a website somewhere. There are so many more... so many awesome people over the last year... I wish I could thank ALL of you personally. And the music... the amazing music. Once upon a time, the only thing I found notable about electronic music, is that, in the movies, then the electronica starts, that means that the good guys are about to start kicking ass. (see: Blade, Mortal Kombat, The Matrix, Mission Impossible 1/2, etc). A year ago I wouldn't be able to tell you the difference between trance and house to save my life. Well... I still don't know if I could put it into words, but now I can tell the difference when I hear them. Much less all the Happy Hardcore, NRG, and Ambient I've developed tastes for. But gawd... *IS* there a better word for all of it than "electrinica"? What WAS I thinking... to have denied myself all the amazing music for so long??? Anyway... It's been an amazing year... mabye the best year of my life. I owe this list, and the rave scene here so much. I really can't let myself become a source of negativity on the here... So I'm gone now, for a few weeks at least so I can sort out what might be the cause of my recent negativity. Maybe when I'm back, I'll do better. Thanks SFRaves, thanks SF ravers, and farewell for a while. peace john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69319-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 00:43:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68091 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 00:43:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68081 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 00:43:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.20.165.51] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:42:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 00:42:55.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[69A77070:01C11310] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Cloudskipper vs. Tronic: Round ONE! What's UP everyone? Cloudskipper and I.. twin brothers from hell.. have finally worked on a track together.. called "To Tha Bone".. a combination of US Hard House and Happy Hardcore! Just wanted to let ya know if ya'd like to hear it.. it's finally online at http://www.mp3.com/djtronic Hard as nails.. then happy as a happy hour drunk.. you shouldn't be disappointed! Featured on my new CD coming out on Menace Records-"Nu Skool Heroes".. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69320-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 00:54:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72095 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 00:54:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72085 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 00:54:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5B7549.257E2779@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:52:26 -0700 From: DJ Pat Organization: U.S.O.F. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2B27E7C92C3865F8F966D16D" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: !!! TOM WAX on Radio Teknique 7/24/17 !!! --------------2B27E7C92C3865F8F966D16D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tuesday July 24th Teknique in association with Selekta.com brings you [Image] TOM WAX plus your hosts Dragn'fly + DJ Pat Well, the show we've all been waiting for is finally here!!! On Tuesday, July 24th from 1pm to 4pm PST we will be broadcasting live over the internet from Sacramento, California. No, we didn't fly Tom out from Frankfurt to play on Radio Teknique live, but he has recorded for us a very special set to play on the show. We will also be featuring live sets from your hosts, Dragn'fly + DJ Pat. For those unfamiliar with Tom Wax, he is one of the single most important figures in the development of techno music. His contributions to the scene began with his becoming a resident DJ at Technoclub in Frankfurt (Europe's oldest techno venue) in 1987. Later on he took up A+R duties at labels such as Harthouse (where he discovered Sweden's Cari Lekebusch), Influence, Phuture Wax, etc., where he shaped the sound of the Frankfurt scene and the global techno movement for years still to come. While slowly building his reputation as one of Europe's truly elite DJs, he slaved away in the studio cranking out hit records by the bucketload. His tracks like "It's Our Future" (as AWeX) and "Freedom Of statement" (as Arpeggiators) are still rocking dancefloors around the globe to this very day. Perhaps his greatest acheivement ever, though, was the seminal "Cosmic Evolution" (as Microbots). What was originally just a B-side track on a hardcore EP, single handedly invented a whole new genre of electronic music (hard trance) that continues full steam ahead over 10 years later! And while this has all been going on, he has still found time to selflessly nurture his local scene at home in Darmstadt, Germany which has given birth to countless artists that now stand on their own two feet at the top of the world scene, such as The Timewriter and Terry Lee Brown Jr. (Tom Wax conceived and co-produced Norman's first record). Detailed coverage of his contributions to electronica would literally take books, so I won't continue further. Instead I will just invite you to listen to his set on Tuesday. He has recorded us a very special set of dirty, dark, grindy techno that you will not want to miss! If you would like more information about his recordings, please visit Detailed Tom Wax Discography or http://www.tomwax.de And, for those of you unfamiliar with the show, Radio Teknique is a weekly internet broadcast hosted by Dragn'fly and DJ Pat featuring electronic music on the techy side of things (you may even hear some tech-polka now and then!). For more information about the show (such as past guests, future guests, playlists, etc) or to listen, please visit: http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/teknique.asp Listening requires realplayer G2....if you don't have it, get it here: http://www.real.com For more information about your hosts, please check out: http://www.djdragnfly.com http://www.dj-pat.com During the show, we can be reached via AIM at RadioTeknique so feel free to give us a hollah, request your favorite tech-polka choon, talk shit, etc! 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Tuesday July 24th

Teknique

in association with

Selekta.com

brings you

TOM WAX

plus your hosts

Dragn'fly + DJ Pat
 
Well, the show we've all been waiting for is finally here!!!   On Tuesday, July 24th from 1pm to 4pm PST we will be broadcasting live over the internet from Sacramento, California.  No, we didn't fly Tom out from Frankfurt to play on Radio Teknique live, but he has recorded for us a very special set to play on the show.  We will also be featuring live sets from your hosts, Dragn'fly + DJ Pat.

For those unfamiliar with Tom Wax, he is one of the single most important figures in the development of techno music.  His contributions to the scene began with his becoming a resident DJ at Technoclub in Frankfurt (Europe's oldest techno venue) in 1987.   Later on he took up A+R duties at labels such as Harthouse (where he discovered Sweden's Cari Lekebusch), Influence, Phuture Wax, etc., where he shaped the sound of the Frankfurt scene and the global techno movement for years still to come.  While slowly building his reputation as one of Europe's truly elite DJs, he slaved away in the studio cranking out hit records by the bucketload.  His tracks like "It's Our Future" (as AWeX) and "Freedom Of statement" (as Arpeggiators) are still rocking dancefloors around the globe to this very day.   Perhaps his greatest acheivement ever, though, was the seminal "Cosmic Evolution" (as Microbots).  What was originally just a B-side track on a hardcore EP, single handedly invented a whole new genre of electronic music (hard trance) that continues full steam ahead over 10 years later!   And while this has all been going on, he has still found time to selflessly nurture his local scene at home in Darmstadt, Germany which has given birth to countless artists that now stand on their own two feet at the top of the world scene, such as The Timewriter and Terry Lee Brown Jr. (Tom Wax conceived and co-produced Norman's first record).  Detailed coverage of his contributions to electronica would literally take books, so I won't continue further.   Instead I will just invite you to listen to his set on Tuesday.  He has recorded us a very special set of dirty, dark, grindy techno that you will not want to miss!    If you would like more information about his recordings, please visit 

Detailed Tom Wax Discography

or

http://www.tomwax.de
 

And, for those of you unfamiliar with the show, Radio Teknique is a weekly internet broadcast hosted by Dragn'fly and DJ Pat featuring electronic music on the techy side of things (you may even hear some tech-polka now and then!).   For more information about the show (such as past guests, future guests, playlists, etc) or to listen, please visit:

http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/teknique.asp

Listening requires realplayer G2....if you don't have it, get it here:  http://www.real.com

For more information about your hosts, please check out:

http://www.djdragnfly.com
http://www.dj-pat.com

During the show, we can be reached via AIM at RadioTeknique so feel free to give us a hollah, request your favorite tech-polka choon, talk shit, etc!
 
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To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:23:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 01:23:53.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[228563E0:01C11316] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BM BurningMan made the cover of National Geographic. - Q _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69322-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 01:50:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1881 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 01:50:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1871 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 01:50:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:52:12 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <000c01c1131a$179f5540$2178ce3f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C112DF.6B174A60" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] FOR ALL WHO SAW THE KID GET ARRESTED AFTER AREA51 IN OAKLAND ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C112DF.6B174A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well yah ok first off i got into area 51 free and it sucked but yah when = we got out we were chillin in the parking lot tryin to help out some = etards tog et back home like the nice people we are. Then the cops roll = in and circle the lot to get people out, im chattin with some friends = and i do a little liquod motion with my hands while talking and turn = around to see what the cop is going to do. They bust out, both of them, = grab my and slam me against the door and throw me in the back. All they = are going is both being right up in my face yelling things like "You = little sh*t, you think your a smart a$$ dancing in front of us, well = think again" and as i kmeep saying sorry sir all they can reply is by = saying "your not fu*king sorry you little punk" blah blah, then they = tell em to get my id out and my wallet is stuck and they yell at me some = moire like "you better get that fu*king wallet out before i get it out = of your fu*king pants* and i give it to them adn they run up my records = and well, ie been on probation for getitng in the back of a stolen car = and i got sharged for autotheft and then they see that and start calling = me a car thief and telling me "oh great i bet you broke into a couple = cars tonight to" and "go steal some more cars why dont you you little = felon" and more bs liek that. m To make a long story short, i suffered 2 = a$$hole cops up in ym face boot camp style swearing at me and trying to = be tuff oakland cops for a bout a total of 20 minutes, and what did i do = wrong? I was dancing...... i can officially say that i was busted for = dancing, is dancing really a crime? OAKLAND COPS SEEM TO THINK SO, f*ck = this shit, area 51 and harmonyproductioas can kiss my a$$ and well, = maybe i saved everyone in that parking lot becasue there were many = people on drugs, dealign drugs and takign drugs and they haoppoened to = choose me for dancing and not anyone else, f*ck this shit, im fed up. = Thank you all for listening to my story and yep that was my ass that got = pulled into the cop car int eh aprking lot after area 51 in oakland and = thanx to all of you who worried, you all are the sweetest and i love u = guys, PLUR! w0o0o0diE ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C112DF.6B174A60-- From sfraves-return-69323-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 02:17:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12171 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 02:17:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12140 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 02:17:55 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.136] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: w00dy@pacbell.net, Sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:17:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 02:17:02.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F8FA660:01C1131D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] FOR ALL WHO SAW THE KID GET ARRESTED AFTER AREA51 IN OAKLAND << f*ck this shit, area51 and harmonyproductioas can kiss my a$$ and well, >> Since when is it harmony's or area 51's fault for getting you arrested? Jesus, all these guys were doing was trying to throw a kick ass rave for you guys to enjoy, and all you can do is sit here and bash on them. The cops were there to simply get the kids out of the parking lot, isnt that what you should have done? I know thats what a lot of people would have done, in order for something like this to not happen. Am i right? Im sorry for what has happened to you, and it sounds like it sucked being thrown up against a cop car, harrased and then arrested. It happens to plenty of people all across the united states, but seriously if the cops tell you to leave, just leave. No need to stand around and laugh or talk to friends a few more minutes. Thats what phones/cell phones are. There is no need to sit here and bash harmony/inner eye for getting you arrested. Just my two cents! Peace, Aaron >From: w00dy >To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] FOR ALL WHO SAW THE KID GET ARRESTED AFTER AREA51 IN >OAKLAND >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:52:12 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD24CDEC00904004325CD1855316064D0; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:50:36 -0700 >Received: (qmail 1881 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 01:50:55 -0000 >Received: (qmail 1871 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 01:50:55 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-69322-aaronhdixon Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:51:55 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-id: <000c01c1131a$179f5540$2178ce3f@justin> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 >X-Priority: 3 >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >Well yah ok first off i got into area 51 free and it sucked but yah when we >got out we were chillin in the parking lot tryin to help out some etards >tog et back home like the nice people we are. Then the cops roll in and >circle the lot to get people out, im chattin with some friends and i do a >little liquod motion with my hands while talking and turn around to see >what the cop is going to do. They bust out, both of them, grab my and slam >me against the door and throw me in the back. All they are going is both >being right up in my face yelling things like "You little sh*t, you think >your a smart a$$ dancing in front of us, well think again" and as i kmeep >saying sorry sir all they can reply is by saying "your not fu*king sorry >you little punk" blah blah, then they tell em to get my id out and my >wallet is stuck and they yell at me some moire like "you better get that >fu*king wallet out before i get it out of your fu*king pants* and i give it >to them adn they run up my records and well, ie been on probation for >getitng in the back of a stolen car and i got sharged for autotheft and >then they see that and start calling me a car thief and telling me "oh >great i bet you broke into a couple cars tonight to" and "go steal some >more cars why dont you you little felon" and more bs liek that. m To make a >long story short, i suffered 2 a$$hole cops up in ym face boot camp style >swearing at me and trying to be tuff oakland cops for a bout a total of 20 >minutes, and what did i do wrong? I was dancing...... i can officially say >that i was busted for dancing, is dancing really a crime? OAKLAND COPS SEEM >TO THINK SO, f*ck this shit, area 51 and harmonyproductioas can kiss my a$$ >and well, maybe i saved everyone in that parking lot becasue there were >many people on drugs, dealign drugs and takign drugs and they haoppoened to >choose me for dancing and not anyone else, f*ck this shit, im fed up. Thank >you all for listening to my story and yep that was my ass that got pulled >into the cop car int eh aprking lot after area 51 in oakland and thanx to >all of you who worried, you all are the sweetest and i love u guys, PLUR! > > >w0o0o0diE _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69324-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 02:36:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20930 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 02:36:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20920 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 02:36:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723023617.10246.qmail@web4403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Karma-Catt To: The List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: New Shoes... Yeah, I finally went shopping today, and I haven't done it in forever... I mean, when you don't have money it's hard to go out and look around at things you can't have. So, yea... I've been ignoring it forever and today I finally went to the mall! Okay, well yuck, I hate shopping but I REALLY needed some new shoes. I mean, these sorry shoes I've had for years... it's to the point where the soles are split in half and they're actually giving my feet blisters! So... yep, I went to the mall and looked around and bought 3 pairs of new shoes! Black ones and brown ones (both I need for work) and then an extra pair of white ones with pink on them. It was so funny though, looking at all the girls trying on these high-heels just seeing if they look good on them. Now I definitely have my share of high-heels (or FMPs... if ya get what I'm sayin) but most of the time now, when I'm trying on shoes I'm checking to see how comfy they are... are they supporting my ankle and are they comfy in various dance moves... yada yada, people look at you a little strange if you do a couple of dance moves in a store just to check out your shoes. Whatever, I need dancing shoes too... oh, what I really noticed... the shoes that don't leave those skid marks on the floor, are the easiest to dance in. I didn't know that before:o) Okay, that was it. Yeah! I got to spend money! oh, and I got a new tongue ring too... it's a ball shaped, see-through, light blue-green color with sparkles! You can ask to see it Thursday night at Blakes! Hope to see all y'all there!!! Love, Catt *meow* ===== *** HUG O' WAR *** I will not play at tug o' war. 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69325-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 02:42:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23850 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 02:42:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23840 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 02:42:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.0.105.223] From: "innocentchild" To: "Aaron Dixon" , , References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:40:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 02:41:29.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9BA4560:01C11320] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] FOR ALL WHO SAW THE KID GET ARRESTED AFTER AREA51 IN OAKLAND Are you the goodwill ambassador for SFR here? This is the second post defending what was a total mess. Were you there? Did you spend 15 hours setting up and tearing down to witness the whole thing? Any post that has people upset and pissed off is warrented. That was one of the saddest events I've ever been involved with. ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Dixon" To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] FOR ALL WHO SAW THE KID GET ARRESTED AFTER AREA51 IN OAKLAND > << f*ck this shit, area51 and harmonyproductioas can kiss my a$$ and well, > >> > > Since when is it harmony's or area 51's fault for getting you arrested? > Jesus, all these guys were doing was trying to throw a kick ass rave for you > guys to enjoy, and all you can do is sit here and bash on them. The cops > were there to simply get the kids out of the parking lot, isnt that what you > should have done? I know thats what a lot of people would have done, in > order for something like this to not happen. Am i right? Im sorry for what > has happened to you, and it sounds like it sucked being thrown up against a > cop car, harrased and then arrested. It happens to plenty of people all > across the united states, but seriously if the cops tell you to leave, just > leave. No need to stand around and laugh or talk to friends a few more > minutes. Thats what phones/cell phones are. There is no need to sit here > and bash harmony/inner eye for getting you arrested. Just my two cents! > > Peace, > Aaron > > > >From: w00dy > >To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [sfraves] FOR ALL WHO SAW THE KID GET ARRESTED AFTER AREA51 IN > >OAKLAND > >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:52:12 -0700 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBD24CDEC00904004325CD1855316064D0; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:50:36 -0700 > >Received: (qmail 1881 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 01:50:55 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 1871 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 01:50:55 -0000 > >From sfraves-return-69322-aaronhdixon Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:51:55 -0700 > >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm > >Precedence: bulk > >X-No-Archive: yes > >list-help: > >list-unsubscribe: > >list-post: > >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Message-id: <000c01c1131a$179f5540$2178ce3f@justin> > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > > >Well yah ok first off i got into area 51 free and it sucked but yah when we > >got out we were chillin in the parking lot tryin to help out some etards > >tog et back home like the nice people we are. Then the cops roll in and > >circle the lot to get people out, im chattin with some friends and i do a > >little liquod motion with my hands while talking and turn around to see > >what the cop is going to do. They bust out, both of them, grab my and slam > >me against the door and throw me in the back. All they are going is both > >being right up in my face yelling things like "You little sh*t, you think > >your a smart a$$ dancing in front of us, well think again" and as i kmeep > >saying sorry sir all they can reply is by saying "your not fu*king sorry > >you little punk" blah blah, then they tell em to get my id out and my > >wallet is stuck and they yell at me some moire like "you better get that > >fu*king wallet out before i get it out of your fu*king pants* and i give it > >to them adn they run up my records and well, ie been on probation for > >getitng in the back of a stolen car and i got sharged for autotheft and > >then they see that and start calling me a car thief and telling me "oh > >great i bet you broke into a couple cars tonight to" and "go steal some > >more cars why dont you you little felon" and more bs liek that. m To make a > >long story short, i suffered 2 a$$hole cops up in ym face boot camp style > >swearing at me and trying to be tuff oakland cops for a bout a total of 20 > >minutes, and what did i do wrong? I was dancing...... i can officially say > >that i was busted for dancing, is dancing really a crime? OAKLAND COPS SEEM > >TO THINK SO, f*ck this shit, area 51 and harmonyproductioas can kiss my a$$ > >and well, maybe i saved everyone in that parking lot becasue there were > >many people on drugs, dealign drugs and takign drugs and they haoppoened to > >choose me for dancing and not anyone else, f*ck this shit, im fed up. Thank > >you all for listening to my story and yep that was my ass that got pulled > >into the cop car int eh aprking lot after area 51 in oakland and thanx to > >all of you who worried, you all are the sweetest and i love u guys, PLUR! > > > > > >w0o0o0diE > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69326-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 03:09:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40882 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 03:09:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40872 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 03:09:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723030859.38536.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:08:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jungle Bunny To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] If you like Super Greg, Check Out Icy Hot Stunnaz!!!! Oh manish!! Whats your IHS Alias??? hehe I'm "Da White Ninja" --- vix wrote: > You're lucky. I'm Panty Droppa. > > > From: Dregaron Starlighter > > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] If you like Super Greg, > Check Out Icy Hot Stunnaz!!!! > > Oh manish!! Whats your IHS Alias??? > > > > Normally I wouldn't cloud the list with something > like > > this, but I can't resist... I'm "Da Undertaker" > >:) > > > > -Dreg > > > > --- Joey Trance wrote: > >> If you liked supergreg.com check out? > >> > >> http://www.geocities.com/iceyhotstunaz/ > >> > >> these guys are tough, the new rap sensation? and > >> find out your icy hot > >> stunaz name here? > >> > >> http://www.angelfire.com/hiphop2/stuntaname/ > >> > >> hard core? my name is ?strait balln? LOL!!! Whats > >> yours??? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - That's my Bush __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69327-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 03:20:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51256 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 03:20:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51246 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 03:20:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:18:30 -0700 From: EKLEKTIC / HEKTIC X-Sender: dMarie@mail.groundscore.net (Unverified) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Eklektic/Hektic = WHAT A NIGHT! Thanks to all of you who supported this week and always! What a treat to have SS (Formation Recs, UK) play the last hour of Eklektic after UFO!, ABSTRACT and K*O*D*A* tore the place apart. The 3 new bassbins at Eklektic are so fucking fantastic, they knocked all the glasses off the bar when we started them speakers up! Keep it locked. Next week HIVE!, then RED ONE & SIREN, then FUTURE CUT & STAR EYES and on and on! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69328-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 03:22:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54900 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 03:22:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54889 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 03:22:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:25:26 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <001601c11327$1dd7d1a0$2178ce3f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Fw: [sfraves] If you like Super Greg, Check Out Icy Hot Stunnaz!!!! Oh manish!! Whats your IHS Alias??? yo yo nigga! wuddup clownz my name be Da Neck Breaka dont throw down wit dis foo oh he go crazee up in dis shiznit!!!! hahaha seriously hilarious guys :D Da Neck Breaka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joey Trance" To: "'Joe Taormina'" ; "SF Raves" Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 8:42 PM Subject: [sfraves] If you like Super Greg, Check Out Icy Hot Stunnaz!!!! Oh manish!! Whats your IHS Alias??? If you liked supergreg.com check out. http://www.geocities.com/iceyhotstunaz/ these guys are tough, the new rap sensation. and find out your icy hot stunaz name here. http://www.angelfire.com/hiphop2/stuntaname/ hard core. my name is "strait balln" LOL!!! Whats yours??? Joeytrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69329-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 04:10:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78693 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 04:10:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78683 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 04:10:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:08:30 -0700 From: chazz gold To: Sfraves Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 for all you dummy's out there who are complaining and bitching about this party myself and my girlfriend Juvey were ther taking photos I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE YOU ALL HAD FUN So shut up!!!!!!! Chazz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69330-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 04:16:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82876 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 04:16:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82866 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 04:16:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.88.244.205] From: "Macadio G." To: datpsychoguy@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:15:58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 04:15:58.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CBCD240:01C1132E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Cloudskipper vs. Tronic: Round ONE! Sounds like hardcore just a tad bit slower.. with the exception of the change up to all out hardcore.. Macadio >From: "DJ Tronic" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Cloudskipper vs. Tronic: Round ONE! >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:42:55 -0700 > >What's UP everyone? Cloudskipper and I.. twin brothers from hell.. have >finally worked on a track together.. called "To Tha Bone".. a combination >of >US Hard House and Happy Hardcore! Just wanted to let ya know if ya'd like >to >hear it.. it's finally online at > > >http://www.mp3.com/djtronic > > >Hard as nails.. then happy as a happy hour drunk.. you shouldn't be >disappointed! Featured on my new CD coming out on Menace Records-"Nu Skool >Heroes".. > >Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69331-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 04:34:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91703 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 04:34:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91691 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 04:34:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.88.244.205] From: "Macadio G." To: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:33:12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 04:33:12.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[9535E620:01C11330] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] •BSP• ALL NEW>>www.resourcerecords.com V3.0 is up! Ok now quick question where is the Jump recordings Page?? I want to hear the DJ set by Kenneth Graham as well as Jaz.. Oh BTW for those that don't know that Kid Mattski rocks the fucking house. You want to hear banging tracky claude young type techno then call on Mattski yo... oh and the rest of the resource guys can hold there own as well. ;) Mac >From: Switch >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] •BSP• ALL NEW>>www.resourcerecords.com V3.0 is up! >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:07:18 -0700 (PDT) > >Hey Folks...Check it out!! > >Just wanted to let you all know that the new site is >up!! http://www.resourcerecords.com > >It has lots of music and information about all the >Resource artists as well as live DJ mixes for your >downloading pleasure! Enjoy and tell a friend!! > > > >Resource Music USA > > >===== >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > >http://www.resourcerecords.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69332-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 04:34:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93097 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 04:34:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93078 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 04:34:49 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:32:57 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, BRAINZGEAR@aol.com CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e0.17de56fa.288d02f9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) H-Foundation @ LimeLight this Wednesday --part1_e0.17de56fa.288d02f9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Wednesday JULY 25, 2001 > Main Room: Deep House / Tech House H-FOUNDATION a.k.a. HIPP-E & HALO (Siesta / 20/20 Vision / Soma / NRK / Champion Sound) Known as Cutting edge House producers of today, The H-Foundation will rock the crowd until the House falls down. DAVID GARCIA SF (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) JOEY MAZZOLA SF (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) Second Level: Trance / UK Hard House / Breaks GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Club Favorites / Progressive House MIKE SLIM SF (Deep Vision Records / Time warp Records) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69334-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 04:39:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 620 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 04:39:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 608 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 04:39:50 -0000 Message-ID: <00c701c11332$34866500$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:44:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fw: **UPDATE** Police Raid in St Louis thought you SF ravers would like to be at least informed of this discussion. Amazing enough that it is that SacRaves is having intelligent discussion! Keep the thought and conversation coming! -B "If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion by education" - Thomas Jefferson : >- Federal Taxation : >- Controlled Substances Act and all related drug laws : >However, these and many other laws are accepted by society at large and : >upheld by the supreme court. It's time for a revolution, ladies and : >gentlemen. : : As much as these two things may go against our very constitution, which : adult in their right mind would start a revolution based upon the fact that : we get taxes taken out of our paycheck and that we can't legally do drugs? : : You would have to state something about the lack of a decent educational : system, the blatent undereducation of almost EVERYONE in society today, the : mind control our government puts upon us via television & newspapers (what, : you don't think they dictate what news we hear?), the constant state of : ignorance the common american stays in due to governmental control, the : information and world news the govt decides to keep from us.... : : But even after stating all of these, would a common american be bothered to : get up off of their lazy asses to make a scene? : Perhaps risk their job? : Give up their beer and chips? : : We do have it pretty fucking good.. : The way forward is not a revolution, but a mass group of peole getting : together, LIKE OURSELVES, and put a form, lobby the govt, get enough people : behind us that the govt HAS to listen. : But you don't stop there.. : You also hurt our govt where it hurts the most... : Right in their pocket. : : Get the top 100 busineess in the country to rally behind us, the ones that : are the backbones of our country. : Play the govts game.. but fucking beat them at it. : : ~Mon : : - Federal Taxation : - Controlled Substances Act and all related drug laws : : However, these and many other laws are accepted by society at large and : upheld by the supreme court. It's time for a revolution, ladies and : gentlemen. : : -DOOM : : : >From: "Jimmy Zimms" : >To: kandymanz@earthlink.net, sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, : >projectplur@topica.com : >Subject: Re: **UPDATE** Police Raid in St Louis : >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:49:44 -0700 : > : >>We will not stand for the blatant violation of raver's rights across : >>America : > : >HUH!?!?!? : >R U fucking kidding me!!!! : >Dude. Ravers have no rights. : >Citizens do! : >The only reason that the ACLU is involved is because of the violation of : >the : >Bill of Rights. Get it though your thick skulls! THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO : >WITH : >RAVING BUT INPROPER SEARCH AND SEIZURE!! : >There is this little document called the US constitution. I suggest you : >read : >it sometime. : > : > : >>From: "Bryan Oley" : >>To: , , : >>, , : >> : >>Subject: **UPDATE** Police Raid in St Louis : >>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:48:44 -0700 : >> : >>From AJ Cook, Director, DanceSafe St Louis. : >> : >>*** : >> : >> : >>We want to thank you for your support! : >> : >>Numerous calls from Major Media and watchdog groups as well as supporters : >>and well wishers have been rolling in from across the country since the : >>announcement of this was first made! : >> : >>The actions of the police have shown us that we have to fight for what we : >>believe in and that is what we are doing! We had a private meeting : >>between the ACLU and promoters in St. Louis last night to come up with a : >>strategic plan on dealing with the War on Raves here in St. Louis. : >> : >>We have decided to start an emergency Organization. We want to make it : >>possible for people from around the country to take the action we have. : >>We : >>will not stand for the blatant violation of raver's rights across America. : >>The federal government will not succeed in controlling a sub-culture. The : >>time to mobilize and fight is now. Again thank you! : >> : >> : >>More info to follow... : >> : >> : >>AJ Cook : >>Director St. Louis DanceSafe : >>314-731-7752 : >>dancesafe@stlouisraver.com : >> : >> : >> : >>Bryan Oley : >>E-Board Admin : >>National Office Representative : >>DanceSafe.org : >>bryan@dancesafe.org : >>916-224-6170 Cell : >> : >>~Because Sometimes What You Dont Know, CAN hurt you~ : >>~Promoting Safety in the Rave and Nightclub Communities~ : >> ----- Original Message ----- : >> From: Bryan Oley : >> To: sacraves@hyperreal.org ; sfraves@hyperreal.org ; : >>frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org ; projectplur@topica.com : >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:54 AM : >> Subject: Police Raid Party For Drugs, Come up empty Handed, Detain 150 : >>for 2 1/2 hours : >> : >> : >> On Saturday, July 14th, a rave party was raided in Potosi, Missouri. : >>This event was to benefit St. Louis DanceSafe and Big Brothers and Big : >>Sisters of America. : >> At approximately 8:45, at least 20 or 30 police cars, two fire trucks, : >>two ambulances, a paddy wagon, a prison bus, five K-9 units, and a : >>helicopter converged on the party. Over one hundred and fifty individuals : >>were rounded up, and detained against their will for about two and a half : >>hours. Their vehicles, tents and person (pockets, shoes, hair) were : >>searched without consent. They were informed that if they refused searches : >>they would be arrested. Minors were questioned without a legal guardian : >>present. Two puppies were maced when curiosity brought them too close to : >>the drug dogs. : >> : >> Those attending the event were peaceful throughout the entire process : >>(the officers mentioned the fire trucks were there just in case the ravers : >>started "firebombing the police"). DanceSafe director AJ Cook was loudly : >>reading the ACLU rights card, and many witnesses heard officers yelling : >>that they had to arrest him to keep him quiet. Cook and others requested : >>to : >>see a copy of the warrant, and were refused. : >> : >> This event occurred the night after another rave at the same venue. The : >>affidavits from the undercover officers present the first night cited : >>massive drug activity, including cocaine, methamphetamine, and syringes. : >>There were "kids using every kind of drug you can imagine," said : >>Washington : >>County Sheriff Gary Yount. The warrant also mentioned "rumor" that the $2 : >>bottled water contained ecstasy. This blatantly embellished data, along : >>with a falsified claim that the property owner had registered a complaint : >>against the event, was the basis for a fraudulent warrant to raid the : >>event : >>and confiscate the supposed drugs and drug paraphernalia. : >> : >> The results of this massive illegal search were three misdemeanor drug : >>charges, and a warrant served for a traffic offense. The sheriff : >>commented, : >>"we didn't find too much," and "I swear there were drugs there the night : >>before". : >> : >> Though we may take some solace in how foolish those responsible for : >>this : >>travesty now appear, it does not compensate for the utter abrogation of : >>responsibility that law enforcement showed in their intent and execution : >>of : >>this raid. They not only wasted many thousands of dollars of taxpayers : >>money, they ruthlessly trampled the rights of American citizens who : >>traveled to this charity event from around the country. : >> : >> One attendee who drove from Wisconsin had his prized photo album : >>confiscated as evidence. It contained over 250 photos and was carried in : >>remembrance of all the friends he has made. Tents, cars and personal : >>property were trashed as the search became more frantic. "We have to find : >>something" witnesses repeatedly heard officers yelling. : >> : >> The ACLU has taken an active interest in this debacle, as have police : >>abuse watchdog groups. At this time, statements, photos and video are : >>being : >>collected from attendees. The local rave community, which numbers in the : >>thousands, has mobilized over this event. It has become clear that it is : >>time to stand up for our rights. : >> : >> Legal action is looming. : >> : >>==^================================================================ : >>EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84wax.a9iR7Q : >>Or send an email To: projectplur-unsubscribe@topica.com : >>This email was sent to: kandymanz@earthlink.net : >> : >>T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! : >>http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register : >>==^================================================================ : >> : > : > : >_________________________________________________________________ : >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp : > : : : _________________________________________________________________ : Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69335-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 04:41:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3114 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 04:41:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3102 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 04:41:08 -0000 Message-ID: <00cf01c11332$64186f20$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:45:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] STEAL THIS E-MAIL (Was: College Student Related) Ditto as last message. Topics that relate to us, and deserve intelligent discussion on where we go from here.. -Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOOM$DAY PROFIT" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: STEAL THIS E-MAIL (Was: College Student Related) : Interesting you should mention "changing a law you don't believe in" : : California citizens made a proud display of this American right, with : proposition 215 (the medical marijuana one?). And what happened? Although : it recieved a whopping 66% approval at the voting booth, a judge overruled : it, because it conflicted with an (unconstitutional) federal law. : : It is not enough to vote for what you believe in. The majority of citizens : in this nation, or at least in many of its states, believes that drug laws : are wrong. Yet they do not change. Why? Let's remember, : : DRUG LAWS WERE NEVER VOTED INTO EXISTENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE, : : THUS, they cannot be voted out of existence. At least, not easily. : : Some laws are not "of the people, for the people, and by the people", but : instead are of the government, for the government, and by the government. : These laws cannot be changed by a simple vote. : : This requires revolution. Go buy a shotgun and march on the capital. : That'll show 'em. : : -DOOM : p.s. If I suddenly disappear from this list, you all know what happened to : me. : : : >From: "Jimmy Zimms" : >To: silverpill@infectedlogic.com, sacraves@hyperreal.org : >Subject: Re: College Student Related : >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:17:19 -0700 : > : >Hey! : >BTW: Haven't U guys (and gals too) actually been waiting for intelligent : >discussion on the list? Damn! Two dayz and running with the political shit : >here! : >Wooo Hooo! : >I can feel my cranium swelling as I speak! : > : > : > : >>From: "Silverpill" : >>Reply-To: "Silverpill" : >>To: : >>Subject: College Student Related : >>Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:10:18 -0700 : >> : >>http://www.drcnet.org/ : >> : >>Dunno if this is true or not.. : >>I got a flyer in the mail asking for a donation (it is tax deductible) so : >>it may be.. anyone heard about this? : >> : >>ENCLOSED ARTICLE FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES : >>(yes, I checked the NYT's back articles, and it is in there) : >> : >> May 3, 2001, Thursday : >> Students Find Drug Law Has Big Price: College Aid : >> By DIANA JEAN SCHEMO : >> Source: The New York Times : >> Section: National Desk : >> 931 words : >> : >> Abstract : >> Students convicted on drug charges become ineligible for federal : >>financial aid and loans for one year after possession conviction, under : >>law : >>passed in 1998 but not fully enforced until now under Bush administration; : >>tens of thousands of students are expected to be affected; repeat : >>offenders : >>can face permanent loss of federal assistance to attend college; no other : >>crime carries such a provision, and there are complaints that law is : >>biased : >>against poor, who rely on aid, and blacks, who make up disproportionate : >>percentage of those arrested on drug charges; photo (M) : >> : >> : >>Is it just me, or is Bush trying to prove any way possible that he has : >>power? : >>He's trying the same shit when it comes to immigration into this : >>country... : >> : >>~Mon : > : > : >_________________________________________________________________ : >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp : > : : : _________________________________________________________________ : Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69336-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 05:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69592 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 05:26:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69565 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 05:26:20 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:26:41 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3078685601_84341" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Girl Power! @ FUTURE next Friday! 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I mean, OK, so yeah, it was a Mondo Trek to get 2 the spot! Totally!! I mean, I was already having a semi-day of Hell & I dunno! But the company of Jeff & My Darlin' Nic made it a CooL trip!! I Love those 2 kids! But, yeah, it took klonger than a hop, skip, & a jump to get there, but we made it!! Yay! 1st person I bump in2 there is Elizabeth Sy & gave her a hug! Yay! Then followed the trail! Then I bump into Andy W & Migurski! LoL...bumping into Andy @ this point kinda led to a bizzare evening of me asking him questions about anything which he did come up w/ Totally Awesome Answers but the sand crab answer really pissed me of 'cause it was a really good answer (Hell Yeah Andy...we're gonna go Hardcore Homie)!! LoL! Wow, everyone was there!! Saw the Eden Ent crew there & that was sick!! It's Dope getting to know Adam a lil' better now!! There was a point where Ira, Becca, Nicola, & I went wandering down the beach which was totally fun! Did bonding time w/ Erik, Karen, & Ari & crew!! Totally bonded w/ this lil' chica Regina! She was Awesome! Had a Bad Ass time hanging out w/ Veronica (the TP Monitor) & had fun taking her on an O§BY mision! Hmmm, I wonder if the mision was ever completed?!? Alida, Tina, & Patrice were Dope to hang out w/!!! Alida was all Cute & red! Gosh man, so many people there!! Oh man, gotta hang w/ my Boy Sol, but we didn't get to Groove together like we usually do! Well, it was hard dancing on the sand kinda! Finally hung out w/ Jeramy after hella daze! Oh yeah, I was kickin' in a lil' Group when I hear my name called in front of me & it was Ryan w/ his vid cam! Hello2Day! Finally saw HL after hella daze!! The music was Sick! I spent alota time hangin' w/ Migurski by the speaker listening to the old skool Trance set! BUt oh man, what totally got me Bumpin on the sand was the Breakbeats!!! Hello 2Day! So Sick!! I mean, I was diggin' the House, Trance, Electro, & all the Good Stuff, but oh man, it was all about Breakbeats for me! This was a Dope party! Oh my gosh, had so much fun!!! The most Awesome part was when the break of day was comin' up & things were startin' to get brighter!! Yeah, I do have to admit, a highlight of the night/early morning was when Andy & what's her name (I totally keep forgeting her name) decided to run in the water! Hello 2Day! BUt man, Groovy vibes all around!! Everyone was So Awesome!! My gosh, I still afterglowing! Dooooope Asss shindig! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69338-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 05:36:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82901 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 05:36:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82891 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 05:36:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:46:57 -0700 From: gfunkjeff In-reply-to: <001001c11260$3dccb1f0$0200005a@upstairs> To: SF Raves Reply-to: gfunkjeff@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] icy hot stunaz watch out!!! heres Krill be Ballaz...!!! LOL ya know ... the difference between icy hot stunnaz and krill be ballaz is icy hot stunnaz know how to work the system .. and krill be ballaz have no clue. check out icy hot stunnaz mp3 site - $1,236.12 in earnings rappin-fo-life.. mo money = mo bitches.. word to your mother. - Jeff F. -----Original Message----- From: Joey Trance [mailto:joeytrance@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 8:42 PM To: 'Joe Taormina'; 'SF Raves' Subject: [sfraves] icy hot stunaz watch out!!! heres Krill be Ballaz...!!! LOL http://www.geocities.com/krillbeniggaz/ damn they got the ladys at the bbq oh wow~!!! lol joey trance --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69339-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 06:06:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22442 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 06:06:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22432 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 06:06:13 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:05:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: osby@ratkoonrat.net, The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.89] Message-Id: <20010723060539.01A653ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Oh YeaH..CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =) I do wanna make a special mention that I swear, the more I don't drive, the more I miss Miki & Jason!!! It was Dope hangin' w/ them since the BBQ pre shindig! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69340-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 06:11:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30866 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 06:11:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30801 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 06:11:30 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:10:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: chazz gold , Sfraves Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.89] Message-Id: <20010723061056.EB19B36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 LOLOLOLOL......That's Funny Chazz!! --- chazz gold > wrote: >for all you dummy's out there who are complaining and bitching about this >party myself and my girlfriend Juvey were ther taking photos >I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE YOU ALL HAD FUN >So shut up!!!!!!! >Chazz > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69341-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 06:18:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38210 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 06:18:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38200 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 06:18:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.7.74] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:17:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 06:17:18.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[201D8F00:01C1133F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Goodnight Goodnight List! Sleep tight!:-) RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "You never lose when you love. You always lose when you hold back." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69342-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 06:48:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48536 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 06:48:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48526 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 06:48:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.20.31.194] From: "Dave Sweeten" To: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com, SFraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:47:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 06:47:37.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C4C85E0:01C11343] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) H-Foundation @ LimeLight this Wednesday Hellz yeah! It'z all about H-Foundation! Tha intelligent DEEP shit!! Dave >From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, BRAINZGEAR@aol.com >CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.com >Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) H-Foundation @ LimeLight this Wednesday >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:32:57 EDT > >BrainChild Records Tour 2001 > >Wednesday JULY 25, 2001 > > > >Main Room: Deep House / Tech House > >H-FOUNDATION a.k.a. HIPP-E & HALO >(Siesta / 20/20 Vision / Soma / NRK / Champion Sound) >Known as Cutting edge House producers of today, The H-Foundation will >rock the crowd until the House falls down. > >DAVID GARCIA SF >(Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) > >JOEY MAZZOLA SF >(Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) > >Second Level: Trance / UK Hard House / Breaks >GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) >TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) >MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) >DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) > >Front Room: Club Favorites / Progressive House >MIKE SLIM SF (Deep Vision Records / Time warp Records) >JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) >FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) >RECKLESS RYAN SF >(BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) > > >Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View > >Cover: $15 at the door. >VIP PASSES : $40 >VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in >line >and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in >entry fee's >you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! > >VIP passes will be sold at: >BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 >401 e. St. James, San Jose >BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 >Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara >Skills : (510) 704-9876 >2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 >a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! >18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink > >Tel: 1-800-561-1800 > >www.brainchildentertainment.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69343-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 07:06:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68708 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 07:06:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68698 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 07:06:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.201.228.5] From: "Leland Yue" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:05:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 07:05:45.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4B8C4F0:01C11345] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] testing. hope this works! Just testing my first post :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69344-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 07:26:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86245 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 07:26:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86235 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 07:26:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh To: "Phillip A. Rzewski" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <3B5B3326.FC40494D@numenor.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski wrote: > Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to > be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from > others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set > did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because > they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are > sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or > whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes > during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore > intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I > can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on > there. Although I didn't go, I think you should be alittle more open to dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass is one of the most stagnet music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet if people complain anytime somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. Your prolly correct that it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to sit back and grab another drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other room and come back when the music returns to something you are more happy with. I'm bummed that I didn't make it out now that I know SS was able to throw down in the last hour. Props to dMarie and folks for prolly saving his night and showing him San fran has some real people that actuallly have their heart were it should be. peace, jahsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69345-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 07:28:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87637 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 07:28:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87627 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 07:28:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:31:43 -0700 From: Jacob - SFDance To: Sfraves , sfdance Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Rebirth and Aranji Pictures Rebirth on Saturday was hot, but SO much fun... Here are some of the pictures from it, and also the pictures from Aranji from earlier this month. Aranji http://www.sfdance.org/images/aranji16.jpg Rebirth http://www.sfdance.org/images/rebirth.jpg -Jacob SFDance.org ------------------- Thanks for supporting the dance community! SFDance Weekly Dance Music/Rave Events Newsletter http://www.sfdance.org/subscribe/ Sign up to receive a weekly announcement list of San Francisco dance music/community events. Do you dance to the sound of your washing machine? http://www.sfdance.org/ ------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69346-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 14:24:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39874 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 14:24:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39856 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 14:24:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:23:12 -0700 From: dr_XeNo To: The Davis Family , SacRaves , SFRaves Cc: "Pat (DJ Pat)" Reply-to: drXeNo@drxeno.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_i+Xgz0yRXL5V4tF/p/tWnQ)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA f. DJ Pat 07.23.01 --Boundary_(ID_i+Xgz0yRXL5V4tF/p/tWnQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey Kidz... Alrite then. Tonite we have the man from Fresno who had given Frankfurt tekkno to the masses. DJ Pat will be dropping the basslines to shake the UCD bassment tonite, giving the freshest in German trance n tekkno. We also have local upandcomer, Digital Space cds to drop, along with tix to the upcoming killer, Hard Attack! Stay chooned... ;-) *Let the Music Get You High* TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA 90.3FM KDVS, Davis CA Monday Nights 10pm - Midnite RealAudio Streaming RealAudio Streaming Archive of Last Show Download RealAudio Last Show Request Lines: 530.752.2777 530.752.2778 Tonite - Monday, July 23, 2001: Featuring: DJ Pat/Teknique/USOF/Persephone (Sac) TiX Giveaways: Hard Attack/United Productions 916.615.2087 Other Giveaways: Digital Space cd's Ward Kadel <<>> drXeNo@drxeno.net www.drxeno.net Producer, TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA Monday nights, 10pm -Midnite on KDVS 90.3FM Davis, CA www.drxeno.net/tek/ IM: drXeNo6; ICQ: 18463830; IRC/EFNET: dr_XeNo; Yahoo! Msgr: dr_XeNo6 --Boundary_(ID_i+Xgz0yRXL5V4tF/p/tWnQ)-- From sfraves-return-69347-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 14:40:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51237 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 14:40:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51203 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 14:40:43 -0000 Message-ID: <00aa01c11386$1b241720$6de311ac@internal.earthlink.net> From: "Bryan Oley" To: Cc: , Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:45:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C1134B.6E880F10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] St Louis - 8 Year olds searched? ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C1134B.6E880F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those who dont recieve it... >From the DanceSafe E-News: Re: The Raid in St louis. **** Side note: She sounds just a bit *pissed off* about the situation but = from what I gathered by speaking to a few people who were there shes not = exaggerating **** [And yes Im spamming well over 500 people between the lists with the = same message, because I feel it is *not* spam. This is something which = affects the group of people (like it or not) who were doing the same = thing we do every weekend. And personaly, I would rather we act now = instead of showing up to a party one night and ending up like this. So = I apologize for crowding your inbox.] -B 2. The Barney Song: A Personal Account of the Raid.=20 By Val Weinhaus:=20 =20 The helicopter circled twice, and then the police came=20 in, Columbian drug war style, guns pulled and ready to be=20 used. =20 Jeff was assumed to be in charge, and was handcuffed and=20 put into the back of the police car. They told us that he was=20 not under arrest. They simply stated that they had a search=20 warrant and that his name was on it.=20 =20 They refused to show him the warrant. They laid it on=20 his lap folded up with his hands behind his back so he=20 couldn't see it. Jeff was not in charge.=20 =20 The property owner, Ronnie McRaven, was not served with=20 the warrant as he should have been. No buildings that I=20 am aware of on his property were searched, which is what=20 the search warrant allowed. Mr. McRaven was not given=20 any papers. Even the inventory sheets stating what was=20 confiscated were given to Jeff.=20 =20 After their grand entrance, the police ran to the=20 camping area and rounded up all the kids. The kids were=20 made to put their hands behind their head, line up=20 single file, and march to the large pavilion where they=20 were commanded very forcefully to sit. (During most of=20 this I was questioning the sheriff about why they were=20 doing this to Jeff, so I missed a lot of the initial=20 actions by the police.) I was then commanded to go to=20 the pavilion myself.=20 =20 Upon arrival at the pavilion, I made a couple of=20 comments about how wrong this was and that we had=20 rights. I was threatened by a police officer and told to=20 shut up and sit down on the concrete. I told him that I=20 was pregnant and couldn't sit on the concrete floor, and=20 after a brief argument with him was finally allowed to=20 sit on a bench.=20 =20 There was, in my estimate, a little over 100 people=20 being held against their will in the pavilion upon my=20 arrival. A few more lingered in as time passed. The=20 police separated the staff of the event from the rest of=20 the guests, and moved the staff to the back of the=20 pavilion. AJ used a cell phone, and contacted the ACLU=20 and some media.=20 =20 After about an hour, everyone was searched, and I mean=20 everyone, including kids around the ages of 7 and 8.=20 Some people like Jason Starko blatantly told the police=20 that he did not consent to the search, and was told that=20 he would be taken to jail if he did not let them search=20 him. During the entire fiasco from entrance to ending, a=20 man was taping with a video camera.=20 =20 I believe there was at least one more video camera in=20 use by the law enforcement, perhaps when they were=20 searching the cars. One of the hostages tried to tape=20 the searches, and the video camera was confiscated by=20 the Missouri State Hwy Patrol. When it was my turn to be=20 searched, I stated that I did not consent to this search=20 and the police officer continued with the search.=20 =20 During this time, AJ was reading from the ACLU rights=20 card, and the police kept telling him to shut up. The=20 police, in their discussions amongst themselves, were=20 saying that the only way to shut him up would be to=20 arrest him.=20 =20 The morale of the kids was good through this entire=20 ordeal, they sang various songs while being held at the=20 pavilion, including the Barney song. When the police had=20 finished their search of the cars and the people, all=20 the guests were made to line up single file and give=20 their social security numbers, names, and date of birth=20 to officers in police cars, who then radioed in to check=20 for active warrants.=20 =20 After giving our names and information, we were allowed=20 to walk about the property and gather our things.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C1134B.6E880F10-- From sfraves-return-69348-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 15:01:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66649 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 15:01:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66602 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 15:01:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Mon) ... And malt does more than Milton can To justify God's ways to man -- A. E. Housman --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69349-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 15:42:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95959 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 15:42:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95945 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 15:42:00 -0000 From: JonnyR@aol.com Message-ID: <116.2105913.288d9fbe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:41:50 EDT To: BodhiInSF@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_116.2105913.288d9fbe_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eminen @ A "Rave"? a few more thoughts --part1_116.2105913.288d9fbe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Bodhi, but I'm also thinking that tickets had been on sale for Cyberfest long before D-12 (and let's not forget The Crystal Method) were added to the lineup. So, I would hope it was already perhaps half sold-out before non-raving Emimen fans started buying tickets. Let's not assume that every hip-hop fan is a thug ... some of it is just image, just like how some of us wear candy and some don't. I've had shit stolen from me at an all-trance party; it's not just hip-hop people who are shady. I do think it's true, though, that you have to be extra careful at the really big parties. The bigger the party, the smaller the percentage of real ravers. Think of the food pyramid: a small underground that is flyered very selectively is likely to have a lot of people who already know each other and are there for the music and to be with people they know. It's easy to show a newbie around and educate him/her about "PLUR", noticing someone who looks lonely and saying "hi," giving water to someone who looks thirsty, and so forth. A somewhat bigger party will have some bigger DJs and more rooms, and will attract a broader base of people. I'm thinking of 2nd & Jackson ... There may be some people who, at first, don't seem to run in the same crowd, but I've met a bunch of people like that and they turned out to be very cool. "Thugs" who are attracted to the rave scene might be some of the most gentle people in the Thug Demographic; there is a chance for some intercultural understanding if people give it a chance. However ... you get to the biggest parties, and the base of the pyramid grows very broad. You get a lot of people who rarely go to raves, or they've heard that raves are big drug parties and they think that sounds way cool. So, whether these additional people at the base of the pyramid are techno fans or hip-hop or whatever, they're not indoctrinated in the fine points of raving. Some are there "just to get fucked up", and they might be the one who needs the ambulance and generates the rumors about somebody ODing. And some are there because, just like at any other large gathering (including the Renaissance Faire!), there are lots of people and lots of opportunities to pick pockets. Or "mack on e-tarded girls" or other antisocial behavior. (I heard somebody tell me he wanted to go to a rave so he could "get on some x'd out chick") We ravers are incredibly patient consumers. Young people get pushed around a lot. I know for sure that if the audience was older, promoters wouldn't even try to get away with some of the things they get away with. Like "Groove Nation": wait in line for an hour and a half for a shuttle bus, party cancelled, NO REFUNDS! Do you think that SF Giants fans would put up with: "Hey, no game today, go home, no fucking refund!"? Do you think you could throw the Warped Tour and say, "OK guys, half of the people will be performing in this city and half in the other. It's too late to choose, so you have to go to this half"? Wouldn't there be a riot? What about if there was beer involved? You don't want to be around thousands of drunk people who are angry about not what getting what they paid for. Promoters are lucky that ravers are either sober or on "happy, empathetic" drugs. Promoters are lucky that ravers are so accepting of deviations from their expectations. I've been to parties where the headliner didn't show up and there was no announcement about it, but people were still grooving just fine to whoever was spinning. But don't push us too far! We can only stand so much (Look at "Survival" for an example of ravers getting pushed past the edge, with tragic results). A party as big as Area 51 should have gone off; something advertised so heavily really needs to have a 100% secured venue. What did Clockworks do to make "Metropolis" happen at 3-Com Park, and why couldn't the people behind Area 51 do the same? I missed Area 51 two years ago and regretted it once I heard how great it was.So i wanted to go this year but couldn't work it out. However, I have my ticket for Cyberfest and am hoping it's a fantastic event. Just remember, like the sergeant used to say on Hill Street Blues: "Let's be careful out there." John --part1_116.2105913.288d9fbe_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69350-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 15:56:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13763 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 15:56:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13749 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 15:56:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723155642.44616.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 review I too had a fun at the maritime. Tin Rib was fuckin dope! he got me so pumped! the only thing that sucked was having to walk up and down all those staris. gawd damn! i think i spent more time walking up and down than on the dance floor. but i had a great time none the less. I'm curious about the party in oakland. how did that one turn out? well i hope of you had a good weekend where ever you were! peace angela --- Megan Long wrote: > So, I'm curious, what did everyone think about Area 51 > once they > (hopefully)got to one of the venues?? I had a good time > at Maritime but was > disappointed in a few things: the last-minute scramble to > pick up tickets > and get to a rave that ended at 2 a.m. (but started at 4 > before people could > even get their passes from Skills!); the thuggish > security crew who were > downright nasty herding people in and out; and the > no-show by Binary Finary > (I didn't just miss them, they weren't there, right?). > But I met some nice > people and thought the vibe was good, there were nice > lasers in the main > room, and the live acts (espeically Tinrib and Baby Doc > and S-J) were tight > as was Gianni in the Bassment (although he only spun for > about 1/2 hour!!). > So what's the official word on what happened with the > original venue? I > thought Greg said he'd explain after the show?? So holler > out kids about > what you thought...and if you saw me - I'm semi-tall with > curly brown hair > and was wearing baggy jeans and a bright Mossimo pink > top/sports bra! > Cheers, > Megan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69351-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 16:46:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43019 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 16:46:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43008 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 16:46:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723164604.69398.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: w00dy , Sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <000c01c1131a$179f5540$2178ce3f@justin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] FOR ALL WHO SAW THE KID GET ARRESTED AFTER AREA51 IN OAKLAND I'm not surprised. the oakland police have got to be the biggest bunch of asshole, ego trippin cops i've ever had the displeasure of talking too. i am sorry that you had to but the target of their harrassment. just don't take it personal. they hate all ravers not just you. --- w00dy wrote: > Well yah ok first off i got into area 51 free and it > sucked but yah when we got out we were chillin in the > parking lot tryin to help out some etards tog et back > home like the nice people we are. Then the cops roll in > and circle the lot to get people out, im chattin with > some friends and i do a little liquod motion with my > hands while talking and turn around to see what the cop > is going to do. They bust out, both of them, grab my and > slam me against the door and throw me in the back. All > they are going is both being right up in my face yelling > things like "You little sh*t, you think your a smart a$$ > dancing in front of us, well think again" and as i kmeep > saying sorry sir all they can reply is by saying "your > not fu*king sorry you little punk" blah blah, then they > tell em to get my id out and my wallet is stuck and they > yell at me some moire like "you better get that fu*king > wallet out before i get it out of your fu*king pants* and > i give it to them adn they run up my records and well, ie > been on probation for getitng in the back of a stolen car > and i got sharged for autotheft and then they see that > and start calling me a car thief and telling me "oh great > i bet you broke into a couple cars tonight to" and "go > steal some more cars why dont you you little felon" and > more bs liek that. m To make a long story short, i > suffered 2 a$$hole cops up in ym face boot camp style > swearing at me and trying to be tuff oakland cops for a > bout a total of 20 minutes, and what did i do wrong? I > was dancing...... i can officially say that i was busted > for dancing, is dancing really a crime? OAKLAND COPS SEEM > TO THINK SO, f*ck this shit, area 51 and > harmonyproductioas can kiss my a$$ and well, maybe i > saved everyone in that parking lot becasue there were > many people on drugs, dealign drugs and takign drugs and > they haoppoened to choose me for dancing and not anyone > else, f*ck this shit, im fed up. Thank you all for > listening to my story and yep that was my ass that got > pulled into the cop car int eh aprking lot after area 51 > in oakland and thanx to all of you who worried, you all > are the sweetest and i love u guys, PLUR! > > > w0o0o0diE > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69352-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 16:49:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46726 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 16:49:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46705 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 16:49:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: Joshua.klobas@alza.com, raver@sarilion.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:48:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 16:48:45.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[563EF300:01C11397] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re2: nrr - genoa protests >Now we kind of have the choice to either stand up for our rights and >involuntarily join the 96,000 missing persons in America, or to submit >and >live in (subjective, depending on who you ask- I view it as >literal) >slavery. i'm sorry, but that's really, really excessive hyperbole...there is absolutely no evidence that people are being "disappeared" for their political actions in the US (and i'm paranoid enough to watch for them, considering that i grew up in the era when troops were actually firing on demonstrators with live ammunition in the US and killing them). In point of fact, the US Government and/or its local subunits have not hesitated to kill dissidents right out in the open when they deemed it necessary, cf. the murders of Black Panthers Fred Hampton and Mark Clark by the Cook County District Attorney's hit squad back in the 1960s. They aren't subtle enough for secret death squads here...or frightened enough. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69353-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 16:54:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50130 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 16:54:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50087 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 16:54:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723165356.89873.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Pat Reply-To: djpat@yahoo.com To: drXeNo@drxeno.net, The Davis Family , SacRaves , SFRaves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: BSP: TeK-IndUced EuPHoriA f. DJ Pat 07.23.01 AWWWWWWEEEEE Yeah! This is gonna be a fun one!!! Dr_XeNo is gonna be quite busy on he phones tonight... I should also add that we'll be giving away tix to Club Matrix West in Oakland and some copies of my CD "Live @ Take Over The World 3" [I should probably tell him these things earlier, shouldn't I?] vibes p a t --- dr_XeNo wrote: > Hey Kidz... > > Alrite then. Tonite we have the man from Fresno who > had given Frankfurt > tekkno to the masses. DJ Pat will be dropping the > basslines to shake the > UCD bassment tonite, giving the freshest in German trance > n tekkno. We also > have local upandcomer, Digital Space cds to drop, along > with tix to the > upcoming killer, Hard Attack! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69354-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:01:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59481 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:01:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59467 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:01:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723170146.31717.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 review I too had a fun at the maritime. Tin Rib was fu*kin dope! he got me so pumped! the only thing that sucked was having to walk up and down all those staris. gawd damn! i think i spent more time walking up and down than on the dance floor. and here's some friendly advice from a fellow raver but you think maybe you people could find somewhere better to sit down than on the stairs like maybe all those SEATS UP IN THE BALCONY. and i know it's hard to decide which way to go, up or down, but while your pondering this monumental decision you think you could STOP STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STAIRS! and you know the dance floor is really not the approriate place to lay down. that's what your bed at home is for! so if you feel the need to lie down, GO HOME! anyway...i hope everyone had a fantabulous time... where ever you were! peace angela --- Megan Long wrote: > So, I'm curious, what did everyone think about Area 51 > once they > (hopefully)got to one of the venues?? I had a good time > at Maritime but was > disappointed in a few things: the last-minute scramble to > pick up tickets > and get to a rave that ended at 2 a.m. (but started at 4 > before people could > even get their passes from Skills!); the thuggish > security crew who were > downright nasty herding people in and out; and the > no-show by Binary Finary > (I didn't just miss them, they weren't there, right?). > But I met some nice > people and thought the vibe was good, there were nice > lasers in the main > room, and the live acts (espeically Tinrib and Baby Doc > and S-J) were tight > as was Gianni in the Bassment (although he only spun for > about 1/2 hour!!). > So what's the official word on what happened with the > original venue? I > thought Greg said he'd explain after the show?? So holler > out kids about > what you thought...and if you saw me - I'm semi-tall with > curly brown hair > and was wearing baggy jeans and a bright Mossimo pink > top/sports bra! > Cheers, > Megan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69355-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:05:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62280 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:05:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62206 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:05:08 -0000 Message-ID: <9B33F86286B97345921B434B51FB233110389B@sfoexc03.eidos.com> From: Nicholas Wilson To: "'n i c o'" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:01:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11399.1631A1C0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11399.1631A1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I havent posted anything on the list in a very long time, but having experienced the total lameness of area 51 I just had to put in my two cents. This has to be the worst party I have been to in a long time. I got there at about 8 and the place was actually pretty cool, but not nearly big enough for what I was expecting. The music was bumpin and I was havin fun till about 15 minutes into dj irene's set when the music got shut down and I was forced to stand there for atleast an hour. Obviously this was due to bad planning, the cops came as I would expect with ravers filling the sidewalks and hense they make us shut down. They were nice enough to let ud go till 12, yay. But the thing that pisses me off the most is the fact that harmony didnt let anyone know they lost the venue and it was gonna get split up into to little partys witch you could only attend one of and thta it was ending at two blah blah blah when they knew the venue was gone the day before. They could have posted and let people make other plans or atleast know what time to get there early in the day... I was really happy when meat beat came on and I was able to forget the bs and just dance for the last hour but dammit I'm sick of going to see bigs acts, paying 40$ and only beeing able to dance till 12 or 1 its like I paid 10$ an hour to dance. anyways I wish I could give more details but I gotta get to work before I get in trouble.... All I can say is I will not be attending any harmony productions ever again and I hope all the people involved with the planning of this event stub there toe on the coffie table tomorrow morning..... -----Original Message----- From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:53 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( This is what I got confused about. They weren't letting anyone in obviously, did they boot people out of the party at that moment? n i c o > Area 51 was shutdown at 12am. Meat Beat Manifesto played the last hour of > the night once sound was allowed to be turned back on. It's been a long day > with setup at 11:00am and finishing with teardown finally at 2am. MBM were > awesome and the visuals that Ben from MBM had synch'd to the music were > *awesome!* Great people too. Raves of this nature just seem plagued by > constant pitfalls. I had a great time hanging out with friends tonight and > chilling in the visuals bunker. All in all it was a fun night, albeit very, > very strange and quite the rollercoaster ride. Yeah - Oakland PD came and > caused the timing of the event to be shortened and as to reasons why - I > don't know. Hope those that made it out enjoyed it while it lasted. For once > it's nice to be home after long day of setup and such. Off to Atlanta now. > See ya... > > ryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vix" > To: "n i c o" ; > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:02 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > Wait... OPD? which party got shut down? > > > > > From: "n i c o" > > > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:16:48 -0700 > > > To: > > > Subject: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > > > > So I show up at Skills a little late (since when is 8:30pm late for a > rave?) > > > to find out I can't listen to techno because all the trance fiends are > > > crowding Maritime. > > > > > > Ok, no prob. Been wanting to see Andre Morant for a while (hello, Jack > > > Mackrel is the poop). And since my friends don't stop talking about > Dave > > > Angel, I figure I would be in for a good night, even without tech. > > > > > > OPD shuts it down right as I get in line. HURTFUL! > > > > > > Oh well ... *shrug* Been thinking about moving somewhere for a better > music > > > scene. Now might be a good time to really consider it. > > > > > > love and techno > > > > > > n i c o > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11399.1631A1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : (

I havent posted anything on the list in a very long = time, but having experienced the total lameness of area 51 I just had = to put in my two cents. This has to be the worst party I have been to = in a long time. I got there at about 8 and the place was actually = pretty cool, but not nearly big enough for what I was expecting. The = music was bumpin and I was havin fun till about 15 minutes into dj = irene's set when the music got shut down and I was forced to stand = there for atleast an hour. Obviously this was due to bad planning, the = cops came as I would expect with ravers filling the sidewalks and hense = they make us shut down. They were nice enough to let ud go till 12, = yay. But the thing that pisses me off the most is the fact that harmony = didnt let anyone know they lost the venue and it was gonna get split up = into to little partys witch you could only attend one of and thta it = was ending at two blah blah blah when they knew the venue was gone the = day before. They could have posted and let people make other plans or = atleast know what time to get there early in the day... I was really = happy when meat beat came on and I was able to forget the bs and just = dance for the last hour but dammit I'm sick of going to see bigs acts, = paying 40$ and only beeing able to dance till 12 or 1 its like I paid = 10$ an hour to dance. anyways I wish I could give more details but I = gotta get to work before I get in trouble.... All I can say is I will = not be attending any harmony productions ever again and I hope all the = people involved with the planning of this event stub there toe on the = coffie table tomorrow morning.....

-----Original Message-----
From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:53 AM
To: sfraves@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : (


This is what I got confused about.  They weren't = letting anyone in
obviously, did they boot people out of the party at = that moment?

n i c o

> Area 51 was shutdown at 12am. Meat Beat = Manifesto played the last hour of
> the night once sound was allowed to be turned = back on. It's been a long
day
> with setup at 11:00am and finishing with = teardown finally at 2am. MBM were
> awesome and the visuals that Ben from MBM had = synch'd to the music were
> *awesome!* Great people too. Raves of this = nature just seem plagued by
> constant pitfalls. I had a great time hanging = out with friends tonight and
> chilling in the visuals bunker. All in all it = was a fun night, albeit
very,
> very strange and quite the rollercoaster ride. = Yeah - Oakland PD came and
> caused the timing of the event to be shortened = and as to reasons why - I
> don't know. Hope those that made it out enjoyed = it while it lasted. For
once
> it's nice to be home after long day of setup = and such. Off to Atlanta now.
> See ya...
>
> ryan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vix" = <netserf@kapu.net>
> To: "n i c o" = <nico@bassdrop.com>; <sfraves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : = (
>
>
> > Wait...  OPD? which party got shut = down?
> >
> > > From: "n i c o" = <nico@bassdrop.com>
> > > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:16:48 = -0700
> > > To: = <sfraves@hyperreal.org>
> > > Subject: [sfraves] OUCH!  Area = 51.   : (
> > >
> > >
> > > So I show up at Skills a little late = (since when is 8:30pm late for a
> rave?)
> > > to find out I can't listen to techno = because all the trance fiends are
> > > crowding Maritime.
> > >
> > > Ok, no prob.  Been wanting to = see Andre Morant for a while (hello,
Jack
> > > Mackrel is the poop).  And since = my friends don't stop talking about
> Dave
> > > Angel, I figure I would be in for a = good night, even without tech.
> > >
> > > OPD shuts it down right as I get in = line.  HURTFUL!
> > >
> > > Oh well ... *shrug*  Been = thinking about moving somewhere for a better
> music
> > > scene.  Now might be a good time = to really consider it.
> > >
> > > love and techno
> > >
> > > n i c o
> > >
> > >
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C11399.1631A1C0-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- From sfraves-return-69356-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:11:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69621 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:11:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69611 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:11:47 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [139.95.251.1] From: "E A R T H _" To: ampedgirly@yahoo.com, w00dy@pacbell.net, Sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:11:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 17:11:19.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D9E6B30:01C1139A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] FOR ALL WHO SAW THE KID GET ARRESTED AFTER AREA51 IN OAKLAND .. attitude is everything >From: angela >To: w00dy , Sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] FOR ALL WHO SAW THE KID GET ARRESTED AFTER AREA51 IN >OAKLAND >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:46:04 -0700 (PDT) > >I'm not surprised. the oakland police have got to be the >biggest bunch of asshole, ego trippin cops i've ever had >the displeasure of talking too. i am sorry that you had to >but the target of their harrassment. just don't take it >personal. they hate all ravers not just you. >--- w00dy wrote: > > Well yah ok first off i got into area 51 free and it > > sucked but yah when we got out we were chillin in the > > parking lot tryin to help out some etards tog et back > > home like the nice people we are. Then the cops roll in > > and circle the lot to get people out, im chattin with > > some friends and i do a little liquod motion with my > > hands while talking and turn around to see what the cop > > is going to do. They bust out, both of them, grab my and > > slam me against the door and throw me in the back. All > > they are going is both being right up in my face yelling > > things like "You little sh*t, you think your a smart a$$ > > dancing in front of us, well think again" and as i kmeep > > saying sorry sir all they can reply is by saying "your > > not fu*king sorry you little punk" blah blah, then they > > tell em to get my id out and my wallet is stuck and they > > yell at me some moire like "you better get that fu*king > > wallet out before i get it out of your fu*king pants* and > > i give it to them adn they run up my records and well, ie > > been on probation for getitng in the back of a stolen car > > and i got sharged for autotheft and then they see that > > and start calling me a car thief and telling me "oh great > > i bet you broke into a couple cars tonight to" and "go > > steal some more cars why dont you you little felon" and > > more bs liek that. m To make a long story short, i > > suffered 2 a$$hole cops up in ym face boot camp style > > swearing at me and trying to be tuff oakland cops for a > > bout a total of 20 minutes, and what did i do wrong? I > > was dancing...... i can officially say that i was busted > > for dancing, is dancing really a crime? OAKLAND COPS SEEM > > TO THINK SO, f*ck this shit, area 51 and > > harmonyproductioas can kiss my a$$ and well, maybe i > > saved everyone in that parking lot becasue there were > > many people on drugs, dealign drugs and takign drugs and > > they haoppoened to choose me for dancing and not anyone > > else, f*ck this shit, im fed up. Thank you all for > > listening to my story and yep that was my ass that got > > pulled into the cop car int eh aprking lot after area 51 > > in oakland and thanx to all of you who worried, you all > > are the sweetest and i love u guys, PLUR! > > > > > > w0o0o0diE > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69357-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:16:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76474 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:16:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76464 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:16:27 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.24.237.252] From: "protocol 7" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:15:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 17:15:59.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[248EC700:01C1139B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr: looking for room for rent i'm looking for a room for rent in san francisco, maybe a bit beyond as long as it's near bart or caltrain (i don't drive.) i'm 21, a dj (jazzy to hard jungle, psytrance, new school breaks, idm), musican (guitarist/vocalist/electronic), skateboarder, raver (not candy but not jaded), and i'm chill and easy to get along with. i'm posting here because i really want to live with other ravers and people who appreciate music, i have a good job and will always be able to pay rent and bills on time. if you have or know something (even temporary, i'm going to end up living in a hotel if i don't find something i like long-term so pretty much anything is better than that) send me an email. thanks so much! jason djprotocol7 http://www.lastgenerationrecords.com/protocol7/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69358-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:23:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84186 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:23:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84153 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:23:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723172303.34475.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:23:03 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: Nicholas Wilson , 'n i c o' , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <9B33F86286B97345921B434B51FB233110389B@sfoexc03.eidos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( I'm sick of going to see bigs acts, paying 40$ and only > beeing able to dance > till 12 or 1 its like I paid 10$ an hour to dance. um...if this is a regular problem for you then i have an idea for you...STOP GOING! ya think! why don't you just stick to the smaller, cheaper parties? i know you may want to see the 'big acts' whoever they may be, but ask yourself "is it realy worth it?" i mean if they run the risk of getting shut down or if you are afraid you won't get your moneys worth i wouldn't think it'd be a very hard decision. but that's just my opinion. peace angela --- Nicholas Wilson wrote: > I havent posted anything on the list in a very long time, > but having > experienced the total lameness of area 51 I just had to > put in my two cents. > This has to be the worst party I have been to in a long > time. I got there at > about 8 and the place was actually pretty cool, but not > nearly big enough > for what I was expecting. The music was bumpin and I was > havin fun till > about 15 minutes into dj irene's set when the music got > shut down and I was > forced to stand there for atleast an hour. Obviously this > was due to bad > planning, the cops came as I would expect with ravers > filling the sidewalks > and hense they make us shut down. They were nice enough > to let ud go till > 12, yay. But the thing that pisses me off the most is the > fact that harmony > didnt let anyone know they lost the venue and it was > gonna get split up into > to little partys witch you could only attend one of and > thta it was ending > at two blah blah blah when they knew the venue was gone > the day before. They > could have posted and let people make other plans or > atleast know what time > to get there early in the day... I was really happy when > meat beat came on > and I was able to forget the bs and just dance for the > last hour but dammit > I'm sick of going to see bigs acts, paying 40$ and only > beeing able to dance > till 12 or 1 its like I paid 10$ an hour to dance. > anyways I wish I could > give more details but I gotta get to work before I get in > trouble.... All I > can say is I will not be attending any harmony > productions ever again and I > hope all the people involved with the planning of this > event stub there toe > on the coffie table tomorrow morning..... > > -----Original Message----- > From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:53 AM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > This is what I got confused about. They weren't letting > anyone in > obviously, did they boot people out of the party at that > moment? > > n i c o > > > Area 51 was shutdown at 12am. Meat Beat Manifesto > played the last hour of > > the night once sound was allowed to be turned back on. > It's been a long > day > > with setup at 11:00am and finishing with teardown > finally at 2am. MBM were > > awesome and the visuals that Ben from MBM had synch'd > to the music were > > *awesome!* Great people too. Raves of this nature just > seem plagued by > > constant pitfalls. I had a great time hanging out with > friends tonight and > > chilling in the visuals bunker. All in all it was a fun > night, albeit > very, > > very strange and quite the rollercoaster ride. Yeah - > Oakland PD came and > > caused the timing of the event to be shortened and as > to reasons why - I > > don't know. Hope those that made it out enjoyed it > while it lasted. For > once > > it's nice to be home after long day of setup and such. > Off to Atlanta now. > > See ya... > > > > ryan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "vix" > > To: "n i c o" ; > > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > > Wait... OPD? which party got shut down? > > > > > > > From: "n i c o" > > > > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:16:48 -0700 > > > > To: > > > > Subject: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > > > > > > > So I show up at Skills a little late (since when is > 8:30pm late for a > > rave?) > > > > to find out I can't listen to techno because all > the trance fiends are > > > > crowding Maritime. > > > > > > > > Ok, no prob. Been wanting to see Andre Morant for > a while (hello, > Jack > > > > Mackrel is the poop). And since my friends don't > stop talking about > > Dave > > > > Angel, I figure I would be in for a good night, > even without tech. > > > > > > > > OPD shuts it down right as I get in line. HURTFUL! > > > > > > > > Oh well ... *shrug* Been thinking about moving > somewhere for a better > > music > > > > scene. Now might be a good time to really consider > it. > > > > > > > > love and techno > > > > > > > > n i c o > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69359-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:24:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86481 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:24:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86461 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:24:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723172411.64087.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Fwd: WHAT???ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken. so answer me this...why would i get sent a message like this and still have my message posted? i don't get it! am i missing something or what? peace angela --- System Attendant wrote: > From: System Attendant > To: 'angela' > Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content > found and action t > aken. > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:57:00 -0700 > > Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content. > > Place = sfraves@hyperreal.org; ; > Sender = angela > Subject = Re: [sfraves] Area 51 review > Delivery Time = July 23, 2001 (Monday) 08:56:58 > Policy = Inappropriate Language > Action on this mail = Quarantine message > > Warning message from administrator: > Sender, Content filter has detected the use of > Inappropriate Language in > your e-mail. Your Mail message was not delivered to the recipient! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69360-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:26:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88691 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:26:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88681 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:26:07 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c1139c$974c9910$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:25:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C11361.C68C1830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] New Mix online and free cd's to the first 10 email responces ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C11361.C68C1830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay last night Carlos recoded a new mix..And it is up on the core-nrg = web site. http://www.core-nrg.net . So if you want to hear a fat mix = then check it out..Also to the first 10 replies I get with your address = we will send you a copy of his new cd.. Peace Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C11361.C68C1830-- From sfraves-return-69361-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:29:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93624 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:29:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93612 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:29:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723172903.20258.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:29:02 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] the weekend so, i skimmed a few of the 180 sfraves e-mails that i received over the weekend and here's my broad general reply to them all to those who wrote about being upset about the hassles of area51 but made the best of it: i love you... to those who bitched and moaned and said that harmony (and whoever else was involved) sucked: grow up, try pulling something like that off youself is this day and age; unless you are backed by a group of lawyers like a certain crew is, it's fucking hard to get permits... to those who said "what happened to our scene": nothing happened to our scene, it is still alive and well remember, area51 was not a "rave" it was a concert... to those of you who bitched and moaned, talked smack and said mean shit about people: look at your signature tag! it seems like all the messages i read where someone was seriously bashing and talking shit about somone they had some silly little "PLUR" statement in their signature tag; bashing someone, talking shit about someone does not show peace, love unity and respect ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69362-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:35:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99633 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:35:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99623 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:35:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:35:22 -0400 (EDT) From: In Soo Lee To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] meat beat manifesto playlist anyone know what their playlist was? did they have all their gear onstage? hope tino corp is gonna be playin again soon. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69363-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:40:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5747 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:40:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5735 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:40:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723174040.12826.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Myrna Yson To: Megan Long , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 review I was mainly disappointed in Harmony productions because of their lack of planning and informing their supporters on what is the real deal with the event. I can honestly say I am sick of massives and will never again attend a Harmony event. To the person who said for that girl to stop going to massives if she is sick of getting disappointed, you can not honestly say for someone to just stop going to these events. You paid your moneys worth and what they publish should happen, because after all....you did pay $40+ to go. But I do think that if you are going to complain, then don't go to those prodcuctions events. That is the only way they will promote and throw better parties, if people just stop going to their events, they will not make money...and they will be forced to throw a dope ass party to gain business again!! But I doubt this will ever happen. All in all, I did not enjoy Area 51, I will never attend a Harmony event, and I think my last massive will be Cyberfest. The scene is getting weak, I don't do drugs, and the vibe is just not there for me anymore, especially what happened with Area. Or maybe I'm just bitter, and I will be partying for the next year or so =) Who knows...that's just how I feel right now. Fuck Harmony! I'm not bitter though...haha --- Megan Long wrote: > So, I'm curious, what did everyone think about Area > 51 once they > (hopefully)got to one of the venues?? I had a good > time at Maritime but was > disappointed in a few things: the last-minute > scramble to pick up tickets > and get to a rave that ended at 2 a.m. (but started > at 4 before people could > even get their passes from Skills!); the thuggish > security crew who were > downright nasty herding people in and out; and the > no-show by Binary Finary > (I didn't just miss them, they weren't there, > right?). But I met some nice > people and thought the vibe was good, there were > nice lasers in the main > room, and the live acts (espeically Tinrib and Baby > Doc and S-J) were tight > as was Gianni in the Bassment (although he only spun > for about 1/2 hour!!). > So what's the official word on what happened with > the original venue? I > thought Greg said he'd explain after the show?? So > holler out kids about > what you thought...and if you saw me - I'm semi-tall > with curly brown hair > and was wearing baggy jeans and a bright Mossimo > pink top/sports bra! > Cheers, > Megan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69364-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:50:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18009 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:50:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17998 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:50:48 -0000 Message-ID: <002801c113a1$c0d60b40$3edb59cc@gamer> From: "Justin Meacham" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:03:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] all i want is an apology :( it has been a day and a half... i know that it couldnt possibly take harmony or anybody else associated with that party a day and a half just to post a statement saying that they are SORRY. Wouldnt that be the first thing you did? -----Original Message----- From: Myrna Yson To: Megan Long ; sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 review >I was mainly disappointed in Harmony productions >because of their lack of planning and informing their >supporters on what is the real deal with the event. I >can honestly say I am sick of massives and will never >again attend a Harmony event. To the person who said >for that girl to stop going to massives if she is sick >of getting disappointed, you can not honestly say for >someone to just stop going to these events. You paid >your moneys worth and what they publish should >happen, because after all....you did pay $40+ to go. >But I do think that if you are going to complain, then >don't go to those prodcuctions events. That is the >only way they will promote and throw better parties, >if people just stop going to their events, they will >not make money...and they will be forced to throw a >dope ass party to gain business again!! But I doubt >this will ever happen. All in all, I did not enjoy >Area 51, I will never attend a Harmony event, and I >think my last massive will be Cyberfest. The scene >is getting weak, I don't do drugs, and the vibe is >just not there for me anymore, especially what >happened with Area. Or maybe I'm just bitter, and I >will be partying for the next year or so =) Who >knows...that's just how I feel right now. Fuck >Harmony! I'm not bitter though...haha > >--- Megan Long wrote: >> So, I'm curious, what did everyone think about Area >> 51 once they >> (hopefully)got to one of the venues?? I had a good >> time at Maritime but was >> disappointed in a few things: the last-minute >> scramble to pick up tickets >> and get to a rave that ended at 2 a.m. (but started >> at 4 before people could >> even get their passes from Skills!); the thuggish >> security crew who were >> downright nasty herding people in and out; and the >> no-show by Binary Finary >> (I didn't just miss them, they weren't there, >> right?). But I met some nice >> people and thought the vibe was good, there were >> nice lasers in the main >> room, and the live acts (espeically Tinrib and Baby >> Doc and S-J) were tight >> as was Gianni in the Bassment (although he only spun >> for about 1/2 hour!!). >> So what's the official word on what happened with >> the original venue? I >> thought Greg said he'd explain after the show?? So >> holler out kids about >> what you thought...and if you saw me - I'm semi-tall >> with curly brown hair >> and was wearing baggy jeans and a bright Mossimo >> pink top/sports bra! >> Cheers, >> Megan >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69365-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:51:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19431 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:51:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19371 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:51:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.72.52.213] From: "Ben R." To: ClockworkEventz@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, nwraves@hyperreal.org, mtn-raves@hyperreal.org, nyc-raves@hyperreal.org, mo-raves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org, boston-raves@hyperreal.org, marz@egroups.com, moondance22@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:50:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 17:50:39.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC0E2DC0:01C1139F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ::: M E K K A . T O U R . S F::: Sept 1st, '01 !!! WhoA !!! Two of the SF scene's moguls, Clockwork Eventz & Spundae, unite to bring the only Labor Day Weekend event in Northern California complete with a signature top-notch line-up of mega proportion. ::: M E K K A . ELECTRONIK . MUSIK . FESTIVAL. 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X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Fwd: WHAT???ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken. So, just for everyone's benefit, I'll go over this again. Yes, you're message went through. Here's the sequence of events that occurred: 1) You send an email to sfraves 2) The sfraves mailing list software sends a copy of your message to everyone on the list. 3) Your message goes to someone who subscribed using an account that has a content filter on it. 4) The fascist content filter emails you back and tells you that you had some naughty words in your messages. Does that make sense? [angela ] > so answer me this...why would i get sent a message like > this and still have my message posted? i don't get it! am > i missing something or what? > peace > angela > --- System Attendant wrote: > > From: System Attendant > > To: 'angela' > > Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content > > found and action t > > aken. > > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:57:00 -0700 > > > > Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content. > > > > Place = sfraves@hyperreal.org; ; > > Sender = angela > > Subject = Re: [sfraves] Area 51 review > > Delivery Time = July 23, 2001 (Monday) 08:56:58 > > Policy = Inappropriate Language > > Action on this mail = Quarantine message > > > > Warning message from administrator: > > Sender, Content filter has detected the use of > > Inappropriate Language in > > your e-mail. Your Mail message was not delivered to the > recipient! > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69367-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 17:55:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26985 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 17:55:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26974 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 17:55:23 -0000 Message-ID: <009d01c113a0$91b778e0$6900000a@tendocom.org> Reply-To: "matt newell" From: "matt newell" To: "Justin Meacham" , References: <002801c113a1$c0d60b40$3edb59cc@gamer> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:54:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 17:54:50.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[91B92690:01C113A0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] all i want is an apology :( agreed, after a botch job like this -- it seems some kind of communication would be happening from the harmony camp by now. ... talk about making a mockery out of people's trust and support (oh yea, and money!). .. matt .. www.sweetillusions.org .. matt@sweetillusions.org .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Meacham" To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: [sfraves] all i want is an apology :( : it has been a day and a half... i know that it couldnt possibly take harmony : or anybody else associated with that party a day and a half just to post a : statement saying that they are SORRY. : : Wouldnt that be the first thing you did? : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69368-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:01:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35533 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:01:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35522 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:01:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723180145.37115.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:01:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jungle Bunny To: angela , Nicholas Wilson , 'n i c o' , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010723172303.34475.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( haha, you know what i think is funny, you are sitting here telling someone not to complain, and didn't you just post your little two cents, by the way ($.02) here's your change. Kinda hypocritical you think? Yeah I know that all the people on the stairs and on the floor need to blah blah blah, I agree totally. > um...if this is a regular problem for you then i > have an > idea for you...STOP GOING! ya think! If you are going to complain, then allow that right to others without giving them shit. Isn't that what this list is for anyways, peoples experiences and opinions? Thats what I thought at least. Maybe I'm wrong. But this is just my insugnificant opinion. --- angela wrote: > I'm sick of going to see bigs acts, paying 40$ and > only > > beeing able to dance > > till 12 or 1 its like I paid 10$ an hour to dance. > > um...if this is a regular problem for you then i > have an > idea for you...STOP GOING! ya think! why don't you > just > stick to the smaller, cheaper parties? i know you > may want > to see the 'big acts' whoever they may be, but ask > yourself > "is it realy worth it?" i mean if they run the risk > of > getting shut down or if you are afraid you won't get > your > moneys worth i wouldn't think it'd be a very hard > decision. > but that's just my opinion. > peace > angela > --- Nicholas Wilson wrote: > > I havent posted anything on the list in a very > long time, > > but having > > experienced the total lameness of area 51 I just > had to > > put in my two cents. > > This has to be the worst party I have been to in a > long > > time. I got there at > > about 8 and the place was actually pretty cool, > but not > > nearly big enough > > for what I was expecting. The music was bumpin and > I was > > havin fun till > > about 15 minutes into dj irene's set when the > music got > > shut down and I was > > forced to stand there for atleast an hour. > Obviously this > > was due to bad > > planning, the cops came as I would expect with > ravers > > filling the sidewalks > > and hense they make us shut down. They were nice > enough > > to let ud go till > > 12, yay. But the thing that pisses me off the most > is the > > fact that harmony > > didnt let anyone know they lost the venue and it > was > > gonna get split up into > > to little partys witch you could only attend one > of and > > thta it was ending > > at two blah blah blah when they knew the venue was > gone > > the day before. They > > could have posted and let people make other plans > or > > atleast know what time > > to get there early in the day... I was really > happy when > > meat beat came on > > and I was able to forget the bs and just dance for > the > > last hour but dammit > > I'm sick of going to see bigs acts, paying 40$ and > only > > beeing able to dance > > till 12 or 1 its like I paid 10$ an hour to dance. > > anyways I wish I could > > give more details but I gotta get to work before I > get in > > trouble.... All I > > can say is I will not be attending any harmony > > productions ever again and I > > hope all the people involved with the planning of > this > > event stub there toe > > on the coffie table tomorrow morning..... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:53 AM > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > This is what I got confused about. They weren't > letting > > anyone in > > obviously, did they boot people out of the party > at that > > moment? > > > > n i c o > > > > > Area 51 was shutdown at 12am. Meat Beat > Manifesto > > played the last hour of > > > the night once sound was allowed to be turned > back on. > > It's been a long > > day > > > with setup at 11:00am and finishing with > teardown > > finally at 2am. MBM were > > > awesome and the visuals that Ben from MBM had > synch'd > > to the music were > > > *awesome!* Great people too. Raves of this > nature just > > seem plagued by > > > constant pitfalls. I had a great time hanging > out with > > friends tonight and > > > chilling in the visuals bunker. All in all it > was a fun > > night, albeit > > very, > > > very strange and quite the rollercoaster ride. > Yeah - > > Oakland PD came and > > > caused the timing of the event to be shortened > and as > > to reasons why - I > > > don't know. Hope those that made it out enjoyed > it > > while it lasted. For > > once > > > it's nice to be home after long day of setup and > such. > > Off to Atlanta now. > > > See ya... > > > > > > ryan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "vix" > > > To: "n i c o" ; > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:02 AM > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > > > > > Wait... OPD? which party got shut down? > > > > > > > > > From: "n i c o" > > > > > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:16:48 -0700 > > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I show up at Skills a little late (since > when is > > 8:30pm late for a > > > rave?) > > > > > to find out I can't listen to techno because > all > > the trance fiends are > > > > > crowding Maritime. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, no prob. Been wanting to see Andre > Morant for > > a while (hello, > > Jack > > > > > Mackrel is the poop). And since my friends > don't > > stop talking about > > > Dave > > > > > Angel, I figure I would be in for a good > night, > > even without tech. > > > > > > > > > > OPD shuts it down right as I get in line. > HURTFUL! > > > > > > > > > > Oh well ... *shrug* Been thinking about > moving > > somewhere for a better > > > music > > > > > scene. Now might be a good time to really > consider > > it. > > > > > > > > > > love and techno > > > > > > > > > > n i c o > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > === message truncated === ===== "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - That's my Bush __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69369-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:02:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37672 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:02:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37662 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:02:22 -0000 Message-Id: <200107231801.f6NI1ma49268@napanet.net> X-Sender: acrostic@mail.napanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:00:02 -0500 To: Deepfog , sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Levi In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] **HAPPY KIDS*** REVIEW At 07:54 AM 7/16/01 -0700, you wrote: > >$40 tickets???? > >i hope for THAT price you got a velvet golf ball or something. i >remember paying $20 for rock concerts when i was a kid, then $10-$15 >for raves back in the day...really lavish parties were >$25...unfortunately lavish in the rave scene is often synonymous with >too many people... > >...how about a happy kid marty action figure? >OOOHHH!!! YOu mUST HAVE HAd funNNNNNN!!!! ;) >>Well i have to say that last nite at Legend was a bunch of fun. >>When i heard Chris C and Madam Zu were spinning i promised myself i >>wouldn't miss out--they are like two of my favortite DJ's/producers. >>I cant believe they are actually touring the U.S. thats hella cool. >>Any way i brought my friend along and it was his first party and >>when we got there at like 11:00 we weren't to thrilled about throwin >>down Oh!hhHHHH!!! gOD....FORTY DOLLARS FOR TICKEDTS DO HAPPY GIKEDDS!! yikes....hmm.. wow..sounds like a lot of money...geez...man i hope you strangled out alive fatestest than that one..jmm....fix that problem bobeseky! hM@! \='dd $40 for tickets--i guess happy kids thought more people would >>show. Raising tix to $40 really ate up all my cash--oh well i guess >>i can't complain i had fun. >>o. hm! >>When we got inside we had a kick ass time sliding around on the ice. >>But after the party started goin we were like "ok now were do we >>dance?"oohhhh!! tought creashteion buddy boy there! :) >>After fallin on our asses and doing the splits multiple times we OK, NOW HERE IS WHERE I COME IN NOW...multiple dimes?? baybee..o no...it has been more and more times than that in order to be thwown out by your own according to the self body than you have in order for yourself to be out! from thaat one...hm..so yay?! okay! >>reasoned that we were less likely to injure ourselves and freeze to >>death if we stuck to the happycore room(which was a lot warmer and >>more fun.)--->(oh yeah and it wasn't raining in there either. haha) >>OHHHH! GOOD? DIESICION!!! BABY. ;9. wayy to think. >>But after dancin to 200 bpm songs for a while i avoided a heart >>attack?????? buddy o my gawsh... i'm so glasd for you!! avoiding a kill like that would back in to the happy ocre room everybody..room er mup it up . ohkay now...the diecsicion is a good one and you all know that one so let's like let it be on that and move out of that one. ookay. epeace out . 9; and went to check out Chris C's and Madam Zu's sets. I have >>to say that they were explosive! The best NRG i have ever heard >>came out of those speakers for 2 hours! I got Chris To sign his cd >>or me and he said he might be back to the bay area before the end of >>the tour. Can't wait. That music was my favorite of the night. >>Anyway enuff dj worship... >>OH FER SHUIRE BUDDY BOY> >>Caught most of the sets i wanted to hear. Saw old friends and met >>some new ones. Nice talkin to ya John. I hope u liked my artwork. >>Anyway i'd say the nite was a success. Props to Happy kids, and >>thanks to all the beautiful people ok now you're gonna make me cry oll over my carpet..thanks anyways . shwayne whoever you are. who made the party enjoyable. >> >>Peace and lotsa love, >>Sean >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69370-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:05:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43068 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:05:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43057 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:05:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723180549.60833.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: girlcat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) TODAY protest at italian consulate re: deaths, torture in genoa there will be a demonstration/memorial at the italian consulate (broadway at webster) today starting at 4:00 pm. (it should go a while, so if you can come later please do so.) people are asked to wear black. for directions by public transit or more information, check www.indybay.org. so far there are, i believe, at least 2 confirmed deaths and multitudes of injuries, as well as police torture in the jails. below is an update. UPDATE ON GENOA FROM INDYMEDIA: Genoa, early morning 22nd July 2001 GSF media centre phone: 0039-010-3627149 Please Distribute Widely - an appeal from the activists fighting in Genoa as we speak We write from the building of GSF and Indymedia in Genoa after witnessing the worst human rights violations in the short history of the young movement against capitalist globalisation. Two people were killed by the police on the 20th, one in Genoa and one at the border, and someone else might have been killed in the most outrageous display of fascist state brutality that all of us have seen in our lives, just a few hours ago in front of this building. This night the police broke into the school Diaz (across the road), one of the accommodation places of GSF were people were sleeping at that moment, and beat up everyone to the extent that most of the people could not walk out and had to be carried in stretchers out of the school. We don't know how many people were badly injured because we lost count of the amount of stretchers carried out of the school, but they brought about 30 ambulances for the injured people. The police also brought at least one body bag outside, maybe two, but we don't know yet whether there was a corpse inside either or both of them. Everybody was either arrested or taken to hospital. According to the testimony of one person who could escape before being arrested, people were lying on the floor saying 'no violence' when the police broke into the first floor where he was, and they battered people so badly that one of the officers had to intervene to stop the massacre. In one of the pictures taken by Indymedia (http://italy.indymedia.org) you can see a plank of wood with nails covered with blood lying next to a corner with big patches of blood on the walls. The police also broke violently into the GSF and Indymedia building at the same time, but here they only destroyed and stole materials. They did not attack anyone (although in part of the building it was difficult to breathe due to the tear gas). Italian parliamentarians were also struck by policemen while they were trying to enter the school Diaz while the police was beginning to remove the injured. On the 20th and the 21st the police terrorism in the streets was unprecedented in recent Western European history. On the 20th they murdered a young protestor from Genova, who was shot once in the forehead and once in the cheek, and drove backwards over his corpse. A young french woman was killed in the Ventemiglia border on the same day, while the police was preventing her and other people from entering the country. Police attacked and teargassed all the different groups that took part in the action. For instance, they threw tear gas from helicopters into the assembly point of the pacifist march, charged against the tutte bianche and the Network for Global Rights before they even started their actions, and injured a still unknown number of people. They deliberately mixed the different sorts of political expression, trying to create conflicts (for instance by pushing part of the black block into the pacifist assembly point). On the 21st they massively attacked part of the demonstration for absolutely no reason, teargassing the whole area (including the parking lot that served as the GSF convergence centre and a nearby beach) and some people were forced to jump into the sea just to escape from them - only to find police boats facing them in the water. Both on the 20th and the 21st there were riots all day, all over the city, which were clearly provoked by the police. The forms of provocation were diverse: the television showed images of a group of people dressed in black going out of a police van and breaking windows, and the black block was visibly infiltrated throughout these days. We respectfully ask our friends from the black block to reflect on the meaning of this fact, not just for them but for everybody else. This request is not meant to imply that they should not be present in large collective actions, but merely that we encourage them to rethink their role and choices in them. One possible way would be to play a role focused on solidarity and defense of other groups, similar to the one so successfully carried out by the black block in A16. People who are taken to the hospitals are arrested immediately after receiving first aid, unless they are in an extremely bad condition. One person, a member of a nonviolent group, who was horribly beaten up while sitting on the floor with his hands up, went through that experience. In the police station he was repeatedly tortured like everyone else there. The police was hitting the already wounded areas of his body and battering him for no reason. Another person who was arrested and released says that they were beating everybody and forcing them to scream 'viva il duce', which means long live Mussolini. The police terrorism started well before the actions. The last weeks were characterised by police searches all over Italy, followed by what everybody here considers to be a reproduction of the strategy of tension used by the Italian state in the 70s to crash social movements. Letter bombs were sent (by whom?) to policemen, the police exploded a car in the centre of Genova because it was parked in the same place for several days, and they alleged in the media that bombs had been planted in several places (including one of the accommodation spaces of the GSF) - all of these in order to create an atmosphere of paranoia, fears about demonstrators and social terror. They also arrested several people before the actions, including a particularly brutal case of a young woman who was kept in isolation for four days for having a van (which they claimed would be used to break into the red zone) where she kept a hatchet for camping purposes. The people who were arrested with her report that they were also tortured physically and psychologically, including forced exposure to a succession of three posters: a pornographic one, followed by one of Mussolini and then one of the Nazi Army in action. We know that many solidarity and denounciation actions have already taken place all over the world and that many more are being planned (see http://italy.indymedia.org). We encourage all the groups that have not planned actions yet to do so, and to prepare for sustained actions to continue until those responsible for these outrageous human rights abuses pay the full price for their actions. We suggest to these groups that their minimum demand would be the resignation of the Berlusconi government. There is a list of Italian embassies at http://www.ethoseurope.org/ethos/embassies.nsf/ (go down to the link Embassies of Italy). We think that we need to turn this situation into a serious international problem for the Berlusconi and the other G8 governements, not just due to a basic sense of justice but also because we feel that the survival of the movement and of many of us might depend on it. This brutality shows the actual panic with which the rich and powerful are reacting to the clear fact that the world is beginning to listen to us. Seeing that they can no longer write us off as a marginal, temporary phenomenon, they are now removing all masks of ostensible democracy and showing their real face - one of oppression, violence and terrorism. Por todos nuestros muertos, ni un minuto de silencio. Toda una vida de lucha. To honor our dead, not a minute of silence. A whole life of struggle. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69371-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:13:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52706 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:13:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52696 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:13:07 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <009501c113a1$4359b720$271be9d1@kelly> From: "kryptyk" To: "Sfraves@Hyperreal.Org" , Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:59:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01C11366.960841C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HALFLIFE - monday night drum and bass - tonight (07.23) - IVRY, PRESHA, AYE-N ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C11366.960841C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // HALFLIFE // // MONDAY NIGHT DRUM AND BASS // an sibin=20 1176 sutter [x polk] - sf this week [07.23.2001] // COMPOUND RECORDS night with -- PRESHA -- IVRY -- AYE-N thanks to everyone for coming out last week. this week promises to be a = stomper with a visit from the nice folks at COMPOUND RECORDS. PRESHA, = IVRY and AYE-N will take over the decks for four hours of guaranteed = earth-shaking dnb. =20 start your week off at 175 bpm! 9:30-2:00//$3 cover after 10 an sibin -- 1176 sutter [x polk] - sf ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C11366.960841C0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-69372-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:15:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55161 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:15:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55150 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:15:33 -0000 Message-ID: <007501c113a3$544cf090$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:14:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix online and free cd's to the first 10 email responces Okay..thanks for all the relpys I have allready been contacted by 10 people so no more cd's this week...but you can go listen to the new cd at http://www.core-nrg.net .. those of you that sent an email will recive your cd by next week, we will probably send them out on friday. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Guerrero" To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] New Mix online and free cd's to the first 10 email responces > Adrian Guerrero > 4903 Tanglewood Lane > Stockton, CA 95207 > > > >From: "Ecko" > >To: "sf" > >CC: "f8" > >Subject: [sfraves] New Mix online and free cd's to the first 10 email > >responces > >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:25:20 -0700 > > > >Okay last night Carlos recoded a new mix..And it is up on the core-nrg web > >site. http://www.core-nrg.net . So if you want to hear a fat mix then check > >it out..Also to the first 10 replies I get with your address we will send > >you a copy of his new cd.. Peace > > > > > >Nick > >http://www.core-nrg.net > >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69373-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:16:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57346 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:16:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57336 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:16:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.192] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: davesweeten@hotmail.com, BRAINZGEAR@aol.com, SFraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:15:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 18:15:42.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C217910:01C113A3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) H-Foundation @ LimeLight this Wednesday Living in LA for a year and being blessed with having these two guys pop up everywhere is a plus! From loft parties, to mansion parties and every massive rave you could possibly imagine! These two can rip it up together. They can tease you with deep tribal, or even make you scream with just plain out deep house, with a nitch of tech. Its great to finally see these guys being able to play for an 18+ crowd. I will see you there! Peace, Aaron >From: "Dave Sweeten" >To: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com, SFraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] (bsp) H-Foundation @ LimeLight this Wednesday >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:47:37 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [24.20.31.194] >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD25139100BC40042A19D185531606C20; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:47:45 -0700 >Received: (qmail 48536 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 06:48:37 -0000 >Received: (qmail 48526 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 06:48:37 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-69342-aaronhdixon Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:49:36 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 06:47:37.0534 (UTC) >FILETIME=[5C4C85E0:01C11343] >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > >Hellz yeah! It'z all about H-Foundation! Tha intelligent DEEP shit!! > >Dave > > > >>From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, BRAINZGEAR@aol.com >>CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.com >>Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) H-Foundation @ LimeLight this Wednesday >>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:32:57 EDT >> >>BrainChild Records Tour 2001 >> >>Wednesday JULY 25, 2001 >> > >> >>Main Room: Deep House / Tech House >> >>H-FOUNDATION a.k.a. HIPP-E & HALO >>(Siesta / 20/20 Vision / Soma / NRK / Champion Sound) >>Known as Cutting edge House producers of today, The H-Foundation will >>rock the crowd until the House falls down. >> >>DAVID GARCIA SF >>(Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) >> >>JOEY MAZZOLA SF >>(Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) >> >>Second Level: Trance / UK Hard House / Breaks >>GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) >>TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) >>MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) >>DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) >> >>Front Room: Club Favorites / Progressive House >>MIKE SLIM SF (Deep Vision Records / Time warp Records) >>JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) >>FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) >>RECKLESS RYAN SF >>(BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) >> >> >>Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View >> >>Cover: $15 at the door. >>VIP PASSES : $40 >>VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in >>line >>and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in >>entry fee's >>you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! >> >>VIP passes will be sold at: >>BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 >>401 e. St. James, San Jose >>BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 >>Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara >>Skills : (510) 704-9876 >>2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 >>a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! >>18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink >> >>Tel: 1-800-561-1800 >> >>www.brainchildentertainment.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69374-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:17:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59225 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:17:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59212 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:17:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723181708.61714.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: Jungle Bunny , Nicholas Wilson , 'n i c o' , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010723180145.37115.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( yeah but the difference is i'm not bitchin about getting ripped off. if i paid to go to i parties, which i don't, and was never having a good time then i'd stop paying to go to those kind of parties. THAT's what i find funny...you people paying so damn much to go dance knowing it'll probably get all fucked up! hahaha! and i really don't think i was COMPLAINING. i was just making friendly suggestions. but anyway i'm glad you found amusement in my post. --- Jungle Bunny wrote: > haha, you know what i think is funny, you are sitting > here telling someone not to complain, and didn't you > just post your little two cents, by the way ($.02) > here's your change. Kinda hypocritical you think? Yeah > I know that all the people on the stairs and on the > floor need to blah blah blah, I agree totally. > > > um...if this is a regular problem for you then i > > have an > > idea for you...STOP GOING! ya think! > > If you are going to complain, then allow that right to > others without giving them shit. Isn't that what this > list is for anyways, peoples experiences and opinions? > Thats what I thought at least. Maybe I'm wrong. But > this is just my insugnificant opinion. > > --- angela wrote: > > I'm sick of going to see bigs acts, paying 40$ and > > only > > > beeing able to dance > > > till 12 or 1 its like I paid 10$ an hour to dance. > > > > um...if this is a regular problem for you then i > > have an > > idea for you...STOP GOING! ya think! why don't you > > just > > stick to the smaller, cheaper parties? i know you > > may want > > to see the 'big acts' whoever they may be, but ask > > yourself > > "is it realy worth it?" i mean if they run the risk > > of > > getting shut down or if you are afraid you won't get > > your > > moneys worth i wouldn't think it'd be a very hard > > decision. > > but that's just my opinion. > > peace > > angela > > --- Nicholas Wilson wrote: > > > I havent posted anything on the list in a very > > long time, > > > but having > > > experienced the total lameness of area 51 I just > > had to > > > put in my two cents. > > > This has to be the worst party I have been to in a > > long > > > time. I got there at > > > about 8 and the place was actually pretty cool, > > but not > > > nearly big enough > > > for what I was expecting. The music was bumpin and > > I was > > > havin fun till > > > about 15 minutes into dj irene's set when the > > music got > > > shut down and I was > > > forced to stand there for atleast an hour. > > Obviously this > > > was due to bad > > > planning, the cops came as I would expect with > > ravers > > > filling the sidewalks > > > and hense they make us shut down. They were nice > > enough > > > to let ud go till > > > 12, yay. But the thing that pisses me off the most > > is the > > > fact that harmony > > > didnt let anyone know they lost the venue and it > > was > > > gonna get split up into > > > to little partys witch you could only attend one > > of and > > > thta it was ending > > > at two blah blah blah when they knew the venue was > > gone > > > the day before. They > > > could have posted and let people make other plans > > or > > > atleast know what time > > > to get there early in the day... I was really > > happy when > > > meat beat came on > > > and I was able to forget the bs and just dance for > > the > > > last hour but dammit > > > I'm sick of going to see bigs acts, paying 40$ and > > only > > > beeing able to dance > > > till 12 or 1 its like I paid 10$ an hour to dance. > > > anyways I wish I could > > > give more details but I gotta get to work before I > > get in > > > trouble.... All I > > > can say is I will not be attending any harmony > > > productions ever again and I > > > hope all the people involved with the planning of > > this > > > event stub there toe > > > on the coffie table tomorrow morning..... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: n i c o [mailto:nico@bassdrop.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:53 AM > > > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > > > > This is what I got confused about. They weren't > > letting > > > anyone in > > > obviously, did they boot people out of the party > > at that > > > moment? > > > > > > n i c o > > > > > > > Area 51 was shutdown at 12am. Meat Beat > > Manifesto > > > played the last hour of > > > > the night once sound was allowed to be turned > > back on. > > > It's been a long > > > day > > > > with setup at 11:00am and finishing with > > teardown > > > finally at 2am. MBM were > > > > awesome and the visuals that Ben from MBM had > > synch'd > > > to the music were > > > > *awesome!* Great people too. Raves of this > > nature just > > > seem plagued by > > > > constant pitfalls. I had a great time hanging > > out with > > > friends tonight and > > > > chilling in the visuals bunker. All in all it > > was a fun > > > night, albeit > > > very, > > > > very strange and quite the rollercoaster ride. > > Yeah - > > > Oakland PD came and > > > > caused the timing of the event to be shortened > > and as > > > to reasons why - I > > > > don't know. Hope those that made it out enjoyed > > it > > > while it lasted. For > > > once > > > > it's nice to be home after long day of setup and > > such. > > > Off to Atlanta now. > > > > See ya... > > > > > > > > ryan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "vix" > > > > To: "n i c o" ; > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:02 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wait... OPD? which party got shut down? > > > > > > > > > > > From: "n i c o" > > > > > > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:16:48 -0700 > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: [sfraves] OUCH! Area 51. : ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I show up at Skills a little late (since > > when is > > > 8:30pm late for a > > > > rave?) > > > > > > to find out I can't listen to techno because > > all > > > the trance fiends are > > > > > > crowding Maritime. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, no prob. Been wanting to see Andre > > Morant for > > > a while (hello, > > > Jack > > > > > > Mackrel is the poop). And since my friends > > don't > > > stop talking about > > > > Dave > > > > > > Angel, I figure I would be in for a good > > night, > > > even without tech. > > > > > > > > > > > > OPD shuts it down right as I get in line. > > HURTFUL! > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh well ... *shrug* Been thinking about > > moving > > > somewhere for a better > > > > music > > > > > > scene. Now might be a good time to really > > consider > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > love and techno > > > > > > > > > > > > n i c o > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - That's > my Bush > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69375-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:24:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69000 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:24:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68988 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:24:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723182428.21677.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:24:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaemi Swope Reply-To: jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Question about Nocturnal Wonderland has anyone heard the lineup or the location of this party in LA? i would appreciate any help... jaemi ===== _____________________________ Jaemi Swope Promotions/PR Juice Recordings jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com www.gotjuice.com Cell: 703-623-0481 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69376-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:30:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75641 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:30:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75622 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:30:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723183036.63358.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010723182428.21677.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question about Nocturnal Wonderland i don't think they've released that info yet but i know they're trying to get the indio polo fields. but this is just info heard through the grapevine and you know how reliable that can be! but no matter who's there or where it's at i'll be down there for sure! peace angela --- Jaemi Swope wrote: > has anyone heard the lineup or the location of this > party in LA? i would appreciate any help... > > jaemi > > ===== > _____________________________ > Jaemi Swope > Promotions/PR > Juice Recordings > jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com > www.gotjuice.com > Cell: 703-623-0481 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69377-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:43:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91265 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:43:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91254 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:43:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723184302.61300.qmail@web12501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:43:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jest-One To: SFRaves Mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1379574751-995913782=:57832" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eminen @ A "Rave"? a few more thoughts --0-1379574751-995913782=:57832 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thats such bullsh*t that hip-hoppers get stereo-typed and judged from "ravers". Such closed-mind-ness. As i recall, all the early 90's parties had B-Boys, Hip-Hoppers, "ravers", lots more unique & ethnic people, rock/punk heads, and all walks of life. The community likes to think were soo open minded and accepting to other people when were worse than the rest of them. We lie and say we are, but cover up the fact that were not. Bullsh*t! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1379574751-995913782=:57832-- From sfraves-return-69378-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:54:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1896 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:54:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1885 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:54:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "angela" , , References: <20010723183036.63358.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:54:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 18:54:12.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCD0F600:01C113A8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question about Nocturnal Wonderland Check www.NocturnalWonderland.com for all info that has been released... as more information is released, the website WILL be updated... Hope that helps, Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "angela" To: ; Sent: July 23, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question about Nocturnal Wonderland > i don't think they've released that info yet but i know > they're trying to get the indio polo fields. but this is > just info heard through the grapevine and you know how > reliable that can be! but no matter who's there or where > it's at i'll be down there for sure! > peace > angela > --- Jaemi Swope wrote: > > has anyone heard the lineup or the location of this > > party in LA? i would appreciate any help... > > > > jaemi > > > > ===== > > _____________________________ > > Jaemi Swope > > Promotions/PR > > Juice Recordings > > jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com > > www.gotjuice.com > > Cell: 703-623-0481 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > > Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69379-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 18:55:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3231 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 18:55:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3221 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:55:14 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.24.237.252] From: "protocol 7" To: orbfun1@yahoo.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:54:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 18:54:46.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[F10E1530:01C113A8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: [sfdnb] who went to saturdays rebirth party? i went.. and i had alot of fun. not quite what i was expecting when i showed up (i was expecting a rave, not so much the club/fashion scene, but that's cool i'm down for whatever) i was there with my friend jessica (short girl with bright red hair) and we mostly sat on the couch thingy in the back of the dnb room. i ran into a few of my friends -- simon, luke, brian, ... -- unfortunately i got knocked out in a green haze early in the night and didn't have the energy to dance :( the only things that kinda annoyed me was the flyer didn't say 21+ which required some social engineering at the door (in combination with low light and an out of state drivers license.) also there was a girl who got wayy too messed up on something and started dancing in just her underwear.. so my friend went and got her friends to let them know, but her friends acted like we were the ones with the problem for even bringing it up so she kept dancing. now im totally down for people to do whatever they want but that just reminded me that there's a reason i don't participate in the club scene here :) other than those two pretty minor things the music there was soooooo dope.. very interesting in the state of mind i was at. both the house and dnb rooms were off the hook. i wish i had made it up to the ambient room upstairs to check it out, but i just couldn't tear myself away from the energy downstairs. djprotocol7 http://www.lastgenerationrecords.com/protocol7/ >From: dylan yanez >To: sfdnb@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [sfdnb] who went to saturdays rebirth party? >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:24:32 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.115.96.69] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD25B72700B1400431A3D87360458CE1418; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:34:34 >-0700 >Received: from [10.1.4.52] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2001 >18:32:13 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 23 Jul 2001 18:32:10 -0000 >Received: (qmail 90775 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 18:24:32 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Jul >2001 18:24:32 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO web11106.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.153) by >mta2 with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 18:24:32 -0000 >Received: from [192.246.108.36] by web11106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, >23 Jul 2001 11:24:32 PDT >>From sentto-3149907-454-995913132-djprotocol7 Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:35:27 >-0700 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-3149907-454-995913132-djprotocol7=hotmail.com@returns.onelist.com >X-Sender: orbfun1@yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: sfdnb@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: <20010723182432.45844.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> >Mailing-List: list sfdnb@yahoogroups.com; contact >sfdnb-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list sfdnb@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: > > >hello all >hope everybody is having a good day? > >did anyone on this list go to the rebirth party in the >mission saturday night ? how did you like it if you >did go ? > >thanks dylan > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69380-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:11:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17517 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:11:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17498 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:11:37 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c11475$a34ac500$fbd0fea9@foothill.net> From: "`black-locust'" To: "Mail List (us-junglist)" , "Mail List (dnb arena)" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:12:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C11439.F86A6C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] COVERSION drums + bass \ sacramento \ 07.24.2001 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C11439.F86A6C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable our thanks out to dj reason and the mighty mighty ufo! for last week's venture into the mind, and out onto the dancefloor. this tuesday inside COVERSION, 07.24.2001 a `black-locust' operation in alliance with circa footwear coming all the way from los angeles and san francisco, respectfully,=20 .COM of jungle voodoo recordings and dj IVRY, compound records=20 and 'es footwear, will smash the place all up in turn! don't miss it,=20 as these cats both bring the technique unique,=20 and the style's all with it! same as we do every week.. dancefloor ill'in, back patio chillin' drums n' bass! COVERSION \ drums + bass every tuesday inside the rage 1890 arden way, sacramento 10pm - 2am \ 18^ \ f. bar 21+ dollar drink specials all night! www.c1rcapresents.com www.circafootwear.com ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C11439.F86A6C20-- From sfraves-return-69381-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:13:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20673 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:13:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20624 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:13:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.34.12] From: "Chris V" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, dcraves@hyperreal.org, mtn-raves@hyperreal.org, nyc-raves@hyperreal.org, mw-raves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:12:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 19:12:32.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CCA57E0:01C113AB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Promo Release v1.1 Hello all... I'm a DJ from the SF Bay Area, and I'm trying to get my sound out. I spin a variety of UK HardHouse/NRG, and I was wondering if anyone would like a promo CD to check out. Some of the artists in the mix: K-Oma, Andy Farley, BK, Organ Donors, Stevie K & Ryze, Pranksterz, Choci, McBain vs Mendoza. Just send me an email with your mailing address and I'll get one out to you. If you know of any other sites or local promoters that might be interested, let me know. Thanks! -=Chris=- baronvonvarady@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69382-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:25:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34962 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:25:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34952 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:25:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:24:48 EDT From: Okealoha@aol.com To: , , , Cc: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <116.208a872.288dd401@aol.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Electric Jello Review. Careful Jacob this one is long yes yes yes i agree jello was pretty fun. Nothing better than that Double stacked :S: ya know =P lol . . . hmmmm.. it was nice to come up to the bay for the weekend and see the love of my life. i pretty much just chilled the entire party cause i didnt really feel like dancing much. I had a good time and i'm so happy that thngs always turn out okay. Nice seeing some people i missed. After that party we just went out to the beach and chilled with a fire and stayed till the sun came up. lol. it was such a fun night. and.. yeah.. it just was. Jaime i was so happy to see ya Larry, serg, Angelo and the crew, Carlos and Elvira you are both so cute, brian, and anon (spelling?) thanks for rescuing Nik and i. you know everyone else i met from SJ it was a fun night, thanks for that. its exactly what i needed. Nikole thanks for everything. *muah* 143. So yes yes an end to my email. la dee da dee da. Have a wonderful day everyone. cocoa. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69383-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:36:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43658 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:36:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43648 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:36:27 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.123.58.123] From: "... ! ..." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:35:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 19:35:58.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2BD6B40:01C113AE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Video Prod. I'm spec-ing a digital video production system. Any knowledge you could drop on Semi-professional cameras, Macintosh Capture Cards, or VTRs would be delicious. (Product comparisons, equipment durability, etc.) Specially for all those kids playing around with their school's equipment. Thanks! - Q _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69384-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:36:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45682 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:36:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45639 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:36:52 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c113af$2242eb20$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: , "ravers" , "fresnoravers" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:39:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C11374.7344B020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C11374.7344B020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends, Party People and the Bay Area Scene, If your old skool or new skool, you know that having a party that = goes all night is quite rare now a days. Even now the SFLNC is fighting = to not only protect our rights, but also to erase the damage the = authorities have done to our scene. I urge you to support their = activities if you truly care. Here is a brief explanation of the events that transpired prior to = AREA 51. A week ago, when final permits where being authored, we found out = that another event had just been permitted inside AREA 51's main = location, Pier 35. That event was being sponsored by a very respectable = group of promoters known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our = knowledge, to be a benefit for their Burning Man expedition in August. = This happened because they had rented a small portion of the pier that = is subleased from the main portion and is, in a way, antonymous. We = could not hold our event around theirs. We could not permit a location = that was already permitted for another function. We had lost our = location. We were forced to move our location to Pier 45 and cram 3 = months of permitting, into a 4 day period.=20 We had consent from every level in the SF govt. The decision came = down to a local organization known as The Fisherman's Wharf Tenants = Association. They are an organization of local businesses in the wharf = that approve any activities there, including but not limited to, special = events. I guess it is written in their charter that the decision must be = unanimous. Everyone on the board must approve for the event to occur. = Over a dozen people on the tenants association signed their consent. It = came down to one more signature and the police would grant the permits. = There was just one problem, nobody knew where that man was. After = desperately attempting to locate this gentleman all day on Friday, we = were informed that he was currently on a plane to Italy. Go figure. Well = at 4:30pm on Friday, the city goes home for the weekend. That includes = the workers at the permit office. In essence, no permit would get = pushed through. Several people from SFLNC were very helpful during this = stressful situation. Even going as far as personally lobbying city hall = on friday for a waiver. No deal, we needed a cold hard signature for the = police to ok the event, period. Around this point we considered the possibility of postponing the = event. However, we would have lost much of the talent we were looking = forward to seeing and we still were without any permanent solutions. = What date, where, can we get the permits? After serious thought we shut = down online tickets and prepared to contact the presale stores to close = the ticket sales off. The decision was made to make this party happen = for the artists and the people who purchased presale tickets. We secured = our venues around 2am Saturday. In order to accommodate all 4000 presale = ticket holders and ticket winners, we needed a space with a higher = capacity than Maritime Hall, which can hold 2500 people without the Fire = marshall getting his panties in a bind. In order to do this, a ballroom = was also acquired in Oakland that would allow all of our ticket holders = to attend. This hasn't been the first time an event has been divided into = several locations. Several events in SF history have had to split. More = recently, Freak Night in Seattle had to split into 4 separate locations = in order for their ticket holders and artists to play. It isn't = something that you intend to do or even want to do, but sometimes you = don't have much of a choice. You have to make it happen. The event in SF was limited to 2am, because of previous problems = with rave type parties, Maritime Hall has had their permits altered by = SFPD. In San Francisco, you must be 21 or older to go out past 2am. This = questionable law, written in the 60's, is the reason for most of the = problems in the SF scene. It is actively being enforced on Maritime = Hall. The event in Oakland was to go to 2am as well. The establishment has = their permits in order and we are unsure the police had the right to = stop the event at midnight. Oakland has similar late-night laws on the = books, but this event should have gone till 2am. From the looks on most peoples faces, everyone had a good time. = Whether you were caught in the pandemonium in front of Skills on = Telegraph, or mad doggin' Dave Angel and S.U.N. Project in the middle of = a crowded jumping dance floor, there was plenty of good people to = experience with. All of the out of town acts arrived and most were able = to play. If you happened to be one of many who were disappointed, your not = alone. We share your disappointment. We worked over a year for this = event to come together. This event has also cost us many thousands of = dollars. Money that we must return to the people who entrusted us with = investment capital. We will have a long recovery. On behalf of everyone that organized Area 51, I apologize for any = bad vibes we have caused. We truly meant well. Sometimes things cannot = be helped and you have to just do your best. We did do our best and = request your eventual forgiveness and a second chance. If you don't = support another AREA 51 party then we understand. Hopefully, we can move = forward and put this behind us, trying only to remember the good things = that happened last night. We love you all and truly hope that you understand that this was not our = intention. =20 AREA 51 P.S. If you still hold a ticket to AREA 51 that was purchased at a = presale location, we request your support by holding on to it. = Arrangements will be made to grant you access to another event of = similar caliber. We can't promise a full refund as we have gone into = serious debt. Please trust that we wont blow you off and will do = something good for you. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C11374.7344B020-- From sfraves-return-69385-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:42:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50275 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:42:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50257 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:42:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723194201.62204.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-222776600-995917321=:62000" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] rebirth/maritime/space ship --0-222776600-995917321=:62000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If there is a guy on this list that remembers having a conversation with a random girl at Rebirth a couple years ago, on the way up to the top room, please get back to me. The conversation was concerning dogs, space ships, and our pretty pieces. (I have info. on the space ship) Jessica We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-222776600-995917321=:62000-- From sfraves-return-69386-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:46:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56203 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:46:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56162 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:46:15 -0000 Message-ID: <00cb01c113b0$2b9c25f0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "Greg Sandler" , , "ravers" , "fresnoravers" References: <001f01c113af$2242eb20$1101000a@litterbox> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:46:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation Greg..what about the people that paid to see the three other three rooms of dj's and were forced to go to Oakland? I think you should make it up to everyone that had to miss out on all the good acts and got stuck in Oakland. Remember man these patrons paid 42 dollars to see ALL of the dj's on your flyer not just 1/4 of the dj's.. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Sandler" To: ; "ravers" ; "fresnoravers" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation Dear Friends, Party People and the Bay Area Scene, If your old skool or new skool, you know that having a party that goes all night is quite rare now a days. Even now the SFLNC is fighting to not only protect our rights, but also to erase the damage the authorities have done to our scene. I urge you to support their activities if you truly care. Here is a brief explanation of the events that transpired prior to AREA 51. A week ago, when final permits where being authored, we found out that another event had just been permitted inside AREA 51's main location, Pier 35. That event was being sponsored by a very respectable group of promoters known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our knowledge, to be a benefit for their Burning Man expedition in August. This happened because they had rented a small portion of the pier that is subleased from the main portion and is, in a way, antonymous. We could not hold our event around theirs. We could not permit a location that was already permitted for another function. We had lost our location. We were forced to move our location to Pier 45 and cram 3 months of permitting, into a 4 day period. We had consent from every level in the SF govt. The decision came down to a local organization known as The Fisherman's Wharf Tenants Association. They are an organization of local businesses in the wharf that approve any activities there, including but not limited to, special events. I guess it is written in their charter that the decision must be unanimous. Everyone on the board must approve for the event to occur. Over a dozen people on the tenants association signed their consent. It came down to one more signature and the police would grant the permits. There was just one problem, nobody knew where that man was. After desperately attempting to locate this gentleman all day on Friday, we were informed that he was currently on a plane to Italy. Go figure. Well at 4:30pm on Friday, the city goes home for the weekend. That includes the workers at the permit office. In essence, no permit would get pushed through. Several people from SFLNC were very helpful during this stressful situation. Even going as far as personally lobbying city hall on friday for a waiver. No deal, we needed a cold hard signature for the police to ok the event, period. Around this point we considered the possibility of postponing the event. However, we would have lost much of the talent we were looking forward to seeing and we still were without any permanent solutions. What date, where, can we get the permits? After serious thought we shut down online tickets and prepared to contact the presale stores to close the ticket sales off. The decision was made to make this party happen for the artists and the people who purchased presale tickets. We secured our venues around 2am Saturday. In order to accommodate all 4000 presale ticket holders and ticket winners, we needed a space with a higher capacity than Maritime Hall, which can hold 2500 people without the Fire marshall getting his panties in a bind. In order to do this, a ballroom was also acquired in Oakland that would allow all of our ticket holders to attend. This hasn't been the first time an event has been divided into several locations. Several events in SF history have had to split. More recently, Freak Night in Seattle had to split into 4 separate locations in order for their ticket holders and artists to play. It isn't something that you intend to do or even want to do, but sometimes you don't have much of a choice. You have to make it happen. The event in SF was limited to 2am, because of previous problems with rave type parties, Maritime Hall has had their permits altered by SFPD. In San Francisco, you must be 21 or older to go out past 2am. This questionable law, written in the 60's, is the reason for most of the problems in the SF scene. It is actively being enforced on Maritime Hall. The event in Oakland was to go to 2am as well. The establishment has their permits in order and we are unsure the police had the right to stop the event at midnight. Oakland has similar late-night laws on the books, but this event should have gone till 2am. From the looks on most peoples faces, everyone had a good time. Whether you were caught in the pandemonium in front of Skills on Telegraph, or mad doggin' Dave Angel and S.U.N. Project in the middle of a crowded jumping dance floor, there was plenty of good people to experience with. All of the out of town acts arrived and most were able to play. If you happened to be one of many who were disappointed, your not alone. We share your disappointment. We worked over a year for this event to come together. This event has also cost us many thousands of dollars. Money that we must return to the people who entrusted us with investment capital. We will have a long recovery. On behalf of everyone that organized Area 51, I apologize for any bad vibes we have caused. We truly meant well. Sometimes things cannot be helped and you have to just do your best. We did do our best and request your eventual forgiveness and a second chance. If you don't support another AREA 51 party then we understand. Hopefully, we can move forward and put this behind us, trying only to remember the good things that happened last night. We love you all and truly hope that you understand that this was not our intention. AREA 51 P.S. If you still hold a ticket to AREA 51 that was purchased at a presale location, we request your support by holding on to it. Arrangements will be made to grant you access to another event of similar caliber. We can't promise a full refund as we have gone into serious debt. Please trust that we wont blow you off and will do something good for you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69387-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:46:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57779 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:46:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57747 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:46:37 -0000 Message-ID: <011d01c113af$7d7d9030$3702000a@netcorps.com> From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:41:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Fw: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation For those of you who might be interested. - jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Sandler" To: ; "ravers" ; "fresnoravers" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation Dear Friends, Party People and the Bay Area Scene, If your old skool or new skool, you know that having a party that goes all night is quite rare now a days. Even now the SFLNC is fighting to not only protect our rights, but also to erase the damage the authorities have done to our scene. I urge you to support their activities if you truly care. Here is a brief explanation of the events that transpired prior to AREA 51. A week ago, when final permits where being authored, we found out that another event had just been permitted inside AREA 51's main location, Pier 35. That event was being sponsored by a very respectable group of promoters known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our knowledge, to be a benefit for their Burning Man expedition in August. This happened because they had rented a small portion of the pier that is subleased from the main portion and is, in a way, antonymous. We could not hold our event around theirs. We could not permit a location that was already permitted for another function. We had lost our location. We were forced to move our location to Pier 45 and cram 3 months of permitting, into a 4 day period. We had consent from every level in the SF govt. The decision came down to a local organization known as The Fisherman's Wharf Tenants Association. They are an organization of local businesses in the wharf that approve any activities there, including but not limited to, special events. I guess it is written in their charter that the decision must be unanimous. Everyone on the board must approve for the event to occur. Over a dozen people on the tenants association signed their consent. It came down to one more signature and the police would grant the permits. There was just one problem, nobody knew where that man was. After desperately attempting to locate this gentleman all day on Friday, we were informed that he was currently on a plane to Italy. Go figure. Well at 4:30pm on Friday, the city goes home for the weekend. That includes the workers at the permit office. In essence, no permit would get pushed through. Several people from SFLNC were very helpful during this stressful situation. Even going as far as personally lobbying city hall on friday for a waiver. No deal, we needed a cold hard signature for the police to ok the event, period. Around this point we considered the possibility of postponing the event. However, we would have lost much of the talent we were looking forward to seeing and we still were without any permanent solutions. What date, where, can we get the permits? After serious thought we shut down online tickets and prepared to contact the presale stores to close the ticket sales off. The decision was made to make this party happen for the artists and the people who purchased presale tickets. We secured our venues around 2am Saturday. In order to accommodate all 4000 presale ticket holders and ticket winners, we needed a space with a higher capacity than Maritime Hall, which can hold 2500 people without the Fire marshall getting his panties in a bind. In order to do this, a ballroom was also acquired in Oakland that would allow all of our ticket holders to attend. This hasn't been the first time an event has been divided into several locations. Several events in SF history have had to split. More recently, Freak Night in Seattle had to split into 4 separate locations in order for their ticket holders and artists to play. It isn't something that you intend to do or even want to do, but sometimes you don't have much of a choice. You have to make it happen. The event in SF was limited to 2am, because of previous problems with rave type parties, Maritime Hall has had their permits altered by SFPD. In San Francisco, you must be 21 or older to go out past 2am. This questionable law, written in the 60's, is the reason for most of the problems in the SF scene. It is actively being enforced on Maritime Hall. The event in Oakland was to go to 2am as well. The establishment has their permits in order and we are unsure the police had the right to stop the event at midnight. Oakland has similar late-night laws on the books, but this event should have gone till 2am. From the looks on most peoples faces, everyone had a good time. Whether you were caught in the pandemonium in front of Skills on Telegraph, or mad doggin' Dave Angel and S.U.N. Project in the middle of a crowded jumping dance floor, there was plenty of good people to experience with. All of the out of town acts arrived and most were able to play. If you happened to be one of many who were disappointed, your not alone. We share your disappointment. We worked over a year for this event to come together. This event has also cost us many thousands of dollars. Money that we must return to the people who entrusted us with investment capital. We will have a long recovery. On behalf of everyone that organized Area 51, I apologize for any bad vibes we have caused. We truly meant well. Sometimes things cannot be helped and you have to just do your best. We did do our best and request your eventual forgiveness and a second chance. If you don't support another AREA 51 party then we understand. Hopefully, we can move forward and put this behind us, trying only to remember the good things that happened last night. We love you all and truly hope that you understand that this was not our intention. AREA 51 P.S. If you still hold a ticket to AREA 51 that was purchased at a presale location, we request your support by holding on to it. Arrangements will be made to grant you access to another event of similar caliber. We can't promise a full refund as we have gone into serious debt. Please trust that we wont blow you off and will do something good for you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69388-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:47:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60051 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:47:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60037 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:47:19 -0000 From: MoonChyld1@aol.com Message-ID: <2d.ec9e847.288dd942@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:47:14 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2d.ec9e847.288dd942_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] monday thoughts... --part1_2d.ec9e847.288dd942_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, so please excuse the rambling quality of this post, but i am recovering from the flu from hell, and cold medicine makes me spacy... so on the whole area 51 thing: i'm sorry that so many people got screwed in the process of this event... and i'm glad i stuck to my not spending more than $20 for a rave ticket rule... i think that harmony and inner eye should speak up and explain the whole situation... i'd be interested to hear what their excuse was... and why they didn't give people the opportunity to go to both events last saturday, i would think the least they could do was just make up a wrist band or something for each person to carry/wear, and allow them to attend both parties, and offer shuttles between the two... but i had nothing to do with this production, so i don't know their motives... regardless, it kinda reminds me that this scene is very cyclic.... although i wasn't part of the scene in the early 90s i have gone back and read the sfr archives from that time, (i recommend this to those of you with free time on your hands, there is some interesting insights into things, and funny enough there are a lot of posts that we wouldn't be surprised to see now) and it seems that all the drama that we've seen in the last year or so with the massive scene and the whole media craze is strikingly similar to the drama of back then... i'm sure the SFR old-schoolers can enlighten us all on that, but from what i remeber reading, it was a lot of the same.... cf7yr was great... the beach was not hard to find, it wasn't too cold (maybe because i was wearing many layers of clothes, a lesson i leaarned from last years cf) and it was a good chance to just hang out with friends.... pehaps it was because i had just started to get sick earlier that day, but i was pretty tired and passed out in a sleeping bag around 4-5... but when i woke up i could finally see peoples faces as the sky started to grow lighter... i do wish i could have gone out to breakfast after, but by that time i was totally sick and i had to be at work in 5 hours.... so we took off back for the city, and it was so nice that it was only a 45 minute drive! as for all the drama with the raid in st louis, and the threats to our own scene her in SF, i wanted to kinda remind everyone that these kind of things are why its improtant for us to unite as a collective group and fight for our rights... i went to an SFLNC meeting last week, and i was amazed by the fact that even though i am still under 21, there is a lot that i can do to help. and as you may have noticed, although the main public focus is on the club scene, the SFLNC is out there at the raves too... and as you might know by the number of active SFLNC members on SFR, this is a very raver friendly group.... one of the simplist things that we can do to support the SFLNC is subscribe to their announcement list. as it was explained at the meeting, just subscribing makes you a member, and the mere size of the list can pull weight in the political realm of SF. so even if you don't have the time or skills to vollunteer, just take a few minutes to go to the website and sign up for the list... it is a low traffic list, so you don't need to worry about a lot of mail either (rarely more than 2 emails a week)... but the more people that we get to sign up, the more power that the SFLNC has in negotiating with politicians... plus there are lots of cool people at the meetings if you do show up! love and hugs and kisses, tina --part1_2d.ec9e847.288dd942_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69389-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:52:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65452 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:52:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65439 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:52:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723195214.35044.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: "Macadio G." , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] •BSP• ALL NEW>>www.resourcerecords.com V3.0 is up! --- "Macadio G." wrote: > Ok now quick question where is the Jump recordings > Page?? Comming Soon!!! cj ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69390-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:59:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75856 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:59:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75816 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:58:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: ascend@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:58:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 19:58:31.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8C4CD80:01C113B1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation > A week ago, when final permits where being authored, we found out >that another event had just been permitted inside AREA 51's main location, >Pier 35. That event was being sponsored by a very respectable group of >promoters known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our knowledge, to be a >benefit for their Burning Man expedition in August. i've held my tongue until now. however, this "explanation" is utterly pathetic. you sold thousands of tickets, at over $40 per person, WITHOUT FINAL PERMITTING? everyone who bought a ticket to this sad excuse for an organized event should have their money refunded, whether or not they were able to attend one of the half-assed partial events they were relegated to despite paying for the full event. and to try to blame your utter incompetence and cupidity on the Burning Man community, a segment of which is actually *capable* of obtaining permits in a competent manner (as you and your outfit, quite obviously, are not)? words fail me...and people who know me know how unusual *that* is. how utterly arrogant, incompetent, and laughable. --hb and the moral of the story is: never trust a promoter with a big mouth who comes on SFR answering reasonable questions about their operation and/or the concept of "massives" with arrogance and hostility, as Mr. 51 (or, more accurately, Mr. 26/25) did before the event. live and learn...and support the underground. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69391-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 19:59:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78773 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 19:59:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78763 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 19:59:50 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:59:40 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010723195941.MKTO7038.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] monday thoughts... thank you so much tina -- for coming to the meeting last week, and for posting this to sfr -- so yes please folks check out the website at http://www.sflnc.com or http://www.dancingisnotacrime.com -- or you can just send an email to sflnc-subscribe@topica.com and you'll get on the list as well. again, it's announcement only, and we limit it to just a couple of very pertinent posts a week with info you might not get from elsewhere it really is critical that we ALL work together to create and empower the voice of the dance underground -- we are a powerful and magical global subculture with so much to offer, and we must work to protect our lifestyle from being sabotoged by misinformation and misunderstanding. love, leslie >as for all the drama with the raid in st louis, and the threats to our own >scene her in SF, i wanted to kinda remind everyone that these kind of things >are why its improtant for us to unite as a collective group and fight for our >rights... i went to an SFLNC meeting last week, and i was amazed by the fact >that even though i am still under 21, there is a lot that i can do to help. >and as you may have noticed, although the main public focus is on the club >scene, the SFLNC is out there at the raves too... and as you might know by >the number of active SFLNC members on SFR, this is a very raver friendly >group.... one of the simplist things that we can do to support the SFLNC is >subscribe to their announcement list. as it was explained at the meeting, >just subscribing makes you a member, and the mere size of the list can pull >weight in the political realm of SF. so even if you don't have the time or >skills to vollunteer, just take a few minutes to go to the website and sign >up for the list... it is a low traffic list, so you don't need to worry about >a lot of mail either (rarely more than 2 emails a week)... but the more >people that we get to sign up, the more power that the SFLNC has in >negotiating with politicians... plus there are lots of cool people at the >meetings if you do show up! > >love and hugs and kisses, >tina > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69392-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:01:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81302 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:01:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81273 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:01:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723200107.15787.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: Ecko , Greg Sandler , sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravers , fresnoravers In-Reply-To: <00cb01c113b0$2b9c25f0$280110ac@nick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation --- Ecko wrote: > Greg..what about the people that paid to see the > three other three rooms of > dj's and were forced to go to Oakland? I think you > should make it up to > everyone that had to miss out on all the good acts > and got stuck in Oakland. > Remember man these patrons paid 42 dollars to see > ALL of the dj's on your > flyer not just 1/4 of the dj's.. > Nick When was the last time you saw ALL 90 Dj's at a massive? Or anybody for that matter...shit, lets be realistic, you'd be lucky if you saw 1/4 of the Dj's...at what, 10 minutes a piece?? If you think you are going to get every act thats on that life size poster, then you are just plain naive. cj ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69393-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:02:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83561 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:02:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83541 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:02:50 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5C836D.24394856@home.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:05:03 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: osby@ratkoonrat.net CC: The_List References: <20010723052957.7AFA036F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =) Cloudfactory was an awesome party for sure... I got there just as the cre= w was getting there around 12 so we helped them carry stuff down and then= directed people who were confused by the directions which weren't very c= lear. Got to meet Scott Nelson and some of the other CF peeps which was c= ool:) 7 years.. wow.. I felt special just being there. I was dissapointe= d that I didn't get to actually hang out on the beach more and had to lea= ve so early so that I could get home by 6 and then sleep a little before = Area 51. Saw a lot of friends and confused Tina who didn't know who the = hell was hugging her. Went on a beach adventure with Ryan, Miki, Jason, = and Marshall to find sparkling sand. I was really only there for less t= hen 2 hours though... I was just happy I got to go at all and it wasn't = all the way up in Big Sur. I finally made it out to an outdoor party this= summer which fills some kind of void I was feeling for this summer. Once again, wow! Lydia Osby wrote: > Wow....So Damn Dope!! I mean, OK, so yeah, it was a Mondo Trek to get = 2 the spot! Totally!! I mean, I was already having a semi-day of Hell &= I dunno! But the company of Jeff & My Darlin' Nic made it a CooL trip!!= I Love those 2 kids! But, yeah, it took klonger than a hop, skip, & a = jump to get there, but we made it!! Yay! > > 1st person I bump in2 there is Elizabeth Sy & gave her a hug! = Yay! Then followed the trail! Then I bump into Andy W & Migurski! LoL.= =2E.bumping into Andy @ this point kinda led to a bizzare evening of me a= sking him questions about anything which he did come up w/ Totally Awesom= e Answers but the sand crab answer really pissed me of 'cause it was a re= ally good answer (Hell Yeah Andy...we're gonna go Hardcore Homie)!! LoL!= Wow, everyone was there!! Saw the Eden Ent crew there & that was sick!= ! It's Dope getting to know Adam a lil' better now!! There was a point = where Ira, Becca, Nicola, & I went wandering down the beach which was tot= ally fun! Did bonding time w/ Erik, Karen, & Ari & crew!! Totally bonde= d w/ this lil' chica Regina! She was Awesome! Had a Bad Ass time hangin= g out w/ Veronica (the TP Monitor) & had fun taking her on an O=A7BY misi= on! Hmmm, I wonder if the mision was ever completed?!? Alida, Tina, & P= atrice were Dope to hang out w/!!! Alida was all Cute > & red! Gosh man, so many people there!! Oh man, gotta hang w/ my Boy = Sol, but we didn't get to Groove together like we usually do! Well, it w= as hard dancing on the sand kinda! Finally hung out w/ Jeramy after hell= a daze! Oh yeah, I was kickin' in a lil' Group when I hear my name calle= d in front of me & it was Ryan w/ his vid cam! Hello2Day! Finally saw H= L after hella daze!! > > The music was Sick! I spent alota time hangin' w/ Migurski by = the speaker listening to the old skool Trance set! BUt oh man, what tota= lly got me Bumpin on the sand was the Breakbeats!!! Hello 2Day! So Sick= !! I mean, I was diggin' the House, Trance, Electro, & all the Good Stuf= f, but oh man, it was all about Breakbeats for me! > > This was a Dope party! Oh my gosh, had so much fun!!! The mo= st Awesome part was when the break of day was comin' up & things were sta= rtin' to get brighter!! Yeah, I do have to admit, a highlight of the nig= ht/early morning was when Andy & what's her name (I totally keep forgeti= ng her name) decided to run in the water! Hello 2Day! BUt man, Groovy v= ibes all around!! Everyone was So Awesome!! My gosh, I still afterglowi= ng! Dooooope Asss shindig! > > =3D=3D > Later {8O) > Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O=A7BY > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69394-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:07:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89211 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:07:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89201 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723200708.37272.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: DJ Howlin' Bob , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation > i've held my tongue until now. however, this > "explanation" is utterly > pathetic. you sold thousands of tickets, at over > $40 per person, WITHOUT > FINAL PERMITTING? Pretty thorough, eh! Funny that the burning man folks did though.. everyone who bought a ticket to > this sad excuse for an > organized event should have their money refunded, > whether or not they were > able to attend one of the half-assed partial events > they were relegated to > despite paying for the full event. Yes, indeed they should!!! ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69395-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:08:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91154 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:08:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91131 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:08:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:08:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 20:08:05.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F10FA00:01C113B3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation >If you think you >are going to get every act thats on that life size >poster, then you are just plain naive. translation: it's all right for promoters to engage in false advertising and take people's money for a product which they do not intend to provide. in the real world, that's called "consumer fraud." perhaps if everyone holding a ticket stub for Area 51--or the next massive which will, inevitably, under-deliver--filed a class-action lawsuit against the promoter, perhaps we'd have fewer rip-off massives...or, at least, fewer rip-off promoters (which IMO would be just as good). --hb what's so difficult about the concept of delivering what you promised the person who paid you? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69396-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:08:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92213 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:08:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92160 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:08:46 -0000 Message-ID: <9B33F86286B97345921B434B51FB233110389E@sfoexc03.eidos.com> From: Nicholas Wilson To: "'Jeremy Bispo'" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:05:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C113B2.DFB74180" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C113B2.DFB74180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well maybe next time, The location should be secured before people like me go and give you 500,000$ to put in your pocket. I cant believe you didnt go through the final stages of permits before you hyped this party to the whole country. Anyways I know everyone is pretty pissed at the situation including a few of the acts that played. An apologie is the least we should get....I'm not trying to be a little whiner but you think the venue would be the first thing to take care of. -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Bispo [mailto:mercutio@cloudfactory.org] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:42 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Fw: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation For those of you who might be interested. - jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Sandler" To: ; "ravers" ; "fresnoravers" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation Dear Friends, Party People and the Bay Area Scene, If your old skool or new skool, you know that having a party that goes all night is quite rare now a days. Even now the SFLNC is fighting to not only protect our rights, but also to erase the damage the authorities have done to our scene. I urge you to support their activities if you truly care. Here is a brief explanation of the events that transpired prior to AREA 51. A week ago, when final permits where being authored, we found out that another event had just been permitted inside AREA 51's main location, Pier 35. That event was being sponsored by a very respectable group of promoters known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our knowledge, to be a benefit for their Burning Man expedition in August. This happened because they had rented a small portion of the pier that is subleased from the main portion and is, in a way, antonymous. We could not hold our event around theirs. We could not permit a location that was already permitted for another function. We had lost our location. We were forced to move our location to Pier 45 and cram 3 months of permitting, into a 4 day period. We had consent from every level in the SF govt. The decision came down to a local organization known as The Fisherman's Wharf Tenants Association. They are an organization of local businesses in the wharf that approve any activities there, including but not limited to, special events. I guess it is written in their charter that the decision must be unanimous. Everyone on the board must approve for the event to occur. Over a dozen people on the tenants association signed their consent. It came down to one more signature and the police would grant the permits. There was just one problem, nobody knew where that man was. After desperately attempting to locate this gentleman all day on Friday, we were informed that he was currently on a plane to Italy. Go figure. Well at 4:30pm on Friday, the city goes home for the weekend. That includes the workers at the permit office. In essence, no permit would get pushed through. Several people from SFLNC were very helpful during this stressful situation. Even going as far as personally lobbying city hall on friday for a waiver. No deal, we needed a cold hard signature for the police to ok the event, period. Around this point we considered the possibility of postponing the event. However, we would have lost much of the talent we were looking forward to seeing and we still were without any permanent solutions. What date, where, can we get the permits? After serious thought we shut down online tickets and prepared to contact the presale stores to close the ticket sales off. The decision was made to make this party happen for the artists and the people who purchased presale tickets. We secured our venues around 2am Saturday. In order to accommodate all 4000 presale ticket holders and ticket winners, we needed a space with a higher capacity than Maritime Hall, which can hold 2500 people without the Fire marshall getting his panties in a bind. In order to do this, a ballroom was also acquired in Oakland that would allow all of our ticket holders to attend. This hasn't been the first time an event has been divided into several locations. Several events in SF history have had to split. More recently, Freak Night in Seattle had to split into 4 separate locations in order for their ticket holders and artists to play. It isn't something that you intend to do or even want to do, but sometimes you don't have much of a choice. You have to make it happen. The event in SF was limited to 2am, because of previous problems with rave type parties, Maritime Hall has had their permits altered by SFPD. In San Francisco, you must be 21 or older to go out past 2am. This questionable law, written in the 60's, is the reason for most of the problems in the SF scene. It is actively being enforced on Maritime Hall. The event in Oakland was to go to 2am as well. The establishment has their permits in order and we are unsure the police had the right to stop the event at midnight. Oakland has similar late-night laws on the books, but this event should have gone till 2am. From the looks on most peoples faces, everyone had a good time. Whether you were caught in the pandemonium in front of Skills on Telegraph, or mad doggin' Dave Angel and S.U.N. Project in the middle of a crowded jumping dance floor, there was plenty of good people to experience with. All of the out of town acts arrived and most were able to play. If you happened to be one of many who were disappointed, your not alone. We share your disappointment. We worked over a year for this event to come together. This event has also cost us many thousands of dollars. Money that we must return to the people who entrusted us with investment capital. We will have a long recovery. On behalf of everyone that organized Area 51, I apologize for any bad vibes we have caused. We truly meant well. Sometimes things cannot be helped and you have to just do your best. We did do our best and request your eventual forgiveness and a second chance. If you don't support another AREA 51 party then we understand. Hopefully, we can move forward and put this behind us, trying only to remember the good things that happened last night. We love you all and truly hope that you understand that this was not our intention. AREA 51 P.S. If you still hold a ticket to AREA 51 that was purchased at a presale location, we request your support by holding on to it. Arrangements will be made to grant you access to another event of similar caliber. We can't promise a full refund as we have gone into serious debt. Please trust that we wont blow you off and will do something good for you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C113B2.DFB74180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation

Well maybe next time,  The location should be = secured before people like me go and give you 500,000$ to put in your = pocket. I cant believe you didnt go through the final stages of permits = before you hyped this party to the whole country. Anyways I know = everyone is pretty pissed at the situation including a few of the acts = that played. An apologie is the least we should get....I'm not trying = to be a little whiner but you think the venue would be the first thing = to take care of.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Bispo [mailto:mercutio@cloudfactory.o= rg]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:42 PM
To: sfraves@hyperreal.org
Subject: Fw: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF = Happened....Explanation


For those of you who might be interested.

- jeremy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Sandler" = <ascend@ix.netcom.com>
To: <sfraves@hyperreal.org>; = "ravers" <sacraves@hyperreal.org>;
"fresnoravers" = <fresnoraves@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF = Happened....Explanation


Dear Friends, Party People and the Bay Area = Scene,

     If your old skool or new = skool, you know that having a party that goes
all night is quite rare now a days. Even now the = SFLNC is fighting to not
only protect our rights, but also to erase the = damage the authorities have
done to our scene. I urge you to support their = activities if you truly care.

     Here is a brief explanation = of the events that transpired prior to AREA
51.

     A week ago, when final = permits where being authored, we found out that
another event had just been permitted inside AREA = 51's main location, Pier
35. That event was being sponsored by a very = respectable group of promoters
known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our = knowledge, to be a benefit for
their Burning Man expedition in August. This = happened because they had
rented a small portion of the pier that is subleased = from the main portion
and is, in a way, antonymous. We could not hold our = event around theirs. We
could not permit a location that was already = permitted for another function.
We had lost our location. We were forced to move our = location to Pier 45 and
cram 3 months of permitting, into a 4 day = period.
     We had consent from every = level in the SF govt. The decision came down
to a local organization known as The Fisherman's = Wharf Tenants Association.
They are an organization of local businesses in the = wharf that approve any
activities there, including but not limited to, = special events. I guess it
is written in their charter that the decision must = be unanimous. Everyone on
the board must approve for the event to occur. Over = a dozen people on the
tenants association signed their consent. It came = down to one more signature
and the police would grant the permits. There was = just one problem, nobody
knew where that man was. After desperately = attempting to locate this
gentleman all day on Friday, we were informed that = he was currently on a
plane to Italy. Go figure. Well at 4:30pm on Friday, = the city goes home for
the weekend. That includes the workers at the permit = office.  In essence, no
permit would get pushed through. Several people from = SFLNC were very helpful
during this stressful situation. Even going as far = as personally lobbying
city hall on friday for a waiver. No deal, we needed = a cold hard signature
for the police to ok the event, period.
     Around this point we = considered the possibility of postponing the
event. However, we would have lost much of the = talent we were looking
forward to seeing and we still were without any = permanent solutions. What
date, where, can we get the permits? After serious = thought we shut down
online tickets and prepared to contact the presale = stores to close the
ticket sales off. The decision was made to make this = party happen for the
artists and the people who purchased presale = tickets. We secured our venues
around 2am Saturday. In order to accommodate all = 4000 presale ticket holders
and ticket winners, we needed a space with a higher = capacity than Maritime
Hall, which can hold 2500 people without the Fire = marshall getting his
panties in a bind. In order to do this, a ballroom = was also acquired in
Oakland that would allow all of our ticket holders = to attend.
     This hasn't been the first = time an event has been divided into several
locations. Several events in SF history have had to = split. More recently,
Freak Night in Seattle had to split into 4 separate = locations in order for
their ticket holders and artists to play. It isn't = something that you intend
to do or even want to do, but sometimes you don't = have much of a choice. You
have to make it happen.
    The event in SF was limited to = 2am, because of previous problems with
rave type parties, Maritime Hall has had their = permits altered by SFPD. In
San Francisco, you must be 21 or older to go out = past 2am. This questionable
law, written in the 60's, is the reason for most of = the problems in the SF
scene. It is actively being enforced on Maritime = Hall.
    The event in Oakland was to go to = 2am as well. The establishment has
their permits in order and we are unsure the police = had the right to stop
the event at midnight. Oakland has similar = late-night laws on the books, but
this event should have gone till 2am.
     From the looks on most = peoples faces, everyone had a good time. Whether
you were caught in the pandemonium in front of = Skills on Telegraph, or mad
doggin' Dave Angel and S.U.N. Project in the middle = of a crowded jumping
dance floor, there was plenty of good people to = experience with. All of the
out of town acts arrived and most were able to = play.
     If you happened to be one = of many who were disappointed, your not
alone. We share your disappointment. We worked over = a year for this event to
come together. This event has also cost us many = thousands of dollars. Money
that we must return to the people who entrusted us = with investment capital.
We will have a long recovery.
    On behalf of everyone that = organized Area 51, I apologize for any bad
vibes we have caused. We truly meant well. Sometimes = things cannot be helped
and you have to just do your best. We did do our = best and request your
eventual forgiveness and a second chance. If you = don't support another AREA
51 party then we understand. Hopefully, we can move = forward and put this
behind us, trying only to remember the good things = that happened last night.

We love you all and truly hope that you understand = that this was not our
intention.

AREA 51

P.S. If you still hold a ticket to AREA 51 that was = purchased at a presale
location, we request your support by holding on to = it. Arrangements will be
made to grant you access to another event of similar = caliber. We can't
promise a full refund as we have gone into serious = debt. Please trust that
we wont blow you off and will do something good for = you.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C113B2.DFB74180-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- From sfraves-return-69397-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:09:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94511 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:09:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94493 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:09:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.154] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ecko37@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:08:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 20:08:50.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[49DFEC10:01C113B3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation Good point here. Hell I lived in Los Angeles where all of the massives have a good line up such as area 51. It was IMPOSSIBLE to see every main act there. There was no way in hell I was able to see all of the dj's i wanted to see and even if i did, i was only able to stand around and watch 10-20 minutes of each set. It seems like all nick is trying to do here is bitch and complain. The greatest thing though is.....The way he called them "patrons". HA! I love it!! Peace, Aaron >From: Switch >To: Ecko , Greg Sandler , >sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravers , fresnoravers > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:01:07 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD25CD8E002F400431D5D18553160B7F0; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:01:18 -0700 >Received: (qmail 81302 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:01:12 -0000 >Received: (qmail 81273 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:01:11 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-69392-aaronhdixon Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:02:07 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: <20010723200107.15787.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> >In-Reply-To: <00cb01c113b0$2b9c25f0$280110ac@nick> >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >--- Ecko wrote: > > Greg..what about the people that paid to see the > > three other three rooms of > > dj's and were forced to go to Oakland? I think you > > should make it up to > > everyone that had to miss out on all the good acts > > and got stuck in Oakland. > > Remember man these patrons paid 42 dollars to see > > ALL of the dj's on your > > flyer not just 1/4 of the dj's.. > > Nick > > >When was the last time you saw ALL 90 Dj's at a >massive? Or anybody for that matter...shit, lets be >realistic, you'd be lucky if you saw 1/4 of the >Dj's...at what, 10 minutes a piece?? If you think you >are going to get every act thats on that life size >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > >cj > >===== >Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > >http://www.resourcerecords.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69398-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:11:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96635 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:11:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96624 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:11:26 -0000 Message-ID: <9B33F86286B97345921B434B51FB233110389F@sfoexc03.eidos.com> From: Nicholas Wilson To: "'Jeremy Bispo'" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:08:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C113B3.3A9F59C0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C113B3.3A9F59C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry bout the last message, I didnt read the apology yet. Thanks for that, but I stick by my opinion about the venue bs... You will here no more from me on the subject. -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Bispo [mailto:mercutio@cloudfactory.org] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:42 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Fw: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation For those of you who might be interested. - jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Sandler" To: ; "ravers" ; "fresnoravers" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation Dear Friends, Party People and the Bay Area Scene, If your old skool or new skool, you know that having a party that goes all night is quite rare now a days. Even now the SFLNC is fighting to not only protect our rights, but also to erase the damage the authorities have done to our scene. I urge you to support their activities if you truly care. Here is a brief explanation of the events that transpired prior to AREA 51. A week ago, when final permits where being authored, we found out that another event had just been permitted inside AREA 51's main location, Pier 35. That event was being sponsored by a very respectable group of promoters known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our knowledge, to be a benefit for their Burning Man expedition in August. This happened because they had rented a small portion of the pier that is subleased from the main portion and is, in a way, antonymous. We could not hold our event around theirs. We could not permit a location that was already permitted for another function. We had lost our location. We were forced to move our location to Pier 45 and cram 3 months of permitting, into a 4 day period. We had consent from every level in the SF govt. The decision came down to a local organization known as The Fisherman's Wharf Tenants Association. They are an organization of local businesses in the wharf that approve any activities there, including but not limited to, special events. I guess it is written in their charter that the decision must be unanimous. Everyone on the board must approve for the event to occur. Over a dozen people on the tenants association signed their consent. It came down to one more signature and the police would grant the permits. There was just one problem, nobody knew where that man was. After desperately attempting to locate this gentleman all day on Friday, we were informed that he was currently on a plane to Italy. Go figure. Well at 4:30pm on Friday, the city goes home for the weekend. That includes the workers at the permit office. In essence, no permit would get pushed through. Several people from SFLNC were very helpful during this stressful situation. Even going as far as personally lobbying city hall on friday for a waiver. No deal, we needed a cold hard signature for the police to ok the event, period. Around this point we considered the possibility of postponing the event. However, we would have lost much of the talent we were looking forward to seeing and we still were without any permanent solutions. What date, where, can we get the permits? After serious thought we shut down online tickets and prepared to contact the presale stores to close the ticket sales off. The decision was made to make this party happen for the artists and the people who purchased presale tickets. We secured our venues around 2am Saturday. In order to accommodate all 4000 presale ticket holders and ticket winners, we needed a space with a higher capacity than Maritime Hall, which can hold 2500 people without the Fire marshall getting his panties in a bind. In order to do this, a ballroom was also acquired in Oakland that would allow all of our ticket holders to attend. This hasn't been the first time an event has been divided into several locations. Several events in SF history have had to split. More recently, Freak Night in Seattle had to split into 4 separate locations in order for their ticket holders and artists to play. It isn't something that you intend to do or even want to do, but sometimes you don't have much of a choice. You have to make it happen. The event in SF was limited to 2am, because of previous problems with rave type parties, Maritime Hall has had their permits altered by SFPD. In San Francisco, you must be 21 or older to go out past 2am. This questionable law, written in the 60's, is the reason for most of the problems in the SF scene. It is actively being enforced on Maritime Hall. The event in Oakland was to go to 2am as well. The establishment has their permits in order and we are unsure the police had the right to stop the event at midnight. Oakland has similar late-night laws on the books, but this event should have gone till 2am. From the looks on most peoples faces, everyone had a good time. Whether you were caught in the pandemonium in front of Skills on Telegraph, or mad doggin' Dave Angel and S.U.N. Project in the middle of a crowded jumping dance floor, there was plenty of good people to experience with. All of the out of town acts arrived and most were able to play. If you happened to be one of many who were disappointed, your not alone. We share your disappointment. We worked over a year for this event to come together. This event has also cost us many thousands of dollars. Money that we must return to the people who entrusted us with investment capital. We will have a long recovery. On behalf of everyone that organized Area 51, I apologize for any bad vibes we have caused. We truly meant well. Sometimes things cannot be helped and you have to just do your best. We did do our best and request your eventual forgiveness and a second chance. If you don't support another AREA 51 party then we understand. Hopefully, we can move forward and put this behind us, trying only to remember the good things that happened last night. We love you all and truly hope that you understand that this was not our intention. AREA 51 P.S. If you still hold a ticket to AREA 51 that was purchased at a presale location, we request your support by holding on to it. Arrangements will be made to grant you access to another event of similar caliber. We can't promise a full refund as we have gone into serious debt. Please trust that we wont blow you off and will do something good for you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C113B3.3A9F59C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation

Sorry bout the last message, I didnt read the apology = yet. Thanks for that, but I stick by my opinion about the venue bs... = You will here no more from me on the subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Bispo [mailto:mercutio@cloudfactory.o= rg]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:42 PM
To: sfraves@hyperreal.org
Subject: Fw: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF = Happened....Explanation


For those of you who might be interested.

- jeremy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Sandler" = <ascend@ix.netcom.com>
To: <sfraves@hyperreal.org>; = "ravers" <sacraves@hyperreal.org>;
"fresnoravers" = <fresnoraves@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF = Happened....Explanation


Dear Friends, Party People and the Bay Area = Scene,

     If your old skool or new = skool, you know that having a party that goes
all night is quite rare now a days. Even now the = SFLNC is fighting to not
only protect our rights, but also to erase the = damage the authorities have
done to our scene. I urge you to support their = activities if you truly care.

     Here is a brief explanation = of the events that transpired prior to AREA
51.

     A week ago, when final = permits where being authored, we found out that
another event had just been permitted inside AREA = 51's main location, Pier
35. That event was being sponsored by a very = respectable group of promoters
known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our = knowledge, to be a benefit for
their Burning Man expedition in August. This = happened because they had
rented a small portion of the pier that is subleased = from the main portion
and is, in a way, antonymous. We could not hold our = event around theirs. We
could not permit a location that was already = permitted for another function.
We had lost our location. We were forced to move our = location to Pier 45 and
cram 3 months of permitting, into a 4 day = period.
     We had consent from every = level in the SF govt. The decision came down
to a local organization known as The Fisherman's = Wharf Tenants Association.
They are an organization of local businesses in the = wharf that approve any
activities there, including but not limited to, = special events. I guess it
is written in their charter that the decision must = be unanimous. Everyone on
the board must approve for the event to occur. Over = a dozen people on the
tenants association signed their consent. It came = down to one more signature
and the police would grant the permits. There was = just one problem, nobody
knew where that man was. After desperately = attempting to locate this
gentleman all day on Friday, we were informed that = he was currently on a
plane to Italy. Go figure. Well at 4:30pm on Friday, = the city goes home for
the weekend. That includes the workers at the permit = office.  In essence, no
permit would get pushed through. Several people from = SFLNC were very helpful
during this stressful situation. Even going as far = as personally lobbying
city hall on friday for a waiver. No deal, we needed = a cold hard signature
for the police to ok the event, period.
     Around this point we = considered the possibility of postponing the
event. However, we would have lost much of the = talent we were looking
forward to seeing and we still were without any = permanent solutions. What
date, where, can we get the permits? After serious = thought we shut down
online tickets and prepared to contact the presale = stores to close the
ticket sales off. The decision was made to make this = party happen for the
artists and the people who purchased presale = tickets. We secured our venues
around 2am Saturday. In order to accommodate all = 4000 presale ticket holders
and ticket winners, we needed a space with a higher = capacity than Maritime
Hall, which can hold 2500 people without the Fire = marshall getting his
panties in a bind. In order to do this, a ballroom = was also acquired in
Oakland that would allow all of our ticket holders = to attend.
     This hasn't been the first = time an event has been divided into several
locations. Several events in SF history have had to = split. More recently,
Freak Night in Seattle had to split into 4 separate = locations in order for
their ticket holders and artists to play. It isn't = something that you intend
to do or even want to do, but sometimes you don't = have much of a choice. You
have to make it happen.
    The event in SF was limited to = 2am, because of previous problems with
rave type parties, Maritime Hall has had their = permits altered by SFPD. In
San Francisco, you must be 21 or older to go out = past 2am. This questionable
law, written in the 60's, is the reason for most of = the problems in the SF
scene. It is actively being enforced on Maritime = Hall.
    The event in Oakland was to go to = 2am as well. The establishment has
their permits in order and we are unsure the police = had the right to stop
the event at midnight. Oakland has similar = late-night laws on the books, but
this event should have gone till 2am.
     From the looks on most = peoples faces, everyone had a good time. Whether
you were caught in the pandemonium in front of = Skills on Telegraph, or mad
doggin' Dave Angel and S.U.N. Project in the middle = of a crowded jumping
dance floor, there was plenty of good people to = experience with. All of the
out of town acts arrived and most were able to = play.
     If you happened to be one = of many who were disappointed, your not
alone. We share your disappointment. We worked over = a year for this event to
come together. This event has also cost us many = thousands of dollars. Money
that we must return to the people who entrusted us = with investment capital.
We will have a long recovery.
    On behalf of everyone that = organized Area 51, I apologize for any bad
vibes we have caused. We truly meant well. Sometimes = things cannot be helped
and you have to just do your best. We did do our = best and request your
eventual forgiveness and a second chance. If you = don't support another AREA
51 party then we understand. Hopefully, we can move = forward and put this
behind us, trying only to remember the good things = that happened last night.

We love you all and truly hope that you understand = that this was not our
intention.

AREA 51

P.S. If you still hold a ticket to AREA 51 that was = purchased at a presale
location, we request your support by holding on to = it. Arrangements will be
made to grant you access to another event of similar = caliber. We can't
promise a full refund as we have gone into serious = debt. Please trust that
we wont blow you off and will do something good for = you.



---------------------------------------------------------------= ------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: = sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C113B3.3A9F59C0-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- From sfraves-return-69399-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:12:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98154 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:12:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98144 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:12:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: ecko37@pacbell.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:12:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 20:12:11.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1A60040:01C113B3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation Give the man a Break.....Let him recoop for a while. This was a big blow to him and his crew spiritually and financially. Put yourself in his shoes and maybe you'll realize he doesn't need any pestering right now. Greg seems like a good guy w/good intentions. I'm sure he'll make it up somehow. >Greg..what about the people that paid to see the three other three rooms >of >dj's and were forced to go to Oakland? I think you should make it up to >everyone that had to miss out on all the good acts and got stuck in >Oakland. >Remember man these patrons paid 42 dollars to see ALL of the dj's on your >flyer not just 1/4 of the dj's.. >Nick >http://www.core-nrg.net >http://www.unityvibetribe.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Greg Sandler" >To: ; "ravers" ; >"fresnoravers" >Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:39 PM >Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation > > >Dear Friends, Party People and the Bay Area Scene, > > If your old skool or new skool, you know that having a party that >goes >all night is quite rare now a days. Even now the SFLNC is fighting to not >only protect our rights, but also to erase the damage the authorities have >done to our scene. I urge you to support their activities if you truly >care. > > Here is a brief explanation of the events that transpired prior to >AREA >51. > > A week ago, when final permits where being authored, we found out >that >another event had just been permitted inside AREA 51's main location, Pier >35. That event was being sponsored by a very respectable group of promoters >known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our knowledge, to be a benefit for >their Burning Man expedition in August. This happened because they had >rented a small portion of the pier that is subleased from the main portion >and is, in a way, antonymous. We could not hold our event around theirs. We >could not permit a location that was already permitted for another >function. >We had lost our location. We were forced to move our location to Pier 45 >and >cram 3 months of permitting, into a 4 day period. > We had consent from every level in the SF govt. The decision came >down >to a local organization known as The Fisherman's Wharf Tenants Association. >They are an organization of local businesses in the wharf that approve any >activities there, including but not limited to, special events. I guess it >is written in their charter that the decision must be unanimous. Everyone >on >the board must approve for the event to occur. Over a dozen people on the >tenants association signed their consent. It came down to one more >signature >and the police would grant the permits. There was just one problem, nobody >knew where that man was. After desperately attempting to locate this >gentleman all day on Friday, we were informed that he was currently on a >plane to Italy. Go figure. Well at 4:30pm on Friday, the city goes home for >the weekend. That includes the workers at the permit office. In essence, >no >permit would get pushed through. Several people from SFLNC were very >helpful >during this stressful situation. Even going as far as personally lobbying >city hall on friday for a waiver. No deal, we needed a cold hard signature >for the police to ok the event, period. > Around this point we considered the possibility of postponing the >event. However, we would have lost much of the talent we were looking >forward to seeing and we still were without any permanent solutions. What >date, where, can we get the permits? After serious thought we shut down >online tickets and prepared to contact the presale stores to close the >ticket sales off. The decision was made to make this party happen for the >artists and the people who purchased presale tickets. We secured our venues >around 2am Saturday. In order to accommodate all 4000 presale ticket >holders >and ticket winners, we needed a space with a higher capacity than Maritime >Hall, which can hold 2500 people without the Fire marshall getting his >panties in a bind. In order to do this, a ballroom was also acquired in >Oakland that would allow all of our ticket holders to attend. > This hasn't been the first time an event has been divided into >several >locations. Several events in SF history have had to split. More recently, >Freak Night in Seattle had to split into 4 separate locations in order for >their ticket holders and artists to play. It isn't something that you >intend >to do or even want to do, but sometimes you don't have much of a choice. >You >have to make it happen. > The event in SF was limited to 2am, because of previous problems with >rave type parties, Maritime Hall has had their permits altered by SFPD. In >San Francisco, you must be 21 or older to go out past 2am. This >questionable >law, written in the 60's, is the reason for most of the problems in the SF >scene. It is actively being enforced on Maritime Hall. > The event in Oakland was to go to 2am as well. The establishment has >their permits in order and we are unsure the police had the right to stop >the event at midnight. Oakland has similar late-night laws on the books, >but >this event should have gone till 2am. > From the looks on most peoples faces, everyone had a good time. >Whether >you were caught in the pandemonium in front of Skills on Telegraph, or mad >doggin' Dave Angel and S.U.N. Project in the middle of a crowded jumping >dance floor, there was plenty of good people to experience with. All of the >out of town acts arrived and most were able to play. > If you happened to be one of many who were disappointed, your not >alone. We share your disappointment. We worked over a year for this event >to >come together. This event has also cost us many thousands of dollars. Money >that we must return to the people who entrusted us with investment capital. >We will have a long recovery. > On behalf of everyone that organized Area 51, I apologize for any bad >vibes we have caused. We truly meant well. Sometimes things cannot be >helped >and you have to just do your best. We did do our best and request your >eventual forgiveness and a second chance. If you don't support another AREA >51 party then we understand. Hopefully, we can move forward and put this >behind us, trying only to remember the good things that happened last >night. > >We love you all and truly hope that you understand that this was not our >intention. > >AREA 51 > >P.S. If you still hold a ticket to AREA 51 that was purchased at a presale >location, we request your support by holding on to it. Arrangements will be >made to grant you access to another event of similar caliber. We can't >promise a full refund as we have gone into serious debt. Please trust that >we wont blow you off and will do something good for you. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69400-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:12:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98376 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:12:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98326 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:12:42 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B5C8596.3B67451F@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:14:14 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] area 51 DJ clarification... can someone please let me know about this.. did frankie bones make it to maritime?? did john selway make it? i am pretty sure neither was there but am also a bit confused from reading previous posts... thankyou, nima --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69401-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:18:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4729 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:17:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4719 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:17:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723201755.77769.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:17:55 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: Nicholas Wilson , 'Jeremy Bispo' , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <9B33F86286B97345921B434B51FB233110389E@sfoexc03.eidos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation hey man...you took the word right outta my mouth! i really couldn't agree with you more! peace angela --- Nicholas Wilson wrote: > Well maybe next time, The location should be secured > before people like me > go and give you 500,000$ to put in your pocket. I cant > believe you didnt go > through the final stages of permits before you hyped this > party to the whole > country. Anyways I know everyone is pretty pissed at the > situation including > a few of the acts that played. An apologie is the least > we should get....I'm > not trying to be a little whiner but you think the venue > would be the first > thing to take care of. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Bispo [mailto:mercutio@cloudfactory.org] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:42 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Fw: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF > Happened....Explanation > > > For those of you who might be interested. > > - jeremy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Sandler" > To: ; "ravers" > ; > "fresnoravers" > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:39 PM > Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation > > > Dear Friends, Party People and the Bay Area Scene, > > If your old skool or new skool, you know that having > a party that goes > all night is quite rare now a days. Even now the SFLNC is > fighting to not > only protect our rights, but also to erase the damage the > authorities have > done to our scene. I urge you to support their activities > if you truly care. > > Here is a brief explanation of the events that > transpired prior to AREA > 51. > > A week ago, when final permits where being authored, > we found out that > another event had just been permitted inside AREA 51's > main location, Pier > 35. That event was being sponsored by a very respectable > group of promoters > known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our knowledge, > to be a benefit for > their Burning Man expedition in August. This happened > because they had > rented a small portion of the pier that is subleased from > the main portion > and is, in a way, antonymous. We could not hold our event > around theirs. We > could not permit a location that was already permitted > for another function. > We had lost our location. We were forced to move our > location to Pier 45 and > cram 3 months of permitting, into a 4 day period. > We had consent from every level in the SF govt. The > decision came down > to a local organization known as The Fisherman's Wharf > Tenants Association. > They are an organization of local businesses in the wharf > that approve any > activities there, including but not limited to, special > events. I guess it > is written in their charter that the decision must be > unanimous. Everyone on > the board must approve for the event to occur. Over a > dozen people on the > tenants association signed their consent. It came down to > one more signature > and the police would grant the permits. There was just > one problem, nobody > knew where that man was. After desperately attempting to > locate this > gentleman all day on Friday, we were informed that he was > currently on a > plane to Italy. Go figure. Well at 4:30pm on Friday, the > city goes home for > the weekend. That includes the workers at the permit > office. In essence, no > permit would get pushed through. Several people from > SFLNC were very helpful > during this stressful situation. Even going as far as > personally lobbying > city hall on friday for a waiver. No deal, we needed a > cold hard signature > for the police to ok the event, period. > Around this point we considered the possibility of > postponing the > event. However, we would have lost much of the talent we > were looking > forward to seeing and we still were without any permanent > solutions. What > date, where, can we get the permits? After serious > thought we shut down > online tickets and prepared to contact the presale stores > to close the > ticket sales off. The decision was made to make this > party happen for the > artists and the people who purchased presale tickets. We > secured our venues > around 2am Saturday. In order to accommodate all 4000 > presale ticket holders > and ticket winners, we needed a space with a higher > capacity than Maritime > Hall, which can hold 2500 people without the Fire > marshall getting his > panties in a bind. In order to do this, a ballroom was > also acquired in > Oakland that would allow all of our ticket holders to > attend. > This hasn't been the first time an event has been > divided into several > locations. Several events in SF history have had to > split. More recently, > Freak Night in Seattle had to split into 4 separate > locations in order for > their ticket holders and artists to play. It isn't > something that you intend > to do or even want to do, but sometimes you don't have > much of a choice. You > have to make it happen. > The event in SF was limited to 2am, because of > previous problems with > rave type parties, Maritime Hall has had their permits > altered by SFPD. In > San Francisco, you must be 21 or older to go out past > 2am. This questionable > law, written in the 60's, is the reason for most of the > problems in the SF > scene. It is actively being enforced on Maritime Hall. > The event in Oakland was to go to 2am as well. The > establishment has > their permits in order and we are unsure the police had > the right to stop > the event at midnight. Oakland has similar late-night > laws on the books, but > this event should have gone till 2am. > From the looks on most peoples faces, everyone had a > good time. Whether > you were caught in the pandemonium in front of Skills on > Telegraph, or mad > doggin' Dave Angel and S.U.N. Project in the middle of a > crowded jumping > dance floor, there was plenty of good people to > experience with. All of the > out of town acts arrived and most were able to play. > If you happened to be one of many who were > disappointed, your not > alone. We share your disappointment. We worked over a > year for this event to > come together. This event has also cost us many thousands > of dollars. Money > that we must return to the people who entrusted us with > investment capital. > We will have a long recovery. > On behalf of everyone that organized Area 51, I > apologize for any bad > vibes we have caused. We truly meant well. Sometimes > things cannot be helped > and you have to just do your best. We did do our best and > request your > eventual forgiveness and a second chance. If you don't > support another AREA > 51 party then we understand. Hopefully, we can move > forward and put this > behind us, trying only to remember the good things that > happened last night. > > We love you all and truly hope that you understand that > this was not our > intention. > > AREA 51 > > P.S. If you still hold a ticket to AREA 51 that was > purchased at a presale > location, we request your support by holding on to it. > Arrangements will be > made to grant you access to another event of similar > caliber. We can't > promise a full refund as we have gone into serious debt. > Please trust that > we wont blow you off and will do something good for you. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69402-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:23:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11145 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:23:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11107 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:23:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723202321.33531.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:23:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Jahsh , "Phillip A. Rzewski" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1581587916-995919801=:31638" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? --0-1581587916-995919801=:31638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Although I didn't go, I think you should be alittle more open to >>dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass is one of the most stagnet >>music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet if people complain anytime >>somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. Your prolly correct that >>it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to sit back and grab another >>drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other room and come back when the >>music returns to something you are more happy with. I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, can't we all just get over the "boom cha"? I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really made sense until now. I love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced it, but the clean, danceable sounds many may be used to originated from sounds that weren't so dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing how much the genre has evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, and how everybody has their own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing but props to those that decide to change the "rules" and add creativity to a somewhat anthem like setting. ~longlivejungletechnah~ Jess Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski wrote: > Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to > be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from > others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set > did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because > they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are > sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or > whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes > during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore > intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I > can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on > there. I'm bummed that I didn't make it out now that I know SS was able to throw down in the last hour. Props to dMarie and folks for prolly saving his night and showing him San fran has some real people that actuallly have their heart were it should be. peace, jahsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1581587916-995919801=:31638-- From sfraves-return-69403-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:24:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12765 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:23:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12747 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:23:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723202354.20277.qmail@web10408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:23:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: DJ Howlin' Bob , sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation --- DJ Howlin' Bob wrote: > >If you think you > >are going to get every act thats on that life size > >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > translation: it's all right for promoters to engage > in false advertising and > take people's money for a product which they do not > intend to provide. in > the real world, that's called "consumer fraud." > Thats not what I meant there dude. It's not alright for ANYBODY to engage in false advertising! Do YOU think you could see ALL the Dj's on that line-up?? I am in NOOOO way defending Area 51's actions...I just think it a little silly to think that you could possibly see everybody you payed $40 for... translation: Don't get your panties in a Howling wad. cj ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69405-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 20:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38850 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 20:51:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38838 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 20:51:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: resourcerecords@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:50:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 20:50:52.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[28F61D20:01C113B9] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation >Thats not what I meant there dude. It's not alright >for ANYBODY to engage in false advertising! OK. but you *did* seem to imply it was OK (see below). >Do YOU >think you could see ALL the Dj's on that line-up?? that's one of the reasons massives don't appeal to me...if there were lots of acts on the bill i wanted to see, i'd have to miss (probably crucial) ones. hell, that always happens at multi-stage rock concerts, which is one reason i avoid them. >I am in NOOOO way defending Area 51's actions...I just >think it a little silly to think that you could >possibly see everybody you payed $40 for... but that's very different from saying "since you couldn't have seen everyone anyway, so what if one-third of them didn't show?" personally, one of the attractive aspects of A51 for me was Frankie Bones, and if i'd gone in large part specifically for his performance and not been able to see him, i'd have been very disappointed and angry. i guess that--as a musician, and as someone who has been involved in organizing various events over the last 30 years as well as attending innumerable musical events--i'm starting to get really angered by the oft-expressed idea that it's all right for "massive" promoters to advertise artists they don't present. in any other form of public music event presentation, the convention has ALWAYS been that if part of your advertised bill doesn't show, you post and announce that information inside *and* outside the venue and offer refunds in lieu of admission to anyone dissatisfied with the remaining bill. i see absolutely no justification for the rave scene being any different, especially at the rather exorbitant prices charged for massives...other than that rave consumers let promoters get away with it. and i don't think folks should stand by and allow themselves to be exploited. --hb no drawers = no "panties in wad" ;o) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69406-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:02:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51262 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:02:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51237 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:02:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.228.27.210] From: "Rayn" To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , , , , , References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:53:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 21:01:53.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[B35288E0:01C113BA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened This may be true but looking back on the track record of this promoter in general, their parties have almost always gone off. Sure it shitty this happened and we all hate losing the money for it, but in defense they lost alot of money too. Most of us come from a background of underground raves where everything done was illegal. I even remember nights where the party moved three times but all acts got to play. Now take this inflation and influx of people who love these new massive parties. Everyone outside our circle hates us. In the old days, sure we could pack up and move shop when shit hit the fan but not anymore. Espicially in an area that is known for the parties and most people want them shut down. He lost the first venue. Did he give up? No. The second venue would've been just as good except for a not-his fault situation. Most of your "shady" promoters would've given up seeing as how the day of the even was the next day. No, he kept going. He still provided someplace for you to go and see your DJ's.. Sure it wasn't the ideal locations for you, and it was probably just as less ideal for him having to decided which sound system was going where, which DJ's were going where, how to inform the people, etc. Sure it'd be nice if you could get a refund, but from what. Their money is gone. Gone to pay all the djs, the movers, the security, the new venues, any permits needed at last second etc.. He still has to pay everyone. But he's going to try and recover and anyone with a ticket is going to the next event in compensation for free. Yet another loss of revenue. Yeah class-action lawsuits are good and all (in theory, I think its the stupidist thing in the world)but what would it do except destroy one of the good promoters in the area. If they were filed, he could claim bankruptcy since he is a company. Or do you suck up the loss of $42 measly dollars. Put your head on straight and think to yourself.. What can I do to help something like this go off and get yourself active in the SFLNC. The bay area party scene, anything. Remember our roots spread from the idea of community. The basis is still valid. If you don't have time to contribute to help something other than paying money you're not really helping your community.. This is the equivalent of giving money to chairty or actuially going to a homeless shelter and offering whatever freetime you have, or planting trees in your neighborhood to help brighten it up. If you don't take pride in being a bay area party kid and just go to a party to see some cool music, take some drugs and go home liking the whole expierience or being pissed because the group throwing it didn't have enough help and support of the community as a whole. We really need to wake up people. Our scene is dying, its slipping, the "man" is running us into the ground, too many people are worried about money to realize that they can help contribute other ways to help everything as a whole.. Theres going to be more and more of this.. Massives are an easy target to destroy because of how much money flows through these things but the more "mainstream" we get the more we get the attention of haters. Everyone is turning a deaf ear to us because of our own squabbling. We're not willing to help those who fail and lift them up. We are very fickle.. We praise a great party but the next time that same company throws one and it flops they're considered shady promoters. I see it more and more on here and its a disease spreading through everything. Planting seeds of hate everywhere. I hate coming off sounding like PLUR-activist but PLUR shouldn't be dead. Its necessary. Turn the other cheek. Respect people for trying no matter what, if you're a seasoned vet offer some help with the next party, if your a newbie promoter, ask for help. Practice PLUR and lead by example. Don't shove it down other peoples throats. Just be nice, even if someone pisses you off, go away looking like whatever that person did to you has not affected you and don't retaliate. Move on and get over it. The more you do it the easier it gets. Ok, I'll stop rambling and I see there's other lists in this reply all. Take heed or suffer the fate thats happening all around the country and the death of scenes everywhere. I want to be able to rave until the day I die. It an atmosphere with good music, good people, DJ's (good or bad), and good times. I am in no way party of Greg Sandlers crew, and I'm looking into being more active with the SFLNC so don't say I'm trying to defend him just because I work for him. I believe in the whole idea as a whole. I love you all even though most of you will flame me. -Rayn ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation > >If you think you > >are going to get every act thats on that life size > >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > translation: it's all right for promoters to engage in false advertising and > take people's money for a product which they do not intend to provide. in > the real world, that's called "consumer fraud." perhaps if everyone holding > a ticket stub for Area 51--or the next massive which will, inevitably, > under-deliver--filed a class-action lawsuit against the promoter, perhaps > we'd have fewer rip-off massives...or, at least, fewer rip-off promoters > (which IMO would be just as good). > > --hb > > what's so difficult about the concept of delivering what you promised the > person who paid you? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69407-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:07:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59443 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:07:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59433 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:07:36 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.163] From: "Becca Plevin" To: lyds@home.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:07:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 21:07:03.0590 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C103C60:01C113BB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =) Woo hoo- I guess reviews are better late than never, so here goes.... CF presented another great night for all of us on the beach. The lack of music for a couple hours didn't bother me at all- I had a chance to run around and reconnect with some people who I hadn't seen in quite a while, and to take a fun trip down the beach with Alida, Osby, and Ira. It was nice to see everyone that was at the CF 6 year dancing along side a bunch of us young uns. :-) The music ran the gamut of styles, all of which somehow seemed to fit perfectly with the setting and mood of the party, and I was just glad to get some sort of workout from dancing with Alida on the sand. We made plans to all go to Denny's in the morning, but in the end I wussed out, both because I had to be up to set up for Area 51 and because I didn't think it was fair to ask Ira to get on a plane at 11 am without a shower. Although we both considered it- Denny's in the morning with everyone sounded like a perfect way to end a great night. So thanks, CF, for another kick ass night of friends, fun, and dancing. Becca >From: "(_lydia_W_)" >To: osby@ratkoonrat.net >CC: The_List >Subject: Re: [sfraves] CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =) >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:05:03 -0700 > >Cloudfactory was an awesome party for sure... I got there just as the crew >was getting there around 12 so we helped them carry stuff down and then >directed people who were confused by the directions which weren't very >clear. Got to meet Scott Nelson and some of the other CF peeps which was >cool:) 7 years.. wow.. I felt special just being there. I was dissapointed >that I didn't get to actually hang out on the beach more and had to leave >so early so that I could get home by 6 and then sleep a little before Area >51. Saw a lot of friends and confused Tina who didn't know who the hell >was hugging her. Went on a beach adventure with Ryan, Miki, Jason, and >Marshall to find sparkling sand. I was really only there for less then 2 >hours though... I was just happy I got to go at all and it wasn't all the >way up in Big Sur. I finally made it out to an outdoor party this summer >which fills some kind of void I was feeling for this summer. > >Once again, wow! > >Lydia > > >Osby wrote: > > > Wow....So Damn Dope!! I mean, OK, so yeah, it was a Mondo Trek to get 2 >the spot! Totally!! I mean, I was already having a semi-day of Hell & I >dunno! But the company of Jeff & My Darlin' Nic made it a CooL trip!! I >Love those 2 kids! But, yeah, it took klonger than a hop, skip, & a jump >to get there, but we made it!! Yay! > > > > 1st person I bump in2 there is Elizabeth Sy & gave her a hug! >Yay! Then followed the trail! Then I bump into Andy W & Migurski! >LoL...bumping into Andy @ this point kinda led to a bizzare evening of me >asking him questions about anything which he did come up w/ Totally Awesome >Answers but the sand crab answer really pissed me of 'cause it was a really >good answer (Hell Yeah Andy...we're gonna go Hardcore Homie)!! LoL! Wow, >everyone was there!! Saw the Eden Ent crew there & that was sick!! It's >Dope getting to know Adam a lil' better now!! There was a point where Ira, >Becca, Nicola, & I went wandering down the beach which was totally fun! >Did bonding time w/ Erik, Karen, & Ari & crew!! Totally bonded w/ this >lil' chica Regina! She was Awesome! Had a Bad Ass time hanging out w/ >Veronica (the TP Monitor) & had fun taking her on an O§BY mision! Hmmm, I >wonder if the mision was ever completed?!? Alida, Tina, & Patrice were >Dope to hang out w/!!! Alida was all Cute > > & red! Gosh man, so many people there!! Oh man, gotta hang w/ my Boy >Sol, but we didn't get to Groove together like we usually do! Well, it was >hard dancing on the sand kinda! Finally hung out w/ Jeramy after hella >daze! Oh yeah, I was kickin' in a lil' Group when I hear my name called in >front of me & it was Ryan w/ his vid cam! Hello2Day! Finally saw HL after >hella daze!! > > > > The music was Sick! I spent alota time hangin' w/ Migurski by >the speaker listening to the old skool Trance set! BUt oh man, what >totally got me Bumpin on the sand was the Breakbeats!!! Hello 2Day! So >Sick!! I mean, I was diggin' the House, Trance, Electro, & all the Good >Stuff, but oh man, it was all about Breakbeats for me! > > > > This was a Dope party! Oh my gosh, had so much fun!!! The >most Awesome part was when the break of day was comin' up & things were >startin' to get brighter!! Yeah, I do have to admit, a highlight of the >night/early morning was when Andy & what's her name (I totally keep >forgeting her name) decided to run in the water! Hello 2Day! BUt man, >Groovy vibes all around!! Everyone was So Awesome!! My gosh, I still >afterglowing! Dooooope Asss shindig! > > > > == > > Later {8O) > > Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69408-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:15:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67840 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:15:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67830 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:15:08 -0000 Message-ID: <016601c113bc$d97e5880$1101000a@litterbox> Reply-To: "Greg Sandler" From: "Greg Sandler" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:17:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0161_01C11382.2A4621C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 ------=_NextPart_000_0161_01C11382.2A4621C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First off, This post is directly from Greg Sandler (that's me), as opposed to the = last post which was sent from someone else at the Harmony Productions = office.=20 On a more personal note, I wanted to thank EVERYONE who came together at = the last minute to help our tired, dis-enchanted, and confused crew. If = it was not for a few key people (who shall remain nameless) we could not = have put anything together at the last minute. Thank you. As for my personal thought on the event... I had my oppositions to = moving the event instead of postponing it. But being that we had all of = the artists in town and everything else was in place, we figured we = should at the very least do something small and accomadate all of our = ticket holders. It was never our intention to fuck anyone over or piss = people off, we just wanted to put on a killer event with the music that = we love.=20 I definately understand that when things don't go right, all the ravers = are bound to get pissed. But what I want to explain to all of you, is = that we went through a lot of work to get this event to happen. I think = it takes balls of steal to put a show together (at the last minute) = knowing that no matter what happens, you are going to lose over $100K = (due to a smaller capacity). The reason we did that was for all of you. = To us, we were going to lose that money whether we cancelled or not. In = fact, we most likely would have lost less money if we cancelled, but we = wanted to come through on some level. I am asking you to at least = understand our intensions. The people that know and understand what promoters go through in = situations like ours, have to at least respect us for giving it our best = efforts. That is what this rave scene is about, or at least was = about....=20 On a final personal note, whether you like us, love us, or at this point = hate us, please hang onto your AREA 51 ticket. The reason is, that we = (AREA 51) are right now planning our next AREA 51 event. Keep your = ticket and get in for free. If you still have a ticket stub, we will = accomidate you in some way as well. Peace and love, Greg Sandler ------=_NextPart_000_0161_01C11382.2A4621C0-- From sfraves-return-69409-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:15:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68491 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:15:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68444 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:15:15 -0000 Message-ID: <005401c113bc$827aa660$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "Switch" , "DJ Howlin' Bob" , , , References: <20010723202354.20277.qmail@web10408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:13:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation Okay...but what about seeing most of them? Hell I bounce from room to room and see what I can of each dj and I believe that is what everyone else had in mind. I can sure as hell didn't pay 42 bucks to see beat your meat manifesto.. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Switch" To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" ; ; ; Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation > > --- DJ Howlin' Bob wrote: > > >If you think you > > >are going to get every act thats on that life size > > >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > > > translation: it's all right for promoters to engage > > in false advertising and > > take people's money for a product which they do not > > intend to provide. in > > the real world, that's called "consumer fraud." > > > Thats not what I meant there dude. It's not alright > for ANYBODY to engage in false advertising! Do YOU > think you could see ALL the Dj's on that line-up?? I > am in NOOOO way defending Area 51's actions...I just > think it a little silly to think that you could > possibly see everybody you payed $40 for... > > translation: Don't get your panties in a Howling wad. > > cj > > > ===== > Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music > > http://www.resourcerecords.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69410-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:15:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70401 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:15:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70376 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:15:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723211532.30947.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com To: Rayn , DJ Howlin' Bob , resourcerecords@yahoo.com, ascend@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org, fresnoraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened You make it sound like he is doing us a favor for having these parties! He is out to make a buck, and at this point obvious at any cost. I didn't go, but I completely disagree with your take one for the team attitude. If this was the old days (party was small and free) dealing with issues would not be a big deal. This promoter is not promoting a Rave any more, think of it like a concert, do you think concert goers would settle for this? Think of it as a business! I guess you are the best customer a business could have; get it wrong and they will still come back. I do however appreciate your positve outlook, on going out and just having a good time (no matter what.) But don't create an excuse for some one who is obviously underqualified. And as for the next party, do you think he'll have a party which will be a complete loss? No, he'll count on some people losing tickets, some to not go and then pack the place with a buncha paying people which will allow him to make a buck. It should be another large and not so organized event. Think of it like the promoter does: a business! Moe. --- Rayn wrote: > This may be true but looking back on the track > record of this promoter in > general, their parties have almost always gone off. > Sure it shitty this > happened and we all hate losing the money for it, > but in defense they lost > alot of money too. > > Most of us come from a background of underground > raves where everything done > was illegal. I even remember nights where the party > moved three times but > all acts got to play. Now take this inflation and > influx of people who love > these new massive parties. Everyone outside our > circle hates us. In the > old days, sure we could pack up and move shop when > shit hit the fan but not > anymore. Espicially in an area that is known for > the parties and most > people want them shut down. He lost the first > venue. Did he give up? No. > The second venue would've been just as good except > for a not-his fault > situation. Most of your "shady" promoters would've > given up seeing as how > the day of the even was the next day. No, he kept > going. He still provided > someplace for you to go and see your DJ's.. Sure it > wasn't the ideal > locations for you, and it was probably just as less > ideal for him having to > decided which sound system was going where, which > DJ's were going where, how > to inform the people, etc. > > Sure it'd be nice if you could get a refund, but > from what. Their money is > gone. Gone to pay all the djs, the movers, the > security, the new venues, > any permits needed at last second etc.. He still > has to pay everyone. But > he's going to try and recover and anyone with a > ticket is going to the next > event in compensation for free. Yet another loss of > revenue. Yeah > class-action lawsuits are good and all (in theory, I > think its the stupidist > thing in the world)but what would it do except > destroy one of the good > promoters in the area. If they were filed, he could > claim bankruptcy since > he is a company. > > Or do you suck up the loss of $42 measly dollars. > Put your head on straight > and think to yourself.. What can I do to help > something like this go off and > get yourself active in the SFLNC. The bay area > party scene, anything. > Remember our roots spread from the idea of > community. The basis is still > valid. If you don't have time to contribute to help > something other than > paying money you're not really helping your > community.. This is the > equivalent of giving money to chairty or actuially > going to a homeless > shelter and offering whatever freetime you have, or > planting trees in your > neighborhood to help brighten it up. If you don't > take pride in being a bay > area party kid and just go to a party to see some > cool music, take some > drugs and go home liking the whole expierience or > being pissed because the > group throwing it didn't have enough help and > support of the community as a > whole. > > We really need to wake up people. Our scene is > dying, its slipping, the > "man" is running us into the ground, too many people > are worried about money > to realize that they can help contribute other ways > to help everything as a > whole.. Theres going to be more and more of this.. > Massives are an easy > target to destroy because of how much money flows > through these things but > the more "mainstream" we get the more we get the > attention of haters. > Everyone is turning a deaf ear to us because of our > own squabbling. We're > not willing to help those who fail and lift them up. > We are very fickle.. > We praise a great party but the next time that same > company throws one and > it flops they're considered shady promoters. I see > it more and more on here > and its a disease spreading through everything. > Planting seeds of hate > everywhere. I hate coming off sounding like > PLUR-activist but PLUR > shouldn't be dead. Its necessary. Turn the other > cheek. Respect people for > trying no matter what, if you're a seasoned vet > offer some help with the > next party, if your a newbie promoter, ask for help. > Practice PLUR and lead > by example. Don't shove it down other peoples > throats. Just be nice, even > if someone pisses you off, go away looking like > whatever that person did to > you has not affected you and don't retaliate. Move > on and get over it. The > more you do it the easier it gets. > > Ok, I'll stop rambling and I see there's other lists > in this reply all. > Take heed or suffer the fate thats happening all > around the country and the > death of scenes everywhere. > > I want to be able to rave until the day I die. It > an atmosphere with good > music, good people, DJ's (good or bad), and good > times. > > I am in no way party of Greg Sandlers crew, and I'm > looking into being more > active with the SFLNC so don't say I'm trying to > defend him just because I > work for him. I believe in the whole idea as a > whole. I love you all even > though most of you will flame me. > > -Rayn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > To: ; > ; > ; ; > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF > Happened....Explanation > > > > >If you think you > > >are going to get every act thats on that life > size > > >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > > > translation: it's all right for promoters to > engage in false advertising > and > > take people's money for a product which they do > not intend to provide. in > > the real world, that's called "consumer fraud." > perhaps if everyone > holding > > a ticket stub for Area 51--or the next massive > which will, inevitably, > > under-deliver--filed a class-action lawsuit > against the promoter, perhaps > > we'd have fewer rip-off massives...or, at least, > fewer rip-off promoters > > (which IMO would be just as good). > > > > --hb > > > > what's so difficult about the concept of > delivering what you promised the > > person who paid you? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== _____________________________________________ Moe Tavakoli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69411-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:23:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83609 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:23:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83599 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:23:45 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01c113bd$c113c6d0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:23:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: ALL ONE THIS FRIDAY Tickets are going fast Hey what's up I just wanted to remind everyone about this Friday. This party is fully permitted and is in one location so I hope to see everyone out there. The first 25 people to buy tickets from all outlets will get them for 15 bucks a piece. We also just added Havoc and the Intellect Mc's... The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within in the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which have blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and those we just met. This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out their inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self through out the pleasure of dance. This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your place at this Re-Union $20.00 advanced tickets Virgin Indoor out door venue 100% fully permitted. 9:00pm till 8:00am Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy juices, And Aliens. Area 1 Circle in Unity: Richard Summerhayes Jazz-e uvt new resident Jim Hopkins -uvt Eric Michelle-uvt Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com Jesse Gonzalez- krate records Melanie-love sf Introducing: Justin Kauai Area 2 Circle of love: Keith Edwards- Solid groves Allen Octavo-FGE Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk Lsdj Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective Psykoral - Raven Tyme -Raven Celsius - Projekt 9 Eckö - UVT, core:NRG Area 3 Garden of Freedom: Pete Nice W/ Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW KAOS DRSK TICAL Havoc Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69412-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:31:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92102 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:31:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92092 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:31:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.163.70.161] From: "// genome //" To: References: <20010723202321.33531.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:31:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 21:31:00.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[C49026E0:01C113BE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off?: NO, it was ON. First of all I have to say that UFO! is an inspired and amazing artists who expresses himself through music and djing. When he djs, he's not just putting records together for the fuck of it to be weird, he's expressing himself and if you cant understand that then perhaps you were there for the wrong reasons, IMO. About where drum+bass is going, I have never agreed with any notion of any genre of music drying up or "growing stagnant". We're talking about peoples creativity here, music has soul (at least we hope it does most of the time), and that never gets stagnant. Music (especially electronic) PROGRESSES, and drum+bass probably progresses faster than any music I've ever experienced in my life, that's what makes it so incredibly exciting, people all over the world are pushing it forward and progressing it without any kind of force, its a natural progression and I find it all quite riveting, that's what keeps me in this scene. If you go to Eklektic once a month or any drum+bass event every month, you're going to hear something you've never heard before, something that will blow you away, every time, that's the nature of this music. Its about passion and soul for me, and like I said, that never gets old. Of course it can often come down to personal taste, and if you cant relate to a certain style or sound that happens to be the prevalent sound of the moment, just don't worry, it will all change and move forward, and I think anybody who loves music can appreciate that. I just cant stand the notion of categorically throwing off an entire genre of music as "stagnant" "all sounds the same". Maybe some people need to listen more closely. EKLEKTIC ON SATURDAY WAS NOT OFF, IT WENT OFF :) (like it does every week!). Cheers to the lot of ya, see you Saturday. By the way, this is my opinion, and I dont disrespect Jess or Josh and whoever else responded to this email originally. shouts out to my Killa Subz mates who are gonna have a big night this Wednesday at the Cactus with Seraphim and Flux coming down from the city to rock the joint for the south bay kidz. bigyup! // genome [Groundscore-SF] // http://groundscore.net // http://eklektic.net // http://www.subversivedesigns.com/genome // genome@subversivedesigns.com // icq/ 49565515 // aim/ genome2k ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess ica" To: "Jahsh" ; "Phillip A. Rzewski" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? >>Although I didn't go, I think you should be alittle more open to >>dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass is one of the most stagnet >>music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet if people complain anytime >>somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. Your prolly correct that >>it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to sit back and grab another >>drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other room and come back when the >>music returns to something you are more happy with. I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, can't we all just get over the "boom cha"? I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really made sense until now. I love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced it, but the clean, danceable sounds many may be used to originated from sounds that weren't so dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing how much the genre has evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, and how everybody has their own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing but props to those that decide to change the "rules" and add creativity to a somewhat anthem like setting. ~longlivejungletechnah~ Jess Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski wrote: > Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to > be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from > others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set > did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because > they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are > sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or > whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes > during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore > intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I > can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on > there. I'm bummed that I didn't make it out now that I know SS was able to throw down in the last hour. Props to dMarie and folks for prolly saving his night and showing him San fran has some real people that actuallly have their heart were it should be. peace, jahsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69413-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:34:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94767 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:34:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94757 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:34:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.228.27.210] From: "Rayn" To: , References: <20010723211532.30947.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:25:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 21:33:40.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[23BDD810:01C113BF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened He is doing us a favor. Greg Sandler has total respect from me. I've had nothing but good expieriences from his previous parties so I have no reason to hate him for somthing that didn't go off like planned. Sure he may be out to make a buck but this is also his full time job and he lost alot of money on it. I'm defending the scene in general. With how many people want to party now, massives are the only possible recourse in the next evolution of things. We love the late night. Most "normal" citizens are afraid of anything that has to deal with afterhours stuff. And since we have been so associated with drugs we need to try and get rid of that image for it to happen. Go to your small parties, I know I still love them, but when I want to see the big names and have a chance to get in Massives are just about it. We don't need to flame them for trying. Do you think rock and roll had an easy time trying to get to play big venues way back when. I'm sure they did. The government hated it at the time but finally there was a happy medium that resolved it somehow... (much lobbying to congress by the RIAA most likely.) I can't see the future so I don't know how this is going to end. But we all know how it began. By throwing nothing but underground parties that are illegal our message doesn't get out. Now we need to figure out somehow to transfer the vibe to massives and gain acceptance by the general populous. These early pioneers of massives aren't going to get everything right. One of your trusted massive companies you like will fail at some point in the future. We haven't figured out the whole equation! And yes, I am an awesome consumer for something that is new and unperfected. Thats why I beta test software, thats why I go to a restaurant that is new and tell them how to make things a better expierience for me. Maybe its just me but I'm always out to help people make things better and not criticize bad points without offering a solution. The only valid comment I've seen so far that I agree with is to have your venue 100% secured before you promote the hell out of something even if it includes working on renting two venues at once and maybe taking as much a profit as you want. -Rayn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe Tavakoli" To: "Rayn" ; "DJ Howlin' Bob" ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened > You make it sound like he is doing us a favor for > having these parties! He is out to make a buck, and > at this point obvious at any cost. I didn't go, but I > completely disagree with your take one for the team > attitude. If this was the old days (party was small > and free) dealing with issues would not be a big deal. > This promoter is not promoting a Rave any more, think > of it like a concert, do you think concert goers would > settle for this? Think of it as a business! I guess > you are the best customer a business could have; get > it wrong and they will still come back. > I do however appreciate your positve outlook, on going > out and just having a good time (no matter what.) But > don't create an excuse for some one who is obviously > underqualified. And as for the next party, do you > think he'll have a party which will be a complete > loss? No, he'll count on some people losing tickets, > some to not go and then pack the place with a buncha > paying people which will allow him to make a buck. It > should be another large and not so organized event. > Think of it like the promoter does: a business! > > Moe. > > --- Rayn wrote: > > This may be true but looking back on the track > > record of this promoter in > > general, their parties have almost always gone off. > > Sure it shitty this > > happened and we all hate losing the money for it, > > but in defense they lost > > alot of money too. > > > > Most of us come from a background of underground > > raves where everything done > > was illegal. I even remember nights where the party > > moved three times but > > all acts got to play. Now take this inflation and > > influx of people who love > > these new massive parties. Everyone outside our > > circle hates us. In the > > old days, sure we could pack up and move shop when > > shit hit the fan but not > > anymore. Espicially in an area that is known for > > the parties and most > > people want them shut down. He lost the first > > venue. Did he give up? No. > > The second venue would've been just as good except > > for a not-his fault > > situation. Most of your "shady" promoters would've > > given up seeing as how > > the day of the even was the next day. No, he kept > > going. He still provided > > someplace for you to go and see your DJ's.. Sure it > > wasn't the ideal > > locations for you, and it was probably just as less > > ideal for him having to > > decided which sound system was going where, which > > DJ's were going where, how > > to inform the people, etc. > > > > Sure it'd be nice if you could get a refund, but > > from what. Their money is > > gone. Gone to pay all the djs, the movers, the > > security, the new venues, > > any permits needed at last second etc.. He still > > has to pay everyone. But > > he's going to try and recover and anyone with a > > ticket is going to the next > > event in compensation for free. Yet another loss of > > revenue. Yeah > > class-action lawsuits are good and all (in theory, I > > think its the stupidist > > thing in the world)but what would it do except > > destroy one of the good > > promoters in the area. If they were filed, he could > > claim bankruptcy since > > he is a company. > > > > Or do you suck up the loss of $42 measly dollars. > > Put your head on straight > > and think to yourself.. What can I do to help > > something like this go off and > > get yourself active in the SFLNC. The bay area > > party scene, anything. > > Remember our roots spread from the idea of > > community. The basis is still > > valid. If you don't have time to contribute to help > > something other than > > paying money you're not really helping your > > community.. This is the > > equivalent of giving money to chairty or actuially > > going to a homeless > > shelter and offering whatever freetime you have, or > > planting trees in your > > neighborhood to help brighten it up. If you don't > > take pride in being a bay > > area party kid and just go to a party to see some > > cool music, take some > > drugs and go home liking the whole expierience or > > being pissed because the > > group throwing it didn't have enough help and > > support of the community as a > > whole. > > > > We really need to wake up people. Our scene is > > dying, its slipping, the > > "man" is running us into the ground, too many people > > are worried about money > > to realize that they can help contribute other ways > > to help everything as a > > whole.. Theres going to be more and more of this.. > > Massives are an easy > > target to destroy because of how much money flows > > through these things but > > the more "mainstream" we get the more we get the > > attention of haters. > > Everyone is turning a deaf ear to us because of our > > own squabbling. We're > > not willing to help those who fail and lift them up. > > We are very fickle.. > > We praise a great party but the next time that same > > company throws one and > > it flops they're considered shady promoters. I see > > it more and more on here > > and its a disease spreading through everything. > > Planting seeds of hate > > everywhere. I hate coming off sounding like > > PLUR-activist but PLUR > > shouldn't be dead. Its necessary. Turn the other > > cheek. Respect people for > > trying no matter what, if you're a seasoned vet > > offer some help with the > > next party, if your a newbie promoter, ask for help. > > Practice PLUR and lead > > by example. Don't shove it down other peoples > > throats. Just be nice, even > > if someone pisses you off, go away looking like > > whatever that person did to > > you has not affected you and don't retaliate. Move > > on and get over it. The > > more you do it the easier it gets. > > > > Ok, I'll stop rambling and I see there's other lists > > in this reply all. > > Take heed or suffer the fate thats happening all > > around the country and the > > death of scenes everywhere. > > > > I want to be able to rave until the day I die. It > > an atmosphere with good > > music, good people, DJ's (good or bad), and good > > times. > > > > I am in no way party of Greg Sandlers crew, and I'm > > looking into being more > > active with the SFLNC so don't say I'm trying to > > defend him just because I > > work for him. I believe in the whole idea as a > > whole. I love you all even > > though most of you will flame me. > > > > -Rayn > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > > To: ; > > ; > > ; ; > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF > > Happened....Explanation > > > > > > > >If you think you > > > >are going to get every act thats on that life > > size > > > >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > > > > > translation: it's all right for promoters to > > engage in false advertising > > and > > > take people's money for a product which they do > > not intend to provide. in > > > the real world, that's called "consumer fraud." > > perhaps if everyone > > holding > > > a ticket stub for Area 51--or the next massive > > which will, inevitably, > > > under-deliver--filed a class-action lawsuit > > against the promoter, perhaps > > > we'd have fewer rip-off massives...or, at least, > > fewer rip-off promoters > > > (which IMO would be just as good). > > > > > > --hb > > > > > > what's so difficult about the concept of > > delivering what you promised the > > > person who paid you? > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > ===== > _____________________________________________ > Moe Tavakoli > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69414-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:35:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96241 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:35:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96228 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:35:05 -0000 From: MadPnoy19@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.1d4ad83.288df27f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:34:55 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.1d4ad83.288df27f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 --part1_12d.1d4ad83.288df27f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how can we have a ticket stub when the ticket taker at the door took the whole ticket? oh well. -yonderB --part1_12d.1d4ad83.288df27f_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69415-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:37:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99671 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:37:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99660 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:37:13 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.156.230.206] From: "ravah luv" To: kimba@twinphish.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:36:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 21:36:42.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[90AC5960:01C113BF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? seriously, how many clubs have huge UK djs just stop by and throw down cause they happen to be in town? Eklektic is sometimes great, sometimes just okay, but usually a step up from the other options either way - B >From: kimba >Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net >To: "Phillip A. Rzewski" , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:43:16 -0700 (PDT) > > > Well.. I had fun.. and you should have stuck around because dj SS showed >up shortly thereafter and rocked the freakin house!! >hahha stop bein a sourpusss ;) >kimba > "Phillip A. Rzewski" wrote: Usually an >unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to >be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from >others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set >did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because >they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are >sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or >whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes >during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore >intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I >can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on >there. > >Maybe I am just turning into a big sourpus. > >-- >Phil > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69416-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:39:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2716 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:39:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2706 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:39:09 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5C995A.CCE69D82@numenor.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:38:34 -0700 From: "Phillip A. Rzewski" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010723202321.33531.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? Well, ok. Were you there, at least? I didn't see much sense in engaging with debate with the guy who wasn't even there. :) Really though, I was not trying to start anything. I am not lobbying to make every jungle dance floor a clone of a clone of what I happen to want to hear. I was just posting because I found a couple moments of the evening "challenging", and so I wanted to see what other people thought of them. If I was the only one that was unimpressed, I'll just chalk it up as another "well, ok, I guess I don't get it" and move on. For the record, I like all kinds of music. I love experimental and enjoy slowcore. My home collection includes experimental Nurse With Wound, Current 93, Coil, and Bruce Gilbert... and I dig slowcore like Low. I can't say I expect to hear this kinda stuff in the "proper dancefloor drum & bass" room of Eklektic, but if that's what the people want, who am I to complain? In the past, I thought it was pretty freaking amusing when UFO! would close his set with a grinding noise tune. It just so happens that on Saturday, being in the middle of a very upbeat and danceable set, it kinda made me lose my wave. If it had been a shorter break, probably not an issue. Just wanted to see if anyone else had that problem It's not like I never sit back, take a drink and listen... or go to the other room for a while... that just wasn't a newsworthy part of my report. I'd done that plenty on Saturday. By the end of the intermission, I just figured I wasn't clicking with the program. -- Phil Jess ica wrote: > >>Although I didn't go, I think you should be alittle more open to > >>dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass is one of the most > stagnet > >>music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet if people complain > anytime > >>somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. Your prolly correct > that > >>it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to sit back and grab > another > >>drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other room and come back > when the > >>music returns to something you are more happy with. > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, can't we all just get > over the "boom cha"? > > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really made sense until > now. I love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced it, but the > clean, danceable sounds many may be used to originated from sounds > that weren't so dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing how > much the genre has evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, > and how everybody has their own definition of "jungle". And I give > nothing but props to those that decide to change the "rules" and add > creativity to a somewhat anthem like setting. > > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > > Jess > > > > Jahsh wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski wrote: > > > Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was > finding Eklektic to > > be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be > curious to hear from > > others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of > the first set > > did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was > hooting because > > they recognized the track, but it was completely > undanceable. If DJs are > > sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun > of it... or > > whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place > for 10 minutes > > during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + > slowcore > > intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went > home to bed. I > > can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever > was going on > > there. > > > I'm bummed that I didn't make it out now that I know SS was > able > to throw down in the last hour. Props to dMarie and folks > for prolly > saving his night and showing him San fran has some real > people that > actuallly have their heart were it should be. > > peace, > jahsh > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69417-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:42:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5601 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:42:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5590 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:42:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.163.70.161] From: "// genome //" To: "Phillip A. Rzewski" , References: <20010723202321.33531.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> <3B5C995A.CCE69D82@numenor.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:42:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 21:42:04.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[50161E80:01C113C0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? BIGUP THE WORLD SERPENT DISTRIBUTION MASSIVE ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip A. Rzewski" To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? Well, ok. Were you there, at least? I didn't see much sense in engaging with debate with the guy who wasn't even there. :) Really though, I was not trying to start anything. I am not lobbying to make every jungle dance floor a clone of a clone of what I happen to want to hear. I was just posting because I found a couple moments of the evening "challenging", and so I wanted to see what other people thought of them. If I was the only one that was unimpressed, I'll just chalk it up as another "well, ok, I guess I don't get it" and move on. For the record, I like all kinds of music. I love experimental and enjoy slowcore. My home collection includes experimental Nurse With Wound, Current 93, Coil, and Bruce Gilbert... and I dig slowcore like Low. I can't say I expect to hear this kinda stuff in the "proper dancefloor drum & bass" room of Eklektic, but if that's what the people want, who am I to complain? In the past, I thought it was pretty freaking amusing when UFO! would close his set with a grinding noise tune. It just so happens that on Saturday, being in the middle of a very upbeat and danceable set, it kinda made me lose my wave. If it had been a shorter break, probably not an issue. Just wanted to see if anyone else had that problem It's not like I never sit back, take a drink and listen... or go to the other room for a while... that just wasn't a newsworthy part of my report. I'd done that plenty on Saturday. By the end of the intermission, I just figured I wasn't clicking with the program. -- Phil Jess ica wrote: > >>Although I didn't go, I think you should be alittle more open to > >>dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass is one of the most > stagnet > >>music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet if people complain > anytime > >>somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. Your prolly correct > that > >>it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to sit back and grab > another > >>drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other room and come back > when the > >>music returns to something you are more happy with. > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, can't we all just get > over the "boom cha"? > > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really made sense until > now. I love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced it, but the > clean, danceable sounds many may be used to originated from sounds > that weren't so dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing how > much the genre has evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, > and how everybody has their own definition of "jungle". And I give > nothing but props to those that decide to change the "rules" and add > creativity to a somewhat anthem like setting. > > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > > Jess > > > > Jahsh wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski wrote: > > > Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was > finding Eklektic to > > be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be > curious to hear from > > others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of > the first set > > did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was > hooting because > > they recognized the track, but it was completely > undanceable. If DJs are > > sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun > of it... or > > whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place > for 10 minutes > > during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + > slowcore > > intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went > home to bed. I > > can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever > was going on > > there. > > > I'm bummed that I didn't make it out now that I know SS was > able > to throw down in the last hour. Props to dMarie and folks > for prolly > saving his night and showing him San fran has some real > people that > actuallly have their heart were it should be. > > peace, > jahsh > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69418-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:44:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8881 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:44:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8871 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:44:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723214402.34043.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:44:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] what nana had to say about it...nrr bulla shita! :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69419-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:48:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13233 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:48:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13223 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:48:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723214809.25828.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:48:09 -0700 (PDT) From: JayFunk To: djhbomb999@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation You took the words right out of my mouth. My sentiments exactly. 99% promotion, 1% planning. With an event so big you think they'd make sure they had a venue before getting djs, lighting, etc. It's funny because saturday afternoon a friend of mine told me about the venue situation, and all I could do was laugh and wonder what the email war would look like. All he did was bitch about how hard it is to get permits, yada yada yada. Apparently Anon Salon didn't have too much trouble getting permits. I realize there's a hell of a lot of scrutiny from the police and government on raves, but still. I just feel bad for those who paid for the event who just wanted to have a good time. Fortunately, I have the patience to wait for the phatty undergrounds to get my groove on. Those at Rebirth on saturday know what I'm talkin' about :) Peace, Jay > A week ago, when final permits where being authored, we found out >that another event had just been permitted inside AREA 51's main location, >Pier 35. That event was being sponsored by a very respectable group of >promoters known as Anon Solon. Their event was, to our knowledge, to be a >benefit for their Burning Man expedition in August. i've held my tongue until now. however, this "explanation" is utterly pathetic. you sold thousands of tickets, at over $40 per person, WITHOUT FINAL PERMITTING? everyone who bought a ticket to this sad excuse for an organized event should have their money refunded, whether or not they were able to attend one of the half-assed partial events they were relegated to despite paying for the full event. and to try to blame your utter incompetence and cupidity on the Burning Man community, a segment of which is actually *capable* of obtaining permits in a competent manner (as you and your outfit, quite obviously, are not)? words fail me...and people who know me know how unusual *that* is. how utterly arrogant, incompetent, and laughable. --hb and the moral of the story is: never trust a promoter with a big mouth who comes on SFR answering reasonable questions about their operation and/or the concept of "massives" with arrogance and hostility, as Mr. 51 (or, more accurately, Mr. 26/25) did before the event. live and learn...and support the underground. ===== "Revolution is not showing life to people, but making them live" -Guy Debord AOL: JFunk998 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69420-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:49:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15240 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:49:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15193 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:49:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh To: // genome // cc: SFRAVES@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off?: NO, it was ON. > genre of music drying up or "growing stagnant". We're talking about peoples > creativity here, music has soul (at least we hope it does most of the time), > and that never gets stagnant. I talk with Dj and producers all the time that talk about wanting to play or produce stuff that is different, but the promoters or the record labels don't want them to move from what they think sells music. Dj's that want to play old jungle, but the promoter says it's to slow or it's not techstep, drum and bass or 2step producers that want to put out dubby and mellow stuff, but the record labels don't pick it up, because it's not a dancefloor crasher. This stuff goes on, and all of these things IMO make things stagnet. I'm not saying eklektic is part of the problem, because from the first post in this thread we can see that the dj's that are being booked are going somewere with the music. Abstract who also played last saturday is currently producing some of the best music out there IMO and one of the biggest reasons for me is that it's different; however, I wish the record companies would pick more of his stuff up. Jahsh Music (especially electronic) PROGRESSES, and > drum+bass probably progresses faster than any music I've ever experienced in > my life, that's what makes it so incredibly exciting, people all over the > world are pushing it forward and progressing it without any kind of force, > its a natural progression and I find it all quite riveting, that's what > keeps me in this scene. If you go to Eklektic once a month or any drum+bass > event every month, you're going to hear something you've never heard before, > something that will blow you away, every time, that's the nature of this > music. Its about passion and soul for me, and like I said, that never gets > old. > > // genome [Groundscore-SF] > // http://groundscore.net // http://eklektic.net > // http://www.subversivedesigns.com/genome > // genome@subversivedesigns.com > // icq/ 49565515 > // aim/ genome2k > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess ica" > To: "Jahsh" ; "Phillip A. Rzewski" > > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? > > > > >>Although I didn't go, I think you should be alittle more open to > >>dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass is one of the most stagnet > >>music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet if people complain anytime > >>somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. Your prolly correct that > >>it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to sit back and grab another > >>drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other room and come back when the > >>music returns to something you are more happy with. > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, can't we all just get over > the "boom cha"? > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really made sense until now. I > love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced it, but the clean, > danceable sounds many may be used to originated from sounds that weren't so > dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing how much the genre has > evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, and how everybody has their > own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing but props to those that > decide to change the "rules" and add creativity to a somewhat anthem like > setting. > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > Jess > > Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Phillip A. > Rzewski wrote: > > > Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to > > be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from > > others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set > > did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because > > they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are > > sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or > > whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes > > during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore > > intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I > > can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on > > there. > > > I'm bummed that I didn't make it out now that I know SS was able > to throw down in the last hour. Props to dMarie and folks for prolly > saving his night and showing him San fran has some real people that > actuallly have their heart were it should be. > > peace, > jahsh > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69421-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:50:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18699 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:50:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18688 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:50:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723215048.69499.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:50:48 -0700 (PDT) From: FUckFace Johnson To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <016601c113bc$d97e5880$1101000a@litterbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 sandler, you have awful lying skills. i lied better than you when i was 8. fuckface __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69422-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 21:54:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21461 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 21:54:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21450 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 21:54:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723215358.80703.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:53:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com To: Rayn , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened What your talking about is the commercialization of the scene. Which is now a business and not a "party." He is out to make a buck, if he knew that he would lose money he would not have done it. I don't dislike him either (hell I don;t even know him.) all I'm saying is see it as it is. Over promised and not delivered, a failure from a business aspect (which this is.) Yes, it is a full time job for him, and more power to him! He is obviously doing something he likes (and probably making a good sum of cash to be able to take $100k hit.) There were no favors done here, actually I take it back, getting away with not having to refund all the $ and not getting sued over this was a favor done for him by all goers. The line of "lost more money by putting on the show" is crap. The DJs were all rented (no refunds usuallYy) and there was no way in hell that they would refund the $42xthe number of tickets. In a small scale operation, lets say your local small resturant, yes you can go in and tell them how you like things and maybe help make it better and successful, thats the nature of a community. But it all changes when your talking about large events/organizations. Try going into a McDonalds and asking for something off the menu. Like it or not you get what you get and as a consumer you have the power of purchase, if enough people don'y like it, it will change or go away. But keep supporting something not adequate and thats all you'll ever get! Moe. --- Rayn wrote: > He is doing us a favor. Greg Sandler has total > respect from me. I've had > nothing but good expieriences from his previous > parties so I have no reason > to hate him for somthing that didn't go off like > planned. Sure he may be out > to make a buck but this is also his full time job > and he lost alot of money > on it. I'm defending the scene in general. With > how many people want to > party now, massives are the only possible recourse > in the next evolution of > things. We love the late night. Most "normal" > citizens are afraid of > anything that has to deal with afterhours stuff. > And since we have been so > associated with drugs we need to try and get rid of > that image for it to > happen. Go to your small parties, I know I still > love them, but when I want > to see the big names and have a chance to get in > Massives are just about it. > We don't need to flame them for trying. Do you > think rock and roll had an > easy time trying to get to play big venues way back > when. I'm sure they > did. The government hated it at the time but > finally there was a happy > medium that resolved it somehow... (much lobbying to > congress by the RIAA > most likely.) > I can't see the future so I don't know how this is > going to end. But we all > know how it began. By throwing nothing but > underground parties that are > illegal our message doesn't get out. Now we need to > figure out somehow to > transfer the vibe to massives and gain acceptance by > the general populous. > These early pioneers of massives aren't going to get > everything right. One > of your trusted massive companies you like will fail > at some point in the > future. We haven't figured out the whole equation! > And yes, I am an awesome consumer for something that > is new and unperfected. > Thats why I beta test software, thats why I go to a > restaurant that is new > and tell them how to make things a better > expierience for me. Maybe its > just me but I'm always out to help people make > things better and not > criticize bad points without offering a solution. > > The only valid comment I've seen so far that I agree > with is to have your > venue 100% secured before you promote the hell out > of something even if it > includes working on renting two venues at once and > maybe taking as much a > profit as you want. > > -Rayn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe Tavakoli" > To: "Rayn" ; "DJ Howlin' Bob" > ; > ; > ; ; > ; > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF > happened > > > > You make it sound like he is doing us a favor for > > having these parties! He is out to make a buck, > and > > at this point obvious at any cost. I didn't go, > but I > > completely disagree with your take one for the > team > > attitude. If this was the old days (party was > small > > and free) dealing with issues would not be a big > deal. > > This promoter is not promoting a Rave any more, > think > > of it like a concert, do you think concert goers > would > > settle for this? Think of it as a business! I > guess > > you are the best customer a business could have; > get > > it wrong and they will still come back. > > I do however appreciate your positve outlook, on > going > > out and just having a good time (no matter what.) > But > > don't create an excuse for some one who is > obviously > > underqualified. And as for the next party, do you > > think he'll have a party which will be a complete > > loss? No, he'll count on some people losing > tickets, > > some to not go and then pack the place with a > buncha > > paying people which will allow him to make a buck. > It > > should be another large and not so organized > event. > > Think of it like the promoter does: a business! > > > > Moe. > > > > --- Rayn wrote: > > > This may be true but looking back on the track > > > record of this promoter in > > > general, their parties have almost always gone > off. > > > Sure it shitty this > > > happened and we all hate losing the money for > it, > > > but in defense they lost > > > alot of money too. > > > > > > Most of us come from a background of underground > > > raves where everything done > > > was illegal. I even remember nights where the > party > > > moved three times but > > > all acts got to play. Now take this inflation > and > > > influx of people who love > > > these new massive parties. Everyone outside our > > > circle hates us. In the > > > old days, sure we could pack up and move shop > when > > > shit hit the fan but not > > > anymore. Espicially in an area that is known > for > > > the parties and most > > > people want them shut down. He lost the first > > > venue. Did he give up? No. > > > The second venue would've been just as good > except > > > for a not-his fault > > > situation. Most of your "shady" promoters > would've > > > given up seeing as how > > > the day of the even was the next day. No, he > kept > > > going. He still provided > > > someplace for you to go and see your DJ's.. Sure > it > > > wasn't the ideal > > > locations for you, and it was probably just as > less > > > ideal for him having to > > > decided which sound system was going where, > which > > > DJ's were going where, how > > > to inform the people, etc. > > > > > > Sure it'd be nice if you could get a refund, but > > > from what. Their money is > > > gone. Gone to pay all the djs, the movers, the > > > security, the new venues, > > > any permits needed at last second etc.. He > still > > > has to pay everyone. But > > > he's going to try and recover and anyone with a > > > ticket is going to the next > > > event in compensation for free. Yet another loss > of > > > revenue. Yeah > > > class-action lawsuits are good and all (in > theory, I > > > think its the stupidist > > > thing in the world)but what would it do except > > > destroy one of the good > > > promoters in the area. If they were filed, he > could > > > claim bankruptcy since > > > he is a company. > > > > > > Or do you suck up the loss of $42 measly > dollars. > > > Put your head on straight > > > and think to yourself.. What can I do to help > > > something like this go off and > > > get yourself active in the SFLNC. The bay area > > > party scene, anything. > > > Remember our roots spread from the idea of > > > community. The basis is still > > > valid. If you don't have time to contribute to > help > > > something other than > > > paying money you're not really helping your > > > community.. This is the > > > equivalent of giving money to chairty or > actuially > > > going to a homeless > > > shelter and offering whatever freetime you have, > or > > > planting trees in your > > > neighborhood to help brighten it up. If you > don't > > > take pride in being a bay > > > area party kid and just go to a party to see > some > > > cool music, take some > > > drugs and go home liking the whole expierience > or > > > being pissed because the > > > group throwing it didn't have enough help and > > > support of the community as a > > > whole. > > > > > > We really need to wake up people. Our scene is > > > dying, its slipping, the > > > "man" is running us into the ground, too many > people > > > are worried about money > > > to realize that they can help contribute other > ways > > > to help everything as a > > > whole.. Theres going to be more and more of > this.. > > > Massives are an easy > > > target to destroy because of how much money > flows > > > through these things but > > > the more "mainstream" we get the more we get the > > > attention of haters. > > > Everyone is turning a deaf ear to us because of > our > > > own squabbling. We're > > > not willing to help those who fail and lift them > up. > > > We are very fickle.. > > > We praise a great party but the next time that > same > > > company throws one and > > > it flops they're considered shady promoters. I > see > > > it more and more on here > > > and its a disease spreading through everything. > > > Planting seeds of hate > > > everywhere. I hate coming off sounding like > > > PLUR-activist but PLUR > > > shouldn't be dead. Its necessary. Turn the > other > > > cheek. Respect people for > > > trying no matter what, if you're a seasoned vet > > > offer some help with the > > > next party, if your a newbie promoter, ask for > help. > > > Practice PLUR and lead > > > by example. Don't shove it down other peoples > > > throats. Just be nice, even > > > if someone pisses you off, go away looking like > > > whatever that person did to > > > you has not affected you and don't retaliate. > Move > > > on and get over it. The > > > more you do it the easier it gets. > > > > > > Ok, I'll stop rambling and I see there's other > lists > > > in this reply all. > > > Take heed or suffer the fate thats happening all > > > around the country and the > > > death of scenes everywhere. > > > > > > I want to be able to rave until the day I die. > It > > > an atmosphere with good > > > music, good people, DJ's (good or bad), and good > > > times. > > > > > > I am in no way party of Greg Sandlers crew, and > I'm > > > looking into being more > > > active with the SFLNC so don't say I'm trying to > > > defend him just because I > > > work for him. I believe in the whole idea as a > > > whole. I love you all even > > > though most of you will flame me. > > > > > > -Rayn > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > > > To: ; > > > ; > > > ; > ; > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF > > > Happened....Explanation > > > > > > > > > > >If you think you > > > > >are going to get every act thats on that life > > > size > > > > >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > > > > > > > translation: it's all right for promoters to > > > engage in false advertising > > > and > > > > take people's money for a product which they > do > > > not intend to provide. in > > > > the real world, that's called "consumer > fraud." > > > perhaps if everyone > > > holding > > > > a ticket stub for Area 51--or the next massive > > > which will, inevitably, > > > > under-deliver--filed a class-action lawsuit > > > against the promoter, perhaps > > > > we'd have fewer rip-off massives...or, at > least, > > > fewer rip-off promoters > > > > (which IMO would be just as good). > > > > > > > > --hb > > > > > > > > what's so difficult about the concept of > > > delivering what you promised the > > > > person who paid you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > ===== > > _____________________________________________ > > Moe Tavakoli > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69423-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:04:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38656 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:04:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38646 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:04:00 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.163.70.161] From: "// genome //" To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:03:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 22:03:30.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EDF92F0:01C113C3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off?: NO, it was ON. Well...you know...thats your opinion, I still dont see how these kinds of difficulties would make an entire genre of music stagnant, but OK. I also dont think a lot of that is true, I think a lot of producers are following their hearts and making exactly the kind of music they want, one word: PHUNCKATECK. There are old school sessions all the time. Also, Im a dj, and most people whove heard my sets know I play ALL KINDS of drum+bass in the same set, there has never been a time like this where so many drum+bass djs are getting more and more daring by playing styles they never would have. Shit, I never thought Id ever buy a damn record on Hospital Records, these days I rarely pass one by. I dont see this whole stagnant thing, but hey, thats your reality, you run with it brutha! :) // genome [Groundscore-SF] // http://groundscore.net // http://eklektic.net // http://www.subversivedesigns.com/genome // genome@subversivedesigns.com // icq/ 49565515 // aim/ genome2k ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jahsh" To: "// genome //" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off?: NO, it was ON. > genre of music drying up or "growing stagnant". We're talking about peoples > creativity here, music has soul (at least we hope it does most of the time), > and that never gets stagnant. I talk with Dj and producers all the time that talk about wanting to play or produce stuff that is different, but the promoters or the record labels don't want them to move from what they think sells music. Dj's that want to play old jungle, but the promoter says it's to slow or it's not techstep, drum and bass or 2step producers that want to put out dubby and mellow stuff, but the record labels don't pick it up, because it's not a dancefloor crasher. This stuff goes on, and all of these things IMO make things stagnet. I'm not saying eklektic is part of the problem, because from the first post in this thread we can see that the dj's that are being booked are going somewere with the music. Abstract who also played last saturday is currently producing some of the best music out there IMO and one of the biggest reasons for me is that it's different; however, I wish the record companies would pick more of his stuff up. Jahsh Music (especially electronic) PROGRESSES, and > drum+bass probably progresses faster than any music I've ever experienced in > my life, that's what makes it so incredibly exciting, people all over the > world are pushing it forward and progressing it without any kind of force, > its a natural progression and I find it all quite riveting, that's what > keeps me in this scene. If you go to Eklektic once a month or any drum+bass > event every month, you're going to hear something you've never heard before, > something that will blow you away, every time, that's the nature of this > music. Its about passion and soul for me, and like I said, that never gets > old. > > // genome [Groundscore-SF] > // http://groundscore.net // http://eklektic.net > // http://www.subversivedesigns.com/genome > // genome@subversivedesigns.com > // icq/ 49565515 > // aim/ genome2k > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess ica" > To: "Jahsh" ; "Phillip A. Rzewski" > > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? > > > > >>Although I didn't go, I think you should be alittle more open to > >>dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass is one of the most stagnet > >>music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet if people complain anytime > >>somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. Your prolly correct that > >>it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to sit back and grab another > >>drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other room and come back when the > >>music returns to something you are more happy with. > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, can't we all just get over > the "boom cha"? > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really made sense until now. I > love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced it, but the clean, > danceable sounds many may be used to originated from sounds that weren't so > dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing how much the genre has > evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, and how everybody has their > own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing but props to those that > decide to change the "rules" and add creativity to a somewhat anthem like > setting. > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > Jess > > Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Phillip A. > Rzewski wrote: > > > Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to > > be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from > > others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set > > did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because > > they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are > > sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or > > whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes > > during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore > > intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I > > can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on > > there. > > > I'm bummed that I didn't make it out now that I know SS was able > to throw down in the last hour. Props to dMarie and folks for prolly > saving his night and showing him San fran has some real people that > actuallly have their heart were it should be. > > peace, > jahsh > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69424-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:05:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43965 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:05:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43954 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:05:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723220535.81288.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jungle Bunny To: Greg Sandler , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <016601c113bc$d97e5880$1101000a@litterbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 > On a final personal note, whether you like us, love > us, or at this > point hate us, please hang onto your AREA 51 ticket. > The reason is, that we > (AREA 51) are right now planning our next AREA 51 > event. Keep your > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > ticket stub, we will > accomidate you in some way as well. ???what about the people who went to meritime, and were not allowed to keep a stub???? and don't tell me that we got what we paid for in SF....because that was the worst party I have ever been to. --- Greg Sandler wrote: > First off, > > This post is directly from Greg Sandler (that's me), > as opposed to the last post which was sent from > someone else at the Harmony Productions office. > > On a more personal note, I wanted to thank EVERYONE > who came together at the last minute to help our > tired, dis-enchanted, and confused crew. If it was > not for a few key people (who shall remain nameless) > we could not have put anything together at the last > minute. Thank you. > > As for my personal thought on the event... I had my > oppositions to moving the event instead of > postponing it. But being that we had all of the > artists in town and everything else was in place, > we figured we should at the very least do something > small and accomadate all of our ticket holders. It > was never our intention to fuck anyone over or piss > people off, we just wanted to put on a killer event > with the music that we love. > > I definately understand that when things don't go > right, all the ravers are bound to get pissed. But > what I want to explain to all of you, is that we > went through a lot of work to get this event to > happen. I think it takes balls of steal to put a > show together (at the last minute) knowing that no > matter what happens, you are going to lose over > $100K (due to a smaller capacity). The reason we > did that was for all of you. To us, we were going to > lose that money whether we cancelled or not. In > fact, we most likely would have lost less money if > we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on some > level. I am asking you to at least understand our > intensions. > > The people that know and understand what promoters > go through in situations like ours, have to at least > respect us for giving it our best efforts. That is > what this rave scene is about, or at least was > about.... > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, love > us, or at this point hate us, please hang onto your > AREA 51 ticket. The reason is, that we (AREA 51) are > right now planning our next AREA 51 event. Keep your > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > ticket stub, we will accomidate you in some way as > well. > > Peace and love, > > Greg Sandler > ===== "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - That's my Bush __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69425-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:10:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50060 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:10:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 50050 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:10:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.142.153.34] From: "Megan Long" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: ascend@ix.netcom.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:09:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 22:09:38.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A6B2FF0:01C113C4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 acts OK, so I'm just wondering out of curiosity, can we get the breakdown on which artists didn't get to play at Area 51? Did Binary Finary, Frankie Bones and John Selway play at Maritime? Who didn't get to in Oakland? Muchas gracias, Megan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69426-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:12:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53484 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:12:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53469 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:12:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723221249.26052.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com To: Jungle Bunny , Greg Sandler , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010723220535.81288.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 Just a big ass mess created by folks who really don;t know how to run a business, specially one of this size! Can't get it right, even now! --- Jungle Bunny wrote: > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, > love > > us, or at this > > point hate us, please hang onto your AREA 51 > ticket. > > The reason is, that we > > (AREA 51) are right now planning our next AREA 51 > > event. Keep your > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > ticket stub, we will > > accomidate you in some way as well. > > ???what about the people who went to meritime, and > were not allowed to keep a stub???? > and don't tell me that we got what we paid for in > SF....because that was the worst party I have ever > been to. > > > --- Greg Sandler wrote: > > First off, > > > > This post is directly from Greg Sandler (that's > me), > > as opposed to the last post which was sent from > > someone else at the Harmony Productions office. > > > > On a more personal note, I wanted to thank > EVERYONE > > who came together at the last minute to help our > > tired, dis-enchanted, and confused crew. If it was > > not for a few key people (who shall remain > nameless) > > we could not have put anything together at the > last > > minute. Thank you. > > > > As for my personal thought on the event... I had > my > > oppositions to moving the event instead of > > postponing it. But being that we had all of the > > artists in town and everything else was in place, > > we figured we should at the very least do > something > > small and accomadate all of our ticket holders. It > > was never our intention to fuck anyone over or > piss > > people off, we just wanted to put on a killer > event > > with the music that we love. > > > > I definately understand that when things don't go > > right, all the ravers are bound to get pissed. But > > what I want to explain to all of you, is that we > > went through a lot of work to get this event to > > happen. I think it takes balls of steal to put a > > show together (at the last minute) knowing that no > > matter what happens, you are going to lose over > > $100K (due to a smaller capacity). The reason we > > did that was for all of you. To us, we were going > to > > lose that money whether we cancelled or not. In > > fact, we most likely would have lost less money if > > we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on > some > > level. I am asking you to at least understand our > > intensions. > > > > The people that know and understand what promoters > > go through in situations like ours, have to at > least > > respect us for giving it our best efforts. That is > > what this rave scene is about, or at least was > > about.... > > > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, > love > > us, or at this point hate us, please hang onto > your > > AREA 51 ticket. The reason is, that we (AREA 51) > are > > right now planning our next AREA 51 event. Keep > your > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > ticket stub, we will accomidate you in some way as > > well. > > > > Peace and love, > > > > Greg Sandler > > > > > ===== > "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - > That's my Bush > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== _____________________________________________ Moe Tavakoli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69427-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:17:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59996 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:17:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59986 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:17:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723221727.69219.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: MadPnoy19@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <12d.1d4ad83.288df27f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 i think he meant unused tickets. =) peace angela --- MadPnoy19@aol.com wrote: > how can we have a ticket stub when the ticket taker at > the door took the > whole ticket? oh well. > > -yonderB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69428-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:17:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60447 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:17:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60376 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:17:35 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:18:01 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-201-80-59.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.59]; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:17:12 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Robert Miles Tomorrow??? I have heard a rumour that Robert Miles is playing a free show at the virgin megastore tomorrow. Does anyone else know about this? What time? Any info? Thx! Baked, Not Fried, Shaman --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69429-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:17:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62236 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:17:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62194 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:17:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: <200107232217.PAA21078@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.200.181] From: "Stephanie Bitters" To: igbert1@sfsu.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.org, ian@newhomesmapguide.com, JunglistsUnite@listbot.com, twinphishy@yahoo.com, kimberlycx@yahoo.com, mcduh@dog.com, ryan@citizen-7.com, curiosit_e@hotmail.com, summer@saturn5.com, exzac@raveworld.net X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] John B. LISTEN: Future Reference LP The man John B has done it again & produced yet another great album, full of a variety of styles. The white Don King! Wiked! http://www.breakbeat.co.uk/listen/listen-2000albums.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69430-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:18:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63980 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:18:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63946 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:18:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723221814.69280.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: MadPnoy19@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <12d.1d4ad83.288df27f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 i think he meant unused tickets. =) peace angela --- MadPnoy19@aol.com wrote: > how can we have a ticket stub when the ticket taker at > the door took the > whole ticket? oh well. > > -yonderB > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69431-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:20:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68739 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:20:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68638 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:20:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723222015.27512.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com To: shaman@bluegreen.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Robert Miles Tomorrow??? Don't know, but it looks like he is on Groovetech Seatlle right now. http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/GT/srvlt/GTController?action=BroadcastCalendar&page=broadcast_live.jsp&StreamName=GT+Radio+Seattle&location=Seattle --- "D.J. Shaman" wrote: > I have heard a rumour that Robert Miles is playing a > free show at > the virgin megastore tomorrow. Does anyone else know > about this? > What time? Any info? > > Thx! > > Baked, Not Fried, > Shaman > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== _____________________________________________ Moe Tavakoli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69432-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:23:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73700 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:23:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73687 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:23:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723222319.1523.qmail@web12208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: cloude To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: Greg Sandler In-Reply-To: <016601c113bc$d97e5880$1101000a@litterbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) Hello Greg, (and sfraves) I don't want to be just another "pissed off raver" because I'm not. I'm not a raver. I'm a somewhat average 27 year old guy who likes to go to dance (at a houseparty, club, concert, street party, my living room, rave, whatever). I've been partying since I was much younger, but don't want to get into semantics about being old school or whatever. It really doesn't matter. I am pissed off though. The reason I bought a ticket for area 51, is because the lineup looked reasonable good, and it was going to be in the city. I'm so over the scene having to cruise around from my house to map points to parties etc, I've done my share. I wanted to head downtown, to where the party was, and not worry about anything. I've avoided all other massives in the past, because I've heard of horror stories regarding permits/cancellations/venue changes etc, and I didn't think this could happen. Your massive was going to be held in downtown San Francisco... that's why I bought the ticket. My main question to you, and all the other promoters/party planners now, is how the hell do you sell tickets to an event, without knowing it's going to take place for sure? It seems pretty criminal to me. I've been speaking with one of my friends, an attorney who was planning on coming with me, until I told him about what was going down on Saturday. The only words that he mentioned were "class action". I'm entitled to a refund, no questions asked. That's pretty much the bottom line. You promised (on very expensive glossy fliers I may add) 300,000 square feet of space in San Francisco (among other things... I am not going to repeat all the promises). I don't have a car, but luckily had a friend heading to Berkeley (for something else) on Saturday afternoon, so I took a ride with him (mainly to humor myself) and checked out the line at Skills. I didn't even get out of the car. It took us almost an hour to get there, and the people who were getting off the line were complaining about how long they had been standing there. I appreciate the effort for the last minute crunch, but it was handled unprofessionally. I pre-ordered my ticket from the ThumpRadio website (who by the way, throw great parties that come through each and every time) and I refused to stand in line for over an hour, to get to go to LESS THAN HALF the party for which I paid for (at the Maritime, which I avoid like the plague anyway). So now here I am, with not even a ticket stub in my hand (just a receipt confirming a ticket that I never picked up, because you sent thousands of people to a small store in Berkeley.) OH yeah, what ever happened to those debriefing emails we were supposed to receive. Never came... but I could have predicted that. Maybe our grey little friends.....hmmmmm. I ended up having a great time on Saturday night regardless (not at your scam/event) but each and every single person that I told your story to (most of which are respectable business people, attorneys, physicians, artists, djs, promoters) informed me that what you have done is inexcusable. Just because the majority of people attending your events are younger, doesn't mean that you have the right to take advantage of them, and think that they are not going to do anything in response to your poor planning. Their hard earned money, like mine, was spent on your crappy ass "event." (To those younger ravers reading this... take this as a lesson, and make sure to share your experiences with your friends, family, and people you meet. It's important to get this awareness out there in the public, so future people are not taken advantage of like we were.) To be quite honest, I think each and every single person who paid for the event is entitled to not only a refund, but we deserve to see the "permits" in question, and more specifically, have them online for everyone to see. I don't believe that you ever had a secured venue, nor do most people. You have to take my word on that, as I took your word, and forked over my cash to your scam. You need to post every single permit you had for this event online for everyone to see (obviously black out sensitive materials). Greg, we're all business people in one way or another. Some better than others, some worse than many. I know you were put in a very hard place, but my faith in your parties, and massives in general have gone down the drain. It is imperative that you work with me, and the rest of the people who paid to make us happy. That's why we bought a ticket. To have fun. The customer is always right, and whether its 16 year old Sunshyne, or 45 year old Bob the Dancer Dude, we gave you our money, you stole it. I'm a casual lurker on the sfraves list, and have been for a while. I hate to burst out and make this a rant post, but after going to parties since the early 90s (on three different continents) I have never seen anything as unprofessional and ridiculous as this. Thanks for your time, Sorry to write so much, Cloude PS. Greg --- tell me who I need to contact to get my money back, like i said, I purchased my ticket through the ThumpRadio website. PPS. If anyone has read this far, feel free to comment on my post, I know people will agree and disagree alike, but I'm curious to hear what you all have to say as well. I hope your Saturday was fun in any case. Have fun. See you all at some point (I hope). --- Greg Sandler wrote: > First off, > > This post is directly from Greg Sandler (that's me), > as opposed to the last post which was sent from > someone else at the Harmony Productions office. > > On a more personal note, I wanted to thank EVERYONE > who came together at the last minute to help our > tired, dis-enchanted, and confused crew. If it was > not for a few key people (who shall remain nameless) > we could not have put anything together at the last > minute. Thank you. > > As for my personal thought on the event... I had my > oppositions to moving the event instead of > postponing it. But being that we had all of the > artists in town and everything else was in place, > we figured we should at the very least do something > small and accomadate all of our ticket holders. It > was never our intention to fuck anyone over or piss > people off, we just wanted to put on a killer event > with the music that we love. > > I definately understand that when things don't go > right, all the ravers are bound to get pissed. But > what I want to explain to all of you, is that we > went through a lot of work to get this event to > happen. I think it takes balls of steal to put a > show together (at the last minute) knowing that no > matter what happens, you are going to lose over > $100K (due to a smaller capacity). The reason we > did that was for all of you. To us, we were going to > lose that money whether we cancelled or not. In > fact, we most likely would have lost less money if > we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on some > level. I am asking you to at least understand our > intensions. > > The people that know and understand what promoters > go through in situations like ours, have to at least > respect us for giving it our best efforts. That is > what this rave scene is about, or at least was > about.... > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, love > us, or at this point hate us, please hang onto your > AREA 51 ticket. The reason is, that we (AREA 51) are > right now planning our next AREA 51 event. Keep your > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > ticket stub, we will accomidate you in some way as > well. > > Peace and love, > > Greg Sandler > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69433-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:25:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77120 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:25:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77110 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:25:51 -0000 To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org CC: shaman@bluegreen.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:27:22 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-201-80-59.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.59]; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:25:39 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Robert Miles Tomorrow??? It may look like it, but it sure doesn't sound like it! I think it's still the deep house dj on... At Monday, 23 July 2001, Moe Tavakoli wrote: >Don't know, but it looks like he is on Groovetech >Seatlle right now. > >http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/GT/srvlt/GTController?action=BroadcastCalendar&page=broadcast_live. >jsp&StreamName=GT+Radio+Seattle&location=Seattle > >--- "D.J. Shaman" wrote: >> I have heard a rumour that Robert Miles is playing a >> free show at >> the virgin megastore tomorrow. Does anyone else know >> about this? >> What time? Any info? >> >> Thx! >> >> Baked, Not Fried, >> Shaman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >===== >_____________________________________________ >Moe Tavakoli > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69434-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:26:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78394 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:26:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78383 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:26:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.228.27.210] From: "Rayn" To: , References: <20010723215358.80703.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:17:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 22:25:40.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[6755C090:01C113C6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened Yes, commercialization will happen, people often get told what to do, how to dress etc without realizing they're being brainwashed into it. I'm saying I'd like to see the scene like the rock and roll scene. Look at the parallel. Big Venues - bands who have made it big and require something big for lots of fans to come see them. Small clubs - Local bands or bands trying to get recognized with locals going to see them there. Then you have all the garage bands. There really is no difference and along the same lives the local scene vs. global scene will always have it people who love the big show and people who would rather see a local hero in a small club. I'm just saying there needs to be more support from every local community to help set a standard. The small party mystique and magic is never going to go away for those who love it, but those acts I used to see in small clubs within' the electronic community are now playing sold out venues and I'd much rather see them at a massive with tons of others and some local talent there to show them up as well. Thats your typical rock concert. We're frowned upon because we like to go all night and when a party gets shut down early we cry. We need to help the scene grow up and be respectable so things like this DON'T happen. Thats all I'm trying to say. I believe everyone should get a refund, but if it can't be done, what is stuff like lawsuits going to do to help things next time around. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe Tavakoli" To: "Rayn" ; Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened > What your talking about is the commercialization of > the scene. Which is now a business and not a "party." > He is out to make a buck, if he knew that he would > lose money he would not have done it. I don't dislike > him either (hell I don;t even know him.) all I'm > saying is see it as it is. Over promised and not > delivered, a failure from a business aspect (which > this is.) Yes, it is a full time job for him, and > more power to him! He is obviously doing something he > likes (and probably making a good sum of cash to be > able to take $100k hit.) There were no favors done > here, actually I take it back, getting away with not > having to refund all the $ and not getting sued over > this was a favor done for him by all goers. The line > of "lost more money by putting on the show" is crap. > The DJs were all rented (no refunds usuallYy) and > there was no way in hell that they would refund the > $42xthe number of tickets. > > In a small scale operation, lets say your local small > resturant, yes you can go in and tell them how you > like things and maybe help make it better and > successful, thats the nature of a community. But it > all changes when your talking about large > events/organizations. Try going into a McDonalds and > asking for something off the menu. Like it or not you > get what you get and as a consumer you have the power > of purchase, if enough people don'y like it, it will > change or go away. But keep supporting something not > adequate and thats all you'll ever get! > > Moe. > > --- Rayn wrote: > > He is doing us a favor. Greg Sandler has total > > respect from me. I've had > > nothing but good expieriences from his previous > > parties so I have no reason > > to hate him for somthing that didn't go off like > > planned. Sure he may be out > > to make a buck but this is also his full time job > > and he lost alot of money > > on it. I'm defending the scene in general. With > > how many people want to > > party now, massives are the only possible recourse > > in the next evolution of > > things. We love the late night. Most "normal" > > citizens are afraid of > > anything that has to deal with afterhours stuff. > > And since we have been so > > associated with drugs we need to try and get rid of > > that image for it to > > happen. Go to your small parties, I know I still > > love them, but when I want > > to see the big names and have a chance to get in > > Massives are just about it. > > We don't need to flame them for trying. Do you > > think rock and roll had an > > easy time trying to get to play big venues way back > > when. I'm sure they > > did. The government hated it at the time but > > finally there was a happy > > medium that resolved it somehow... (much lobbying to > > congress by the RIAA > > most likely.) > > I can't see the future so I don't know how this is > > going to end. But we all > > know how it began. By throwing nothing but > > underground parties that are > > illegal our message doesn't get out. Now we need to > > figure out somehow to > > transfer the vibe to massives and gain acceptance by > > the general populous. > > These early pioneers of massives aren't going to get > > everything right. One > > of your trusted massive companies you like will fail > > at some point in the > > future. We haven't figured out the whole equation! > > And yes, I am an awesome consumer for something that > > is new and unperfected. > > Thats why I beta test software, thats why I go to a > > restaurant that is new > > and tell them how to make things a better > > expierience for me. Maybe its > > just me but I'm always out to help people make > > things better and not > > criticize bad points without offering a solution. > > > > The only valid comment I've seen so far that I agree > > with is to have your > > venue 100% secured before you promote the hell out > > of something even if it > > includes working on renting two venues at once and > > maybe taking as much a > > profit as you want. > > > > -Rayn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Moe Tavakoli" > > To: "Rayn" ; "DJ Howlin' Bob" > > ; > > ; > > ; ; > > ; > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF > > happened > > > > > > > You make it sound like he is doing us a favor for > > > having these parties! He is out to make a buck, > > and > > > at this point obvious at any cost. I didn't go, > > but I > > > completely disagree with your take one for the > > team > > > attitude. If this was the old days (party was > > small > > > and free) dealing with issues would not be a big > > deal. > > > This promoter is not promoting a Rave any more, > > think > > > of it like a concert, do you think concert goers > > would > > > settle for this? Think of it as a business! I > > guess > > > you are the best customer a business could have; > > get > > > it wrong and they will still come back. > > > I do however appreciate your positve outlook, on > > going > > > out and just having a good time (no matter what.) > > But > > > don't create an excuse for some one who is > > obviously > > > underqualified. And as for the next party, do you > > > think he'll have a party which will be a complete > > > loss? No, he'll count on some people losing > > tickets, > > > some to not go and then pack the place with a > > buncha > > > paying people which will allow him to make a buck. > > It > > > should be another large and not so organized > > event. > > > Think of it like the promoter does: a business! > > > > > > Moe. > > > > > > --- Rayn wrote: > > > > This may be true but looking back on the track > > > > record of this promoter in > > > > general, their parties have almost always gone > > off. > > > > Sure it shitty this > > > > happened and we all hate losing the money for > > it, > > > > but in defense they lost > > > > alot of money too. > > > > > > > > Most of us come from a background of underground > > > > raves where everything done > > > > was illegal. I even remember nights where the > > party > > > > moved three times but > > > > all acts got to play. Now take this inflation > > and > > > > influx of people who love > > > > these new massive parties. Everyone outside our > > > > circle hates us. In the > > > > old days, sure we could pack up and move shop > > when > > > > shit hit the fan but not > > > > anymore. Espicially in an area that is known > > for > > > > the parties and most > > > > people want them shut down. He lost the first > > > > venue. Did he give up? No. > > > > The second venue would've been just as good > > except > > > > for a not-his fault > > > > situation. Most of your "shady" promoters > > would've > > > > given up seeing as how > > > > the day of the even was the next day. No, he > > kept > > > > going. He still provided > > > > someplace for you to go and see your DJ's.. Sure > > it > > > > wasn't the ideal > > > > locations for you, and it was probably just as > > less > > > > ideal for him having to > > > > decided which sound system was going where, > > which > > > > DJ's were going where, how > > > > to inform the people, etc. > > > > > > > > Sure it'd be nice if you could get a refund, but > > > > from what. Their money is > > > > gone. Gone to pay all the djs, the movers, the > > > > security, the new venues, > > > > any permits needed at last second etc.. He > > still > > > > has to pay everyone. But > > > > he's going to try and recover and anyone with a > > > > ticket is going to the next > > > > event in compensation for free. Yet another loss > > of > > > > revenue. Yeah > > > > class-action lawsuits are good and all (in > > theory, I > > > > think its the stupidist > > > > thing in the world)but what would it do except > > > > destroy one of the good > > > > promoters in the area. If they were filed, he > > could > > > > claim bankruptcy since > > > > he is a company. > > > > > > > > Or do you suck up the loss of $42 measly > > dollars. > > > > Put your head on straight > > > > and think to yourself.. What can I do to help > > > > something like this go off and > > > > get yourself active in the SFLNC. The bay area > > > > party scene, anything. > > > > Remember our roots spread from the idea of > > > > community. The basis is still > > > > valid. If you don't have time to contribute to > > help > > > > something other than > > > > paying money you're not really helping your > > > > community.. This is the > > > > equivalent of giving money to chairty or > > actuially > > > > going to a homeless > > > > shelter and offering whatever freetime you have, > > or > > > > planting trees in your > > > > neighborhood to help brighten it up. If you > > don't > > > > take pride in being a bay > > > > area party kid and just go to a party to see > > some > > > > cool music, take some > > > > drugs and go home liking the whole expierience > > or > > > > being pissed because the > > > > group throwing it didn't have enough help and > > > > support of the community as a > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > We really need to wake up people. Our scene is > > > > dying, its slipping, the > > > > "man" is running us into the ground, too many > > people > > > > are worried about money > > > > to realize that they can help contribute other > > ways > > > > to help everything as a > > > > whole.. Theres going to be more and more of > > this.. > > > > Massives are an easy > > > > target to destroy because of how much money > > flows > > > > through these things but > > > > the more "mainstream" we get the more we get the > > > > attention of haters. > > > > Everyone is turning a deaf ear to us because of > > our > > > > own squabbling. We're > > > > not willing to help those who fail and lift them > > up. > > > > We are very fickle.. > > > > We praise a great party but the next time that > > same > > > > company throws one and > > > > it flops they're considered shady promoters. I > > see > > > > it more and more on here > > > > and its a disease spreading through everything. > > > > Planting seeds of hate > > > > everywhere. I hate coming off sounding like > > > > PLUR-activist but PLUR > > > > shouldn't be dead. Its necessary. Turn the > > other > > > > cheek. Respect people for > > > > trying no matter what, if you're a seasoned vet > > > > offer some help with the > > > > next party, if your a newbie promoter, ask for > > help. > > > > Practice PLUR and lead > > > > by example. Don't shove it down other peoples > > > > throats. Just be nice, even > > > > if someone pisses you off, go away looking like > > > > whatever that person did to > > > > you has not affected you and don't retaliate. > > Move > > > > on and get over it. The > > > > more you do it the easier it gets. > > > > > > > > Ok, I'll stop rambling and I see there's other > > lists > > > > in this reply all. > > > > Take heed or suffer the fate thats happening all > > > > around the country and the > > > > death of scenes everywhere. > > > > > > > > I want to be able to rave until the day I die. > > It > > > > an atmosphere with good > > > > music, good people, DJ's (good or bad), and good > > > > times. > > > > > > > > I am in no way party of Greg Sandlers crew, and > > I'm > > > > looking into being more > > > > active with the SFLNC so don't say I'm trying to > > > > defend him just because I > > > > work for him. I believe in the whole idea as a > > > > whole. I love you all even > > > > though most of you will flame me. > > > > > > > > -Rayn > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > > > > To: ; > > > > ; > > > > ; > > ; > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:08 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF > > > > Happened....Explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you think you > > > > > >are going to get every act thats on that life > > > > size > > > > > >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > > > > > > > > > translation: it's all right for promoters to > > > > engage in false advertising > > > > and > > > > > take people's money for a product which they > > do > > > > not intend to provide. in > > > > > the real world, that's called "consumer > > fraud." > > > > perhaps if everyone > > > > holding > > > > > a ticket stub for Area 51--or the next massive > > > > which will, inevitably, > > > > > under-deliver--filed a class-action lawsuit > > > > against the promoter, perhaps > > > > > we'd have fewer rip-off massives...or, at > > least, > > > > fewer rip-off promoters > > > > > (which IMO would be just as good). > > > > > > > > > > --hb > > > > > > > > > > what's so difficult about the concept of > > > > delivering what you promised the > > > > > person who paid you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > _____________________________________________ > > > Moe Tavakoli > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! 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Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69435-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:30:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86533 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:30:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86520 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:30:43 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010723152933.00ba8008@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:31:09 -0700 To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com,sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <20010723221249.26052.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010723220535.81288.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 I don't see you doing any better. Why don't you show us how much better of a promoter you are rather than talking shit about something you don't appear to have a clue about. sarilion At 03:12 PM 7/23/2001 -0700, Moe Tavakoli wrote: >Just a big ass mess created by folks who really don;t >know how to run a business, specially one of this >size! Can't get it right, even now! > >--- Jungle Bunny wrote: > > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, > > love > > > us, or at this > > > point hate us, please hang onto your AREA 51 > > ticket. > > > The reason is, that we > > > (AREA 51) are right now planning our next AREA 51 > > > event. Keep your > > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > > ticket stub, we will > > > accomidate you in some way as well. > > > > ???what about the people who went to meritime, and > > were not allowed to keep a stub???? > > and don't tell me that we got what we paid for in > > SF....because that was the worst party I have ever > > been to. > > > > > > --- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > First off, > > > > > > This post is directly from Greg Sandler (that's > > me), > > > as opposed to the last post which was sent from > > > someone else at the Harmony Productions office. > > > > > > On a more personal note, I wanted to thank > > EVERYONE > > > who came together at the last minute to help our > > > tired, dis-enchanted, and confused crew. If it was > > > not for a few key people (who shall remain > > nameless) > > > we could not have put anything together at the > > last > > > minute. Thank you. > > > > > > As for my personal thought on the event... I had > > my > > > oppositions to moving the event instead of > > > postponing it. But being that we had all of the > > > artists in town and everything else was in place, > > > we figured we should at the very least do > > something > > > small and accomadate all of our ticket holders. It > > > was never our intention to fuck anyone over or > > piss > > > people off, we just wanted to put on a killer > > event > > > with the music that we love. > > > > > > I definately understand that when things don't go > > > right, all the ravers are bound to get pissed. But > > > what I want to explain to all of you, is that we > > > went through a lot of work to get this event to > > > happen. I think it takes balls of steal to put a > > > show together (at the last minute) knowing that no > > > matter what happens, you are going to lose over > > > $100K (due to a smaller capacity). The reason we > > > did that was for all of you. To us, we were going > > to > > > lose that money whether we cancelled or not. In > > > fact, we most likely would have lost less money if > > > we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on > > some > > > level. I am asking you to at least understand our > > > intensions. > > > > > > The people that know and understand what promoters > > > go through in situations like ours, have to at > > least > > > respect us for giving it our best efforts. That is > > > what this rave scene is about, or at least was > > > about.... > > > > > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, > > love > > > us, or at this point hate us, please hang onto > > your > > > AREA 51 ticket. The reason is, that we (AREA 51) > > are > > > right now planning our next AREA 51 event. Keep > > your > > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > > ticket stub, we will accomidate you in some way as > > > well. > > > > > > Peace and love, > > > > > > Greg Sandler > > > > > > > > > ===== > > "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - > > That's my Bush > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >===== >_____________________________________________ >Moe Tavakoli > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69436-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:34:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91368 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:34:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91358 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:34:42 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:34:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 22:34:12.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[98F5CDB0:01C113C7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re:rebirth/maritime/space ship >From: Jess ica >Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] rebirth/maritime/space ship >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT) > > >If there is a guy on this list that remembers having a conversation with a >random girl at Rebirth a couple years ago, on the way up to the top room, >please get back to me. The conversation was concerning dogs, space ships, >and our pretty pieces. > Space ships eh? sounds like you guys need to cut down on your pill intake. At the count of three snap back into reality 1..2..3 ;) -- Emperor "It is one of life's mysteries how an ounce of understanding, cleanses an ocean of mistrust and hate" (The Outer Limits) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69437-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:35:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92612 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:35:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92599 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:35:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723223457.88764.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:34:57 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Ecko , sf Cc: f8 In-Reply-To: <005f01c113bd$c113c6d0$280110ac@nick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: ALL ONE THIS FRIDAY Tickets are going fast this is that ALL ON E party again isnt it? was it worth it last time from anybody who went? --- Ecko wrote: > Hey what's up I just wanted to remind everyone about > this Friday. This party > is fully permitted and is in one location so I hope > to see everyone out > there. The first 25 people to buy tickets from all > outlets will get them for > 15 bucks a piece. We also just added Havoc and the > Intellect Mc's... > > > The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to > reunite as all one. Within in > the past couple of years our Scene has taken major > turns, some in which have > blinded the true vision of our social gatherings > events. > Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between > those that we know and > those we just met. > This year the UVT invites all those that have been > urging to let out their > inner soul, escape within the dance floor and > express their self through out > the pleasure of dance. > This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets > to guarantee your place > at this > Re-Union > > $20.00 advanced tickets > Virgin Indoor out door venue > 100% fully permitted. > 9:00pm till 8:00am > Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face > painting, Energy juices, > And Aliens. > > Area 1 Circle in Unity: > Richard Summerhayes > Jazz-e uvt new resident > Jim Hopkins -uvt > Eric Michelle-uvt > Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > Melanie-love sf > Introducing: Justin Kauai > > > > Area 2 Circle of love: > Keith Edwards- Solid groves > Allen Octavo-FGE > Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > Lsdj > Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > Psykoral - Raven > Tyme -Raven > Celsius - Projekt 9 > Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > > > > Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > Pete Nice W/ Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > KAOS > DRSK > TICAL > Havoc > > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69438-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:35:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92869 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:35:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92835 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:35:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723223459.25939.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com To: Rayn , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened I agree. Big events are great. both from a performer side and the goer side. but being responsible and doing it right are just as important. Support yes, that's why we have the small palces. For mistakes to happen and futures to grow. When you step onto the large scene, both as a performer and a promoter it is a different world. There have been other massives, most have not been disasters like this. Why support and put effort into a failure? Moe. --- Rayn wrote: > Yes, commercialization will happen, people often get > told what to do, how to > dress etc without realizing they're being > brainwashed into it. I'm saying > I'd like to see the scene like the rock and roll > scene. Look at the > parallel. Big Venues - bands who have made it big > and require something big > for lots of fans to come see them. Small clubs - > Local bands or bands > trying to get recognized with locals going to see > them there. Then you > have all the garage bands. There really is no > difference and along the same > lives the local scene vs. global scene will always > have it people who love > the big show and people who would rather see a local > hero in a small club. > I'm just saying there needs to be more support from > every local community to > help set a standard. The small party mystique and > magic is never going to > go away for those who love it, but those acts I used > to see in small clubs > within' the electronic community are now playing > sold out venues and I'd > much rather see them at a massive with tons of > others and some local talent > there to show them up as well. Thats your typical > rock concert. We're > frowned upon because we like to go all night and > when a party gets shut down > early we cry. > We need to help the scene grow up and be respectable > so things like this > DON'T happen. Thats all I'm trying to say. I > believe everyone should get a > refund, but if it can't be done, what is stuff like > lawsuits going to do to > help things next time around. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe Tavakoli" > To: "Rayn" ; > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:53 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF > happened > > > > What your talking about is the commercialization > of > > the scene. Which is now a business and not a > "party." > > He is out to make a buck, if he knew that he > would > > lose money he would not have done it. I don't > dislike > > him either (hell I don;t even know him.) all I'm > > saying is see it as it is. Over promised and not > > delivered, a failure from a business aspect (which > > this is.) Yes, it is a full time job for him, and > > more power to him! He is obviously doing > something he > > likes (and probably making a good sum of cash to > be > > able to take $100k hit.) There were no favors > done > > here, actually I take it back, getting away with > not > > having to refund all the $ and not getting sued > over > > this was a favor done for him by all goers. The > line > > of "lost more money by putting on the show" is > crap. > > The DJs were all rented (no refunds usuallYy) and > > there was no way in hell that they would refund > the > > $42xthe number of tickets. > > > > In a small scale operation, lets say your local > small > > resturant, yes you can go in and tell them how you > > like things and maybe help make it better and > > successful, thats the nature of a community. But > it > > all changes when your talking about large > > events/organizations. Try going into a McDonalds > and > > asking for something off the menu. Like it or not > you > > get what you get and as a consumer you have the > power > > of purchase, if enough people don'y like it, it > will > > change or go away. But keep supporting something > not > > adequate and thats all you'll ever get! > > > > Moe. > > > > --- Rayn wrote: > > > He is doing us a favor. Greg Sandler has total > > > respect from me. I've had > > > nothing but good expieriences from his previous > > > parties so I have no reason > > > to hate him for somthing that didn't go off like > > > planned. Sure he may be out > > > to make a buck but this is also his full time > job > > > and he lost alot of money > > > on it. I'm defending the scene in general. > With > > > how many people want to > > > party now, massives are the only possible > recourse > > > in the next evolution of > > > things. We love the late night. Most "normal" > > > citizens are afraid of > > > anything that has to deal with afterhours stuff. > > > And since we have been so > > > associated with drugs we need to try and get rid > of > > > that image for it to > > > happen. Go to your small parties, I know I > still > > > love them, but when I want > > > to see the big names and have a chance to get in > > > Massives are just about it. > > > We don't need to flame them for trying. Do you > > > think rock and roll had an > > > easy time trying to get to play big venues way > back > > > when. I'm sure they > > > did. The government hated it at the time but > > > finally there was a happy > > > medium that resolved it somehow... (much > lobbying to > > > congress by the RIAA > > > most likely.) > > > I can't see the future so I don't know how this > is > > > going to end. But we all > > > know how it began. By throwing nothing but > > > underground parties that are > > > illegal our message doesn't get out. Now we > need to > > > figure out somehow to > > > transfer the vibe to massives and gain > acceptance by > > > the general populous. > > > These early pioneers of massives aren't going to > get > > > everything right. One > > > of your trusted massive companies you like will > fail > > > at some point in the > > > future. We haven't figured out the whole > equation! > > > And yes, I am an awesome consumer for something > that > > > is new and unperfected. > > > Thats why I beta test software, thats why I go > to a > > > restaurant that is new > > > and tell them how to make things a better > > > expierience for me. Maybe its > > > just me but I'm always out to help people make > > > things better and not > > > criticize bad points without offering a > solution. > > > > > > The only valid comment I've seen so far that I > agree > > > with is to have your > > > venue 100% secured before you promote the hell > out > > > of something even if it > > > includes working on renting two venues at once > and > > > maybe taking as much a > > > profit as you want. > > > > > > -Rayn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Moe Tavakoli" > > > To: "Rayn" ; "DJ Howlin' > Bob" > > > ; > > > ; > > > ; ; > > > ; > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:15 PM > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > You make it sound like he is doing us a favor > for > > > > having these parties! He is out to make a > buck, > > > and > > > > at this point obvious at any cost. I didn't > go, > > > but I > > > > completely disagree with your take one for the > > > team > > > > attitude. If this was the old days (party was > > > small > > > > and free) dealing with issues would not be a > big > > > deal. > > > > This promoter is not promoting a Rave any > more, > > > think > > > > of it like a concert, do you think concert > goers > > > would > > > > settle for this? Think of it as a business! > I > > > guess > > > > you are the best customer a business could > have; > > > get > > > > it wrong and they will still come back. > > > > I do however appreciate your positve outlook, > on > > > going > > > > out and just having a good time (no matter > what.) > > > But > > > > don't create an excuse for some one who is > > > obviously > > > > underqualified. And as for the next party, do > you > > > > think he'll have a party which will be a > complete > > > > loss? No, he'll count on some people losing > > > tickets, > > > > some to not go and then pack the place with a > > > buncha > > > > paying people which will allow him to make a > buck. > > > It > > > > should be another large and not so organized > > > event. > > > > Think of it like the promoter does: a > business! > > > > > > > > Moe. > > > > > > > > --- Rayn wrote: > > > > > This may be true but looking back on the > track > > > > > record of this promoter in > > > > > general, their parties have almost always > gone > > > off. > > > > > Sure it shitty this > > > > > happened and we all hate losing the money > for > > > it, > > > > > but in defense they lost > > > > > alot of money too. > > > > > > > > > > Most of us come from a background of > underground > > > > > raves where everything done > > > > > was illegal. I even remember nights where > the > > > party > > > > > moved three times but > > > > > all acts got to play. Now take this > inflation > > > and > > > > > influx of people who love > > > > > these new massive parties. Everyone outside > our > > > > > circle hates us. In the > > > > > old days, sure we could pack up and move > shop > > > when > > > > > shit hit the fan but not > > > > > anymore. Espicially in an area that is > known > > > for > > > > > the parties and most > > > > > people want them shut down. He lost the > first > > > > > venue. Did he give up? No. > > > > > The second venue would've been just as good > > > except > > > > > for a not-his fault > > > > > situation. Most of your "shady" promoters > > > would've > > > > > given up seeing as how > > > > > the day of the even was the next day. No, > he > > > kept > > > > > going. He still provided > > > > > someplace for you to go and see your DJ's.. > Sure > > > it > > > > > wasn't the ideal > > > > > locations for you, and it was probably just > as > > > less > > > > > ideal for him having to > > > > > decided which sound system was going where, > > > which > > > > > DJ's were going where, how > > > > > to inform the people, etc. > > > > > > > > > > Sure it'd be nice if you could get a refund, > but > > > > > from what. Their money is > > > > > gone. Gone to pay all the djs, the movers, > the > > > > > security, the new venues, > > > > > any permits needed at last second etc.. He > > > still > > > > > has to pay everyone. But > > > > > he's going to try and recover and anyone > with a > > > > > ticket is going to the next > > > > > event in compensation for free. Yet another > loss > > > of > > > > > revenue. Yeah > > > > > class-action lawsuits are good and all (in > > > theory, I > > > > > think its the stupidist > > > > > thing in the world)but what would it do > except > > > > > destroy one of the good > > > > > promoters in the area. If they were filed, > he > > > could > > > > > claim bankruptcy since > > > > > he is a company. > > > > > > > > > > Or do you suck up the loss of $42 measly > > > dollars. > > > > > Put your head on straight > > > > > and think to yourself.. What can I do to > help > > > > > something like this go off and > > > > > get yourself active in the SFLNC. The bay > area > > > > > party scene, anything. > > > > > Remember our roots spread from the idea of > > > > > community. The basis is still > > > > > valid. If you don't have time to contribute > to > > > help > > > > > something other than > > > > > paying money you're not really helping your > > > > > community.. This is the > > > > > equivalent of giving money to chairty or > > > actuially > > > > > going to a homeless > > > > > shelter and offering whatever freetime you > have, > > > or > > > > > planting trees in your > > > > > neighborhood to help brighten it up. If you > > > don't > > > > > take pride in being a bay > > > > > area party kid and just go to a party to see > > > some > > > > > cool music, take some > > > > > drugs and go home liking the whole > expierience > > > or > > > > > being pissed because the > > > > > group throwing it didn't have enough help > and > > > > > support of the community as a > > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > > > We really need to wake up people. Our scene > is > > > > > dying, its slipping, the > > > > > "man" is running us into the ground, too > many > > > people > > > > > are worried about money > > > > > to realize that they can help contribute > other > > > ways > > > > > to help everything as a > > > > > whole.. Theres going to be more and more of > > > this.. > > > > > Massives are an easy > > > > > target to destroy because of how much money > > > flows > > > > > through these things but > > > > > the more "mainstream" we get the more we get > the > > > > > attention of haters. > > > > > Everyone is turning a deaf ear to us because > of > > > our > > > > > own squabbling. We're > > > > > not willing to help those who fail and lift > them > > > up. > > > > > We are very fickle.. > > > > > We praise a great party but the next time > that > > > same > > > > > company throws one and > > > > > it flops they're considered shady promoters. > I > > > see > > > > > it more and more on here > > > > > and its a disease spreading through > everything. > > > > > Planting seeds of hate > > > > > everywhere. I hate coming off sounding like > > > > > PLUR-activist but PLUR > > > > > shouldn't be dead. Its necessary. Turn the > > > other > > > > > cheek. Respect people for > > > > > trying no matter what, if you're a seasoned > vet > > > > > offer some help with the > > > > > next party, if your a newbie promoter, ask > for > > > help. > > > > > Practice PLUR and lead > > > > > by example. Don't shove it down other > peoples > > > > > throats. Just be nice, even > > > > > if someone pisses you off, go away looking > like > > > > > whatever that person did to > > > > > you has not affected you and don't > retaliate. > > > Move > > > > > on and get over it. The > > > > > more you do it the easier it gets. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I'll stop rambling and I see there's > other > > > lists > > > > > in this reply all. > > > > > Take heed or suffer the fate thats happening > all > > > > > around the country and the > > > > > death of scenes everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > I want to be able to rave until the day I > die. > > > It > > > > > an atmosphere with good > > > > > music, good people, DJ's (good or bad), and > good > > > > > times. > > > > > > > > > > I am in no way party of Greg Sandlers crew, > and > > > I'm > > > > > looking into being more > > > > > active with the SFLNC so don't say I'm > trying to > > > > > defend him just because I > > > > > work for him. I believe in the whole idea > as a > > > > > whole. I love you all even > > > > > though most of you will flame me. > > > > > > > > > > -Rayn > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > > > > > > To: ; > > > > > ; > > > > > ; > > > ; > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:08 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF > > > > > Happened....Explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you think you > > > > > > >are going to get every act thats on that > life > > > > > size > > > > > > >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > > > > > > > > > > > translation: it's all right for promoters > to > > > > > engage in false advertising > > > > > and > > > > > > take people's money for a product which > they > > > do > > > > > not intend to provide. in > > > > > > the real world, that's called "consumer > > > fraud." > > > > > perhaps if everyone > > > > > holding > > > > > > a ticket stub for Area 51--or the next > massive > > > > > which will, inevitably, > > > > > > under-deliver--filed a class-action > lawsuit > > > > > against the promoter, perhaps > > > > > > we'd have fewer rip-off massives...or, at > > > least, > > > > > fewer rip-off promoters > > > > > > (which IMO would be just as good). > > > > > > > > > > > > --hb > > > > > > > > > > > > what's so difficult about the concept of > > > > > delivering what you promised the > > > > > > person who paid you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Moe Tavakoli > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Make international calls for as low as > $.04/minute > > > with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69439-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96685 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:36:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96675 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:36:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723223600.45203.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:36:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com To: shaman@bluegreen.org Cc: shaman@bluegreen.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Robert Miles Tomorrow??? Nope, the guy came on and said that Miles couldn't make it. They didn't have the right equip. --- "D.J. Shaman" wrote: > It may look like it, but it sure doesn't sound like > it! I think it's > still the deep house dj on... > At Monday, 23 July 2001, Moe Tavakoli > wrote: > > >Don't know, but it looks like he is on Groovetech > >Seatlle right now. > > > >http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/GT/srvlt/GTController?action=BroadcastCalendar&page=broadcast_live. > > >jsp&StreamName=GT+Radio+Seattle&location=Seattle > > > >--- "D.J. Shaman" wrote: > >> I have heard a rumour that Robert Miles is > playing a > >> free show at > >> the virgin megastore tomorrow. Does anyone else > know > >> about this? > >> What time? Any info? > >> > >> Thx! > >> > >> Baked, Not Fried, > >> Shaman > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > >===== > >_____________________________________________ > >Moe Tavakoli > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > ===== _____________________________________________ Moe Tavakoli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69440-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:39:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1500 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:39:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1489 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:39:51 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.218.202.148] From: "electric joy boy" To: shaman@bluegreen.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:39:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 22:39:21.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[50AEBB60:01C113C8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Robert Miles Tomorrow??? according to the virign website it's true http://www.virginmega.com/default.asp?vms=6 ****** San Francisco Virgin Megastore 07/24/01 - 6PM Robert Miles - Live European house, trance and ambient producer/DJ Robert Miles will spin live in San Francisco to celebrate the release of his latest CD Organik. You may remember his spine tingling dance hit, “Children,” from 1996. If you've never seen the Swiss mixmaster, who took to the decks when he was a mere 13 years old, now's your chance. According to his most recent bio, “There is a Zen-like quiet to Robert Miles. Sitting or standing, he has the ease of someone in balance, at peace with his music and soul.” Due to the whimsical nature of the entertainment industry, events are subject to change without notice. ******* I think I'll be there, ben --- http://bhidalgo.tripod.com >From: "D.J. Shaman" >Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org >To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Robert Miles Tomorrow??? >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:18:01 -0700 > >I have heard a rumour that Robert Miles is playing a free show at >the virgin megastore tomorrow. Does anyone else know about this? >What time? Any info? > >Thx! > >Baked, Not Fried, >Shaman > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69441-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:43:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5247 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:43:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5218 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:43:35 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010723153228.00bae658@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:44:03 -0700 To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com,Rayn ,sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <20010723215358.80703.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened At 02:53 PM 7/23/2001 -0700, Moe Tavakoli wrote: >What your talking about is the commercialization of >the scene. Which is now a business and not a "party." > He is out to make a buck, if he knew that he would >lose money he would not have done it. I don't dislike >him either (hell I don;t even know him.) You have the nerve to say someone is out for money, and you admit that you don't know anything about him, in the same paragraph. >all I'm >saying is see it as it is. Over promised and not >delivered, a failure from a business aspect (which >this is.) Yes, it is a full time job for him, and >more power to him! He is obviously doing something he >likes (and probably making a good sum of cash to be >able to take $100k hit.) You know this without knowing Greg - where are you getting your information from, exactly? He took, along with Harmony, a hard hit this weekend. I don't think his financial recovery is going to be quick, let alone would he be able to take it all at once. Let me give you a clue: Harmony is about throwing good parties, not making tons of money. Don't confuse them with other massive promoters like Coolworld (among others). > There were no favors done >here, actually I take it back, getting away with not >having to refund all the $ and not getting sued over >this was a favor done for him by all goers. Right, because all the ticket holders A) Were guaranteed to see all artists B) Have the resources available to sue anyone C) Are petty enough to fight for $40, when they know it will be made up to them. >The line >of "lost more money by putting on the show" is crap. >The DJs were all rented (no refunds usuallYy) and >there was no way in hell that they would refund the >$42xthe number of tickets. Permitting TWO additional locations, paying for new security, setup, moving everything - this was all labor driven, and therefore cost money. I'm wiling to bet Greg and the other Promoters borrowed money to invest in the party, much the way you may someday wish to take out a loan for a new car or house. The investors have to be paid back, at the expense of the party goers, who can be paid back in other ways, at other times. If you had any business sense, you would have already understood this. sarilion --- Rayn wrote: > > He is doing us a favor. Greg Sandler has total > > respect from me. I've had > > nothing but good expieriences from his previous > > parties so I have no reason > > to hate him for somthing that didn't go off like > > planned. Sure he may be out > > to make a buck but this is also his full time job > > and he lost alot of money > > on it. I'm defending the scene in general. With > > how many people want to > > party now, massives are the only possible recourse > > in the next evolution of > > things. We love the late night. Most "normal" > > citizens are afraid of > > anything that has to deal with afterhours stuff. > > And since we have been so > > associated with drugs we need to try and get rid of > > that image for it to > > happen. Go to your small parties, I know I still > > love them, but when I want > > to see the big names and have a chance to get in > > Massives are just about it. > > We don't need to flame them for trying. Do you > > think rock and roll had an > > easy time trying to get to play big venues way back > > when. I'm sure they > > did. The government hated it at the time but > > finally there was a happy > > medium that resolved it somehow... (much lobbying to > > congress by the RIAA > > most likely.) > > I can't see the future so I don't know how this is > > going to end. But we all > > know how it began. By throwing nothing but > > underground parties that are > > illegal our message doesn't get out. Now we need to > > figure out somehow to > > transfer the vibe to massives and gain acceptance by > > the general populous. > > These early pioneers of massives aren't going to get > > everything right. One > > of your trusted massive companies you like will fail > > at some point in the > > future. We haven't figured out the whole equation! > > And yes, I am an awesome consumer for something that > > is new and unperfected. > > Thats why I beta test software, thats why I go to a > > restaurant that is new > > and tell them how to make things a better > > expierience for me. Maybe its > > just me but I'm always out to help people make > > things better and not > > criticize bad points without offering a solution. > > > > The only valid comment I've seen so far that I agree > > with is to have your > > venue 100% secured before you promote the hell out > > of something even if it > > includes working on renting two venues at once and > > maybe taking as much a > > profit as you want. > > > > -Rayn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Moe Tavakoli" > > To: "Rayn" ; "DJ Howlin' Bob" > > ; > > ; > > ; ; > > ; > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF > > happened > > > > > > > You make it sound like he is doing us a favor for > > > having these parties! He is out to make a buck, > > and > > > at this point obvious at any cost. I didn't go, > > but I > > > completely disagree with your take one for the > > team > > > attitude. If this was the old days (party was > > small > > > and free) dealing with issues would not be a big > > deal. > > > This promoter is not promoting a Rave any more, > > think > > > of it like a concert, do you think concert goers > > would > > > settle for this? Think of it as a business! I > > guess > > > you are the best customer a business could have; > > get > > > it wrong and they will still come back. > > > I do however appreciate your positve outlook, on > > going > > > out and just having a good time (no matter what.) > > But > > > don't create an excuse for some one who is > > obviously > > > underqualified. And as for the next party, do you > > > think he'll have a party which will be a complete > > > loss? No, he'll count on some people losing > > tickets, > > > some to not go and then pack the place with a > > buncha > > > paying people which will allow him to make a buck. > > It > > > should be another large and not so organized > > event. > > > Think of it like the promoter does: a business! > > > > > > Moe. > > > > > > --- Rayn wrote: > > > > This may be true but looking back on the track > > > > record of this promoter in > > > > general, their parties have almost always gone > > off. > > > > Sure it shitty this > > > > happened and we all hate losing the money for > > it, > > > > but in defense they lost > > > > alot of money too. > > > > > > > > Most of us come from a background of underground > > > > raves where everything done > > > > was illegal. I even remember nights where the > > party > > > > moved three times but > > > > all acts got to play. Now take this inflation > > and > > > > influx of people who love > > > > these new massive parties. Everyone outside our > > > > circle hates us. In the > > > > old days, sure we could pack up and move shop > > when > > > > shit hit the fan but not > > > > anymore. Espicially in an area that is known > > for > > > > the parties and most > > > > people want them shut down. He lost the first > > > > venue. Did he give up? No. > > > > The second venue would've been just as good > > except > > > > for a not-his fault > > > > situation. Most of your "shady" promoters > > would've > > > > given up seeing as how > > > > the day of the even was the next day. No, he > > kept > > > > going. He still provided > > > > someplace for you to go and see your DJ's.. Sure > > it > > > > wasn't the ideal > > > > locations for you, and it was probably just as > > less > > > > ideal for him having to > > > > decided which sound system was going where, > > which > > > > DJ's were going where, how > > > > to inform the people, etc. > > > > > > > > Sure it'd be nice if you could get a refund, but > > > > from what. Their money is > > > > gone. Gone to pay all the djs, the movers, the > > > > security, the new venues, > > > > any permits needed at last second etc.. He > > still > > > > has to pay everyone. But > > > > he's going to try and recover and anyone with a > > > > ticket is going to the next > > > > event in compensation for free. Yet another loss > > of > > > > revenue. Yeah > > > > class-action lawsuits are good and all (in > > theory, I > > > > think its the stupidist > > > > thing in the world)but what would it do except > > > > destroy one of the good > > > > promoters in the area. If they were filed, he > > could > > > > claim bankruptcy since > > > > he is a company. > > > > > > > > Or do you suck up the loss of $42 measly > > dollars. > > > > Put your head on straight > > > > and think to yourself.. What can I do to help > > > > something like this go off and > > > > get yourself active in the SFLNC. The bay area > > > > party scene, anything. > > > > Remember our roots spread from the idea of > > > > community. The basis is still > > > > valid. If you don't have time to contribute to > > help > > > > something other than > > > > paying money you're not really helping your > > > > community.. This is the > > > > equivalent of giving money to chairty or > > actuially > > > > going to a homeless > > > > shelter and offering whatever freetime you have, > > or > > > > planting trees in your > > > > neighborhood to help brighten it up. If you > > don't > > > > take pride in being a bay > > > > area party kid and just go to a party to see > > some > > > > cool music, take some > > > > drugs and go home liking the whole expierience > > or > > > > being pissed because the > > > > group throwing it didn't have enough help and > > > > support of the community as a > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > We really need to wake up people. Our scene is > > > > dying, its slipping, the > > > > "man" is running us into the ground, too many > > people > > > > are worried about money > > > > to realize that they can help contribute other > > ways > > > > to help everything as a > > > > whole.. Theres going to be more and more of > > this.. > > > > Massives are an easy > > > > target to destroy because of how much money > > flows > > > > through these things but > > > > the more "mainstream" we get the more we get the > > > > attention of haters. > > > > Everyone is turning a deaf ear to us because of > > our > > > > own squabbling. We're > > > > not willing to help those who fail and lift them > > up. > > > > We are very fickle.. > > > > We praise a great party but the next time that > > same > > > > company throws one and > > > > it flops they're considered shady promoters. I > > see > > > > it more and more on here > > > > and its a disease spreading through everything. > > > > Planting seeds of hate > > > > everywhere. I hate coming off sounding like > > > > PLUR-activist but PLUR > > > > shouldn't be dead. Its necessary. Turn the > > other > > > > cheek. Respect people for > > > > trying no matter what, if you're a seasoned vet > > > > offer some help with the > > > > next party, if your a newbie promoter, ask for > > help. > > > > Practice PLUR and lead > > > > by example. Don't shove it down other peoples > > > > throats. Just be nice, even > > > > if someone pisses you off, go away looking like > > > > whatever that person did to > > > > you has not affected you and don't retaliate. > > Move > > > > on and get over it. The > > > > more you do it the easier it gets. > > > > > > > > Ok, I'll stop rambling and I see there's other > > lists > > > > in this reply all. > > > > Take heed or suffer the fate thats happening all > > > > around the country and the > > > > death of scenes everywhere. > > > > > > > > I want to be able to rave until the day I die. > > It > > > > an atmosphere with good > > > > music, good people, DJ's (good or bad), and good > > > > times. > > > > > > > > I am in no way party of Greg Sandlers crew, and > > I'm > > > > looking into being more > > > > active with the SFLNC so don't say I'm trying to > > > > defend him just because I > > > > work for him. I believe in the whole idea as a > > > > whole. I love you all even > > > > though most of you will flame me. > > > > > > > > -Rayn > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > > > > To: ; > > > > ; > > > > ; > > ; > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:08 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF > > > > Happened....Explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you think you > > > > > >are going to get every act thats on that life > > > > size > > > > > >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > > > > > > > > > translation: it's all right for promoters to > > > > engage in false advertising > > > > and > > > > > take people's money for a product which they > > do > > > > not intend to provide. in > > > > > the real world, that's called "consumer > > fraud." > > > > perhaps if everyone > > > > holding > > > > > a ticket stub for Area 51--or the next massive > > > > which will, inevitably, > > > > > under-deliver--filed a class-action lawsuit > > > > against the promoter, perhaps > > > > > we'd have fewer rip-off massives...or, at > > least, > > > > fewer rip-off promoters > > > > > (which IMO would be just as good). > > > > > > > > > > --hb > > > > > > > > > > what's so difficult about the concept of > > > > delivering what you promised the > > > > > person who paid you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > _____________________________________________ > > > Moe Tavakoli > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! 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Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69442-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:48:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10459 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:48:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10449 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:48:08 -0000 To: "electric joy boy" From: "D.J. Shaman" Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org CC: shaman@bluegreen.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:48:55 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-201-80-59.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.59]; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:47:56 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Robert Miles Tomorrow??? Damn, too early for me to make it. Have fun everyone that goes! I really liked this quote though; >Due to the whimsical nature of the entertainment industry, events are >subject to change without notice. >******* hahahahh really. Baked, Not Fried, Shaman At Monday, 23 July 2001, "electric joy boy" wrote: >according to the virign website it's true >http://www.virginmega.com/default.asp?vms=6 > >****** >San Francisco Virgin Megastore >07/24/01 - 6PM >Robert Miles - Live >European house, trance and ambient producer/DJ Robert Miles will spin live >in San Francisco to celebrate the release of his latest CD Organik. You may >remember his spine tingling dance hit, “Children,” from 1996. If you've >never seen the Swiss mixmaster, who took to the decks when he was a mere 13 >years old, now's your chance. According to his most recent bio, “There is a >Zen-like quiet to Robert Miles. Sitting or standing, he has the ease of >someone in balance, at peace with his music and soul.” > > >I think I'll be there, >ben >--- >http://bhidalgo.tripod.com > >>From: "D.J. Shaman" >>Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org >>To: frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: [sfraves] Robert Miles Tomorrow??? >>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:18:01 -0700 >> >>I have heard a rumour that Robert Miles is playing a free show at >>the virgin megastore tomorrow. Does anyone else know about this? >>What time? Any info? >> >>Thx! >> >>Baked, Not Fried, >>Shaman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl. asp > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69443-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:53:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15154 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:53:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15143 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:53:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "Ecko" , "sf" Cc: "f8" References: <005f01c113bd$c113c6d0$280110ac@nick> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:53:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 22:52:49.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[3279A900:01C113CA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP: ALL ONE THIS FRIDAY Tickets are going fast Is the Dj KAOS that is performing in the Garden of Freedom the Happycore Producer Dj KAOS? Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Sent: July 23, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: [sfraves] BSP: ALL ONE THIS FRIDAY Tickets are going fast > Hey what's up I just wanted to remind everyone about this Friday. This party > is fully permitted and is in one location so I hope to see everyone out > there. The first 25 people to buy tickets from all outlets will get them for > 15 bucks a piece. We also just added Havoc and the Intellect Mc's... > > > The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within in > the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which have > blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. > Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and > those we just met. > This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out their > inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self through out > the pleasure of dance. > This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your place > at this > Re-Union > > $20.00 advanced tickets > Virgin Indoor out door venue > 100% fully permitted. > 9:00pm till 8:00am > Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy juices, > And Aliens. > > Area 1 Circle in Unity: > Richard Summerhayes > Jazz-e uvt new resident > Jim Hopkins -uvt > Eric Michelle-uvt > Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > Melanie-love sf > Introducing: Justin Kauai > > > > Area 2 Circle of love: > Keith Edwards- Solid groves > Allen Octavo-FGE > Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > Lsdj > Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > Psykoral - Raven > Tyme -Raven > Celsius - Projekt 9 > Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > > > > Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > Pete Nice W/ Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > KAOS > DRSK > TICAL > Havoc > > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69444-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:54:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16587 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:54:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16575 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:54:08 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <003001c113ca$4122b640$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "sfraves" , , "DJ D LIST" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:53:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1138F.940B3CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **********FIESTA***FIESTA*********** ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1138F.940B3CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nightlife Productions Presents... 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-69445-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:56:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20042 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:56:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20027 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:56:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723225640.95105.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:56:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: His Highness , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1152816321-995929000=:94920" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re:rebirth/maritime/space ship --0-1152816321-995929000=:94920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii actually i was chill on the pills, but that fun guy had the best of me.... See ya later, your "highness", hehe.... Jess His Highness wrote: >From: Jess ica >Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] rebirth/maritime/space ship >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT) > > >If there is a guy on this list that remembers having a conversation with a >random girl at Rebirth a couple years ago, on the way up to the top room, >please get back to me. The conversation was concerning dogs, space ships, >and our pretty pieces. > Space ships eh? sounds like you guys need to cut down on your pill intake. At the count of three snap back into reality 1..2..3 ;) -- Emperor "It is one of life's mysteries how an ounce of understanding, cleanses an ocean of mistrust and hate" (The Outer Limits) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Ice works better when it is frozen.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1152816321-995929000=:94920-- From sfraves-return-69446-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:57:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21328 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:57:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21318 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:57:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010723225701.50569.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com To: Raver , Rayn , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20010723153228.00bae658@qix.netcorps.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened So he had no intension to make money? Did the investors? did some one? The economy is built on people selling services and goods to others and making a profit. Nothing wrong with that, not at all! In this case a product was promised, sold and never delivered. Imagine buying a car. They then delivered two Yugo's instead of the BMW, what would you do? If you'd just shut up and take it, then let me know when your buying. Some one (everyone) involved was going to make money, and they should have, if they delivered the goods! Why would some one throw a big party? Money... ok, lets say no.... then what, it is for fame, recognition and providing a good tim eto others. OK, maybe it wasn;t money, but there was something to be gained, and at this point, at all the goers expense. > C) Are petty enough to fight for $40, when they know > it will be made up to > them. Petty? I guess you have too much money for your own good. $40 may not be much, but it is something. Why don;t you send me $40? or are you too petty? Made up to them? Considering other "promises" we've heard from this group, I doubt any one is holding their breath. > Permitting TWO additional locations, paying for new > security, setup, moving > everything - this was all labor driven, and > therefore cost money. I'm > wiling to bet Greg and the other Promoters borrowed > money to invest in the > party, much the way you may someday wish to take out > a loan for a new car > or house. The investors have to be paid back, at > the expense of the party > goers, who can be paid back in other ways, at other > times. If you had any > business sense, you would have already understood > this. Actually thats called a lender. And no shit some money was borrowed and has to be paid back. Thats called risk, everyone takes some in business. Risk vs. reward. This time it didn't work out as planned. Try to be objective for once and evaluate the situation. Not the people involved, not the intension, but the pure facts and then call me crazy. Moe. --- Raver wrote: > At 02:53 PM 7/23/2001 -0700, Moe Tavakoli wrote: > >What your talking about is the commercialization of > >the scene. Which is now a business and not a > "party." > > He is out to make a buck, if he knew that he > would > >lose money he would not have done it. I don't > dislike > >him either (hell I don;t even know him.) > > You have the nerve to say someone is out for money, > and you admit that you > don't know anything about him, in the same > paragraph. > > >all I'm > >saying is see it as it is. Over promised and not > >delivered, a failure from a business aspect (which > >this is.) Yes, it is a full time job for him, and > >more power to him! He is obviously doing something > he > >likes (and probably making a good sum of cash to be > >able to take $100k hit.) > > You know this without knowing Greg - where are you > getting your information > from, exactly? He took, along with Harmony, a hard > hit this weekend. I > don't think his financial recovery is going to be > quick, let alone would he > be able to take it all at once. Let me give you a > clue: Harmony is about > throwing good parties, not making tons of money. > Don't confuse them with > other massive promoters like Coolworld (among > others). > > > There were no favors done > >here, actually I take it back, getting away with > not > >having to refund all the $ and not getting sued > over > >this was a favor done for him by all goers. > > Right, because all the ticket holders > > A) Were guaranteed to see all artists > > B) Have the resources available to sue anyone > > C) Are petty enough to fight for $40, when they know > it will be made up to > them. > > >The line > >of "lost more money by putting on the show" is > crap. > >The DJs were all rented (no refunds usuallYy) and > >there was no way in hell that they would refund the > >$42xthe number of tickets. > > Permitting TWO additional locations, paying for new > security, setup, moving > everything - this was all labor driven, and > therefore cost money. I'm > wiling to bet Greg and the other Promoters borrowed > money to invest in the > party, much the way you may someday wish to take out > a loan for a new car > or house. The investors have to be paid back, at > the expense of the party > goers, who can be paid back in other ways, at other > times. If you had any > business sense, you would have already understood > this. > > sarilion > > --- Rayn wrote: > > > He is doing us a favor. Greg Sandler has total > > > respect from me. I've had > > > nothing but good expieriences from his previous > > > parties so I have no reason > > > to hate him for somthing that didn't go off like > > > planned. Sure he may be out > > > to make a buck but this is also his full time > job > > > and he lost alot of money > > > on it. I'm defending the scene in general. > With > > > how many people want to > > > party now, massives are the only possible > recourse > > > in the next evolution of > > > things. We love the late night. Most "normal" > > > citizens are afraid of > > > anything that has to deal with afterhours stuff. > > > And since we have been so > > > associated with drugs we need to try and get rid > of > > > that image for it to > > > happen. Go to your small parties, I know I > still > > > love them, but when I want > > > to see the big names and have a chance to get in > > > Massives are just about it. > > > We don't need to flame them for trying. Do you > > > think rock and roll had an > > > easy time trying to get to play big venues way > back > > > when. I'm sure they > > > did. The government hated it at the time but > > > finally there was a happy > > > medium that resolved it somehow... (much > lobbying to > > > congress by the RIAA > > > most likely.) > > > I can't see the future so I don't know how this > is > > > going to end. But we all > > > know how it began. By throwing nothing but > > > underground parties that are > > > illegal our message doesn't get out. Now we > need to > > > figure out somehow to > > > transfer the vibe to massives and gain > acceptance by > > > the general populous. > > > These early pioneers of massives aren't going to > get > > > everything right. One > > > of your trusted massive companies you like will > fail > > > at some point in the > > > future. We haven't figured out the whole > equation! > > > And yes, I am an awesome consumer for something > that > > > is new and unperfected. > > > Thats why I beta test software, thats why I go > to a > > > restaurant that is new > > > and tell them how to make things a better > > > expierience for me. Maybe its > > > just me but I'm always out to help people make > > > things better and not > > > criticize bad points without offering a > solution. > > > > > > The only valid comment I've seen so far that I > agree > > > with is to have your > > > venue 100% secured before you promote the hell > out > > > of something even if it > > > includes working on renting two venues at once > and > > > maybe taking as much a > > > profit as you want. > > > > > > -Rayn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Moe Tavakoli" > > > To: "Rayn" ; "DJ Howlin' > Bob" > > > ; > > > ; > > > ; ; > > > ; > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:15 PM > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > You make it sound like he is doing us a favor > for > > > > having these parties! He is out to make a > buck, > > > and > > > > at this point obvious at any cost. I didn't > go, > > > but I > > > > completely disagree with your take one for the > > > team > > > > attitude. If this was the old days (party was > > > small > > > > and free) dealing with issues would not be a > big > > > deal. > > > > This promoter is not promoting a Rave any > more, > > > think > > > > of it like a concert, do you think concert > goers > > > would > > > > settle for this? Think of it as a business! > I > > > guess > > > > you are the best customer a business could > have; > > > get > > > > it wrong and they will still come back. > > > > I do however appreciate your positve outlook, > on > > > going > > > > out and just having a good time (no matter > what.) > > > But > > > > don't create an excuse for some one who is > > > obviously > > > > underqualified. And as for the next party, do > you > > > > think he'll have a party which will be a > complete > > > > loss? No, he'll count on some people losing > > > tickets, > > > > some to not go and then pack the place with a > > > buncha > > > > paying people which will allow him to make a > buck. > > > It > > > > should be another large and not so organized > > > event. > > > > Think of it like the promoter does: a > business! > > > > > > > > Moe. > > > > > > > > --- Rayn wrote: > > > > > This may be true but looking back on the > track > > > > > record of this promoter in > > > > > general, their parties have almost always > gone > > > off. > > > > > Sure it shitty this > > > > > happened and we all hate losing the money > for > > > it, > > > > > but in defense they lost > > > > > alot of money too. > > > > > > > > > > Most of us come from a background of > underground > > > > > raves where everything done > > > > > was illegal. I even remember nights where > the > > > party > > > > > moved three times but > > > > > all acts got to play. Now take this > inflation > > > and > > > > > influx of people who love > > > > > these new massive parties. Everyone outside > our > > > > > circle hates us. In the > > > > > old days, sure we could pack up and move > shop > > > when > > > > > shit hit the fan but not > > > > > anymore. Espicially in an area that is > known > > > for > > > > > the parties and most > > > > > people want them shut down. He lost the > first > > > > > venue. Did he give up? No. > > > > > The second venue would've been just as good > > > except > > > > > for a not-his fault > > > > > situation. Most of your "shady" promoters > > > would've > > > > > given up seeing as how > > > > > the day of the even was the next day. No, > he > > > kept > > > > > going. He still provided > > > > > someplace for you to go and see your DJ's.. > Sure > > > it > > > > > wasn't the ideal > > > > > locations for you, and it was probably just > as > > > less > > > > > ideal for him having to > > > > > decided which sound system was going where, > > > which > > > > > DJ's were going where, how > > > > > to inform the people, etc. > > > > > > > > > > Sure it'd be nice if you could get a refund, > but > > > > > from what. Their money is > > > > > gone. Gone to pay all the djs, the movers, > the > > > > > security, the new venues, > > > > > any permits needed at last second etc.. He > > > still > > > > > has to pay everyone. But > > > > > he's going to try and recover and anyone > with a > > > > > ticket is going to the next > > > > > event in compensation for free. Yet another > loss > > > of > > > > > revenue. Yeah > > > > > class-action lawsuits are good and all (in > > > theory, I > > > > > think its the stupidist > > > > > thing in the world)but what would it do > except > > > > > destroy one of the good > > > > > promoters in the area. If they were filed, > he > > > could > > > > > claim bankruptcy since > > > > > he is a company. > > > > > > > > > > Or do you suck up the loss of $42 measly > > > dollars. > > > > > Put your head on straight > > > > > and think to yourself.. What can I do to > help > > > > > something like this go off and > > > > > get yourself active in the SFLNC. The bay > area > > > > > party scene, anything. > > > > > Remember our roots spread from the idea of > > > > > community. The basis is still > > > > > valid. If you don't have time to contribute > to > > > help > > > > > something other than > > > > > paying money you're not really helping your > > > > > community.. This is the > > > > > equivalent of giving money to chairty or > > > actuially > > > > > going to a homeless > > > > > shelter and offering whatever freetime you > have, > > > or > > > > > planting trees in your > > > > > neighborhood to help brighten it up. If you > > > don't > > > > > take pride in being a bay > > > > > area party kid and just go to a party to see > > > some > > > > > cool music, take some > > > > > drugs and go home liking the whole > expierience > > > or > > > > > being pissed because the > > > > > group throwing it didn't have enough help > and > > > > > support of the community as a > > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > > > We really need to wake up people. Our scene > is > > > > > dying, its slipping, the > > > > > "man" is running us into the ground, too > many > > > people > > > > > are worried about money > > > > > to realize that they can help contribute > other > > > ways > > > > > to help everything as a > > > > > whole.. Theres going to be more and more of > > > this.. > > > > > Massives are an easy > > > > > target to destroy because of how much money > > > flows > > > > > through these things but > > > > > the more "mainstream" we get the more we get > the > > > > > attention of haters. > > > > > Everyone is turning a deaf ear to us because > of > > > our > > > > > own squabbling. We're > > > > > not willing to help those who fail and lift > them > > > up. > > > > > We are very fickle.. > > > > > We praise a great party but the next time > that > > > same > > > > > company throws one and > > > > > it flops they're considered shady promoters. > I > > > see > > > > > it more and more on here > > > > > and its a disease spreading through > everything. > > > > > Planting seeds of hate > > > > > everywhere. I hate coming off sounding like > > > > > PLUR-activist but PLUR > > > > > shouldn't be dead. Its necessary. Turn the > > > other > > > > > cheek. Respect people for > > > > > trying no matter what, if you're a seasoned > vet > > > > > offer some help with the > > > > > next party, if your a newbie promoter, ask > for > > > help. > > > > > Practice PLUR and lead > > > > > by example. Don't shove it down other > peoples > > > > > throats. Just be nice, even > > > > > if someone pisses you off, go away looking > like > > > > > whatever that person did to > > > > > you has not affected you and don't > retaliate. > > > Move > > > > > on and get over it. The > > > > > more you do it the easier it gets. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I'll stop rambling and I see there's > other > > > lists > > > > > in this reply all. > > > > > Take heed or suffer the fate thats happening > all > > > > > around the country and the > > > > > death of scenes everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > I want to be able to rave until the day I > die. > > > It > > > > > an atmosphere with good > > > > > music, good people, DJ's (good or bad), and > good > > > > > times. > > > > > > > > > > I am in no way party of Greg Sandlers crew, > and > > > I'm > > > > > looking into being more > > > > > active with the SFLNC so don't say I'm > trying to > > > > > defend him just because I > > > > > work for him. I believe in the whole idea > as a > > > > > whole. I love you all even > > > > > though most of you will flame me. > > > > > > > > > > -Rayn > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > > > > > > To: ; > > > > > ; > > > > > ; > > > ; > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:08 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF > > > > > Happened....Explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you think you > > > > > > >are going to get every act thats on that > life > > > > > size > > > > > > >poster, then you are just plain naive. > > > > > > > > > > > > translation: it's all right for promoters > to > > > > > engage in false advertising > > > > > and > > > > > > take people's money for a product which > they > > > do > > > > > not intend to provide. in > > > > > > the real world, that's called "consumer > > > fraud." > > > > > perhaps if everyone > > > > > holding > > > > > > a ticket stub for Area 51--or the next > massive > > > > > which will, inevitably, > > > > > > under-deliver--filed a class-action > lawsuit > > > > > against the promoter, perhaps > > > > > > we'd have fewer rip-off massives...or, at > > > least, > > > > > fewer rip-off promoters > > > > > > (which IMO would be just as good). > > > > > > > > > > > > --hb > > > > > > > > > > > > what's so difficult about the concept of > > > > > delivering what you promised the > > > > > > person who paid you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Moe Tavakoli > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Make international calls for as low as > $.04/minute > > > with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69447-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 22:58:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23410 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:58:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23399 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:58:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.197.85.162] From: "trance fiend" To: ampedgirly@yahoo.com, jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:57:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 22:57:55.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8B82BB0:01C113CA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question about Nocturnal Wonderland i've gone to the last two nocturnals held.....the site is always outside of LA held somewhere in the desert.....if you wanna keep up with the info on this party, here's the web site http://www.nocturnalwonderland.com no info is released yet, but i can almost gurarntee you rabbit in the moon will be there.....i absolutely hate massives, but nocturnal is put together so incredibly well i've never have a problem with this party....insomniac always delivers on everything promised and without fail....at least so far this has been my personal experience with them.....insomniac is a quality production company that can most definately be trusted on their word, as well as deliver who they promise on their flyers.....i'll definately be in attendance again this year =) little matt >From: angela >To: jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Question about Nocturnal Wonderland >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:30:36 -0700 (PDT) > >i don't think they've released that info yet but i know >they're trying to get the indio polo fields. but this is >just info heard through the grapevine and you know how >reliable that can be! but no matter who's there or where >it's at i'll be down there for sure! >peace >angela >--- Jaemi Swope wrote: > > has anyone heard the lineup or the location of this > > party in LA? i would appreciate any help... > > > > jaemi > > > > ===== > > _____________________________ > > Jaemi Swope > > Promotions/PR > > Juice Recordings > > jaemigirl@juicerecordings.com > > www.gotjuice.com > > Cell: 703-623-0481 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > > Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69448-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 23:05:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30664 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 23:05:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30654 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 23:05:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.67] From: "Cheese" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , , "f8" References: <005f01c113bd$c113c6d0$280110ac@nick> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:05:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 23:05:09.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB7C8660:01C113CB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: BSP: ALL ONE THIS FRIDAY Tickets are going fast I still have tickets from the last one... the one that got busted... will the tickets be honored this friday? -Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: F8: BSP: ALL ONE THIS FRIDAY Tickets are going fast > Hey what's up I just wanted to remind everyone about this Friday. This party > is fully permitted and is in one location so I hope to see everyone out > there. The first 25 people to buy tickets from all outlets will get them for > 15 bucks a piece. We also just added Havoc and the Intellect Mc's... > > > The Unity Vibe Tribe invites you once again to reunite as all one. Within in > the past couple of years our Scene has taken major turns, some in which have > blinded the true vision of our social gatherings events. > Music and Unity, creating a positive vibe between those that we know and > those we just met. > This year the UVT invites all those that have been urging to let out their > inner soul, escape within the dance floor and express their self through out > the pleasure of dance. > This event will sell out, Purchase advanced tickets to guarantee your place > at this > Re-Union > > $20.00 advanced tickets > Virgin Indoor out door venue > 100% fully permitted. > 9:00pm till 8:00am > Aromatherapy, Reki energy healing, Massages, Face painting, Energy juices, > And Aliens. > > Area 1 Circle in Unity: > Richard Summerhayes > Jazz-e uvt new resident > Jim Hopkins -uvt > Eric Michelle-uvt > Kevin Kind-journees www.dubcoast.com > Jesse Gonzalez- krate records > Melanie-love sf > Introducing: Justin Kauai > > > > Area 2 Circle of love: > Keith Edwards- Solid groves > Allen Octavo-FGE > Aaron Lewis- Oldschoolfunk > Lsdj > Kir Kryyn- Halogen Collective > Psykoral - Raven > Tyme -Raven > Celsius - Projekt 9 > Eckö - UVT, core:NRG > > > > Area 3 Garden of Freedom: > Pete Nice W/ Mc RaggaBanTon / ILLUMINATION > Dj Moo Moo / PHAT COW > KAOS > DRSK > TICAL > Havoc > > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69449-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 23:14:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38996 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 23:14:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38962 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 23:14:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:13:49 -0700 Message-Id: <200107232313.QAA04691@mail19.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.20.226.66] From: "Goa Graver" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] A51 was 86'ed WOW. Sounds like a lot of Drama. Glad I was at the Burningman party at Pier 35. I know I had fun. Id rather play in a cat litter than go to a massive, but thats just me :) Yes, a dirty cat litter. "Come on and lay with me Come on and lie to me Tell me you love me Say I'm the only one" Depeche Mode, Lie to Me ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com all things trance at http://www.futuretrance.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69450-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 23:22:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45607 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 23:22:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45595 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 23:22:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "SF RAVES" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:31:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C11394.F0EAECE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 23:22:19.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[51CD3C00:01C113CE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Party permits question ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C11394.F0EAECE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was just kinda wondering if any one knew how far in advance = permits (i dont evan know wich ones you need) for a party could be = had... Just it seams like of late parties have just been either = squeeking threw with there permits or not getting them done all the way = or to the cops it doesnt matter that they have them.=20 And on a side note... I crews would stop advertising fully permited = before they get the permits... I see that all the time on flyers for = parties that I know dont have venues yet so i know they couldnt be = permited but there it is in print 100% fully permited. It would be = better in my mind if you didnt put that on your promotions. Just MHO Dancin for SMILES =3D) Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C11394.F0EAECE0-- From sfraves-return-69451-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 23:25:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48337 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 23:25:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48327 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 23:25:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: tina pruett To: Becca Plevin , lyds@home.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <5636311.995930691756.JavaMail.MoonChyId@gomailjtp02> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =) yeah becca, and you still owe me breakfast =3D=DE jk love and hugs and kisses, tina -----Original Message----- From: "Becca Plevin" To: lyds@home.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Mon Jul 23 14:07:03 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: [sfraves] CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =3D) >Woo hoo- I guess reviews are better late than never, so here goes.... CF= =20 >presented another great night for all of us on the beach. The lack of musi= c=20 >for a couple hours didn't bother me at all- I had a chance to run around a= nd=20 >reconnect with some people who I hadn't seen in quite a while, and to take= a=20 >fun trip down the beach with Alida, Osby, and Ira. It was nice to see=20 >everyone that was at the CF 6 year dancing along side a bunch of us young= =20 >uns. :-) The music ran the gamut of styles, all of which somehow seemed to= =20 >fit perfectly with the setting and mood of the party, and I was just glad = to=20 >get some sort of workout from dancing with Alida on the sand. > >We made plans to all go to Denny's in the morning, but in the end I wussed= =20 >out, both because I had to be up to set up for Area 51 and because I didn'= t=20 >think it was fair to ask Ira to get on a plane at 11 am without a shower.= =20 >Although we both considered it- Denny's in the morning with everyone sound= ed=20 >like a perfect way to end a great night. > >So thanks, CF, for another kick ass night of friends, fun, and dancing. > >Becca > >>From: "(_lydia_W_)" >>To: osby@ratkoonrat.net >>CC: The_List >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =3D) >>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:05:03 -0700 >> >>Cloudfactory was an awesome party for sure... I got there just as the cre= w=20 >>was getting there around 12 so we helped them carry stuff down and then= =20 >>directed people who were confused by the directions which weren't very=20 >>clear. Got to meet Scott Nelson and some of the other CF peeps which was= =20 >>cool:) 7 years.. wow.. I felt special just being there. I was dissapoint= ed=20 >>that I didn't get to actually hang out on the beach more and had to leave= =20 >>so early so that I could get home by 6 and then sleep a little before Are= a=20 >>51. Saw a lot of friends and confused Tina who didn't know who the hell= =20 >>was hugging her. Went on a beach adventure with Ryan, Miki, Jason, and= =20 >>Marshall to find sparkling sand. I was really only there for less then = 2=20 >>hours though... I was just happy I got to go at all and it wasn't all th= e=20 >>way up in Big Sur. I finally made it out to an outdoor party this summer= =20 >>which fills some kind of void I was feeling for this summer. >> >>Once again, wow! >> >>Lydia >> >> >>Osby wrote: >> >> > Wow....So Damn Dope!! I mean, OK, so yeah, it was a Mondo Trek to get= 2=20 >>the spot! Totally!! I mean, I was already having a semi-day of Hell & I= =20 >>dunno! But the company of Jeff & My Darlin' Nic made it a CooL trip!! I= =20 >>Love those 2 kids! But, yeah, it took klonger than a hop, skip, & a jump= =20 >>to get there, but we made it!! Yay! >> > >> > 1st person I bump in2 there is Elizabeth Sy & gave her a hug! = =20 >>Yay! Then followed the trail! Then I bump into Andy W & Migurski! =20 >>LoL...bumping into Andy @ this point kinda led to a bizzare evening of me= =20 >>asking him questions about anything which he did come up w/ Totally Aweso= me=20 >>Answers but the sand crab answer really pissed me of 'cause it was a real= ly=20 >>good answer (Hell Yeah Andy...we're gonna go Hardcore Homie)!! LoL! Wow= ,=20 >>everyone was there!! Saw the Eden Ent crew there & that was sick!! It's= =20 >>Dope getting to know Adam a lil' better now!! There was a point where Ir= a,=20 >>Becca, Nicola, & I went wandering down the beach which was totally fun! = =20 >>Did bonding time w/ Erik, Karen, & Ari & crew!! Totally bonded w/ this= =20 >>lil' chica Regina! She was Awesome! Had a Bad Ass time hanging out w/= =20 >>Veronica (the TP Monitor) & had fun taking her on an O=A7BY mision! Hmmm= , I=20 >>wonder if the mision was ever completed?!? Alida, Tina, & Patrice were= =20 >>Dope to hang out w/!!! Alida was all Cute >> > & red! Gosh man, so many people there!! Oh man, gotta hang w/ my Boy= =20 >>Sol, but we didn't get to Groove together like we usually do! Well, it w= as=20 >>hard dancing on the sand kinda! Finally hung out w/ Jeramy after hella= =20 >>daze! Oh yeah, I was kickin' in a lil' Group when I hear my name called = in=20 >>front of me & it was Ryan w/ his vid cam! Hello2Day! Finally saw HL aft= er=20 >>hella daze!! >> > >> > The music was Sick! I spent alota time hangin' w/ Migurski by= =20 >>the speaker listening to the old skool Trance set! BUt oh man, what=20 >>totally got me Bumpin on the sand was the Breakbeats!!! Hello 2Day! So= =20 >>Sick!! I mean, I was diggin' the House, Trance, Electro, & all the Good= =20 >>Stuff, but oh man, it was all about Breakbeats for me! >> > >> > This was a Dope party! Oh my gosh, had so much fun!!! The= =20 >>most Awesome part was when the break of day was comin' up & things were= =20 >>startin' to get brighter!! Yeah, I do have to admit, a highlight of the= =20 >>night/early morning was when Andy & what's her name (I totally keep=20 >>forgeting her name) decided to run in the water! Hello 2Day! BUt man,= =20 >>Groovy vibes all around!! Everyone was So Awesome!! My gosh, I still=20 >>afterglowing! Dooooope Asss shindig! >> > >> > =3D=3D >> > Later {8O) >> > Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O=A7BY >> > >> > _____________________________________________________________ >> > Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail =20 Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69452-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 23:27:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51741 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 23:27:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51731 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 23:27:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: cloude_sf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: ascend@ix.netcom.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:27:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 23:27:09.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE310260:01C113CE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) I have no particular comments on Cloude's post one way or the other, but I'll say this - regardless of whether you agree with him or not, he is obviously someone who cares about the scene and is a valuable mature "customer". I have been disappointed with the apathy evident with so many older members of the rave community who have deliberately disengaged from active participation. Jaded Old-schooler apathy is the subject of this month's editorial at liquidcafe.com. Peep it, see if you agree. http://www.liquidcafe.com/cents.html Paulie Paul >From: cloude >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >CC: Greg Sandler >Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:23:19 -0700 (PDT) > >Hello Greg, (and sfraves) > >I don't want to be just another "pissed off raver" >because I'm not. I'm not a raver. I'm a somewhat >average 27 year old guy who likes to go to dance (at a >houseparty, club, concert, street party, my living >room, rave, whatever). I've been partying since I was >much younger, but don't want to get into semantics >about being old school or whatever. It really doesn't >matter. I am pissed off though. > >The reason I bought a ticket for area 51, is because >the lineup looked reasonable good, and it was going to >be in the city. I'm so over the scene having to >cruise around from my house to map points to parties >etc, I've done my share. I wanted to head downtown, >to where the party was, and not worry about anything. >I've avoided all other massives in the past, because >I've heard of horror stories regarding >permits/cancellations/venue changes etc, and I didn't >think this could happen. > >Your massive was going to be held in downtown San >Francisco... that's why I bought the ticket. > >My main question to you, and all the other >promoters/party planners now, is how the hell do you >sell tickets to an event, without knowing it's going >to take place for sure? It seems pretty criminal to >me. I've been speaking with one of my friends, an >attorney who was planning on coming with me, until I >told him about what was going down on Saturday. The >only words that he mentioned were "class action". > >I'm entitled to a refund, no questions asked. That's >pretty much the bottom line. You promised (on very >expensive glossy fliers I may add) 300,000 square feet >of space in San Francisco (among other things... I am >not going to repeat all the promises). I don't have a >car, but luckily had a friend heading to Berkeley (for >something else) on Saturday afternoon, so I took a >ride with him (mainly to humor myself) and checked out >the line at Skills. I didn't even get out of the car. > It took us almost an hour to get there, and the >people who were getting off the line were complaining >about how long they had been standing there. I >appreciate the effort for the last minute crunch, but >it was handled unprofessionally. > >I pre-ordered my ticket from the ThumpRadio website >(who by the way, throw great parties that come through >each and every time) and I refused to stand in line >for over an hour, to get to go to LESS THAN HALF the >party for which I paid for (at the Maritime, which I >avoid like the plague anyway). > >So now here I am, with not even a ticket stub in my >hand (just a receipt confirming a ticket that I never >picked up, because you sent thousands of people to a >small store in Berkeley.) > >OH yeah, what ever happened to those debriefing emails >we were supposed to receive. Never came... but I >could have predicted that. Maybe our grey little >friends.....hmmmmm. > >I ended up having a great time on Saturday night >regardless (not at your scam/event) but each and every >single person that I told your story to (most of which >are respectable business people, attorneys, >physicians, artists, djs, promoters) informed me that >what you have done is inexcusable. > >Just because the majority of people attending your >events are younger, doesn't mean that you have the >right to take advantage of them, and think that they >are not going to do anything in response to your poor >planning. Their hard earned money, like mine, was >spent on your crappy ass "event." > >(To those younger ravers reading this... take this as >a lesson, and make sure to share your experiences with >your friends, family, and people you meet. It's >important to get this awareness out there in the >public, so future people are not taken advantage of >like we were.) > >To be quite honest, I think each and every single >person who paid for the event is entitled to not only >a refund, but we deserve to see the "permits" in >question, and more specifically, have them online for >everyone to see. > >I don't believe that you ever had a secured venue, nor >do most people. You have to take my word on that, as >I took your word, and forked over my cash to your >scam. >You need to post every single permit you had for this >event online for everyone to see (obviously black out >sensitive materials). > >Greg, we're all business people in one way or another. > Some better than others, some worse than many. I >know you were put in a very hard place, but my faith >in your parties, and massives in general have gone >down the drain. > >It is imperative that you work with me, and the rest >of the people who paid to make us happy. That's why >we bought a ticket. To have fun. The customer is >always right, and whether its 16 year old Sunshyne, or >45 year old Bob the Dancer Dude, we gave you our >money, you stole it. > >I'm a casual lurker on the sfraves list, and have been >for a while. I hate to burst out and make this a rant >post, but after going to parties since the early 90s >(on three different continents) I have never seen >anything as unprofessional and ridiculous as this. > >Thanks for your time, >Sorry to write so much, > >Cloude > > >PS. Greg --- tell me who I need to contact to get my >money back, like i said, I purchased my ticket through >the ThumpRadio website. > > >PPS. If anyone has read this far, feel free to >comment on my post, I know people will agree and >disagree alike, but I'm curious to hear what you all >have to say as well. I hope your Saturday was fun in >any case. Have fun. See you all at some point (I >hope). > > > >--- Greg Sandler wrote: > > First off, > > > > This post is directly from Greg Sandler (that's me), > > as opposed to the last post which was sent from > > someone else at the Harmony Productions office. > > > > On a more personal note, I wanted to thank EVERYONE > > who came together at the last minute to help our > > tired, dis-enchanted, and confused crew. If it was > > not for a few key people (who shall remain nameless) > > we could not have put anything together at the last > > minute. Thank you. > > > > As for my personal thought on the event... I had my > > oppositions to moving the event instead of > > postponing it. But being that we had all of the > > artists in town and everything else was in place, > > we figured we should at the very least do something > > small and accomadate all of our ticket holders. It > > was never our intention to fuck anyone over or piss > > people off, we just wanted to put on a killer event > > with the music that we love. > > > > I definately understand that when things don't go > > right, all the ravers are bound to get pissed. But > > what I want to explain to all of you, is that we > > went through a lot of work to get this event to > > happen. I think it takes balls of steal to put a > > show together (at the last minute) knowing that no > > matter what happens, you are going to lose over > > $100K (due to a smaller capacity). The reason we > > did that was for all of you. To us, we were going to > > lose that money whether we cancelled or not. In > > fact, we most likely would have lost less money if > > we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on some > > level. I am asking you to at least understand our > > intensions. > > > > The people that know and understand what promoters > > go through in situations like ours, have to at least > > respect us for giving it our best efforts. That is > > what this rave scene is about, or at least was > > about.... > > > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, love > > us, or at this point hate us, please hang onto your > > AREA 51 ticket. The reason is, that we (AREA 51) are > > right now planning our next AREA 51 event. Keep your > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > ticket stub, we will accomidate you in some way as > > well. > > > > Peace and love, > > > > Greg Sandler > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69453-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jul 23 23:35:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60922 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 23:35:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60912 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 23:35:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.67] From: "Cheese" To: , "Jungle Bunny" , "Greg Sandler" , , "f8" References: <20010723221249.26052.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:35:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 23:34:38.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[09B92B20:01C113D0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 I wasn't going to post on this... but i just can't seem to figure out what Greg's calculations were on this one comment... so here goes... +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Quote from Greg's email = "In fact, we most likely would have lost less money if we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on some level. I am asking you to at least understand our intensions." I am trying to figure this out... if you would have canceled, how would you have lost "less" money? you would have had to pay just as much as you already did, plus the fact that the "Out of town Talent" probably would not have already been in town, so you would have had to at least fly them out "again", if not pay them for performing also, "again"... plus booking the sound, lasers, and lighting "again"... so in my mind, you actually saved alot of money by throwing together this two venued event... i don't see how you added all this up, it just doesn't make sense on a side note, why two venues? why not 3com, or SC Fairgrounds, or even Fresno Fairgrounds for that matter... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe Tavakoli" To: "Jungle Bunny" ; "Greg Sandler" ; Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 > Just a big ass mess created by folks who really don;t > know how to run a business, specially one of this > size! Can't get it right, even now! > > --- Jungle Bunny wrote: > > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, > > love > > > us, or at this > > > point hate us, please hang onto your AREA 51 > > ticket. > > > The reason is, that we > > > (AREA 51) are right now planning our next AREA 51 > > > event. Keep your > > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > > ticket stub, we will > > > accomidate you in some way as well. > > > > ???what about the people who went to meritime, and > > were not allowed to keep a stub???? > > and don't tell me that we got what we paid for in > > SF....because that was the worst party I have ever > > been to. > > > > > > --- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > First off, > > > > > > This post is directly from Greg Sandler (that's > > me), > > > as opposed to the last post which was sent from > > > someone else at the Harmony Productions office. > > > > > > On a more personal note, I wanted to thank > > EVERYONE > > > who came together at the last minute to help our > > > tired, dis-enchanted, and confused crew. If it was > > > not for a few key people (who shall remain > > nameless) > > > we could not have put anything together at the > > last > > > minute. Thank you. > > > > > > As for my personal thought on the event... I had > > my > > > oppositions to moving the event instead of > > > postponing it. But being that we had all of the > > > artists in town and everything else was in place, > > > we figured we should at the very least do > > something > > > small and accomadate all of our ticket holders. It > > > was never our intention to fuck anyone over or > > piss > > > people off, we just wanted to put on a killer > > event > > > with the music that we love. > > > > > > I definately understand that when things don't go > > > right, all the ravers are bound to get pissed. But > > > what I want to explain to all of you, is that we > > > went through a lot of work to get this event to > > > happen. I think it takes balls of steal to put a > > > show together (at the last minute) knowing that no > > > matter what happens, you are going to lose over > > > $100K (due to a smaller capacity). The reason we > > > did that was for all of you. To us, we were going > > to > > > lose that money whether we cancelled or not. In > > > fact, we most likely would have lost less money if > > > we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on > > some > > > level. I am asking you to at least understand our > > > intensions. > > > > > > The people that know and understand what promoters > > > go through in situations like ours, have to at > > least > > > respect us for giving it our best efforts. That is > > > what this rave scene is about, or at least was > > > about.... > > > > > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, > > love > > > us, or at this point hate us, please hang onto > > your > > > AREA 51 ticket. The reason is, that we (AREA 51) > > are > > > right now planning our next AREA 51 event. Keep > > your > > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > > ticket stub, we will accomidate you in some way as > > > well. > > > > > > Peace and love, > > > > > > Greg Sandler > > > > > > > > > ===== > > "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - > > That's my Bush > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > ===== > _____________________________________________ > Moe Tavakoli > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69454-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 00:22:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1745 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 00:22:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1730 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 00:22:24 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:21:27 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org , acydrayn@hotmail.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010724002158.CSAA11520.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened rayne, thank you for a balanced, thoughtful and supportive response regarding this very unfortunate event. and thank you for seeing the bigger picture -- that what is happening in our scene is what we need to work to solve, rather than fighting within our own ranks. the "outside" world doesn't give a damn about whether we get to dance together all night -- and they have no ability to distinguish between tight little just-us collectives and the larger parties, either. it's all a pain to them .. and until we work together to speak up and demand (and negotiate) workable solutions, no change can happen. rayn, i look forward to having you part of the sflnc leslie ---------- >From: "Rayn" >To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , , , , , >Subject: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened >Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001, 1:53 PM > >This may be true but looking back on the track record of this promoter in >general, their parties have almost always gone off. Sure it shitty this >happened and we all hate losing the money for it, but in defense they lost >alot of money too. > >Most of us come from a background of underground raves where everything done >was illegal. I even remember nights where the party moved three times but >all acts got to play. Now take this inflation and influx of people who love >these new massive parties. Everyone outside our circle hates us. In the >old days, sure we could pack up and move shop when shit hit the fan but not >anymore. Espicially in an area that is known for the parties and most >people want them shut down. He lost the first venue. Did he give up? No. >The second venue would've been just as good except for a not-his fault >situation. Most of your "shady" promoters would've given up seeing as how >the day of the even was the next day. No, he kept going. He still provided >someplace for you to go and see your DJ's.. Sure it wasn't the ideal >locations for you, and it was probably just as less ideal for him having to >decided which sound system was going where, which DJ's were going where, how >to inform the people, etc. > >Sure it'd be nice if you could get a refund, but from what. Their money is >gone. Gone to pay all the djs, the movers, the security, the new venues, >any permits needed at last second etc.. He still has to pay everyone. But >he's going to try and recover and anyone with a ticket is going to the next >event in compensation for free. Yet another loss of revenue. Yeah >class-action lawsuits are good and all (in theory, I think its the stupidist >thing in the world)but what would it do except destroy one of the good >promoters in the area. If they were filed, he could claim bankruptcy since >he is a company. > >Or do you suck up the loss of $42 measly dollars. Put your head on straight >and think to yourself.. What can I do to help something like this go off and >get yourself active in the SFLNC. The bay area party scene, anything. >Remember our roots spread from the idea of community. The basis is still >valid. If you don't have time to contribute to help something other than >paying money you're not really helping your community.. This is the >equivalent of giving money to chairty or actuially going to a homeless >shelter and offering whatever freetime you have, or planting trees in your >neighborhood to help brighten it up. If you don't take pride in being a bay >area party kid and just go to a party to see some cool music, take some >drugs and go home liking the whole expierience or being pissed because the >group throwing it didn't have enough help and support of the community as a >whole. > >We really need to wake up people. Our scene is dying, its slipping, the >"man" is running us into the ground, too many people are worried about money >to realize that they can help contribute other ways to help everything as a >whole.. Theres going to be more and more of this.. Massives are an easy >target to destroy because of how much money flows through these things but >the more "mainstream" we get the more we get the attention of haters. >Everyone is turning a deaf ear to us because of our own squabbling. We're >not willing to help those who fail and lift them up. We are very fickle.. >We praise a great party but the next time that same company throws one and >it flops they're considered shady promoters. I see it more and more on here >and its a disease spreading through everything. Planting seeds of hate >everywhere. I hate coming off sounding like PLUR-activist but PLUR >shouldn't be dead. Its necessary. Turn the other cheek. Respect people for >trying no matter what, if you're a seasoned vet offer some help with the >next party, if your a newbie promoter, ask for help. Practice PLUR and lead >by example. Don't shove it down other peoples throats. Just be nice, even >if someone pisses you off, go away looking like whatever that person did to >you has not affected you and don't retaliate. Move on and get over it. The >more you do it the easier it gets. > >Ok, I'll stop rambling and I see there's other lists in this reply all. >Take heed or suffer the fate thats happening all around the country and the >death of scenes everywhere. > >I want to be able to rave until the day I die. It an atmosphere with good >music, good people, DJ's (good or bad), and good times. > >I am in no way party of Greg Sandlers crew, and I'm looking into being more >active with the SFLNC so don't say I'm trying to defend him just because I >work for him. I believe in the whole idea as a whole. I love you all even >though most of you will flame me. > >-Rayn > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" >To: ; ; >; ; > >Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:08 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation > > >> >If you think you >> >are going to get every act thats on that life size >> >poster, then you are just plain naive. >> >> translation: it's all right for promoters to engage in false advertising >and >> take people's money for a product which they do not intend to provide. in >> the real world, that's called "consumer fraud." perhaps if everyone >holding >> a ticket stub for Area 51--or the next massive which will, inevitably, >> under-deliver--filed a class-action lawsuit against the promoter, perhaps >> we'd have fewer rip-off massives...or, at least, fewer rip-off promoters >> (which IMO would be just as good). >> >> --hb >> >> what's so difficult about the concept of delivering what you promised the >> person who paid you? >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69455-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 00:30:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6689 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 00:30:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6679 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 00:30:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724003007.42147.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:30:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: JonnyR@aol.com, BodhiInSF@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <116.2105913.288d9fbe@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eminen @ A "Rave"? a few more thoughts i read in a music magazine a quote from a woman who spent time hanging out with Eminen...she said something like they were nice to hang out with. i don't know who Eminen is/are, but i do know that art is a subjective experience for the opened mind, and furthermore, that experiential reaction to it does not necessarily have a thing to do with the artist and his or her lifestyle, personality or intent beyond creation and the desire to put something forth. sometimes, art does mirror true to life desire, experience and intent, if you will, but if you don't know the artist, then you can't say for sure what's going on in a song, as an example, if anything at all...if someone takes a piece of art and uses it as an excuse for rape or murder well then, pardon me, but good luck trying to defend yourself in court. California has been building more prisons than universities as of late, and the three strikes law is working in full swing. if you commit a felony, you will be put away. people have been protesting music and other FINE art for years and years now. i used to spend a lot of time going to rock shows, and there were often protesters hanging around outside with their "satan" signs and all of that. people are going to assume the worst sometimes, and sometimes, the worst is going to happen, but not always....consider all of the protest and media hype that surrounded Robert Maplethorpe's (sp?) photography. artists need to learn to take it in stride, as do those who choose to listen. we are not the equivilent to the popular fantasy as individuals. i think it's important to remember that, particularly if you are a member of an artist's community of some sort, and if you would like to branch out and experience some sort of growth. :) --- JonnyR@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Bodhi, but I'm also thinking that > tickets had been on sale for > Cyberfest long before D-12 (and let's not forget The > Crystal Method) were > added to the lineup. So, I would hope it was already > perhaps half sold-out > before non-raving Emimen fans started buying > tickets. > Let's not assume that every hip-hop fan is a thug > ... some of it is just > image, just like how some of us wear candy and some > don't. I've had shit > stolen from me at an all-trance party; it's not just > hip-hop people who are > shady. I do think it's true, though, that you have > to be extra careful at the > really big parties. The bigger the party, the > smaller the percentage of real > ravers. > Think of the food pyramid: a small underground that > is flyered very > selectively is likely to have a lot of people who > already know each other and > are there for the music and to be with people they > know. It's easy to show a > newbie around and educate him/her about "PLUR", > noticing someone who looks > lonely and saying "hi," giving water to someone who > looks thirsty, and so > forth. > A somewhat bigger party will have some bigger DJs > and more rooms, and will > attract a broader base of people. I'm thinking of > 2nd & Jackson ... There may > be some people who, at first, don't seem to run in > the same crowd, but I've > met a bunch of people like that and they turned out > to be very cool. "Thugs" > who are attracted to the rave scene might be some of > the most gentle people > in the Thug Demographic; there is a chance for some > intercultural > understanding if people give it a chance. > However ... you get to the biggest parties, and the > base of the pyramid grows > very broad. You get a lot of people who rarely go to > raves, or they've heard > that raves are big drug parties and they think that > sounds way cool. So, > whether these additional people at the base of the > pyramid are techno fans or > hip-hop or whatever, they're not indoctrinated in > the fine points of raving. > Some are there "just to get fucked up", and they > might be the one who needs > the ambulance and generates the rumors about > somebody ODing. And some are > there because, just like at any other large > gathering (including the > Renaissance Faire!), there are lots of people and > lots of opportunities to > pick pockets. Or "mack on e-tarded girls" or other > antisocial behavior. (I > heard somebody tell me he wanted to go to a rave so > he could "get on some x'd > out chick") > > We ravers are incredibly patient consumers. Young > people get pushed around a > lot. I know for sure that if the audience was older, > promoters wouldn't even > try to get away with some of the things they get > away with. Like "Groove > Nation": wait in line for an hour and a half for a > shuttle bus, party > cancelled, NO REFUNDS! Do you think that SF Giants > fans would put up with: > "Hey, no game today, go home, no fucking refund!"? > Do you think you could > throw the Warped Tour and say, "OK guys, half of the > people will be > performing in this city and half in the other. It's > too late to choose, so > you have to go to this half"? Wouldn't there be a > riot? > > What about if there was beer involved? You don't > want to be around thousands > of drunk people who are angry about not what getting > what they paid for. > Promoters are lucky that ravers are either sober or > on "happy, empathetic" > drugs. > > Promoters are lucky that ravers are so accepting of > deviations from their > expectations. I've been to parties where the > headliner didn't show up and > there was no announcement about it, but people were > still grooving just fine > to whoever was spinning. But don't push us too far! > We can only stand so > much (Look at "Survival" for an example of ravers > getting pushed past the > edge, with tragic results). A party as big as Area > 51 should have gone off; > something advertised so heavily really needs to have > a 100% secured venue. > What did Clockworks do to make "Metropolis" happen > at 3-Com Park, and why > couldn't the people behind Area 51 do the same? > > I missed Area 51 two years ago and regretted it once > I heard how great it > was.So i wanted to go this year but couldn't work it > out. However, I have my > ticket for Cyberfest and am hoping it's a fantastic > event. > Just remember, like the sergeant used to say on Hill > Street Blues: "Let's be > careful out there." > John > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69456-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 00:35:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9002 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 00:35:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8989 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 00:35:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:51:28 -0400 From: roger kumar To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010723175128.A20059@bigteam.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 - WTF Happened....Explanation > i've held my tongue until now. however, this "explanation" is utterly > pathetic. you sold thousands of tickets, at over $40 per person, WITHOUT > FINAL PERMITTING? everyone who bought a ticket to this sad excuse for > an organized event should have their money refunded, whether or not they > were able to attend one of the half-assed partial events they were > relegated to despite paying for the full event. It doesn't sound like you were cheated by the merchant in this case, but if you believe you were, and you purchased your tickets by credit card, and at least $50 was charged (did you buy multiple tickets?), then you are probably covered by the Fair Credit Billing Act. In this case, you can protest the charges and talk to the seller about a refund. If that doesn't work, then the bank will help, and probably do a chargeback. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69457-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 00:39:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12455 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 00:39:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12444 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 00:39:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.194.214] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: djesmo@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, djd-list@dj-d.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:38:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 00:38:38.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA87C4F0:01C113D8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] **********FIESTA***FIESTA*********** Im going to this! I hope some of you check this party out as well. These guys are good on their words and do not shove the blame over to someone else. =) Night Life Productions is a key promoter in this house community and deserve much respect from the community that they continuesly throw quality events for! Awww yeah good night with some good people and some great music!! See you there! Peace, Aaron >From: "E S M O" >To: "sfraves" , , "DJ D >LIST" >Subject: [sfraves] **********FIESTA***FIESTA*********** >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:53:12 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD25F612002E40043154D18553160D110; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:54:10 -0700 >Received: (qmail 16587 invoked by uid 1104); 23 Jul 2001 22:54:08 -0000 >Received: (qmail 16575 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 22:54:08 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-69444-aaronhdixon Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:55:05 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >X-Apparently-From: >Message-ID: <003001c113ca$4122b640$1e02fea9@djesmo> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >Nightlife Productions Presents... > >FIESTA FIESTA >*july 27th >*all ages >*fully permitted >*virgin venue > >Featuring >Tytek, Casa del Soul- Colorado >Torque, Nightlife-Colorado >Huey, Nightlife-SF >Joey Mazzola, Solmatic Records-SF >Ron Reeser, Clockwork Eventz-SF >Rudy G, The Bad Puppy-SJ >Allen Craig, Nightlife-SF > >Limited Presales available @ >Housewares(sf) >Skills(Berkely) >Solid Grooves(SJ) > >For 411 call 415.721.4610 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69458-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 00:40:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14890 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 00:40:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14870 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 00:40:44 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:41:06 -0600 From: wishfm To: , CC: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010723223600.45203.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078758467_53779_MIME_Part" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Robert Miles Tomorrow??? --MS_Mac_OE_3078758467_53779_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit He's playing only CD's these days, so MOST people don't have the entire Pioneer CDJ setup he requires. I played right before him at the Texas Zen Festival, last month in Dallas, and was very surprised to hear that he had demanded to play the jungle room once he arrived at the airport. The promoter explained that Robert Miles did not want to play the HUGE trance stage and wanted to play an atmospheric D&B in the jungle room. Now, I was really curious. It's important to know that I wasn't a huge fan of 'Children'.... 'could tell you not a damn thing about him or his music, except for the fact he made this massive track back in the mid-90's and that I know he's big on the trance, progressive scene. I don't know how many times we've been on the same bill, but I can say with almost 100% certainty that this would be the first time I actually LISTENED to him play. It was absolutely not what I expected, and actually wasn't even an attempt at drum & bass. It started out with the most insane trance buildup intro and just when you thought the 909 kicks were gonna come runnin', he flips to a huge dubby bassline and massive slow crunching breaks. For an hour. He continued to thoroughly explore each increment of tempo between 90 and 115 bpm, playing trance versions of almost every breakbeat incarnation, including - slow 2 step, nuschool breaks, latin mid-tempo percussion, dancehall, and modern hip hop. Then, as if that wasn't bizzare enough, he'd throw in an angst ridden Brit pop vocal about every 6 songs adding a very different texture next to his 'trance hop', especially considering it's sunrise in the jungle room. It was phenomenal and considering he did it all, fully knowing he was going to lose a huge dancefloor... only to work it back 3 hours later. That takes huge nuts, and a lot of pride in your craft. I don't know about the CDs... although his mixing was good, it seemed affected by the format. 'Seems like it would be much more comfortable to just cut dubplates of all of it. All in all, I'd say he's a badass for taking such huge risks, when he could take the simpler road on his native trance stage. 2 cents, wishfm From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:36:00 -0700 (PDT) To: shaman@bluegreen.org Cc: shaman@bluegreen.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] Robert Miles Tomorrow??? Nope, the guy came on and said that Miles couldn't make it. They didn't have the right equip. --- "D.J. Shaman" wrote: > It may look like it, but it sure doesn't sound like > it! I think it's > still the deep house dj on... > At Monday, 23 July 2001, Moe Tavakoli > wrote: > > >Don't know, but it looks like he is on Groovetech > >Seatlle right now. > > > >http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/GT/srvlt/GTController?action=BroadcastCal endar&page=broadcast_live. > > >jsp&StreamName=GT+Radio+Seattle&location=Seattle > > > >--- "D.J. Shaman" wrote: > >> I have heard a rumour that Robert Miles is > playing a > >> free show at > >> the virgin megastore tomorrow. Does anyone else > know > >> about this? > >> What time? Any info? > >> > >> Thx! > >> > >> Baked, Not Fried, > >> Shaman > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > >===== > >_____________________________________________ > >Moe Tavakoli > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > ===== _____________________________________________ Moe Tavakoli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --MS_Mac_OE_3078758467_53779_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-69459-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 00:47:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18992 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 00:47:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18982 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 00:47:23 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5CC66E.33C605A8@iamthedj.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:50:54 -0700 From: Amber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Full (really full) DJ setup for sale This is not for sale by me, please reply to the seller referenced in the craigslist ad. anon-1410497@craigslist.org http://www.craigslist.org/sfo/muc/1410497.html >:)Amber -- Amber .|. http://www.iamthedj.com .|. You hate Amber. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69460-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 01:11:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35467 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 01:11:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35454 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 01:11:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724011123.77920.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010724002158.CSAA11520.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Report from Chicago. A friend was working in Chicago this last weekend, so I decided to go and check out the scene and here is a quick run down. Got in at 1pm on Friday. the cab ride into town was great. Passed by soldier field (love the Bears) and saw some other sites. This city is great. There are tons (tons) of nice huge buildings. All built very tastefully. the streerts are CLEAN. Very very clean. Thats alot to say abotu a big city. City employees walk around and sweep all day! There are flowers on the sidewalks, they look like they were just planted. Now for the MUSIC: Going to the birth place of house music expectations were high. There were no disappointments! On Friday we went to a place called Red No. 5, there was also another club (basicalluy the same place but upstairs) called the 5th floor. Great house music all night (till 4am) the place was fairly busy with lots of room to go crazy. The people were great. Everyone was friendly and was having a ball. For what I call the drinking crowd (those who drink lots and don't drop) there weren't any idiots or the kind that keep hitting on chicks (which by the way there are tons of great looking and very nice girls there.) On Saturday we hit up a club called Le Passage. Once again incredible music and crowd. This place was classy. There were to separate floors. One more on the trace side and the other great house. We hung out there till 1 and then went to real deal in Chicago. Crobar. This place is the shit. Specially if you like trace. The downstairs was incredible. Great trace mixed with a bit of house. The place was packed! People all over the place and once again the people were all great. Upstairs (were I hung out most) was all house. And the tracks they played were all just outs this world. All in all this was a great weekend in a fantastic town. If you get the chance to go, GO! All in all the poeple are more relaxed out there in general which makes it a perfect atmosphere for parties (and they never stop serving.... and you can smoke!) Moe. ===== _____________________________________________ Moe Tavakoli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69461-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 01:25:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46425 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 01:25:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46277 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 01:25:07 -0000 From: BRAINZGEAR@aol.com Message-ID: <31.17f59eeb.288e2851@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:24:33 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, BRAINZGEAR@aol.com CC: sacraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_31.17f59eeb.288e2851_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (bsp) H-Foundation "free" first 100 response @ LimeLight --part1_31.17f59eeb.288e2851_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BrainChild Records Tour 2001 Wednesday JULY 25, 2001 Free for the first 100 people that respond to this e-mail just arrive at the door your e-mail will be there and you will get in absolutly FREE before 11 pm > Main Room: Deep House / Tech House H-FOUNDATION a.k.a. HIPP-E & HALO (Siesta / 20/20 Vision / Soma / NRK / Champion Sound) Known as Cutting edge House producers of today, The H-Foundation will rock the crowd until the House falls down. DAVID GARCIA SF (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) JOEY MAZZOLA SF (Soulmatic / Soulphusion / Radio Active Dj's) Second Level: Trance / UK Hard House / Breaks GIANNI SF (Harmonics / Spundae) TOM SLIK SF (Skills / Popsikal) MADAME MERCURY SF (LiquidMercury, MadWax, Streetbeat) DJ DREW SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) Front Room: Club Favorites / Progressive House MIKE SLIM SF (Deep Vision Records / Time warp Records) JAYSEN V SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) FINESSE SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy) RECKLESS RYAN SF (BrainChild Records / Orgy / KSJS 90.5) Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. VIP PASSES : $40 VIP includes 4 weeks admission to any nights of your choice. No wait in line and complimentary water bottle for every night attended. You save $20 in entry fee's you save time we'll quench your thirst!!! VIP passes will be sold at: BrainChild Records : (408) 292-8381 401 e. St. James, San Jose BrainChild Records : (408) 241-4476 Valley Fair Mall, Santa Clara Skills : (510) 704-9876 2575 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!! 18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink Tel: 1-800-561-1800 www.brainchildentertainment.com --part1_31.17f59eeb.288e2851_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69462-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 01:29:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53372 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 01:29:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53362 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 01:29:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Haskovec To: Cheese cc: Greg Sandler , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Cheese wrote: > I wasn't going to post on this... but i just can't seem to figure out what > Greg's calculations were on this one comment... so here goes... > +++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Quote from Greg's email = "In fact, we most likely would have lost less > money if we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on some level. I am > asking you to at least understand our intensions." > > I am trying to figure this out... if you would have canceled, how would you > have lost "less" money? you would have had to pay just as much as you > already did, plus the fact that the "Out of town Talent" probably would not > have already been in town, so you would have had to at least fly them out > "again", if not pay them for performing also, "again"... plus booking the > sound, lasers, and lighting "again"... He would have lost less if he would have canceled/postponed the whole thing and kept everyone's money. Presumably he would have kept everyone's money in any case. > on a side note, why two venues? why not 3com, or SC Fairgrounds, or even > Fresno Fairgrounds for that matter... I think the most ridiculous part of this affair is that the permit was still not finalized _a week before the event_! Regardless of a promoter's intentions (although I've never been to one of Greg's parties, from what I can tell his intentions are good), this is way too high a risk to take when you're talking about a $150k+ event! Flying by the seat of your pants like this is just bad business. Greg, if you're going to take risks like this with your customers' money, you need to be willing to face the consequences when things don't work out. Everyone who wants a refund should get one. Those people who want to hold on to their ticket to use at Greg's next party instead are welcome to do so. dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe Tavakoli" > To: "Jungle Bunny" ; "Greg Sandler" > ; > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 > > > > Just a big ass mess created by folks who really don;t > > know how to run a business, specially one of this > > size! Can't get it right, even now! > > > > --- Jungle Bunny wrote: > > > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, > > > love > > > > us, or at this > > > > point hate us, please hang onto your AREA 51 > > > ticket. > > > > The reason is, that we > > > > (AREA 51) are right now planning our next AREA 51 > > > > event. Keep your > > > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > > > ticket stub, we will > > > > accomidate you in some way as well. > > > > > > ???what about the people who went to meritime, and > > > were not allowed to keep a stub???? > > > and don't tell me that we got what we paid for in > > > SF....because that was the worst party I have ever > > > been to. > > > > > > > > > --- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > > First off, > > > > > > > > This post is directly from Greg Sandler (that's > > > me), > > > > as opposed to the last post which was sent from > > > > someone else at the Harmony Productions office. > > > > > > > > On a more personal note, I wanted to thank > > > EVERYONE > > > > who came together at the last minute to help our > > > > tired, dis-enchanted, and confused crew. If it was > > > > not for a few key people (who shall remain > > > nameless) > > > > we could not have put anything together at the > > > last > > > > minute. Thank you. > > > > > > > > As for my personal thought on the event... I had > > > my > > > > oppositions to moving the event instead of > > > > postponing it. But being that we had all of the > > > > artists in town and everything else was in place, > > > > we figured we should at the very least do > > > something > > > > small and accomadate all of our ticket holders. It > > > > was never our intention to fuck anyone over or > > > piss > > > > people off, we just wanted to put on a killer > > > event > > > > with the music that we love. > > > > > > > > I definately understand that when things don't go > > > > right, all the ravers are bound to get pissed. But > > > > what I want to explain to all of you, is that we > > > > went through a lot of work to get this event to > > > > happen. I think it takes balls of steal to put a > > > > show together (at the last minute) knowing that no > > > > matter what happens, you are going to lose over > > > > $100K (due to a smaller capacity). The reason we > > > > did that was for all of you. To us, we were going > > > to > > > > lose that money whether we cancelled or not. In > > > > fact, we most likely would have lost less money if > > > > we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on > > > some > > > > level. I am asking you to at least understand our > > > > intensions. > > > > > > > > The people that know and understand what promoters > > > > go through in situations like ours, have to at > > > least > > > > respect us for giving it our best efforts. That is > > > > what this rave scene is about, or at least was > > > > about.... > > > > > > > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, > > > love > > > > us, or at this point hate us, please hang onto > > > your > > > > AREA 51 ticket. The reason is, that we (AREA 51) > > > are > > > > right now planning our next AREA 51 event. Keep > > > your > > > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > > > ticket stub, we will accomidate you in some way as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > Peace and love, > > > > > > > > Greg Sandler > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - > > > That's my Bush > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > ===== > > _____________________________________________ > > Moe Tavakoli > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69463-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 01:51:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69596 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 01:51:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69584 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 01:51:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.52] From: "Becca Plevin" To: MoonChyId@go.com, lyds@home.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:50:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 01:50:52.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[11EE5320:01C113E3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =) No worries- there is a lil shindig in the works for the next few weeks, and if you stick around overnight I promise I will have yummy food for breakfast (as long as I can get it from a bakery, since my hungover ass probably won't be able to find the kitchen, let alone cook anything) :-) Becca >From: tina pruett >To: Becca Plevin , lyds@home.com, >osby@ratkoonrat.net >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =) >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:24:51 -0700 (PDT) > >yeah becca, and you still owe me breakfast =Þ jk > >love and hugs and kisses, >tina > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Becca Plevin" >To: lyds@home.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net >Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Date: Mon Jul 23 14:07:03 PDT 2001 >Subject: Re: [sfraves] CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =) > > >Woo hoo- I guess reviews are better late than never, so here goes.... CF > >presented another great night for all of us on the beach. The lack of >music > >for a couple hours didn't bother me at all- I had a chance to run around >and > >reconnect with some people who I hadn't seen in quite a while, and to >take a > >fun trip down the beach with Alida, Osby, and Ira. It was nice to see > >everyone that was at the CF 6 year dancing along side a bunch of us young > >uns. :-) The music ran the gamut of styles, all of which somehow seemed >to > >fit perfectly with the setting and mood of the party, and I was just glad >to > >get some sort of workout from dancing with Alida on the sand. > > > >We made plans to all go to Denny's in the morning, but in the end I >wussed > >out, both because I had to be up to set up for Area 51 and because I >didn't > >think it was fair to ask Ira to get on a plane at 11 am without a shower. > >Although we both considered it- Denny's in the morning with everyone >sounded > >like a perfect way to end a great night. > > > >So thanks, CF, for another kick ass night of friends, fun, and dancing. > > > >Becca > > > >>From: "(_lydia_W_)" > >>To: osby@ratkoonrat.net > >>CC: The_List > >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] CF 7 Yr Annv....Oh My Gosh!!! =) > >>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:05:03 -0700 > >> > >>Cloudfactory was an awesome party for sure... I got there just as the >crew > >>was getting there around 12 so we helped them carry stuff down and then > >>directed people who were confused by the directions which weren't very > >>clear. Got to meet Scott Nelson and some of the other CF peeps which was > >>cool:) 7 years.. wow.. I felt special just being there. I was >dissapointed > >>that I didn't get to actually hang out on the beach more and had to >leave > >>so early so that I could get home by 6 and then sleep a little before >Area > >>51. Saw a lot of friends and confused Tina who didn't know who the hell > >>was hugging her. Went on a beach adventure with Ryan, Miki, Jason, and > >>Marshall to find sparkling sand. I was really only there for less then >2 > >>hours though... I was just happy I got to go at all and it wasn't all >the > >>way up in Big Sur. I finally made it out to an outdoor party this summer > >>which fills some kind of void I was feeling for this summer. > >> > >>Once again, wow! > >> > >>Lydia > >> > >> > >>Osby wrote: > >> > >> > Wow....So Damn Dope!! I mean, OK, so yeah, it was a Mondo Trek to >get 2 > >>the spot! Totally!! I mean, I was already having a semi-day of Hell & >I > >>dunno! But the company of Jeff & My Darlin' Nic made it a CooL trip!! >I > >>Love those 2 kids! But, yeah, it took klonger than a hop, skip, & a >jump > >>to get there, but we made it!! Yay! > >> > > >> > 1st person I bump in2 there is Elizabeth Sy & gave her a hug! > >>Yay! Then followed the trail! Then I bump into Andy W & Migurski! > >>LoL...bumping into Andy @ this point kinda led to a bizzare evening of >me > >>asking him questions about anything which he did come up w/ Totally >Awesome > >>Answers but the sand crab answer really pissed me of 'cause it was a >really > >>good answer (Hell Yeah Andy...we're gonna go Hardcore Homie)!! LoL! >Wow, > >>everyone was there!! Saw the Eden Ent crew there & that was sick!! >It's > >>Dope getting to know Adam a lil' better now!! There was a point where >Ira, > >>Becca, Nicola, & I went wandering down the beach which was totally fun! > >>Did bonding time w/ Erik, Karen, & Ari & crew!! Totally bonded w/ this > >>lil' chica Regina! She was Awesome! Had a Bad Ass time hanging out w/ > >>Veronica (the TP Monitor) & had fun taking her on an O§BY mision! Hmmm, >I > >>wonder if the mision was ever completed?!? Alida, Tina, & Patrice were > >>Dope to hang out w/!!! Alida was all Cute > >> > & red! Gosh man, so many people there!! Oh man, gotta hang w/ my >Boy > >>Sol, but we didn't get to Groove together like we usually do! Well, it >was > >>hard dancing on the sand kinda! Finally hung out w/ Jeramy after hella > >>daze! Oh yeah, I was kickin' in a lil' Group when I hear my name called >in > >>front of me & it was Ryan w/ his vid cam! Hello2Day! Finally saw HL >after > >>hella daze!! > >> > > >> > The music was Sick! I spent alota time hangin' w/ Migurski >by > >>the speaker listening to the old skool Trance set! BUt oh man, what > >>totally got me Bumpin on the sand was the Breakbeats!!! Hello 2Day! So > >>Sick!! I mean, I was diggin' the House, Trance, Electro, & all the Good > >>Stuff, but oh man, it was all about Breakbeats for me! > >> > > >> > This was a Dope party! Oh my gosh, had so much fun!!! The > >>most Awesome part was when the break of day was comin' up & things were > >>startin' to get brighter!! Yeah, I do have to admit, a highlight of the > >>night/early morning was when Andy & what's her name (I totally keep > >>forgeting her name) decided to run in the water! Hello 2Day! BUt man, > >>Groovy vibes all around!! Everyone was So Awesome!! My gosh, I still > >>afterglowing! Dooooope Asss shindig! > >> > > >> > == > >> > Later {8O) > >> > Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY > >> > > >> > _____________________________________________________________ > >> > Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >___________________________________________________ >GO.com Mail >Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69464-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 01:54:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73872 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 01:54:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73831 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 01:54:50 -0000 From: "Jaden" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:54:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <4.3.1.0.20010723152933.00ba8008@qix.netcorps.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 It's so rare that I choose to post to this list because I have plenty of drama in my life as it is. But its comments like this that anger me to no end. I don't have to be able to make wine to know what shitty wine tastes like. I don't have to be a master chef to know when something tastes like crap. I don't have to be an director to know Battlefield Earth sucked. In short, I DON'T have to be a master of the universe to know something isn't right. Simply because I don't promote doesn't mean I don't know what a shitty party is or not. Its called being a consumer. You know what you like. This e-mail isn't about Area 51, Greg, or anything else BUT the comment below, so please don't think by using Area 51 as an example that I am passing judgment in any way... I didn't even attend the party. Jaden -----Original Message----- From: Raver [mailto:raver@sarilion.org] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:31 PM To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 I don't see you doing any better. Why don't you show us how much better of a promoter you are rather than talking shit about something you don't appear to have a clue about. sarilion At 03:12 PM 7/23/2001 -0700, Moe Tavakoli wrote: >Just a big ass mess created by folks who really don;t >know how to run a business, specially one of this >size! Can't get it right, even now! > >--- Jungle Bunny wrote: > > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, > > love > > > us, or at this > > > point hate us, please hang onto your AREA 51 > > ticket. > > > The reason is, that we > > > (AREA 51) are right now planning our next AREA 51 > > > event. Keep your > > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > > ticket stub, we will > > > accomidate you in some way as well. > > > > ???what about the people who went to meritime, and > > were not allowed to keep a stub???? > > and don't tell me that we got what we paid for in > > SF....because that was the worst party I have ever > > been to. > > > > > > --- Greg Sandler wrote: > > > First off, > > > > > > This post is directly from Greg Sandler (that's > > me), > > > as opposed to the last post which was sent from > > > someone else at the Harmony Productions office. > > > > > > On a more personal note, I wanted to thank > > EVERYONE > > > who came together at the last minute to help our > > > tired, dis-enchanted, and confused crew. If it was > > > not for a few key people (who shall remain > > nameless) > > > we could not have put anything together at the > > last > > > minute. Thank you. > > > > > > As for my personal thought on the event... I had > > my > > > oppositions to moving the event instead of > > > postponing it. But being that we had all of the > > > artists in town and everything else was in place, > > > we figured we should at the very least do > > something > > > small and accomadate all of our ticket holders. It > > > was never our intention to fuck anyone over or > > piss > > > people off, we just wanted to put on a killer > > event > > > with the music that we love. > > > > > > I definately understand that when things don't go > > > right, all the ravers are bound to get pissed. But > > > what I want to explain to all of you, is that we > > > went through a lot of work to get this event to > > > happen. I think it takes balls of steal to put a > > > show together (at the last minute) knowing that no > > > matter what happens, you are going to lose over > > > $100K (due to a smaller capacity). The reason we > > > did that was for all of you. To us, we were going > > to > > > lose that money whether we cancelled or not. In > > > fact, we most likely would have lost less money if > > > we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on > > some > > > level. I am asking you to at least understand our > > > intensions. > > > > > > The people that know and understand what promoters > > > go through in situations like ours, have to at > > least > > > respect us for giving it our best efforts. That is > > > what this rave scene is about, or at least was > > > about.... > > > > > > On a final personal note, whether you like us, > > love > > > us, or at this point hate us, please hang onto > > your > > > AREA 51 ticket. The reason is, that we (AREA 51) > > are > > > right now planning our next AREA 51 event. Keep > > your > > > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a > > > ticket stub, we will accomidate you in some way as > > > well. > > > > > > Peace and love, > > > > > > Greg Sandler > > > > > > > > > ===== > > "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - > > That's my Bush > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >===== >_____________________________________________ >Moe Tavakoli > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69465-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 01:58:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77486 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 01:58:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77476 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 01:58:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.193.154] From: "veronica la rosa" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:58:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 01:58:23.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F32F8F0:01C113E4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: My new screen name I changed my AIM screen name from "MissAnthroPee33" to "GirlGoddass." I'm far too lazy to instant message everyone on my buddy list individually but I do know that half of them are on SFR. So please add my new screen name. Thank you. *curtsie* -Veronica- PS: Yes, it is supposed to be "goddass." My ass is God-like. And my ego is getting out of control. Quick! Someone insult me... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69466-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 02:03:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82292 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 02:03:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82274 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 02:03:57 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:15:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] AREA 52: My Assessment I've read the posts from those who were hurt by the failure of Area 52 to deliver as promised. I've read the post from the people who had fun, even though they did not receive what they paid for. And I've considered the official posts from the production company and Greg Sandler. Here is what I think, and I'm one of the people who lost money on this. First, I think it is very bad business practice to advertise a large commercial party until you have genuinely secured a location. That includes doing detailed contracts and nailing all permits. I've talked to people in the community who apparently knew about the conflict at Pier 35 way before the promoters did. Those of you who purchase tickets (including myself) -- don't buy a ticket from a promoter who advertises a "secure fully permitted location" and won't tell you where the location is. That's a sign that negotiations are still in place. There is no reason to keep a mass advertised "secure location" a secret. Before you buy a ticket to a commercial party that is permitted you should demand to know where it is, how long it will go, and what you need to do to go inside. If this info is not provided, don't buy a ticket until it is. Period. Unless we all demand full disclosure before we pay these troubles will never end. Now the positive stuff. I trust Greg Sandler. I know some of the other people involved in the creation of Area 52. They are not evil people involved in some unethical bait and switch operation. That is certain. They really wished to provide a quality experience at an extraordinary venue. People DO fail. I've had many failures in my life. So have you. And it seems they failed, for one reason or another, this time. That does not mean we should withdraw our support from Greg, Harmony, or any of the other promoters. Have compassion. And protect yourselves by requiring full disclosure in future. Failures like Area 51 tend to cause disunity in a community that is already suffering from internal strife and powerful oppression from society as a whole. It is my strong belief that we should put the infighting aside and move to create better structures in our community that will help assure that we can dance happily together in future. I know this is wildly idealistic thinking, but our backs are against the wall... 1. Unless we construct some unified promoter organization that will facilitate allocation of limited resources between promoters and club owners who are now, in some instances, viciously competitive, everyone will lose. Money. Credibility. And EDM's future. SFLNC does a great job working with government to keep the wolf away. But it is not in the business to bring promoters together to assure there are no venue conflicts, like Pier 35. Nor is there, as far as I know, any structure designed to keep promoters ethical, create honest guidelines for advertising, provide legal services, representation in local governments, and facilitate dialogue between competing promoters so that, for example, five house parties don't go down on a night where only two could reasonably be supported. Such an organization makes good business sense. Most commercial enterprises have such associations, and the commercial party/club scene is long overdue. 2. We as dancers should put aside our personal preferences and biases and unite as one family. I prefer undergrounds. You like clubs. She goes to massives. This one doesn't like the hip hop dancers. Many old schoolers have turned their backs on the younger, more commercialized parties...and the younger dancers. Doesn't matter. We are all on the same dance floor here. When one dancer falls, we are all hurt. If we look at the dance community collectively -- the gay scene, ravers, hip hop, underground, psytrance, house, Latin, hell, even ballroom -- there is power. Unfortunately many elements of the total dance community have no communications with other segments. Even worse, there is mistrust and sometimes hatred between dance groups. Coming together on general issues involving oppression of the dance scene doesn't mean we have to surrender our identities as ravers, circuit dancers, "secret" ug old schoolers, etc. Just means we stand together as diverse elements of the dance scene to assure that all of us have a floor to dance on in future. Common sense to me, but there seems to be little common sense in the world. My thoughts on a very sober Monday evening. Much love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69467-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 02:21:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94775 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 02:21:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94764 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 02:21:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5CDC7A.3D9ECDB4@iamthedj.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:24:58 -0700 From: Amber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [BSP] More CityDweller Hi everyone! Copies of my promotional CD are still available, but are going fast. New store locations added throughout the Bay Area and beyond! You can now pick up Amber's... CITYDWELLER: Acid Trance Lives Underground at... San Francisco: Frequency 8 (F8) 1816 Haight Street (@ Stanyan) (415) 221-4142 Amoeba 1855 Haight Street (@ Stanyan) (415) 831-1200 Housewares 1322 Haight Street (415) 252-1440 Braindrops 1881 Hayes Street (@ Ashbury) (415) 92-BRAIN Berkeley: Skills DJ Workshop 2575 Telegraph Ave (510) 704-9876 Amoeba 2455 Telegraph Ave (510) 549-1125 San Jose: Solid Grooves 2271 The Alameda (408) 248-6399 Santa Rosa: Harmonics 480 Mendocino Ave (707) 571-8747 Sacramento: In Tha Mix 2329 I Street (916) 442-0499 Subsonic Underground 1006 J Street (916) 441-2775 Vallejo: Sticky Vinyl 501 Georgia Street (707) 642-7302 And, as always, CDs are available at each of my gigs. 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You hate Amber. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69468-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 02:30:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 679 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 02:30:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 658 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 02:30:10 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.100.180] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:29:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 02:29:39.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D3106F0:01C113E8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp: Matrix West:Friday JULY 27th:$10 before 10:30! 9pm-4am!! Hey people.. I'm helping a new club out a lot.. hope to see some of you out there this Friday! Spin Knowledge is proud to present a new event every Friday night: Club Matrix West! Located at 1803 Webster St.-Downtown Oakland Information #: 510.596.8909 9pm-4am FULLY Permitted! $10 admission before 10:30 $15 admission after 10:30 18+ with ID please! July 27th Lineup: Room One: Trance/NRG Morgan (HardNRG.com, Lotek Records) .One of the pioneers of the UK Hard House/Hard NRG sound in the US.. Morgan is taking it to new heights! Having played from coast to coast sharing his style to anyone who wants to hear, Morgan has gained a lot of popularity throughout the country! Elemental (www.elemenal.nu) .Known as both a DJ and VJ, Elemental has for quite sometime proven his talents far beyond just that of your normal DJ. Do not miss his set this night! Bazooka Joe (DJBazookaJoe.com) .One of the fastest rising names in the UK Hard House/Hard NRG scene here in the Bay Area, Bazooka Joe seems to be on a mission! His skills behind the decks are not to be taken lightly! DJ Reese (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Spin Knowledge) .Another one of the fast rising UK Hard House/Hard NRG talents in the bay.. Reese will take you from fun to happy and happy to fun and back again! A true crowd pleaser.. he will not only have ya dancin but have ya smilin! Reclipse .Having made his debut at the grand opening of Club Matrix West, we just had to have him back! With his signature style of Melodic and Progressive Trance.. please do not miss this soon to be crowd favorite! Room Two: House/US Hard House/Techno DJ Pat (Teknique, Fresno) .One of the Hardest working and best Techno DJs on the west coast! If you don't know.. you need to experience a set from this world re-known DJ! Having been one of the only American DJs to ever play at some of the most respected German locales.. his respect for his music and what he's been able to do with it is unparalleled! DJ Tronic (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Resistance Recordings) .Pioneering the new sound of US Hard House.. DJ Tronic has seemed to be on a mission to share his music with the masses! With a full CD Release on Menace Records in early August, as well as releases on his US Hard House label Resistance Recordings-this well traveled DJ is just out to show what this new style is all about! Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com/Supernova) *Special House Set!* .One of the best DJs on the Happy Hardcore scene today, she drops those Hardcore records off at home and packs her House records just for this night! If you love her playing Hardcore, do not miss this RARE House set from her! Elektrolyte (Nueroscience Creations) .Alter egoes aside.. this man truly loves MUSIC! There's nothing better than dancing to and watching a DJ who loves music.. so we know for a fact that Elektrolyte will not cease to impress! A true acid techno/techno DJ.. from the moment his first record starts to the last record ends.. you will be dancing! Jayvi Velasco (Groove Industry) .One of the more respected House DJs makes his residency here at Club Matrix West! Droppin that House music to make ya move! Club Matrix West is brought to you every Friday Night! Do Not miss out on this new Club! Different themes every Friday.. different DJs.. same great vibe! Hope to see you out there! Upcoming Talent: August 3rd: Thee-O (Biohazard, Los Angeles), Justin Hale (Secret Society), Michael Liu (Illumination, Secret Society) August 10th: Spree (Sonicfury.net, Minneapolis) 2x4 Cloudskipper(LiquidVinylDJs.com, Supernova, Sonicfury.net), DJ Tony (Menace Records/Underground Sound Los Angeles) if you'd like to submit a demo to play at Club Matrix West.. feel free to drop me an email at djtronic@liquidvinyldjs.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69469-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 03:00:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18919 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 03:00:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18909 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 03:00:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.174.129.171] From: "A G" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:59:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 02:59:44.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0EA76D0:01C113EC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Trees N Beats update If you have any questions or would like to be added to the email list drop us a line at info@treesnbeats.com Check it out: http://www.treesnbeats.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69470-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 03:00:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19535 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 03:00:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19509 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 03:00:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.174.129.171] From: "A G" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:59:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 02:59:51.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[B506B5D0:01C113EC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Trees N Beats update If you have any questions or would like to be added to the email list drop us a line at info@treesnbeats.com Check it out: http://www.treesnbeats.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69471-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 03:00:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20405 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 03:00:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20385 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 03:00:31 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.174.129.171] From: "A G" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:59:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 03:00:00.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA5F4560:01C113EC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Trees N Beats update If you have any questions or would like to be added to the email list drop us a line at info@treesnbeats.com Check it out: http://www.treesnbeats.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69472-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 03:44:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48796 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 03:44:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48752 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 03:44:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:44:25 -0700 Message-Id: <200107240344.UAA03903@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.27.182.42] From: "Stephanie Bitters" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: :LinkD >Friday July 27th, > >Splank & Tusk1st Proudly Present:::: > >:LinkD > >Mystical Influence - Vinyl Syndicate: Toronto, CANADA. >Prepare for dance floor destruction. If you've seen this guy before you know what I am takin' a boot! > >Fury - terraformat Recordings: Denver, Colorado. >Tha Godfather of Denver's DnB. Give it up. > >Ivry :: Aye-N - Splank/Compound: San Francisco, CA. >These record slangin' cuties are together once again for some turntable team action. Boh! > >Local support from MAL and the MC Blest. > >330 Ritch Street, SF. :: 18 and up. > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >.COMPRESSION. .COMPOUND RECORDS. .CITIZEN 7. .ES. .VINYL SYNDICATE. ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69473-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 04:18:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69806 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 04:18:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69795 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 04:18:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:17:19 -0700 From: chazz gold In-reply-to: <20010723061056.EB19B36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> To: Sfraves , osby@ratkoonrat.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] AREA 51 yeah isn't it -----Original Message----- From: Osby [mailto:osby@ratkoonrat.net] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 11:11 PM To: chazz gold; Sfraves Subject: Re: [sfraves] AREA 51 LOLOLOLOL......That's Funny Chazz!! --- chazz gold > wrote: >for all you dummy's out there who are complaining and bitching about this >party myself and my girlfriend Juvey were ther taking photos >I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE YOU ALL HAD FUN >So shut up!!!!!!! >Chazz > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69474-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 04:24:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74687 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 04:24:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74675 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 04:24:14 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:24:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: "veronica la rosa" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.33] Message-Id: <20010724042408.A0349273F@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: My new screen name Oh Yeah Veroninca...weren't U the lil' chica walkin' around the Beach during CF sayin, "I Am Jesus!" --- "veronica la rosa" > wrote: >I changed my AIM screen name from "MissAnthroPee33" to "GirlGoddass." I'm >far too lazy to instant message everyone on my buddy list individually but I >do know that half of them are on SFR. So please add my new screen name. >Thank you. > >*curtsie* > >-Veronica- > > >PS: Yes, it is supposed to be "goddass." My ass is God-like. And my ego is >getting out of control. Quick! Someone insult me... > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69475-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 04:35:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82844 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 04:35:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82832 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 04:35:51 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.57] From: "veronica la rosa" To: osby@ratkoonrat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:35:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 04:35:19.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B823940:01C113FA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: My new screen name <> Well, yes and no. I did say I was Jesus once but I can't remember why. Becca do you or Ira remember? And I said I was *like* Jesus a couple other times while I was lighting the path for some people. You know, Jesus lights up the world or something like that. I was silly that night. -Veronica- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69476-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 04:56:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89203 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 04:56:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89193 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 04:56:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:56:46 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <000a01c113fd$0a52d9a0$f407c43f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C113C2.5DD248D0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ? at the Area 51 After party in Milpitas/Fremont ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C113C2.5DD248D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WHo was the chick spinnin breaks around 4-6am at the oakland area 51 = afterparty that wa sin the boonies of liek oakland/fremont (where coke = was thrown)??? she was so tight and damn she was pretty good lookin ;0) = Please someone help me out here :D w0o0o0o0diE ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C113C2.5DD248D0-- From sfraves-return-69477-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 05:11:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94699 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 05:11:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94687 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 05:11:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:10:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: Raver cc: moetavakoli@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20010723152933.00ba8008@qix.netcorps.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] One more thing - re: AREA 51 >I don't see you doing any better. Why don't you show us how much better of >a promoter you are rather than talking shit about something you don't >appear to have a clue about. Oh please - we've all heard this argument a thousand times before, and repetition does not make it any more coherent. I'm not a movie director - am I unfit to comment on the merits of the latest Spielberg flick? I'm no politician, so I should keep my mouth shut when Dubya decides to sell the country's future down the river? Just because we're not promoters doesn't mean we're not fit to evaluate the success or failure of one. In fact, given that a significant percentage of list members paid good money for an event that was not delivered *even close* to as-advertised, I'd say Area 51 is very deserving of a harsh critique. I can only assume that Greg & Co. did not act with malicious intent (how could they, in a business that relies on repeat customers and the cooperation of production crews and artists more than anything?), but it doesn't change the fact that something went disturbingly wrong this weekend on a grand scale. That is all - I'm too close to this one. :P -mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69478-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 06:29:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21153 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 06:29:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21142 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 06:29:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:30:56 -0700 From: Evan In-reply-to: <20010723202321.33531.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? I don't think DnB is stagnant at all; in fact, I think it's getting OUT of a period of stagnancy and into dope new territory. Sure, there's occasionally a glut of a certain sound or a producer but there's always something fresh. Everyone's got a style: Digital and Spirit with their dubbed out, ragga-influenced sound, Dylan & Loxy with their energized old skool-influenced tracks, A-Sides with his more dancefloor-friendly, musical beats, V Records which are blowing the whole thing wide open right now with the Brazil EP and the range of music they're into, Hospital (as Genome mentioned) with nice clean vocally jazz rollers, and the list goes on.... And DnB hasn't been "boom cha" since the "techstep" days of '97-'98 (when Niko from No-U-Turn was runnin tings or "Alien Girl" just came out)! It's all fresh, original (or as the case is often these day, old skool) breaks chopped up with tons of ethnic flavor dropped over top: bongos, little percussive sounds, etc. I don't know where you go to hear your music or who you listen to most of the time, but I think that might largely play a part in your perception of the music. The only category of DnB that I consider to be somewhat stagnant is atmospheric-- Bukem, PFM, and many others did a lot for it 4-5 years ago but personally I don't see a lot of progression in it. I wish I did because it's some of the more beautiful music I've heard when it's been good (remember PFM's "One & Only" or Peshay's "Piano Tune?"). Evan On 7/23/01 1:23 PM, "Jess ica" wrote: > >>> Although I didn't go, I think you should be alittle more open to >>> dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass is one of the most stagnet >>> music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet if people complain anytime >>> somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. Your prolly correct that >>> it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to sit back and grab another >>> drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other room and come back when the >>> music returns to something you are more happy with. > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, can't we all just get over > the "boom cha"? > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really made sense until now. I > love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced it, but the clean, > danceable sounds many may be used to originated from sounds that weren't so > dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing how much the genre has > evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, and how everybody has their > own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing but props to those that decide > to change the "rules" and add creativity to a somewhat anthem like setting. > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > Jess > > Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski > wrote: > >> Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to >> be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from >> others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set >> did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because >> they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are >> sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or >> whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes >> during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore >> intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I >> can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on >> there. > > > I'm bummed that I didn't make it out now that I know SS was able > to throw down in the last hour. Props to dMarie and folks for prolly > saving his night and showing him San fran has some real people that > actuallly have their heart were it should be. > > peace, > jahsh > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69479-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 07:01:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33575 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 07:01:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33565 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 07:01:38 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.194.191] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:01:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 07:01:06.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[69018710:01C1140E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Help on canada, please..... I will be going up to vancouver canada from the 15th - 19th of august. I was wondering if anyone has ever been up there or anywhere near there and knew about the night life. Sucks that i can not head up to the tree's n beats camp out. Mike clark out in the forest. Good shit! Anyway, i would prefer help with the night life up there. Seeing that i am of age up there, the week should be amazing. Oh, by the way, any club with house/techno or dnb is what i prefer. Thanks! Peace, Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69480-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 08:35:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66865 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 08:35:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66852 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 08:35:12 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c11419$7c940d60$0206a8c0@josh> Reply-To: "Josh.Illion" From: "Josh.Illion" To: "Aaron Dixon" , References: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:20:22 -0700 Organization: Elysium Music International MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Help on canada, please..... contact emotion@elysiumusic.com she is one of our djs in calgary she can help u out ;) Josh Illion - josh@elysiumusic.com Executive Producer/Artist Management Elysium Music International http://www.elysiumusic.com Telephone/Fax: 1.877.504.2887 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Dixon" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: [sfraves] Help on canada, please..... > I will be going up to vancouver canada from the 15th - 19th of august. I > was wondering if anyone has ever been up there or anywhere near there and > knew about the night life. Sucks that i can not head up to the tree's n > beats camp out. Mike clark out in the forest. Good shit! Anyway, i would > prefer help with the night life up there. Seeing that i am of age up there, > the week should be amazing. Oh, by the way, any club with house/techno or > dnb is what i prefer. Thanks! > > Peace, > Aaron > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69481-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 10:19:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24008 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 10:19:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23967 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 10:19:48 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c11428$1ebdff20$0206a8c0@josh> From: "Josh.Illion" To: "sfraves" , "sacraves" , , Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:02:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C113ED.07155520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Dear Nor Cal ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C113ED.07155520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear San Francisco, For those of you whom do no know me my name is Josh Illion, The owner of Elysium Music. I=20 know many of you may not have heard of me or Elysium. I am writting this letter to ask for your support. We=20 have done many things from hosting buzz zone 2 @ Feel Good's 5th annual Megga-Buzz to hosting a night at FTP's club ARC. We are a tek-house based collective wanting=20 to bring a a new flavor to SF and Nor Cal. Most of our=20 DJ's are from the central valley, however we do have=20 DJ's from Canada and England whom will both be here in=20 September. This is the month that will make or break us,=20 as we will ne doing many things this month. We need all=20 the support we can get. I have been handed the biggest=20 challenge of my life and need help from each and every=20 one of you to make it work. First, September 14th we will be hosting a room at the Colossal Music Festival. DJ Emotion from Canada will be her again and Lee Foster from England will make his USA debut!! Plus the rest of our roster will be playing. I=20 have hand picked these DJ's because I feel they are some=20 of the best I have ever heard. I have agreed to work with a promoter whom wants to do a massive but does not have the capital to go as crazy as most. Flyers for this event are limited and I dont even have enough to flood all the=20 massives I need to. Pre-Sales are $25 and I beg that you all get them so that one of the greatest venues of all=20 time will survive and contiune to grow. The line up is at=20 the end of this email and I'm sure you will be happy. This event is in Manteca, one hour from Sac one hour from SF!!! Its the perfrect venue to house a Nor Cal event. Plus hotel rooms here are under $50 a night so get them now!!! They are selling out fast!!! This event is selling out fast and a good friend of mine, the Police Capt. himself, who happens to live next door and be a=20 a person whom I grew up with as a role model, has assured me=20 this event will go until at least 4am. I am taking a chance=20 and using a life long built trust, to give you all a chance to=20 come to this city and party. Please respect that and be safe and clean on this awsome night. Second, I ask all of you that are over 21 to come to club 6 on September the 21, Thats a Friday. If all goes well this night Elysium Music will land it's first monthly. It goes from 9-2=20 and is $10.00 to enter. But as time goes on the hours may=20 become longer. We just need to proove SF loves us as much as the Valley. If we get less than 400 people we lose this chance. Please help, give up one night of your life to help us hit our goal. We try hard for all of you, is one night to much to ask? SF, You made me LOVE this MUSIC, this SCENE, you HELPED me walk away from a bad life and get where I am now. I am asking... NO, begging.. that you all help me once again and at least give Elysium Music a chance. Get everyone you know to attend these two events. The 21 and up, hit our Sept. 21 event it effects us way more then Colossal as it will be the first time Elysium does its own thing in SF. Comes see something new, nothing like SF has seen before. We will do our best to entertain you. Thats all we can do you. But I can promise it will be something like you have never seen before. I love you all and thank you 2 those whom have supported us. Colossal Music Festival 2001 Saturday September 15th, 2001 Global 1, Featuring: Techno/Trance/NRG: Angel Alanis - A Squared/Champion Sound/angelalanis.com, Chicago (Cd = Release "Accelerated Motion") Barry Weaver - Equinox Music, San Diego Rick V - In Tha Mix Recordings/Clockwork eventz, Sacramento Ron Reeser aka RKTECH - Clockwork eventz, San Francisco=20 David Garcia - Solmatic/Soulphusion/Radioactive DJ's, San Francisco Joey Mazzola - AM Crew/Radioactive DJ's, San Francisco Vince - In Tha Mix Recordings, Sacramento DJ D - www.dj-d.com, Berkley Ultraman - Divine Intervention, Sacramento Yokozuna - Divine Intervention, Sacremento Junio - Divine Intervention, Sacremento/Taipei Global 2, Featuring: Drum & Bass/Jungle R.A.W. - Surveillance Sound/Los Angeles Machete - Respect/Junglist Platoon, Los Angeles C.R.S. - Tonz of Drumz/Herbn Music/Rufnek, Los Angeles Billy Lane - Black Locust/916 Junglist, Sacremento DJ Tao - Black Locust/Insomniac, Sacramento Slim - Black Locust/UMS, Sacramento Megatron - Mecehasoul/ASR, San Francisco Tofu De La Moore - Black Locust/UMS, Sacramento DJ Push - True Intent/Futurebreaks/FM/Etnie, San Francisco MC L-Ski - Black Locust/ARC Recordings, Sacramento DJ Eva - Sleeveless/Etnies, San Francisco Frost - Foundation/Black Locust, Sacramento Global 3, Featuring: HardNRG/Progressive House/Trance/Funky House Thomas Trouble - Blutonium Records/The Agency/theagencysanfrancisco.com, = San Francisco vs.=20 Paul Grogan - Rampant Records Fame, Los Angeles SF's leading trance DJ/Producer Thomas Trouble has teamed up with LA = legend Paul Grogan for an explosive 2 x 4 set. This event is also the offical = record release party for this duo's new monster track "Maxima". The suspense is = high and you guys will be the first to hear it.... at Colossal!!! Frank Nitty vs. DJ Ghost (Ghost Tribe, Bay Area) This pair of SF legends are going head to head on a 2 x 4 set that you=20 wont want to miss as everyone remembers them from the old school days. JAXX The Ripper - Ultasounz/www.djAjax.com, San Francisco Freddy - In Tha Mix/Natrillykleen, Sacramento Dragn'Fly - Epiphany/www.djdragnfly.com/, Sacramento Dyloot - Skills, Berkeley Tom Slick - Skills, Berkeley Kendra French - Girls are DJ's Too, Sacramento DJ Menace - Kreative Ent., Sacramento Global 4, Hosted By Elysium Music International, Featuring a LIVE VIP = Stage!!! Exclusive Live Preformance By: Sarina Paris (sarinaparis.com) Priority/Playland Recording artist Sarina Paris with her debut album=20 featuring the smash hit singles "Look at Us" and "Just about enough" Look for her new album to be released in September. Be the first to hear = it at Colossal Music Festival 2001!!! Lee Foster - Elysium Music, England UK You will not want to miss this historcal preformance as Lee Foster takes = to American turntables for the first time ever! He has become one of the = most well respected DJ's on the circut in the UK and abroad, now he will show America why! DJ Emotion - Elysium Music, Calgary Canada Dean Kroh - Elysium Music, California - LIVE/Turntables Kidloose - Feelgood Entertainment, San Francisco Headcase - Elysium Music, California DJ Liquid - Journees Music/Remix/Million Wishes, San Francisco Limacon - Elysium Music, Santa Cruz - LIVE PA Temp:o - Elysium Music, California R.Z. - Elysium Music, California Free CD, Tape, T-shirt giveaways from Elysium Music. DJ Liquid's offical CD release + giveaways from Remix Clothing ------------- Colossal Global Entertainment presents the ultimate interactive dance = festival. Hosted in a massive virgin location, experience the vibe that only the = best, top-notch, preformers of the millennium, can deliver. Featuring = international artists as well as your favorite local DJ's EXCLUSIVE FEATURED INTERNATIONAL PREFORMERS Lee Foster (Elysium Music, UK) Lee has played in many of the UK's super-clubs. He has a polished and = diverse trance style and is quick to adapt to his enviroment. This will be his = first US=20 appearance and slready we feel sure it wont be his last. DJ Emotion (Elysium Music, Canada) DJ Emotion is returning to California once again to deliver a mind = blowing preformance. Since her last apperance in SF she has become a global icon = will all UK hardhouse/NRG fans. If you missed her 1999, you DO NOT want = to miss this very rare Northern California apperance. MASSIVE SOUND AND LIGHTING BY: Divine Interventions/Stim-U-Lights Buy your presales early to avoid lines and no entry.=20 $25.00 now, $30 after Aug.15, $40.00 @ The Door By online @ groovetickets.com All presale holders are guaranteed quick entry. Party responsibly, all ages welcome.=20 100% fully permitted super virgin venue.=20 One our from the Bay, One Hour From Sacremento!!! Gates open 4:00pm sharp This is a ALL DAY - ALL NIGHT event!!! Tickets: Sacramento - Dimple Records (916) 925-2600 Sacramento - The Beat (916) 442-0499=20 Sacramento - In Tha Mix (916) 442-0499 Davis - Armadillo (530) 758-8058 Fairfeild - Rock On (707) 422-2028 Stockton/Modesto - The Vinyl Shop (209) 238-9734 Berkeley - Skills (510) 204-9876 San Francisco - F8 Records (415) 221-4142 San Francisco - Spundae Records (415) 575-1580 Peninsula/South Bay - Ultasounz (650) 871-4170 San Jose - Solid Grooves (408) 248-6399 INFO ON THIS EVENT 800-615-5071 :: 916-431-3146 colossalmusicfest.com globalmusic69@hotmail.com ------------------ Elysium Music Presents... BEATIFIC=20 Friday, September 21 2001 Featuring Your Beloved Local Elysium Music DJ's Dean Kroh, Temp:o, Headcase, Chuck G... plus!!! Emotion (Calgary, Canada) 21 and up, $10 gains access 8:00PM - 2:00AM club SIX 60 Sixth Street, San Francisco=20 http://www.clubsix1.com :: http://www.elysiumusic.com ------------- 1-877-504-2887 elysium info line :: toll free =20 Kindest Regards, Josh Illion - josh@elysiumusic.com Executive Producer/Artist Management Elysium Music International http://www.elysiumusic.com Telephone/Fax: 1.877.504.2887 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C113ED.07155520-- From sfraves-return-69482-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 14:20:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23095 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 14:20:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23085 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 14:20:26 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c1144c$1c22d780$41c10518@pinol1.sfba.home.com> From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:22:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] B.S.P Electro night @ Impulse hey hey, Another night of variety at Impulse.....we try to keep it interesting. So hang on to your hats it's electro night *dun dun dun Dj's: Raf-one Jon Santos Forest Green Chris Burfine Located: 1176 sutter @ Polk at the An Sibin 21 and up 9-2 free before 10 $3 after See You Tonight! - jeremy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69483-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 15:01:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54326 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 15:01:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54316 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 15:01:41 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Tue) Take the folks at Coca-Cola. For many years, they were content to sit back and make the same old carbonated beverage. It was a good beverage, no question about it; generations of people had grown up drinking it and doing the experiment in sixth grade where you put a nail into a glass of Coke and after a couple of days the nail dissolves and the teacher says: "Imagine what it does to your TEETH!" So Coca-Cola was solidly entrenched in the market, and the management saw no need to improve ... -- Dave Barry, "In Search of Excellence" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69484-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 15:31:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78414 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 15:31:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78366 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 15:31:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:30:41 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] PAY OFF THE AUTHORITIES If I had $100,000 to throw an event I'd.... BE DAMN SURE TO PAY OFF THE COPS AND ANYONE ELSE WHO THREATENED MY EVENT people don't wanna believe it, but raves are part of the underground economy it's rotten...but that's how you get things done... you gotta grease the works -blindspot --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69485-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 15:41:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93480 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 15:41:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93447 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 15:41:57 -0000 From: "Sameer Parekh" To: "blindspot" , Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:40:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] PAY OFF THE AUTHORITIES then you'd have no money left to pay the DJs, the lighting people, the visuals people, the space owner, etc. try $500,000+ -s -----Original Message----- From: blindspot [mailto:blindspot@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:31 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] PAY OFF THE AUTHORITIES If I had $100,000 to throw an event I'd.... BE DAMN SURE TO PAY OFF THE COPS AND ANYONE ELSE WHO THREATENED MY EVENT people don't wanna believe it, but raves are part of the underground economy it's rotten...but that's how you get things done... you gotta grease the works -blindspot --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69486-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 16:16:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31140 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 16:16:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31130 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 16:16:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724161559.75556.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: angela To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] about this area 51 thing... I just want to say that despite all the drama i still had a good time at area 51. i'm not too crazy about the maritime but hey, why let things out of your control ruin your good time? i met some great people and danced to some great music. that's why i go to raves anyway. it's unfortunate that everyone is focusing on the negative in the situation. did any of you who went have fun???? i hope so! and...well...that's all i have to say about that. =) peace angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69487-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 16:27:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43036 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 16:27:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43015 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 16:27:54 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010724092826.00bafed8@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:28:45 -0700 To: "veronica la rosa" ,sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: My new screen name Do I really need to insult the Ass God? rofl! sarilion At 01:58 AM 7/24/2001 +0000, veronica la rosa wrote: >I changed my AIM screen name from "MissAnthroPee33" to "GirlGoddass." I'm >far too lazy to instant message everyone on my buddy list individually but >I do know that half of them are on SFR. So please add my new screen name. >Thank you. > >*curtsie* > >-Veronica- > > >PS: Yes, it is supposed to be "goddass." My ass is God-like. And my ego is >getting out of control. Quick! Someone insult me... > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69488-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 16:49:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63628 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 16:49:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63618 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 16:49:14 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: Cc: "f8" , "Greg Sandler" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:49:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C11425.E87A01E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 16:48:46.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[81B1E5A0:01C11460] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Oakland A51 Question ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C11425.E87A01E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another thing i don't understand... Happy kid's threw a party in Oakland just a few weeks ago, this party = started @ 11:00pm and went all the way untill 7:00am strong! And the = cops were even outside making sure that everything was okay...=20 How come Area 51 got broken up at 1:00am? Wasn't it permitted? Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C11425.E87A01E0-- From sfraves-return-69489-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 16:54:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72711 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 16:54:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72652 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 16:54:24 -0000 Message-ID: <1162359.995993660829.JavaMail.root@smtp.backend.another.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:54:20 +0100 (BST) From: Amber@technohead.co.uk To: cloude_sf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="2813179.995993660633.JavaMail.root@www-a22" X-Funmail-UID: 2252647 X-Senders-IP: unknown X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) --2813179.995993660633.JavaMail.root@www-a22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=646 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think if you're so old and tired of going out to raves and hearing horror stories why did you choose to go to this event. You are apparently on sfraves, and hear about events that seem pretty damn secure getting shut down. The government, nation, state, county, city doesn't LIKE US. We post a "threat" you know, I'm sure you've heard it all before, and so they and society makes venue holders not want to give us the time of day. It's just a fact. If you want something safe, and fun to do stick to your clubs, and house parties, because Raves come with all sorts of dangers. Losing money is by far one of the less dangerous of them. Sure it's an inconvenience but damn its just some money. And if you're that upset about money then you've apparently got other issues. I've personally lost tons of money buying presales for parties that I couldn't get into, or that didn't happen, but I wasn't pissed off. I understand that shit happens. I usually meet up with my friends and have a few drinks or go do something equally as dumb and have fun. On the other hand, I've lost tons of money and have gotten in to some less than stellar party I wish I didn't get into, and then it happens some party that just rocks the socks right off of me and makes it all worth while. So perhaps you should look into either growing all the way up and Quit going to parties all together because it's cramping your lifestyle or calming down a bit and realizing how hard it is for promoters once in a while. I've been on that side before and have a great appreciation for all the promoter does. -Amber >>From: cloude >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>CC: Greg Sandler >>Subject: [sfraves] AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) >>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:23:19 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Hello Greg, (and sfraves) >> >>I don't want to be just another ?pissed off raver? >>because I'm not. I'm not a raver. I'm a somewhat >>average 27 year old guy who likes to go to dance (at a >>houseparty, club, concert, street party, my living >>room, rave, whatever). I've been partying since I was >>much younger, but don't want to get into semantics >>about being old school or whatever. It really doesn't >>matter. I am pissed off though. >> >>The reason I bought a ticket for area 51, is because >>the lineup looked reasonable good, and it was going to >>be in the city. I'm so over the scene having to >>cruise around from my house to map points to parties >>etc, I've done my share. I wanted to head downtown, >>to where the party was, and not worry about anything. >>I've avoided all other massives in the past, because >>I've heard of horror stories regarding >>permits/cancellations/venue changes etc, and I didn't >>think this could happen. >> >>Your massive was going to be held in downtown San >>Francisco... that's why I bought the ticket. >> >>My main question to you, and all the other >>promoters/party planners now, is how the hell do you >>sell tickets to an event, without knowing it's going >>to take place for sure? It seems pretty criminal to >>me. I've been speaking with one of my friends, an >>attorney who was planning on coming with me, until I >>told him about what was going down on Saturday. The >>only words that he mentioned were ?class action?. >> >>I'm entitled to a refund, no questions asked. That's >>pretty much the bottom line. You promised (on very >>expensive glossy fliers I may add) 300,000 square feet >>of space in San Francisco (among other things... I am >>not going to repeat all the promises). I don't have a >>car, but luckily had a friend heading to Berkeley (for >>something else) on Saturday afternoon, so I took a >>ride with him (mainly to humor myself) and checked out >>the line at Skills. I didn't even get out of the car. >> It took us almost an hour to get there, and the >>people who were getting off the line were complaining >>about how long they had been standing there. I >>appreciate the effort for the last minute crunch, but >>it was handled unprofessionally. >> >>I pre-ordered my ticket from the ThumpRadio website >>(who by the way, throw great parties that come through >>each and every time) and I refused to stand in line >>for over an hour, to get to go to LESS THAN HALF the >>party for which I paid for (at the Maritime, which I >>avoid like the plague anyway). >> >>So now here I am, with not even a ticket stub in my >>hand (just a receipt confirming a ticket that I never >>picked up, because you sent thousands of people to a >>small store in Berkeley.) >> >>OH yeah, what ever happened to those debriefing emails >>we were supposed to receive. Never came... but I >>could have predicted that. Maybe our grey little >>friends.....hmmmmm. >> >>I ended up having a great time on Saturday night >>regardless (not at your scam/event) but each and every >>single person that I told your story to (most of which >>are respectable business people, attorneys, >>physicians, artists, djs, promoters) informed me that >>what you have done is inexcusable. >> >>Just because the majority of people attending your >>events are younger, doesn't mean that you have the >>right to take advantage of them, and think that they >>are not going to do anything in response to your poor >>planning. Their hard earned money, like mine, was >>spent on your crappy ass ?event.? >> >>(To those younger ravers reading this... take this as >>a lesson, and make sure to share your experiences with >>your friends, family, and people you meet. It's >>important to get this awareness out there in the >>public, so future people are not taken advantage of >>like we were.) >> >>To be quite honest, I think each and every single >>person who paid for the event is entitled to not only >>a refund, but we deserve to see the ?permits? in >>question, and more specifically, have them online for >>everyone to see. >> >>I don't believe that you ever had a secured venue, nor >>do most people. You have to take my word on that, as >>I took your word, and forked over my cash to your >>scam. >>You need to post every single permit you had for this >>event online for everyone to see (obviously black out >>sensitive materials). >> >>Greg, we're all business people in one way or another. >> Some better than others, some worse than many. I >>know you were put in a very hard place, but my faith >>in your parties, and massives in general have gone >>down the drain. >> >>It is imperative that you work with me, and the rest >>of the people who paid to make us happy. That's why >>we bought a ticket. To have fun. The customer is >>always right, and whether its 16 year old Sunshyne, or >>45 year old Bob the Dancer Dude, we gave you our >>money, you stole it. >> >>I'm a casual lurker on the sfraves list, and have been >>for a while. I hate to burst out and make this a rant >>post, but after going to parties since the early 90s >>(on three different continents) I have never seen >>anything as unprofessional and ridiculous as this. >> >>Thanks for your time, >>Sorry to write so much, >> >>Cloude >> >> >>PS. Greg --- tell me who I need to contact to get my >>money back, like i said, I purchased my ticket through >>the ThumpRadio website. >> >> >>PPS. If anyone has read this far, feel free to >>comment on my post, I know people will agree and >>disagree alike, but I'm curious to hear what you all >>have to say as well. I hope your Saturday was fun in >>any case. Have fun. See you all at some point (I >>hope). >> >> >> >>--- Greg Sandler wrote: >> > First off, >> > >> > This post is directly from Greg Sandler (that's me), >> > as opposed to the last post which was sent from >> > someone else at the Harmony Productions office. >> > >> > On a more personal note, I wanted to thank EVERYONE >> > who came together at the last minute to help our >> > tired, dis-enchanted, and confused crew. If it was >> > not for a few key people (who shall remain nameless) >> > we could not have put anything together at the last >> > minute. Thank you. >> > >> > As for my personal thought on the event... I had my >> > oppositions to moving the event instead of >> > postponing it. But being that we had all of the >> > artists in town and everything else was in place, >> > we figured we should at the very least do something >> > small and accomadate all of our ticket holders. It >> > was never our intention to fuck anyone over or piss >> > people off, we just wanted to put on a killer event >> > with the music that we love. >> > >> > I definately understand that when things don't go >> > right, all the ravers are bound to get pissed. But >> > what I want to explain to all of you, is that we >> > went through a lot of work to get this event to >> > happen. I think it takes balls of steal to put a >> > show together (at the last minute) knowing that no >> > matter what happens, you are going to lose over >> > $100K (due to a smaller capacity). The reason we >> > did that was for all of you. To us, we were going to >> > lose that money whether we cancelled or not. In >> > fact, we most likely would have lost less money if >> > we cancelled, but we wanted to come through on some >> > level. I am asking you to at least understand our >> > intensions. >> > >> > The people that know and understand what promoters >> > go through in situations like ours, have to at least >> > respect us for giving it our best efforts. That is >> > what this rave scene is about, or at least was >> > about.... >> > >> > On a final personal note, whether you like us, love >> > us, or at this point hate us, please hang onto your >> > AREA 51 ticket. The reason is, that we (AREA 51) are >> > right now planning our next AREA 51 event. Keep your >> > ticket and get in for free. If you still have a >> > ticket stub, we will accomidate you in some way as >> > well. >> > >> > Peace and love, >> > >> > Greg Sandler >> > >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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I'm holding on to nothing and I'm fine.*** Email just got more fun @ another.com http://another.com --2813179.995993660633.JavaMail.root@www-a22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --2813179.995993660633.JavaMail.root@www-a22-- From sfraves-return-69490-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 17:02:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83074 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 17:02:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83064 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 17:02:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.34.88] From: "Chris V" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:01:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 17:01:55.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[57DDAAA0:01C11462] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Oakland A51 Question Speaking of the Happy Kids party... you shoulda seen all the pissed off hockey players the next morning. >From: "Cheese" >To: >CC: "f8" , "Greg Sandler" >Subject: [sfraves] Oakland A51 Question >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:49:18 -0700 > >Another thing i don't understand... > >Happy kid's threw a party in Oakland just a few weeks ago, this party >started @ 11:00pm and went all the way untill 7:00am strong! And the cops >were even outside making sure that everything was okay... > >How come Area 51 got broken up at 1:00am? Wasn't it permitted? > > >Timothy >**Cheese** >itswidow@hotmail.com >http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69491-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 17:02:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83470 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 17:02:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83437 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 17:02:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724170225.68353.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: The Summer To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (((PHUTURO))) Tonite: DJ DZ w/MC TYGREENO- (TX) past -> present -> (((PHUTURO))) Phunckateck residents/MC Duh tuesdays / the top / 424 haight / SF / $5 / 21+ Tonite: 07/24/2001 DJ DZ with MC TYGREENO (Lostrack,TX) and... coming up NEXT WEEK:: Phuturo brings you an exclusive night with::: M A R C U S I N T A L E X (Metalheadz/31 Recordings/CIA-UK) _____________________ www.phuturo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69492-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 17:27:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11211 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 17:27:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11201 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 17:27:08 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:27:26 -0600 From: wishfm To: Evan , , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078818846_341563_MIME_Part" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? --MS_Mac_OE_3078818846_341563_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thank you, Evan. Much respect for the clarification. Your point of perception is everything. And, for the rest of you... the ones who only hear the 'boom-cha'... you were the same people who were saying D&B was stagnant in the mid-90's, at a time when all you heard in the music was the amen rollouts and dark b-lines. And suddenly, there was New Forms from Reprazent, Adam F's debut LP and a little tune called- Brand New Funk, the afformentioned No U Turn onslaught, Grooveriders 'Rainbows of Colour' LP, Shy FX's 'Bambaata', Rams highly influential Trilogy series, Boyemerang's 'Balance Of Force', Photeks vaarious hits, and, list the list goes on and on.... At this very moment, 'new steps of change' are being developed at every tempo, by a huge wave of producers that are constantly pushing the envelope. Just to name a few.... and, hopefully not offending anyone excluded - Dj Abstract, Teebee, K, Total Science, Klute, Die & Suv, Pieter K, and, this list goes on and on, as well... There is more progression in D&B recently, especially Stateside, than ANY OTHER GENRE. I challenge the naysayers to clinically explain any other movement in sound as prolific as the last 12 months of releases in the realm of jungle/D&B. Maybe 2 Step and Nuschool jocks will deabte this fact, but then hey... a good deal of that lot have been junglists for years. One good example? Check Juju's - THE SUMMER, on Renegade Hardware. Pure Hi-Fi, dancefloor killer. Technically, sonically - absolute precision... while somehow, still holding it's own as a party jam. Perfect. Basically, anyone who would say that D&B is stagnant is so completely ill informed that I would say that you just... don't get it. It's like saying, "house is stagnant.... all that's happening these days is the boom, boom, boom". Those who understand house are actually used to the same type of treatment, but usually from yuppies who live across the street from a 'house music house', who don't understand the strange repetitive beats that 'boom, boom, boom' til all hours on sunday mornings. I expect this kind of shit from yuppie neighbors. Not from the underground . You either get jungle or you don't. This point is becoming more clear to me every day. Radio doesn't get it. MTV sure as hell doesn't get it. Some house/trance heads don't even get it. My parents may never get it. I've decided that this isn't such a bad thing, though. wishfm From: Evan Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:30:56 -0700 To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? I don't think DnB is stagnant at all; in fact, I think it's getting OUT of a period of stagnancy and into dope new territory. Sure, there's occasionally a glut of a certain sound or a producer but there's always something fresh. Everyone's got a style: Digital and Spirit with their dubbed out, ragga-influenced sound, Dylan & Loxy with their energized old skool-influenced tracks, A-Sides with his more dancefloor-friendly, musical beats, V Records which are blowing the whole thing wide open right now with the Brazil EP and the range of music they're into, Hospital (as Genome mentioned) with nice clean vocally jazz rollers, and the list goes on.... And DnB hasn't been "boom cha" since the "techstep" days of '97-'98 (when Niko from No-U-Turn was runnin tings or "Alien Girl" just came out)! It's all fresh, original (or as the case is often these day, old skool) breaks chopped up with tons of ethnic flavor dropped over top: bongos, little percussive sounds, etc. I don't know where you go to hear your music or who you listen to most of the time, but I think that might largely play a part in your perception of the music. The only category of DnB that I consider to be somewhat stagnant is atmospheric-- Bukem, PFM, and many others did a lot for it 4-5 years ago but personally I don't see a lot of progression in it. I wish I did because it's some of the more beautiful music I've heard when it's been good (remember PFM's "One & Only" or Peshay's "Piano Tune?"). Evan On 7/23/01 1:23 PM, "Jess ica" wrote: > >>> Although I didn't go, I think you should be alittle more open to >>> dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass is one of the most stagnet >>> music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet if people complain anytime >>> somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. Your prolly correct that >>> it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to sit back and grab another >>> drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other room and come back when the >>> music returns to something you are more happy with. > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, can't we all just get over > the "boom cha"? > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really made sense until now. I > love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced it, but the clean, > danceable sounds many may be used to originated from sounds that weren't so > dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing how much the genre has > evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, and how everybody has their > own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing but props to those that decide > to change the "rules" and add creativity to a somewhat anthem like setting. > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > Jess > > Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski > wrote: > >> Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to >> be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from >> others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set >> did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because >> they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are >> sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or >> whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes >> during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore >> intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I >> can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on >> there. > > > I'm bummed that I didn't make it out now that I know SS was able > to throw down in the last hour. Props to dMarie and folks for prolly > saving his night and showing him San fran has some real people that > actuallly have their heart were it should be. > > peace, > jahsh > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --MS_Mac_OE_3078818846_341563_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-69493-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 17:53:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48734 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 17:53:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48723 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 17:53:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724175326.41886.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Mikey J Reply-To: mijo976@yahoo.com To: wishfm , Evan , thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? Jungle Fucking SUCKS! Drum and Bass is even worse... mj dub --- wishfm wrote: > Thank you, Evan. Much respect for the > clarification. Your point of > perception is everything. > > And, for the rest of you... the ones who only hear > the 'boom-cha'... you > were the same people who were saying D&B was > stagnant in the mid-90's, at a > time when all you heard in the music was the amen > rollouts and dark b-lines. > > And suddenly, there was New Forms from Reprazent, > Adam F's debut LP and a > little tune called- Brand New Funk, the > afformentioned No U Turn onslaught, > Grooveriders 'Rainbows of Colour' LP, Shy FX's > 'Bambaata', Rams highly > influential Trilogy series, Boyemerang's 'Balance Of > Force', Photeks > vaarious hits, and, list the list goes on and on.... > > At this very moment, 'new steps of change' are being > developed at every > tempo, by a huge wave of producers that are > constantly pushing the envelope. > Just to name a few.... and, hopefully not offending > anyone excluded - Dj > Abstract, Teebee, K, Total Science, Klute, Die & > Suv, Pieter K, and, this > list goes on and on, as well... > > There is more progression in D&B recently, > especially Stateside, than ANY > OTHER GENRE. I challenge the naysayers to > clinically explain any other > movement in sound as prolific as the last 12 months > of releases in the realm > of jungle/D&B. Maybe 2 Step and Nuschool jocks will > deabte this fact, but > then hey... a good deal of that lot have been > junglists for years. > > One good example? Check Juju's - THE SUMMER, on > Renegade Hardware. Pure > Hi-Fi, dancefloor killer. > > Technically, sonically - absolute precision... while > somehow, still holding > it's own as a party jam. Perfect. > > Basically, anyone who would say that D&B is stagnant > is so completely ill > informed that I would say that you just... don't get > it. It's like saying, > "house is stagnant.... all that's happening these > days is the boom, boom, > boom". Those who understand house are actually used > to the same type of > treatment, but usually from yuppies who live across > the street from a 'house > music house', who don't understand the strange > repetitive beats that 'boom, > boom, boom' til all hours on sunday mornings. > > I expect this kind of shit from yuppie neighbors. > Not from the underground > . > > You either get jungle or you don't. This point is > becoming more clear to me > every day. > > Radio doesn't get it. MTV sure as hell doesn't get > it. Some house/trance > heads don't even get it. > > My parents may never get it. > > I've decided that this isn't such a bad thing, > though. > > > wishfm > > > > > From: Evan > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:30:56 -0700 > To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? > > > I don't think DnB is stagnant at all; in fact, I > think it's getting OUT of a > period of stagnancy and into dope new territory. > Sure, there's occasionally > a glut of a certain sound or a producer but there's > always something fresh. > Everyone's got a style: Digital and Spirit with > their dubbed out, > ragga-influenced sound, Dylan & Loxy with their > energized old > skool-influenced tracks, A-Sides with his more > dancefloor-friendly, musical > beats, V Records which are blowing the whole thing > wide open right now with > the Brazil EP and the range of music they're into, > Hospital (as Genome > mentioned) with nice clean vocally jazz rollers, and > the list goes on.... > > And DnB hasn't been "boom cha" since the "techstep" > days of '97-'98 (when > Niko from No-U-Turn was runnin tings or "Alien Girl" > just came out)! It's > all fresh, original (or as the case is often these > day, old skool) breaks > chopped up with tons of ethnic flavor dropped over > top: bongos, little > percussive sounds, etc. I don't know where you go > to hear your music or who > you listen to most of the time, but I think that > might largely play a part > in your perception of the music. The only category > of DnB that I consider > to be somewhat stagnant is atmospheric-- Bukem, PFM, > and many others did a > lot for it 4-5 years ago but personally I don't see > a lot of progression in > it. I wish I did because it's some of the more > beautiful music I've heard > when it's been good (remember PFM's "One & Only" or > Peshay's "Piano Tune?"). > > Evan > > On 7/23/01 1:23 PM, "Jess ica" > wrote: > > > > >>> Although I didn't go, I think you should be > alittle more open to > >>> dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass > is one of the most stagnet > >>> music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet > if people complain anytime > >>> somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. > Your prolly correct that > >>> it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to > sit back and grab another > >>> drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other > room and come back when the > >>> music returns to something you are more happy > with. > > > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, > can't we all just get over > > the "boom cha"? > > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really > made sense until now. I > > love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced > it, but the clean, > > danceable sounds many may be used to originated > from sounds that weren't so > > dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing > how much the genre has > > evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, > and how everybody has their > > own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing > but props to those that decide > > to change the "rules" and add creativity to a > somewhat anthem like setting. > > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > > Jess > > > > Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 > Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski > > wrote: > > > >> Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I > was finding Eklektic to > >> be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd > be curious to hear from > >> others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the > end of the first set > >> did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. > Everyone was hooting because > >> they recognized the track, but it was completely > undanceable. If DJs are > >> sick of the track, just let it die rather than > making fun of it... or > >> whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in > place for 10 minutes > >> during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + > experimental + slowcore > >> intermission properly lost my momentum and I just > went home to bed. I > >> can't get with this "challenging the audience" or > whatever was going on > >> there. > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69494-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 17:55:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52320 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 17:55:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52310 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 17:55:27 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c11469$deae21c0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: , "wishfm" , "Evan" , , References: <20010724175326.41886.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:55:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? Yah man everyone should just spin fluffily trance so you can be happy right...holy shit keep your sorry ass opinions to yourself. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikey J" To: "wishfm" ; "Evan" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? > Jungle Fucking SUCKS! > Drum and Bass is even worse... > > mj dub > > --- wishfm wrote: > > Thank you, Evan. Much respect for the > > clarification. Your point of > > perception is everything. > > > > And, for the rest of you... the ones who only hear > > the 'boom-cha'... you > > were the same people who were saying D&B was > > stagnant in the mid-90's, at a > > time when all you heard in the music was the amen > > rollouts and dark b-lines. > > > > And suddenly, there was New Forms from Reprazent, > > Adam F's debut LP and a > > little tune called- Brand New Funk, the > > afformentioned No U Turn onslaught, > > Grooveriders 'Rainbows of Colour' LP, Shy FX's > > 'Bambaata', Rams highly > > influential Trilogy series, Boyemerang's 'Balance Of > > Force', Photeks > > vaarious hits, and, list the list goes on and on.... > > > > At this very moment, 'new steps of change' are being > > developed at every > > tempo, by a huge wave of producers that are > > constantly pushing the envelope. > > Just to name a few.... and, hopefully not offending > > anyone excluded - Dj > > Abstract, Teebee, K, Total Science, Klute, Die & > > Suv, Pieter K, and, this > > list goes on and on, as well... > > > > There is more progression in D&B recently, > > especially Stateside, than ANY > > OTHER GENRE. I challenge the naysayers to > > clinically explain any other > > movement in sound as prolific as the last 12 months > > of releases in the realm > > of jungle/D&B. Maybe 2 Step and Nuschool jocks will > > deabte this fact, but > > then hey... a good deal of that lot have been > > junglists for years. > > > > One good example? Check Juju's - THE SUMMER, on > > Renegade Hardware. Pure > > Hi-Fi, dancefloor killer. > > > > Technically, sonically - absolute precision... while > > somehow, still holding > > it's own as a party jam. Perfect. > > > > Basically, anyone who would say that D&B is stagnant > > is so completely ill > > informed that I would say that you just... don't get > > it. It's like saying, > > "house is stagnant.... all that's happening these > > days is the boom, boom, > > boom". Those who understand house are actually used > > to the same type of > > treatment, but usually from yuppies who live across > > the street from a 'house > > music house', who don't understand the strange > > repetitive beats that 'boom, > > boom, boom' til all hours on sunday mornings. > > > > I expect this kind of shit from yuppie neighbors. > > Not from the underground > > . > > > > You either get jungle or you don't. This point is > > becoming more clear to me > > every day. > > > > Radio doesn't get it. MTV sure as hell doesn't get > > it. Some house/trance > > heads don't even get it. > > > > My parents may never get it. > > > > I've decided that this isn't such a bad thing, > > though. > > > > > > wishfm > > > > > > > > > > From: Evan > > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:30:56 -0700 > > To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? > > > > > > I don't think DnB is stagnant at all; in fact, I > > think it's getting OUT of a > > period of stagnancy and into dope new territory. > > Sure, there's occasionally > > a glut of a certain sound or a producer but there's > > always something fresh. > > Everyone's got a style: Digital and Spirit with > > their dubbed out, > > ragga-influenced sound, Dylan & Loxy with their > > energized old > > skool-influenced tracks, A-Sides with his more > > dancefloor-friendly, musical > > beats, V Records which are blowing the whole thing > > wide open right now with > > the Brazil EP and the range of music they're into, > > Hospital (as Genome > > mentioned) with nice clean vocally jazz rollers, and > > the list goes on.... > > > > And DnB hasn't been "boom cha" since the "techstep" > > days of '97-'98 (when > > Niko from No-U-Turn was runnin tings or "Alien Girl" > > just came out)! It's > > all fresh, original (or as the case is often these > > day, old skool) breaks > > chopped up with tons of ethnic flavor dropped over > > top: bongos, little > > percussive sounds, etc. I don't know where you go > > to hear your music or who > > you listen to most of the time, but I think that > > might largely play a part > > in your perception of the music. The only category > > of DnB that I consider > > to be somewhat stagnant is atmospheric-- Bukem, PFM, > > and many others did a > > lot for it 4-5 years ago but personally I don't see > > a lot of progression in > > it. I wish I did because it's some of the more > > beautiful music I've heard > > when it's been good (remember PFM's "One & Only" or > > Peshay's "Piano Tune?"). > > > > Evan > > > > On 7/23/01 1:23 PM, "Jess ica" > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>> Although I didn't go, I think you should be > > alittle more open to > > >>> dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass > > is one of the most stagnet > > >>> music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet > > if people complain anytime > > >>> somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. > > Your prolly correct that > > >>> it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to > > sit back and grab another > > >>> drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other > > room and come back when the > > >>> music returns to something you are more happy > > with. > > > > > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, > > can't we all just get over > > > the "boom cha"? > > > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really > > made sense until now. I > > > love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced > > it, but the clean, > > > danceable sounds many may be used to originated > > from sounds that weren't so > > > dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing > > how much the genre has > > > evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, > > and how everybody has their > > > own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing > > but props to those that decide > > > to change the "rules" and add creativity to a > > somewhat anthem like setting. > > > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > > > Jess > > > > > > Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 > > Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I > > was finding Eklektic to > > >> be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd > > be curious to hear from > > >> others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the > > end of the first set > > >> did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. > > Everyone was hooting because > > >> they recognized the track, but it was completely > > undanceable. If DJs are > > >> sick of the track, just let it die rather than > > making fun of it... or > > >> whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in > > place for 10 minutes > > >> during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + > > experimental + slowcore > > >> intermission properly lost my momentum and I just > > went home to bed. I > > >> can't get with this "challenging the audience" or > > whatever was going on > > >> there. > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Frankie =3D no, by his choice I believe. Jon - yes. played an extremely good set in the sublevel after heather hart and before bryan zentz. if you missed these three sets, you might have missed the best stuff of the night! On 7/23/01 12:14 PM, "Nima Mirzad" wrote: > can someone please let me know about this.. >=20 > did frankie bones make it to maritime?? > did john selway make it? >=20 > i am pretty sure neither was there but am also a bit confused from > reading previous posts... >=20 > thankyou, > nima >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D T R A N C E F U S I O N M U S I C 1809 Gouldin Road =80 Oakland =80 CA =80 94611 PH. (415) 215-1612 FAX (510) 339-3887 http://www.trancefusion.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69497-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 18:07:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69054 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 18:07:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69029 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 18:07:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724180700.84374.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:07:00 -0700 (PDT) From: girlcat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] brief weekend review, ? about missouri what a busy weekend! but not with dancing, unfortunately. tried to go to rebirth on saturday. it's funny - i wasn't that enthusiastic about going out dancing because i was pretty tired and needed to catch up on sleep, but i figured, hell, it's a good old school sf underground, i should go .... so off we went. had to wait around the house for a friend for a while and in that time i consumed a lot of caffeine (my drug of choice for partying these days - cheap and effective). unfortunately, when we got to the venue we couldn't get in. were told it was because cops had just come by. but then when the cops were gone they still wouldn't let us in. it seemed packed but the door people weren't clear about that. we were wondering if we just weren't "cool enough" that night and felt shitty. i feel better now seeing it wasn't just us. but still, no dancing. got to hang out w/ a friend til late, slept, then the next day i wanted to go dancing but i had a volunteer shift to do and didn't know of any day parties anyway. bummer. so i had a question: did someone post an update on missouri recently? could someone send that info to me if they still have it? thanks. take care, monicat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69498-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 18:15:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77804 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 18:15:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77789 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 18:15:19 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B5DBB90.9D585400@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:16:48 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MODA CC: sfraves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] area 51 DJ clarification... fuck!!! i've only been to maritime a couple times so i'm assuming 'sublevel'is the big room that was adjasent ot the downstaris bar... he was suppose to be on in the bar. from 11-12 (i think can't remember..) its bullshit that they moved everything around... i got into the techno room just as heather hart was finishing her set but then icon took over =/ i had a descent time but i'm so bitter that i missed selways set, esp since frankie wasn't there MODA wrote: > Frankie = no, by his choice I believe. > Jon - yes. played an extremely good set in the sublevel after heather hart > and before bryan zentz. if you missed these three sets, you might have > missed the best stuff of the night! > > On 7/23/01 12:14 PM, "Nima Mirzad" wrote: > > > can someone please let me know about this.. > > > > did frankie bones make it to maritime?? > > did john selway make it? > > > > i am pretty sure neither was there but am also a bit confused from > > reading previous posts... > > > > thankyou, > > nima > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > ================================================= > T R A N C E F U S I O N M U S I C > 1809 Gouldin Road ? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69500-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 18:28:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99028 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 18:28:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99018 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 18:28:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: Amber@technohead.co.uk, cloude_sf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:27:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 18:27:53.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A498410:01C1146E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) enough of the tired, irrelevant argument that Area 51's problems were in some way due to governmental malfeasance. It has been well established that the Area 51 people did not obtain their permits in a proper and timely fashion, and to attempt to shift the blame from A51's incompetence to the Big Bad Government Wolf (or, as Sandler did, to the Anon Salon people) is, simply, bullshit. and as to your ageist jive: >So perhaps you should look into either growing all the way up and Quit >going to parties all together because it's cramping your lifestyle or >calming down a bit and realizing how hard it is for promoters once in a >while. perhaps incompetent and apparently crooked promoters--and the camp-followers who blindly defend them and insult our intelligence in the process--should look into either delivering what they promise for the price of the tickets they sell, or into growing all the way up and getting a job which doesn't involve lying to and stealing from the community they exploit while purporting to "serve" it. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69501-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 18:29:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 782 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 18:29:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 772 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 18:29:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724182940.12387.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Q To: Nima Mirzad , MODA Cc: sfraves In-Reply-To: <3B5DBB90.9D585400@uclink4.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] area 51 DJ clarification... John Selway may have played around that time, but he sure wasn't on the same decks as Heather Heart (who played decent music but looked a little bored and mixed like I do when I'm feeling lazy). Icon went on immediately after her and did a fantastic job. (this coming from a techno-head who usually doesn't like trance)... she did what she could to pump up the crowd - her energy level definitely came through. Bryan Zentz came on afterwords and laid down some fun EQ-tweaking over a bed of very capable techno, including a good amount of his own tracks. I considered heading to another room when Icon's set began getting too 'uplifting', but liked the more intimate vibe of a few hundred people, no e-puddles, and a temperature that was much closer to comfortable than what I experienced upstairs... so I stayed planted. who saw Dave Angel? DHS? dave q > MODA wrote: > > > Frankie = no, by his choice I believe. > > Jon - yes. played an extremely good set in the sublevel after > heather hart > > and before bryan zentz. if you missed these three sets, you might > have > > missed the best stuff of the night! ===== He alone is free who lives with free consent under the entire guidance of reason. -- Benedict Spinoza (1632-1677) Dutch philosopher __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69502-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 18:36:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7826 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 18:36:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7816 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 18:36:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724183609.76662.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: mijo976@yahoo.com, wishfm , Evan , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010724175326.41886.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1972989909-995999769=:75533" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? --0-1972989909-995999769=:75533 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and aquatic drum and bass is so much worse than dolphin jungle =P Mikey J wrote: Jungle Fucking SUCKS! Drum and Bass is even worse... mj dub --- wishfm wrote: > Thank you, Evan. Much respect for the > clarification. Your point of > perception is everything. > > And, for the rest of you... the ones who only hear > the 'boom-cha'... you > were the same people who were saying D&B was > stagnant in the mid-90's, at a > time when all you heard in the music was the amen > rollouts and dark b-lines. > > And suddenly, there was New Forms from Reprazent, > Adam F's debut LP and a > little tune called- Brand New Funk, the > afformentioned No U Turn onslaught, > Grooveriders 'Rainbows of Colour' LP, Shy FX's > 'Bambaata', Rams highly > influential Trilogy series, Boyemerang's 'Balance Of > Force', Photeks > vaarious hits, and, list the list goes on and on.... > > At this very moment, 'new steps of change' are being > developed at every > tempo, by a huge wave of producers that are > constantly pushing the envelope. > Just to name a few.... and, hopefully not offending > anyone excluded - Dj > Abstract, Teebee, K, Total Science, Klute, Die & > Suv, Pieter K, and, this > list goes on and on, as well... > > There is more progression in D&B recently, > especially Stateside, than ANY > OTHER GENRE. I challenge the naysayers to > clinically explain any other > movement in sound as prolific as the last 12 months > of releases in the realm > of jungle/D&B. Maybe 2 Step and Nuschool jocks will > deabte this fact, but > then hey... a good deal of that lot have been > junglists for years. > > One good example? Check Juju's - THE SUMMER, on > Renegade Hardware. Pure > Hi-Fi, dancefloor killer. > > Technically, sonically - absolute precision... while > somehow, still holding > it's own as a party jam. Perfect. > > Basically, anyone who would say that D&B is stagnant > is so completely ill > informed that I would say that you just... don't get > it. It's like saying, > "house is stagnant.... all that's happening these > days is the boom, boom, > boom". Those who understand house are actually used > to the same type of > treatment, but usually from yuppies who live across > the street from a 'house > music house', who don't understand the strange > repetitive beats that 'boom, > boom, boom' til all hours on sunday mornings. > > I expect this kind of shit from yuppie neighbors. > Not from the underground > . > > You either get jungle or you don't. This point is > becoming more clear to me > every day. > > Radio doesn't get it. MTV sure as hell doesn't get > it. Some house/trance > heads don't even get it. > > My parents may never get it. > > I've decided that this isn't such a bad thing, > though. > > > wishfm > > > > > From: Evan > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:30:56 -0700 > To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? > > > I don't think DnB is stagnant at all; in fact, I > think it's getting OUT of a > period of stagnancy and into dope new territory. > Sure, there's occasionally > a glut of a certain sound or a producer but there's > always something fresh. > Everyone's got a style: Digital and Spirit with > their dubbed out, > ragga-influenced sound, Dylan & Loxy with their > energized old > skool-influenced tracks, A-Sides with his more > dancefloor-friendly, musical > beats, V Records which are blowing the whole thing > wide open right now with > the Brazil EP and the range of music they're into, > Hospital (as Genome > mentioned) with nice clean vocally jazz rollers, and > the list goes on.... > > And DnB hasn't been "boom cha" since the "techstep" > days of '97-'98 (when > Niko from No-U-Turn was runnin tings or "Alien Girl" > just came out)! It's > all fresh, original (or as the case is often these > day, old skool) breaks > chopped up with tons of ethnic flavor dropped over > top: bongos, little > percussive sounds, etc. I don't know where you go > to hear your music or who > you listen to most of the time, but I think that > might largely play a part > in your perception of the music. The only category > of DnB that I consider > to be somewhat stagnant is atmospheric-- Bukem, PFM, > and many others did a > lot for it 4-5 years ago but personally I don't see > a lot of progression in > it. I wish I did because it's some of the more > beautiful music I've heard > when it's been good (remember PFM's "One & Only" or > Peshay's "Piano Tune?"). > > Evan > > On 7/23/01 1:23 PM, "Jess ica" > wrote: > > > > >>> Although I didn't go, I think you should be > alittle more open to > >>> dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass > is one of the most stagnet > >>> music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet > if people complain anytime > >>> somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. > Your prolly correct that > >>> it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to > sit back and grab another > >>> drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other > room and come back when the > >>> music returns to something you are more happy > with. > > > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, > can't we all just get over > > the "boom cha"? > > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really > made sense until now. I > > love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced > it, but the clean, > > danceable sounds many may be used to originated > from sounds that weren't so > > dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing > how much the genre has > > evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, > and how everybody has their > > own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing > but props to those that decide > > to change the "rules" and add creativity to a > somewhat anthem like setting. > > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > > Jess > > > > Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 > Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski > > wrote: > > > >> Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I > was finding Eklektic to > >> be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd > be curious to hear from > >> others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the > end of the first set > >> did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. > Everyone was hooting because > >> they recognized the track, but it was completely > undanceable. If DJs are > >> sick of the track, just let it die rather than > making fun of it... or > >> whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in > place for 10 minutes > >> during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + > experimental + slowcore > >> intermission properly lost my momentum and I just > went home to bed. I > >> can't get with this "challenging the audience" or > whatever was going on > >> there. > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Ice works better when it is frozen.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1972989909-995999769=:75533-- From sfraves-return-69503-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 18:39:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10172 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 18:39:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10162 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 18:39:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724183900.60433.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:39:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: Evan , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1610881740-995999940=:60036" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? --0-1610881740-995999940=:60036 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yay! a cool topic! >>And DnB hasn't been "boom cha" since the "techstep" days of '97-'98 (when >>Niko from No-U-Turn was runnin tings or "Alien Girl" just came out)! I entered the my junglehood in those days. The boom-cha was what pulled my happy ass in =) What I meant by "get over it" is that we can't always expect the dj to play something that is completely dancefloor friendly, or expect them to stay within a certain boundary or record label (not that anybody on this list implied that). UFO! was the man mentioned, and I have been completely headwrecked many a times just from his skills, and creativity behind the decks. With skills like he has, he can pull just about anything off (walk like an egyptian, :), and not disapoint. So I say, to hell with this label that label, 95-96, 2000-2001, Ram, V, or whatever else. If its techstep/darkstep/hardstep/ragga/intelligient/susanna hoff, whatever! >>I don't know where you go to hear your music or who you listen to most of the time, but I think that might largely play a part in your >>perception of the music. I am not trying to define a perfect jungle dj, but my leg starts to shake frantically when the music I love and appreciate is given even the slightest boundary. I am not a dj, a producer, a record shop owner. I dance, I smile and I buy the music that makes me happy, whether it makes you dance or poop your pants. "I tell the dj what to play" (hehe, recognize this) Jess PS: Hey Evan, do you still have that "history of d&b" post you sent out a year or so ago? I think that is something that should hit this list everyone once in awhile.... Evan wrote: I don't think DnB is stagnant at all; in fact, I think it's getting OUT of a period of stagnancy and into dope new territory. Sure, there's occasionally a glut of a certain sound or a producer but there's always something fresh. Everyone's got a style: Digital and Spirit with their dubbed out, ragga-influenced sound, Dylan & Loxy with their energized old skool-influenced tracks, A-Sides with his more dancefloor-friendly, musical beats, V Records which are blowing the whole thing wide open right now with the Brazil EP and the range of music they're into, Hospital (as Genome mentioned) with nice clean vocally jazz rollers, and the list goes on.... And DnB hasn't been "boom cha" since the "techstep" days of '97-'98 (when Niko from No-U-Turn was runnin tings or "Alien Girl" just came out)! It's all fresh, original (or as the case is often these day, old skool) breaks chopped up with tons of ethnic flavor dropped over top: bongos, little percussive sounds, etcThe only category of DnB that I consider to be somewhat stagnant is atmospheric-- Bukem, PFM, and many others did a lot for it 4-5 years ago but personally I don't see a lot of progression in it. I wish I did because it's some of the more beautiful music I've heard when it's been good (remember PFM's "One & Only" or Peshay's "Piano Tune?"). Evan On 7/23/01 1:23 PM, "Jess ica" wrote: > >>> Although I didn't go, I think you should be alittle more open to >>> dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass is one of the most stagnet >>> music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet if people complain anytime >>> somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. Your prolly correct that >>> it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to sit back and grab another >>> drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other room and come back when the >>> music returns to something you are more happy with. > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, can't we all just get over > the "boom cha"? > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really made sense until now. I > love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced it, but the clean, > danceable sounds many may be used to originated from sounds that weren't so > dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing how much the genre has > evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, and how everybody has their > own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing but props to those that decide > to change the "rules" and add creativity to a somewhat anthem like setting. > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > Jess > > Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski > wrote: > >> Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I was finding Eklektic to >> be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd be curious to hear from >> others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the end of the first set >> did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. Everyone was hooting because >> they recognized the track, but it was completely undanceable. If DJs are >> sick of the track, just let it die rather than making fun of it... or >> whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in place for 10 minutes >> during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + experimental + slowcore >> intermission properly lost my momentum and I just went home to bed. I >> can't get with this "challenging the audience" or whatever was going on >> there. > > > I'm bummed that I didn't make it out now that I know SS was able > to throw down in the last hour. Props to dMarie and folks for prolly > saving his night and showing him San fran has some real people that > actuallly have their heart were it should be. > > peace, > jahsh > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > We run tingz, tingz nah run we.... > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org Ice works better when it is frozen.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1610881740-995999940=:60036-- From sfraves-return-69504-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 18:39:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12581 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 18:39:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12566 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 18:39:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724183942.34843.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mikey J Reply-To: mijo976@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] if you f**king hate Jungle (3:30 PST) then keep it locked. Last tuesday was lots fun, much props to everyone who already knows... and if ya dont know, now ya know! usual biz this week. No excuse to be bored at work! today and every Tuesday 3:30 to 5:30 PM PSTl ive DnB from my living room... http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/15street.asp requests, rewinds, trainspotters welcome AIM- michaelj976 ICQ- 121861350 BOH! mikey J selekta.com "turn your learn on" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69505-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 18:50:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30978 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 18:50:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30950 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 18:50:33 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B5DC3D2.E8D38DC8@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:52:02 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Q , sfraves@hyperreal.org, moda@trancefusion.com References: <20010724182940.12387.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] area 51 DJ clarification... okay that sounds much more like what i thought happened....cause i was there when heather hart switched off to icon heather did look pretty bored, almost like she jsut woke up or was bit fucked up ...it was my first time seeing icon and i thought she played a good set... so back to square 1...where did selway play? =P maybe he came in much earlier in the nite..? Dave Q wrote: > John Selway may have played around that time, but he sure wasn't on the > same decks as Heather Heart (who played decent music but looked a > little bored and mixed like I do when I'm feeling lazy). Icon went on > immediately after her and did a fantastic job. (this coming from a > techno-head who usually doesn't like trance)... she did what she could > to pump up the crowd - her energy level definitely came through. Bryan > Zentz came on afterwords and laid down some fun EQ-tweaking over a bed > of very capable techno, including a good amount of his own tracks. > > I considered heading to another room when Icon's set began getting too > 'uplifting', but liked the more intimate vibe of a few hundred people, > no e-puddles, and a temperature that was much closer to comfortable > than what I experienced upstairs... so I stayed planted. > > who saw Dave Angel? DHS? > > dave q > > > MODA wrote: > > > > > Frankie = no, by his choice I believe. > > > Jon - yes. played an extremely good set in the sublevel after > > heather hart > > > and before bryan zentz. if you missed these three sets, you might > > have > > > missed the best stuff of the night! > > ===== > He alone is free who lives with free consent under the entire guidance of reason. > -- Benedict Spinoza (1632-1677) Dutch philosopher > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69506-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 19:08:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55379 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 19:08:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55361 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 19:08:51 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c11474$b71edea0$a5a6463f@m9x0q4> From: "`black-locust'" To: , "sf list" , "sac list" References: <20010724183942.34843.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:10:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C11439.AADBAFA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: if you f**king hate Jungle (3:30 PST) ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C11439.AADBAFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *standing in the corner, holding up my middle finger* - you know the deal! - ; P word up mikey j! \\ mattie (watch yo'self.. 15th street sessions are legit) =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mikey J To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: [sfraves] if you f**king hate Jungle (3:30 PST) > then keep it locked. > Last tuesday was lots fun, much props to everyone who > already knows... and if ya dont know, now ya know! > usual biz this week. No excuse to be bored at work! >=20 > today and every Tuesday=20 > 3:30 to 5:30 PM PSTl > ive DnB from my living room... >=20 > http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/15street.asp >=20 > requests, rewinds, trainspotters welcome > AIM- michaelj976 > ICQ- 121861350 >=20 > BOH! > mikey J > selekta.com > "turn your learn on"=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! = Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C11439.AADBAFA0-- From sfraves-return-69507-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 19:09:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57371 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 19:09:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57361 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 19:09:42 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01c11475$2effa6c0$126af4d1@brak> From: "Emily Edwards" To: "SFR" References: <20010724175326.41886.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c11469$deae21c0$280110ac@nick> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:16:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? Wait wait...isn't jungle and drum n' bass the same thing? Am I wrong here? hmm...I'm confused hehe =) ~*Emily*~ www.core-nrg.net Freedom defined is freedom denied... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ecko" To: ; "wishfm" ; "Evan" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? > Yah man everyone should just spin fluffily trance so you can be happy > right...holy shit keep your sorry ass opinions to yourself. > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mikey J" > To: "wishfm" ; "Evan" ; > ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? > > > > Jungle Fucking SUCKS! > > Drum and Bass is even worse... > > > > mj dub > > > > --- wishfm wrote: > > > Thank you, Evan. Much respect for the > > > clarification. Your point of > > > perception is everything. > > > > > > And, for the rest of you... the ones who only hear > > > the 'boom-cha'... you > > > were the same people who were saying D&B was > > > stagnant in the mid-90's, at a > > > time when all you heard in the music was the amen > > > rollouts and dark b-lines. > > > > > > And suddenly, there was New Forms from Reprazent, > > > Adam F's debut LP and a > > > little tune called- Brand New Funk, the > > > afformentioned No U Turn onslaught, > > > Grooveriders 'Rainbows of Colour' LP, Shy FX's > > > 'Bambaata', Rams highly > > > influential Trilogy series, Boyemerang's 'Balance Of > > > Force', Photeks > > > vaarious hits, and, list the list goes on and on.... > > > > > > At this very moment, 'new steps of change' are being > > > developed at every > > > tempo, by a huge wave of producers that are > > > constantly pushing the envelope. > > > Just to name a few.... and, hopefully not offending > > > anyone excluded - Dj > > > Abstract, Teebee, K, Total Science, Klute, Die & > > > Suv, Pieter K, and, this > > > list goes on and on, as well... > > > > > > There is more progression in D&B recently, > > > especially Stateside, than ANY > > > OTHER GENRE. I challenge the naysayers to > > > clinically explain any other > > > movement in sound as prolific as the last 12 months > > > of releases in the realm > > > of jungle/D&B. Maybe 2 Step and Nuschool jocks will > > > deabte this fact, but > > > then hey... a good deal of that lot have been > > > junglists for years. > > > > > > One good example? Check Juju's - THE SUMMER, on > > > Renegade Hardware. Pure > > > Hi-Fi, dancefloor killer. > > > > > > Technically, sonically - absolute precision... while > > > somehow, still holding > > > it's own as a party jam. Perfect. > > > > > > Basically, anyone who would say that D&B is stagnant > > > is so completely ill > > > informed that I would say that you just... don't get > > > it. It's like saying, > > > "house is stagnant.... all that's happening these > > > days is the boom, boom, > > > boom". Those who understand house are actually used > > > to the same type of > > > treatment, but usually from yuppies who live across > > > the street from a 'house > > > music house', who don't understand the strange > > > repetitive beats that 'boom, > > > boom, boom' til all hours on sunday mornings. > > > > > > I expect this kind of shit from yuppie neighbors. > > > Not from the underground > > > . > > > > > > You either get jungle or you don't. This point is > > > becoming more clear to me > > > every day. > > > > > > Radio doesn't get it. MTV sure as hell doesn't get > > > it. Some house/trance > > > heads don't even get it. > > > > > > My parents may never get it. > > > > > > I've decided that this isn't such a bad thing, > > > though. > > > > > > > > > wishfm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Evan > > > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:30:56 -0700 > > > To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Eklektic... off? > > > > > > > > > I don't think DnB is stagnant at all; in fact, I > > > think it's getting OUT of a > > > period of stagnancy and into dope new territory. > > > Sure, there's occasionally > > > a glut of a certain sound or a producer but there's > > > always something fresh. > > > Everyone's got a style: Digital and Spirit with > > > their dubbed out, > > > ragga-influenced sound, Dylan & Loxy with their > > > energized old > > > skool-influenced tracks, A-Sides with his more > > > dancefloor-friendly, musical > > > beats, V Records which are blowing the whole thing > > > wide open right now with > > > the Brazil EP and the range of music they're into, > > > Hospital (as Genome > > > mentioned) with nice clean vocally jazz rollers, and > > > the list goes on.... > > > > > > And DnB hasn't been "boom cha" since the "techstep" > > > days of '97-'98 (when > > > Niko from No-U-Turn was runnin tings or "Alien Girl" > > > just came out)! It's > > > all fresh, original (or as the case is often these > > > day, old skool) breaks > > > chopped up with tons of ethnic flavor dropped over > > > top: bongos, little > > > percussive sounds, etc. I don't know where you go > > > to hear your music or who > > > you listen to most of the time, but I think that > > > might largely play a part > > > in your perception of the music. The only category > > > of DnB that I consider > > > to be somewhat stagnant is atmospheric-- Bukem, PFM, > > > and many others did a > > > lot for it 4-5 years ago but personally I don't see > > > a lot of progression in > > > it. I wish I did because it's some of the more > > > beautiful music I've heard > > > when it's been good (remember PFM's "One & Only" or > > > Peshay's "Piano Tune?"). > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > On 7/23/01 1:23 PM, "Jess ica" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>> Although I didn't go, I think you should be > > > alittle more open to > > > >>> dj's doing new things. Right now drum and bass > > > is one of the most stagnet > > > >>> music genres(IMO), and it's gonna stay stagnet > > > if people complain anytime > > > >>> somebody try's to add a new spice to the flavor. > > > Your prolly correct that > > > >>> it wasn't the most danceable, but just try to > > > sit back and grab another > > > >>> drink and listen for a bit. Or go to the other > > > room and come back when the > > > >>> music returns to something you are more happy > > > with. > > > > > > > > I agree. I never thought I would say this, but, > > > can't we all just get over > > > > the "boom cha"? > > > > I heard that remark awhile ago and it never really > > > made sense until now. I > > > > love jungle, I have since the moment I experienced > > > it, but the clean, > > > > danceable sounds many may be used to originated > > > from sounds that weren't so > > > > dancer-friendly. I think it is a beautiful thing > > > how much the genre has > > > > evolved, and how many sub-genres have spawn off, > > > and how everybody has their > > > > own definition of "jungle". And I give nothing > > > but props to those that decide > > > > to change the "rules" and add creativity to a > > > somewhat anthem like setting. > > > > ~longlivejungletechnah~ > > > > Jess > > > > > > > > Jahsh wrote: On Sun, 22 > > > Jul 2001, Phillip A. Rzewski > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Usually an unconditional supporter, last night I > > > was finding Eklektic to > > > >> be a little bit... off. Maybe it was me, but I'd > > > be curious to hear from > > > >> others. The cut-up of "The Message" played at the > > > end of the first set > > > >> did a nice job of clearing the dance floor. > > > Everyone was hooting because > > > >> they recognized the track, but it was completely > > > undanceable. If DJs are > > > >> sick of the track, just let it die rather than > > > making fun of it... or > > > >> whatever the point was of that. Also, standing in > > > place for 10 minutes > > > >> during UFO!'s "Walk Like An Egyptian" + > > > experimental + slowcore > > > >> intermission properly lost my momentum and I just > > > went home to bed. I > > > >> can't get with this "challenging the audience" or > > > whatever was going on > > > >> there. > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69508-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 19:22:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69775 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 19:22:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69756 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 19:22:22 -0000 From: ClockworkEventz@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.1dc59ff.288f24ce@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:21:50 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12e.1dc59ff.288f24ce_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] LABOR DAY WEEKEND MEKKA Sat. 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This event is 18+ Info Lines: 408-794-0131 415-721-4713 510-273-9317 310-335-0303 916-930-1170 Contributors, Vendors, Promotions, Art, Dance or Theatrics call- 408-535-8924 Updates, Venue info, and etc. log onto ClockworkEventz.com * Spundae.com * Mekkatour.com --part1_12e.1dc59ff.288f24ce_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69509-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 19:27:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79091 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 19:27:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79080 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 19:27:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.31.96.161] From: "innocentchild  " To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC5FA3D0:01C11476] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES >NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES - > >July 21, 2001 (San Francisco, CA) - Officials have discovered links >between the notorious San Francisco underground rave scene and the >popular Pop group NSync. NSync, a popular 'boy-band' is currently >touring the nation playing to sold out stadium crowds. > >Bay Area officials were tipped off to an all night underground 'rave' >party taking place on Friday night. This all night 'rave' party, >rife with drugs and sex, was taking place at a local beach. When >police arrived to break up the party, two members of NSync were >detained and arrested for possession of common drug paraphenalia - >glow sticks and water bottles. The two members of the band, Joshua >Chasez and Christopher Kirkpatrick (known as JC and Chris in the >band), were held overnight until released on bail in the morning. >The band's manager Jonny Wright was contacted but had no comment on >the incident's of the previous night. NSync were in the Bay Area for >two sold out concerts at the Network Associates Coliseum in Oakland >on Saturday and Sunday nights. Several other youths were cited for >possession of glow sticks, which they were seen throwing up into the >air at the party. > >Police nationwide have been growing more suspicious of links to the >'rave' scene with other popular Pop artists - like Britney Spears. >It's not uncommon to see young teenagers at these large stadium >concerts sporting the same drug paraphenalia as found at these >underground raves," said officer John Bates, an Atlanta Police >Lieutenant. > >A 17-year-old Millbrae native, Veronica, was at the all night rave >party and has tickets to tonight's show at the Coliseum. "The cops >are just out of it," she said. "NSync and the other boy bands have >been showing influences from electronic music for years now. I >almost died when I saw JC at the Cloud Factory party this weekend - >it was a like dream come true." > >The Department of Justice has recently warned city officials across >the nation to keep a close watch on any type of entertainment which >may encourage the use of such dangerous items as candy bracelets, >glow sticks and baby pacifiers. DOJ spokesman Doug Johnson said, >"These kids are putting their lives in danger every weekend. Parents >should be concerned when they see their children coming home with >bottled water or baby pacifiers. These items are starting to show up >everywhere - we found kids with glow sticks at the last Backstreet >Boys concert." > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69510-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 19:41:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93509 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 19:41:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93496 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 19:41:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.34.12] From: "Chris V" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:40:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 19:40:50.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B2F04B0:01C11478] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES If anyone tried to arrest me for carrying glowsticks and water bottles, they'd have a hell of a lawsuit on their hands. -=Chris=- >From: "innocentchild  " >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27 +0000 > >>NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES - >> >>July 21, 2001 (San Francisco, CA) - Officials have discovered links >>between the notorious San Francisco underground rave scene and the >>popular Pop group NSync. NSync, a popular 'boy-band' is currently >>touring the nation playing to sold out stadium crowds. >> >>Bay Area officials were tipped off to an all night underground 'rave' >>party taking place on Friday night. This all night 'rave' party, >>rife with drugs and sex, was taking place at a local beach. When >>police arrived to break up the party, two members of NSync were >>detained and arrested for possession of common drug paraphenalia - >>glow sticks and water bottles. The two members of the band, Joshua >>Chasez and Christopher Kirkpatrick (known as JC and Chris in the >>band), were held overnight until released on bail in the morning. >>The band's manager Jonny Wright was contacted but had no comment on >>the incident's of the previous night. NSync were in the Bay Area for >>two sold out concerts at the Network Associates Coliseum in Oakland >>on Saturday and Sunday nights. Several other youths were cited for >>possession of glow sticks, which they were seen throwing up into the >>air at the party. >> >>Police nationwide have been growing more suspicious of links to the >>'rave' scene with other popular Pop artists - like Britney Spears. >>It's not uncommon to see young teenagers at these large stadium >>concerts sporting the same drug paraphenalia as found at these >>underground raves," said officer John Bates, an Atlanta Police >>Lieutenant. >> >>A 17-year-old Millbrae native, Veronica, was at the all night rave >>party and has tickets to tonight's show at the Coliseum. "The cops >>are just out of it," she said. "NSync and the other boy bands have >>been showing influences from electronic music for years now. I >>almost died when I saw JC at the Cloud Factory party this weekend - >>it was a like dream come true." >> >>The Department of Justice has recently warned city officials across >>the nation to keep a close watch on any type of entertainment which >>may encourage the use of such dangerous items as candy bracelets, >>glow sticks and baby pacifiers. DOJ spokesman Doug Johnson said, >>"These kids are putting their lives in danger every weekend. Parents >>should be concerned when they see their children coming home with >>bottled water or baby pacifiers. These items are starting to show up >>everywhere - we found kids with glow sticks at the last Backstreet >>Boys concert." >> >> >> >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69511-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 19:49:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3614 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 19:49:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3594 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 19:49:19 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:49:15 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010724183900.60433.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] breakthrough summer for EDM Love it or don't, here comes the mainstream: http://www.billboard.com/billboard/specialreport/dance_2001/index.jsp Me, I think change is good. Look it in the eye and harness the power. vix --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69512-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 19:56:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14249 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 19:56:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14238 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 19:56:36 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:58:54 -0700 From: veanne To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES omg! i met this guy at cf friday night who gave me his pacifier and like we started making out during drenalin's set and like he told me his name was J= C and i was like, 'whoah you look like that one dude from NSYNC.." he smiled and we like took off behind the rocks and got nekkid to some tekno.. now it all makes sense..... >> From: "innocentchild =A0" >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >> Subject: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES >> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27 +0000 >>=20 >>> NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES - >>>=20 >>> July 21, 2001 (San Francisco, CA) - Officials have discovered links >>> between the notorious San Francisco underground rave scene and the >>> popular Pop group NSync. NSync, a popular 'boy-band' is currently >>> touring the nation playing to sold out stadium crowds. >>>=20 >>> Bay Area officials were tipped off to an all night underground 'rave' >>> party taking place on Friday night. This all night 'rave' party, >>> rife with drugs and sex, was taking place at a local beach. When >>> police arrived to break up the party, two members of NSync were >>> detained and arrested for possession of common drug paraphenalia - >>> glow sticks and water bottles. The two members of the band, Joshua >>> Chasez and Christopher Kirkpatrick (known as JC and Chris in the >>> band), were held overnight until released on bail in the morning. >>> The band's manager Jonny Wright was contacted but had no comment on >>> the incident's of the previous night. NSync were in the Bay Area for >>> two sold out concerts at the Network Associates Coliseum in Oakland >>> on Saturday and Sunday nights. Several other youths were cited for >>> possession of glow sticks, which they were seen throwing up into the >>> air at the party. >>>=20 >>> Police nationwide have been growing more suspicious of links to the >>> 'rave' scene with other popular Pop artists - like Britney Spears. >>> It's not uncommon to see young teenagers at these large stadium >>> concerts sporting the same drug paraphenalia as found at these >>> underground raves," said officer John Bates, an Atlanta Police >>> Lieutenant. >>>=20 >>> A 17-year-old Millbrae native, Veronica, was at the all night rave >>> party and has tickets to tonight's show at the Coliseum. "The cops >>> are just out of it," she said. "NSync and the other boy bands have >>> been showing influences from electronic music for years now. I >>> almost died when I saw JC at the Cloud Factory party this weekend - >>> it was a like dream come true." >>>=20 >>> The Department of Justice has recently warned city officials across >>> the nation to keep a close watch on any type of entertainment which >>> may encourage the use of such dangerous items as candy bracelets, >>> glow sticks and baby pacifiers. DOJ spokesman Doug Johnson said, >>> "These kids are putting their lives in danger every weekend. Parents >>> should be concerned when they see their children coming home with >>> bottled water or baby pacifiers. These items are starting to show up >>> everywhere - we found kids with glow sticks at the last Backstreet >>> Boys concert." - : contact - aim : mylai email - swervin@mylai.com homepage : www.mylai.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69513-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 20:12:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31137 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 20:12:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31126 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 20:12:15 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:12:01 -0700 From: vix To: , , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1162359.995993660829.JavaMail.root@smtp.backend.another.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) Agree completely. This was NOT a packaged corporate Coca-Cola fest with a professional legal team and record company backing. It was never supposed to be. This is a newer, freer, riskier, sometimes sketchier, thing and mistakes get made. Hello, next time if anything more can be done to ensure the permit, I think we can assume Harmony will be doing it. And yes it doesn't help to have what seems like the entire US government determined to to shut it down. If you need consumer guarantees, go see the 346th annual Eagles reunion tour or something but don't try to force this scene into a corporate model for your convenience. Take a personal stand and JUST QUIT BUYING PRESALES. Problem solved. And BTW I'm old so HB don't give me the ageist shyte. vix > I think if you're so old and tired of going out to raves and hearing horror > stories why did you choose to go to this event. You are apparently on > sfraves, and hear about events that seem pretty damn secure getting shut down. > The government, nation, state, county, city doesn't LIKE US. We post a > "threat" you know, I'm sure you've heard it all before, and so they and > society makes venue holders not want to give us the time of day. It's just a > fact. > If you want something safe, and fun to do stick to your clubs, and house > parties, because Raves come with all sorts of dangers. Losing money is by > far one of the less dangerous of them. Sure it's an inconvenience but damn > its just some money. And if you're that upset about money then you've > apparently got other issues. I've personally lost tons of money buying > presales for parties that I couldn't get into, or that didn't happen, but I > wasn't pissed off. I understand that shit happens. I usually meet up with my > friends and have a few drinks or go do something equally as dumb and have fun. > On the other hand, I've lost tons of money and have gotten in to some less > than stellar party I wish I didn't get into, and then it happens some party > that just rocks the socks right off of me and makes it all worth while. > So perhaps you should look into either growing all the way up and Quit going > to parties all together because it's cramping your lifestyle or calming down a > bit and realizing how hard it is for promoters once in a while. I've been on > that side before and have a great appreciation for all the promoter does. > > -Amber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69514-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 20:24:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40320 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 20:24:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40304 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 20:24:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:23:01 -0700 From: Dragn'fly To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <005501c1147e$6fa4f140$0607fea9@poonie> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_whZbRl4TChi0HR7gPz5cTA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Radio Teknique NOW (1-4pm) Feat. Tom Wax --Boundary_(ID_whZbRl4TChi0HR7gPz5cTA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If you're sitting in front of the compute, just click on the following link to get you're groove on: http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/teknique.asp 1-2: Pat live 2-3: Exclusive mix from Tom Wax (no he's not in the studio, but he did send the mix for exclusive broadcast for the show) 3-4: Me We're also on the AIM, so if wanna chat during the broadcast, hit up the screen-name: RadioTeknique REMINDER: You need RealPlayer G2 which can be downloaded at: http://www.real.com ; ) ~dina o)(--- www.djdragnfly.com dragnfly@djdragnfly.com --Boundary_(ID_whZbRl4TChi0HR7gPz5cTA)-- From sfraves-return-69515-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 20:32:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46624 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 20:32:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46614 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 20:32:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.218.94.202] From: "electric joy boy" To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:31:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 20:31:46.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[A853A260:01C1147F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES This doesn't sound to far off from other bullshit persuction of people in the past. It seems really similar to going after someone in the 60's who is happy and has long hair with flowers in it (all clear signs of drug abuse to the paranoid establishment) Of course now with mis-applied crack house laws and the like, it seems a little more legal to prosecte us like this. BTW. Ryan, do you happen to have a source for this Nsync article? Thanks Ben --- http://bhidalgo.tripod.com >From: "innocentchild  " >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27 +0000 > >>NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES - >> >>July 21, 2001 (San Francisco, CA) - Officials have discovered links >>between the notorious San Francisco underground rave scene and the >>popular Pop group NSync. NSync, a popular 'boy-band' is currently >>touring the nation playing to sold out stadium crowds. >> >>Bay Area officials were tipped off to an all night underground 'rave' >>party taking place on Friday night. This all night 'rave' party, >>rife with drugs and sex, was taking place at a local beach. When >>police arrived to break up the party, two members of NSync were >>detained and arrested for possession of common drug paraphenalia - >>glow sticks and water bottles. The two members of the band, Joshua >>Chasez and Christopher Kirkpatrick (known as JC and Chris in the >>band), were held overnight until released on bail in the morning. >>The band's manager Jonny Wright was contacted but had no comment on >>the incident's of the previous night. NSync were in the Bay Area for >>two sold out concerts at the Network Associates Coliseum in Oakland >>on Saturday and Sunday nights. Several other youths were cited for >>possession of glow sticks, which they were seen throwing up into the >>air at the party. >> >>Police nationwide have been growing more suspicious of links to the >>'rave' scene with other popular Pop artists - like Britney Spears. >>It's not uncommon to see young teenagers at these large stadium >>concerts sporting the same drug paraphenalia as found at these >>underground raves," said officer John Bates, an Atlanta Police >>Lieutenant. >> >>A 17-year-old Millbrae native, Veronica, was at the all night rave >>party and has tickets to tonight's show at the Coliseum. "The cops >>are just out of it," she said. "NSync and the other boy bands have >>been showing influences from electronic music for years now. I >>almost died when I saw JC at the Cloud Factory party this weekend - >>it was a like dream come true." >> >>The Department of Justice has recently warned city officials across >>the nation to keep a close watch on any type of entertainment which >>may encourage the use of such dangerous items as candy bracelets, >>glow sticks and baby pacifiers. DOJ spokesman Doug Johnson said, >>"These kids are putting their lives in danger every weekend. Parents >>should be concerned when they see their children coming home with >>bottled water or baby pacifiers. These items are starting to show up >>everywhere - we found kids with glow sticks at the last Backstreet >>Boys concert." >> >> >> >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69516-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 20:42:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56928 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 20:42:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56918 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 20:42:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.250.89] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:41:44 -0700 From: hakthedj To: suffer Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078826904_7147_MIME_Part" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 20:41:54.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[13086AE0:01C11481] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] OH GOSH!! FLUX & SERAPHIM @ killaSUBZ 7.25 --MS_Mac_OE_3078826904_7147_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ouch..... the bass is gonna hurt this week! flux has got the goods! seraphim comes clean! does it get better than this? (well, next week science drops 2-step and theMEGA stops by)!! know1 - proxy - seraphim - flux - just follow the sig...... -- killasubz : southbay junglizm/breakz every wednesday nite 9.30 till 2am? 18 + : 5$ (7$ special nites) 417 s.first street : sanjose : ca www.killasubz.com --MS_Mac_OE_3078826904_7147_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-69517-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 20:49:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63859 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 20:49:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63849 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 20:49:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724184421.28221.qmail@www.nexpoint.org> From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:44:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] LooseCaboose > Friday, 7:27:01 @ Waves in SJ :::::: GET FUNkeh IN OUR HOUSE :::::: @ The Historic Waves Smokehouse & Saloon 65 Post St, Downtown SJ (BBQ Dinner Served Nightly/Happy Hr. 4:30 - 7PM M-F all drafts $2.75) ~ $2 ~ loose house spun tight till 2AM - 21+ street level::::::::::::::::: | RON REESER : JORDAN JOVES : BRIAN THOMAS : LUDRCRIS : JASENC | upstairs::::::::::::: | O'HENRY : DILEMA FUNK DOC : CHRIS & CHRIS | beautiful 100yr old bar w/ 24 BEERs on tap <> visual stimuli <> casual sorroundings <> plenty of room to shake your caboose <> open-air lounge upstairs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69518-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 20:56:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71579 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 20:56:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71569 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 20:56:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:56:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 20:56:08.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FB73220:01C11483] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] LooseCaboose > Friday, 7:27:01 @ Waves in SJ I hope some of you S.Bay househeads and others can try and make it to this. It's a new monthly and it'll be a fun one w/great talent every party, but remember, only you guys can make it happen :) Jose- >:::::: GET FUNkeh IN OUR HOUSE :::::: > >@ The Historic Waves Smokehouse & Saloon >65 Post St, Downtown SJ >(BBQ Dinner Served Nightly/Happy Hr. 4:30 - 7PM M-F all drafts $2.75) >~ $2 ~ loose house spun tight till 2AM - 21+ > >street level::::::::::::::::: >| RON REESER : JORDAN JOVES : BRIAN THOMAS : LUDRCRIS : JASENC | > >upstairs::::::::::::: >| O'HENRY : DILEMA FUNK DOC : CHRIS & CHRIS | > >beautiful 100yr old bar w/ 24 BEERs on tap <> visual stimuli <> casual >sorroundings <> plenty of room to shake your caboose <> open-air lounge >upstairs > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69519-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 20:57:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73535 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 20:57:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73525 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 20:57:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.31.96.161] From: "innocentchild  " To: digitalmindtraveler@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:56:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 20:56:42.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[24619210:01C11483] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES I didn't write the article, but it is a joke based around Veronica and her boy band fetish cross dressed with her punk rock rave style. Thought that the list could use a good laugh. =) ryan sninesix.design +nrg.says.grrr.rrr.rrr! evil.is.live _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69520-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 20:58:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76822 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 20:58:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76811 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 20:58:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:04:30 -0700 From: kj To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <002801c11484$3c304700$6e01a8c0@kj> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4ic06+pdmamFFdliGPHRSA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] * * S C O P E * TONIGHT* * --Boundary_(ID_4ic06+pdmamFFdliGPHRSA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ************************************ S C O P E ************************************* TUESDAY JULY 24TH 9pm - 2am DJs: VAJRA(EYEPHUNK) KJ (EYEPHUNK) VISUALS: TINA Z (CEIBA) @Light--839 Geary between Hyde & Larkin $4/ free before 10pm . .. e y e p h u n k . . . label group & distribution . . ... . .. . keshav jiwnani.. .. .kj p: 415.551.1884 f: 415.703.0451 PMB # 480 1072 Folsom St. San Francisco CA. 94103 http://www.eyephunk.com . .... . . ... . . . . . --Boundary_(ID_4ic06+pdmamFFdliGPHRSA)-- From sfraves-return-69521-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 20:58:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78092 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 20:58:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78073 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 20:58:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:57:25 -0700 From: Dragn'fly To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <00e901c11483$3df19b80$0607fea9@poonie> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CB+4Ic/nWlGgxgeA0GAJOA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Wooop Woooop - broadcast is NOW fixed... --Boundary_(ID_CB+4Ic/nWlGgxgeA0GAJOA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT he he he What happens when you mis-type the link on the broadcasting program?? NOTHING! But now the err is fixed and the music is available for you're listening pleasure. http://www.selekta.com/multimedia/teknique.asp Make sure you have RealPlayer G2!!! Available at: www.real.com ; ) ~dina o)(--- www.djdragnfly.com dragnfly@djdragnfly.com --Boundary_(ID_CB+4Ic/nWlGgxgeA0GAJOA)-- From sfraves-return-69522-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 20:59:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80831 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 20:59:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80810 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 20:59:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.128.75.21] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:48:38 -0700 From: DJ Proxy To: veanne , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 20:59:04.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[7918BC20:01C11483] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES Slut. -proxy on 7/24/01 12:58 AM, veanne at indochine@earthlink.net wrote: > omg! i met this guy at cf friday night who gave me his pacifier and like = we > started making out during drenalin's set and like he told me his name was= JC > and i was like, 'whoah you look like that one dude from NSYNC.." he smile= d > and we like took off behind the rocks and got nekkid to some tekno.. >=20 > now it all makes sense..... >=20 >=20 >=20 >>> From: "innocentchild =A0" >>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES >>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27 +0000 >>>=20 >>>> NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES - >>>>=20 >>>> July 21, 2001 (San Francisco, CA) - Officials have discovered links >>>> between the notorious San Francisco underground rave scene and the >>>> popular Pop group NSync. NSync, a popular 'boy-band' is currently >>>> touring the nation playing to sold out stadium crowds. >>>>=20 >>>> Bay Area officials were tipped off to an all night underground 'rave' >>>> party taking place on Friday night. This all night 'rave' party, >>>> rife with drugs and sex, was taking place at a local beach. When >>>> police arrived to break up the party, two members of NSync were >>>> detained and arrested for possession of common drug paraphenalia - >>>> glow sticks and water bottles. The two members of the band, Joshua >>>> Chasez and Christopher Kirkpatrick (known as JC and Chris in the >>>> band), were held overnight until released on bail in the morning. >>>> The band's manager Jonny Wright was contacted but had no comment on >>>> the incident's of the previous night. NSync were in the Bay Area for >>>> two sold out concerts at the Network Associates Coliseum in Oakland >>>> on Saturday and Sunday nights. Several other youths were cited for >>>> possession of glow sticks, which they were seen throwing up into the >>>> air at the party. >>>>=20 >>>> Police nationwide have been growing more suspicious of links to the >>>> 'rave' scene with other popular Pop artists - like Britney Spears. >>>> It's not uncommon to see young teenagers at these large stadium >>>> concerts sporting the same drug paraphenalia as found at these >>>> underground raves," said officer John Bates, an Atlanta Police >>>> Lieutenant. >>>>=20 >>>> A 17-year-old Millbrae native, Veronica, was at the all night rave >>>> party and has tickets to tonight's show at the Coliseum. "The cops >>>> are just out of it," she said. "NSync and the other boy bands have >>>> been showing influences from electronic music for years now. I >>>> almost died when I saw JC at the Cloud Factory party this weekend - >>>> it was a like dream come true." >>>>=20 >>>> The Department of Justice has recently warned city officials across >>>> the nation to keep a close watch on any type of entertainment which >>>> may encourage the use of such dangerous items as candy bracelets, >>>> glow sticks and baby pacifiers. DOJ spokesman Doug Johnson said, >>>> "These kids are putting their lives in danger every weekend. Parents >>>> should be concerned when they see their children coming home with >>>> bottled water or baby pacifiers. These items are starting to show up >>>> everywhere - we found kids with glow sticks at the last Backstreet >>>> Boys concert." >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > : contact - > aim : mylai > email - swervin@mylai.com > homepage : www.mylai.com >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 >=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69523-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:03:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87337 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:03:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87325 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:03:13 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:03:02 -0700 From: "leslie ayres" To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010724210304.TWWU838.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) so, dj howlin' bob, i've been staying out of the fray on this conversation, because greg and dutch are friends of mine, because i know how hard it is to pull off large (or small) events and because i felt it best. but... you have just called some of the most steadfast and committed promoters in the bay area scene -- you know, the scene that you are so happy to find, the one that you say gives you a new perspective on the world, the one that thrills you so? -- you have just called them "incompetent and apparently crooked" and "liars" and "thieves" -- and you have called the people who have attended their events over the past many years (yes, howlin' bob, they've been providing the kind of parties that set the standard for many many years, long before you discovered it and became instantly the judge of all that happens) -- you have called that community of people "camp-followers who blindly defend them and insult our intelligence in the process" -- and bob, that would be me, and hundreds on this list, and many thousands of people from the bay area scene. people who have had life-changing experiences at harmony events and at area 51 and other events of dutch's. i don't know you yet, but you have crossed a line. so, i humbly request that you take a large step down from your high horse and take a little more time to learn about the real history of our scene, to understand the real complexities of doing events that are not in clubs and bars, and understand that sometimes we offer respect in our scene based on experience and real contribution. greg sandler and dutch have earned the standing they have in our community. did something get major screwed up for this event? yes it did. is that upsetting? yes it is. i am very upset by it for a number of reasons -- which is why i didn't post about the situation -- but does that give you the right, the information, the privilege of calling them crooks and insulting the people who have attended their legendary parties over many years? no, sir, it does not. our culture is built on a foundation of peace, love, respect and unity -- and not just when things are all happy and rosy -- choosing to live from a place with these values isn't something that you forget when you get a little upset or don't like something that happens. our culture is not created as an economic model, and it's simply not appropriate to use corporate structures to try to define it. we are creating something new. i am a businessperson, and i know that it can be challenging to incorporate these values into "business" conversations, too -- but if you take on these values as a way to approach life, then you can't go around calling people names and acting as if people who create dance event experiences are expected to think like corporate executives. it's just not a reasonable expectation. it's the behavior of a consumer, and our culture is not built on consumerism -- it's built on community contribution. a thread i see in many of the people complaining about area 51 is that they didn't get their "merchandise" -- they perceive of themselves a consumer, and it's like they drove up to the window at burger king and ordered their damned value meal, and they didn't get what they asked for. and even when they do get what they ordered, they complain that it wasn't up to their standards. human nature? i don't really think so -- i think it's arrogance and lack of personal responsibility for creating the world around them. our scene suffers when it's viewed as a consumer item, and as soon as we start to see ourselves as simply consumers who trade money for recreation -- rather than as part of the creation of an event -- then the heart and soul is gone. we are -- all of us who ever attend dance events -- a movement that is in fact a paradigm shift in our culture, and when you're dealing with a paradigm shift, things are going to be very rocky sometimes. but we can weather that, by working together to understand, and by creating a world in which our subculture is able to operate without irrational pressure from people who don't understand us. a world where we remember the principles on which we are based, no matter what. if you consider yourself a part of this subculture, if you see the power of dancing together to trance-inducing music, if you see the power of a culture where everyone is accepted (i'd think that you'd realize how powerful that is -- you know, not every youth culture opens its arms to the older generation in the way the rave scene does), if you believe that what we have is worth protecting as it blooms, then you might want to reconsider your post insulting so many key people in our scene, people who have made incredible contributions to many of us in our lives. do we make mistakes? yes, we all do. but casting out the people who have been an integral part in building this subculture over the past years because something went wrong is pathetic. leslie ---------- >From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" >To: Amber@technohead.co.uk, cloude_sf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) >Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2001, 11:27 AM > >enough of the tired, irrelevant argument that Area 51's problems were in >some way due to governmental malfeasance. It has been well established that >the Area 51 people did not obtain their permits in a proper and timely >fashion, and to attempt to shift the blame from A51's incompetence to the >Big Bad Government Wolf (or, as Sandler did, to the Anon Salon people) is, >simply, bullshit. and as to your ageist jive: > >>So perhaps you should look into either growing all the way up and Quit >>going to parties all together because it's cramping your lifestyle or >>calming down a bit and realizing how hard it is for promoters once in a >>while. > >perhaps incompetent and apparently crooked promoters--and the camp-followers >who blindly defend them and insult our intelligence in the process--should >look into either delivering what they promise for the price of the tickets >they sell, or into growing all the way up and getting a job which doesn't >involve lying to and stealing from the community they exploit while >purporting to "serve" it. > >--hb > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69524-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:05:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90079 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:05:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90069 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:05:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724210434.9774.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "grant stevens" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:04:33 +0800 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: alien records is online now! all- alien records in austin now has it's catalog online ... http://www.alienrecords.net ... check out all kinds of promo and white labels and some cheapazz f**kin prices! seriously, it would just be nice to know that someone is getting some use out of the 100+ tracks i put up every day. use em' for track IDs ... really, it's OK ;). and PLEASE email me at grant@virtualmediahost.com and let me know what your honest opinion on the site is. thanks as always- grant stevens alienrecords.net -- _______________________________________________ FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69525-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:06:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92186 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:06:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92150 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:06:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: netserf@kapu.net, Amber@technohead.co.uk, cloude_sf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:05:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 21:05:34.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[611D8E10:01C11484] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) >Agree completely. This was NOT a packaged corporate Coca-Cola fest >with a >professional legal team and record company backing. It was >never supposed >to be. that is utterly irrelevant and immaterial. it does not, and should not, require "a professional legal team and record company backing" to take the elementary step of obtaining permits in a competent and timely manner, as Sandler did not. and frankly, i saw WAY more Area 51 ads than Coca-Cola ads around SF in the last month. >Hello, next time if anything more can be done to ensure the >permit, I think we can assume Harmony will be doing it. really? at this point, it would be wiser to assume that Harmony couldn't renew a drivers' license if they got a renewal form in the mail. >And yes it doesn't help to have what seems like the entire US >government >determined to to shut it down. once again, utterly irrelevant and immaterial. the "government" didn't screw up Area 51: THE PROMOTERS DID BY FAILING TO OBTAIN THE PROPER PERMITS, while advertising that they had a "fully permitted venue". and as an aside, if Sandler and his lot were so concerned, why did they shunt part of their audience off to that notorious bust-bait venue in Oakland (where i've *never* heard of an event being allowed to go to completion, permit or no) where, after being promised an event that would go to 6AM, they were shut down at midnight? >If you need consumer guarantees, go see the 346th annual Eagles >reunion >tour or something but don't try to force this scene into a >corporate model >for your convenience. i believe you have confused my desire to AVOID corporatization with your dear promoters' desire--as noted in the Billboard article you posted the link to earlier, with accompanying approving comments--to over-extend this scene with huge and depersonalized stadium events, MTV exposure, and "Zombie Nation"-style pop shite in order to stuff their pockets. I explicitly do not want to "force this scene into a corporate model"; however, it is now obvious that certain promoters need to be forced into doing business in a competent and honest manner, and it is clear that until and unless actual negative consequences, in the form of forced refunds and other recompense, are demanded of promoters, this scene will continue to be fleeced, and people like you will continue to defend thievery with specious, irrelevant banter which addresses NONE of the substantive issues raised, including, with particular reference to Area 51: 1. why did the promoters fail to arrange permits while falsely advertising that they had a "fully permitted space"? 2. why did the promoters not offer refunds to people not willing to accept the less-than-half-an-event they were offered instead of what they paid for? 3. how can the promoter claim a greater loss due to the attempt to continue, when the venues eventually used were smaller (and assumedly cheaper) than the original venue; the artists and sound and equipment were already contracted; and there is absolutely no documentation of any "loss"? (in point of fact, they may well have *saved* money) 4. why should anyone take Sandler's "keep your ticket stub and we'll let you into our next event" spiel seriously when multiple posters have noted that Maritime patrons had their entire ticket taken from them at the door, and as such HAVE no ticket stubs? >Take a personal stand and JUST QUIT BUYING PRESALES. >Problem solved. no problem! in fact, i urge folks go go farther: quit buying tickets to massives; quit buying $35-$40 tickets to events, period; quit buying tickets from promoters who have a record of not living up to promises; eschew above-ground events as much as possible and support the underground. SEVERAL problems solved. >And BTW I'm old so HB don't give me the ageist shyte. Amber's post was, in fact, deliberately ageist; ergo, to call it by its proper name isn't "shite." Given your (implied) age, that would be inaccurate in your case. However, you are exhibiting the same knee-jerk, irrelevant, diversionary defense of promoters' malfeasance as others, and as such you would properly be included in the category of "the camp-followers who blindly defend them and insult our intelligence in the process." of course, it is possible that you may have something substantive to offer other than the red-herring arguments you're attempting to use to shift blame for the failure of an incompently-promoted event from the promoter--where it rightly belongs--to the government, which, from all accounts, did nothing other than require timely submittal of permit applications. one would think that if you did, however, you'd have offered that information before now. --hb and one more thing: if, as people have posted, the permit conflicts were known in the community some time before the event, why weren't potential ticket-buyers warned? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69526-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:16:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3170 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:16:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3160 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:16:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724211605.10721.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:16:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com To: DJ Howlin' Bob , netserf@kapu.net, Amber@technohead.co.uk, cloude_sf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) I think this whole conversation needs to come to an end. I think every one agrees that the promoters fucked up (if you don't wake up.) They misrepresnted the truth (on the flyer I have in-hand.) But they did try hard, and will again to bring good music and good times (more power to them.) The camp that says "this is expected in this scene" well it is more expected when people don't do everything in their power (like getting permits and renting a place) to make sure that disasters are less likely. It doesn't look good for the scene when a big party like this goes to shits and the organizers fail. These guys took some risks set them selves up. So lets not make excuses for them. And to the people who are just too hard on the folks (like me) back off! they tried their best, they didn't have this intent when they started and would have loved the thing to go through with out a hitch. Well it didn;t happen. If you like exercise your right as a consumer. But bottom line.... Let it go! Moe. --- DJ Howlin' Bob wrote: > >Agree completely. This was NOT a packaged corporate > Coca-Cola fest >with a > >professional legal team and record company backing. > It was >never supposed > >to be. > > that is utterly irrelevant and immaterial. it does > not, and should not, > require "a professional legal team and record > company backing" to take the > elementary step of obtaining permits in a competent > and timely manner, as > Sandler did not. and frankly, i saw WAY more Area > 51 ads than Coca-Cola ads > around SF in the last month. > > >Hello, next time if anything more can be done to > ensure the > >permit, I think we can assume Harmony will be doing > it. > > really? at this point, it would be wiser to assume > that Harmony couldn't > renew a drivers' license if they got a renewal form > in the mail. > > >And yes it doesn't help to have what seems like the > entire US >government > >determined to to shut it down. > > once again, utterly irrelevant and immaterial. the > "government" didn't > screw up Area 51: THE PROMOTERS DID BY FAILING TO > OBTAIN THE PROPER PERMITS, > while advertising that they had a "fully permitted > venue". and as an aside, > if Sandler and his lot were so concerned, why did > they shunt part of their > audience off to that notorious bust-bait venue in > Oakland (where i've > *never* heard of an event being allowed to go to > completion, permit or no) > where, after being promised an event that would go > to 6AM, they were shut > down at midnight? > > >If you need consumer guarantees, go see the 346th > annual Eagles >reunion > >tour or something but don't try to force this scene > into a >corporate model > >for your convenience. > > i believe you have confused my desire to AVOID > corporatization with your > dear promoters' desire--as noted in the Billboard > article you posted the > link to earlier, with accompanying approving > comments--to over-extend this > scene with huge and depersonalized stadium events, > MTV exposure, and "Zombie > Nation"-style pop shite in order to stuff their > pockets. I explicitly do > not want to "force this scene into a corporate > model"; however, it is now > obvious that certain promoters need to be forced > into doing business in a > competent and honest manner, and it is clear that > until and unless actual > negative consequences, in the form of forced refunds > and other recompense, > are demanded of promoters, this scene will continue > to be fleeced, and > people like you will continue to defend thievery > with specious, irrelevant > banter which addresses NONE of the substantive > issues raised, including, > with particular reference to Area 51: > > 1. why did the promoters fail to arrange permits > while falsely advertising > that they had a "fully permitted space"? > > 2. why did the promoters not offer refunds to people > not willing to accept > the less-than-half-an-event they were offered > instead of what they paid for? > > 3. how can the promoter claim a greater loss due to > the attempt to continue, > when the venues eventually used were smaller (and > assumedly cheaper) than > the original venue; the artists and sound and > equipment were already > contracted; and there is absolutely no documentation > of any "loss"? (in > point of fact, they may well have *saved* money) > > 4. why should anyone take Sandler's "keep your > ticket stub and we'll let you > into our next event" spiel seriously when multiple > posters have noted that > Maritime patrons had their entire ticket taken from > them at the door, and as > such HAVE no ticket stubs? > > >Take a personal stand and JUST QUIT BUYING > PRESALES. > >Problem solved. > > no problem! in fact, i urge folks go go farther: > quit buying tickets to > massives; quit buying $35-$40 tickets to events, > period; quit buying tickets > from promoters who have a record of not living up to > promises; eschew > above-ground events as much as possible and support > the underground. > SEVERAL problems solved. > > >And BTW I'm old so HB don't give me the ageist > shyte. > > Amber's post was, in fact, deliberately ageist; > ergo, to call it by its > proper name isn't "shite." Given your (implied) > age, that would be > inaccurate in your case. However, you are > exhibiting the same knee-jerk, > irrelevant, diversionary defense of promoters' > malfeasance as others, and as > such you would properly be included in the category > of "the camp-followers > who blindly defend them and insult our intelligence > in the process." of > course, it is possible that you may have something > substantive to offer > other than the red-herring arguments you're > attempting to use to shift blame > for the failure of an incompently-promoted event > from the promoter--where it > rightly belongs--to the government, which, from all > accounts, did nothing > other than require timely submittal of permit > applications. one would think > that if you did, however, you'd have offered that > information before now. > > --hb > > and one more thing: if, as people have posted, the > permit conflicts were > known in the community some time before the event, > why weren't potential > ticket-buyers warned? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== _____________________________________________ Moe Tavakoli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69527-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:16:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4619 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:16:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4609 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:16:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724211625.87206.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:16:25 -0700 (PDT) From: girlcat To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] top ten ridiculous things said about ravers from dancesafe newsletter don't know if people have seen this or not... 3. Top Ten Most Ridiculous Statements Made About Ravers #10. "If you take your child to a rave, they could be on psychiatric medication the rest of their life because of the experience." - Dr. Michael Copass, Harborview Medical Center, Seattle #9. "Ravers often insert flashing red lights in their belly buttons--held in place with a mild adhesive--and pin blinking lights in the shape of hearts, stars, and animals to their clothing to provide additional visual stimulation to MDMA users." - National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC) #8. "Some of the dances in the desert are no longer just dances, they're like violent crack houses set to music." - Michelle Leonhart, Special Agent, Los Angeles DEA. #7. "Raves, under any name, are a lucrative business and are frequently the sites of crimes such as pharmaceutical diversion, rape, property damage, gang violence, drug sales, robberies, assaults, and murder." - Anonymous undercover police officer in Michigan #6. "Ravers often wear bright accessories like earrings made of either plastic beads or pill-shaped sugar candies. MDMA users sometimes use these accessories to disguise their drugs, stringing MDMA tablets mixed with the candies." - NDIC #5. "If you see a girl and a boy in the dark, chewing pacifiers and waving colored wands, they're probably on Ecstasy." - Johnson County Sheriff J.D. Richards #4. "Ravers wear T-shirts, bikini tops, tank tops, tube tops, and open-back halter tops to help keep cool. After hours of dancing and often after using MDMA, many ravers have removed most of their clothing." - NDIC #3. "Several DJs and bands, unfamiliar to most people, are internationally famous." - NDIC #2. "They buy them. They have them on their hands. They have halos. It's freaky looking. They're high on drugs." - Undercover Agent in New Hampshire and from the same undercover agent ... #1. "You watch these kids walking around with glow sticks all over their heads, with surgical masks on, with glow sticks in their mouths, with pacifiers. You're not talking just one. There are groups of kids walking around like this. That's the norm. Who figured all this out, I don't know. Where did it come from?" Note: Some of the quotes above came from a rave document on the website of the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC) ;. DanceSafe is a strong proponent of drug intelligence, and we strongly encourage you to contact the NDIC and offer them some intelligent and useful drug information for their website. The address to email them is cmbwebmgr@ndic.osis.gov __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69528-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:16:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4688 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:16:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4621 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:16:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:15:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 21:15:59.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5F05D70:01C11485] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] please pardon my tone re: A51 i'm in a really crap space right now (scene-related gripes aside), and i'm getting way too honked-off about this Area 51 thing. i still think that promoters have to deal with the people more honestly and competently, but i'm getting too mean. i've seen too many scenes fall victim to the two extremes of corporate regimentation vs. poorly-executed crap, and i don't want to see that happen to this one, too. sometimes when i feel defensive i swing too hard. sorry, folks. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69529-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:18:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7928 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:18:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7917 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:18:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: netserf@kapu.net, Amber@technohead.co.uk, cloude_sf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:18:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 21:18:23.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BC52C80:01C11486] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] i'm sorry..that was mean (was Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers...) you didn't deserve that degree of meanness from me. i'm sorry. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69530-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:28:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17177 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:28:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17165 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:28:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724212828.72524.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:28:28 -0700 (PDT) From: J Wyttenbach To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] intro and question Hey everyone...jus subbed today to find out some info on some upcoming events down your way.... Im from seattle, and am going to be down in sf on vacation aug 9-13 and wanted to hear from the locals what are your favorite places to hit for some good house. im lookin for a lil info on any type of event going on, but mostly clubs that will admit both 18+ and 21+ for booze (im travelin w/ a youngun), and maybe some good smaller parties playin house. also! if you're a promoter of a club/party goin on during that time, and want some out of town talent who's already paid for their own plane ticket, give me a ring...i spin funky n disco house, and i've got a mix/bio/etc available up at http://www.unitedhousefront.com/members/swank thx alot for your help :) J ===== dj.swank.recess.productions.[nrr].consortium "I think I'm being brainwashed by the hippies......If I'm not careful I'll end up on some street corner huffing tofu and talking about the sacred light while leading a nonverbal prayer." - dj &E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69531-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:30:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21133 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:30:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21122 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:30:17 -0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AVID From: benny_sanches@digidesign.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <88256A93.007616A1.00@amm03.paloalto.avid.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:29:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Meat Beat Manifesto Remix Project I'm organizing a remix project for a new Meat Beat Manifesto website to be launched in the near future. If you're into these guys and want more details, let me know: bsanches@digidesign.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69532-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:31:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23406 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:31:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23369 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:31:24 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:31:10 -0700 From: vix To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , , , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: i'm sorry..that was mean (was Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers...) It's all good. BTW, the reason I don't fear the mainstream (the billboard article) is not because I think it's somehow going to harm the underground. On the contrary, I think it's going to provide the UG with incredibly useful camouflage =) vix > you didn't deserve that degree of meanness from me. i'm sorry. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69533-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:37:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33955 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:37:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33945 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:37:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:36:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 21:36:49.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEFFD6B0:01C11488] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) Bob, you have some good points on this issue but you've crossed the line I think. I hope you get some insight from Leslie's post. I don't even know Greg but isht does happen as we all know. What if the event would have gone on? Would people even be upset if the permits almost fell through? I'm sure some would but not to the degree it's at now w/ the personal attacks. To some of you upset people: There's a way to argue a point w/out being disrespectful, which should be the way all posts should be on this list. That's how this community is to be, loving and respectful, yet some don't follow it's creed, what this scene was made from. my two cents. >so, dj howlin' bob, > >i've been staying out of the fray on this conversation, because greg and >dutch are friends of mine, because i know how hard it is to pull off large >(or small) events and because i felt it best. > >but... you have just called some of the most steadfast and committed >promoters in the bay area scene -- you know, the scene that you are so >happy >to find, the one that you say gives you a new perspective on the world, the >one that thrills you so? -- you have just called them "incompetent and >apparently crooked" and "liars" and "thieves" -- > >and you have called the people who have attended their events over the past >many years (yes, howlin' bob, they've been providing the kind of parties >that set the standard for many many years, long before you discovered it >and >became instantly the judge of all that happens) -- you have called that >community of people "camp-followers who blindly defend them and insult our >intelligence in the process" -- and bob, that would be me, and hundreds on >this list, and many thousands of people from the bay area scene. people >who >have had life-changing experiences at harmony events and at area 51 and >other events of dutch's. > >i don't know you yet, but you have crossed a line. > >so, i humbly request that you take a large step down from your high horse >and take a little more time to learn about the real history of our scene, >to >understand the real complexities of doing events that are not in clubs and >bars, and understand that sometimes we offer respect in our scene based on >experience and real contribution. > >greg sandler and dutch have earned the standing they have in our community. >did something get major screwed up for this event? yes it did. is that >upsetting? yes it is. i am very upset by it for a number of reasons -- >which >is why i didn't post about the situation -- > >but does that give you the right, the information, the privilege of calling >them crooks and insulting the people who have attended their legendary >parties over many years? > >no, sir, it does not. > >our culture is built on a foundation of peace, love, respect and unity -- >and not just when things are all happy and rosy -- choosing to live from a >place with these values isn't something that you forget when you get a >little upset or don't like something that happens. > >our culture is not created as an economic model, and it's simply not >appropriate to use corporate structures to try to define it. we are >creating >something new. i am a businessperson, and i know that it can be challenging >to incorporate these values into "business" conversations, too -- but if >you >take on these values as a way to approach life, then you can't go around >calling people names and acting as if people who create dance event >experiences are expected to think like corporate executives. it's just not >a >reasonable expectation. it's the behavior of a consumer, and our culture is >not built on consumerism -- it's built on community contribution. > >a thread i see in many of the people complaining about area 51 is that they >didn't get their "merchandise" -- they perceive of themselves a consumer, >and it's like they drove up to the window at burger king and ordered their >damned value meal, and they didn't get what they asked for. and even when >they do get what they ordered, they complain that it wasn't up to their >standards. human nature? i don't really think so -- i think it's arrogance >and lack of personal responsibility for creating the world around them. > >our scene suffers when it's viewed as a consumer item, and as soon as we >start to see ourselves as simply consumers who trade money for recreation >-- >rather than as part of the creation of an event -- then the heart and soul >is gone. > >we are -- all of us who ever attend dance events -- a movement that is in >fact a paradigm shift in our culture, and when you're dealing with a >paradigm shift, things are going to be very rocky sometimes. but we can >weather that, by working together to understand, and by creating a world in >which our subculture is able to operate without irrational pressure from >people who don't understand us. a world where we remember the principles on >which we are based, no matter what. > >if you consider yourself a part of this subculture, if you see the power of >dancing together to trance-inducing music, if you see the power of a >culture >where everyone is accepted (i'd think that you'd realize how powerful that >is -- you know, not every youth culture opens its arms to the older >generation in the way the rave scene does), if you believe that what we >have >is worth protecting as it blooms, then you might want to reconsider your >post insulting so many key people in our scene, people who have made >incredible contributions to many of us in our lives. > >do we make mistakes? yes, we all do. but casting out the people who have >been an integral part in building this subculture over the past years >because something went wrong is pathetic. > >leslie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69534-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:41:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38843 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:41:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 38831 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:41:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:40:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 21:40:32.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[43D6F300:01C11489] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) Sorry bob, I posted this before I read your newer posts. >Bob, you have some good points on this issue but you've crossed the line I >think. I hope you get some insight from Leslie's post. > >I don't even know Greg but isht does happen as we all know. > >What if the event would have gone on? Would people even be upset if the >permits almost fell through? I'm sure some would but not to the degree >it's >at now w/ the personal attacks. > >To some of you upset people: There's a way to argue a point w/out being >disrespectful, which should be the way all posts should be on this list. >That's how this community is to be, loving and respectful, yet some don't >follow it's creed, what this scene was made from. > >my two cents. > >>so, dj howlin' bob, >> >>i've been staying out of the fray on this conversation, because greg and >>dutch are friends of mine, because i know how hard it is to pull off large >>(or small) events and because i felt it best. >> >>but... you have just called some of the most steadfast and committed >>promoters in the bay area scene -- you know, the scene that you are so >>happy >>to find, the one that you say gives you a new perspective on the world, >>the >>one that thrills you so? -- you have just called them "incompetent and >>apparently crooked" and "liars" and "thieves" -- >> >>and you have called the people who have attended their events over the >>past >>many years (yes, howlin' bob, they've been providing the kind of parties >>that set the standard for many many years, long before you discovered it >>and >>became instantly the judge of all that happens) -- you have called that >>community of people "camp-followers who blindly defend them and insult our >>intelligence in the process" -- and bob, that would be me, and hundreds on >>this list, and many thousands of people from the bay area scene. people >>who >>have had life-changing experiences at harmony events and at area 51 and >>other events of dutch's. >> >>i don't know you yet, but you have crossed a line. >> >>so, i humbly request that you take a large step down from your high horse >>and take a little more time to learn about the real history of our scene, >>to >>understand the real complexities of doing events that are not in clubs and >>bars, and understand that sometimes we offer respect in our scene based on >>experience and real contribution. >> >>greg sandler and dutch have earned the standing they have in our >>community. >>did something get major screwed up for this event? yes it did. is that >>upsetting? yes it is. i am very upset by it for a number of reasons -- >>which >>is why i didn't post about the situation -- >> >>but does that give you the right, the information, the privilege of >>calling >>them crooks and insulting the people who have attended their legendary >>parties over many years? >> >>no, sir, it does not. >> >>our culture is built on a foundation of peace, love, respect and unity -- >>and not just when things are all happy and rosy -- choosing to live from a >>place with these values isn't something that you forget when you get a >>little upset or don't like something that happens. >> >>our culture is not created as an economic model, and it's simply not >>appropriate to use corporate structures to try to define it. we are >>creating >>something new. i am a businessperson, and i know that it can be >>challenging >>to incorporate these values into "business" conversations, too -- but if >>you >>take on these values as a way to approach life, then you can't go around >>calling people names and acting as if people who create dance event >>experiences are expected to think like corporate executives. it's just not >>a >>reasonable expectation. it's the behavior of a consumer, and our culture >>is >>not built on consumerism -- it's built on community contribution. >> >>a thread i see in many of the people complaining about area 51 is that >>they >>didn't get their "merchandise" -- they perceive of themselves a consumer, >>and it's like they drove up to the window at burger king and ordered their >>damned value meal, and they didn't get what they asked for. and even when >>they do get what they ordered, they complain that it wasn't up to their >>standards. human nature? i don't really think so -- i think it's arrogance >>and lack of personal responsibility for creating the world around them. >> >>our scene suffers when it's viewed as a consumer item, and as soon as we >>start to see ourselves as simply consumers who trade money for recreation >>-- >>rather than as part of the creation of an event -- then the heart and soul >>is gone. >> >>we are -- all of us who ever attend dance events -- a movement that is in >>fact a paradigm shift in our culture, and when you're dealing with a >>paradigm shift, things are going to be very rocky sometimes. but we can >>weather that, by working together to understand, and by creating a world >>in >>which our subculture is able to operate without irrational pressure from >>people who don't understand us. a world where we remember the principles >>on >>which we are based, no matter what. >> >>if you consider yourself a part of this subculture, if you see the power >>of >>dancing together to trance-inducing music, if you see the power of a >>culture >>where everyone is accepted (i'd think that you'd realize how powerful that >>is -- you know, not every youth culture opens its arms to the older >>generation in the way the rave scene does), if you believe that what we >>have >>is worth protecting as it blooms, then you might want to reconsider your >>post insulting so many key people in our scene, people who have made >>incredible contributions to many of us in our lives. >> >>do we make mistakes? yes, we all do. but casting out the people who have >>been an integral part in building this subculture over the past years >>because something went wrong is pathetic. >> >>leslie > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69535-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 21:54:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51647 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 21:54:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51635 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 21:54:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.189] From: "veronica la rosa" To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:54:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 21:54:10.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B9306B0:01C1148B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES <> Har Har! whooo boy, I've been laughing so hard I can barely breathe. Let me just take a second to recuperate...ahhhhhh. ok. You know I feel a little abused. I hate being teased. Just think of what you guys are doing to my fagile self-esteem! Besides, he didn't even get the facts right! I'm an 18 year old Novato native (not a 17 year old Millbrae girl). All I have to say is, BAH! BAAAAAAAAH! And thats bah as in "Bah Humbug"...not like the sheep. -Veronica- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69536-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:04:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64206 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:04:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64196 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:04:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724220356.22466.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:03:56 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING Okay kids, here you go... http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.html My work was hit and my home account was hit... keep an eye out. ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69537-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:13:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70697 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:13:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70686 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:13:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "knowmad AE" , References: <20010724220356.22466.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:13:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 22:12:47.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5554A90:01C1148D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING yep yep, just thought i would add in that my work has also been hit by this virus... so definately do look out for it... something that may tip you off is the extremely bad english/grammar used in the body of the email... Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "knowmad AE" To: Sent: July 24, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING > Okay kids, here you go... > > http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.html > > My work was hit and my home account was hit... keep an > eye out. > > ===== > icq/40221388 > aim/knowmadAE > y!/knowmadAE > "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... > the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." > In Lak'ech > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69538-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:22:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78738 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:22:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78710 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:22:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724222232.86306.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] dumb things people do on the list nrr 1. i am bored, oh, i will send out a virus. 2. i am lonely, oh, i will go bother Lara. 3. i am having a hangover, oh, i will go lash out at a stranger. 4. i always have a hangover, oh, i will lash out at different strangers every other week for a few years, and then go back to the first stranger i started with, and go full circle again. 5. my lover is ignoring me, oh, it must be that stranger's fault on the list. i think i will be really schizophrenic and start something. 6. my production sucks, oh, it must be that stranger's fault. i will have a few whiskey's and then try to start an argument...hey, maybe we'll strike a BIG DEAL. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69539-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:26:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84094 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:26:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 84081 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:26:16 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B5DF660.2ED32A8A@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:27:44 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] free crystal method concert @ virgin, thurs evening i don't know exact time...think its 7pm...anyone else know details.. nima --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69540-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:30:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91415 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:30:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91405 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:30:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724223004.46770.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: FUckFace Johnson To: Geri Dahl , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010724222232.86306.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] dumb things people do on the list nrr 7. i am always hopelessly desperate for any kind of attention, even from totally random strangers because i am too insecure about my social being, so i will make a list of dumb things people do, basically things that reveal how empty and meaningless my life really is, and hopefully that will draw some attention because even though i do not admit it, i enjoy being bothered. --- Geri Dahl wrote: > 1. i am bored, oh, i will send out a virus. > > 2. i am lonely, oh, i will go bother Lara. > > 3. i am having a hangover, oh, i will go lash out at > a > stranger. > > 4. i always have a hangover, oh, i will lash out at > > different strangers every other week for a few > > years, and then go back to the first stranger i > started with, and go full circle again. > > 5. my lover is ignoring me, oh, it must be that > > stranger's fault on the list. i think i will be > > really schizophrenic and start something. > > 6. my production sucks, oh, it must be that > stranger's > fault. i will have a few whiskey's and then try > to > start an argument...hey, maybe we'll strike a > BIG > DEAL. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69541-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:31:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94710 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:31:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94700 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:31:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724223056.78032.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: kimba Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1411183244-996013856=:78022" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Myx at Mission Rock -- Friday, July 27th --0-1411183244-996013856=:78022 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This should be fun folks.....The the first time ever, the entire SISTER SF posse will be in da house at the Mission Rock waterfront resort! check it ya'll!!!!! > peace, Linzee ........Giant Watchface Productions presents......... > * * * * * * III M y x III * * * * * * ...a waterfront celebration of and by Bay Area collectives, DJs, recording artists, and multi-media visionaries...a great mix of tribes and vibes. Myx is this Friday 7/27; 9pm-4am @ Mission Rock. 817 China Basin (near Illinois/Mariposa) San Francisco > *** SisterSF *** represents upstairs with the fabulous, talented, and fabulously talented Polywog, Forest Green, DJ Tektrix, XJS, Seraphim, Girl Friday, Freya, and lovely Linzee on the mic. Check out this special appearance – all the sisters will be in the house! www.sistersf.com. > *** Ceiba *** rocks the Bay outside with the return of their signature psytrance sound --- JayDee, KJ, and Kode IV will each spin monster 2+ hour sets. www.ceibarec.com. > *** Absolute Zero *** keeps it chill on our heated outdoor deck. On the decks are Little Mishka, Degiere, Deepbeep, C@weasl, and Jainzi. > Visuals *** Viberation *** Lights *** Radiant Atmospheres. *** > ======================================================= Directions and information: http://www.giantwatchface.com/myx Myx phone/vm: 415.820.3215 E-mail: info@giantwatchface.com $15 tickets available at the door. Admission free before 10:00 p.m. 21 + w/ i.d. Mission Rock phone: 415.626.5355 Plenty of cold free water, in addition to regular bar service. > --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1411183244-996013856=:78022-- From sfraves-return-69542-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:34:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98346 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:34:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98336 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:34:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724223430.78489.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:34:30 -0700 (PDT) From: kimba Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] lemme try again : BSP: Myx III -- Friday, July 27th -- Mission Rock ARG!! that last post got messed.. sorry bout that -- here The the first time ever, the entire SISTER SF posse will be in da house at the Mission Rock waterfront resort! check it ya'll!!!!! peace, Linzee ........Giant Watchface Productions presents......... * * * * * * III M y x III * * * * * * ...a waterfront celebration of and by Bay Area collectives, DJs, recording artists, and multi-media visionaries...a great mix of tribes and vibes. Myx is this Friday 7/27; 9pm-4am @ Mission Rock. 817 China Basin (near Illinois/Mariposa) San Francisco *** SisterSF *** represents upstairs with the fabulous, talented, and fabulously talented Polywog, Forest Green, DJ Tektrix, XJS, Seraphim, Girl Friday, Freya, and lovely Linzee on the mic. Check out this special appearance – all the sisters will be in the house! www.sistersf.com. *** Ceiba *** rocks the Bay outside with the return of their signature psytrance sound --- JayDee, KJ, and Kode IV will each spin monster 2+ hour sets. www.ceibarec.com. *** Absolute Zero *** keeps it chill on our heated outdoor deck. On the decks are Little Mishka, Degiere, Deepbeep, C@weasl, and Jainzi. Visuals *** Viberation *** Lights *** Radiant Atmospheres. *** ======================================================= Directions and information: http://www.giantwatchface.com/myx Myx phone/vm: 415.820.3215 E-mail: info@giantwatchface.com $15 tickets available at the door. Admission free before 10:00 p.m. 21 + w/ i.d. Mission Rock phone: 415.626.5355 Plenty of cold free water, in addition to regular bar service. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69543-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:36:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 325 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:36:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 312 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:36:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724223619.4323.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:36:19 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING also the double extension in the attachment... filename.doc.pif filename.jpg.pif etc --- Cheese wrote: > yep yep, just thought i would add in that my work > has also been hit by this > virus... so definately do look out for it... > something that may tip you off > is the extremely bad english/grammar used in the > body of the email... > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "knowmad AE" > To: > Sent: July 24, 2001 3:03 PM > Subject: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING > > > > Okay kids, here you go... > > > > > http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.html > > > > My work was hit and my home account was hit... > keep an > > eye out. > > > > ===== > > icq/40221388 > > aim/knowmadAE > > y!/knowmadAE > > "the third I is we and we are one, one in the > same... > > the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal > Door..." > > In Lak'ech > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69544-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14040 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:46:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14030 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:46:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.218.94.202] From: "electric joy boy" To: kimba@twinphish.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:45:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 22:45:59.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[68D784E0:01C11492] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] PSYTrance party was Re: BSP: Myx III -- I'm psyched to see the sisterSF crew. also, **To those east coast people whose addresses I lost: This is a great chance to get exposed to some good Northern California psytrance from Ceiba and friends... you don't have to go far to hear it and it's free before 10pm! Ben --- http://bhidalgo.tripod.com >From: kimba >Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] lemme try again : BSP: Myx III -- Friday, July 27th -- >Mission Rock >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:34:30 -0700 (PDT) > >ARG!! that last post got messed.. sorry bout that -- >here > > >The the first time ever, the entire SISTER SF posse >will be in da house at >the Mission Rock waterfront resort! >check it ya'll!!!!! > >peace, Linzee > >........Giant Watchface Productions presents......... > >* * * * * * III M y x III * * * * * * >...a waterfront celebration of and by Bay >Area collectives, DJs, recording artists, and >multi-media visionaries...a great mix of >tribes and vibes. > >Myx is this Friday 7/27; 9pm-4am @ Mission Rock. >817 China Basin (near Illinois/Mariposa) San Francisco > > >*** SisterSF *** represents upstairs with the >fabulous, talented, and fabulously talented Polywog, >Forest Green, DJ Tektrix, XJS, Seraphim, Girl Friday, >Freya, and lovely Linzee on the mic. Check out this >special appearance – all the sisters will be in the >house! >www.sistersf.com. > >*** Ceiba *** rocks the Bay outside with the return of > >their signature psytrance sound --- JayDee, KJ, and >Kode IV will each spin monster 2+ hour sets. >www.ceibarec.com. > >*** Absolute Zero *** keeps it chill on our heated >outdoor deck. >On the decks are Little Mishka, Degiere, Deepbeep, >C@weasl, and Jainzi. > >Visuals *** Viberation *** >Lights *** Radiant Atmospheres. *** > >======================================================= > >Directions and information: >http://www.giantwatchface.com/myx >Myx phone/vm: 415.820.3215 >E-mail: info@giantwatchface.com >$15 tickets available at the door. Admission free >before 10:00 p.m. >21 + w/ i.d. >Mission Rock phone: 415.626.5355 >Plenty of cold free water, in addition to regular bar >service. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69545-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:56:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31152 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:56:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31141 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:56:27 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5DFD96.E7BA92C@home.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:58:33 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leslie ayres CC: DJ Howlin' Bob , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010724210304.TWWU838.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts,and a letter to greg) Hmmmm... while I agree with the majority of what you said, it is also possible for the quality of their events to go down after all of these years. While I haven't been around nearly long enough to know all about old school Harmony and I have only met Greg Sandler once, I would say that the Harmony of today is much different then the Harmony of three years ago. For instance, this article (http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/echo/volume3-issue1/fatone/index.html) which someone posted to the list not too long ago begins with a movie of an old Harmony event (I did not attend BTW). That party looks a whole lot smaller and family oriented then the average Harmony event of today. Our scene is very dynamic so change is necessary, but I think that maybe Harmony has become more money and business oriented then they were in the past. There were some sketchy things about Area 51, and I know I left feeling very disenchanted after spending the whole day in Oakland seeing everything going down while helping with visuals. Not to mention other problems which just aren't worth mentioning on the list. It would've been nice if the crew and party goers had open communication with the promoters, not about everything behind the scenes, but even the basics would be nice. We had no idea what time the party was starting or ending until it started, and then it ended when the cops came. We were confused and frustrated. I feel badly for Greg on some levels, but at the same time the reason it went badly was mostly his fault and lack of planning. It just sucks that so much emotion and money was invested in the event and that it failed. I don't agree with Howlin' Bob either on this issue though. He is over reacting and the party was not as commercial and secure as we all wish it could be. Demanding refunds is not going to get anyone anywhere especially since there is no money to even offer refunds. My $.02 on the Area 51 issue... I tried to leave it, but I guess I couldn't. Lydia leslie ayres wrote: > so, dj howlin' bob, > > i've been staying out of the fray on this conversation, because greg and > dutch are friends of mine, because i know how hard it is to pull off large > (or small) events and because i felt it best. > > but... you have just called some of the most steadfast and committed > promoters in the bay area scene -- you know, the scene that you are so happy > to find, the one that you say gives you a new perspective on the world, the > one that thrills you so? -- you have just called them "incompetent and > apparently crooked" and "liars" and "thieves" -- > > and you have called the people who have attended their events over the past > many years (yes, howlin' bob, they've been providing the kind of parties > that set the standard for many many years, long before you discovered it and > became instantly the judge of all that happens) -- you have called that > community of people "camp-followers who blindly defend them and insult our > intelligence in the process" -- and bob, that would be me, and hundreds on > this list, and many thousands of people from the bay area scene. people who > have had life-changing experiences at harmony events and at area 51 and > other events of dutch's. > > i don't know you yet, but you have crossed a line. > > so, i humbly request that you take a large step down from your high horse > and take a little more time to learn about the real history of our scene, to > understand the real complexities of doing events that are not in clubs and > bars, and understand that sometimes we offer respect in our scene based on > experience and real contribution. > > greg sandler and dutch have earned the standing they have in our community. > did something get major screwed up for this event? yes it did. is that > upsetting? yes it is. i am very upset by it for a number of reasons -- which > is why i didn't post about the situation -- > > but does that give you the right, the information, the privilege of calling > them crooks and insulting the people who have attended their legendary > parties over many years? > > no, sir, it does not. > > our culture is built on a foundation of peace, love, respect and unity -- > and not just when things are all happy and rosy -- choosing to live from a > place with these values isn't something that you forget when you get a > little upset or don't like something that happens. > > our culture is not created as an economic model, and it's simply not > appropriate to use corporate structures to try to define it. we are creating > something new. i am a businessperson, and i know that it can be challenging > to incorporate these values into "business" conversations, too -- but if you > take on these values as a way to approach life, then you can't go around > calling people names and acting as if people who create dance event > experiences are expected to think like corporate executives. it's just not a > reasonable expectation. it's the behavior of a consumer, and our culture is > not built on consumerism -- it's built on community contribution. > > a thread i see in many of the people complaining about area 51 is that they > didn't get their "merchandise" -- they perceive of themselves a consumer, > and it's like they drove up to the window at burger king and ordered their > damned value meal, and they didn't get what they asked for. and even when > they do get what they ordered, they complain that it wasn't up to their > standards. human nature? i don't really think so -- i think it's arrogance > and lack of personal responsibility for creating the world around them. > > our scene suffers when it's viewed as a consumer item, and as soon as we > start to see ourselves as simply consumers who trade money for recreation -- > rather than as part of the creation of an event -- then the heart and soul > is gone. > > we are -- all of us who ever attend dance events -- a movement that is in > fact a paradigm shift in our culture, and when you're dealing with a > paradigm shift, things are going to be very rocky sometimes. but we can > weather that, by working together to understand, and by creating a world in > which our subculture is able to operate without irrational pressure from > people who don't understand us. a world where we remember the principles on > which we are based, no matter what. > > if you consider yourself a part of this subculture, if you see the power of > dancing together to trance-inducing music, if you see the power of a culture > where everyone is accepted (i'd think that you'd realize how powerful that > is -- you know, not every youth culture opens its arms to the older > generation in the way the rave scene does), if you believe that what we have > is worth protecting as it blooms, then you might want to reconsider your > post insulting so many key people in our scene, people who have made > incredible contributions to many of us in our lives. > > do we make mistakes? yes, we all do. but casting out the people who have > been an integral part in building this subculture over the past years > because something went wrong is pathetic. > > leslie > > ---------- > >From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > >To: Amber@technohead.co.uk, cloude_sf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, > and a letter to greg) > >Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2001, 11:27 AM > > > > >enough of the tired, irrelevant argument that Area 51's problems were in > >some way due to governmental malfeasance. It has been well established that > >the Area 51 people did not obtain their permits in a proper and timely > >fashion, and to attempt to shift the blame from A51's incompetence to the > >Big Bad Government Wolf (or, as Sandler did, to the Anon Salon people) is, > >simply, bullshit. and as to your ageist jive: > > > >>So perhaps you should look into either growing all the way up and Quit > >>going to parties all together because it's cramping your lifestyle or > >>calming down a bit and realizing how hard it is for promoters once in a > >>while. > > > >perhaps incompetent and apparently crooked promoters--and the camp-followers > >who blindly defend them and insult our intelligence in the process--should > >look into either delivering what they promise for the price of the tickets > >they sell, or into growing all the way up and getting a job which doesn't > >involve lying to and stealing from the community they exploit while > >purporting to "serve" it. > > > >--hb > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69546-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 22:57:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33426 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 22:57:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33416 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:57:27 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010724154502.02faac98@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:58:12 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) HB: What I don't understand is how you equate screwing up one party to: "promoters who have a record of not living up to promises" Harmony has not such a record, therefore, they do not qualify for your 'boycott' Harmony has a solid rep, and if it wasn't for Harmony, I may never have started raving. I preach once an awhile about logic.. Poisoning the well is a logical fallacy. You poison the well when you try to group everyone who disagrees with you as: "the camp-followers who blindly defend them" I'm not blindly defending Greg for fucking up Area 51, but I will defend Greg and Harmony from baseless attacks like yours; Harmony simply doesn't have the bad rep you wish it did. sarilion >no problem! in fact, i urge folks go go farther: quit buying tickets to >massives; quit buying $35-$40 tickets to events, period; quit buying >tickets from promoters who have a record of not living up to promises; >eschew above-ground events as much as possible and support the underground. >SEVERAL problems solved. > >>And BTW I'm old so HB don't give me the ageist shyte. > >Amber's post was, in fact, deliberately ageist; ergo, to call it by its >proper name isn't "shite." Given your (implied) age, that would be >inaccurate in your case. However, you are exhibiting the same knee-jerk, >irrelevant, diversionary defense of promoters' malfeasance as others, and >as such you would properly be included in the category of "the >camp-followers who blindly defend them and insult our intelligence in the >process." of course, it is possible that you may have something >substantive to offer other than the red-herring arguments you're >attempting to use to shift blame for the failure of an >incompently-promoted event from the promoter--where it rightly belongs--to >the government, which, from all accounts, did nothing other than require >timely submittal of permit applications. one would think that if you did, >however, you'd have offered that information before now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69547-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 23:10:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46686 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 23:10:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46676 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 23:10:21 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010724161002.02fb7a90@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:11:07 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: References: <20010724220356.22466.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING yeah, some of my clients ran into this worm also.. took a couple days to clean off all their workstations.. my company wasn't hit because we still use unix to read our mail. sarilion At 03:13 PM 7/24/2001 -0700, Cheese wrote: >yep yep, just thought i would add in that my work has also been hit by this >virus... so definately do look out for it... something that may tip you off >is the extremely bad english/grammar used in the body of the email... > >Timothy >**Cheese** >itswidow@hotmail.com >http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "knowmad AE" >To: >Sent: July 24, 2001 3:03 PM >Subject: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING > > > > Okay kids, here you go... > > > > http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.html > > > > My work was hit and my home account was hit... keep an > > eye out. > > > > ===== > > icq/40221388 > > aim/knowmadAE > > y!/knowmadAE > > "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... > > the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." > > In Lak'ech > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69548-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 23:22:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60952 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 23:22:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60941 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 23:22:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724232226.84975.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: "Brandon @ Invibe" , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Red Bull under investigation in Sweden deaths i find a lot of these "energy" drinks to be very questionable. i mean, i understand the intent to spark a little zing in someone who might otherwise fall asleep or feel fuzzy in the head, because they were at work all day, and they want to stay up all night, but as well, the body will tell you when it needs rest, and to counter that can bring on disease, and to counter the natural need that we all have for rest and relaxation so that we don't suffer from things like heart disease with what is basically a substitute for amphetamine has to be hard on the body. i am a big coffee drinker, and i will admit that i thrive on stress...there's nothing like running full speed on a jolt of continous anxiety for years...woohoo, america...but i think we all need to remember to take it easy. a bit of yoga and meditation can be done anywhere at any time, and in short bursts, both can quite invigorating. oh, since i am on the health news again, please stop smoking, people! emphazema (sp?) would really suck. :) --- "Brandon @ Invibe" wrote: > scary article...but i'll be damned if i have to give > up Red Bull (and > vodka). > > > On the web: > http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001240408,00.html > > text below. > > ------------- > < Brandon > > http://www.invibe.com > ------------- > > > THURSDAY JULY 12 2001 > Red Bull under investigation after deaths > FROM DAVID LISTER IN BRUSSELS AND SAM COATES > RED BULL, the energy drink that has become popular > among the over-worked and > the over-partied, is under investigation in Sweden > after reports that at > least three people have died after consuming it. > > A public warning advising people not to take Red > Bull mixed with alcohol nor > to drink it after exercise has been issued by > Sweden’s National Food > Administration. > > The warning follows the deaths of at least three > healthy men and women, all > of whom are believed to have drunk Red Bull just > before they died. > > Two of the victims, whose identities have not been > released by the Swedish > authorities, died after mixing the drink with vodka. > The third died after > taking several cans after a hard gym session. > > One of those who died, a woman in her early > thirties, collapsed in a > nightclub after just two cans of the drink mixed > with vodka. > > Red Bull cannot be sold in stores in Norway, Denmark > or France because it is > classified as medicinal because of its high caffeine > content. It could, > however, be sold in pharmacies in those countries. > > For the time being the possible health risks of the > drink are unlikely to > take the gloss off its incredible success. After > winning the Wimbledon men’s > final on Monday, there was only one drink that could > keep Goran Ivanisevic > and friends celebrating into the night: Red Bull. > Ivanisevic’s jubilant > friends bought seven cans of Red Bull and mixed it > with vodka to keep them > going. > > The National Food Administration in Sweden confirmed > yesterday that it had > launched an investigation into Red Bull and other > energy drinks to determine > whether they were safe for consumption. Anders > Glynn, from the > organisation’s toxicology department and the head of > the investigation, said > that it would focus on the two main energy products > in Red Bull — caffeine > and taurine — and the effects of combining the two > ingredients with alcohol. > > Mr Glynn said: “What we have is the suggestion that > three people have died > after drinking this substance, although there is no > hard scientific evidence > available on this yet. We will be looking at the > death certificates and > going through the autopspy reports to identify > whether or not there is a > link.” > > The National Food Administration will work with a > team of at least four > Swedish doctors led by Dan Andersson of Stockholm’s > South Hospital. At least > two of the victims are believed to have been > patients at the hospital. > > Dr Andersson told Dagens Nyheter, a Swedish daily > newspaper, that there > appeared to be no proper explanation for the three > deaths. “One other doctor > had one case, I had one, and there was also one > other. In all three cases we > suspect that the patients had been drinking Red > Bull,” he said. > > He gave a warning that it was particularly dangerous > to take energy drinks > after exercise. “If you drink a lot of Red Bull, if > you are dried out and if > you mix it with alcohol it can be very dangerous,” > he told the paper. > > One of the victims, identified only as Therese, 31, > by the Swedish press, > had consumed just two cans of Red Bull when she > collapsed on a dance floor > in March. “Suddenly she just fell down beside me. > Her heart had stopped and > she was completely lifeless,” said her boyfriend, > John Andersson, who said > that doctors finally gave up trying to resuscitate > her after using electric > shock treatment 17 times in an attempt to restart > her heart. > > It is not the first time that Red Bull has been > blamed for health problems. > Last year, Ross Cooney, 18, from Limerick, died of > sudden adult death > syndrome during a basketball match hours after he > had consumed three cans of > Red Bull. Although the inquest showed that he had > thickened artery walls and > had had a heart condition as a child, the coroner > called for more research > into the effects of Red Bull and other energy > drinks. > > In April a study at Dublin’s St James Hospital found > that two cans of the > drink caused the arteries in the body to dilate and > others to stiffen. > > Britain’s Food Standards Agency said it did not plan > to launch an > investigation into the effects of the drink. > > A spokeswoman for Red Bull insisted that the energy > drink was safe with a > strong 14-year record of safe products. “There had > been rigorous scientific > testing even before the drink came on the market,” > she said. > Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is > provided on Times > Newspapers' standard terms and conditions. To > inquire about a licence to > reproduce material from The Times, visit the > Syndication website. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69549-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 23:32:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71749 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 23:32:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71738 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 23:32:07 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: DJ Proxy , veanne , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.68] Message-Id: <20010724233202.8CB17274E@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES Ryan....Have Veronica & I like totally rubbed off on you & How Much We L<3VE *NSYNC!!! Btw, was there more than 1 Beach shindig on Fri??? I mean, I know it was dark & there were still like 5-10 people I didn't meet, but man, if Chris & JC were there & I didn't know it...oh my Goooooooosh! =( == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69550-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 23:32:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72178 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 23:32:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72144 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 23:32:12 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: raver@sarilion.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:31:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 23:31:41.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB17BE80:01C11498] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers >What I don't understand is how you equate screwing up one party to: > >"promoters who have a record of not living up to promises" you're misinterpreting what i said. that paragraph was not intended to refer to Harmony specifically, cf. the generalized references to "massives" and "$35-40 tickets" ( i've heard that other promoters throw massives and charge $35 and up); rather, the reference to "promoters who have a record of not living up to promises" was directed at other promoters who have been widely slammed on this list. i'm viewing the continuing situation in which (usually large) events are moved/cancelled without refund/presented in a inferior venue/numbers of advertised artists don't appear, as a scene-wide problem, since it seems that a week doesn't go by on this list without some issue of this nature coming up. That is what the paragraph you're objecting to was directed at. >You poison the well when you try to group everyone who disagrees with you >as: > >"the camp-followers who blindly defend them" i didn't do that. (isn't selective quoting a wonderful thing?) since you left the remainder of my original message in your reply, i can quote from it without even having to go to the original: "you are exhibiting the same knee-jerk, irrelevant, diversionary defense of promoters' malfeasance as others, and as such you would properly be included in the category of 'the camp-followers who blindly defend them and insult our intelligence in the process.'" as a logician, certainly you can differentiate between "anyone who disagrees with you" and "exhibiting...knee-jerk, irrelevant, diversionary defense of promoters' malfeasance." >Harmony simply doesn't have the bad rep you wish it did. with all due respect, you have no idea whatsoever of what i wish. i will, again, grant that my language was harsher than necessary, and apologize for that; however, the issues which provoked those words remain, and cannot be dismissed simply because you don't like the form in which they were expressed. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69551-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Jul 24 23:38:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79890 invoked by uid 1104); 24 Jul 2001 23:38:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79879 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 23:38:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.228.10.95] From: "will devoe" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sunshine1@helloworld.tc Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:38:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_578e_5cad_4e8c" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 23:38:22.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA193310:01C11499] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Attention Monterey Headz: Expresion 08.25.01 ------=_NextPart_000_578e_5cad_4e8c Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed EXPRESIo'N s a t u r d a y a u g u s t 2 8 t h .................................. come out and experience the future sounds of breakbeat culture .................................. featuring the s c i e n t i s t s of s o u n d kiyoshi 1 breaks|2*step|jungle kikkoman breaks|hiphop kelau dub |jungle sunshine downtempo mr english microphone .................................. starts at: 9:30 pm to 1:30 am located at: T'Pearl Resturant 129 Main Street Old Town Salinas Next to the Steinback Center (enter & parking in rear) cost: a donation to cover sound permit .................................. 18&over 21 w/id bar limited capacity to 100 people so come and chill to the music .................................. for more info please email me at: breakbeat3000@hotmail.com peace... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------=_NextPart_000_578e_5cad_4e8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------=_NextPart_000_578e_5cad_4e8c-- From sfraves-return-69552-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 00:05:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4006 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 00:05:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3996 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 00:05:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:03:26 -0700 From: Underscore Netcast X-Sender: dMarie@mail.groundscore.net (Unverified) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ABSTRACT / 4REAL = LIVE NETCAST UNDERSCORE _ Groundscore's Tuesday Evening Session on GROOVETECH.COM 6-8pm PST :: 9-11pm EST :: Weds 2-4am GMT July 24, 2G1: Joining forces will be loverboy A B S T R A C T (Pneuma/Phunckateck) Gigging it all over the city this past week-- with a black eye from his Capoeira addiction-- Abstract has shown and proved once again how deeply a skillful DJ can impress the music upon you. Today, he's going to switch up the steez to highlight some 2-step garage action in honor of his upcoming release on Verde-- a new sub-label of Green Recordings right out of San Francisco. Watch out for the release party coming to Hektic/Eklektic this September. Today's show hosted by 4 R E A L (Breakbeat Science/Groundscore) Yes, finally a true member of the GS crew, 4Real has dug his feet in here on the Westside. And he's got some treats for you this evening, including new releases from the Usual Suspects, Juju, Ryme Tyme, Shimon, Digital, Sonic & Silver, Orion & Math, and Klute. And FYI, his online info has moved to http://www.groundscore.net/4Real. To dip into the real playa stream, slip this in the URL field of your web browser. http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/SilverStream/Objectstore/Sounds/gtradio-san-fran.ram If you're in SF, come down and bounce with us! Or you can bounce in your chair behind that computer terminal and chat via ICQ (#75272397) or AIM (buddy GTradioSF). You can also email the Groovetech SF office at sfstudio@groovetech.com, though they sometimes forget to pass the messages on... (We'll remind them.) -> ARCHIVE HIGHLIGHT: Visit http://www.groundscore.net/underscore and check out July 10's bass-funkin breakbeat biz of the Hektic residents, Felix the Dog, Ms.E, and Clockwork. Highly recommended. --> NEW GS SITE! If you haven't seen it, go check the new design at http://www.groundscore.net. Please direct all feedback to The Regulator, mailto:Qzen@langan.net. And be forewarned: the new Eklektic site is about to launch this week! Speaking of that absolutely fabulous party, let me slip in a big up to the man SS for rolling through for the closing set last week. Well done, and thank you! Keep your ear to the ground... The Underscore Posse --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69553-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 00:08:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8251 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 00:08:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8241 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 00:08:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725000852.25134.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: knowmad AE To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr - i'm outtie takin a vacation so i'm unsubbin for a bit... just don't want to check my e-mail one day and have a few hundred e-mails about the latest piss off pushing all my other e-mail away... if you want to get a hold of me, you know what to do... ===== icq/40221388 aim/knowmadAE y!/knowmadAE "the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." In Lak'ech __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69554-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 00:10:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9758 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 00:10:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9737 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 00:09:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.172] From: "Becca Plevin" To: knowmadae@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:09:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 00:09:28.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[11F65870:01C1149E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING Grrrr..... I have been sent emails with this virus in it 3 times today! Methinks I am going to find the responsible person, string him (or her) up by his toes, and beat him severely with an RCA cable. :-P Becca >From: knowmad AE >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:03:56 -0700 (PDT) > >Okay kids, here you go... > >http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.html > >My work was hit and my home account was hit... keep an >eye out. > >===== >icq/40221388 >aim/knowmadAE >y!/knowmadAE >"the third I is we and we are one, one in the same... >the same as the Third Eye, behind the Pineal Door..." >In Lak'ech > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69555-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 00:41:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32091 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 00:41:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32080 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 00:41:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725004117.55195.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Princess Arielle To: Raver , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20010724161002.02fb7a90@qix.netcorps.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING I ran into this worm as well last night on this account from someone I hadnt heard from in over 2 years. If you have yahoo mail, that anti virus check is pretty useful cause that's how I discovered it. According to the McAfee site, it sure does sound pretty yucky! -ariel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69556-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 01:24:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56047 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 01:24:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56037 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 01:24:08 -0000 Message-ID: <003601c114a9$cd610280$ba05510c@sjsu.edu> From: "n i c o" To: "sfraves" References: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:33:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] area 51 DJ clarification... > Jon - yes. played an extremely good set in the sublevel after heather hart > and before bryan zentz. if you missed these three sets, you might have > missed the best stuff of the night! Yeah, k, thanks for rubbing it in. love and techno n i c o --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69557-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 01:30:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59618 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 01:30:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59608 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 01:30:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725013015.2217.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:30:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Help clean up society! Just like the War on Drugs, this is an important movement that I'm sure you'll all *lend a hand to* . This looks a lot like a parody, but I never can be sure... -Dreg http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/2680/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69558-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 01:38:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64268 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 01:38:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64256 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 01:38:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.228.27.210] From: "Rayn" To: "Princess Arielle" , "Raver" , References: <20010725004117.55195.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:29:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1146E.996118C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 01:38:08.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[74DC3930:01C114AA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1146E.996118C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of my users here at work got it today. With this virus, the best course of action is to go to the symantec site and download the program that automatically removes it (enclosed in email). Do not delete anything other than the original email or the proggie won't work and you'll have to remove it manually.. Best yet, don't open the damn thing when you get it in email! This virus is easily avoided due to it not being a self launching virus.. I don't know if this attachment will go through but here is the fix as well. If you don't trust me don't run it but if any of you want to run it and still don't trust me, write me at rayn@cp.net I work for an email company so trust me.. The less the spreads the less our companies servers have to work to defend against it ;) -Rayn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Princess Arielle" To: "Raver" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING > I ran into this worm as well last night on this > account from someone I hadnt heard from in over 2 > years. If you have yahoo mail, that anti virus check > is pretty useful cause that's how I discovered it. > According to the McAfee site, it sure does sound > pretty yucky! > > -ariel > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1146E.996118C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1146E.996118C0-- From sfraves-return-69559-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 01:48:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69558 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 01:48:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69548 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 01:48:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.228.27.210] From: "Rayn" To: "Rayn" , "Princess Arielle" , "Raver" , References: <20010725004117.55195.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:39:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 01:47:32.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[C50FE180:01C114AB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING Blah, sorry. I'm a few posts late. NM. Follow Knowmads link. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rayn" To: "Princess Arielle" ; "Raver" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING > One of my users here at work got it today. With this virus, the best course > of action is to go to the symantec site and download the program that > automatically removes it (enclosed in email). Do not delete anything other > than the original email or the proggie won't work and you'll have to remove > it manually.. Best yet, don't open the damn thing when you get it in email! > This virus is easily avoided due to it not being a self launching virus.. > > I don't know if this attachment will go through but here is the fix as well. > If you don't trust me don't run it but if any of you want to run it and > still don't trust me, write me at rayn@cp.net I work for an email company > so trust me.. The less the spreads the less our companies servers have to > work to defend against it ;) > > -Rayn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Princess Arielle" > To: "Raver" ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR - URGENT VIRUS WARNING > > > > I ran into this worm as well last night on this > > account from someone I hadnt heard from in over 2 > > years. If you have yahoo mail, that anti virus check > > is pretty useful cause that's how I discovered it. > > According to the McAfee site, it sure does sound > > pretty yucky! > > > > -ariel > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69560-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 01:48:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71017 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 01:48:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71007 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 01:48:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.21.77.34] From: "Leland Yue" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:48:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 01:48:23.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[E372A8B0:01C114AB] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] A sparkle of PLUR at Area 51 I had a pretty good time at Area 51. I go mostly for the music, since it really does seem like there's a lack of the true sense of love and PLUR at massives. And the music was great! Especially Tinrib and the live performance by the SUN Project (I think that was their name) at the end. Since I went sober, I noticed the lack of "intimacy" and "friendship" that I've heard people talk about at small UG raves. So this kinda made me not want to talk to people that much and just stand there and enjoy the music. There were some friendly people that I got to talking to in the middle of the dance floor, but overall, I didn't really want to reach out. There was one girl that REALLY made my night, though. Near the end, just before SUN project came up, I was sitting down at the side, resting my feet. I had my head down and my eyes closed. This girl came up to me and my friend and asked if she could put her stuff down by us. I looked up and smiled at her and said sure! So she puts her purse and her jacket down, and she starts going to people nearby and cooling them down with her fan she had brought. And she was hugging people and making them feel better. I thought to myself, Wow, she's really cool. I liked her energy. I noticed that her jacket was kinda spread out on the floor, and people walking by were nearly stepping on it. So I reached over and folded her jacket and placed it on top of her purse, so it wouldn't get stepped on. I didn't think she saw me doing that, but she did. And she was like "THAAANKK YOUUUU!!!" with her eyes lit up a BIG smile on her face. I thought to myself, WOW, she noticed and she appreciated it!!! So I smiled back to her and said "You're welcome!!!" And then she pointed her fan at me and cooled me down. That felt goooood. :) A few minutes later, we decided to get back out to the floor to see the SUN project. I gave her a little hug and I told her we had to go. I felt really good knowing I did something nice for someone and got noticed for it! I thought she was a really cool, energetic, and friendly person. It made me realize that there ARE people out there who are truly PLUR, who love people, and who are open and friendly. I hope to meet more people like her, who inspire me to be open and friendly. I wish I remembered her name, or took a picture with her. :( And that was my sparkle of PLUR at Area 51. PS. I think my ears finally stopped ringing. :P _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69561-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 01:58:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76425 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 01:58:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76410 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 01:58:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.247.70] From: "Augie Dogg" To: acydrayn@hotmail.com Cc: ascend@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:57:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 01:57:37.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DBA0CF0:01C114AD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened I'd have to agree with EVERYTHING you said, Rayn. Yeah, I lost 42 big ones, heck I even drove all the way back up to the Bay Area from LA- but oh well. Shit happens. Realistically, you have to put yourself in the promoter's position: the idea of cancelling the event, finding a new location, still paying the djs, security, et all. I have been a supporter of Harmony for years now and its everything in the scene and with law enforcement thats screwed up, not just some "shady promoter". Ultimately, we all have to hold our own responsibly and not always point fingers at others. I dont mean to sound retro or anything, but the problems facing the rave scene in general is just a recycle of problems past countercultures(like hippies in the 60's) have had to face against the media, law, and the maintenance of the political and moral "status quo". ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Rayn" To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , , , , , Subject: [sfraves] Lengthy - Was A51 WTF happened Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:53:36 -0700 This may be true but looking back on the track record of this promoter in general, their parties have almost always gone off. Sure it shitty this happened and we all hate losing the money for it, but in defense they lost alot of money too. Most of us come from a background of underground raves where everything done was illegal. I even remember nights where the party moved three times but all acts got to play. Now take this inflation and influx of people who love these new massive parties. Everyone outside our circle hates us. In the old days, sure we could pack up and move shop when shit hit the fan but not anymore. Espicially in an area that is known for the parties and most people want them shut down. He lost the first venue. Did he give up? No. The second venue would've been just as good except for a not-his fault situation. Most of your "shady" promoters would've given up seeing as how the day of the even was the next day. No, he kept going. He still provided someplace for you to go and see your DJ's.. Sure it wasn't the ideal locations for you, and it was probably just as less ideal for him having to decided which sound system was going where, which DJ's were going where, how to inform the people, etc. Sure it'd be nice if you could get a refund, but from what. Their money is gone. Gone to pay all the djs, the movers, the security, the new venues, any permits needed at last second etc.. He still has to pay everyone. But he's going to try and recover and anyone with a ticket is going to the next event in compensation for free. Yet another loss of revenue. Yeah class-action lawsuits are good and all (in theory, I think its the stupidist thing in the world)but what would it do except destroy one of the good promoters in the area. If they were filed, he could claim bankruptcy since he is a company. Or do you suck up the loss of $42 measly dollars. Put your head on straight and think to yourself.. What can I do to help something like this go off and get yourself active in the SFLNC. The bay area party scene, anything. Remember our roots spread from the idea of community. The basis is still valid. If you don't have time to contribute to help something other than paying money you're not really helping your community.. This is the equivalent of giving money to chairty or actuially going to a homeless shelter and offering whatever freetime you have, or planting trees in your neighborhood to help brighten it up. If you don't take pride in being a bay area party kid and just go to a party to see some cool music, take some drugs and go home liking the whole expierience or being pissed because the group throwing it didn't have enough help and support of the community as a whole. We really need to wake up people. Our scene is dying, its slipping, the "man" is running us into the ground, too many people are worried about money to realize that they can help contribute other ways to help everything as a whole.. Theres going to be more and more of this.. Massives are an easy target to destroy because of how much money flows through these things but the more "mainstream" we get the more we get the attention of haters. Everyone is turning a deaf ear to us because of our own squabbling. We're not willing to help those who fail and lift them up. We are very fickle.. We praise a great party but the next time that same company throws one and it flops they're considered shady promoters. I see it more and more on here and its a disease spreading through everything. Planting seeds of hate everywhere. I hate coming off sounding like PLUR-activist but PLUR shouldn't be dead. Its necessary. Turn the other cheek. Respect people for trying no matter what, if you're a seasoned vet offer some help with the next party, if your a newbie promoter, ask for help. Practice PLUR and lead by example. Don't shove it down other peoples throats. Just be nice, even if someone pisses you off, go away looking like whatever that person did to you has not affected you and don't retaliate. Move on and get over it. The more you do it the easier it gets. Ok, I'll stop rambling and I see there's other lists in this reply all. Take heed or suffer the fate thats happening all around the country and the death of scenes everywhere. I want to be able to rave until the day I die. It an atmosphere with good music, good people, DJ's (good or bad), and good times. I am in no way party of Greg Sandlers crew, and I'm looking into being more active with the SFLNC so don't say I'm trying to defend him just because I work for him. I believe in the whole idea as a whole. I love you all even though most of you will flame me. -Rayn _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69562-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 01:58:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78199 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 01:58:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78161 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 01:58:48 -0000 Message-ID: <041101c114ad$39915c90$1d085c42@conspiracy> From: "DJ Kir Kryyn \(Beau D. Simensen\)" To: , Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:57:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_040E_01C11472.8CD3C2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Halogen Radio Tonight! ------=_NextPart_000_040E_01C11472.8CD3C2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A couple of us are just kicking it tonight. Probably pretty low key. = First "house" DJ for Halogen Radio! Yay. =3D) Nice balance for the rest = of the NRG and Psytrance we normally play. The streams are listed but probably won't be "up" for another 15 minutes = or so. We'll be up for sure by 7:30PM. o http://radio.halogen.org/ Hopefully the streams will be a bit more stable tonight than they were = last week. =3D) If all else fails, try the Live365 site! If you get = lost, search for "kirkryyn" in the broadcaster search to find us! G'night! DJ Kir Kryyn Beau D. Simensen http://www.dj-kirkryyn.com/ AIM: Kir Kryyn ------=_NextPart_000_040E_01C11472.8CD3C2C0-- From sfraves-return-69563-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 02:20:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89809 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 02:20:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89798 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 02:20:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.21.77.34] From: "Leland Yue" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, long_megan@hotmail.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:19:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 02:19:36.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[4040C230:01C114B0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: sfraves Digest 23 Jul 2001 22:30:45 -0000 Issue 2452 In the main room for Maritime Hall, the ones I remember are Tinrib, Binary Finary, SUN Project, St John, and one DJ who had a lady singing and dancing live. >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:09:38 >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >From: "Megan Long" >Cc: ascend@ix.netcom.com >Subject: Area 51 acts >Message-ID: > >OK, so I'm just wondering out of curiosity, can we get the breakdown on >which artists didn't get to play at Area 51? Did Binary Finary, Frankie >Bones and John Selway play at Maritime? Who didn't get to in Oakland? >Muchas gracias, >Megan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69564-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 02:27:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95528 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 02:27:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95517 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 02:27:47 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:27:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 02:27:15.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[51CC8790:01C114B1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Sundance Park Picnics - Part 2 8.05.01 Liquidcafe.com is proud to present quality events that all can enjoy. We pride ourselves in the fact that our events are safe, intimate, without the drug element, family oriented, and very vibey. It is with great pleasure that we present to you the second in a series of summer picnics. Liquidcafe.com presents :::::::::: SUNDANCE PARK PICNICS :::::::::: -- summer series 2001 Part 2 -- Sunday, August 5, 2001 12noon - 8pm All picnics are Free! Featuring: BILLY LANE (Black-Locust.com) [916jungle madness] DJ PAT (Teknique, Fresno) [Raw German Techno all over your face] MARKUS (Kickdrum Recordings) [Deep tribal-house in full effect] RIGATONY (Sagitariun) [Funky House beats] PAUL GORDON (Liquidcafe.com) [a deeper funked soul flava] GANNYMEDE & MEK (Stilldream) [Trance vibrations on a "Mars & Mystre" tip] KRON DON (Craftmasters) [Heavy ragga-jungle basslines for your hoopty] MARCEL (liquidcafe.com) [Tribal funked-progressive] DIGGLER (Ruby Sky/Dj Cafe) [Jazzy House grooves] STARFIRE (Liquidcafe.com) [Smooth Drum n Bass wit a twist] *Line-up subject to change THIS EVENT WILL NOT BE AT GIBSON RANCH For directions and details: Infoline: 916.466.9113 / 415.303.7404 Online: www.liquidcafe.com/events.html **Sundance part 3 The Grand Finale coming Sept. Thanks to all of you for coming out and supporting these park picnics. It's been a fun couple of years, and it keeps getting better. Looking forward to seeing you all August 6th. What to Bring: Blankets Folding chairs water, and beverages Food and BBQ stuff sunscreen little nieces and nephews, babies and family Lots of smiles and happy faces What not to Bring: Drugs Drug Paraphenalia pacifiers Dust Masks Bad Attitudes crappy friends Disorderly conduct Anything that would give our scene a bad name. Note: This will be a family event in a public park, carry yourselves accordingly. See ya soon. Much love, Paulie Paul Liquidcafe.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69565-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 02:37:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2047 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 02:37:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2037 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 02:37:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.232.223.129] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: "ian m" , "SF RAVES" , "patric patric" , "f8" , "Binh Tran" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:33:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1619 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C11477.8D705EA0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 02:37:02.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFB985F0:01C114B2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bsp*GUESS WHOS AT STEREOPHONIK*WED! ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C11477.8D705EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll keep it quick here folks, this week at Stereophonik, Keith Edwards ARA Aloha Dave Gianni =20 this week at KillaSubz, know1 Proxy Seraphim Siphon optical assault by Terry of Viberation STEREOPHONIK/KILLASUBZ every Wednesday at the Cactus Club, $5 to get in, = 18 and up 417= S. 1st St San= Jose, CA We will not be silenced! 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://exp= lorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C11477.8D705EA0-- From sfraves-return-69566-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 02:49:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10310 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 02:49:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10299 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 02:49:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lara X-Sender: laraz@localhost To: djbezerker -RPC cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] new Ruffneck Playaz T-Shirts! gee i can't wait to get one. wait til i get called a ruffneck bitch (oh wait, i don't need a t-shirt for that do i!) how this got through to the list, i don't know, but blatant cross-posting is SUPPOSED to be filtered out. my apologies to the sfravers who were unintentionally sent this e-mail by the one called "bezerker." ian, your spam is not wanted here. DEATH TO SPAM! Lara ---- "In love, the paradox occurs that two beings become one and yet remain two." -- Erich Fromm "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -- Oscar Wilde On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, djbezerker -RPC wrote: > the new 2001 Ruffneck Playaz and Ruffneck Bitch T-shirts will be in soon! > Last year, the 2000 designs sold out FAST! These are gonna be in LIMITED > quantity, so we are taking advance orders to reserve them. They will be > ready to ship by 8/5. Last years designs and ordering information can be > found at: > > http://www.ruffneckplayazcrew.com > > ian > bezerker > harD.C.ore > http://www.djbezerker.com > http://www.ruffneckplayazcrew.com > http://www.sessions1.com > http://www.raversonly.com > http://www.bubblecrew.com > http://www.elavibe.com > aim: djbezerker > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69567-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 02:55:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13795 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 02:55:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13772 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 02:55:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.31.96.161] From: "innocentchild  " To: souperfly@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:54:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 02:54:47.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A806C20:01C114B5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES Names were changed to protect those that were involved? That's how it usually goes. Teasing is gute with that godass ego or whatever your new sn is =P ryan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69568-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 02:59:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16921 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 02:59:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16910 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 02:59:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:59:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: leslie ayres cc: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010724210304.TWWU838.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19.143.8]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) >a thread i see in many of the people complaining about area 51 is that they >didn't get their "merchandise" -- they perceive of themselves a consumer, >and it's like they drove up to the window at burger king and ordered their >damned value meal, and they didn't get what they asked for. and even when >they do get what they ordered, they complain that it wasn't up to their >standards. human nature? i don't really think so -- i think it's arrogance >and lack of personal responsibility for creating the world around them. > >our scene suffers when it's viewed as a consumer item, and as soon as we >start to see ourselves as simply consumers who trade money for recreation -- >rather than as part of the creation of an event -- then the heart and soul >is gone. Leslie, I need to respectfully disagree with you here - Area 51 was *presented* as a consumer event. For years now, SF's massive raves have been advertised as consumer hedonist spectacles - witness Vlad's "If it feels good it is good" bullshit he used to print on flyers. Or the implied - and sometimes explicitly stated - promise is that buying a ticket to a party guarantees a life-changing experience or a recreational mindfuck. Area 51 was advertised as a 100% permitted secure safe all-night electronic dance festival, it was promoted ALL OVER the city, it was promoted on the FUCKING RADIO, and it was even pushed in cities like Seattle and LA. I routinely passed a half dozen flyers stuck to the ground on my way to work every morning for the entire month of July, and I don't even work near any clubs that I'm aware of. One of the folks close to the event told me last week that they had ads on Live105 and 94.9, two unrepentantly commercial and non-UG radio stations. For Area 51 to suddenly be re-branded as a underground expression of the counterculture because it's convenient in light of a colossal mistake is a misrepresentation almost as bad as the half-truths on the flyer - anyone else catch the "permit number" on the lower left-hand corner of the place-mat poster? Why was the permit number listed as "S.J.M.C."? San Jose Municipal Code? While I know as well as anyone what contributions to "the scene" Greg and Dutch have made over the last years (and I'll be the first to say that I was a die-hard Harmony crew member for a number of years. Harmony's parties in 1996 are still the yardstick by which I measure almost the all parties I attend now), this one fell apart. I don't buy the PLUR argument, because this time it does not apply - if this were some seat-of-the-pants renegade where purchasing a ticket included an implied risk that the event might not go off as planned, then I think the whole list may be a lot more forgiving - witness the supportive response accorded to Happy Kids when their party got busted a few months back and they treated their guests *and* the cops with respect and honesty. A lot of people lost money, because they risked their cash on a party that was presented as a sure bet. I think folks like Howlin' Bob have a right to complain on this list, and if they use harsh words, then it just underscores the magnitude of what went wrong. While I may not agree with some of Bob's opinions, I certainly think he has a right to be pissed. -mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69569-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 03:34:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34934 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 03:34:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34924 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 03:34:02 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: "Mike Migurski" , "leslie ayres" Cc: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:45:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) Mike Migurski wrote: > A lot of people lost money, because they risked their cash on a party that > was presented as a sure bet. I think folks like Howlin' Bob have a right > to complain on this list, and if they use harsh words, then it just > underscores the magnitude of what went wrong. While I may not agree with > some of Bob's opinions, I certainly think he has a right to be pissed. I agree with you, Mike. These are commercial enterprises, and they are marketing to people, some very young, entertainment that costs a great deal in both expectations and dollars. When you take $40-$50 from people you better have your damn operations in place. Again, these are NOT underground events where the community participates in organizing and throwing them on a break even basis. I'm not as concerned for the promoters as I am for the kids. Someone must be their advocate in this. Someone must come forward and say: "You are accountable for the delivery of your advertised commercial party." And this is a family of dancers as well as DJs and promoters. If someone is feeling hurt, we should at least have the patience and compassion to listen, and then think creatively of ways in which this hurt can be prevented in future. Respect, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69570-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 04:05:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51103 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 04:05:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51064 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 04:05:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:05:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh To: Apollo cc: Mike Migurski , leslie ayres , "DJ Howlin' Bob" , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) > Mike Migurski wrote: > > > A lot of people lost money, because they risked their cash on a party that > > was presented as a sure bet. I think folks like Howlin' Bob have a right > > to complain on this list, and if they use harsh words, then it just > > underscores the magnitude of what went wrong. While I may not agree with > > some of Bob's opinions, I certainly think he has a right to be pissed. > > I agree with you, Mike. These are commercial enterprises. > > I'm not as concerned for the promoters as I am for the kids. Someone must > be their advocate in this. Someone must come forward and say: "You are > accountable for the delivery of your advertised commercial party." As was mentioned before there is no way the promoters of area 51 can pay back the people that purchased a ticket for the event and went to a sub-par event. If this was the case all they would do is file bankruptcy and nobody would get there money back and we would have less promoters who do try and put on events in the bay area. In the future people just need to make decision as to what they want to do, either 1. Get MORE proof of the event being what it is said to be(IE copies of permits) 2 Wait and buy tickets at the door in order to make sure you know exactly were the events will be held and the info on the location. 3 Come to the conlusion that NO RAVES are gonna be Exactly what they say they are gonna be, because THE MAN is against us and no matter what the promoters say, THE MAN has more power than me/you/and the promoter--permits will get yanked, parties will get shut down---no matter how much the promoter crosses his/her T's and dots their I's--FACE IT FOLKS. 4. Don't go. People are saying that massives are just like concerts; however, at a concert you know were you are going, and you know they have permits in order to throw the event, and you know that the concert ends WAY before 2am--which usually means it's safe from something going wrong in regards to the police messin tings up. You all are so pissed off at what happen, Where were you when there was NO info on the location of the event? Where were you when you should have raised questions about a rave going all night in SF and being all ages? NO you all just purchased your tickets without thinking like a consumer. If I buy something that sucks and I didn't do my research on it, alot of the times, I blame myself. I'll bitch about it and tell others not to buy their product, but i don't go back to the manufacture and ask for my money back. As my grandfather once said, "everybody lies". There is no doubt that area51 crew did wrong, but all you can do is act like better consumers in the future, and make this community better informed in the future. jahsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69571-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 04:07:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53084 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 04:07:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53072 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 04:07:28 -0000 From: MoonChyld1@aol.com Message-ID: <18.fc62c40.288f9fee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:07:10 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18.fc62c40.288f9fee_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr: a lesson in racial stereotypes... --part1_18.fc62c40.288f9fee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you've seen/heard this before i'm sorry, but now only is it a good laugh, but also a good lesson in closedmindedness.... BE SURE TO READ IT TO THE END. THERE IS A MORAL TO THIS STORY. IT IS NOT A JOKE. For anyone who didn't see David Letterman's take on this: (And it's a true story...) On a recent weekend in Atlantic City, a woman won a bucketful of quarters at a slot machine. She took a break from the slots for dinner with her husband in the hotel dining room. But first she wanted to stash the quarters in her room. "I'll be right back and we'll go to eat," she told her husband and carried the coin-laden bucket to the elevator. As she was about to walk into the elevator she noticed two men already on board. Both were black. One of them was tall...very tall...an intimidating figure. The woman froze. Her first thought was: These two are going to rob me. Her next thought was: Don't be a bigot, they look like perfectly nice gentlemen. But racial stereotypes are powerful, and fear immobilized her. She stood and stared at the two men. She felt anxious, flustered and ashamed. She hoped they didn't read her mind but Gosh, they had to know what she was thinking!!! Her hesitation about joining them in the elevator was all too obvious now. Her face was flushed. She couldn't just stand there, so with a mighty effort of will she picked up one foot and stepped forward and followed with the other foot and was on the elevator. Avoiding eye contact, she turned around stiffly and faced the elevator doors as they closed. A second passed, and then another second, and then another. Her fear increased! The elevator didn't move. Panic consumed her. My God, she thought, I'm trapped and about to be robbed! Her heart plummeted. Perspiration poured from every pore. Then one of the men said, "Hit the floor." Instinct told her to do what they told her. The bucket of quarters flew upwards as she threw out her arms and collapsed on the elevator floor. A shower of coins rained down on her. Take my money and spare me, she prayed. More seconds passed. She heard one of the men say politely, "Ma'am, if you'll just tell us what floor you're going to, we'll push the button." The one who said it had a little trouble getting the words out. He was trying mightily to hold in a belly laugh. The woman lifted her head and looked up at the two men. They reached down to help her up. Confused, she struggled to her feet. "When I told my friend here to hit the floor," said the average sized one, "I meant that he should hit the elevator button for our floor. I didn't mean for you to hit the floor, ma'am." He spoke genially. He bit his lip. It was obvious he was having a hard time not laughing. The woman thought: My God, what a spectacle I've made of myself. She was humiliated to speak. She wanted to blurt out an apology, but words failed her. How do you apologize to two perfectly respectable gentlemen for behaving as though they were going to rob you? She didn't know what to say. The three of them gathered up the strewn quarters and refilled her bucket. When the elevator arrived at her floor they then insisted on walking her to her room. She seemed a little unsteady on her feet, and they were afraid she might not make it down the corridor. At her door they bid her a good evening. As she slipped into her room she could hear them roaring with laughter as they walked back to the elevator. The woman brushed herself off. She pulled herself together and went downstairs for dinner with her husband. The next morning flowers were delivered to her room - a dozen roses. Attached to EACH rose was a crisp one hundred dollar bill. The card said: "Thanks for the best laugh we've had in years. "It was signed; Eddie Murphy & Michael Jordan PS - Pass this around so others can enjoy!!! love and hugs and kisses, tina --part1_18.fc62c40.288f9fee_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69572-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 04:13:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58224 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 04:13:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58214 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 04:13:30 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: "Jahsh" Cc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:25:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) Jahsh wrote: > You all are so pissed off at what happen, Where were you when > there was NO info on the location of the event? Where were you when you > should have raised questions about a rave going all night in SF and being > all ages? NO you all just purchased your tickets without thinking like a > consumer. If I buy something that sucks and I didn't do my research on it, > alot of the times, I blame myself. I'll bitch about it and tell others not > to buy their product, but i don't go back to the manufacture and ask for > my money back. As my grandfather once said, "everybody lies". > > There is no doubt that area51 crew did wrong, but all you can do is act > like better consumers in the future, and make this community better > informed in the future. I have repeatedly said the same things you said. All of my posts have consistently called for consumer awareness and self-policing in our community. And I'm not asking for my money back, am I? I'm asking for the kind of honesty and respect from promoters that we require from ourselves in this community. Period. Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69573-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 04:16:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61170 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 04:16:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61159 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 04:16:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.179] From: "Becca Plevin" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:15:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 04:15:37.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[75435D70:01C114C0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: Grommeting kits? Does anyone know where to get a grommeting kit? I need one with pretty strong grommets for some decorations.... Sorry for the spam, list. Becca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69574-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 04:24:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66662 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 04:24:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66648 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 04:24:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.217.15.11] From: "Gabba Junkie" To: apollo@speakeasy.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:24:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 04:24:14.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[A914A270:01C114C1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] the area 51/consumer drama I don't think apollo has a very strong grasp of the situation here....the party flier promised certain things...i.e. a venue, 300,000 square feet, 18+ among other things...now thinking as a consumer if you buy a bag of chips and the outside says barbecue but when you get them home their sour cream its the consumer's fault? On the contrary i think we did our part as consumers and accepting the promoters promises. the fact that there was no venue on the info line is irrelavant because one was promised...hell it wasnt on the flier either...now i live in sac so i ddin't hear anything about the venue drama...but acting as a consumer i was cheated...plain and simple i didnt recieve what was promised to me...and in my mind thats the bottom line and MORE then enough reason to boycott future HARMONY productions until they throw enough successful raves to gain my respect. Kevin Cave AIM XXPINCUSHIONXX >From: "Apollo" >Reply-To: >To: "Jahsh" >CC: >Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, >and a letter to greg) >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:25:07 -0700 > > > >Jahsh wrote: > > > You all are so pissed off at what happen, Where were you when > > there was NO info on the location of the event? Where were you when you > > should have raised questions about a rave going all night in SF and >being > > all ages? NO you all just purchased your tickets without thinking like a > > consumer. If I buy something that sucks and I didn't do my research on >it, > > alot of the times, I blame myself. I'll bitch about it and tell others >not > > to buy their product, but i don't go back to the manufacture and ask for > > my money back. As my grandfather once said, "everybody lies". > > > > There is no doubt that area51 crew did wrong, but all you can do is act > > like better consumers in the future, and make this community better > > informed in the future. > >I have repeatedly said the same things you said. All of my posts have >consistently called for consumer awareness and self-policing in our >community. And I'm not asking for my money back, am I? I'm asking for the >kind of honesty and respect from promoters that we require from ourselves >in >this community. Period. > >Apollo > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69575-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 04:31:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70959 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 04:31:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70949 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 04:31:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.217.15.11] From: "Gabba Junkie" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:30:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 04:30:30.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[892C7E50:01C114C2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Fwd: [sfraves] the area 51/consumer drama Sorry to exclude Jahsh from the letter..i didn't mean to point out only apollo... K~ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69576-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 04:45:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81441 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 04:45:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81431 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 04:45:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.200.26] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: josh@cloudfactory.org, apollo@speakeasy.org Cc: mike@cloudfactory.org, leslie.ayres@sflnc.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:44:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 04:44:43.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[85D1A8A0:01C114C4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) >As was mentioned before there is no way the promoters of area 51 >can pay back the people that purchased a ticket for the event and went to >a sub-par event. If this was the case all they would do is file bankruptcy >and nobody would get there money back and we would have less promoters who >do try and put on events in the bay area. though my personal opinion is that it would be both fair and justified, a monetary refund woundn't necessarily be required for the A51 folks to make some sort of amends. Look at the 12 Monkeys situation that happened at Townsend awhile back; there, the event went as scheduled, but had sound problems and was shut down early by the venue. The 12 Monkeys folks gave detailed explanations of what happened and why, apologized sincerely and repeatedly, and threw two small free parties as a make-up gesture. IMO that was a righteous response, and showed sincere respect for the people...and also didn't require them to pay out piles of money they may not have had. i doubt that even the most irate A51 patron wants blood, or wants to see Harmony ruined; but it would be a wise gesture of respect to the community for the A51 folks to address the situation specifically, and soon, and to do *something* that would help make up for this mess. which raises a question that struck me on the way home tonight: if "PLUR" and, specifically, "respect," are to be held as central values of the community, at what point does the responsibility to be respectful fall on the promoters as well? does it show "respect" to the community to engage in the various practices which people have posted about from many different events, ranging from last-minute moves to poor venues/sound to exploitative pricing to oppressive security practices to take-the-money-and-run? when do we get to say "that's disrespectful, and it's not OK"? ________ in related matters, i have been apprised of various aspects of Greg Sandler's role and history in the local scene...and though it is IMO undeniable that the A51 folks screwed the pooch big-time in this most recent event, and my criticism of the way A51 was handled still stands, it was unfair of me to lump him in with other promoters who have been the subject of severe criticism on this list. sorry, Greg. but please try to have your permit sorted next time... --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69577-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 05:13:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97546 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 05:13:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97536 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 05:13:25 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c114c9$4dd56fe0$01010101@kandyman> From: "Bryan Oley" To: , , Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:18:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1148E.889D3440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Citys who pass "anti rave laws" get federal funding in new Anti Ecstasy Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1148E.889D3440 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0011_01C1148E.889D3440" ------=_NextPart_001_0011_01C1148E.889D3440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.alchemind.org/DLL/sb1208_summary_announcement.htm New Federal Anti-Ecstasy Bill Introduced A Summary of S1208 the Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001=20 In conjunction with a 2-day NIDA-directed Ecstasy conference, Senator = Bob Graham (D-Fla), on July 19, 2001, introduced the "Ecstasy Prevention = Act of 2001." An initial analysis by the Alchemind Society's Center for = Cognitive Liberty & Ethics (CCLE) shows that this new bill, while giving = lip-service to generating more scientific data about the health = consequences of MDMA (Ecstasy), directs over 22 million dollars to = increased law enforcement, media propaganda, and the creation of a new = MDMA drug test.=20 Senator Graham was one of the sponsors of the Ecstasy Anti-Proliferation = Act of 2000, which substantially increased penalties associated with = certain federal Ecstasy offenses. Provisions in that Act, which would = have infringed on free speech, were struck after the Alchemind Society's = Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics and other civil liberties groups = voiced objections. =20 Under the newly introduced Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001:=20 $15 million will be allocated "to assist anti-Ecstasy law = enforcement initiatives in high intensity drug trafficking areas" and = another $1 million will be allocated to establish a federal "task Force = on Ecstasy/MDMA and Emerging Club Drugs" which will report to President = Bush and to the Congress on how to improve national drug control = strategy with regard to Ecstasy. =20 $7 million will be allocated to a "national youth anti-drug media = campaign" that "addresses the reduction and prevention of abuse of = MDMA.among young people." =20 An unspecified amount of money will be appropriated to the Office = of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) "to commission a drug test for = MDMA which would meet the standards for the Federal Workplace." =20 $1.5 million will be allocated for the National Institute on Drug = Abuse to conduct research on MDMA and publish a public report no later = than January 1, 2003, which "evaluates the effects that MDMA use can = have on an individual's health," and which documents "those research = findings with respect to MDMA that are scientifically valid and identify = the medical consequences on an individual's health." =20 Communities that have passed ordinances "restricting rave clubs" = and which have increased law enforcement directed toward Ecstasy = offenses will receive priority in receiving grants under the Public = Health Service Act. =20 =20 This summer has been busy with anti-Ecstasy legislation. If Governor = George H. Ryan of Illinois signs HB126 (as he's expected to do) Illinois = will enact one of the toughest anti-Ecstasy laws in the country. Under = the Illinois bill, the possession of 15 MDMA (Ecstasy) pills will result = in a mandatory minimum of 4 years in prison, and up to a maximum of 15 = years. The Alchemind Society's Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics = (CCLE) expects Governor Ryan to sign HB 126 any day now.=20 The CCLE is currently monitoring the progress the Ecstasy Prevention Act = of 2001 (S1208) and will be preparing a detailed analysis of the bill = should it move forward.=20 Resources: For more information, visit the area of the CCLE's Web site devoted to = the Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001, = http://www.alchemind.org/DLL/sb1208_index.htm, which includes, among = other things:=20 Senator Bob Graham's press release announcing the bill;=20 =20 the full text of the bill along with continuous updates on its = status;=20 =20 CCLE summary and analysis of the bill. =20 =20 For more information, contact: Richard Glen Boire, J.D. 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New Federal Anti-Ecstasy Bill = Introduced
A Summary of S1208 the Ecstasy Prevention Act = of=20 2001

In conjunction with a = 2-day=20 NIDA-directed Ecstasy conference, Senator Bob Graham (D-Fla), on July = 19, 2001,=20 introduced the “Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001.” An initial = analysis by the=20 Alchemind Society's Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics (CCLE) = shows that=20 this new bill, while giving lip-service to generating more scientific = data about=20 the health consequences of MDMA (Ecstasy), directs over 22 million = dollars to=20 increased law enforcement, media propaganda, and the creation of a new = MDMA drug=20 test. 

Senator Graham was one = of the=20 sponsors of the Ecstasy Anti-Proliferation Act of 2000, which = substantially=20 increased penalties associated with certain federal Ecstasy offenses. = Provisions=20 in that Act, which would have infringed on free speech, were struck = after the=20 Alchemind Society’s Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics and = other civil=20 liberties groups voiced objections.  

Under the newly introduced Ecstasy = Prevention Act of 2001: =

$15=20 million will be allocated “to assist anti-Ecstasy law = enforcement=20 initiatives in high intensity drug trafficking areas” and = another $1=20 million will be allocated to establish a federal “task Force = on=20 Ecstasy/MDMA and Emerging Club Drugs” which will report to = President Bush=20 and to the Congress on how to improve national drug control = strategy with=20 regard to = Ecstasy.

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$7 million=20 will be allocated to a “national youth anti-drug media = campaign” that=20 “addresses the reduction and prevention of abuse of = MDMA…among young=20 = people.”

An=20 unspecified amount of money will be appropriated to the Office of = National=20 Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) “to commission a drug test for = MDMA which=20 would meet the standards for the Federal=20 = Workplace.”

$1.5=20 million will be allocated for the National Institute on Drug Abuse = to=20 conduct research on MDMA and publish a public report no later than = January=20 1, 2003, which “evaluates the effects that MDMA use can have = on an=20 individual’s health,” and which documents “those = research findings with=20 respect to MDMA that are scientifically valid and identify the = medical=20 consequences on an individual’s = health.”

Communities that have passed = ordinances=20 “restricting rave clubs” and which have increased law = enforcement directed=20 toward Ecstasy offenses will receive priority in receiving grants = under=20 the Public Health Service Act.=20 =  

This = summer has=20 been busy with anti-Ecstasy legislation. If Governor George H. Ryan of = Illinois=20 signs HB126= (as he’s=20 expected to do) Illinois will enact one of the toughest anti-Ecstasy = laws in the=20 country. Under the Illinois bill, the possession of 15 MDMA (Ecstasy) = pills will=20 result in a mandatory minimum of 4 years in prison, and up to a maximum = of 15=20 years. The Alchemind Society’s Center for Cognitive Liberty & = Ethics (CCLE)=20 expects Governor Ryan to sign HB 126 any day now.

The = CCLE is=20 currently monitoring the progress the Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001 = (S1208) and=20 will be preparing a detailed analysis of the bill should it move = forward.=20

Resources:
For more information, visit the area of = the=20 CCLE’s Web site devoted to the Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001, http://www.alchemind.org/DLL/sb1208_index.htm, = which=20 includes, among other things: =

=

Senator Bob=20 Graham’s press release announcing the bill; =

the full=20 text of the bill along with continuous updates on its status;=20 =

CCLE summary=20 and analysis of the bill. =20 =


For more = information,=20 contact:
Richard Glen = Boire,=20 J.D.
Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics
E-mail: rgboire@cognitiveliberty.org=
Telephone=20 & Fax: 1-530-750-7912
Web site: http://www.cognitiveliberty.org= /=20

-B
 
"If we think them not = enlightened enough=20 to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not = to take=20 it from them but to inform their discretion by education" - Thomas = Jefferson=20
------=_NextPart_001_0011_01C1148E.889D3440-- ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1148E.889D3440-- From sfraves-return-69578-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 05:26:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6285 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 05:26:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6274 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 05:26:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:14:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Haskovec To: Becca Plevin cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] NRR: Grommeting kits? Any hardware store like Home Depot will have 'em. Grommets suck though, what you really want is these: http://www.gripclips.com/ dan On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Becca Plevin wrote: > Does anyone know where to get a grommeting kit? I need one with pretty > strong grommets for some decorations.... > > Sorry for the spam, list. > > Becca > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69579-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 05:54:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17719 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 05:54:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17706 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 05:54:54 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010724222800.00acbb00@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: gruvnkim@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:28:00 +0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: ".oO(groovinkim)Oo." In-Reply-To: <20010710180518.LPNJ12285.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.19 .143.8]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] why massives are fun - area 51 At 11:05 AM 7/10/01 -0700, leslie ayres wrote: >one of the parties that has combined both of those for me has been area 51. >i remember the first time i heard of area 51, i was in seattle (at a party >at the groovaliscious house, for those who remember that cool converted >theater) and my friends were all getting ready to drive down to "cali" >(where did that word come from?) for area 51. i think that was the year it >was at the richmond center, legendary, and i missed it. i miss the lish house! :( *cry* (sentimental in seattle) kim * experiencealighttrancenhancexplorevolorlovevolve * http://www.nwtekno.org * AIM gruvkim & ICQ 2388692 http://www.connectexpress.com/~groovinkim/aboutkim.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69580-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 06:20:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35233 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 06:20:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35223 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 06:20:56 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010724232501.0090c750@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: fraser_douglas@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:25:01 -0700 To: "Gabba Junkie" ,apollo@speakeasy.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Doug Fraser In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] the area 51/consumer drama well, I think if Harmony hadn't done the "ooh, the venue's a secret until the day of the party" BS, then we all wouldn't be so suspicious. That, to me, smacks of something fishy, or at least, stupid marketing BS. If Harmony had said on the flyers what the venue is, and then permits fell thru b/c of a screw-up, I would be less annoyed with the whole thing. I'd still be annoyed because things fell thru, but there wouldn't be this hunch that the venue/permits weren't straight or at least that some major incompetence went down. As for the "support the community" idea, un uh. This was a totally commercial event, not some low flying, escape the radar, party. Events like this are akin to rock concerts, and if the "rave scene" in general is to get any amount of respect from society at large, screw ups like this musn't happen. Something like this makes the above ground stuff look like a bunch of greedy incompetent businesspeople looking to rip off (mostly) teenagers - if I were a politician, I certainly wouldn't want to have to deal with this sort of crap and whatever fallout that results. For some reason, I am now thinking of the movie "The Music Man" (is that the right title? "P is for Pool, da da da") As this was a -commercial- event, the promoters do have a responsibility, not just in the business sense, to really make up for it in some manner. What happens when a rock concert goes bad? Who takes the hit for reimbursing the audience for unused tickets, etc? Commercial events are supposed to be guaranteed in some manner. Howling bob was harsh in his comments, but I agree with him in general. As for me, I wasn't going, until some people I know in Santa Cruz and some LA folks I'd like to have met were going to come up. Needless to say, they didn't. Fortunately, I was able to sell my ticket (for exactly what it cost, I'm not a scalper) down at Skills. As for apollo not having a grasp of the situation, i think you aren't understanding something. You're right in that if the flyer says "18+, all night", that's what it should be. But in this day and age of overhyped crap and excessive marketing BS, to automatically believe whatever is advertised is naive (sorry). One way I gauge how a commercial party may go / turn out to be is the level of marketing performed and how excessive it seems to be. Area 51 was excessive in all sorts of areas and I was really turned off by it. First and foremost, commercial promoters have to be competent businesspeople. That is their primary responsiblity. And Harmony failed in that regard as an aside, has any FeelGood event ever fallen apart so badly? Doug At 04:24 AM 07/25/2001 +0000, Gabba Junkie wrote: >I don't think apollo has a very strong grasp of the situation here....the >party flier promised certain things...i.e. a venue, 300,000 square feet, 18+ >among other things...now thinking as a consumer if you buy a bag of chips >and the outside says barbecue but when you get them home their sour cream >its the consumer's fault? On the contrary i think we did our part as >consumers and accepting the promoters promises. the fact that there was no >venue on the info line is irrelavant because one was promised...hell it >wasnt on the flier either...now i live in sac so i ddin't hear anything >about the venue drama...but acting as a consumer i was cheated...plain and >simple i didnt recieve what was promised to me...and in my mind thats the >bottom line and MORE then enough reason to boycott future HARMONY >productions until they throw enough successful raves to gain my respect. > >Kevin Cave >AIM XXPINCUSHIONXX > > > > > >>From: "Apollo" >>Reply-To: >>To: "Jahsh" >>CC: >>Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, >>and a letter to greg) >>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:25:07 -0700 >> >> >> >>Jahsh wrote: >> >> > You all are so pissed off at what happen, Where were you when >> > there was NO info on the location of the event? Where were you when you >> > should have raised questions about a rave going all night in SF and >>being >> > all ages? NO you all just purchased your tickets without thinking like a >> > consumer. If I buy something that sucks and I didn't do my research on >>it, >> > alot of the times, I blame myself. I'll bitch about it and tell others >>not >> > to buy their product, but i don't go back to the manufacture and ask for >> > my money back. As my grandfather once said, "everybody lies". >> > >> > There is no doubt that area51 crew did wrong, but all you can do is act >> > like better consumers in the future, and make this community better >> > informed in the future. >> >>I have repeatedly said the same things you said. All of my posts have >>consistently called for consumer awareness and self-policing in our >>community. And I'm not asking for my money back, am I? I'm asking for the >>kind of honesty and respect from promoters that we require from ourselves >>in >>this community. Period. >> >>Apollo _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69581-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 06:55:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53888 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 06:55:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53878 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 06:55:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.216.88] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: kandymanz@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:54:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 06:54:49.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2513D70:01C114D6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Citys who pass "anti rave laws" get federal funding in new Anti Ecstasy Bill "the Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001" that really says it all, huh? not "Ecstasy Abatement" or "Ecstasy Control"..."Ecstacy Prevention." Freudian slip of the year, i'd say. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69582-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 07:00:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56326 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 07:00:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56315 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 07:00:23 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.35] Message-Id: <20010725070017.1E88E36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) I totally wouldn't of posted this here, but it's short, Fun, & easy, & painless! ------------------------------------------------------ >1- What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? My Favorite all time Flavor is GRAPE!!! Yum! >2- Favorite Music? I Love all Electronic; the harder, the yummier (ie.) Jungle, Techno) But I Love Breakbeats 'cause it's totally similiar to Freestyle & I Love Freestyle! Don't even get me started on Happy HardCore! Yummy 8P >3- Hair Color? My hair's like auburninsh/ blond kinda dealie, but I swear, until I start totally workin' again, I wanna make my hair TEAL! >4- Pets? I have 2 Cats....My Lovable Alien Cat Pheobe & The Bitchy Princess Buffy! @ 1 point, I did have 13 Cats in my house & I Loved them all!! =( >5- Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! Really Way out there! Well, I'm a pyro!! I Love Burning thing & I Love Fire!!! I Love Campfires & BBQs!! But I wouldn't burn a building down w/o perrmissioin! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69583-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 07:14:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64229 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 07:14:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64218 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 07:14:03 -0000 From: PLURprincess1@aol.com Message-ID: <127.1eb1ddf.288fcba7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:13:43 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_127.1eb1ddf.288fcba7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10530 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Me or the scene...I had to go... --part1_127.1eb1ddf.288fcba7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey fellow ravers... I just wanted to end my conection with a letter....I have been in the scene for a number of years....4 to be exact.....but i have been interested in it for 8...I have seen a lot of things in the years of my raving, and lately i started to not enjoy it anymore....I went to my last party in Golden Gate Park in early June, Skillz of course, and almost got into a fight with some E-TARDS!!!! The scene has in my opinion gone to sh*&s....I used to have a great time at parties, meeting people, and dancing the night away....Now, its changed....People are different....The scene is different...My last piece of advice to any new comer, is, Have a great time, dont let the drugs become your party....let the music be the reason for your party...the djs...your friends....have a great time while it lasts!!!! and one last thing...UNDERGROUND IS THE WAY TO GO!!!!! Have Fun Kids!!! -Justine- --part1_127.1eb1ddf.288fcba7_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69584-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 07:41:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72079 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 07:41:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72068 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 07:41:23 -0000 From: Klatuu02@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.17a7e545.288fd216@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:41:10 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7f.17a7e545.288fd216_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] sell a glowstick go to prison --part1_7f.17a7e545.288fd216_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > "Sell a Glowstick, Go To Prison" by Janelle Brown >=20 > Witness the humble glowstick. This neon yellow > tube of light, testament to the wonders of the > nontoxic chemical reaction, is popular at Britney > Spears concerts, Mardi Gras parades and summer > street fairs. But because glowsticks are also > commonly found at raves, where partiers wave them > about during their dance-floor kinetics, they have > become a curious casualty of the government's war > on drugs. >=20 > An injunction handed down against a group of New > Orleans party promoters last Wednesday charges > that glowsticks -- along with pacifiers, Vicks > VapoRub and dust masks -- are "drug > paraphernalia," and their presence on a dance > floor is a sign that illegal drug activity is > taking place. >=20 > In response, the promoters have banned glowsticks > from their clubs, along with chill rooms, where > partyers might go to catch their breath (or where > they might, in the eyes of the authorities, go to > take their drugs), and massage tables (where God > knows what nefarious activities might occur). The > injunction seems to imply that if you take away > the chill rooms and the glowsticks, you take away > the drugs. >=20 > It's bafflingly backward logic, but then again, > the federal government's war on drugs hasn't > always made sense. >=20 > The demonization of the cheery little glowstick is > the harbinger of a topsy-turvy new front in that > increasingly bizarre conflict. As teens continue > to gobble ecstasy, ketamine, speed and GHB at > frightening rates, everything and everyone is > vulnerable. While the owners of venues like > nightclubs where patrons do illegal acts have > always been subject to crackdowns, grim > prosecutors are now targeting dance clubs with > leaky old "crack house" laws from the 1980s, and > threatening owners and promoters with decades in > prison. >=20 > In this new era, even promoters who try to stop > drug use are vulnerable. Call the cops on a > drug-using patron and you've marked yourself as > the owner of a drug operation. Hire an ambulance > as a precaution against overdoses, or let a > harm-reduction group like DanceSafe distribute > literature, and you've done the same thing. >=20 > If the New Orleans case should set a national > standard, not only will ravers lose their > glowsticks, but the entire dance community could > potentially lose its clubs, concert halls and > parties -- and, in the most drastic cases, ravers > could lose their lives. >=20 > "The government is engaged in an outright war on > nightclubs, which they hope will make it appear > that they are doing something to stop the drug > epidemic," says Will Patterson, who runs the > Electronic Music Defense and Education Fund, which > raised $50,000 for the New Orleans promoters' > defense. "But if you take away the clubs, [drug > users] just go somewhere [else]. The nightclubs > are at least trying to combat drug use in every > way they can." >=20 > - - - - - - - - - - - - >=20 > "Lately raves are just a venue for drug purchases. > They are no more than analogous to a crack house, > in which you go buy the drugs and go out the back > door. Although there's music being played, and the > people at the raves are saying, 'I come here for > the music,' drugs are predominant in these rave > clubs. And it's just a mix of drugs and music, and > it's become a venue for drug purchases." >=20 > -- Quote from a promotional video distributed by > the DEA >=20 > By any measure, the government's war on drugs has > been a failure. Despite the fact that the > government spent $17.9 billion battling drugs last > year -- and arrested 1,532,200 people on drug > charges the year before -- the number of young > adult drug users has not significantly changed > since it hit a peak in 1997, according to the > annual Monitoring the Future study. Fifty-four > percent of all high school seniors have done > drugs, and the drugs they are doing are harder. > According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, > 8.2 percent of all high school seniors did MDMA, > or ecstasy, in 2000 (up from 5.6 percent the year > before). Drugs like GHB (a liquid that mildly > mimics the floaty, euphoric sensation of ecstasy) > and ketamine (an animal tranquilizer that, when > snorted, sends the user into a hallucinatory state > like catatonia), which once were used primarily by > New Agers seeking psychedelic epiphanies, are also > on the rise among young adults and teens. >=20 > And these harder drugs can be dangerous. More than > 2,850 people were admitted to hospitals for what > were termed "ecstasy overdoses" in 1999, according > to the Drug Abuse Warning Network. And although > DAWN reports that the number of deaths from drugs > like ketamine, ecstasy and GHB was relatively > small between 1994 and 1998 (12 died from GHB, 47 > from ketamine, 27 from ecstasy), that data is > several years old. The DanceSafe organization now > cites at least 100 ecstasy-related deaths. The > vast majority of these, however, were not > overdoses but the result of becoming overheated on > the dance floor or ingesting pills sold as ecstasy > that were actually dangerous substances like DXM, > a cough suppressant that can cause overheating if > taken in large quantities, and the stimulant PMA. >=20 > The National Institute on Drug Abuse calls these > "club drugs," though users, of course, can do them > just about anywhere. Accordingly, the government > has brought its drug war to the clubs themselves. > While state and local authorities have been > cracking down on raves and all-night dance clubs > for almost a decade across the country, the > national hysteria over teens and ecstasy has > brought the battle to a fever pitch. Federal > authorities are now stepping in, and the new front > lines are in New Orleans and Panama City Beach, > Fla. >=20 > When the New Orleans promoters were indicted in > January, partyers and promoters across the country > sat up and paid attention. Robert Brunet, Brian > Brunet and James ("Donnie") Estopinal were > partners in New Orleans' most popular all-night > dance party, Freebass, at the State Palace Theater > dance club. Every weekend, Freebass would fly in > the world's top DJs to play for thousands of > ecstatic dancers -- just like dozens, if not > hundreds, of other clubs and parties across the > United States. >=20 > Undercover cops from the Drug Enforcement > Administration and the New Orleans Police > Department infiltrated the parties; finding that > some attendees were doing drugs, the U.S. district > attorney in New Orleans drew up charges against > the promoters. This, in itself, was not unusual -- > promoters have skirmished with authorities for > years -- but the law under which the three were > eventually indicted offered a frightening new > twist. Federal authorities were using a musty, > long-forgotten law from 1986, the "crack-house > statute," which was originally written to attack > the proprietors of havens for crack cocaine. > Although the Brunets and Estopinal had not > personally sold any drugs at their parties, they > were charged with "knowingly and intentionally" > running a club where people used drugs. >=20 > The punishment? A possible 20 years in prison, and > potentially millions of dollars in fines. >=20 > The ramifications were far-reaching. If the > Brunets and Estopinal were found guilty of running > a 21st century crack house, then every promoter > who threw a club, party or similar event where > attendees did drugs could be found similarly > liable. Other than the occasional Amy Grant > concert, are there any music events where you > can't find attendees who are doing drugs of some > sort? The indictment was a shot fired across the > bow of the entire dance music industry. >=20 > "The government has this crazy notion that, > somehow or another, a promoter should be held > criminally responsible as a drug offender because > of what people in the audience may do," said > Arthur Lemann III, the lawyer for Brian Brunet. > "It's a lot like arresting the usher because > Pavarotti stabs the fat lady at the end of the > opera." >=20 > The New Orleans promoters faced a legal ordeal > that could take years. It could cost them millions > and still land them in jail. On Wednesday, the > three promoters accepted a plea bargain; their > company, Barbecue Inc. (rather than the > individuals themselves), would plead guilty to one > count of operating a crack house, and the > corporation would pay a $100,000 fine. The > promoters would not have to serve any jail time. > But the settlement also included an injunction > that forbade the presence of glowsticks, Vicks > VapoRub, masks, pacifiers, massage tables and > chill rooms at future parties. (Partyers rub the > Vicks under their noses for an additional buzz; > the pacifiers are used to stop tripping dancers > from grinding their teeth or simply as a fashion > accessory; dust masks are for fashion, to enhance > the effects of the Vicks -- and sometimes just to > keep dance-floor dust out of their system.) >=20 > Lemann calls the plea bargain a "face-saving > masquerade" to hide the fact that the government > didn't have a strong case; and the deal was > certainly a personal victory for the promoters, > who no longer face spending the rest of their > lives in jail. But the fact remains that a company > that throws late-night parties and sells > glowsticks was found guilty of running a crack > house; and that decision could still spell > disaster for the nation's other clubs. (Estopinal > did not accept the plea bargain; and although he > has not been personally reindicted, it remains a > possibility that he could still go to trial.) >=20 > "It is a bad precedent," says University of > Tennessee law professor Glenn Reynolds, who > consulted on a legal brief for the defendants. > "Even if the charges are bogus, the government > proved that they can extort a plea agreement, > because any rational [promoter] faced with the > threat of going to jail for 25 years is going to > agree to a plea bargain like this that makes it > all go away. But it's extortion, not justice." >=20 > Within months of the New Orleans indictment, > prosecutors in Panama City Beach, Fla., indicted > promoters of a popular club called Club La Vela, > home to MTV's spring break bootyfests and the > nation's largest nightclub, under crack-house laws > as well. In Florida, the war against raves is > already several years old: In 1997, state > officials passed a bill that made it illegal for > clubs or restaurants that sold liquor to stay open > past 2 a.m. Two years later, the state police > instituted "Operation Heat Rave," raiding 57 clubs > with the intent of shutting them down if they > found any evidence of drug use. Club La Vela, the > most visible club in Florida, became the > unfortunate locus of the authorities' ire; at one > news conference, Panama City Beach Police Chief > J.B. Holloway went so far as to accuse the club's > owners of "raising [underage patrons] to come back > and buy their drugs later." >=20 > Club La Vela was raided in early 2000, and police > turned up a variety of drugs -- although they > found no evidence that the owners themselves were > selling illegal substances. On May 5, 2001, Club > La Vela owners Patrick and Thorston Pfeffer were > slapped with an indictment for allowing drug > trafficking at their club. Like the New Orleans > case, a federal grand jury indicted the nightclub > owners under the crack-house statute; unlike the > New Orleans case, the government also seized the > assets of Club La Vela and forbade the owners from > leaving the state. (Club La Vela's owners, in > turn, are suing the local law enforcement agencies > for defamation and depriving them of their right > to public assembly.) The case is set to go to > trial in July. >=20 > Meanwhile, the crack-house gambit gains momentum > in prosecutors' offices across the country. In > Chicago, where several clubs have already been > shut down after hosting raves, Mayor Richard Daley > sought a local twist on the approach that would > mandate six months in jail for anyone who allowed > drug sales on his or her property. As Daley said > at a press conference in March, "The people who > run rave parties -- or own the rooms where they > take place -- know exactly what's going on. But > the city does not have sufficient powers to hold > them responsible." The ordinance passed in early > May. >=20 > - - - - - - - - - - - - >=20 > There is a strategic logic to the government's war > on glowsticks and pacifiers. For several years, > federal drug authorities have been conducting a > P.R. campaign that labels these toys as "drug > paraphernalia" that will help identify that drugs > are being taken. "What they've done is establish > the beginning of a legal paper trail to > substantiate their claims" and make it easier for > authorities to target nightclubs, says Patterson > of the Electronic Music Defense and Education > Fund. "Within a month of the indictment in New > Orleans, a lot of major nightclubs had already > stopped selling glowsticks." >=20 > But while a few candy ravers might be upset at > losing their glowsticks, there's a deadlier side > to the new crackdown. A much more dangerous loss > to club kids is the "chill room," which the New > Orleans case also identified as an accouterment of > drug use in its list of paraphernalia banned from > Barbecue Inc.'s parties. A number of other > seemingly innocuous club practices -- like having > ambulances present, featuring booths of > harm-reduction groups like DanceSafe on the > premises or even pumping in extra air > conditioning -- are being targeted by authorities > as well. >=20 > The dance music community is not blind to the fact > that drugs are a problem at raves; as the rave > scene has grown, it has given birth to > organizations that promote responsible clubbing. > The most prominent is DanceSafe, a two-year-old > Oakland, Calif., nonprofit founded by theology > grad student Emanuel Sferios. Hundreds of > DanceSafe volunteers, in 24 chapters around the > globe, spend their weekends visiting raves and > dispensing information about safe drug > consumption. Besides providing practical party > tips -- reminding kids to drink water, chill out > and avoid overheating -- volunteers also perform > on-the-spot tests of ecstasy tablets to ensure > that what the ravers are consuming is actually > MDMA rather than a potentially lethal concoction > like DXM or PMA. >=20 > The idea is similar to a needle-exchange program: > The kids are going to take the pills anyway, so > let's make sure that they do it safely. Thus far, > DanceSafe has received support from the local > police in the cities where it has chapters. As of > yet, no volunteer or raver has been arrested for > using the service, thanks to amnesty arrangements > with police. According to Sferios, the program has > been effective. Although the evidence is still > mostly observational, he says, "when people start > to expect us and our presence becomes common, the > number of fake pills declines. If you do a > particular party every time, or an event location > every time, you'll start to see less fake pills, > because the dealers with the fake pills learn they > aren't going to get away with it." >=20 > DanceSafe's growing visibility in the rave > community has also brought some unexpected > challenges. According to Sferios, some savvy drug > dealers have learned they can fool the on-site > testing kits by putting a tiny amount of MDMA into > an otherwise fake pill. (The testing kits can > determine only whether a pill contains any > ecstasy, not a detailed analysis of its chemical > makeup.) "The vast majority of pills with MDMA are > still pure," says Sferios, "but we are seeing ones > now that are conscious efforts to fool the kits. > It's very disturbing." >=20 > Cunning drug dealers, however, are the least of > DanceSafe's problems. Although DanceSafe gets > plenty of support from local police, the federal > government is a different matter, and the group is > becoming an unintentional victim of the crackdown > on nightclubs. >=20 > When Eddie Jordan, the New Orleans district > attorney, introduced the charges against the > Freebass promoters, he cited a list of evidence > that showed the promoters had been encouraging > drug use. That "evidence" included not only > glowsticks, bottled water and chill rooms, but the > presence of DanceSafe, which distributed > literature at the New Orleans parties and which, > according to Jordan, was a group that promoted > drug use. >=20 > DanceSafe has not yet suffered any legal > repercussions for its activities, but Jordan's > allegations have had a chilling effect on its > activities. Promoters are now afraid to let > DanceSafe into their clubs, lest the group's > presence -- like that of glowsticks -- be used as > evidence against them. "In some cities, promoters > that were letting us into their parties have > stopped, because of the New Orleans case," says > Sferios, noting several parties in the San > Francisco Bay Area at which his group's presence > was prohibited. "The federal emphasis on ecstasy > has affected us by frightening promoters into > taking irrational and dangerous stances on this > issue. Basically, it's the ostrich syndrome, and > it's inhibiting our efforts." >=20 > Patterson describes the dilemma now facing > promoters who want to work with DanceSafe: "The > government has chosen the rave scene to wage their > war against drugs, and as a promoter I don't know > what decision I'd make. On one side you've got > young people who want to participate in education > about drugs, but by the very act of engaging in > that education process they may be putting the > promoter at risk of legal problems." >=20 > But DanceSafe's raison d'=EAtre is not merely to > teach ravers how to be safe, but to teach clubs > and promoters to provide what Sferios calls "safe > settings." Much of it is common-sense stuff: free > drinking water, chill rooms where overheating > dancers can cool off, air conditioning and, for > the largest events, on-duty medics or readily > available emergency medical services. > Unfortunately, the federal crackdown on nightclubs > means that clubs that do provide these kinds of > safety measures are essentially calling attention > to themselves as drug havens. >=20 > Explains Reynolds, "What has always been regarded > as responsible behavior is now going to be > regarded as [promotion] of dangerous behavior. As > a result they'll do things that are dangerous to > patrons to protect themselves." >=20 > Club La Vela, for example, believes that its > diligence in battling drugs was ultimately used as > evidence against it. Says Luke Lirot, the attorney > representing Thorston Pfeffer: "Club La Vela had a > zero drug-tolerance policy and would call the > police anytime they caught anyone with any > substance. The police were upset because of all > the calls. But clubs without all those calls of > service aren't ferreting out all the drug use. > Instead of being critical of this practice, they > should have been commended." >=20 > Another major nightclub to learn this difficult > lesson was Twilo, in New York's Chelsea district, > which in 1998 began a long and protracted battle > against city authorities, which accused it of > being a drugstore for kiddie ravers. (According to > Sferios, Twilo was a perfect example of a "safe > settings" nightclub -- it provided ample water, > pumped cool air onto its dance floor and even > provided a private ambulance in case of overdoses > or other emergencies.) Unfortunately, city > authorities cited that ambulance as proof that the > club was a drug den. (According to the New York > Times, the city also alleged that Fire Department > officials who answered a 911 call were blocked > from entering the club to treat three hidden > patrons who had overdosed on drugs.) Although the > city's first attempt to remove Twilo's cabaret > license was initially rebuffed by an appeals court > as being "arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable," > that decision was ultimately overturned by the > state's highest court; Twilo is now closed. >=20 > "Twilo was probably the safest place in > Manhattan -- if something happened, within 30 > seconds you would be in the hands of a licensed > EMS technician and paramedic in a full-service > ambulance," says Mike Bindra, executive producer > of Twilo. "The city used that to demonize us. >=20 > "We were using the same service the New York > Yankees use! Why is it a state law that an > ambulance must be present at a football game, or > at a Metallica concert at Madison Square Garden, > but when it comes to dance culture and a nightclub > you must be using it to smuggle drugs? It's like > the Salem witch hunt." >=20 > - - - - - - - - - - - - >=20 > The list of clubs and promoters that have faced > trouble with authorities goes on and on. In New > York, the Tunnel and Limelight have been fighting > similar battles with city authorities. Rave > promoters in San Diego and Humboldt County, > Calif., have had their permits yanked. In San > Francisco, nightclub institutions like 1015 Folsom > and the End Up have battled closure for years. And > once the nightclubs shut down, new ones rarely > open in their place: Many cities, including New > York and San Francisco, have instituted > moratoriums (official and unofficial) on any new > cabaret licenses or late-night dance licenses. The > net effect is a declining pool of legal venues for > raves, parties, concerts and other dance events. >=20 > Some promoters still hope that if they can get the > local authorities on their side, they will avoid > federal scrutiny. "I don't think the [crack-house > cases] are affecting me, or anyone else in > Southern California, because the people I work > with in law enforcement are stellar," says Philip > Blaine, owner of KingFish entertainment in Los > Angeles. "Here they have a concern for the public > well-being -- they understand that kids will go > out at night, and would rather have them going to > a place that's planned and put together than go > under a city bridge and put on a boombox where if > they get hurt no one will find them until Monday, > when their bodies are decaying." >=20 > In San Francisco, too, the community is > effectively fighting back. In the late 1990s, many > of the city's late-night dance clubs -- including > Trocadero, Club DV8 and VSF -- lost their permits, > thanks to drug and noise complaints and a > zero-tolerance attitude on the part of local > officials. In July 1999, a group of local party > promoters organized the San Francisco Late Night > Coalition, a political-action committee dedicated > to keeping the city's night life alive. Thanks to > extensive lobbying and outreach with both > nightclub owners and local officials, the group > has successfully saved many of the city's > remaining dance venues. >=20 > These promoters and others say that the most naive > hope of the federal crackdown on nightclubs is > that if you remove the venue, you will remove the > problem. Even if there are no official places to > dance, wave glowsticks and hang out in chill > rooms, that doesn't mean fans of electronic music > won't continue to dance and do drugs. Instead, the > electronic music scene will simply go underground > for places to party. Nothing motivates a music > subculture more than the potential to defy > authority. >=20 > "If they shut down every rave and nightclub and > place of public assembly in the country, nothing > will happen except that the dangers of drug intake > will go underground, and people who make bad > choices will pay the ultimate price," says Lirot, > who is battling the Club La Vela case. "Whereas in > the alternate settings, smart people take > precautions and deal with problems professionally > and safely and in a medically secure fashion. > Chasing things underground is never a good idea -- > although society thinks they benefit in the short > term, they will end up paying for it in the long > term." --part1_7f.17a7e545.288fd216_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69585-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 08:10:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82738 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 08:10:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82719 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 08:10:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [32.100.71.168] From: "Deeze williams" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:09:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 08:09:49.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D0194C0:01C114E1] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Are there any party goers in ARCAT humboldt? Ya you heard me I'm going up to humboldt and I'm wondering if any cool people live up there. I'll be there from today until Saturday morning Kent Ya heard meh! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69586-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 08:52:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95833 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 08:52:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95822 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 08:52:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:51:54 -0700 From: Benjy Feen To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010725015154.N26988@pianosa.catch22.org> Mail-Followup-To: Benjy Feen , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <18.fc62c40.288f9fee@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <18.fc62c40.288f9fee@aol.com>; from MoonChyld1@aol.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:07:10AM -0400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr: a lesson in racial stereotypes... On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:07:10AM -0400, MoonChyld1@aol.com wrote: > If you've seen/heard this before i'm sorry, but now only is it a good laugh, > but also a good lesson in closedmindedness.... > BE SURE TO READ IT TO THE END. THERE IS A MORAL TO THIS STORY. IT IS NOT A > JOKE. > For anyone who didn't see David Letterman's take on this: (And it's a true > story...) MoonChyld: It's really sweet of you to want to make other people's day brighter. I have an opinion about this stuff and I want to express it. If I offend you, lemme know. I don't want to be a bringer of crappiness into the world. -- What with all the recent posts regarding members of N'Sync being stuffed into bottles and arrested for throwing glowsticks at shady-ass promoters at hiphop massives, I thought folks might find this website useful: http://www.snopes.com I just went to that site and typed in the phrase "eddie murphy michael jordan". This is what I found: http://www.snopes2.com/spoons/legends/hitfloor.htm (Begin quote) Black male celebrities this legend has been told about include: Eddie Murphy, Reggie Jackson, Lionel Ritchie, Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, O.J. Simpson, Mean Joe Greene, Michael Jackson, Jesse Jackson, Lionel Hampton, Jackie Robinson, and Michael Jordan. The action happens in Las Vegas, Atlantic City, or New York City. Sometimes the Black man is alone in the elevator with the frightened woman, but in other tellings he is accompanied by a Black male companion or a couple of bodyguards. In a number of these tales, he shows up with an uncontrollable dog whose name we later find out is Lady. (End quote) I don't really like the story much; you can read the commentary on that webpage if you want to know why. But that's not why I wanted to debunk it. In the April 1997 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, a group of neuroscientists reported that people who habitually accepted written text as truth were "significantly" more likely to suffer emotional disorders as a result of repeated synaptic re-entrainment and destruction of neural pathways in the brain. Therefore: it's extremely important that you practice being less gullible, because ultimately it can damage your brain. And PLEASE tell others! Okay, that was completely untrue. I just lied to you. See how easy that was? Don't worry; being gullible doesn't cause brain damage. (It does, however, cause arthritis, rubella, and the Mexicali blues.) Question what you read, especially anything on the Internet. The Internet makes lying easy and fun, and the scariest part is the ease with which people will pick up compelling but untrue stories and broadcast them with the added weight of whatever credibility they might still have after bombarding all their friends with last month's petition to end babysmashing [http://www.babysmasher.com] If you tell someone an untruth, say, that an event is fully permitted, and they find out that it isn't, they're going to be upset, want compensation, and want to know what else was untrue. This causes stress, depression, and acute carpal tunnel syndrome. People are also less likely to believe you in the future, and scientists at Nabisco have found that a history of personal integrity is a critical factor in people not talking shit about you on rave mailing lists and wanting their money back and stuff. Worse, if you believe things which aren't true, your ideas about reality are distorted -- they aren't based on how the world really works. If I tell someone that Eddie Murphy and Michael Jordan think hysterical racist white women with no knowledge of basketball and who've never seen Beverly Hills Cop are worthy of praise and cash payouts, they're in danger of believing that it's okay to be terrified of black men. Which is not okay, because as the great master Lao-Tze said, Fear leads to anger Anger leads to hate Hate leads to suffering. (Lao-Tze didn't say that stuff. Yoda did. But I figured people might believe it more if I said a famous old Chinese dude said it. And Lao-Tze isn't real either. It never ends, does it? Sorry, I digress.) Don't blindly believe what you're told, especially things you WANT to be true because they support your existing lifestyle, or because they're exciting or seem to come from an authority, or because the alternative is too scary to consider. Get out of the habit of putting trust in ideas just because they're there. Think, read, compare, discuss, doubt. Unquestioning trust is for sheep. Sheep spend their lives getting pushed around and fucked. You don't want to be a sheep, lemme tell ya. (Well, maybe some people do, but that's a whole different mailing list.) Now, if sheep had flamethrowers, they might not be so easily controlled. On the Internet, you definitely need a flamethrower. Let reason be your flamethrower. Spritz the Napalm of Truth onto any idea that looks like it might be flammable. Okay, ummm, I've totally lost control of this metaphor now, so I'll stop here. Sorry, it's late and I'm still a bit cracked from the weekend and I've been setting up server systems all day. Linux and sleep deprivation: Digital candyflipping. Anyway, it goes without saying that I might just be fucking with you. Don't worry -- you can trust me. After all, I'm a congressman. -- Benjy Feen benjy(AT)feen.com http://www.monkeybagel.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69587-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 09:07:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1766 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 09:07:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1756 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 09:07:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:07:13 -0700 (PDT) From: giuki X-X-Sender: To: DJ Howlin' Bob Cc: , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Citys who pass "anti rave laws" get federal funding in new Anti Ecstasy Bill On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, DJ Howlin' Bob wrote: >"the Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001" > >that really says it all, huh? not "Ecstasy Abatement" or "Ecstasy >Control"..."Ecstacy Prevention." Freudian slip of the year, i'd say. freudian slip? i wouldn't say so. the gov't (and everyone else) is well aware of the intentions of this bill. the whole drug war is about prevention, not "abatement" or "control". as far as this bill is concerned, i urge everyone to call your senators (which would be Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer for us californians) and explain to them your opposition to this bill. and if you only call one senator, call Diane Feinstein because she is on the judiciary committe, which is currently reviewing the bill. if this bill passes, we're going to see many more anti-rave laws from cities that don't care one way or the other about raves but are just trying to improve their federal funding status. saying that you flat out oppose the drug war might get you ignored by some people though, so i'd recommend focusing on your opposition to the "cities who pass anti-rave laws get priority funding" part of the bill. if we can't defeat the whole bill, we at least need to remove that provision from it. explain how it unfairly targets our culture by encouraging cities to pass laws that wipe out our music rather than putting their effort into wiping out ecstasy -- just like jazz clubs were unfairly targeted in the attempts to get rid of alcohol during the prohibition (excuse me if i messed up the metaphor.. my 1920's history is pretty rusty). note: i'm not for wiping out ecstasy. i think the whole drug war is a huge mistake in more ways than i care to list. but i think this bill is going to pass into law whether we do something or not, and i'd rather have raves with less ecstasy than no raves at all. some people might even say raves with less ecstasy is a good thing :) gary -- giuki@attglobal.net "The phrase 'just say no' is as effective in preventing drug abuse as saying 'have a nice day' is in treating clinical depression." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69588-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 09:55:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43101 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 09:55:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43075 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 09:55:25 -0000 Message-ID: <005901c114ed$af587860$0206a8c0@josh> From: "Josh.Illion" To: , "sfraves" , "sacraves" , , Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:39:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C114B2.FC18C320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Attention: Promoters, Radio Jockeys, Streaming Audio Hosts, Club/Pub/Bar Owners ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C114B2.FC18C320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ElysiumMusicNorthernCaliforniaShowcase September13 - September23, 2001 I am trying to book up our roster for this week. Two of our out of town = DJ's; Emotion of Calgary Canada and Lee Foster of England will be in = town. We are looking for Clubs, Parties, Pubs, Bars, Streaming radio = Shows, FM, AM, any thing. Radio shows we do for free of course, other = gigs we can work with you to help find a price that works for you. You = can check out some of our DJ's audio @ http://www.elysiumusic.com Within = the next week we will be sending our promotion flyer to press. People = interested in having us preform w/a plug and logo on our flyer should = contact me a.s.a.p. The dates below are confirmed and many other are = still in the works. If you want to be one of the few to host some of = these amazing DJ's at your event then let me know ;) Kindest Regards, Dates wanting to fill: Thursday, September 13th Sunday, September 16th Tuesday, September 18th Wednesday, September 19th Thursday, September 20th Saturday, September 22nd *** Only weekend end day left!!! Note: The DJ's on our roster can play on the dates below if they are not = listed for an event that day!!! ELYSIUM MUSIC ROSTER - read bio's @ elysiumusic.com Lee Foster, England UK (As of now in town from the 13th - 16th of = September) Emotion, Calgary Canada (As of now in town from the 13th - 22nd of = September) P.S. Emotion's audio on our site is from 99 she plays more of a tech = house/trance style now, a new mix should be up soon. Temp:o, Northern California=20 Dean Kroh, Northern California=20 Chuck G, Northern California=20 R.Z., Northern California=20 Headcase, Northern California=20 Limacon, Santa Cruz (Live PA) Saturday, September 15th 2001 Colossal Music Festival 2001. Manteca, California.=20 Lee Foster, Emotion, Temp:o,=20 Dean Kroh, Headcase, Limacon Monday, September 17th 2001 KDVS 90.3FM Davis, California Emotion, Temp:o Friday, September 21st 2001 Beatific @ ClubSix San Francisco, California Emotion, Temp:o, Chuck G, Headcase Kindest regards, hope to meet and work with some of you Josh Illion - josh@elysiumusic.com / AIM - JoshIllion Executive Producer/Artist Management Elysium Music International http://www.elysiumusic.com Telephone/Fax: 1.877.504.2887 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C114B2.FC18C320-- From sfraves-return-69589-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 10:50:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59207 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 10:50:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59180 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 10:50:44 -0000 From: GIANNI3333@aol.com Message-ID: <27.18ca3d21.288ff830@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:23:44 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] **BSP** Where's Gianni this wek???? www.djgianni.com Hi everyone Gianni here, This week I'll be at: **WEDNESDAY JULY 25th** (((((((((((((((THUMP RADIO))))))))))) I'll be playing on Thump Radio from 3-5pm. I'm not sure if its a live broadcast or not but here's the info in case. www.thumpradio.com or 90.3fm KUSF if you live in San Francisco **WEDNESDAY JULY 25th** (((((((((((((((STEREOPHONIC))))))))))) WHOOOO HOOOOO!!!!!! This is always a blast hanging out with Keith. I can't wait!!! Also playing with me is Dave Shubek from Hawaii!!! I'll have FREE tapes for the first 50 people that ask. This will be a slammin night!! Residents: Keith Edwards, Skyscraper, guest. Progressive House, Trance, Techno 18+, $5. Cactus Club, 417 S. First St., San Jose. **WEDNESDAY JULY 25th** ((((((((((((((BrainChild Records Tour 2001)))))))))))) H-FOUNDATION a.k.a. HIPP-E & HALO, DAVID GARCIA, JOEY MAZZOLA, TOM SLIK, MADAME MERCURY, DJ DREW, MIKE SLIM, JAYSEN V, FINESSE and RECKLESS RYAN. I'll be playing from 10-11ish See you there!!! WHOOOOO HOOOOO! Location: Limelight @ 228 Castro Street (Downtown) Mt. View Cover: $15 at the door. Special event hours: Doors open at 7 p.m. - 2 a.m. Early arrival is highly recommended!!!18+ w/id to party | 21+ w/id to drink Tel: 1-800-561-1800 www.brainchildentertainment.com **FRIDAY JULY 27th** ((((((((((((((((((NIKITA))))))))))))) This is going to be another kick-ass session with: DaHool from Germany (creator of the world famous track "Meet her at the love parade"), Duane King from Club Ra in Las Vegas, Simon, Michael Anthony and many more!!! I'll be closing after DaHool from 4-6am. See you there!!! Info: 1015 Folsom @ 6th 9:30-6am free b4 10:15 21+ 415 267-0568 www.spundae.com Wherever you go please have a safe and fun weekend!!! Gianni :0) djgianni.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69590-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 12:36:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29948 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 12:36:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29937 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 12:36:25 -0000 From: "Sameer Parekh" To: , "Mike Migurski" , "leslie ayres" Cc: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:35:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) I recently skimmed through that National Drug Intelligence Center's report on "raves". The basic description of a "rave" they used is a party in which promoters exploit young kids. As much as we may say the NDIC is full of propoganda that is trying to shut us down, frankly, this description does appear to ring true very often. -s -----Original Message----- From: Apollo [mailto:apollo@speakeasy.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:46 PM To: Mike Migurski; leslie ayres Cc: DJ Howlin' Bob; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) Mike Migurski wrote: > A lot of people lost money, because they risked their cash on a party that > was presented as a sure bet. I think folks like Howlin' Bob have a right > to complain on this list, and if they use harsh words, then it just > underscores the magnitude of what went wrong. While I may not agree with > some of Bob's opinions, I certainly think he has a right to be pissed. I agree with you, Mike. These are commercial enterprises, and they are marketing to people, some very young, entertainment that costs a great deal in both expectations and dollars. When you take $40-$50 from people you better have your damn operations in place. Again, these are NOT underground events where the community participates in organizing and throwing them on a break even basis. I'm not as concerned for the promoters as I am for the kids. Someone must be their advocate in this. Someone must come forward and say: "You are accountable for the delivery of your advertised commercial party." And this is a family of dancers as well as DJs and promoters. If someone is feeling hurt, we should at least have the patience and compassion to listen, and then think creatively of ways in which this hurt can be prevented in future. Respect, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69591-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 14:11:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88458 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 14:11:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88404 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 14:11:42 -0000 Message-ID: <004c01c11514$ff3e80a0$9300510c@sjsu.edu> From: "n i c o" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:20:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP :: Fundamental :: 7.26.01 ((( tomorrow ))) !!! Tomorrow in the South Bay !!! ::: F u n d a m e n t a l ::: .beginning 7/26 and the last Thurs. each month. .two rooms . full bar . beautiful people. techouse.progressive.drum&bass.techno @Kleidon's * 152 Post (@ San Pedro), SJ 9pm - 2am * 21+ Nico Nonstop The Frank Phenomenon (LOL, that's not his real DJ name ;) ... and others --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69592-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 15:01:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36936 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 15:01:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36882 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 15:01:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Wed) The scum also rises. -- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69593-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 16:29:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16305 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 16:29:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16268 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 16:29:11 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:29:59 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves CC: sacraves , fresnoraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3078898200_37395" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Future Schedule! (bsp) --B_3078898200_37395 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable We=B9d like to invite those of you who haven=B9t been out to Future yet, to do so. We are excited about this weekly event and have been going strong for 1.5 years now!!!! We=B9ve made some improvements to our main room, in moving the dj booth and creating more space for dancing! Come out and support! Here's what we have going on at Future for the next few weeks....... Friday, July 27th G I R L P O W E R ! featuring.... K E N D R A F R E N C H D E N I S E aka D J D M E L A N I E D J E L Z ----------------- Friday, August 3rd G I A N N I M O R G A N ----------------- Friday, August 10th T H O M A S T R O U B L E U P H O N I C Coming Soon........ D O R A N (Crush Recordings, Los Angeles) P H I L S M A R T (Reachin=B9 Records, Australia) B R I A N S T I L L W A T E R (Undercurrent UK, Stellar Recordings) S T E V E P O R T E R (Fade, Hooj Choons, Lost Language Recordings) D : F U S E (Virgin, Perfecto, Niche, Funked Up Recordings) J A M E S N I C H E (Owner of Niche Recordings UK) oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I N T H E F U L L - B A R L O U N G E . . . . ::::::::: T H E I N D U S T R Y L O U N G E :::::::::: featuring... J O E L A N Z O N + special guest.... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D F U T U R E 375 First Street & Harrison in SF 18 & Over with valid ID Full-Bar Lounge for 21 and up! 9 pm - 2 am $10 before 10 pm $15 after 10 pm For more info, please call 415.281.0866 or http://www.globalparty.com --B_3078898200_37395-- From sfraves-return-69594-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 16:31:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19030 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 16:31:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19019 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 16:31:39 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:30:58 -0700 From: "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: Istyly@onebox.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 12.22.57.2 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (BSP) Hotel Trance Aug 4th Info Hello Everyone, Just a reminder HOtel Trance 4 is coming up on Saturday Aug 4th. This event will start at 10pm end 6am. We are using a fully permited venue located in the east bay near dublin and pleasanton. NO this is not one of those ani-rave city's and YES we already have the permits approved. Our permits allow 1000 persons occupancy and tickets are now on sale at Skills, F-8, Solid Grooves, Harmonics, Twilight Zone in Hayward and Sticky Vinyl in Vallejo. Tickets are 19 dollars pre-sale. We are using a health club as the venue transforming the huge basketball court into the main room and an upstairs arobics room as the second room. The club will be closed during our event so you will not be dancing next to lee priest; just in case any of you know who that is. anyways the venue is very big and clean with restrooms outside smoking area "no swimming allowed" and plenty of parking. We hope to see you there. OH and UPS lost about 100 tickets in the mail and we have the ticket numbers recorded so please only buy your tickets from a pre-sale location because we will not honer those ticket numbers at the door. Directions will be posted at 7am the day of the party so you'll have plenty of time to plan. Please party safe so we can leave a good impression to the police and venue owner. Room 1 Dj Ame 09:40-10:20pm J-Marr 10:20-11:00pm Keith Edwards 11:00-12:00am MOrgan 12:00-01:00am Gianni 01:00-02:00am Thomas Trouble 02:00-03:00am Tom Slik 03:00-04:00am Tracer 04:00-05:00am Ton:e 05:00-06:00am clapping&cherring 06:00-06:05am drive home safe 06:05..................... ROOM 2 time slots TBA Arial Cybana Charlie Tamim Dj Girlie Nina Prism One and Dj PM Istyly Info Lines (415) 820-3202 or (510) 496-6078 also peep out www.istylyproductions.com the site is alomost complete but it's up. --- Thanks! Please party and play safe. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69595-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 16:44:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35977 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 16:44:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35944 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 16:44:42 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: "Gabba Junkie" , , , "Doug Fraser" References: <3.0.5.32.20010724232501.0090c750@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:53:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 16:44:09.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[06B0B150:01C11529] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] the area 51/consumer drama I thought the funniest part of this whole thing is when they came up witht the guess the venue for tickets thing and there was no venue... So basicly we were all working for Harmony brainstorming places for them to hold there event. Thats just hella funny IMHO!!! Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Fraser" To: "Gabba Junkie" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] the area 51/consumer drama > > well, I think if Harmony hadn't done the "ooh, the venue's a secret until > the day of the party" BS, then we all wouldn't be so suspicious. That, to > me, smacks of something fishy, or at least, stupid marketing BS. > > If Harmony had said on the flyers what the venue is, and then permits > fell thru b/c of a screw-up, I would be less annoyed with the whole thing. > I'd still be annoyed because things fell thru, but there wouldn't be > this hunch that the venue/permits weren't straight or at least that some > major incompetence went down. > > As for the "support the community" idea, un uh. This was a totally > commercial event, not some low flying, escape the radar, party. > Events like this are akin to rock concerts, and if the "rave scene" in > general is to get any amount of respect from society at large, screw ups > like this musn't happen. Something like this makes the above ground > stuff look like a bunch of greedy incompetent businesspeople looking > to rip off (mostly) teenagers - if I were a politician, I certainly wouldn't > want to have to deal with this sort of crap and whatever fallout that > results. For some reason, I am now thinking of the movie "The Music Man" > (is that the right title? "P is for Pool, da da da") > > As this was a -commercial- event, the promoters do have a responsibility, > not just in the business sense, to really make up for it in some manner. > What happens when a rock concert goes bad? Who takes the hit for > reimbursing the audience for unused tickets, etc? Commercial events are > supposed to be guaranteed in some manner. > > Howling bob was harsh in his comments, but I agree with him in general. > > As for me, I wasn't going, until some people I know in Santa Cruz and > some LA folks I'd like to have met were going to come up. Needless to > say, they didn't. Fortunately, I was able to sell my ticket (for exactly > what it cost, I'm not a scalper) down at Skills. > > As for apollo not having a grasp of the situation, i think you aren't > understanding something. You're right in that if the flyer says "18+, > all night", that's what it should be. But in this day and age of > overhyped crap and excessive marketing BS, to automatically believe > whatever is advertised is naive (sorry). One way I gauge how a > commercial party may go / turn out to be is the level of marketing > performed and how excessive it seems to be. Area 51 was excessive > in all sorts of areas and I was really turned off by it. > > First and foremost, commercial promoters have to be competent businesspeople. > That is their primary responsiblity. And Harmony failed in that regard > > as an aside, has any FeelGood event ever fallen apart so badly? > > Doug > > > At 04:24 AM 07/25/2001 +0000, Gabba Junkie wrote: > >I don't think apollo has a very strong grasp of the situation here....the > >party flier promised certain things...i.e. a venue, 300,000 square feet, 18+ > >among other things...now thinking as a consumer if you buy a bag of chips > >and the outside says barbecue but when you get them home their sour cream > >its the consumer's fault? On the contrary i think we did our part as > >consumers and accepting the promoters promises. the fact that there was no > >venue on the info line is irrelavant because one was promised...hell it > >wasnt on the flier either...now i live in sac so i ddin't hear anything > >about the venue drama...but acting as a consumer i was cheated...plain and > >simple i didnt recieve what was promised to me...and in my mind thats the > >bottom line and MORE then enough reason to boycott future HARMONY > >productions until they throw enough successful raves to gain my respect. > > > >Kevin Cave > >AIM XXPINCUSHIONXX > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Apollo" > >>Reply-To: > >>To: "Jahsh" > >>CC: > >>Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, > >>and a letter to greg) > >>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:25:07 -0700 > >> > >> > >> > >>Jahsh wrote: > >> > >> > You all are so pissed off at what happen, Where were you when > >> > there was NO info on the location of the event? Where were you when you > >> > should have raised questions about a rave going all night in SF and > >>being > >> > all ages? NO you all just purchased your tickets without thinking like a > >> > consumer. If I buy something that sucks and I didn't do my research on > >>it, > >> > alot of the times, I blame myself. I'll bitch about it and tell others > >>not > >> > to buy their product, but i don't go back to the manufacture and ask for > >> > my money back. As my grandfather once said, "everybody lies". > >> > > >> > There is no doubt that area51 crew did wrong, but all you can do is act > >> > like better consumers in the future, and make this community better > >> > informed in the future. > >> > >>I have repeatedly said the same things you said. All of my posts have > >>consistently called for consumer awareness and self-policing in our > >>community. And I'm not asking for my money back, am I? I'm asking for the > >>kind of honesty and respect from promoters that we require from ourselves > >>in > >>this community. Period. > >> > >>Apollo > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69596-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 17:07:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66336 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 17:07:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66326 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 17:07:05 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <996080812.3b5efcac45484@imp.free.fr> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:06:52 +0200 (MEST) From: thieg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 208.25.178.207 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Sell a glowstick, go to prison Do you need this paraphernalia to enjoy music? http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2001/06/20/rave_feature/ ~thieg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69597-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 17:08:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68170 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 17:08:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68160 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 17:08:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725170840.8050.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristie Ruiz To: Istyly@onebox.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (BSP) Hotel Trance Aug 4th Info For those of you who don't take aerobics classes, these aerobics floors are built to absorb shock and protect your feets/shins/legs from all the pounding. This will make for a great & comfortable dance floor! --- "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" wrote: > Hello Everyone, Just a reminder HOtel Trance 4 is > coming up on Saturday Aug 4th. > This event will start at 10pm end 6am. > We are using a fully permited venue located in the > east bay near dublin and pleasanton. NO this is not > one of those ani-rave city's and YES we already have > the permits approved. Our permits allow 1000 persons > occupancy and tickets are now on sale at Skills, > F-8, Solid Grooves, Harmonics, Twilight Zone in > Hayward and Sticky Vinyl in Vallejo. Tickets are 19 > dollars pre-sale. We are using a health club as the > venue transforming the huge basketball court into > the main room and an upstairs arobics room as the > second room. > The club will be closed during our event so you will > not be dancing next to lee priest; just in case any > of you know who that is. > anyways the venue is very big and clean with > restrooms outside smoking area "no swimming allowed" > and plenty of parking. > We hope to see you there. > OH and UPS lost about 100 tickets in the mail and we > have the ticket numbers recorded so please only buy > your tickets from a pre-sale location because we > will not honer those ticket numbers at the door. > Directions will be posted at 7am the day of the > party so you'll have plenty of time to plan. Please > party safe so we can leave a good impression to the > police and venue owner. > > Room 1 > Dj Ame 09:40-10:20pm > J-Marr 10:20-11:00pm > Keith Edwards 11:00-12:00am > MOrgan 12:00-01:00am > Gianni 01:00-02:00am > Thomas Trouble 02:00-03:00am > Tom Slik 03:00-04:00am > Tracer 04:00-05:00am > Ton:e 05:00-06:00am > clapping&cherring 06:00-06:05am > drive home safe 06:05..................... > > ROOM 2 > time slots TBA > Arial Cybana > Charlie > Tamim > Dj Girlie > Nina > Prism One > and Dj PM > > Istyly Info Lines (415) 820-3202 or (510) 496-6078 > also peep out www.istylyproductions.com the site is > alomost complete but it's up. > --- > Thanks! Please party and play safe. > > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69598-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 17:08:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68671 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 17:08:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68640 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 17:08:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725170846.90022.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristie Ruiz To: Istyly@onebox.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] (BSP) Hotel Trance Aug 4th Info For those of you who don't take aerobics classes, these aerobics floors are built to absorb shock and protect your feets/shins/legs from all the pounding. This will make for a great & comfortable dance floor! --- "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" wrote: > Hello Everyone, Just a reminder HOtel Trance 4 is > coming up on Saturday Aug 4th. > This event will start at 10pm end 6am. > We are using a fully permited venue located in the > east bay near dublin and pleasanton. NO this is not > one of those ani-rave city's and YES we already have > the permits approved. Our permits allow 1000 persons > occupancy and tickets are now on sale at Skills, > F-8, Solid Grooves, Harmonics, Twilight Zone in > Hayward and Sticky Vinyl in Vallejo. Tickets are 19 > dollars pre-sale. We are using a health club as the > venue transforming the huge basketball court into > the main room and an upstairs arobics room as the > second room. > The club will be closed during our event so you will > not be dancing next to lee priest; just in case any > of you know who that is. > anyways the venue is very big and clean with > restrooms outside smoking area "no swimming allowed" > and plenty of parking. > We hope to see you there. > OH and UPS lost about 100 tickets in the mail and we > have the ticket numbers recorded so please only buy > your tickets from a pre-sale location because we > will not honer those ticket numbers at the door. > Directions will be posted at 7am the day of the > party so you'll have plenty of time to plan. Please > party safe so we can leave a good impression to the > police and venue owner. > > Room 1 > Dj Ame 09:40-10:20pm > J-Marr 10:20-11:00pm > Keith Edwards 11:00-12:00am > MOrgan 12:00-01:00am > Gianni 01:00-02:00am > Thomas Trouble 02:00-03:00am > Tom Slik 03:00-04:00am > Tracer 04:00-05:00am > Ton:e 05:00-06:00am > clapping&cherring 06:00-06:05am > drive home safe 06:05..................... > > ROOM 2 > time slots TBA > Arial Cybana > Charlie > Tamim > Dj Girlie > Nina > Prism One > and Dj PM > > Istyly Info Lines (415) 820-3202 or (510) 496-6078 > also peep out www.istylyproductions.com the site is > alomost complete but it's up. > --- > Thanks! Please party and play safe. > > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69599-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 17:12:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75360 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 17:12:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75348 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 17:12:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: giuki@attglobal.net Cc: kandymanz@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:11:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 17:11:55.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7DD9F50:01C1152C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Citys who pass "anti rave laws" get federal funding in new Anti Ecstasy Bill >On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, DJ Howlin' Bob wrote: > >"the Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001" > > > >that really says it all, huh? not "Ecstasy Abatement" or "Ecstasy > >Control"..."Ecstacy Prevention." Freudian slip of the year, i'd say. > >freudian slip? i wouldn't say so. the gov't (and everyone else) is >well aware of the intentions of this bill. the whole drug war is about >prevention, not "abatement" or "control". perhaps i was excessively subtle in my original post (that'd be a first, huh?)...my point is that, if you read the actual words, they can be taken to mean that the government doesn't want to control a *substance* called "Ecstasy"...they want to prevent people experiencing a *state* of ecstasy. struck me as both funny and as unintentionally revealing of the true motivation behind such acts. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69600-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 17:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97608 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 17:33:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97584 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 17:33:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725173307.37071.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jungle Bunny To: Bryan Oley , sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org, projectplur@topica.com In-Reply-To: <001401c114c9$4dd56fe0$01010101@kandyman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Citys who pass "anti rave laws" get federal funding in new Anti Ecstasy Bill Isn't that bribery essentially??? just a thought. --- Bryan Oley wrote: > > > > > http://www.alchemind.org/DLL/sb1208_summary_announcement.htm > > New Federal Anti-Ecstasy Bill Introduced > A Summary of S1208 the Ecstasy Prevention Act of > 2001 > In conjunction with a 2-day NIDA-directed Ecstasy > conference, Senator Bob Graham (D-Fla), on July 19, > 2001, introduced the "Ecstasy Prevention Act of > 2001." An initial analysis by the Alchemind > Society's Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics > (CCLE) shows that this new bill, while giving > lip-service to generating more scientific data about > the health consequences of MDMA (Ecstasy), directs > over 22 million dollars to increased law > enforcement, media propaganda, and the creation of a > new MDMA drug test. > > Senator Graham was one of the sponsors of the > Ecstasy Anti-Proliferation Act of 2000, which > substantially increased penalties associated with > certain federal Ecstasy offenses. Provisions in that > Act, which would have infringed on free speech, were > struck after the Alchemind Society's Center for > Cognitive Liberty & Ethics and other civil liberties > groups voiced objections. > > Under the newly introduced Ecstasy Prevention Act of > 2001: > > $15 million will be allocated "to assist > anti-Ecstasy law enforcement initiatives in high > intensity drug trafficking areas" and another $1 > million will be allocated to establish a federal > "task Force on Ecstasy/MDMA and Emerging Club Drugs" > which will report to President Bush and to the > Congress on how to improve national drug control > strategy with regard to Ecstasy. > > > $7 million will be allocated to a "national > youth anti-drug media campaign" that "addresses the > reduction and prevention of abuse of MDMA.among > young people." > > > An unspecified amount of money will be > appropriated to the Office of National Drug Control > Policy (ONDCP) "to commission a drug test for MDMA > which would meet the standards for the Federal > Workplace." > > > $1.5 million will be allocated for the National > Institute on Drug Abuse to conduct research on MDMA > and publish a public report no later than January 1, > 2003, which "evaluates the effects that MDMA use can > have on an individual's health," and which documents > "those research findings with respect to MDMA that > are scientifically valid and identify the medical > consequences on an individual's health." > > > Communities that have passed ordinances > "restricting rave clubs" and which have increased > law enforcement directed toward Ecstasy offenses > will receive priority in receiving grants under the > Public Health Service Act. > > > This summer has been busy with anti-Ecstasy > legislation. If Governor George H. Ryan of Illinois > signs HB126 (as he's expected to do) Illinois will > enact one of the toughest anti-Ecstasy laws in the > country. Under the Illinois bill, the possession of > 15 MDMA (Ecstasy) pills will result in a mandatory > minimum of 4 years in prison, and up to a maximum of > 15 years. The Alchemind Society's Center for > Cognitive Liberty & Ethics (CCLE) expects Governor > Ryan to sign HB 126 any day now. > > The CCLE is currently monitoring the progress the > Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001 (S1208) and will be > preparing a detailed analysis of the bill should it > move forward. > > Resources: > For more information, visit the area of the CCLE's > Web site devoted to the Ecstasy Prevention Act of > 2001, http://www.alchemind.org/DLL/sb1208_index.htm, > which includes, among other things: > > Senator Bob Graham's press release announcing > the bill; > > the full text of the bill along with continuous > updates on its status; > > CCLE summary and analysis of the bill. > > > > For more information, contact: > Richard Glen Boire, J.D. > Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics > E-mail: rgboire@cognitiveliberty.org > Telephone & Fax: 1-530-750-7912 > Web site: http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/ > > -B > > "If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise > their control with a wholesome discretion, the > remedy is not to take it from them but to inform > their discretion by education" - Thomas Jefferson > > ===== "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - That's my Bush __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69601-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 18:29:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53877 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 18:29:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53863 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 18:29:39 -0000 From: Yarrow220@aol.com Message-ID: <120.230b50b.28906a02@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:29:22 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] $15 RANT N RAVE/ FULLY PERMITTED ..preBSP OK everyone this show is going to sell out next week when tickets are available FULLY PERMITTED, and we will release the location before the day of the show....now that Area 51 has raised the eyebrow and anxof the entire community JK Sound and Stimulight lasers and lighting Good DJ's>Trance, House, Happy-Hardcore, and more ALL NIGHT>> 8 PM-AT LEAST 5 AM $15 dollar presales-thats right and I've been around long enough to know that parties weren't even $15 dollars 6-7 years ago...so go get them while they last. Outdoor area, chillout sounds and real restrooms Call 1-800-899-3737 for info Call 707-288-4854 to help --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69602-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 18:30:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55960 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 18:30:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55887 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 18:30:13 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.250.160.189] From: "Zixalus Alekander" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:29:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 18:29:35.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1517450:01C11537] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Parties, good, bad.....invisible? Hello boys 'n' girls, it's me again. Wow, I didn't go to Area 51, but perhaps it was a blessing as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't venture to lay fault anywhere, or say who is responsible for the events that DID occur, but obviously someone had to have f**ked up somewhere. 40+ bucks to me, the poor class, is a LOT of money. If I was going to a show that I'd paid that much money for, I would expect everything that I was promised. Regardless of whose fault losing the permits is, if you're unable to deliver what you promise, you should either a)refund money, or b)reschedule the event. If I'd paid 42 bucks to see Rush in concert, only to get there and find Hanson playing, obviously, since I've never ventured into the BUSINESS of throwing parties, and do so only out of enjoyment of pleasuring other people, (i.e., We've never charged money for our events), I can't honestly relate to the situation. However, ceratin moral fundamentals should be engaged into ANY public service or event. It's just a plain rule of life, that if you take money for something that you don't give to someone, you are cheating them in some way or another. I'm sure measures are being taken right now to right this wrong, and that is a good thing, I just had to mention something because of this whole flame war going on. Peace 'n' Love kiddies....and remember, The BEST shows are always under $20 ;) Much Love, Braden Hand a.k.a. Zix P.S. Ozby, where are ya man? "It is not when a good man dies that our society hurts, it is when we do not notice his passing" - Dahli Lama _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69603-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 18:36:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65901 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 18:36:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65885 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 18:36:45 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:35:51 -0700 From: "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: Istyly@onebox.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 12.22.57.2 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] That Virus hello everyone ok this is how that virus worked. The email you got said something like "hey its me Ive put together this document can you take a look at it" bla bla bla. well the virus was actully responding to that email. Anyone that responded to the email was placed on a mailing list named "cdpoolus01abandonedwreckords" so now people are responing to the list asking to be removed and its sending the request to everyone on the list. So if you get an email from that address listed about dont respond to it cause it will add your name to the list and then your done. I have already deleted over 1000 email that keep circulating so be carefull. Also if anyone on the list can help me get off that list please email me. thanks --- Thanks! Please party and play safe. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69604-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 18:54:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85814 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 18:54:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85796 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 18:54:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:39:52 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B5F1278.F435B66@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! Despite the rummers being circulated by the disrespectful faction of this 'industry', MEGGA-BUZZ IS DEFINITELY happening on SATURDAY SEPT. 1st for the 6th straight year in a row on Labor Day Weekend, as anticipated. MEGGA-BUZZ is more then a fantastic party to celebrate the anniversary of the BUZZ-LINE, but it's a part of the Bay Area Dance Culture TRADITION. It's an integrated part of our local culture, and the most established 'consistently occurring' annual Massive that northern california has ever known. Just like you KNOW you can pick up the phone and call the BUZZ-LINE @ 650-569-3300 (always for FREE) and get the scoop on parties and clubs happening that night... YOU KNOW that MEGGA-BUZZ is always celebrated on Labor Day Weekend to Showcase and REPRESENT the Bay Area sound and vibe to the rest of the world!!! Both Megga-Buzz & The Buzz-Line hold the record for being the 2 most consistent aspects of this scene... 8 YEARS STRONG!!! So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... Because EVERYONE goes to MEGGA-BUZZ... Not just because it's a incredible party, but because it's a TRADITION... and there is NOTHING stronger then a fundamental community tradition. You have all heard people throw around the phrase "Keep it Alive" and "Keep the Vibe Alive"... well it's all a reference to supporting our traditions, so future generations can experience what we sometimes take for granted. Without support for traditions, our community would disappear. See you all on Sept. 1st... Keep it alive... Vlad http://www.globalparty.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69605-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 18:59:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89975 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 18:59:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89964 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 18:59:22 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:09:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11502.9743B7C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hey All ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11502.9743B7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How are you all doin? Had a decent weekend at Electric Jello and Area 25, kinda felt like I wouldn’t have a great weekend, after finding a dead bird on my car Thursday on my way to anthem, and it was basically all down hill from there… But met a lot of people all over. After I heard about the after party on the beach in santa cruz, went back to the party where we met with 5 other cars, and caravanned to another beach, stopping at safeway (behind safeway), to pick up pallets for firewood, then after 3 hrs sleep, I appeared in Berkeley to get into Area 25 at maritime, and I did have fun, mainly cuz of one person, and if shes out there, give me a call sometime, maybe see you at anthem again before you leave.. Basically slept all day Sunday.. So now for upcoming parties, school started so I need to start taking a break, that means only 1-2 parties a weekend :-).. Going to a club in SJ on Thursday, Future Fridays on Friday..Then heading up to sac to chill this weekend. Bought my ticket for Trees n beats hope to see a lot of you there, should be fun.. Also check out Wilderbeats 3, in Sept, great lineup and cheap for the entire weekend. Still Dream reunion!!!!! Probably going to NRGize with my friend Moody, as well as Xtorts Submerge.. Then I am taking a real break.. I know a lot of people didn’t have a good time at Area 51, it would have been nice if the venue was confirmed, but you know there will always be other parties, and you will love them more, now that you know how much work and time goes into it..I remember my first disaster of a party Illumination; it was just a learning experience. We need to learn and move on to the next amazing party. Magick AIM : mrlaither143 laith@jps.net ICQ : 1891926 916-521-1139 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C11502.9743B7C0-- From sfraves-return-69606-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:00:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91553 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:00:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91543 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:00:31 -0000 From: "djSyMPLiSTiK" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:00:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c1153c$07731c50$a4a3fa18@mozart> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2520.0000 In-Reply-To: <996080812.3b5efcac45484@imp.free.fr> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Sell a glowstick, go to prison Raves being compared with crackhouses... Hmm... We have some intelligent people working in our government, don't we? I hope the cops here in bay area are just a BIT more wise than that. I mean I know it doesn't take a whole lot of brains for a person to be a police officer (which explains most of the quotes I've seen), but I'd be seriously afraid if they started to arrest people around here for something as simple as glowsticks and VapoRub. I'm sure the makers of VapoRub don't appreciate the negative publicity from the government either. djSyMPLiSTiK hard house / hi-NRG www.vulpinearts.com -----Original Message----- From: thieg [mailto:thieg@free.fr] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:07 AM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: [sfraves] Sell a glowstick, go to prison Do you need this paraphernalia to enjoy music? http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2001/06/20/rave_feature/ ~thieg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69607-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:06:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99113 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:06:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99095 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:06:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:52:00 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B5F1550.256B8B36@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ANTHEM - This Thursday Night!!! (bsp) A~N~T~H~E~M Thursday July 26th!!! Feel Good All-Stars: DJ Durben, Alain Octavo vs. Austin Payen Special Guest: DJ Joey Mazzola (Soulmatic, Radioactive) Maritime Sub-Level 375 1st St. @ Harrison St. San Francisco 18+ with valid ID 9pm – 2am. $5 Before 10pm / $10 After. VIP 21+ FUBAR Hosted By The luscious ladies of Feel Good :)~~ Anthem Club Line: 650-568-1338 Buzz-Line: 650-569-3300 http://www.globalparty.com Keep it Real Good With Feel Good --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69608-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:08:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1313 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:08:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1299 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:08:04 -0000 Message-ID: <03dc01c1153c$cd6a4780$18dbf7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:05:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03D9_01C11502.1FCF1EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Massives and the scene. ------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01C11502.1FCF1EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sorry anyone lost money on this whole Area 51 fiasco. It always = sucks to see bad things happen to good people.=20 I have to admit, though, that I just don't see it as a big issue, at = least not in how it impacts "the scene." Massives don't really have = anything to do with the scene (except maybe to provide camouflage for = it, as vix mentioned.) People are the real core of the scene. The vibe at a party isn't = determined by the music, the eyecandy, the performance art, or the = headcount, but by the attitudes of the people that are attending. When = you advertise an event widely and sell thousands of tickets it's very = difficult to ensure that even most of those who come are going to be on = the same wavelength. When you charge 40 bucks a ticket, you alienate a = lot of people who can't justify spending that much on an evening of = dancing. At massives the real core of the scene is given a lower = priority than the djs, the music, the flashy visuals, and the profit = potential. In the massive industry, ravers become consumers and = promoters become businessmen. The point of a massive is to tap the = mainstream and draw as many people as possible so you can pay the = massive bills and collect a massive profit. That's hardly a recipe for a = night of blissful utopia. Massives are profit machines and that's fine so long as you know what = you are doing when you throw one. You can't expect your consumers to = just be ok with it if there is a last minute issue with the venue. You = can't expect them to forgive you if the event ends earlier than planned. = All you can expect from them is a complaint about any and every thing = that isn't to their liking. You are advertising a product and charging = people for it and they will expect you to deliver it as promised. If you = want to throw a successful massive, approach it like a business because = that's what it is. Get insurance. Have lawyers on hand. Grease some = palms if that's what it takes. Make damn sure you have all your ducks in = a row. Cover your ass. It just isn't realistic to think that the droves = of people that heard about your event on the radio are going to hug you = and murmur nice things about "PLUR" when your massive event turns into a = massive disaster.=20 As far as this list goes, I'm sorry to see such credence being given to = the idea that massive events are actually part of the scene. They = aren't. They are mainstream distortions of the scene and should be = regarded as such. What's the point of a flame war about a massive gone = wrong? It disturbs me when I see conversations on here degenerating to = the point that we are proudly calling ourselves consumers because we've = purchased a ticket to a "rave." That's the sort of poison that can = really harm us. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01C11502.1FCF1EF0-- From sfraves-return-69609-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:08:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1500 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:08:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1402 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:08:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] Reply-To: "Cheese" From: "Cheese" To: , Cc: , "Vilma Reyes" References: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:08:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 19:07:27.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BA6BE70:01C1153D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] That Virus Email Vilma Reyes at promowrtu@hotmail.com .... she was the first person to start that whole email game of tag... i think she actually created the whole list... or goto www.abandonedwreckords.com and email them specifically... like me, i'm emailing both Vilma and complaints@abandonedwreckords.com Just make sure that you dont send an email to cdpoolus01@abandonedwreckords.com or you will receive about 100 undeliverable messages... I DO NOT think that by executing the virus, you get added to the list... I think that the list is a a bunch of email addresses that she had collected to send out spam about there CD Pool, much like a Record Pool... damn i hat spam! Hope that helps Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" To: Sent: July 25, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: [sfraves] That Virus > hello everyone ok this is how that virus worked. > The email you got said something like "hey its me Ive put together this document can you take a look at it" bla bla bla. > well the virus was actully responding to that email. Anyone that responded to the email was placed on a mailing list named "cdpoolus01abandonedwreckords" > so now people are responing to the list asking to be removed and its sending the request to everyone on the list. So if you get an email from that address listed about dont respond to it cause it will add your name to the list and then your done. I have already deleted over 1000 email that keep circulating so be carefull. Also if anyone on the list can help me get off that list please email me. > thanks > --- > Thanks! Please party and play safe. > > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69610-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:09:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4851 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:09:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4786 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:09:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:54:06 -0700 From: Feel Good To: Yarrow220@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B5F15CE.5F624DBA@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <120.230b50b.28906a02@aol.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] $15 RANT N RAVE/ FULLY PERMITTED ..preBSP Yarrow220@aol.com wrote: > FULLY PERMITTED, and we will release the location before the day of the > show....now that > Area 51 has raised the eyebrow and anxof the entire community what does this mean? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69611-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:11:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10609 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:11:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10599 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:11:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725191050.11856.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010725173307.37071.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Citys who pass "anti rave laws" get federal funding in new Anti Ecstasy Bill Bribery? In a way. The usual mechanism is more akin to Federal extortion. Since the Federal Government is actually fairly limited in its ability to control key state issues, they usually give or withhold large sums of cash based on whether or not states comply with certain Federal wishes. This is a game most often played with schools and transportation funds. I'm reminded of the old favorite "Money talks, shit walks." -Dreg --- Jungle Bunny wrote: > Isn't that bribery essentially??? > just a thought. > > --- Bryan Oley wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.alchemind.org/DLL/sb1208_summary_announcement.htm > > > > New Federal Anti-Ecstasy Bill Introduced > > A Summary of S1208 the Ecstasy Prevention Act of > > 2001 > > In conjunction with a 2-day NIDA-directed Ecstasy > > conference, Senator Bob Graham (D-Fla), on July > 19, > > 2001, introduced the "Ecstasy Prevention Act of > > 2001." An initial analysis by the Alchemind > > Society's Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics > > (CCLE) shows that this new bill, while giving > > lip-service to generating more scientific data > about > > the health consequences of MDMA (Ecstasy), directs > > over 22 million dollars to increased law > > enforcement, media propaganda, and the creation of > a > > new MDMA drug test. > > > > Senator Graham was one of the sponsors of the > > Ecstasy Anti-Proliferation Act of 2000, which > > substantially increased penalties associated with > > certain federal Ecstasy offenses. Provisions in > that > > Act, which would have infringed on free speech, > were > > struck after the Alchemind Society's Center for > > Cognitive Liberty & Ethics and other civil > liberties > > groups voiced objections. > > > > Under the newly introduced Ecstasy Prevention Act > of > > 2001: > > > > $15 million will be allocated "to assist > > anti-Ecstasy law enforcement initiatives in high > > intensity drug trafficking areas" and another $1 > > million will be allocated to establish a federal > > "task Force on Ecstasy/MDMA and Emerging Club > Drugs" > > which will report to President Bush and to the > > Congress on how to improve national drug control > > strategy with regard to Ecstasy. > > > > > > $7 million will be allocated to a "national > > youth anti-drug media campaign" that "addresses > the > > reduction and prevention of abuse of MDMA.among > > young people." > > > > > > An unspecified amount of money will be > > appropriated to the Office of National Drug > Control > > Policy (ONDCP) "to commission a drug test for MDMA > > which would meet the standards for the Federal > > Workplace." > > > > > > $1.5 million will be allocated for the > National > > Institute on Drug Abuse to conduct research on > MDMA > > and publish a public report no later than January > 1, > > 2003, which "evaluates the effects that MDMA use > can > > have on an individual's health," and which > documents > > "those research findings with respect to MDMA that > > are scientifically valid and identify the medical > > consequences on an individual's health." > > > > > > Communities that have passed ordinances > > "restricting rave clubs" and which have increased > > law enforcement directed toward Ecstasy offenses > > will receive priority in receiving grants under > the > > Public Health Service Act. > > > > > > This summer has been busy with anti-Ecstasy > > legislation. If Governor George H. Ryan of > Illinois > > signs HB126 (as he's expected to do) Illinois will > > enact one of the toughest anti-Ecstasy laws in the > > country. Under the Illinois bill, the possession > of > > 15 MDMA (Ecstasy) pills will result in a mandatory > > minimum of 4 years in prison, and up to a maximum > of > > 15 years. The Alchemind Society's Center for > > Cognitive Liberty & Ethics (CCLE) expects Governor > > Ryan to sign HB 126 any day now. > > > > The CCLE is currently monitoring the progress the > > Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001 (S1208) and will be > > preparing a detailed analysis of the bill should > it > > move forward. > > > > Resources: > > For more information, visit the area of the CCLE's > > Web site devoted to the Ecstasy Prevention Act of > > 2001, > http://www.alchemind.org/DLL/sb1208_index.htm, > > which includes, among other things: > > > > Senator Bob Graham's press release announcing > > the bill; > > > > the full text of the bill along with > continuous > > updates on its status; > > > > CCLE summary and analysis of the bill. > > > > > > > > For more information, contact: > > Richard Glen Boire, J.D. > > Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics > > E-mail: rgboire@cognitiveliberty.org > > Telephone & Fax: 1-530-750-7912 > > Web site: http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/ > > > > -B > > > > "If we think them not enlightened enough to > exercise > > their control with a wholesome discretion, the > > remedy is not to take it from them but to inform > > their discretion by education" - Thomas Jefferson > > > > > > > ===== > "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - > That's my Bush > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69612-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17304 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:13:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17292 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:13:45 -0000 From: "djSyMPLiSTiK" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:13:24 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c1153d$e063a6a0$a4a3fa18@mozart> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2520.0000 In-Reply-To: <3B5F15CE.5F624DBA@globalparty.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] $15 RANT N RAVE/ FULLY PERMITTED ..preBSP -----Original Message----- From: Feel Good [mailto:info@globalparty.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:54 AM To: Yarrow220@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] $15 RANT N RAVE/ FULLY PERMITTED ..preBSP Yarrow220@aol.com wrote: >> FULLY PERMITTED, and we will release the location before the day of >> the show....now that Area 51 has raised the eyebrow and anxof the >> entire community >what does this mean? I don't think anxof is in the English language :) djSyMPLiSTiK hard house / hi-NRG www.vulpinearts.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69613-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:17:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24744 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:17:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24713 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:17:05 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: , "SFRaves" References: <3B5F1278.F435B66@globalparty.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:17:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 19:16:23.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B1BE700:01C1153E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! So just out of curiosity, do you guys guys have a venue yet? Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feel Good" To: "SFRaves" Sent: July 25, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > Despite the rummers being circulated by the disrespectful faction of > this 'industry', MEGGA-BUZZ IS DEFINITELY happening on SATURDAY SEPT. > 1st for the 6th straight year in a row on Labor Day Weekend, as > anticipated. > > MEGGA-BUZZ is more then a fantastic party to celebrate the anniversary > of the BUZZ-LINE, but it's a part of the Bay Area Dance Culture > TRADITION. It's an integrated part of our local culture, and the > most established 'consistently occurring' annual Massive that northern > california has ever known. > > Just like you KNOW you can pick up the phone and call the BUZZ-LINE @ > 650-569-3300 (always for FREE) and get the scoop on parties and clubs > happening that night... YOU KNOW that MEGGA-BUZZ is always celebrated on > Labor Day Weekend to Showcase and REPRESENT the Bay Area sound and vibe > to the rest of the world!!! Both Megga-Buzz & The Buzz-Line hold the > record for being the 2 most consistent aspects of this scene... 8 YEARS > STRONG!!! > > So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty > obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... Because > EVERYONE goes to MEGGA-BUZZ... Not just because it's a incredible party, > but because it's a TRADITION... and there is NOTHING stronger then a > fundamental community tradition. > You have all heard people throw around the phrase "Keep it Alive" and > "Keep the Vibe Alive"... well it's all a reference to supporting our > traditions, so future generations can experience what we sometimes take > for granted. Without support for traditions, our community would > disappear. > > See you all on Sept. 1st... Keep it alive... Vlad > http://www.globalparty.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69614-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:23:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32711 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:23:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32701 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:23:40 -0000 Message-ID: <003e01c1153f$56cc7f50$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "Cheese" , "SFRaves" References: <3B5F1278.F435B66@globalparty.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:23:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! Yah...8 years strong? Is that why this is # 6 Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: ; "SFRaves" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > So just out of curiosity, do you guys guys have a venue yet? > > Timothy > **Cheese** > itswidow@hotmail.com > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Feel Good" > To: "SFRaves" > Sent: July 25, 2001 11:39 AM > Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > Despite the rummers being circulated by the disrespectful faction of > > this 'industry', MEGGA-BUZZ IS DEFINITELY happening on SATURDAY SEPT. > > 1st for the 6th straight year in a row on Labor Day Weekend, as > > anticipated. > > > > MEGGA-BUZZ is more then a fantastic party to celebrate the anniversary > > of the BUZZ-LINE, but it's a part of the Bay Area Dance Culture > > TRADITION. It's an integrated part of our local culture, and the > > most established 'consistently occurring' annual Massive that northern > > california has ever known. > > > > Just like you KNOW you can pick up the phone and call the BUZZ-LINE @ > > 650-569-3300 (always for FREE) and get the scoop on parties and clubs > > happening that night... YOU KNOW that MEGGA-BUZZ is always celebrated on > > Labor Day Weekend to Showcase and REPRESENT the Bay Area sound and vibe > > to the rest of the world!!! Both Megga-Buzz & The Buzz-Line hold the > > record for being the 2 most consistent aspects of this scene... 8 YEARS > > STRONG!!! > > > > So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty > > obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... Because > > EVERYONE goes to MEGGA-BUZZ... Not just because it's a incredible party, > > but because it's a TRADITION... and there is NOTHING stronger then a > > fundamental community tradition. > > You have all heard people throw around the phrase "Keep it Alive" and > > "Keep the Vibe Alive"... well it's all a reference to supporting our > > traditions, so future generations can experience what we sometimes take > > for granted. Without support for traditions, our community would > > disappear. > > > > See you all on Sept. 1st... Keep it alive... Vlad > > http://www.globalparty.com > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69615-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:32:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44455 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:32:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44403 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:32:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:32:23 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010725123223.A4732@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <996080812.3b5efcac45484@imp.free.fr> <001d01c1153c$07731c50$a4a3fa18@mozart> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <001d01c1153c$07731c50$a4a3fa18@mozart>; from symplistik@vulpinearts.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:00:10PM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Sell a glowstick, go to prison [djSyMPLiSTiK ] > Raves being compared with crackhouses... Hmm... We have some intelligent > people working in our government, don't we? > > I hope the cops here in bay area are just a BIT more wise than that. I > mean I know it doesn't take a whole lot of brains for a person to be a > police officer (which explains most of the quotes I've seen), but I'd be > seriously afraid if they started to arrest people around here for > something as simple as glowsticks and VapoRub. No one is going to get arrested for having glowsticks and VaporRub. However, it could (theoretically) be considered probable cause to search someone or a car. > > I'm sure the makers of VapoRub don't appreciate the negative publicity > from the government either. I doubt that Vick's would blame the government. Much more likely that they would blame the ravers. -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69616-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:38:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56699 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:38:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56672 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:38:54 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010725123658.02d798a0@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:39:31 -0700 To: "Gabba Junkie" ,apollo@speakeasy.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] the area 51/consumer drama regardless of Apollo or Harmony, that is a HORRIBLE analogy. The flier isn't the product, the party is. Buying a ticket to a party, with promises on the flier, would be like bidding on a car that you've only seen some nice pictures of. It Is your (the consumer) fault if you didn't bother to ask about the engine, whether it runs, etc. sarilion At 04:24 AM 7/25/2001 +0000, Gabba Junkie wrote: >I don't think apollo has a very strong grasp of the situation here....the >party flier promised certain things...i.e. a venue, 300,000 square feet, >18+ among other things...now thinking as a consumer if you buy a bag of >chips and the outside says barbecue but when you get them home their sour >cream its the consumer's fault? On the contrary i think we did our part as >consumers and accepting the promoters promises. the fact that there was >no venue on the info line is irrelavant because one was promised...hell it >wasnt on the flier either...now i live in sac so i ddin't hear anything >about the venue drama...but acting as a consumer i was cheated...plain and >simple i didnt recieve what was promised to me...and in my mind thats the >bottom line and MORE then enough reason to boycott future HARMONY >productions until they throw enough successful raves to gain my respect. > >Kevin Cave >AIM XXPINCUSHIONXX > > > > > >>From: "Apollo" >>Reply-To: >>To: "Jahsh" >>CC: >>Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, >>and a letter to greg) >>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:25:07 -0700 >> >> >> >>Jahsh wrote: >> >> > You all are so pissed off at what happen, Where were you when >> > there was NO info on the location of the event? Where were you when you >> > should have raised questions about a rave going all night in SF and being >> > all ages? NO you all just purchased your tickets without thinking like a >> > consumer. If I buy something that sucks and I didn't do my research on it, >> > alot of the times, I blame myself. I'll bitch about it and tell others not >> > to buy their product, but i don't go back to the manufacture and ask for >> > my money back. As my grandfather once said, "everybody lies". >> > >> > There is no doubt that area51 crew did wrong, but all you can do is act >> > like better consumers in the future, and make this community better >> > informed in the future. >> >>I have repeatedly said the same things you said. All of my posts have >>consistently called for consumer awareness and self-policing in our >>community. And I'm not asking for my money back, am I? I'm asking for the >>kind of honesty and respect from promoters that we require from ourselves in >>this community. Period. >> >>Apollo >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69617-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:39:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57097 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:39:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57082 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:39:01 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.3.206.231] From: "Clifford Brown" To: "Ecko" , "Cheese" , "SFRaves" References: <3B5F1278.F435B66@globalparty.com> <003e01c1153f$56cc7f50$280110ac@nick> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:37:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 19:38:20.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C103C70:01C11541] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! How did I know you would step in with the smart ass remark. Its the buzz lines 8year aniversary and the 6th anual Mega buzz massive... You really need to take it easy. Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Ecko To: Cheese ; SFRaves Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > Yah...8 years strong? Is that why this is # 6 > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheese" > To: ; "SFRaves" > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > So just out of curiosity, do you guys guys have a venue yet? > > > > Timothy > > **Cheese** > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Feel Good" > > To: "SFRaves" > > Sent: July 25, 2001 11:39 AM > > Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > > > > Despite the rummers being circulated by the disrespectful faction of > > > this 'industry', MEGGA-BUZZ IS DEFINITELY happening on SATURDAY SEPT. > > > 1st for the 6th straight year in a row on Labor Day Weekend, as > > > anticipated. > > > > > > MEGGA-BUZZ is more then a fantastic party to celebrate the anniversary > > > of the BUZZ-LINE, but it's a part of the Bay Area Dance Culture > > > TRADITION. It's an integrated part of our local culture, and the > > > most established 'consistently occurring' annual Massive that northern > > > california has ever known. > > > > > > Just like you KNOW you can pick up the phone and call the BUZZ-LINE @ > > > 650-569-3300 (always for FREE) and get the scoop on parties and clubs > > > happening that night... YOU KNOW that MEGGA-BUZZ is always celebrated on > > > Labor Day Weekend to Showcase and REPRESENT the Bay Area sound and vibe > > > to the rest of the world!!! Both Megga-Buzz & The Buzz-Line hold the > > > record for being the 2 most consistent aspects of this scene... 8 YEARS > > > STRONG!!! > > > > > > So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty > > > obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... Because > > > EVERYONE goes to MEGGA-BUZZ... Not just because it's a incredible party, > > > but because it's a TRADITION... and there is NOTHING stronger then a > > > fundamental community tradition. > > > You have all heard people throw around the phrase "Keep it Alive" and > > > "Keep the Vibe Alive"... well it's all a reference to supporting our > > > traditions, so future generations can experience what we sometimes take > > > for granted. Without support for traditions, our community would > > > disappear. > > > > > > See you all on Sept. 1st... Keep it alive... Vlad > > > http://www.globalparty.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69618-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:42:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69258 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:42:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69193 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:42:48 -0000 From: "djSyMPLiSTiK" To: "'Ari Gordon-Schlosberg'" , Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:42:24 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c11541$ed783460$a4a3fa18@mozart> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2520.0000 In-Reply-To: <20010725123223.A4732@nebcorp.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Sell a glowstick, go to prison > -----Original Message----- > From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg [mailto:regs@nebcorp.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:32 PM > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Sell a glowstick, go to prison > > > [djSyMPLiSTiK ] > > Raves being compared with crackhouses... Hmm... We have some > > intelligent people working in our government, don't we? > > > > I hope the cops here in bay area are just a BIT more wise > than that. I > > mean I know it doesn't take a whole lot of brains for a > person to be a > > police officer (which explains most of the quotes I've > seen), but I'd > > be seriously afraid if they started to arrest people around > here for > > something as simple as glowsticks and VapoRub. > > No one is going to get arrested for having glowsticks and > VaporRub. However, it could (theoretically) be considered > probable cause to search someone or a car. You're still being treated like a possible criminal for carrying a stick of light. djSyMPLiSTiK hard house / hi-NRG www.vulpinearts.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69619-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:43:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70106 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:43:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70092 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:43:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.3.206.231] From: "Clifford Brown" To: "Clifford Brown" , "Ecko" , "Cheese" , "SFRaves" References: <3B5F1278.F435B66@globalparty.com> <003e01c1153f$56cc7f50$280110ac@nick> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:41:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 19:42:23.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECF2FED0:01C11541] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! oh and im not with feel good i can just read the flyer ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Clifford Brown To: Ecko ; Cheese ; SFRaves Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > How did I know you would step in with the smart ass remark. Its the buzz > lines 8year aniversary and the 6th anual Mega buzz massive... You really > need to take it easy. > > Dancin for SMILES =) > Cliff > > ------------------------------------ > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ecko > To: Cheese ; SFRaves > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > Yah...8 years strong? Is that why this is # 6 > > Nick > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cheese" > > To: ; "SFRaves" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > > > > So just out of curiosity, do you guys guys have a venue yet? > > > > > > Timothy > > > **Cheese** > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Feel Good" > > > To: "SFRaves" > > > Sent: July 25, 2001 11:39 AM > > > Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > > > > > > > Despite the rummers being circulated by the disrespectful faction of > > > > this 'industry', MEGGA-BUZZ IS DEFINITELY happening on SATURDAY SEPT. > > > > 1st for the 6th straight year in a row on Labor Day Weekend, as > > > > anticipated. > > > > > > > > MEGGA-BUZZ is more then a fantastic party to celebrate the anniversary > > > > of the BUZZ-LINE, but it's a part of the Bay Area Dance Culture > > > > TRADITION. It's an integrated part of our local culture, and the > > > > most established 'consistently occurring' annual Massive that northern > > > > california has ever known. > > > > > > > > Just like you KNOW you can pick up the phone and call the BUZZ-LINE @ > > > > 650-569-3300 (always for FREE) and get the scoop on parties and clubs > > > > happening that night... YOU KNOW that MEGGA-BUZZ is always celebrated > on > > > > Labor Day Weekend to Showcase and REPRESENT the Bay Area sound and > vibe > > > > to the rest of the world!!! Both Megga-Buzz & The Buzz-Line hold > the > > > > record for being the 2 most consistent aspects of this scene... 8 > YEARS > > > > STRONG!!! > > > > > > > > So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty > > > > obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... Because > > > > EVERYONE goes to MEGGA-BUZZ... Not just because it's a incredible > party, > > > > but because it's a TRADITION... and there is NOTHING stronger then a > > > > fundamental community tradition. > > > > You have all heard people throw around the phrase "Keep it Alive" and > > > > "Keep the Vibe Alive"... well it's all a reference to supporting our > > > > traditions, so future generations can experience what we sometimes > take > > > > for granted. Without support for traditions, our community would > > > > disappear. > > > > > > > > See you all on Sept. 1st... Keep it alive... Vlad > > > > http://www.globalparty.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69620-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:45:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77451 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:45:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77441 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:45:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.217.15.11] From: "Gabba Junkie" To: raver@sarilion.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:45:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 19:45:09.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FBFF6D0:01C11542] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] the area 51/consumer drama see thats where you're wrong...As people have stated before harmony has thrown good parties..thus they are a somewhat reliable promoter...so I am wrong for taking the word of a reliable promoter? Suuuuure buddy ;) K~ >From: Raver >To: "Gabba Junkie" ,apollo@speakeasy.org, >sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] the area 51/consumer drama >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:39:31 -0700 > >regardless of Apollo or Harmony, that is a HORRIBLE analogy. The flier >isn't the product, the party is. Buying a ticket to a party, with promises >on the flier, would be like bidding on a car that you've only seen some >nice pictures of. It Is your (the consumer) fault if you didn't bother to >ask about the engine, whether it runs, etc. > >sarilion > >At 04:24 AM 7/25/2001 +0000, Gabba Junkie wrote: >>I don't think apollo has a very strong grasp of the situation here....the >>party flier promised certain things...i.e. a venue, 300,000 square feet, >>18+ among other things...now thinking as a consumer if you buy a bag of >>chips and the outside says barbecue but when you get them home their sour >>cream its the consumer's fault? On the contrary i think we did our part as >>consumers and accepting the promoters promises. the fact that there was >>no venue on the info line is irrelavant because one was promised...hell it >>wasnt on the flier either...now i live in sac so i ddin't hear anything >>about the venue drama...but acting as a consumer i was cheated...plain and >>simple i didnt recieve what was promised to me...and in my mind thats the >>bottom line and MORE then enough reason to boycott future HARMONY >>productions until they throw enough successful raves to gain my respect. >> >>Kevin Cave >>AIM XXPINCUSHIONXX >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Apollo" >>>Reply-To: >>>To: "Jahsh" >>>CC: >>>Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, >>>and a letter to greg) >>>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:25:07 -0700 >>> >>> >>> >>>Jahsh wrote: >>> >>> > You all are so pissed off at what happen, Where were you when >>> > there was NO info on the location of the event? Where were you when >>>you >>> > should have raised questions about a rave going all night in SF and >>>being >>> > all ages? NO you all just purchased your tickets without thinking like >>>a >>> > consumer. If I buy something that sucks and I didn't do my research on >>>it, >>> > alot of the times, I blame myself. I'll bitch about it and tell others >>>not >>> > to buy their product, but i don't go back to the manufacture and ask >>>for >>> > my money back. As my grandfather once said, "everybody lies". >>> > >>> > There is no doubt that area51 crew did wrong, but all you can do is >>>act >>> > like better consumers in the future, and make this community better >>> > informed in the future. >>> >>>I have repeatedly said the same things you said. All of my posts have >>>consistently called for consumer awareness and self-policing in our >>>community. And I'm not asking for my money back, am I? I'm asking for >>>the >>>kind of honesty and respect from promoters that we require from ourselves >>>in >>>this community. Period. >>> >>>Apollo >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69621-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:47:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80048 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:47:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80038 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:47:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.214.121.83] From: "Solmatic Records" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:46:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 19:46:27.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E78DF00:01C11542] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] H- Foundation Tonite @ the Lime light ! House Muzik !! Tonite at the Lime light !! Join us for some great mixing by a very high quality duo ! I think its free for SF Ravers ! Check the Brain Child post. See you house heads later....8) Joey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69622-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:51:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83671 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:51:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83661 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:51:42 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010725124443.00b93b28@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:52:19 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <20010725070017.1E88E36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) At 12:00 AM 7/25/2001 -0700, Osby wrote: >I totally wouldn't of posted this here, but it's short, Fun, & easy, & >painless! >------------------------------------------------------ > >1- What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? > My Favorite all time Flavor is GRAPE!!! Yum!! Coconut. With corn. > >2- Favorite Music?? > I Love all Electronic; the harder, the yummier (ie.) Jungle, > Techno) But I Love Breakbeats 'cause it's totally similiar to Freestyle > & I Love Freestyle! Don't even get me started on Happy HardCore! Yummy 8PP I like most music. I've been known to bump Mariachi music in traffic. (I'm a cracker) > >3- Hair Color?? > My hair's like auburninsh/ blond kinda dealie, but I swear, until > I start totally workin' again, I wanna make my hair TEAL!! Osby, you actually have a natural hair color? LOL Mine is dirty blond / light brown, my goat is partly red > >4- Pets?? > I have 2 Cats....My Lovable Alien Cat Pheobe & The Bitchy > Princess Buffy! @ 1 point, I did have 13 Cats in my house & I Loved them > all!! =(( My family has a Golden Retreiver, named Bayley Wolf, but he's in VT right now. > >5- Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! Really Way out there!! > Well, I'm a pyro!! I Love Burning thing & I Love Fire!!! I Love > Campfires & BBQs!! But I wouldn't burn a building down w/o perrmissioin!! If I posted that on a public list, I'd have officers at my door in less than 30 minutes. sarilion senseless surveys are cool, thanks osby :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69623-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 19:58:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93380 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 19:58:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93335 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 19:58:54 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010725125509.02d8d278@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:59:30 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: <7f.17a7e545.288fd216@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] sell a glowstick go to prison I have an idea (prolly sucks, but): Lets put Dancesafe and glowstick kiosks EVERYWHERE. Not just at parties,=20 at 7-11, on street corners, etc. Lets distribute literature and non toxic= =20 glowing chemicals to the masses. I'm not real big on flyering cars, but if= =20 someone gives me permission, and text, I'll print as many as I can get away= =20 with and flood the public. Free glowsticks prolly won't happen.. but if=20 everyone has them, the gov't won't have the resources to deal with it. sarilion At 03:41 AM 7/25/2001 -0400, Klatuu02@aol.com wrote: > > "Sell a Glowstick, Go To Prison" by Janelle Brown > > > > Witness the humble glowstick. This neon yellow > > tube of light, testament to the wonders of the > > nontoxic chemical reaction, is popular at Britney > > Spears concerts, Mardi Gras parades and summer > > street fairs. But because glowsticks are also > > commonly found at raves, where partiers wave them > > about during their dance-floor kinetics, they have > > become a curious casualty of the government's war > > on drugs. > > > > An injunction handed down against a group of New > > Orleans party promoters last Wednesday charges > > that glowsticks -- along with pacifiers, Vicks > > VapoRub and dust masks -- are "drug > > paraphernalia," and their presence on a dance > > floor is a sign that illegal drug activity is > > taking place. > > > > In response, the promoters have banned glowsticks > > from their clubs, along with chill rooms, where > > partyers might go to catch their breath (or where > > they might, in the eyes of the authorities, go to > > take their drugs), and massage tables (where God > > knows what nefarious activities might occur). The > > injunction seems to imply that if you take away > > the chill rooms and the glowsticks, you take away > > the drugs. > > > > It's bafflingly backward logic, but then again, > > the federal government's war on drugs hasn't > > always made sense. > > > > The demonization of the cheery little glowstick is > > the harbinger of a topsy-turvy new front in that > > increasingly bizarre conflict. As teens continue > > to gobble ecstasy, ketamine, speed and GHB at > > frightening rates, everything and everyone is > > vulnerable. While the owners of venues like > > nightclubs where patrons do illegal acts have > > always been subject to crackdowns, grim > > prosecutors are now targeting dance clubs with > > leaky old "crack house" laws from the 1980s, and > > threatening owners and promoters with decades in > > prison. > > > > In this new era, even promoters who try to stop > > drug use are vulnerable. Call the cops on a > > drug-using patron and you've marked yourself as > > the owner of a drug operation. Hire an ambulance > > as a precaution against overdoses, or let a > > harm-reduction group like DanceSafe distribute > > literature, and you've done the same thing. > > > > If the New Orleans case should set a national > > standard, not only will ravers lose their > > glowsticks, but the entire dance community could > > potentially lose its clubs, concert halls and > > parties -- and, in the most drastic cases, ravers > > could lose their lives. > > > > "The government is engaged in an outright war on > > nightclubs, which they hope will make it appear > > that they are doing something to stop the drug > > epidemic," says Will Patterson, who runs the > > Electronic Music Defense and Education Fund, which > > raised $50,000 for the New Orleans promoters' > > defense. "But if you take away the clubs, [drug > > users] just go somewhere [else]. The nightclubs > > are at least trying to combat drug use in every > > way they can." > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > "Lately raves are just a venue for drug purchases. > > They are no more than analogous to a crack house, > > in which you go buy the drugs and go out the back > > door. Although there's music being played, and the > > people at the raves are saying, 'I come here for > > the music,' drugs are predominant in these rave > > clubs. And it's just a mix of drugs and music, and > > it's become a venue for drug purchases." > > > > -- Quote from a promotional video distributed by > > the DEA > > > > By any measure, the government's war on drugs has > > been a failure. Despite the fact that the > > government spent $17.9 billion battling drugs last > > year -- and arrested 1,532,200 people on drug > > charges the year before -- the number of young > > adult drug users has not significantly changed > > since it hit a peak in 1997, according to the > > annual Monitoring the Future study. Fifty-four > > percent of all high school seniors have done > > drugs, and the drugs they are doing are harder. > > According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, > > 8.2 percent of all high school seniors did MDMA, > > or ecstasy, in 2000 (up from 5.6 percent the year > > before). Drugs like GHB (a liquid that mildly > > mimics the floaty, euphoric sensation of ecstasy) > > and ketamine (an animal tranquilizer that, when > > snorted, sends the user into a hallucinatory state > > like catatonia), which once were used primarily by > > New Agers seeking psychedelic epiphanies, are also > > on the rise among young adults and teens. > > > > And these harder drugs can be dangerous. More than > > 2,850 people were admitted to hospitals for what > > were termed "ecstasy overdoses" in 1999, according > > to the Drug Abuse Warning Network. And although > > DAWN reports that the number of deaths from drugs > > like ketamine, ecstasy and GHB was relatively > > small between 1994 and 1998 (12 died from GHB, 47 > > from ketamine, 27 from ecstasy), that data is > > several years old. The DanceSafe organization now > > cites at least 100 ecstasy-related deaths. The > > vast majority of these, however, were not > > overdoses but the result of becoming overheated on > > the dance floor or ingesting pills sold as ecstasy > > that were actually dangerous substances like DXM, > > a cough suppressant that can cause overheating if > > taken in large quantities, and the stimulant PMA. > > > > The National Institute on Drug Abuse calls these > > "club drugs," though users, of course, can do them > > just about anywhere. Accordingly, the government > > has brought its drug war to the clubs themselves. > > While state and local authorities have been > > cracking down on raves and all-night dance clubs > > for almost a decade across the country, the > > national hysteria over teens and ecstasy has > > brought the battle to a fever pitch. Federal > > authorities are now stepping in, and the new front > > lines are in New Orleans and Panama City Beach, > > Fla. > > > > When the New Orleans promoters were indicted in > > January, partyers and promoters across the country > > sat up and paid attention. Robert Brunet, Brian > > Brunet and James ("Donnie") Estopinal were > > partners in New Orleans' most popular all-night > > dance party, Freebass, at the State Palace Theater > > dance club. Every weekend, Freebass would fly in > > the world's top DJs to play for thousands of > > ecstatic dancers -- just like dozens, if not > > hundreds, of other clubs and parties across the > > United States. > > > > Undercover cops from the Drug Enforcement > > Administration and the New Orleans Police > > Department infiltrated the parties; finding that > > some attendees were doing drugs, the U.S. district > > attorney in New Orleans drew up charges against > > the promoters. This, in itself, was not unusual -- > > promoters have skirmished with authorities for > > years -- but the law under which the three were > > eventually indicted offered a frightening new > > twist. Federal authorities were using a musty, > > long-forgotten law from 1986, the "crack-house > > statute," which was originally written to attack > > the proprietors of havens for crack cocaine. > > Although the Brunets and Estopinal had not > > personally sold any drugs at their parties, they > > were charged with "knowingly and intentionally" > > running a club where people used drugs. > > > > The punishment? A possible 20 years in prison, and > > potentially millions of dollars in fines. > > > > The ramifications were far-reaching. If the > > Brunets and Estopinal were found guilty of running > > a 21st century crack house, then every promoter > > who threw a club, party or similar event where > > attendees did drugs could be found similarly > > liable. Other than the occasional Amy Grant > > concert, are there any music events where you > > can't find attendees who are doing drugs of some > > sort? The indictment was a shot fired across the > > bow of the entire dance music industry. > > > > "The government has this crazy notion that, > > somehow or another, a promoter should be held > > criminally responsible as a drug offender because > > of what people in the audience may do," said > > Arthur Lemann III, the lawyer for Brian Brunet. > > "It's a lot like arresting the usher because > > Pavarotti stabs the fat lady at the end of the > > opera." > > > > The New Orleans promoters faced a legal ordeal > > that could take years. It could cost them millions > > and still land them in jail. On Wednesday, the > > three promoters accepted a plea bargain; their > > company, Barbecue Inc. (rather than the > > individuals themselves), would plead guilty to one > > count of operating a crack house, and the > > corporation would pay a $100,000 fine. The > > promoters would not have to serve any jail time. > > But the settlement also included an injunction > > that forbade the presence of glowsticks, Vicks > > VapoRub, masks, pacifiers, massage tables and > > chill rooms at future parties. (Partyers rub the > > Vicks under their noses for an additional buzz; > > the pacifiers are used to stop tripping dancers > > from grinding their teeth or simply as a fashion > > accessory; dust masks are for fashion, to enhance > > the effects of the Vicks -- and sometimes just to > > keep dance-floor dust out of their system.) > > > > Lemann calls the plea bargain a "face-saving > > masquerade" to hide the fact that the government > > didn't have a strong case; and the deal was > > certainly a personal victory for the promoters, > > who no longer face spending the rest of their > > lives in jail. But the fact remains that a company > > that throws late-night parties and sells > > glowsticks was found guilty of running a crack > > house; and that decision could still spell > > disaster for the nation's other clubs. (Estopinal > > did not accept the plea bargain; and although he > > has not been personally reindicted, it remains a > > possibility that he could still go to trial.) > > > > "It is a bad precedent," says University of > > Tennessee law professor Glenn Reynolds, who > > consulted on a legal brief for the defendants. > > "Even if the charges are bogus, the government > > proved that they can extort a plea agreement, > > because any rational [promoter] faced with the > > threat of going to jail for 25 years is going to > > agree to a plea bargain like this that makes it > > all go away. But it's extortion, not justice." > > > > Within months of the New Orleans indictment, > > prosecutors in Panama City Beach, Fla., indicted > > promoters of a popular club called Club La Vela, > > home to MTV's spring break bootyfests and the > > nation's largest nightclub, under crack-house laws > > as well. In Florida, the war against raves is > > already several years old: In 1997, state > > officials passed a bill that made it illegal for > > clubs or restaurants that sold liquor to stay open > > past 2 a.m. Two years later, the state police > > instituted "Operation Heat Rave," raiding 57 clubs > > with the intent of shutting them down if they > > found any evidence of drug use. Club La Vela, the > > most visible club in Florida, became the > > unfortunate locus of the authorities' ire; at one > > news conference, Panama City Beach Police Chief > > J.B. Holloway went so far as to accuse the club's > > owners of "raising [underage patrons] to come back > > and buy their drugs later." > > > > Club La Vela was raided in early 2000, and police > > turned up a variety of drugs -- although they > > found no evidence that the owners themselves were > > selling illegal substances. On May 5, 2001, Club > > La Vela owners Patrick and Thorston Pfeffer were > > slapped with an indictment for allowing drug > > trafficking at their club. Like the New Orleans > > case, a federal grand jury indicted the nightclub > > owners under the crack-house statute; unlike the > > New Orleans case, the government also seized the > > assets of Club La Vela and forbade the owners from > > leaving the state. (Club La Vela's owners, in > > turn, are suing the local law enforcement agencies > > for defamation and depriving them of their right > > to public assembly.) The case is set to go to > > trial in July. > > > > Meanwhile, the crack-house gambit gains momentum > > in prosecutors' offices across the country. In > > Chicago, where several clubs have already been > > shut down after hosting raves, Mayor Richard Daley > > sought a local twist on the approach that would > > mandate six months in jail for anyone who allowed > > drug sales on his or her property. As Daley said > > at a press conference in March, "The people who > > run rave parties -- or own the rooms where they > > take place -- know exactly what's going on. But > > the city does not have sufficient powers to hold > > them responsible." The ordinance passed in early > > May. > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > There is a strategic logic to the government's war > > on glowsticks and pacifiers. For several years, > > federal drug authorities have been conducting a > > P.R. campaign that labels these toys as "drug > > paraphernalia" that will help identify that drugs > > are being taken. "What they've done is establish > > the beginning of a legal paper trail to > > substantiate their claims" and make it easier for > > authorities to target nightclubs, says Patterson > > of the Electronic Music Defense and Education > > Fund. "Within a month of the indictment in New > > Orleans, a lot of major nightclubs had already > > stopped selling glowsticks." > > > > But while a few candy ravers might be upset at > > losing their glowsticks, there's a deadlier side > > to the new crackdown. A much more dangerous loss > > to club kids is the "chill room," which the New > > Orleans case also identified as an accouterment of > > drug use in its list of paraphernalia banned from > > Barbecue Inc.'s parties. A number of other > > seemingly innocuous club practices -- like having > > ambulances present, featuring booths of > > harm-reduction groups like DanceSafe on the > > premises or even pumping in extra air > > conditioning -- are being targeted by authorities > > as well. > > > > The dance music community is not blind to the fact > > that drugs are a problem at raves; as the rave > > scene has grown, it has given birth to > > organizations that promote responsible clubbing. > > The most prominent is DanceSafe, a two-year-old > > Oakland, Calif., nonprofit founded by theology > > grad student Emanuel Sferios. Hundreds of > > DanceSafe volunteers, in 24 chapters around the > > globe, spend their weekends visiting raves and > > dispensing information about safe drug > > consumption. Besides providing practical party > > tips -- reminding kids to drink water, chill out > > and avoid overheating -- volunteers also perform > > on-the-spot tests of ecstasy tablets to ensure > > that what the ravers are consuming is actually > > MDMA rather than a potentially lethal concoction > > like DXM or PMA. > > > > The idea is similar to a needle-exchange program: > > The kids are going to take the pills anyway, so > > let's make sure that they do it safely. Thus far, > > DanceSafe has received support from the local > > police in the cities where it has chapters. As of > > yet, no volunteer or raver has been arrested for > > using the service, thanks to amnesty arrangements > > with police. According to Sferios, the program has > > been effective. Although the evidence is still > > mostly observational, he says, "when people start > > to expect us and our presence becomes common, the > > number of fake pills declines. If you do a > > particular party every time, or an event location > > every time, you'll start to see less fake pills, > > because the dealers with the fake pills learn they > > aren't going to get away with it." > > > > DanceSafe's growing visibility in the rave > > community has also brought some unexpected > > challenges. According to Sferios, some savvy drug > > dealers have learned they can fool the on-site > > testing kits by putting a tiny amount of MDMA into > > an otherwise fake pill. (The testing kits can > > determine only whether a pill contains any > > ecstasy, not a detailed analysis of its chemical > > makeup.) "The vast majority of pills with MDMA are > > still pure," says Sferios, "but we are seeing ones > > now that are conscious efforts to fool the kits. > > It's very disturbing." > > > > Cunning drug dealers, however, are the least of > > DanceSafe's problems. Although DanceSafe gets > > plenty of support from local police, the federal > > government is a different matter, and the group is > > becoming an unintentional victim of the crackdown > > on nightclubs. > > > > When Eddie Jordan, the New Orleans district > > attorney, introduced the charges against the > > Freebass promoters, he cited a list of evidence > > that showed the promoters had been encouraging > > drug use. That "evidence" included not only > > glowsticks, bottled water and chill rooms, but the > > presence of DanceSafe, which distributed > > literature at the New Orleans parties and which, > > according to Jordan, was a group that promoted > > drug use. > > > > DanceSafe has not yet suffered any legal > > repercussions for its activities, but Jordan's > > allegations have had a chilling effect on its > > activities. Promoters are now afraid to let > > DanceSafe into their clubs, lest the group's > > presence -- like that of glowsticks -- be used as > > evidence against them. "In some cities, promoters > > that were letting us into their parties have > > stopped, because of the New Orleans case," says > > Sferios, noting several parties in the San > > Francisco Bay Area at which his group's presence > > was prohibited. "The federal emphasis on ecstasy > > has affected us by frightening promoters into > > taking irrational and dangerous stances on this > > issue. Basically, it's the ostrich syndrome, and > > it's inhibiting our efforts." > > > > Patterson describes the dilemma now facing > > promoters who want to work with DanceSafe: "The > > government has chosen the rave scene to wage their > > war against drugs, and as a promoter I don't know > > what decision I'd make. On one side you've got > > young people who want to participate in education > > about drugs, but by the very act of engaging in > > that education process they may be putting the > > promoter at risk of legal problems." > > > > But DanceSafe's raison d'=EAtre is not merely to > > teach ravers how to be safe, but to teach clubs > > and promoters to provide what Sferios calls "safe > > settings." Much of it is common-sense stuff: free > > drinking water, chill rooms where overheating > > dancers can cool off, air conditioning and, for > > the largest events, on-duty medics or readily > > available emergency medical services. > > Unfortunately, the federal crackdown on nightclubs > > means that clubs that do provide these kinds of > > safety measures are essentially calling attention > > to themselves as drug havens. > > > > Explains Reynolds, "What has always been regarded > > as responsible behavior is now going to be > > regarded as [promotion] of dangerous behavior. As > > a result they'll do things that are dangerous to > > patrons to protect themselves." > > > > Club La Vela, for example, believes that its > > diligence in battling drugs was ultimately used as > > evidence against it. Says Luke Lirot, the attorney > > representing Thorston Pfeffer: "Club La Vela had a > > zero drug-tolerance policy and would call the > > police anytime they caught anyone with any > > substance. The police were upset because of all > > the calls. But clubs without all those calls of > > service aren't ferreting out all the drug use. > > Instead of being critical of this practice, they > > should have been commended." > > > > Another major nightclub to learn this difficult > > lesson was Twilo, in New York's Chelsea district, > > which in 1998 began a long and protracted battle > > against city authorities, which accused it of > > being a drugstore for kiddie ravers. (According to > > Sferios, Twilo was a perfect example of a "safe > > settings" nightclub -- it provided ample water, > > pumped cool air onto its dance floor and even > > provided a private ambulance in case of overdoses > > or other emergencies.) Unfortunately, city > > authorities cited that ambulance as proof that the > > club was a drug den. (According to the New York > > Times, the city also alleged that Fire Department > > officials who answered a 911 call were blocked > > from entering the club to treat three hidden > > patrons who had overdosed on drugs.) Although the > > city's first attempt to remove Twilo's cabaret > > license was initially rebuffed by an appeals court > > as being "arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable," > > that decision was ultimately overturned by the > > state's highest court; Twilo is now closed. > > > > "Twilo was probably the safest place in > > Manhattan -- if something happened, within 30 > > seconds you would be in the hands of a licensed > > EMS technician and paramedic in a full-service > > ambulance," says Mike Bindra, executive producer > > of Twilo. "The city used that to demonize us. > > > > "We were using the same service the New York > > Yankees use! Why is it a state law that an > > ambulance must be present at a football game, or > > at a Metallica concert at Madison Square Garden, > > but when it comes to dance culture and a nightclub > > you must be using it to smuggle drugs? It's like > > the Salem witch hunt." > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > The list of clubs and promoters that have faced > > trouble with authorities goes on and on. In New > > York, the Tunnel and Limelight have been fighting > > similar battles with city authorities. Rave > > promoters in San Diego and Humboldt County, > > Calif., have had their permits yanked. In San > > Francisco, nightclub institutions like 1015 Folsom > > and the End Up have battled closure for years. And > > once the nightclubs shut down, new ones rarely > > open in their place: Many cities, including New > > York and San Francisco, have instituted > > moratoriums (official and unofficial) on any new > > cabaret licenses or late-night dance licenses. The > > net effect is a declining pool of legal venues for > > raves, parties, concerts and other dance events. > > > > Some promoters still hope that if they can get the > > local authorities on their side, they will avoid > > federal scrutiny. "I don't think the [crack-house > > cases] are affecting me, or anyone else in > > Southern California, because the people I work > > with in law enforcement are stellar," says Philip > > Blaine, owner of KingFish entertainment in Los > > Angeles. "Here they have a concern for the public > > well-being -- they understand that kids will go > > out at night, and would rather have them going to > > a place that's planned and put together than go > > under a city bridge and put on a boombox where if > > they get hurt no one will find them until Monday, > > when their bodies are decaying." > > > > In San Francisco, too, the community is > > effectively fighting back. In the late 1990s, many > > of the city's late-night dance clubs -- including > > Trocadero, Club DV8 and VSF -- lost their permits, > > thanks to drug and noise complaints and a > > zero-tolerance attitude on the part of local > > officials. In July 1999, a group of local party > > promoters organized the San Francisco Late Night > > Coalition, a political-action committee dedicated > > to keeping the city's night life alive. Thanks to > > extensive lobbying and outreach with both > > nightclub owners and local officials, the group > > has successfully saved many of the city's > > remaining dance venues. > > > > These promoters and others say that the most naive > > hope of the federal crackdown on nightclubs is > > that if you remove the venue, you will remove the > > problem. Even if there are no official places to > > dance, wave glowsticks and hang out in chill > > rooms, that doesn't mean fans of electronic music > > won't continue to dance and do drugs. Instead, the > > electronic music scene will simply go underground > > for places to party. Nothing motivates a music > > subculture more than the potential to defy > > authority. > > > > "If they shut down every rave and nightclub and > > place of public assembly in the country, nothing > > will happen except that the dangers of drug intake > > will go underground, and people who make bad > > choices will pay the ultimate price," says Lirot, > > who is battling the Club La Vela case. "Whereas in > > the alternate settings, smart people take > > precautions and deal with problems professionally > > and safely and in a medically secure fashion. > > Chasing things underground is never a good idea -- > > although society thinks they benefit in the short > > term, they will end up paying for it in the long > > term." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69624-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 20:06:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4906 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 20:06:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4895 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 20:06:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:06:23 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010725130623.B7415@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <20010725123223.A4732@nebcorp.com> <002201c11541$ed783460$a4a3fa18@mozart> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <002201c11541$ed783460$a4a3fa18@mozart>; from symplistik@vulpinearts.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:42:24PM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Sell a glowstick, go to prison [djSyMPLiSTiK ] > > > No one is going to get arrested for having glowsticks and > > VaporRub. However, it could (theoretically) be considered > > probable cause to search someone or a car. > > You're still being treated like a possible criminal for carrying a stick > of light. Oh, yeah, I agree with that 100%. My point was merely that glowsticks are not a good enough reason to arrest someone. -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69625-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 20:20:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24191 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 20:20:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24157 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 20:20:31 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.112.32.195] From: "- Kitterman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:19:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 20:19:47.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[26485360:01C11547] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Laron Mix?? -Hola Can any of you party peeps out there tell me where I can find a full mix by SF's house master Laron? I've tried numerious times to locate one without success. There appears to be a few MP3's of his out there like "Take Me" or "House Low Down". Both are kewl (I'd highly recommend checking them!) but I'd be really interested in having a full set of his that I could listen too. If anybody out there has info on where I can find one, I'd greatly appreciated it. **Peace** -John _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69626-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 20:32:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37903 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 20:32:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37880 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 20:32:19 -0000 Message-ID: <003001c11546$a44ba740$0206a8c0@josh> From: "Josh.Illion" To: "sacraves" , "sfraves" , , , Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:16:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1150B.F4E8B700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Virus Alert & elysiumusic.com communities ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1150B.F4E8B700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Valued Elysium Music Fan: Here is a note from our web host... Email Virus Alert There is a new email worm attack out on the Internet. We are going to = roll out additions to the /etc/procmailrc file to protect our clients from = this virus. The rollout will take place between 6:00am and 8:00am EST, = Thursday, July 26th.=20 This new email worm works as follows: 1. You click on the email attachment. The attachment varies in = type format. 2. It then captures all email addresses currently associated to = your web browser cache. 3. Then sends that same worm, attaching itself to the files on the users computer, to all found email addresses. Kernel Security Threat In response to a recently identified security hole in the 2.2.17 kernel = on all 6.x servers, there will be an emergency kernel upgrade on all 6.x servers. The kernel patches have already been applied and installed on each server. In order for this upgrade to take effect, each server will need to be rebooted. The servers will be rebooted between 4:00am and 6:00am EST, Thursday, July 26th. This reboot will take between 5 and 15 minutes depending on drive sizes and load activity.=20 Kindest Regards,=20 Josh Illion - josh@elysiumusic.com Executive Producer/Artist Management Elysium Music International http://www.elysiumusic.com Telephone/Fax: 1.877.504.2887 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1150B.F4E8B700-- From sfraves-return-69627-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 20:34:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41601 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 20:34:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41589 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 20:34:06 -0000 From: jrusoff@apple.com Message-Id: <200107252033.NAA01106@scv3.apple.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:33:42 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Dissecting the dead horse I know Area 51 is already a well beaten, dead horse, but I'm curious non the less about how Greg mishandled the permit process. Can someone who's been through this explain what the process is for getting a site permitted, and exactly what steps Greg stumbled on? Did he just get things signed too late to avoid the conflict with the other group using the pier? I'm just trying to understand what he might have done differently to avoid the mishap. Thanks, Jason --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69628-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 20:34:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42928 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 20:34:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42886 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 20:34:20 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.82.101.130] From: "Audra Olazabal" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, marimag420@aol.com, acme_planners@topica.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:33:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 20:33:36.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[14520500:01C11549] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ***BSP: JENÖ @ ASCENSION*** This Thursday night is our biggest yet at Ascension! The feature is a special three-hour set with the legendary and highly coveted sounds of San Francisco house DJ, JENÖ (woohoo!). Opening for him will be two of our resident DJ’s: Tirrell and Alkaline making magic as only they can in an unforgettable 2x4. It’s an experience you won’t want to miss filled with passion, humor and slammin’ funky beats. Doors open at 9pm, and be sure to come early as this event will most definitely sell out. We’ve also got 1200 watts of new subs ready to pump, thump and bump the dance floor. We've been bouncing about with anticipation over this night and are working hard to make it special. 9:00-11:00 Tirrell vs. Alkaline a.k.a Mc Master Max B. 11:00-2:00 JENÖ 18-20 - $7 21+ - $5 ID’s Required, Full Bar, Pool Table, Video Games, Free Water www.acmeparty.com Blake’s, 2367 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69629-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 20:40:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52009 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 20:40:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51999 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 20:40:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725203957.2922.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:39:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] what i think of the panic button nrr you know, i opened up my e-mail today, and a whole bunch of you guys are sending out "panic" mail. why are you panicking? there is absolutely nothing going on. now, perhaps that would merit a yawn or two, but basically, your freaking out about nothing. i can't stand it. i mean, people who have absolutely no life experience at all are always looking for some excitement or intrigue where excitement and intrigue exist not. yawn. BORING. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69630-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 20:44:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56644 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 20:44:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56633 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 20:44:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:43:44 -0700 Message-Id: <200107252043.NAA02160@mail3.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [140.174.248.90] From: "dj huey" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BsP Torque vs Huey@ Construction Yo peeps, me and torque are gonna be rockin' 5 decks tonight at Contruction.......come through and have some fun. As usual free to everyone on sfr..........330 ritch, 18+to get in 21+to get tipsy................hone in 415*721*4610 ------------------------------------------------------------ [- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69631-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 20:44:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57356 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 20:44:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57316 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 20:44:11 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: "A. Nonymous" , Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:55:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <03dc01c1153c$cd6a4780$18dbf7a5@sauoq> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Massives and the scene. A. Nonymous wrote: > > As far as this list goes, I'm sorry to see such credence being > given to the idea that massive events are actually part of the > scene. They aren't. They are mainstream distortions of the scene > and should be regarded as such. What's the point of a flame war > about a massive gone wrong? It disturbs me when I see > conversations on here degenerating to the point that we are > proudly calling ourselves consumers because we've purchased a > ticket to a "rave." That's the sort of poison that can really harm us. > In my mind, a "rave" is a non-profit or break-even party thrown by community members for community members. It can be underground or "renegade" --unpermitted -- or, to loosen up the definition, an event given for some good cause, community member, etc., where much time and talent are donated and the primary goal is not profit making. I have never included "massives" or commercial parties in my definition of "rave." Come-Unity is the closest a club event comes to being a "rave," since many resources are donated. But it doesn't matter what you and I think, A. Nonymous. Many younger members in the scene think they are going to raves when they buy a ticket to a commercial event or massive. And we as a community must deal with these beliefs and, I think, help safeguard our younger members from unethical practices or sheer incompetence of commercial promoters. I don't think we can turn our backs on the scene that most people believe is raving. We owe it to our younger members to protect and educated them so that they can participate more fully in the genuine scene later on. IMHO. Further, it soils us all when the commercial scene operates with a "let the buyer beware" attitude. People are hurt, good dancers become jaded, and the whole community suffers when this attitude becomes generally accepted. Much love, Apollo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69632-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 20:53:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74410 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 20:53:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74375 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 20:53:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725205305.62443.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] i forgot something nrr i don't have a private mailing list. i don't think i want or need one at this time. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69633-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 21:09:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 786 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 21:09:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 774 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 21:09:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010725203957.2922.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010725203957.2922.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:07:54 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] what i think of the panic button nrr Email is a weird medium. It makes people talk strangely. Where's the panic? Last time I looked out my window everything looked pretty peaceful. I've never met anyone with absolutely no life experience at all. I should think such a person does not exist, for what would they be? And what exactly is wrong with cultivating excitement and intrigue where there is none? I would think that's how most excitement and intrigue is born in the first place. -blindspot At 1:39 PM -0700 7/25/01, Geri Dahl wrote: >you know, i opened up my e-mail today, and a whole >bunch of you guys are sending out "panic" mail. why >are you >panicking? there is absolutely nothing going on. now, >perhaps that would merit a yawn or two, but basically, >your >freaking out about nothing. i can't stand it. i mean, >people who have absolutely no life experience at all >are >always looking for some excitement or intrigue where >excitement and intrigue exist not. yawn. BORING. :) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69634-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 21:14:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7344 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 21:14:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7334 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 21:14:42 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blindspot@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:13:04 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: blindspot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) It's all about DISPOSABLE INCOME. It's the youngstas who got lots of it. The establishment cannot allow it to seep into the black hole of an underground economy. Can't you hear 'em: "Hey that's OUR money!" -blindspot At 2:35 PM -0700 7/25/01, Sameer Parekh wrote: > I recently skimmed through that National Drug Intelligence Center's >report on "raves". The basic description of a "rave" they used is a >party in which promoters exploit young kids. As much as we may say the >NDIC is full of propoganda that is trying to shut us down, frankly, >this description does appear to ring true very often. > >-s > >-----Original Message----- >From: Apollo [mailto:apollo@speakeasy.org] >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:46 PM >To: Mike Migurski; leslie ayres >Cc: DJ Howlin' Bob; sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my >thoughts, and a letter to greg) > > > > >Mike Migurski wrote: > >> A lot of people lost money, because they risked their cash on a >party that >> was presented as a sure bet. I think folks like Howlin' Bob have a >right >> to complain on this list, and if they use harsh words, then it just >> underscores the magnitude of what went wrong. While I may not agree >with >> some of Bob's opinions, I certainly think he has a right to be >pissed. > > >I agree with you, Mike. These are commercial enterprises, and they >are >marketing to people, some very young, entertainment that costs a great >deal >in both expectations and dollars. > >When you take $40-$50 from people you better have your damn operations >in >place. Again, these are NOT underground events where the community >participates in organizing and throwing them on a break even basis. > >I'm not as concerned for the promoters as I am for the kids. Someone >must >be their advocate in this. Someone must come forward and say: "You >are >accountable for the delivery of your advertised commercial party." > >And this is a family of dancers as well as DJs and promoters. If >someone is >feeling hurt, we should at least have the patience and compassion to >listen, >and then think creatively of ways in which this hurt can be prevented >in >future. > >Respect, > >Apollo > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69635-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 21:26:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16769 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 21:26:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16755 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 21:26:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725212529.39821.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Moe Tavakoli Reply-To: moetavakoli@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] The new Robert Miles Any one listen to it? I just picked it up and it's like New Age... Kinda disappointing! ===== _____________________________________________ Moe Tavakoli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69636-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 21:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24213 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 21:29:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24197 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 21:29:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.39.2.53] From: "j ->son" To: blindspot@mac.com Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:29:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 21:29:09.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[D763E660:01C11550] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] what i think of the panic button nrr You might actually see someone with no MORE life experience(s) everytime you watch the sun rise.... Muzik is the obsession.... Life is secondary... Or is it? Fucking Zeus! hmmmmmmmmmmm... 420 South First Steeet Billiards Downtown, SJ Come and experience life with me... ----Original Message Follows---- From: blindspot To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] what i think of the panic button nrr Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:07:54 -0700 Email is a weird medium. It makes people talk strangely. Where's the panic? Last time I looked out my window everything looked pretty peaceful. I've never met anyone with absolutely no life experience at all. I should think such a person does not exist, for what would they be? And what exactly is wrong with cultivating excitement and intrigue where there is none? I would think that's how most excitement and intrigue is born in the first place. -blindspot At 1:39 PM -0700 7/25/01, Geri Dahl wrote: >you know, i opened up my e-mail today, and a whole >bunch of you guys are sending out "panic" mail. why >are you >panicking? there is absolutely nothing going on. now, >perhaps that would merit a yawn or two, but basically, >your >freaking out about nothing. i can't stand it. i mean, >people who have absolutely no life experience at all >are >always looking for some excitement or intrigue where >excitement and intrigue exist not. yawn. BORING. :) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69637-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 21:49:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52540 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 21:49:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52529 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 21:49:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.112.32.195] From: "- Kitterman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:49:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 21:49:05.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[A03D10F0:01C11553] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] GIANNI'S FREE TAPE GIVE AWAY @ STEREOPHONIK !!!! -Sup Kidz If you haven't heard, Gianni's giving away free tapes to the 1st 50 that hit him up! $5 for a party & chance @ a free tape from Gianni! Here's tonight's line up in no particular order: Keith Edwards ARA Aloha Dave Gianni Cactus Club, 417 S. 1st St., San Jose $5 18 and up Peace, John _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69638-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 21:51:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54385 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 21:51:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54361 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 21:51:24 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010725145115.02da6008@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:51:54 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, and a letter to greg) Ticket go on sale tomorrow! Molestival! sarilion (I'm sick) At 02:35 PM 7/25/2001 -0700, Sameer Parekh wrote: > I recently skimmed through that National Drug Intelligence Center's >report on "raves". The basic description of a "rave" they used is a >party in which promoters exploit young kids. As much as we may say the >NDIC is full of propoganda that is trying to shut us down, frankly, >this description does appear to ring true very often. > >-s > >-----Original Message----- >From: Apollo [mailto:apollo@speakeasy.org] >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:46 PM >To: Mike Migurski; leslie ayres >Cc: DJ Howlin' Bob; sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my >thoughts, and a letter to greg) > > > > >Mike Migurski wrote: > > > A lot of people lost money, because they risked their cash on a >party that > > was presented as a sure bet. I think folks like Howlin' Bob have a >right > > to complain on this list, and if they use harsh words, then it just > > underscores the magnitude of what went wrong. While I may not agree >with > > some of Bob's opinions, I certainly think he has a right to be >pissed. > > >I agree with you, Mike. These are commercial enterprises, and they >are >marketing to people, some very young, entertainment that costs a great >deal >in both expectations and dollars. > >When you take $40-$50 from people you better have your damn operations >in >place. Again, these are NOT underground events where the community >participates in organizing and throwing them on a break even basis. > >I'm not as concerned for the promoters as I am for the kids. Someone >must >be their advocate in this. Someone must come forward and say: "You >are >accountable for the delivery of your advertised commercial party." > >And this is a family of dancers as well as DJs and promoters. If >someone is >feeling hurt, we should at least have the patience and compassion to >listen, >and then think creatively of ways in which this hurt can be prevented >in >future. > >Respect, > >Apollo > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69639-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 22:14:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77752 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 22:14:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77742 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 22:14:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.233.200.90] From: "Moco D" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:13:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 22:13:50.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[156122B0:01C11557] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] mixer recommendation? I'm looking for info/experiences with several mixers I've been looking into buying. Right now I think I've narrowed it down to three mixers: Rane MP/XP 2016, Vestax PMC 55 (50A), or the Pioneer DJM 600. I'm looking for a studio quality mixer that'll last. Does anyone have any feedback on these? Pros and cons? Other mixers? Ya know, all that good stuff. Thanks. Mo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69640-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 22:27:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91447 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 22:27:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91426 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 22:27:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725222644.39948.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Fraser To: giuki , DJ Howlin' Bob Cc: kandymanz@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Citys who pass "anti rave laws" get federal funding in new Anti Ecstasy Bill --- giuki wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, DJ Howlin' Bob wrote: > >"the Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001" > > > >that really says it all, huh? not "Ecstasy > Abatement" or "Ecstasy > >Control"..."Ecstacy Prevention." Freudian slip of > the year, i'd say. > > freudian slip? i wouldn't say so. the gov't (and > everyone else) is > well aware of the intentions of this bill. the whole > drug war is about > prevention, not "abatement" or "control". > > as far as this bill is concerned, i urge everyone to > call your > senators (which would be Dianne Feinstein and > Barbara Boxer for us > californians) and explain to them your opposition to > this bill. and if > you only call one senator, call Diane Feinstein that would be utterly pointless. Feinstein sponsored/ wrote last year's "bad bill of the year" - the anti-meth bill that had a "shut down all sources of objective drug information on the Internet and otherwise or go to prison for 5 years" line QUIETLY slipped in there - the bill was less about meth than furthering the authoritarism slowly taking over the US I am paraphrasing obviously, but you get the gist There were all sorts of bad things about that bill (not that meth isn't a problem, but trying to turn this country into a Christian version of China isn't going to solve anything) If the WO(S)D is to be stopped, Feinstien needs to be voted OUT Doug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69641-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 22:44:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1938 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 22:44:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1921 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 22:44:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.198.114.71] From: "Brandon @ Invibe" To: moco_d@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:43:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 22:43:47.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[445E4300:01C1155B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] DJ Equipment reviews - was mixer recommendation? since we are on the topic...does anyone know of any sites that review DJ equipment? like putting turntables head-to-head with features, etc? or compare mixers of similar prices? Epinions have a DJ equipment section? any DJ websites that write product reviews? ------------- < Brandon > http://www.invibe.com ------------- >From: "Moco D" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] mixer recommendation? >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:13:50 -0700 > >I'm looking for info/experiences with several mixers I've been looking into >buying. Right now I think I've narrowed it down to three mixers: Rane >MP/XP >2016, Vestax PMC 55 (50A), or the Pioneer DJM 600. I'm looking for a >studio >quality mixer that'll last. Does anyone have any feedback on these? Pros >and cons? Other mixers? Ya know, all that good stuff. Thanks. >Mo > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69642-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 22:50:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7699 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 22:50:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7686 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 22:50:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:49:59 -0700 From: Benjy Feen To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010725154959.I32360@pianosa.catch22.org> Mail-Followup-To: Benjy Feen , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: <4.3.1.0.20010725123658.02d798a0@qix.netcorps.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20010725123658.02d798a0@qix.netcorps.com>; from raver@sarilion.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:39:31PM -0700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] the area 51/consumer drama On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:39:31PM -0700, Raver wrote: > regardless of Apollo or Harmony, that is a HORRIBLE analogy. The flier > isn't the product, the party is. Buying a ticket to a party, with promises > on the flier, would be like bidding on a car that you've only seen some > nice pictures of. It Is your (the consumer) fault if you didn't bother to > ask about the engine, whether it runs, etc. When you buy a new Honda, you're paying for a vehicle, but you're also paying for quality, reliability, service, efficiency, and, if you're into Hondas, prestige. The company has a solid record of keeping its promises about the tangibles, and the intangibles like style and overall grooviness tend to be represented in ways that aren't misleading. Owners of Hondas tend to feel that they've gotten what they paid for, and they'll buy more Hondas in the future. If all you want is a Honda, I have a 5-speed '90 Civic LX I'll sell you for four grand. The paint color is listed as "champagne", though it's really kind of like a fluorescent beige. I promise that it's not a motorcycle and it will not try to date your sister. Either way, you can buy a car, but there are factors to be weighed. What do you want to end up having purchased? If you care whether it'll run tomorrow, or if you don't have a sister, you may wish to consider buying from a dealership. If you want to blow four thousand clams on an asthmatic shitcan with all the sex appeal of a leprous vicar, then I'm your hookup. I could say that my Honda will provide value that it doesn't really offer, like that it goes ninety miles on a tablespoon of peanut butter and that no fewer than three (3) honeys per fortnight will be riding your jock and/or jilly due to the self-evident flyness of your hoopty. If you believe me, and you have an interest in the peanut butter/jock factors, then $4,000 might seem like a fair price, and you might pay it. YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE THE VALUE WHICH INCITED YOU TO SPEND A METRIC ASSLOAD OF CASH ON A FUGLY JALOPY. You will get a car. It will even be the car that I used to own, so technically you did buy my car. But it will not be the car I put in your mind with my sly talky-talky. It isn't the car you agreed to pay for. A couple of pages ago you said, "It is your (the consumer) fault if you didn't bother to ask about the engine, whether it runs, etc." I'm not a lawyer, but I know that in the US laws exist that make it the responsibility of the seller not to fuck people over in certain ways. I can't sell my car by saying untrue things about it if I know they aren't true. You aren't obligated to engage me in a game of Find The Duct Tape if I know that the transmission has been replaced by a stuffed leopard and a wedge of Gouda. The disclosure laws are quite clear on that. Last weekend I paid ten bucks to enter a space where I partied for twenty-four hours straight and had one of the greatest times of my life. I have no idea what the permitting situation was, and I didn't care. That party was worth my $10 because the crew and individuals involved have shown repeatedly that they deliver *more than they promise*. That's both good business practice and a fantastic way to live your life. I would guess that the space was in fact permitted, and that known risks were mitigated or accepted and factored into the planning process, because that's the sort of folks they are. Whatever. It fucking rocked. Anyway, in summary, the purpose of business is to provide a product to a customer, and a product is the total value received in exchange for payment. Because someone ascribed properties to a party that the party didn't have, customers were paying for a product that didn't exist, And that's not cool. If you think it's okay to sell empty promises, I've got the perfect car for you. (And by the way, if you're into this kind of stuff, I think this is a pretty good book. It's kind of old, but it's totally no-nonsense. Please note that I get a kickback from Amazon if you buy it via this link.) Management : Tasks Responsibilities Practices by Peter Drucker http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0887306152/monkeybagel -- Benjy Feen benjy(AT)feen.com http://www.monkeybagel.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69643-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 22:53:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10720 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 22:53:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10710 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 22:53:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010725225246.43661.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Fraser To: DJ Howlin' Bob , giuki@attglobal.net Cc: kandymanz@earthlink.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Citys who pass "anti rave laws" get federal funding in new Anti Ecstasy Bill --- DJ Howlin' Bob wrote: > >On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, DJ Howlin' Bob wrote: > > >"the Ecstasy Prevention Act of 2001" > > > > > >that really says it all, huh? not "Ecstasy > Abatement" or "Ecstasy > > >Control"..."Ecstacy Prevention." Freudian slip > of the year, i'd say. > > > >freudian slip? i wouldn't say so. the gov't (and > everyone else) is > >well aware of the intentions of this bill. the > whole drug war is about > >prevention, not "abatement" or "control". > > perhaps i was excessively subtle in my original post > (that'd be a first, > huh?)...my point is that, if you read the actual > words, they can be taken to > mean that the government doesn't want to control a > *substance* called > "Ecstasy"...they want to prevent people experiencing > a *state* of ecstasy. > struck me as both funny and as unintentionally > revealing of the true > motivation behind such acts. there was a quote from the current DEA administrator during the hearings a few months ago along these lines - I don't have it handy, but it was basically that people were hallucinating when they felt "emotionally close" etc - not only was he arrogant enough to think he has the right to tell people they can't feel that way, he was presuming he had the authority or knowledge to judge their state of mind better than they could (i.e. they were hallucinating and not really feeling it) Doug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69644-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 22:57:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14393 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 22:57:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14383 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 22:57:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Migurski To: Benjy Feen cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010725154959.I32360@pianosa.catch22.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] the area 51/consumer drama Hi. This is one of the fucking greatest posts I've ever had the pleasure to read. >When you buy a new Honda, you're paying for a vehicle, but you're >also paying for quality, reliability, service, efficiency, and, if >you're into Hondas, prestige. The company has a solid record of >keeping its promises about the tangibles, and the intangibles like >style and overall grooviness tend to be represented in ways that >aren't misleading. Owners of Hondas tend to feel that they've >gotten what they paid for, and they'll buy more Hondas in the future. > >If all you want is a Honda, I have a 5-speed '90 Civic LX I'll sell >you for four grand. The paint color is listed as "champagne", though >it's really kind of like a fluorescent beige. I promise that it's >not a motorcycle and it will not try to date your sister. > >Either way, you can buy a car, but there are factors to be weighed. >What do you want to end up having purchased? If you care whether >it'll run tomorrow, or if you don't have a sister, you may wish to >consider buying from a dealership. If you want to blow four thousand >clams on an asthmatic shitcan with all the sex appeal of a leprous >vicar, then I'm your hookup. > >I could say that my Honda will provide value that it doesn't really >offer, like that it goes ninety miles on a tablespoon of peanut >butter and that no fewer than three (3) honeys per fortnight will >be riding your jock and/or jilly due to the self-evident flyness >of your hoopty. If you believe me, and you have an interest in the >peanut butter/jock factors, then $4,000 might seem like a fair >price, and you might pay it. YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE THE VALUE WHICH >INCITED YOU TO SPEND A METRIC ASSLOAD OF CASH ON A FUGLY JALOPY. >You will get a car. It will even be the car that I used to own, so >technically you did buy my car. But it will not be the car I put >in your mind with my sly talky-talky. It isn't the car you agreed to >pay for. > >A couple of pages ago you said, "It is your (the consumer) fault >if you didn't bother to ask about the engine, whether it runs, etc." > >I'm not a lawyer, but I know that in the US laws exist that make >it the responsibility of the seller not to fuck people over in >certain ways. I can't sell my car by saying untrue things about >it if I know they aren't true. You aren't obligated to engage me >in a game of Find The Duct Tape if I know that the transmission has >been replaced by a stuffed leopard and a wedge of Gouda. The >disclosure laws are quite clear on that. > >Last weekend I paid ten bucks to enter a space where I partied for >twenty-four hours straight and had one of the greatest times of my >life. I have no idea what the permitting situation was, and I didn't >care. That party was worth my $10 because the crew and individuals >involved have shown repeatedly that they deliver *more than they >promise*. That's both good business practice and a fantastic way >to live your life. I would guess that the space was in fact >permitted, and that known risks were mitigated or accepted and >factored into the planning process, because that's the sort of folks >they are. Whatever. It fucking rocked. > >Anyway, in summary, the purpose of business is to provide a product >to a customer, and a product is the total value received in >exchange for payment. Because someone ascribed properties to a >party that the party didn't have, customers were paying for a product >that didn't exist, And that's not cool. If you think it's okay to >sell empty promises, I've got the perfect car for you. > >(And by the way, if you're into this kind of stuff, I think this is a >pretty good book. It's kind of old, but it's totally no-nonsense. Please >note that I get a kickback from Amazon if you buy it via this link.) > >Management : Tasks Responsibilities Practices by Peter Drucker >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0887306152/monkeybagel > >-- >Benjy Feen >benjy(AT)feen.com >http://www.monkeybagel.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski mike@cloudfactory.org tel:415.385.1993 AIM:migurski http://www.viberation.com/mike ICQ:47513232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lying in the gutter, but we're looking at the stars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69645-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 23:21:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34636 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 23:21:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34626 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 23:21:19 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010725162012.00b90bf8@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:21:44 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] That Virus If they give you shit about being removed from their list, contact their webhost, cihost: http://www.cihost.com/ or call the domain owner: Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Flugger, Jarrett (JF5848) jcflugger@MYSELF.COM North Bay Raider Boosters 983 Ventnor Ave Windsor, CA 95492 707.368.2535 (FAX) 619-552-8904 sarilion At 12:08 PM 7/25/2001 -0700, Cheese wrote: >Email Vilma Reyes at promowrtu@hotmail.com .... she was the first person to >start that whole email game of tag... i think she actually created the whole >list... or goto www.abandonedwreckords.com and email them specifically... >like me, i'm emailing both Vilma and complaints@abandonedwreckords.com > >Just make sure that you dont send an email to >cdpoolus01@abandonedwreckords.com or you will receive about 100 >undeliverable messages... > >I DO NOT think that by executing the virus, you get added to the list... I >think that the list is a a bunch of email addresses that she had collected >to send out spam about there CD Pool, much like a Record Pool... damn i hat >spam! > >Hope that helps > >Timothy >**Cheese** >itswidow@hotmail.com >http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Istyly Productions Mailing list acct:" >To: >Sent: July 25, 2001 11:35 AM >Subject: [sfraves] That Virus > > > > hello everyone ok this is how that virus worked. > > The email you got said something like "hey its me Ive put together this >document can you take a look at it" bla bla bla. > > well the virus was actully responding to that email. Anyone that responded >to the email was placed on a mailing list named >"cdpoolus01abandonedwreckords" > > so now people are responing to the list asking to be removed and its >sending the request to everyone on the list. So if you get an email from >that address listed about dont respond to it cause it will add your name to >the list and then your done. I have already deleted over 1000 email that >keep circulating so be carefull. Also if anyone on the list can help me get >off that list please email me. > > thanks > > --- > > Thanks! Please party and play safe. > > > > > > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69646-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 23:27:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40691 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 23:27:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40680 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 23:27:42 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010725162724.00b903e0@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:28:07 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Raver In-Reply-To: References: <3B5F1278.F435B66@globalparty.com> <003e01c1153f$56cc7f50$280110ac@nick> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! been an active raver for close to 3 years. Never been to a Mega-Buzz. Never will. sarilion At 12:41 PM 7/25/2001 -0700, Clifford Brown wrote: >oh and im not with feel good i can just read the flyer > > >------------------------------------ >Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! >http://www.eboom.com/free/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Clifford Brown >To: Ecko ; Cheese ; SFRaves > >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:37 PM >Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > How did I know you would step in with the smart ass remark. Its the buzz > > lines 8year aniversary and the 6th anual Mega buzz massive... You really > > need to take it easy. > > > > Dancin for SMILES =) > > Cliff > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ecko > > To: Cheese ; SFRaves > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > > > > Yah...8 years strong? Is that why this is # 6 > > > Nick > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cheese" > > > To: ; "SFRaves" > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > > > > > > > So just out of curiosity, do you guys guys have a venue yet? > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > **Cheese** > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Feel Good" > > > > To: "SFRaves" > > > > Sent: July 25, 2001 11:39 AM > > > > Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite the rummers being circulated by the disrespectful faction of > > > > > this 'industry', MEGGA-BUZZ IS DEFINITELY happening on SATURDAY >SEPT. > > > > > 1st for the 6th straight year in a row on Labor Day Weekend, as > > > > > anticipated. > > > > > > > > > > MEGGA-BUZZ is more then a fantastic party to celebrate the >anniversary > > > > > of the BUZZ-LINE, but it's a part of the Bay Area Dance Culture > > > > > TRADITION. It's an integrated part of our local culture, and the > > > > > most established 'consistently occurring' annual Massive that >northern > > > > > california has ever known. > > > > > > > > > > Just like you KNOW you can pick up the phone and call the BUZZ-LINE >@ > > > > > 650-569-3300 (always for FREE) and get the scoop on parties and >clubs > > > > > happening that night... YOU KNOW that MEGGA-BUZZ is always >celebrated > > on > > > > > Labor Day Weekend to Showcase and REPRESENT the Bay Area sound and > > vibe > > > > > to the rest of the world!!! Both Megga-Buzz & The Buzz-Line hold > > the > > > > > record for being the 2 most consistent aspects of this scene... 8 > > YEARS > > > > > STRONG!!! > > > > > > > > > > So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty > > > > > obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... >Because > > > > > EVERYONE goes to MEGGA-BUZZ... Not just because it's a incredible > > party, > > > > > but because it's a TRADITION... and there is NOTHING stronger then a > > > > > fundamental community tradition. > > > > > You have all heard people throw around the phrase "Keep it Alive" >and > > > > > "Keep the Vibe Alive"... well it's all a reference to supporting our > > > > > traditions, so future generations can experience what we sometimes > > take > > > > > for granted. Without support for traditions, our community would > > > > > disappear. > > > > > > > > > > See you all on Sept. 1st... Keep it alive... Vlad > > > > > http://www.globalparty.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69647-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 23:28:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42360 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 23:28:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42321 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 23:28:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.184.215] From: "His Highness" To: brandonplank@hotmail.com, sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:27:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 23:27:51.0258 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C1793A0:01C11561] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: I disagree/ wasMEGGA-BUZZ >From: "B to the P" >To: sacraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: MEGGA-BUZZ >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:42:04 -0600 > ><party,but because it's a TRADITION... >> > >NOOOOOO Halloween Tribal Massive was Tradition. BASICS, ,FREEDOM, COME >UNITY and THE GATHERING were tradition. > >new skool kids don't respect and honor tradition... if they did, those old >school events would still happen. > >thats just my thoughts > >B > I beg to differ. Old school events no longer happen because sadly, Old schoolers have chosen to no longer participate in the process ( see: http://www.liquidcafe.com/cents.html ). Take a look around at the parties that are popping off around the city and surrounding areas, it's all being thrown by young, inexperienced promoters whose frame of reference go back a mere two years or less. To many new promoters, the ultimate underground party was the cyberfest in fresno last summer Old schoolers have no one but themselves to blame for the lack of knowledge and historical perspective absent with so many current production crews. Old schoolers dropped out of the rave scene years ago. We had an opportunity to teach but we squandered our legacy. You can't know where to go, if you know not from whence you came. Just my opinion, Paulie Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69648-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 23:39:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51728 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 23:39:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51712 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 23:39:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:40:56 -0600 From: TheNetworkGirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <00b301c1155a$dec559c0$6401a8c0@esl.snfc21.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wRHVjsvZDBxHXC1yoI3puA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Wanna BBQ Sunday July 29th Tilden Park? --Boundary_(ID_wRHVjsvZDBxHXC1yoI3puA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey there, We are having a casual BBQ at Tilden Park and your welcome to come--- food and swimming in the lake! Please RSVP if you want to spend a relaxing day in a beautiful park http://www.thenetworkgirl.com/invite/ TheNetworkGirl http://www.thenetworkgirl.com "Artists Welcome" --Boundary_(ID_wRHVjsvZDBxHXC1yoI3puA)-- From sfraves-return-69649-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 23:53:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62024 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 23:53:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62009 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 23:53:07 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:04:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RAID IN ST. LOUIS: PERSONAL ACCOUNT This personal account of the horrific police raid on a rave in St. Louis was taken from the most recent YOUUPGRADEmag published by Fraser Clark. THE BARNEY SONG: A PERSONAL ACCOUNT OF THE RAID. The helicopter circled twice, and then the police came in, Colombian drug war style, guns pulled and ready to be used. Jeff was assumed to be in charge, and was handcuffed and put into the back of the police car. They told us that he was not under arrest. They simply stated that they had a search warrant and that his name was on it. They refused to show him the warrant. They laid it on his lap folded up with his hands behind his back so he couldn't see it. Jeff was not in charge. The property owner, Ronnie McRaven, was not served with the warrant as he should have been. No buildings that I am aware of on his property were searched, which is what the search warrant allowed. Mr. McRaven was not given any papers. Even the inventory sheets stating what was confiscated were given to Jeff. After their grand entrance, the police ran to the camping area and rounded up all the kids. The kids were made to put their hands behind their heads, line up single file, and march to the large pavilion where they were commanded very forcefully to sit. During most of this I was questioning the sheriff about why they were doing this to Jeff, so I missed a lot of the initial actions by the police.) I was then commanded to go to the pavilion myself. Upon arrival at the pavilion, I made a couple of comments about how wrong this was and that we had rights. I was threatened by a police officer and told to shut up and sit down on the concrete. I told him that I was pregnant and couldn't sit on the concrete floor, and after a brief argument with him was finally allowed to sit on a bench. There were, in my estimate, a little over 100 people being held against their will in the pavilion upon my arrival. A few more lingered in as time passed. The police separated the staff of the event from the rest of the guests, and moved the staff to the back of the pavilion. AJ used a cell phone, and contacted the ACLU and some media. After about an hour, everyone was searched, and I mean everyone, including kids around the ages of 7 and 8. Some people like Jason Starko blatantly told the police that he did not consent to the search, and was told that he would be taken to jail if he did not let them search him. During the entire fiasco from entrance to ending, a man was taping with a video camera. One of the hostages tried to tape the searches, and the video camera was confiscated by the Missouri State Hwy Patrol. When it was my turn to be searched, I stated that I did not consent to this search and the police officer continued with the search. During this time, AJ was reading from the ACLU rights card, and the police kept telling him to shut up. The police, in their discussions amongst themselves, were saying that the only way to shut him up would be to arrest him. The morale of the kids was good through this entire ordeal, they sang various songs while being held at the pavilion, including the Barney song. When the police had finished their search of the cars and the people, all the guests were made to line up single file and give their social security numbers, names, and date of birth to officers in police cars, who then radioed in to check for active warrants. After giving our names and information, we were allowed to walk about the property and gather our things. "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69650-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Jul 25 23:56:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67098 invoked by uid 1104); 25 Jul 2001 23:56:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 67088 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 23:56:36 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:07:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: ECOSYSTEM 1.0 And upcoming events around the globe...Ecosystem 1.0 in Brazil next month. Wish I had the time and bucks to attend:) Apollo AUG 2-5 ECOSYSTEM 1.0 Right in the middle of the beautiful Amazon rainforest, Brazilian & New York promoter Liquid Sky are organising a four-day event, Ecosystem 1.0. Officially supported by Greenpeace, the aim is to produce an ecologically friendly event and help raise awareness and support for Greenpeace and "other non-governmental corporations that help protect the environment, local population and indigenous people". Greenpeace was invited specifically by the promoters to propose ecological solutions that will help the event have as little impact as possible on the Amazon forest, and show that it's possible to put on large events using clean projects. Ecosystem 1.0 is to become a model of environmental preservation. "The environment is an integrated part of the new generation, and this generation has chosen electronic music as its soundtrack. Greenpeace will help us to point out some paths for this generation" said promoter DJ Soulslinger. The idea is that the expected 5,000 -10,000 visitors from around the globe, participate in the event without leaving behind a trail of destruction. "The people will have the opportunity learn how the Amazon really is through workshops and presentations from local people. The event is to serve as a way of communicating how important it is to preserve the largest tropical forest in the world," explains Rebecca Lerer of Greenpeace Amazon. Technologies like solar panels and biologic sewage treatment are to be incorporated in the project. "As well as the separation and recycling of rubbish, collective transport is a priority. Chemicals like chloride and foods that have been genetically modified will also be avoided" The event features top electronic acts and DJs from around the globe: Afrika Bambaataa, JJ Frost, Mixmaster Morris, Bryan Gee, Mad Professor Lamb, DJ Craze, Randall, Kenny Ken, Simon ‘Bassline’ Smith, Zion-I and Mixmaster Morris are just some of the confirmed line-up, with Armand Van Helden, A Guy Call Gerald, Moby, DJ Krush, Grooverider, and DJ Trace to be confirmed. The event is supported in the UK by drum n bass bible Knowledge magazine. Affordable tour packages are available from camping to 5star hotel. Contact SoulSlinger at liquidskymusic@hotmail.com or alex@knowledgemag.co.uk "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69651-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 00:13:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78206 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 00:13:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78196 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 00:13:48 -0000 Message-ID: <045101c11567$7bb0e590$18dbf7a5@sauoq> From: "A. Nonymous" To: , References: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:11:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Massives and the scene. Apollo wrote: > But it doesn't matter what you and I think, A. Nonymous. Many younger > members in the scene think they are going to raves when they buy a ticket to > a commercial event or massive. And we as a community must deal with these > beliefs and, I think, help safeguard our younger members from unethical > practices or sheer incompetence of commercial promoters. I agree with everything you say, Apollo, except that I believe it does matter what you and I think. As a method of dealing with "these beliefs," I recommend that we underscore the distinction between commercial events and raves. That's the kind of education that will best benefit our younger members. I'm not suggesting that we turn our backs on the people that attend commercial events, but I think we should turn our backs on the events themselves. With regard to all you've said in this post and in previous ones about protecting our younger members from unethical or incompetent promoters, I fully support you. But, again, the best way to safeguard them is to educate them because we simply don't have any control over the promoters themselves. What do we teach them? Unethical practices and incompetence are fairly widespread in every commercial market. I don't really see it as our responsibility to teach everyone to be savvy consumers. It is our responsibility, however, to explain to everyone that will listen that commercial events, though disguised as part of the scene, aren't based on the same tenets that our community is. Having an understanding of that is exactly what will allow our younger members to participate more fully in the scene later on. Taking the stand that the commercial scene is not the genuine scene will also protect us when the commercial scene does operate with a "let the buyer beware" attitude, which it is bound to do on occasion whether we accept it or not. As an aside, I think that Greg's apology to this list was fine and good, but basically ineffective. The fact is that we weren't his real market. Perhaps he should buy some airtime on the same stations that ran his commercials and apologize to the people he advertised to. Maybe he should print up some apology flyers and pass them out. I suspect that he won't do any such thing, not because it isn't in his heart to do so, but because it wouldn't make sense if you looked at it from the ledger's bottom line. (Actually, if he has the money, I think it would probably prove to be an excellent business decision, but there wouldn't be any way to quantify the results.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69652-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 00:47:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 554 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 00:47:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 544 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 00:47:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.165.54.16] From: "'LoOnDrOp' ......" To: invibe@hotmail.com, moco_d@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:46:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 00:46:40.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F339FB0:01C1156C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] DJ Equipment reviews - was mixer recommendation? im not sure bout any sites that compare equipment or that you would even want to make a purchase based on a website. the thing to do is to go out and try the equipment you wanna buy. look around at shops that will let you give it a test. BUT...heres my humble opinions: pioneer DJM600- neat, got a lot of cool stuff-sampler, looper, bpm counters, built in effects processor, adjustable crossfader curves. question: this is all cool shit...will you use all of it??? rane mixers: i havent played with one yet, but ive been warned that if i give one a try ill never want anything else. nuff said. Vestax PMC55: very nice mixer. i like the vestax models 'cause the fader bars and knob controls are all very stiff. industrial feel to them. lots cool stuff on the 55...but again will you use it all. i dunno what if any mixer you have or are using now. personally im using a Vestax PMC270/MKII and i friggin love it, although the crossfader curve is incredibly sharp (good for scratching, not so good fer trace.) anyways...go out to a shop that will let you play with the toys before ya buy em. if ya want i can prolly recomend a few in the east bay...lemme know. -LoOnDrOp "Im not a Slacker, i just refuse to cooperate with society" "If my life could be compared to a video game, it would have to be Pac-Man...running around in dark rooms, grooving to cool tunes, and munching on lttle pills" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69653-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:11:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23693 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:11:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23683 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:11:50 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c11570$e252c440$a388f7d1@brak> From: "Emily Edwards" To: "SFR" References: <3B5F1278.F435B66@globalparty.com> <003e01c1153f$56cc7f50$280110ac@nick> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:18:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! Whoa there sparky! I don't think Nick is the one who needs to chill. He may have just been pointing something out, or making a joke...believe it or not, Nick is a pretty funny guy...but I don't expect you to know that. Thanks for clarifying tho about the 8 year vs. #6 thing. So chhhhiiiiiiilllllll my friend =) nuthing but luuuv for ya! ~*Emily*~ www.core-nrg.net Freedom defined is freedom denied... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Brown" To: "Clifford Brown" ; "Ecko" ; "Cheese" ; "SFRaves" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > oh and im not with feel good i can just read the flyer > > > ------------------------------------ > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Clifford Brown > To: Ecko ; Cheese ; SFRaves > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > How did I know you would step in with the smart ass remark. Its the buzz > > lines 8year aniversary and the 6th anual Mega buzz massive... You really > > need to take it easy. > > > > Dancin for SMILES =) > > Cliff > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ecko > > To: Cheese ; SFRaves > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > > > > Yah...8 years strong? Is that why this is # 6 > > > Nick > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cheese" > > > To: ; "SFRaves" > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > > > > > > > So just out of curiosity, do you guys guys have a venue yet? > > > > > > > > Timothy > > > > **Cheese** > > > > itswidow@hotmail.com > > > > http://www.BayAreaRavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Feel Good" > > > > To: "SFRaves" > > > > Sent: July 25, 2001 11:39 AM > > > > Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - READ THIS IF YOU CARE!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite the rummers being circulated by the disrespectful faction of > > > > > this 'industry', MEGGA-BUZZ IS DEFINITELY happening on SATURDAY > SEPT. > > > > > 1st for the 6th straight year in a row on Labor Day Weekend, as > > > > > anticipated. > > > > > > > > > > MEGGA-BUZZ is more then a fantastic party to celebrate the > anniversary > > > > > of the BUZZ-LINE, but it's a part of the Bay Area Dance Culture > > > > > TRADITION. It's an integrated part of our local culture, and the > > > > > most established 'consistently occurring' annual Massive that > northern > > > > > california has ever known. > > > > > > > > > > Just like you KNOW you can pick up the phone and call the BUZZ-LINE > @ > > > > > 650-569-3300 (always for FREE) and get the scoop on parties and > clubs > > > > > happening that night... YOU KNOW that MEGGA-BUZZ is always > celebrated > > on > > > > > Labor Day Weekend to Showcase and REPRESENT the Bay Area sound and > > vibe > > > > > to the rest of the world!!! Both Megga-Buzz & The Buzz-Line hold > > the > > > > > record for being the 2 most consistent aspects of this scene... 8 > > YEARS > > > > > STRONG!!! > > > > > > > > > > So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty > > > > > obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... > Because > > > > > EVERYONE goes to MEGGA-BUZZ... Not just because it's a incredible > > party, > > > > > but because it's a TRADITION... and there is NOTHING stronger then a > > > > > fundamental community tradition. > > > > > You have all heard people throw around the phrase "Keep it Alive" > and > > > > > "Keep the Vibe Alive"... well it's all a reference to supporting our > > > > > traditions, so future generations can experience what we sometimes > > take > > > > > for granted. Without support for traditions, our community would > > > > > disappear. > > > > > > > > > > See you all on Sept. 1st... Keep it alive... Vlad > > > > > http://www.globalparty.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69654-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:28:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32137 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:28:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32116 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:28:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these people or let them in their venue. what does anyone think about this... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69655-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:32:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33836 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:32:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33822 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:32:06 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c11570$71c5e680$0206a8c0@josh> Reply-To: "Josh.Illion" From: "Josh.Illion" To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" , "Deepfog" References: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:15:21 -0700 Organization: Elysium Music International MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting Many promoters whom work together already do this just not on a offical list. The problem with having a "offical list" is crews would be BL'ing each other over petty shit. Just my toughts. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deepfog" To: "SFRavEs Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting > someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a > good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a > blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort > to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist > would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things > that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > > all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these > people or let them in their venue. > > what does anyone think about this... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69656-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:32:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35054 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:32:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35044 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:32:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.91.20.10] From: "... ! ..." To: deepfog@deepfog.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:31:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 01:31:28.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0D8FC70:01C11572] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting I think Joseph McCarthy thought it was a fabulous idea. - Qubit >From: Deepfog >To: SFRavEs Mailing List >Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 > >someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a >good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a >blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort >to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist >would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things >that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > >all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these >people or let them in their venue. > >what does anyone think about this... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69657-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:32:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36360 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:32:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36349 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:32:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.111.119.153] From: "craig newman" To: deepfog@deepfog.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:31:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 01:31:52.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFA6CFC0:01C11572] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting Wack dude, thats lame! >From: Deepfog >To: SFRavEs Mailing List >Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 > >someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a >good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a >blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort >to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist >would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things >that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > >all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these >people or let them in their venue. > >what does anyone think about this... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69658-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:33:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39021 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:33:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 39011 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:33:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:37:22 -0700 From: Jacob - SFDance In-reply-to: To: Deepfog Cc: Sfraves Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] blacklisting Great idea... Except sometimes people make mistakes that can be forgiven. There are certain clubs/promoters who SFDance will not list in the newsletter for various reasons... -Jacob www.sfdance.org -----Original Message----- From: Deepfog [mailto:deepfog@deepfog.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:27 PM To: SFRavEs Mailing List Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these people or let them in their venue. what does anyone think about this... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69659-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:41:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45335 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:41:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45306 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:41:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726014108.28290.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: J Wyttenbach To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] DJ Equipment reviews - was mixer recommendation? I'm currently using a Rane MM8z which i love to death, but wish had a gain control knob. if money is no limit, and you realize that effects sound cheeeeezy, here are my suggestions to you: top of the list: Rane MP2016/XP2016 http://www.rane.com/mp2016.html this is a crazy clean roatary mixer (volume knobs instead of faders) with heavy solid knobs well spaced from each other. crisp sound, lots of headroom (read no distorted signal going into your system) no frills mixer. its great sound comes at a price nearing 2000 dollars 2. Allen and Heath Zone 32 3 channel mixer w/ a FOUR band EQ and a true analog filter (none of that cheezy pioneer digital filter you can spot a mile away) very very solid mixer w/ lots of head room....the only thing i dont like is that the volume fader knobs are very small, so line mixing takes a lil geting used to, and the eq knobs are a bit small 3. PMC46 MKII another no frills rotary mixer...4 separate channels w/ crossfader, 3 band eq...great feeling knobs, and neet looking level meters ;) 4. Pioneer DJM600 its a good mixer...it does its job....but there is no head room on the mixer, so its very easy to send distorted signals to the soundsystem. the knobs and sliders feel very loose and cheep. There is an effects module on this mixer, which is very easy to use, but sounds very cheesy. you'll probably run into this mixer more than any other mixer if you're playing out, so for that reason you might want to grab this one and learn it inside out, BUT that would be the only reason i'd suggest buying this one...and i definately dont think thats a good enuff reason for the 1100 pricetag... maybe if you have some price limits as to what u want to spend on a mixer might help in getting u better help.. J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69660-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:46:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48957 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:46:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48947 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:46:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.165.54.16] From: "'LoOnDrOp' ......" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:45:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 01:45:22.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[A22F6810:01C11574] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] blacklisting blacklisting? with such a gossipy group of people on this mailing list i think that would be a bad idea. besides....if you only want specific people at yer party...only invite that tight list of people who know how to keep a secret. and i think its asking to have trouble at the door. someone finds out they are on a blacklist, they get upset, they bring back troublesome friends with them....pretty soon you're calling the cops on your own party. not good news. just my mindless opinion. -LoOnDrOp "im not a slacker, i just refuse to cooperate with society" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69661-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:52:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52179 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:52:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 52169 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:52:48 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.91.20.108] From: "... ! ..." To: leslie.ayres@sflnc.com, djhbomb999@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:51:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 01:51:48.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[888AA8B0:01C11575] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: My Two Pence I'm still not entirely clear why this party burned, but I suppose that's the benefit of being 3,000 miles thither and shut out of Hotmail for a few days. At any rate, Harmony has thrown one of the balls-out best parties I've ever been to. I'm disappointed that the stars weren't right for this one, but them's the fucking breaks, you know? There was some reason for some person among all who tried to attend that outweighed letting this party go forward. Perhaps someone was just too close to the end of their rope and would have lost it otherwise. The real question steaming at the back of my mind is what did those kids do with their night instead. How did a thousand people handle life's little curveball? What did they learn in that night in their isolated corner of a twisted world? That, to me, is one true essence of a party, whether you ever end up getting there or not. The minute that party was shut down, each person's $42 became little green pieces of paper. Not much to bitch about, is it? - Qubit >From: "leslie ayres" >To: "DJ Howlin' Bob" , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, >and a letter to greg) >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:03:02 -0700 > >so, dj howlin' bob, > >i've been staying out of the fray on this conversation, because greg and >dutch are friends of mine, because i know how hard it is to pull off large >(or small) events and because i felt it best. > >but... you have just called some of the most steadfast and committed >promoters in the bay area scene -- you know, the scene that you are so >happy >to find, the one that you say gives you a new perspective on the world, the >one that thrills you so? -- you have just called them "incompetent and >apparently crooked" and "liars" and "thieves" -- > >and you have called the people who have attended their events over the past >many years (yes, howlin' bob, they've been providing the kind of parties >that set the standard for many many years, long before you discovered it >and >became instantly the judge of all that happens) -- you have called that >community of people "camp-followers who blindly defend them and insult our >intelligence in the process" -- and bob, that would be me, and hundreds on >this list, and many thousands of people from the bay area scene. people >who >have had life-changing experiences at harmony events and at area 51 and >other events of dutch's. > >i don't know you yet, but you have crossed a line. > >so, i humbly request that you take a large step down from your high horse >and take a little more time to learn about the real history of our scene, >to >understand the real complexities of doing events that are not in clubs and >bars, and understand that sometimes we offer respect in our scene based on >experience and real contribution. > >greg sandler and dutch have earned the standing they have in our community. >did something get major screwed up for this event? yes it did. is that >upsetting? yes it is. i am very upset by it for a number of reasons -- >which >is why i didn't post about the situation -- > >but does that give you the right, the information, the privilege of calling >them crooks and insulting the people who have attended their legendary >parties over many years? > >no, sir, it does not. > >our culture is built on a foundation of peace, love, respect and unity -- >and not just when things are all happy and rosy -- choosing to live from a >place with these values isn't something that you forget when you get a >little upset or don't like something that happens. > >our culture is not created as an economic model, and it's simply not >appropriate to use corporate structures to try to define it. we are >creating >something new. i am a businessperson, and i know that it can be challenging >to incorporate these values into "business" conversations, too -- but if >you >take on these values as a way to approach life, then you can't go around >calling people names and acting as if people who create dance event >experiences are expected to think like corporate executives. it's just not >a >reasonable expectation. it's the behavior of a consumer, and our culture is >not built on consumerism -- it's built on community contribution. > >a thread i see in many of the people complaining about area 51 is that they >didn't get their "merchandise" -- they perceive of themselves a consumer, >and it's like they drove up to the window at burger king and ordered their >damned value meal, and they didn't get what they asked for. and even when >they do get what they ordered, they complain that it wasn't up to their >standards. human nature? i don't really think so -- i think it's arrogance >and lack of personal responsibility for creating the world around them. > >our scene suffers when it's viewed as a consumer item, and as soon as we >start to see ourselves as simply consumers who trade money for recreation >-- >rather than as part of the creation of an event -- then the heart and soul >is gone. > >we are -- all of us who ever attend dance events -- a movement that is in >fact a paradigm shift in our culture, and when you're dealing with a >paradigm shift, things are going to be very rocky sometimes. but we can >weather that, by working together to understand, and by creating a world in >which our subculture is able to operate without irrational pressure from >people who don't understand us. a world where we remember the principles on >which we are based, no matter what. > >if you consider yourself a part of this subculture, if you see the power of >dancing together to trance-inducing music, if you see the power of a >culture >where everyone is accepted (i'd think that you'd realize how powerful that >is -- you know, not every youth culture opens its arms to the older >generation in the way the rave scene does), if you believe that what we >have >is worth protecting as it blooms, then you might want to reconsider your >post insulting so many key people in our scene, people who have made >incredible contributions to many of us in our lives. > >do we make mistakes? yes, we all do. but casting out the people who have >been an integral part in building this subculture over the past years >because something went wrong is pathetic. > >leslie > > >---------- > >From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" > >To: Amber@technohead.co.uk, cloude_sf@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re:Jaded Old-schoolers / was AREA 51 (my thoughts, >and a letter to greg) > >Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2001, 11:27 AM > > > > >enough of the tired, irrelevant argument that Area 51's problems were in > >some way due to governmental malfeasance. It has been well established >that > >the Area 51 people did not obtain their permits in a proper and timely > >fashion, and to attempt to shift the blame from A51's incompetence to the > >Big Bad Government Wolf (or, as Sandler did, to the Anon Salon people) >is, > >simply, bullshit. and as to your ageist jive: > > > >>So perhaps you should look into either growing all the way up and Quit > >>going to parties all together because it's cramping your lifestyle or > >>calming down a bit and realizing how hard it is for promoters once in a > >>while. > > > >perhaps incompetent and apparently crooked promoters--and the >camp-followers > >who blindly defend them and insult our intelligence in the >process--should > >look into either delivering what they promise for the price of the >tickets > >they sell, or into growing all the way up and getting a job which doesn't > >involve lying to and stealing from the community they exploit while > >purporting to "serve" it. > > > >--hb > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69662-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:56:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54171 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:56:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54161 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:56:16 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.91.20.108] From: "... ! ..." To: deepfog@deepfog.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:55:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 01:55:16.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[042D81E0:01C11576] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting One more itty, bitty detail: who keeps the list? - Q >From: Deepfog >To: SFRavEs Mailing List >Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 > >someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a >good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a >blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort >to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist >would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things >that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > >all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these >people or let them in their venue. > >what does anyone think about this... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69663-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 01:58:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55824 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 01:58:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55814 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 01:58:23 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.31.96.161] From: "innocentchild  " To: loondrop@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:57:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 01:57:22.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F98C220:01C11576] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] so you wanna start blacklisting huh?? so you want to start blacklisting huh? Ok here's how that works. You have to have a majority rule on who is blacklisted on sfraves. Pain in the ass if you haven't noticed... As a member of sfraves I might not agree with all of the members, but it's that which keeps this site thriving. Yeah I don't like how nick mouths off because he can, yet at the same rate he can do that if he wants to and who am I to say he can't?? when I asked the list not to attend Blake's last Thursday I *asked* and never told anyone not to. I know a lot of drama has been stirred up over that email. I'm sorry about that because it never was my intent. Blacklisting seems to go back to the days of the union busters and that's just not kewl here. blah blah blah - we're supposed to be on the same side and all, but we have a lot of different opinions making is hard. the common factor here is that we all just want to have a good time with our friends and hope that we can carry on the psrties as we would like to see, in an open environment. there are so many subgroups and for one group to be determined the *correct* group would be a complete travesty to our purpose. I'm personally working on sucking it up and ignoring that which I consider BS in my life from SFR. Not easy, but in the end worth it. I don't want to be another jaded, hateful individual on the list. I care too much to be like that, even if that's where I've been headed. Each person here needs to figure out what *they* want and need and needs to pursue that. we might not all agree, but such is life. Make it a better place for yourself. If you want to do more than take pride in what you can offer our scene that we argue so passionately over. later from atlanta... ryan sninesix.design +nrg.says.grrr.rrr.rrr! evil.is.live cel: 925.997.7955 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69664-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 02:45:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79343 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 02:45:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79324 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 02:45:54 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [12.72.205.100] From: "Ben R." To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:44:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 02:44:51.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[F14F2B30:01C1157C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! "So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... Because EVERYONE goes to MEGGA-BUZZ " Everyone...huh, Vlad?!... well, as I remember right after last year's MB...you were bitching bout how we didn't show 'nuff support for your party...and that thanx to that we will neva be able to get HomeBase back...I guess this shows that EVERYONE doesn't go 2 MEGGA-BUZZ...and esp this year, i think Mekka is a wiser choice anyways! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69665-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 03:03:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87846 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 03:03:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87836 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 03:03:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.47.7.194] From: "... ! ..." To: deepfog@deepfog.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:02:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 03:02:13.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EA0A220:01C1157F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting All, You can tell this irks me because I keep coming back to it. These past few days have been angry ones, and since I have an English paper due tomorrow that I am explicitly avoiding, I'm going to rant on this for a minute. It suprises me deeply that Deepfog would be one to post this sort of question to the list. I associate integrity with your name, and I'm going to continue to do so under the understanding that this is posed for an attempt at impartiality. So... please don't take anything that follows personally, lest you get the wrong impression. Anyone who has the gaul to start publicly generating names of people/groups/causes who don't fit the "criteria" of acceptable standards of behavior is BADLY in need of a hug. It is bad enough that entire groups of heads with noteworthy credentials strut this sanctimonious attitude that if one knew the "right" person in some way or another, one would stumble upon a whole spectrum of off the hook parties that happen each and every day in the Lovely Bay Area. It's like, "you don't have enough good karma to hang with us." That's crap. One shouldn't have to know the secret Cloudfactory handshake or have the Viberation decoder ring to be drawn to a quintesentially defining party. The learning curve in IDM is steep enough without getting the ego involved. Establishing a list in which one puts oneself explicitly out of reach of a person who made a bad decision or didn't understand the implications of her actions declares that one has never been in that position oneself. And that IS bullshit. I don't care if it was in this lifetime or one a thousand shades ago, everyone has to learn the hard way. What kind of redemption do you think you're selling if you assume the name of St. Peter and stand at the pearly gates? I understand that this is a practice that already goes on informally, and it's just one step farther down the line of, "well, so-and-so is never asked to play at large parties because he like to put such-and-such in his sets." But, at least informally there is some measure of anonymity that allows the ignorant to transcend the glass ceiling. Personally, I don't suspect I would ever be subject to appearing on such a list, but then again, how the hell should I know if you don't like the way I dance? If you see that there is a kink in my groove or that I look interminably angry, then you should try to teach me out of it, not cast me back into the fire so we have to repeat this over and over again. And, I guess its about time to say that I'm not sure I'm going to return to San Francisco any time soon. The gift of music you all have had for so long is, like many have said, withering - because of inclinations exactly like this. You're contending with stagnation in very odd ways. Qubit Quark "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - Stephen King >From: Deepfog >To: SFRavEs Mailing List >Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 > >someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a >good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a >blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort >to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist >would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things >that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > >all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these >people or let them in their venue. > >what does anyone think about this... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69666-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 03:23:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98990 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 03:23:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98979 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 03:23:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:23:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Plastic Nuclear Ferret To: J Wyttenbach cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010726014108.28290.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] xone 32 correction, was Re: [sfraves] DJ Equipment reviews - was mixer recommendation? On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, J Wyttenbach wrote: > 2. Allen and Heath Zone 32 > > 3 channel mixer w/ a FOUR band EQ and a true analog > filter (none of that cheezy pioneer digital filter you > can spot a mile away) very very solid mixer w/ lots of > head room....the only thing i dont like is that the > volume fader knobs are very small, so line mixing > takes a lil geting used to, and the eq knobs are a bit > small > actually, it only has a 3-band EQ (the fourth and top knob is the AUX out level). the stock crossfader is also a bit sketchy, as it's wide open to the elements. i took mine out to a weekend campout, and the fader to screwed. i bought the $60-ish fader upgrade, which takes care of that problem. i totally recommend this mixer for anyone. it's really, really solid. i love it. 8^) shane -- @-------------------------------------------------------@ [..........Knowledge Through Tangentalization...........] [........Shane Knapp donut@ bayarea.net..........] [............http://www.bayarea.net/~donut .............] @-------------------------------------------------------@ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69667-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 03:33:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4517 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 03:33:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4419 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 03:33:27 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.232.255.227] From: "Blair O'Malley" To: "SF RAVES" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:29:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1619 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C11548.737EC140" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 03:32:21.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[947E5190:01C11583] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C11548.737EC140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A bad idea. Which promoter would you start with? Seems to me, after al= l these years, every promoter, or just about all, has done something to s= et the party community's teeth on edge. =20 What about DJs. "So and So train wrecked the last three times he/she pl= ayed. THROW THEM TO THE LIONS!" Before my great grandmother died, she explained to me why our wonderful= Polish family came to this nick of the woods known as the US. Seems a g= roup of Germans didn't take to kindly to a bunch of us hanging around bec= ause of some six point star. I recall her mentioning it started with a b= lacklist. Your blacklist undoubtedly won't go these extremes, and I believe you h= ave the best intentions, but a lot of bad things start with pure intentio= ns. If this list happens, put my name on it first and unsubscribe me from = the list. I wash my hands of the open and tolerant scene. =20 Blair =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: ... ! ... Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:01 PM To: deepfog@deepfog.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting =20 All, You can tell this irks me because I keep coming back to it. These past f= ew days have been angry ones, and since I have an English paper due tomorrow that I am explicitly avoiding, I'm going to rant on this for a minute. It suprises me deeply that Deepfog would be one to post this sort of question to the list. I associate integrity with your name, and I'm goin= g to continue to do so under the understanding that this is posed for an attempt at impartiality. So... please don't take anything that follows personally, lest you get the wrong impression. Anyone who has the gaul to start publicly generating names of people/groups/causes who don't fit the "criteria" of acceptable standards= of behavior is BADLY in need of a hug. It is bad enough that entire groups = of heads with noteworthy credentials strut this sanctimonious attitude that = if one knew the "right" person in some way or another, one would stumble upo= n a whole spectrum of off the hook parties that happen each and every day in = the Lovely Bay Area. It's like, "you don't have enough good karma to hang wi= th us." That's crap. One shouldn't have to know the secret Cloudfactory handshake or have the Viberation decoder ring to be drawn to a quintesentially defining party. The learning curve in IDM is steep enoug= h without getting the ego involved. Establishing a list in which one puts oneself explicitly out of reach of = a person who made a bad decision or didn't understand the implications of h= er actions declares that one has never been in that position oneself. And t= hat IS bullshit. I don't care if it was in this lifetime or one a thousand shades ago, everyone has to learn the hard way. What kind of redemption = do you think you're selling if you assume the name of St. Peter and stand at the pearly gates? I understand that this is a practice that already goes on informally, and it's just one step farther down the line of, "well, so-and-so is never as= ked to play at large parties because he like to put such-and-such in his sets= ." But, at least informally there is some measure of anonymity that allows t= he ignorant to transcend the glass ceiling. Personally, I don't suspect I would ever be subject to appearing on such = a list, but then again, how the hell should I know if you don't like the wa= y I dance? If you see that there is a kink in my groove or that I look interminably angry, then you should try to teach me out of it, not cast m= e back into the fire so we have to repeat this over and over again. And, I guess its about time to say that I'm not sure I'm going to return = to San Francisco any time soon. The gift of music you all have had for so l= ong is, like many have said, withering - because of inclinations exactly like this. You're contending with stagnation in very odd ways. Qubit Quark "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - Stephen King >From: Deepfog >To: SFRavEs Mailing List >Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 > >someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a >good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a >blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort >to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist >would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things >that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > >all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these >people or let them in their venue. > >what does anyone think about this... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.as= p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.orgGet more from = the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C11548.737EC140-- From sfraves-return-69668-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 03:38:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7621 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 03:38:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7611 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 03:38:52 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Geoff Herbst" To: "... ! ..." , , Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:36:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] blacklisting its pure mental maneuvering when people have to justify this, account for that, over look that... ...to come to the conclusion that in our community, we are required to have assholish behavior amongst us-that we must simply abide because it enriches our daily lives? that we are better people for allowing the ones we care about in our own community be subjected to assholish behavior? wrong. we must raise the bar of expectations for how we are to interact with each other, not lower it to the lowest common demoninator to accommodate those who are really cancers amongst us. plain silliness. the founders of our dance movement I think would agree. Anyone know the story of the "club for love"? (UK) that's a great freakin example of a dance community and people protecting themselves from such time wasting, indeed life wasting people. deepfog to me also represents a source of integrity, but at the same time... good ole common sense. let us never try to be so heady we forget simple straight forward thought. If Nick (or insert similarly courtesy challenged person) forced his way into your home and began to insult you or your loved ones, would you not show him the door? why must we be subjected then to his behavior (and others who seek to hurt not heal, divide not unify, and just plain "stir up trouble and create drama" peeps. For every moment you spend trying to reason with someone like this you loose a moment when you could be sharing with another a life experience in your own journey that might help another. Lets forget this reactionary putting out drama fires stuff, and move on to proactively trying to make a difference in each others lives? crazy concept I know... I'm not saying there is no place for Nick or others like him in this world-we all have our own paths that are different... hopefully we seek the same destination. But why not let him wreak havoc and taunt, tease, and be downright insensitive and rude to rec.stories.die.die.die.nick or other on line communities. IMHO this is OUR group. lets raise the standard... not lower it. ok back to work peace yall gEoff ;) -----Original Message----- From: ... ! ... [mailto:arcissus@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:02 PM To: deepfog@deepfog.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting All, You can tell this irks me because I keep coming back to it. These past few days have been angry ones, and since I have an English paper due tomorrow that I am explicitly avoiding, I'm going to rant on this for a minute. It suprises me deeply that Deepfog would be one to post this sort of question to the list. I associate integrity with your name, and I'm going to continue to do so under the understanding that this is posed for an attempt at impartiality. So... please don't take anything that follows personally, lest you get the wrong impression. Anyone who has the gaul to start publicly generating names of people/groups/causes who don't fit the "criteria" of acceptable standards of behavior is BADLY in need of a hug. It is bad enough that entire groups of heads with noteworthy credentials strut this sanctimonious attitude that if one knew the "right" person in some way or another, one would stumble upon a whole spectrum of off the hook parties that happen each and every day in the Lovely Bay Area. It's like, "you don't have enough good karma to hang with us." That's crap. One shouldn't have to know the secret Cloudfactory handshake or have the Viberation decoder ring to be drawn to a quintesentially defining party. The learning curve in IDM is steep enough without getting the ego involved. Establishing a list in which one puts oneself explicitly out of reach of a person who made a bad decision or didn't understand the implications of her actions declares that one has never been in that position oneself. And that IS bullshit. I don't care if it was in this lifetime or one a thousand shades ago, everyone has to learn the hard way. What kind of redemption do you think you're selling if you assume the name of St. Peter and stand at the pearly gates? I understand that this is a practice that already goes on informally, and it's just one step farther down the line of, "well, so-and-so is never asked to play at large parties because he like to put such-and-such in his sets." But, at least informally there is some measure of anonymity that allows the ignorant to transcend the glass ceiling. Personally, I don't suspect I would ever be subject to appearing on such a list, but then again, how the hell should I know if you don't like the way I dance? If you see that there is a kink in my groove or that I look interminably angry, then you should try to teach me out of it, not cast me back into the fire so we have to repeat this over and over again. And, I guess its about time to say that I'm not sure I'm going to return to San Francisco any time soon. The gift of music you all have had for so long is, like many have said, withering - because of inclinations exactly like this. You're contending with stagnation in very odd ways. Qubit Quark "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - Stephen King >From: Deepfog >To: SFRavEs Mailing List >Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 > >someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a >good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a >blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort >to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist >would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things >that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > >all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these >people or let them in their venue. > >what does anyone think about this... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69669-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 03:49:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13176 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 03:48:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13165 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 03:48:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:48:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] blacklisting/another idea As most of you have memtioned the blacklisting idea isn't to grand of an idea; however, It is a good idea for new or even old party goers a chance to find out past info on what people have felt about certain party's and certain crew's throwing these parties. One idea is the ability to do a good search from the archives of this email list, I'm not sure if any of you have tried to search through the archives of this list, but it REALLY sucks. Having a searchable database that you could pull up all post that have certain words IE "Skills" Could we look more in this directions and stop the idea of having a blacklist? jahsh On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Geoff Herbst wrote: > its pure mental maneuvering when people have to justify this, account for > that, over look that... > ...to come to the conclusion that in our community, we are required to have > assholish behavior > amongst us-that we must simply abide because it enriches our daily lives? > that we are better > people for allowing the ones we care about in our own community be subjected > to assholish > behavior? wrong. we must raise the bar of expectations for how we are to > interact with each other, > not lower it to the lowest common demoninator to accommodate those who are > really cancers > amongst us. > > plain silliness. > > the founders of our dance movement I think would agree. Anyone know the > story of the "club for love"? > (UK) that's a great freakin example of a dance community and people > protecting themselves from such > time wasting, indeed life wasting people. > > deepfog to me also represents a source of integrity, but at the same time... > good ole common sense. let us never > try to be so heady we forget simple straight forward thought. > > If Nick (or insert similarly courtesy challenged person) forced his way into > your home and began to insult you or > your loved ones, would you not show him the door? why must we be subjected > then to his behavior (and others > who seek to hurt not heal, divide not unify, and just plain "stir up trouble > and create drama" peeps. For every moment > you spend trying to reason with someone like this you loose a moment when > you could be sharing with another a life > experience in your own journey that might help another. Lets forget this > reactionary putting out drama fires stuff, > and move on to proactively trying to make a difference in each others lives? > crazy concept I know... > > I'm not saying there is no place for Nick or others like him in this > world-we all have our own paths that are different... > hopefully we seek the same destination. But why not let him wreak havoc and > taunt, tease, and be downright insensitive > and rude to rec.stories.die.die.die.nick or other on line communities. > > IMHO this is OUR group. lets raise the standard... not lower it. > > ok back to work > > peace yall > > gEoff ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: ... ! ... [mailto:arcissus@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:02 PM > To: deepfog@deepfog.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting > > All, > > You can tell this irks me because I keep coming back to it. These past few > days have been angry ones, and since I have an English paper due tomorrow > that I am explicitly avoiding, I'm going to rant on this for a minute. > > It suprises me deeply that Deepfog would be one to post this sort of > question to the list. I associate integrity with your name, and I'm going > to continue to do so under the understanding that this is posed for an > attempt at impartiality. So... please don't take anything that follows > personally, lest you get the wrong impression. > > Anyone who has the gaul to start publicly generating names of > people/groups/causes who don't fit the "criteria" of acceptable standards of > behavior is BADLY in need of a hug. It is bad enough that entire groups of > heads with noteworthy credentials strut this sanctimonious attitude that if > one knew the "right" person in some way or another, one would stumble upon a > whole spectrum of off the hook parties that happen each and every day in the > Lovely Bay Area. It's like, "you don't have enough good karma to hang with > us." That's crap. One shouldn't have to know the secret Cloudfactory > handshake or have the Viberation decoder ring to be drawn to a > quintesentially defining party. The learning curve in IDM is steep enough > without getting the ego involved. > > > Establishing a list in which one puts oneself explicitly out of reach of a > person who made a bad decision or didn't understand the implications of her > actions declares that one has never been in that position oneself. And that > IS bullshit. I don't care if it was in this lifetime or one a thousand > shades ago, everyone has to learn the hard way. What kind of redemption do > you think you're selling if you assume the name of St. Peter and stand at > the pearly gates? > > I understand that this is a practice that already goes on informally, and > it's just one step farther down the line of, "well, so-and-so is never asked > to play at large parties because he like to put such-and-such in his sets." > But, at least informally there is some measure of anonymity that allows the > ignorant to transcend the glass ceiling. > > Personally, I don't suspect I would ever be subject to appearing on such a > list, but then again, how the hell should I know if you don't like the way I > dance? If you see that there is a kink in my groove or that I look > interminably angry, then you should try to teach me out of it, not cast me > back into the fire so we have to repeat this over and over again. > > And, I guess its about time to say that I'm not sure I'm going to return to > San Francisco any time soon. The gift of music you all have had for so long > is, like many have said, withering - because of inclinations exactly like > this. You're contending with stagnation in very odd ways. > > Qubit Quark > > "Go then. There are other worlds than these." > - Stephen King > > > > >From: Deepfog > >To: SFRavEs Mailing List > >Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting > >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 > > > >someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a > >good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a > >blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort > >to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist > >would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things > >that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > > > >all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these > >people or let them in their venue. > > > >what does anyone think about this... > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69670-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 04:10:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23278 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 04:10:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23267 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 04:10:31 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.47.7.194] From: "... ! ..." To: gherbst@home.com, deepfog@deepfog.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:09:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 04:09:23.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0D2A390:01C11588] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] blacklisting I can only say that this gets into deeply personal beliefs that I have no way of confirming. I don't consider anyone, even the basest of all, to be a cancer among us. I don't believe that I am in any way isolated from the cause of disappointing behavior. I don't believe we have intrinsically different paths because I don't believe that "we" becomes "one" until a common understanding is reached. I believe I come into your world with a bad attitude because you can lure me out of it. I believe Nick comes into my world for the same reason. I believe that bad attitude reverberates throughout everything I perceive, even the smallest passing, until it is dealt with. I believe that if drama presents itself in my world it is for a reason. I believe that I learn best from my own drama. I believe others have already known this drama and exist as signposts for direction. I believe in the power of critical mass. I believe that exclusion is akin to destruction, and I believe that we have lost once again as a consciousness if we have no compassion. I do not comprehend all of this, and that is why I believe I am still here. You may feel differently.. - Qubit >From: "Geoff Herbst" >Reply-To: >To: "... ! ..." , , > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] blacklisting >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:36:09 -0700 > >its pure mental maneuvering when people have to justify this, account for >that, over look that... >...to come to the conclusion that in our community, we are required to have >assholish behavior >amongst us-that we must simply abide because it enriches our daily lives? >that we are better >people for allowing the ones we care about in our own community be >subjected >to assholish >behavior? wrong. we must raise the bar of expectations for how we are to >interact with each other, >not lower it to the lowest common demoninator to accommodate those who are >really cancers >amongst us. > >plain silliness. > >the founders of our dance movement I think would agree. Anyone know the >story of the "club for love"? >(UK) that's a great freakin example of a dance community and people >protecting themselves from such >time wasting, indeed life wasting people. > >deepfog to me also represents a source of integrity, but at the same >time... >good ole common sense. let us never >try to be so heady we forget simple straight forward thought. > >If Nick (or insert similarly courtesy challenged person) forced his way >into >your home and began to insult you or >your loved ones, would you not show him the door? why must we be subjected >then to his behavior (and others >who seek to hurt not heal, divide not unify, and just plain "stir up >trouble >and create drama" peeps. For every moment >you spend trying to reason with someone like this you loose a moment when >you could be sharing with another a life >experience in your own journey that might help another. Lets forget this >reactionary putting out drama fires stuff, >and move on to proactively trying to make a difference in each others >lives? >crazy concept I know... > >I'm not saying there is no place for Nick or others like him in this >world-we all have our own paths that are different... >hopefully we seek the same destination. But why not let him wreak havoc >and >taunt, tease, and be downright insensitive >and rude to rec.stories.die.die.die.nick or other on line communities. > >IMHO this is OUR group. lets raise the standard... not lower it. > >ok back to work > >peace yall > >gEoff ;) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ... ! ... [mailto:arcissus@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:02 PM >To: deepfog@deepfog.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting > >All, > >You can tell this irks me because I keep coming back to it. These past few >days have been angry ones, and since I have an English paper due tomorrow >that I am explicitly avoiding, I'm going to rant on this for a minute. > >It suprises me deeply that Deepfog would be one to post this sort of >question to the list. I associate integrity with your name, and I'm going >to continue to do so under the understanding that this is posed for an >attempt at impartiality. So... please don't take anything that follows >personally, lest you get the wrong impression. > >Anyone who has the gaul to start publicly generating names of >people/groups/causes who don't fit the "criteria" of acceptable standards >of >behavior is BADLY in need of a hug. It is bad enough that entire groups of >heads with noteworthy credentials strut this sanctimonious attitude that if >one knew the "right" person in some way or another, one would stumble upon >a >whole spectrum of off the hook parties that happen each and every day in >the >Lovely Bay Area. It's like, "you don't have enough good karma to hang with >us." That's crap. One shouldn't have to know the secret Cloudfactory >handshake or have the Viberation decoder ring to be drawn to a >quintesentially defining party. The learning curve in IDM is steep enough >without getting the ego involved. > > >Establishing a list in which one puts oneself explicitly out of reach of a >person who made a bad decision or didn't understand the implications of her >actions declares that one has never been in that position oneself. And >that >IS bullshit. I don't care if it was in this lifetime or one a thousand >shades ago, everyone has to learn the hard way. What kind of redemption do >you think you're selling if you assume the name of St. Peter and stand at >the pearly gates? > >I understand that this is a practice that already goes on informally, and >it's just one step farther down the line of, "well, so-and-so is never >asked >to play at large parties because he like to put such-and-such in his sets." >But, at least informally there is some measure of anonymity that allows the >ignorant to transcend the glass ceiling. > >Personally, I don't suspect I would ever be subject to appearing on such a >list, but then again, how the hell should I know if you don't like the way >I >dance? If you see that there is a kink in my groove or that I look >interminably angry, then you should try to teach me out of it, not cast me >back into the fire so we have to repeat this over and over again. > >And, I guess its about time to say that I'm not sure I'm going to return to >San Francisco any time soon. The gift of music you all have had for so >long >is, like many have said, withering - because of inclinations exactly like >this. You're contending with stagnation in very odd ways. > >Qubit Quark > >"Go then. There are other worlds than these." >- Stephen King > > > > >From: Deepfog > >To: SFRavEs Mailing List > >Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting > >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 > > > >someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a > >good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a > >blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort > >to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist > >would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things > >that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > > > >all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these > >people or let them in their venue. > > > >what does anyone think about this... > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69671-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 04:24:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30730 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 04:24:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30720 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 04:24:22 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.176.140.39] From: "trance fiend" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:23:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 04:23:14.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFF7B040:01C1158A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] this is ridiculous.....i'm outta here i've been a long time member of the rave scene all over this country... and this list, bay area promoters (not all, but coolworld especially), and the people in the scene here in the bay area can do nothing but bitch, whine, complain, thrash each other and rip people off.....then after all that is said and done, everybody bitches, whines, complains and thrashes each other for doing it in the first place.....the bay area just cant get it's fu**ing act together enough to even pull this scene up to a respectible, or even fun, level any more.....i'm so tired of all this that all i gotta say is i'll have absolutely nothing to do with any of the scene in the bay area any more from this point on.....i have got so many better things to do with my life than listen to what is the equilivancy of a bunch of pre-schoolers fighting over toy blocks.....i've seen a lot of absolutley stupid shit in my lifetime but the bay area takes the cake for being the most childish and immature bunch of people i've ever seen in my life......everyone bitches about how bad everything is.....well guess fu**ing what people? GET UP OFF YOUR LAZY ASSES AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!.....nothing is ever gonna change until ya do.....promoters like coolworld are going to continue ripping people off with every party they throw, they've gotten me twice now......what is going on in this area is absolute nonsense and nobody is willing to do anything at all about it......i'll just start taking my money and energy anywhere else but anything here.....people keep talking about promoters and people needing to get put in their place, but it's absolutely hilarious that nobody, or let's say extreme few, can even get their asses out from behind their fu**ing computer to help try to make this a better place to party......personally, i think harmony just had a bad streak with this particular party and things just fell through.....i know some of the people in harmony and they're all great people, i've even worked lasers for one of their parties and they try like hell to make sure it's all right.....gianni, i'll keep coming to hear ya spin at 1015 cause damn man you're just one hell of a dj.....i'll even brave the depths of 1015's security to hear ya spin a set......i'm outta the rave scene in the bay area for good....this is just entirely WAY too much flat out bullshit for me to deal with any more......let the flame war begin all you guys want, i'm off the list now and seriously disappointed with the bay area later little matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69672-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 04:25:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32159 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 04:25:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32148 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 04:25:22 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:24:31 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting/another idea I forget what imploded/shut down/wack party set this idea off last time, but does anybody remember "Honest Abe"? =) vix > As most of you have memtioned the blacklisting idea isn't to grand of an > idea; however, It is a good idea for new or even old party goers a chance > to find out past info on what people have felt about certain party's and > certain crew's throwing these parties. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69673-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 04:26:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33524 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 04:26:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33514 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 04:26:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.91.20.119] From: "... ! ..." To: gherbst@home.com, deepfog@deepfog.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:25:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 04:25:21.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB8D5BE0:01C1158A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Raising the Bar Put another way, raising the bar isn't effective until those you come into contact with understand what is on the other side of it, and this isn't just on a verbal level. By your definition, it would be a "waste of life" to go into the city and teach a kid how to paint a mural - even though he might call my mother a whore and put paint all over the girl he likes. By mine, none of us are going anywhere in this consciousness until that kid realizes why he is painting the mural and why he (and my mother) is safe. - Q >From: "Geoff Herbst" >Reply-To: >To: "... ! ..." , , > >Subject: RE: [sfraves] blacklisting >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:36:09 -0700 > >its pure mental maneuvering when people have to justify this, account for >that, over look that... >...to come to the conclusion that in our community, we are required to have >assholish behavior >amongst us-that we must simply abide because it enriches our daily lives? >that we are better >people for allowing the ones we care about in our own community be >subjected >to assholish >behavior? wrong. we must raise the bar of expectations for how we are to >interact with each other, >not lower it to the lowest common demoninator to accommodate those who are >really cancers >amongst us. > >plain silliness. > >the founders of our dance movement I think would agree. Anyone know the >story of the "club for love"? >(UK) that's a great freakin example of a dance community and people >protecting themselves from such >time wasting, indeed life wasting people. > >deepfog to me also represents a source of integrity, but at the same >time... >good ole common sense. let us never >try to be so heady we forget simple straight forward thought. > >If Nick (or insert similarly courtesy challenged person) forced his way >into >your home and began to insult you or >your loved ones, would you not show him the door? why must we be subjected >then to his behavior (and others >who seek to hurt not heal, divide not unify, and just plain "stir up >trouble >and create drama" peeps. For every moment >you spend trying to reason with someone like this you loose a moment when >you could be sharing with another a life >experience in your own journey that might help another. Lets forget this >reactionary putting out drama fires stuff, >and move on to proactively trying to make a difference in each others >lives? >crazy concept I know... > >I'm not saying there is no place for Nick or others like him in this >world-we all have our own paths that are different... >hopefully we seek the same destination. But why not let him wreak havoc >and >taunt, tease, and be downright insensitive >and rude to rec.stories.die.die.die.nick or other on line communities. > >IMHO this is OUR group. lets raise the standard... not lower it. > >ok back to work > >peace yall > >gEoff ;) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ... ! ... [mailto:arcissus@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:02 PM >To: deepfog@deepfog.com; sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting > >All, > >You can tell this irks me because I keep coming back to it. These past few >days have been angry ones, and since I have an English paper due tomorrow >that I am explicitly avoiding, I'm going to rant on this for a minute. > >It suprises me deeply that Deepfog would be one to post this sort of >question to the list. I associate integrity with your name, and I'm going >to continue to do so under the understanding that this is posed for an >attempt at impartiality. So... please don't take anything that follows >personally, lest you get the wrong impression. > >Anyone who has the gaul to start publicly generating names of >people/groups/causes who don't fit the "criteria" of acceptable standards >of >behavior is BADLY in need of a hug. It is bad enough that entire groups of >heads with noteworthy credentials strut this sanctimonious attitude that if >one knew the "right" person in some way or another, one would stumble upon >a >whole spectrum of off the hook parties that happen each and every day in >the >Lovely Bay Area. It's like, "you don't have enough good karma to hang with >us." That's crap. One shouldn't have to know the secret Cloudfactory >handshake or have the Viberation decoder ring to be drawn to a >quintesentially defining party. The learning curve in IDM is steep enough >without getting the ego involved. > > >Establishing a list in which one puts oneself explicitly out of reach of a >person who made a bad decision or didn't understand the implications of her >actions declares that one has never been in that position oneself. And >that >IS bullshit. I don't care if it was in this lifetime or one a thousand >shades ago, everyone has to learn the hard way. What kind of redemption do >you think you're selling if you assume the name of St. Peter and stand at >the pearly gates? > >I understand that this is a practice that already goes on informally, and >it's just one step farther down the line of, "well, so-and-so is never >asked >to play at large parties because he like to put such-and-such in his sets." >But, at least informally there is some measure of anonymity that allows the >ignorant to transcend the glass ceiling. > >Personally, I don't suspect I would ever be subject to appearing on such a >list, but then again, how the hell should I know if you don't like the way >I >dance? If you see that there is a kink in my groove or that I look >interminably angry, then you should try to teach me out of it, not cast me >back into the fire so we have to repeat this over and over again. > >And, I guess its about time to say that I'm not sure I'm going to return to >San Francisco any time soon. The gift of music you all have had for so >long >is, like many have said, withering - because of inclinations exactly like >this. You're contending with stagnation in very odd ways. > >Qubit Quark > >"Go then. There are other worlds than these." >- Stephen King > > > > >From: Deepfog > >To: SFRavEs Mailing List > >Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting > >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 > > > >someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a > >good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a > >blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort > >to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist > >would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things > >that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > > > >all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these > >people or let them in their venue. > > > >what does anyone think about this... > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69674-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 04:53:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45294 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 04:53:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45284 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 04:53:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726045258.15690.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: pj fuzzy To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: raved_out@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] bfp blatant friend promotion: laron mix my good pal laron has two 12" (or will since they just finished the 2nd) out there that with my good friend laird- together they make up psychofunkodiscodelic (with john pickett and friends) and laird sells them at bpm records. he would probably know of other tracks as well. btw they should be playing at space 550 this friday at de Luxe (formerly le Freak) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69675-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 04:57:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47419 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 04:57:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47409 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 04:57:29 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Buzz" To: "SF Raves" , , Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:55:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] I wonder.... I wonder.... If I wasn't on any mailing lists from this area and heard all the negative comments etc, would I think the rave community was doing great things and progressing in a good direction? If I didn't hear any of these after-party comments, would I think the party that I just went to was that bad, even if I thought it was pretty good? I guess this follows the old saying "Ignorance is bliss" =) Believe what you want to believe people, but remember that the majority of these posts are opinions, and try and keep that in check with what you originally believed and don't let one anonymous person from a huge mailing list change your perspective on a party or a person. Please, before you let anything from these lists influence you enough to flame another or change your viewpoint, stand in their shoes; Try and look at the history (if you can ) of other parties, how many have been successful and perhaps you've been to a few of those? Would you want to stage a huge rave in order to steal money and deface you and your crews reputation? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not siding here, but try and think from someone elses' viewpoint, and yes these type of things do happen, and yes, money is lost but this is now a time to rebuild and make sure the other crews get their party off the ground... How can you, the newbie raver, or any level raver help? Try emailing the crew, offering some help, or make sure and follow the info line directions exactly so a party doesn't get broken up. It doesn't hurt to drop a line to someone offering help, even if they're already set. Even if you don't know if you can offer anything, just ask what you can do, and if you can't participate, there is always next time.... But do one thing for me: The next party you go to, try and meet up with some of the people on the lists, they'll have their opinions too, but at least you can debate about it face to face without an audience. Hell, try even to meet the promoters of these parties and give them a chance to talk in a rational matter, they are people too.... I am not siding with any crew nor related to any, these are just my beliefs, and what I have tried to keep straight in my mind since I started raving. Please keep any direct comments to me, and not a mailing list. - Buzz buzz@dazedandconfused.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69676-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 05:14:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57978 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 05:14:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57967 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 05:14:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5FA6D1.73FED52A@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:12:49 -0700 From: nima X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B6E93B7584FE4D09A067678E" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] why thump radio kicks ass --------------B6E93B7584FE4D09A067678E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check out this mail i got- wooo hooo!!! i can't make it to either makeup but totally appreciate it the fact they offered them and sent out this mail...i'll definetley continue to buy tix from thump (plus they were cheaper than acteva at the time ) --------------B6E93B7584FE4D09A067678E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from tdbserver.thumpradio (vhost.aumcom.com [209.249.6.212] (may be forged)) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6Q2a1I19252; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thump (64.130.39.166) by tdbserver.thumpradio (Worldmail 1.3.167); 25 Jul 2001 13:31:15 -0700 Reply-To: From: "(((THUMP))) Radio" To: Subject: regarding your ticket order Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:22:56 -0700 Message-ID: <035201c11579$e20b44e0$0301060a@thump> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0353_01C1153F.35AC6CE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0353_01C1153F.35AC6CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Thank you for buying tickets for Area 51 from the Thump Radio website. Although Thump Radio was not the promoter of this event, we want to apologize for the fiasco that unfolded. We were merely an on-line ticket sales outlet for the promoters and therefore have no power to issue refunds. We were kept in the dark about any potential problems until Friday, July 20th, when we immediately turned off our ticket sales. Everyone who had problems attending this event should direct their questions or complaints to Greg Sandler of Harmony Productions or Dutch of Inner Eye Productions. Web page: http://www.harmonyproductions.com/ email: Greg - ascend@ix.netcom.com or Dutch - teknopwr@hotmail.com Although we had nothing to do with the production of this party, we want to once again extend our thanks to you for using our website to purchase your tickets. This is the first event we have sold tickets to, although it did not go as planned, we will continue to sell tickets in the future. We would like to take care of our listeners, so as a sign of our gratitude, we'd like to offer you 2 places on our guest list for one of the next 2 ATOMIC parties that we host every month at Kelly's Mission Rock in San Francisco. The next event is this Saturday, July 28th, starting at 10pm. Please send us 2 names for this guest list by Friday at 4pm. Please note that this is a 21+ event, so even if you cannot attend, we will still honor names of friends and family of yours that are 21+. We will have another ATOMIC party on Saturday September 1st, also at Kelly's Mission Rock. Again, thank you for your understanding. We are as frustrated with the way the promoters handled this event as you are. Please direct all future communications regarding this matter to Greg or Dutch. Thank you. Sincerely, Thump Radio ------=_NextPart_000_0353_01C1153F.35AC6CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
Thank you for buying tickets for Area = 51 from the=20 Thump Radio website.  Although Thump Radio was not the promoter of = this=20 event, we want to apologize for the fiasco that unfolded.  We were = merely=20 an on-line ticket sales outlet for the promoters and therefore have no = power to=20 issue refunds.  We were kept in the dark about any potential = problems until=20 Friday, July 20th, when we immediately turned off our ticket = sales. =20 Everyone who had problems attending this event should direct their = questions or=20 complaints to Greg Sandler of Harmony Productions or Dutch of Inner Eye=20 Productions.
 
Web page:   http://www.harmonyproductions= .com/
 
email:  Greg - ascend@ix.netcom.com
 
or  Dutch - teknopwr@hotmail.com
 
Although we had nothing to do with the = production=20 of this party, we want to once again extend our thanks to you for using = our=20 website to purchase your tickets.  This is the first event we have = sold=20 tickets to, although it did not go as planned, we will continue to sell = tickets=20 in the future.  We would like to take care of our listeners, so as = a sign=20 of our gratitude, we'd like to offer you 2 places on our guest list for = one of=20 the next 2 ATOMIC parties that we host every month at Kelly's Mission = Rock in=20 San Francisco.  The next event is this Saturday, July 28th, = starting at=20 10pm. 
 
Please send us 2 names for this guest = list by=20 Friday at 4pm.  Please note that this is a 21+ event, so even if = you cannot=20 attend, we will still honor names of friends and family of yours that = are=20 21+.  We will have another ATOMIC party on Saturday September 1st, = also at=20 Kelly's Mission Rock.  Again, thank you for your = understanding.  We=20 are as frustrated with the way the promoters handled this event as you=20 are.  Please direct all future communications regarding this matter = to Greg=20 or Dutch.
 

Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0353_01C1153F.35AC6CE0-- --------------B6E93B7584FE4D09A067678E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------B6E93B7584FE4D09A067678E-- From sfraves-return-69677-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 05:18:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60940 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 05:18:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60930 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 05:18:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.244.163] From: "Augie Dogg" To: deepfog@deepfog.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:17:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 05:17:29.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[440A2A90:01C11592] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting this is the stupidest idea ever IMHO - but i can believe it due to the state of community here(or should i say there) in the bay area. WTF?! what good would blacklisting do? yes, while people are entitled to boycott certain production companies, think of how childish it is to create a "group" who would blacklist promoters in a scene that needs every last drip of community support to survive. not everyone has bad experiences with a particular crew or goes to massives for that matter anyway.... augie ----Original Message Follows---- From: Deepfog To: SFRavEs Mailing List Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these people or let them in their venue. what does anyone think about this... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69678-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 05:27:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64756 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 05:27:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64746 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 05:27:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.31.210] From: "'LoOnDrOp' ......" To: innocentchild@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:26:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 05:26:21.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[816D6310:01C11593] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] so you wanna start blacklisting huh?? alright...id just like to point out that this blacklisting thing was NOT my idea or original post. i just happened to have responded to it with my OPINION. now i just checked out dictionary.com and found the definition of blacklist to be as follows: --------- black·list (blklst) n. A list of persons or organizations that have incurred disapproval or suspicion or are to be boycotted or otherwise penalized. ---------- this definition seems to be aweful close to a couple other words i know and those are DISCRIMINATION and PREJUDICE. so here we go. blacklisting is not PLUR. we know this, you know this deep down inside, i know this deep down inside. actually lemme rephrase that. When I do wrong...i know it inside of me ...theres a littel voice that says: "dude! thats wrong! karma is gonna get you for that" and it always does so i try not to ignore that voice these days. i think everyone has that little voice that says that, or something similar. the voice would be screaming if i placed someone on a blacklist....which i would never do. come to think of it now, the idea of a blacklist seems to be more like a tool for revenge. an instrument for inflicting harm or beginning some sorta vendetta. thats wrong. look...i think all this blacklist stuff came about over all the people upset about area51. i was not a participant in this event, im not a big fan of massives..im just not. but i think some people who are upset need to do more than just bitch and complain to the list, and i think there is so much that they are not aware of. some quick points: 1. have you ever thrown a party? theres a lot more than meets the eye. its not an easy task, even for an experienced crew, especially under all the heat. 2. permits get pulled. expect this. 3. What have you personally done today to improve the scene? 4. Have you any respect at all for the risks promoters take in running an event? they face jail time, thats a risk that the promoters take...jail time is no joke. unfortunately ive experienced a bit, i know. 5. when was the last time you gave 'the nod'? and to who? 6. oh and ive jsut become rather unemployed....I need a job to support my vinyl habit and pay rent. any leads from the raver community. (preferably somewheres that wont get too upset that im on probation :\ ) of course these are only my opinions. Dont crucify me for my opinions, i dont deserve it. -LoOnDrOp "Im not a slacker, i just refuse to cooperate with society" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69679-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 05:42:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71001 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 05:42:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 70990 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 05:42:32 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.226.134] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:41:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 05:41:20.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[99517F50:01C11595] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] UVT: All One Hey hey hey, Well it's been 2 great parties in two weeks for me. Focus on the 14th and a bomb-ass house party this past Saturday. I'm hoping for 3 in a row, and that's why I'll be at Unity Vibe Tribe's All One this Friday night. My friends Jim aka Psykoral and Doug aka Tyme will be spinning what will sure to be two great sets. If any of you are going, speak up and let me know. As a people person, I always love meeting new people. I'll be wearing grey pants, and a white t-shirt with the words "RAVIN RIZ" on it...ya can't miss me. Be sure to say hi! Until then, I gotta work 12 hour days for a freakin global ERP implementation, so I'll definitely be lookin forward to this party. If anyone from the South Bay, meaning San Jose, Campbell, Milpitas, Mountain View, and Sunnyvale, needs a ride to this party, I can fit 3 others in my car. But be warned, if the party is good, I'm usually the last one out. RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "You never lose when you love. You always lose when you hold back." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69680-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 05:59:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77329 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 05:59:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77319 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 05:59:42 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.31.210] From: "'LoOnDrOp' ......" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:58:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 05:58:30.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEEA56A0:01C11597] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] spinning sets.... BTW... If anyone out there in the easy bay is bored this weekend and is interested in spinning a set or two with me and my trainwreck ass amtrack skills this weekend lemme know. im tired of being my own critic. -LoOnDrOp _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69681-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 06:09:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81896 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 06:09:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81879 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 06:09:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726060853.12776.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: XTORT To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ~*SUBMERGE*~ Friday(AUG.10.2001)(2 ROOMS/12 Performers) *BSP* Friday, August 10th, 2001 XTORT Presents...*SUBMERGE* It’s time to get deep, it’s time to Submerge into the greatest sounds ever. Featuring TWO rooms of non-stop energy, featuring: DYLOOT (SKILLS, SF) SIMON APEX (Subsonic Underground) MORGAN (LOTEK Records, SF) DRAGN’FLY (Teknique, Epiphany) AMBER (Epiphany, SF) KOMA (FUSED, SF ) RIGATONY (Sagitariun Productions) DJ PAT (Teknique, Fresno) DUSTY BROWN (XTORT) (LIVE Performance) SASCHA23 (XTORT) DJ WARREN (XTORT) SAPPHIRE (XTORT) + More TBA.... ALL AGES 16+ WELCOME... FREE posters/cds/stickers to the first 150 people courtesy of ASTRALWERKS, NETTWERK, and ADV Films along with METROPOLIS. AMAZING visuals from EYELUSIONS/VISION CRAFT SOUND: TEKNIQUE. SECURITY: JAMES Security+Sgt. Harris…. LIVE Air-Brush Performance by WWW.SONTI.COM Doors open: 8pm-4am TICKETS: $12 before 11pm, $14 after… XTORT:http://www.xtortproductions.cjb.net XTORT'S DATABASE: 916.565.6677 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69682-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 06:19:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88075 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 06:19:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88065 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 06:19:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5FB6E1.4D705352@home.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:21:22 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: buzz@allied.org CC: SF Raves , ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com, frequency-8@squinky.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] I wonder.... Yeah it's pretty funny how much mailing lists can influence my whole thoughts and opinions on what is actually happening in the "scene". Right now I'm feeling pretty shitty about the whole rave thing. I haven't really danced for a long time either- I should do that. I've been on the list around 2 years now and I can see that it is constantly cycling through good times and bad, but I really hope were going to see some good times again soon. I've managed to not unsub so far, but if it keeps bringing me down like this then maybe that would be a good option. I'm upset to see all these anti-rave laws as well. It's very scary to me that our government actually thinks by eliminating raves they will be eliminating the ecstasy "problem." Is it not apparent that ecstasy use is just as common at highschool dances and other parties? Well, I will be at Ascension tomorrow night so I hope to see some happy faces out there gettin' down with Jeno. =) The disenchanted.... Lydia Buzz wrote: > I wonder.... > > If I wasn't on any mailing lists from this area and heard all the negative > comments etc, would I think the rave community was doing great things and > progressing in a good direction? > > If I didn't hear any of these after-party comments, would I think the party > that I just went to was that bad, even if I thought it was pretty good? > > I guess this follows the old saying "Ignorance is bliss" =) > > Believe what you want to believe people, but remember that the majority of > these posts are opinions, and try and keep that in check with what you > originally believed and don't let one anonymous person from a huge mailing > list change your perspective on a party or a person. > > Please, before you let anything from these lists influence you enough to > flame another or change your viewpoint, stand in their shoes; Try and look > at the history (if you can ) of other parties, how many have been successful > and perhaps you've been to a few of those? Would you want to stage a huge > rave in order to steal money and deface you and your crews reputation? > > Maybe, maybe not. I'm not siding here, but try and think from someone elses' > viewpoint, and yes these type of things do happen, and yes, money is lost > but this is now a time to rebuild and make sure the other crews get their > party off the ground... > > How can you, the newbie raver, or any level raver help? Try emailing the > crew, offering some help, or make sure and follow the info line directions > exactly so a party doesn't get broken up. It doesn't hurt to drop a line to > someone offering help, even if they're already set. Even if you don't know > if you can offer anything, just ask what you can do, and if you can't > participate, there is always next time.... > > But do one thing for me: The next party you go to, try and meet up with some > of the people on the lists, they'll have their opinions too, but at least > you can debate about it face to face without an audience. Hell, try even to > meet the promoters of these parties and give them a chance to talk in a > rational matter, they are people too.... > > I am not siding with any crew nor related to any, these are just my beliefs, > and what I have tried to keep straight in my mind since I started raving. > Please keep any direct comments to me, and not a mailing list. > > - Buzz > > buzz@dazedandconfused.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69683-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 06:45:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2589 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 06:45:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2579 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 06:45:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726064429.24856.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Deepfog , SFRavEs Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting what happens when my friends start blacklisting your friends because they blacklisted everybody else's friends? what a joke... --- Deepfog wrote: > someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if > this might be a > good idea to consider having someone in the scene > maintain a > blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the > likes in an effort > to keep people in line. the very fear of going on > the blacklist > would make people think twice before making mistakes > or doing things > that are considered deviating from the normal types > of music, etc. > > all of the related businesses would agree not to > work with these > people or let them in their venue. > > what does anyone think about this... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69684-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 06:48:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5728 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 06:48:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5707 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 06:48:46 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:48:55 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves , sacraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! I've been playing for and have worked with Vlad for many years and I can't recall a Feel Good event that has been shut down, or didn't happen due to politics or losing a venue just before an event (no offense to Area 51 intended). In my experiences with Vlad, he makes certain that his venue is contracted before establishing a line-up and a flyer. Isn't that the way things are supposed to be done? Vlad has a lot of pride in our scene and his participation in the political realm has given us the opportunity to play and promote events in the San Francisco Bay Area. His dedication to our scene deserves praise. I've been asked to play at his event and I'm looking forward to it. Promote and party responsibly! It's only fair to those that purchase tickets and attend.... Just my .02 8) MODA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69685-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 06:51:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7981 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 06:51:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7961 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 06:51:41 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:51:48 -0800 From: MODA To: "Ben R." , sfraves , sacraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! Of course you do, don't you work for Clockworkz.....? On 7/25/01 6:44 PM, "Ben R." wrote: >=20 > "So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty > obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... 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July 28 hi guys, just thought id let u in for some info about my friend's party...come check this out...peace =) ********************************************************** PLUR FICTION a brothers grim production an ALL AGES event Saturday, July 28, 2001, starting promptly at 10 p.m. $20 presales only available at: SKILLS DJ WORKWHOP (berkeley) SOLID GROOVES (santa clara) your DJs for the night: Rocket Scientist Aklaim Craz-e On-e Crack Monkey Kan-D Soundwave DJ Joe **Limited Capacity, no ins and outs, no door tickets ***100% Fully Permitted Secure Bay Area Location with Multiple Chill Rooms ****FREE WATER!!! and outdoor smoking area... .choco. dj_choco@hotmail.com "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to make your own reality." -choco _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69687-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 06:57:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16101 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 06:57:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16091 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 06:57:52 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.202.89.34] From: "Rayn Drahps" To: deepfog@deepfog.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:56:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 06:56:37.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D93CA20:01C115A0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting As much as this would be a good idea if it were anything else but it seems to (sorry for pulling from the root ideas of long ago) go against the very moral fabric of why we do what we do for raves. I'm not a happy everyone be nice to everyone else person to the extreme but I love the core essentials of why I came into raving when I did. I've never believed in shunning anyone and personally it hurts me to see others want to stop other people by imposing some kind of blacklist against them. It should all still come down to personal choice. If say like Skillz or F8 or some other ticket outlet or promotion company had personal issues with someone or some promotion company, then they don't have to carry their tickets for them. It may mean less traffic to their store but they have the option to do that if they don't feel right putting their name alongside the promotions. As for the partiers, we can choose whether or not we want to go to a party for personal reasons without needing a blacklist of following a herd of people turning their backs on someone else and shunning them, even if they deserve it. I thought we were as a community trying to rise above that. I was raised mormon and know what it feels like to be told to shun something or be shunned yourself if you have a different opinion. Thats when I started seeing the corruption in the religion and started noticing it at all levels of life as well. Its structure and turning people away that cause malice. Resentment. Etc.. Teach by example not by force. They will either respect you or not. If they do things poorly they will burn themselves one day. But never turn a deaf ear to someone who asks for help. Its really late. I have no idea why these thoughts poured out of my head. I'm going to bed now. Its a good idea Deepfog, but I just don't see how doing something like that would make us any better than what we (at least I) want to fight against in this world. -Rayn (And yes, I am a recovered mormon.) :) From: Deepfog To: SFRavEs Mailing List Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:27:14 -0700 someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these people or let them in their venue. what does anyone think about this... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69688-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 08:12:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59582 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 08:12:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59572 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 08:12:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.216.67] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: deepfog@deepfog.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:11:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 08:11:13.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[894EC8F0:01C115AA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting >what does anyone think about this... who decides? and on what criteria? --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69689-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 08:25:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64708 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 08:25:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64697 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 08:25:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:23:58 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting it's a committee of three... you (DJ howlin Bob), "dank smoker", and vix. ... ! ... has veto power. the criteria is it has to be worthy of scandalous, sensational, eye-glazing television news. >>what does anyone think about this... > >who decides? and on what criteria? > >--hb > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69690-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 08:28:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66523 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 08:28:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66509 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 08:28:03 -0000 Message-ID: <006801c115ac$2bc3e060$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "J Wyttenbach" , References: <20010726014108.28290.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:22:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] DJ Equipment reviews - was mixer recommendation? > > Rane MP2016/XP2016 > > http://www.rane.com/mp2016.html > > this is a crazy clean roatary mixer (volume knobs > instead of faders) with heavy solid knobs well spaced > from each other. crisp sound, lots of headroom (read > no distorted signal going into your system) no frills > mixer. its great sound comes at a price nearing 2000 > dollars > Vestax also has a new all rotary mixer coming out, that's supposed to be designed somewhat after this mixer (or one very similar to it). It retails for like $4k . . . prolly never see one though. . . : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69691-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 08:32:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68970 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 08:32:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68960 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 08:32:42 -0000 Message-ID: <00a301c115ac$d223bc00$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "trance fiend" , References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:27:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] this is ridiculous.....i'm outta here It's like. . . see the thing is. . . The people who you DON'T see bitching and whining. . . the people who are working to positively effect the scene. . . they don't have time to bitch and whine about everything. . . and since they don't make all this ruccus about whatever (yet), most people think they're not out there. . . but they are. . . they're just working instead of whining about working. . . so they're there. . . they're just too busy to complain. . . : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69692-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 09:10:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81796 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 09:10:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81785 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 09:10:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.166.22.173] From: "Bear" To: "Moco D" Cc: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:06:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 09:09:38.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[B285A6F0:01C115B2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] mixer recommendation? The Pioneer DJM 600 is a great mixer if your looking to have DJ ready digital effects, but I have to vote on the Rane MP/XP for quality. The optical movement of the sliders on the Pioneer is a little lose in my mind while the Rane has more resistence in the crossfader... The best mixer that I had as of yet overall was the Vestex PMC 07A, because of the slider controals on the Trebble Mids & Bass... VERRY unique for a mixer, but a GREAT tool... you can do AWSOME bass cutoffs... What type of music were you looking to spin w/ this mixer? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moco D" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: [sfraves] mixer recommendation? > I'm looking for info/experiences with several mixers I've been looking into > buying. Right now I think I've narrowed it down to three mixers: Rane MP/XP > 2016, Pioneer DJM 600(50A), or the Pioneer DJM 600. I'm looking for a studio > quality mixer that'll last. Does anyone have any feedback on these? Pros > and cons? Other mixers? Ya know, all that good stuff. Thanks. > Mo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69693-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 09:53:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17039 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 09:53:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 17029 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 09:53:15 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:54:43 -0700 From: veanne To: , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] speaking of which.. Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES speaking of sluts.. i heard about your little escapade at the cactus club tonight.. "hi i'm a dj.. wanna fck?" ;) > From: DJ Proxy > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:48:38 -0700 > To: veanne , > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES >=20 > Slut. >=20 > -proxy >=20 > on 7/24/01 12:58 AM, veanne at indochine@earthlink.net wrote: >=20 >> omg! i met this guy at cf friday night who gave me his pacifier and like= we >> started making out during drenalin's set and like he told me his name wa= s JC >> and i was like, 'whoah you look like that one dude from NSYNC.." he smil= ed >> and we like took off behind the rocks and got nekkid to some tekno.. >>=20 >> now it all makes sense..... >>=20 >>>> From: "innocentchild =A0" >>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>> Subject: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES >>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27 +0000 >>>>=20 >>>>> NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES - >>>>>=20 >>>>> July 21, 2001 (San Francisco, CA) - Officials have discovered links >>>>> between the notorious San Francisco underground rave scene and the >>>>> popular Pop group NSync. NSync, a popular 'boy-band' is currently >>>>> touring the nation playing to sold out stadium crowds. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Bay Area officials were tipped off to an all night underground 'rave' >>>>> party taking place on Friday night. This all night 'rave' party, >>>>> rife with drugs and sex, was taking place at a local beach. When >>>>> police arrived to break up the party, two members of NSync were >>>>> detained and arrested for possession of common drug paraphenalia - >>>>> glow sticks and water bottles. The two members of the band, Joshua >>>>> Chasez and Christopher Kirkpatrick (known as JC and Chris in the >>>>> band), were held overnight until released on bail in the morning. >>>>> The band's manager Jonny Wright was contacted but had no comment on >>>>> the incident's of the previous night. NSync were in the Bay Area for >>>>> two sold out concerts at the Network Associates Coliseum in Oakland >>>>> on Saturday and Sunday nights. Several other youths were cited for >>>>> possession of glow sticks, which they were seen throwing up into the >>>>> air at the party. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Police nationwide have been growing more suspicious of links to the >>>>> 'rave' scene with other popular Pop artists - like Britney Spears. >>>>> It's not uncommon to see young teenagers at these large stadium >>>>> concerts sporting the same drug paraphenalia as found at these >>>>> underground raves," said officer John Bates, an Atlanta Police >>>>> Lieutenant. >>>>>=20 >>>>> A 17-year-old Millbrae native, Veronica, was at the all night rave >>>>> party and has tickets to tonight's show at the Coliseum. "The cops >>>>> are just out of it," she said. "NSync and the other boy bands have >>>>> been showing influences from electronic music for years now. I >>>>> almost died when I saw JC at the Cloud Factory party this weekend - >>>>> it was a like dream come true." >>>>>=20 >>>>> The Department of Justice has recently warned city officials across >>>>> the nation to keep a close watch on any type of entertainment which >>>>> may encourage the use of such dangerous items as candy bracelets, >>>>> glow sticks and baby pacifiers. DOJ spokesman Doug Johnson said, >>>>> "These kids are putting their lives in danger every weekend. Parents >>>>> should be concerned when they see their children coming home with >>>>> bottled water or baby pacifiers. These items are starting to show up >>>>> everywhere - we found kids with glow sticks at the last Backstreet >>>>> Boys concert." - : contact - aim : mylai email - swervin@mylai.com homepage : www.mylai.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69694-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 10:54:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58704 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 10:54:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58692 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 10:54:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: Deepfog cc: SFRavEs Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting How about a mailing list where we can openly discuss any of these issues? oh wait... andyw On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Deepfog wrote: -&e->someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a -&e->good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a -&e->blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort -&e->to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist -&e->would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things -&e->that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. -&e-> -&e->all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these -&e->people or let them in their venue. -&e-> -&e->what does anyone think about this... -&e-> -&e->--------------------------------------------------------------------- -&e->To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org -&e->For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org -&e-> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69695-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 11:17:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69283 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 11:17:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69273 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 11:17:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: AndyW X-X-Sender: To: cc: In-Reply-To: <3B5F15CE.5F624DBA@globalparty.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] $15 RANT N RAVE/ FULLY PERMITTED ..preBSP On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Feel Good wrote: -&e->Yarrow220@aol.com wrote: -&e-> -&e->> FULLY PERMITTED, and we will release the location before the day of the -&e->> show....now that -&e->> Area 51 has raised the eyebrow and anxof the entire community -&e-> -&e->what does this mean? I think this means Yarrow is trying to differentiate his upcoming event from what went down at Area51 (I'm sure lots of promoters will hop on this bandwagon in the next few weeks), although he's saying almost exactly the same thing (buy a ticket now, it's permitted, we won't mention where just yet, but we'll tell you all about the location at some point before the party). Or was I not supposed to notice that? (I also notice other things, like the absence of a date in the pre-bsp) He then goes on to mention that it's $15, which is a GOOD thing and I give respect where respect is due, but poisons that to some degree by stating that nobody has thrown $15 parties in yeeeeerz which is, um... simply not true. In fact, there are some active crews that have never charged more than $15 for an event. andyw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69696-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 11:20:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71661 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 11:20:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71651 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 11:20:58 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: "trance fiend" , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.28] Message-Id: <20010726111828.7785B36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] this is ridiculous.....i'm outta here It's kinda sad that you're gonna let a list like this affect your judgement on the scene here in Nor Cali! I mean, I've been in the scene now for over 7 years and yeah, things are a lil' different from the way they used to be here & stuff OK. But on the real though, when someone is a Raver, that's part of your soul man! It's kinda trippy how you'd let this list take a part of your soul away like that jus' 'cause of stupid flame wars & power trips on the list. I mean, I been on here for almost a year now & comin' on here was a decision I made after years of hearing about this list & purposely not getting on, ya know. I was totally doin' fine w/o bein' on a list w/ a bunch of Ravers yelling @ each other w/ words. I agree w/ everyone who says if you see something you don't like, then help out w/ that party, w/ the crew, whatever. But to like totally sit back & yap your negative vibes like that ain't really gonna help either man. I've been to Raves in NYC, Seattle, Florida, etc., & seriously, vibes are different, vibes are the same, but I went to those undergrounds 'cause it's all about the music & dancin' my ass off 'til 7-8 in the morn! OK, ya ya ya ya lal la la la la....I'm startin' 2 talk outta my ass again, but it's jus' sad to see someone lose faith in the scene 'cause of words people are afraid to say to someones face and use the list to talk shit! I think Chazz was right when he said the same people who bitched about ARea 51 were the same people who were havin' a Groovy time! LoL I also know a many others off the list who had a Dope time there! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69697-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 11:40:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77550 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 11:40:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77540 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 11:40:04 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:40:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.28] Message-Id: <20010726114002.5F95636FA@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Funny thing about Karma, ya know Early in the evening wasn't the best time for me! In fact, the past 2 months more or less have been kinda shitty for me! I mean earlier, I got into again w/ my Pops & he was all yelling at me for no reason whatever la la la la la la la! I was kinda buggin' & it was kinda bad for a while! I did talk to a Groovy Ass Person on the phone for almost half an hour & that kinda lifted my spirits a lil', but I was still in the shits. So I get out aorund 12AM & start walking & like three & a half, maybe four miles later, I ended up at the gas station in good ol' Hercules! Hello 2day! So I'm all chillin' w/ the Dude workin' Graveyard (Jerry), & we talk!! OK, I'm so totally gonna be vague here 'cause we had this Dope ass conversation about music and stuff & I can tell y'all now that BaD AsS things will be happening soon w/ me & things I been working towards for a while now will finally start paying off! I will tell everyone more about this as it progresses, but for now I can say "PsychoWard" =) LoL I dunno, but I think Karma's kinda comin' around for me again & it's kinna Groovy! Oh yeah, I was chillin' at the gas station for like 3 hours 'cause I wanted 2 find a ride home! It was a Groovy walk, but I kept thinkin' that walkin' back to my pad woulda been kinda scary at 2,3 in the morn! Then again, it was kinda scary sitting in the back of a cop car on the way home! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69698-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 13:35:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34953 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 13:35:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34938 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 13:35:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726133508.49217.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: PimpStress To: MODA Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! And Vlad doesnt over book a party and get the sence kicked out of a good venue Metropolis last year ring a bell dont get me wrong it was a Phat party but now we can no longer have any more parties there another venue lost. nor do they say they will have a party til 5am and then change it at the last minute im not trying to bag or anything just my 2 cents --- MODA wrote: > I've been playing for and have worked with Vlad for > many years and I can't > recall a Feel Good event that has been shut down, or > didn't happen due to > politics or losing a venue just before an event (no > offense to Area 51 > intended). In my experiences with Vlad, he makes > certain that his venue is > contracted before establishing a line-up and a > flyer. Isn't that the way > things are supposed to be done? > > Vlad has a lot of pride in our scene and his > participation in the political > realm has given us the opportunity to play and > promote events in the San > Francisco Bay Area. His dedication to our scene > deserves praise. > I've been asked to play at his event and I'm looking > forward to it. > > Promote and party responsibly! It's only fair to > those that purchase tickets > and attend.... > > Just my .02 > > 8) MODA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69699-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 14:06:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53466 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 14:05:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Delivered-To: moderator for sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1525 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 03:29:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726032916.77211.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:29:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Coldfire Productions To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org, djultraman@yahoo.com, riga420@aol.com, ContactQ@typhonic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: -=*A Trip Into Wonderland*=- (Fri. Aug. 24th 2001) Friday, August 24th, 2001 Typhonic.Net, Coldfire, Sagitariun Productions, & Divine Intervention Brings You... "A Trip Into Wonderland" The official CD release party for Wonderland! (2 Areas of Magic) Featuring: Wonderland (Coldfire) DJ Pat (Teknique/USOF/Persephone) Ultraman (Divine Intervention) Digital E (Versatile) Rigatoni (Sagitariun) Sascha 23 (Xtort) iFactor (Stealth Ent.) Shorty (Euphoric Vibe/Coldfire/Stealth Ent.) Neoblue (Coldfire) Featuring a guest appearance, with a live performance, and a whole bunch of surprises throughout the whole night! Ages 16+ Glowsticks and Water Available. Live Airbrush Design Performed By Sonti Supervised By Golden Dragon Security Eye Watering Lasers By Divine Intervention When?: 8pm - 2am Where?: A Fully Permitted Location (Well Known) Tickets: $15 @ the door Presales: $12 (coming shortly) $2 off admission, if you come dressed like your favorite "Alice In Wonderland" character! This is gonna be an event you won't want to miss! Expecting a full house, so be the first in line! This event WILL sell out, so get your presales A.S.A.P! ===== ************************************************************ Choose Your Destiny DJ Wonderland's Homepage or Coldfire Productions Homepage @ http://www.geocities.com/themadhatterdj/ "A Star Only Lives As Long As You Wish It To." ************************************************************ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69700-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 14:17:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62559 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 14:16:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62541 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 14:16:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726141649.96799.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: HYBRID BLISS To: sacraves@hyperreal.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] {[INFUSION]} FRIDAY.AUGUST.24th.[8pm-4am](SAC)*BSP* Friday, August 24th, 2001 HYBRID BLISS Presents: INFUSION Sacramento’s biggest and finest performers in one great event. Look out for: SIMON APEX (Subsonic Underground Recordings) EDDIE EDUL (IMAGINE MUSIC) DJ N8 (My House, KS TraXX) SASCHA23 (XTORT) ULTRAMAN (Divine Intervention) DJ WARREN (XTORT) SAPPHIRE (XTORT) + some special guests yet to be announced.. ALL AGES ARE WELCOME to this show... An Awesome Light Show and Audio Spectacular. Doors are open from 8pm-4am Tickets are ONLY $10...That’s right… INFO-LINE: 916.492.7717(Updated on Monday) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69701-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 14:31:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74970 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 14:31:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74960 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 14:31:02 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:30:47 -0700 From: vix To: Deepfog , SFRavEs Mailing List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting No no no, not me, I'm allergic to committees. I nominate Geri Dahl. vix > From: Deepfog > Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:23:58 -0700 > To: SFRavEs Mailing List > Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting > > it's a committee of three... > > you (DJ howlin Bob), "dank smoker", and vix. > > .... ! ... has veto power. > > the criteria is it has to be worthy of scandalous, sensational, > eye-glazing television news. > >>> what does anyone think about this... >> >> who decides? and on what criteria? >> >> --hb >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69702-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 14:35:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78910 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 14:35:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78900 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 14:35:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.52] From: "Becca Plevin" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:35:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 14:35:23.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[345B2290:01C115E0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: *Jeno at Ascension* tonight! This Thursday night is our biggest yet at Ascension! The feature is a special three-hour set with the legendary and highly coveted sounds of San Francisco house DJ, JENÖ (woohoo!). Opening for him will be two of our resident DJ’s: Tirrell and Alkaline making magic as only they can in an unforgettable 2x4. It’s an experience you won’t want to miss filled with passion, humor and slammin’ funky beats. Doors open at 9pm, and be sure to come early as this event will most definitely sell out. We’ve also got 1200 watts of new subs ready to pump, thump and bump the dance floor. We've been bouncing about with anticipation over this night and are working hard to make it special. 9:00-11:00 Tirrell vs. Alkaline a.k.a Mc Master Max B. 11:00-2:00 JENÖ 18-20 - $7 21+ - $5 ID’s Required, Full Bar, Pool Table, Video Games, Free Water www.acmeparty.com Blake’s, 2367 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69703-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 15:01:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4834 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 15:01:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4814 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 15:01:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Thu) Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -- Redd Foxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69704-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 15:37:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35744 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 15:37:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35734 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 15:37:08 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c115e8$b40fe0e0$59b3b018@CC229840a> From: "Funkybaby Productions" To: "sfraves" Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:36:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C115AE.079EB960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] My new website ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C115AE.079EB960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All I Just got my new website almost done, the links and flyer archive are = the only things not working, but everything else is working and you can = listen to my mixes online. So if all you SFRaves members would do me = the honor and check it out and then give me some feedback, maybe even = sign the guestbook I would really appreciate it. www.djdaddy.net =20 Thanx Everyone Jason ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C115AE.079EB960-- From sfraves-return-69705-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 16:32:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82993 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 16:32:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82964 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 16:32:15 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c115f0$94497160$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "PimpStress" , "MODA" Cc: References: <20010726133508.49217.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! In my experience I have found the every feel good event goes till the end, and is very well produced. I think this thread is kind of stupid. Anyone that has ever gone to one of there events will have to agree that feel good puts a lot of effort and love into their parties. I may not see eye to eye with Vlad on a lot of things but I think he gets a bad rap as far as the quality of his events go. If you guys want to bitch about something show specific things that happened to you at or because of a feel good party..And that's about it.... Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "PimpStress" To: "MODA" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! > And Vlad doesnt over book a party and get the sence > kicked out of a good venue Metropolis last year ring a > bell dont get me wrong it was a Phat party but now we > can no longer have any more parties there another > venue lost. nor do they say they will have a party til > 5am and then change it at the last minute im not > trying to bag or anything just my 2 cents > > --- MODA wrote: > > I've been playing for and have worked with Vlad for > > many years and I can't > > recall a Feel Good event that has been shut down, or > > didn't happen due to > > politics or losing a venue just before an event (no > > offense to Area 51 > > intended). In my experiences with Vlad, he makes > > certain that his venue is > > contracted before establishing a line-up and a > > flyer. Isn't that the way > > things are supposed to be done? > > > > Vlad has a lot of pride in our scene and his > > participation in the political > > realm has given us the opportunity to play and > > promote events in the San > > Francisco Bay Area. His dedication to our scene > > deserves praise. > > I've been asked to play at his event and I'm looking > > forward to it. > > > > Promote and party responsibly! It's only fair to > > those that purchase tickets > > and attend.... > > > > Just my .02 > > > > 8) MODA > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69706-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 16:38:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88441 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 16:38:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88431 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 16:38:17 -0000 Message-ID: <00c401c115f2$9b25cfe0$cc06510c@sjsu.edu> From: "n i c o" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP :: Fundamental :: 7.26.01 [[[ TONIGHT ]]] * t o n i g h t i n t h e s o u t h b a y * ::: F u n d a m e n t a l ::: .beginning 7/26 and the last Thurs. each month. .two rooms . full bar . beautiful people. techouse.progressive.drum&bass.techno @Kleidon's * 152 Post (@ San Pedro), SJ 9pm - 2am * 21+ Nico, The Frank Phenomenon (LOL, that's not his real DJ name ;), and others --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69707-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 16:44:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93081 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 16:44:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93065 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 16:44:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726164427.61020.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:44:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tera Ball To: Jacob - SFDance , Deepfog Cc: Sfraves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-627623491-996165867=:59507" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] blacklisting --0-627623491-996165867=:59507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How would we do it? I mean would there be a vote? Who gets to vote? Not everyone. What would the standards be to get on the list? Like three strikes you're out? Jacob - SFDance wrote: Great idea... Except sometimes people make mistakes that can be forgiven. There are certain clubs/promoters who SFDance will not list in the newsletter for various reasons... -Jacob www.sfdance.org -----Original Message----- From: Deepfog [mailto:deepfog@deepfog.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:27 PM To: SFRavEs Mailing List Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these people or let them in their venue. what does anyone think about this... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-627623491-996165867=:59507-- From sfraves-return-69708-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:08:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8793 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:08:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8782 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:08:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726170823.16030.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:08:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] A51 - Can we move on? Hey all, I know that last Saturday was a pretty disappointing day for dancing. Many people, were left high and dry on Area 51 (I guess I didn't get it so bad as I was able to sell my ticket for what I paid for it). Then Rebirth was so crowded. Depressing. One thing I do want to point out, is that by leaps and bounds, the Bay Area 'scene' is still terrific. As some of you know I'm still fresh out of the AZ scene, and there is virtually no comparison. The SF crowd is markedly more sophisticated, has incredible talent in its midst, and some of the most beautiful scenery in one of the most dynamic and amazing cities on the planet. That alone has to be the best foundation for parties I've ever heard. It seems almost criminal to focus on the shortcomings of one promoter that dropped the ball on one massive. Area 51 is just a small reminder that we don't always get what we want in life. Am I making excuses for someone who most definitely bumbled his permits and betrayed the trust of a few thousand people? Certainly not. I think I am promoting the idea that people need to come to terms with disappointment in their life. The only options left at this point are to trust that Harmony will do make-up parties, and stop buying tickets to massives. The thing I find unfortunate is that massives are the only way to see certain well-known talent, because of their popularity. Personally, I can live without the big names. Those who cannot will need to fight the battle against massives. I wish you all the best. One concept I will leave you with is one borrowed from my line of work. When one participates in active disease surveillance, a big effort is put into finding all the cases of that disease that are diagnosed in the community. People put a lot of time into finding that disease, and as a result, they find a lot more of it than they normally would. This can make diseases appear to rise in prevalence and incidence, when in fact the rates are stable, but you are now seeing them as they always have been. This concept can easily become a metaphor for life; what ye seek, so shall ye find. If you focus on negativity, and/or set yourself up to be disappointed, you probably will be. On the other hand, if you try to see the good aspects of things in your life, you probably will. So, for those who got burned on Area 51, and are kicking yourselves saying, "I should've known better," you're probably right. For those of you who got burned for the first time, you've learned a lesson. Is that totally fuct? Oh my yes. Will you think twice about massives from now on? I certainly hope so. Much love, -Dreg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69709-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:17:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15154 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:17:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15129 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:17:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:16:02 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] psyche! ;] (was Re: [sfraves] so you wanna start blacklisting huh??) sorry to get a good laugh at others' expense. but people are talking=20 about blacklisting on socal raves and i J U S T C O U L D N ' T R E S I S T ! blacklisting is an=20 interesting concept, but... i do want to interject something, that is everyone assumed i was=20 talking about a strictly promoter/dj blacklist. i was talking about=20 a system-wide blacklist, which would include dancers, bouncers, etc.=20 and would of course be ridiculous to conceive seriously, completely=20 impractical to implement, and impossible for me to think that it=20 would do any good. =2E..so you all are the victim of a rather blatant dropping of what the=20 politicians call 'trial balloons'. pay attention to this when you=20 read the newspaper, watch the news, etc. sometimes people drop=20 things just to see what kind of public opinion will either support or=20 collapse the issue. >alright...id just like to point out that this blacklisting thing was=20 >NOT my idea or original post. i just happened to have responded to=20 >it with my OPINION. > >now i just checked out dictionary.com and found the definition of=20 >blacklist to be as follows: >--------- >black=B7list (blklst) >n. >A list of persons or organizations that have incurred disapproval or=20 >suspicion or are to be boycotted or otherwise penalized. >---------- > >this definition seems to be aweful close to a couple other words i=20 >know and those are DISCRIMINATION and PREJUDICE. > >so here we go. blacklisting is not PLUR. we know this, you know=20 >this deep down inside, i know this deep down inside. actually lemme=20 >rephrase that. >When I do wrong...i know it inside of me ...theres a littel voice=20 >that says: "dude! thats wrong! karma is gonna get you for that"=20 >and it always does so i try not to ignore that voice these days. i=20 >think everyone has that little voice that says that, or something=20 >similar. the voice would be screaming if i placed someone on a=20 >blacklist....which i would never do. > >come to think of it now, the idea of a blacklist seems to be more=20 >like a tool for revenge. an instrument for inflicting harm or=20 >beginning some sorta vendetta. thats wrong. > >look...i think all this blacklist stuff came about over all the=20 >people upset about area51. i was not a participant in this event,=20 >im not a big fan of massives..im just not. but i think some people=20 >who are upset need to do more than just bitch and complain to the=20 >list, and i think there is so much that they are not aware of. > >some quick points: > >1. have you ever thrown a party? theres a lot more than meets the=20 >eye. its not an easy task, even for an experienced crew, especially=20 >under all the heat. > >2. permits get pulled. expect this. > >3. What have you personally done today to improve the scene? > >4. Have you any respect at all for the risks promoters take in=20 >running an event? they face jail time, thats a risk that the=20 >promoters take...jail time is no joke. unfortunately ive=20 >experienced a bit, i know. > >5. when was the last time you gave 'the nod'? and to who? > >6. oh and ive jsut become rather unemployed....I need a job to=20 >support my vinyl habit and pay rent. any leads from the raver=20 >community. (preferably somewheres that wont get too upset that im=20 >on probation :\ ) > >of course these are only my opinions. Dont crucify me for my=20 >opinions, i dont deserve it. > >-LoOnDrOp > >"Im not a slacker, i just refuse to cooperate with society" > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69710-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:21:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18833 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:21:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 18823 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:21:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726172121.75285.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:21:21 -0700 (PDT) From: PimpStress To: Ecko Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <001601c115f0$94497160$280110ac@nick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! i had some shady things happen to me but i am not bitter at all feelgood parties are usually always good yas --- Ecko wrote: > In my experience I have found the every feel good > event goes till the end, > and is very well produced. I think this thread is > kind of stupid. Anyone > that has ever gone to one of there events will have > to agree that feel good > puts a lot of effort and love into their parties. I > may not see eye to eye > with Vlad on a lot of things but I think he gets a > bad rap as far as the > quality of his events go. If you guys want to bitch > about something show > specific things that happened to you at or because > of a feel good party..And > that's about it.... > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PimpStress" > To: "MODA" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:35 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a > joke?! > > > > And Vlad doesnt over book a party and get the > sence > > kicked out of a good venue Metropolis last year > ring a > > bell dont get me wrong it was a Phat party but now > we > > can no longer have any more parties there another > > venue lost. nor do they say they will have a party > til > > 5am and then change it at the last minute im not > > trying to bag or anything just my 2 cents > > > > --- MODA wrote: > > > I've been playing for and have worked with Vlad > for > > > many years and I can't > > > recall a Feel Good event that has been shut > down, or > > > didn't happen due to > > > politics or losing a venue just before an event > (no > > > offense to Area 51 > > > intended). In my experiences with Vlad, he makes > > > certain that his venue is > > > contracted before establishing a line-up and a > > > flyer. Isn't that the way > > > things are supposed to be done? > > > > > > Vlad has a lot of pride in our scene and his > > > participation in the political > > > realm has given us the opportunity to play and > > > promote events in the San > > > Francisco Bay Area. His dedication to our scene > > > deserves praise. > > > I've been asked to play at his event and I'm > looking > > > forward to it. > > > > > > Promote and party responsibly! It's only fair to > > > those that purchase tickets > > > and attend.... > > > > > > Just my .02 > > > > > > 8) MODA > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69711-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:23:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22539 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:23:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22524 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:23:13 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c115f7$a42f4030$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:23:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C115BC.F79AD940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] something to think about!! ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C115BC.F79AD940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C115BC.F79AD940-- From sfraves-return-69712-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:30:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31186 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:30:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31109 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:30:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.112.32.195] From: "- Kitterman" To: pjfuzzy@rocketmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:29:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 17:29:58.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[97CDBC80:01C115F8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] bfp blatant friend promotion: laron mix I'm actually aware the records but was looking for a CD or MP3 of one of Laron's awesome sets. Does he have any promo CD's out? & yes, I will be @ De Luxe tomorrow for Derrick Carter & Laron! That party will be going off! -Peace >From: pj fuzzy >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >CC: raved_out@hotmail.com >Subject: [sfraves] bfp blatant friend promotion: laron mix >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:52:58 -0700 (PDT) > >my good pal laron has two 12" (or will since they just finished the >2nd) out there that with my good friend laird- together they make up >psychofunkodiscodelic (with john pickett and friends) and laird sells >them at bpm records. he would probably know of other tracks as well. > >btw they should be playing at space 550 this friday at de Luxe >(formerly le Freak) > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69713-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:32:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35289 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:32:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 35279 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:32:29 -0000 From: "Phaedrus" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:38:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c115f9$be865840$b6dcd6cf@binary.finary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Blacklisting It's been a long time since I posted something long, so I'll issue my usual warning: This is going to be long. Not to abuse a tired old cliche, but "birds of a feather flock together." People group together around common interests, and sometimes subgroups spawn from the big ones. Take the US for example. Once we were all English. We didn't like those buggers anymore (it sucked being told what religion we had to be, and it sucked to have our taxes disappear over the ocean) so we ditched them and made our own group. Then we said "Hey, if you want to be in our group, come on over. You just have to follow our rules." That worked well until Republicans and SUV's, and it's entirely feasible that a bunch of people can go off and form their own nation somewhere else, maybe on the moon or something. (The republicans thing is a joke, BTW). The point I'm trying to make is that you can't perform a coup on a public thing. Raving is very public. Promoters promote to the public. DJ's spin for the public. Those evil, horrible ravers-that-should-be-blacklisted like this mysterious Nick (who are you, anyway?) ARE the public. Not only is it completely against the intent of our country's law to attempt to control the public in such a way (civil rights violation, slander, libel, etc. etc.), it's completely against rave scene's ethic. Besides, last time I checked, a coup usually resulted in a dictatorship, and we all love those, don't we? So how can we fix this problem? Well, if you noted the key word there... PUBLIC, the solution is to go PRIVATE. Think about this: law enforcement, consumer protection, permitting, crowd control; all these things are the concern of government because they are in the PUBLIC interest. If all of a sudden these matters are not in the public interest anymore, there are few agencies that are going to have JACK DIDDLY to say about it. So imagine this: raving goes ULTRA underground. Parties are held in warehouse lofts, peoples houses, rented bars and clubs, and they are all PRIVATE events. You DO NOT flyer, you do not sell tickets, you DO NOT randomly pick whoever from the general populace. You get together a circle of trusted friends, and invite them to your parties. Tell them to bring their trusted friends. What happens then is that many circles overlap. You still meet new people. You still go to plenty of parties. The difference is that someone somewhere is deciding who they WANT there, and excluding everybody else by just not inviting them. You get goodvibe peeps who are smart and responsible, and new blood comes into the scene the right way, with a mentor. It's evolution, man. Right now, our scene is like amoebas. We're just a bunch of single-celled organisms that go where the party is. But if we evolve, form small groups, we can protect ourselves from predators (the big nasty amoeba-eating ones with flashing red and blue lights). Here's another interesting thought - the military and terrorist groups for example, have done the same thing. Small, autonomous units. If that tactic works for them, we can use it to do good things. Cops can't get a warrant for a noise complaint. So let's review. Graham says include in your own group, not exclude from the whole. Use the government against themselves. They can only go so far before we have the power to sue the living shit out of them (a la St. Louis). So that's all I'm going to verbally vomit today. As always, point the flames at me, not the list. I brought my holocaust cloak out of the closet for just this occasion. Peace! - Graham "I cannot live an unexamined life." - Socrates, last words. * * * * * * * * * * * P H A E D R U S * * *FreedomRingSF* * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69714-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:41:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44805 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:41:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 44794 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:41:19 -0000 Message-ID: <005701c115f9$7f08fce0$3702000a@netcorps.com> From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: "Ecko" , "sf" Cc: "f8" References: <001f01c115f7$a42f4030$280110ac@nick> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:36:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! I don't know why you keep posting to this list if all you are going to say is negative shit. - jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: [sfraves] something to think about!! http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69715-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:41:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45363 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:41:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45348 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:41:28 -0000 From: "s n r g y" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:39:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] blacklisting well, i think black listing is a good idea because i'd probably get black listed on the quick tip along with every other person in the scene. then when people on the blacklist accumulate more power then the black listers.. then maybe we'd have a bullshit free scene.. that'd be nice so, any persons who want to be closed minded who wants to impeed a consitutional right... then please hang your self blacklisting is not only illegal, but i thought we learned in the third grade that two wrongs don't make a right has anyone ever thought that bad things happen to good people because in the real world bad things happen all the time and in this scene where gov agancies and other promoters agressively persue smir champaigns... well, guess what- it hurts all of us Just like blacklisting will do, it will hurt everyone.. plane and simple You want to make a difference get involved. For every one bad thing you see, make two good things happen... don't waste time hating just because you have the urge to hate what happened to community and supporting each other in time of need make a positive difference --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69716-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:44:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54278 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:44:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 54263 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:44:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:45:32 -0600 From: TheNetworkGirl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <005301c115f2$69cd0f80$6401a8c0@esl.snfc21.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dsvSRwB2xZOc6Tq5fSCzRw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] I got Sunday Planned BBQ- then DJ's Etc. FREE --Boundary_(ID_dsvSRwB2xZOc6Tq5fSCzRw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ok, first you start your day by heading over to the beautiful Tilden park for a little relaxation and BBQ -- perhaps some swimming in the lake from 12:00- to about 2:30 http://www.thenetworkgirl.com/invite/ And then over the bridge to SF for: San Francisco Bay Guardian's 35th Anniversary Block Party - Sunday July 29 Noon - 6pm Hampshire Street between Mariposa and 18th One block from the Safeway complex at 16th and Potrero Two sound systems, food and beverage available. Stage 1: Psychofunkodiscodelic Wicked DJs Garth, Laird, Jeno, Laron, Markie, CB, and the Greyhound Bus. Stage 2: Zoopy Funk Theatre and the Yard Dawgs, X-tra Action Marching Band featuring members of Crash Worship, Breakdancing by Ground FX featuring Furious 189, Contortionist Madame Ming, Cellophane Masses, The Damsels, Heklina and Peggy L'eggs, Suite 304, Hesosi (Imperial Dub), and Live Mexican Wrestling by Lucha Libre. Then- back to Oakland for drinks perhaps at the Attik. That's my plan for Sunday: TheNetworkGirl http://www.thenetworkgirl.com "Artists Welcome" --Boundary_(ID_dsvSRwB2xZOc6Tq5fSCzRw)-- From sfraves-return-69717-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:45:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55230 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:45:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55160 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:45:00 -0000 Message-ID: <01e601c115fa$97b62af0$6900000a@tendocom.org> Reply-To: "matt newell" From: "matt newell" To: "Ecko" , "sf" Cc: "f8" References: <001f01c115f7$a42f4030$280110ac@nick> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:44:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 17:44:17.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[97ABCAB0:01C115FA] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! kettle .. black? oh yea, that was supposed to be "cute" right nick? rockon, .. matt .. www.sweetillusions.org .. matt@sweetillusions.org .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: [sfraves] something to think about!! http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69718-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57855 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:46:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 57820 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:46:28 -0000 Message-ID: <003e01c115fa$e37cd1a0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "Jeremy Bispo" , "sf" Cc: "f8" References: <001f01c115f7$a42f4030$280110ac@nick> <005701c115f9$7f08fce0$3702000a@netcorps.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:46:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! Do you have a sense of humor? It's a joke get a life you fuc%#$ dork Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: "Ecko" ; "sf" Cc: "f8" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > I don't know why you keep posting to this list if all you are going to say > is negative shit. > > - jeremy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ecko" > To: "sf" > Cc: "f8" > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:23 AM > Subject: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > > http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69719-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 17:57:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74861 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 17:57:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 74851 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 17:57:54 -0000 Message-ID: <008f01c115fb$cfd6cce0$3702000a@netcorps.com> From: "Jeremy Bispo" To: "Ecko" , "sf" Cc: "f8" References: <001f01c115f7$a42f4030$280110ac@nick> <005701c115f9$7f08fce0$3702000a@netcorps.com> <003e01c115fa$e37cd1a0$280110ac@nick> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:53:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! I know a joke, and right now, the only person on this list who is joke, is you. - jeremy ---- Original Message ----- From: "Ecko" To: "Jeremy Bispo" ; "sf" Cc: "f8" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > Do you have a sense of humor? It's a joke get a life you fuc%#$ dork > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Bispo" > To: "Ecko" ; "sf" > Cc: "f8" > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > > > I don't know why you keep posting to this list if all you are going to say > > is negative shit. > > > > - jeremy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ecko" > > To: "sf" > > Cc: "f8" > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:23 AM > > Subject: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > > > > > http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > > > > Nick > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69720-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:02:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80859 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:02:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 80799 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:02:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726180155.60245.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tera Ball To: Ecko , sf Cc: f8 In-Reply-To: <001f01c115f7$a42f4030$280110ac@nick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1425091851-996170515=:60234" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! --0-1425091851-996170515=:60234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No! That isn't something to think about! That is so mean! Ecko wrote: http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1425091851-996170515=:60234-- From sfraves-return-69721-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:13:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93565 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:13:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 93555 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:13:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726181321.9627.qmail@web4803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] That N'Sync Parody Just thought everyone might find it amusing to know that the fake story about N'Sync made it to the AZ Raves listserv, via someone in Atlanta, and was being treated as a real story!! Gotta be careful of your parodies! lol -Dreg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69722-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:16:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97260 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:16:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97250 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:16:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: bfidget@pop.sfrn.dnai.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:18:31 -0700 To: Deepfog From: boomboom@boomerangfidget.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org (the SFR Daily Gazette) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting >someone was talking to me about this and i wonder if this might be a >good idea to consider having someone in the scene maintain a >blacklist of promoters, dj's, partygoers and the likes in an effort >to keep people in line. the very fear of going on the blacklist >would make people think twice before making mistakes or doing things >that are considered deviating from the normal types of music, etc. > >all of the related businesses would agree not to work with these >people or let them in their venue. > >what does anyone think about this... i'm sure our alien overlords would back your bill, Senator McCarthy. I saw the movie Chaplin recently. He's my new favorite person (chaplin, not downy jr.) He was ejected from the u.s. because he dared to question the benefits of the industrialized world. Downy Jr., our sources tell us, was recently ejected from the u.s. for hogging all the drugs. -boomboom a . m , b ' i ; e : n ` t m . a , f ' i ; a : paradoxically frightening and m e l l o w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69723-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:19:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2313 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:19:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2303 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:19:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726181919.99656.qmail@web9804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Deepfog , SFRavEs Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting well if its not scandalous, eye-glazing, sensational, or television-worthy by the time it gets to sfraves, the people on this list will probably figure out a way to make it that way. --- Deepfog wrote: > it's a committee of three... > > you (DJ howlin Bob), "dank smoker", and vix. > > ... ! ... has veto power. > > the criteria is it has to be worthy of scandalous, > sensational, > eye-glazing television news. > > >>what does anyone think about this... > > > >who decides? and on what criteria? > > > >--hb > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69724-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:19:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2561 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:19:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 2526 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:19:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:19:20 -0700 Message-Id: <200107261819.LAA31244@mail25.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [209.247.240.10] From: "fluffy beats" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: NRGize (Friday Augest 3rd) 15 dollar party Wha'z supp yee all... Coming up Friday Augest 3rd, Thump'N Loud is pleased to present a night of trance and hard NRG for a small intimate crowd. This event is legal and located in the immdiate bay area for the 18 and over. ~With feaured Djs~ Kevin Kind--------->(coolworld) Enemy-------------->(Skills) Morgan------------->(Loteck) *** legandary old sckooler *** Kid Bippy- thank me later for booking this cat *** *** Kemical Kidd------->(Loteck) Aklaim------------->(TLM) s n r g y---------->(COTS) Graphics and Lighting will be providede by Viberation. Check out a sneak peek: http://www.onetwentyeight.com/partypics/Viberation_10_7_00/index.html Decore will be a techy-high-tech theme, so expect cutting edge visuales. We're really focusing on what's important for this event: you and the music. So, as a policy for this party we're not selling $2 dollar bottle water or $1 dollar bottled water... we're giving away bottled away for FREE- to ensure your comfort. Absoluitly everything is being done to make this party happen right. Really what makes a party go off is the people who attented it.. so, we encourage everyone to pump all thier positive NRG into this party Also, this is going to be a record release party for Producer/Dj Kevin Kind. He'll be unleashing another one his tracks onto the dance floor. Plus, we'll be giving away his new press to some lucky aspiring Djs. clean secure local party for three hundred lucky people, you can get your 15 dollar ticket @ Solid Grooves=-=-=-(San Jose) Frequency-8=-=-=-=-(San francisco) Remix=-=-=-=-=-=-=-(San Mateo) Skills=-=-=-=-=-==-(Bezerkely) Message of the day: Don't hate participate sign-up for your free CD http://216.218.178.2/~snrgy/add_user.html Thump'N'Loud Music (T.L.M.) ~all djs and the venue are confirmed and final ------------------------------------------------------------ Your free horoscope is at http://www.qksrv.net/click-724831-1207128 Get a free email address @ http://www.raveworld.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69725-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:20:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6517 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:20:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6495 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:20:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726182039.1835.qmail@web9807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Deepfog , SFRavEs Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting especially the glazed eye part --- Deepfog wrote: > it's a committee of three... > > you (DJ howlin Bob), "dank smoker", and vix. > > ... ! ... has veto power. > > the criteria is it has to be worthy of scandalous, > sensational, > eye-glazing television news. > > >>what does anyone think about this... > > > >who decides? and on what criteria? > > > >--hb > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69726-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:22:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10962 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:22:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10952 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:22:10 -0000 Sender: root@uclink4.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <3B606019.7A31FFF0@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:23:21 -0700 From: Nima Mirzad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] swayzak groovetech set its damn good http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/PhoenixData/GT/srvlt/GTController?action=BroadcastDetail&page=detail_broadcast.jsp&HTMLType=Detail&BroadcastEventID=7289 makes work go by faster too --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69727-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:22:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12515 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:22:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12502 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:22:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:21:19 -0700 From: chazz gold To: Sfraves Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] unsubscribe me "Dont ever stop dancing it'll keep you young!" Harry Slifman's (my grandpa) last dying qoute. True house music is an instrument of GOD, if this instrument is used wisely it can change your soul!!! True house music consists of four main ingredients; A cup of spirituality A tablespoon of love A dash of togetherness and a pinch of soul penetrating beats --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69728-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:23:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14593 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:23:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 14579 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:23:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.176.183.108] From: "iNnOvAtE" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:25:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C115C5.9CBDA760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 18:22:23.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA5B4BA0:01C115FF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (BSP) JC Clothing Presents "OLD SKOOL" ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C115C5.9CBDA760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saturday, September 8th 2001 Remember back in the day, when partying was fun, and didn't cost a = fortune? When you could expect a phat vibe, w/ phat beats, and not the = bull shit? When you didn't have to buy a 45.00 dollar PRESALE ticket, 5 = months in advance? Well Jc Clothing remembers way back when, and to tell = you the truth, is pretty much disgusted with the scene these days, = which is why we have gathered our resources, to put together an event, = that will have that old skool vibe, w/ that old skool price, like the = old skool parties used to be, when partying was fun.... Jc Clothing presents: OLD SKOOL Confirmed Talent thus far & much more in the works: Room 1: House; NRG; Trance: Dj Tempo - Funk Lab, San Jose=20 Felipe Avelar - Funk Lab, BodyRock Records, San Jose PG-13 - Mass Productions, Iron Man Dj, Jc Clothing, San Jose ILLicit - Jc Clothing, San Jose Scepter - Function 1200, Sacramento=20 Scotte - San Jose =20 Room 2: Jungle; Hip hop; Garage; 2-step; Turntablist: FINGERBANGERZ CREW: Golden Chyld *SF DMC Champion*, Ngobility, = Cutsoqwik, Square One, Replay, G-wrex along side guest appearance: Fuse = One TiCAL - Jc Clothing, San Jose NMAN - Argon Records, Santa Cruz Eternal - Y.O.U. Productions, Jc Clothing, Sacramento/Santa Cruz Chaostica - Bass Junkies, Jc Clothing, San Diego Innovate - Function 1200, Jc Clothing, Sacramento Harmonize MC - Bass Junkies, Jc Clothing, San Diego/San Jose MANY MANY more TBA... Stay TUNED! Info@Jcclothing.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C115C5.9CBDA760-- From sfraves-return-69729-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:23:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15034 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:23:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 15016 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:23:14 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:24:12 -0600 From: wishfm To: s n r g y , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078995052_725387_MIME_Part" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting --MS_Mac_OE_3078995052_725387_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The blacker, the better... I always say. wishfm From: "s n r g y" Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:39:06 -0700 To: Subject: RE: [sfraves] blacklisting well, i think black listing is a good idea because i'd probably get black listed on the quick tip along with every other person in the scene. then when people on the blacklist accumulate more power then the black listers.. then maybe we'd have a bullshit free scene.. that'd be nice so, any persons who want to be closed minded who wants to impeed a consitutional right... then please hang your self blacklisting is not only illegal, but i thought we learned in the third grade that two wrongs don't make a right has anyone ever thought that bad things happen to good people because in the real world bad things happen all the time and in this scene where gov agancies and other promoters agressively persue smir champaigns... well, guess what- it hurts all of us Just like blacklisting will do, it will hurt everyone.. plane and simple You want to make a difference get involved. For every one bad thing you see, make two good things happen... don't waste time hating just because you have the urge to hate what happened to community and supporting each other in time of need make a positive difference --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --MS_Mac_OE_3078995052_725387_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-69730-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:28:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25736 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:28:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25726 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:28:33 -0000 Message-ID: <008301c11600$c44d5ce0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "Tera Ball" , "sf" Cc: "f8" References: <20010726180155.60245.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:28:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! You act is if I made the damn picture..Maybe you should attack the person who made it not the people that think it's funny. And it's not making fun of handicap people it's saying arguing on the internet is retarded..Okay dense people. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tera Ball" To: "Ecko" ; "sf" Cc: "f8" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > No! That isn't something to think about! That is so mean! > Ecko wrote: http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69731-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:54:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60916 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:54:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 60904 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:54:45 -0000 Message-ID: <3B6067E1.8B1FC4BB@home.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:56:33 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: sf , f8 References: <001f01c115f7$a42f4030$280110ac@nick> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! As Kevin and Ryan would say.... "This is my back!" Ecko wrote: > http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69732-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 18:59:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66980 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 18:59:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66967 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 18:59:39 -0000 Date: 26 Jul 2001 11:58:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20010726185855.4169.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 26 Jul 2001 18:58:55 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: litterbx@ultimanet.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] blacklisting vs. individual responsibility As cool as it would be to have the power to blacklist. Which could become a full time scam of monumentous proportions, free everything and more. Imagine a san francisco council of integrity in partying, the collecting of "gifts" from promoters and the under the table buying of forgivenesses. sounds kind of familar. This scene has had dodgy shit goin down from the beginning. It kinda is more fun that way, nothing like goin to a crap party to really make you appreciate an event that is done well and with good intentions. Nothing like goin to the maritime and being treated like you are a criminal or retarded by macho aggressive security, to make you appreciate promoters who really care how you are treated at thier parties. There are only a few kinds of parties, good ones, eh the djs were good but the vibe sucked ones, and bad ones. The main point is that each of us chooses what to consume, and if you cannot figure out who the good promoters are then maybe you should consider pulling your friends together and doing your own stuff. All the best ug crews started cause the established promoters weren't filling the needs and what promoters do isn't really that hard. Especially if you are sick of massives, and you want to just do things much smaller and more underground. When you do things out of love and not love of money, they always work out in some way. Another idea, instead of blacklisting would be to create a union. A union of party players. There is a hip hop union in LA, where they use their collective power to garuntee they don't get fucked over by promoters. And they have the power to garuntee a set wage for their time. Promoters could have a union as well to garuntee certain standards in party throwing, like free water, ventilation, nice security, and other basic stuff that might make you respect em a little more. They could use this union to negotiate with spaces and to get more concessions from spaces. And maybe they could coordinate their schedules a little easier and problems like sat could be avoided. Unions not blacklisting, bring unity not divisiveness. word to the ilwu... tc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69733-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:05:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73274 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:05:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73261 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:05:08 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.20.56.38] From: "Macadio G." To: moda@trancefusion.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:04:23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 19:04:23.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[C86563E0:01C11605] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! Just playing Devils Advocate But his Party that he had planned in Fremont was SHUT DOWN. Before it started and of course being the wise business man that he is. He did not sell any pre-sales for the event there for no one could really talk shit. I don't think that ANY promoter in this scene is above the law and can FULLY gurantee any event cause after all NOTHING in life in guaranteed except life and death. Peace, Macadio >From: MODA >To: sfraves , sacraves >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:48:55 -0800 > >I've been playing for and have worked with Vlad for many years and I can't >recall a Feel Good event that has been shut down, or didn't happen due to >politics or losing a venue just before an event (no offense to Area 51 >intended). In my experiences with Vlad, he makes certain that his venue is >contracted before establishing a line-up and a flyer. Isn't that the way >things are supposed to be done? > >Vlad has a lot of pride in our scene and his participation in the political >realm has given us the opportunity to play and promote events in the San >Francisco Bay Area. His dedication to our scene deserves praise. >I've been asked to play at his event and I'm looking forward to it. > >Promote and party responsibly! It's only fair to those that purchase >tickets >and attend.... > >Just my .02 > >8) MODA > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69734-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:20:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85392 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:20:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85382 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:20:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.34.13] From: "Chris V" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:19:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 19:19:17.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD68CE60:01C11607] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Online Deep House I have an off-list buddy who spins deep house and wants to start buying online. Does anyone know of any good sites to pick up deep house? Thanks. -=Chris=- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69735-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:27:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90776 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:27:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90763 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:27:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726192701.79268.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] suburban high school education :) nrr not a good thing, particularly if that is all the small minded person gets in life...not a good survival experience.... might lead an extra lonely life...might have to hide at an office job forever or continually hold plastic utensil sales or make a cookbook with the other christian woman in the neighborhood for cash for hamburger helper for the kids...no sensual life ever....conversely, i can't say that being educated in a major city high school is the way to go either.... especially if kid from suburbia is transfered at the age of 15 to the inner city school...could get shot for akward speech... won't make the football team for sure...probably won't have any friends at all...suburbia...maybe home education would be better, but, maybe the parents have put the child in an institution for a very good reason. look around and see whose walking in your world. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69736-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:31:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95925 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:31:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95914 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:31:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:30:46 -0700 Message-Id: <200107261930.MAA15059@mail24.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [207.113.161.90] From: "*madhvi *" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP--FLAVOUR ON SATURDAY--JULY 28 Hey all, This is one of my favorite favorite dance parties in the city! If u love the Sunset vibe and the Dubtribe vibe, you will love this gathering! Uniting Souls is super down, about the music, what more can i say? oh yeah, AND, they got Heather (Om Records, Superjane) and she is some serious goddess energy! If you've never gone, check it out! if u bring canned goods, it's only $10. 21+ much love and light, madhvi p.s.-this is also my chance to meet all of you whom i haven't met! i'll be working the SFLNC table, so come say hi!! ====================================================================== >Uniting Souls : unificationthroughart&music > > >SATURDAY--July 28th >Flavor @ Jelly's pier50 (295 China basin way, SF) >21+, $15, 9pm - 4am, 415.267.3949 > >Our sixth Flavor is packed with a crazy ensemble of underground talent: > >DJ Heather >Heather's part of Chicago's all female collective known as Superjane with Colette, Dayhota, and Lady D. She's an international star having played Berlin's Love Parade, at Ministry of Sound in London, and the ACA World Soundfest in Acapulco. Don't miss her rare Bay Area performance of funky house music !! >Listen to Heather's latest CD: >http://www.epitonic.com/artists/djheather.html > >Mystic Family Circus 11pm performance >The Mystic Family Circus just recently performed with Jane's Addiction at Coachella and are just phenomenal. Part of their performance will include dressing up like Owls and singing acapella !!! They'll also be walking on stilts, playing with fire, and having ritual theatre performances. >More info: http://www.mysticfamilycircus.com/ > >DJ Riddler? LIVE 6 piece band >The Riddler? will be performing with Joonbug on stunt guitar, Alicia Esqueda on vocals, Manny Medina on bass, Jonathan Dryer on flute & sax, & Gregor on percussion. > >Rasta Cue-Tip >Rasta Cue-Tip is a Bay Area favorite with much hip-hop funk flavor for ya. > >Residents >Adnan, Moses, Ivan and Nomadeeq hold it down all night with downtempo, hip-hop, electro and breaks. > >PRESALE TICKETS : http://www.ticketweb.com Key Word: Uniting Souls > > $10 ADMISSION W/ CANNED GOODS!! > >Much love and respect to all, > >The Uniting Souls Crew, SF > > ------------------------------------------------------------ Everything starts with an E. http://www.bluelight.nu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69737-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:35:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99093 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:35:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99083 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:35:29 -0000 From: MadPnoy19@aol.com Message-ID: <22.1956c19f.2891cacc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:34:36 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_22.1956c19f.2891cacc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] A51 - Can we move on? --part1_22.1956c19f.2891cacc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my feelings exactly! -yonderB --part1_22.1956c19f.2891cacc_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69738-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:38:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3901 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:38:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3891 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:38:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726193820.66153.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: kimba Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net To: Geri Dahl , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010726192701.79268.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] suburban high school education :) nrr ok ok.. had to respond to this one. First of all .. having had a surburban high school education myself, I can attest to the fact that it does, indeed suck. Growing up in the suburbs sucks in general -- there is hardly anything to do except go to the movies, sit around in parking lots and get loaded, get into trouble.. etc etc. HOWEVER.. just because you go to high school in the suburbs does not mean that you are stuck in that mindset -- it is possible to escape. I am pretty far away from exchanging hamburger helper recipes ;) Personally, the whole time that I grew up in the burbs, I did not relate to any of my peers in particular..and knew that I would one day move to a place where the mentality and culture were a little more worldly. Anyhow.. so yeah it does suck..but there is hope. peace.. kimba --- Geri Dahl wrote: > not a good thing, particularly if that is all the > small minded person gets in life...not a good > survival > experience.... > might lead an extra lonely life...might have to hide > at an office job forever or continually hold plastic > utensil sales or make a cookbook with > the other christian woman in the neighborhood for > cash > for hamburger helper for the kids...no sensual life > ever....conversely, i can't say that being educated > in > a major city high school is the way to go either.... > especially if kid from suburbia is transfered at the > age of 15 to the inner city school...could get shot > for akward speech... > won't make the football team for sure...probably > won't > have any friends at all...suburbia...maybe home > education > would be better, but, maybe the parents have put the > child in an institution for a very good reason. look > around and see whose walking in your world. :) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69739-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:40:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5752 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:40:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5742 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:40:11 -0000 From: "G Sauce" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:44:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] underground party http://www.buddha-hifi.com/Flight.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69740-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:40:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6064 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:40:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6040 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:40:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726193955.96437.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jess ica Reply-To: thatpisces@yahoo.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1598105616-996176395=:96173" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] she killed me at the killa --0-1598105616-996176395=:96173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Had to give a quick (boh boh!) to Seraphim, creating dance floor madness again last night in the South Bay. I was glad I was able to enjoy her set from start to finish, I've noticed its a regular thing that Im always goin crazy screamin around when she comes to visit. When I was standing outside earlier in the night I was literally pulled in by the music, Proxy had the dance floor rinsin' before the guest djs showed up, I had the door guy quite entertained at my ansiness to get it =) The people love the jungle music. Jessica Ice works better when it is frozen.... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1598105616-996176395=:96173-- From sfraves-return-69741-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:47:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13507 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:47:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13493 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:47:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.34.13] From: "Chris V" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:46:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 19:46:49.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5A0F340:01C1160B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! Your comment about "not above the law" caught me. I didn't go to Area51, and have just been reading about it... so I don't have any complaints about the party persay, but people do need to realize that even though some throw illegal underground parties, and there is an illegal element to parts of the scene... how big do you think you can get and not have to deal with the law? Many have defended Area51 saying that just because "100% Permitted" was on the flier doesn't mean anything, that parties get busted all the time, and that the flier isn't the party and all that... but these people should know that if someone really wanted to, they could sue (and probably successfully) Harmony for false advertising, without having to resort to underhanded or tricky legal tactics. Even a class-action for everyone who bought a ticket, if they wanted to. The flyers ARE ads for the parties, and they presented an falsehood as truth, and it had a significant effect on party-goers. This is what these laws are designed for: to hold people accountable. Some say that would drive Harmony into bankruptcy... but... oh well. Of course it would be terrible, and legal action is tantamount to treason in our community, but that's the way it works sometimes. Massives are big business. Once you start throwing parties of that size, you've left the "underground" and should operate legitimately. Permits are required, compliance with fire safety standards are required, why think that that's all you need? Not to mention the tax situation... I don't know how many collectives that pull a profit from parties report it to the IRS, but I have a suspicion that the "rave scene" could start getting hit with audits in the near future. I DO know of some promoters that HAVE pulled SIGNIFICANT profits and NOT reported it, so this isn't too far fetched. Basically, I'm saying that once an event has progressed from a "rave" to what is essentially an "electronic music concert", why SHOULDN'T promoters be required to follow the same laws as other concert promoters? This is not a knock at Harmony. It's more like a reality check. Just because you disagree with some drug laws or noise laws or whatnot, does not mean that all laws are so unreasonable. The government, while not all that great, is not necessarily as bad as it is sometimes made out to be. -=Chris=- >From: "Macadio G." >To: moda@trancefusion.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:04:23 > >Just playing Devils Advocate But his Party that he had planned in Fremont >was SHUT DOWN. Before it started and of course being the wise business man >that he is. He did not sell any pre-sales for the event there for no one >could really talk shit. I don't think that ANY promoter in this scene is >above the law and can FULLY gurantee any event cause after all NOTHING in >life in guaranteed except life and death. > >Peace, >Macadio > > >>From: MODA >>To: sfraves , sacraves >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! >>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:48:55 -0800 >> >>I've been playing for and have worked with Vlad for many years and I can't >>recall a Feel Good event that has been shut down, or didn't happen due to >>politics or losing a venue just before an event (no offense to Area 51 >>intended). In my experiences with Vlad, he makes certain that his venue is >>contracted before establishing a line-up and a flyer. Isn't that the way >>things are supposed to be done? >> >>Vlad has a lot of pride in our scene and his participation in the >>political >>realm has given us the opportunity to play and promote events in the San >>Francisco Bay Area. His dedication to our scene deserves praise. >>I've been asked to play at his event and I'm looking forward to it. >> >>Promote and party responsibly! It's only fair to those that purchase >>tickets >>and attend.... >> >>Just my .02 >> >>8) MODA >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69742-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:55:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20288 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:55:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20278 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:55:58 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.31.96.161] From: "innocentchild  " To: lyds@home.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:55:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 19:55:11.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0FD9BA0:01C1160C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! this is my back =D ryan sninesix.design +nrg.says.grrr.rrr.rrr! evil.is.live _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69743-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 19:57:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22809 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 19:57:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22796 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 19:57:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726195729.91711.qmail@web9808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: *madhvi * , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <200107261930.MAA15059@mail24.bigmailbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP--FLAVOUR ON SATURDAY--JULY 28 fuck dude i havent even heard the name Dubtribe in like FOREVER!!!!! too bad its 21+ though..... --- *madhvi * wrote: > Hey all, > > This is one of my favorite favorite dance parties in > the city! If u love the Sunset vibe and the Dubtribe > vibe, you will love this gathering! Uniting Souls is > super down, about the music, what more can i say? > oh yeah, AND, they got Heather (Om Records, > Superjane) and she is some serious goddess energy! > If you've never gone, check it out! if u bring > canned goods, it's only $10. 21+ > > much love and light, > > madhvi > > p.s.-this is also my chance to meet all of you whom > i haven't met! i'll be working the SFLNC table, so > come say hi!! > > ====================================================================== > > >Uniting Souls : unificationthroughart&music > > > > > >SATURDAY--July 28th > >Flavor @ Jelly's pier50 (295 China basin way, SF) > >21+, $15, 9pm - 4am, 415.267.3949 > > > >Our sixth Flavor is packed with a crazy ensemble of > underground talent: > > > >DJ Heather > >Heather's part of Chicago's all female collective > known as Superjane with Colette, Dayhota, and Lady > D. She's an > international star having played Berlin's Love > Parade, at Ministry of Sound in London, and the ACA > World Soundfest in > Acapulco. Don't miss her rare Bay Area performance > of funky house music !! > > >Listen to Heather's latest CD: > >http://www.epitonic.com/artists/djheather.html > > > >Mystic Family Circus 11pm performance > >The Mystic Family Circus just recently performed > with Jane's Addiction at Coachella and are just > phenomenal. Part of their > performance will include dressing up like Owls and > singing acapella !!! They'll also be walking on > stilts, playing with fire, and > having ritual theatre performances. > >More info: http://www.mysticfamilycircus.com/ > > > >DJ Riddler? LIVE 6 piece band > >The Riddler? will be performing with Joonbug on > stunt guitar, Alicia Esqueda on vocals, Manny Medina > on bass, Jonathan > Dryer on flute & sax, & Gregor on percussion. > > > >Rasta Cue-Tip > >Rasta Cue-Tip is a Bay Area favorite with much > hip-hop funk flavor for ya. > > > >Residents > >Adnan, Moses, Ivan and Nomadeeq hold it down all > night with downtempo, hip-hop, electro and breaks. > > > >PRESALE TICKETS : http://www.ticketweb.com Key > Word: Uniting Souls > > > > $10 ADMISSION W/ CANNED GOODS!! > > > >Much love and respect to all, > > > >The Uniting Souls Crew, SF > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Everything starts with an E. > http://www.bluelight.nu/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69744-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:04:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31254 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:04:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31243 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:04:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.31.96.161] From: "innocentchild  " To: dregaron@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:04:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 20:04:10.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[22227000:01C1160E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] That N'Sync Parody WOW that's funny! I'm actually in Atlanta until monday night and went out partying last night. Met some really cool party kids and they drove me all over and hung out after my non partykid friends had taken off drunk in a cab. The bar/wannabe club scene in Buckhead is funny. People cannot dance and you can tell the dj to play songs even though he's mixing. I dun get that. I was hella drunk and told the dj I was from sf and he was all excited. Being the drunk dumbass I started telling him that he should play some super cheese foo foo. He's mixing on cd decks and has me dig through his case of cd's. I'm not a dj and I guess he seemed to think I was, but man when I handed him a bunch of 94.9 type foo foo dance he was totally into them. Started playing all of it too. I left after that and went next door. Got a promo cd from him but haven't heard it. kinda scared to. The dj next door was better. Anyway rambling here and I'm sick and hungover. great combo! I'm staying in Buckhead if that means anything so if anyone has suggestions of what to do other than check my damn email lemme know. thnx to Moda for the info on little five points. going there tomorrow to satellite records. buh bye peoples ryan Just thought everyone might find it amusing to know that the fake story about N'Sync made it to the AZ Raves listserv, via someone in Atlanta, and was being treated as a real story!! Gotta be careful of your parodies! lol -Dreg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69745-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:07:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33068 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:07:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33056 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:07:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726200643.10983.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: litterbx@ultimanet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010726185855.4169.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting vs. individual responsibility A union for people that throw parties? now I've heard everything. Use your best powers of perception. It might take a little longer, but a union would result in exactly the same bribery and corruption that a blacklist would. I can only imagine the type of backdoor dealing that goes on with the hip hop union in LA. corruption will always exist. You cannot use the threat of reduced labor in parties to "deal", or "barter" with people, no matter how many drugs you're in over your head with. Promoters can always find more high school kiddies to talk into becoming promoters themselves. The key is learning how to do business on a one-on-one basis that is mutually satisfying for both parties. --- litterbx@ultimanet.com wrote: > As cool as it would be to have the power to > blacklist. Which could become a full time scam of > monumentous proportions, free everything and more. > Imagine a san francisco council of integrity in > partying, the collecting of "gifts" from promoters > and the under the table buying of forgivenesses. > sounds kind of familar. > This scene has had dodgy shit goin down from the > beginning. It kinda is more fun that way, nothing > like goin to a crap party to really make you > appreciate an event that is done well and with good > intentions. Nothing like goin to the maritime and > being treated like you are a criminal or retarded by > macho aggressive security, to make you appreciate > promoters who really care how you are treated at > thier parties. There are only a few kinds of > parties, good ones, eh the djs were good but the > vibe sucked ones, and bad ones. The main point is > that each of us chooses what to consume, and if you > cannot figure out who the good promoters are then > maybe you should consider pulling your friends > together and doing your own stuff. All the best ug > crews started cause the established promoters > weren't filling the needs and what promoters do > isn't really that hard. Especially if you are sick > of massives, and you want to just do things much > smaller and more underground. When you do things > out of love and not love of money, they always work > out in some way. > Another idea, instead of blacklisting would be to > create a union. A union of party players. There is > a hip hop union in LA, where they use their > collective power to garuntee they don't get fucked > over by promoters. And they have the power to > garuntee a set wage for their time. Promoters could > have a union as well to garuntee certain standards > in party throwing, like free water, ventilation, > nice security, and other basic stuff that might make > you respect em a little more. They could use this > union to negotiate with spaces and to get more > concessions from spaces. And maybe they could > coordinate their schedules a little easier and > problems like sat could be avoided. > > Unions not blacklisting, bring unity not > divisiveness. word to the ilwu... tc > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69746-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:07:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34447 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:07:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34437 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:07:43 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.81.51.246] From: "rashida= audioangel" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:06:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 20:06:55.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[84FB27D0:01C1160E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: The Bored Collective meets Thursday, July 26 Hi people! Just a reminder, I'll be reading at this really neato thingee tonight. c'mon by. oh sure. love, ms. angel The Bored Collective meets Thursday, July 26 at 26 Mix, 3024 Mission Street, San Francisco Doors, 9 pm Performances, 10 to 11:45 Music, 9 'til 2 theboredcollective@hotmail.com Are you over it? Would you rather just sit at home and gripe about how tired everything is, how no one knows good music anymore, and how you can never get laid? Then come down and join us at The Bored Collective, a drunken, loosely organized monthly reading and performance forum for the dance music community. Come hear tales of rave drama, club nightmares, and. proudly illegal achievements with a laid back crowd who feels your pain (or triumph). At our fourth Bored Collective meeting we will have storytelling by an assortment of nightlife addicts - Polywog, Audio Angel (Eklektic/MECHASoul), Mr. Brown (Elephunk), Andie P. Cotton, Beth Lisick (Manic D Press), Hans Kaufmann, Marke Bieschke's Guide to Guidos Puppet Show, Jonathan Wright, Billee Sharp (Reflective Records), and Amanda Nowinski. Hosted by Holly Roberts. Past readers include Spooky, UFO!, Felix the Dog, Markie from Wicked, Toph One, PUSH, and Ms. E, to name a few And certainly, we have music with our resident DJ, SF's finest experimental techno producer, Jonah Sharp (Spacetime Continuum, Reflective Records), and our guest, breaks specialist DJ Anon of Eye Phunk Records. At midnight we will have a special, exclusive live performance from Velocette (aka Jason Williams), a New York based techno producer who runs the widely respected Parallel Recordings. Expect a set that combines elements of techno, electro, ambient & house. Come down early to the Bored Collective, an event so lame it's better to arrive before midnight. "within each of us is a loving magical, powerful being...a real self. Music, friend that it is, cocoons us from our worries, enabling that hidden self to emerge" - terence yallop http://www.rashida.com t h e v o i c e o f t h e f u t u r e http://www.eklektic.net Check out me, the Audio Angel, Saturdays at Cat Club in SF! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69747-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:07:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34996 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:07:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34971 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:07:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: , "Geri Dahl" , References: <20010726193820.66153.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:16:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 20:07:01.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[885B69D0:01C1160E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] suburban high school education :) nrr I actually Lived in the oakland area around E14th while going to highschool in pleasanton at Amadore Valley High School... So I had friends in both worlds and still do. None of them as far as i can remember ever exchanged recipies for anything. In fact when i think about it, I would be more scared of the guys i went to school with that wanted so bad to be bad (cause theres not much else you can do to rebel against your parents in the burbs) than i am of those nice guys who hang out around the corner from my house smokin weed and drinkin 40s on the stoop... In fact they were cool to talk to alot of the time. Its just funny to me that kimba said ::snip:: place where the mentality and culture were a little more worldly. ::/snip:: I assume he was speaking about the city as that wordly place... and its true that in the city you will find a more diverse atmosphere. But I remember alot of the kids that went to my high school going on vacation out of the country because it was within there families means. In my experience you dont find this as much in non suberban schools (and its getting harder to distinguesh between the two because of the way the bay area is layed out and our drasticly changing econimy... like sanjose used to be a burb) Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff Oh and please excuse me if this was hard to understand, Im just a tad not myself at the moment ;?) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69748-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:17:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43990 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:17:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43979 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:17:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726201651.9402.qmail@web9804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Ecko , Tera Ball , sf Cc: f8 In-Reply-To: <008301c11600$c44d5ce0$280110ac@nick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! The argument is not who CREATED the picture, the argument is who PLACED it on sfraves to be used as a scapegoat to laugh at because somebody might have been feeling a little down about him/herself this morning for creating a little too much insignificant drama on a little insignificant mailing list for little insignificant rave parties. Perhaps this is also a person who feels he needs to look down on the mentally handicapped for a lack of love in his own life. Personally, I have had several close buddies that were mentally handicapped. We all talk about how our experiences influence our actions. Well, let me tell you, the mentally handicapped are certainly not handicapped when it comes to expressing love. --- Ecko wrote: > You act is if I made the damn picture..Maybe you > should attack the person > who made it not the people that think it's funny. > And it's not making fun of > handicap people it's saying arguing on the internet > is retarded..Okay dense > people. > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tera Ball" > To: "Ecko" ; "sf" > > Cc: "f8" > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > > > > > No! That isn't something to think about! That > is so mean! > > Ecko wrote: > http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > > > > Nick > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69749-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:22:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48098 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:22:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 48088 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:22:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726202149.93789.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: kimba Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net To: LAGISTRATE , kimba@twinphish.net, Geri Dahl , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] suburban high school education :) nrr hahha .. ok first off.. kimba is not a he.. I'm a SHE. but that's ok secondly.. yeah you are right -- suburban kids tend to have more money and therefore access to other countries via family vacations.. etc etc. Poor use of words I guess.. I meant to say that the mindset and culture "in general" of surburbia tends to be very "white" very conservative.. not very accepting of other cultures.. This is just a generalization.. i know that there are exceptions to the rule -- there always are ;) kimba --- LAGISTRATE wrote: > I actually Lived in the oakland area around E14th > while going to highschool > in pleasanton at Amadore Valley High School... So I > had friends in both > worlds and still do. None of them as far as i can > remember ever exchanged > recipies for anything. In fact when i think about > it, I would be more scared > of the guys i went to school with that wanted so bad > to be bad (cause theres > not much else you can do to rebel against your > parents in the burbs) than i > am of those nice guys who hang out around the corner > from my house smokin > weed and drinkin 40s on the stoop... In fact they > were cool to talk to alot > of the time. Its just funny to me that kimba said > ::snip:: place where the > mentality and culture were a little more worldly. > ::/snip:: I assume he was > speaking about the city as that wordly place... and > its true that in the > city you will find a more diverse atmosphere. But I > remember alot of the > kids that went to my high school going on vacation > out of the country > because it was within there families means. In my > experience you dont find > this as much in non suberban schools (and its > getting harder to distinguesh > between the two because of the way the bay area is > layed out and our > drasticly changing econimy... like sanjose used to > be a burb) > > Dancin for SMILES =) > Cliff > > Oh and please excuse me if this was hard to > understand, Im just a tad not > myself at the moment ;?) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69750-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:30:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64836 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:30:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64826 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:30:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.82.101.130] From: "Audra Olazabal" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:29:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 20:29:41.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2D23420:01C11611] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... Well, there's no doubt i'm going to be there...and i know the rest of the crew is coming...even melanie (stormrose) has made it out (yay!)...but i just wanted to do a roll call and see who else on SFR is planning on being in attendance this evening... it's gonna be a big night, ladies and gentlemen... *i'm SO excited! i just want to eep! constantly... *audra* oh, and those who don't know, here's the lineup: 9:00-11:00 Tirrell vs. Alkaline a.k.a Mc Master Max B. 11:00-2:00 JENÖ (!!!!!!!!!!!) 18-20 - $7, 21+ - $5 ID’s Required, Full Bar, Pool Table, Video Games, Free Water www.acmeparty.com Blake’s, 2367 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69751-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:33:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68097 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:33:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68086 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:33:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:38:49 -0700 From: kj To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <00e501c11612$f9f770d0$6e01a8c0@kj> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ** M Y X **KELLYS MISSION ROCK > **************************************************************************** > > > myx / friday / July 27th./ 9pm-4am / mission rock / > > **************************************************************************** > > > psychedelic trance on the water > and under the stars ! > > CELEBRATING CEIBA RECORDS LONG AWAITED "LANGUAGE OF LIGHT > 03_CALTRANS "CD > RELEASE , GIVING YOU A TASTE OF SAN FRANCISCO'S FINEST > PSY/TRANCEPRODUCERS, > LIFE TESTED AT THE SOLIPSE PARTY IN ZAMBIA (AFRICA), > AVAILABLE AT THE NEW "CEIBA" STORE @ > 463 HAIGHT STREET ( FILLMORE / HAIGHT), > SEE YOU ON THE DANCEFLOOR, > PEACE, > > > DJs > > JAYDEE > > KJ (EYEPHUNK) > > KODE IV (CEIBA RECORDS) > > > > mission rock 817china basin-near illinois/mariposa > > 415.820.3215 > > http://giantwatchface.com/myx > > > > > > -- ceiba records san francisco > > at the place where the drum is played there you will find peace > > > > http://www.ceibarec.com > > http://www.ceibaweb.com > > http://www.ceibamarket.com > > > > ceiba@ceibarec.com > > tel. 415.437.9598 > > > > > > > > --- > "Our lives are unlimited, yet we create glass ceilings as we progress.... Every now and again, it would be wise to float a balloon." > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69752-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92916 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:53:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92878 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:53:44 -0000 Date: 26 Jul 2001 13:53:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20010726205317.17688.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 26 Jul 2001 20:53:17 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: litterbx@ultimanet.com X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting vs. individual responsibility I knew it would be a popular idea.;) The LA union is not part of organized crime as you seem to imply, but is a way for individual djs to book their own life and have some garuntee that they will get paid. Like an agent, but done together collectively. I don't really think that the union idea would work for our scene, it is way too competative and everybody kinda wants to out do one another. But if for some reason that changed, promoters working together could change some of the crappy aspects of how things are done. After all the crap that has happened at the maritime and how they treat patrons, note the word patrons ie the people that are paying them, it seems totally odd that promoters still use that space. That seems like the most glaring example of the lack of concern for the folks that go to parties. That one on one stuff. I am an idealist, you know things can be what we want them to be. tc ------- End of forwarded message ------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69753-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:54:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94945 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:54:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94935 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:54:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726205344.14580.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: PimpStress To: Chris V Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! I had a bad experience with Survival and now i wont go to brainchiled parties the promoters never got back to my emails and everytime i went to their record shop they were never open if u cancel a party or it goes bust then you should stop selling tickets and refund money just my 2 cents yas --- Chris V wrote: > Your comment about "not above the law" caught me. I > didn't go to Area51, and > have just been reading about it... so I don't have > any complaints about the > party persay, but people do need to realize that > even though some throw > illegal underground parties, and there is an illegal > element to parts of the > scene... how big do you think you can get and not > have to deal with the law? > Many have defended Area51 saying that just because > "100% Permitted" was on > the flier doesn't mean anything, that parties get > busted all the time, and > that the flier isn't the party and all that... but > these people should know > that if someone really wanted to, they could sue > (and probably successfully) > Harmony for false advertising, without having to > resort to underhanded or > tricky legal tactics. Even a class-action for > everyone who bought a ticket, > if they wanted to. The flyers ARE ads for the > parties, and they presented an > falsehood as truth, and it had a significant effect > on party-goers. This is > what these laws are designed for: to hold people > accountable. Some say that > would drive Harmony into bankruptcy... but... oh > well. Of course it would be > terrible, and legal action is tantamount to treason > in our community, but > that's the way it works sometimes. Massives are big > business. Once you start > throwing parties of that size, you've left the > "underground" and should > operate legitimately. Permits are required, > compliance with fire safety > standards are required, why think that that's all > you need? Not to mention > the tax situation... I don't know how many > collectives that pull a profit > from parties report it to the IRS, but I have a > suspicion that the "rave > scene" could start getting hit with audits in the > near future. I DO know of > some promoters that HAVE pulled SIGNIFICANT profits > and NOT reported it, so > this isn't too far fetched. > > Basically, I'm saying that once an event has > progressed from a "rave" to > what is essentially an "electronic music concert", > why SHOULDN'T promoters > be required to follow the same laws as other concert > promoters? > > This is not a knock at Harmony. It's more like a > reality check. Just because > you disagree with some drug laws or noise laws or > whatnot, does not mean > that all laws are so unreasonable. The government, > while not all that great, > is not necessarily as bad as it is sometimes made > out to be. > > -=Chris=- > > >From: "Macadio G." > >To: moda@trancefusion.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, > sacraves@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a > joke?! > >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:04:23 > > > >Just playing Devils Advocate But his Party that he > had planned in Fremont > >was SHUT DOWN. Before it started and of course > being the wise business man > >that he is. He did not sell any pre-sales for the > event there for no one > >could really talk shit. I don't think that ANY > promoter in this scene is > >above the law and can FULLY gurantee any event > cause after all NOTHING in > >life in guaranteed except life and death. > > > >Peace, > >Macadio > > > > > >>From: MODA > >>To: sfraves , sacraves > > >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a > joke?! > >>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:48:55 -0800 > >> > >>I've been playing for and have worked with Vlad > for many years and I can't > >>recall a Feel Good event that has been shut down, > or didn't happen due to > >>politics or losing a venue just before an event > (no offense to Area 51 > >>intended). In my experiences with Vlad, he makes > certain that his venue is > >>contracted before establishing a line-up and a > flyer. Isn't that the way > >>things are supposed to be done? > >> > >>Vlad has a lot of pride in our scene and his > participation in the > >>political > >>realm has given us the opportunity to play and > promote events in the San > >>Francisco Bay Area. His dedication to our scene > deserves praise. > >>I've been asked to play at his event and I'm > looking forward to it. > >> > >>Promote and party responsibly! It's only fair to > those that purchase > >>tickets > >>and attend.... > >> > >>Just my .02 > >> > >>8) MODA > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69754-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 20:56:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99367 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 20:56:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 99356 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 20:56:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:54:33 EDT From: ClockworkEventz@aol.com To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <92.17f942ff.2891dd8a@aol.com> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] A51 - Can we move on? Like Mekka SF, Sept 1, 2001 Labor Day weekend --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69755-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:02:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6988 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:02:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6977 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:02:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726210148.13812.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... Heh... replied to Audra and forgot the list... I'll be there tonight, for my first Ascension. I hope to see some faces, both new and old out there tonight... give a holler!! -Dreg --- Audra Olazabal wrote: > Well, there's no doubt i'm going to be there...and i > know the rest of the > crew is coming...even melanie (stormrose) has made > it out (yay!)...but i > just wanted to do a roll call and see who else on > SFR is planning on being > in attendance this evening... > > it's gonna be a big night, ladies and gentlemen... > > *i'm SO excited! i just want to eep! constantly... > > *audra* > > oh, and those who don't know, here's the lineup: > 9:00-11:00 Tirrell vs. Alkaline a.k.a Mc Master Max > B. > 11:00-2:00 JENÖ (!!!!!!!!!!!) > > 18-20 - $7, 21+ - $5 > ID’s Required, Full Bar, Pool Table, Video Games, > Free Water > www.acmeparty.com > Blake’s, 2367 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69756-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:02:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8512 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:02:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8502 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:02:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:59:04 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] unsubscribe me how many times do we have to go over this? here is the procedure for unsubscribing. first email mike migurski, he will pass it off to terry estioko, boomerang, or leslie, if she is in town, and it will go to the committee for review. within 7-10 days you should know whether your request to unsubscribe is approved or not! do NOT send these requests to happy kid marty! >"Dont ever stop dancing it'll keep you young!" >Harry Slifman's (my grandpa) last dying qoute. >True house music is an instrument of GOD, if this instrument is used wisely >it can change your soul!!! >True house music consists of four main ingredients; >A cup of spirituality >A tablespoon of love >A dash of togetherness >and a pinch of soul penetrating beats > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69757-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:03:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10122 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:03:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10103 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:03:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:03:06 -0700 Message-Id: <200107262103.OAA25873@mail13.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [207.113.161.193] From: "*madhvi *" To: fuzzybunnies@yahoogroups.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Saturday Art Happenings k Petrakis Saturday Art Happenings >>Big fun, one night only, cool art, great people... >> >>------------------------------------------- >>In SF: >> >>The Artists of Coalesce invite you to: >> >>C A T A L Y S T >> >>**One Night Only** >> >>Saturday July 28th, 2001 – 6 pm to 12 midnight >> >>Balazo Gallery >>2811 Mission (@24th St. – next to McDonalds) >> >>Catalyst is a Art Show of Bay Area Artists drawn together by Coalesce. >> >>Coalesce welcomes artists who choose to create art in their own space, on >>their own time and who, traditionally, do not seek venues for showing their >>art. We invite them on a journey to explore working within a creative >>community, culminating in an exhibition of their work. >> >>Working within a variety of media including painting, collage, performance, >>video, sculpture and photography; the artists of Coalesce are: >>Albert McFarland >>Bobby Wilder >>Cary Okano >>Darin Bendall >>Harriet Gray >>Lee Dean >>Lin Andrews >>Meg Hillie >>Rob Jensen >>Starboy >>Susan Murdoch >>Ward Ruth >>Warren Trezevant >> >>Visit our Website: http://www.CoalesceSF.com >> >>-------------------------------------------- >>In Santa Rosa: >> >>IGNITION PARTY - Luther Burbank Center for the Arts - >>Sat. 28 - Santa Rosa >> >>Where: The grounds of the Luther Burbank Center for the Arts, >>Off highway 101 on the north end of Santa Rosa. For directions: >>http://www.lbc.net >> >>When: Saturday, July 28, 6-11pm >> >>What: Join the Sonoma Museum of Visual Art and the Northern California >>Bohemian for this unique celebration of Art from Burning Man. The party >>begins at 6 pm. Bring a picnic and meet the artists who have installed >>large, interactive sculptures. At 8:30 pm the fire ceremony begins with >>Elizabeth Moriarty as Mistress of Ceremonies. Bring an instrument and join >>in a jam session under the tent. Adorn yourself in costume and get in for >>free. >> >>Artists: Byron Chell, Michael Christian, Cassidy Curtis, Charles Gadeken, >>Steve Hall, Dale Huntsman, Dan Das Mann, Steven Raspa, Christopher Schardt, >>Greg Scoby, Becky Stillwell, Michael Tscheu >> >>Fire Performers: Marque Cornblatt, Rebecca Firstone, Susan Glover, Elizabeth >>Moriarty, Pamela Quatrocchi, Chris Sia, Diana Thompson, and Tobias >>Weinberger >> >>----------------------------------------- >>* Next Anon, SUMMERSION/ August 10 @ Café Cocomo >>Updates @ http://www.anonsalon.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ Everything starts with an E. http://www.bluelight.nu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69758-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:09:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16192 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16182 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[146CAD50:01C11617] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! Nuff Said. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69759-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:12:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21146 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:12:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21136 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:12:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:18:26 -0700 From: kj To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <001501c11618$82a608b0$6e01a8c0@kj> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_wdpSP/41EazyhtWV2RS8kg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TONITE GLIMPSE PARTY --Boundary_(ID_wdpSP/41EazyhtWV2RS8kg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Glimpse ....the future of Psychedelic Trance fourth thursday of the month Thursday Presented by Paradox & Taras July 26th @ Club Galia Main Room: Psychedelic Trance KJ [eyephynk] Valentin & T*Mark [tarasov] Live /dj set Dinamite ( Virtual escape) The Balcony: Techno/Trance Grisha [paradox] Rooz [paradox] Jordan Joves [clockwork eventz/technorepublic.net] 9:30 til 2am 18+ to enter 21+ to drink w/ID Club Galia 2565 Mission St.@ 21st, San Francisco for more info call 650-302-3105 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- eyephunk label group & distribution keshav jiwnani [kj] : kj@eyephunk.com http://www.eyephunk.com +1 415-551-1884 office +1 415-703-0451 fax --Boundary_(ID_wdpSP/41EazyhtWV2RS8kg)-- From sfraves-return-69760-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:18:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31082 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:18:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31072 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:18:33 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.22] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: thedfdoc@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:17:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:17:43.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[688D6E50:01C11618] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! Yeah, I have "heard" enough about the brain child ent. group. Moving back to the bay area from LA not too long ago and already hearing nasty rumors about this group. I am glad that i did not even attempt to go. False advertisement at its best. Shame. Shame. Peace, Aaron P.S Jeno tonite! >From: "DF doc" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD29D1DE00B640043896D185531604D80; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:08:46 -0700 >Received: (qmail 16192 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 >Received: (qmail 16182 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-69758-aaronhdixon Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:09:04 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12.0581 (UTC) >FILETIME=[146CAD50:01C11617] >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >Nuff Said. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69761-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:20:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37749 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:20:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 37722 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:20:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.106.22] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:20:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:20:05.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD3E7DE0:01C11618] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Who is going to F I E S T A? Hi, It's me and I want to know who is all going to fiesta tomarrow night. I will be there prancin around like a maniac. I hope to see some of you there. Familiar faces along with new ones! Peace, Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69762-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:34:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53988 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:34:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53978 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:34:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:33:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:33:39.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[A28EE8C0:01C1161A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! Well, at the last minute, Hipp-e and Halo asked for way more money to do the gig than was originally planned. Why?!...I don't now. Not going to mention the #'s they were asking for but I got this from a good source. You are right bout one thing though...Shame. Shame. Shame, but at who's expense? I really don't care any more. The capitalistic side of things are spoiling (insert any word here) rotten! I'm doing something about it! >Yeah, I have "heard" enough about the brain child ent. group. Moving back >to the bay area from LA not too long ago and already hearing nasty rumors >about this group. I am glad that i did not even attempt to go. False >advertisement at its best. > >Shame. Shame. > >Peace, >Aaron > >P.S Jeno tonite! > >>From: "DF doc" >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! >>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12 +0000 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] >>Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >>MHotMailBD29D1DE00B640043896D185531604D80; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:08:46 -0700 >>Received: (qmail 16192 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 16182 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 >>>From sfraves-return-69758-aaronhdixon Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:09:04 -0700 >>Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >>Precedence: bulk >>X-No-Archive: yes >>list-help: >>list-unsubscribe: >>list-post: >>Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Message-ID: >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12.0581 (UTC) >>FILETIME=[146CAD50:01C11617] >>X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >> >>Nuff Said. >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69763-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:35:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55706 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:35:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55666 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:35:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:31:03 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B608C17.6081F41C@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ANTHEM_Tonight@Maritime-SubLevel.bsp A~N~T~H~E~M Thonight Thursday July 26th!!! Feel Good All-Stars: DJ Durben, Alain Octavo vs. Austin Payen Special Guest: DJ Joey Mazzola (Soulmatic, Radioactive) Maritime Sub-Level 375 1st St. @ Harrison St. San Francisco 18+ with valid ID 9pm – 2am. $5 Before 10pm / $10 After. VIP 21+ FUBAR Hosted By The luscious ladies of Feel Good :)~~ Anthem Club Line: 650-568-1338 Buzz-Line: 650-569-3300 http://www.globalparty.com Keep it Real Good With Feel Good --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69764-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:40:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61453 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:40:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61443 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:40:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726214003.15281.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Switch To: DF doc , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! --- DF doc wrote: > Nuff Said. More like thier plane tickets were'nt purchased and thier deposits were never recieved..they cancelled nothing.. ===== Resource Records - Jump Recordings - Particle Music http://www.resourcerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69765-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:48:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71092 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:48:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71081 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:48:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:47:38 -0700 From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010726144737.A21035@nebcorp.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg , sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Sauce@buddha-hifi.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 12:44:43PM -0700 Organization: Nebcorp.com: ruling your world since 1998 X-Mailer-Holy-War: Get Mutt, it bites! X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] underground party [G Sauce ] > http://www.buddha-hifi.com/Flight.htm > Not anymore! Oh, well. -- Ari there is no spoon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nebcorp.com/~regs/pgp for PGP public key --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69766-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:50:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75064 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:50:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75054 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:50:35 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:50:55 -0800 From: MODA To: Switch , DF doc , sfraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010726214003.15281.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! 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(415) 215-1612 FAX (510) 339-3887 http://www.trancefusion.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69767-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 21:55:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82851 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:55:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 82834 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:55:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726215456.19481.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Jackson To: Ecko , sf Cc: f8 In-Reply-To: <001f01c115f7$a42f4030$280110ac@nick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-872055888-996184496=:19467" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! --0-872055888-996184496=:19467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I really don't find that funny AT ALL. In fact, that was pretty immature and offensive; of course, I wouldn't expect anything else from you. Jamie Ecko wrote: http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." ~ Oscar Wilde --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-872055888-996184496=:19467-- From sfraves-return-69768-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 22:00:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90671 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 22:00:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 90659 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:00:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [172.167.68.119] From: "veronica la rosa" To: drkstar927@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:59:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:59:16.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[36D89C80:01C1161E] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... Well I'll be there (like usual). And I'm bringing my posse of non-raver friends. They should be funny to watch. Did I just say posse? I can't decide if I like that word or not... -Veronica- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69769-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 22:00:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91467 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 22:00:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 91439 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:00:18 -0000 Message-ID: <008601c1161e$54a194b0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "Jamie Jackson" , "sf" Cc: "f8" References: <20010726215456.19481.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:00:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! Lemme see no " OMG nick you are so immature cuz you have a sense of humor..Don't you know in my perfect world we don't laugh at the less unfortunate unless it is a three legged dog with 1 eye. Now that is funny, retarded people should not be depicted running down a track. I mean how often do you see a retard on a track " Oh by the way I have three family members that are handicap and a co worker brother is handicap..AND WE ALL LAUGHED. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Jackson" To: "Ecko" ; "sf" Cc: "f8" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > I really don't find that funny AT ALL. In fact, that was pretty immature and offensive; of course, I wouldn't expect anything else from you. > Jamie > Ecko wrote: http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." ~ Oscar Wilde > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69770-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 22:02:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96094 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 22:02:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96084 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:02:31 -0000 From: UGMoVeMeNtPrOd@aol.com Message-ID: <76.da46dda.2891ed12@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:00:50 EDT To: stephanie@junglist.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, asindee@yahoo.com, cancontrl@hotmail.com CC: ianmcdonelle@flashflyer.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_76.da46dda.2891ed12_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RE: COMPRESSION --part1_76.da46dda.2891ed12_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit haha LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT JACKED DEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! why the fuck did u donate $20 anyway? Oh i know why :) You should go back and pimp slap the hoes who jacked you hahahahAh --part1_76.da46dda.2891ed12_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69771-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 22:07:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3315 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 22:07:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3305 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:07:24 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [149.136.226.17] From: "Hobbit ." To: dregaron@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:06:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 22:06:32.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A9BC990:01C1161F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... I'll probably make it out too. I just can't resist hearing Jeno for only $5 and 5 minutes from my house! See ya all there! Hobbit >From: Dregaron Starlighter >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:01:48 -0700 (PDT) > >Heh... replied to Audra and forgot the list... > >I'll be there tonight, for my first Ascension. I hope >to see some faces, both new and old out there >tonight... give a holler!! > >-Dreg > >--- Audra Olazabal wrote: > > Well, there's no doubt i'm going to be there...and i > > know the rest of the > > crew is coming...even melanie (stormrose) has made > > it out (yay!)...but i > > just wanted to do a roll call and see who else on > > SFR is planning on being > > in attendance this evening... > > > > it's gonna be a big night, ladies and gentlemen... > > > > *i'm SO excited! i just want to eep! constantly... > > > > *audra* > > > > oh, and those who don't know, here's the lineup: > > 9:00-11:00 Tirrell vs. Alkaline a.k.a Mc Master Max > > B. > > 11:00-2:00 JENÖ (!!!!!!!!!!!) > > > > 18-20 - $7, 21+ - $5 > > ID’s Required, Full Bar, Pool Table, Video Games, > > Free Water > > www.acmeparty.com > > Blake’s, 2367 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley. > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69772-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 22:07:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5198 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 22:07:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5187 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:07:53 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.25.20.114] From: "jason" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:07:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 22:07:01.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BB9A760:01C1161F] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] thumpthumpthump a short while ago someone suggested that thump radio help itself out of its financial difficulties by selling cds of its archived shows... the thumper (sorry, i've deleted the post and can't be more specific) who responded seemed very enthusiastic about the idea. i was curious if anyone could tell me whether anything is likely to come of this? i would absolutely be willing to support thump by buying cds... in fact, i am more than willing, i am eager. what's an eager beaver to do? j _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69773-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 22:08:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8037 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 22:08:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8020 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:08:39 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20010726150757.034b9d48@qix.netcorps.com> X-Sender: raver%sarilion.org@qix.netcorps.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:09:02 -0700 To: sf From: Raver In-Reply-To: <20010726201651.9402.qmail@web9804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <008301c11600$c44d5ce0$280110ac@nick> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! oose da nowa sarilion >Well, let me tell >you, the mentally handicapped are certainly not >handicapped when it comes to expressing love. >--- Ecko wrote: > > You act is if I made the damn picture..Maybe you > > should attack the person > > who made it not the people that think it's funny. > > And it's not making fun of > > handicap people it's saying arguing on the internet > > is retarded..Okay dense > > people. > > Nick > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tera Ball" > > To: "Ecko" ; "sf" > > > > Cc: "f8" > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > > > > > > > > > No! That isn't something to think about! That > > is so mean! > > > Ecko wrote: > > http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > > > > > > Nick > > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-69775-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 22:43:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36076 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 22:43:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36049 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:43:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:43:17 -0700 Message-Id: <200107262243.PAA06886@mail14.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [198.81.16.163] From: "dj huey" To: thedfdoc@hotmail.com, aaronhdixon@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! Didn't BrainChild throw a party called Survival and that was all messed up too?????????????????? > "Aaron Dixon" thedfdoc@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.orgDate: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:17:42 -0700 > Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! >Yeah, I have "heard" enough about the brain child ent. group. Moving back >to the bay area from LA not too long ago and already hearing nasty rumors >about this group. I am glad that i did not even attempt to go. False >advertisement at its best. > >Shame. Shame. > >Peace, >Aaron > >P.S Jeno tonite! > >>From: "DF doc" >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! >>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12 +0000 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] >>Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >>MHotMailBD29D1DE00B640043896D185531604D80; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:08:46 -0700 >>Received: (qmail 16192 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 16182 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 >>>From sfraves-return-69758-aaronhdixon Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:09:04 -0700 >>Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >>Precedence: bulk >>X-No-Archive: yes >>list-help: >>list-unsubscribe: >>list-post: >>Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Message-ID: >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12.0581 (UTC) >>FILETIME=[146CAD50:01C11617] >>X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >> >>Nuff Said. >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------------------------------------------------------------ [- Get your own free e-mail @ http://www.crackdealer.com -] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69776-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 22:48:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41415 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 22:48:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41404 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:48:35 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.172] From: "Becca Plevin" To: hobbit94720@hotmail.com, dregaron@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:47:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 22:47:41.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA74D900:01C11624] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... Woo hoo- you know I will be there, as usual.... only one problem- every week I know there are a bunch of sfravers in the crowd, and I never meet you because I don't really feel like asking everyone "Excuse me, are you on SFR?". The general response is either a yes or a very strange look and the inevitable "what's sfr?". Normally I would just say look for the red-headed Ryan and introduce yourself, but he isn't going to be there, so no go.... hmmm, maybe veronica should wear an N'Sync t-shirt and Alida and I should wear HJBC signs around our necks! :-P Anyway, I hope a bunch of you come out tonight, whether or not I know you are there. :-) Becca P.S. And no, I haven't picked out my clothes for tonight, so I can't give you a "look for the girl wearing...." to help out. I should start planning my outfits farther in advance. :-P >From: "Hobbit ." >To: dregaron@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:06:32 +0000 > >I'll probably make it out too. I just can't resist hearing Jeno for only >$5 >and 5 minutes from my house! See ya all there! >Hobbit > > >>From: Dregaron Starlighter >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... >>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:01:48 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Heh... replied to Audra and forgot the list... >> >>I'll be there tonight, for my first Ascension. I hope >>to see some faces, both new and old out there >>tonight... give a holler!! >> >>-Dreg >> >>--- Audra Olazabal wrote: >> > Well, there's no doubt i'm going to be there...and i >> > know the rest of the >> > crew is coming...even melanie (stormrose) has made >> > it out (yay!)...but i >> > just wanted to do a roll call and see who else on >> > SFR is planning on being >> > in attendance this evening... >> > >> > it's gonna be a big night, ladies and gentlemen... >> > >> > *i'm SO excited! i just want to eep! constantly... >> > >> > *audra* >> > >> > oh, and those who don't know, here's the lineup: >> > 9:00-11:00 Tirrell vs. Alkaline a.k.a Mc Master Max >> > B. >> > 11:00-2:00 JENÖ (!!!!!!!!!!!) >> > >> > 18-20 - $7, 21+ - $5 >> > ID’s Required, Full Bar, Pool Table, Video Games, >> > Free Water >> > www.acmeparty.com >> > Blake’s, 2367 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley. >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >>http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69777-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 22:57:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49059 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 22:57:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 49047 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:57:55 -0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_996188132-10488-0" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:55:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: Dregaron Starlighter , sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.76] Message-Id: <20010726225533.835142756@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... ------------=_996188132-10488-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Look 4 me!!!!=0D =3D=3D Later {8O)=0D Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O=A7BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... ------------=_996188132-10488-0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.133.83.22]) by imta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 788671911E7 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6988 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 21:02:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6977 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:02:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726210148.13812.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dregaron Starlighter To: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... Sender: sfraves-return-69755-osby=ratkoonrat.net@hyperreal.org Heh... replied to Audra and forgot the list... I'll be there tonight, for my first Ascension. I hope to see some faces, both new and old out there tonight... give a holler!! -Dreg --- Audra Olazabal wrote: > Well, there's no doubt i'm going to be there...and i > know the rest of the > crew is coming...even melanie (stormrose) has made > it out (yay!)...but i > just wanted to do a roll call and see who else on > SFR is planning on being > in attendance this evening... > > it's gonna be a big night, ladies and gentlemen... > > *i'm SO excited! i just want to eep! constantly... > > *audra* > > oh, and those who don't know, here's the lineup: > 9:00-11:00 Tirrell vs. Alkaline a.k.a Mc Master Max > B. > 11:00-2:00 JENÖ (!!!!!!!!!!!) > > 18-20 - $7, 21+ - $5 > ID’s Required, Full Bar, Pool Table, Video Games, > Free Water > www.acmeparty.com > Blake’s, 2367 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------------=_996188132-10488-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------------=_996188132-10488-0-- From sfraves-return-69778-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 23:06:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59109 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 23:06:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 59099 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:06:03 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] From: "Cheese" To: "Jamie Jackson" , "sf" , "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" Cc: "f8" References: <20010726215456.19481.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> <008601c1161e$54a194b0$280110ac@nick> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:16:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 23:05:08.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A5ADD80:01C11627] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! I didn't want to get into this but I need to point one thing out... Think about what the message was, and think about what all of you are doing right now... There is truth in what the image says, it may be rude, inconsiderate, or whatever the hell you want to call it... but it speaks the truth! "Arguing on the Internet... Even if you win, you're still retarded!" by the way, read the fine print! it says "A very special message from JRR's Shut The Fuck Up Foundation." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ecko" To: "Jamie Jackson" ; "sf" Cc: "f8" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: F8: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > Lemme see no " OMG nick you are so immature cuz you have a sense of > humor..Don't you know in my perfect world we don't laugh at the less > unfortunate unless it is a three legged dog with 1 eye. Now that is funny, > retarded people should not be depicted running down a track. I mean how > often do you see a retard on a track " Oh by the way I have three family > members that are handicap and a co worker brother is handicap..AND WE ALL > LAUGHED. > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie Jackson" > To: "Ecko" ; "sf" > Cc: "f8" > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:54 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > > > > > I really don't find that funny AT ALL. In fact, that was pretty immature > and offensive; of course, I wouldn't expect anything else from you. > > Jamie > > Ecko wrote: > http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > > > > Nick > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." ~ > Oscar Wilde > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky.org > with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69779-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 23:10:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61924 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 23:10:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61913 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:10:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] Reply-To: "Cheese" From: "Cheese" To: "f8" , Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:20:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C115EE.EA9AD560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 23:09:25.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[033914E0:01C11628] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Timmmmay!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C115EE.EA9AD560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Timmmay! =3D) if only i had a microphone hooked up for all of to hear... Signed, Timmy Cheese itswidow@hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C115EE.EA9AD560-- From sfraves-return-69780-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 23:10:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63159 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 23:10:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63149 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:10:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:16:13 -0700 From: kj To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <006e01c11628$f70d9550$6e01a8c0@kj> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_38oIohE6MgRCfzWpZwbalQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Friday: CODE presents d:Code, a night of broken beats from the Eyephunk crew --Boundary_(ID_38oIohE6MgRCfzWpZwbalQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT `-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-. `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=, '=/ `=, /==/ /==/ /==/ /==/ /==/ /= ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,- ,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' This FRIDAY, JULY 27th we invite you to... :: d:CODE :: DNA LOUNGE| http://www.dnalounge.com| 375 11th Street . 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Separate audio and video feeds! http://www.dnalounge.com/audio http://www.dnalounge.com/cam DNA LOUNGE . http://www.dnalounge.com . 415.626.1409 -- "Music is the electrical soil in which the Spirit lives, thinks and invents." _________________________-- Ludwig van Beethoven HTTP://www.DNALounge.com Go there Discover new music Dance --- eyephunk label group & distribution keshav jiwnani [kj] : kj@eyephunk.com http://www.eyephunk.com +1 415-551-1884 office +1 415-703-0451 fax --Boundary_(ID_38oIohE6MgRCfzWpZwbalQ)-- From sfraves-return-69781-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 23:22:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81322 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 23:22:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 81312 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:22:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: deepfog@deepfog.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:21:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 23:21:07.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5961070:01C11629] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting >it's a committee of three... > >you (DJ howlin Bob), "dank smoker", and vix. > >... ! ... has veto power. > >the criteria is it has to be worthy of scandalous, sensational, >eye-glazing television news. no, thank you...if i had a wish to exercise that sort of power, i'd have gone into politics or religion ;o) --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69782-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 23:26:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89763 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 23:26:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89713 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:26:48 -0000 Errors-To: Message-ID: <001601c1162a$5da1b200$3147010a@usoce> Reply-To: "Cowboy Joe" From: "Cowboy Joe" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:26:13 -0700 Organization: The Y2K Hippya MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C115EF.B02709C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP:Need Lighting for your party? ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C115EF.B02709C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Y2KHippys has an Awesome setup full of Intelegent lighting. Verry = adaptable to fit any venue. Amazingly cheep prices for small partys! = Plenty of open dates on the calendar. Please Visit www.y2kh.net=20 Thanks, Cowboy Joe Founder & Lighting Engineer The Y2KHippys www.y2kh.net Blue Green Resident Dancer ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C115EF.B02709C0-- From sfraves-return-69783-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 23:42:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8345 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 23:42:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 8331 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:42:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726234144.86647.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:41:44 -0700 (PDT) From: babeegurl M To: DF doc , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! Actually, from an inside source at another booking agency who has a friend that works with the guys who book Hipp-E and Halo (great to have friends, huh???)... seems another production company was actually doing a cost share thing for some of the artists that these guys book. (That is where a couple of promoters get together and book several artists at the same time to get a lower price) Supposedly, the booking agency received 1/2 the money ("the one for a Wednesday night appearance in Mountaindale or wherever was paid") but the other promoter (the one who actually signed the contract as the lead) never sent their cash. Seems that same production company that was supposed to sign things also "had an event over the weekend and some of the other artists through the agency didn't get paid" so the agency decided to cancel the whole contract. :o) Mary Knowledge is power!!! YO JOE!!! --- DF doc wrote: > Well, at the last minute, Hipp-e and Halo asked for > way more money to do the > gig than was originally planned. Why?!...I don't > now. Not going to mention > the #'s they were asking for but I got this from a > good source. > > You are right bout one thing though...Shame. Shame. > Shame, but at who's > expense? I really don't care any more. > > The capitalistic side of things are spoiling (insert > any word here) rotten! > > I'm doing something about it! > > >Yeah, I have "heard" enough about the brain child > ent. group. Moving back > >to the bay area from LA not too long ago and > already hearing nasty rumors > >about this group. I am glad that i did not even > attempt to go. False > >advertisement at its best. > > > >Shame. Shame. > > > >Peace, > >Aaron > > > >P.S Jeno tonite! > > > >>From: "DF doc" > >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >>Subject: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! > >>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12 +0000 > >>MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] > >>Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com > (3.2) with ESMTP id > >>MHotMailBD29D1DE00B640043896D185531604D80; Thu, 26 > Jul 2001 14:08:46 -0700 > >>Received: (qmail 16192 invoked by uid 1104); 26 > Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 > >>Received: (qmail 16182 invoked from network); 26 > Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 > >>From sfraves-return-69758-aaronhdixon Thu, 26 Jul > 2001 14:09:04 -0700 > >>Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; > run by ezmlm > >>Precedence: bulk > >>X-No-Archive: yes > >>list-help: > >>list-unsubscribe: > > >>list-post: > >>Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org > >>Message-ID: > > >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12.0581 > (UTC) > >>FILETIME=[146CAD50:01C11617] > >>X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >> > >>Nuff Said. > >> > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69784-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 23:44:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11102 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 23:44:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11092 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:44:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [192.25.142.22] From: "unidentified person" To: "Cheese" , "f8" , References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:43:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 23:43:43.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE516F20:01C1162C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Timmmmay!!! hehehe http://scream.cosmega.com/southpark/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheese" To: "f8" ; Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: [sfraves] Timmmmay!!! Timmmay! =) if only i had a microphone hooked up for all of to hear... Signed, Timmy Cheese itswidow@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69785-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 23:51:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16572 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 23:51:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 16550 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:51:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726235118.21906.qmail@web9807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Ecko , Jamie Jackson , sf Cc: f8 In-Reply-To: <008601c1161e$54a194b0$280110ac@nick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! but what you failed to consider is that somebody who might be handicapped might have seen your posting and taken it out of context and thought they were being made fun of. if you dont like the treatment you receive dont treat other people with disrespect. --- Ecko wrote: > Lemme see no " OMG nick you are so immature cuz you > have a sense of > humor..Don't you know in my perfect world we don't > laugh at the less > unfortunate unless it is a three legged dog with 1 > eye. Now that is funny, > retarded people should not be depicted running down > a track. I mean how > often do you see a retard on a track " Oh by the way > I have three family > members that are handicap and a co worker brother is > handicap..AND WE ALL > LAUGHED. > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie Jackson" > To: "Ecko" ; "sf" > > Cc: "f8" > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:54 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > > > > > I really don't find that funny AT ALL. In fact, > that was pretty immature > and offensive; of course, I wouldn't expect anything > else from you. > > Jamie > > Ecko wrote: > http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > > > > Nick > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > > > > "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are > looking at the stars." ~ > Oscar Wilde > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69786-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 23:53:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20242 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 23:53:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20229 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:53:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726235254.20825.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: DJ Howlin' Bob , deepfog@deepfog.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting its funny you said that...im a politics major --- DJ Howlin' Bob wrote: > >it's a committee of three... > > > >you (DJ howlin Bob), "dank smoker", and vix. > > > >... ! ... has veto power. > > > >the criteria is it has to be worthy of scandalous, > sensational, > >eye-glazing television news. > > no, thank you...if i had a wish to exercise that > sort of power, i'd have > gone into politics or religion ;o) > > --hb > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69787-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Jul 26 23:56:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25147 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 23:56:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25137 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:56:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010726235600.21159.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:56:00 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: dj huey , thedfdoc@hotmail.com, aaronhdixon@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <200107262243.PAA06886@mail14.bigmailbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! yeah the only place you can go to dance regularly and not worry about getting busted is construction on wednesday nights :P --- dj huey wrote: > Didn't BrainChild throw a party called Survival and > that was all messed up too?????????????????? > > > "Aaron Dixon" > thedfdoc@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.orgDate: > Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:17:42 -0700 > > Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! > >Yeah, I have "heard" enough about the brain child > ent. group. Moving back > >to the bay area from LA not too long ago and > already hearing nasty rumors > >about this group. I am glad that i did not even > attempt to go. False > >advertisement at its best. > > > >Shame. Shame. > > > >Peace, > >Aaron > > > >P.S Jeno tonite! > > > >>From: "DF doc" > >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >>Subject: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! > >>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12 +0000 > >>MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] > >>Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com > (3.2) with ESMTP id > >>MHotMailBD29D1DE00B640043896D185531604D80; Thu, 26 > Jul 2001 14:08:46 -0700 > >>Received: (qmail 16192 invoked by uid 1104); 26 > Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 > >>Received: (qmail 16182 invoked from network); 26 > Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 > >>From sfraves-return-69758-aaronhdixon Thu, 26 Jul > 2001 14:09:04 -0700 > >>Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; > run by ezmlm > >>Precedence: bulk > >>X-No-Archive: yes > >>list-help: > >>list-unsubscribe: > > >>list-post: > >>Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org > >>Message-ID: > > >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12.0581 > (UTC) > >>FILETIME=[146CAD50:01C11617] > >>X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >> > >>Nuff Said. > >> > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > [- Get your own free e-mail @ > http://www.crackdealer.com -] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69788-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 00:04:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31742 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 00:04:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31732 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 00:04:03 -0000 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <002b01c1162f$56325e20$f095ccd1@hal> From: "Erik Brown" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:01:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C115F4.A8E889E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] hello / test ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C115F4.A8E889E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just testing have a nice evening erik ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C115F4.A8E889E0-- From sfraves-return-69789-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 00:10:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36484 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 00:10:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36471 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 00:10:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.42] From: "Aaron Dixon" To: djesmo@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, djd-list@dj-d.com, Frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:09:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 00:09:32.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[69614C30:01C11630] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ***FIESTA**FIESTA*** !!! TOMARROW !!! Who else is going to this? I am! I hope to see some of you there! Ask around, meet a friend, and maybe meet me! ahhaha Peace, Aaron >From: "E S M O" >To: "sfraves" , "DJ D LIST" , > >Subject: [sfraves] ***FIESTA**FIESTA*** !!! TOMARROW !!! >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:23:01 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD29E38100B7400438A5D18553160C230; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:24:01 -0700 >Received: (qmail 18565 invoked by uid 1104); 26 Jul 2001 22:24:20 -0000 >Received: (qmail 18554 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:24:20 -0000 >>From sfraves-return-69774-aaronhdixon Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:25:25 -0700 >Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: >list-unsubscribe: >list-post: >Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org >X-Apparently-From: >Message-ID: <003c01c11621$8c675a80$1e02fea9@djesmo> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >Nightlife Productions Presents... > >FIESTA FIESTA >*july 27th(Friday!!) >*all ages >*fully permitted >*virgin venue > >Featuring >Tytek, Casa del Soul- Colorado >Torque, Nightlife-Colorado >Huey, Nightlife-SF >Joey Mazzola, Solmatic Records-SF >Ron Reeser, Clockwork Eventz-SF >Rudy G, The Bad Puppy-SJ >Allen Craig, Nightlife-SF > >Limited Presales available @ >Housewares(sf) >Skills(Berkely) >Solid Grooves(SJ) > >For 411 call 415.721.4610 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69790-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 00:14:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42554 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 00:13:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42544 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 00:13:58 -0000 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <004e01c11630$b87e22c0$f095ccd1@hal> From: "Erik Brown" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:11:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C115F6.0B344E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] test / ignore / groove ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C115F6.0B344E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Again this is a test groove on erik ROCKER DJ's, label, events www.rockermedia.com ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C115F6.0B344E80-- From sfraves-return-69791-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 00:16:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45224 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 00:16:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45214 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 00:16:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:14:01 -0700 From: IntenSmile To: SF Raves Reply-to: purenrg@pacbell.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Dgb3jAD6fBm8rVY2b2+s9A)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area: One who is going? --Boundary_(ID_Dgb3jAD6fBm8rVY2b2+s9A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Is anyone going to Area: One on Tuesday @ Shoreline? At least we know that won’t get busted! Area: One Festival Intel(r)Pentium(r) 4 Processor Presents Area: One Moby / New Order / Outkast / The Roots / Rinocerose On the second stage Juan Atkins / The Orb / Paul Oakenfold / Timo Maas / The Innovators featuring Kevin Saunderson / Derrik May --Boundary_(ID_Dgb3jAD6fBm8rVY2b2+s9A)-- From sfraves-return-69792-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 00:28:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56267 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 00:28:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56257 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 00:28:23 -0000 Message-Id: <200107270027.RAA26203@scv3.apple.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:27:51 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: sugam jain To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area: One who is going? I'll be there....any idea what time it ends? It'll suck if we have to go home at midnight sugam On Thursday, July 26, 2001, at 05:14 PM, IntenSmile wrote: > Is anyone going to Area: One on Tuesday @ Shoreline? At least we know=20= > that > won=92t get busted! > > > Area: One Festival > Intel(r)Pentium(r) 4 Processor Presents > Area: One > = > Moby=20 > = / > New Order > = / > Outkast > /=20 > The > Roots > = / > Rinocerose > = > On the second stage Juan Atkins > = =20 > / > The Orb > /=20 > Paul > Oakenfold > = > / Timo Maas > = / > The Innovators featuring Kevin Saunderson > = +Saunderson&artistID=3D21358> / Derrik May > = > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69793-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 00:43:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69965 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 00:43:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 69954 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 00:43:10 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Apollo" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:54:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RAVES, COMMERCE, AND MOI For the first time since I signed on the list again I have seriously thought about leaving it. Not dancing, raving, and fighting for the right to do so. I'll never give that up. Just sfraves. I came back on the list over a year ago because I thought, in this time of increased commercialization of the community and state oppression of dance culture, it might be valuable to provide some old school perspective on the music and the culture. This, in the hope that we might all find a better way to maintain and nurture the values that created the rave subculture -- while providing better methods of introducing the many new souls yearning for some life experience beyond consumerism and job productivity to the magic that is raving -- than the big commercial parties and massives. My own agenda has always been clear. Raving and EDM can be a powerful force for positive social and cultural change. As well as lots of fun. A revolution that is actually fun is hard to resist. In fact, however, much, perhaps most of the time on this list is spent in the promotion, sometimes extremely aggressive and manipulative, of commercial parties by promoters, their business associates, and friends; disappointment with the outcomes of many of these events; attempts to wash the mess of bad parties away by the same commercial coalitions; and then the business of raving all over again. This is not about Area 51 in particular. If you've been on the list for any time you've noticed that the most divisive issue in this community is the commercial scene. Moderation, I believe, arose out of disputes amongst promoters. Good people have left the list, some recently, because they have felt the frustration and pain of all this business enterprise masquerading as PLUR. For me, raving is not a business. At its best, raving is a valuable, life transforming experience. This can't be bought or sold. This experience of raving is created by those whose primary interest is in constructing an temporary autonomous space where participants can be freely express themselves through music and dance, unite with like-mined souls, and experience communal, tribal union that is both liberating and enlightening. More anarchy than capitalist structure:) Those whose primary interest is in making money and satisfying investors don't usually come up with anything I'd classify as "raves." There is, of course, the wonderful underground. There is enough of that to keep me personally happy. The underground these days has little to do with this list, and this list has little to do with the underground. For many good reasons. But the underground has severe limitations. As an instrument of social change it lacks the resources to reach only a relative handful of the people who want the experience of raving and are serious about finding it. Only hundreds can attend Wicked FMRs, FnF and Cloudfactory parties, for example, where there are many thousands who would benefit personally from such parties. They are, therefore, no longer a point of entry into raving but, rather, the end of a rainbow that for many may take years to find, if they don't give up after becoming jaded with the commercial scene first. And they are, by necessity, very exclusive. This gives many good souls outside the circle of friends the impression that they are somehow unworthy of this selective crowd. What is the point of entry, these days, for a soul yearning to "rave?" The commercial party, usually the massive. Good luck. Some are worthy events, like Skills' Popsikle and last year's Imagine. Others are cold, calculating attempts to exploit the spiritual needs of young people. And still others are well-intentioned attempts that are flawed because those who throw them lack the experience and business acumen to deal with the complexity of large event planning. All in all, the massives are a very poor introduction to "raving" for most. You get the music -- sometimes -- but the spiritual element for the most part is submerged in the money. We need to create, IMHO, a new paradigm to bring raving into the 21st century. A new point of entry for the thousands of young dancers wanting to experience what those of you who have been around for awhile know about. Not the commercial parties. The underground can't serve them initially. What we need is a collective, non-profit, effort in our community to provide large, community parties on a regular basis to illustrate to the newbies what raving is all about. A year ago I embarked on such an effort. At first, I thought I'd throw a good old fashioned FMR (still may), but then I realized that I would be involved in the selectivity required for such parties. And I wanted to bring the magic to a larger audience. So I thought, gee, I can take, with some pain, $20 or $30k out of savings and invest in such an event with no expectation of return and the risk that I might lose some of it. And I looked for other social-change minded folks within my circle of friends who would agree to "liberate" some cash for periods of time with 0% return and, again, the risk that they might not get all of it back, to throw a break-even massive for love. I actually got most of the backing assembled and was ready to approach DJs, etc., in the community to either donate or provide services at cost when -- the current recession hit. All of us took a hit on this, and many people dropped out. Interestingly, all of the 0% investment came from people outside the community. I still think this idea is viable, although the economy is not what it was a year ago. The idea is to provide on at least a bi-annual basis a large, permitted, "reference" party with genuine raver values that is funded by 0% loans from good-hearted people, some donations of time and talent, under the structure of some very rigorous business operations discipline. Many of you know me as the "soft-headed" raver idealist, but I put pasta on the table for years by doing R&D and assembling complex ops for one of the largest consumer direct marketing organizations in the country. I have a low tolerance for bad ops. As for this list. I really love you all. Lots of very good people here. But it seems we are going in circles. Got to break out of the bullshit and separate the business from the magic. I really don't know if I have a way to do that, so I'm feeling frustrated myself. I have absolutely no commercial interests these days in our community. I promote Come-Unity for free. I'm not part of any production companies or crews. I buy my tickets and stand in line with the rest of you dancers. If I throw any parties they will be free, or to cover costs only. I have no hidden agenda. All I really want is to show lots of people new to the scene what raving can really be. If sfraves is no longer the place to do that, well, I'll move on. Hope to see some of you on the dance floor this weekend:) Much love, Apollo "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." - Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Spend money on experience, not on goods." - Ben, Burningman 2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69794-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 00:48:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73186 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 00:48:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Delivered-To: moderator for sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68553 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 21:46:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [172.150.22.22] Reply-To: cs@nomadicDJ.com From: "Carl Spano" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:45:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:45:33.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C430300:01C1161C] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NRR: An apology for my naughty autoresponder Hi everyone, If you got a message from me (cs@nomadicDJ.com) saying thankyou for your email and you don't know what the hell i'm talking about, it is because I set up an autoresponder that replies to anyone who emails me. My blond self, however, didn't realise that it would also affect everyone who posted anything to the SFRaves mailinglist. I'm extremely sorry for the inconvenience, and I understand that it must be quite a bugger especially for people who write the list often. Anyways, I've removed the autoresponder, so hopefully it won't cause a problem anymore. If it does, please email me personally. Again, sorry--it is totally my bad =/ .:nomadic:. www.nomadicDJ.com .: dance like no one's watching and love like you've never been hurt :. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69795-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 00:59:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79612 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 00:59:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 79602 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 00:59:05 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010726175815.01940b08@mail.well.com> X-Sender: surfpunk@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:01:08 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Jim Cyr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area One - Meeting Spot/Time There is only one totem pole at Shoreline - It is on the lawn, to the left as you come in through the main gates. First SF Ravers meeting at 6 ? and another check in at 8 ? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69796-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 01:06:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85789 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 01:06:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85779 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 01:06:50 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] From: "DF doc" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:05:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 01:05:50.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[47193AE0:01C11638] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RAVES, COMMERCE, AND MOI Wow, it's very unfortunate there's a lot of folks that feel like leaving the list due what's been going on here in NorCal, including myself but think about this before you guys go....... "Where a cow sh*t's, flowers grow" dfdoc- P.S. Apollo I'll see you @ Come-unity for sure next week! >For the first time since I signed on the list again I have seriously >thought >about leaving it. Not dancing, raving, and fighting for the right to do >so. I'll never give that up. Just sfraves. > >I came back on the list over a year ago because I thought, in this time of >increased commercialization of the community and state oppression of dance >culture, it might be valuable to provide some old school perspective on the >music and the culture. This, in the hope that we might all find a better >way to maintain and nurture the values that created the rave subculture -- >while providing better methods of introducing the many new souls yearning >for some life experience beyond consumerism and job productivity to the >magic that is raving -- than the big commercial parties and massives. > >My own agenda has always been clear. Raving and EDM can be a powerful >force >for positive social and cultural change. As well as lots of fun. A >revolution that is actually fun is hard to resist. > >In fact, however, much, perhaps most of the time on this list is spent in >the promotion, sometimes extremely aggressive and manipulative, of >commercial parties by promoters, their business associates, and friends; >disappointment with the outcomes of many of these events; attempts to wash >the mess of bad parties away by the same commercial coalitions; and then >the business of raving all over again. > >This is not about Area 51 in particular. If you've been on the list for >any >time you've noticed that the most divisive issue in this community is the >commercial scene. Moderation, I believe, arose out of disputes amongst >promoters. Good people have left the list, some recently, because they >have >felt the frustration and pain of all this business enterprise masquerading >as PLUR. > >For me, raving is not a business. At its best, raving is a valuable, life >transforming experience. This can't be bought or sold. This experience of >raving is created by those whose primary interest is in constructing an >temporary autonomous space where participants can be freely express >themselves through music and dance, unite with like-mined souls, and >experience communal, tribal union that is both liberating and enlightening. >More anarchy than capitalist structure:) Those whose primary interest is in >making money and satisfying investors don't usually come up with anything >I'd classify as "raves." > >There is, of course, the wonderful underground. There is enough of that to >keep me personally happy. The underground these days has little to do with >this list, and this list has little to do with the underground. For many >good reasons. > >But the underground has severe limitations. As an instrument of social >change it lacks the resources to reach only a relative handful of the >people >who want the experience of raving and are serious about finding it. Only >hundreds can attend Wicked FMRs, FnF and Cloudfactory parties, for example, >where there are many thousands who would benefit personally from such >parties. They are, therefore, no longer a point of entry into raving but, >rather, the end of a rainbow that for many may take years to find, if they >don't give up after becoming jaded with the commercial scene first. And >they are, by necessity, very exclusive. This gives many good souls outside >the circle of friends the impression that they are somehow unworthy of this >selective crowd. > >What is the point of entry, these days, for a soul yearning to "rave?" The >commercial party, usually the massive. Good luck. Some are worthy events, >like Skills' Popsikle and last year's Imagine. Others are cold, >calculating >attempts to exploit the spiritual needs of young people. And still others >are well-intentioned attempts that are flawed because those who throw them >lack the experience and business acumen to deal with the complexity of >large >event planning. All in all, the massives are a very poor introduction to >"raving" for most. You get the music -- sometimes -- but the spiritual >element for the most part is submerged in the money. > >We need to create, IMHO, a new paradigm to bring raving into the 21st >century. A new point of entry for the thousands of young dancers wanting >to >experience what those of you who have been around for awhile know about. >Not the commercial parties. The underground can't serve them initially. >What we need is a collective, non-profit, effort in our community to >provide >large, community parties on a regular basis to illustrate to the newbies >what raving is all about. > >A year ago I embarked on such an effort. At first, I thought I'd throw a >good old fashioned FMR (still may), but then I realized that I would be >involved in the selectivity required for such parties. And I wanted to >bring the magic to a larger audience. So I thought, gee, I can take, with >some pain, $20 or $30k out of savings and invest in such an event with no >expectation of return and the risk that I might lose some of it. And I >looked for other social-change minded folks within my circle of friends who >would agree to "liberate" some cash for periods of time with 0% return and, >again, the risk that they might not get all of it back, to throw a >break-even massive for love. I actually got most of the backing assembled >and was ready to approach DJs, etc., in the community to either donate or >provide services at cost when -- the current recession hit. All of us took >a hit on this, and many people dropped out. Interestingly, all of the 0% >investment came from people outside the community. > >I still think this idea is viable, although the economy is not what it was >a >year ago. The idea is to provide on at least a bi-annual basis a large, >permitted, "reference" party with genuine raver values that is funded by 0% >loans from good-hearted people, some donations of time and talent, under >the >structure of some very rigorous business operations discipline. > >Many of you know me as the "soft-headed" raver idealist, but I put pasta on >the table for years by doing R&D and assembling complex ops for one of the >largest consumer direct marketing organizations in the country. I have a >low tolerance for bad ops. > >As for this list. I really love you all. Lots of very good people here. >But it seems we are going in circles. Got to break out of the bullshit and >separate the business from the magic. I really don't know if I have a way >to do that, so I'm feeling frustrated myself. I have absolutely no >commercial interests these days in our community. I promote Come-Unity for >free. I'm not part of any production companies or crews. I buy my tickets >and stand in line with the rest of you dancers. If I throw any parties >they >will be free, or to cover costs only. I have no hidden agenda. All I >really want is to show lots of people new to the scene what raving can >really be. If sfraves is no longer the place to do that, well, I'll move >on. > >Hope to see some of you on the dance floor this weekend:) > >Much love, > >Apollo > > > > > > >"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." > >- Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory > > >"Spend money on experience, not on goods." > >- Ben, Burningman 2000 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69797-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 01:09:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87977 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 01:09:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87951 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 01:09:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727010917.22147.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: osby@ratkoonrat.net, Dregaron Starlighter , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010726225533.835142756@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... Was there any question? O.k. maybe there was. I am planning on hitting it up after I check out the Usual tonight in San Jose. See ya'll there. Everyones little Star Jamie *.~ --- Osby wrote: > Look 4 me!!!! > > > == > Later {8O) > Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:01:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Dregaron Starlighter > To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... > > > Heh... replied to Audra and forgot the list... > > I'll be there tonight, for my first Ascension. I > hope > to see some faces, both new and old out there > tonight... give a holler!! > > -Dreg > > --- Audra Olazabal wrote: > > Well, there's no doubt i'm going to be there...and > i > > know the rest of the > > crew is coming...even melanie (stormrose) has made > > it out (yay!)...but i > > just wanted to do a roll call and see who else on > > SFR is planning on being > > in attendance this evening... > > > > it's gonna be a big night, ladies and gentlemen... > > > > *i'm SO excited! i just want to eep! constantly... > > > > *audra* > > > > oh, and those who don't know, here's the lineup: > > 9:00-11:00 Tirrell vs. Alkaline a.k.a Mc Master > Max > > B. > > 11:00-2:00 JENÖ (!!!!!!!!!!!) > > > > 18-20 - $7, 21+ - $5 > > ID’s Required, Full Bar, Pool Table, Video Games, > > Free Water > > www.acmeparty.com > > Blake’s, 2367 Telegraph Ave, Berkeley. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69798-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 01:36:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3625 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 01:36:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 3614 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 01:36:13 -0000 From: JonnyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:35:26 EDT To: surfpunk@well.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fe.9a4ce80.28921f5e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area One - Meeting Spot/Time --part1_fe.9a4ce80.28921f5e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Works for me ... as with most rave meetup spots, I'll try to be there a bit ahead of time and will stay until 10 or 15 min. after. Looking forward to this event ... something different ... definitely not a rave but not a concert either. Looking forward to meeting some of you SF Ravers. :) John in San Rafael --part1_fe.9a4ce80.28921f5e_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69799-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 01:44:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10938 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 01:44:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10926 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 01:44:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:42:10 -0700 From: EKLEKTIC / HEKTIC X-Sender: dMarie@mail.groundscore.net (Unverified) To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3PZMSjHvKy9IOx6o70MXtw)" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Hive/Sage/Star Eyes/Breaks & Upcoming Event Info. --Boundary_(ID_3PZMSjHvKy9IOx6o70MXtw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Welcome to the list to the hundreds of you added to the dataBASS this week! Here is your E K L E K T I C // H E K T I C D R U M & B A S S // B R E A K S Groundscore SF report for the week. Please read to the end; it is full of info. This Saturday, July 28th, 2G1 presented by Groundscore and our hot sponsors...We have 10 artists this week for your dancing pleasure. The drum and bass militia includes. . . H I V E ! --> celestial/vortex Have you checked out his stilo on the web lately? Big Up the Konkrete Jungle LA crew for keepin it tight for so long at their now defunct Konkrete LA at Spaceland. For the offical statement on the LA Wednesday night jungle loss, go to the link below, enta, then click on the Konkrete LA logo. http://www.celestialrecordings.com/ S A G E ! --> phunckateck/phylum/groundscore The lovely lady who is working on so many amazing projects right now is finally home. We love having her home! Yes, she's back in SF (with a tan) from Puerto Rico. Check out this shot of her playing out there in the sunny Carribean. I hear it goes off! http://www.groundscore.net/sage/ S T A R E Y E S ! --> b.a.s.s. kru/groundscore Fresh off the motocross bus that took her around for two weeks on the Warped Tour, Star Eyes is back, working on her Flyer Mag deadlines and gigging around the country. Do you know the history of the DONness, lady Star Eyes? http://www.groundscore.net/stareyes/ Opening D&B set my Mikey J. Audio Angel with the vox - below is her bio. http://www.groundscore.net/audioangel/ The broken beat ballers include. . . C L O C K W O R K ! --> hektic Busy working on his studio and making tracks, our hip-hop turned breaks man is keeping it real for the Hektic crew. His set last week w/ Lexxus set the spot on fire! Check this set from Clockwork (7/2G1): click below, go to MP3 Stream. http://www.versionk.com/ T O M M Y B O Y ! --> san diego This kid, studying in San Diego, is a true gem. We have him through each time he visits us back in the bay for good reason. Welcome back this talent to our Hektic format. W A T S Y !--> straight from ireland Promoter of the club Evolution back home in Ireland, this DJ prides himself on his turntable skills and rocking the crowd. His residencies include Bedlam, Hydronic, Shindig and The Aartment where he is DJing alongside the best of the best in the breaks/techno/electro circles. Opening breaks set by JRock. Frogger on didgeridoo. Here's the EKLEKTIC/HEKTIC line-up for AUGUST 2G1 and confirmed dates thereafter. Thank You. The opening sets are done by Mikey J (d&b) & JRock (breaks). AUG 04 Ekl: RED ONE (RAM, UK) SIREN (Groundscore NYC) SERAPHIM (Sister SF) Hek: MS.E (Future Breaks FM/Groundscore) LORIN (Bassnecter) Record Release Party Jumping Jack Frost : Fine Tuning Vol.1 (Dune) Giveaways courtesy of Studio K-7 AUG 11 * live netcast * Ekl: FUTURE CUT (Metalheadz/Renegade, UK) STAR EYES (B.A.S.S. Kru/Groundscore) GENOME (Groundscore) This event will be broadcast live online to you soldiers worldwide. Plug into selekta.com for the goods! Who loves ya baby? Hek: CLOCKWORK (Hektic) vs. MS.E (Future Breaks FM/Groundscore) AUG 18 Ekl: JUJU (Phunckateck/Phuturo) 4REAL (Breakbeat Science/Groundscore) TAO (Black-Locust) PL-X (Black-Locust) CHASE (Bombay) AUG 25 - add album name/nassim section Ekl: PHYLUM RECORDINGS NIGHT! Celebrate the release of Phlyum #2 "Rapture/Agent Orange" First 25 in the door get vinyl from Phylum. Uh-huh! Giveaways throughout the night from DC Shoes. UFO! (Phylum/Phunckateck/Groundscore) SAGE (Phylum/Phunckateck/Groundscore) ECHO (Phylum/Phunckateck) ELEKTRA (Phylum/Groundscore) Hek: FELIX THE DOG (Groundscore/In-Flight, UK) ERIC RIGGSBEE (Mirage Kru) *happy birthday set* GMT & MC SWEAT (Hard On Music, Canada) SEPT 01 Ek: KLUTE (Commercial Suicide/Certificate 18/31 Records) JASON MOUSE (Phunckateck) Hek: ABSTRACT (Phunckateck/Pneuma) VERDE & GREEN LABEL RELEASE PARTY with GIVEAWAYS SEPT 29 Hek: SIMPLY JEFF (Phonomental/BML LA) B-SIDE (Phonomental/Backroom UK/Dragon Lounge) FELIX THE DOG (Groundscore/In-Flight, UK) EKLEKTIC // HEKTIC // San Francisco Futurism Worldwide Saturdays / Cat Club / 1190 Folsom @ 8th / 10pm-3am // 415.332.5800x797 DataBass: dMarie@groundscore.net The club has installed new bass in both rooms. THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS http://www.citizen7.com http://www.dcshoes.com http://www.knowledgemag.co.uk Thanks for reading until the end. Now that you are here please click on the link below to check out the first version of our http://www.eklektic.net/ relaunch! Genome and Diana C. made this amazing art piece that we will be adding mad content to. Surf the site; send us feedback. This is the trial; in 1 week we go big. EKLEKTIC = Drum & Bass Club Resident DJs: Sage / Star Eyes / UFO! / Siren / Opening D&B sets by Mikey J HEKTIC = Nu-Step Breaks Club Felix the Dog / Clockwork / Ms.E / Lee Coombs / Opening Breaks sets by JRock Vocalist: Audio Angel / Didgeridoin': Frogger The GROUNDSCORE databass is secure. Your address is not available to anyone. To unsubscribe, send mail to dMarie@groundscore.net. Subject: REMOVE SEE YOU ON THE DANCEFLOOR! keep your ear to the Ground RESPECT (get it and give it) dMarie http://www.groundscore.net/dMarie/ Fuck - someone please write my damn bio! E K L E K T I C // H E K T I C http://www.eklektic.net/ New design! Thanks subVersive Designs! 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Thanks Qzen! --Boundary_(ID_3PZMSjHvKy9IOx6o70MXtw)-- From sfraves-return-69800-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 01:59:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19691 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 01:59:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19681 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 01:59:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:58:17 -0700 Message-Id: <200107270158.SAA03795@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.27.182.42] From: "Stephanie Bitters" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ugmovementprod@aol.com Cc: ian@flashflyer.net X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RE: COMPRESSION You give respect and you get respected. Act like a two year old throwing a fit and you get nothing. If you think I am a ho maybe you can try saying it the next time you see me out instead of indirectly talking about me on a mailing list. I am sure someone will point me out for you since I have no idea who you are. -Stephanie .COMPRESSION. > UGMoVeMeNtPrOd@aol.comDate: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:00:50 EDT > RE: COMPRESSIONCC: ianmcdonelle@flashflyer.net > >haha LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT JACKED DEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >why the fuck did u donate $20 anyway? >Oh i know why :) > >You should go back and pimp slap the hoes who jacked you >hahahahAh > > ><< msg2.html >> ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69801-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 02:04:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22292 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 02:04:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22281 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 02:04:17 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Shaman Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:03:42 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-204-134-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.204.134.251]; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:03:36 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] re: BSP:Need Lighting for your party? I agree, your lights rock, Joe! Baked, Not Fried, Shaman Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:26:13 -0700 To: From: "Cowboy Joe" <> Subject: Message-ID: <001601c1162a$5da1b200$3147010a@usoce> ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C115EF.B02709C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Y2KHippys has an Awesome setup full of Intelegent lighting. Verry = adaptable to fit any venue. Amazingly cheep prices for small partys! = Plenty of open dates on the calendar. Please Visit www.y2kh.net=20 Thanks, Cowboy Joe Founder & Lighting Engineer The Y2KHippys www.y2kh.net Blue Green Resident Dancer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69802-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 02:05:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23780 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 02:05:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23768 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 02:05:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.196.38] From: "veronica la rosa" To: amazondyve@hotmail.com, hobbit94720@hotmail.com, dregaron@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:03:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 02:03:56.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[647BFD90:01C11640] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] roll call for ascension... <<, maybe veronica should wear an N'Sync t-shirt and Alida and I should wear HJBC signs around our necks! :-P >> Sadly, I do not have an *N Sync t-shirt.But even if I did, I would only wear it to sleep. HEY! I just remembered, I saw the Mickey Mouse Club perform in Antioch when I was 10 or so. I have an autographed MMC t-shirt with JC's picture on it (he was on the show, duh.). I could wear that! But no... I'm actually going to be wearing a blue and black snakeskin skirt and probably my blue hooded sweatshirt. And I have blue and khaki-colored Skechers. Becca, you always could bring name tags. Me, you, Alida, Christle, and Lydia (she's in now, right?) could wear HJBC tags for all to see. Placed in private places of course... -Veronica- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69803-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 02:07:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25618 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 02:07:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25605 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 02:07:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:06:09 -0700 Message-Id: <200107270206.TAA04790@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.27.182.42] From: "Stephanie Bitters" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: :LinkD >Friday July 27th, > >Splank & Tusk1st Proudly Present:::: >> >>:LinkD >> >>Mystical Influence - Vinyl Syndicate: Toronto, CANADA. >>Prepare for dance floor destruction. If you've seen this guy before you know what I am takin' a boot! >> >>Fury - terraformat Recordings: Denver, Colorado. >>Tha Godfather of Denver's DnB. Give it up. >> >>Ivry :: Aye-N - Splank/Compound: San Francisco, CA. >>These record slangin' cuties are together once again for some turntable team action. Boh! >> >>Local support from MAL and the MC Blest. >> >>330 Ritch Street, SF. :: 18 and up. >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>.COMPRESSION. .COMPOUND RECORDS. .CITIZEN 7. .ES. .VINYL SYNDICATE. > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com >Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free and Private Junglist E-mail from Junglist.com Register Online Here -> http://www.junglist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69804-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 02:07:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26989 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 02:07:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26979 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 02:07:48 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.12.87.3] Reply-To: waynerad2@hotmail.com From: "Wayne Rad" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:06:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 02:06:42.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7668FB0:01C11640] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr - crunchman on tv Anyone remember the Crunchman? He was on the "hackers" show on TLC last night, they gave him quite a lot of airtime too, I'd never heard that much of the story. Did anyone else see it? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69805-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 02:15:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32939 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 02:15:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32914 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 02:15:42 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.94.209.1] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, ravenproductions@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:14:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 02:14:36.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1DB8570:01C11641] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Rave for Charity Hey guys and gals, You know, I was introduced to the rave scene in October 99 by a friend of mine. I had my doubts about it, especially after going to my first party, which was an *UNDERGROUND* warehouse party. But I went in with an open mind and totally fell in love with every aspect of the scene. And now, almost 2 years later, I have more interest in it than ever and am directly involved with the scene. I've helped out with parties doing set-up, clean-up, security, and just recently decided to put my massage certification to use and give free massages at parties instead of using it for profit. Now I'd like to take the next step and try and throw my own party. It wouldn't be a huge party...a small intimate gathering. Of course, it'd be a long ways away...lot of planning to do and people to talk to. All the money raised from ticket sales would go directly to my favorite charity, the Make-A-Wish foundation. For those not familiar, the Make-A-Wish foundation fulfills the dreams of terminally ill children and is a very respectable charity. I know it's gonna cost a lot to throw a decent party, but I'm really not in it for the money. I wanna do this cause it's kind of a goal of mine to throw my own party...my profit would be seeing a bunch of smiling faces on all the attendees and knowing that every penny earned from that party went to a good cause. So, if any of you have tips (Raven Productions..I'll be in contact), people that can help out, I'd be very appreciative of any help you can provide. Take care and hopefully (fingers crossed), I'll see some of you at All One. RAVIN RIZ AIM: Rzy T "You never lose when you love. You always lose when you hold back." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69806-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 02:29:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46248 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 02:29:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46238 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 02:29:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727022823.74192.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:28:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Murray To: osby@ratkoonrat.net, The_List In-Reply-To: <20010725070017.1E88E36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) O.k. i will play along > >1- What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? > Coffee > > >2- Favorite Music? > Humm? Anything i can groove to. Anyone who knows me knows this. Specific - 80's, HHD, Hard House, Hard NRG, Hard Trance, Punk, and to put a term to it Modern Rock > > >3- Hair Color? > reddish, brown > > >4- Pets? > A bird, and a cat > > >5- Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! Really > Way out there! > > I can't tell the this list this one. Sorry guys, but it would take all the pleasure of it. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69807-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 02:29:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46631 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 02:29:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 46600 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 02:29:08 -0000 From: JonnyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:28:21 EDT To: litterbx@ultimanet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.d259480.28922bc5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] blacklisting ... The opposite= "Goldlisting"=Istyly --part1_f8.d259480.28922bc5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blacklisting is a big issue ... but we can all "Goldlist" :) which I would define as remembering to support parties thrown by promoters who consistently throw good parties. In 2 1/2 years of raving, I've been to a only a few parties that really sucked. Almost every one was excellent in some way, maybe with some need for improvement like better ventilation, got shut down early, weak sound system, couldn't bring in my camera, or even, "Um, I don't think ice is really an ideal dance floor" (sorry, Marty!). One of the biggest challanges is finding a good venue and keeping the party going as late as possible. Somehow -- even when the 1st choice venue doesn't work out at the last minute -- the Istyly crew manages to come through with a venue that's just right. They don't throw huge parties with dozens of internationally known DJs, but they have a knack for throwing excellent smaller parties that feature a great vibe and friendly people. I have also been very impressed with cRave, Happy Kids, Cosmic Beats, and a lot of the other crews -- several great parties each, and maybe one or two parties that had some problem (perhaps outside the crew's control). So, rather than perpetuate racist stereotypes by reversing "blacklisting" and calling it "whitelisting," I'll say that Istyly is on the top of my Goldlist. I like Lttrbx's "rave union" kind of idea because it stresses the positive. See you all at the next party :) Party safe, everyone. John in San Rafael --part1_f8.d259480.28922bc5_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69808-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 02:31:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51449 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 02:31:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51439 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 02:31:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727023107.20069.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jungle Bunny To: thatpisces@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010726193955.96437.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] she killed me at the killa I would have to agree. I loved her set and well all the music there last night was great. It usually takes me a while to get into the groove, but not last night. I had so much fun! That was my first time at the Cactus. And i haven't seen flux for quite a while that was a treat. Glad you had a good time too. -Kari --- Jess ica wrote: > > Had to give a quick (boh boh!) to Seraphim, creating > dance floor madness again last night in the South > Bay. I was glad I was able to enjoy her set from > start to finish, I've noticed its a regular thing > that Im always goin crazy screamin around when she > comes to visit. When I was standing outside > earlier in the night I was literally pulled in by > the music, Proxy had the dance floor rinsin' before > the guest djs showed up, I had the door guy quite > entertained at my ansiness to get it =) > > The people love the jungle music. > > Jessica > > > > > Ice works better when it is frozen.... ===== "Less like a rocketship, more like a balloon." - That's my Bush __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69809-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 03:04:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89000 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 03:04:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 88989 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:04:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Plastic Nuclear Ferret To: "that ravin' mailin' list" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [[BSP]] Friday: CODE presents d:Code, a night of broken beats with the Eyephunk crew ever been to a club that was so clean that you could eat off of the floors? well, the DNA isn't quite that clean, but it's close. come listen to breaks, trance and electro. come use the internet kiosks. see the clean bathrooms, and enjoy the massive sound and light shows. >8^) shane `-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-:-. ,-;"`-. `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=`,'=/ `=, '=/ `=, /==/ /==/ /==/ /==/ /==/ /= ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,-<=`. ,=,- ,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' `-=_,-'-' This FRIDAY, JULY 27th we invite you to... :: d:CODE :: DNA LOUNGE| http://www.dnalounge.com| 375 11th Street . SF| 415.626.1409|___________________________ ------------------------|10pm - after hours |$10 before 11pm / $15 after |For the 21+ crowd This FRIDAY, and EVERY FRIDAY the DNA LOUNGE brings you "CODE" CODE Friday nights will bring you DJs from the mad laboratory, with the music to prove it. CODE Friday nights include... n:CODE: Pure four on the floor. Trance. Techno. First and third Fridays of the month. d:CODE: Fully breakbeat genres. Breaks. Drum+Bass. Second and last Fridays of the month. Lineup for the 20th features: ----> MAIN ROOM: ----> Anon (Eyephunk) ----> Adam Ohana (Eyephunk) ----> Dov (Eyephunk) LOUNGE: <---- Shane (Cloud Factory/Epiphany/DNA) <---- Ritter Gluck (Infinite Kaos/DNA) <---- ----> visuals by girLie8 (eyephunk / echolocation) ----> Live webcasting! Separate audio and video feeds! http://www.dnalounge.com/audio http://www.dnalounge.com/cam DNA LOUNGE . http://www.dnalounge.com . 415.626.1409 -- "Music is the electrical soil in which the Spirit lives, thinks and invents." _________________________-- Ludwig van Beethoven --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69810-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 03:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97597 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 03:17:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97587 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:17:19 -0000 From: "donbrannon" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:26:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re: I disagree/ was MEGGA-BUZZ I beg to differ. Old school events no longer happen because sadly, Old schoolers have chosen to no longer participate in the process ( see: http://www.liquidcafe.com/cents.html ). Take a look around at the parties that are popping off around the city and surrounding areas, it's all being thrown by young, inexperienced promoters whose frame of reference go back a mere two years or less. To many new promoters, the ultimate underground party was the cyberfest in fresno last summer. >Maybe for some it is a case of not participating in the process but I think there are a multitude of reasons, the most obvious being the economy. Did anyone go to Freedom '99? All you had to do was look at the sound emplacement in the main area to know they lost serious money on that party. The most common excuse you hear is, "The timing wasn't right." To me it translates to, "We couldn't budget it to do it the right way." Another good reason I feel is that a good number of the oldschool collectives bring together DJs and party people in it for the longer haul, who in a day and age of pressure on the scene are choosing to be good stewards of the music and vibe: they are producing tracks, collecting records, pooling funds and resources, developing their production, doing residencies and everything necessary to make their parties go BOOM BOOM BOOM in big ways when the cyclical nature of all of this returns us to times where we can get naked, smear ourselves in honey, and run down the beach lit on fire. Old schoolers have no one but themselves to blame for the lack of knowledge and historical perspective absent with so many current production crews. Old schoolers dropped out of the rave scene years ago. We had an opportunity to teach but we squandered our legacy. You can't know where to go, if you know not from whence you came. >Nope. I still factor in the kids who are desparate to do it their way regardless. As someone said to me, "Not everybody is oldschool or likes oldschool parties." (The person that said this I am certain hasn't experienced the oldschool underground.) It's nothing more than adolescent ego excluding a side of the scene that can provide lessons in the intangible, like how to develop something from a source of family rather than through passing out fliers or party favors. How to build something solid and provide powerful parties that are an experience far beyond the norm. >I was having a conversation with someone off list I respect who agreed that the scene could use a bit of shaking up and a better mix. I certainly believe there are people filled with enough love and respect to see this happen. I still believe in a cycle where faithful and successful underground crews throw events designed to welcome in folks who want something new and fresh... and I most certainly believe in continuing to bring in people who can appreciate it on a deeper level. Just my opinion, Paulie Paul >Well, I get a special feeling out of a crew that has an approach and attitude of "share intelligently" rather than "we must educate". I'll give a big ole nod to what I call the "meet and greet" factor. Parties infused with vibe have a high m/g factor that can practically be heard as a buzz of people meeting each other in real ways versus as single serving moments. People are being good to each other, they're having extended conversations and are sharing and it is audible and soothing. Sometimes I close my eyes at a party to appreciate this fantastic ambient texture. Can I even say anything more? I hope underground love is found by those who can appreciate it deeply in their hearts. donb NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69811-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 03:34:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6771 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 03:34:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6761 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:34:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: giuki X-X-Sender: To: Douglas Fraser Cc: DJ Howlin' Bob , , In-Reply-To: <20010725222644.39948.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Citys who pass "anti rave laws" get federal funding in new Anti Ecstasy Bill On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Douglas Fraser wrote: >--- giuki wrote: >> as far as this bill is concerned, i urge everyone to >> call your senators (which would be Dianne Feinstein and >> Barbara Boxer for us californians) and explain to them >> your opposition to this bill. and if >> you only call one senator, call Diane Feinstein > >that would be utterly pointless. Feinstein sponsored/ >wrote last year's "bad bill of the year" - the >anti-meth bill that had a "shut down all sources of >objective drug information on the Internet and >otherwise or go to prison for 5 years" line QUIETLY >slipped in there - the bill was less about meth than >furthering the authoritarism slowly taking over the US ok, i stand corrected. i'm not really up on the track records of our senators. if you call only one senator, call barbara boxer i guess. >If the WO(S)D is to be stopped, Feinstien needs to >be voted OUT i guess i just believe in taking it one step at a time. we can't vote feinstein out until november 2006. until then, we can at least make it clear to her that, as her constituents, we don't support the bills that she is passing. no matter how much money a senator has behind them, it still all comes down to votes. without the votes, they can't get reelected. so if enough voters indicate their unhappiness with an elected official, that official is bound to listen... it all starts with an individual voice. gary --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69812-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 03:37:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10828 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 03:37:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 10813 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:37:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.220.130] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: apollo@speakeasy.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:36:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 03:36:28.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[51B42D60:01C1164D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RAVES, COMMERCE, AND MOI >All I really want is to show lots of people new to the scene what raving >can >really be. and you have been doing that for me...i'd probably still be lurking and wondering "where should i go to check this out?" if it hadn't been for your encouragement. i dearly hope you'll remain, so that i & others may continue to benefit from your wisdom, knowledge, experience, and perspective. hope to see you at Myx...and if you need folks to work on the type of projects you're talking about & have something i'm able to do that needs done, you know where to find me :o) --hb 100% serious even with added smiley... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69813-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 03:41:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13895 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 03:41:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13874 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:41:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.104.36] From: "DJ CHOCO" To: starkand_e@yahoo.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:40:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 03:40:05.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3666300:01C1164D] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) ill play along too...scrool down. =) .choco. dj_choco@hotmail.com "reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to make your own reality." -choco > > > >1- What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? > > the basic 3...vanilla, strawberry...and of course, CHOCOlate...what >what! > > > > >2- Favorite Music? > > im an open minded guy...anything from hiphop (pref. UG), 80s, breaks, >trance, hard nrg, jungle/dnb, industrial tekno, slow jams (hehe, had to put >that there...), classical, alternative... > > > >3- Hair Color? > black > > > > >4- Pets? > > lets not go there...too dramatic...*weeps.... > > > > >5- Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! Really > > Way out there! > > > > I don't get it? HuH??? > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69814-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 03:48:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19904 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 03:48:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19891 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:48:33 -0000 From: "The TieDyed Side of the Force" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:46:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! > So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty > obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... uh, watching the Man burn? Ride the Music AndyTiedye --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69815-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 04:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29158 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 04:03:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29147 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 04:03:06 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.253.6.227] From: "RAVIN RIZ" To: dj_choco@hotmail.com, starkand_e@yahoo.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 04:01:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 04:01:55.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[E043A990:01C11650] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) ooo...a survey...fun 1. What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? Spartan Blueberry Cheesecake, served at Freddie's in San Jose 2. Favorite Music? Anything and everything...and I mean EVERYTHING! 3. Hair color? Dark brown 4. Pets? Not right now, but I've had 3 cats throughout my life. Cats rule! 5. Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! Really Way Out there! Hmmm...well I don't really get this one either but if it's referring to what I think it is, that's between me, myself, and I. :) RAVIN RIZ >From: "DJ CHOCO" >To: starkand_e@yahoo.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:40:05 -0700 > >ill play along too...scrool down. =) > >.choco. >dj_choco@hotmail.com >"reality is for those who lack imagination; use your own imagination to >make >your own reality." -choco > > > > >> >> > >1- What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? >> > the basic 3...vanilla, strawberry...and of course, CHOCOlate...what >>what! >> > >> > >2- Favorite Music? >> > im an open minded guy...anything from hiphop (pref. UG), 80s, breaks, >>trance, hard nrg, jungle/dnb, industrial tekno, slow jams (hehe, had to >>put >>that there...), classical, alternative... > >> > >3- Hair Color? >> black >> > >> > >4- Pets? >> > lets not go there...too dramatic...*weeps.... >> > >> > >5- Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! Really >> > Way out there! >> > >> > I don't get it? HuH??? >> > >> > > >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69816-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 04:07:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31742 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 04:07:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 31725 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 04:07:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.220.130] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: starkand_e@yahoo.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:03:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 04:03:16.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[10877780:01C11651] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) 1- What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? vanilla. i was raised in the Midwest...what can i say? ;o) 2- Favorite Music? depends...if i'm dancing, house; if i'm listening to EDM, either PvD/BT style housey trance, Warp/Detroit techno (i've developed a severe Richie Hawtin jones), or chilled ambient-house a la Global Communication or the Warp "Artificial Intelligence" stuff; if i'm listening to non-EDM, that'd be 70s: psychedelic-folk-rock (Grateful Dead, Neil Young), 80s: punk and post-punk, especially Hüsker Dü, Mission of Burma, and old R.E.M., 90s-current: "post-rock" (e.g. godspeed you black emperor!) or experimentalist UK rock-ish stuff (Radiohead, Beta Band, Spiritualized, Primal Scream, Cornershop). and a dollop of 50s-60s jazz now and then, especially Mingus and Monk. (you could probably make a really interesting Avalanches-style album-of-a-thousand-samples with that list of stuff!) 3- Hair Color? brown with grey bits. 4- Pets? not allowed in the building i live in :o( 5- Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! Really Way out there! thirty-minute-long high-volume guitar-feedback jams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69817-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 04:18:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40922 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 04:18:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 40912 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 04:18:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.88.244.205] From: "Macadio G." To: babeegurl1234@yahoo.com, thedfdoc@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 04:16:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 04:16:58.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA334D40:01C11652] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! Huh? That was kind of hard to follow. But if you want the facts if they will even be giving out. Is call Joy at Champion sound she does the bookings for H-Foundation. Or go to www.championsound.com I doubt she will divulge the info on her clients and there bookings but ya never know. That way you don't have to... Ask your Sisters boyfriends cousins friend who knows a guy that is dating a girl that apparantely saw Farris pass out at 31 flavors last night.. Sorry had to do the Farris bueller thang.. ;) Macadio >From: babeegurl M >To: DF doc , sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:41:44 -0700 (PDT) > >Actually, from an inside source at another booking >agency who has a friend that works with the guys who >book Hipp-E and Halo (great to have friends, >huh???)... seems another production company was >actually doing a cost share thing for some of the >artists that these guys book. (That is where a couple >of promoters get together and book several artists at >the same time to get a lower price) Supposedly, the >booking agency received 1/2 the money ("the one for a >Wednesday night appearance in Mountaindale or wherever >was paid") but the other promoter (the one who >actually signed the contract as the lead) never sent >their cash. Seems that same production company that >was supposed to sign things also "had an event over >the weekend and some of the other artists through the >agency didn't get paid" so the agency decided to >cancel the whole contract. > > >:o) Mary >Knowledge is power!!! YO JOE!!! > > > >--- DF doc wrote: > > Well, at the last minute, Hipp-e and Halo asked for > > way more money to do the > > gig than was originally planned. Why?!...I don't > > now. Not going to mention > > the #'s they were asking for but I got this from a > > good source. > > > > You are right bout one thing though...Shame. Shame. > > Shame, but at who's > > expense? I really don't care any more. > > > > The capitalistic side of things are spoiling (insert > > any word here) rotten! > > > > I'm doing something about it! > > > > >Yeah, I have "heard" enough about the brain child > > ent. group. Moving back > > >to the bay area from LA not too long ago and > > already hearing nasty rumors > > >about this group. I am glad that i did not even > > attempt to go. False > > >advertisement at its best. > > > > > >Shame. Shame. > > > > > >Peace, > > >Aaron > > > > > >P.S Jeno tonite! > > > > > >>From: "DF doc" > > >>To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >>Subject: [sfraves] HIPP_E & HALO CANCEL LIMELIGHT! > > >>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12 +0000 > > >>MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >>X-Originating-IP: [128.102.187.103] > > >>Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com > > (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >>MHotMailBD29D1DE00B640043896D185531604D80; Thu, 26 > > Jul 2001 14:08:46 -0700 > > >>Received: (qmail 16192 invoked by uid 1104); 26 > > Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 > > >>Received: (qmail 16182 invoked from network); 26 > > Jul 2001 21:09:02 -0000 > > >>From sfraves-return-69758-aaronhdixon Thu, 26 Jul > > 2001 14:09:04 -0700 > > >>Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; > > run by ezmlm > > >>Precedence: bulk > > >>X-No-Archive: yes > > >>list-help: > > >>list-unsubscribe: > > > > >>list-post: > > >>Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >>Message-ID: > > > > >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 21:08:12.0581 > > (UTC) > > >>FILETIME=[146CAD50:01C11617] > > >>X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > >> > > >>Nuff Said. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >> > > >> > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69818-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 04:20:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43853 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 04:20:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43843 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 04:20:07 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.247.220.130] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: andy@tiedye.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:18:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 04:18:56.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[407AA280:01C11653] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] Re: MEGGA-BUZZ #6 - what a joke?! > > So If you consider yourself a part of this scene... Then it's pretty > > obvious where you're going to be on Saturday September 1st... > >uh, watching the Man burn? tell him what he's won! seriously, though--and this isn't directed at anyone or any event in particular--i have to wonder about the BSPs for multiple Labor Day weekend events, considering the number of Bay Area scene folks who will be treading the playa that weekend instead. i hope people are working that into their planning... --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69819-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 04:20:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45073 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 04:20:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 45061 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 04:20:22 -0000 From: BodhiInSF@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.20339d4.289245bc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:19:08 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Area 51 Controversey: Blame vs Karma I know out there that there are a lot of jaded and pissed of people about area 51, and I can totally understand where they are coming from. It seems on the surface that the whole party was a frick'n sham job. The party did advertise a secure huge venue and a first class lineup, then to have the party at the last minute broken up into two parties, people having to stand in a long ass line at a small record store in Berkeley to get a pass to either one of the parties, then to have the Oaktown version of Area 51 broken up by the cops and the Maritime Hall filled. For forking out $43, hell yeah I wouldn't be a happy raver! Just a little side thought here; remember a just few years ago when people bitched about how outrageous $25 and $30 was for parties and thought they were a big rip off? Ten years ago, parties were on the average of $10, now they are pushing $40+. That's a 400% increase in ticket prices over the ten years, an average of $40% a year! Fuck'n shit, raver inflation is almost as bad as inflation in some third world nation like Paraguay or Argentina! But anyway, IM not here to flame or trash Greg. I really don't know what's really going on behind the scenes with Area 51. Maybe Greg actually did have the misfortune of, after doing all the proper paper work and feeling confident of having a secure place, to be betrayed by the venue owner and having his venue yanked underneath him at the last minute and having to scramble within hours to come up with an alternative. This does happen all the time and what happened to Greg is one of the greatest anxieties promoters have. Promotion is a hella risky and a physically and mentally exhausting business. Murphy's law usually kick's in on a lot of situations, and there's always something going wrong, plus you have to be on constant guard against shady people and other promoters who don't wish your party well and are trying to fuck you over and rip you off, not to mention the city and cops who give you more hassles and grief. I know about a lot of this from my own experiences. I've done parties where few people show up, the cops raid you, other promoters 911 you or pull a competing party on you and spread rumors and misinformation to sabotage your party. Being a promoter and doing parties isn't always a glamorous and an easy way to make a lot of phat $$$. It can often zap you of your spirit and life energy and leave you beaten down instead of rich and famous. That is why I don't rush to judge Greg and a situation like Area 51 without real facts. Yes, it's true that the scene does have it's fare share of shady promoters who do pull off rip off schemes and are just in it for the bottom line. But out there in the mass of corruption there are some honest promoters who are in it for the music and work terribly hard and go through a lot of bull shit to provide a place where we can dance and celebrate us being ravers. This isn't an excuse for all the crap people experienced and let downs they felt over Area 51, but before we go off and point fingers, blame, make up a black list and seek some sort of justice, AKA revenge, we need to chill and see the reality of things. We are a nation full of victims and revenge. So many people seem like they are trying to find fault outside of themselves for everything that is not going right in their life and claim to be a victim of something or some situation and wants to extract revenge or punishment and seek restitution on those they perceive as victimizing them. But you hear little today of owning up to responsibility and claiming power over our own individual lives and taking charge of our situations. I mean, if everybody who got burned by Area 51 could get their $43 back, is that really going to change all the negative things that are going on in the scene? Here's the pitch about karma. Again, we can get in the blame mood and start blaming the shitty state of the scene on greedy promoters, outsiders coming in the scene and doing mega parties as an investment, rock star DJ's, etards and drugs, mainstreamers, thugs and haters invading the scene who are spreading negative vibes instead of PLUR, the hysterical media, hostile government officials and harassing cops, and on and on and on and so forth. True, these elements are destroying our scene and deluding it to another MTV style mainstream phenomenon, but can we honestly look at these elements as our karma? Karma is often a misunderstood law of the universe. It is not a punisher of "bad" deeds or a rewarder of "good" deeds. It's just the way the force of the universe maintains equilibrium and let's us know if we are gong in the correct direction in life. I know Greg and he knows me. Were not exactly chill and hang out buddies, but I know him enough to know that I don't believe that he would deliberately pull off a shady party. Maybe, like many of us, including me, Greg began to loose the vision of raving and Area 51 was his personal karma call to rediscover that vision and go back to the parties he used to do that many of us fondly remember and stop trying to be a big time, 150g's budgeted per party promoter. I was looking at his beautiful banners in the main room at Area 51 and the spiritual metaphors they projected, and these banners reminded me of how much we have deviated from that vision these banners so awesomely portrayed of raving. These banners seemed so out of place in raves today. It's like for me getting over the flu virus that has been plaguing me for almost a month. I can blame the little old Asian lady who was hacking her guts out last month on the bus sitting next to me, I can blame the cold summer days in San Francisco for not getting better, or I can see that walking around in the cold without a jacket on or not resting as I should is the reason why I have the flu lingering in me today. We can blame the sad state of the scene on shady, greedy promoters, rock star DJ's, the cops, the mainstream invaders, etards and drugs, but instead can we see that what we are doing is very much a contributor, and all these problems is our karma and our karma call to come back to the true roots or vision of raving? It's like this; when was the last time you went to a party purely for the music and doing drugs was not the main intent? When was the last time you went to a party with gifts to give out to strangers? When was the last time you went to a party with the intent to break away from your close circle of friends and go and meet new friends? When was the last time you went to a party and instead of segregating yourself with a close group of friends and lay on the floor with them all night and roll your ass off too fucked up to dance, go around and be a vibe patroller, hugging people, making sure everyone was OK and happy and making strangers and loners feel welcome and comfortable? When was the last time you went to a party and be an example of PLUR to the newbies and show them from your behavior what real raving is all about? Can you see that this is the real reason why our scene is the way it is today, and all the harassment from cops, a hysterical media, lost venues and shady parties, egos, the misuse of ecstasy and other drugs, is our karma, and being selfish, segregated and unfriendly to strangers and not caring and watching out for each other is the real problem in our scene and our problems our behavior and attitudes is causing as being our karma call to come back to the vision? Like the little old Asian lady on the bus who may have given me the flu or the cold weather, shady promoters and parties, persecuting cops, a hysterical media, etards and drugs are an after thought. What is real is like me not blaming anybody or any situation for my flu but me taking care of myself and wearing a jacket when IM out now, and as for us in the raving community, not blaming anybody or anything for the dismal state of the scene but seeing the way you and I are acting as ravers and what we are doing now. Yes, there is a time and place to boycott the corporate invasion of our scene, to protest and resist the war waged by the cops and government officials on our civil right to peacefully assemble and dance, and for consenting adults to exercise their constitutional right to pursue happiness via raving, but we need to listen to our karma call and return to our roots or vision, and then the boycotts and protests and resistance's will be more effective. May many listen and change our karma. Peace, love and hugs to all! Bodhi ^ _ ^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69820-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 04:30:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51815 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 04:30:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51800 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 04:30:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.19.151.178] Reply-To: "Cheese" From: "Cheese" To: "RAVIN RIZ" , , , , , "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , "f8" References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:40:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 04:28:51.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[A33E0820:01C11654] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) 1. What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? Mint Chocalate Chip! or Bubblegum... 2. Favorite Music? Hardcore! The happy kind!!! =) or "US" Hard House not "UK" 3. Hair color? Dirty Blonde 4. Pets? A cat named Schmermf, (also known as Satan) 5. Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! Really Way Out there! Arguing with Nick aka Ecko... just kidding --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69821-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 04:37:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58721 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 04:37:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58706 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 04:37:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727043653.45645.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: dank smoker To: Cheese , RAVIN RIZ , dj_choco@hotmail.com, starkand_e@yahoo.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org, "Eckö" , f8 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) --- Cheese wrote: > 1. What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? ice cream eh...well on the days i can actually manage to motivate myself to pry my stoned ass off the couch and drive all the way to cold stone creamery i find myself getting what my girlfriend wants to get because ice cream doesnt really tickle my pickle. > > 2. Favorite Music? > evil hardcore, evil jungle. i guess you could say im just an evil kind of guy. > > 3. Hair color? > depends on the disguise i happen to be wearing that day > > 4. Pets? you all are my pets > > 5. Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! > obtaining knowledge and using it to my advantage. im actually thinking of joining the CIA. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69822-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 05:16:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78676 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 05:16:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78666 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 05:16:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.12.82.241] From: "Mike Stat" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:15:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 05:15:31.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[285971B0:01C1165B] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Unity Vibe Tribe's "All One" info? Does anyone have the infoline/website/information for this party? Thanks, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69823-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 05:42:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92465 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 05:42:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 92452 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 05:42:02 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <004901c1165c$ee082cc0$271be9d1@kelly> From: "kryptyk" To: , "Sfraves@Hyperreal.Org" Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:28:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C11622.418021E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] [SF] HALFLIFE - monday night drum and bass -- this week [07.30.2k1] -- SIREN [groundscore/nyc] ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C11622.418021E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // H A L F L I F E //=20 // // monday night drum and bass // // an sibin=20 // 1176 sutter [x polk] - sf // this week: SIREN - [groundscore/nyc] DJ M - [freebeats] KRYPTYK - [halflife/radio*dmz] w/ AUDIO ANGEL [groundscore/sf] on vox=20 thanks to everyone who came out last week. the compound records boys = dropped some great shit. be sure to check out aye-n and ivry at LINKD = tomorrow night (330 ritch - SF). this week, SIREN returns to the city = to drop one of her wicked sets on top of our (almost) unsuspecting = little party. if you've never caught siren before, expect to dance your = ass off. and with support from dj m, audio angel and myself, running = for the muni on tuesday morning will just plain hurt in yo ass! you = headz out there know you don't wanna miss this! ah, mondays just don't have to suck anymore!! // H A L F L I F E // // // 9:30-2:00am // $3 after 10 // 21+ pleeeze // // an sibin // 1176 sutter [x polk] sf // www.geocities.com/halflifesf // cu @ linkd peace -r ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C11622.418021E0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-69824-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 05:49:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96466 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 05:49:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96454 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 05:49:02 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c1165f$fb5c5100$63f05140@jinx> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" To: "Mike Stat" , References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:50:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Unity Vibe Tribe's "All One" info? 1-650-829-5559 is the info line hope you find all the info you need... Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Stat" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: [sfraves] Unity Vibe Tribe's "All One" info? > Does anyone have the infoline/website/information for this party? > > Thanks, > Mike > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69825-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 06:15:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7720 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 06:15:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 7710 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 06:15:29 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [136.152.193.9] From: "DJ D" To: djd-announce@dj-d.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org, frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:14:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 06:14:14.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C0465D0:01C11663] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] * SOUND ASYLUM II! * Official Line-up & flyer! (bsp) Hi all! Things are going smoothly for SOUND ASYLUM II... we've secured a neat, permitted venue, as well as a bangin' line up! Here's your table technicians for August 24th, 2001: Thomas Trouble (Blutonium Records USA, The Agency SF) Denise (http://www.djDenise.com, Berkeley) Joey Mazzola (Solmatic Records, The Agency SF) Tracer (Tektite, SF) Happy Kid Marty (Happy Kids, SF) O'Syrus (Sticky Vinyl, Vallejo) Chade (Sticky Vinyl) Twink (Sticky Vinyl) Tamim vs. Hydro (Sticky Vinyl) Supa DJ Era vs. Squire (Sticky Vinyl) Paul the Fanman (Kids At Play, SF) Kent Check out the flyer images at http://www.dj-d.com/flyers/soundasylum2.jpg. 16+, 9pm-4am, Presale Only! You all remember how much fun we had at the first Sound Asylum, so come on & join us once again! And, for those of you who missed the first one, now's your chance to see what everybody was talking about!!! :P Thanks & take care, D :) --< Denise Rees --< Denise aka DJ D --< denise_djd@hotmail.com --< http://www.djDenise.com --< http://www.DJ-D.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69826-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 06:19:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11662 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 06:19:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11649 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 06:19:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [172.149.30.217] From: "Deeze williams" To: ecko37@pacbell.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Cc: frequency-8@squinky.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:18:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 06:18:31.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5544AC0:01C11663] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! What is the information with Something to think about? I only got replys to this thing and not the original message. Ya heard meh! >From: Tera Ball >To: Ecko , sf >CC: f8 >Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) > > > No! That isn't something to think about! That is so mean! > Ecko wrote: >http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > >Nick >http://www.core-nrg.net >http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69827-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 07:57:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55978 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 07:57:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 55968 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 07:57:45 -0000 From: "donbrannon" To: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:07:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] RAVES, COMMERCE, AND MOI *cough* That is not what grows where cows shit. :oP donb -----Original Message----- From: DF doc [mailto:thedfdoc@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:06 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] RAVES, COMMERCE, AND MOI Wow, it's very unfortunate there's a lot of folks that feel like leaving the list due what's been going on here in NorCal, including myself but think about this before you guys go....... "Where a cow sh*t's, flowers grow" dfdoc- P.S. Apollo I'll see you @ Come-unity for sure next week! NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69828-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 08:08:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61602 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 08:08:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 61592 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 08:08:56 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:10:28 -0700 From: veanne To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12b.20339d4.289245bc@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Area 51 Controversey: Blame vs Karma quick thought though... because of the shitty economy(aren't we all tired of this topic yet??), do you think we'll be able to get a kickass line up for 20 bucks anytime soon?? -ve on 7/26/01 9:19 PM, BodhiInSF@aol.com at BodhiInSF@aol.com wrote: > Just a little side thought here; remember a just few years ago when people > bitched about how outrageous $25 and $30 was for parties and thought they > were a big rip off? Ten years ago, parties were on the average of $10, now > they are pushing $40+. That's a 400% increase in ticket prices over the ten > years, an average of $40% a year! Fuck'n shit, raver inflation is almost as > bad as inflation in some third world nation like Paraguay or Argentina! - : contact - aim : mylai email - swervin@mylai.com homepage : www.mylai.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69829-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 08:19:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65824 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 08:19:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 65814 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 08:19:46 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <003701c11674$aa22a860$1e02fea9@djesmo> From: "E S M O" To: "sfraves" , , "DJ D LIST" Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:18:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C11639.FD35E840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] *****FIESTA***FIESTA***** !!!TODAY!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C11639.FD35E840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nightlife Productions Presents... 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sfraves-return-69830-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 09:45:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20953 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 09:45:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20943 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 09:45:18 -0000 From: MoonChyld1@aol.com Message-ID: <24.16c9339b.289291ef@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 05:44:15 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_24.16c9339b.289291ef_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ascension review =) --part1_24.16c9339b.289291ef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes, i finally went out somewhere! lol... so i put in my two weeks notice at work today, and my roommate turned 21 at midnight, and Jeno was playing, so what more reason did i need to make it out to berkeley? and can i just say that i had so much fun! I met some new faces (but all not new names) finally after years of reading deepfog's quote of the day, I got to meet tony and put a face to the name... I got to see a lot of other people that i haven't seen in months (prolly since the fuck the neighboors final house party) or even before that. Hey Cat, Michael, Peter.... got to see my sfrp family, i just can't even start to name you all, or it will sound like an acceptance speech at the oscars.... almost the whole crew was there, you all rock i love you... osby has the hookups at the bar! thanks again babe. thanks to everyone who wished my roommie a happy 21st, even though she didn't know any of you all.. she had a great time! gotta love the hospitality that our bay area scene has... she's originally from southern cali, and most of her good friends live in humbolt, so they couldn't be there to celebrate tonight, i'm glad you all were able to make her feel welcome! aaron got some great pics on his digital camera, which he promised to post! i'm stoked... and then of corse, there was jeno... not that i hadn't already loved this man, but it was fucking rocking... i broke the no dancing for two weeks rule (i hurt my knee, so it was doctor's orders) cuz i just couldn't *not* move.... aaron and alida--there will be no hating on family, there is room enough for both of you in marin! lol now that we've settled that... anyways, it was great to see ascension diversify and bring out a great night of house... thanks to everyone for a good time, and i can say now that i finally got off my ass and made it out this week, it won't be the last! love and hugs and kisses, tina --part1_24.16c9339b.289291ef_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69831-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 09:49:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23767 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 09:49:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 23757 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 09:49:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [206.170.1.141] From: "DJ Tronic" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:47:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 09:47:59.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[3872E290:01C11681] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TONIGHT! Matrix WEST! $10 before 10:30! 9pm-4am!.BSP Hope to see some of ya out there tonight! Should be a lot of fun! Tronic. Spin Knowledge is proud to present a new event every Friday night: Club Matrix West! Located at 1803 Webster St.-Downtown Oakland Information #: 510.596.8909 9pm-4am FULLY Permitted! 2 Rooms of Pure Talent! $10 admission before 10:30 $15 admission after 10:30 18+ with ID please! July 27th Lineup: Room One: Trance/NRG Morgan (HardNRG.com, Lotek Records) .One of the pioneers of the UK Hard House/Hard NRG sound in the US.. Morgan is taking it to new heights! Having played from coast to coast sharing his style to anyone who wants to hear, Morgan has gained a lot of popularity throughout the country! Elemental (www.elemenal.nu) .Known as both a DJ and VJ, Elemental has for quite sometime proven his talents far beyond just that of your normal DJ. Do not miss his set this night! Bazooka Joe (DJBazookaJoe.com) .One of the fastest rising names in the UK Hard House/Hard NRG scene here in the Bay Area, Bazooka Joe seems to be on a mission! His skills behind the decks are not to be taken lightly! DJ Reese (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Spin Knowledge) .Another one of the fast rising UK Hard House/Hard NRG talents in the bay.. Reese will take you from fun to happy and happy to fun and back again! A true crowd pleaser.. he will not only have ya dancin but have ya smilin! Reclipse .Having made his debut at the grand opening of Club Matrix West, we just had to have him back! With his signature style of Melodic and Progressive Trance.. please do not miss this soon to be crowd favorite! Room Two: House/US Hard House/Techno DJ Pat (Teknique, Fresno) .One of the Hardest working and best Techno DJs on the west coast! If you don't know.. you need to experience a set from this world re-known DJ! Having been one of the only American DJs to ever play at some of the most respected German locales.. his respect for his music and what he's been able to do with it is unparalleled! DJ Tronic (LiquidVinylDJs.com, Resistance Recordings) .Pioneering the new sound of US Hard House.. DJ Tronic has seemed to be on a mission to share his music with the masses! With a full CD Release on Menace Records in early August, as well as releases on his US Hard House label Resistance Recordings-this well traveled DJ is just out to show what this new style is all about! Valerie Sparks (LiquidVinylDJs.com/Supernova) *Special House Set!* .One of the best DJs on the Happy Hardcore scene today, she drops those Hardcore records off at home and packs her House records just for this night! If you love her playing Hardcore, do not miss this RARE House set from her! Elektrolyte (Nueroscience Creations) .Alter egoes aside.. this man truly loves MUSIC! There's nothing better than dancing to and watching a DJ who loves music.. so we know for a fact that Elektrolyte will not cease to impress! A true acid techno/techno DJ.. from the moment his first record starts to the last record ends.. you will be dancing! Jayvi Velasco (Groove Industry) .One of the more respected House DJs makes his residency here at Club Matrix West! Droppin that House music to make ya move! Club Matrix West is brought to you every Friday Night! Do Not miss out on this new Club! Different themes every Friday.. different DJs.. same great vibe! Hope to see you out there! Upcoming Talent: August 3rd: Thee-O (Biohazard, Los Angeles), Justin Hale (Secret Society), Michael Liu (Illumination, Secret Society) August 10th: Spree (Sonicfury.net, Minneapolis), DJ Tony (Menace Records/Underground Sound Los Angeles) if you'd like to submit a demo to play at Club Matrix West.. feel free to drop me an email at djtronic@liquidvinyldjs.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69832-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 09:52:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26251 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 09:52:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26241 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 09:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727095139.24147.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "michael, the red stickman" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ass-en-tion cool night. saw lots of people, but where was the lifeguard? Ryan? Not-so-innocent-child? ;) Reunited with the HJBC, pleasurable as always; met Karma-Katt, mrrowr! Saw my Cutie Bee, met Mr. Starlighter :), hassled Osby, made fun of the pizza-roll man (yes, I was the one shouting, "go 'Geno', go 'Geno', pizza-roll...pizza roll" while doing the "cabbage patch"). Uuurgh. God damn it, I'm drunk. What else is new? Michael o)-< __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69833-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 09:55:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27929 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 09:55:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 27916 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 09:55:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727095403.56198.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: elias smith To: Ecko , Jeremy Bispo , sf In-Reply-To: <003e01c115fa$e37cd1a0$280110ac@nick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! --- Ecko wrote: > Do you have a sense of humor? It's a joke get a life > you fuc%#$ dork > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com It's spelled fucking, not fuc%#$. Geez, learn how to spell, you fucking dork. Fucking dork, fucking dork. SO fun to say. Fucking dork, ducking fork. Ducking fork, ducking fork, You stupid ducking fork. I can't spell right because I'm a ducking fork!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Bispo" > To: "Ecko" ; "sf" > > Cc: "f8" > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > > > I don't know why you keep posting to this list if > all you are going to say > > is negative shit. > > > > - jeremy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ecko" > > To: "sf" > > Cc: "f8" > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:23 AM > > Subject: [sfraves] something to think about!! > > > > > > http://www.conhugeco.org/junk/arguing.jpg > > > > Nick > > http://www.core-nrg.net > > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69834-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 10:12:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34466 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 10:12:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 34453 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 10:12:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 04:09:37 -0700 From: brynne is mobile In-reply-to: <996221987.65878.ezmlm@hyperreal.org> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Reply-to: cortezco@pacbell.net Message-id: <000001c11755$cad37800$8dc7fea9@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] your first DJ'ing gig Do any of the DJ's on the list remember thier first gig as a DJ? What was it like? wERE YOU SCARED? Did everyone leave the dance floor? I guess it must ve been cool enough for you to stick around. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69835-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 15:01:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77903 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 15:01:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77750 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 15:01:41 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lists>deepfog.com@pop.deepfog.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: SFRavEs Mailing List From: Deepfog Cc: "(nrr) Quote of the Day " Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] (nrr) Quote of the Day (Fri) One Page Principle: A specification that will not fit on one page of 8.5x11 inch paper cannot be understood. -- Mark Ardis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69836-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 15:41:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29211 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 15:41:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29201 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 15:41:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727154129.25629.qmail@web4406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:41:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Karma-Catt To: The List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-719145824-996248489=:22303" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] I'm alive... barely (Ascension review) --0-719145824-996248489=:22303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ack! It's 8:15 and I'm sitting here at work this morning only half alive! Oh, those damn great and exhausting Ascension nights! The place was packed (again) which is great for ACME, of coarse that means my ass was grabbed slightly more then usual too... lol... :o) Jeno was already spinning when I got there... okay one thing to say, ya'll gotta bring more money when you go to Ascension... it was soooo damn hard getting people to buy me drinks last night!! By the way, thank you Doug ;o) Yeah!!! I met more SFR heads last night... first (of coarse) Michael ~the red stickman~, then miss nexa! How cool to meet after all this time :o) Greg, and yeah Tina actually did make it out (with a happy b-day to her roommate!) oh oh oh... and Melanie (ya coming over tonight?) Yep, it was just too fun seeing nearly everyone come out last night! Everyone saw my blacklight responsive tongue ring, right? ;o)... *tee-hee* and the privileged few saw my temporary butterrfly tattoo too.. (oh and Dave, I may take you up on the offer to make it permanent!) yep yep it's fun to hang out with the ACME crew and the whole SFR family! The decorations were cool... I liked the christmas lights! The sound system was dope, and, yep, Jeno's set was just bumpin!!! Cool vibe and all that. The 'after-party' was nearly non-existent... just a hand full of us and most of the Blakes crew hanging out downstairs playing pool and drinking beer. Okay, so I didn't have a watch or anything, but Osby and I took off and next thing I know it was like 5:15am and I'm just crashing in Osby's guest room downstairs... too cute though cuz next thing I know Osby's mom is waking me up at 6:00am and she kinda asked me who I was but then she went ahead and guessed .. she thought that I was Nicola *tee-hee* .... Osby, your mom must think your like some pimp-daddy or somethin' ;o) ... Nope, it was just me Catt, half alive and walking out the door to get home before I had to leave for work, with Osby's mom telling me I had to stop at Starbucks on my way home.. lol yes ... I'm here at work this morning... I think I'm going to make it??... :o) Whatever it was sooooo worth it! I swear, every week Ascension just gets better and better!! I love you all! Thanks to ACME for the party! Love, Catt *meow* --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-719145824-996248489=:22303-- From sfraves-return-69837-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 15:50:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41169 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 15:50:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 41159 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 15:50:56 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.31.96.161] From: "innocentchild  " To: red_stickman@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:50:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 15:50:19.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[D63C2EF0:01C116B3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ass-en-tion Not so innocentchild is in Atlanta, GA for what would have been a friend's wedding if the dumb bitch hadn't called it off and left him. No reason given other than she's fucked in the head. *Bitter* Wish I could've been there especially after the voicemail from Lydia. You really made me miss you and that whole night. Glad to hear that it went well and everyone got to meet up. Be back on Monday and damn I want that to be today. Misses everyone and I'm sick which means I need lubs. =( ryan sninesix.design +nrg.says.grrr.rrr.rrr! evil.is.live _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69838-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 16:26:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71976 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 16:26:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 71966 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 16:26:38 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c116b8$f061f670$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:26:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1167E.40F939D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] All One Update...everyone going please read ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1167E.40F939D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Party Kids. I'm writing this email on behalf of Kevin. Wed night = Kevin found out that he would not be able to use the original venue. So = Kevin called me up, and we were on the search Wednesday and all of = Thursday. Last night we were presented with two options. 1 of those = options was to do the party UG. Well UVT promised you all a fully = permitted party so that's what we have to do. So Friday night the line = up is being cut to just the headliners and the party will be merged with = club Matrix. This venue will go to 6am tonight and you will get to hear = the entire club Matrix line up of dj's. For all of you that wanted to = hear our other dj's they will be playing at an UG party core: NRG is = going to put together tonight. So you have the option of going to ether = party. Now core: NRG will also be hosting an UG on Saturday Night witch = should have all of the original dj's promised at a three-room venue. = Anyone with an All One ticket will be able to attend both parties. = People that do not have an all one ticket can purchase them at the door = of club matrix tonight. For those of you that will be coming out on = Saturday and do not want to go tonight it will be 10 bucks per car load = of people.So we are urging you to car pool to minimize traffic. That = also goes for tonight UG party, 10 bucks a carload. If you have any = questions I will be happy to answer them for you, I would prefer you ask = Kevin though. I'm sorry this happed but we are doing our best to make = sure your weekend rawks. Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1167E.40F939D0-- From sfraves-return-69839-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 16:26:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72186 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 16:26:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72155 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 16:26:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727162628.29384.qmail@web4406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Karma-Catt To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, osby@ratkoonrat.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1510649473-996251187=:28167" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: Funny thing about Karma, ya know --0-1510649473-996251187=:28167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh, so this is the post you were telling me about ;o) Nah, sitting in a cop car is cool if you're not getting arrested, but those damn back seats are like concrete hard! Last time I was in the back, this guy I was with got arrested for weed or whatever but like while the cops were sorting everything out (which it does not take 3 cop cars to nab two people in a van, but whatever) I was chillin with these two cool ass lady cops! I asked them about the specialties of their police car and shit like that... unfortunately.. they really didn't know all that much about their car, cuz they switch cars like every shift.. yada yada... some of the specialty stuff was tight... they have switches for turning off their brake lights, and switches that will turn off just one headlight (so, from a distance people won't think it's a cop car cuz it looks like the light's out.) Cool, ass shit like that... not too mention the horse power of that thing! yea! okay... only 7 more hours of work to go... Love, Catt *meow* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To: The_List From: Osby Subject: Funny thing about Karma, ya know Message-Id: <20010726114002.5F95636FA@sitemail.everyone.net> Early in the evening wasn't the best time for me! In fact, the past 2 months more or less have been kinda shitty for me! I mean earlier, I got into again w/ my Pops & he was all yelling at me for no reason whatever la la la la la la la! I was kinda buggin' & it was kinda bad for a while! I did talk to a Groovy Ass Person on the phone for almost half an hour & that kinda lifted my spirits a lil', but I was still in the shits. So I get out aorund 12AM & start walking & like three & a half, maybe four miles later, I ended up at the gas station in good ol' Hercules! Hello 2day! So I'm all chillin' w/ the Dude workin' Graveyard (Jerry), & we talk!! OK, I'm so totally gonna be vague here 'cause we had this Dope ass conversation about music and stuff & I can tell y'all now that BaD AsS things will be happening soon w/ me & things I been working towards for a while now will finally start paying off! I will tell everyone more about this as it progresses, but for now I can say "PsychoWard" =) LoL I dunno, but I think Karma's kinda comin' around for me again & it's kinna Groovy! Oh yeah, I was chillin' at the gas station for like 3 hours 'cause I wanted 2 find a ride home! It was a Groovy walk, but I kept thinkin' that walkin' back to my pad woulda been kinda scary at 2,3 in the morn! Then again, it was kinda scary sitting in the back of a cop car on the way home! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1510649473-996251187=:28167-- From sfraves-return-69840-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 16:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4790 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 16:58:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4731 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 16:58:21 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RWNr9g==?=" , "Mike Stat" , References: <001401c1165f$fb5c5100$63f05140@jinx> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:58:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 16:57:41.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FE11470:01C116BD] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Unity Vibe Tribe's "All One" info? I think you gave out the wrong number... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eckö" > 1-650-829-5559 is the info line hope you find all the info you need... > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Stat" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:15 PM > Subject: [sfraves] Unity Vibe Tribe's "All One" info? > > > > Does anyone have the infoline/website/information for this party? > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69841-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 17:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19375 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 17:13:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 19363 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:13:44 -0000 To: frequency-8@squinky.org@squinky.org From: Shaman Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org CC: "RAVIN RIZ" , , , , , "Eckö" , "f8" Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:02:59 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-201-80-43.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.43]; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:13:14 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 500/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: F8: It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) >1. What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? What, you mean sugar? Sorry, I don't do white powders >2. Favorite Music? The sound of the ocean... Seriously, progressive breaks >3. Hair color? Right now it's dirty blonde, but it's been blue, green, yellow, orange, white, black, brown... Celebrate diversity! > 4. Pets? 2 cats (gershwin & my baby kitten analog) 1 snake (houdini, a ball python) 1 stuffed cow (kronik) 3 evil little piggies (see, hear, speak) 1 pet guitar (mable) > > 5. Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! Really Way Out there! >I like listening to Alanis. Don't laugh! She rox! Baked, Not Fried, Shaman >--- >If you wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@squinky. org >with "unsubscribe frequency-8" in the message body. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69842-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 17:14:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20783 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 17:14:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 20765 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:14:14 -0000 From: TyGrrLiLy420@aol.com Message-ID: <75.18369d2b.2892fb3b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:13:31 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_75.18369d2b.2892fb3b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Access? --part1_75.18369d2b.2892fb3b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried calling the info lines, but there is no messege up. Anyone know whats up, or how I can find more info about this party? --part1_75.18369d2b.2892fb3b_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69843-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 17:16:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24169 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 17:16:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24159 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:16:45 -0000 Message-ID: <3B61A31A.F81F8C90@atc.creative.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:21:30 -0700 From: Martin Randall Organization: Creative ATC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Mailbombing help Some of you hi-tech people should be able to help me with this one. One of my accounts is being continuously mailbombed by someone sending me emails containing the W32/SirCam@MM virus. I've been getting an email about once a minute for the past 3 days! I've been filtering these to trash, but it's still really disruptive. I've contacted the senders ISP several times now, but so far they haven't done anything to stop it, and I'm still getting these emails. What would people suggest I do now? Is there some way to elevate this, or report it (or the ISP) to some higher authority? Help!! - Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69844-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 17:23:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29361 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 17:23:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 29351 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:23:02 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.142.153.34] From: "Megan Long" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:22:21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 17:22:21.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1D5DF40:01C116C0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Brainchild & Area: One meetup Happy Friday to everyone! So, what with Hipp-e and Halo getting canceled at the Brainchild weekly at the Limelight, does anyone know the status for Jon the Dentist next week? I really hope he shows, I've been wanting to see this NRG/trance master for a long time - and it's my friend's birthday and he likes him even more! I'll be at Area: One as well and will try to make it to the meetup spot (at 6 by the totem pole?). I wouldn't count on the event going much past 11 p.m. considering it starts at 3:30 p.m.... **Megan** _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69845-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 17:39:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43612 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 17:39:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 43578 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:39:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.173] From: "Becca Plevin" To: red_stickman@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:38:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 17:38:22.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEC66350:01C116C2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ass-en-tion Heh- our favorite always-guilty-of-something Ryan is in Atlanta for the week.... don't worry, I'm sure he will cause some mayhem and destruction when he gets home. :-P Becca Michael- sorry I was so incoherent when I was talking to you at the end of the night- Joe makes very very strong drinks. ;-) >From: "michael, the red stickman" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] ass-en-tion >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:51:39 -0700 (PDT) > >cool night. saw lots of people, but where was the >lifeguard? Ryan? Not-so-innocent-child? ;) >Reunited with the HJBC, pleasurable as always; met >Karma-Katt, mrrowr! Saw my Cutie Bee, met Mr. >Starlighter :), hassled Osby, made fun of the >pizza-roll man (yes, I was the one shouting, "go >'Geno', go 'Geno', pizza-roll...pizza roll" while >doing the "cabbage patch"). Uuurgh. > >God damn it, I'm drunk. What else is new? > > >Michael >o)-< > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69846-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 17:45:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53596 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 17:45:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 53586 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:45:31 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.123.58.123] From: "... ! ..." To: ravin_riz@hotmail.com, dj_choco@hotmail.com, starkand_e@yahoo.com, osby@ratkoonrat.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:44:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 17:44:50.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5A44170:01C116C3] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] It's a small survey thingie, but fun =) >1. What's your favorite Ice Cream Flavor? Blackberry >2. Favorite Music? In this instant: flamenco. > >3. Hair color? Chestnut > >4. Pets? 5 cats (15 or so MIA, 5 or so squashed), 2 dogs (1 buried), 2 escaped peacocks, 2 mangled ducks (blame the dogs), 15 dead rabbits (dinner!), 1 snake. IMO, they never cease being pets. >5. Most RADICAL guilty pleasure you have! Really Way Out there! Breathing (or lack thereof) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69847-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 17:47:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58123 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 17:47:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58112 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:47:06 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.82.101.130] From: "Audra Olazabal" To: apollo@speakeasy.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:46:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 17:46:25.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E34FFC0:01C116C4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Apollo leaving the list... apollo, so i agree with everything you wrote in your post -- specifically regarding the commercialism and the crew manipulations and how great it would be to be able to share and communicate the real essence of raving to the majority group that sadly doesn't know what that is -- but there's one thing that i feel compelled to express... You are one of the few people that actually provides that humbleness and depth of thought...one who grasps the scene very clearly and tries to share that with others...and as much as it may not seem like you're having the sort of effect that you would like...believe me when i say it has an impact... To tell you the truth, of all the people on SFR and all the posts i read (much of it i don't read though, for the reasons you listed in your post)yours are the ones that i value the most. I've talked with other SFRers about your posts and how much i agree with them and tend to learn from them, and they feel the same way... So i would say that by losing you we're one step closer to losing sight of what it is that *some* of us fight so hard for...the people on this list can use your wisdom and probably do take it in...it reminds us of that which we forget and quote unquote 'brings us back to our roots'... You deciding such a thing i'm sure has come with these thoughts considered, and it's not my place to try to convince you to stay...but i feel it would be remiss not to tell you that i, at least, will be sad to see you go... *and i still haven't even met you* ;( well...that's enough from me...thanks for the words of wisdom, oh yoda of the raving world...hopefully i'll see you around somewhere, sometime, in the not too distant future... *audra* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69848-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 17:55:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63550 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 17:55:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 63540 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:55:39 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [165.123.58.123] From: "... ! ..." To: apollo@speakeasy.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:54:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 17:54:57.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FCCCF80:01C116C5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] RAVES, COMMERCE, AND MOI Do you suppose it might be worthy to recreate the Acid Tests? Or, do you think that such an idea has already had its time? (I really, really enjoyed the movie A.I.) - Q >From: "Apollo" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: [sfraves] RAVES, COMMERCE, AND MOI >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:54:24 -0700 > >For the first time since I signed on the list again I have seriously >thought >about leaving it. Not dancing, raving, and fighting for the right to do >so. I'll never give that up. Just sfraves. > >I came back on the list over a year ago because I thought, in this time of >increased commercialization of the community and state oppression of dance >culture, it might be valuable to provide some old school perspective on the >music and the culture. This, in the hope that we might all find a better >way to maintain and nurture the values that created the rave subculture -- >while providing better methods of introducing the many new souls yearning >for some life experience beyond consumerism and job productivity to the >magic that is raving -- than the big commercial parties and massives. > >My own agenda has always been clear. Raving and EDM can be a powerful >force >for positive social and cultural change. As well as lots of fun. A >revolution that is actually fun is hard to resist. > >In fact, however, much, perhaps most of the time on this list is spent in >the promotion, sometimes extremely aggressive and manipulative, of >commercial parties by promoters, their business associates, and friends; >disappointment with the outcomes of many of these events; attempts to wash >the mess of bad parties away by the same commercial coalitions; and then >the business of raving all over again. > >This is not about Area 51 in particular. If you've been on the list for >any >time you've noticed that the most divisive issue in this community is the >commercial scene. Moderation, I believe, arose out of disputes amongst >promoters. Good people have left the list, some recently, because they >have >felt the frustration and pain of all this business enterprise masquerading >as PLUR. > >For me, raving is not a business. At its best, raving is a valuable, life >transforming experience. This can't be bought or sold. This experience of >raving is created by those whose primary interest is in constructing an >temporary autonomous space where participants can be freely express >themselves through music and dance, unite with like-mined souls, and >experience communal, tribal union that is both liberating and enlightening. >More anarchy than capitalist structure:) Those whose primary interest is in >making money and satisfying investors don't usually come up with anything >I'd classify as "raves." > >There is, of course, the wonderful underground. There is enough of that to >keep me personally happy. The underground these days has little to do with >this list, and this list has little to do with the underground. For many >good reasons. > >But the underground has severe limitations. As an instrument of social >change it lacks the resources to reach only a relative handful of the >people >who want the experience of raving and are serious about finding it. Only >hundreds can attend Wicked FMRs, FnF and Cloudfactory parties, for example, >where there are many thousands who would benefit personally from such >parties. They are, therefore, no longer a point of entry into raving but, >rather, the end of a rainbow that for many may take years to find, if they >don't give up after becoming jaded with the commercial scene first. And >they are, by necessity, very exclusive. This gives many good souls outside >the circle of friends the impression that they are somehow unworthy of this >selective crowd. > >What is the point of entry, these days, for a soul yearning to "rave?" The >commercial party, usually the massive. Good luck. Some are worthy events, >like Skills' Popsikle and last year's Imagine. Others are cold, >calculating >attempts to exploit the spiritual needs of young people. And still others >are well-intentioned attempts that are flawed because those who throw them >lack the experience and business acumen to deal with the complexity of >large >event planning. All in all, the massives are a very poor introduction to >"raving" for most. You get the music -- sometimes -- but the spiritual >element for the most part is submerged in the money. > >We need to create, IMHO, a new paradigm to bring raving into the 21st >century. A new point of entry for the thousands of young dancers wanting >to >experience what those of you who have been around for awhile know about. >Not the commercial parties. The underground can't serve them initially. >What we need is a collective, non-profit, effort in our community to >provide >large, community parties on a regular basis to illustrate to the newbies >what raving is all about. > >A year ago I embarked on such an effort. At first, I thought I'd throw a >good old fashioned FMR (still may), but then I realized that I would be >involved in the selectivity required for such parties. And I wanted to >bring the magic to a larger audience. So I thought, gee, I can take, with >some pain, $20 or $30k out of savings and invest in such an event with no >expectation of return and the risk that I might lose some of it. And I >looked for other social-change minded folks within my circle of friends who >would agree to "liberate" some cash for periods of time with 0% return and, >again, the risk that they might not get all of it back, to throw a >break-even massive for love. I actually got most of the backing assembled >and was ready to approach DJs, etc., in the community to either donate or >provide services at cost when -- the current recession hit. All of us took >a hit on this, and many people dropped out. Interestingly, all of the 0% >investment came from people outside the community. > >I still think this idea is viable, although the economy is not what it was >a >year ago. The idea is to provide on at least a bi-annual basis a large, >permitted, "reference" party with genuine raver values that is funded by 0% >loans from good-hearted people, some donations of time and talent, under >the >structure of some very rigorous business operations discipline. > >Many of you know me as the "soft-headed" raver idealist, but I put pasta on >the table for years by doing R&D and assembling complex ops for one of the >largest consumer direct marketing organizations in the country. I have a >low tolerance for bad ops. > >As for this list. I really love you all. Lots of very good people here. >But it seems we are going in circles. Got to break out of the bullshit and >separate the business from the magic. I really don't know if I have a way >to do that, so I'm feeling frustrated myself. I have absolutely no >commercial interests these days in our community. I promote Come-Unity for >free. I'm not part of any production companies or crews. I buy my tickets >and stand in line with the rest of you dancers. If I throw any parties >they >will be free, or to cover costs only. I have no hidden agenda. All I >really want is to show lots of people new to the scene what raving can >really be. If sfraves is no longer the place to do that, well, I'll move >on. > >Hope to see some of you on the dance floor this weekend:) > >Much love, > >Apollo > > > > > > >"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men..." > >- Roald Dahl, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory > > >"Spend money on experience, not on goods." > >- Ben, Burningman 2000 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69849-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 18:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83285 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 18:12:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83274 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 18:12:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.82.101.130] From: "Audra Olazabal" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:12:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 18:12:01.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[A229DCC0:01C116C7] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] I'm alive too... barely (Ascension review) Catt, i agree with you whole heartedly...somehow i'm here at work...although i've yet to actually do any work...but that's besides the point...last night rocked. It may very well have been my favorite ascension yet. the decorations were awesome -- as well they should be after all the time we spent putting them up, the place was packed (is it just me though, that thinks it somehow didn't get as hot down there as normally?), and there were great friends abounding... To start i've got to say that i absolutely LOVE max (alkaline) and chris (tirrell)...they are slowly becoming my favorite DJs...i think it has something to do with their stage presence...and the awesomely funky tracks they lay down...and in a 2x4 they worked really well together... I'd never heard Jeno before and have got to say i'm impressed...the guy's dope and i can see how he get such a big following...that funky track by marvin gaye -- how COOL was that? but on to tidbit stories of the night... 1. so katie (the cute little redhead in the schoolgirl outfit with the glowing orange bag) and i ended up in the bathroom together and she tells me that she wants to sew rhinestones onto a pink 'sleeping eye cover thing' but that she can't think of what to write...and i say 'groove kitty' and then she hugged me and starts like jumping up and down with excitement -- who knew eye covers could be so exhilirating? 2. then there was the end of the night (at which point i was exhausted), but as the music turns off and dave does his little 'thanks for coming out' speech on the mic, he starts singing 'lean on me'...and then EVERYONE starts singing lean on me and they're clapping and swaying and all i can do is stand there DUMBFOUNDED at what was happening...so i had been taking down lights behind the DJ table when this started...and i look over to Jeno, and he looks at me kinda funny and all i could say was "i bet you've never seen this before" and he just cracked up...it was beautiful... 3. and then there were karma-catt and jon (fuckwork)...who were both MIGHTY plastered...at the end, they stood there, holding each other up (which didn't work very well) and jon started getting reminiscent about the fact that we've known each other since 7th grade and how i used to mark him present when he'd cut school after lunch and how i'd get him in trouble in history class for yelling '4 minutes' and catt just kept swaying and saying 'isn't she sweet?, that's so sweet of her, she's cool'....it was anarchy... So anyway...long post...i'm rambling. But it was great to see so many of you out and about last night...good times, good times... *audra* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69850-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 18:13:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86971 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 18:13:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86961 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 18:13:37 -0000 Message-ID: <006c01c116c7$e04dc2a0$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "sf" References: <336655BB7E20D411900200508BC2710D0CB8EECB@sjcxmb02.corp.covad.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:13:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] All One Update...everyone going please read I will have a list of where all the dj's will be and infoline numbers for all three parties...So just chill for a lil bit and I will get the info for everyone.. Peace Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hampton, Scott" To: "'Ecko'" Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: RE: [sfraves] All One Update...everyone going please read > how exactly are the djs gonna be split up? i might hit up both, and was > looking for something tomorrow as well as tonight, but it really depends on > where everyone is gonna be... > i'd ask kevin but i don't know who he is or how to get ahold of him, even > after checking both websites > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecko [mailto:ecko37@pacbell.net] > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 9:27 AM > To: sf > Cc: f8 > Subject: [sfraves] All One Update...everyone going please read > > > Hello Party Kids. I'm writing this email on behalf of Kevin. Wed night Kevin > found out that he would not be able to use the original venue. So Kevin > called me up, and we were on the search Wednesday and all of Thursday. Last > night we were presented with two options. 1 of those options was to do the > party UG. Well UVT promised you all a fully permitted party so that's what > we have to do. So Friday night the line up is being cut to just the > headliners and the party will be merged with club Matrix. This venue will go > to 6am tonight and you will get to hear the entire club Matrix line up of > dj's. For all of you that wanted to hear our other dj's they will be playing > at an UG party core: NRG is going to put together tonight. So you have the > option of going to ether party. Now core: NRG will also be hosting an UG on > Saturday Night witch should have all of the original dj's promised at a > three-room venue. Anyone with an All One ticket will be able to attend both > parties. People that do not have an all one ticket can purchase them at the > door of club matrix tonight. For those of you that will be coming out on > Saturday and do not want to go tonight it will be 10 bucks per car load of > people.So we are urging you to car pool to minimize traffic. That also goes > for tonight UG party, 10 bucks a carload. If you have any questions I will > be happy to answer them for you, I would prefer you ask Kevin though. I'm > sorry this happed but we are doing our best to make sure your weekend rawks. > > Nick > http://www.core-nrg.net > http://www.unityvibetribe.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69851-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 18:15:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89243 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 18:15:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 89231 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 18:15:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727131712.26006.qmail@www.nexpoint.org> From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:17:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP >> LOOSE CABOOSE Tonight! @ ~Waves~ << :::::: GET FUNkeh IN OUR HOUSE :::::: @ The Historic Waves Smokehouse & Saloon 65 Post St, Downtown SJ (BBQ Dinner Served Nightly/Happy Hr. 4:30 - 7PM M-F all drafts $2.75) ~ $2 ~ loose house spun tight till 2AM - 21+ street level |RON REESER : JORDAN JOVES : BRIAN THOMAS : LUDRCRIS : JASENC| upstairs |O'HENRY : DILEMA FUNK DOC : CHRIS & CHRIS| beautiful 100yr old bar w/ 24 BEERs on tap <> visual stimuli <> casual sorroundings <> plenty of room to shake your caboose <> open-air lounge upstairs Directions: Take 680/280 towards Downtown San Jose. Take 87 Gueadalupe Expressway North. take the Santa Clara Street exit. Turn Right on Santa Clara Street until you get to Market St. Turn right on Market St. & then make an immediate left on Post St. You will see WAVES on the corner. 40/885-WAVE + STARTING AUG 10 > Every 2nd Friday of the Month oOTechnorepublic.netOo brings Tech/Deep/Funky house music to the South Bay with sublime guest DJs each rotation LOG-ON to www.technorepublic.net for updates and audio on these events and others including MekkaSF. Also, listen to a live mix by David Garcia (Solmatic Records) @ the WMC 2001: Ultra Beach Festival 3 while searching the newly updated NEWS section. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69852-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 18:27:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1549 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 18:27:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1538 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 18:27:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727182738.13758.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Dahl To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] neil diamond is on tour !!! nrr now, some of you don't know who that is, but if you've been dating people who are about 20-30 years older than you, you might have an inkling....he's a famous singer/entertainer, and lots of people all around the world love that man... so, anyway, i don't know if you saw "Good Morning America" or not this morning, but he was performing live outdoors in New York, and he even pulled a cop out of the audience to sing "Sweet Caroline" along with him. I know he's got tour dates coming up in California too. I also KNOW that some of you are totally interested. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69853-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 18:38:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11397 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 18:38:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11387 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 18:38:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve DiVerdi To: SF-Raves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] vestax pmc-270a ? bah. i'm back for a moment, cause i'm having a bit o' difficulty here.... after a year of playing on other people's decks, i'm buying my own. got the tables, the cartridges, and the headphones covered, but the mixer is turning out to be a pain in the ass. i want a vestax pmc-270a. I've seen them advertised at $360, but that would be about three weeks time to get them, since they've been discontinued. I don't really want to wait three weeks, but if it comes down to it, that's what i'll have to do. if anyone knows some place up here that has them in stock, PLEASE LET ME KNOW... alternatively, the pmc-170 would be adequate, but it's also been discontinued. apparently the 175 and 275 haven't been shipped yet. so there's like a vestax void. basically, i'd be happy with any of the four, but the 275 is a bit more expensive than i wanted to go. i just want to find one sooner than three to four weeks from now. any help anyone can give is MUCH appreciated! drSpin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69854-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 18:46:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21639 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 18:46:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 21621 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 18:46:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727184628.15428.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:46:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "michael, the red stickman" To: Becca Plevin , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ass-en-tion Ugh...hung over. :p Doh. I remember only half of the stupid things I did last night, and I'm embarrassed. I was thinking to myself, "thank god no one took any pictures." But I remember now that Osby did, as well as a bunch of others. Oh well. It was good to see you Becca, I was pretty incoherent as well. Also good to see Doug, Tina and her birthday roommate, Boomerang, um, who else? Becky from Primal, ACME Dave, uh...I'm really bad at this shout out thing. Forgive me if I forgot anyone. Michael o)-< --- Becca Plevin wrote: > Heh- our favorite always-guilty-of-something Ryan is > in Atlanta for the > week.... don't worry, I'm sure he will cause some > mayhem and destruction > when he gets home. :-P > > Becca > > Michael- sorry I was so incoherent when I was > talking to you at the end of > the night- Joe makes very very strong drinks. ;-) > > > >From: "michael, the red stickman" > > >cool night. saw lots of people, but where was the > >lifeguard? Ryan? Not-so-innocent-child? ;) > >Reunited with the HJBC, pleasurable as always; met > >Karma-Katt, mrrowr! Saw my Cutie Bee, met Mr. > >Starlighter :), hassled Osby, made fun of the > >pizza-roll man (yes, I was the one shouting, "go > >'Geno', go 'Geno', pizza-roll...pizza roll" while > >doing the "cabbage patch"). Uuurgh. > > > >God damn it, I'm drunk. What else is new? > > > > > >Michael > >o)-< __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69855-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 18:50:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25914 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 18:50:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25882 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 18:50:25 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Geoff Herbst" To: "michael, the red stickman" , "Becca Plevin" , Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:48:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010727184628.15428.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] ass-en-tion thanks for sharing that with us Mike. I feel all special n stuff. maybe we should black list you! hahahahaha gEoff ;) remember... its all about the cups! -----Original Message----- From: michael, the red stickman [mailto:red_stickman@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:46 AM To: Becca Plevin; sfraves@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [sfraves] ass-en-tion Ugh...hung over. :p Doh. I remember only half of the stupid things I did last night, and I'm embarrassed. I was thinking to myself, "thank god no one took any pictures." But I remember now that Osby did, as well as a bunch of others. Oh well. It was good to see you Becca, I was pretty incoherent as well. Also good to see Doug, Tina and her birthday roommate, Boomerang, um, who else? Becky from Primal, ACME Dave, uh...I'm really bad at this shout out thing. Forgive me if I forgot anyone. Michael o)-< --- Becca Plevin wrote: > Heh- our favorite always-guilty-of-something Ryan is > in Atlanta for the > week.... don't worry, I'm sure he will cause some > mayhem and destruction > when he gets home. :-P > > Becca > > Michael- sorry I was so incoherent when I was > talking to you at the end of > the night- Joe makes very very strong drinks. ;-) > > > >From: "michael, the red stickman" > > >cool night. saw lots of people, but where was the > >lifeguard? Ryan? Not-so-innocent-child? ;) > >Reunited with the HJBC, pleasurable as always; met > >Karma-Katt, mrrowr! Saw my Cutie Bee, met Mr. > >Starlighter :), hassled Osby, made fun of the > >pizza-roll man (yes, I was the one shouting, "go > >'Geno', go 'Geno', pizza-roll...pizza roll" while > >doing the "cabbage patch"). Uuurgh. > > > >God damn it, I'm drunk. What else is new? > > > > > >Michael > >o)-< __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Definatley lost the PLUR with that idea. Michelle --part1_61.10fecef8.28931529_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69857-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 19:27:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66540 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 19:27:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 66520 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 19:27:59 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.192.25] From: "DAVE" To: , , , Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:17:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C11696.0BED6FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 19:27:12.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[22F1A6D0:01C116D2] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] *BSP* TVP Presents a free party.. JIHAD July 27(tonight) ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C11696.0BED6FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tunnel-Vizions Presents... JIHAD =20 The Battle Begins... =20 Come witness the battle between good and evil as we step into a night = defined by solid breaks hardcore scratching and music that will move = your soul. Let us take control and bring you a higher level of = enlightenment as the dance floor war begins..=20 HADES(Jungle/Breaks) Expel Vs Digital (1200 Vandals) Classic (Gravity Point Productions) Essence Vs Jist=20 Shinobi Vs Judah (Break Yourself Peoductions) Spinner Vs Animate (Liquid Mercury/ Break Yourself Productions) ELYSIUM(Trance/Hardhouse) Alias Kid Wicked Aka Quest=20 Jinx Payam Stamatis This party was originally going to be a 15 $ party but due to city = interference we will be accepting donations at the door... NO ONE WILL = BE DENIED DUE TO LACK OF FUNDS....This is also going to be a birthday = celebration for Ashlee a member of Tunnel Vizion.. Remember this is a = party between good and evil so dress accordingly and have fun! The = Party kicks off @ 8PM (eastbay location) and will go strong into the = night.....Call the info line around 7PM tonight for directions.. HOPE 2 = SEE YOU THERE. =3D] INFO LINE: (925) 806-8810 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C11696.0BED6FA0-- From sfraves-return-69858-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 19:34:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78080 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 19:34:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78070 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 19:34:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727193341.75965.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:33:41 -0700 (PDT) From: PimpStress To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] what would u do? please help guidence needed I am writing a debate for one of my classes and need some help. i know all u out there have some great minds so i need some advice. we were having a discussion about trust in relationships and the pros and cons of them. someone brought up the topic of trust and how it affects a relationship. i had something real blah happen to me. my love object was going to change my oil so i told him here is my card put some gas and use it to buy oil. and he had the nerve to buy some other stuff with it so yea i was checkin my balance and found some interesting purchases that made me super short. i keep track of my spendin so i dont bounce checks or overspend. and i wouldnt have made such a big mistake. he was there when i called the bank and found that i was short and acted like nothing. ugh what a jerk. but i found out that those purchases were made where he lives. now how shady and ghetto is that and he tells me that oh i was going to tell u. wtf. so i havent decided what to do about this of course get my money back duh but about the whole trust thing. i cant trust him anymore and it affected our relationship a great deal. he is going to pick me up at 4pm and i have class at 530 for an hr so please how should i use this to get an A in the debate and what should i do about the jerk? i hope that i didnt bore anyone i am sure people want to hear some drama once and a while lol take care everyone and are there any cool parties tonight? xoxox mystified __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69859-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 19:40:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86118 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 19:39:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 86072 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 19:39:58 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Magick" To: "DAVE" Cc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:49:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: RE: [sfraves] *BSP* TVP Presents a free party.. JIHAD July 27(tonight) See ya there, sounds like it will be a cool party Magic -----Original Message----- From: DAVE [mailto:dabzone@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:17 PM To: Frequency-8@squinky.org; sacraves@hyperreal.org; sfraves@hyperreal.org; djd-list@dj-d.com Subject: [sfraves] *BSP* TVP Presents a free party.. JIHAD July 27(tonight) Tunnel-Vizions Presents... JIHAD The Battle Begins... Come witness the battle between good and evil as we step into a night defined by solid breaks hardcore scratching and music that will move your soul. Let us take control and bring you a higher level of enlightenment as the dance floor war begins.. HADES(Jungle/Breaks) Expel Vs Digital (1200 Vandals) Classic (Gravity Point Productions) Essence Vs Jist Shinobi Vs Judah (Break Yourself Peoductions) Spinner Vs Animate (Liquid Mercury/ Break Yourself Productions) ELYSIUM(Trance/Hardhouse) Alias Kid Wicked Aka Quest Jinx Payam Stamatis This party was originally going to be a 15 $ party but due to city interference we will be accepting donations at the door... NO ONE WILL BE DENIED DUE TO LACK OF FUNDS....This is also going to be a birthday celebration for Ashlee a member of Tunnel Vizion.. Remember this is a party between good and evil so dress accordingly and have fun! The Party kicks off @ 8PM (eastbay location) and will go strong into the night.....Call the info line around 7PM tonight for directions.. HOPE 2 SEE YOU THERE. =] INFO LINE: (925) 806-8810 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69860-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 19:49:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96244 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 19:49:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 96215 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 19:49:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.114.51.165] From: "scooter ." To: drkstar927@hotmail.com, apollo@speakeasy.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:48:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 19:48:31.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CE96EF0:01C116D5] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apollo leaving the list... Guess I must have missed Apollo's good bye to everybody. I must say I too read ALL of his posts when I see them. He really is one of the most well thought and eliquent writers on SF raves. I hope he reconsiders his decision because he would truly be missed. Where will all the "young-ones" and "newbies" (werent we all newbies at some point?) learn from. Geez I mean Apollo should have like a throne at every party so we can sit around him and listen to his wisdom hehehe. >From: "Audra Olazabal" >To: apollo@speakeasy.org, sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] Apollo leaving the list... >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:46:24 -0700 > >apollo, > >so i agree with everything you wrote in your post -- specifically regarding >the commercialism and the crew manipulations and how great it would be to >be >able to share and communicate the real essence of raving to the majority >group that sadly doesn't know what that is -- but there's one thing that i >feel compelled to express... > >You are one of the few people that actually provides that humbleness and >depth of thought...one who grasps the scene very clearly and tries to share >that with others...and as much as it may not seem like you're having the >sort of effect that you would like...believe me when i say it has an >impact... > >To tell you the truth, of all the people on SFR and all the posts i read >(much of it i don't read though, for the reasons you listed in your >post)yours are the ones that i value the most. I've talked with other >SFRers >about your posts and how much i agree with them and tend to learn from >them, >and they feel the same way... > >So i would say that by losing you we're one step closer to losing sight of >what it is that *some* of us fight so hard for...the people on this list >can >use your wisdom and probably do take it in...it reminds us of that which we >forget and quote unquote 'brings us back to our roots'... > >You deciding such a thing i'm sure has come with these thoughts considered, >and it's not my place to try to convince you to stay...but i feel it would >be remiss not to tell you that i, at least, will be sad to see you go... > >*and i still haven't even met you* ;( > >well...that's enough from me...thanks for the words of wisdom, oh yoda of >the raving world...hopefully i'll see you around somewhere, sometime, in >the >not too distant future... > >*audra* > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69861-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 19:50:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98601 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 19:50:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98589 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 19:50:08 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:49:44 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010727182738.13758.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] neil diamond is on tour !!! nrr > he's a famous > singer/entertainer, and lots of people all around the > world love that man... Writer of these deathless lyrics: "I AM, I said To no one there And no one heard my words at all Not even the chair..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69862-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 19:53:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5934 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 19:53:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 5920 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 19:53:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727195319.90393.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ Teks To: PimpStress , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: <20010727193341.75965.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] NO DRAMA SHIRT?! Re: [sfraves] what would u do? please help guidence needed Speaking of Drama... anyone know where to get this black shirt with a red circle and line through it with "Drama" in the background?! Also, theres a shirt with a yellow roadsign that saids "keep it underground" anyone know the store to get this at or even t-shirt designers to go to? thanks, Teks --- PimpStress wrote: > I am writing a debate for one of my classes and need > some help. i know all u out there have some great > minds so i need some advice. we were having a > discussion about trust in relationships and the pros > and cons of them. someone brought up the topic of > trust and how it affects a relationship. i had > something real blah happen to me. my love object was > going to change my oil so i told him here is my card > put some gas and use it to buy oil. and he had the > nerve to buy some other stuff with it so yea i was > checkin my balance and found some interesting > purchases that made me super short. i keep track of > my > spendin so i dont bounce checks or overspend. and i > wouldnt have made such a big mistake. he was there > when i called the bank and found that i was short > and > acted like nothing. ugh what a jerk. but i found out > that those purchases were made where he lives. now > how > shady and ghetto is that and he tells me that oh i > was > going to tell u. wtf. so i havent decided what to do > about this of course get my money back duh but about > the whole trust thing. i cant trust him anymore and > it > affected our relationship a great deal. he is going > to > pick me up at 4pm and i have class at 530 for an hr > so please how should i use this to get an A in the > debate and what should i do about the jerk? > > i hope that i didnt bore anyone i am sure people > want > to hear some drama once and a while > lol > take care everyone and are there any cool parties > tonight? > xoxox > mystified > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69863-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 19:59:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13202 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 19:59:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 13187 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 19:59:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.174.129.171] From: "A G" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:58:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 19:58:40.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[88271680:01C116D6] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Trees N Beats Camping Festival 2001 Update Trees N Beats Camping Festival 2001 …Greetings TNB folks… The second annual Trees N Beats festival is only three weeks away! When: August 17-19th, 2001 Where: A beautiful, private resort located in Mendocino County check out our new flier at http://www.treesnbeats.com ..Just Added... Live PA: Onyx Ashanti (Prototype BeatJazz Sessions, Intense Audio), SF Onyx has been spotted playing for free in front of the SF Virgin Megstore, ripping it up with his fusion of electronic beats and sounds. He has also been a featured guest at the monthly SF Aranji parties as well as for the Funky Tekno Tribe. As with all of our guests... NOT to be missed! Kulingtang Dance Theatre (Traditional Music + Dance of the Philippines) The Kulingtang Dance Theatre will feature a bronze gong + drumming ensemble - a tradition dating back to the 3rd Century. They will be our featured guests on Friday evening - an experience that will warm all of our souls. DJs and Live PAs: Nikola (Soundworks, Housewares, Soulfood Recordings), SF Mike "Agent X" Clark, (Planet E, beatdownsounds.com) Detroit Alonso (audio abuse, independent music) SJ Arturo Garces (funkyteknotribe, independent music, audio abuse), SJ EBE (solid traxx, soma, plastic city), SJ The Rhythmist (Audio Abuse, Resource Records), SJ Dhyan Moller (Drone Music), SC moodyEVA (goodbeats, AM Crew), Oakland Paul Leath (el otro mundo, resource records), SJ Chris Leath (el otro mundo), SJ Russell Vargas (release, spundae), SF Christian Clark (siesta), SF DJ CK (trees n beats, ten four, goodbeats), SF Podge (trees n beats, hodgepodge productions), SJ Receiver (release.community, ecotopia recordings), Humboldt Cty DJ Touch (release.community, ecotopia recordings), Humboldt Cty Polar Bear, SJ Twilite (el otro mundo), SJ Tickets are on sale now at the following locations: Solid Grooves - San Jose (408) 248-6399 Primal Records - Berkeley (510) 548-8511 Housewares - San Francisco (415) 252-1440 Release Community - Arcata (707) 822-6150 Tix are only $50 for the entire weekend and come with a free mix CD, featuring some of the performing DJs. Your purchase directly benefits Trees N Beats and ensures this will be another unforgettable experience. Limited Capacity - Purchase tickets as early as possible Group rates (10 or more) available for $40 if you purchase directly from us at Trees N Beats (contact information below) DJs, firedancers, live PAs, instrumental bands, henna tatoo artists, massage tables and more! **************************************************** More about Trees N Beats: We will be gathering at a beautiful private resort in Mendocino County (about 3 hours north of San Francisco) to celebrate the joys of life and the community we have created for each other. There will be a variety of dj's, musicians, dancers, performers and artists to be enjoyed by all. All proceeds directly benefit the performers and future Trees N Beats festivals! **************************************************** If you would like to send a money order, you can contact us at: (888) 465-7314, or email us at info@treesnbeats.com For updated information, please visit our website: www.treesnbeats.com spread the word [[the vibe is alive]] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69864-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:04:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22220 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:04:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 22209 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:04:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:03:44 -0700 From: Damon Amyx To: innocentchild Cc: dregaron@yahoo.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <3B61C920.7040507@amyces.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 References: X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] That N'Sync Parody > Being the drunk dumbass I started telling him > that he should play some super cheese foo foo. He's mixing on cd decks > and has me dig through his case of cd's. I'm not a dj and I guess he > seemed to think I was, but man when I handed him a bunch of 94.9 type > foo foo dance he was totally into them. Started playing all of it too. I > left after that and went next door. Haha, that's hilarious. You, some essentially random (inebriated) dude from the other side of a country, walks up to the DJ, defines his track selection for the next while, and then immediately vacates the premise as the dancefloor suffers the fate that you spelled out. Kinda reminds me of planting a bomb and then running like hell before it explodes, except a whole lot cheesier. Damon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69865-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:08:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25356 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:08:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 25327 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:08:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727200756.81614.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Presser To: blucky99_ca@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP - The Last Days of Summer - Back at Organic, Aug. 11th Hey Everyone, So I've ultimately come to the conclusion that ALL of life's answers are found in the movie "Karate Kid". All you need to do is find an old, Asian man who's the custodian of a run-down apt. complex and knows how to grow bonsai trees. BUUUUUUT, the catch is, he also has to be a master of a secret style of karate. You know, one where you can stand on one leg and kick the s**t out of everybody... You didn't think it would be THAT easy, did you??? So I settled for an old, woman drunk that lives in the alley of my apt. complex, who every once in awhile will give me a nip from her vodka bottle and tells me, "Life's a trip, so drink it up!". HEY! So the last days of summer are fast approaching so I guess it's about time to make them memorable ones... cause you'll NEVER get them back again. Which means we're back at Organic once again to help jack things up and put you on your way, only this time we're a little bit bigger (READ: BIGGER ROOM) and A LOT BADDER than before. We've got two rooms at Hotel Ibiza this time, a huge suite and another room next door, rooms 208 & 209, so this means we'll be able to squeeze in more people we don't know to party with. Plus, as always, you have the WHOLE hotel complex as your playground. For more info. on Hotel Ibiza, check out their site at: http://www.hotelibiza.com For details on Organic, check out Funky Tekno Tribe's site at: http://www.funkyteknotribe.com Our DJs taking control of your bodies that night are: DJ Rob Zendejas DJ Jasan St. Blaise NRG Crisis They're putting together some MAJOR, kick ass party mixes that'll make you bump and grind ALL NIGHT LONG!... Uhhhhh, anybody need a dance partner??? The guys are also giving away a compilation of their mixes and believe me, these CDs are worth fighting for. F'n Rob still hasn't given me mine yet. Aren't you glad I kept this one short and sweet? But I'll be coming back to haunt you in about another week or so with more details, so until then, get that "Block email address" button handy. :) Ciao raggazi! Have an AWESOME weekend!!! Rick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69866-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:08:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26463 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:08:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26432 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:08:33 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:06:49 -0700 From: Maytag To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Tony and Garth this weekend @ Sno-Drift (BSP) This weekend at Sno-Drift: Friday, July 27th: TONY (Tango Recordings, SF) Sean Ferguson (Sub Zero, SF) Shane (SF) Saturday, July 28th: GARTH (Wicked, SF) Sean Ferguson (Sub Zero, SF) Sno-Drift 1830 3rd Street (@ 16th) (415) 431-4766 21+ $15 10:30pm-4:30am Upcoming August Lineups: Tight Fridays: August 3: Lemon Lyman (Love Thang, OH)+ DJ Seven (Tight, SF) August 10: DJ Courtney (Champion Sound, MA) + Sean Ferguson (Tsavo, SF) August 17: Rasoul (Naked, SF) +O'keef (Circle, PA) August 24: Gene Farris (Farris Wheel, Chi) + Sean Ferguson (Tsavo, SF) August 31: Kelvin K (Moulton Studios, SF) + Layne Fox (Imperial Dub, SF) DJ Seven and Sol play hip hop and downtempo in the front room SubZero Saturdays: Resident: Sean Ferguson (Tsavo Events) Rotating Front Room DJs: DJ Seven / Layne Fox / Mary Watts August 4: Tyler Stadius (Nordic Trax, Vancouver) August 11: Mark Farina (Om Records, SF) + Daeman (Champion Sound, SD) August 18: Kevin Yost (Guidance, PA) August 25: Mauricio (Naked, SF) And coming in September: Jeno MJ Cole Colette David Alvarado Miguel Migs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69867-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:10:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30584 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:10:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 30574 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:10:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.175.32.86] From: "Brian - THUMP Radio" To: ekis4d@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:09:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 20:09:29.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AD0D610:01C116D8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] thumpthumpthump hold on to yer beaver...uh...i mean horses, for now. :) we're workin' on it. peace, -brian >From: "jason" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] thumpthumpthump >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:07:01 -0400 > >a short while ago someone suggested that thump radio help itself out of its >financial difficulties by selling cds of its archived shows... the thumper >(sorry, i've deleted the post and can't be more specific) who responded >seemed very enthusiastic about the idea. i was curious if anyone could tell >me whether anything is likely to come of this? i would absolutely be >willing >to support thump by buying cds... in fact, i am more than willing, i am >eager. what's an eager beaver to do? > >j > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69868-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:11:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32177 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:11:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32158 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:11:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:12:07 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <008401c116d8$694d86c0$8f78ce3f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C1169D.BC9A9B50" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ALL ONE TICKET FOR SALE ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C1169D.BC9A9B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, as seeing this looked like a focking gr8 azz party turn into = another area 51, ive deciding im not sur eif im going, being under 18 i = cant goto the club m,atric west venue part, and the ugin oakland is one = i know of and its all nrg which i cant stand for the whole night and i = cant make it to the 3 room venue tomorrow night so im deciding on = selling my ticket, ill give it to you for 15 bux and call me on my cell = if your interested, 408-394-3890. I dont have a car so you would have = to come pick it up, really sorry for the inconvinience. Justin ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C1169D.BC9A9B50-- From sfraves-return-69869-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:21:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47022 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:21:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 47006 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:21:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:19:16 -0700 From: w00dy To: Sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: <009a01c116d9$69076090$8f78ce3f@justin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01C1169E.BC823BE0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ALL ONE TICKET FOR SALE ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C1169E.BC823BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, as seeing this looked like a focking gr8 azz party turn into = another area 51, ive deciding im not sur eif im going, being under 18 i = cant goto the club m,atric west venue part, and the ugin oakland is one = i know of and its all nrg which i cant stand for the whole night and i = cant make it to the 3 room venue tomorrow night so im deciding on = selling my ticket, ill give it to you for 15 bux and call me on my cell = if your interested, 408-394-3890. I dont have a car so you would have = to come pick it up, really sorry for the inconvinience. Justin ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C1169E.BC823BE0-- From sfraves-return-69870-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:37:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68333 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:37:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 68277 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:37:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727203711.53287.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Byers To: Audra Olazabal Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apollo leaving the list... You can't leave Apollo!!!!!! I haven't even met you yet and enjoy every post you put up. Your House Music 101 is f'ing brilliant and I have kept every single one of them. You can't let some of these people on this list discourage you....THEY JUST DON'T GET IT!!! The "rave culture"....if that's what you want to call it...is a way of life! Not just something you attend on the weekends. You have to eat, sleep, and shit the culture. Maybe they just don't understand the whole P L U R thing...which is a load of crap now a days. People calling themselves "old skool" when they have only been partying a few years. OLD SKOOL is (in my eyes) 92' when this shit started! IN ALL.....PLEASE DON'T LEAVE! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69871-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:40:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73526 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:40:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 73516 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:40:27 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.81.243.127] From: "Solmatic Records" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:39:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 20:39:38.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[410F9140:01C116DC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Touching a life To be able to touch someones life through muzik is the best feeling a dj could ever have . I feel lucky every time I play, no matter what size the crowd, a dj should always play their heart out. I just felt like shouting that out 8) Joey Mazzola - _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69872-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:48:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83909 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:48:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83890 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:48:06 -0000 Message-ID: <00c001c116dd$71d0d720$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: References: <009a01c116d9$69076090$8f78ce3f@justin> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:48:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] ALL ONE TICKET FOR SALE Okay here is the line up for All One @ club matrix.. Room 1 Aaron Lewis Keith Edwards Allen Octavo Jim Hopkins Kevin Kind Eric Michael Richard Summerhays Melanie Jesse Gonzalez Room 2 Morgan Valerie Sparks Dj Pat +more Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "w00dy" To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: [sfraves] ALL ONE TICKET FOR SALE Well, as seeing this looked like a focking gr8 azz party turn into another area 51, ive deciding im not sur eif im going, being under 18 i cant goto the club m,atric west venue part, and the ugin oakland is one i know of and its all nrg which i cant stand for the whole night and i cant make it to the 3 room venue tomorrow night so im deciding on selling my ticket, ill give it to you for 15 bux and call me on my cell if your interested, 408-394-3890. I dont have a car so you would have to come pick it up, really sorry for the inconvinience. Justin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69873-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:48:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85371 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:48:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 85361 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:48:55 -0000 Message-ID: <00cd01c116dd$8eb1b940$280110ac@nick> From: "Ecko" To: "sf" Cc: "f8" Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:48:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C116A2.E2480BD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] ALL ONE LINE UP UPDATE ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C116A2.E2480BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay here is the line up for All One @ club matrix.. Room 1 Aaron Lewis Keith Edwards Allen Octavo Jim Hopkins Kevin Kind Eric Michael Richard Summerhays Melanie Jesse Gonzalez Room 2 Morgan Valerie Sparks Dj Pat +more Nick http://www.core-nrg.net http://www.unityvibetribe.com ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C116A2.E2480BD0-- From sfraves-return-69874-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 20:58:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94850 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 20:58:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 94836 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 20:58:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:58:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Charlie To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] BSP: Great America Raver Day (September 23rd) Great America Raver Day - Sunday, September 23rd, 2001 Meeting Times: 12Noon (Front Gate after you enter the park) 2nd Meeting time: 4:20pm Splat City (Nickelodeon Area) This is a notice for you all letting you know that we're scheduling Raver Day on the 32rd of septeber. It's not going to be on August 12th as we had planned.. Here's the story... We tryed to aim for August 12th because that was a good timespot. Especially after Tektite's Sunprotect party coming up, it'd be a great kicker for a weekend. We had our original date for Great America Raver day on July 1st. Then without notice.. I believe it was Brainchild.. or someone decided it'd be cool to throw a Raver day with only one BSP and hardly any notice the day before (June 30th). They advertised it to the 13-16 year old crowd I believe. Well when that night came, there was a very small attendance.. but a very big drug problem. The people that did show were fairly irresponsible just like the group that handled it, so after that time, Great America decided not to throw anymore parties like that. In return.. we were denied to have any sound inside the park and electronic entertainment for fear that a reoccurance will happen. Whoever threw the wanna-be-raverday on the 30th ruined the plans that we had for a great event. Anyways, we did get assurance that over the course to the next year, we will be working with Great America to ensure that we can have an event with music like we had originally planned...unfortunately it will be next year. Until then, we plan to still have another get-together kickass event at Great America. We need to show them how responsible we really are and show our support for an event to enjoy not only the rides, but the music as well. Anyways, I will be putting a link on my site, and ask Kenneth to do the same so there is ready information for you whenever you need it. Check at www.ravepictures.net and www.phatcow.org. If you have any questions go ahead and ask either me or Kenneth. We'll help you out the best we can. (Ifyou want to respond to me .. DON'T HIT RESPOND!.. email charlie@safeamil.com) - Kenneth kgb@dreamscape.org http://www.phatcow.org - Charlie charlie@safemail.com http://www.ravepictures.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69875-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 21:06:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1697 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 21:06:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1685 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 21:06:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:04:16 -0700 From: GROUNDSCORE X-Sender: dMarie@mail.groundscore.net To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Dko9oZ5H10VkyPnQG4CyIA)" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Felix the Dog Ministry of Sound/KISS FM tonight. --Boundary_(ID_Dko9oZ5H10VkyPnQG4CyIA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Felix the Dog has been on his European tour for a week now. The Berlin Love Parade session went very successsfully, thanks to Dangerous Drums, Corin, Hyper and Meat Katie. Felix the Dog has visited his family and is now in London to give everyone a dose of The Dog. Tonight in London Town, FTD is playing on KISS FM (4-6m PST / 12-2am GMT). Then he is off to headline the Ministry of Sound with Danny McMiIllian (representing for In-Flight Ent., UK and Groundscore SF) He'll be on Ignite Radio, he's playing Chew the Fat with Lee Coombs, PM Scientists and more! Click to view his DJ itinerary, he will be in London until mid-August. http://www.groundscore.net/felixthedog/ He can be contacted while traveling by hittin' up ftdinuk@yahoo.com Call our office for more specific contact info. Thank you for your time. dMarie --Boundary_(ID_Dko9oZ5H10VkyPnQG4CyIA)-- From sfraves-return-69876-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 21:08:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4790 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 21:07:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 4746 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 21:07:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:05:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Bice To: SF Raves List cc: djd-list , frequency-8 , ravenproductions list , lravelist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] www.phatcow.org information okay check it out phatcow's server is being moved to a sweet data center right now, soon it will be hosted on a great backbone and all the down time it has been having will be over. A few new things will be added to phatcow upon its return: a new navigation bar, some more djs, the streaming on the site will be functional & new mixes will be posted along with some tracks myself and a couple other folks have written. And last but not least i will have the form fixed for the mailing list. just a little note about the mailing list its not like sfraves or anything you cannot post to it, mail will only be sent to you concerning phatcow and phatcow related news. sorry about all the down time the site has been having it is almost over. ill post when the site is funksional again. lots of new stuf in store pretty soon! laterz, kenneth... .....pssst..... ..................pst.... .......psssssst........hey..... ..hey........pssst......... .......y0..........psssst....... ___ ___ _____ __ / \ / \ | |\ /| | | | / \ | | | | | \ / | | | / | | _ | | | | | | | | |/\ / | | | | | | | | | | \ \___/ \___/ | | | | |____ | \ | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69877-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 21:08:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6314 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 21:08:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6301 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 21:08:25 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [208.232.78.218] From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" To: djstevian@yahoo.com, drkstar927@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:07:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 21:07:34.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[284D6250:01C116E0] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apollo leaving the list... though it's neither my place nor my intention to speak for Apollo--who is more that capable of speaking for himself--it should be noted that what Apollo actually said in his message of last night was: "For the first time since I signed on the list again I have seriously thought about leaving it...All I really want is to show lots of people new to the scene what raving can really be. If sfraves is no longer the place to do that, well, I'll move on." "thought about," not "am leaving." and hopefully, won't. but the reports of Apollo's departure are, thankfully, exaggerated. --hb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69878-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 21:16:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12193 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 21:16:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 12170 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 21:16:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3B61DAB7.5BA751EE@home.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:18:50 -0700 From: "(_lydia_W_)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Audra Olazabal CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] I'm alive too... barely (Ascension review) Last night was amazing and I really needed a party like that to lift my doubts about why I was involved in this scene in the first place. I got there early to help set up and was amazed that we got everything up in time especially considering there were about twice as many decoration as there usually was. The place looked great and slowly people started coming in. I liked the 2 x 4 with Alkaline and Tirell as well.. can we say funky? I had to do a double check when max was on the mike saying "I like redbull" or something random like that though.... And the place was all pumped up by the time Jeno got on who of course amazed all of us with his beautiful track selection and mixing skills. And most importantly there were lots of friends and great people all getting down together. I'm sorry that Ryan, Nicola, and Sarah couldn't make it:( You were all missed and I had a ton of people come up to me asking where Ryan was and saying it was weird without him there. I'm not even going to attempt to give shoutouts because there were so many people there, but it was good to see you all and nice to meet some more sfravers:) Hopefully I'll see some of you next weekend at the FnF campout! .:Lydia:. P.S. Damnit I missed the song! I'm regretting leaving 45 min. early now! Audra Olazabal wrote: > Catt, i agree with you whole heartedly...somehow i'm here at work...although > i've yet to actually do any work...but that's besides the point...last night > rocked. It may very well have been my favorite ascension yet. > > the decorations were awesome -- as well they should be after all the time we > spent putting them up, the place was packed (is it just me though, that > thinks it somehow didn't get as hot down there as normally?), and there were > great friends abounding... > > To start i've got to say that i absolutely LOVE max (alkaline) and chris > (tirrell)...they are slowly becoming my favorite DJs...i think it has > something to do with their stage presence...and the awesomely funky tracks > they lay down...and in a 2x4 they worked really well together... > > I'd never heard Jeno before and have got to say i'm impressed...the guy's > dope and i can see how he get such a big following...that funky track by > marvin gaye -- how COOL was that? but on to tidbit stories of the night... > > 1. so katie (the cute little redhead in the schoolgirl outfit with the > glowing orange bag) and i ended up in the bathroom together and she tells me > that she wants to sew rhinestones onto a pink 'sleeping eye cover thing' but > that she can't think of what to write...and i say 'groove kitty' and then > she hugged me and starts like jumping up and down with excitement -- who > knew eye covers could be so exhilirating? > > 2. then there was the end of the night (at which point i was exhausted), but > as the music turns off and dave does his little 'thanks for coming out' > speech on the mic, he starts singing 'lean on me'...and then EVERYONE starts > singing lean on me and they're clapping and swaying and all i can do is > stand there DUMBFOUNDED at what was happening...so i had been taking down > lights behind the DJ table when this started...and i look over to Jeno, and > he looks at me kinda funny and all i could say was "i bet you've never seen > this before" and he just cracked up...it was beautiful... > > 3. and then there were karma-catt and jon (fuckwork)...who were both MIGHTY > plastered...at the end, they stood there, holding each other up (which > didn't work very well) and jon started getting reminiscent about the fact > that we've known each other since 7th grade and how i used to mark him > present when he'd cut school after lunch and how i'd get him in trouble in > history class for yelling '4 minutes' and catt just kept swaying and saying > 'isn't she sweet?, that's so sweet of her, she's cool'....it was anarchy... > > So anyway...long post...i'm rambling. But it was great to see so many of you > out and about last night...good times, good times... > > *audra* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69879-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 22:06:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62805 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 22:06:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 62795 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 22:06:42 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [152.163.207.179] From: "jasen chavez" To: staff@technorepublic.net, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:05:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 22:05:49.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B5E4EA0:01C116E8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] BSP >> LOOSE CABOOSE Tonight! @ ~Waves~ << This should be a fun one for house lovers, we got some new beats we all whipped up. Cheers, jasenC >From: "TechnoRepublic Staff" >To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: [sfraves] BSP >> LOOSE CABOOSE Tonight! @ ~Waves~ << >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:17:12 GMT > >:::::: GET FUNkeh IN OUR HOUSE :::::: > >@ The Historic Waves Smokehouse & Saloon >65 Post St, Downtown SJ >(BBQ Dinner Served Nightly/Happy Hr. 4:30 - 7PM M-F all drafts $2.75) > >~ $2 ~ loose house spun tight till 2AM - 21+ > >street level |RON REESER : JORDAN JOVES : BRIAN THOMAS : LUDRCRIS : JASENC| > >upstairs |O'HENRY : DILEMA FUNK DOC : CHRIS & CHRIS| > >beautiful 100yr old bar w/ 24 BEERs on tap <> visual stimuli <> casual >sorroundings <> plenty of room to shake your caboose <> open-air lounge >upstairs > >Directions: Take 680/280 towards Downtown San Jose. Take 87 Gueadalupe >Expressway North. take the Santa Clara Street exit. Turn Right on Santa >Clara Street until you get to Market St. Turn right on Market St. & then >make an immediate left on Post St. You will see WAVES on the corner. >40/885-WAVE > >+ STARTING AUG 10 > Every 2nd Friday of the Month oOTechnorepublic.netOo >brings Tech/Deep/Funky house music to the South Bay with sublime guest DJs >each rotation > >LOG-ON to www.technorepublic.net for updates and audio on these events and >others including MekkaSF. Also, listen to a live mix by David Garcia >(Solmatic Records) @ the WMC 2001: Ultra Beach Festival 3 while searching >the newly updated NEWS section. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69880-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 22:20:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76518 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 22:20:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 76494 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 22:20:40 -0000 From: ClockworkEventz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:19:38 EDT To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, sacraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f2.d60e425.289342fa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MEKKA SF- presented by CLOCKWORK & SPUNDAE LABOR DAY WEEKEND SEPT 1 --part1_f2.d60e425.289342fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clockwork Eventz & Spundae Productions present MEKKA MUSIC FESTIVAL SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 1, 2001 LABOR DAY WEEKEND!!! 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This event is 18+ Info Lines: 408-794-0131 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0415-721-4713 =A0=A0=A0=A0510-273-9317 =A0=A0=A0 310-335-0303 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0916-930-1170 Contributors, Vendors, Promotions, Art, Dance or Theatrics call- 408-535-8924 Updates, Venue info, and etc. log onto ClockworkEventz.com =A0* Spundae.com * =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Mekkatour.com --part1_f2.d60e425.289342fa_boundary-- From sfraves-return-69881-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 22:21:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78117 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 22:21:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78107 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 22:21:04 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:20:31 -0700 From: vix To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] real audio help grrr... does anybody here know why when I right-click (Save Target As) on a real audio link I get the ".ram" file?? It only happens on one of of the computers I use, which is running Win98 4.10.2222A if that matters. Macs and all the other other pcs I use save the same files as ".rm", which is what I need. What can I change to make it save the .rm files and not the .ram?? Streambox needs, uh, I mean I need .rm files. Any kind help is MUCH appreciated... this is getting me hyper cranky. "For educational purposes only," vix --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69882-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 22:21:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78991 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 22:21:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 78971 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 22:21:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:12:49 -0700 From: xs To: SF Raves Message-ID: <20010727151249.A18423@undef.net> Mail-Followup-To: SF Raves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] nrr: phoenix theater hey all, anyone know the addy for the phoenix theater? theres a show there tonight that i really want to catch, but i can't find ANY information ANYWHERE on the web about the place. i know it's in petaluma, thats about it. -xs -- DJ++ (dj++@restlessradio.com) * http://www.restlessradio.com Restless Radio - Live Electronic Music, Shows and Events 24/7/365.4 DJs WANTED! EMAIL: spin@restlessradio.com "Buy the Ticket, Take the Ride." -Dr. H.S.T --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69883-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 22:39:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87849 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 22:39:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 87839 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 22:39:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727223904.81408.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:39:04 -0700 (PDT) From: MaJikMiSsTreSs To: xs , SF Raves In-Reply-To: <20010727151249.A18423@undef.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr: phoenix theater its 501 washington...pretty sure anyway..i remember searching for the adress myself..majik __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69884-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 22:49:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95084 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 22:49:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 95073 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 22:49:37 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [209.179.252.183] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:48:32 -0700 From: hakthedj To: suffer Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3079093712_527563_MIME_Part" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 22:48:42.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[48A86EB0:01C116EE] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] wanna smoke some illy? --MS_Mac_OE_3079093712_527563_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Embalmed Cigarettes Gain Popularity By JOANN LOVIGLIO, Associated Press Writer PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Embalming fluid is becoming an increasingly popular drug for users looking for a new and different high - one that often comes with violent and psychotic side effects. Users - mainly teen-agers and people in their 20s - are buying tobacco or marijuana cigarettes that have been soaked in the fluid, then dried. They cost about $20 apiece and are called by nearly a dozen names nationwide, including ``wet,'' ``fry'' and ``illy.'' ``The idea of embalming fluid appeals to people's morbid curiosity about death,'' said Dr. Julie Holland of New York University School of Medicine. ``There's a certain gothic appeal to it.'' Formaldehyde can be bought in drug stores and beauty supply stores. (It is an ingredient in nail care products). It is also available in many school science labs. In addition, there have been reports of embalming fluid thefts from funeral homes in Louisiana and New York. Although there are no national statistics on usage, many drug experts say it appears to have spread from the inner cities to well-to-do suburban neighborhoods and college campuses. ``Whether they live in a million-dollar house or a $5,000 house, kids who are smoking pot or crack and are looking for a different type of high are turning to wet,'' said Julie Kirlin, a juvenile probation officer in Reading, about 50 miles from Philadelphia. Embalming fluid is a compound of formaldehyde, methanol, ethanol and other solvents. The high depends on what the user is really getting: Often the drug PCP is mixed in. In fact, PCP has gone by the street name ``embalming fluid'' since the 1970s. Twenty Houston-area users interviewed for a 1998 study by the Texas Commission on Drug Abuse said the effects include visual and auditory hallucinations, euphoria, a feeling of invincibility, increased pain tolerance, anger, forgetfulness and paranoia. Stranger symptoms reported include an overwhelming desire to disrobe and a strong distaste for meat. Other symptoms may include coma, seizures, kidney failure and stroke. The high lasts from six hours to three days. ``Fry users are described like those who do a lot of inhalants - they're just spaced-out, dissociative,'' said Jane Maxwell of the National Institute on Drug Abuse's Community Epidemiology Work Group. When they've taken PCP, ``they come into the emergency room and are just wild. They have to be strapped down in their beds or they destroy the room.'' In the Philadelphia suburb of Doylestown, a 14-year-old boy fatally stabbed a 33-year-old neighbor more than 70 times last year after smoking wet. The boy, who said he took wet to quiet the voices in his head, is serving a seven-year sentence. ``This is a violent drug, and it will turn into a big fire if it's not watched very closely,'' Kirlin said. - On the Net: Texas study: http://www.tcada.state.tx.us/research/fry.html -- homer : son, do you need any advice from your dad? bart : nope. i've learned to substitute father figures from wherever i need them; construction workers, the internet.......... --MS_Mac_OE_3079093712_527563_MIME_Part-- From sfraves-return-69885-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 22:52:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97159 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 22:52:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97147 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 22:52:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mike noble X-Sender: mnoble@Xenon.Stanford.EDU To: MaJikMiSsTreSs cc: xs , SF Raves In-Reply-To: <20010727223904.81408.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr: phoenix theater 201 washington st. On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, MaJikMiSsTreSs wrote: > its 501 washington...pretty sure anyway..i remember > searching for the adress myself..majik > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > .............................................................................. Mike Noble | catch22@cs.stanford.edu | Thinking has been known to cause Palo Alto, CA, USA | severe pain in the heads of the cell phone: 650.776.eyor | close-minded. ..................................|........................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69886-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 22:52:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98376 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 22:52:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 98341 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 22:52:27 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:52:50 -0800 From: MODA To: , sfraves Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c11755$cad37800$8dc7fea9@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] your first DJ'ing gig My first gig was in 1985 at a UG in St. Helena. It was hosted by a couple o= f 7th Day Adventist students from Vancouver, who were going to school at the college in St. Helena. The event lasted 3 hours and it was packed (about 200 peeps in a community center), before the campus police showed up. The two boys who promoted the event were excommunicated from the college and many others were reprimanded= . Turns out the canadians wanted an excuse to leave the school anyway. I had two old technics belt driven turntables and a radio shack mixer....It was great! I wasn't the least bit nervous.... 7th Day Adventists are a trip! When they get drunk, they're beasts! 8) MODA On 7/28/01 3:09 AM, "brynne is mobile" wrote: > Do any of the DJ's on the list remember thier first gig as a DJ? > What was it like? wERE YOU SCARED? Did everyone leave the dance floor? I > guess it must ve been cool enough for you to stick around. >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D T R A N C E F U S I O N M U S I C 1809 Gouldin Road =80 Oakland =80 CA =80 94611 PH. (415) 215-1612 FAX (510) 339-3887 http://www.trancefusion.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69887-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 22:54:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1775 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 22:54:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 1760 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 22:54:46 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:55:13 -0800 From: MODA To: sfraves CC: sacraves , fresnoraves Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3079094113_146685" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Girl Power! Tonight!! (bsp) --B_3079094113_146685 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable We=B9d like to invite those of you who haven=B9t been out to Future yet, to do so. We are excited about this weekly event and have been going strong for 1.5 years now!!!! We=B9ve made some improvements to our main room, in moving the dj booth and creating more space for dancing! Come out and support! Here's what we have going on at Future tonight and fo= r the next few weeks....... Friday, July 27th G I R L P O W E R ! featuring.... K E N D R A F R E N C H D E N I S E aka D J D M E L A N I E D J E L Z ----------------- Friday, August 3rd G I A N N I M O R G A N ----------------- Friday, August 10th T H O M A S T R O U B L E U P H O N I C Coming Soon........ 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J O E L A N Z O N + special guest.... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D F U T U R E 375 First Street & Harrison in SF 18 & Over with valid ID Full-Bar Lounge for 21 and up! 9 pm - 2 am $10 before 10 pm $15 after 10 pm For more info, please call 415.281.0866 or http://www.globalparty.com --B_3079094113_146685-- From sfraves-return-69888-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 22:59:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6142 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 22:59:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 6132 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 22:59:51 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.217.36.130] From: "DJ Proxy" To: "veanne" , References: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:58:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 22:58:55.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6436730:01C116EF] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Re: speaking of which.. Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVEPARTIES hahahahaha! touché. I think you have it all wrong. You see...I was so drunk on Wednesday, I don't think I could have formed a sentence with that many syllables! I'm think that I shouldn't drink that much on Wednesday nights anymore! LOL -proxy killasubz / urban assault http://www.killasubz.com http://www.urbanassault.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "veanne" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: speaking of which.. Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVEPARTIES speaking of sluts.. i heard about your little escapade at the cactus club tonight.. "hi i'm a dj.. wanna fck?" ;) > From: DJ Proxy > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:48:38 -0700 > To: veanne , > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES > > Slut. > > -proxy > > on 7/24/01 12:58 AM, veanne at indochine@earthlink.net wrote: > >> omg! i met this guy at cf friday night who gave me his pacifier and like we >> started making out during drenalin's set and like he told me his name was JC >> and i was like, 'whoah you look like that one dude from NSYNC.." he smiled >> and we like took off behind the rocks and got nekkid to some tekno.. >> >> now it all makes sense..... >> >>>> From: "innocentchild " >>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org >>>> Subject: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES >>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27 +0000 >>>> >>>>> NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES - >>>>> >>>>> July 21, 2001 (San Francisco, CA) - Officials have discovered links >>>>> between the notorious San Francisco underground rave scene and the >>>>> popular Pop group NSync. NSync, a popular 'boy-band' is currently >>>>> touring the nation playing to sold out stadium crowds. >>>>> >>>>> Bay Area officials were tipped off to an all night underground 'rave' >>>>> party taking place on Friday night. This all night 'rave' party, >>>>> rife with drugs and sex, was taking place at a local beach. When >>>>> police arrived to break up the party, two members of NSync were >>>>> detained and arrested for possession of common drug paraphenalia - >>>>> glow sticks and water bottles. The two members of the band, Joshua >>>>> Chasez and Christopher Kirkpatrick (known as JC and Chris in the >>>>> band), were held overnight until released on bail in the morning. >>>>> The band's manager Jonny Wright was contacted but had no comment on >>>>> the incident's of the previous night. NSync were in the Bay Area for >>>>> two sold out concerts at the Network Associates Coliseum in Oakland >>>>> on Saturday and Sunday nights. Several other youths were cited for >>>>> possession of glow sticks, which they were seen throwing up into the >>>>> air at the party. >>>>> >>>>> Police nationwide have been growing more suspicious of links to the >>>>> 'rave' scene with other popular Pop artists - like Britney Spears. >>>>> It's not uncommon to see young teenagers at these large stadium >>>>> concerts sporting the same drug paraphenalia as found at these >>>>> underground raves," said officer John Bates, an Atlanta Police >>>>> Lieutenant. >>>>> >>>>> A 17-year-old Millbrae native, Veronica, was at the all night rave >>>>> party and has tickets to tonight's show at the Coliseum. "The cops >>>>> are just out of it," she said. "NSync and the other boy bands have >>>>> been showing influences from electronic music for years now. I >>>>> almost died when I saw JC at the Cloud Factory party this weekend - >>>>> it was a like dream come true." >>>>> >>>>> The Department of Justice has recently warned city officials across >>>>> the nation to keep a close watch on any type of entertainment which >>>>> may encourage the use of such dangerous items as candy bracelets, >>>>> glow sticks and baby pacifiers. DOJ spokesman Doug Johnson said, >>>>> "These kids are putting their lives in danger every weekend. Parents >>>>> should be concerned when they see their children coming home with >>>>> bottled water or baby pacifiers. These items are starting to show up >>>>> everywhere - we found kids with glow sticks at the last Backstreet >>>>> Boys concert." - : contact - aim : mylai email - swervin@mylai.com homepage : www.mylai.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69889-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 23:04:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9251 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 23:04:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 9238 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 23:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727230419.14211.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tami Iida Reply-To: LiLTaiida22@yahoo.com To: DJ Proxy , veanne , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: speaking of which.. Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVEPARTIES Yeah, Proxy!! I heard about what you did too. and i was sooo faded as well. I couldn't even dance straight. But that night at killa was sooooo fun. Time went by so quickly. that was funny. haha :-P ~~Tami :-) --- DJ Proxy wrote: > hahahahaha! touché. > > I think you have it all wrong. You see...I was so > drunk on Wednesday, I > don't think I could have formed a sentence with that > many syllables! > > I'm think that I shouldn't drink that much on > Wednesday nights anymore! LOL > > -proxy > killasubz / urban assault > > http://www.killasubz.com > http://www.urbanassault.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "veanne" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:54 PM > Subject: speaking of which.. Re: [sfraves] NSYNC > LINKED TO ALL NIGHT > RAVEPARTIES > > > > speaking of sluts.. > i heard about your little escapade at the cactus > club tonight.. > > "hi i'm a dj.. wanna fck?" > > ;) > > > > > From: DJ Proxy > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:48:38 -0700 > > To: veanne , > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT > RAVE PARTIES > > > > Slut. > > > > -proxy > > > > on 7/24/01 12:58 AM, veanne at > indochine@earthlink.net wrote: > > > >> omg! i met this guy at cf friday night who gave > me his pacifier and like > we > >> started making out during drenalin's set and like > he told me his name was > JC > >> and i was like, 'whoah you look like that one > dude from NSYNC.." he > smiled > >> and we like took off behind the rocks and got > nekkid to some tekno.. > >> > >> now it all makes sense..... > >> > >>>> From: "innocentchild " > > >>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > >>>> Subject: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT > RAVE PARTIES > >>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27 +0000 > >>>> > >>>>> NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES - > >>>>> > >>>>> July 21, 2001 (San Francisco, CA) - Officials > have discovered links > >>>>> between the notorious San Francisco > underground rave scene and the > >>>>> popular Pop group NSync. NSync, a popular > 'boy-band' is currently > >>>>> touring the nation playing to sold out stadium > crowds. > >>>>> > >>>>> Bay Area officials were tipped off to an all > night underground 'rave' > >>>>> party taking place on Friday night. This all > night 'rave' party, > >>>>> rife with drugs and sex, was taking place at a > local beach. When > >>>>> police arrived to break up the party, two > members of NSync were > >>>>> detained and arrested for possession of common > drug paraphenalia - > >>>>> glow sticks and water bottles. The two > members of the band, Joshua > >>>>> Chasez and Christopher Kirkpatrick (known as > JC and Chris in the > >>>>> band), were held overnight until released on > bail in the morning. > >>>>> The band's manager Jonny Wright was contacted > but had no comment on > >>>>> the incident's of the previous night. NSync > were in the Bay Area for > >>>>> two sold out concerts at the Network > Associates Coliseum in Oakland > >>>>> on Saturday and Sunday nights. Several other > youths were cited for > >>>>> possession of glow sticks, which they were > seen throwing up into the > >>>>> air at the party. > >>>>> > >>>>> Police nationwide have been growing more > suspicious of links to the > >>>>> 'rave' scene with other popular Pop artists - > like Britney Spears. > >>>>> It's not uncommon to see young teenagers at > these large stadium > >>>>> concerts sporting the same drug paraphenalia > as found at these > >>>>> underground raves," said officer John Bates, > an Atlanta Police > >>>>> Lieutenant. > >>>>> > >>>>> A 17-year-old Millbrae native, Veronica, was > at the all night rave > >>>>> party and has tickets to tonight's show at the > Coliseum. "The cops > >>>>> are just out of it," she said. "NSync and the > other boy bands have > >>>>> been showing influences from electronic music > for years now. I > >>>>> almost died when I saw JC at the Cloud Factory > party this weekend - > >>>>> it was a like dream come true." > >>>>> > >>>>> The Department of Justice has recently warned > city officials across > >>>>> the nation to keep a close watch on any type > of entertainment which > >>>>> may encourage the use of such dangerous items > as candy bracelets, > >>>>> glow sticks and baby pacifiers. DOJ spokesman > Doug Johnson said, > >>>>> "These kids are putting their lives in danger > every weekend. Parents > >>>>> should be concerned when they see their > children coming home with > >>>>> bottled water or baby pacifiers. These items > are starting to show up > >>>>> everywhere - we found kids with glow sticks at > the last Backstreet > >>>>> Boys concert." > > > > - > : contact - > aim : mylai > email - swervin@mylai.com > homepage : www.mylai.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* ~~Tami :-) (408) 821-6012 ___________________________________________________________ Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69890-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 23:07:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11730 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 23:07:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 11718 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 23:07:39 -0000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: Shaman Reply-To: shaman@bluegreen.org Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:06:17 -0700 X-Sender: shaman@bluegreen.org X-Originating-Host: adsl-63-201-80-43.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.43]; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 23:07:08 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr: phoenix theater Well, I don't think that this is neccesarily NRR, because it's the Crystal Method playin tonight!!! Aww yeah! Anyone else going? I'm so there! It's 201 E. Washington St in Petaluma Tix are $20! But they don't throw "raves" there anymore. Only Crystal METHod shows, right? Riiiiiiiiiiight! Baked, Not Fried, Shaman Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:51:38 -0700 (PDT) To: MaJikMiSsTreSs From: mike noble cc: xs , SF Raves Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr: phoenix theater Message-ID: 201 washington st. On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, MaJikMiSsTreSs wrote: > its 501 washington...pretty sure anyway..i remember > searching for the adress myself..majik > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69891-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 23:25:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24813 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 23:25:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 24802 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 23:25:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:16:56 -0700 From: xs To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Message-ID: <20010727161656.C19233@undef.net> Mail-Followup-To: sfraves@hyperreal.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from shaman@bluegreen.org on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:06:17PM -0700 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] TCM! Re: [sfraves] nrr: phoenix theater well, now that the cats out of the bag, a more appropriate question would be: anyone know how to procure tickets for the show? -xs ,----[ On Fri, Jul 27, at 04:06PM, Shaman wrote: ]-------------- | Well, I don't think that this is neccesarily NRR, because it's the | Crystal Method playin tonight!!! Aww yeah! Anyone else going? I'm | so there! | It's 201 E. Washington St in Petaluma | Tix are $20! | But they don't throw "raves" there anymore. Only Crystal METHod shows, | right? Riiiiiiiiiiight! | | Baked, Not Fried, | Shaman | | | Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:51:38 -0700 (PDT) | To: MaJikMiSsTreSs | From: mike noble | cc: xs , SF Raves | Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr: phoenix theater | Message-ID: | | 201 washington st. | | On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, MaJikMiSsTreSs wrote: | | > its 501 washington...pretty sure anyway..i remember | > searching for the adress myself..majik | > | > __________________________________________________ | > Do You Yahoo!? | > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! | Messenger | > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ | > | | | | | | | | | --------------------------------------------------------------------- | To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org | For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org | `----[ End Quote ]--------------------------- -- DJ++ (dj++@restlessradio.com) * http://www.restlessradio.com Restless Radio - Live Electronic Music, Shows and Events 24/7/365.4 DJs WANTED! EMAIL: spin@restlessradio.com "Buy the Ticket, Take the Ride." -Dr. H.S.T --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69892-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 23:35:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32730 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 23:35:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 32718 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 23:35:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.221.69.82] From: "LAGISTRATE" To: , "DJ Proxy" , "veanne" , References: <20010727230419.14211.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:44:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 23:34:48.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[B97999B0:01C116F4] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: speaking of which.. Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVEPARTIES Tami stagering down 1st street talking to strangers and trying to give them all hugz was just the funniest thing ive seen at killa subs since well... yah when i took my friend adam and he was trying to pick up on lesbians because he thinks there repressed (I havnt taken him again) but jeezus that poor flower lady she was just the right hight for huggin. Dancin for SMILES =) Cliff PS oh and we cant forget about Peechy bringing the lazy ass cops to help the homeless guy. I sware they didnt want to get out there fuckin car. GRRRRRRR protect and serv my ass. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Iida" To: "DJ Proxy" ; "veanne" ; Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: speaking of which.. Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVEPARTIES > Yeah, Proxy!! I heard about what you did too. and i > was sooo faded as well. I couldn't even dance > straight. But that night at killa was sooooo fun. > Time went by so quickly. that was funny. haha :-P > > ~~Tami :-) > > > > --- DJ Proxy wrote: > > hahahahaha! touché. > > > > I think you have it all wrong. You see...I was so > > drunk on Wednesday, I > > don't think I could have formed a sentence with that > > many syllables! > > > > I'm think that I shouldn't drink that much on > > Wednesday nights anymore! LOL > > > > -proxy > > killasubz / urban assault > > > > http://www.killasubz.com > > http://www.urbanassault.org > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "veanne" > > To: ; > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:54 PM > > Subject: speaking of which.. Re: [sfraves] NSYNC > > LINKED TO ALL NIGHT > > RAVEPARTIES > > > > > > > > speaking of sluts.. > > i heard about your little escapade at the cactus > > club tonight.. > > > > "hi i'm a dj.. wanna fck?" > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > From: DJ Proxy > > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:48:38 -0700 > > > To: veanne , > > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT > > RAVE PARTIES > > > > > > Slut. > > > > > > -proxy > > > > > > on 7/24/01 12:58 AM, veanne at > > indochine@earthlink.net wrote: > > > > > >> omg! i met this guy at cf friday night who gave > > me his pacifier and like > > we > > >> started making out during drenalin's set and like > > he told me his name was > > JC > > >> and i was like, 'whoah you look like that one > > dude from NSYNC.." he > > smiled > > >> and we like took off behind the rocks and got > > nekkid to some tekno.. > > >> > > >> now it all makes sense..... > > >> > > >>>> From: "innocentchild " > > > > >>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > >>>> Subject: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT > > RAVE PARTIES > > >>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27 +0000 > > >>>> > > >>>>> NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> July 21, 2001 (San Francisco, CA) - Officials > > have discovered links > > >>>>> between the notorious San Francisco > > underground rave scene and the > > >>>>> popular Pop group NSync. NSync, a popular > > 'boy-band' is currently > > >>>>> touring the nation playing to sold out stadium > > crowds. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Bay Area officials were tipped off to an all > > night underground 'rave' > > >>>>> party taking place on Friday night. This all > > night 'rave' party, > > >>>>> rife with drugs and sex, was taking place at a > > local beach. When > > >>>>> police arrived to break up the party, two > > members of NSync were > > >>>>> detained and arrested for possession of common > > drug paraphenalia - > > >>>>> glow sticks and water bottles. The two > > members of the band, Joshua > > >>>>> Chasez and Christopher Kirkpatrick (known as > > JC and Chris in the > > >>>>> band), were held overnight until released on > > bail in the morning. > > >>>>> The band's manager Jonny Wright was contacted > > but had no comment on > > >>>>> the incident's of the previous night. NSync > > were in the Bay Area for > > >>>>> two sold out concerts at the Network > > Associates Coliseum in Oakland > > >>>>> on Saturday and Sunday nights. Several other > > youths were cited for > > >>>>> possession of glow sticks, which they were > > seen throwing up into the > > >>>>> air at the party. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Police nationwide have been growing more > > suspicious of links to the > > >>>>> 'rave' scene with other popular Pop artists - > > like Britney Spears. > > >>>>> It's not uncommon to see young teenagers at > > these large stadium > > >>>>> concerts sporting the same drug paraphenalia > > as found at these > > >>>>> underground raves," said officer John Bates, > > an Atlanta Police > > >>>>> Lieutenant. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> A 17-year-old Millbrae native, Veronica, was > > at the all night rave > > >>>>> party and has tickets to tonight's show at the > > Coliseum. "The cops > > >>>>> are just out of it," she said. "NSync and the > > other boy bands have > > >>>>> been showing influences from electronic music > > for years now. I > > >>>>> almost died when I saw JC at the Cloud Factory > > party this weekend - > > >>>>> it was a like dream come true." > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The Department of Justice has recently warned > > city officials across > > >>>>> the nation to keep a close watch on any type > > of entertainment which > > >>>>> may encourage the use of such dangerous items > > as candy bracelets, > > >>>>> glow sticks and baby pacifiers. DOJ spokesman > > Doug Johnson said, > > >>>>> "These kids are putting their lives in danger > > every weekend. Parents > > >>>>> should be concerned when they see their > > children coming home with > > >>>>> bottled water or baby pacifiers. These items > > are starting to show up > > >>>>> everywhere - we found kids with glow sticks at > > the last Backstreet > > >>>>> Boys concert." > > > > > > > > - > > : contact - > > aim : mylai > > email - swervin@mylai.com > > homepage : www.mylai.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > ===== > Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* > ~~Tami :-) > (408) 821-6012 > ___________________________________________________________ > Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio > ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69893-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 23:44:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36897 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 23:44:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 36887 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 23:44:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727234338.28489.qmail@web4402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Karma-Catt To: sfraves@hyperreal.org, drkstar927@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-27695045-996277418=:27780" X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] RE: I'm alive too... barely (Ascension review) --0-27695045-996277418=:27780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay, yea... I was pretty damn drunk... I didn't think I was too drunk though cuz all I had was, a red-bull and vodka, 2 Seirra Nevadas, a beer that Katie (other katie) gave me, and half an Anchor steem .. okay it sounds like a bit more when i list it like that... but this is also over the span of 5 hours... really though I didn't realize how wasted I was til this morning when I started getting sick at work... and, opps, well another small hint was hitting a couple of the construction cone thingys on the way to taking Osby home.. lol.. BUT... did I really say that? I remember you guys talking about it, but at that time I was just amazed that Jon had blue eyes.. ;o) ..I'm such a dork! Why did you take pictures? I remember that too.. lol.. I'm gonna have to go into hiding once those get posted! Love to love to love ya, Catt *meow* PS... michael.. you're just too funny baby! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:12:01 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.org From: "Audra Olazabal" Subject: I'm alive too... barely (Ascension review) Message-ID: 3. and then there were karma-catt and jon (fuckwork)...who were both MIGHTY plastered...at the end, they stood there, holding each other up (which didn't work very well) and jon started getting reminiscent about the fact that we've known each other since 7th grade and how i used to mark him present when he'd cut school after lunch and how i'd get him in trouble in history class for yelling '4 minutes' and catt just kept swaying and saying 'isn't she sweet?, that's so sweet of her, she's cool'....it was anarchy... So anyway...long post...i'm rambling. But it was great to see so many of you out and about last night...good times, good times... *audra* --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-27695045-996277418=:27780-- From sfraves-return-69894-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Jul 27 23:57:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51706 invoked by uid 1104); 27 Jul 2001 23:57:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 51696 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 23:57:53 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Osby To: The_List , "protocol 7" Reply-To: osby@ratkoonrat.net X-Originating-Ip: [198.144.204.29] Message-Id: <20010727235721.89DB22744@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] HELLO 2DAY>>>>>ASCENSION Yeah, OK, Ummmm, Ascension was Fuckin' Awesome last night!!! Oh My Gosh man, Sooooo much Fun!! Hello 2Day! Got there early & like jus' kicked it!!! Then the some Pleasanton/ Dublin crew show up & I was kickin' it w/ Tammy & Jeff!! Totally shocked to see G Funk Jeff in the house 'cause he kept sayin' all Day he couldn't go!Miki & J show up next & started hangin' w/ then. All along, was kickin' it w/ Aryck, Lyds, Becca, Audra, Marianna, & the ACME crew=) So it was realy nice! Dope bonding w/ Lyds! Oh yeah, Decorations Rocked! Alota white bathing suit stretchy stuff & light! =D Slowly the house was gettin' packed! Mighty Mouse & Alkeline were pumpin'out The House on the decks & I was down in the bassment dancin' a few times then goin' outside & chillin'! LOL Nat & Lil' Bro Aaron show up! Yay! I mean, the vibe was gettin' hela hype & more people were totally showin' up! Veronica, Kristle, Mega, Alida (was I roling when I said that?), TINA (Oh My Gosh, Tina showed up), Oh yeah Boomerang Fidget & DeepFog seemed to like be walking up & down Telegraph for 2 hours until they finally came in, Jon V, Doug, Oh My gosh, Finally Met Dreg, Hello 2Day, Karma Katt, Karina, Jeff, Erik, Red Stick Man Mikey was there too (I swear man, we totally had this face making war & he kept playing w/ my Nippies...LoL)! Oh Yeah, Mel came up from LA to be with us, Her Family, & kicked it! Serioulsly, there was a who's who in SFR @ Ascension which was pretty sick!!! LoL It was kinda sad 'cause well, Aryck left early like around 9:30-9:45 I think & the more people came, the more hella people asked me, "Hey Oz, is Aryck here?" I'm like, "Yeah, he was, but kinna left a while ago!" 'cause Homeboy is Hella busy- this I know! Hey y'all, if ya wanna catch people, come early=) Oh yeah, Toooooootally missed Ryan there=( I also honestly felt guilty for not being able to chill w/ everyone=( Oh Well! There was a point where I did go outside for a while & kept running into people who I haven't seen for days! LOL... I totally ran into some friends who I used to work @ the Berkeley Repatory Theater w/ so it was kinda like a reunion...LOL! But when I went back downstairs, there were hella people all of a sudden!! Wow! Totally Groovy! Oh, Veronica & I were gonna go on another Mission, but there was jus' too many people! I think I got a Dope as Photo cam shot of Alida when we were dancing. Tina was HAPPY 'cause I kinda helped her get drinks from the bar 'cause my friends Jim & Matt were tending! LOL Oh My Gosh man, Dreg is So Fuckin' CooL man!!! We hung out most the night there & I Like Homeboy; totally Dope Energy!!! I told him a lil' gossip about an Ascesion reg or 2 which was kinda fun! LoL Thank U Doug! So yeah, Jeno came up on the decks & I swear man, so Awesome! He played Strait up HOUSE music the whole time! He went from Deep to Disco to Tribal to Vocal & it was jus' Fuckin' Sick man!! I swear, everyone was havin' the best time on the Floor!! I mean, it's trippy 'cause I do see Jeno spin like @ the Clubs & it wasn't really all I guess. But man, the energy when he spun was so Awesome! I was happy to 'cause there were a few songs that had breakbeat breaks in the iddle of them. There was also this one House song that he played that totally stopped in the middle, no music, them started pumpin' out this Electro House or sometihng that got the Crowd totally Wild! I mean, Honestly, it was refreshing to have that Raver Vibe when Jeno spun & that's something I don't see in the clubs! Also there were alota under 21ers there who Love Jeno, but don't get 2 C him spin @ the 21 & uppers clubs! So it was pretty Groovy man! There were also the Ascension Regs who were there & it was just totally Crazy Cool man! Very Successful night for Ascension I think! Oh yeah, usually the floor starts clearing out & I get more room 2 dance again like towards the end, yaknow. But the floor was mondo packed 'til the last song!! OK, I'm not sure about this, but I could swear that the last track Jeno played was this Garage track (I think it was Garage) & that was a Dope song to wrap up his set! It kinda pis me of that Max kept yelling on the mike "...Make some noise for the one, the only Superstar DJ....Jeno!" 'cause that got annoying like totally hearing that after every couple songs! Hello 2Day, but whatever, it was still Fun! Oh yeah, & 4 the 1st time in hella long, I took pixes w/ my cam!!! I am in Serious afterglow from last night!! I can't stop smiling & rightnow, everyone on IM chat is telling me all this stuff about last night!! Hello 2Day! Next week is Psychotica & Ratkoonrat & Blakes & no disloyalty to ACME or nothing, but I seriously gotta check that out!! I mean, I was there when Ratkoonrat formed, I was there when Ratkoonrat DJs started learning how 2 spin (DJ Dos, Red Eye J, etc.) & I totally gotta check them fools out!!! Hopefully they'll play some HappyHardcore ;cause I know that's what they started on ('cause I was there) LOL! Anywaze, I may check out Sister SF night @ Missioin Rock tonight & I may go to Seraphim's birthday @ that San Leandro venue on Sat if things ain't poppin' in the Underground Sat night (Hello 2Day.....ahem...LOL) Have a Bad Ass weekend all! == Later {8O) Pe@ce-->Just Me-->O§BY _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free email from www.RATKOONRAT.net...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69895-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 00:05:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56979 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 00:05:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 56969 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 00:05:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [128.12.82.249] From: "Mike Stat" To: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:04:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2001 00:04:45.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8EB74D0:01C116F8] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] Access/Stimulation? What is up with Access and Stimulation? They are both advertised on sfraves.org, but I called both infolines and there is nothing there. What gives? ~Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69896-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 00:06:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58318 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 00:06:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 58301 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 00:06:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:05:32 -0700 From: Feel Good To: SFRaves , Sac Raves List Reply-to: comments@globalparty.com Message-id: <3B6201CC.D4DC4C5B@globalparty.com> Organization: Feel Good Entertainment MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ 6 - Frequently Asked Questions & Answers. "When?" Labor Day Weekend -Sept. 1st, For the 6th Year in a Row. "Why?" To Showcase The Bay Area Culture to the rest of the world. To Celebrate the 8 year anniversary of the most comprehensive and consistent info line source... The BUZZ-LINE To Raise Money so We can Bring Back Home Base. To Support an oldschool tradition, and keep the vibe alive. Because it's Megga-Buzz... The granddaddy of all Massives. "Where?" In a Guaranteed, Permitted, & Contracted Bay Area Venue. "How Much are Presales?" The "Greed Free" Price starts at $20, then $25. "When will Tickets go on sale?" Friday, August 3rd! "Where's the flyer?" We don't put out a flyer or announce a line-up UNTIL everything is 100% secured. Now that it is... you should expect to see a flyer in about a week... with the venue location and complete line-up on it. "Whose Spinning & How many rooms?" At least 3 rooms, maybe more, with like 30 dj's & live PA's. "What about the production?" Quality all around... our reputation of producing THE MOST EVENTS EVER in Northern California Speaks for itself.... after all... No body has been doing this longer then Feel Good... and there is NO Substitute for Experience. Want more info: http://www.globalparty.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69897-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 00:17:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64454 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 00:17:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 64444 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 00:17:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20010728001715.95081.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tami Iida Reply-To: LiLTaiida22@yahoo.com To: LAGISTRATE , LiLTaiida22@yahoo.com, DJ Proxy , veanne , sfraves@hyperreal.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: speaking of which.. Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVEPARTIES Gotta Love hugz!!! I don't just randomly give hugs though. I just love to. ~Tami :-) --- LAGISTRATE wrote: > Tami stagering down 1st street talking to strangers > and trying to give them > all hugz was just the funniest thing ive seen at > killa subs since well... > yah when i took my friend adam and he was trying to > pick up on lesbians > because he thinks there repressed (I havnt taken him > again) but jeezus that > poor flower lady she was just the right hight for > huggin. > > Dancin for SMILES =) > Cliff > > PS oh and we cant forget about Peechy bringing the > lazy ass cops to help the > homeless guy. I sware they didnt want to get out > there fuckin car. GRRRRRRR > protect and serv my ass. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tami Iida" > To: "DJ Proxy" ; "veanne" > ; > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [sfraves] Re: speaking of which.. Re: > [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO > ALL NIGHT RAVEPARTIES > > > > Yeah, Proxy!! I heard about what you did too. and > i > > was sooo faded as well. I couldn't even dance > > straight. But that night at killa was sooooo fun. > > Time went by so quickly. that was funny. haha > :-P > > > > ~~Tami :-) > > > > > > > > --- DJ Proxy wrote: > > > hahahahaha! touché. > > > > > > I think you have it all wrong. You see...I was > so > > > drunk on Wednesday, I > > > don't think I could have formed a sentence with > that > > > many syllables! > > > > > > I'm think that I shouldn't drink that much on > > > Wednesday nights anymore! LOL > > > > > > -proxy > > > killasubz / urban assault > > > > > > http://www.killasubz.com > > > http://www.urbanassault.org > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "veanne" > > > To: ; > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:54 PM > > > Subject: speaking of which.. Re: [sfraves] NSYNC > > > LINKED TO ALL NIGHT > > > RAVEPARTIES > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking of sluts.. > > > i heard about your little escapade at the cactus > > > club tonight.. > > > > > > "hi i'm a dj.. wanna fck?" > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: DJ Proxy > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:48:38 -0700 > > > > To: veanne , > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL > NIGHT > > > RAVE PARTIES > > > > > > > > Slut. > > > > > > > > -proxy > > > > > > > > on 7/24/01 12:58 AM, veanne at > > > indochine@earthlink.net wrote: > > > > > > > >> omg! i met this guy at cf friday night who > gave > > > me his pacifier and like > > > we > > > >> started making out during drenalin's set and > like > > > he told me his name was > > > JC > > > >> and i was like, 'whoah you look like that one > > > dude from NSYNC.." he > > > smiled > > > >> and we like took off behind the rocks and got > > > nekkid to some tekno.. > > > >> > > > >> now it all makes sense..... > > > >> > > > >>>> From: "innocentchild " > > > > > > >>>> To: sfraves@hyperreal.org > > > >>>> Subject: [sfraves] NSYNC LINKED TO ALL > NIGHT > > > RAVE PARTIES > > > >>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:27:27 +0000 > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> NSYNC LINKED TO ALL NIGHT RAVE PARTIES - > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> July 21, 2001 (San Francisco, CA) - > Officials > > > have discovered links > > > >>>>> between the notorious San Francisco > > > underground rave scene and the > > > >>>>> popular Pop group NSync. NSync, a popular > > > 'boy-band' is currently > > > >>>>> touring the nation playing to sold out > stadium > > > crowds. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Bay Area officials were tipped off to an > all > > > night underground 'rave' > > > >>>>> party taking place on Friday night. This > all > > > night 'rave' party, > > > >>>>> rife with drugs and sex, was taking place > at a > > > local beach. When > > > >>>>> police arrived to break up the party, two > > > members of NSync were > > > >>>>> detained and arrested for possession of > common > > > drug paraphenalia - > > > >>>>> glow sticks and water bottles. The two > > > members of the band, Joshua > > > >>>>> Chasez and Christopher Kirkpatrick (known > as > > > JC and Chris in the > > > >>>>> band), were held overnight until released > on > > > bail in the morning. > > > >>>>> The band's manager Jonny Wright was > contacted > > > but had no comment on > > > >>>>> the incident's of the previous night. > NSync > > > were in the Bay Area for > > > >>>>> two sold out concerts at the Network > > > Associates Coliseum in Oakland > > > >>>>> on Saturday and Sunday nights. Several > other > > > youths were cited for > > > >>>>> possession of glow sticks, which they were > > > seen throwing up into the > > > >>>>> air at the party. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Police nationwide have been growing more > > > suspicious of links to the > > > >>>>> 'rave' scene with other popular Pop > artists - > > > like Britney Spears. > > > >>>>> It's not uncommon to see young teenagers > at > > > these large stadium > > > >>>>> concerts sporting the same drug > paraphenalia > > > as found at these > > > >>>>> underground raves," said officer John > Bates, > > > an Atlanta Police > > > >>>>> Lieutenant. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> A 17-year-old Millbrae native, Veronica, > was > > > at the all night rave > > > >>>>> party and has tickets to tonight's show at > the > > > Coliseum. "The cops > > > >>>>> are just out of it," she said. "NSync and > the > > > other boy bands have > > > >>>>> been showing influences from electronic > music > > > for years now. I > > > >>>>> almost died when I saw JC at the Cloud > Factory > > > party this weekend - > > > >>>>> it was a like dream come true." > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The Department of Justice has recently > warned > > > city officials across > > > >>>>> the nation to keep a close watch on any > type > > > of entertainment which > > > >>>>> may encourage the use of such dangerous > items > > > as candy bracelets, > > > >>>>> glow sticks and baby pacifiers. DOJ > spokesman > > > Doug Johnson said, > > > >>>>> "These kids are putting their lives in > danger > > > every weekend. Parents > > > >>>>> should be concerned when they see their > > > children coming home with > > > >>>>> bottled water or baby pacifiers. These > items > > > are starting to show up > > > >>>>> everywhere - we found kids with glow > sticks at > > > the last Backstreet > > > >>>>> Boys concert." > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > : contact - > > > aim : mylai > > > email - swervin@mylai.com > > > homepage : www.mylai.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* > > ~~Tami :-) > > (408) 821-6012 > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Listen to the best college radio station over the > air and on the net > 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio > > ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW > PROGRAM GUIDE** > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > ===== Luv ya lots! *hugz* MU@H* ~~Tami :-) (408) 821-6012 ___________________________________________________________ Listen to the best college radio station over the air and on the net 90.5fm KSJS Ground Zero Radio ---> http://www.ksjs.org **CHECK OUT THE NEW PROGRAM GUIDE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69898-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 00:27:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72963 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 00:27:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 72950 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 00:27:52 -0000 Message-ID: <02db01c1238e$1ad0bc20$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "xs" , "SF Raves" References: <20010727151249.A18423@undef.net> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:22:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] nrr: phoenix theater get off 101 in petaluma at the washington street exit, like go west. .. keep going str8 past most of the lil stores, over some tracks, then you'll start going up this hill, and it'll be on your left side on the corner like in a block or 2 after the hill starts (it looks like an old movie theatre) it's maybe like 1.5-2 miles off the fwy. : ) aryck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69899-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 00:29:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75044 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 00:29:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 75033 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 00:29:53 -0000 Message-ID: <02f701c1238e$62df15c0$1ee5fea9@simmee> From: ".aryck." To: "vix" , References: Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:24:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] real audio help I'm no genious here but. . . if someone saved it originally as a .ram file, like when they uploaded it. . . then it's pretty much all designed as a .ram file, and if you just changed the extension it probably wouldn't work normally (or windows wouldn't recognize the ext) the main point of the "save target as" feature is to save it where you want it to be saved, not really to change the format of the file. Like windows media player and realplayer both play like, most all formats of music. .rm is usualy like realmedia, with wideo and such. . .ra is like real audio, I would guess like .ram is real audio/media or something like that. If you got something like maybe soundforge or whatever, you could probably open your file and export it as another. . . you could prolly find soundforge (like a trial version : ) ) on like www.easywarez.com or somewhere near there. . . aK --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69900-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 00:34:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77278 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 00:34:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 77260 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 00:34:18 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.171.177.79] From: "Cheese" To: Cc: References: <3B6201CC.D4DC4C5B@globalparty.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:33:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2001 00:33:19.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[E60F3310:01C116FC] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ 6 - Frequently Asked Questions & Answers. I have one major question... Will there be Hardcore (The Happy Kind)? Timothy **Cheese** itswidow@hotmail.com http://www.BayAreaRavers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Feel Good" To: "SFRaves" ; "Sac Raves List" Sent: July 27, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ 6 - Frequently Asked Questions & Answers. > "When?" Labor Day Weekend -Sept. 1st, For the 6th Year in a Row. > > "Why?" To Showcase The Bay Area Culture to the rest of the world. > To Celebrate the 8 year anniversary of the most > comprehensive > and consistent info line source... The BUZZ-LINE > To Raise Money so We can Bring Back Home Base. > To Support an oldschool tradition, and keep the vibe > alive. > Because it's Megga-Buzz... The granddaddy of all > Massives. > > "Where?" In a Guaranteed, Permitted, & Contracted Bay Area Venue. > > "How Much are Presales?" The "Greed Free" Price starts at $20, then > $25. > > "When will Tickets go on sale?" Friday, August 3rd! > > "Where's the flyer?" We don't put out a flyer or announce a line-up > UNTIL everything is 100% secured. Now that it is... you should expect > to see a flyer in about a week... with the venue location and complete > line-up on it. > > "Whose Spinning & How many rooms?" At least 3 rooms, maybe more, > with like 30 dj's & live PA's. > > "What about the production?" Quality all around... our reputation of > producing THE MOST EVENTS EVER in Northern California Speaks for > itself.... after all... No body has been doing this longer then Feel > Good... and there is NO Substitute for Experience. > > Want more info: http://www.globalparty.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69901-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 00:40:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83203 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 00:40:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 83190 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 00:40:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:39:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahsh Reply-To: Jahsh To: comments@globalparty.com cc: SFRaves In-Reply-To: <3B6201CC.D4DC4C5B@globalparty.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] MEGGA-BUZZ 6 - Frequently Asked Questions & Answers. > "Whose Spinning & How many rooms?" At least 3 rooms, maybe more, > with like 30 dj's & live PA's. Will there be any County, (the depressing kind)? jahsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69902-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 00:59:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97147 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 00:59:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 97137 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 00:59:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20010728005900.10707.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: kimba Reply-To: kimba@twinphish.net To: sfraves@hyperreal.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] hardkore scene?? hey soo.. I have to admit that I really haven't looked all that hard, but am I crazy or is there a total lack of a hardkore scene here in the Bay Area.. I know there is some Happy Hardcore.. which is cool.. no disrespect.. but I'm not really lookin for that.. Just curious.. anyone know of any djs, nites.. undergrounds where people play hardkore?? thanks.. kimba __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69903-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 01:57:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26343 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 01:57:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 26333 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 01:57:04 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.54.129.10] From: "... ! ..." To: hakthedj@hotmail.com, sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:56:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2001 01:56:01.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[74184790:01C11708] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] wanna smoke some illy? And with that, gentle readers... the lights dim here in Philadelphia. Best to you and yours. I remain, Qubit Quark >From: hakthedj >To: suffer >Subject: [sfraves] wanna smoke some illy? >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:48:32 -0700 > > >Embalmed Cigarettes Gain Popularity > >By JOANN LOVIGLIO, Associated Press Writer > >PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Embalming fluid is becoming an increasingly popular >drug >for users looking for a new and different high - one that often comes with >violent and psychotic side effects. > >Users - mainly teen-agers and people in their 20s - are buying tobacco or >marijuana cigarettes that have been soaked in the fluid, then dried. They >cost about $20 apiece and are called by nearly a dozen names nationwide, >including ``wet,'' ``fry'' and ``illy.'' > >``The idea of embalming fluid appeals to people's morbid curiosity about >death,'' said Dr. Julie Holland of New York University School of Medicine. >``There's a certain gothic appeal to it.'' > >Formaldehyde can be bought in drug stores and beauty supply stores. (It is >an ingredient in nail care products). It is also available in many school >science labs. In addition, there have been reports of embalming fluid >thefts >from funeral homes in Louisiana and New York. > >Although there are no national statistics on usage, many drug experts say >it >appears to have spread from the inner cities to well-to-do suburban >neighborhoods and college campuses. > >``Whether they live in a million-dollar house or a $5,000 house, kids who >are smoking pot or crack and are looking for a different type of high are >turning to wet,'' said Julie Kirlin, a juvenile probation officer in >Reading, about 50 miles from Philadelphia. > >Embalming fluid is a compound of formaldehyde, methanol, ethanol and other >solvents. The high depends on what the user is really getting: Often the >drug PCP is mixed in. In fact, PCP has gone by the street name ``embalming >fluid'' since the 1970s. > >Twenty Houston-area users interviewed for a 1998 study by the Texas >Commission on Drug Abuse said the effects include visual and auditory >hallucinations, euphoria, a feeling of invincibility, increased pain >tolerance, anger, forgetfulness and paranoia. Stranger symptoms reported >include an overwhelming desire to disrobe and a strong distaste for meat. > >Other symptoms may include coma, seizures, kidney failure and stroke. The >high lasts from six hours to three days. > >``Fry users are described like those who do a lot of inhalants - they're >just spaced-out, dissociative,'' said Jane Maxwell of the National >Institute >on Drug Abuse's Community Epidemiology Work Group. When they've taken PCP, >``they come into the emergency room and are just wild. They have to be >strapped down in their beds or they destroy the room.'' > >In the Philadelphia suburb of Doylestown, a 14-year-old boy fatally stabbed >a 33-year-old neighbor more than 70 times last year after smoking wet. The >boy, who said he took wet to quiet the voices in his head, is serving a >seven-year sentence. > >``This is a violent drug, and it will turn into a big fire if it's not >watched very closely,'' Kirlin said. > >- > >On the Net: > >Texas study: http://www.tcada.state.tx.us/research/fry.html >-- >homer : son, do you need any advice from your dad? >bart : nope. i've learned to substitute father figures from wherever i >need them; construction workers, the internet.......... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69904-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 02:10:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33279 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 02:10:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 33269 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 02:10:16 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.164.135.38] From: "scooter ." To: djhbomb999@hotmail.com, djstevian@yahoo.com, drkstar927@hotmail.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:09:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2001 02:09:09.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[49B205C0:01C1170A] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apollo leaving the list... sweet good to hear such an inspirational person is not leaving a scene which needs him badly. scooter aka jason >From: "DJ Howlin' Bob" >To: djstevian@yahoo.com, drkstar927@hotmail.com >CC: sfraves@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [sfraves] Apollo leaving the list... >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:07:34 -0700 > >though it's neither my place nor my intention to speak for Apollo--who is >more that capable of speaking for himself--it should be noted that what >Apollo actually said in his message of last night was: > >"For the first time since I signed on the list again I have seriously >thought about leaving it...All I really want is to show lots of people new >to the scene what raving can really be. If sfraves is no longer the place >to do that, well, I'll move on." > >"thought about," not "am leaving." and hopefully, won't. but the reports >of Apollo's departure are, thankfully, exaggerated. > >--hb > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org From sfraves-return-69905-sfraves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Jul 28 02:29:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sfraves-archive@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42165 invoked by uid 1104); 28 Jul 2001 02:29:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact sfraves-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list sfraves@hyperreal.org Received: (qmail 42155 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 02:29:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:20:50 -0700 From: xs To: SF Raves Message-ID: <20010727192050.A26006@undef.net> Mail-Followup-To: SF Raves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [sfraves] crystal method, wheres xs? i'm wearing my us-jungle shirt, find me! -xs -- DJ++ (dj++@restlessradio.com) * http://www.restlessradio.com Restless Radio - Live Electronic Music, Shows and Events 24/7/365.4 DJs WANTED! EMAIL: spin@restlessradio.com "Buy the Ticket, Take the Ride." -Dr. H.S.T --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: sfraves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: sfraves-help@hyperreal.org